From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 05:24:08 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? In-Reply-To: <002901c69af6$dd1549b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <20060702122408.55958.qmail@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Or is everybody just too busy to sit down at the puter? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-66372025-1151843048=:52356 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Or is everybody just too busy to sit down at the puter?
 
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 2 05:56:59 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:56:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <492.46018fd.31d91c9b@aol.com> Alan, I think it is the combination of 4th holiday and many shows and other stuff going on across the country this weekend. Went to Southeast Old Threshers Reunion at Denton, NC for the day on Friday (3 hr ride) and had a great time looking at all the engines and seeing a number of folks. Also sold an engine. That show now charges $12 entrance, so I carry an engine to display, but have also been putting a for sale sign too. Have a nice day! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jul 2 16:05:19 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:05:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? Message-ID: <000e01c69e2b$feacaef0$6400a8c0@home> Just got this yesterday from a friend , I think it's a Standard but not 100% sure , It has no tags ,names or numbers on it , It starts up on one pull and purrs like a kitten , however It does not have any way to oil the rod and main bearings so I think it runs on a gas oik mix like a two cycle so I mixed up a 32to1 gas mix , It does have a oiler on the cyilnder but I don't think it oils the crank , you can see the Pics Here http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551892719 Life is Goood ! Rex Hinz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 2 16:58:25 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:58:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <20060702.200521.1032.9.jlb94@juno.com> I'm painting the house - So - I guess I'm pretty busy. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A wallet is a device that permits you to lose (_o_) all your valuables at the same time." From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Jul 2 17:57:55 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:57:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <329.7066d0e.31d9c593@aol.com> Pip, The List is still up, I guess everyone is just out doing something else. See'ya, Bill Miller -------------------------------1151888275 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pip,
 
The List is still up, I guess everyone is just out doing something=20 else.
 
See'ya, Bill Miller 
From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jul 2 18:34:37 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:34:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? Message-ID: <580241584.1151890477960.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> ---- Rex Hinz wrote: > Just got this yesterday from a friend , I think it's a Standard but not 100% sure , It has no tags ,names or numbers on it , It starts up on one pull and purrs like a kitten , however It does not have any way to oil the rod and main bearings so I think it runs on a gas oik mix like a two cycle so I mixed up a 32to1 gas mix , It does have a oiler on the cyilnder but I don't think it oils the crank , you can see the Pics Here > Rex, this is a 4 cycle, fuel is going through the valve to the cylinder, no way will it oil the crank and rod. J.B. Castagnos Belle ROse, LA From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jul 2 18:40:07 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <789179052.1151890807139.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> ---- "Joseph L. Betz" wrote: > I'm painting the house - So - I guess I'm pretty busy. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Just finished painting my house Joe. Got an estimate, $4300 to paint the trim on a brick house. My wife asked if I wanted to get another estimate, I told her no, I'll paint it myself and save $4300. If we had a $ 2500 estimate I could only save $2500. This gives me a lot more engine mbney. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jul 2 19:07:07 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:07:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? References: <580241584.1151890477960.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <000601c69e45$643cdc40$6400a8c0@home> Right you are JB , I wasn't tinking , So I guess the oiler has to take care of lube for the crank , Thanks for the reply , Jb You Wrote ; > Rex, this is a 4 cycle, fuel is going through the valve to the cylinder, > no way will it oil the crank and rod. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle ROse, LA > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 2 19:57:57 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:57:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? References: <789179052.1151890807139.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <002e01c69e4d$09dbd4b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I like that sort of logic!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Just finished painting my house Joe. Got an estimate, $4300 to paint the > trim on a brick house. My wife asked if I wanted to get another estimate, > I told her no, I'll paint it myself and save $4300. If we had a $ 2500 > estimate I could only save $2500. This gives me a lot more engine mbney. > J.B. Castagnos From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 2 20:01:01 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:01:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? References: <580241584.1151890477960.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <000601c69e45$643cdc40$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <002f01c69e4d$0a2f4be0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Something is working right if it lasted this long. On the vertical models I have made, the oil collects in the bottom and oils that area. (Prior to exiting anywhere it can!) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? > Right you are JB , I wasn't tinking , So I guess the oiler has to take > care of lube for the crank , Thanks for the reply , > > Jb You Wrote ; >> Rex, this is a 4 cycle, fuel is going through the valve to the cylinder, >> no way will it oil the crank and rod. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle ROse, LA >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 04:39:14 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:39:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? In-Reply-To: <329.7066d0e.31d9c593@aol.com> References: <329.7066d0e.31d9c593@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060703073800.036e2ec0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:57 PM 7/2/2006, you wrote: >Pip, > >The List is still up, I guess everyone is just out doing something else. > >See'ya, Bill Miller Don't believe him Joe, I didn't get either your first post nor Bill's. Clearly the List id down! Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 07:11:40 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, I realize that this is about a tractor, but this particular tractor is the reason that I'm involved with old iron in the first place. Last Tuesday, my grandfather's 1948 SC Case tractor made the trailer ride from Texas to our new barn (at the new place that we're building) here in Kentucky. As a side note, when I was growing up we still used this tractor as a working tractor and it was my job to keep it running. There was born my love of old iron. Anyway, although we did a complete rebuild on the engine probably 25 years ago, the tractor hasn't run but maybe once in the 12 years that we've been in Kentucky. Late last week I pulled the gas tank and carburetor and this weekend Lincoln and his buddy put a scoop of gravel in the tank, tied it on to the wheel of our Farmall A (that we use for mowing) and drove it around to scrub out the crud that had built up in the tank. Meanwhile, I pulled the carburetor apart and cleaned it out. Yesterday we put it all back together, replaced the gas line and plugs, sanded off the points, changed the oil, put a new battery in and finally put water and gas in it. After just a few turns over compression it was purring like a kitten :-)! We all had fun driving it around before we put it away it its new home. Ah, life is GREAT! We'll have to pull the radiator for some repairs but then it will be ready to assume its job of mowing the pasture. See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 07:44:37 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:44:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). Message-ID: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> From time to time the subject of cleaning cast ron fuel tanks that are built into engine bases comes up. I've been working on this Alamo engine that has a tank cast into the base. Once I got the base turned over and the 3" bungs out of the bottom it was a mess inside. This engine had had lots of water in it as the first thing I did was to vacuum at least 5 pounds of rust dust out of it! As you can imagine there was still huge amounts of rust flakes remaining and it would be an impossible job to get your arm in a 3" opening and wire brush the flakes loose. Even then the results would have been marginal. Sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. Some estimates on the scale thickness, the surface area in the tank, and the pounds of iron oxide to dissolve were made. Then a few calculation for the required amount of acid needed to dissolve that rust were made. Also a few experiments were run in the lab, with different concentration of sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid was chosen because it has a much lower vapor pressure that the other commonly available acid, hydrochloric / muriatic. (An important consideration if you want to breath anywhere near the tank being treated!) Based on the lab tests it looked like 15% (by volume) sulphuric acid would remove the rust. For ease of mixing I decided to make it 25%. Here at the plant we buy bulk 99% pure sulphuric acid so I brought home a 5 gallon pail at the whopping high price of 57 cents per gallon :-) Like I said, sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. The plan was to fill the tank about 3/4 full while upside down and run a batch of acid. Then turn the base right side up, fill again 3/4 full and run the second batch thru. This would hopefully get the entire inside clean. When working will 99% sulphuric there are some rules you have to follow as this is some dangerous stuff! A full body suit, coveralls, Tyvec or something to cover all the skin, long rubber gloves, safety glasses or even better a full face shield. Most important is ALWAY add the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point of mixing. If one were to add the water to the acid I suspect the water being added would instantly turn to steam flashing one with acid. The volume of my tank is 13 gallons. 9 gallon of water was added to the tank first. Then 3 gallons of the 99% sulphuric acid was poured in a bucket. For added good measure the correct quantity of Tri Ethyl Amine was added to act as a corrosion inhibitor in case all the acid was not washed clean after. But the results would have been the same with or without the TEA. The TEA has to be added to the acid as it is not soluble in water. Once the TEA was added the 3 gallons of acid was poured into the 9 gallons of water in the tank. I was pouring into the 3" bung opening in the bottom of the tank, and that was damned interesting (and scary) watching the violent reaction of the acid and water mixing. Just the dilution of the acid in the water instantly took the temperature up to about 140?F. As the reaction cooked and worked on the rust, additional heat continued to build. This is good, because heat makes reactions work better. Admittedly I was a little concerned about eating up the rust and then having the acid attack the good base metal. So I only let the reaction run for 1 hour. I drained the acid into about 50# of soda ash to neutralize it. This produces lots of carbon dioxide gas an is excellent entertainment as it bubbles and puffs. The tank was washed out very well to remove any traces of acid. Then a shop vac hose was stuck in the tank to blow a large volume of air in the tank to quickly dry it before rust could start again. Once it was all dry the results were pretty decent. I would say it was 90% flake free with no damage to the base metal. This told me that on the next batch I would run it for 2 hours instead of just the 1 hour. The next day I turned the base over and ran another 25% concentration. I filled the tank within a gallon of being full to clean the rest of what I did not get the day before. This time the results were much better. The inside of the tank has a dry rust color patina, but there are no flakes of rust left. All in all I am very pleased with the results. In summary it looks like 25% sulphuric acid can be added to a cast iron gas tank and reacted for about 2 hours (at 90?F outside temperature), emptied and washed out well, and the results should be a well cleaned fuel tank ready for service. Hope this is useful information. Has anyone else tried this method? What were your results? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 08:05:03 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:05:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> Mike, The preacher in our engine club is a die hard Case fan. In fact he'll tell you his blood runnith orange. Cecil's tractors are known to not run on occasion and now the joke in our club is that Case tractors don't run. Sort of like Maytags on this list. Cecil takes all the ribbing about his stationary tractors with good humor. Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds credence to the Cecil's experiences. Good luck with the Flambeau tractor, and of course congratulations. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Mike Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > I realize that this is about a tractor, but this particular tractor is > the reason that I'm involved with old iron in the first place. Last > Tuesday, my grandfather's 1948 SC Case tractor made the trailer ride > from Texas to our new barn (at the new place that we're building) here > in Kentucky. As a side note, when I was growing up we still used this > tractor as a working tractor and it was my job to keep it running. > There was born my love of old iron. Anyway, although we did a > complete rebuild on the engine probably 25 years ago, the tractor > hasn't run but maybe once in the 12 years that we've been in Kentucky. > > Late last week I pulled the gas tank and carburetor and this weekend > Lincoln and his buddy put a scoop of gravel in the tank, tied it on to > the wheel of our Farmall A (that we use for mowing) and drove it > around to scrub out the crud that had built up in the tank. Meanwhile, > I pulled the carburetor apart and cleaned it out. Yesterday we put it > all back together, replaced the gas line and plugs, sanded off the > points, changed the oil, put a new battery in and finally put water > and gas in it. After just a few turns over compression it was purring > like a kitten :-)! We all had fun driving it around before we put it > away it its new home. Ah, life is GREAT! We'll have to pull the > radiator for some repairs but then it will be ready to assume its job > of mowing the pasture. > > See ya', > Mike > > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 3 08:04:05 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:04:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200607031004283.SM03324@wrbpc> Thanks for a thoughtful and complete report on this. Better than my technique of half-assed cleaning out the tank and then coating with quick-poly to bond the rust and coat the insides. Although with a sheet metal tank this sure is a good way to seal up any little leaks. Will file for reference. B? Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:45 AM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). From time to time the subject of cleaning cast ron fuel tanks that are built into engine bases comes up. I've been working on this Alamo engine that has a tank cast into the base. Once I got the base turned over and the 3" bungs out of the bottom it was a mess inside. This engine had had lots of water in it as the first thing I did was to vacuum at least 5 pounds of rust dust out of it! As you can imagine there was still huge amounts of rust flakes remaining and it would be an impossible job to get your arm in a 3" opening and wire brush the flakes loose. Even then the results would have been marginal. Sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. Some estimates on the scale thickness, the surface area in the tank, and the pounds of iron oxide to dissolve were made. Then a few calculation for the required amount of acid needed to dissolve that rust were made. Also a few experiments were run in the lab, with different concentration of sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid was chosen because it has a much lower vapor pressure that the other commonly available acid, hydrochloric / muriatic. (An important consideration if you want to breath anywhere near the tank being treated!) Based on the lab tests it looked like 15% (by volume) sulphuric acid would remove the rust. For ease of mixing I decided to make it 25%. Here at the plant we buy bulk 99% pure sulphuric acid so I brought home a 5 gallon pail at the whopping high price of 57 cents per gallon :-) Like I said, sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. The plan was to fill the tank about 3/4 full while upside down and run a batch of acid. Then turn the base right side up, fill again 3/4 full and run the second batch thru. This would hopefully get the entire inside clean. When working will 99% sulphuric there are some rules you have to follow as this is some dangerous stuff! A full body suit, coveralls, Tyvec or something to cover all the skin, long rubber gloves, safety glasses or even better a full face shield. Most important is ALWAY add the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point of mixing. If one were to add the water to the acid I suspect the water being added would instantly turn to steam flashing one with acid. The volume of my tank is 13 gallons. 9 gallon of water was added to the tank first. Then 3 gallons of the 99% sulphuric acid was poured in a bucket. For added good measure the correct quantity of Tri Ethyl Amine was added to act as a corrosion inhibitor in case all the acid was not washed clean after. But the results would have been the same with or without the TEA. The TEA has to be added to the acid as it is not soluble in water. Once the TEA was added the 3 gallons of acid was poured into the 9 gallons of water in the tank. I was pouring into the 3" bung opening in the bottom of the tank, and that was damned interesting (and scary) watching the violent reaction of the acid and water mixing. Just the dilution of the acid in the water instantly took the temperature up to about 140?F. As the reaction cooked and worked on the rust, additional heat continued to build. This is good, because heat makes reactions work better. Admittedly I was a little concerned about eating up the rust and then having the acid attack the good base metal. So I only let the reaction run for 1 hour. I drained the acid into about 50# of soda ash to neutralize it. This produces lots of carbon dioxide gas an is excellent entertainment as it bubbles and puffs. The tank was washed out very well to remove any traces of acid. Then a shop vac hose was stuck in the tank to blow a large volume of air in the tank to quickly dry it before rust could start again. Once it was all dry the results were pretty decent. I would say it was 90% flake free with no damage to the base metal. This told me that on the next batch I would run it for 2 hours instead of just the 1 hour. The next day I turned the base over and ran another 25% concentration. I filled the tank within a gallon of being full to clean the rest of what I did not get the day before. This time the results were much better. The inside of the tank has a dry rust color patina, but there are no flakes of rust left. All in all I am very pleased with the results. In summary it looks like 25% sulphuric acid can be added to a cast iron gas tank and reacted for about 2 hours (at 90?F outside temperature), emptied and washed out well, and the results should be a well cleaned fuel tank ready for service. Hope this is useful information. Has anyone else tried this method? What were your results? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 08:26:42 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:26:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <200607031004283.SM03324@wrbpc> References: <200607031004283.SM03324@wrbpc> Message-ID: <44A93732.7040103@imc-group.com> Bill, I do the same as you do on small tin tanks. This Alamo base is 49" long and weighs a 1000# I'd guess. Sloshing the inside with KwikPoly would have taken Paul Bunyon! Curt Bill Brueck wrote: >Thanks for a thoughtful and complete report on this. > >Better than my technique of half-assed cleaning out the tank and then >coating with quick-poly to bond the rust and coat the insides. Although >with a sheet metal tank this sure is a good way to seal up any little leaks. > >Will file for reference. > >B? > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 08:33:37 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:33:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds >credence to the Cecil's experiences. Curt, Don't be dissin' my tractor :-)! The reason that it's only run once in the last 12 years has nothing to do with the tractor itself. I was the last one to use it as a working tractor and when I moved to the Bluegrass it was parked in a remote corner of the shed and wasn't touched. It's about the lowest maintenance tractor that I've encountered (new or old) and I've used it for 1000's of hours mowing, discing and making money pulling stuck 4X4's out of the nearby lake. So maybe it's Cecil's mechanic skills need ribbing not his Flambeau gems :-)! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 09:16:27 2006 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:16:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Palmer in the UK In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060629204126.0219a388@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hello,my email address is ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com I am on vacation at the moment,can only get to computer every other day. John Palmer >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Palmer in the UK >Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:45:21 +1000 > > >>G'day to our fine English folk! ............... :-) >Would any of you guys know of a Mr John Palmer? He often has classifieds in >the SEM but my past mags only shows his phone number. Would anyone know if >he an e-mail address? Any help would be great. >regards Russell > > > > > > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 10:22:56 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:22:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44A95270.9040503@imc-group.com> Mike, Susan and Lincoln are most appreciative of your new toy. You have opened up an endless opportunity for birthday and Christmas present ideas. Yes as long as you have a Case tractor there will alway be a need for tools, parts, manuals, etc. Ya know what Case stands for right? "_C_hrist!", _A_nother _S_urprise _E_xpense ;-) Curt P.S. Is driving 4x4's into lakes a Texas thing? Mike Tucker wrote: >> Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds >> credence to the Cecil's experiences. > > > Curt, > > Don't be dissin' my tractor :-)! The reason that it's only run once > in the last 12 years has nothing to do with the tractor itself. I was > the last one to use it as a working tractor and when I moved to the > Bluegrass it was parked in a remote corner of the shed and wasn't > touched. It's about the lowest maintenance tractor that I've > encountered (new or old) and I've used it for 1000's of hours mowing, > discing and making money pulling stuck 4X4's out of the nearby lake. > So maybe it's Cecil's mechanic skills need ribbing not his Flambeau > gems :-)! > > See ya', > Mike --------------020201070608050006090204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike,
Susan and Lincoln are most appreciative of your new toy. You have opened up an endless opportunity for birthday and Christmas present ideas. Yes as long as you have a Case tractor there will alway be a need for tools, parts, manuals, etc. Ya know what Case stands for right?
"Christ!",  Another Surprise Expense ;-)
Curt
P.S. Is driving 4x4's into lakes a Texas thing?

Mike Tucker wrote:
Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds credence to the Cecil's experiences.

Curt,

Don't be dissin' my tractor :-)!  The reason that it's only run once in the last 12 years has nothing to do with the tractor itself.  I was the last one to use it as a working tractor and when I moved to the Bluegrass it was parked in a remote corner of the shed and wasn't touched.  It's about the lowest maintenance tractor that I've encountered (new or old) and I've used it for 1000's of hours mowing, discing and making money pulling stuck 4X4's out of the nearby lake. So maybe it's Cecil's mechanic skills need ribbing not his Flambeau gems :-)!

See ya',
Mike

From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 10:59:24 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: <44A95270.9040503@imc-group.com> References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> <44A95270.9040503@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >P.S. Is driving 4x4's into lakes a Texas thing? Believe it or not, in Texas 4X4's are actually for driving off road rather than to the grocery store. And since it's Texas, the lakes often get low on water in the summer due to lack of rain which opens up new challenges for trying to get from one part of the lake bed to another. That, in turn opened up money making possibilities for yours truly when the 4X4 bottomed out in the mud! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jul 3 11:10:46 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:10:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200607031600.k63G06cd024752@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200607032014218.SM00524@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/07/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700 >From: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is the list down? > >---- "Joseph L. Betz" wrote: > > I'm painting the house - So - I guess I'm pretty busy. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >Just finished painting my house Joe. Got an estimate, $4300 to paint the >trim on a brick house. My wife asked if I wanted to get another estimate, >I told her no, I'll paint it myself and save $4300. If we had a $ 2500 >estimate I could only save $2500. This gives me a lot more engine mbney. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA ROTFLMAO Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jul 3 11:08:57 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:08:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200607031600.k63G06cd024752@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200607032014359.SM00524@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/07/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:05:19 -0500 >From: "Rex Hinz" >Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? > > Just got this yesterday from a friend , I think it's a Standard but > not 100% sure , It has no tags ,names or numbers on it , It starts up on > one pull and purrs like a kitten , however It does not have any way to > oil the rod and main bearings so I think it runs on a gas oik mix like a > two cycle so I mixed up a 32to1 gas mix , It does have a oiler on the > cyilnder but I don't think it oils the crank , you can see the Pics Here >http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551892719 > >Life is Goood ! >Rex Hinz Hi rex, Nice! Here is another one owned by a friend here in S.A. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 3 12:27:16 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:27:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). Message-ID: <560.12db958.31dac994@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/2006 10:46:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Sulphuric acid was chosen because it has a much lower vapor pressure that the other commonly available acid, hydrochloric / muriatic. (An important consideration if you want to breath anywhere near the tank being treated!) >><< When working will 99% sulphuric there are some rules you have to follow as this is some dangerous stuff! A full body suit, coveralls, Tyvec or something to cover all the skin, long rubber gloves, safety glasses or even better a full face shield. Most important is ALWAY add the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point of mixing >> Good advice Curt and cannot be stressed enough. If you have never had any experience around acid, seek advice and help from others as it is dangerous stuff and can lead to major medical problems including blindness or death! Great info on your cleaning of the tank and as you said, you were lucky to have a lab at work that you could experiment before using it at home! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 3 15:32:38 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:32:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> References: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <92dbaa9d54d21dd0b79ba1d0ac30dc7d@chartertn.net> > Hope this is useful information. Has anyone else tried this method? > What were your results? I've cleaned rusty cast iron stuff in a bucket of diluted muriatic acid with good results. You must do it outside! Even momentarily opening a bottle of muriatic acid in your shop will cause all your tools to turn brown. (As will using acid core soldering flux indoors, even once.) Don't ask me how I know. I also learned never to pour out the solution with iron salts on a concrete driveway. It'll leave a lovely permanent rust stain on the concrete. The acid etching the surface of the cast iron will leave free graphite in the bottom of the vessel. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 20:22:35 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:22:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <560.12db958.31dac994@aol.com> References: <560.12db958.31dac994@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060703232123.03b73130@mail.alltel.net> > Most important is ALWAY add > the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the > acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point > of mixing >> > >Good advice Curt and cannot be stressed enough. What do you guys have against the cleansing of the gene pool? Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 4 02:40:18 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:40:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <013c01c69f4d$df959c20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi all. I got the flights all sorted today, with the able assistance of my favorite travel agent lady. I pay vast amounts of money to them tomorrow! So, Its all go for Portland, Baraboo and SCRAP shows, along with seeing some of the worlds best people. Just over a month and I will be on my way. Cant wait to see you all again. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 4 07:59:11 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:59:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). Message-ID: <20060704.105937.1068.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Thanks for writing about the experience. I may never need to use it but it's good to know - especially the cautions. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Jul 4 09:55:58 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:55:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Progress Report Message-ID: <011201c69f8a$b9dab820$175d1941@pengy> On July 1 the Tod Engine Foundation officially took control of the property behind the museum. Over the past three days myself and two volunteers have been doing quite a bit of cleanup at the site and some interior demolition of offices. Here is an aerial photo of the property from about four years ago. http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qvnj6v88f49f&style=o&lvl=2&scene=2079852 The original museum property is to the bottom left. It is where the two semi trailers are parked. The new property has two buildings, a 50' x 150' former truck terminal and a three bay garage. The truck terminal has offices in the first 25' of the building with a 50' x 125' clear span area behind the offices. The offices area are to be used as a visitor center and Foundation offices with the clear span area reserved for exhibits including our collection of small stationary steam engines and steel industry artiacts etc. A portion will also be used as a machine and fabrication shop. The truck garage will be the new home for the Tod Engine Works foundry which will be moving from Sharon, PA by the end of the year. With the new property it is now possible to consolidate all of our collections at one site and to expedite development of the museum. With the new property we are especially in need of volunteers to assist in construction. We have been lucky to have a few volunteers come in from out of town to assist for a few days at a time however more is needed if the project is going to be successful. Have a happy Independence Day! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 4 17:55:00 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:55:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: <200607041600.k64G05tX012506@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi, Mike, Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". C an't A fford S omething E lse Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. The Minnie has a stuborn problem with leaking fuel around the throttle shaft. Seals are hard to find. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway >From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com From nick at holden1.net Tue Jul 4 12:57:22 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:57:22 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Book For curt Message-ID: <44AAC822.000003.00928@YOUR-447023AE6B> This is for Curt Andree as I don't have your e-mail Address Dave croft asked on UK rec engines for a book The Anson museum book that was given away free At Astle park rally I put it in the post air mail on Saturday So you will get it this week Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 5 02:40:32 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:40:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Book For curt Message-ID: <070520060940.24748.44AB89100001CF02000060AC219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Nick, Thankyou very much for all the extra trouble and looking forward to receiving the collector book. best regards, Curt Andree > This is for Curt Andree as I don't have your e-mail > > Address > > > > Dave croft asked on UK rec engines for a book > > The Anson museum book that was given away free > > At Astle park rally > > > > I put it in the post air mail on Saturday > > So you will get it this week > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Jul 5 05:46:00 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:46:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > >C an't >A fford >S omething >E lse Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you out :-). >Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. Have fun playing with your projects! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed Jul 5 06:22:51 2006 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:22:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll second that. Bubba (my 40s vintage LA) has impressed more than one non-believer pulling stuff out that was stuck to the axles. > Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >out :-). > >>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >>Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. > > Have fun playing with your projects! > > See ya', > Mike > -- > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mullt at att.net Wed Jul 5 06:50:28 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:50:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors Message-ID: <070520061350.8251.44ABC3A40002CA080000203B21602806519B04049A03@att.net> As the owner of a Ford 8N, I always thought that Ford stood for F-ix O-r R-pair D-aily. Tom is St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mike Tucker > >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > > > >C an't > >A fford > >S omething > >E lse > > Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n > R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an > acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you > let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you > out :-). > > >Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 > >Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. > > Have fun playing with your projects! > > See ya', > Mike > -- > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Wed Jul 5 08:58:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:58:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c6a04b$e092b460$d9b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Or Ford could mean and it does, FIRST ON RACE DAY. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors I'll second that. Bubba (my 40s vintage LA) has impressed more than one non-believer pulling stuff out that was stuck to the axles. > Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >out :-). > >>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >>Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. > > Have fun playing with your projects! > > See ya', > Mike > -- > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 5 09:18:44 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:18:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors References: <000101c6a04b$e092b460$d9b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <000601c6a04e$b02d9b70$0b80a018@mycomputer> or..Ford Owners Race Daily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Case Tractors > Or Ford could mean and it does, FIRST ON RACE DAY. > > Lyle Myles > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:23 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > I'll second that. Bubba (my 40s vintage LA) has impressed more than > one non-believer pulling stuff out that was stuck to the axles. > > > >> Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >>R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >>acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >>let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >>out :-). >> >>>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >>>Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. >> >> Have fun playing with your projects! >> >> See ya', >> Mike >> -- >> _____________________ >> Mike Tucker >> Midway, Kentucky, USA >> _____________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 09:34:23 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question Message-ID: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve . I got some questions. 1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job? 2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? 3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him? Thanks Ron Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-559228772-1152117263=:19294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Folks,
I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve .
I got some  questions.
1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job?
2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? 
3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him?
Thanks
Ron
 


Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
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Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 5 10:25:21 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:25:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> Ron, I am sure there are as many opinion on the subject of sleeving engines as there are brands of engines! It is my position, that as caretakers of these engines, it is our duty to preserve as much of the precious block material as possible. The practice of hogging out huge amounts of cylinder material to fit a sleeve has never set well with me. I much prefer the option of boring the cylinder only the amount needed to just clean it up and get it round and straight again. Then to make a new piston, since oversized OEM pistons won't likely be available. I've documented the piston pattern making process on my website to encourage folks to give pattern making a try. Believe you me I am NO wood worker! But still managed to make a go of the pattern and corebox that was sufficient for Rick to cast pistons for my engines. There is a real sense of accomplishment when you get to hold in your hand the casting that is the result of your pattern making efforts. Dave Otto just made a pattern for his Falk engine and maybe he'll pipe up and tell us about his experience on his first piston pattern. As caretakers, someone a couple of hundred years from now will be thanking you for your conservation of the precious block material or cursing you for hogging it all away for a sleeve that is impossible to remove and replace. Nomex fitted. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Pistons pattern links: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: >Hi Folks, > I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve . > I got some questions. > 1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job? > 2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? > 3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him? > Thanks > Ron > > > > >Ron Frost >Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > >" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. >--0-559228772-1152117263=:19294 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >
Hi Folks,
I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve .
I got some  questions.
1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job?
2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? 
3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him?
Thanks
Ron
 


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Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jul 5 10:40:33 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:40:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Case Tractors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200607051740.k65HeqEm070375@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:46 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > >C an't >A fford >S omething >E lse Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you out :-). See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ford also translates into Fix Or Repair Daily. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Jul 5 16:27:45 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Case Tractors In-Reply-To: <200607051740.k65HeqEm070375@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060705162636.01b30250@mail.pennswoods.net> No that is all wrong. It means For Old Retired Drivers. R Fink PA At 10:40 AM 7/5/2006 -0700, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:46 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > > > >C an't > >A fford > >S omething > >E lse > >Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >out :-). > > >See ya', >Mike >-- >_____________________ >Mike Tucker >Midway, Kentucky, USA >~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Ford also translates into Fix Or Repair Daily. > >:-) > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Wed Jul 5 15:20:41 2006 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:20:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors References: Message-ID: <04ec01c6a081$400b3720$0100000a@userd6162315ba> Fix - Found Or - On Repair - Rubbish Daily - Dumps Or a very old one If you can't afford a Ford dodge a Dodge and buy a Buick Barry Gorman Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 16:33:12 2006 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:33:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: <04ec01c6a081$400b3720$0100000a@userd6162315ba> References: <04ec01c6a081$400b3720$0100000a@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0607051633k460cd1ecocc4bdc65cb9eac05@mail.gmail.com> I hate to get into this, but the "Fix or repair Daily" was first told to me by a high school teacher that added "You're working for Ford." Lies! I only fixed it on weekends, and bought parts from aftermarket companies. That Falcon was an economy car that kept me broke. Paul, Ranger driver ------=_Part_16490_13840739.1152142392634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I hate to get into this, but the "Fix or repair Daily" was first told to me by a high school teacher that added "You're working for Ford." 
Lies!
I only fixed it on weekends, and bought parts from aftermarket companies. That Falcon was an economy car that kept me broke.

Paul,
Ranger driver


From frazer.ben at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 18:27:55 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:27:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> I can understand what Curt is saying to an extent but when I can bore and sleeve our 6hp Famous for free but to get a piston cast will cost me, I go for the sleeve any day and you can't tell it's been done no matter how hard you look. Ben From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jul 5 18:43:20 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:43:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question Message-ID: <654948539.1152150201896.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> ---- Curt wrote: > Ron, > I am sure there are as many opinion on the subject of sleeving engines > as there are brands of engines! It is my position, that as caretakers of > these engines, it is our duty to preserve as much of the precious block > material as possible. The practice of hogging out huge amounts of > cylinder material to fit a sleeve has never set well with me. I much > prefer the option of boring the cylinder only the amount needed to just > clean it up and get it round and straight again. Then to make a new > piston, since oversized OEM pistons won't likely be available. I've > documented the piston pattern making process on my website to encourage > folks to give pattern making a try. Believe you me I am NO wood worker! > But still managed to make a go of the pattern and corebox that was > sufficient for Rick to cast pistons for my engines. There is a real > sense of accomplishment when you get to hold in your hand the casting > that is the result of your pattern making efforts. Dave Otto just made a > pattern for his Falk engine and maybe he'll pipe up and tell us about > his experience on his first piston pattern. > As caretakers, someone a couple of hundred years from now will be > thanking you for your conservation of the precious block material or > cursing you for hogging it all away for a sleeve that is impossible to > remove and replace. > Nomex fitted. > Curt Holland Curt, I've made pistons for our antique marine engines, but my reason was to get an aluminum piston. The stock piston weighs 4 1/2 lbs, the aluminum under 2lbs. Makes a big difference in a single cylinder engine running in a boat. I've also sleeved over 40 cylinders, 8 farm engines and the rest 2 cycle antique marine engines. I throw away precious iron filings from the cylinder, you throw away whole pistons. When I sleeve a cylinder with a removable head, I bore from the top and leave the original chamfer at the bottom. This leaves a stop for the sleeve, I machine a bevel on the bottom of the sleeve to match the bevel of the boring bar, when the sleeve is installed it's almost invisible. On the 2 cycles, I cut the ports before installing sleeve, you can see it here. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/3051.html#POST5990 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jul 5 19:21:52 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:21:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) Message-ID: <410-2200674622152265@earthlink.net> F-*****g O-ld R-ebuilt D-odge P-oor O-ld N-****r T-hinks I-'ts A C-adalac Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Barry Gorman > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/5/2006 5:20:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > Fix - Found > Or - On > Repair - Rubbish > Daily - Dumps > > Or a very old one > > If you can't afford a Ford dodge a Dodge and buy a Buick > > Barry Gorman > Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Tucker" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 5 20:35:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:35:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) In-Reply-To: <410-2200674622152265@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200674622152265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060705233332.03d25e90@mail.alltel.net> Yes, a bit PG 13--but no more so that the rest of the thread after the first two posts! Dave PS, Why are you afraid of spelling out the word "nigger?" At 10:21 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: >F-*****g >O-ld >R-ebuilt >D-odge > >P-oor >O-ld >N-****r >T-hinks >I-'ts >A >C-adalac > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Jul 5 20:49:47 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:49:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <002001c6a0af$3a71df20$70610b42@computer> Looking forward to seeing you as well Reg!!!!!! Have a safe trip. -----Original Message----- From: R & M Ingold To: oldengine list ; List SEL Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland >Hi all. I got the flights all sorted today, with the able assistance of my >favorite travel agent lady. I pay vast amounts of money to them tomorrow! >So, Its all go for Portland, Baraboo and SCRAP shows, along with seeing some >of the worlds best people. >Just over a month and I will be on my way. >Cant wait to see you all again. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jul 5 21:11:34 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:11:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) Message-ID: <410-220067464113493@earthlink.net> Just trying to be nice to those who like to let their 5 and 6 year olds read their email. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/5/2006 10:46:33 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) > > Yes, a bit PG 13--but no more so that the rest of the thread after the > first two posts! > Dave > PS, Why are you afraid of spelling out the word "nigger?" > > At 10:21 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: > >F-*****g > >O-ld > >R-ebuilt > >D-odge > > > >P-oor > >O-ld > >N-****r > >T-hinks > >I-'ts > >A > >C-adalac > > > >Tim Christoff > >Basehor Kansas > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Jul 5 22:17:36 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:17:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ford Emblem Message-ID: <571.d1ede4.31ddf6f0@aol.com> C'mon guys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled it"! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_571.d1ede4.31ddf6f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable C'mon g= uys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled i= t"!

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 23:20:27 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:20:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200607051600.k65G052j032594@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 Minnie-Mo >>R and a '36 Fordson. >Have fun playing with your projects! >See ya', >Mike -- Oh, always - a year or two ago, I came very close to snagging a '48 VAC. Prairie Gold, Flambeau Red, and Persian Orange are all good colors. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 5 13:46:08 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:46:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Around here automotive machine shops are getting few and far between but if you have a good one, boring and sleeving an engine back to standard shouldn't be a problem. We had a tractor engine done this way many years ago. It's not an antique either but a workhorse. Several hundred hours later its still going strong. We did install new pistons. Just my $.02 John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > Hi Folks, > I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 > Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve . > I got some questions. > 1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job? > 2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an > oversized piston if a piston would be available? > 3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job > for him? > Thanks > Ron > > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > From frazer.ben at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 03:00:13 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:00:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607060300g2b33ce3nea786089ee21cfd7@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, As I was saying earlier, you can sleeve a cylinder for free with nothing more than a decent lathe and a bit of knowledge (a small bit will do coz I managed)! I will now try to briefly explain how we did our 6hp throttle gooverned Famous. Firstly, we went to our local diesel engine re-builder and asked for some used wet sleeves at the correct diameter for a 6hp Famous, I think about 6" from memory. After we were given the sleeves (because they were in the scrap heap anyway), we went back to the shed where the lathe was. The lathe we used for the job had to be about 6' to 8' between centres. We began by removing the top of the tailstock. The base was left on the bed then a plate was made to fit on the tailstock base and a 3" bearing was fitted to the plate, paying carefull attention to getting it absolutely square to the bed. We then removed the tool post and replaced it with a flat machined plate with a locating dowell that fits in the same hole as the tool post, therefore it can be swivelled to allow for setting up. We then clamped our 8' length of 3" shaft in the chuck which we drilled and tapped about half way along in th side to allow for a tool. After this set up was finished we began seting up the barrel on the saddle of the lathe and after about an hour with shims and a dial indicator we were ready to bore! A couple of hours later we had bored the cylinder out to our pre determined size and we removed it from the machine. In about 10 minutes flat, we had the machine back as a lathe. I then made a dummy centre for the sleeves and set each one up in the four jaw chuck. I then simply turned them to about .004" interferance on the bore of the barrel and parted them off to size. (I had to use two sleeves to get the length of the barrel because trucks don't have that long a stroke)! After all the machining was completed, we heated up the barrel, dropped in the sleeves and honed them out to size. Now, you can't even see the join between the two sleeves and the engine runs like a clock. We now have the set up to turn the lathe into a boring machine and can use for lots of different engines. Hope this story can help others to do their own sleeving without the high cost of casting pistons or paying someone for sleeving. Ben From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 04:33:50 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:33:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Message-ID: Howdy all; Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the trains. Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well kept secret. A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." Photo's at: http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo Hope you enjoy RickinMt. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jul 6 04:49:00 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:49:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> <6f6bb9400607060300g2b33ce3nea786089ee21cfd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c6a0f2$2f08e640$22ca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > Hi all, > > As I was saying earlier, you can sleeve a cylinder for free with > nothing more than a decent lathe and a bit of knowledge (a small bit > will do coz I managed)! I will now try to briefly explain how we did > our 6hp throttle gooverned Famous. > > Firstly, we went to our local diesel engine re-builder and asked for > some used wet sleeves at the correct diameter for a 6hp Famous, I > think about 6" from memory. After we were given the sleeves (because > they were in the scrap heap anyway), we went back to the shed where > the lathe was. The lathe we used for the job had to be about 6' to 8' > between centres. > > We began by removing the top of the tailstock. The base was left on > the bed then a plate was made to fit on the tailstock base and a 3" > bearing was fitted to the plate, paying carefull attention to getting > it absolutely square to the bed. > > We then removed the tool post and replaced it with a flat machined > plate with a locating dowell that fits in the same hole as the tool > post, therefore it can be swivelled to allow for setting up. > > We then clamped our 8' length of 3" shaft in the chuck which we > drilled and tapped about half way along in th side to allow for a > tool. > > After this set up was finished we began seting up the barrel on the > saddle of the lathe and after about an hour with shims and a dial > indicator we were ready to bore! > > A couple of hours later we had bored the cylinder out to our pre > determined size and we removed it from the machine. > > In about 10 minutes flat, we had the machine back as a lathe. I then > made a dummy centre for the sleeves and set each one up in the four > jaw chuck. I then simply turned them to about .004" interferance on > the bore of the barrel and parted them off to size. (I had to use two > sleeves to get the length of the barrel because trucks don't have that > long a stroke)! > > After all the machining was completed, we heated up the barrel, > dropped in the sleeves and honed them out to size. Now, you can't even > see the join between the two sleeves and the engine runs like a clock. > We now have the set up to turn the lathe into a boring machine and can > use for lots of different engines. > > Hope this story can help others to do their own sleeving without the > high cost of casting pistons or paying someone for sleeving. > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 6 05:04:03 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:04:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: Message-ID: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> What a wonderful piece of engineering. Thanks for sharing it with us all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Howdy all; > Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the > return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" > constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for > rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the > few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the > trains. > > Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a kero > Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well > kept secret. > > A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > > Photo's at: > > > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > > Hope you enjoy > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 6 05:23:00 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2450.165.206.180.19.1152188580.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Agree and here's why: A sleeve does not mean a lot of block material removal - a good sleeve is not that thick. A sleeve can be removed later and replaced again, should that unusual circumstance ever happen I collect another form of rare engine - AMC engines. Trust me, with the very high demand and the low availability of a 1970 390 block, they are treated like gold, if you have a good one to get rid of, you can trade it for most anything else. A few folks race with them, and the discussion of to sleeve or not to sleeve comes up a LOT on the forums. I mean a LOT. The consensus is that you are not hurting the block - the sleeve does no damage. The sleeve might actually be saving a block as the wear and abuse is on the sleeve. Sleeved blocks see fewer problems. In my case, my 390 had already been bored to .030 over. The forum members and machine shop all agreed - SLEEVE IT. The sleeve job was only 80 bucks a hole and is so good it's hard to tell there are sleeves in it. I can in the future have it done again should I get crazy with it - but having the rare one-year-only 1970 390 block, probably won't happen! In fact I put later heads on it to reduce compression and installed step-dish hyper pistons to avoid this sort of damage. Bottom line - the amount of material removed by a good shop when installing good sleeves is minimal. You can then use original pistons, retaining originality and the ability to find standard parts - meaning instead of finding some rare or unusual size piston, etc. - you simply drop in a standard original piston. The engine is not modified. A sleeve can be replaced if need be - but if you resleeve and wear it that darned much - wow - but it can be resleeved later. Most blocks, including AMC v8 blocks, have a LOT of meat to them. You can remove a lot of material without damage, but boring the block to oversize and installing larger pistons, well, there you are wearing on the block again, so in the future someone is gonna have to sleeve it anyway. It's hard to say here, but seems most car and tractor fellows readily opt for sleeves and the many advantages, none of them suggesting that they are doing any damage and if anyone is gonna fuss over messing up a good block, trust me, these AMC folks will be the first to scream bloody murder. 3 to 5K for a rebuild is nothing. In years of auto rebuilding, I've not seen any problems with sleeves, even with subsequent rebuilds. Bill > I can understand what Curt is saying to an extent but when I can bore > and sleeve our 6hp Famous for free but to get a piston cast will cost > me, I go for the sleeve any day and you can't tell it's been done no > matter how hard you look. > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 6 05:42:32 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:42:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: Message-ID: <003501c6a0f9$a7f17d40$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Howdy all; > Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the return > trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" constructed 1916 > by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for rail and auto > traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the few vertical > lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the trains. > Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a kero > Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well kept secret. > A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > Photo's at: > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > Hope you enjoy RickinMt. Hi Richard, lovely pictures. A few questions for you! Is the lift ever used these days? Does the engine house have a roof over it? Your picture 5 shows what seems to be the machinery uncovered but a different picture shows a wooden housing. I also have an interest in mechanical bridges. I have taken pictures of our now disused transporter bridge at http://community.webshots.com/album/95425737UyEYME This moved rail cars across the river but horizontally. Also http://community.webshots.com/album/73689760ksBHbv This is where a canal section is swung to allow large sea going vessels to pass on the Manchester Ship Canal below. PS It seems that your lovely bridge has a twin sister! See http://www.lewisandclarkeasternmt.com/fairview.html Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 6 05:47:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:47:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge In-Reply-To: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> Reg, As I was looking thru Rick's great photos, I was thinking what a great modeling making opportunity. Not just in the engine, but a working scaled model of the entire bridge system with functioning engine, gearbox., and vertical span. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC R & M Ingold wrote: > What a wonderful piece of engineering. > Thanks for sharing it with us all. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > >> Howdy all; >> Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the >> return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" >> constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri >> for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is >> one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, >> but only by the trains. >> >> Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a >> kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite >> well kept secret. >> >> A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." >> >> Photo's at: >> >> >> http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo >> >> >> Hope you enjoy >> >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:05:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:05:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <003501c6a0f9$a7f17d40$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: > > Hi Richard, lovely pictures. A few questions for you! > Is the lift ever used these days? > Does the engine house have a roof over it? > Your picture 5 shows what seems to be the machinery uncovered > but a different picture shows a wooden housing. > I also have an interest in mechanical bridges. > I have taken pictures of our now disused transporter bridge at > http://community.webshots.com/album/95425737UyEYME > This moved rail cars across the river but horizontally. > Also http://community.webshots.com/album/73689760ksBHbv > This is where a canal section is swung to allow large sea going vessels > to pass on the Manchester Ship Canal below. > PS It seems that your lovely bridge has a twin sister! See > http://www.lewisandclarkeasternmt.com/fairview.html Yes Dave, I've seen and was very impressed with the swing bridges over there!!! Yes, the Snowden Bridge does have a twin sister in North Dakota...downstream. We did not go there. The last photos which show the engine/gearing/winch shed, I believe I got some months back when I first learned of the Snowden Bridge. Possibly Library of Congress website or Montana Historical Society. I don't remember. Understandably the engine and such would have been enclosed in a wooden structure but it is all gone now, exposing the ole iron to the elements. Catwalks with iron rails are still there but the wooden walkways are pretty much gone. We were impressed that this is one of the few where rail and auto traffic were both utilized and up until 1986 was used as such and only closed off to auto traffic due to liability. I'm still getting a kick out of that. I do believe Amtrak Rail uses this bridge and traffic control could have created a problem. . Thanks for the links..I'm still looking for more info. Regards, RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:18:33 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:18:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: Message-ID: This link shows the old vehicle approaches to the bridge. Today the bridge can only be accessed for viewing from the south. Please copy/paste if link wraps. http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=13&X=2837&Y=26583&W=3&qs=%7cFairview%7cMontana%7c Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Howdy all; > Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the > return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" > constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for > rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the > few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the > trains. > > Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a > kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well > kept secret. > > A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > > Photo's at: > > > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > > Hope you enjoy > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:20:27 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:20:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ditto.. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Reg, > As I was looking thru Rick's great photos, I was thinking what a great > modeling making opportunity. Not just in the engine, but a working > scaled model of the entire bridge system with functioning engine, > gearbox., and vertical span. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > What a wonderful piece of engineering. > > Thanks for sharing it with us all. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > > > > To: "sel" > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM > > Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > > > > >> Howdy all; > >> Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the > >> return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" > >> constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri > >> for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is > >> one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, > >> but only by the trains. > >> > >> Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a > >> kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > >> > >> Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite > >> well kept secret. > >> > >> A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > >> > >> Photo's at: > >> > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > >> > >> > >> Hope you enjoy > >> > >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:29:39 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:29:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <003501c6a0f9$a7f17d40$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: Here's where I got the Engine Mechanisn House pictures and some other great old photos. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=pphhphoto&action=browse&fileName=mt/mt0000/mt0090/photos/browse.db&recNum=0&itemLink=S?pp/hh:@field(TITLE+ at od1(Snowden+Bridge,+Spanning+Missouri+River,+Nohly+vicinity,+Richland+County,+MT))&linkText=-1&title2=Snowden%20Bridge,%20Spanning%20Missouri%20River,%20Nohly%20vicinity,%20Richland%20County,%20MT&displayType=1&maxCols=4 Whew..that one's gotta wrap. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > > > > > > Hi Richard, lovely pictures. A few questions for you! > > Is the lift ever used these days? > > Does the engine house have a roof over it? > > Your picture 5 shows what seems to be the machinery uncovered > > but a different picture shows a wooden housing. > > I also have an interest in mechanical bridges. > > I have taken pictures of our now disused transporter bridge at > > http://community.webshots.com/album/95425737UyEYME > > This moved rail cars across the river but horizontally. > > Also http://community.webshots.com/album/73689760ksBHbv > > This is where a canal section is swung to allow large sea going vessels > > to pass on the Manchester Ship Canal below. > > PS It seems that your lovely bridge has a twin sister! See > > http://www.lewisandclarkeasternmt.com/fairview.html > > > Yes Dave, I've seen and was very impressed with the swing bridges over > there!!! > > Yes, the Snowden Bridge does have a twin sister in North > Dakota...downstream. We did not go there. > > The last photos which show the engine/gearing/winch shed, I believe I > got some months back when I first learned of the Snowden Bridge. Possibly > Library of Congress website or Montana Historical Society. I don't > remember. Understandably the engine and such would have been enclosed in > a wooden structure but it is all gone now, exposing the ole iron to the > elements. Catwalks with iron rails are still there but the wooden > walkways are pretty much gone. > > We were impressed that this is one of the few where rail and auto > traffic were both utilized and up until 1986 was used as such and only > closed off to auto traffic due to liability. I'm still getting a kick out > of that. I do believe Amtrak Rail uses this bridge and traffic control > could have created a problem. . > > Thanks for the links..I'm still looking for more info. > > > Regards, > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Jul 6 06:37:35 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:37:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002c01c6a101$57913090$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, Why not make a pattern and cast the thing in one shot. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Reg, As I was looking thru Rick's great photos, I was thinking what a great modeling making opportunity. Not just in the engine, but a working scaled model of the entire bridge system with functioning engine, gearbox., and vertical span. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC R & M Ingold wrote: > What a wonderful piece of engineering. > Thanks for sharing it with us all. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > >> Howdy all; >> Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the >> return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" >> constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri >> for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is >> one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, >> but only by the trains. >> >> Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a >> kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite >> well kept secret. >> >> A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." >> >> Photo's at: >> >> >> http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo >> >> >> Hope you enjoy >> >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 6 06:53:08 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <2450.165.206.180.19.1152188580.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> <2450.165.206.180.19.1152188580.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> Bill, Like I said yesterday there are a lot of opinions on boring vs. sleeving. Your 390 engine was already .030 over meaning someone made the decision to bore the engine once or twice before the decision was made to sleeve it. And that's my point with our old engines. Bore them only as needed to clean them up and fit an oversized piston. Then _years_ down the road if it has been bored so many times that it is getting really large, at that point fit a sleeve. But up until that point preserve as much of the original cylinder wall thickness as possible by doing a minimum bore and fit an oversized piston. The economics are nearly identical for sleeving vs. new oversized piston if you make your own pattern. The piston castings are relatively inexpensive. If you own or have access to machineshop equipment, the piston machining process is 3 or 4 hours tops. I have yet to measure a used piston out of a cylinder that needed boring that isn't worn itself. You'll spend additional time truing that old part up and will need to make the sleeved bore undersized a little to account for work to the old piston. We all tend to be intimidated with doing something out of the ordinary. For me, participating in and replicating the steps the engine entrepreneurs*** *had to go thru IS a big part of what this hobby is all about. Before I'm done with the hobby I hope to have experienced pattern making, building a cupola, casting parts off my patterns, machining parts, and assembly of those parts. So far I've experienced all these steps with the exception of building a cupola. Soon, very soon..... Its great fun to challenge oneself and to continually learn. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Agree and here's why: >A sleeve does not mean a lot of block material removal - a good sleeve is >not that thick. >A sleeve can be removed later and replaced again, should that unusual >circumstance ever happen >I collect another form of rare engine - AMC engines. Trust me, with the >very high demand and the low availability of a 1970 390 block, they are >treated like gold, if you have a good one to get rid of, you can trade it >for most anything else. A few folks race with them, and the discussion of >to sleeve or not to sleeve comes up a LOT on the forums. I mean a LOT. The >consensus is that you are not hurting the block - the sleeve does no >damage. The sleeve might actually be saving a block as the wear and abuse >is on the sleeve. Sleeved blocks see fewer problems. >In my case, my 390 had already been bored to .030 over. The forum members >and machine shop all agreed - SLEEVE IT. The sleeve job was only 80 bucks >a hole and is so good it's hard to tell there are sleeves in it. I can in >the future have it done again should I get crazy with it - but having the >rare one-year-only 1970 390 block, probably won't happen! In fact I put >later heads on it to reduce compression and installed step-dish hyper >pistons to avoid this sort of damage. > >Bottom line - the amount of material removed by a good shop when >installing good sleeves is minimal. >You can then use original pistons, retaining originality and the ability >to find standard parts - meaning instead of finding some rare or unusual >size piston, etc. - you simply drop in a standard original piston. The >engine is not modified. >A sleeve can be replaced if need be - but if you resleeve and wear it that >darned much - wow - but it can be resleeved later. >Most blocks, including AMC v8 blocks, have a LOT of meat to them. You can >remove a lot of material without damage, but boring the block to oversize >and installing larger pistons, well, there you are wearing on the block >again, so in the future someone is gonna have to sleeve it anyway. > >It's hard to say here, but seems most car and tractor fellows readily opt >for sleeves and the many advantages, none of them suggesting that they are >doing any damage and if anyone is gonna fuss over messing up a good block, >trust me, these AMC folks will be the first to scream bloody murder. 3 to >5K for a rebuild is nothing. > >In years of auto rebuilding, I've not seen any problems with sleeves, even >with subsequent rebuilds. > >Bill > > > >>I can understand what Curt is saying to an extent but when I can bore >>and sleeve our 6hp Famous for free but to get a piston cast will cost >>me, I go for the sleeve any day and you can't tell it's been done no >>matter how hard you look. >> >>Ben >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 6 06:56:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:56:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge In-Reply-To: <002c01c6a101$57913090$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> <002c01c6a101$57913090$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <44AD16A1.7070507@imc-group.com> Sort of like those cast aircraft fuselages right :-) Curt Jim and Diane wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Why not make a pattern and cast the thing in one shot. > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 6 07:50:53 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:50:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Message-ID: <20060706.105100.260.2.jlb94@juno.com> Great pics Rick, I'm amazed that you were able to get that close to the engine & workings. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jul 6 09:48:17 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:48:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lister CS Book by David Edgington Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060706184509.028b8450@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, For those who do not know - David Edgington has released his latest book - "The Lister CS Story" You can order from his website Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From sel at antique-engine.com Thu Jul 6 19:22:12 2006 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:22:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200676192212.991586@computerone> Hi Curt, All I can say to this statement below in your reply to Bill is that you are my hero if you can machine a raw piston casting in 3 to 4 hours. Take care... Craig On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0400, Curt wrote: >?Bill, >?Like I said yesterday there are a lot of opinions on boring vs. >?sleeving... (snip, snip...) > >... If you own or have >?access to machineshop equipment, the piston machining process is 3 >?or 4 hours tops...(snip, snip...) > >Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Jul 6 18:04:14 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Thu Jul 6 17:39:33 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:39:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a15d$d1ded530$be70fd04@cats4d7ae9feb8> May our prayers be for him and his family during this difficult time? Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:04 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 6 17:50:02 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <44ADAFBA.1020703@scrtc.com> Charlie, I saw Ralph at Coolspring and didn't think he looked well. Sad to hear of his illness and we'll remember him and his family in our prayers. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one >of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. > >Charlie Bryant >Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). > >Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dotto at velocitus.net Thu Jul 6 18:20:05 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:20:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> I sent this out this morning but for some reason it didn't show up. Hi all, The main reason I decided to make a new piston was because the crown had a circular crack due to a run in with a BFH at some point. My original plan was to have the piston sprayed and a new set of rings made to fit the newly honed bore. Not wanting to put a bunch of work and money into a broken piston, I decided to go with a new piston. With Curt's gracious help in designing the pattern and core box for me I started the pattern making process which most of you have seen pictures of on my Webshots page. Rick Rowlands made the molds and poured the castings for the piston and two different rocker arms. The castings were received last week and I'm very pleased with how they turned out. It was a lot of fun to open that box and see the results of a lot of hard work. I learned some new skills and in the future if I need a cast part it won't be as much of a mystery how to do the pattern work and end up with nice finished product. I will try to get a few pictures of the castings posted in the next day or so. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > > Dave Otto just made a > pattern for his Falk engine and maybe he'll pipe up and tell us about > his experience on his first piston pattern. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 6 18:42:47 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:42:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <200676192212.991586@computerone> References: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> <200676192212.991586@computerone> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> The machinist that I talked to earlier tonight (who does this sort of thing on a regular basis) tells me that 15-18 hours would be the norm for taking a piston from "raw" casting to finished product. Dave PS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" At 10:22 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: >Hi Curt, > >All I can say to this statement below in your reply to Bill is that you >are my hero if you can machine a raw piston casting in 3 to 4 hours. Take >care... > >Craig > > > >On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0400, Curt wrote: > > Bill, > > Like I said yesterday there are a lot of opinions on boring vs. > > sleeving... (snip, snip...) > > > >... If you own or have > > access to machineshop equipment, the piston machining process is 3 > > or 4 hours tops...(snip, snip...) > > > >Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mgomaize at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 18:47:23 2006 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] United Type A followed me home! Message-ID: <20060707014723.12322.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I was lucky enough to be followed home today by a lost engine:). I picked up a 2HP United Type A from a friend in my engine club. You can see pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf/myengines.htm I would love to learn more about this engine. Please let me know of any sites with information, or please feel free to e-mail me pictures, manuals, advertisements or the like. Thanks, Tony ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf ------------------------------------------ Hudson Mills Old Power Club 15th Annual Show June 2-4, 2006 Dexter, MI http://www.hudsonmills.org --0-141201062-1152236843=:11567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello,
 
I was lucky enough to be followed home today by a lost engine:).  I picked up a 2HP United Type A from a friend in my engine club.  You can see pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf/myengines.htm
 
I would love to learn more about this engine.  Please let me know of any sites with information, or please feel free to e-mail me pictures, manuals, advertisements or the like.
 
Thanks,
 
Tony
 
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Hudson Mills Old Power Club
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From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 6 19:03:45 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:03:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706214302.01ad1fe8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will be held once again during the August Portland Show. The date for the dinner this year is (Thurs.) August 24th at 6:00 PM. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north end of town. The auction will follow the dinner. Start looking around for items to donate to the auction! Ellen said that she was eager to have us back again this year and when I told her that Reg would be joining us she said that she and the other girls remembered him and that "strange Australian greeting" that he always used. (I think she was referring to the slap on the a$$ that Reg always gives each of them.) She also asked if that "nice tractor guy with the Big Minnie" would be at the dinner again this year. Does anyone know who she is talking about? (And what on earth is a "Big Minnie?" Perhaps I shouldn't ask!) I told Ellen that I would contact her to provide a "head count" as time neared for the dinner. If you plan to join us please let me know so that I can provide a fairly good estimate to Ellen. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net Thanks, and I sure hope to see everyone at the dinner and auction! Dave PS, Will someone please forward this post to the Tractor List? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 6 19:19:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:19:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <20060707014723.12322.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060707014723.12322.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ADC4A8.1080603@scrtc.com> Tony, Great looking engine. Looks like you only need a mag to make that baby whole. There is one for sale on ebay right now (they go for pretty good $$$). Its item number 120004362369 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hello, > >I was lucky enough to be followed home today by a lost engine:). I picked up a 2HP United Type A from a friend in my engine club. You can see pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf/myengines.htm > >I would love to learn more about this engine. Please let me know of any sites with information, or please feel free to e-mail me pictures, manuals, advertisements or the like. > >Thanks, > >Tony > >------------------------------------------ >Tony Pitts >Ann Arbor, MI >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 19:28:12 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706214302.01ad1fe8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Forwarded to all three...that I know of, Dave, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction > Hi All, > The annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will be held once again during > the August Portland Show. The date for the dinner this year is (Thurs.) > August 24th at 6:00 PM. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north > end > of town. The auction will follow the dinner. Start looking around for > items > to donate to the auction! > Ellen said that she was eager to have us back again this year and when I > told her that Reg would be joining us she said that she and the other > girls > remembered him and that "strange Australian greeting" that he always used. > (I think she was referring to the slap on the a$$ that Reg always gives > each of them.) She also asked if that "nice tractor guy with the Big > Minnie" would be at the dinner again this year. Does anyone know who she > is > talking about? (And what on earth is a "Big Minnie?" Perhaps I shouldn't > ask!) > I told Ellen that I would contact her to provide a "head count" as time > neared for the dinner. If you plan to join us please let me know so that I > can provide a fairly good estimate to Ellen. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net > Thanks, and I sure hope to see everyone at the dinner and auction! > Dave > PS, Will someone please forward this post to the Tractor List? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 19:35:41 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:35:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <20060706.105100.260.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: > Great pics Rick, > > I'm amazed that you were able to get that close to the engine & workings. Hi Joe; I was lucky enough to find the engine and mechanism pictures on the Library of Congress website. Now 40 years ago, it may have been a different story..:-) She is a beauty!!! Rick From frazer.ben at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 19:54:19 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:54:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines. Ben ------=_Part_73026_8791983.1152240859880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum'  time  needed  to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines.

Ben


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:17:43 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok I got another thought. If the piston isn't broken but just worn and undersized because of the honing back to a round bore, what do you think of metal spraying and turning to fit the new bore dia? Ron Ben Frazer wrote: I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines. Ben ------=_Part_73026_8791983.1152240859880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines. Ben _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-2037119927-1152267463=:43507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Ok I got another thought. If the piston isn't broken but just worn and undersized because of the honing back to a round bore, what do you think of metal spraying and turning to fit the new bore dia?
Ron

Ben Frazer <frazer.ben at gmail.com> wrote:
I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner
I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw
piston casting, with the right machines.

Ben

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I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum'  time  needed  to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines.

Ben



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Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 7 03:53:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:53:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> <200676192212.991586@computerone> <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <44AE3D34.3050900@imc-group.com> Dave, Craig, As you know I've machined quite a few of the 1 1/2HP Herc pistons and it's 2 hours on the lathe and a couple of more on the Bridgeport doing the wrist pin. The worst part of the job is tramming the Bridgeport! When I did the 1 1/2HP piston, Tommy Berry suggested I put a chucking button on the crown to facilitate machining. That has worked out exceedingly well as it eliminates one of the chucking steps. This lets you turn the entire piston in 1 setup, leaving only the facing of the crown. The only drawback is when cutting the ring grooves, as it tends to chatter a little so you have to go slow here. A big rubber cork in the open end might help absorb the chatter. Now admittedly the piston size has a huge impact on the machining time. The last one I did was the 50# piston casting for the Alamo. I spent the better part of a Saturday and the following Monday evening just on lathe work. I didn't keep track of the hours but I'd guess 10 hours lathe time. I couldn't do the wrist pin bore work on a standard Bridgeport (needed 6" of quill travel and lots of vertical room for the part and the tooling) so I had to ask a favor of a large machineshop in town and they let me use one of their LARGE "Bridgeport" style machines for this step. That was a brand new machine to me and between the setup, finding the tooling and doing the job I spent the better part of a day there. It should have been about 4 hours of work. That would be much closer to the time your buddy estimated. You tend to be a LOT more careful with a single 50# casting that when you have a dozen little pistons castings available. It's not too traumatic if you kill a little part! I did document the machining steps for the small piston. I thought I had put the machining times on here but I guess not. At one point I definitely tracked my time on these as there was a local retiree who was going to machine these. I think he estimated $80 each for the machining. That never panned out due to his health though. Here is the link on the machining steps for the small piston. After Portland I'll be machining the first of the 3HP Herc pistons made from the patterns developed over the winter. I'll be sure to document the time. Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: > The machinist that I talked to earlier tonight (who does this sort of > thing on a regular basis) tells me that 15-18 hours would be the norm > for taking a piston from "raw" casting to finished product. > Dave > PS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" > From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Jul 6 20:47:43 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ford Emblem Message-ID: <20060707034743.BDCD599E1D@mprdmxin.myway.com> At least if you Fix Or Repair it Daley your ok, better than a [chevy] so there.........-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 07/06, < WinkAndGinger at aol.com > wrote: From: [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:17:36 EDTSubject: [SEL] Ford EmblemC'mon guys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled it"!Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=--part1_571.d1ede4.31ddf6f0_boundaryContent-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableC'mon g=uys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled i=t"!Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&amp;a=3D30951078&=amp;pw=3D_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jul 7 05:06:28 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> <200676192212.991586@computerone> <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3684.165.206.180.19.1152273988.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Dave - Yes. Bill > PS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Jul 7 05:18:25 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:18:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <410-22006757121825609@coastalnet.com> These engine pictures were sent to me the other day and I just got around to putting them up. Any help will be appreciated. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/tony/ Thanks and take care. Ken Christison christison at coastalnet.com visit my gallery at: www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 7 05:54:20 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:54:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <410-22006757121825609@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <003601c6a1c4$781175f0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "stationary-engine" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > These engine pictures were sent to me the other day and I just > got around to putting them up. Any help will be appreciated. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/tony/ > Thanks and take care. > Ken Christison Hi Ken, I saw the engine for sale at the Astle Park rally. It was much discussed but nobody knew the manufacturer. I thought it looked a little like a Glasgow but others said it wasn't. The picture of the engine on sale is below. http://community.webshots.com/photo/551708179/2654545010028520097bGYhWp# Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From segray at mlode.com Fri Jul 7 08:34:57 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> Hi Ron - Been there, done that, happy with the results. My Jaeger had inhaled much of the dust created during it's cement mixer days, and both the bore and piston were very badly worn (there was more carbon than ring material in the grooves!) I had to take a cleaning cut on the bore in the mill before proceeding with the honing job. That left the piston better than .050" undersize at the closest fitting points. The piston was also very oval shaped. I had the piston metal sprayed and turned to a few thousandths of the bore and had a new engine when I was done. After seeing the results, I put a spray torch on my list of tools to add to the shop! I currently have a crankshaft that needs the same treatment, but no one does that kind of work in this area. :-( CYA - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: >Ok I got another thought. If the piston isn't broken but just worn and undersized because of the honing back to a round bore, what do you think of metal spraying and turning to fit the new bore dia? > Ron > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 7 08:54:31 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:54:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> Message-ID: <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> Steve, On your crankshaft repair you might try the services of Standard Crankshaft here in Charlotte. The do submerge arc welding of the journals and regrind back to original diameters. Call the Belwood/Lawndale number and ask for Joe Elmore. He's a good guy and helps me out with the old engine crankshafts. You must have a good sized mill if you can handle a Jaeger cylinder! Tell us about that...... Curt Holland Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Ron - > > Been there, done that, happy with the results. My Jaeger had inhaled > much of the dust created during it's cement mixer days, and both the > bore and piston were very badly worn (there was more carbon than ring > material in the grooves!) I had to take a cleaning cut on the bore in > the mill before proceeding with the honing job. That left the piston > better than .050" undersize at the closest fitting points. The piston > was also very oval shaped. I had the piston metal sprayed and turned > to a few thousandths of the bore and had a new engine when I was > done. After seeing the results, I put a spray torch on my list of > tools to add to the shop! I currently have a crankshaft that needs the > same treatment, but no one does that kind of work in this area. :-( > > CYA > > - Steve > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 7 08:55:58 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:55:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44AE840E.3050005@imc-group.com> Duh, I forgot the link! Curt wrote: > Steve, > On your crankshaft repair you might try the services of Standard > Crankshaft here in Charlotte. The do submerge arc welding of the > journals and regrind back to original diameters. Call the > Belwood/Lawndale number and ask for Joe Elmore. He's a good guy and > helps me out with the old engine crankshafts. > You must have a good sized mill if you can handle a Jaeger cylinder! > Tell us about that...... > Curt Holland > > > Steve Gray wrote: > >> Hi Ron - >> >> Been there, done that, happy with the results. My Jaeger had inhaled >> much of the dust created during it's cement mixer days, and both the >> bore and piston were very badly worn (there was more carbon than ring >> material in the grooves!) I had to take a cleaning cut on the bore in >> the mill before proceeding with the honing job. That left the piston >> better than .050" undersize at the closest fitting points. The piston >> was also very oval shaped. I had the piston metal sprayed and turned >> to a few thousandths of the bore and had a new engine when I was >> done. After seeing the results, I put a spray torch on my list of >> tools to add to the shop! I currently have a crankshaft that needs >> the same treatment, but no one does that kind of work in this area. :-( >> >> CYA >> >> - Steve >> > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 7 10:34:50 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:34:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Some lovely Engine Models Message-ID: <005f01c6a1eb$a7a6c9b0$3ac10b52@no1> On the English engine list two people quoted two very good USA model engineering sites. See http://www.pbase.com/captain_carl/gears_2004 & http://www.pacificsun.ca/~robert/NAMES2003/NAMES2003.htm I found these pictures fascinating & worth passing on. Regards, Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jul 7 12:13:30 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:13:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Some lovely Engine Models Message-ID: <3af.518d59b.31e00c5a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2006 1:38:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: << I found these pictures fascinating & worth passing on. >> Dave, As I have said before there are some very talented and amazing people in the world! Thanks for the pictures! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From segray at mlode.com Fri Jul 7 13:17:06 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:17:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AE840E.3050005@imc-group.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> <44AE840E.3050005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44AEC142.6000009@mlode.com> Curt & All - Thanks for the lead on the crank grinding service. I've also heard of an outfit down in So Cal that also does specialty work, but weighing in at 42 lbs., the shipping alone won't be cheap. This is for my Lister 3/1 which has been apart now since this past November. At present, I'm being told that work is afoot in getting a complete new crank shipped from India. My source, George Breckenridge of Utterpower.com, is very choosy about the quality of parts he deals with, so he may have a decent supplier set up. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, I'm going out now to pour the first gas into a freshly restored 6HP Fairbanks. As for the Jaeger boring episode, I have a standard size Bridgeport, but use their 90 degree drive up between the mains to do the job. It's the same type of setup as shown in the second picture on this page of the Waterloo restoration: http://www.oldengineshed.com/waterloo2.html. TTYL - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Curt wrote: > Duh, I forgot the link! > > > Curt wrote: > >> Steve, >> On your crankshaft repair you might try the services of Standard >> Crankshaft here in Charlotte. The do submerge arc welding of the >> journals and regrind back to original diameters. Call the >> Belwood/Lawndale number and ask for Joe Elmore. He's a good guy and >> helps me out with the old engine crankshafts. >> You must have a good sized mill if you can handle a Jaeger cylinder! >> Tell us about that...... >> Curt Holland >> >> From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Jul 7 14:30:46 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:30:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters References: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <44ADAFBA.1020703@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001401c6a20c$9c4df5e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Tommy, I visited Ralph today and told him you had asked for him. He is resting comfortably, no pain. No chemo or any treatment. Correction to previous message. He is in CCU, not ICU. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine Cell Phone: 207-462-1708 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ralph Waters > Charlie, > I saw Ralph at Coolspring and didn't think he looked well. Sad to > hear of his illness and we'll remember him and his family in our prayers. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one > >of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. > > > >Charlie Bryant > >Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). > > > >Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/06 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 7 15:08:50 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:08:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <001401c6a20c$9c4df5e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <44ADAFBA.1020703@scrtc.com> <001401c6a20c$9c4df5e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <44AEDB72.60300@scrtc.com> Having no pain is certainly a blessing. Thanks for the update and we'll be saying some prayers for him. TT >Tommy, > >I visited Ralph today and told him you had asked for him. He is resting >comfortably, no pain. No chemo or any treatment. Correction to >previous message. He is in CCU, not ICU. > >Charlie Bryant >Jay, Maine > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 7 18:17:12 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:17:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060707210832.03f12e98@mail.alltel.net> At 10:54 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: >I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner >I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw >piston casting, with the right machines. >Ben Hi Ben, My machinist friend would like your phone number and mailing address. He will send you the "raw" casting and pay you for your 4 hours of work (plus S&H both ways.) He contends that he will be able to net at least $250.00 on each piston that you produce. Dave PS, Please respond on List. I'm sure that there are others who want/need your expert service! PPS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" From mgomaize at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:32:30 2006 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 10. Re: United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <200607071600.k67G03Ck032007@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369). Can't be in the market for one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though. Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do. Thanks again, Tony ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf ------------------------------------------ Hudson Mills Old Power Club 15th Annual Show June 2-4, 2006 Dexter, MI http://www.hudsonmills.org --0-1498617580-1152322350=:58553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369).  Can't be in the market for one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. 
 
It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though.  Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do.
 
Thanks again,
 
Tony  
 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 7 18:52:29 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:52:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 10. Re: United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AF0FDD.7060608@scrtc.com> Tony, I hadn't noticed that in his description until you mentioned it. Sounds a bit thin skinned on the sellers part to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369). Can't be in the market for one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. > >It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though. Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do. > >Thanks again, > >Tony > > > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Jul 7 20:24:13 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:24:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <57e.3bdfbf.31e07f5d@aol.com> Ralph is a good friend. He looked a bit weak at Orange. I attributed it to his recent joint replacement. Ralph will be in Lee and my thoughts. Mike and Lee Semanoff -------------------------------1152329053 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Ralph is a good friend. He looked a bit weak at Orange. I attribu= ted=20 it to his recent joint replacement. Ralph will be in Lee and my thought= s.=20
 Mike and Lee Semanoff
From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Jul 8 02:05:34 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:05:34 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Machining a piston Message-ID: <005001c6a26d$afae5290$56c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> My comments are if you say you can machine a raw piston casting in 4 hrs so be it and I believe that you can . There are many variables in this operation , i.e. how much meat in the casting ,the size and HP of your lathe, tooling and sequence of machining operations. I would prefer to give credit to those of us who have had machine shop experience in our former working lives .Your description of the boring and sleeving operation indicate that you are not an ''Armchair Machinist''...........I find the whole argument bloody pointless. Now I await the smart arse comments. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 8 05:11:13 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 08:11:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used on MAYTAGS? Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 8 06:18:37 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:18:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Always had good luck with Eastwood, Dave. Shipping has been a little pricy for me lately tho. See: http://eastwood.resultspage.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=wrinkle I believe I've also saw it in auto parts stores. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used > on > MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Jul 8 07:24:44 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:24:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Message-ID: <001601c6a29a$43669f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Dave, You can get wrinkle paint at various paint stores. Now that you have a supply of wood sawed up you should go into clothes laundering next. I have just acquired a Maytag washing machine with a single cylinder Maytag engine. It is practically 100% complete and wringers in good condition. It does need restoring but it would make you a beautiful exhibit. Now at shows you could set up a clothes line and do yours and Arnie's laundering daily. I could deliver this to Portland to you or on my way. Also you would get my "Preferred Customer" price. Charlie Bryant >From the woods of Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used on > MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/06 > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jul 8 08:55:43 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:55:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Your wrinkles need painting, Dave? On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was > used on MAYTAGS? > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rex002 at centurytel.net Sat Jul 8 15:19:33 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:19:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000501c6a2dc$97acd8f0$6400a8c0@home> Dave; I got my wrinkle paint from Farm & Fleet , don't know if they have stores in Pa. but I think most auto parts carry it for restoring valve covers on some older automobiles . Anyway I used Plasticoat , if you have an oven in which to heat up the project so the paint wrinkles your in luck if not a heat gun works well , I hung my parts on wire about chest level and used the heat gun to preheat the castings then put a heavy coat of the paint on and dried the paint with the heat gun it worked great but a little more labor intensive , you will see the paint wrinkle right before your eyes ,a light coat of paint wont wrinkle so Practice with a sample piece first then move to the project , If your doing a Maytag try to keep the paint off the Axe handle , also if the handle of the heat gun gets too warm for your hands a cold Ole Mil with in reach should solve the problem. Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used > on MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Jul 8 21:54:48 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:54:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <000f01c6a313$ce030b90$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> I just received word that Ralph Waters passed away at 12:15 A.M. this morning from terminal lung cancer diagnosed as such just 4 or 5 days ago. He was in the hospital one week. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 04:16:56 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:16:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com><009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM><6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060707210832.03f12e98@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004701c6a349$31495f30$cef04c0c@D48VHZ61> Heres an alternative to making a piston from a casting--especially if you have to make the casting. Try making one out of a solid chunk of cast iron. the only draw back I see would be having to relieve all the material between the bosses where rod goes---probably go a little slow having to use "extended" tooling. May not be real practical on big pistons but on the little ones it should be faster than having to go through the process of making castings-----unless you just want to do it. Then again, it's simpler to just go buy a good engine than to restore a worn out basket case-----unless you just want to do it. John Hall From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 04:57:34 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <004701c6a349$31495f30$cef04c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <20060709115734.3260.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, The reason this guy wants to restore this engine is it was boughten by his great grandfather new in 1911 and has been in the family every since. So I can see why he wants to keep it and restore it. I'm waiting for a response from him with bore dimentions so we can see just how much it is worn, then deside what to do. There are several choises and he will look at all of them before making a decission. Thanks to all that has responded. Once I get the information I'll post them and we can go from there. Ron John Hall wrote: Heres an alternative to making a piston from a casting--especially if you have to make the casting. Try making one out of a solid chunk of cast iron. the only draw back I see would be having to relieve all the material between the bosses where rod goes---probably go a little slow having to use "extended" tooling. May not be real practical on big pistons but on the little ones it should be faster than having to go through the process of making castings-----unless you just want to do it. Then again, it's simpler to just go buy a good engine than to restore a worn out basket case-----unless you just want to do it. John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-897500626-1152446254=:1539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
John,
The reason this guy wants to restore this engine is it was boughten by his great grandfather new in 1911 and has been in the family every since. So I can see why he wants to keep it and restore it. I'm waiting for a response from him with bore dimentions so we can see just how much it is worn, then deside what to do. There are several choises  and he will look at all of them before making a decission.
Thanks to all that has responded. Once I get the information I'll post them and we can go from there.
Ron

John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Heres an alternative to making a piston from a casting--especially if you
have to make the casting. Try making one out of a solid chunk of cast iron.
the only draw back I see would be having to relieve all the material between
the bosses where rod goes---probably go a little slow having to use
"extended" tooling. May not be real practical on big pistons but on the
little ones it should be faster than having to go through the process of
making castings-----unless you just want to do it. Then again, it's simpler
to just go buy a good engine than to restore a worn out basket
case-----unless you just want to do it.

John Hall


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How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From mickdema at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 04:58:28 2006 From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <000f01c6a313$ce030b90$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <20060709115828.66426.qmail@web39110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is a sad day indeed. Ralph was one of the best he did so much to promote our hobby. Whether it be a newcomer like myself or an old pro, Ralph was always there to lend a hand. He will be missed. Mick DeMaria --- Charles R Bryant wrote: > I just received word that Ralph Waters passed away > at 12:15 A.M. > this morning from terminal lung cancer diagnosed as > such just > 4 or 5 days ago. He was in the hospital one week. > > Charlie Bryant > Jay, Maine> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Jul 9 05:05:19 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:05:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <001101c6a34f$f294a6d0$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Ralph Waters passed away at 12:15 A.M. this morning. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 9 05:48:12 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:48:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> A few of engine videos Message-ID: <20060709124813.RXDS3114.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> After a couple of weekends helping Ron haul some of his recent purchases home, today was an engine running day. I will add some pictures later in the week but for now here are some short videos (each is about 1.5mb). First is the 6hp throttle governed Famous, we ran it for about 6 hours (it took about 2 hours to burn off the excess oil from years of short runs): http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070901.AVI This one is a 5A Olds, a sweet runner: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070903.AVI This one is a 1906 6.5hp Blackstone, a little hard to start but nice once running: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070902.AVI Last and certainly not least is the 1905 10hp Blackstone, an easy starter and a lovely original engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070904.AVI We also fired up a couple of Australs for good measure. I was having so much fun with the Famous and the Blackstones I completely forget to give one of my own engines a run :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jul 9 09:09:23 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:09:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <000f01c6a313$ce030b90$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <200607091609.k69G9X6R058843@mail-gw.fsr.net> To Charlie and all of Ralph's friends and family, we extend our sincere condolences. Saying goodbye is never easy, but one should take comfort in remembering that Ralph's illness was mercifully brief. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R Bryant Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:55 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters I just received word that Ralph Waters passed away at 12:15 A.M. this morning from terminal lung cancer diagnosed as such just 4 or 5 days ago. He was in the hospital one week. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine From nick at holden1.net Sun Jul 9 12:22:53 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:22:53 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally Message-ID: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B> Just back from a good weekend at the Burford Rally Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 14:08:02 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:08:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <20060709115828.66426.qmail@web39110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709115828.66426.qmail@web39110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B17032.9060602@scrtc.com> Sad news indeed Mick. I first met Ralph about 20 years ago at the Dublin, NH show. I always enjoyed chatting with him and he'll be missed by those who knew him. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > This is a sad day indeed. Ralph was one of the best >he did so much to promote our hobby. Whether it be a >newcomer like myself or an old pro, Ralph was always >there to lend a hand. > He will be missed. > > Mick DeMaria > > > > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 9 16:01:57 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> A few of engine videos References: <20060709124813.RXDS3114.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001301c6a3ab$aed927c0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for the videos Patrick. They look terrific. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> A few of engine videos > After a couple of weekends helping Ron haul some of his recent purchases > home, today was an engine running day. I will add some pictures later in the > week but for now here are some short videos (each is about 1.5mb). > First is the 6hp throttle governed Famous, we ran it for about 6 hours (it > took about 2 hours to burn off the excess oil from years of short runs): > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070901.AVI > > This one is a 5A Olds, a sweet runner: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070903.AVI > > This one is a 1906 6.5hp Blackstone, a little hard to start but nice once > running: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070902.AVI > > Last and certainly not least is the 1905 10hp Blackstone, an easy starter > and a lovely original engine: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070904.AVI > > We also fired up a couple of Australs for good measure. I was having so much > fun with the Famous and the Blackstones I completely forget to give one of > my own engines a run :( > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 9 16:17:32 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:17:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally References: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Looked like a good rally. Thanks for sharing the photos. Really liked the engine in picture number 5, What is it? Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally Just back from a good weekend at the Burford Rally Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 9 17:12:39 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:12:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally References: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B> <002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000a01c6a3b5$901410c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Petter Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Burford Rally > Looked like a good rally. Thanks for sharing the photos. Really liked > the > engine in picture number 5, What is it? > > Ron > Canberra > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Holden" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally > > > Just back from a good weekend at the Burford > Rally > Photos on webshots > > Nick > Banbury (UK) > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 17:51:18 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:51:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron Message-ID: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jul 9 18:00:07 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:00:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 In-Reply-To: <002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000301c6a3bc$31a7d6a0$af00a8c0@sheeba> Two items, one mag related, the other buzz ignition related. 1. The Bosch mag on my MF 1.5 hp mudpump has finally quit sparking. I think it's an AB33 or something man I am getting old and can't remember stuff 8 hours any more. It runs via a trip finger on a pin/roller on the cam. Who works on these - anyone recommend a GOOD mag person I can send this Bosch mag to? 2. To get the engine running for Waukee without the mag working, I made a wood block to fit in place of the mag and rigged a wire through the block to trip on the same pin that tripped the mag finger. This triggers one of those "buzz coils" made using a car coil and a "kit" (turns a car coil into a buzz coil). Makes for a real hot buzz coil setup. Anyway, it's wires like any other buzz coil setup, the system grounds when the wire contacts the roller/pin on the cam, however, I note that sparks fly from the wire and cam pin. I wonder - can that arcing be reduced or taken care of using a condensor? Would it still function? It sort of is a concern as should a bit of gas be in the area, well............ Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 9 18:16:21 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Message-ID: <20060709.212438.1192.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe; I was lucky enough to find the engine and mechanism pictures on the Library of Congress website. = = = = = Cheater - - - ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Jul 9 18:29:00 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:29:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron Message-ID: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> Hey Tommy, That Hagan is a big engine, I sure would like to see it, would there be any chance you would bring it to the SIAM show. What was it used for in an orange grove? 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From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 18:35:32 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:35:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <20060709115734.3260.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c6a3c1$24e59880$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Nothing like family iron. We are fortunate to have a few pieces of it. Those are the pieces that you generally don't count your time or money when working on. Seond best to that is iron that you got from friends and neighbors and were able to get a history with it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > John, > The reason this guy wants to restore this engine is it was boughten by > his great grandfather new in 1911 and has been in the family every since. > So I can see why he wants to keep it and restore it. I'm waiting for a > response from him with bore dimentions so we can see just how much it is > worn, then deside what to do. There are several choises and he will look > at all of them before making a decission. > Thanks to all that has responded. Once I get the information I'll post > them and we can go from there. > Ron > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 9 18:38:57 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:38:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I like that! John On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and > has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 18:47:56 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:47:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005d01c6a3c2$dfdf15c0$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Great find! Never heard of a Hagan, are there others known to exist? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron >I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and > has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years > ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through > 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, > you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I > have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it > home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by > the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it > going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which > one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with > Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when > Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner > who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if > I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. > Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place > it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the > small photos and they'll enlarge. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 9 18:51:53 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:51:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally References: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B><002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <000a01c6a3b5$901410c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00b301c6a3c3$6ba4f200$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Reg Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Burford Rally > Petter > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Burford Rally > > > > Looked like a good rally. Thanks for sharing the photos. Really liked > > the > > engine in picture number 5, What is it? > > > > Ron > > Canberra > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Holden" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally > > > > > > Just back from a good weekend at the Burford > > Rally > > Photos on webshots > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 18:52:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:52:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> Message-ID: <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> Bill, I'm not sure that I'll ever get the chance to take it to a show due to its size and weight (probably around 12 K). That is, unless the show is at my place..... I assume it was probably used as part of an irrigation or pumping system. Not sure though and this is a guess. Other than KY, Florida was the primary sales location of Hagan's. In fact, one of their jobbers, J.P. Campbell, sold so many that they let him put his own name on the engines. I have a 2 HP here and the tag says, rather than Hagan, "J.P. Campbell, Jacksonville, Florida". I don't know if Campbell sold the big 50 or not but I would bet there is a good chance his company did. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hey Tommy, > >That Hagan is a big engine, I sure would like to see it, would there be any >chance you would bring it to the SIAM show. What was it used for in an orange >grove? > >Bill Miller. > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 9 18:41:42 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:41:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Message-ID: <20060709.220701.1000.4.jlb94@juno.com> The MAYTAG Wrinkle Paint Wharehouse ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jul 9 19:13:16 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:13:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 Message-ID: <31356638.1152497596941.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> > > 2. To get the engine running for Waukee without the mag working, I made a > wood block to fit in place of the mag and rigged a wire through the block to > trip on the same pin that tripped the mag finger. This triggers one of those > "buzz coils" made using a car coil and a "kit" (turns a car coil into a buzz > coil). Makes for a real hot buzz coil setup. > Anyway, it's wires like any other buzz coil setup, the system grounds when > the wire contacts the roller/pin on the cam, however, I note that sparks fly > from the wire and cam pin. > I wonder - can that arcing be reduced or taken care of using a condensor? > Would it still function? > It sort of is a concern as should a bit of gas be in the area, > well............ Bill, you can try a "clamping diode". Find a diode, old alternator or Radio Shack. Install it between the wire and ground, use a test light to figure which way to put it. The diode should not flow current when in the circuit, won't light the light, reverse it if it does. The sparks are caused by reverse emf which is current flowing back the other way, if you have + hooked to the coil, the reverse emf will be coming back negative. The diode will flow the negative current to ground and prevent sparking. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Jul 9 19:19:42 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:19:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000401c6a3c7$5035a470$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, What a great addition to your nest of engines! I remember looking at this engine when we visited Terry while on tour back there in the fall of 2003. I was intreged by the rocker arm that opens the valves to each cylinder and the igniter trip rods. It could not have found a better home and as for finding a permanent place to set it.....I have lots of room! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 9 19:31:57 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:31:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004e01c6a3ca$ad7253b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Nice to see you are finally accepting old age and going to small engines! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron >I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has >2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at >Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons >in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, you'd go >broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I have a >neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home without >it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter >brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going and then >one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The >engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing >it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were >featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, Kentucky. >Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest in it. We worked >up a trade and I finally got it home. Terry had a real nice sub base >fabricated for it and I'm going to place it under the engine and find a >permanent place to set it. Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:10:02 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:10:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <003501c6a3c1$24e59880$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20060709115734.3260.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003501c6a3c1$24e59880$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607092010w2a7ba3efta4ef70365f18bdd4@mail.gmail.com> Dave, Please don't think that I am being arrogant or anything, all I am doing is basically agreeing with Curt. Where I was working for past 6 years is a machine shop with average machines at best. If I were given the job of machining say a 1.5hp Herc piston from a raw casting, I would have been reprimanded if it took more than 4 hours, that's just how long it should take for a piston of that size. Bigger piston may take an extra hour or two. In a home workshop it probably would take 8 or 10 hours or something but all I am saying is what I believe Curt is trying to say, and that is that a machine shop with the sufficient tools, to machine a small size piston like 1.5hp Hercules from a casting should take about 4 hours. Lesser machine shop and possibly experience will obviously increase time, as the time I am estimating would be for a qualified or experienced fitter/machinist. Hope this clarifies. Ben From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:26:57 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:26:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Machining a piston In-Reply-To: <005001c6a26d$afae5290$56c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <005001c6a26d$afae5290$56c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607092026v5242515bueb7f7d569bf1bb3b@mail.gmail.com> My comments on machining a piston which was only agreeing with Curt, were not for doing it in your own shed at home but, as I wrote, in a machine shop with appropriate tools and an experienced fiter/machininst. I am not being a 'smart arse', just, as far as thought, joining in a friendly chat about machining and hoping that any experience I do have can be helpful to those who excel in other areas. For example, I have little experience in painting of engines and can only do an average job at best so when people who are painters or have vast experience at painting give their opinion, I listen. My aim when joining this list was to gain information and where possible, provide a little. I apologise if my previous comments have come across as arrogant at all, as this is the last opinion I want people to have of me. So if that is the case, I will work on my communication skills in this area. Thanks again, Ben ------=_Part_94023_32786909.1152502017114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My comments on machining a piston which was only agreeing with Curt, were not for doing it in your own shed at home but, as I wrote, in a machine shop with appropriate tools and an experienced fiter/machininst. I am not being a 'smart arse', just, as far as thought, joining in a friendly chat about machining and hoping that any experience I do have can be helpful to those who excel in other areas.

For example, I have little experience in painting of engines and can only do an average job at best so when people who are painters or have vast experience at painting give their opinion, I listen.

My aim when joining this list was to gain information and where possible, provide a little. I apologise if my previous comments have come across as arrogant at all, as this is the last opinion I want people to have of me. So if that is the case, I will work on my communication skills in this area.

Thanks again,
Ben


From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jul 9 20:33:13 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint In-Reply-To: <000501c6a2dc$97acd8f0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20060710033316.DB53A627828@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> eastwood, walmart, a lot of places carry the crinkle black now. I'm going to powdercoat my next one - should hold up since they don't run very hot (when at all) you can get crinkle/wrinkle black powdercoat. It's a bit more pricy and you might have to explain putting a maytag in the oven........... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 5:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Dave; I got my wrinkle paint from Farm & Fleet , don't know if they have stores in Pa. but I think most auto parts carry it for restoring valve covers on some older automobiles . Anyway I used Plasticoat , if you have an oven in which to heat up the project so the paint wrinkles your in luck if not a heat gun works well , I hung my parts on wire about chest level and used the heat gun to preheat the castings then put a heavy coat of the paint on and dried the paint with the heat gun it worked great but a little more labor intensive , you will see the paint wrinkle right before your eyes ,a light coat of paint wont wrinkle so Practice with a sample piece first then move to the project , If your doing a Maytag try to keep the paint off the Axe handle , also if the handle of the heat gun gets too warm for your hands a cold Ole Mil with in reach should solve the problem. Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used > on MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 20:58:36 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:58:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000401c6a3c7$5035a470$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000401c6a3c7$5035a470$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44B1D06C.9050106@scrtc.com> Thanks Wayne. Yup, I'm sure you looked at it at Terry's place in '03. Its about time you guys did that again. I know you have room and would give it a good home but it would certainly get homesick for KY since it was born here! Talk with you again soon. Tommy Turner >Tommy, > >What a great addition to your nest of engines! I remember looking at this >engine when we visited Terry while on tour back there in the fall of 2003. I >was intreged by the rocker arm that opens the valves to each cylinder and >the igniter trip rods. It could not have found a better home and as for >finding a permanent place to set it.....I have lots of room! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 21:09:14 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:09:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <005d01c6a3c2$dfdf15c0$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> <005d01c6a3c2$dfdf15c0$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <44B1D2EA.8070406@scrtc.com> Yeah John, there are a few single cylinders around as well as 3 two cylinders.. I know of nearly everyone that's out there and the single cylinders total about 30. As far as the two clyinders, I have a 20 HP and the big 50 and Mike Leet of TX has a 30. They were built in Winchester, KY and their unique feature is the carb set up. A brass chain is used as the fuel pump by virtue of it to dipping in the fuel and carrying it up to a slide valve mechanism in the carb. They were headless and didn't use gaskets as all joints were "ground to fit" as their literature said. Both valves were actuated via a double lobe cam and then a rockshaft transferred the energy of the cam to the valves. The 50 is the 14th Hagan I've got so I kind of like them! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Great find! > Never heard of a Hagan, are there others known to exist? > > John > From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 9 21:21:27 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:21:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Photos In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a3d8$5100ace0$2ab85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> I'd like to thank all the list members who take their time to post photos. I'm disabled and it is very hard for me to get out and go to the different shows that there are. I enjoy the photos that are posted and I save every one to a CD so that I can go back from time to time and enjoy them. Again thanks to every one that makes my day a little brighter. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jul 9 21:21:02 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:21:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. I'm going to reveal my ignorance about gigantic engines by saying I'm curious about the fuel consumption. Granted, that huge displacement is going to suck in a whole bunch of fuel, but should it take that much just to overcome friction and windage? I once helped run a 35 h.p. Superior at a show and it seemed to be rather thrifty, running on propane. BTW, an acquaintance of mine built a Hagan model. Wow, what a contrast in size! Wayne, the valve operation intrigued me, too. Those old-timers could be clever. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Snip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Jul 9 22:04:06 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:04:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Orrin, You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:21 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] BIG Iron Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. I'm going to reveal my ignorance about gigantic engines by saying I'm curious about the fuel consumption. Granted, that huge displacement is going to suck in a whole bunch of fuel, but should it take that much just to overcome friction and windage? I once helped run a 35 h.p. Superior at a show and it seemed to be rather thrifty, running on propane. BTW, an acquaintance of mine built a Hagan model. Wow, what a contrast in size! Wayne, the valve operation intrigued me, too. Those old-timers could be clever. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Snip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jul 9 22:55:35 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:55:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron Message-ID: <564.1463f9a.31e345d7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/9/2006 10:07:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel Hi List, This posting intrigued me on how a chain could get fuel to the carburetor. As a result, I found this article in the GEM archives on the Hagan. 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From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 04:09:30 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:09:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <564.1463f9a.31e345d7@aol.com> References: <564.1463f9a.31e345d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <44B2356A.6090404@scrtc.com> Francis, I wrote that a a few years ago for GEM. The carb catalog cuts give a good idea of how the chain and carb worked. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >In a message dated 7/9/2006 10:07:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: > >Did you by chance >get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel > > >Hi List, >This posting intrigued me on how a chain could get fuel to the carburetor. As a result, I found this article in the GEM archives on the Hagan. Within this article there is a drawing of Hagan fuel system. > >_http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/complete-archive/6570_ >(http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/complete-archive/6570) > >The drawing helped me understand how it was accomplished. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 04:18:51 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:18:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy, Another beautiful hunk of iron for the Magnolia Old Iron Museum! It looks like the pistons are in the same relative position in the cylinder so does this mean that the engine fires "evenly" with one hit every revolution (unlike a John Deere tractor with an uneven "dead" revolution)? If so, how is the balance of the engine? I guess that's the reason for the big counter weights on the crank throws. So how 'bout that show at the Magnolia Old Iron Museum? See ya', Mike From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jul 10 04:21:04 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:21:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Tommy this may be a dumb question. Does it fire both cylinders together. Or do they fire one on power and other on its exhaust stroke. Nice BIG engine R Fink PA At 08:51 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has >2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago >at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 >gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, >you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I >have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home >without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the >McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going >and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it >was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf >purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built >engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in >Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest >in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. >Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place it >under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the small >photos and they'll enlarge. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 04:24:09 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:24:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44B238D9.9030901@scrtc.com> Wayne, I've heard of people doing that with results in the engine speed. I would suspicion that would work though only if the slide valve in the carb is worn and allows fuel to "seep" around the mechanism. Theoretically, if the slide valve is working correctly it wouldn't matter how much fuel (as long as it was sufficient to run the engine) reached the carb as the slide would regulate it. I have heard tales of old engine running days where they couldn't get enough fuel to the engine. They would take the chain and intertwine a cotton string through it. The cotton would absorb the gas and help carry a greater quantity to the carb. I have had more luck regulating the speed of the Hagan's via adjustment of the intake valve than the chains. However, each engine has a personality and whatever it takes to make one go the way you want it to is what has to be done. I've thought about bringing one to Portland again this year (I brought one there 3 years ago). Haven't totally decided what to bring though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Orrin, > >You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 10 04:57:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, Ya know this is probably how the show at Coolspring got started? Take one awesome engine collection, add mates with engines, and voila, awesome show. So, what date do you have in mind for the first annual Tommy Turner engine show? See ya, Arnie PS - Next we need to figger out a clever name for the show. PPS - And we can use this opportunity to introduce the American engine world to a brilliant facet of the English engine rallys; the BEER TENT. I'm happy to step forward as lead consultant on the ale selection. 8-)) Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > I'm not sure that I'll ever get the chance to take it to a show due > to its size and weight (probably around 12 K). That is, unless the show > is at my place..... From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 10 04:58:50 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 In-Reply-To: <31356638.1152497596941.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> References: <31356638.1152497596941.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> Message-ID: <1477.165.206.180.19.1152532730.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Here's an image of what I've got - where would you place the diode? http://antique-engines.com/images/fm-ignition.JPG The wood block is the same size as the Bosch mag, I drilled down through it, aimed a wire at the pin on the cam when the piston was just prior to TDC, can adjust by bending the wire which is bronze brazing rod - it's tough, flexible/springy but can be bent to shape. The block clamps in exactly how the mag did. I put a terminal on the block on the same screw that holds the trigger wire in place in its hole. The image link above is how it's wired now (and the engine runs like a champ, meaning all prior issues with missing, etc. was ignition related - which is what I suspected all these years but never took time to prove.) Bill > >> >> 2. To get the engine running for Waukee without the mag working, I made >> a >> wood block to fit in place of the mag and rigged a wire through the >> block to >> trip on the same pin that tripped the mag finger. This triggers one of >> those >> "buzz coils" made using a car coil and a "kit" (turns a car coil into a >> buzz >> coil). Makes for a real hot buzz coil setup. >> Anyway, it's wires like any other buzz coil setup, the system grounds >> when >> the wire contacts the roller/pin on the cam, however, I note that sparks >> fly >> from the wire and cam pin. >> I wonder - can that arcing be reduced or taken care of using a >> condensor? >> Would it still function? >> It sort of is a concern as should a bit of gas be in the area, >> well............ > Bill, you can try a "clamping diode". Find a diode, old alternator or > Radio Shack. Install it between the wire and ground, use a test light to > figure which way to put it. The diode should not flow current when in the > circuit, won't light the light, reverse it if it does. The sparks are > caused by reverse emf which is current flowing back the other way, if you > have + hooked to the coil, the reverse emf will be coming back negative. > The diode will flow the negative current to ground and prevent sparking. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 10 05:57:04 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 5:57:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 Message-ID: <7473476.1152536224492.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> ---- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Here's an image of what I've got - where would you place the diode? > > http://antique-engines.com/images/fm-ignition.JPG > Bill, anywhere on the negative side of the coil to ground. If you put it backwards the coil will fire continously. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 10 06:36:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:36:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 10. Re: United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1152538606.44b257eef0ee1@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tony, Quoting Tony Pitts : > Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369). Can't be in the market for > one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. As Tommy said they can be hard to find and pretty pricy when you do find one. There are two main styles of these mags; one with a cast bronze body and one with a cast zinc (or potmetal?) one. My 3-1/2 hp United (T/G, gas/kero) has the bronze body mag. I've been told there can be significant cracking problems with the other ones. > It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though. > Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do. heh-heh-heh. Methinks he doth protest too much... (I wonder why?) A good while back I had sent him an email on an engine he had listed on eBay letting him know that his use of the "private bidder" feature would cause me to not bid although I would have had it been an open auction. I told him that his stated "reasons" for choosing the private bidder method were bogus and that all he was interested in was maximizing his selling price. Fair enough, I told him, nothing at all wrong with being a greedy bastard, that is after all why eBay exists and why we put things up for sale. You may recall another eBay seller who switched to private bidders when folks were telling his bidders that they could get Wendel's reprint BYB for $50 from Wendel when the seller had listed it at $100 and was making sales well over that price. I pointed out that another approach that some greedy bastard sellers use is to have shill bidders run up the price on an auction. I described how a potential bidder can easily spot this, but NOT if the bidders are hidden. He replied "but look at my feedback" that clearly PROVES I don't use shill bidders. Right... All it shows is that the winning bidders were happy with the transaction. They might have been even happier if a shill bidder hadn't run the price up (but there was no way for them, or anyone else, to know, was there?). In the unlikely event that a shill bidder wins, I'd wager he'd leave FANTASTIC feedback... 8-)) Needless to say, this seller seems to be overly sensitive to the notion of using shill bidders. This sensitivity seems to be a shared characteristic among those who choose to run private bidder auctions. But as long as they choose to keep things hidden, you just need to trust 'em. Or not... As for me, I won't bid on private auctions. And that's the "rest of the story." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 06:42:31 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:42:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060710093756.04039c08@mail.alltel.net> At 12:21 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. >Regards, >Orrin Hi Orrin, Beautiful women from all across our great nation have been telling Tommy that for years--but I suspect this is the first time he has been told that by a man! Dave From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Jul 10 06:47:14 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:47:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <200607101347.k6ADlOTg025726@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wayne, yes I got to see Lauren's collection along with his Western that's a smaller version of your big one at Brooks. I must have missed his Hagan, however. There was far too much to see and absorb in just an hour, or two. That chain arrangement is probably the reason the twin takes so much fuel. It certainly doesn't lend itself to fine-tuning the mixture. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:04 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] BIG Iron Orrin, You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:21 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] BIG Iron Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. I'm going to reveal my ignorance about gigantic engines by saying I'm curious about the fuel consumption. Granted, that huge displacement is going to suck in a whole bunch of fuel, but should it take that much just to overcome friction and windage? I once helped run a 35 h.p. Superior at a show and it seemed to be rather thrifty, running on propane. BTW, an acquaintance of mine built a Hagan model. Wow, what a contrast in size! Wayne, the valve operation intrigued me, too. Those old-timers could be clever. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Snip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 07:56:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:56:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44B26AB8.8060607@scrtc.com> You're right Michael, one piston is on power and the other on exhaust. The counter weights balance it out. My smaller 2 cylinder has the throw 180 degress out which means it would run like a JD, power, power, exhaust, exhaust and then repeat the process. As for the Magnolia Old Iron Museum, one of these days..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > > Another beautiful hunk of iron for the Magnolia Old Iron Museum! It > looks like the pistons are in the same relative position in the > cylinder so does this mean that the engine fires "evenly" with one hit > every revolution (unlike a John Deere tractor with an uneven "dead" > revolution)? If so, how is the balance of the engine? I guess that's > the reason for the big counter weights on the crank throws. > > So how 'bout that show at the Magnolia Old Iron Museum? > > See ya', > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 07:57:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:57:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <44B26AED.3040107@scrtc.com> Richard, Ones on power and the other is on exhaust. It makes the engine sound real nice. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy this may be a dumb question. Does it fire both cylinders > together. Or do they fire one on power and other on its exhaust > stroke. Nice BIG engine > R Fink > PA > > > > > At 08:51 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >> I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan >> and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine >> 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, >> going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long >> at a show ($$$$, you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of >> the flywheels. I have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I >> couldn't have gotten it home without it. This engine was found in >> Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter brothers and it had been >> in an orange grove. They got it going and then one of the brothers >> died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The engines were >> sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I >> ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were >> featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, >> Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest >> in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. >> Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to >> place it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. >> Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 08:03:00 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <44B26C24.80309@scrtc.com> Hey Arnie, retirement has to come first as I wouldn't have time to make a go of anything until then. I've got 20 acres where my dad's old machine shop was located that I might try to have a get together at some day. Old iron, some barbecue, and what ever else you folks would like..... could be fun. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy, > >Ya know this is probably how the show at Coolspring got started? Take one >awesome engine collection, add mates with engines, and voila, awesome show. > >So, what date do you have in mind for the first annual Tommy Turner engine >show? > >See ya, Arnie > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 10 08:49:10 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:49:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B26C24.80309@scrtc.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> <44B26C24.80309@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1152546550.44b276f6f1731@webmail.city-net.com> I hear ya on that retirement thing bro. Dave has been setting a good example. Oh, one minor correction on your post. It should read... "WOULD be fun!" Can't wait for the announcement of the first annual Magnolia Olde Iron Festival. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Hey Arnie, retirement has to come first as I wouldn't have time to make > a go of anything until then. I've got 20 acres where my dad's old > machine shop was located that I might try to have a get together at some > day. Old iron, some barbecue, and what ever else you folks would > like..... could be fun. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Jul 10 08:50:58 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:50:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B238D9.9030901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000401c6a438$a4bad7b0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, It would be nice to see one run. I have seen a few Hagan's, but never had the opportunity to see one run. I'll be looking forward to Portland with the hopes of seeing one running. Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:24 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG Iron Wayne, I've heard of people doing that with results in the engine speed. I would suspicion that would work though only if the slide valve in the carb is worn and allows fuel to "seep" around the mechanism. Theoretically, if the slide valve is working correctly it wouldn't matter how much fuel (as long as it was sufficient to run the engine) reached the carb as the slide would regulate it. I have heard tales of old engine running days where they couldn't get enough fuel to the engine. They would take the chain and intertwine a cotton string through it. The cotton would absorb the gas and help carry a greater quantity to the carb. I have had more luck regulating the speed of the Hagan's via adjustment of the intake valve than the chains. However, each engine has a personality and whatever it takes to make one go the way you want it to is what has to be done. I've thought about bringing one to Portland again this year (I brought one there 3 years ago). Haven't totally decided what to bring though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Orrin, > >You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Jul 10 09:12:58 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:12:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <1152546550.44b276f6f1731@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000501c6a43b$b7a11210$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Arnie, The correction should read....."WILL be fun!!" Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:49 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG Iron I hear ya on that retirement thing bro. Dave has been setting a good example. Oh, one minor correction on your post. It should read... "WOULD be fun!" Can't wait for the announcement of the first annual Magnolia Olde Iron Festival. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Hey Arnie, retirement has to come first as I wouldn't have time to make > a go of anything until then. I've got 20 acres where my dad's old > machine shop was located that I might try to have a get together at some > day. Old iron, some barbecue, and what ever else you folks would > like..... could be fun. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 11:04:58 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:04:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000401c6a438$a4bad7b0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000401c6a438$a4bad7b0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44B296CA.3020702@scrtc.com> Wayne, I've got a 3 HP and maybe I'll bring it. Its in original condition, has the water pump and friction drive mag, etc. It runs nice as well. I had thought about bringing the Callahan but I'd have to dig it out and do some tinkering on it. All I have to do with the Hagan is load it up (sounds better all the time). We'll see you no matter what old iron I drag to Portland. Tommy >Tommy, > >It would be nice to see one run. I have seen a few Hagan's, but never had >the opportunity to see one run. I'll be looking forward to Portland with the >hopes of seeing one running. > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 10 12:13:06 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:13:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... Message-ID: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> The weekend was a very productive one, spent sandblasted all day on a IHC cart to place the 5HP Alamo engine on. It's too heavy and it's got to be on wheels for me to handle it. Someday I'll find a correct Bentendorf cart...... The cart is really in excellent shape with so little rust to the main rails, that for the first time, I found some numbers stamped on the inside of a rail. I've not seen this on other IHC carts.....perhaps I simply didn't notice or maybe it was rusted away. I'm guessing this is a date code. It is stamped on the inside of the left rail at the front. Here is a picture of it after sandblasting and in primer. I'm guessing this is the 16th day of Feb, 1906??? What do the IHC gurus think? Is this a common mark on IHC carts? Finds like this always bring up fond memories of John Hammick.....he'd have known. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 13:12:58 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:12:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> References: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> Curt, What type IH cart do you have? I might trade you a Bettendorf for it. I think I have a use for the Bettendorfs I've got but I could use an IH cart also. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > The weekend was a very productive one, spent sandblasted all day on a > IHC cart to place the 5HP Alamo engine on. It's too heavy and it's got > to be on wheels for me to handle it. Someday I'll find a correct > Bentendorf cart...... > > The cart is really in excellent shape with so little rust to the main > rails, that for the first time, I found some numbers stamped on the > inside of a rail. I've not seen this on other IHC carts.....perhaps I > simply didn't notice or maybe it was rusted away. > > I'm guessing this is a date code. It is stamped on the inside of the > left rail at the front. Here is a picture of it after sandblasting and > in primer. > > > I'm guessing this is the 16th day of Feb, 1906??? What do the IHC > gurus think? > Is this a common mark on IHC carts? Finds like this always bring up > fond memories of John Hammick.....he'd have known. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 14:17:59 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:17:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> References: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: >What type IH cart do you have? I might trade you a Bettendorf for it. Curt, I bet at this point you could care less what those numbers on your IHC cart mean :-)! -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jul 10 14:32:52 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:32:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] monitor vj Message-ID: <000601c6a468$7a9d96e0$f0ac2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi guys, Restoration of the vj pumping set is almost complete but I have a minor detail to sort out first , could anyone advise me about a date of manufacture. The serial number is 45394. Thanks in advance , Craig in a very sunny Scotland From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jul 10 18:58:32 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:58:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B26AED.3040107@scrtc.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060710185818.01b10100@mail.pennswoods.net> Tanks At 10:57 AM 7/10/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Richard, > Ones on power and the other is on exhaust. It makes the engine sound > real nice. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>Tommy this may be a dumb question. Does it fire both cylinders together. >>Or do they fire one on power and other on its exhaust stroke. Nice BIG engine >>R Fink >>PA >> >> >> >> >>At 08:51 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and >>>has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years >>>ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through >>>5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, >>>you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I >>>have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it >>>home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by >>>the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it >>>going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which >>>one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with >>>Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when >>>Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner >>>who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if >>>I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. >>>Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place >>>it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. >>>Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Jul 10 16:35:00 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:35:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] monitor vj References: <000601c6a468$7a9d96e0$f0ac2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000601c6a479$76fd07d0$6400a8c0@home> Hi Craig ; Here is a Link to Patrick M Livingstone's site it has some of the Baker Monitor dates listed , Isn't it great to be able to find what your looking for because some other collectors is willing to share , Hope this helps http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/littlemonitor2.html Rex Hinz How can you have one too many if you can't remember how many you have had ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [SEL] monitor vj > Hi guys, > Restoration of the vj pumping set is almost complete but I have > a minor detail to sort out first , could anyone advise me about a date of > manufacture. > The serial number is 45394. > > Thanks in advance , > Craig in a very sunny Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 10 18:00:50 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:00:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz Message-ID: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> For Joe. Your server is not accepting mail from me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Jul 10 20:30:38 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:30:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> OK Just what exactly is a Bettendorf truck? Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... > > Curt, > What type IH cart do you have? I might trade you a Bettendorf for > it. I think I have a use for the Bettendorfs I've got but I could use > an IH cart also. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 20:24:13 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:24:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz In-Reply-To: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060710232335.04188ec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Reg, There is a REASON for that! Dave At 09:00 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >For Joe. >Your server is not accepting mail from me. >Reg & Marg Ingold. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Jul 10 20:55:57 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:55:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] monitor vj References: <000601c6a468$7a9d96e0$f0ac2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000f01c6a49d$eaea4440$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Craig, I took a look at the serial number list in Wendel's notebook. The list stops at 44000, Aug. 13, 1934 but at least it gives you a hint of when it might have been made.. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [SEL] monitor vj Hi guys, Restoration of the vj pumping set is almost complete but I have a minor detail to sort out first , could anyone advise me about a date of manufacture. The serial number is 45394. Thanks in advance , Craig in a very sunny Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jul 10 21:40:20 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:40:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003501c6a4a4$1ef0fee0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I'm guessing this is a date code. It > is stamped on the inside of the > left rail at the front. Hey Curt, Since you're a bona-fide engine maker, do you put your name and date on the stuff you make? I try to remember to stamp, weld, or otherwise mark my creations. It's not like it's important, but I figure that 100 years from now, some collector might be interested. I know I'm interested when I see someone's stamps or initials in a machine or a tool. Rob From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 10 22:16:16 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz References: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20060710232335.04188ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <01ed01c6a4aa$64ec6f50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ive bin waitin fer a smartarse reply from you over this! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Joe Betz > Hi Reg, There is a REASON for that! > Dave > > At 09:00 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >>For Joe. >>Your server is not accepting mail from me. >>Reg & Marg Ingold. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jul 11 04:25:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:25:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <44B38AA0.8010609@scrtc.com> Dave, Bettendorf manufactured wheels, wagons, and engine trucks. They were located in Bettendorf, Iowa. Their all steel trucks were a bit more elaborate than most and were more costly. You found them under the more costly engines such as Columbus, Alamo, Ohio and Olds. The trucks are about as hard to find as the old engines. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >OK > >Just what exactly is a Bettendorf truck? > >Dave > > > > From shop at cccomm.net Tue Jul 11 05:13:47 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:13:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wendel References: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <44B38AA0.8010609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <007c01c6a4e3$76222b00$6401a8c0@Shop> Anybody know when Wendell's publisher is going to ship the new edition that was supposed to come out in late June? From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 11 07:24:10 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:24:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz Message-ID: <20060711.103200.992.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, Don't know what to say. Everything seems to be fine on this end. Juno is the only server I have. I don't have firewalls or spam filters. I'll see if there's anything I can do. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Jul 12 04:42:22 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:42:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine Message-ID: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 12 05:25:40 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:25:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine In-Reply-To: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <20060712122534.YVRB5695.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Looks nice Brock. A great find! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 12 05:42:46 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:42:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000301c6a5b0$ae4f5660$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "oldengine .org" ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield Hi Brock, I wish you Aussies wouldn't keep showing us how many Desirable English engines you have when they are as rare as rocking horse sh!t over here. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 12 07:13:54 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:13:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> See: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html Dave From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jul 12 07:42:24 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:42:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine In-Reply-To: <20060712122534.YVRB5695.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200607121442.k6CEgcU0053450@mail-gw.fsr.net> Brock, that's a dandy! I'm jealous. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. ~~~~~~~~ G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 12 07:51:36 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:51:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000301c6a5c2$ae17ed80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > See: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html > Dave Pish. It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 12 08:56:47 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:56:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <000301c6a5c2$ae17ed80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <000301c6a5c2$ae17ed80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <44B51BBF.5050605@scrtc.com> I've certainly seen litigation over much less. Since we are a "group" class action status would be in order.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > > >>See: >> >> >http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html > > >> Dave >> >> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 12 09:37:19 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:37:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <44B51BBF.5050605@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001001c6a5d1$7278b8e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I've certainly seen litigation over much > less. Since we are a "group" class action > status would be in order.... :-) I knew I could count on you, Tommy, to help figure out a way to finance my next engine. Rob P.S. That two cylinder Hagan sure is neat. From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Jul 12 10:15:23 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:15:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <001001c6a5d1$7278b8e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <001001c6a5d1$7278b8e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: >I knew I could count on you, Tommy, to help >figure out a way to finance my next engine. > >Rob > >P.S. >That two cylinder Hagan sure is neat. Rob, Are you trying to hint to Tommy that the 2 cylinder Hagan is YOUR next engine? Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jul 12 11:52:29 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:52:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <200607121600.k6CG03fS011662@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200607122056156.SM00460@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 12/07/2006, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:51:36 -0700 >From: "Rob Skinner" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution > > > See: >http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html > > Dave > > >Pish. It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine >List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:56:47 -0400 >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <44B51BBF.5050605 at scrtc.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >I've certainly seen litigation over much less. Since we are a "group" >class action status would be in order.... > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY We got Lawyers ??? Oh Shite - I'm outta hereL: Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 12 13:08:21 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:08:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine Message-ID: <432.5613680.31e6b0b5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:07:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brock at netspeed.com.au writes: << A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine >> Brock, Nice find! What does that baby weigh? It sure looks massive! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 12 13:11:51 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:11:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution Message-ID: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: << It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? >> Was it registered? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 12 13:12:33 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <200607122056156.SM00460@new.databak.co.za> References: <200607122056156.SM00460@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <44B557B1.7060305@imc-group.com> Jerry, As lawyers go, he's a pretty kewl lawyer! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jerry Evans wrote: > > We got Lawyers ??? > Oh Shite - I'm outta hereL: > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 12 14:03:40 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:03:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> References: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> At 04:11 PM 7/12/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: > ><< It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine > List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? >> > > >Was it registered? > >Tom Schmutz Yes, it is registered. I hold the copy rite of the SEL Logo! Dave PS, For those new LIST members w/out a clue see: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/atis_goodlogo.jpg and http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/SE_Logo.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 12 15:16:44 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:16:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005101c6a600$dd56ec70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Are you trying to hint to Tommy that >the 2 cylinder Hagan is YOUR next engine? Oops, that was SUPPOSED to be offlist. And I thought you, Mike, were more of a gentleman than to eavesdrop on an obviously private communiqu?. But to answer your question, no. I suspect it would take quite a bit of finesse to talk Tommy into parting with that baby. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 12 15:31:28 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:31:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> References: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <44B57840.70009@scrtc.com> Dave, Since this will be a Class Action, here is what we can expect. If we can get a settlement of say, $1,000,000 and there are 300 class action members, each of you can expect about $3.33. The numbers add up like this: $1,000,000 (Settlement Amount) - 500,000 (Attorney's Fees) - 350,000 (Expert Testimony, Affidavits, Damage Appraisals, etc) - 100,000 (Service costs, filing fees, transcripts, etc) - 49,000 (Attorney's travel costs --- will have to attend shows, swaps, and rallies around the world in a PR effort to draw attention to the damage claim) - 1,000 (Amount due Class Action Litigants divided by 300 = $3.33 each) __________ $1,000,000 I could be wrong as the amount to be distributed to the Class Action members could be a little high in my estimate. Hopefully each won't owe money in the end. All of my numbers depend on one important fact, that we get a Federal Judge in our Class Action Suit that doesn't know the difference between a Steam Engine and a Gas Engine (the SEL Logo is a Gas Engine while those we claim an infringement against are using a Steam Engine). I'm excited and ready to proceed! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Yes, it is registered. I hold the copy rite of the SEL Logo! > Dave > PS, For those new LIST members w/out a clue see: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/atis_goodlogo.jpg and > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/SE_Logo.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 12 16:11:53 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:11:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <44B57840.70009@scrtc.com> References: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> <44B57840.70009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44B581B9.6000101@scrtc.com> I made an error on my addition and subtraction as the bottom line would be zero and not $1,000,000. Also, remember that if the final settlement were to be say $2,000,000, just use the same percentages from the potential $1,000,000 settlement. In that scenario, each would get $6.66 or thereabout (possibly a bit less). Since Dave is the actual owner of the logo, I would think it a good gesture to give him two shares of the class payments. If this works out as envisioned, I will be purchasing several very nice hunks of iron over the next few years and will probably construct a building to hold a show at my place in the future. Each Class Action member would be invited and you could take your share of the settlement and purchase a gallon of gas to run your engine on at the show. Sorry, but I won't be furnishing gas as its too expensive...... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Dave, > Since this will be a Class Action, here is what we can expect. If > we can get a settlement of say, $1,000,000 and there are 300 class > action members, each of you can expect about $3.33. The numbers add > up like this: > > $1,000,000 (Settlement Amount) > - 500,000 (Attorney's Fees) > - 350,000 (Expert Testimony, Affidavits, Damage Appraisals, etc) > - 100,000 (Service costs, filing fees, transcripts, etc) > - 49,000 (Attorney's travel costs --- will have to attend shows, > swaps, and rallies around the world in a PR > effort to draw attention to the damage claim) > - 1,000 (Amount due Class Action Litigants divided by 300 = > $3.33 each) > __________ > $1,000,000 > I could be wrong as the amount to be distributed to the Class > Action members could be a little high in my estimate. Hopefully each > won't owe money in the end. All of my numbers depend on one important > fact, that we get a Federal Judge in our Class Action Suit that > doesn't know the difference between a Steam Engine and a Gas Engine > (the SEL Logo is a Gas Engine while those we claim an infringement > against are using a Steam Engine). > > I'm excited and ready to proceed! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Yes, it is registered. I hold the copy rite of the SEL Logo! > >> Dave >> PS, For those new LIST members w/out a clue see: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/atis_goodlogo.jpg and >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/SE_Logo.html >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 12 16:24:36 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:24:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine Message-ID: <004401c6a60a$583c52f0$8aec4c0c@D48VHZ61> Anyone belong to a club wanting a big steam engine? I know where one is sitting, disassembled. The flywheel is around 10 ft dia. It was originally installed as backup power at a hospital. I've tried to find local clubs interested but nobody wants it. I think the current owner is the state of NC, probably the department of education. I know its not a gas engine but I hate to see this thing turning into a bunch of new cars. If anyone is serious, contact me offlist and I'll tell you where it is and give you a couple of starter phone numbers to see how much of an ordeal purchasing it would be. John Hall From svsuzanne at copper.net Thu Jul 13 03:49:38 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:49:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine References: <004401c6a60a$583c52f0$8aec4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000c01c6a66a$0c6249b0$bda40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> John, can't find your off line address. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:24 PM Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine > > Anyone belong to a club wanting a big steam engine? I know where one is > sitting, disassembled. The flywheel is around 10 ft dia. It was originally > installed as backup power at a hospital. I've tried to find local clubs > interested but nobody wants it. I think the current owner is the state of > NC, probably the department of education. I know its not a gas engine but > I hate to see this thing turning into a bunch of new cars. > > > > If anyone is serious, contact me offlist and I'll tell you where it is and > give you a couple of starter phone numbers to see how much of an ordeal > purchasing it would be. > > John Hall > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/386 - Release Date: 7/12/2006 > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 13 05:42:11 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:42:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars Message-ID: Nice to know that these are alive and well.... My hometown...damn that would be fun!!! http://www.statesmanexaminer.com/ RickinMt. From oldironnut at alltel.net Thu Jul 13 06:20:04 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:20:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <005101c6a600$dd56ec70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <005101c6a600$dd56ec70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: > > Are you trying to hint to Tommy that >>the 2 cylinder Hagan is YOUR next engine? > >Oops, that was SUPPOSED to be offlist. That was your first mistake! > And I thought you, Mike, were more of a >gentleman than to eavesdrop on an >obviously private communiqu?. That was your second mistake! >But to answer your question, no. I suspect >it would take quite a bit of finesse to talk >Tommy into parting with that baby. At least you got that one right! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jul 13 07:00:41 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:00:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Help save some Australian Heritage from idiots - Save steam locomotive 3801 & Eveleigh Workshops in NSW - your voice will help! Message-ID: <44B65209.4020707@steamengine.com.au> Absolutely no apologies for this OT post... Locomotive 3801 and its train of historic carriages have been maintained and operated for the past 20 years by the 3801 Limited company. The company was established to restore locomotive 3801 and support its operation for the enjoyment of the people of NSW. Prior to its restoration, locomotive 3801 was stored unused and rusting in a museum. In November this year, the lease of locomotive 3801 from the State Rail Authority will end and it is scheduled to be returned to the museum to face an uncertain future. 3801.s heritage carriages are to be listed for disposal by State Rail and the Redfern home of 3801, the historic 1880.s built Large Erecting Shop, is planned to be demolished to make way for new high rise development. 3801 Limited has requested the State Government to renew its lease of locomotive 3801 and save its historic home so it can continue to care for locomotive 3801 and operate heritage rail tours. 3801 Limited needs your help to petition the State Government to extend the lease of locomotive 3801, save the historic Large Erecting shop from demolition and secure the operating future of its heritage trains from Sydney to regional and country areas. Visit http://www.steamengine.com.au/railways/mainline/save3801/index.html for more information. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From mickdema at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 13:25:01 2006 From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Service for Ralph Waters - A Message from the Waters Family Message-ID: <20060713202501.16078.qmail@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Ralph's daughter Linda asked me to forward this message on to his friends in the engine community at this sad time. Mick ----------------- Thank you all for your prayers , love and concern for me and my family. In times like this, it is a blessing to be loved and cared for by so many wonderful people. Ralph was a wonderful man and was blessed to have so many wonderful friends and family. May all our wonderful stories of times with Ralph make this time easier and keep him close to us in our hearts. Mick or Bill, please forward this information onto Russ and the rest of Ralph's engine friends. (thank you - From Linda) thank you all God Bless Love Wanda, Linda, Sheri and their families wandawat at earthlink.net -------------- Ralph E. Waters, 68, of New Sharon, ME formerly of 39 Elm Rd, Cromwell, CT passed away surrounded by his loving family at the Central Maine Medical Center on July 9, 2006 after short illness. The comfort and love he received from his family those final days touched him deeply and made him feel so loved. Born Nov. 29, 1937 in Middletown, CT, the son of late Emerson Ralph and Ally Teresa (Duckworth) Waters. Predeceased by a sister, Julia Carroll. Ralph worked at Jackson Corrugated Container for 30 years retiring in 1995 and moved to Maine and wintered in Florida. Ralph was the founder and lifetime member of the Tobacco Valley Flywheelers Club of Cromwell, CT. He enjoyed attending gasoline engine and tractor shows, searching for that special engine or tractor to take home. He enjoyed keeping in contact with everyone, especially to call his friends with news of a tractor or engine he just bought. He was a man that was always there for his friends and family with words of strength, wisdom and encouragement. His strength and love will be forever missed. He leaves his wife and love of his life of 48 years, Wanda (Granat) Waters of New Sharon, ME, two precious loving daughters Sheri and Gary Taylor (of ME), and Linda and Al Koch (of CT). Loved very much by his precious niece Sheila and Bob Oates, 6 treasured and loving grandchildren Wanda and Philip Schiche, Kenny and Nicole Taylor, Kayce and Steven Koch, great-grandson Stephen Fulner, 2 cherished God Children, Marvin Foreman and Jenna Marzano, a very special cousin Richard Waters, mother-in-law Frances (Richards) Granat, brother-in-law Bror and Beverly Granat, 3 sister-in-laws Edna and Ward Halloway, Anita and Rick Bengtson, and Sonja and Paul Sousa (and so many other special cousins, family and friends). A funeral service will be held July 22nd at 11 am at the First Congregational Church, 355 Main St., Cromwell, burial at the Cromwell Cemetery will follow. In lieu of flowers please make donations to The Arbor House or Central Maine Medical Center, Comfort Care Department, (both are at) 300 Main St, Lewiston, ME. 04240 or your favorite charity in his memory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gauto527 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:58:26 2006 From: gauto527 at hotmail.com (george maattala) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] spam Message-ID: please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time enough is enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Jul 13 18:26:02 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:26:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars References: Message-ID: <009901c6a6e4$78c10db0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Dontcha just luv em! Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars > Nice to know that these are alive and well.... > > My hometown...damn that would be fun!!! > > http://www.statesmanexaminer.com/ > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 13 18:41:25 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:41:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060713213915.04270800@mail.alltel.net> At 07:58 PM 7/13/2006, you wrote: >please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time >enough is enough >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Hi George, Sorry, once you are on SEL there is no way to get off. Dave PS, Have a good day! From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 19:39:11 2006 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Rex's Baker monitor now has a Baker Pump Oh Yea ! In-Reply-To: <44A3E753.8070301@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060714023911.97944.qmail@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Curt, et.al., My apologies for not replying sooner. Been trying to get a bunch of stuff done for the club. There is nothing in the serial number list or the list of engineering changes about the exact engine number or date of the change from red to grey, but it took place at some point in 1917. I would guess that the reason that they didn't record the date of the change is because it had no impact on the repair parts end of things. The whole reason for those wonderfull little leather bound books that they recorded the engine changes in was so that they could supply you with parts that would fit your engine. There are several reasons why you see more red ball hoppers than grey. First, during the "red years", 1905 - 1917, the ball hopper engines (2, 4, 6 & 7 hp type VJ) were the most popular Monitors built. As time went on, the ball hoppers lost market share to the Little Monitor (1 1/4 VJ) and the 3 and 5 HJ. There is another reason why you see more red ball hopper engines, and that is because most folks prefer red to grey. I have 2 4 and 7 hp VJ's in grey and 2, 4 & 6 in red. The 6 & 7 are the same, but went through a re-rating in November of 1912. The Little Monitor (1 1/4 VJ) and the 3 hp HJ were the last engines built by Baker. The last price list I have showing them is from 1943, but they were available from the Kansas City branch house into the 1950's, being set together from parts. While the last entry in the serial number list is 44,000 in 1934, there were a lot of engines built after that point. I would imagine that they stopped recording the numbers because no one really cared, there was little chance of changes or improvements and hence no reason for records. There are an awful lot of little changes that were made to the engines over the years that were not recorded in the engineering change listings. My limited experience has been that every answer brings with it two more questions! The tin disc on the end of the crankshaft is to keep your shirt or jacket sleeve from getting caught in the key or the governor spring. It was added to the engines about the same time that the little guard appears over the gears on the back of the engine. I can't remember the date and my monitor book is awol. If there ever was a water hopper lid for the little monitor, there is no record of it that I can find. No listing in the repair parts lists, no existing blueprint. With that said, there is nothing to keep you from casting up a nice water hopper lid. If you wanted to make a pattern, I could lend you one off one of my big engines or send copies of the prints and you could scale it. Anyway, sorry for not replying sooner, not been checking email lately. Once I get the showbook off to the printer, I will catch up on mail. Joe --- Curt wrote: > Joe, > Please tell us more about red pear hoppered Baker Monitors! Any ball > hoppered Monitors I've seen in red and so far any pear hoppered Monitors > > I've only seen in grey. I just called sleepy teen Devin and went thru > the s/n list with him asking him to look for any clues about when there > was a color change on the pear hoppered engines. He didn't find a note > about it. > Have you narrowed down a year or s/n at which there was a color change? > > Interesting about the tin on the end of the crankshaft. Ours is afixed > to the flywheel and that is where it has stayed since the restoration. > But what you say makes perfect sense now that I think about it. If one > was to use it as a hopper cover, the condensation would run along the > inside and drip on the _outside_ of the hopper. The condensate would not > > run back in the hopper. Pretty keen sleuthing there Joe! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Jul 13 20:33:47 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:33:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] spam Message-ID: <4c2.47ad25c.31e86a9b@aol.com> Hi Dave, I am glad it is you that is helping George. Others might not be so eager to step forward after he called our messages crap. I tried to help him off list by suggesting he go out the same door he came in, or words to that effect. Your reputation for compassion and caring precedes you and I now know that George is in good hands. Do you have any signs left? If so, do you think George (is that really his name?) would enjoy having one? Ron In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: At 07:58 PM 7/13/2006, you wrote: >please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time >enough is enough >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Hi George, Sorry, once you are on SEL there is no way to get off. Dave PS, Have a good day! -------------------------------1152848027 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dave,
I am glad it is you that is helping George.  Others might not be s= o=20 eager to step forward after he called our messages crap.  I tried=20= to=20 help him off list by suggesting he go out the same door he came in, or words= to=20 that effect. Your reputation for compassion and caring precedes you and= I=20 now know that George is in good hands. 
 
Do you have any signs left?  If so, do you think George (is that=20 really his name?) would enjoy having one?
Ron
 
In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 rotigel at alltel.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>At 07:58=20 PM 7/13/2006, you wrote:
>please stop sending me gas engine crap,177= =20 messages in my box this time
>enough is=20 enough
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!.

Hi=20 George, Sorry, once you are on SEL there is no way to get off.
 =20        Dave
PS, Have a good day! =20
 
From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Jul 13 20:35:46 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] spam References: Message-ID: <008801c6a6f6$9833e020$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi George, The only way to get off is to shoot yourself. Do you have any good engines? To show what really nice people we are a big bunch of us will come to the sale. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "george maattala" To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: [SEL] spam please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time enough is enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jul 14 00:33:26 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:03:26 +0930 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday to Fred :-) Message-ID: <000701c6a717$cc26a950$92cca03a@chaos> Born 14 July 1857; died 26 Mar 1937. In 1893 Frederick Louis Maytag contributed $600 with three other men to start a farm implement company. The company produced threshing machine, band-cutter and self-feeder attachments invented by one of the founders of the company. Operations were housed in a abandoned, 30' by 40' stove works in Newton, Iowa. The first Maytag washing machine was built in 1907 as a sideline to the farm equipment line. It was intended that this product would solve seasonal slumps in the farm equipment business and fill the need for a home washing machine. From today in science history website . http://www.todayinsci.com/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 13 15:56:23 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:56:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine References: <004401c6a60a$583c52f0$8aec4c0c@D48VHZ61> <000c01c6a66a$0c6249b0$bda40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Message-ID: <004e01c6a6cf$91cd9bd0$a2ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> Sorry, forgot to include it in the post. jthall at worldnet.att.net John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine > John, can't find your off line address. > ----- Original Message ----- From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Jul 14 05:24:49 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:24:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <432.5613680.31e6b0b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c6a740$801d30a0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Tom i,say it would weigh about 1/2 a ton or so regards Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:07:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > brock at netspeed.com.au writes: > > << A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine >> > > Brock, > > Nice find! What does that baby weigh? It sure looks massive! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Jul 14 05:30:57 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:30:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> <000301c6a5b0$ae4f5660$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <00c601c6a741$5bcb49c0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Dave about 20 km from were i got this engine from theres a 12 hp tangye in a woolshed & and on the farm next door there was 3hp blackstone until last year when a club member recoverd it Regards Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "oldengine .org" ; "'The SEL email > discussion list'" > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:42 PM > Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > > > G,day All > A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has > not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel > the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any > way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going > it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have > put a few pics on my webshots page > Brock Summerfield > > Hi Brock, I wish you Aussies wouldn't keep showing us how many > Desirable English engines you have when they are as rare as rocking > horse sh!t over here. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jul 14 05:50:55 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:50:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids Message-ID: Howdy all; Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag RickinMt. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 14 07:15:42 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:15:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine In-Reply-To: <00c601c6a741$5bcb49c0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <01aa01c6a750$001b4fd0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > G,day Dave > about 20 km from were i got this engine from theres a 12 hp > tangye in a > woolshed & and on the farm next door there was 3hp blackstone > until last > year when a club member recoverd it > Regards Brock Hey Brock. It's now Saturday morning in Oz. Will you be spending the weekend recovering the big Tangye? The little one is so sweet, they'd look good paired up in your garage. Rob From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Jul 14 09:11:59 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:11:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids References: Message-ID: <000c01c6a760$3d7ae100$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Rick, If nobody comes through for you I scan 3 or 4 pages of the dimensions etc. or just give you the dimensions.that you can't make out. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: [SEL] "M" skids > Howdy all; > > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg > > Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/06 > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jul 14 10:35:14 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:35:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <200607141600.k6EG03nx031920@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060714192622.025e5ab0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/07/2006, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:26 +0000 >From: "george maattala" >Subject: [SEL] spam >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time >enough is enough >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Lucky Bugger, I love SEL and the most I ever get (SEL Digest) is 15 to 20 messages a day. Am I missing something??? Maybe someone should point out to him that there is an "Unsubscribe" link on every post - but maybe it does not work if you put nasty stuff in the message - !!! - Did anyone care to count how many of those exclamation marks he put after the message - (maybe 177). I know that I sometimes go overboard with the exclamation marks (it should only ever be one) but the best I have managed is 3. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 14 14:16:47 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:16:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <172b60c09bc5a9a3e35eed156b4afa25@chartertn.net> Most people can at least get themselves off by hand, but maybe not this one... On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:58 PM, george maattala wrote: > please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this > time enough is enough > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 14 14:17:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday to Fred :-) In-Reply-To: <000701c6a717$cc26a950$92cca03a@chaos> References: <000701c6a717$cc26a950$92cca03a@chaos> Message-ID: And a happy Bastille Day to everyone! :-D John On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:33 AM, derek wrote: > Born 14 July 1857; died 26 Mar 1937. > In 1893 Frederick Louis Maytag John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustyiron at bigpond.com Fri Jul 14 19:42:34 2006 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:42:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids References: Message-ID: <002d01c6a7b8$53f34230$25a98b90@Andy> Hi Arnie. Any chance of getting a copy as well??? Andy Weipa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: [SEL] "M" skids > Howdy all; > > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg > > Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 14 20:19:55 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:19:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <172b60c09bc5a9a3e35eed156b4afa25@chartertn.net> References: <172b60c09bc5a9a3e35eed156b4afa25@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060714231859.040e5ee8@mail.alltel.net> At 05:16 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote: >Most people can at least get themselves off by hand, but maybe not this >one... >John Culp John, PLEASE, this is a family oriented List! Dave From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Fri Jul 14 21:35:06 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:35:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060714231859.040e5ee8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c6a7c8$0dafca40$a7b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] spam At 05:16 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote: >Most people can at least get themselves off by hand, but maybe not this >one... >John Culp John, PLEASE, this is a family oriented List! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Jul 14 22:05:37 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:05:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] spam Message-ID: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> Hi Lyle, Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach again, this time in humility. Ron As you sow, so shall you reap. In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. 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Hi Lyle,
Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he would have received help.  It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and approach again, this time in humility.
 
Ron
 
As you sow, so shall you reap. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help=20 him
understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him.
Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 proceed
in unsubscribing. Just my two cents.

Lyle Myles

= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord=20 has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold!
 
From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 15 03:44:46 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:44:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> References: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060715064148.037edaa0@mail.alltel.net> "Repent?" Now there is a good idea! And remember the first thing you must do to be forgiven for your sins is to sin! Dave PS, Perhaps doG can help this poor soul! At 01:05 AM 7/15/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would >have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach >again, >this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: > >Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-------------------------------1152939937 >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he >would have received help. It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and >approach again, this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: ><= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial >color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact >someone off list to help=20 him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 >proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the >Lord=20 has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold! > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Sat Jul 15 04:36:49 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:36:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Yes he did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope with the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still receiving e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeling and strong convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause problems. Again if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note for help and I'm sure someone will help you if you are sincere. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:06 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] spam Hi Lyle, Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach again, this time in humility. Ron As you sow, so shall you reap. In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -------------------------------1152939937 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lyle,
Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he would have received help.  It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and approach again, this time in humility.
 
Ron
 
As you sow, so shall you reap. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help=20 him
understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him.
Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 proceed
in unsubscribing. Just my two cents.

Lyle Myles

= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord=20 has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold!
 
_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Jul 15 05:42:29 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:42:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <01aa01c6a750$001b4fd0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <00b101c6a80c$241fde20$5f11fea9@merlin> i,d like to get the 12 hp but they dont want to part with it yet one day i hope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > >> G,day Dave >> about 20 km from were i got this engine from theres a 12 > hp >> tangye in a >> woolshed & and on the farm next door there was 3hp > blackstone >> until last >> year when a club member recoverd it >> Regards Brock > > Hey Brock. It's now Saturday morning in Oz. > Will you be spending the weekend recovering > the big Tangye? > > The little one is so sweet, they'd look good > paired up in your garage. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Jul 15 08:23:30 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:23:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? Message-ID: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Hi Lyle, I am sure you are correct. On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get gasoline that does not contain alcohol. Is anyone running the ethanol blend in their stationary engine? What are the results? Ron The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made. _Jean Giraudoux_ (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Jean_Giraudoux/) French diplomat, dramatist, & novelist (1882 - 1944) In a message dated 7/15/2006 6:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: Yes he did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope with the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still receiving e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeling and strong convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause problems. Again if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note for help and I'm sure someone will help you if you are sincere. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -------------------------------1152977010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lyle,
I am sure you are correct. 
 
On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get gasol= ine=20 that does not contain alcohol.  Is anyone running the ethanol blend in=20 their stationary engine?  What are the results?
 
Ron
The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it= =20 made.=20
Jean=20 Giraudoux
French diplomat, dramatist, & novelist (1882 -=20 1944)
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2006 6:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Yes he=20 did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope
wit= h=20 the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still=20 receiving
e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeli= ng=20 and strong
convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause=20 problems. Again
if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note= for=20 help and I'm
sure someone will help you if you are sincere. =20

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this=20 beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy= and=20 behold!
 
From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jul 15 08:56:02 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:56:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <023401c6a827$2dc9d230$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Verily, our brother seeketh guidance in casting the burdensome coils of membership in our upstanding group. His plight be not unlike the Trials of Pig, of which you can read in Pearls 7:15. http://tinyurl.com/q7y7s Peace be the journey. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 15 10:28:40 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:28:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1152984520.44b925c84c896@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Dolly, You should send him one of the SEL stickers!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Rotigel : > See: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jul 15 10:57:07 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:57:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? In-Reply-To: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> References: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Message-ID: > On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get > gasoline > that does not contain alcohol. Is anyone running the ethanol blend in > their > stationary engine? What are the results? I've run it in mine. Never could tell any difference with the 10% stuff. E85 could be a different story. But even the 10% stuff is risky with premixed gas/oil blends, which will separate if the alcohol attracts a bit of moisture. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 15 11:10:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:10:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? References: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Message-ID: John..would the alcohol react with any metals such as brass, copper, bronze and such....as found in Carb. floats and such? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] spam...ethanol? > > On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get > > gasoline > > that does not contain alcohol. Is anyone running the ethanol blend in > > their > > stationary engine? What are the results? > > I've run it in mine. Never could tell any difference with the 10% > stuff. E85 could be a different story. But even the 10% stuff is risky > with premixed gas/oil blends, which will separate if the alcohol > attracts a bit of moisture. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 15 12:16:31 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:16:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152990991.44b93f0f16ff6@webmail.city-net.com> Rick, Would it help if I scanned those pages and emailed 'em to ya or FTP'ed 'em to oldengine? Be warned, my originals have dirt smudges, beer stains, etc. See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jul 15 12:48:58 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:48:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? In-Reply-To: References: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Message-ID: <3e733f4084a0a30f1225b22dbbb8fccc@chartertn.net> Ethanol won't. Methanol is more of a problem, and it's found commonly in gasoline with no notice on it. John On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > John..would the alcohol react with any metals such as brass, copper, > bronze > and such....as found in Carb. floats and such? > > Rick John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ELIDAS at aol.com Sat Jul 15 18:32:59 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:32:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re FATG question Message-ID: <4f3.33e3db1.31eaf14b@aol.com> Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24 (10) tire for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could REALLY use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA Mike Semanoff. -------------------------------1153013579 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24=20= (10)=20 tire for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could RE= ALLY=20 use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA
 Mike Semanoff.
From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 15 18:41:36 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:41:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids References: <000c01c6a760$3d7ae100$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: Thanks Charlie and Arnie...did it for a friend..He said he can make out the numbers. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "M" skids > Rick, > > If nobody comes through for you I scan 3 or 4 pages of > the dimensions etc. or just give you the dimensions.that you can't make > out. > > Charlie Bryant > Jay, Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:50 AM > Subject: [SEL] "M" skids > > > > Howdy all; > > > > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids > > for > > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/06 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 15 19:51:41 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:51:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060715224811.03860818@mail.alltel.net> Good doG Lyle, Why in the hell don't you post to this guy and tell him how to unsubscribe? Wouldn't that make his day a beautiful one that "the Lord has given...?" Dave At 07:36 AM 7/15/2006, you wrote: >Yes he did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope >with the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still receiving >e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeling and strong >convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause problems. Again >if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note for help and I'm >sure someone will help you if you are sincere. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >MaytagTwin at aol.com >Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:06 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] spam > > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would >have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach >again, >this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: > >Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-------------------------------1152939937 >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he >would have received help. It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and >approach again, this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: ><= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial >color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact >someone off list to help=20 him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 >proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the >Lord=20 has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold! > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 16 08:05:56 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:05:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars Message-ID: <483.5f6644f.31ebafd4@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << that would be fun!!! >> Rick, What a great way to see the country!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From nick at holden1.net Sun Jul 16 03:13:19 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:13:19 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2007 Message-ID: <44BA113F.000003.03936@YOUR-447023AE6B> Yes I know it's early But can anyone tell me how to get an entry form for Nuenen show next year As I am starting to plan the trip now as a holiday Thanks Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jul 16 14:10:34 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:10:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] neunen 2007 Message-ID: <000a01c6a91c$494adfe0$c762e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Nick, There is no entry forms for neunen. All you have to do is email Walter .v. Gulik ( wout.v.gulik at zonnet.nl ) with your entry. On the Sunday night of the show there is a buffet meal places for this must be booked in advance , hope this is of some help to you, Craig in sunny Scotland From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jul 16 19:15:17 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:15:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars References: <483.5f6644f.31ebafd4@aol.com> Message-ID: Yea..fer sure Tom..fellow ole iron nut just spotted an "M" from an ole tour train. Went back..he won't sell Imagine the possibilites!!! finding the good stuff??? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Speeder cars > In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << that would be fun!!! >> > > > Rick, > > What a great way to see the country!!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 10:16:42 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:16:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Re FATG question (ELIDAS@aol.com) In-Reply-To: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 6. Re FATG question (ELIDAS at aol.com) >>Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:32:59 EDT >From: ELIDAS at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Re FATG question >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <4f3.33e3db1.31eaf14b at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24 (10) tire >for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could REALLY >use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA > Mike Semanoff. Mike that tire will work OK. The big problem would be if they were different heights. If one tire is shorter than the other it will be like you are always turning a corner and it may cause excessive wear on the differential. From nick at holden1.net Mon Jul 17 11:18:39 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:18:39 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] neunen 2007 References: <000a01c6a91c$494adfe0$c762e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <44BBD47F.000001.03676@YOUR-447023AE6B> Thanks Craig -------Original Message------- From: craig morrison Date: 07/16/06 22:37:19 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] neunen 2007 Hi Nick, There is no entry forms for neunen. All you have to do is email Walter .v. Gulik ( wout.v.gulik at zonnet.nl ) with your entry. On the Sunday night of the show there is a buffet meal places for this must be booked in advance , hope this is of some help to you, Craig in sunny Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 17 17:04:21 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:04:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] old notice Message-ID: <006601c6a9fd$ba2450c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I recently had delivery of the GEM back issue discs. I came across this snippet in the 1st year of publication. (I wonder if they realised what it would become?) NOTICE NEW CLUB On January 30, 1966 a meeting was held in Portland, Indiana with 15 interested men attending to organize a new gasoline engine and tractor club which is to be called the Tri-State Gasoline Engine and Tractor Association. Anyone wishing to obtain membership may do so by writing Morris Titus, R. R. 2, Pendleton, Indiana 46064. Those owning gas engines or tractors may obtain active membership. Dues are $2.00. Those not owning gas engines or tractors may obtain associate membership. Dues $1.00. Please support this new club and help the interest and preservation of gasoline and tractors grow. Woody Turner, Pres. Morris Titus, Sec.-Treas. R. D. 2, Pendleton, Ind. 46064 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 17 21:35:04 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:35:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Re FATG question (ELIDAS@aol.com) In-Reply-To: References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> At 01:16 PM 7/17/2006, you wrote: >> 6. Re FATG question (ELIDAS at aol.com) >>>Message: 6 >>Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:32:59 EDT >>From: ELIDAS at aol.com >>Subject: [SEL] Re FATG question >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Message-ID: <4f3.33e3db1.31eaf14b at aol.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24 (10) tire >>for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could REALLY >>use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA >> Mike Semanoff. >Mike that tire will work OK. The big problem would be if they were >different heights. If one tire is shorter than the other it will be like >you are always turning a corner and it may cause excessive wear on the >differential. If he puts the smaller one on the left side he could play NASCAR. Never have figured out why someone would make only left hand turns all day and then PRETEND that it was some kind of SPORT! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 17 21:54:33 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:54:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Re FATG question (ELIDAS@aol.com) References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A lot more interesting when they try to turn right!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" . Never > have figured out why someone would make only left hand turns all day and > then PRETEND that it was some kind of SPORT! > Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 18 05:24:41 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Boring for most I'm sure, but just got back from Waukee......... and thanks to a tip or two from a list member, I decided the Alamo 2 was about right speed and pulley size to run my hacksaw (the lighter, easier to move Marvel drawcut #1 as opposed to the #2 I got from Arnie that takes 2 good men to just move it) I belted it up, assuming a bit that the proper pulley rotation direction should be top of pulley toward back of saw, and let the engine idle all weekend, popping in the clutch now and then to let people see it cutting steel rods, and showing how when it finished, it kicked itself out of gear. The h&m Alamo was a tad less than even for cutting, but the engine idles so smoothly and evenly it wasn't TOO noticable, and I'm afraid a faster throttle-governed engine may have been a bit too fast for a good display. The FM w/mudpump ran well all weekend, stopping twice when my brazing rod contact broke due to metal fatigue. Still need to find a GOOD mag person to work on the AB33 for that beast. People loved watching the water shoot out from a 3" pipe........ and tried to figure how much it could move in an hour. I only took 3 engines, as opposed to the 5 or 6 I usually take - hot, and simply too much going on with the car restoration, etc. The third, the Lindsay-Alamo, was on squirrelcage duty all weekend................. The Chapman 2 took a break and stayed home this time. The JD A machinegun tractors were a sight! They are reproductions of the rigs JD submitted to uncle sam for military use, but they proved to be too heavy and too difficult to maneuver, or for whatever reason, never made it into production. I can imaging the poor driver and machine gun operators in those steel armor cages in heat like we had. What a site! The first submitted was a narrow front, the armor doubled the weight of the tractor - to the point that if the front wheels dropped into a rut, it was literally not possible to steer or move the tractor. Inmagine a JD A tracor that weighed over 9,000 pounds (and a machine gun on each side!). the second attempt was a wide front end which worked better, but the drivers field of vision was pretty narrow. It, too, never made it to production. I've got some great photos. The slowest engines (that I found, anyway) - a 2-stroker running about 44 RPM and a 4-stroker running at 36 rpm. There was also an Oliver with a factory road grader attachment on it that got a lot of attention. The corn for the sweet corn feed was once again steamed by traction engine - this time a Russel. The show on Saturday was actually a bit larger than last year despite the heat index of over 100. The ultralight rides were not offered this year, bummer! Bill Runnells, IA From oldengin at verizon.net Tue Jul 18 18:14:00 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:14:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] old notice References: <006601c6a9fd$ba2450c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001101c6aad0$9f29bcf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Reg,,, I know both these boys.................. What does that mean? Leroy ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: [SEL] old notice >I recently had delivery of the GEM back issue discs. > I came across this snippet in the 1st year of publication. (I wonder if > they realised what it would become?) > > NOTICE NEW CLUB On January 30, 1966 a meeting was held in Portland, > Indiana with 15 interested men attending to organize a new gasoline engine > and tractor club which is to be called the Tri-State Gasoline Engine and > Tractor Association. Anyone wishing to obtain membership may do so by > writing Morris Titus, R. R. 2, Pendleton, Indiana 46064. Those owning gas > engines or tractors may obtain active membership. Dues are $2.00. Those > not owning gas engines or tractors may obtain associate membership. Dues > $1.00. Please support this new club and help the interest and preservation > of gasoline and tractors grow. Woody Turner, Pres. Morris Titus, > Sec.-Treas. R. D. 2, Pendleton, Ind. 46064 > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Jul 18 19:37:06 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> Hey Bill, If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. Thanks, Duncan bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Boring for most I'm sure, but just got back from Waukee......... and >thanks to a tip or two from a list member, I decided the Alamo 2 was about >right speed and pulley size to run my hacksaw (the lighter, easier to move >Marvel drawcut #1 as opposed to the #2 I got from Arnie that takes 2 good >men to just move it) >I belted it up, assuming a bit that the proper pulley rotation direction >should be top of pulley toward back of saw, and let the engine idle all >weekend, popping in the clutch now and then to let people see it cutting >steel rods, and showing how when it finished, it kicked itself out of >gear. >The h&m Alamo was a tad less than even for cutting, but the engine idles >so smoothly and evenly it wasn't TOO noticable, and I'm afraid a faster >throttle-governed engine may have been a bit too fast for a good display. > >The FM w/mudpump ran well all weekend, stopping twice when my brazing rod >contact broke due to metal fatigue. >Still need to find a GOOD mag person to work on the AB33 for that beast. >People loved watching the water shoot out from a 3" pipe........ and >tried to figure how much it could move in an hour. > >I only took 3 engines, as opposed to the 5 or 6 I usually take - hot, and >simply too much going on with the car restoration, etc. The third, the >Lindsay-Alamo, was on squirrelcage duty all weekend................. >The Chapman 2 took a break and stayed home this time. > >The JD A machinegun tractors were a sight! They are reproductions of the >rigs JD submitted to uncle sam for military use, but they proved to be too >heavy and too difficult to maneuver, or for whatever reason, never made it >into production. I can imaging the poor driver and machine gun operators >in those steel armor cages in heat like we had. What a site! The first >submitted was a narrow front, the armor doubled the weight of the tractor >- to the point that if the front wheels dropped into a rut, it was >literally not possible to steer or move the tractor. Inmagine a JD A >tracor that weighed over 9,000 pounds (and a machine gun on each side!). >the second attempt was a wide front end which worked better, but the >drivers field of vision was pretty narrow. It, too, never made it to >production. >I've got some great photos. >The slowest engines (that I found, anyway) - a 2-stroker running about 44 >RPM and a 4-stroker running at 36 rpm. >There was also an Oliver with a factory road grader attachment on it that >got a lot of attention. >The corn for the sweet corn feed was once again steamed by traction engine >- this time a Russel. > >The show on Saturday was actually a bit larger than last year despite the >heat index of over 100. The ultralight rides were not offered this year, >bummer! > >Bill >Runnells, IA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 19 05:26:17 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <1561.165.206.180.117.1153311977.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have not looked at all the pics I took - digital camera - but should have some good ones, especially showing the JD tractor peeking out from under the armor at the rear. What I'll probably do is post a bunch to my web site, then provide links to the full-size originals for those who want. OT - an email address of 032214 at heavyiron.atis.net should scan their computer - NETSKY worm. I suspect that address was SPOOFED and it did not really come from them but instead a 3rd party that has both that address and my email on the infected computer and used their address to spoof a message to me, but it's good to check anyway. Somewhere along the line, a computer that has my email address anywhere on it, via web cache, list messages, whatever, and has the above address is infected, netsky is old and easy to catch, but only if running antivirus software so I guess this is just a reminder as you may also be getting messages from the computer, at this point unknown - that is infected. Bill > Hey Bill, > > If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly > appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. > > Thanks, > Duncan > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>Boring for most I'm sure, but just got back from Waukee......... and >>thanks to a tip or two from a list member, I decided the Alamo 2 was >> about >>right speed and pulley size to run my hacksaw (the lighter, easier to >> move >>Marvel drawcut #1 as opposed to the #2 I got from Arnie that takes 2 good >>men to just move it) >>I belted it up, assuming a bit that the proper pulley rotation direction >>should be top of pulley toward back of saw, and let the engine idle all >>weekend, popping in the clutch now and then to let people see it cutting >>steel rods, and showing how when it finished, it kicked itself out of >>gear. >>The h&m Alamo was a tad less than even for cutting, but the engine idles >>so smoothly and evenly it wasn't TOO noticable, and I'm afraid a faster >>throttle-governed engine may have been a bit too fast for a good display. >> >>The FM w/mudpump ran well all weekend, stopping twice when my brazing rod >>contact broke due to metal fatigue. >>Still need to find a GOOD mag person to work on the AB33 for that beast. >>People loved watching the water shoot out from a 3" pipe........ and >>tried to figure how much it could move in an hour. >> >>I only took 3 engines, as opposed to the 5 or 6 I usually take - hot, and >>simply too much going on with the car restoration, etc. The third, the >>Lindsay-Alamo, was on squirrelcage duty all weekend................. >>The Chapman 2 took a break and stayed home this time. >> >>The JD A machinegun tractors were a sight! They are reproductions of the >>rigs JD submitted to uncle sam for military use, but they proved to be >> too >>heavy and too difficult to maneuver, or for whatever reason, never made >> it >>into production. I can imaging the poor driver and machine gun operators >>in those steel armor cages in heat like we had. What a site! The first >>submitted was a narrow front, the armor doubled the weight of the tractor >>- to the point that if the front wheels dropped into a rut, it was >>literally not possible to steer or move the tractor. Inmagine a JD A >>tracor that weighed over 9,000 pounds (and a machine gun on each side!). >>the second attempt was a wide front end which worked better, but the >>drivers field of vision was pretty narrow. It, too, never made it to >>production. >>I've got some great photos. >>The slowest engines (that I found, anyway) - a 2-stroker running about 44 >>RPM and a 4-stroker running at 36 rpm. >>There was also an Oliver with a factory road grader attachment on it that >>got a lot of attention. >>The corn for the sweet corn feed was once again steamed by traction >> engine >>- this time a Russel. >> >>The show on Saturday was actually a bit larger than last year despite the >>heat index of over 100. The ultralight rides were not offered this year, >>bummer! >> >>Bill >>Runnells, IA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rsrolfne at atnet.net Wed Jul 19 09:55:15 2006 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book Message-ID: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request the total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received an answer. Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the hobby on the west coast of the USA. Is there a USA source for the Stationary Engine Books? Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his mail? Hope he is in good health. How is the LISTER CS book? Thanks Regards, Bob R. Mose Lake, WA. USA From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Jul 19 10:38:25 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:38:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book In-Reply-To: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Message-ID: <045101c6ab5a$2367cf50$8335c53e@doc> I can reassure you that David Edgington exists and answers his email too! The cost of the Lister CS Story is ?12 including postage in the UK, so I guess you could figure around $30 once you factor in airmail. The book is brand-new within the last two weeks (6 July) and I have yet to see a copy myself. As far as I know, David is well. He can be reached at enginbooks at aol.com (that's right, no 'e'), or I can pass a message if there is a mail problem? Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bob W7AVK > Sent: 19 July 2006 17:55 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book > > Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion > called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site > http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to > request the > total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago > requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received > an answer. > > Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the > hobby on the > west coast of the USA. Is there a USA source for the > Stationary Engine > Books? Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his > mail? Hope he is in good health. How is the LISTER CS book? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Bob R. > Mose Lake, WA. USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Jul 19 11:29:53 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:29:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book In-Reply-To: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> References: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Message-ID: <44BE7A21.7040609@semidiesel.com> Bob W7AVK wrote: > Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion > called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site > http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request > the total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago > requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received an answer. Hi, We stock all Davids books in the museum shop, have some signed copies of the CS book in at the normal price ?12. We can take PayPal and the profits go to the museum! We hope to get the Online Shop sorted in the very near future and get everything listed. CS book is excellent. Cheers Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 13/07/2006 From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Jul 19 15:55:35 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Message-ID: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show this weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Jul 19 16:50:45 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:50:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c6ab8e$27c0cb90$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Steve, take lots of pictues! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Barr Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show this weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 19 17:54:30 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44BED446.9070903@scrtc.com> Steve, I'd love to be there but not enough time, $$$, etc to make it. I've been to John Tysse's place several times and the show grounds joins his property. I know its a dandy, especially if you like the big tractors. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show this >weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making >the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. > >Steve > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 19 17:56:59 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:56:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <000001c6ab8e$27c0cb90$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000001c6ab8e$27c0cb90$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44BED4DB.90800@scrtc.com> Right Wayne. And Steve's the best at the show reports. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Steve, take lots of pictues! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Jul 20 01:30:38 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:30:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington and the Lister CS Story Message-ID: <04a801c6abd6$c7ec21d0$8335c53e@doc> David Edgington has just mailed me in response to Bob Rolfness's email: "Greetings from a very hot UK!!! I was sad to read that you did not hear from me but the reason is I never received your email. Since my book can out 10 days ago I've received about 60 emails a day and I've sat in from of my computer most of each day. I have sent over 20 books to the US so far, I'll be glad to mail you a copy. Incidentally my website is www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk so you can see the book and what I look like, you'll see I do exist!! Really nice to make contact, I can send you a Paypal invoice if you like, just let me know, the price post paid to you is ?15-50p GBPs which is about 28-59 US. Best regards, David" David Edgington can be reached at enginbooks at aol.com (there really isn't a second 'e' in 'engin'). Pete -- Peter Scales From dleis at centurytel.net Thu Jul 20 07:15:07 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:15:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing Message-ID: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 20 05:36:42 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <3179.165.206.180.117.1153399002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Here's links to slightly scaled-down images. If someone wants, I can try to email the larger originals http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-013.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-014.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-015.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-016.jpg The originals are about 1 meg each. I think 2000x??? in size. Or feel free to DL and save the above. Use them as you need. I will probably put them on my web pages, but feel free to do the same or whatever. Bill > Hey Bill, > > If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly > appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. > > Thanks, > Duncan > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 20 05:46:45 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:46:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> <3179.165.206.180.117.1153399002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time Bill. Very interesting iron!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... > Here's links to slightly scaled-down images. > If someone wants, I can try to email the larger originals > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-013.jpg > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-014.jpg > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-015.jpg > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-016.jpg > > The originals are about 1 meg each. I think 2000x??? in size. > Or feel free to DL and save the above. Use them as you need. I will > probably put them on my web pages, but feel free to do the same or > whatever. > > > Bill > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly > > appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. > > > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 20 06:29:55 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:29:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <000901c6ac00$97c16810$3ac10b52@no1> Try Webshots. A lot of people find the free service is good enough. I and many others use the large paid for service. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jul 20 11:22:15 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:22:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book In-Reply-To: <200607201600.k6KG03we027389@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Bob, I posted to this list about 10 days ago that this book was available so maybe you responded to that. If David did not answer your mail then there can be only one reason - he never got it! Maybe you made the same mistake I once made - his address is: as mentioned by Peter Scales "there is no "e" between engin and books". He usually answers his mail within hours - no matter how involved your query might be (and, by the way it is answered by him personally - no secretaries , no auto response, no nonsense). He does exist and is alive and well - I've had correspondence with him today. You could not wish to deal with a better person - his integrity and service is without equal and his books are excellent. Please do yourself a favour and get his books - either from him direct or from Paul Evans (Internal Fire Museum also needs funds and I'm sure David will not begrudge the museum it's bit of profit). That's all from me tonight! Keep well, Jerry Evans (South Africa) At 06:00 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:15 -0700 >From: Bob W7AVK >Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <44BE63F3.7090103 at atnet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion >called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site >http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request the >total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago >requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received an answer. > >Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the hobby on the >west coast of the USA. Is there a USA source for the Stationary Engine >Books? Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his >mail? Hope he is in good health. How is the LISTER CS book? > >Thanks > >Regards, > >Bob R. >Mose Lake, WA. USA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 20 14:34:47 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:34:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing In-Reply-To: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> I've started using Photobucket. Works well. John On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Stacy Leis wrote: > > > > > > Hi List > > what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you > for the help > > Stacy John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 20 16:15:18 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:15:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Stacy Leis wrote: Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy I've started using Photobucket. Works well. John Culp Hi John, can you post one so we can compare? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengin at verizon.net Thu Jul 20 16:43:14 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:43:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Grandpa's Castings References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> <3179.165.206.180.117.1153399002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <009d01c6ac56$45b25d80$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Well everyone probably knows by now that Curt has finished the flywheel patterns and they look good! Now I just got off the telly with John Glassford ( Grandpas Casting) and he will do a pour for us on the Tuesday before the Portland show at around 4:30 pm..... Now some of this is weather pemitting and not 100+...... You will need about 3 things 1) long pants for the event 2) toed shoes, no flip flops, (as Rob would call them THONGS) 3) a return to me that you are planning on attending the pour. John is up the road from the show only 10 minutes, and looking forward to seeing us Thanks Leroy From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 20 16:47:01 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:47:01 -0400 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing In-Reply-To: <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: OK. Picture's a picture. Photobucket - Video and Image  
Hosting http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/JohnnyWinter4.jpg On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Hi John, can you post one so we can compare? > Dave Croft John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Jul 20 16:51:02 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:51:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <004801c6ac57$5c9998a0$437da418@pengy> I use webshots and the cost is around $30 a year. For that I can place up to 5,000 photos online of which I have almost 2,000 already. Its the best deal in the world! http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing > On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Stacy Leis wrote: > Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for > the help Stacy > > I've started using Photobucket. Works well. > John Culp > > Hi John, can you post one so we can compare? > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 21 10:30:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:30:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Grandpa's Castings In-Reply-To: <009d01c6ac56$45b25d80$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <000901c6aceb$534e24c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > (as Rob would call them THONGS) Hi Leroy, It sounds like the foundry will be a great excursion. Thank God no one will have to see you wearing your thong. Rob From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Jul 22 19:35:04 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:35:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station Message-ID: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html Rick Rowlands US Bulletin Editor International Stationary Steam Engine Society 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 www.steamenginesociety.org 330-272-4089 Fax 330-759-1524 From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Jul 22 20:21:00 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:21:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: <008001c6ae07$06c7f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!! Great shots; thanx! Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:35 PM To: TodEngine at yahoogroups.com; The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com; Steam-engine mailing list; steam_lizards at yahoogroups.com; Stationary_Steam_Engines at yahoogroups.com; Robert E. Lindquist Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html Rick Rowlands US Bulletin Editor International Stationary Steam Engine Society 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 www.steamenginesociety.org 330-272-4089 Fax 330-759-1524 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Jul 22 20:29:12 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:29:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: <200607230329.k6N3TPAD051488@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the pictures, Rick. Are the pumps centrifugal or positive displacement? Your pictures show a number of tanks which I assume are surge domes (accumulators) which would be necessitated by reciprocating pumps. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:35 PM To: TodEngine at yahoogroups.com; The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com; Steam-engine mailing list; steam_lizards at yahoogroups.com; Stationary_Steam_Engines at yahoogroups.com; Robert E. Lindquist Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html Rick Rowlands US Bulletin Editor International Stationary Steam Engine Society 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 www.steamenginesociety.org 330-272-4089 Fax 330-759-1524 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 23 05:53:21 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:53:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station Message-ID: <586.183364d.31f4cb41@aol.com> Rick, Great that you were able to take a first hand tour! Huge old machinery! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 23 08:34:41 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:34:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> References: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: <8d7fa6f8cbc1a3b9df84e0921997f8c6@chartertn.net> Really cool! John On Jul 22, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote: > 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: > > http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dleis at centurytel.net Wed Jul 19 18:09:58 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:09:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: on-line photo sharing Message-ID: <001e01c6ab99$38448b40$0501a8c0@computer> Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 24 05:42:31 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Team Work to haul home engines Message-ID: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Another road trip on the weekend to bring home another bit of rusty junk. This time it was a rare 1900 Crossley OO portable for my mate Paul. It took my trusty Nissan, Ron's trailer & all three of us to bring this one home. The Crossley was too heavy for Paul's Toyota and too big for my trailer so we combined forces for this one. A few pics of the load can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072208.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072211.JPG More pics of the engine later :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 24 05:58:10 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Team Work to haul home engines In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Man, that's a lovely looking engine. It looks to be mostly (ar all?) there. What's the condition re restoration? What HP? I assume a "story" on the find will come with the engine pics? 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Another road trip on the weekend to bring home another bit of rusty junk. > This time it was a rare 1900 Crossley OO portable for my mate Paul. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Jul 24 11:06:28 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:06:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> RE: Team Work to haul home engines In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200607241806.k6OI6j0v069646@mail-gw.fsr.net> That's a beauty, Patrick! Thanx for the pix. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:43 AM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: Team Work to haul home engines http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072208.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072211.JPG More pics of the engine later :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 24 16:28:44 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Team Work to haul home engines In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Wow! John On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Another road trip on the weekend to bring home another bit of rusty > junk. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 16:41:35 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Letz Feed Grinders In-Reply-To: <008001c6ae07$06c7f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20060724234135.69035.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy folks, I am in need of a newer Letz grinder. I want one like a model 180 or 244 A model that will take the whole corn stalk, chop it up and then grind it. Anyone got one and willing to sell it? Able to get it to Portland? I have a model 8 that was only made in 1914, their first year then I also have a slightly newer one that is like it except it doesn't have the cast iron hopper that my model 8 has. The model 8 also came with a tin hopper, but mine must have originally had a number 15 cutter that needed the cast iron hopper to mount to. Thanks for reading this, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. --0-805563616-1153784495=:68652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Howdy folks,
I am in need of a newer Letz grinder.
I want one like a model 180 or 244
A model that will take the whole corn stalk, chop it up and then grind it.
 
Anyone got one and willing to sell it?
Able to get it to Portland?
 
I have a model 8 that was only made in 1914, their first year then I also have a slightly newer one that is like it except it doesn't have the cast iron hopper that my model 8 has.
The model 8 also came with a tin hopper, but mine must have originally had a number 15 cutter that needed the cast iron hopper to mount to.
 
Thanks for reading this,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 24 19:46:40 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:46:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 In-Reply-To: <1148171703.446fb5b7699df@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200607242146214.SM01064@wrbpc> Mine arrived today! There's not much in this book I recognize, and that makes sense since these are the ones that got away when Wendel was rounding them up for the first volume. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:35 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 Hi Folks, Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready to go. Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) Advertised By: Charles Wendel Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different engines than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one like we reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so here's the deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you need to replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both Volume 1 and Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope Volume 2 to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand pages of engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa 52203 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Tue Jul 25 18:50:10 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:50:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping In-Reply-To: <002801c69af6$ceaaa500$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Hello: Leroy, We would also like to "reserve" a spot on your list, we will get there either very late Monday or early Tuesday and be leaving very early Friday morning. Bill Jr. opened a hobby shop the day after Thanksgiving last year so he won't be attending. See Ya, Bill & Peg Pfeiffer PS: Yes we are bringing the 29' trailer with the pull out room again. >From: "Leroy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:57 -0400 > >Done, it will be good to see you again this year. Leroy >----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" > >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland camping > > >>Hi Leroy, >> >>I am planning to be at Portland again this year, and would like a camping >>spot for my truck. >>Looking forward to seeing you all, soon. >> >>Pete Stauffer >>Hidden away amongst the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, USA >> >> >>>From: "Leroy" >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" , >>>"oldengine list" >>>Subject: [SEL] Portland camping >>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:29:54 -0400 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Does anyone know who is saving the ATIS camping area this year please? >>>>I would be grateful if they could email me off list. >>> >>> >>>I got this today and yes maybe it is time to start reserving some space >>>for campers in Portland. I have one , my friend Paul has one, Tom (Ball) >>>has one "does this mean Reg is going to be in the low rent area again?", >>>Brice (Adams) has one, Bob (Matthews) has just ask for a spot and it is >>>done....... Anyone else? Also I have been tossing around some other >>>ideas, more later. Contact me or write the list if you need camper space >>>or if I did not include you on this short list. Leroy Clark >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Tue Jul 25 18:54:31 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:54:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave please put three more down for your dinner. Thanks, Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Richard Strobel" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0600 > >Forwarded to all three...that I know of, Dave, > >RickinMt. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:03 PM >Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction > > > > Hi All, > > The annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will be held once again >during > > the August Portland Show. The date for the dinner this year is (Thurs.) > > August 24th at 6:00 PM. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back >40 > > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north > > end > > of town. The auction will follow the dinner. Start looking around for > > items > > to donate to the auction! > > Ellen said that she was eager to have us back again this year and when I > > told her that Reg would be joining us she said that she and the other > > girls > > remembered him and that "strange Australian greeting" that he always >used. > > (I think she was referring to the slap on the a$$ that Reg always gives > > each of them.) She also asked if that "nice tractor guy with the Big > > Minnie" would be at the dinner again this year. Does anyone know who she > > is > > talking about? (And what on earth is a "Big Minnie?" Perhaps I >shouldn't > > ask!) > > I told Ellen that I would contact her to provide a "head count" as time > > neared for the dinner. If you plan to join us please let me know so that >I > > can provide a fairly good estimate to Ellen. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net > > Thanks, and I sure hope to see everyone at the dinner and auction! > > Dave > > PS, Will someone please forward this post to the Tractor List? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Jul 26 10:48:03 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <44BED446.9070903@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060726174803.63067.qmail@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy The trip went great (except for the 17 hours on the road each way...but the company was great). In looking back, I still missed a bunch...only shot 397 photos + 12 decent video clips (which are not on the site)...you will have to go to Harry's to view them when Craig Anderson puts them up on his server space. Photos at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006CrosbyGasEngines.htm Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Steve, > I'd love to be there but not enough time, $$$, etc to make it. I've > > been to John Tysse's place several times and the show grounds joins his > property. I know its a dandy, especially if you like the big tractors. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show > this > >weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making > >the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jul 26 11:27:36 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:27:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would be really great. I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives there!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From oldengin at verizon.net Wed Jul 26 13:26:09 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:26:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping References: Message-ID: <000c01c6b0f1$bc11ae00$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Got ya covered.... Hope everyone and everything is good? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping > Hello: > > Leroy, > > We would also like to "reserve" a spot on your list, we will get there > either very late Monday or early Tuesday and be leaving very early Friday > morning. > > Bill Jr. opened a hobby shop the day after Thanksgiving last year so he > won't be attending. > > See Ya, > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > PS: Yes we are bringing the 29' trailer with the pull out room again. > > >>From: "Leroy" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:57 -0400 >> >>Done, it will be good to see you again this year. Leroy >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" >> >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 AM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland camping >> >> >>>Hi Leroy, >>> >>>I am planning to be at Portland again this year, and would like a camping >>>spot for my truck. >>>Looking forward to seeing you all, soon. >>> >>>Pete Stauffer >>>Hidden away amongst the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, USA >>> >>> >>>>From: "Leroy" >>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> >>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" , >>>>"oldengine list" >>>>Subject: [SEL] Portland camping >>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:29:54 -0400 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Does anyone know who is saving the ATIS camping area this year please? >>>>>I would be grateful if they could email me off list. >>>> >>>> >>>>I got this today and yes maybe it is time to start reserving some space >>>>for campers in Portland. I have one , my friend Paul has one, Tom >>>>(Ball) has one "does this mean Reg is going to be in the low rent area >>>>again?", Brice (Adams) has one, Bob (Matthews) has just ask for a spot >>>>and it is done....... Anyone else? Also I have been tossing around >>>>some other ideas, more later. Contact me or write the list if you need >>>>camper space or if I did not include you on this short list. Leroy >>>>Clark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jul 26 15:42:23 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:42:23 +0800 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000e01c6b104$c6b5da30$32f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies > Hi Guys, > A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October > and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible > during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. > > > > I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most > engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance > of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. > > Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and > you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would > be really great. > > I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will > miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives > there!! > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jul 26 17:54:53 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:54:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003d01c6b117$45dca4d0$210110ac@service> Jerry, on 04/10 when he is in Kojonup for lunch i am 40kms away, if he is on a bus time would be a problem, if he is on a self drive we may be able to arrange something, cheers for now, Chester Smith West Aussie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies > Hi Guys, > A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October > and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible > during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. > > > > I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most > engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance > of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. > > Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and > you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would > be really great. > > I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will > miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives > there!! > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Jul 26 18:22:28 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:22:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000e01c6b104$c6b5da30$32f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000901c6b11b$20de22e0$0f84dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Peter.Did you mean to add to this post and forgot or have I missed something??? EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:42 Subject: Re: [SEL] For the Aussies > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:27 AM > Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies > > > > Hi Guys, > > A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October > > and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible > > during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. > > > > > > > > I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most > > engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance > > of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. > > > > Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and > > you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would > > be really great. > > > > I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will > > miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives > > there!! > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 00:19:29 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:19:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. Message-ID: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Eastern State Hospital has been here since 1891. One of our old well houses has a Venn-Severin four cylinder engine to power a generator. It appears to be a hot bulb oil engine or a two cycle diesel. It has 300hp at 324 rpm. The engine number is 5660. I was trying to find more information on it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We replied with what information we had, and asked about the possibility of the engine being released for preservation. We also asked for permission to post the informatioon to the engine Lists for others to see. David replied: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for the reply. The engine is not running and has not for an unknown number of years. It is stored indoors. Unfortunately thieves have broken into the building and stolen some copper from the engine, i.e. fuel or oil lines and the governor. They also damaged the generator in an attempt to take its copper. Our Support Services Director expressed some interest about getting it into a museum or to a collector that would be interested in restoring it. The State is not going to restore it and most likely will eventually be scrapped. Go ahead and make the post. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We are not in a position to do anything here in the UK, but this might be the sort of thing that someone in the area might want to take up and maybe help out with getting some pictures posted etc etc. David's email address is: snipesdl at dshs.wa.gov Tel: 509-299-4545 or 509-299-3121 Fax: 509-299-7015 We would like to know how any contacts go, and if any pictures are taken could they be made available for the Lists please? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oldironnut at alltel.net Sat Jul 29 04:51:07 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:51:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> References: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: Howdy all, I'm trying to help a guy that contacted Rob about a Foos engine. Does anyone have a picture of the mixer on a 1920'ish 3-1/2 hp Foos J? From the picture that he sent to me it has what I'm bettin' is the mixer, although it's quite different than the mixer on my 1910 Foos Jr. So, a good picture of a later model J mixer would help me clear this up. The original mixer on my Foos Jr. was made out of brass. Is the mixer on a later model J made out of cast iron? Thanks, Mike From billalan at busynet.net Sat Jul 29 06:26:15 2006 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:26:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CB61F7.1020209@busynet.net> Leroy, I don't know if Ed contacted you yet, but reserve a spot for us also. We should be making the trek down, probably on Tuesday or Wednesday, and leaving Saturday. As far as I know, it will be myself, my dad, and brother. We will need room for one pop-up camper. Thanks - Bill From billalan at busynet.net Sat Jul 29 06:26:21 2006 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:26:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> Dave, Put us down for three for the dinner. Thanks - Bill From old_iron at msn.com Sat Jul 29 06:50:58 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:50:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping In-Reply-To: <000c01c6b0f1$bc11ae00$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Thanks a bunch! Bill Jr is doing OK with his Hobby Shop/Slot Car Track, William will be coming with us, and Bill Sr has trouble breathing in the heat, other than that were doing a day at a time. See You and Brandy soon! XOXOX Peg >From: "Leroy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:26:09 -0400 > >Got ya covered.... Hope everyone and everything is good? >----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:50 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping > > >>Hello: >> >>Leroy, >> >>We would also like to "reserve" a spot on your list, we will get there >>either very late Monday or early Tuesday and be leaving very early Friday >>morning. >> >>Bill Jr. opened a hobby shop the day after Thanksgiving last year so he >>won't be attending. >> >>See Ya, >>Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >> >>PS: Yes we are bringing the 29' trailer with the pull out room again. >> >> >>>From: "Leroy" >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >>>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:57 -0400 >>> >>>Done, it will be good to see you again this year. Leroy >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" >>> >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 AM >>>Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland camping >>> >>> >>>>Hi Leroy, >>>> >>>>I am planning to be at Portland again this year, and would like a >>>>camping spot for my truck. >>>>Looking forward to seeing you all, soon. >>>> >>>>Pete Stauffer >>>>Hidden away amongst the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, USA >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Leroy" >>>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>>> >>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" , >>>>>"oldengine list" >>>>>Subject: [SEL] Portland camping >>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:29:54 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone know who is saving the ATIS camping area this year please? >>>>>>I would be grateful if they could email me off list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I got this today and yes maybe it is time to start reserving some space >>>>>for campers in Portland. I have one , my friend Paul has one, Tom >>>>>(Ball) has one "does this mean Reg is going to be in the low rent area >>>>>again?", Brice (Adams) has one, Bob (Matthews) has just ask for a spot >>>>>and it is done....... Anyone else? Also I have been tossing around >>>>>some other ideas, more later. Contact me or write the list if you need >>>>>camper space or if I did not include you on this short list. Leroy >>>>>Clark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>SEL mailing list >>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 29 06:52:12 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:52:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20060729135159.KZP13704.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I finally had a chance to get together the pics of the Crossley OO I dragged home for my mate last weekend. It is an impressive beast: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crossleyoo.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Jul 29 07:26:10 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:26:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607291426.k6TEQIxH080256@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wayne Thackery or John Merry, both frequent contributors to Harry's Smokstak might be interested in the engine. Wayne is an old hand when it comes to big iron. He would see to it that this engine would be preserved and most likely moved to the Brooks, Oregon, show grounds. John Merry lives not very far from Medical Lake. Both John and Wayne are away from their computers, busy at Brooks this weekend. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:19 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Eastern State Hospital has been here since 1891. One of our old well houses has a Venn-Severin four cylinder engine to power a generator. It appears to be a hot bulb oil engine or a two cycle diesel. It has 300hp at 324 rpm. The engine number is 5660. I was trying to find more information on it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We replied with what information we had, and asked about the possibility of the engine being released for preservation. We also asked for permission to post the informatioon to the engine Lists for others to see. David replied: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for the reply. The engine is not running and has not for an unknown number of years. It is stored indoors. Unfortunately thieves have broken into the building and stolen some copper from the engine, i.e. fuel or oil lines and the governor. They also damaged the generator in an attempt to take its copper. Our Support Services Director expressed some interest about getting it into a museum or to a collector that would be interested in restoring it. The State is not going to restore it and most likely will eventually be scrapped. Go ahead and make the post. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We are not in a position to do anything here in the UK, but this might be the sort of thing that someone in the area might want to take up and maybe help out with getting some pictures posted etc etc. David's email address is: snipesdl at dshs.wa.gov Tel: 509-299-4545 or 509-299-3121 Fax: 509-299-7015 We would like to know how any contacts go, and if any pictures are taken could they be made available for the Lists please? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 29 07:31:13 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:31:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around Message-ID: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It has been a busy few weekends dragging home old iron. All for other people and not for me :( At least I get to play with some nice toys :) First trip, bringing home the 10hp Blackstone for Ron: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070234.JPG The following weekend a nice 6hp Austral for Ron: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070801.JPG a good load behind Ron's Nissan as well: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070802.JPG The next weekend was a 1300km trip to bring home a Blackstone and a Sundiesel: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071502.JPG Ron had the transporters for the two engines and a complete Tangye in his trailer: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071505.JPG and of course last weekend was the big Crossley: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG This weekend I am not towing anything anywhere which makes for a nice change. I did run some engines today (sadly none of mine). A nice 8hp Blackstone that had not been run for quite a while. It started first try. As well as firing up a 16hp Tangye and a Hornsby Oil Engine. I did pick up some parts for one of my R&Vs so my own engines were not completely left out :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 29 13:24:21 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:24:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> References: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> Three it is Bill. See you there! Dave At 09:26 AM 7/29/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > >Put us down for three for the dinner. >Thanks - Bill >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Jul 30 04:03:28 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:03:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around In-Reply-To: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks for the great pics Patrick. You have been busy. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:31:13 +1000 > >It has been a busy few weekends dragging home old iron. All for other >people >and not for me :( At least I get to play with some nice toys :) >First trip, bringing home the 10hp Blackstone for Ron: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070234.JPG >The following weekend a nice 6hp Austral for Ron: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070801.JPG >a good load behind Ron's Nissan as well: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070802.JPG >The next weekend was a 1300km trip to bring home a Blackstone and a >Sundiesel: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071502.JPG >Ron had the transporters for the two engines and a complete Tangye in his >trailer: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071505.JPG >and of course last weekend was the big Crossley: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG > >This weekend I am not towing anything anywhere which makes for a nice >change. I did run some engines today (sadly none of mine). A nice 8hp >Blackstone that had not been run for quite a while. It started first try. >As >well as firing up a 16hp Tangye and a Hornsby Oil Engine. I did pick up >some >parts for one of my R&Vs so my own engines were not completely left out :) > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Sun Jul 30 14:47:27 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> Save gas going to your next engine show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From oldengin at verizon.net Sun Jul 30 17:03:19 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:03:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] findlay References: <44CB61F7.1020209@busynet.net> Message-ID: <002701c6b434$bbbe0750$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... Leroy From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Jul 30 18:11:00 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:11:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] findlay Message-ID: <000601c6b43e$4801fe20$85610b42@computer> Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on getting there with part of the families on thur. George -----Original Message----- From: Leroy To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] findlay >is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >Leroy > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 30 18:56:01 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:56:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <44CD6331.3050808@scrtc.com> Neat video Frank. One thing I'll have to say for that steamer, its ground speed is the fastest I've seen. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Save gas going to your next engine show. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= > > Frank > From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 30 21:16:52 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:16:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay In-Reply-To: <000601c6b43e$4801fe20$85610b42@computer> Message-ID: <000001c6b458$2846fb20$adbb5904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will be held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & Norma Armstrong Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on getting there with part of the families on thur. George -----Original Message----- From: Leroy To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] findlay >is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >Leroy > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 01:01:56 2006 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:01:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: You can see how behind the British were. We were using these things upto and even after the 2nd war!! John. >From: Frank DeWitt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:27 -0400 > >Save gas going to your next engine show. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= > >Frank > > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >HONOR GOD >SERVE PEOPLE >DEVELOP EXCELLENCE >GROW PROFITABLE >FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES > > Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 > LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 > 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| > Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 01:07:35 2006 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels Message-ID: You can see how far behind the British were.We were using these things till after the second war!! John From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Jul 31 01:47:36 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:47:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <035a01c6b47d$f91bacd0$8335c53e@doc> I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler BB's (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre field behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the end of WWII. As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields, dredge pools and pull out stumps for many years after that. I do not know if they are still working, but they almost certainly still exist. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > john palmer > Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08 > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels > > You can see how far behind the British were.We were using > these things till > after the second war!! John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Jul 31 03:19:54 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: References: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> >It must be the time of year for draggin some iron home. Due to a >recent re-laps into engine mania I was over come by a weak moment >and also found myself; like Patrick and the boys; doing a deal on >another bit of old iron. After looking at buying and engine from >ebay (I didn't win it) I decided to chat to the person listing to >ask what if anything else could be for sale. Well after a few >e-amils and phone conversations I became the new owner of a realy >nice little 1904 3.5hp Portable Hornsby. It's the smallest that >Hornsby's made in the portable oil engines and rarely come up for >sale. I just couldn't resist and I weakend dramatically to the point >where life wouldn't be worth living unless it was home in my >shed!! (well maybe not that dramatic but it's a hoot having in my >collection) Anyway the engine is seized but vertualy complete. The >transport is all factory original with the Hornsby embossed >lettering on the hubs. Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. I asked Dad if he had been to Roma in Queensland and if he wanted to come for a little drive to pick it up. He asked how long we would be gone for and I mentioned; Up Thursday and back Friday; Sounded good......! Well we decided to leave home after tea on the Wednesday to allow a bit more time. Got back 3pm on the friday .............. Now some think we are silly but it was only 1675 km each way! The total trip was 3341 km in just 43.5 hours. It takes a trip like this to really appreciate how big our country is because when you look at a map it just doesn't seem that far. Well we had very little trouble, not much sleep and managed to not hit any kangaroos! The roads were pretty crappy and at times our speed was some 30km per hour slower than we anticipated. Anyway all is good and the little engine is now home. I sleeped 11 hours straight that night. I have to thank dad for the company. Pictures are up on my webshots; the link at the bottom in my sig. cheers, Russ Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 31 03:37:58 2006 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:37:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around References: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001401c6b48d$654c5e90$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Patrick, after a week or so break - which I'm sure you deserve - do you reckon you could bring one home for me. Naturally I would pay for your fuel, food, o'night accom and and even beer if so required. Now that's not a bad deal eh? Mike Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around > It has been a busy few weekends dragging home old iron. All for other people > and not for me :( At least I get to play with some nice toys :) > First trip, bringing home the 10hp Blackstone for Ron: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070234.JPG > The following weekend a nice 6hp Austral for Ron: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070801.JPG > a good load behind Ron's Nissan as well: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070802.JPG > The next weekend was a 1300km trip to bring home a Blackstone and a > Sundiesel: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071502.JPG > Ron had the transporters for the two engines and a complete Tangye in his > trailer: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071505.JPG > and of course last weekend was the big Crossley: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG > > This weekend I am not towing anything anywhere which makes for a nice > change. I did run some engines today (sadly none of mine). A nice 8hp > Blackstone that had not been run for quite a while. It started first try. As > well as firing up a 16hp Tangye and a Hornsby Oil Engine. I did pick up some > parts for one of my R&Vs so my own engines were not completely left out :) > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 04:11:55 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:11:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russ. What can I say mate except bloody ripper. Well done and thanks for the pics. Regards Lyndsay PS---Curiosity mate --------What engine number is she. >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +1000 > > >>It must be the time of year for draggin some iron home. Due to a recent >>re-laps into engine mania I was over come by a weak moment and also found >>myself; like Patrick and the boys; doing a deal on another bit of old >>iron. After looking at buying and engine from ebay (I didn't win it) I >>decided to chat to the person listing to ask what if anything else could >>be for sale. Well after a few e-amils and phone conversations I became the >>new owner of a realy nice little 1904 3.5hp Portable Hornsby. It's the >>smallest that Hornsby's made in the portable oil engines and rarely come >>up for sale. I just couldn't resist and I weakend dramatically to the >>point where life wouldn't be worth living unless it was home in my shed!! >>(well maybe not that dramatic but it's a hoot having in my collection) >>Anyway the engine is seized but vertualy complete. The transport is all >>factory original with the Hornsby embossed lettering on the hubs. > > >Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. I asked Dad if >he had been to Roma in Queensland and if he wanted to come for a little >drive to pick it up. He asked how long we would be gone for and I >mentioned; Up Thursday and back Friday; Sounded good......! Well we decided >to leave home after tea on the Wednesday to allow a bit more time. Got back >3pm on the friday .............. Now some think we are silly but it was >only 1675 km each way! The total trip was 3341 km in just 43.5 hours. It >takes a trip like this to really appreciate how big our country is because >when you look at a map it just doesn't seem that far. Well we had very >little trouble, not much sleep and managed to not hit any kangaroos! The >roads were pretty crappy and at times our speed was some 30km per hour >slower than we anticipated. Anyway all is good and the little engine is now >home. I sleeped 11 hours straight that night. I have to thank dad for the >company. Pictures are up on my webshots; the link at the bottom in my sig. > >cheers, Russ > > > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Jul 31 05:51:34 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.h at wcoil.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:51:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay References: <000001c6b458$2846fb20$adbb5904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <000601c6b4a0$0e4f6890$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> FINDLAY OHIO 35 Annual show Aug 3-6th Daily Admission $2.00 page 326 of the show directory Featuring Allis Chalmers Tractors and Oil Field Engines state route 568 1017 E Sandusky st Latitude: 41? 2 Min. 39 Sec. Longitude: -83? 39 Min. 0 Sec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Findlay > Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will > be > held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do > not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. > > Lyle Myles > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & > Norma > Armstrong > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay > > Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on > getting > there with part of the families on thur. George > -----Original Message----- > From: Leroy > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] findlay > > >>is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >>Leroy >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Mon Jul 31 07:30:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:30:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay In-Reply-To: <000601c6b4a0$0e4f6890$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> Message-ID: <000001c6b4ad$eb6cb630$5964fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8> Leroy Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. I'm happy that this is only a few miles from my home and I plan on being there about every day. Again, thank for taking the time on this. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of don.h at wcoil.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay FINDLAY OHIO 35 Annual show Aug 3-6th Daily Admission $2.00 page 326 of the show directory Featuring Allis Chalmers Tractors and Oil Field Engines state route 568 1017 E Sandusky st Latitude: 41? 2 Min. 39 Sec. Longitude: -83? 39 Min. 0 Sec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Findlay > Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will > be > held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do > not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. > > Lyle Myles > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & > Norma > Armstrong > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay > > Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on > getting > there with part of the families on thur. George > -----Original Message----- > From: Leroy > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] findlay > > >>is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >>Leroy >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jul 31 07:56:23 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:56:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On 7/31/06 3:19 AM, "Russell Gilbert" wrote: > Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. Hi Russ, That sure is a sweet engine -- all original, pretty much complete, beautiful Aussie cart. The 3 1/2 looks to be a good sized hunk of iron. Good work. Rob From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Mon Jul 31 08:04:44 2006 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> References: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave, Thanks again for all your work on the dinner and auction. I plan to attend. Brice From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 31 08:49:32 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:49:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What are the tank requirements at Portland? Message-ID: <44CE268C.9030704@imc-group.com> A local engine fellow is considering bringing his 22 1/2HP Bessemer for his annual trek to Portland this year. He has displayed plenty of engines in the past, but this would be his first time displaying an oil field engine. The engine is nicely restored and was in GEM a few years ago. But he has a question about the LP tanks. He is using the 100# tank and is wondering about the show's requirements to hold the tanks in the vertical position. Are there speciific rules at Portland regarding strapping the tank to something on the engine to assure it can't be knocked over? Or is free standing OK? If strapping is required, is it sufficient to put up a fence post and strap the tank to it? Thanks, Curt Holland (for Clayton Ballard) cc: Clayton Ballard cpballard1 at bellsouth.net From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 09:02:23 2006 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] findlay In-Reply-To: <002701c6b434$bbbe0750$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <20060731160223.33025.qmail@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would not miss this show. --- Leroy wrote: > is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, > and see you there....... > Leroy > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Mon Jul 31 11:07:01 2006 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:07:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 30 References: <200607311600.k6VG04dV028508@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <003701c6b4cc$1eedd930$0400a8c0@user783e64edcc> Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:27 -0400 From: Frank DeWitt Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658 at lbpinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-341152D0 Save gas going to your next engine show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= Frank And the best bit is that there are a LOT more to look at! 8^) Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au 8^) Runnin' with the wind ... From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 31 11:31:12 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:31:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL Message-ID: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> Guys, The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice documentation..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Jul 31 12:57:21 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:57:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels Message-ID: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net> Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US? I have never seen a reference to it. Also, what was the advantage of plowing a feild in this way beside the fact that the engines were not traveling through the feild, I guess what I am trying to say is, was this method quicker than pulling the plow behind a smaller tractor? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Peter Scales > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/31/2006 5:47:40 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels > > I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler BB's > (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - > http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre field > behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the end > of WWII. As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields, dredge pools > and pull out stumps for many years after that. I do not know if they are > still working, but they almost certainly still exist. > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > john palmer > > Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08 > > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels > > > > You can see how far behind the British were.We were using > > these things till > > after the second war!! John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 31 13:29:34 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels In-Reply-To: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2381.165.206.180.19.1154377774.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have a magazine from 1919 that shows it being done in Russia and I thought talked about it elsewhere, but I'd have to look. IF I remember, I'll try to dig up that article. It was quite interesting! Bill > Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US? I have never > seen a reference to it. Also, what was the advantage of plowing a feild > in > this way beside the fact that the engines were not traveling through the > feild, I guess what I am trying to say is, was this method quicker than > pulling the plow behind a smaller tractor? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Peter Scales >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:47:40 AM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels >> >> I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler > BB's >> (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - >> http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre > field >> behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the > end >> of WWII. As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields, dredge > pools >> and pull out stumps for many years after that. I do not know if they >> are >> still working, but they almost certainly still exist. >> >> Regards >> >> Pete >> -- >> Peter Scales >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> > john palmer >> > Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08 >> > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels >> > >> > You can see how far behind the British were.We were using >> > these things till >> > after the second war!! John >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: >> 7/28/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 31 14:13:50 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:13:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels In-Reply-To: <035a01c6b47d$f91bacd0$8335c53e@doc> References: <035a01c6b47d$f91bacd0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <80327731148938b3b54518e01e0d7119@chartertn.net> The ground was broken for the Bristol drag strip in the 1950s with a steam tractor. John On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Peter Scales wrote: > I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler > BB's > (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - > http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre > field > behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after > the end > of WWII. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jul 31 14:29:43 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:29:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the shows! Dolly Curt wrote: > Guys, > The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems > to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice > documentation..... > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Jul 31 14:52:33 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:52:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801075143.01970780@ncable.com.au> Thanks Lyndsay, engine number 12350 Russell At 09:11 PM 31/07/2006, you wrote: >Hi Russ. What can I say mate except bloody ripper. Well done and >thanks for the pics. > > >Regards >Lyndsay > >PS---Curiosity mate --------What engine number is she. > > > >>From: Russell Gilbert >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season >>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +1000 >> >> >>>It must be the time of year for draggin some iron home. Due to a >>>recent re-laps into engine mania I was over come by a weak moment >>>and also found myself; like Patrick and the boys; doing a deal on >>>another bit of old iron. After looking at buying and engine from >>>ebay (I didn't win it) I decided to chat to the person listing to >>>ask what if anything else could be for sale. Well after a few >>>e-amils and phone conversations I became the new owner of a realy >>>nice little 1904 3.5hp Portable Hornsby. It's the smallest that >>>Hornsby's made in the portable oil engines and rarely come up for >>>sale. I just couldn't resist and I weakend dramatically to the >>>point where life wouldn't be worth living unless it was home in my shed!! >>>(well maybe not that dramatic but it's a hoot having in my collection) >>>Anyway the engine is seized but vertualy complete. The transport >>>is all factory original with the Hornsby embossed lettering on the hubs. >> >> >>Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. I >>asked Dad if he had been to Roma in Queensland and if he wanted to >>come for a little drive to pick it up. He asked how long we would >>be gone for and I mentioned; Up Thursday and back Friday; Sounded >>good......! Well we decided to leave home after tea on the >>Wednesday to allow a bit more time. Got back 3pm on the friday >>.............. Now some think we are silly but it was only 1675 km >>each way! The total trip was 3341 km in just 43.5 hours. It takes >>a trip like this to really appreciate how big our country is >>because when you look at a map it just doesn't seem that far. Well >>we had very little trouble, not much sleep and managed to not hit >>any kangaroos! The roads were pretty crappy and at times our speed >>was some 30km per hour slower than we anticipated. Anyway all is >>good and the little engine is now home. I sleeped 11 hours straight >>that night. I have to thank dad for the company. Pictures are up >>on my webshots; the link at the bottom in my sig. >> >>cheers, Russ >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jul 31 15:05:16 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:05:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL Message-ID: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm > [Original Message] > From: Jim French > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the shows! > > Dolly From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Jul 31 15:10:11 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c6b4ee$17d551b0$6400a8c0@home> is this what your looking for ? http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/photoalbum.shtml Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! > > Dolly > > Curt wrote: > >> Guys, >> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems to >> work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice >> documentation..... >> > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 31 16:03:27 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:03:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL References: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm >> From: Jim French >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? >> It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! >> Dolly Hi Guys, I did the origional of this a few years ago. It needs re-making again (preferably in the dead winter season to stop the fights) 8^) I am not up to doing it now & last year asked for someone else to do it. A few people said they would consider being the host but so far nothing has started. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:59:38 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:59:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] babbit article Message-ID: Hi Curt, Been meaning to drop a note to tell you how much I enjoyed your babbit article in GEM. Even though you had posted all the pictures and write up on the list, I still enjoyed reading it all thru again. Thanks for taking the time to take all the photos, write ups, and submitting to GEM. I am going to make use of your tips. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From segray at mlode.com Mon Jul 31 17:29:22 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:29:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com> You referring to this, Dolly? I took this over for Dave Croft a while back. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html CYA - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim French wrote: > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! > > Dolly > > Curt wrote: > >> Guys, >> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer >> seems to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very >> nice documentation..... >> > > > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 31 17:59:46 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:59:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com> Message-ID: But the picture link is broken :( Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL You referring to this, Dolly? I took this over for Dave Croft a while back. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html CYA - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim French wrote: > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! > > Dolly > > Curt wrote: > >> Guys, >> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer >> seems to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very >> nice documentation..... >> > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 31 18:01:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:01:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay In-Reply-To: <000001c6b4ad$eb6cb630$5964fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000601c6b4a0$0e4f6890$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> <000001c6b4ad$eb6cb630$5964fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060731205835.01afc630@mail.alltel.net> Hi Lyle, I can't be there. I'm off to FL at sparrow's fart in the morning! Arnie will have to fill in for me. I've given him signage for Portland. Perhaps he will put one up at Findlay! Dave At 10:30 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote: >Leroy >Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. I'm happy that this is only >a few miles from my home and I plan on being there about every day. Again, >thank for taking the time on this. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >don.h at wcoil.com >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:52 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay > > >FINDLAY OHIO 35 Annual show >Aug 3-6th >Daily Admission $2.00 >page 326 of the show directory >Featuring Allis Chalmers Tractors and Oil Field Engines >state route 568 >1017 E Sandusky st >Latitude: 41? 2 Min. 39 Sec. >Longitude: -83? 39 Min. 0 Sec > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lyle Myles" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:16 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Findlay > > > > Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will > > be > > held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do > > not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. > > > > Lyle Myles > > > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > > has > > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & > > Norma > > Armstrong > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay > > > > Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on > > getting > > there with part of the families on thur. George > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leroy > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > > Subject: [SEL] findlay > > > > > >>is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... > >>Leroy > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 31 18:04:55 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:04:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: References: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060731210349.03a3a8b8@mail.alltel.net> Got you down for one (?) Brice. Are you not bringing that gal that you are sleeping with this year? Dave At 11:04 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > > Thanks again for all your work on the dinner and auction. I plan > to attend. > >Brice From doug11k at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 18:07:21 2006 From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:07:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike, Yes, the Model J had a cast iron mixer & it was moved to near the center of the head as is the intake valve. On the Juniors brass mixer & intake valve cage are in line with the exhaust valve cage on governor side. I believe the cast iron mixer is nearly identical to the Juniors except made of cast iron instead of brass. I have three Juniors but no J's. Doug >From: Michael Tucker >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:51:07 -0400 > >Howdy all, > >I'm trying to help a guy that contacted Rob about a Foos engine. Does >anyone have a picture of the mixer on a 1920'ish 3-1/2 hp Foos J? From the >picture that he sent to me it has what I'm bettin' is the mixer, although >it's quite different than the mixer on my 1910 Foos Jr. So, a good picture >of a later model J mixer would help me clear this up. > >The original mixer on my Foos Jr. was made out of brass. Is the mixer on a >later model J made out of cast iron? > >Thanks, >Mike >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Mon Jul 31 19:27:23 2006 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1>; from dave.croft@ntlworld.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:03:27AM +0100 References: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com> <002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <20060731212723.A17504@ralph.lafayette.la.us> I had rearranged my website a while back and, apparently, it broke some of Dave Croft's links. I think I have it fixed up where Dave's links work again. I'm not going to be able to make it to Portland this year so you guys need to lots of good individual photos of SEL members and send them to me to update the Rogue's List. There are still quite a fair number of people who are not represented in the pictures. Many of the pictures need to be updated. Have fun at Portland! Pete. On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:03:27AM +0100, Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Christison" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm > >> From: Jim French > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > >> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > >> It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > > shows! > >> Dolly > > Hi Guys, I did the origional of this a few years ago. > It needs re-making again (preferably in the dead winter season to stop the fights) 8^) > I am not up to doing it now & last year asked for someone else to do it. > A few people said they would consider being the host but so far nothing has started. > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 31 19:58:02 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:58:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL References: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com><002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1> <20060731212723.A17504@ralph.lafayette.la.us> Message-ID: <00fa01c6b516$50087f80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aw, Pete, I am coming from half a world away and I aint gunna get the cuddle from your lady?? How can ya do this to me?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Alleman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >I had rearranged my website a while back and, apparently, it broke some of > Dave Croft's links. I think I have it fixed up where Dave's links work > again. > > I'm not going to be able to make it to Portland this year so you guys need > to lots of good individual photos of SEL members and send them to me to > update the Rogue's List. There are still quite a fair number of people > who are not represented in the pictures. Many of the pictures need to be > updated. > > Have fun at Portland! > > Pete. > > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:03:27AM +0100, Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Christison" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >> >> >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm >> >> From: Jim French >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >> >> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? >> >> It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the >> > shows! >> >> Dolly >> >> Hi Guys, I did the origional of this a few years ago. >> It needs re-making again (preferably in the dead winter season to stop >> the fights) 8^) >> I am not up to doing it now & last year asked for someone else to do it. >> A few people said they would consider being the host but so far nothing >> has started. >> >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA > pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us > HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon Jul 31 20:28:20 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:28:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CECA54.1040103@mlode.com> Your link seems to work, Glenn, at least it worked for me. Anyone else find links that don't work? Other than loading the intros site to my server, I haven't worked on it. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Glenn Wilson wrote: >But the picture link is broken :( >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 23:39:22 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:39:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160607312339k76e1277t4e3c4c095ed6179b@mail.gmail.com> On 29/07/06, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security > Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800: > David emailed some pictures overnight: http://www.oldengine.org.members/diesel/Misc/StateWell4Cylengine.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellEnginebrandplate.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGenerator.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellBrandPlatefactoryinfo.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellExteriorroughprint.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGeneratorcloseup.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGlowPlugheater.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 05:24:08 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? In-Reply-To: <002901c69af6$dd1549b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <20060702122408.55958.qmail@web37315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Or is everybody just too busy to sit down at the puter? Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-66372025-1151843048=:52356 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 2 05:56:59 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:56:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <492.46018fd.31d91c9b@aol.com> Alan, I think it is the combination of 4th holiday and many shows and other stuff going on across the country this weekend. Went to Southeast Old Threshers Reunion at Denton, NC for the day on Friday (3 hr ride) and had a great time looking at all the engines and seeing a number of folks. Also sold an engine. That show now charges $12 entrance, so I carry an engine to display, but have also been putting a for sale sign too. Have a nice day! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jul 2 16:05:19 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:05:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? Message-ID: <000e01c69e2b$feacaef0$6400a8c0@home> Just got this yesterday from a friend , I think it's a Standard but not 100% sure , It has no tags ,names or numbers on it , It starts up on one pull and purrs like a kitten , however It does not have any way to oil the rod and main bearings so I think it runs on a gas oik mix like a two cycle so I mixed up a 32to1 gas mix , It does have a oiler on the cyilnder but I don't think it oils the crank , you can see the Pics Here http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551892719 Life is Goood ! Rex Hinz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 2 16:58:25 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:58:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <20060702.200521.1032.9.jlb94@juno.com> I'm painting the house - So - I guess I'm pretty busy. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "A wallet is a device that permits you to lose (_o_) all your valuables at the same time." From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Jul 2 17:57:55 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:57:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <329.7066d0e.31d9c593@aol.com> Pip, The List is still up, I guess everyone is just out doing something else. See'ya, Bill Miller -------------------------------1151888275 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jul 2 18:34:37 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:34:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? Message-ID: <580241584.1151890477960.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> ---- Rex Hinz wrote: > Just got this yesterday from a friend , I think it's a Standard but not 100% sure , It has no tags ,names or numbers on it , It starts up on one pull and purrs like a kitten , however It does not have any way to oil the rod and main bearings so I think it runs on a gas oik mix like a two cycle so I mixed up a 32to1 gas mix , It does have a oiler on the cyilnder but I don't think it oils the crank , you can see the Pics Here > Rex, this is a 4 cycle, fuel is going through the valve to the cylinder, no way will it oil the crank and rod. J.B. Castagnos Belle ROse, LA From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jul 2 18:40:07 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? Message-ID: <789179052.1151890807139.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> ---- "Joseph L. Betz" wrote: > I'm painting the house - So - I guess I'm pretty busy. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Just finished painting my house Joe. Got an estimate, $4300 to paint the trim on a brick house. My wife asked if I wanted to get another estimate, I told her no, I'll paint it myself and save $4300. If we had a $ 2500 estimate I could only save $2500. This gives me a lot more engine mbney. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rex002 at centurytel.net Sun Jul 2 19:07:07 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:07:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? References: <580241584.1151890477960.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <000601c69e45$643cdc40$6400a8c0@home> Right you are JB , I wasn't tinking , So I guess the oiler has to take care of lube for the crank , Thanks for the reply , Jb You Wrote ; > Rex, this is a 4 cycle, fuel is going through the valve to the cylinder, > no way will it oil the crank and rod. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle ROse, LA > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 2 19:57:57 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:57:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? References: <789179052.1151890807139.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <002e01c69e4d$09dbd4b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I like that sort of logic!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Just finished painting my house Joe. Got an estimate, $4300 to paint the > trim on a brick house. My wife asked if I wanted to get another estimate, > I told her no, I'll paint it myself and save $4300. If we had a $ 2500 > estimate I could only save $2500. This gives me a lot more engine mbney. > J.B. Castagnos From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 2 20:01:01 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:01:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? References: <580241584.1151890477960.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <000601c69e45$643cdc40$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <002f01c69e4d$0a2f4be0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Something is working right if it lasted this long. On the vertical models I have made, the oil collects in the bottom and oils that area. (Prior to exiting anywhere it can!) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? > Right you are JB , I wasn't tinking , So I guess the oiler has to take > care of lube for the crank , Thanks for the reply , > > Jb You Wrote ; >> Rex, this is a 4 cycle, fuel is going through the valve to the cylinder, >> no way will it oil the crank and rod. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle ROse, LA >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 04:39:14 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:39:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is the list down? In-Reply-To: <329.7066d0e.31d9c593@aol.com> References: <329.7066d0e.31d9c593@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060703073800.036e2ec0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:57 PM 7/2/2006, you wrote: >Pip, > >The List is still up, I guess everyone is just out doing something else. > >See'ya, Bill Miller Don't believe him Joe, I didn't get either your first post nor Bill's. Clearly the List id down! Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 07:11:40 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, I realize that this is about a tractor, but this particular tractor is the reason that I'm involved with old iron in the first place. Last Tuesday, my grandfather's 1948 SC Case tractor made the trailer ride from Texas to our new barn (at the new place that we're building) here in Kentucky. As a side note, when I was growing up we still used this tractor as a working tractor and it was my job to keep it running. There was born my love of old iron. Anyway, although we did a complete rebuild on the engine probably 25 years ago, the tractor hasn't run but maybe once in the 12 years that we've been in Kentucky. Late last week I pulled the gas tank and carburetor and this weekend Lincoln and his buddy put a scoop of gravel in the tank, tied it on to the wheel of our Farmall A (that we use for mowing) and drove it around to scrub out the crud that had built up in the tank. Meanwhile, I pulled the carburetor apart and cleaned it out. Yesterday we put it all back together, replaced the gas line and plugs, sanded off the points, changed the oil, put a new battery in and finally put water and gas in it. After just a few turns over compression it was purring like a kitten :-)! We all had fun driving it around before we put it away it its new home. Ah, life is GREAT! We'll have to pull the radiator for some repairs but then it will be ready to assume its job of mowing the pasture. See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 07:44:37 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:44:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). Message-ID: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> From time to time the subject of cleaning cast ron fuel tanks that are built into engine bases comes up. I've been working on this Alamo engine that has a tank cast into the base. Once I got the base turned over and the 3" bungs out of the bottom it was a mess inside. This engine had had lots of water in it as the first thing I did was to vacuum at least 5 pounds of rust dust out of it! As you can imagine there was still huge amounts of rust flakes remaining and it would be an impossible job to get your arm in a 3" opening and wire brush the flakes loose. Even then the results would have been marginal. Sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. Some estimates on the scale thickness, the surface area in the tank, and the pounds of iron oxide to dissolve were made. Then a few calculation for the required amount of acid needed to dissolve that rust were made. Also a few experiments were run in the lab, with different concentration of sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid was chosen because it has a much lower vapor pressure that the other commonly available acid, hydrochloric / muriatic. (An important consideration if you want to breath anywhere near the tank being treated!) Based on the lab tests it looked like 15% (by volume) sulphuric acid would remove the rust. For ease of mixing I decided to make it 25%. Here at the plant we buy bulk 99% pure sulphuric acid so I brought home a 5 gallon pail at the whopping high price of 57 cents per gallon :-) Like I said, sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. The plan was to fill the tank about 3/4 full while upside down and run a batch of acid. Then turn the base right side up, fill again 3/4 full and run the second batch thru. This would hopefully get the entire inside clean. When working will 99% sulphuric there are some rules you have to follow as this is some dangerous stuff! A full body suit, coveralls, Tyvec or something to cover all the skin, long rubber gloves, safety glasses or even better a full face shield. Most important is ALWAY add the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point of mixing. If one were to add the water to the acid I suspect the water being added would instantly turn to steam flashing one with acid. The volume of my tank is 13 gallons. 9 gallon of water was added to the tank first. Then 3 gallons of the 99% sulphuric acid was poured in a bucket. For added good measure the correct quantity of Tri Ethyl Amine was added to act as a corrosion inhibitor in case all the acid was not washed clean after. But the results would have been the same with or without the TEA. The TEA has to be added to the acid as it is not soluble in water. Once the TEA was added the 3 gallons of acid was poured into the 9 gallons of water in the tank. I was pouring into the 3" bung opening in the bottom of the tank, and that was damned interesting (and scary) watching the violent reaction of the acid and water mixing. Just the dilution of the acid in the water instantly took the temperature up to about 140?F. As the reaction cooked and worked on the rust, additional heat continued to build. This is good, because heat makes reactions work better. Admittedly I was a little concerned about eating up the rust and then having the acid attack the good base metal. So I only let the reaction run for 1 hour. I drained the acid into about 50# of soda ash to neutralize it. This produces lots of carbon dioxide gas an is excellent entertainment as it bubbles and puffs. The tank was washed out very well to remove any traces of acid. Then a shop vac hose was stuck in the tank to blow a large volume of air in the tank to quickly dry it before rust could start again. Once it was all dry the results were pretty decent. I would say it was 90% flake free with no damage to the base metal. This told me that on the next batch I would run it for 2 hours instead of just the 1 hour. The next day I turned the base over and ran another 25% concentration. I filled the tank within a gallon of being full to clean the rest of what I did not get the day before. This time the results were much better. The inside of the tank has a dry rust color patina, but there are no flakes of rust left. All in all I am very pleased with the results. In summary it looks like 25% sulphuric acid can be added to a cast iron gas tank and reacted for about 2 hours (at 90?F outside temperature), emptied and washed out well, and the results should be a well cleaned fuel tank ready for service. Hope this is useful information. Has anyone else tried this method? What were your results? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 08:05:03 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:05:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> Mike, The preacher in our engine club is a die hard Case fan. In fact he'll tell you his blood runnith orange. Cecil's tractors are known to not run on occasion and now the joke in our club is that Case tractors don't run. Sort of like Maytags on this list. Cecil takes all the ribbing about his stationary tractors with good humor. Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds credence to the Cecil's experiences. Good luck with the Flambeau tractor, and of course congratulations. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Mike Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > I realize that this is about a tractor, but this particular tractor is > the reason that I'm involved with old iron in the first place. Last > Tuesday, my grandfather's 1948 SC Case tractor made the trailer ride > from Texas to our new barn (at the new place that we're building) here > in Kentucky. As a side note, when I was growing up we still used this > tractor as a working tractor and it was my job to keep it running. > There was born my love of old iron. Anyway, although we did a > complete rebuild on the engine probably 25 years ago, the tractor > hasn't run but maybe once in the 12 years that we've been in Kentucky. > > Late last week I pulled the gas tank and carburetor and this weekend > Lincoln and his buddy put a scoop of gravel in the tank, tied it on to > the wheel of our Farmall A (that we use for mowing) and drove it > around to scrub out the crud that had built up in the tank. Meanwhile, > I pulled the carburetor apart and cleaned it out. Yesterday we put it > all back together, replaced the gas line and plugs, sanded off the > points, changed the oil, put a new battery in and finally put water > and gas in it. After just a few turns over compression it was purring > like a kitten :-)! We all had fun driving it around before we put it > away it its new home. Ah, life is GREAT! We'll have to pull the > radiator for some repairs but then it will be ready to assume its job > of mowing the pasture. > > See ya', > Mike > > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 3 08:04:05 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:04:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200607031004283.SM03324@wrbpc> Thanks for a thoughtful and complete report on this. Better than my technique of half-assed cleaning out the tank and then coating with quick-poly to bond the rust and coat the insides. Although with a sheet metal tank this sure is a good way to seal up any little leaks. Will file for reference. B? Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:45 AM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). From time to time the subject of cleaning cast ron fuel tanks that are built into engine bases comes up. I've been working on this Alamo engine that has a tank cast into the base. Once I got the base turned over and the 3" bungs out of the bottom it was a mess inside. This engine had had lots of water in it as the first thing I did was to vacuum at least 5 pounds of rust dust out of it! As you can imagine there was still huge amounts of rust flakes remaining and it would be an impossible job to get your arm in a 3" opening and wire brush the flakes loose. Even then the results would have been marginal. Sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. Some estimates on the scale thickness, the surface area in the tank, and the pounds of iron oxide to dissolve were made. Then a few calculation for the required amount of acid needed to dissolve that rust were made. Also a few experiments were run in the lab, with different concentration of sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid was chosen because it has a much lower vapor pressure that the other commonly available acid, hydrochloric / muriatic. (An important consideration if you want to breath anywhere near the tank being treated!) Based on the lab tests it looked like 15% (by volume) sulphuric acid would remove the rust. For ease of mixing I decided to make it 25%. Here at the plant we buy bulk 99% pure sulphuric acid so I brought home a 5 gallon pail at the whopping high price of 57 cents per gallon :-) Like I said, sometimes it's good to work in a chemical plant. The plan was to fill the tank about 3/4 full while upside down and run a batch of acid. Then turn the base right side up, fill again 3/4 full and run the second batch thru. This would hopefully get the entire inside clean. When working will 99% sulphuric there are some rules you have to follow as this is some dangerous stuff! A full body suit, coveralls, Tyvec or something to cover all the skin, long rubber gloves, safety glasses or even better a full face shield. Most important is ALWAY add the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point of mixing. If one were to add the water to the acid I suspect the water being added would instantly turn to steam flashing one with acid. The volume of my tank is 13 gallons. 9 gallon of water was added to the tank first. Then 3 gallons of the 99% sulphuric acid was poured in a bucket. For added good measure the correct quantity of Tri Ethyl Amine was added to act as a corrosion inhibitor in case all the acid was not washed clean after. But the results would have been the same with or without the TEA. The TEA has to be added to the acid as it is not soluble in water. Once the TEA was added the 3 gallons of acid was poured into the 9 gallons of water in the tank. I was pouring into the 3" bung opening in the bottom of the tank, and that was damned interesting (and scary) watching the violent reaction of the acid and water mixing. Just the dilution of the acid in the water instantly took the temperature up to about 140?F. As the reaction cooked and worked on the rust, additional heat continued to build. This is good, because heat makes reactions work better. Admittedly I was a little concerned about eating up the rust and then having the acid attack the good base metal. So I only let the reaction run for 1 hour. I drained the acid into about 50# of soda ash to neutralize it. This produces lots of carbon dioxide gas an is excellent entertainment as it bubbles and puffs. The tank was washed out very well to remove any traces of acid. Then a shop vac hose was stuck in the tank to blow a large volume of air in the tank to quickly dry it before rust could start again. Once it was all dry the results were pretty decent. I would say it was 90% flake free with no damage to the base metal. This told me that on the next batch I would run it for 2 hours instead of just the 1 hour. The next day I turned the base over and ran another 25% concentration. I filled the tank within a gallon of being full to clean the rest of what I did not get the day before. This time the results were much better. The inside of the tank has a dry rust color patina, but there are no flakes of rust left. All in all I am very pleased with the results. In summary it looks like 25% sulphuric acid can be added to a cast iron gas tank and reacted for about 2 hours (at 90?F outside temperature), emptied and washed out well, and the results should be a well cleaned fuel tank ready for service. Hope this is useful information. Has anyone else tried this method? What were your results? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 08:26:42 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:26:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <200607031004283.SM03324@wrbpc> References: <200607031004283.SM03324@wrbpc> Message-ID: <44A93732.7040103@imc-group.com> Bill, I do the same as you do on small tin tanks. This Alamo base is 49" long and weighs a 1000# I'd guess. Sloshing the inside with KwikPoly would have taken Paul Bunyon! Curt Bill Brueck wrote: >Thanks for a thoughtful and complete report on this. > >Better than my technique of half-assed cleaning out the tank and then >coating with quick-poly to bond the rust and coat the insides. Although >with a sheet metal tank this sure is a good way to seal up any little leaks. > >Will file for reference. > >B? > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 08:33:37 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:33:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds >credence to the Cecil's experiences. Curt, Don't be dissin' my tractor :-)! The reason that it's only run once in the last 12 years has nothing to do with the tractor itself. I was the last one to use it as a working tractor and when I moved to the Bluegrass it was parked in a remote corner of the shed and wasn't touched. It's about the lowest maintenance tractor that I've encountered (new or old) and I've used it for 1000's of hours mowing, discing and making money pulling stuck 4X4's out of the nearby lake. So maybe it's Cecil's mechanic skills need ribbing not his Flambeau gems :-)! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 09:16:27 2006 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:16:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Palmer in the UK In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060629204126.0219a388@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hello,my email address is ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com I am on vacation at the moment,can only get to computer every other day. John Palmer >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Looking for John Palmer in the UK >Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:45:21 +1000 > > >>G'day to our fine English folk! ............... :-) >Would any of you guys know of a Mr John Palmer? He often has classifieds in >the SEM but my past mags only shows his phone number. Would anyone know if >he an e-mail address? Any help would be great. >regards Russell > > > > > > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 3 10:22:56 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:22:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44A95270.9040503@imc-group.com> Mike, Susan and Lincoln are most appreciative of your new toy. You have opened up an endless opportunity for birthday and Christmas present ideas. Yes as long as you have a Case tractor there will alway be a need for tools, parts, manuals, etc. Ya know what Case stands for right? "_C_hrist!", _A_nother _S_urprise _E_xpense ;-) Curt P.S. Is driving 4x4's into lakes a Texas thing? Mike Tucker wrote: >> Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds >> credence to the Cecil's experiences. > > > Curt, > > Don't be dissin' my tractor :-)! The reason that it's only run once > in the last 12 years has nothing to do with the tractor itself. I was > the last one to use it as a working tractor and when I moved to the > Bluegrass it was parked in a remote corner of the shed and wasn't > touched. It's about the lowest maintenance tractor that I've > encountered (new or old) and I've used it for 1000's of hours mowing, > discing and making money pulling stuck 4X4's out of the nearby lake. > So maybe it's Cecil's mechanic skills need ribbing not his Flambeau > gems :-)! > > See ya', > Mike --------------020201070608050006090204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike,
Susan and Lincoln are most appreciative of your new toy. You have opened up an endless opportunity for birthday and Christmas present ideas. Yes as long as you have a Case tractor there will alway be a need for tools, parts, manuals, etc. Ya know what Case stands for right?
"Christ!",  Another Surprise Expense ;-)
Curt
P.S. Is driving 4x4's into lakes a Texas thing?

Mike Tucker wrote:
Knowing that your's has run once in the last 12 years sort of adds credence to the Cecil's experiences.

Curt,

Don't be dissin' my tractor :-)!  The reason that it's only run once in the last 12 years has nothing to do with the tractor itself.  I was the last one to use it as a working tractor and when I moved to the Bluegrass it was parked in a remote corner of the shed and wasn't touched.  It's about the lowest maintenance tractor that I've encountered (new or old) and I've used it for 1000's of hours mowing, discing and making money pulling stuck 4X4's out of the nearby lake. So maybe it's Cecil's mechanic skills need ribbing not his Flambeau gems :-)!

See ya',
Mike

From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 10:59:24 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Old Iron Weekend In-Reply-To: <44A95270.9040503@imc-group.com> References: <44A2DEAF.3060903@imc-group.com> <44A9321F.1040003@imc-group.com> <44A95270.9040503@imc-group.com> Message-ID: >P.S. Is driving 4x4's into lakes a Texas thing? Believe it or not, in Texas 4X4's are actually for driving off road rather than to the grocery store. And since it's Texas, the lakes often get low on water in the summer due to lack of rain which opens up new challenges for trying to get from one part of the lake bed to another. That, in turn opened up money making possibilities for yours truly when the 4X4 bottomed out in the mud! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jul 3 11:10:46 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:10:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200607031600.k63G06cd024752@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200607032014218.SM00524@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/07/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:40:07 -0700 >From: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is the list down? > >---- "Joseph L. Betz" wrote: > > I'm painting the house - So - I guess I'm pretty busy. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >Just finished painting my house Joe. Got an estimate, $4300 to paint the >trim on a brick house. My wife asked if I wanted to get another estimate, >I told her no, I'll paint it myself and save $4300. If we had a $ 2500 >estimate I could only save $2500. This gives me a lot more engine mbney. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA ROTFLMAO Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jul 3 11:08:57 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:08:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200607031600.k63G06cd024752@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200607032014359.SM00524@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/07/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:05:19 -0500 >From: "Rex Hinz" >Subject: [SEL] Standard Cream Separator, A'm I right ? > > Just got this yesterday from a friend , I think it's a Standard but > not 100% sure , It has no tags ,names or numbers on it , It starts up on > one pull and purrs like a kitten , however It does not have any way to > oil the rod and main bearings so I think it runs on a gas oik mix like a > two cycle so I mixed up a 32to1 gas mix , It does have a oiler on the > cyilnder but I don't think it oils the crank , you can see the Pics Here >http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551892719 > >Life is Goood ! >Rex Hinz Hi rex, Nice! Here is another one owned by a friend here in S.A. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 3 12:27:16 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:27:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). Message-ID: <560.12db958.31dac994@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/2006 10:46:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Sulphuric acid was chosen because it has a much lower vapor pressure that the other commonly available acid, hydrochloric / muriatic. (An important consideration if you want to breath anywhere near the tank being treated!) >><< When working will 99% sulphuric there are some rules you have to follow as this is some dangerous stuff! A full body suit, coveralls, Tyvec or something to cover all the skin, long rubber gloves, safety glasses or even better a full face shield. Most important is ALWAY add the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point of mixing >> Good advice Curt and cannot be stressed enough. If you have never had any experience around acid, seek advice and help from others as it is dangerous stuff and can lead to major medical problems including blindness or death! Great info on your cleaning of the tank and as you said, you were lucky to have a lab at work that you could experiment before using it at home! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 3 15:32:38 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:32:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> References: <44A92D55.6030307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <92dbaa9d54d21dd0b79ba1d0ac30dc7d@chartertn.net> > Hope this is useful information. Has anyone else tried this method? > What were your results? I've cleaned rusty cast iron stuff in a bucket of diluted muriatic acid with good results. You must do it outside! Even momentarily opening a bottle of muriatic acid in your shop will cause all your tools to turn brown. (As will using acid core soldering flux indoors, even once.) Don't ask me how I know. I also learned never to pour out the solution with iron salts on a concrete driveway. It'll leave a lovely permanent rust stain on the concrete. The acid etching the surface of the cast iron will leave free graphite in the bottom of the vessel. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 3 20:22:35 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:22:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). In-Reply-To: <560.12db958.31dac994@aol.com> References: <560.12db958.31dac994@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060703232123.03b73130@mail.alltel.net> > Most important is ALWAY add > the acid to the water, not the other way around. Simple dilution of the > acid is an exothermic reaction, instantly boiling the water at the point > of mixing >> > >Good advice Curt and cannot be stressed enough. What do you guys have against the cleansing of the gene pool? Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jul 4 02:40:18 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:40:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <013c01c69f4d$df959c20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi all. I got the flights all sorted today, with the able assistance of my favorite travel agent lady. I pay vast amounts of money to them tomorrow! So, Its all go for Portland, Baraboo and SCRAP shows, along with seeing some of the worlds best people. Just over a month and I will be on my way. Cant wait to see you all again. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 4 07:59:11 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:59:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fun with acid and old engines (cast iron fuel tank cleaning). Message-ID: <20060704.105937.1068.7.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Thanks for writing about the experience. I may never need to use it but it's good to know - especially the cautions. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Jul 4 09:55:58 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:55:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Foundation Progress Report Message-ID: <011201c69f8a$b9dab820$175d1941@pengy> On July 1 the Tod Engine Foundation officially took control of the property behind the museum. Over the past three days myself and two volunteers have been doing quite a bit of cleanup at the site and some interior demolition of offices. Here is an aerial photo of the property from about four years ago. http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qvnj6v88f49f&style=o&lvl=2&scene=2079852 The original museum property is to the bottom left. It is where the two semi trailers are parked. The new property has two buildings, a 50' x 150' former truck terminal and a three bay garage. The truck terminal has offices in the first 25' of the building with a 50' x 125' clear span area behind the offices. The offices area are to be used as a visitor center and Foundation offices with the clear span area reserved for exhibits including our collection of small stationary steam engines and steel industry artiacts etc. A portion will also be used as a machine and fabrication shop. The truck garage will be the new home for the Tod Engine Works foundry which will be moving from Sharon, PA by the end of the year. With the new property it is now possible to consolidate all of our collections at one site and to expedite development of the museum. With the new property we are especially in need of volunteers to assist in construction. We have been lucky to have a few volunteers come in from out of town to assist for a few days at a time however more is needed if the project is going to be successful. Have a happy Independence Day! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 4 17:55:00 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:55:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: <200607041600.k64G05tX012506@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi, Mike, Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". C an't A fford S omething E lse Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. The Minnie has a stuborn problem with leaking fuel around the throttle shaft. Seals are hard to find. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway >From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com From nick at holden1.net Tue Jul 4 12:57:22 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:57:22 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Book For curt Message-ID: <44AAC822.000003.00928@YOUR-447023AE6B> This is for Curt Andree as I don't have your e-mail Address Dave croft asked on UK rec engines for a book The Anson museum book that was given away free At Astle park rally I put it in the post air mail on Saturday So you will get it this week Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Jul 5 02:40:32 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:40:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Book For curt Message-ID: <070520060940.24748.44AB89100001CF02000060AC219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Nick, Thankyou very much for all the extra trouble and looking forward to receiving the collector book. best regards, Curt Andree > This is for Curt Andree as I don't have your e-mail > > Address > > > > Dave croft asked on UK rec engines for a book > > The Anson museum book that was given away free > > At Astle park rally > > > > I put it in the post air mail on Saturday > > So you will get it this week > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Jul 5 05:46:00 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:46:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > >C an't >A fford >S omething >E lse Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you out :-). >Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. Have fun playing with your projects! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed Jul 5 06:22:51 2006 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:22:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll second that. Bubba (my 40s vintage LA) has impressed more than one non-believer pulling stuff out that was stuck to the axles. > Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >out :-). > >>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >>Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. > > Have fun playing with your projects! > > See ya', > Mike > -- > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mullt at att.net Wed Jul 5 06:50:28 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:50:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors Message-ID: <070520061350.8251.44ABC3A40002CA080000203B21602806519B04049A03@att.net> As the owner of a Ford 8N, I always thought that Ford stood for F-ix O-r R-pair D-aily. Tom is St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mike Tucker > >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > > > >C an't > >A fford > >S omething > >E lse > > Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n > R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an > acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you > let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you > out :-). > > >Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 > >Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. > > Have fun playing with your projects! > > See ya', > Mike > -- > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Wed Jul 5 08:58:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:58:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c6a04b$e092b460$d9b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Or Ford could mean and it does, FIRST ON RACE DAY. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors I'll second that. Bubba (my 40s vintage LA) has impressed more than one non-believer pulling stuff out that was stuck to the axles. > Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >out :-). > >>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >>Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. > > Have fun playing with your projects! > > See ya', > Mike > -- > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 5 09:18:44 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:18:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors References: <000101c6a04b$e092b460$d9b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <000601c6a04e$b02d9b70$0b80a018@mycomputer> or..Ford Owners Race Daily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Case Tractors > Or Ford could mean and it does, FIRST ON RACE DAY. > > Lyle Myles > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:23 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > I'll second that. Bubba (my 40s vintage LA) has impressed more than > one non-believer pulling stuff out that was stuck to the axles. > > > >> Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >>R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >>acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >>let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >>out :-). >> >>>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 >>>Minnie-Mo R and a '36 Fordson. >> >> Have fun playing with your projects! >> >> See ya', >> Mike >> -- >> _____________________ >> Mike Tucker >> Midway, Kentucky, USA >> _____________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 09:34:23 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question Message-ID: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve . I got some questions. 1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job? 2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? 3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him? Thanks Ron Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-559228772-1152117263=:19294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Folks,
I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve .
I got some  questions.
1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job?
2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? 
3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him?
Thanks
Ron
 


Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 


Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 5 10:25:21 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:25:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> Ron, I am sure there are as many opinion on the subject of sleeving engines as there are brands of engines! It is my position, that as caretakers of these engines, it is our duty to preserve as much of the precious block material as possible. The practice of hogging out huge amounts of cylinder material to fit a sleeve has never set well with me. I much prefer the option of boring the cylinder only the amount needed to just clean it up and get it round and straight again. Then to make a new piston, since oversized OEM pistons won't likely be available. I've documented the piston pattern making process on my website to encourage folks to give pattern making a try. Believe you me I am NO wood worker! But still managed to make a go of the pattern and corebox that was sufficient for Rick to cast pistons for my engines. There is a real sense of accomplishment when you get to hold in your hand the casting that is the result of your pattern making efforts. Dave Otto just made a pattern for his Falk engine and maybe he'll pipe up and tell us about his experience on his first piston pattern. As caretakers, someone a couple of hundred years from now will be thanking you for your conservation of the precious block material or cursing you for hogging it all away for a sleeve that is impossible to remove and replace. Nomex fitted. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Pistons pattern links: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: >Hi Folks, > I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve . > I got some questions. > 1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job? > 2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? > 3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him? > Thanks > Ron > > > > >Ron Frost >Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > >" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. >--0-559228772-1152117263=:19294 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >
Hi Folks,
I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve .
I got some  questions.
1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job?
2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an oversized piston if a piston would be available? 
3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job for him?
Thanks
Ron
 


>

Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

>

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

>

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

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Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jul 5 10:40:33 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:40:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Case Tractors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200607051740.k65HeqEm070375@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:46 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > >C an't >A fford >S omething >E lse Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you out :-). See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ford also translates into Fix Or Repair Daily. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Jul 5 16:27:45 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Case Tractors In-Reply-To: <200607051740.k65HeqEm070375@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060705162636.01b30250@mail.pennswoods.net> No that is all wrong. It means For Old Retired Drivers. R Fink PA At 10:40 AM 7/5/2006 -0700, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:46 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > >Granddad told me that Case was an acronym - actually, "CASE". > > > >C an't > >A fford > >S omething > >E lse > >Yep, yep.... It's like if you drive a Chevy, Ford means F-ound O-n >R-oadside D-ead and if you drive a Ford, Chevys aren't even worth an >acronym. But if you ever need an old tractor to do something for you >let me know and I bet my Flambeau Red toy will be able to help you >out :-). > > >See ya', >Mike >-- >_____________________ >Mike Tucker >Midway, Kentucky, USA >~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Ford also translates into Fix Or Repair Daily. > >:-) > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Wed Jul 5 15:20:41 2006 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:20:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors References: Message-ID: <04ec01c6a081$400b3720$0100000a@userd6162315ba> Fix - Found Or - On Repair - Rubbish Daily - Dumps Or a very old one If you can't afford a Ford dodge a Dodge and buy a Buick Barry Gorman Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 16:33:12 2006 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:33:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors In-Reply-To: <04ec01c6a081$400b3720$0100000a@userd6162315ba> References: <04ec01c6a081$400b3720$0100000a@userd6162315ba> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0607051633k460cd1ecocc4bdc65cb9eac05@mail.gmail.com> I hate to get into this, but the "Fix or repair Daily" was first told to me by a high school teacher that added "You're working for Ford." Lies! I only fixed it on weekends, and bought parts from aftermarket companies. That Falcon was an economy car that kept me broke. Paul, Ranger driver ------=_Part_16490_13840739.1152142392634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I hate to get into this, but the "Fix or repair Daily" was first told to me by a high school teacher that added "You're working for Ford." 
Lies!
I only fixed it on weekends, and bought parts from aftermarket companies. That Falcon was an economy car that kept me broke.

Paul,
Ranger driver


From frazer.ben at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 18:27:55 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:27:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> I can understand what Curt is saying to an extent but when I can bore and sleeve our 6hp Famous for free but to get a piston cast will cost me, I go for the sleeve any day and you can't tell it's been done no matter how hard you look. Ben From jbcast at charter.net Wed Jul 5 18:43:20 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:43:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question Message-ID: <654948539.1152150201896.JavaMail.root@fepweb05> ---- Curt wrote: > Ron, > I am sure there are as many opinion on the subject of sleeving engines > as there are brands of engines! It is my position, that as caretakers of > these engines, it is our duty to preserve as much of the precious block > material as possible. The practice of hogging out huge amounts of > cylinder material to fit a sleeve has never set well with me. I much > prefer the option of boring the cylinder only the amount needed to just > clean it up and get it round and straight again. Then to make a new > piston, since oversized OEM pistons won't likely be available. I've > documented the piston pattern making process on my website to encourage > folks to give pattern making a try. Believe you me I am NO wood worker! > But still managed to make a go of the pattern and corebox that was > sufficient for Rick to cast pistons for my engines. There is a real > sense of accomplishment when you get to hold in your hand the casting > that is the result of your pattern making efforts. Dave Otto just made a > pattern for his Falk engine and maybe he'll pipe up and tell us about > his experience on his first piston pattern. > As caretakers, someone a couple of hundred years from now will be > thanking you for your conservation of the precious block material or > cursing you for hogging it all away for a sleeve that is impossible to > remove and replace. > Nomex fitted. > Curt Holland Curt, I've made pistons for our antique marine engines, but my reason was to get an aluminum piston. The stock piston weighs 4 1/2 lbs, the aluminum under 2lbs. Makes a big difference in a single cylinder engine running in a boat. I've also sleeved over 40 cylinders, 8 farm engines and the rest 2 cycle antique marine engines. I throw away precious iron filings from the cylinder, you throw away whole pistons. When I sleeve a cylinder with a removable head, I bore from the top and leave the original chamfer at the bottom. This leaves a stop for the sleeve, I machine a bevel on the bottom of the sleeve to match the bevel of the boring bar, when the sleeve is installed it's almost invisible. On the 2 cycles, I cut the ports before installing sleeve, you can see it here. http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/5/3051.html#POST5990 J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jul 5 19:21:52 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:21:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) Message-ID: <410-2200674622152265@earthlink.net> F-*****g O-ld R-ebuilt D-odge P-oor O-ld N-****r T-hinks I-'ts A C-adalac Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Barry Gorman > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/5/2006 5:20:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > Fix - Found > Or - On > Repair - Rubbish > Daily - Dumps > > Or a very old one > > If you can't afford a Ford dodge a Dodge and buy a Buick > > Barry Gorman > Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA > BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Tucker" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 5 20:35:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:35:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) In-Reply-To: <410-2200674622152265@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200674622152265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060705233332.03d25e90@mail.alltel.net> Yes, a bit PG 13--but no more so that the rest of the thread after the first two posts! Dave PS, Why are you afraid of spelling out the word "nigger?" At 10:21 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: >F-*****g >O-ld >R-ebuilt >D-odge > >P-oor >O-ld >N-****r >T-hinks >I-'ts >A >C-adalac > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Jul 5 20:49:47 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:49:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <002001c6a0af$3a71df20$70610b42@computer> Looking forward to seeing you as well Reg!!!!!! Have a safe trip. -----Original Message----- From: R & M Ingold To: oldengine list ; List SEL Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland >Hi all. I got the flights all sorted today, with the able assistance of my >favorite travel agent lady. I pay vast amounts of money to them tomorrow! >So, Its all go for Portland, Baraboo and SCRAP shows, along with seeing some >of the worlds best people. >Just over a month and I will be on my way. >Cant wait to see you all again. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jul 5 21:11:34 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:11:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) Message-ID: <410-220067464113493@earthlink.net> Just trying to be nice to those who like to let their 5 and 6 year olds read their email. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/5/2006 10:46:33 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Case Tractors (a bit PG-13) > > Yes, a bit PG 13--but no more so that the rest of the thread after the > first two posts! > Dave > PS, Why are you afraid of spelling out the word "nigger?" > > At 10:21 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: > >F-*****g > >O-ld > >R-ebuilt > >D-odge > > > >P-oor > >O-ld > >N-****r > >T-hinks > >I-'ts > >A > >C-adalac > > > >Tim Christoff > >Basehor Kansas > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Jul 5 22:17:36 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:17:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ford Emblem Message-ID: <571.d1ede4.31ddf6f0@aol.com> C'mon guys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled it"! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_571.d1ede4.31ddf6f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable C'mon g= uys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled i= t"!

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 23:20:27 2006 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:20:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200607051600.k65G052j032594@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >>Nevertheless, fun to fiddle with. I am working (again) on a '49 Minnie-Mo >>R and a '36 Fordson. >Have fun playing with your projects! >See ya', >Mike -- Oh, always - a year or two ago, I came very close to snagging a '48 VAC. Prairie Gold, Flambeau Red, and Persian Orange are all good colors. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 5 13:46:08 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:46:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Around here automotive machine shops are getting few and far between but if you have a good one, boring and sleeving an engine back to standard shouldn't be a problem. We had a tractor engine done this way many years ago. It's not an antique either but a workhorse. Several hundred hours later its still going strong. We did install new pistons. Just my $.02 John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > Hi Folks, > I just got a call from a guy here in western Pennsylvania that has a 1911 > Sattley 1-3/4 HP engine and he wants to bore and sleeve . > I got some questions. > 1. Where would a sleeve be available to do this job? > 2. Would it be more practical to rebore the cylinder and put in an > oversized piston if a piston would be available? > 3. Anyone know of a machine shop here in western PA that could do the job > for him? > Thanks > Ron > > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > From frazer.ben at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 03:00:13 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:00:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607060300g2b33ce3nea786089ee21cfd7@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, As I was saying earlier, you can sleeve a cylinder for free with nothing more than a decent lathe and a bit of knowledge (a small bit will do coz I managed)! I will now try to briefly explain how we did our 6hp throttle gooverned Famous. Firstly, we went to our local diesel engine re-builder and asked for some used wet sleeves at the correct diameter for a 6hp Famous, I think about 6" from memory. After we were given the sleeves (because they were in the scrap heap anyway), we went back to the shed where the lathe was. The lathe we used for the job had to be about 6' to 8' between centres. We began by removing the top of the tailstock. The base was left on the bed then a plate was made to fit on the tailstock base and a 3" bearing was fitted to the plate, paying carefull attention to getting it absolutely square to the bed. We then removed the tool post and replaced it with a flat machined plate with a locating dowell that fits in the same hole as the tool post, therefore it can be swivelled to allow for setting up. We then clamped our 8' length of 3" shaft in the chuck which we drilled and tapped about half way along in th side to allow for a tool. After this set up was finished we began seting up the barrel on the saddle of the lathe and after about an hour with shims and a dial indicator we were ready to bore! A couple of hours later we had bored the cylinder out to our pre determined size and we removed it from the machine. In about 10 minutes flat, we had the machine back as a lathe. I then made a dummy centre for the sleeves and set each one up in the four jaw chuck. I then simply turned them to about .004" interferance on the bore of the barrel and parted them off to size. (I had to use two sleeves to get the length of the barrel because trucks don't have that long a stroke)! After all the machining was completed, we heated up the barrel, dropped in the sleeves and honed them out to size. Now, you can't even see the join between the two sleeves and the engine runs like a clock. We now have the set up to turn the lathe into a boring machine and can use for lots of different engines. Hope this story can help others to do their own sleeving without the high cost of casting pistons or paying someone for sleeving. Ben From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 04:33:50 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:33:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Message-ID: Howdy all; Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the trains. Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well kept secret. A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." Photo's at: http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo Hope you enjoy RickinMt. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Jul 6 04:49:00 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:49:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c201c6a074$0c593060$b9d14c0c@D48VHZ61> <6f6bb9400607060300g2b33ce3nea786089ee21cfd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c6a0f2$2f08e640$22ca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > Hi all, > > As I was saying earlier, you can sleeve a cylinder for free with > nothing more than a decent lathe and a bit of knowledge (a small bit > will do coz I managed)! I will now try to briefly explain how we did > our 6hp throttle gooverned Famous. > > Firstly, we went to our local diesel engine re-builder and asked for > some used wet sleeves at the correct diameter for a 6hp Famous, I > think about 6" from memory. After we were given the sleeves (because > they were in the scrap heap anyway), we went back to the shed where > the lathe was. The lathe we used for the job had to be about 6' to 8' > between centres. > > We began by removing the top of the tailstock. The base was left on > the bed then a plate was made to fit on the tailstock base and a 3" > bearing was fitted to the plate, paying carefull attention to getting > it absolutely square to the bed. > > We then removed the tool post and replaced it with a flat machined > plate with a locating dowell that fits in the same hole as the tool > post, therefore it can be swivelled to allow for setting up. > > We then clamped our 8' length of 3" shaft in the chuck which we > drilled and tapped about half way along in th side to allow for a > tool. > > After this set up was finished we began seting up the barrel on the > saddle of the lathe and after about an hour with shims and a dial > indicator we were ready to bore! > > A couple of hours later we had bored the cylinder out to our pre > determined size and we removed it from the machine. > > In about 10 minutes flat, we had the machine back as a lathe. I then > made a dummy centre for the sleeves and set each one up in the four > jaw chuck. I then simply turned them to about .004" interferance on > the bore of the barrel and parted them off to size. (I had to use two > sleeves to get the length of the barrel because trucks don't have that > long a stroke)! > > After all the machining was completed, we heated up the barrel, > dropped in the sleeves and honed them out to size. Now, you can't even > see the join between the two sleeves and the engine runs like a clock. > We now have the set up to turn the lathe into a boring machine and can > use for lots of different engines. > > Hope this story can help others to do their own sleeving without the > high cost of casting pistons or paying someone for sleeving. > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jul 6 05:04:03 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:04:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: Message-ID: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> What a wonderful piece of engineering. Thanks for sharing it with us all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Howdy all; > Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the > return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" > constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for > rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the > few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the > trains. > > Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a kero > Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well > kept secret. > > A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > > Photo's at: > > > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > > Hope you enjoy > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 6 05:23:00 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2450.165.206.180.19.1152188580.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Agree and here's why: A sleeve does not mean a lot of block material removal - a good sleeve is not that thick. A sleeve can be removed later and replaced again, should that unusual circumstance ever happen I collect another form of rare engine - AMC engines. Trust me, with the very high demand and the low availability of a 1970 390 block, they are treated like gold, if you have a good one to get rid of, you can trade it for most anything else. A few folks race with them, and the discussion of to sleeve or not to sleeve comes up a LOT on the forums. I mean a LOT. The consensus is that you are not hurting the block - the sleeve does no damage. The sleeve might actually be saving a block as the wear and abuse is on the sleeve. Sleeved blocks see fewer problems. In my case, my 390 had already been bored to .030 over. The forum members and machine shop all agreed - SLEEVE IT. The sleeve job was only 80 bucks a hole and is so good it's hard to tell there are sleeves in it. I can in the future have it done again should I get crazy with it - but having the rare one-year-only 1970 390 block, probably won't happen! In fact I put later heads on it to reduce compression and installed step-dish hyper pistons to avoid this sort of damage. Bottom line - the amount of material removed by a good shop when installing good sleeves is minimal. You can then use original pistons, retaining originality and the ability to find standard parts - meaning instead of finding some rare or unusual size piston, etc. - you simply drop in a standard original piston. The engine is not modified. A sleeve can be replaced if need be - but if you resleeve and wear it that darned much - wow - but it can be resleeved later. Most blocks, including AMC v8 blocks, have a LOT of meat to them. You can remove a lot of material without damage, but boring the block to oversize and installing larger pistons, well, there you are wearing on the block again, so in the future someone is gonna have to sleeve it anyway. It's hard to say here, but seems most car and tractor fellows readily opt for sleeves and the many advantages, none of them suggesting that they are doing any damage and if anyone is gonna fuss over messing up a good block, trust me, these AMC folks will be the first to scream bloody murder. 3 to 5K for a rebuild is nothing. In years of auto rebuilding, I've not seen any problems with sleeves, even with subsequent rebuilds. Bill > I can understand what Curt is saying to an extent but when I can bore > and sleeve our 6hp Famous for free but to get a piston cast will cost > me, I go for the sleeve any day and you can't tell it's been done no > matter how hard you look. > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 6 05:42:32 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:42:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: Message-ID: <003501c6a0f9$a7f17d40$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Howdy all; > Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the return > trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" constructed 1916 > by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for rail and auto > traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the few vertical > lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the trains. > Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a kero > Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well kept secret. > A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > Photo's at: > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > Hope you enjoy RickinMt. Hi Richard, lovely pictures. A few questions for you! Is the lift ever used these days? Does the engine house have a roof over it? Your picture 5 shows what seems to be the machinery uncovered but a different picture shows a wooden housing. I also have an interest in mechanical bridges. I have taken pictures of our now disused transporter bridge at http://community.webshots.com/album/95425737UyEYME This moved rail cars across the river but horizontally. Also http://community.webshots.com/album/73689760ksBHbv This is where a canal section is swung to allow large sea going vessels to pass on the Manchester Ship Canal below. PS It seems that your lovely bridge has a twin sister! See http://www.lewisandclarkeasternmt.com/fairview.html Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 6 05:47:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:47:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge In-Reply-To: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> Reg, As I was looking thru Rick's great photos, I was thinking what a great modeling making opportunity. Not just in the engine, but a working scaled model of the entire bridge system with functioning engine, gearbox., and vertical span. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC R & M Ingold wrote: > What a wonderful piece of engineering. > Thanks for sharing it with us all. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > >> Howdy all; >> Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the >> return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" >> constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri >> for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is >> one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, >> but only by the trains. >> >> Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a >> kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite >> well kept secret. >> >> A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." >> >> Photo's at: >> >> >> http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo >> >> >> Hope you enjoy >> >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:05:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:05:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <003501c6a0f9$a7f17d40$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: > > Hi Richard, lovely pictures. A few questions for you! > Is the lift ever used these days? > Does the engine house have a roof over it? > Your picture 5 shows what seems to be the machinery uncovered > but a different picture shows a wooden housing. > I also have an interest in mechanical bridges. > I have taken pictures of our now disused transporter bridge at > http://community.webshots.com/album/95425737UyEYME > This moved rail cars across the river but horizontally. > Also http://community.webshots.com/album/73689760ksBHbv > This is where a canal section is swung to allow large sea going vessels > to pass on the Manchester Ship Canal below. > PS It seems that your lovely bridge has a twin sister! See > http://www.lewisandclarkeasternmt.com/fairview.html Yes Dave, I've seen and was very impressed with the swing bridges over there!!! Yes, the Snowden Bridge does have a twin sister in North Dakota...downstream. We did not go there. The last photos which show the engine/gearing/winch shed, I believe I got some months back when I first learned of the Snowden Bridge. Possibly Library of Congress website or Montana Historical Society. I don't remember. Understandably the engine and such would have been enclosed in a wooden structure but it is all gone now, exposing the ole iron to the elements. Catwalks with iron rails are still there but the wooden walkways are pretty much gone. We were impressed that this is one of the few where rail and auto traffic were both utilized and up until 1986 was used as such and only closed off to auto traffic due to liability. I'm still getting a kick out of that. I do believe Amtrak Rail uses this bridge and traffic control could have created a problem. . Thanks for the links..I'm still looking for more info. Regards, RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:18:33 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:18:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: Message-ID: This link shows the old vehicle approaches to the bridge. Today the bridge can only be accessed for viewing from the south. Please copy/paste if link wraps. http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=13&X=2837&Y=26583&W=3&qs=%7cFairview%7cMontana%7c Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Howdy all; > Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the > return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" > constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri for > rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is one of the > few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, but only by the > trains. > > Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a > kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite well > kept secret. > > A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > > Photo's at: > > > http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > > Hope you enjoy > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:20:27 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:20:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Ditto.. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > Reg, > As I was looking thru Rick's great photos, I was thinking what a great > modeling making opportunity. Not just in the engine, but a working > scaled model of the entire bridge system with functioning engine, > gearbox., and vertical span. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > What a wonderful piece of engineering. > > Thanks for sharing it with us all. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > > > > To: "sel" > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM > > Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > > > > >> Howdy all; > >> Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the > >> return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" > >> constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri > >> for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is > >> one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, > >> but only by the trains. > >> > >> Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a > >> kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. > >> > >> Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite > >> well kept secret. > >> > >> A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." > >> > >> Photo's at: > >> > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo > >> > >> > >> Hope you enjoy > >> > >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 06:29:39 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:29:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <003501c6a0f9$a7f17d40$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: Here's where I got the Engine Mechanisn House pictures and some other great old photos. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=pphhphoto&action=browse&fileName=mt/mt0000/mt0090/photos/browse.db&recNum=0&itemLink=S?pp/hh:@field(TITLE+ at od1(Snowden+Bridge,+Spanning+Missouri+River,+Nohly+vicinity,+Richland+County,+MT))&linkText=-1&title2=Snowden%20Bridge,%20Spanning%20Missouri%20River,%20Nohly%20vicinity,%20Richland%20County,%20MT&displayType=1&maxCols=4 Whew..that one's gotta wrap. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > > > > > > Hi Richard, lovely pictures. A few questions for you! > > Is the lift ever used these days? > > Does the engine house have a roof over it? > > Your picture 5 shows what seems to be the machinery uncovered > > but a different picture shows a wooden housing. > > I also have an interest in mechanical bridges. > > I have taken pictures of our now disused transporter bridge at > > http://community.webshots.com/album/95425737UyEYME > > This moved rail cars across the river but horizontally. > > Also http://community.webshots.com/album/73689760ksBHbv > > This is where a canal section is swung to allow large sea going vessels > > to pass on the Manchester Ship Canal below. > > PS It seems that your lovely bridge has a twin sister! See > > http://www.lewisandclarkeasternmt.com/fairview.html > > > Yes Dave, I've seen and was very impressed with the swing bridges over > there!!! > > Yes, the Snowden Bridge does have a twin sister in North > Dakota...downstream. We did not go there. > > The last photos which show the engine/gearing/winch shed, I believe I > got some months back when I first learned of the Snowden Bridge. Possibly > Library of Congress website or Montana Historical Society. I don't > remember. Understandably the engine and such would have been enclosed in > a wooden structure but it is all gone now, exposing the ole iron to the > elements. Catwalks with iron rails are still there but the wooden > walkways are pretty much gone. > > We were impressed that this is one of the few where rail and auto > traffic were both utilized and up until 1986 was used as such and only > closed off to auto traffic due to liability. I'm still getting a kick out > of that. I do believe Amtrak Rail uses this bridge and traffic control > could have created a problem. . > > Thanks for the links..I'm still looking for more info. > > > Regards, > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Jul 6 06:37:35 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:37:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002c01c6a101$57913090$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, Why not make a pattern and cast the thing in one shot. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Reg, As I was looking thru Rick's great photos, I was thinking what a great modeling making opportunity. Not just in the engine, but a working scaled model of the entire bridge system with functioning engine, gearbox., and vertical span. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC R & M Ingold wrote: > What a wonderful piece of engineering. > Thanks for sharing it with us all. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge > > >> Howdy all; >> Just got back from a fine family re-union in N.E. Montana. On the >> return trip we had to stop and gaze at the mighty "Snowden Bridge" >> constructed 1916 by the Great Northern Railway to span the Missouri >> for rail and auto traffic, plus lift for the river boats. This is >> one of the few vertical lift span Bridges left and is in use today, >> but only by the trains. >> >> Counterweights are 350 ton each and I believe the engine might be a >> kero Buda..please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> Located near Fairview, Mt. in the eastern portion, it is a definite >> well kept secret. >> >> A fine example of "Whad They Use'm For." >> >> Photo's at: >> >> >> http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=551997585&security=VLVAlo >> >> >> Hope you enjoy >> >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 6 06:53:08 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <2450.165.206.180.19.1152188580.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <20060705163424.19970.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <6f6bb9400607051827p421c769asf388d5677ecf8721@mail.gmail.com> <2450.165.206.180.19.1152188580.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> Bill, Like I said yesterday there are a lot of opinions on boring vs. sleeving. Your 390 engine was already .030 over meaning someone made the decision to bore the engine once or twice before the decision was made to sleeve it. And that's my point with our old engines. Bore them only as needed to clean them up and fit an oversized piston. Then _years_ down the road if it has been bored so many times that it is getting really large, at that point fit a sleeve. But up until that point preserve as much of the original cylinder wall thickness as possible by doing a minimum bore and fit an oversized piston. The economics are nearly identical for sleeving vs. new oversized piston if you make your own pattern. The piston castings are relatively inexpensive. If you own or have access to machineshop equipment, the piston machining process is 3 or 4 hours tops. I have yet to measure a used piston out of a cylinder that needed boring that isn't worn itself. You'll spend additional time truing that old part up and will need to make the sleeved bore undersized a little to account for work to the old piston. We all tend to be intimidated with doing something out of the ordinary. For me, participating in and replicating the steps the engine entrepreneurs*** *had to go thru IS a big part of what this hobby is all about. Before I'm done with the hobby I hope to have experienced pattern making, building a cupola, casting parts off my patterns, machining parts, and assembly of those parts. So far I've experienced all these steps with the exception of building a cupola. Soon, very soon..... Its great fun to challenge oneself and to continually learn. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Agree and here's why: >A sleeve does not mean a lot of block material removal - a good sleeve is >not that thick. >A sleeve can be removed later and replaced again, should that unusual >circumstance ever happen >I collect another form of rare engine - AMC engines. Trust me, with the >very high demand and the low availability of a 1970 390 block, they are >treated like gold, if you have a good one to get rid of, you can trade it >for most anything else. A few folks race with them, and the discussion of >to sleeve or not to sleeve comes up a LOT on the forums. I mean a LOT. The >consensus is that you are not hurting the block - the sleeve does no >damage. The sleeve might actually be saving a block as the wear and abuse >is on the sleeve. Sleeved blocks see fewer problems. >In my case, my 390 had already been bored to .030 over. The forum members >and machine shop all agreed - SLEEVE IT. The sleeve job was only 80 bucks >a hole and is so good it's hard to tell there are sleeves in it. I can in >the future have it done again should I get crazy with it - but having the >rare one-year-only 1970 390 block, probably won't happen! In fact I put >later heads on it to reduce compression and installed step-dish hyper >pistons to avoid this sort of damage. > >Bottom line - the amount of material removed by a good shop when >installing good sleeves is minimal. >You can then use original pistons, retaining originality and the ability >to find standard parts - meaning instead of finding some rare or unusual >size piston, etc. - you simply drop in a standard original piston. The >engine is not modified. >A sleeve can be replaced if need be - but if you resleeve and wear it that >darned much - wow - but it can be resleeved later. >Most blocks, including AMC v8 blocks, have a LOT of meat to them. You can >remove a lot of material without damage, but boring the block to oversize >and installing larger pistons, well, there you are wearing on the block >again, so in the future someone is gonna have to sleeve it anyway. > >It's hard to say here, but seems most car and tractor fellows readily opt >for sleeves and the many advantages, none of them suggesting that they are >doing any damage and if anyone is gonna fuss over messing up a good block, >trust me, these AMC folks will be the first to scream bloody murder. 3 to >5K for a rebuild is nothing. > >In years of auto rebuilding, I've not seen any problems with sleeves, even >with subsequent rebuilds. > >Bill > > > >>I can understand what Curt is saying to an extent but when I can bore >>and sleeve our 6hp Famous for free but to get a piston cast will cost >>me, I go for the sleeve any day and you can't tell it's been done no >>matter how hard you look. >> >>Ben >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Jul 6 06:56:49 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:56:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge In-Reply-To: <002c01c6a101$57913090$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <007e01c6a0f4$4d8c69f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <44AD0675.8030103@imc-group.com> <002c01c6a101$57913090$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <44AD16A1.7070507@imc-group.com> Sort of like those cast aircraft fuselages right :-) Curt Jim and Diane wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Why not make a pattern and cast the thing in one shot. > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Jul 6 07:50:53 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:50:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Message-ID: <20060706.105100.260.2.jlb94@juno.com> Great pics Rick, I'm amazed that you were able to get that close to the engine & workings. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jul 6 09:48:17 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:48:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lister CS Book by David Edgington Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060706184509.028b8450@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, For those who do not know - David Edgington has released his latest book - "The Lister CS Story" You can order from his website Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From sel at antique-engine.com Thu Jul 6 19:22:12 2006 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:22:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200676192212.991586@computerone> Hi Curt, All I can say to this statement below in your reply to Bill is that you are my hero if you can machine a raw piston casting in 3 to 4 hours. Take care... Craig On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0400, Curt wrote: >?Bill, >?Like I said yesterday there are a lot of opinions on boring vs. >?sleeving... (snip, snip...) > >... If you own or have >?access to machineshop equipment, the piston machining process is 3 >?or 4 hours tops...(snip, snip...) > >Curt Holland Gastonia, NC > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Jul 6 18:04:14 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Thu Jul 6 17:39:33 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:39:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a15d$d1ded530$be70fd04@cats4d7ae9feb8> May our prayers be for him and his family during this difficult time? Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:04 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 6 17:50:02 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <44ADAFBA.1020703@scrtc.com> Charlie, I saw Ralph at Coolspring and didn't think he looked well. Sad to hear of his illness and we'll remember him and his family in our prayers. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one >of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. > >Charlie Bryant >Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). > >Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dotto at velocitus.net Thu Jul 6 18:20:05 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:20:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> I sent this out this morning but for some reason it didn't show up. Hi all, The main reason I decided to make a new piston was because the crown had a circular crack due to a run in with a BFH at some point. My original plan was to have the piston sprayed and a new set of rings made to fit the newly honed bore. Not wanting to put a bunch of work and money into a broken piston, I decided to go with a new piston. With Curt's gracious help in designing the pattern and core box for me I started the pattern making process which most of you have seen pictures of on my Webshots page. Rick Rowlands made the molds and poured the castings for the piston and two different rocker arms. The castings were received last week and I'm very pleased with how they turned out. It was a lot of fun to open that box and see the results of a lot of hard work. I learned some new skills and in the future if I need a cast part it won't be as much of a mystery how to do the pattern work and end up with nice finished product. I will try to get a few pictures of the castings posted in the next day or so. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:25 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > > Dave Otto just made a > pattern for his Falk engine and maybe he'll pipe up and tell us about > his experience on his first piston pattern. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 6 18:42:47 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:42:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <200676192212.991586@computerone> References: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> <200676192212.991586@computerone> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> The machinist that I talked to earlier tonight (who does this sort of thing on a regular basis) tells me that 15-18 hours would be the norm for taking a piston from "raw" casting to finished product. Dave PS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" At 10:22 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: >Hi Curt, > >All I can say to this statement below in your reply to Bill is that you >are my hero if you can machine a raw piston casting in 3 to 4 hours. Take >care... > >Craig > > > >On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0400, Curt wrote: > > Bill, > > Like I said yesterday there are a lot of opinions on boring vs. > > sleeving... (snip, snip...) > > > >... If you own or have > > access to machineshop equipment, the piston machining process is 3 > > or 4 hours tops...(snip, snip...) > > > >Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mgomaize at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 18:47:23 2006 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] United Type A followed me home! Message-ID: <20060707014723.12322.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I was lucky enough to be followed home today by a lost engine:). I picked up a 2HP United Type A from a friend in my engine club. You can see pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf/myengines.htm I would love to learn more about this engine. Please let me know of any sites with information, or please feel free to e-mail me pictures, manuals, advertisements or the like. Thanks, Tony ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf ------------------------------------------ Hudson Mills Old Power Club 15th Annual Show June 2-4, 2006 Dexter, MI http://www.hudsonmills.org --0-141201062-1152236843=:11567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello,
 
I was lucky enough to be followed home today by a lost engine:).  I picked up a 2HP United Type A from a friend in my engine club.  You can see pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf/myengines.htm
 
I would love to learn more about this engine.  Please let me know of any sites with information, or please feel free to e-mail me pictures, manuals, advertisements or the like.
 
Thanks,
 
Tony
 
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Hudson Mills Old Power Club
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From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 6 19:03:45 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:03:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706214302.01ad1fe8@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will be held once again during the August Portland Show. The date for the dinner this year is (Thurs.) August 24th at 6:00 PM. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north end of town. The auction will follow the dinner. Start looking around for items to donate to the auction! Ellen said that she was eager to have us back again this year and when I told her that Reg would be joining us she said that she and the other girls remembered him and that "strange Australian greeting" that he always used. (I think she was referring to the slap on the a$$ that Reg always gives each of them.) She also asked if that "nice tractor guy with the Big Minnie" would be at the dinner again this year. Does anyone know who she is talking about? (And what on earth is a "Big Minnie?" Perhaps I shouldn't ask!) I told Ellen that I would contact her to provide a "head count" as time neared for the dinner. If you plan to join us please let me know so that I can provide a fairly good estimate to Ellen. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net Thanks, and I sure hope to see everyone at the dinner and auction! Dave PS, Will someone please forward this post to the Tractor List? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jul 6 19:19:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:19:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <20060707014723.12322.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060707014723.12322.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ADC4A8.1080603@scrtc.com> Tony, Great looking engine. Looks like you only need a mag to make that baby whole. There is one for sale on ebay right now (they go for pretty good $$$). Its item number 120004362369 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hello, > >I was lucky enough to be followed home today by a lost engine:). I picked up a 2HP United Type A from a friend in my engine club. You can see pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf/myengines.htm > >I would love to learn more about this engine. Please let me know of any sites with information, or please feel free to e-mail me pictures, manuals, advertisements or the like. > >Thanks, > >Tony > >------------------------------------------ >Tony Pitts >Ann Arbor, MI >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 19:28:12 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706214302.01ad1fe8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Forwarded to all three...that I know of, Dave, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction > Hi All, > The annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will be held once again during > the August Portland Show. The date for the dinner this year is (Thurs.) > August 24th at 6:00 PM. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north > end > of town. The auction will follow the dinner. Start looking around for > items > to donate to the auction! > Ellen said that she was eager to have us back again this year and when I > told her that Reg would be joining us she said that she and the other > girls > remembered him and that "strange Australian greeting" that he always used. > (I think she was referring to the slap on the a$$ that Reg always gives > each of them.) She also asked if that "nice tractor guy with the Big > Minnie" would be at the dinner again this year. Does anyone know who she > is > talking about? (And what on earth is a "Big Minnie?" Perhaps I shouldn't > ask!) > I told Ellen that I would contact her to provide a "head count" as time > neared for the dinner. If you plan to join us please let me know so that I > can provide a fairly good estimate to Ellen. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net > Thanks, and I sure hope to see everyone at the dinner and auction! > Dave > PS, Will someone please forward this post to the Tractor List? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 6 19:35:41 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:35:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge References: <20060706.105100.260.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: > Great pics Rick, > > I'm amazed that you were able to get that close to the engine & workings. Hi Joe; I was lucky enough to find the engine and mechanism pictures on the Library of Congress website. Now 40 years ago, it may have been a different story..:-) She is a beauty!!! Rick From frazer.ben at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 19:54:19 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:54:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines. Ben ------=_Part_73026_8791983.1152240859880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum'  time  needed  to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines.

Ben


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:17:43 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok I got another thought. If the piston isn't broken but just worn and undersized because of the honing back to a round bore, what do you think of metal spraying and turning to fit the new bore dia? Ron Ben Frazer wrote: I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines. Ben ------=_Part_73026_8791983.1152240859880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines. Ben _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-2037119927-1152267463=:43507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Ok I got another thought. If the piston isn't broken but just worn and undersized because of the honing back to a round bore, what do you think of metal spraying and turning to fit the new bore dia?
Ron

Ben Frazer <frazer.ben at gmail.com> wrote:
I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner
I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw
piston casting, with the right machines.

Ben

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I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum'  time  needed  to machine a raw piston casting, with the right machines.

Ben



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Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 7 03:53:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:53:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> <200676192212.991586@computerone> <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <44AE3D34.3050900@imc-group.com> Dave, Craig, As you know I've machined quite a few of the 1 1/2HP Herc pistons and it's 2 hours on the lathe and a couple of more on the Bridgeport doing the wrist pin. The worst part of the job is tramming the Bridgeport! When I did the 1 1/2HP piston, Tommy Berry suggested I put a chucking button on the crown to facilitate machining. That has worked out exceedingly well as it eliminates one of the chucking steps. This lets you turn the entire piston in 1 setup, leaving only the facing of the crown. The only drawback is when cutting the ring grooves, as it tends to chatter a little so you have to go slow here. A big rubber cork in the open end might help absorb the chatter. Now admittedly the piston size has a huge impact on the machining time. The last one I did was the 50# piston casting for the Alamo. I spent the better part of a Saturday and the following Monday evening just on lathe work. I didn't keep track of the hours but I'd guess 10 hours lathe time. I couldn't do the wrist pin bore work on a standard Bridgeport (needed 6" of quill travel and lots of vertical room for the part and the tooling) so I had to ask a favor of a large machineshop in town and they let me use one of their LARGE "Bridgeport" style machines for this step. That was a brand new machine to me and between the setup, finding the tooling and doing the job I spent the better part of a day there. It should have been about 4 hours of work. That would be much closer to the time your buddy estimated. You tend to be a LOT more careful with a single 50# casting that when you have a dozen little pistons castings available. It's not too traumatic if you kill a little part! I did document the machining steps for the small piston. I thought I had put the machining times on here but I guess not. At one point I definitely tracked my time on these as there was a local retiree who was going to machine these. I think he estimated $80 each for the machining. That never panned out due to his health though. Here is the link on the machining steps for the small piston. After Portland I'll be machining the first of the 3HP Herc pistons made from the patterns developed over the winter. I'll be sure to document the time. Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: > The machinist that I talked to earlier tonight (who does this sort of > thing on a regular basis) tells me that 15-18 hours would be the norm > for taking a piston from "raw" casting to finished product. > Dave > PS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" > From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Jul 6 20:47:43 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ford Emblem Message-ID: <20060707034743.BDCD599E1D@mprdmxin.myway.com> At least if you Fix Or Repair it Daley your ok, better than a [chevy] so there.........-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 07/06, < WinkAndGinger at aol.com > wrote: From: [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:17:36 EDTSubject: [SEL] Ford EmblemC'mon guys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled it"!Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=--part1_571.d1ede4.31ddf6f0_boundaryContent-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableC'mon g=uys, Ford has had some problems....but they found the problem and "circled i=t"!Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&amp;a=3D30951078&=amp;pw=3D_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jul 7 05:06:28 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <44AD15C4.6030001@imc-group.com> <200676192212.991586@computerone> <6.1.2.0.0.20060706213913.03dd78f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3684.165.206.180.19.1152273988.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Dave - Yes. Bill > PS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Jul 7 05:18:25 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:18:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <410-22006757121825609@coastalnet.com> These engine pictures were sent to me the other day and I just got around to putting them up. Any help will be appreciated. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/tony/ Thanks and take care. Ken Christison christison at coastalnet.com visit my gallery at: www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 7 05:54:20 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:54:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <410-22006757121825609@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <003601c6a1c4$781175f0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "stationary-engine" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > These engine pictures were sent to me the other day and I just > got around to putting them up. Any help will be appreciated. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/tony/ > Thanks and take care. > Ken Christison Hi Ken, I saw the engine for sale at the Astle Park rally. It was much discussed but nobody knew the manufacturer. I thought it looked a little like a Glasgow but others said it wasn't. The picture of the engine on sale is below. http://community.webshots.com/photo/551708179/2654545010028520097bGYhWp# Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From segray at mlode.com Fri Jul 7 08:34:57 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> Hi Ron - Been there, done that, happy with the results. My Jaeger had inhaled much of the dust created during it's cement mixer days, and both the bore and piston were very badly worn (there was more carbon than ring material in the grooves!) I had to take a cleaning cut on the bore in the mill before proceeding with the honing job. That left the piston better than .050" undersize at the closest fitting points. The piston was also very oval shaped. I had the piston metal sprayed and turned to a few thousandths of the bore and had a new engine when I was done. After seeing the results, I put a spray torch on my list of tools to add to the shop! I currently have a crankshaft that needs the same treatment, but no one does that kind of work in this area. :-( CYA - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: >Ok I got another thought. If the piston isn't broken but just worn and undersized because of the honing back to a round bore, what do you think of metal spraying and turning to fit the new bore dia? > Ron > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 7 08:54:31 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:54:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> Message-ID: <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> Steve, On your crankshaft repair you might try the services of Standard Crankshaft here in Charlotte. The do submerge arc welding of the journals and regrind back to original diameters. Call the Belwood/Lawndale number and ask for Joe Elmore. He's a good guy and helps me out with the old engine crankshafts. You must have a good sized mill if you can handle a Jaeger cylinder! Tell us about that...... Curt Holland Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Ron - > > Been there, done that, happy with the results. My Jaeger had inhaled > much of the dust created during it's cement mixer days, and both the > bore and piston were very badly worn (there was more carbon than ring > material in the grooves!) I had to take a cleaning cut on the bore in > the mill before proceeding with the honing job. That left the piston > better than .050" undersize at the closest fitting points. The piston > was also very oval shaped. I had the piston metal sprayed and turned > to a few thousandths of the bore and had a new engine when I was > done. After seeing the results, I put a spray torch on my list of > tools to add to the shop! I currently have a crankshaft that needs the > same treatment, but no one does that kind of work in this area. :-( > > CYA > > - Steve > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Jul 7 08:55:58 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:55:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44AE840E.3050005@imc-group.com> Duh, I forgot the link! Curt wrote: > Steve, > On your crankshaft repair you might try the services of Standard > Crankshaft here in Charlotte. The do submerge arc welding of the > journals and regrind back to original diameters. Call the > Belwood/Lawndale number and ask for Joe Elmore. He's a good guy and > helps me out with the old engine crankshafts. > You must have a good sized mill if you can handle a Jaeger cylinder! > Tell us about that...... > Curt Holland > > > Steve Gray wrote: > >> Hi Ron - >> >> Been there, done that, happy with the results. My Jaeger had inhaled >> much of the dust created during it's cement mixer days, and both the >> bore and piston were very badly worn (there was more carbon than ring >> material in the grooves!) I had to take a cleaning cut on the bore in >> the mill before proceeding with the honing job. That left the piston >> better than .050" undersize at the closest fitting points. The piston >> was also very oval shaped. I had the piston metal sprayed and turned >> to a few thousandths of the bore and had a new engine when I was >> done. After seeing the results, I put a spray torch on my list of >> tools to add to the shop! I currently have a crankshaft that needs >> the same treatment, but no one does that kind of work in this area. :-( >> >> CYA >> >> - Steve >> > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 7 10:34:50 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:34:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Some lovely Engine Models Message-ID: <005f01c6a1eb$a7a6c9b0$3ac10b52@no1> On the English engine list two people quoted two very good USA model engineering sites. See http://www.pbase.com/captain_carl/gears_2004 & http://www.pacificsun.ca/~robert/NAMES2003/NAMES2003.htm I found these pictures fascinating & worth passing on. Regards, Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jul 7 12:13:30 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:13:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Some lovely Engine Models Message-ID: <3af.518d59b.31e00c5a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2006 1:38:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: << I found these pictures fascinating & worth passing on. >> Dave, As I have said before there are some very talented and amazing people in the world! Thanks for the pictures! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From segray at mlode.com Fri Jul 7 13:17:06 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:17:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <44AE840E.3050005@imc-group.com> References: <20060707101743.45118.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AE7F21.9040501@mlode.com> <44AE83B7.1090006@imc-group.com> <44AE840E.3050005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44AEC142.6000009@mlode.com> Curt & All - Thanks for the lead on the crank grinding service. I've also heard of an outfit down in So Cal that also does specialty work, but weighing in at 42 lbs., the shipping alone won't be cheap. This is for my Lister 3/1 which has been apart now since this past November. At present, I'm being told that work is afoot in getting a complete new crank shipped from India. My source, George Breckenridge of Utterpower.com, is very choosy about the quality of parts he deals with, so he may have a decent supplier set up. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, I'm going out now to pour the first gas into a freshly restored 6HP Fairbanks. As for the Jaeger boring episode, I have a standard size Bridgeport, but use their 90 degree drive up between the mains to do the job. It's the same type of setup as shown in the second picture on this page of the Waterloo restoration: http://www.oldengineshed.com/waterloo2.html. TTYL - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Curt wrote: > Duh, I forgot the link! > > > Curt wrote: > >> Steve, >> On your crankshaft repair you might try the services of Standard >> Crankshaft here in Charlotte. The do submerge arc welding of the >> journals and regrind back to original diameters. Call the >> Belwood/Lawndale number and ask for Joe Elmore. He's a good guy and >> helps me out with the old engine crankshafts. >> You must have a good sized mill if you can handle a Jaeger cylinder! >> Tell us about that...... >> Curt Holland >> >> From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Jul 7 14:30:46 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:30:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters References: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <44ADAFBA.1020703@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001401c6a20c$9c4df5e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Tommy, I visited Ralph today and told him you had asked for him. He is resting comfortably, no pain. No chemo or any treatment. Correction to previous message. He is in CCU, not ICU. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine Cell Phone: 207-462-1708 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ralph Waters > Charlie, > I saw Ralph at Coolspring and didn't think he looked well. Sad to > hear of his illness and we'll remember him and his family in our prayers. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >It is with great sadness I must inform you that another one > >of our great engine collectors, Ralph Waters ( who many of you know) is seriously ill with a fast spreading lung cancer. He is presently in ICU at the Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston Maine. His family is with him. > > > >Charlie Bryant > >Jay, Maine (15 miles from Ralph's home). > > > >Cell Phone : 207-462-1708 > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/06 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 7 15:08:50 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:08:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <001401c6a20c$9c4df5e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <002701c6a161$44eb2a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <44ADAFBA.1020703@scrtc.com> <001401c6a20c$9c4df5e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <44AEDB72.60300@scrtc.com> Having no pain is certainly a blessing. Thanks for the update and we'll be saying some prayers for him. TT >Tommy, > >I visited Ralph today and told him you had asked for him. He is resting >comfortably, no pain. No chemo or any treatment. Correction to >previous message. He is in CCU, not ICU. > >Charlie Bryant >Jay, Maine > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 7 18:17:12 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:17:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com> <009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060707210832.03f12e98@mail.alltel.net> At 10:54 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote: >I do agree with Curt about the piston machining time, as a fitter and turner >I would say that 4 hours would be 'maximum' time needed to machine a raw >piston casting, with the right machines. >Ben Hi Ben, My machinist friend would like your phone number and mailing address. He will send you the "raw" casting and pay you for your 4 hours of work (plus S&H both ways.) He contends that he will be able to net at least $250.00 on each piston that you produce. Dave PS, Please respond on List. I'm sure that there are others who want/need your expert service! PPS, Is it "sleave" or "sleeve?" From mgomaize at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:32:30 2006 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 10. Re: United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <200607071600.k67G03Ck032007@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369). Can't be in the market for one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though. Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do. Thanks again, Tony ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf ------------------------------------------ Hudson Mills Old Power Club 15th Annual Show June 2-4, 2006 Dexter, MI http://www.hudsonmills.org --0-1498617580-1152322350=:58553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369).  Can't be in the market for one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. 
 
It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though.  Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do.
 
Thanks again,
 
Tony  
 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jul 7 18:52:29 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:52:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 10. Re: United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AF0FDD.7060608@scrtc.com> Tony, I hadn't noticed that in his description until you mentioned it. Sounds a bit thin skinned on the sellers part to me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369). Can't be in the market for one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. > >It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though. Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do. > >Thanks again, > >Tony > > > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Fri Jul 7 20:24:13 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:24:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <57e.3bdfbf.31e07f5d@aol.com> Ralph is a good friend. He looked a bit weak at Orange. I attributed it to his recent joint replacement. Ralph will be in Lee and my thoughts. Mike and Lee Semanoff -------------------------------1152329053 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Ralph is a good friend. He looked a bit weak at Orange. I attribu= ted=20 it to his recent joint replacement. Ralph will be in Lee and my thought= s.=20
 Mike and Lee Semanoff
From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Jul 8 02:05:34 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:05:34 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Machining a piston Message-ID: <005001c6a26d$afae5290$56c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> My comments are if you say you can machine a raw piston casting in 4 hrs so be it and I believe that you can . There are many variables in this operation , i.e. how much meat in the casting ,the size and HP of your lathe, tooling and sequence of machining operations. I would prefer to give credit to those of us who have had machine shop experience in our former working lives .Your description of the boring and sleeving operation indicate that you are not an ''Armchair Machinist''...........I find the whole argument bloody pointless. Now I await the smart arse comments. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 8 05:11:13 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 08:11:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used on MAYTAGS? Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 8 06:18:37 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:18:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Always had good luck with Eastwood, Dave. Shipping has been a little pricy for me lately tho. See: http://eastwood.resultspage.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=wrinkle I believe I've also saw it in auto parts stores. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used > on > MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Jul 8 07:24:44 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:24:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Message-ID: <001601c6a29a$43669f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Dave, You can get wrinkle paint at various paint stores. Now that you have a supply of wood sawed up you should go into clothes laundering next. I have just acquired a Maytag washing machine with a single cylinder Maytag engine. It is practically 100% complete and wringers in good condition. It does need restoring but it would make you a beautiful exhibit. Now at shows you could set up a clothes line and do yours and Arnie's laundering daily. I could deliver this to Portland to you or on my way. Also you would get my "Preferred Customer" price. Charlie Bryant >From the woods of Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used on > MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/06 > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jul 8 08:55:43 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:55:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Your wrinkles need painting, Dave? On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was > used on MAYTAGS? > Dave John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rex002 at centurytel.net Sat Jul 8 15:19:33 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:19:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060708081008.03f41a00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000501c6a2dc$97acd8f0$6400a8c0@home> Dave; I got my wrinkle paint from Farm & Fleet , don't know if they have stores in Pa. but I think most auto parts carry it for restoring valve covers on some older automobiles . Anyway I used Plasticoat , if you have an oven in which to heat up the project so the paint wrinkles your in luck if not a heat gun works well , I hung my parts on wire about chest level and used the heat gun to preheat the castings then put a heavy coat of the paint on and dried the paint with the heat gun it worked great but a little more labor intensive , you will see the paint wrinkle right before your eyes ,a light coat of paint wont wrinkle so Practice with a sample piece first then move to the project , If your doing a Maytag try to keep the paint off the Axe handle , also if the handle of the heat gun gets too warm for your hands a cold Ole Mil with in reach should solve the problem. Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used > on MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Jul 8 21:54:48 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:54:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <000f01c6a313$ce030b90$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> I just received word that Ralph Waters passed away at 12:15 A.M. this morning from terminal lung cancer diagnosed as such just 4 or 5 days ago. He was in the hospital one week. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 04:16:56 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:16:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <44ABF601.10408@imc-group.com><009a01c6a163$7b724b40$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM><6f6bb9400607061954p1605b7a5v6039ea3aa9bf6b1a@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060707210832.03f12e98@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004701c6a349$31495f30$cef04c0c@D48VHZ61> Heres an alternative to making a piston from a casting--especially if you have to make the casting. Try making one out of a solid chunk of cast iron. the only draw back I see would be having to relieve all the material between the bosses where rod goes---probably go a little slow having to use "extended" tooling. May not be real practical on big pistons but on the little ones it should be faster than having to go through the process of making castings-----unless you just want to do it. Then again, it's simpler to just go buy a good engine than to restore a worn out basket case-----unless you just want to do it. John Hall From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 04:57:34 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <004701c6a349$31495f30$cef04c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <20060709115734.3260.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, The reason this guy wants to restore this engine is it was boughten by his great grandfather new in 1911 and has been in the family every since. So I can see why he wants to keep it and restore it. I'm waiting for a response from him with bore dimentions so we can see just how much it is worn, then deside what to do. There are several choises and he will look at all of them before making a decission. Thanks to all that has responded. Once I get the information I'll post them and we can go from there. Ron John Hall wrote: Heres an alternative to making a piston from a casting--especially if you have to make the casting. Try making one out of a solid chunk of cast iron. the only draw back I see would be having to relieve all the material between the bosses where rod goes---probably go a little slow having to use "extended" tooling. May not be real practical on big pistons but on the little ones it should be faster than having to go through the process of making castings-----unless you just want to do it. Then again, it's simpler to just go buy a good engine than to restore a worn out basket case-----unless you just want to do it. John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-897500626-1152446254=:1539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
John,
The reason this guy wants to restore this engine is it was boughten by his great grandfather new in 1911 and has been in the family every since. So I can see why he wants to keep it and restore it. I'm waiting for a response from him with bore dimentions so we can see just how much it is worn, then deside what to do. There are several choises  and he will look at all of them before making a decission.
Thanks to all that has responded. Once I get the information I'll post them and we can go from there.
Ron

John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Heres an alternative to making a piston from a casting--especially if you
have to make the casting. Try making one out of a solid chunk of cast iron.
the only draw back I see would be having to relieve all the material between
the bosses where rod goes---probably go a little slow having to use
"extended" tooling. May not be real practical on big pistons but on the
little ones it should be faster than having to go through the process of
making castings-----unless you just want to do it. Then again, it's simpler
to just go buy a good engine than to restore a worn out basket
case-----unless you just want to do it.

John Hall


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How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From mickdema at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 04:58:28 2006 From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <000f01c6a313$ce030b90$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <20060709115828.66426.qmail@web39110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is a sad day indeed. Ralph was one of the best he did so much to promote our hobby. Whether it be a newcomer like myself or an old pro, Ralph was always there to lend a hand. He will be missed. Mick DeMaria --- Charles R Bryant wrote: > I just received word that Ralph Waters passed away > at 12:15 A.M. > this morning from terminal lung cancer diagnosed as > such just > 4 or 5 days ago. He was in the hospital one week. > > Charlie Bryant > Jay, Maine> _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Jul 9 05:05:19 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:05:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters Message-ID: <001101c6a34f$f294a6d0$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Ralph Waters passed away at 12:15 A.M. this morning. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 9 05:48:12 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:48:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> A few of engine videos Message-ID: <20060709124813.RXDS3114.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> After a couple of weekends helping Ron haul some of his recent purchases home, today was an engine running day. I will add some pictures later in the week but for now here are some short videos (each is about 1.5mb). First is the 6hp throttle governed Famous, we ran it for about 6 hours (it took about 2 hours to burn off the excess oil from years of short runs): http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070901.AVI This one is a 5A Olds, a sweet runner: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070903.AVI This one is a 1906 6.5hp Blackstone, a little hard to start but nice once running: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070902.AVI Last and certainly not least is the 1905 10hp Blackstone, an easy starter and a lovely original engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070904.AVI We also fired up a couple of Australs for good measure. I was having so much fun with the Famous and the Blackstones I completely forget to give one of my own engines a run :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jul 9 09:09:23 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:09:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <000f01c6a313$ce030b90$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <200607091609.k69G9X6R058843@mail-gw.fsr.net> To Charlie and all of Ralph's friends and family, we extend our sincere condolences. Saying goodbye is never easy, but one should take comfort in remembering that Ralph's illness was mercifully brief. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R Bryant Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:55 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters I just received word that Ralph Waters passed away at 12:15 A.M. this morning from terminal lung cancer diagnosed as such just 4 or 5 days ago. He was in the hospital one week. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine From nick at holden1.net Sun Jul 9 12:22:53 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:22:53 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally Message-ID: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B> Just back from a good weekend at the Burford Rally Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 14:08:02 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:08:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ralph Waters In-Reply-To: <20060709115828.66426.qmail@web39110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060709115828.66426.qmail@web39110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B17032.9060602@scrtc.com> Sad news indeed Mick. I first met Ralph about 20 years ago at the Dublin, NH show. I always enjoyed chatting with him and he'll be missed by those who knew him. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > This is a sad day indeed. Ralph was one of the best >he did so much to promote our hobby. Whether it be a >newcomer like myself or an old pro, Ralph was always >there to lend a hand. > He will be missed. > > Mick DeMaria > > > > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 9 16:01:57 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> A few of engine videos References: <20060709124813.RXDS3114.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001301c6a3ab$aed927c0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for the videos Patrick. They look terrific. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> A few of engine videos > After a couple of weekends helping Ron haul some of his recent purchases > home, today was an engine running day. I will add some pictures later in the > week but for now here are some short videos (each is about 1.5mb). > First is the 6hp throttle governed Famous, we ran it for about 6 hours (it > took about 2 hours to burn off the excess oil from years of short runs): > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070901.AVI > > This one is a 5A Olds, a sweet runner: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070903.AVI > > This one is a 1906 6.5hp Blackstone, a little hard to start but nice once > running: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070902.AVI > > Last and certainly not least is the 1905 10hp Blackstone, an easy starter > and a lovely original engine: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070904.AVI > > We also fired up a couple of Australs for good measure. I was having so much > fun with the Famous and the Blackstones I completely forget to give one of > my own engines a run :( > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 9 16:17:32 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:17:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally References: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B> Message-ID: <002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Looked like a good rally. Thanks for sharing the photos. Really liked the engine in picture number 5, What is it? Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally Just back from a good weekend at the Burford Rally Photos on webshots Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 9 17:12:39 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:12:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally References: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B> <002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000a01c6a3b5$901410c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Petter Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Burford Rally > Looked like a good rally. Thanks for sharing the photos. Really liked > the > engine in picture number 5, What is it? > > Ron > Canberra > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Holden" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally > > > Just back from a good weekend at the Burford > Rally > Photos on webshots > > Nick > Banbury (UK) > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 17:51:18 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:51:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron Message-ID: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jul 9 18:00:07 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:00:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 In-Reply-To: <002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <000301c6a3bc$31a7d6a0$af00a8c0@sheeba> Two items, one mag related, the other buzz ignition related. 1. The Bosch mag on my MF 1.5 hp mudpump has finally quit sparking. I think it's an AB33 or something man I am getting old and can't remember stuff 8 hours any more. It runs via a trip finger on a pin/roller on the cam. Who works on these - anyone recommend a GOOD mag person I can send this Bosch mag to? 2. To get the engine running for Waukee without the mag working, I made a wood block to fit in place of the mag and rigged a wire through the block to trip on the same pin that tripped the mag finger. This triggers one of those "buzz coils" made using a car coil and a "kit" (turns a car coil into a buzz coil). Makes for a real hot buzz coil setup. Anyway, it's wires like any other buzz coil setup, the system grounds when the wire contacts the roller/pin on the cam, however, I note that sparks fly from the wire and cam pin. I wonder - can that arcing be reduced or taken care of using a condensor? Would it still function? It sort of is a concern as should a bit of gas be in the area, well............ Thanks. Bill Runnells, IA From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 9 18:16:21 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3 Lunger lifts/lowers bridge Message-ID: <20060709.212438.1192.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe; I was lucky enough to find the engine and mechanism pictures on the Library of Congress website. = = = = = Cheater - - - ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From BillMil357 at aol.com Sun Jul 9 18:29:00 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:29:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron Message-ID: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> Hey Tommy, That Hagan is a big engine, I sure would like to see it, would there be any chance you would bring it to the SIAM show. What was it used for in an orange grove? 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From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 18:35:32 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:35:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question References: <20060709115734.3260.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c6a3c1$24e59880$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Nothing like family iron. We are fortunate to have a few pieces of it. Those are the pieces that you generally don't count your time or money when working on. Seond best to that is iron that you got from friends and neighbors and were able to get a history with it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question > John, > The reason this guy wants to restore this engine is it was boughten by > his great grandfather new in 1911 and has been in the family every since. > So I can see why he wants to keep it and restore it. I'm waiting for a > response from him with bore dimentions so we can see just how much it is > worn, then deside what to do. There are several choises and he will look > at all of them before making a decission. > Thanks to all that has responded. Once I get the information I'll post > them and we can go from there. > Ron > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 9 18:38:57 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:38:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: I like that! John On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and > has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 9 18:47:56 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:47:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <005d01c6a3c2$dfdf15c0$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Great find! Never heard of a Hagan, are there others known to exist? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron >I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and > has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years > ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through > 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, > you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I > have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it > home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by > the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it > going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which > one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with > Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when > Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner > who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if > I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. > Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place > it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the > small photos and they'll enlarge. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Jul 9 18:51:53 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:51:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally References: <44B1578C.000003.02692@YOUR-447023AE6B><002501c6a3ad$dbc04b40$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <000a01c6a3b5$901410c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00b301c6a3c3$6ba4f200$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Reg Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Burford Rally > Petter > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Burford Rally > > > > Looked like a good rally. Thanks for sharing the photos. Really liked > > the > > engine in picture number 5, What is it? > > > > Ron > > Canberra > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Holden" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Burford Rally > > > > > > Just back from a good weekend at the Burford > > Rally > > Photos on webshots > > > > Nick > > Banbury (UK) > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 18:52:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:52:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> Message-ID: <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> Bill, I'm not sure that I'll ever get the chance to take it to a show due to its size and weight (probably around 12 K). That is, unless the show is at my place..... I assume it was probably used as part of an irrigation or pumping system. Not sure though and this is a guess. Other than KY, Florida was the primary sales location of Hagan's. In fact, one of their jobbers, J.P. Campbell, sold so many that they let him put his own name on the engines. I have a 2 HP here and the tag says, rather than Hagan, "J.P. Campbell, Jacksonville, Florida". I don't know if Campbell sold the big 50 or not but I would bet there is a good chance his company did. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hey Tommy, > >That Hagan is a big engine, I sure would like to see it, would there be any >chance you would bring it to the SIAM show. What was it used for in an orange >grove? > >Bill Miller. > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Jul 9 18:41:42 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:41:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Message-ID: <20060709.220701.1000.4.jlb94@juno.com> The MAYTAG Wrinkle Paint Wharehouse ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From jbcast at charter.net Sun Jul 9 19:13:16 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:13:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 Message-ID: <31356638.1152497596941.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> > > 2. To get the engine running for Waukee without the mag working, I made a > wood block to fit in place of the mag and rigged a wire through the block to > trip on the same pin that tripped the mag finger. This triggers one of those > "buzz coils" made using a car coil and a "kit" (turns a car coil into a buzz > coil). Makes for a real hot buzz coil setup. > Anyway, it's wires like any other buzz coil setup, the system grounds when > the wire contacts the roller/pin on the cam, however, I note that sparks fly > from the wire and cam pin. > I wonder - can that arcing be reduced or taken care of using a condensor? > Would it still function? > It sort of is a concern as should a bit of gas be in the area, > well............ Bill, you can try a "clamping diode". Find a diode, old alternator or Radio Shack. Install it between the wire and ground, use a test light to figure which way to put it. The diode should not flow current when in the circuit, won't light the light, reverse it if it does. The sparks are caused by reverse emf which is current flowing back the other way, if you have + hooked to the coil, the reverse emf will be coming back negative. The diode will flow the negative current to ground and prevent sparking. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Jul 9 19:19:42 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:19:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000401c6a3c7$5035a470$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, What a great addition to your nest of engines! I remember looking at this engine when we visited Terry while on tour back there in the fall of 2003. I was intreged by the rocker arm that opens the valves to each cylinder and the igniter trip rods. It could not have found a better home and as for finding a permanent place to set it.....I have lots of room! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Jul 9 19:31:57 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:31:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004e01c6a3ca$ad7253b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Nice to see you are finally accepting old age and going to small engines! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron >I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has >2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at >Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons >in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, you'd go >broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I have a >neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home without >it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter >brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going and then >one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The >engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing >it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were >featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, Kentucky. >Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest in it. We worked >up a trade and I finally got it home. Terry had a real nice sub base >fabricated for it and I'm going to place it under the engine and find a >permanent place to set it. Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:10:02 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:10:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] bore and sleave an engine question In-Reply-To: <003501c6a3c1$24e59880$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20060709115734.3260.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003501c6a3c1$24e59880$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607092010w2a7ba3efta4ef70365f18bdd4@mail.gmail.com> Dave, Please don't think that I am being arrogant or anything, all I am doing is basically agreeing with Curt. Where I was working for past 6 years is a machine shop with average machines at best. If I were given the job of machining say a 1.5hp Herc piston from a raw casting, I would have been reprimanded if it took more than 4 hours, that's just how long it should take for a piston of that size. Bigger piston may take an extra hour or two. In a home workshop it probably would take 8 or 10 hours or something but all I am saying is what I believe Curt is trying to say, and that is that a machine shop with the sufficient tools, to machine a small size piston like 1.5hp Hercules from a casting should take about 4 hours. Lesser machine shop and possibly experience will obviously increase time, as the time I am estimating would be for a qualified or experienced fitter/machinist. Hope this clarifies. Ben From frazer.ben at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:26:57 2006 From: frazer.ben at gmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:26:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Machining a piston In-Reply-To: <005001c6a26d$afae5290$56c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <005001c6a26d$afae5290$56c631cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f6bb9400607092026v5242515bueb7f7d569bf1bb3b@mail.gmail.com> My comments on machining a piston which was only agreeing with Curt, were not for doing it in your own shed at home but, as I wrote, in a machine shop with appropriate tools and an experienced fiter/machininst. I am not being a 'smart arse', just, as far as thought, joining in a friendly chat about machining and hoping that any experience I do have can be helpful to those who excel in other areas. For example, I have little experience in painting of engines and can only do an average job at best so when people who are painters or have vast experience at painting give their opinion, I listen. My aim when joining this list was to gain information and where possible, provide a little. I apologise if my previous comments have come across as arrogant at all, as this is the last opinion I want people to have of me. So if that is the case, I will work on my communication skills in this area. Thanks again, Ben ------=_Part_94023_32786909.1152502017114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My comments on machining a piston which was only agreeing with Curt, were not for doing it in your own shed at home but, as I wrote, in a machine shop with appropriate tools and an experienced fiter/machininst. I am not being a 'smart arse', just, as far as thought, joining in a friendly chat about machining and hoping that any experience I do have can be helpful to those who excel in other areas.

For example, I have little experience in painting of engines and can only do an average job at best so when people who are painters or have vast experience at painting give their opinion, I listen.

My aim when joining this list was to gain information and where possible, provide a little. I apologise if my previous comments have come across as arrogant at all, as this is the last opinion I want people to have of me. So if that is the case, I will work on my communication skills in this area.

Thanks again,
Ben


From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Jul 9 20:33:13 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint In-Reply-To: <000501c6a2dc$97acd8f0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20060710033316.DB53A627828@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> eastwood, walmart, a lot of places carry the crinkle black now. I'm going to powdercoat my next one - should hold up since they don't run very hot (when at all) you can get crinkle/wrinkle black powdercoat. It's a bit more pricy and you might have to explain putting a maytag in the oven........... Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 5:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint Dave; I got my wrinkle paint from Farm & Fleet , don't know if they have stores in Pa. but I think most auto parts carry it for restoring valve covers on some older automobiles . Anyway I used Plasticoat , if you have an oven in which to heat up the project so the paint wrinkles your in luck if not a heat gun works well , I hung my parts on wire about chest level and used the heat gun to preheat the castings then put a heavy coat of the paint on and dried the paint with the heat gun it worked great but a little more labor intensive , you will see the paint wrinkle right before your eyes ,a light coat of paint wont wrinkle so Practice with a sample piece first then move to the project , If your doing a Maytag try to keep the paint off the Axe handle , also if the handle of the heat gun gets too warm for your hands a cold Ole Mil with in reach should solve the problem. Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [SEL] MAYTAG Paint > Hi All, Where can I get several cans of that wrinkle paint that was used > on MAYTAGS? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 20:58:36 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:58:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000401c6a3c7$5035a470$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000401c6a3c7$5035a470$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44B1D06C.9050106@scrtc.com> Thanks Wayne. Yup, I'm sure you looked at it at Terry's place in '03. Its about time you guys did that again. I know you have room and would give it a good home but it would certainly get homesick for KY since it was born here! Talk with you again soon. Tommy Turner >Tommy, > >What a great addition to your nest of engines! I remember looking at this >engine when we visited Terry while on tour back there in the fall of 2003. I >was intreged by the rocker arm that opens the valves to each cylinder and >the igniter trip rods. It could not have found a better home and as for >finding a permanent place to set it.....I have lots of room! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 9 21:09:14 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:09:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <005d01c6a3c2$dfdf15c0$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> <005d01c6a3c2$dfdf15c0$26d74c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <44B1D2EA.8070406@scrtc.com> Yeah John, there are a few single cylinders around as well as 3 two cylinders.. I know of nearly everyone that's out there and the single cylinders total about 30. As far as the two clyinders, I have a 20 HP and the big 50 and Mike Leet of TX has a 30. They were built in Winchester, KY and their unique feature is the carb set up. A brass chain is used as the fuel pump by virtue of it to dipping in the fuel and carrying it up to a slide valve mechanism in the carb. They were headless and didn't use gaskets as all joints were "ground to fit" as their literature said. Both valves were actuated via a double lobe cam and then a rockshaft transferred the energy of the cam to the valves. The 50 is the 14th Hagan I've got so I kind of like them! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Great find! > Never heard of a Hagan, are there others known to exist? > > John > From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 9 21:21:27 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:21:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE:Photos In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a3d8$5100ace0$2ab85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> I'd like to thank all the list members who take their time to post photos. I'm disabled and it is very hard for me to get out and go to the different shows that there are. I enjoy the photos that are posted and I save every one to a CD so that I can go back from time to time and enjoy them. Again thanks to every one that makes my day a little brighter. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Jul 9 21:21:02 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:21:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. I'm going to reveal my ignorance about gigantic engines by saying I'm curious about the fuel consumption. Granted, that huge displacement is going to suck in a whole bunch of fuel, but should it take that much just to overcome friction and windage? I once helped run a 35 h.p. Superior at a show and it seemed to be rather thrifty, running on propane. BTW, an acquaintance of mine built a Hagan model. Wow, what a contrast in size! Wayne, the valve operation intrigued me, too. Those old-timers could be clever. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Snip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Sun Jul 9 22:04:06 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:04:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Orrin, You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:21 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] BIG Iron Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. I'm going to reveal my ignorance about gigantic engines by saying I'm curious about the fuel consumption. Granted, that huge displacement is going to suck in a whole bunch of fuel, but should it take that much just to overcome friction and windage? I once helped run a 35 h.p. Superior at a show and it seemed to be rather thrifty, running on propane. BTW, an acquaintance of mine built a Hagan model. Wow, what a contrast in size! Wayne, the valve operation intrigued me, too. Those old-timers could be clever. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Snip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Jul 9 22:55:35 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:55:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron Message-ID: <564.1463f9a.31e345d7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/9/2006 10:07:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel Hi List, This posting intrigued me on how a chain could get fuel to the carburetor. As a result, I found this article in the GEM archives on the Hagan. 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From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 04:09:30 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:09:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <564.1463f9a.31e345d7@aol.com> References: <564.1463f9a.31e345d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <44B2356A.6090404@scrtc.com> Francis, I wrote that a a few years ago for GEM. The carb catalog cuts give a good idea of how the chain and carb worked. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >In a message dated 7/9/2006 10:07:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >wayne at lorenssanitation.com writes: > >Did you by chance >get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel > > >Hi List, >This posting intrigued me on how a chain could get fuel to the carburetor. As a result, I found this article in the GEM archives on the Hagan. Within this article there is a drawing of Hagan fuel system. > >_http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/complete-archive/6570_ >(http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/complete-archive/6570) > >The drawing helped me understand how it was accomplished. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 04:18:51 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:18:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Tommy, Another beautiful hunk of iron for the Magnolia Old Iron Museum! It looks like the pistons are in the same relative position in the cylinder so does this mean that the engine fires "evenly" with one hit every revolution (unlike a John Deere tractor with an uneven "dead" revolution)? If so, how is the balance of the engine? I guess that's the reason for the big counter weights on the crank throws. So how 'bout that show at the Magnolia Old Iron Museum? See ya', Mike From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jul 10 04:21:04 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:21:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Tommy this may be a dumb question. Does it fire both cylinders together. Or do they fire one on power and other on its exhaust stroke. Nice BIG engine R Fink PA At 08:51 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has >2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago >at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 >gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, >you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I >have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it home >without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by the >McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it going >and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which one it >was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf >purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built >engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in >Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest >in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. >Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place it >under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. Click on the small >photos and they'll enlarge. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 04:24:09 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:24:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44B238D9.9030901@scrtc.com> Wayne, I've heard of people doing that with results in the engine speed. I would suspicion that would work though only if the slide valve in the carb is worn and allows fuel to "seep" around the mechanism. Theoretically, if the slide valve is working correctly it wouldn't matter how much fuel (as long as it was sufficient to run the engine) reached the carb as the slide would regulate it. I have heard tales of old engine running days where they couldn't get enough fuel to the engine. They would take the chain and intertwine a cotton string through it. The cotton would absorb the gas and help carry a greater quantity to the carb. I have had more luck regulating the speed of the Hagan's via adjustment of the intake valve than the chains. However, each engine has a personality and whatever it takes to make one go the way you want it to is what has to be done. I've thought about bringing one to Portland again this year (I brought one there 3 years ago). Haven't totally decided what to bring though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Orrin, > >You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 10 04:57:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:57:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tommy, Ya know this is probably how the show at Coolspring got started? Take one awesome engine collection, add mates with engines, and voila, awesome show. So, what date do you have in mind for the first annual Tommy Turner engine show? See ya, Arnie PS - Next we need to figger out a clever name for the show. PPS - And we can use this opportunity to introduce the American engine world to a brilliant facet of the English engine rallys; the BEER TENT. I'm happy to step forward as lead consultant on the ale selection. 8-)) Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > I'm not sure that I'll ever get the chance to take it to a show due > to its size and weight (probably around 12 K). That is, unless the show > is at my place..... From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 10 04:58:50 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 In-Reply-To: <31356638.1152497596941.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> References: <31356638.1152497596941.JavaMail.root@fepweb01> Message-ID: <1477.165.206.180.19.1152532730.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Here's an image of what I've got - where would you place the diode? http://antique-engines.com/images/fm-ignition.JPG The wood block is the same size as the Bosch mag, I drilled down through it, aimed a wire at the pin on the cam when the piston was just prior to TDC, can adjust by bending the wire which is bronze brazing rod - it's tough, flexible/springy but can be bent to shape. The block clamps in exactly how the mag did. I put a terminal on the block on the same screw that holds the trigger wire in place in its hole. The image link above is how it's wired now (and the engine runs like a champ, meaning all prior issues with missing, etc. was ignition related - which is what I suspected all these years but never took time to prove.) Bill > >> >> 2. To get the engine running for Waukee without the mag working, I made >> a >> wood block to fit in place of the mag and rigged a wire through the >> block to >> trip on the same pin that tripped the mag finger. This triggers one of >> those >> "buzz coils" made using a car coil and a "kit" (turns a car coil into a >> buzz >> coil). Makes for a real hot buzz coil setup. >> Anyway, it's wires like any other buzz coil setup, the system grounds >> when >> the wire contacts the roller/pin on the cam, however, I note that sparks >> fly >> from the wire and cam pin. >> I wonder - can that arcing be reduced or taken care of using a >> condensor? >> Would it still function? >> It sort of is a concern as should a bit of gas be in the area, >> well............ > Bill, you can try a "clamping diode". Find a diode, old alternator or > Radio Shack. Install it between the wire and ground, use a test light to > figure which way to put it. The diode should not flow current when in the > circuit, won't light the light, reverse it if it does. The sparks are > caused by reverse emf which is current flowing back the other way, if you > have + hooked to the coil, the reverse emf will be coming back negative. > The diode will flow the negative current to ground and prevent sparking. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > From jbcast at charter.net Mon Jul 10 05:57:04 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 5:57:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 2 ignition questions - FM 1.5 Message-ID: <7473476.1152536224492.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> ---- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Here's an image of what I've got - where would you place the diode? > > http://antique-engines.com/images/fm-ignition.JPG > Bill, anywhere on the negative side of the coil to ground. If you put it backwards the coil will fire continously. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 10 06:36:46 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:36:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 10. Re: United Type A followed me home! In-Reply-To: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060708013230.60174.qmail@web81211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1152538606.44b257eef0ee1@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Tony, Quoting Tony Pitts : > Thanks for the link on the mag (120004362369). Can't be in the market for > one yet, but it is good to know what to look for. As Tommy said they can be hard to find and pretty pricy when you do find one. There are two main styles of these mags; one with a cast bronze body and one with a cast zinc (or potmetal?) one. My 3-1/2 hp United (T/G, gas/kero) has the bronze body mag. I've been told there can be significant cracking problems with the other ones. > It did seem rather unclassy of the seller to call out Arnie like that though. > Not sure the story there, but it seemed an odd thing to do. heh-heh-heh. Methinks he doth protest too much... (I wonder why?) A good while back I had sent him an email on an engine he had listed on eBay letting him know that his use of the "private bidder" feature would cause me to not bid although I would have had it been an open auction. I told him that his stated "reasons" for choosing the private bidder method were bogus and that all he was interested in was maximizing his selling price. Fair enough, I told him, nothing at all wrong with being a greedy bastard, that is after all why eBay exists and why we put things up for sale. You may recall another eBay seller who switched to private bidders when folks were telling his bidders that they could get Wendel's reprint BYB for $50 from Wendel when the seller had listed it at $100 and was making sales well over that price. I pointed out that another approach that some greedy bastard sellers use is to have shill bidders run up the price on an auction. I described how a potential bidder can easily spot this, but NOT if the bidders are hidden. He replied "but look at my feedback" that clearly PROVES I don't use shill bidders. Right... All it shows is that the winning bidders were happy with the transaction. They might have been even happier if a shill bidder hadn't run the price up (but there was no way for them, or anyone else, to know, was there?). In the unlikely event that a shill bidder wins, I'd wager he'd leave FANTASTIC feedback... 8-)) Needless to say, this seller seems to be overly sensitive to the notion of using shill bidders. This sensitivity seems to be a shared characteristic among those who choose to run private bidder auctions. But as long as they choose to keep things hidden, you just need to trust 'em. Or not... As for me, I won't bid on private auctions. And that's the "rest of the story." See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 06:42:31 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:42:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> <200607100421.k6A4LHx8024807@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060710093756.04039c08@mail.alltel.net> At 12:21 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. >Regards, >Orrin Hi Orrin, Beautiful women from all across our great nation have been telling Tommy that for years--but I suspect this is the first time he has been told that by a man! Dave From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Jul 10 06:47:14 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:47:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000101c6a3de$45dd5c40$71dfd2d8@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <200607101347.k6ADlOTg025726@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wayne, yes I got to see Lauren's collection along with his Western that's a smaller version of your big one at Brooks. I must have missed his Hagan, however. There was far too much to see and absorb in just an hour, or two. That chain arrangement is probably the reason the twin takes so much fuel. It certainly doesn't lend itself to fine-tuning the mixture. :-) Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:04 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] BIG Iron Orrin, You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Orrin Iseminger Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:21 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] BIG Iron Wow! That's a big one, all right! Good for you Tommy. I'm going to reveal my ignorance about gigantic engines by saying I'm curious about the fuel consumption. Granted, that huge displacement is going to suck in a whole bunch of fuel, but should it take that much just to overcome friction and windage? I once helped run a 35 h.p. Superior at a show and it seemed to be rather thrifty, running on propane. BTW, an acquaintance of mine built a Hagan model. Wow, what a contrast in size! Wayne, the valve operation intrigued me, too. Those old-timers could be clever. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Snip http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 07:56:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:56:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: References: <44B1A486.9010402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44B26AB8.8060607@scrtc.com> You're right Michael, one piston is on power and the other on exhaust. The counter weights balance it out. My smaller 2 cylinder has the throw 180 degress out which means it would run like a JD, power, power, exhaust, exhaust and then repeat the process. As for the Magnolia Old Iron Museum, one of these days..... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > > Another beautiful hunk of iron for the Magnolia Old Iron Museum! It > looks like the pistons are in the same relative position in the > cylinder so does this mean that the engine fires "evenly" with one hit > every revolution (unlike a John Deere tractor with an uneven "dead" > revolution)? If so, how is the balance of the engine? I guess that's > the reason for the big counter weights on the crank throws. > > So how 'bout that show at the Magnolia Old Iron Museum? > > See ya', > Mike > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 07:57:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:57:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <44B26AED.3040107@scrtc.com> Richard, Ones on power and the other is on exhaust. It makes the engine sound real nice. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy this may be a dumb question. Does it fire both cylinders > together. Or do they fire one on power and other on its exhaust > stroke. Nice BIG engine > R Fink > PA > > > > > At 08:51 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >> I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan >> and has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine >> 11 years ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, >> going through 5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long >> at a show ($$$$, you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of >> the flywheels. I have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I >> couldn't have gotten it home without it. This engine was found in >> Florida in the early 80's by the McWhorter brothers and it had been >> in an orange grove. They got it going and then one of the brothers >> died (sadly, I can't remember which one it was). The engines were >> sold and this one came to Indiana with Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I >> ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when Kentucky built engines were >> featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner who lives in Union, >> Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if I had interest >> in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. >> Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to >> place it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. >> Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 08:03:00 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <44B26C24.80309@scrtc.com> Hey Arnie, retirement has to come first as I wouldn't have time to make a go of anything until then. I've got 20 acres where my dad's old machine shop was located that I might try to have a get together at some day. Old iron, some barbecue, and what ever else you folks would like..... could be fun. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy, > >Ya know this is probably how the show at Coolspring got started? Take one >awesome engine collection, add mates with engines, and voila, awesome show. > >So, what date do you have in mind for the first annual Tommy Turner engine >show? > >See ya, Arnie > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 10 08:49:10 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:49:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B26C24.80309@scrtc.com> References: <3c9.4d3d874.31e3075c@aol.com> <44B1B2F8.2000305@scrtc.com> <1152532677.44b240c5d712d@webmail.city-net.com> <44B26C24.80309@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1152546550.44b276f6f1731@webmail.city-net.com> I hear ya on that retirement thing bro. Dave has been setting a good example. Oh, one minor correction on your post. It should read... "WOULD be fun!" Can't wait for the announcement of the first annual Magnolia Olde Iron Festival. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Hey Arnie, retirement has to come first as I wouldn't have time to make > a go of anything until then. I've got 20 acres where my dad's old > machine shop was located that I might try to have a get together at some > day. Old iron, some barbecue, and what ever else you folks would > like..... could be fun. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Jul 10 08:50:58 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:50:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B238D9.9030901@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000401c6a438$a4bad7b0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Tommy, It would be nice to see one run. I have seen a few Hagan's, but never had the opportunity to see one run. I'll be looking forward to Portland with the hopes of seeing one running. Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:24 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG Iron Wayne, I've heard of people doing that with results in the engine speed. I would suspicion that would work though only if the slide valve in the carb is worn and allows fuel to "seep" around the mechanism. Theoretically, if the slide valve is working correctly it wouldn't matter how much fuel (as long as it was sufficient to run the engine) reached the carb as the slide would regulate it. I have heard tales of old engine running days where they couldn't get enough fuel to the engine. They would take the chain and intertwine a cotton string through it. The cotton would absorb the gas and help carry a greater quantity to the carb. I have had more luck regulating the speed of the Hagan's via adjustment of the intake valve than the chains. However, each engine has a personality and whatever it takes to make one go the way you want it to is what has to be done. I've thought about bringing one to Portland again this year (I brought one there 3 years ago). Haven't totally decided what to bring though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Orrin, > >You really need to see the engine in person as it is nice. Did you by chance get to see Lauren's collection while at the NW Regional. He has a Hagan and said that it has two chains to carry the fuel up to the intake. Also said if you wanted it to run slower you would remove one of the chains so it only got half the fuel. Tommy, does this sound right to you? > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Jul 10 09:12:58 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:12:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <1152546550.44b276f6f1731@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000501c6a43b$b7a11210$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Arnie, The correction should read....."WILL be fun!!" Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:49 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG Iron I hear ya on that retirement thing bro. Dave has been setting a good example. Oh, one minor correction on your post. It should read... "WOULD be fun!" Can't wait for the announcement of the first annual Magnolia Olde Iron Festival. See ya, Arnie Quoting Judge Tommy Turner : > Hey Arnie, retirement has to come first as I wouldn't have time to make > a go of anything until then. I've got 20 acres where my dad's old > machine shop was located that I might try to have a get together at some > day. Old iron, some barbecue, and what ever else you folks would > like..... could be fun. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 11:04:58 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:04:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <000401c6a438$a4bad7b0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000401c6a438$a4bad7b0$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44B296CA.3020702@scrtc.com> Wayne, I've got a 3 HP and maybe I'll bring it. Its in original condition, has the water pump and friction drive mag, etc. It runs nice as well. I had thought about bringing the Callahan but I'd have to dig it out and do some tinkering on it. All I have to do with the Hagan is load it up (sounds better all the time). We'll see you no matter what old iron I drag to Portland. Tommy >Tommy, > >It would be nice to see one run. I have seen a few Hagan's, but never had >the opportunity to see one run. I'll be looking forward to Portland with the >hopes of seeing one running. > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 10 12:13:06 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:13:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... Message-ID: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> The weekend was a very productive one, spent sandblasted all day on a IHC cart to place the 5HP Alamo engine on. It's too heavy and it's got to be on wheels for me to handle it. Someday I'll find a correct Bentendorf cart...... The cart is really in excellent shape with so little rust to the main rails, that for the first time, I found some numbers stamped on the inside of a rail. I've not seen this on other IHC carts.....perhaps I simply didn't notice or maybe it was rusted away. I'm guessing this is a date code. It is stamped on the inside of the left rail at the front. Here is a picture of it after sandblasting and in primer. I'm guessing this is the 16th day of Feb, 1906??? What do the IHC gurus think? Is this a common mark on IHC carts? Finds like this always bring up fond memories of John Hammick.....he'd have known. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jul 10 13:12:58 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:12:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> References: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> Curt, What type IH cart do you have? I might trade you a Bettendorf for it. I think I have a use for the Bettendorfs I've got but I could use an IH cart also. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > The weekend was a very productive one, spent sandblasted all day on a > IHC cart to place the 5HP Alamo engine on. It's too heavy and it's got > to be on wheels for me to handle it. Someday I'll find a correct > Bentendorf cart...... > > The cart is really in excellent shape with so little rust to the main > rails, that for the first time, I found some numbers stamped on the > inside of a rail. I've not seen this on other IHC carts.....perhaps I > simply didn't notice or maybe it was rusted away. > > I'm guessing this is a date code. It is stamped on the inside of the > left rail at the front. Here is a picture of it after sandblasting and > in primer. > > > I'm guessing this is the 16th day of Feb, 1906??? What do the IHC > gurus think? > Is this a common mark on IHC carts? Finds like this always bring up > fond memories of John Hammick.....he'd have known. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 14:17:59 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:17:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> References: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: >What type IH cart do you have? I might trade you a Bettendorf for it. Curt, I bet at this point you could care less what those numbers on your IHC cart mean :-)! -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jul 10 14:32:52 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:32:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] monitor vj Message-ID: <000601c6a468$7a9d96e0$f0ac2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi guys, Restoration of the vj pumping set is almost complete but I have a minor detail to sort out first , could anyone advise me about a date of manufacture. The serial number is 45394. Thanks in advance , Craig in a very sunny Scotland From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Jul 10 18:58:32 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:58:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] BIG Iron In-Reply-To: <44B26AED.3040107@scrtc.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> <4.2.0.58.20060710041717.01b596f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060710185818.01b10100@mail.pennswoods.net> Tanks At 10:57 AM 7/10/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Richard, > Ones on power and the other is on exhaust. It makes the engine sound > real nice. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > >>Tommy this may be a dumb question. Does it fire both cylinders together. >>Or do they fire one on power and other on its exhaust stroke. Nice BIG engine >>R Fink >>PA >> >> >> >> >>At 08:51 PM 7/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>I just got this home this afternoon. This engine is a 50 HP Hagan and >>>has 2 - 25 HP cylinders placed side by side. I ran this engine 11 years >>>ago at Portland and it ran well. It uses the fuel though, going through >>>5 gallons in probably 30 minutes. Couldn't run it long at a show ($$$$, >>>you'd go broke fast!). Its about 72" to the top of the flywheels. I >>>have a neighbor that has a big roll back. I couldn't have gotten it >>>home without it. This engine was found in Florida in the early 80's by >>>the McWhorter brothers and it had been in an orange grove. They got it >>>going and then one of the brothers died (sadly, I can't remember which >>>one it was). The engines were sold and this one came to Indiana with >>>Kenny Wolf purchasing it. I ran it for Kenny at Portland in '94 when >>>Kentucky built engines were featured. Kenny traded it to Terry Tanner >>>who lives in Union, Kentucky. Last fall Terry contacted me and asked if >>>I had interest in it. We worked up a trade and I finally got it home. >>>Terry had a real nice sub base fabricated for it and I'm going to place >>>it under the engine and find a permanent place to set it. >>>Click on the small photos and they'll enlarge. >>> >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009203&a=32236594&f= >>> >>>Tommy Turner >>>Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Jul 10 16:35:00 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:35:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] monitor vj References: <000601c6a468$7a9d96e0$f0ac2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000601c6a479$76fd07d0$6400a8c0@home> Hi Craig ; Here is a Link to Patrick M Livingstone's site it has some of the Baker Monitor dates listed , Isn't it great to be able to find what your looking for because some other collectors is willing to share , Hope this helps http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/littlemonitor2.html Rex Hinz How can you have one too many if you can't remember how many you have had ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [SEL] monitor vj > Hi guys, > Restoration of the vj pumping set is almost complete but I have > a minor detail to sort out first , could anyone advise me about a date of > manufacture. > The serial number is 45394. > > Thanks in advance , > Craig in a very sunny Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 10 18:00:50 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:00:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz Message-ID: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> For Joe. Your server is not accepting mail from me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Jul 10 20:30:38 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:30:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2B4CA.6000107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> OK Just what exactly is a Bettendorf truck? Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... > > Curt, > What type IH cart do you have? I might trade you a Bettendorf for > it. I think I have a use for the Bettendorfs I've got but I could use > an IH cart also. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 10 20:24:13 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:24:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz In-Reply-To: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060710232335.04188ec0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Reg, There is a REASON for that! Dave At 09:00 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >For Joe. >Your server is not accepting mail from me. >Reg & Marg Ingold. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Jul 10 20:55:57 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:55:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] monitor vj References: <000601c6a468$7a9d96e0$f0ac2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <000f01c6a49d$eaea4440$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Craig, I took a look at the serial number list in Wendel's notebook. The list stops at 44000, Aug. 13, 1934 but at least it gives you a hint of when it might have been made.. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [SEL] monitor vj Hi guys, Restoration of the vj pumping set is almost complete but I have a minor detail to sort out first , could anyone advise me about a date of manufacture. The serial number is 45394. Thanks in advance , Craig in a very sunny Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jul 10 21:40:20 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:40:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <44B2A6C2.1020205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003501c6a4a4$1ef0fee0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I'm guessing this is a date code. It > is stamped on the inside of the > left rail at the front. Hey Curt, Since you're a bona-fide engine maker, do you put your name and date on the stuff you make? I try to remember to stamp, weld, or otherwise mark my creations. It's not like it's important, but I figure that 100 years from now, some collector might be interested. I know I'm interested when I see someone's stamps or initials in a machine or a tool. Rob From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 10 22:16:16 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz References: <011101c6a485$7dd90ca0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.1.2.0.0.20060710232335.04188ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <01ed01c6a4aa$64ec6f50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ive bin waitin fer a smartarse reply from you over this! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Joe Betz > Hi Reg, There is a REASON for that! > Dave > > At 09:00 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >>For Joe. >>Your server is not accepting mail from me. >>Reg & Marg Ingold. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Jul 11 04:25:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:25:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] For the IHC gurus.... In-Reply-To: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <44B38AA0.8010609@scrtc.com> Dave, Bettendorf manufactured wheels, wagons, and engine trucks. They were located in Bettendorf, Iowa. Their all steel trucks were a bit more elaborate than most and were more costly. You found them under the more costly engines such as Columbus, Alamo, Ohio and Olds. The trucks are about as hard to find as the old engines. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >OK > >Just what exactly is a Bettendorf truck? > >Dave > > > > From shop at cccomm.net Tue Jul 11 05:13:47 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:13:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wendel References: <000001c6a49a$615cd330$0201a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <44B38AA0.8010609@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <007c01c6a4e3$76222b00$6401a8c0@Shop> Anybody know when Wendell's publisher is going to ship the new edition that was supposed to come out in late June? From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Jul 11 07:24:10 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:24:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Joe Betz Message-ID: <20060711.103200.992.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, Don't know what to say. Everything seems to be fine on this end. Juno is the only server I have. I don't have firewalls or spam filters. I'll see if there's anything I can do. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Four wheels move the body - (_o_) two wheels move the soul." (Lt. Gov. K.B. Knoll) From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Jul 12 04:42:22 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:42:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine Message-ID: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 12 05:25:40 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:25:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine In-Reply-To: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <20060712122534.YVRB5695.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Looks nice Brock. A great find! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 12 05:42:46 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:42:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000301c6a5b0$ae4f5660$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "oldengine .org" ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield Hi Brock, I wish you Aussies wouldn't keep showing us how many Desirable English engines you have when they are as rare as rocking horse sh!t over here. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 12 07:13:54 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:13:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> See: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html Dave From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Jul 12 07:42:24 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:42:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine In-Reply-To: <20060712122534.YVRB5695.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200607121442.k6CEgcU0053450@mail-gw.fsr.net> Brock, that's a dandy! I'm jealous. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. ~~~~~~~~ G,day All A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have put a few pics on my webshots page Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 12 07:51:36 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:51:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000301c6a5c2$ae17ed80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > See: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html > Dave Pish. It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 12 08:56:47 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:56:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <000301c6a5c2$ae17ed80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <000301c6a5c2$ae17ed80$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <44B51BBF.5050605@scrtc.com> I've certainly seen litigation over much less. Since we are a "group" class action status would be in order.... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > > >>See: >> >> >http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html > > >> Dave >> >> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 12 09:37:19 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:37:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <44B51BBF.5050605@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001001c6a5d1$7278b8e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > I've certainly seen litigation over much > less. Since we are a "group" class action > status would be in order.... :-) I knew I could count on you, Tommy, to help figure out a way to finance my next engine. Rob P.S. That two cylinder Hagan sure is neat. From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Jul 12 10:15:23 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:15:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <001001c6a5d1$7278b8e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <001001c6a5d1$7278b8e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: >I knew I could count on you, Tommy, to help >figure out a way to finance my next engine. > >Rob > >P.S. >That two cylinder Hagan sure is neat. Rob, Are you trying to hint to Tommy that the 2 cylinder Hagan is YOUR next engine? Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jul 12 11:52:29 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:52:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <200607121600.k6CG03fS011662@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200607122056156.SM00460@new.databak.co.za> At 06:00 PM 12/07/2006, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:51:36 -0700 >From: "Rob Skinner" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution > > > See: >http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html > > Dave > > >Pish. It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine >List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:56:47 -0400 >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <44B51BBF.5050605 at scrtc.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >I've certainly seen litigation over much less. Since we are a "group" >class action status would be in order.... > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY We got Lawyers ??? Oh Shite - I'm outta hereL: Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 12 13:08:21 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:08:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine Message-ID: <432.5613680.31e6b0b5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:07:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brock at netspeed.com.au writes: << A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine >> Brock, Nice find! What does that baby weigh? It sure looks massive! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Jul 12 13:11:51 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:11:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution Message-ID: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: << It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? >> Was it registered? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Jul 12 13:12:33 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <200607122056156.SM00460@new.databak.co.za> References: <200607122056156.SM00460@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <44B557B1.7060305@imc-group.com> Jerry, As lawyers go, he's a pretty kewl lawyer! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jerry Evans wrote: > > We got Lawyers ??? > Oh Shite - I'm outta hereL: > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Jul 12 14:03:40 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:03:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> References: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> At 04:11 PM 7/12/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: > ><< It is entirely derivative of the Stationary Engine > List logo. Have our team of lawyers been notified? Tommy? >> > > >Was it registered? > >Tom Schmutz Yes, it is registered. I hold the copy rite of the SEL Logo! Dave PS, For those new LIST members w/out a clue see: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/atis_goodlogo.jpg and http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/SE_Logo.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Jul 12 15:16:44 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:16:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005101c6a600$dd56ec70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Are you trying to hint to Tommy that >the 2 cylinder Hagan is YOUR next engine? Oops, that was SUPPOSED to be offlist. And I thought you, Mike, were more of a gentleman than to eavesdrop on an obviously private communiqu?. But to answer your question, no. I suspect it would take quite a bit of finesse to talk Tommy into parting with that baby. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 12 15:31:28 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:31:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> References: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <44B57840.70009@scrtc.com> Dave, Since this will be a Class Action, here is what we can expect. If we can get a settlement of say, $1,000,000 and there are 300 class action members, each of you can expect about $3.33. The numbers add up like this: $1,000,000 (Settlement Amount) - 500,000 (Attorney's Fees) - 350,000 (Expert Testimony, Affidavits, Damage Appraisals, etc) - 100,000 (Service costs, filing fees, transcripts, etc) - 49,000 (Attorney's travel costs --- will have to attend shows, swaps, and rallies around the world in a PR effort to draw attention to the damage claim) - 1,000 (Amount due Class Action Litigants divided by 300 = $3.33 each) __________ $1,000,000 I could be wrong as the amount to be distributed to the Class Action members could be a little high in my estimate. Hopefully each won't owe money in the end. All of my numbers depend on one important fact, that we get a Federal Judge in our Class Action Suit that doesn't know the difference between a Steam Engine and a Gas Engine (the SEL Logo is a Gas Engine while those we claim an infringement against are using a Steam Engine). I'm excited and ready to proceed! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Yes, it is registered. I hold the copy rite of the SEL Logo! > Dave > PS, For those new LIST members w/out a clue see: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/atis_goodlogo.jpg and > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/SE_Logo.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 12 16:11:53 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:11:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <44B57840.70009@scrtc.com> References: <3c5.54ce7de.31e6b187@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060712165846.041ddd88@mail.alltel.net> <44B57840.70009@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44B581B9.6000101@scrtc.com> I made an error on my addition and subtraction as the bottom line would be zero and not $1,000,000. Also, remember that if the final settlement were to be say $2,000,000, just use the same percentages from the potential $1,000,000 settlement. In that scenario, each would get $6.66 or thereabout (possibly a bit less). Since Dave is the actual owner of the logo, I would think it a good gesture to give him two shares of the class payments. If this works out as envisioned, I will be purchasing several very nice hunks of iron over the next few years and will probably construct a building to hold a show at my place in the future. Each Class Action member would be invited and you could take your share of the settlement and purchase a gallon of gas to run your engine on at the show. Sorry, but I won't be furnishing gas as its too expensive...... Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Dave, > Since this will be a Class Action, here is what we can expect. If > we can get a settlement of say, $1,000,000 and there are 300 class > action members, each of you can expect about $3.33. The numbers add > up like this: > > $1,000,000 (Settlement Amount) > - 500,000 (Attorney's Fees) > - 350,000 (Expert Testimony, Affidavits, Damage Appraisals, etc) > - 100,000 (Service costs, filing fees, transcripts, etc) > - 49,000 (Attorney's travel costs --- will have to attend shows, > swaps, and rallies around the world in a PR > effort to draw attention to the damage claim) > - 1,000 (Amount due Class Action Litigants divided by 300 = > $3.33 each) > __________ > $1,000,000 > I could be wrong as the amount to be distributed to the Class > Action members could be a little high in my estimate. Hopefully each > won't owe money in the end. All of my numbers depend on one important > fact, that we get a Federal Judge in our Class Action Suit that > doesn't know the difference between a Steam Engine and a Gas Engine > (the SEL Logo is a Gas Engine while those we claim an infringement > against are using a Steam Engine). > > I'm excited and ready to proceed! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Yes, it is registered. I hold the copy rite of the SEL Logo! > >> Dave >> PS, For those new LIST members w/out a clue see: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/atis_goodlogo.jpg and >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/SE_Logo/SE_Logo.html >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 12 16:24:36 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:24:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine Message-ID: <004401c6a60a$583c52f0$8aec4c0c@D48VHZ61> Anyone belong to a club wanting a big steam engine? I know where one is sitting, disassembled. The flywheel is around 10 ft dia. It was originally installed as backup power at a hospital. I've tried to find local clubs interested but nobody wants it. I think the current owner is the state of NC, probably the department of education. I know its not a gas engine but I hate to see this thing turning into a bunch of new cars. If anyone is serious, contact me offlist and I'll tell you where it is and give you a couple of starter phone numbers to see how much of an ordeal purchasing it would be. John Hall From svsuzanne at copper.net Thu Jul 13 03:49:38 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:49:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine References: <004401c6a60a$583c52f0$8aec4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000c01c6a66a$0c6249b0$bda40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> John, can't find your off line address. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:24 PM Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine > > Anyone belong to a club wanting a big steam engine? I know where one is > sitting, disassembled. The flywheel is around 10 ft dia. It was originally > installed as backup power at a hospital. I've tried to find local clubs > interested but nobody wants it. I think the current owner is the state of > NC, probably the department of education. I know its not a gas engine but > I hate to see this thing turning into a bunch of new cars. > > > > If anyone is serious, contact me offlist and I'll tell you where it is and > give you a couple of starter phone numbers to see how much of an ordeal > purchasing it would be. > > John Hall > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/386 - Release Date: 7/12/2006 > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 13 05:42:11 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:42:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars Message-ID: Nice to know that these are alive and well.... My hometown...damn that would be fun!!! http://www.statesmanexaminer.com/ RickinMt. From oldironnut at alltel.net Thu Jul 13 06:20:04 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:20:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] offlist: Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <005101c6a600$dd56ec70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <005101c6a600$dd56ec70$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: > > Are you trying to hint to Tommy that >>the 2 cylinder Hagan is YOUR next engine? > >Oops, that was SUPPOSED to be offlist. That was your first mistake! > And I thought you, Mike, were more of a >gentleman than to eavesdrop on an >obviously private communiqu?. That was your second mistake! >But to answer your question, no. I suspect >it would take quite a bit of finesse to talk >Tommy into parting with that baby. At least you got that one right! See ya', Mike -- _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA _____________________ From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Jul 13 07:00:41 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:00:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Help save some Australian Heritage from idiots - Save steam locomotive 3801 & Eveleigh Workshops in NSW - your voice will help! Message-ID: <44B65209.4020707@steamengine.com.au> Absolutely no apologies for this OT post... Locomotive 3801 and its train of historic carriages have been maintained and operated for the past 20 years by the 3801 Limited company. The company was established to restore locomotive 3801 and support its operation for the enjoyment of the people of NSW. Prior to its restoration, locomotive 3801 was stored unused and rusting in a museum. In November this year, the lease of locomotive 3801 from the State Rail Authority will end and it is scheduled to be returned to the museum to face an uncertain future. 3801.s heritage carriages are to be listed for disposal by State Rail and the Redfern home of 3801, the historic 1880.s built Large Erecting Shop, is planned to be demolished to make way for new high rise development. 3801 Limited has requested the State Government to renew its lease of locomotive 3801 and save its historic home so it can continue to care for locomotive 3801 and operate heritage rail tours. 3801 Limited needs your help to petition the State Government to extend the lease of locomotive 3801, save the historic Large Erecting shop from demolition and secure the operating future of its heritage trains from Sydney to regional and country areas. Visit http://www.steamengine.com.au/railways/mainline/save3801/index.html for more information. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From mickdema at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 13:25:01 2006 From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Service for Ralph Waters - A Message from the Waters Family Message-ID: <20060713202501.16078.qmail@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Ralph's daughter Linda asked me to forward this message on to his friends in the engine community at this sad time. Mick ----------------- Thank you all for your prayers , love and concern for me and my family. In times like this, it is a blessing to be loved and cared for by so many wonderful people. Ralph was a wonderful man and was blessed to have so many wonderful friends and family. May all our wonderful stories of times with Ralph make this time easier and keep him close to us in our hearts. Mick or Bill, please forward this information onto Russ and the rest of Ralph's engine friends. (thank you - From Linda) thank you all God Bless Love Wanda, Linda, Sheri and their families wandawat at earthlink.net -------------- Ralph E. Waters, 68, of New Sharon, ME formerly of 39 Elm Rd, Cromwell, CT passed away surrounded by his loving family at the Central Maine Medical Center on July 9, 2006 after short illness. The comfort and love he received from his family those final days touched him deeply and made him feel so loved. Born Nov. 29, 1937 in Middletown, CT, the son of late Emerson Ralph and Ally Teresa (Duckworth) Waters. Predeceased by a sister, Julia Carroll. Ralph worked at Jackson Corrugated Container for 30 years retiring in 1995 and moved to Maine and wintered in Florida. Ralph was the founder and lifetime member of the Tobacco Valley Flywheelers Club of Cromwell, CT. He enjoyed attending gasoline engine and tractor shows, searching for that special engine or tractor to take home. He enjoyed keeping in contact with everyone, especially to call his friends with news of a tractor or engine he just bought. He was a man that was always there for his friends and family with words of strength, wisdom and encouragement. His strength and love will be forever missed. He leaves his wife and love of his life of 48 years, Wanda (Granat) Waters of New Sharon, ME, two precious loving daughters Sheri and Gary Taylor (of ME), and Linda and Al Koch (of CT). Loved very much by his precious niece Sheila and Bob Oates, 6 treasured and loving grandchildren Wanda and Philip Schiche, Kenny and Nicole Taylor, Kayce and Steven Koch, great-grandson Stephen Fulner, 2 cherished God Children, Marvin Foreman and Jenna Marzano, a very special cousin Richard Waters, mother-in-law Frances (Richards) Granat, brother-in-law Bror and Beverly Granat, 3 sister-in-laws Edna and Ward Halloway, Anita and Rick Bengtson, and Sonja and Paul Sousa (and so many other special cousins, family and friends). A funeral service will be held July 22nd at 11 am at the First Congregational Church, 355 Main St., Cromwell, burial at the Cromwell Cemetery will follow. In lieu of flowers please make donations to The Arbor House or Central Maine Medical Center, Comfort Care Department, (both are at) 300 Main St, Lewiston, ME. 04240 or your favorite charity in his memory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gauto527 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:58:26 2006 From: gauto527 at hotmail.com (george maattala) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] spam Message-ID: please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time enough is enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Jul 13 18:26:02 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:26:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars References: Message-ID: <009901c6a6e4$78c10db0$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Dontcha just luv em! Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars > Nice to know that these are alive and well.... > > My hometown...damn that would be fun!!! > > http://www.statesmanexaminer.com/ > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Jul 13 18:41:25 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:41:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060713213915.04270800@mail.alltel.net> At 07:58 PM 7/13/2006, you wrote: >please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time >enough is enough >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Hi George, Sorry, once you are on SEL there is no way to get off. Dave PS, Have a good day! From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 19:39:11 2006 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Rex's Baker monitor now has a Baker Pump Oh Yea ! In-Reply-To: <44A3E753.8070301@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060714023911.97944.qmail@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Curt, et.al., My apologies for not replying sooner. Been trying to get a bunch of stuff done for the club. There is nothing in the serial number list or the list of engineering changes about the exact engine number or date of the change from red to grey, but it took place at some point in 1917. I would guess that the reason that they didn't record the date of the change is because it had no impact on the repair parts end of things. The whole reason for those wonderfull little leather bound books that they recorded the engine changes in was so that they could supply you with parts that would fit your engine. There are several reasons why you see more red ball hoppers than grey. First, during the "red years", 1905 - 1917, the ball hopper engines (2, 4, 6 & 7 hp type VJ) were the most popular Monitors built. As time went on, the ball hoppers lost market share to the Little Monitor (1 1/4 VJ) and the 3 and 5 HJ. There is another reason why you see more red ball hopper engines, and that is because most folks prefer red to grey. I have 2 4 and 7 hp VJ's in grey and 2, 4 & 6 in red. The 6 & 7 are the same, but went through a re-rating in November of 1912. The Little Monitor (1 1/4 VJ) and the 3 hp HJ were the last engines built by Baker. The last price list I have showing them is from 1943, but they were available from the Kansas City branch house into the 1950's, being set together from parts. While the last entry in the serial number list is 44,000 in 1934, there were a lot of engines built after that point. I would imagine that they stopped recording the numbers because no one really cared, there was little chance of changes or improvements and hence no reason for records. There are an awful lot of little changes that were made to the engines over the years that were not recorded in the engineering change listings. My limited experience has been that every answer brings with it two more questions! The tin disc on the end of the crankshaft is to keep your shirt or jacket sleeve from getting caught in the key or the governor spring. It was added to the engines about the same time that the little guard appears over the gears on the back of the engine. I can't remember the date and my monitor book is awol. If there ever was a water hopper lid for the little monitor, there is no record of it that I can find. No listing in the repair parts lists, no existing blueprint. With that said, there is nothing to keep you from casting up a nice water hopper lid. If you wanted to make a pattern, I could lend you one off one of my big engines or send copies of the prints and you could scale it. Anyway, sorry for not replying sooner, not been checking email lately. Once I get the showbook off to the printer, I will catch up on mail. Joe --- Curt wrote: > Joe, > Please tell us more about red pear hoppered Baker Monitors! Any ball > hoppered Monitors I've seen in red and so far any pear hoppered Monitors > > I've only seen in grey. I just called sleepy teen Devin and went thru > the s/n list with him asking him to look for any clues about when there > was a color change on the pear hoppered engines. He didn't find a note > about it. > Have you narrowed down a year or s/n at which there was a color change? > > Interesting about the tin on the end of the crankshaft. Ours is afixed > to the flywheel and that is where it has stayed since the restoration. > But what you say makes perfect sense now that I think about it. If one > was to use it as a hopper cover, the condensation would run along the > inside and drip on the _outside_ of the hopper. The condensate would not > > run back in the hopper. Pretty keen sleuthing there Joe! > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Jul 13 20:33:47 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:33:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] spam Message-ID: <4c2.47ad25c.31e86a9b@aol.com> Hi Dave, I am glad it is you that is helping George. Others might not be so eager to step forward after he called our messages crap. I tried to help him off list by suggesting he go out the same door he came in, or words to that effect. Your reputation for compassion and caring precedes you and I now know that George is in good hands. Do you have any signs left? If so, do you think George (is that really his name?) would enjoy having one? Ron In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: At 07:58 PM 7/13/2006, you wrote: >please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time >enough is enough >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Hi George, Sorry, once you are on SEL there is no way to get off. Dave PS, Have a good day! -------------------------------1152848027 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dave,
I am glad it is you that is helping George.  Others might not be s= o=20 eager to step forward after he called our messages crap.  I tried=20= to=20 help him off list by suggesting he go out the same door he came in, or words= to=20 that effect. Your reputation for compassion and caring precedes you and= I=20 now know that George is in good hands. 
 
Do you have any signs left?  If so, do you think George (is that=20 really his name?) would enjoy having one?
Ron
 
In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 rotigel at alltel.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>At 07:58=20 PM 7/13/2006, you wrote:
>please stop sending me gas engine crap,177= =20 messages in my box this time
>enough is=20 enough
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!.

Hi=20 George, Sorry, once you are on SEL there is no way to get off.
 =20        Dave
PS, Have a good day! =20
 
From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Jul 13 20:35:46 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:35:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] spam References: Message-ID: <008801c6a6f6$9833e020$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi George, The only way to get off is to shoot yourself. Do you have any good engines? To show what really nice people we are a big bunch of us will come to the sale. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "george maattala" To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: [SEL] spam please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time enough is enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jul 14 00:33:26 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:03:26 +0930 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday to Fred :-) Message-ID: <000701c6a717$cc26a950$92cca03a@chaos> Born 14 July 1857; died 26 Mar 1937. In 1893 Frederick Louis Maytag contributed $600 with three other men to start a farm implement company. The company produced threshing machine, band-cutter and self-feeder attachments invented by one of the founders of the company. Operations were housed in a abandoned, 30' by 40' stove works in Newton, Iowa. The first Maytag washing machine was built in 1907 as a sideline to the farm equipment line. It was intended that this product would solve seasonal slumps in the farm equipment business and fill the need for a home washing machine. From today in science history website . http://www.todayinsci.com/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 13 15:56:23 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:56:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine References: <004401c6a60a$583c52f0$8aec4c0c@D48VHZ61> <000c01c6a66a$0c6249b0$bda40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> Message-ID: <004e01c6a6cf$91cd9bd0$a2ea4c0c@D48VHZ61> Sorry, forgot to include it in the post. jthall at worldnet.att.net John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] BIG Steam Engine > John, can't find your off line address. > ----- Original Message ----- From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Jul 14 05:24:49 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:24:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <432.5613680.31e6b0b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c6a740$801d30a0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Tom i,say it would weigh about 1/2 a ton or so regards Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:07:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > brock at netspeed.com.au writes: > > << A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine >> > > Brock, > > Nice find! What does that baby weigh? It sure looks massive! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Jul 14 05:30:57 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:30:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <001901c6a5a8$3d9f80f0$5f11fea9@merlin> <000301c6a5b0$ae4f5660$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <00c601c6a741$5bcb49c0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Dave about 20 km from were i got this engine from theres a 12 hp tangye in a woolshed & and on the farm next door there was 3hp blackstone until last year when a club member recoverd it Regards Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "oldengine .org" ; "'The SEL email > discussion list'" > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:42 PM > Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > > > G,day All > A few weeks ago i picked up a 3 hp Tangye Oil Engine , the engine has > not been used since 1934 when it was replaced with a 5 hp lister diesel > the engine was in fairly good condition being in a shed all its life any > way after a good clean down it did not take much to get it to get it going > it ran very well considering the last time it was going was 1934 i have > put a few pics on my webshots page > Brock Summerfield > > Hi Brock, I wish you Aussies wouldn't keep showing us how many > Desirable English engines you have when they are as rare as rocking > horse sh!t over here. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Jul 14 05:50:55 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:50:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids Message-ID: Howdy all; Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag RickinMt. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 14 07:15:42 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:15:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine In-Reply-To: <00c601c6a741$5bcb49c0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <01aa01c6a750$001b4fd0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > G,day Dave > about 20 km from were i got this engine from theres a 12 hp > tangye in a > woolshed & and on the farm next door there was 3hp blackstone > until last > year when a club member recoverd it > Regards Brock Hey Brock. It's now Saturday morning in Oz. Will you be spending the weekend recovering the big Tangye? The little one is so sweet, they'd look good paired up in your garage. Rob From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Jul 14 09:11:59 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:11:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids References: Message-ID: <000c01c6a760$3d7ae100$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Rick, If nobody comes through for you I scan 3 or 4 pages of the dimensions etc. or just give you the dimensions.that you can't make out. Charlie Bryant Jay, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: [SEL] "M" skids > Howdy all; > > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg > > Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/06 > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Jul 14 10:35:14 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:35:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <200607141600.k6EG03nx031920@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060714192622.025e5ab0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 14/07/2006, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:26 +0000 >From: "george maattala" >Subject: [SEL] spam >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this time >enough is enough >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Lucky Bugger, I love SEL and the most I ever get (SEL Digest) is 15 to 20 messages a day. Am I missing something??? Maybe someone should point out to him that there is an "Unsubscribe" link on every post - but maybe it does not work if you put nasty stuff in the message - !!! - Did anyone care to count how many of those exclamation marks he put after the message - (maybe 177). I know that I sometimes go overboard with the exclamation marks (it should only ever be one) but the best I have managed is 3. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 14 14:16:47 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:16:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <172b60c09bc5a9a3e35eed156b4afa25@chartertn.net> Most people can at least get themselves off by hand, but maybe not this one... On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:58 PM, george maattala wrote: > please stop sending me gas engine crap,177 messages in my box this > time enough is enough > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Jul 14 14:17:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:17:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] happy birthday to Fred :-) In-Reply-To: <000701c6a717$cc26a950$92cca03a@chaos> References: <000701c6a717$cc26a950$92cca03a@chaos> Message-ID: And a happy Bastille Day to everyone! :-D John On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:33 AM, derek wrote: > Born 14 July 1857; died 26 Mar 1937. > In 1893 Frederick Louis Maytag John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustyiron at bigpond.com Fri Jul 14 19:42:34 2006 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:42:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids References: Message-ID: <002d01c6a7b8$53f34230$25a98b90@Andy> Hi Arnie. Any chance of getting a copy as well??? Andy Weipa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: [SEL] "M" skids > Howdy all; > > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg > > Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Jul 14 20:19:55 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:19:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <172b60c09bc5a9a3e35eed156b4afa25@chartertn.net> References: <172b60c09bc5a9a3e35eed156b4afa25@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060714231859.040e5ee8@mail.alltel.net> At 05:16 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote: >Most people can at least get themselves off by hand, but maybe not this >one... >John Culp John, PLEASE, this is a family oriented List! Dave From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Fri Jul 14 21:35:06 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:35:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060714231859.040e5ee8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c6a7c8$0dafca40$a7b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] spam At 05:16 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote: >Most people can at least get themselves off by hand, but maybe not this >one... >John Culp John, PLEASE, this is a family oriented List! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Jul 14 22:05:37 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:05:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] spam Message-ID: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> Hi Lyle, Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach again, this time in humility. Ron As you sow, so shall you reap. In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -------------------------------1152939937 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lyle,
Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he would have received help.  It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and approach again, this time in humility.
 
Ron
 
As you sow, so shall you reap. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help=20 him
understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him.
Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 proceed
in unsubscribing. Just my two cents.

Lyle Myles

= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord=20 has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold!
 
From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 15 03:44:46 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:44:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> References: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060715064148.037edaa0@mail.alltel.net> "Repent?" Now there is a good idea! And remember the first thing you must do to be forgiven for your sins is to sin! Dave PS, Perhaps doG can help this poor soul! At 01:05 AM 7/15/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would >have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach >again, >this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: > >Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-------------------------------1152939937 >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he >would have received help. It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and >approach again, this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: ><= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial >color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact >someone off list to help=20 him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 >proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the >Lord=20 has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold! > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Sat Jul 15 04:36:49 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:36:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Yes he did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope with the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still receiving e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeling and strong convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause problems. Again if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note for help and I'm sure someone will help you if you are sincere. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:06 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] spam Hi Lyle, Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach again, this time in humility. Ron As you sow, so shall you reap. In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -------------------------------1152939937 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lyle,
Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he would have received help.  It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and approach again, this time in humility.
 
Ron
 
As you sow, so shall you reap. 
 
 
In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help=20 him
understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him.
Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 proceed
in unsubscribing. Just my two cents.

Lyle Myles

= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord=20 has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold!
 
_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Jul 15 05:42:29 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:42:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine References: <01aa01c6a750$001b4fd0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <00b101c6a80c$241fde20$5f11fea9@merlin> i,d like to get the 12 hp but they dont want to part with it yet one day i hope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] New toy tangye oil engine > >> G,day Dave >> about 20 km from were i got this engine from theres a 12 > hp >> tangye in a >> woolshed & and on the farm next door there was 3hp > blackstone >> until last >> year when a club member recoverd it >> Regards Brock > > Hey Brock. It's now Saturday morning in Oz. > Will you be spending the weekend recovering > the big Tangye? > > The little one is so sweet, they'd look good > paired up in your garage. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Jul 15 08:23:30 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:23:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? Message-ID: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Hi Lyle, I am sure you are correct. On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get gasoline that does not contain alcohol. Is anyone running the ethanol blend in their stationary engine? What are the results? Ron The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made. _Jean Giraudoux_ (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Jean_Giraudoux/) French diplomat, dramatist, & novelist (1882 - 1944) In a message dated 7/15/2006 6:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: Yes he did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope with the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still receiving e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeling and strong convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause problems. Again if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note for help and I'm sure someone will help you if you are sincere. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -------------------------------1152977010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lyle,
I am sure you are correct. 
 
On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get gasol= ine=20 that does not contain alcohol.  Is anyone running the ethanol blend in=20 their stationary engine?  What are the results?
 
Ron
The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it= =20 made.=20
Jean=20 Giraudoux
French diplomat, dramatist, & novelist (1882 -=20 1944)
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2006 6:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Yes he=20 did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope
wit= h=20 the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still=20 receiving
e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeli= ng=20 and strong
convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause=20 problems. Again
if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note= for=20 help and I'm
sure someone will help you if you are sincere. =20

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this=20 beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy= and=20 behold!
 
From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Jul 15 08:56:02 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:56:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <023401c6a827$2dc9d230$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Verily, our brother seeketh guidance in casting the burdensome coils of membership in our upstanding group. His plight be not unlike the Trials of Pig, of which you can read in Pearls 7:15. http://tinyurl.com/q7y7s Peace be the journey. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 15 10:28:40 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:28:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Steam Power and the Digital Revolution In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060712101227.041ebcb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1152984520.44b925c84c896@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Dolly, You should send him one of the SEL stickers!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Rotigel : > See: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1817636,00.html From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jul 15 10:57:07 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:57:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? In-Reply-To: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> References: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Message-ID: > On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get > gasoline > that does not contain alcohol. Is anyone running the ethanol blend in > their > stationary engine? What are the results? I've run it in mine. Never could tell any difference with the 10% stuff. E85 could be a different story. But even the 10% stuff is risky with premixed gas/oil blends, which will separate if the alcohol attracts a bit of moisture. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 15 11:10:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:10:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? References: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Message-ID: John..would the alcohol react with any metals such as brass, copper, bronze and such....as found in Carb. floats and such? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] spam...ethanol? > > On engine matters, I am finding it more and more difficult to get > > gasoline > > that does not contain alcohol. Is anyone running the ethanol blend in > > their > > stationary engine? What are the results? > > I've run it in mine. Never could tell any difference with the 10% > stuff. E85 could be a different story. But even the 10% stuff is risky > with premixed gas/oil blends, which will separate if the alcohol > attracts a bit of moisture. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jul 15 12:16:31 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:16:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152990991.44b93f0f16ff6@webmail.city-net.com> Rick, Would it help if I scanned those pages and emailed 'em to ya or FTP'ed 'em to oldengine? Be warned, my originals have dirt smudges, beer stains, etc. See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids for > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Jul 15 12:48:58 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:48:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam...ethanol? In-Reply-To: References: <491.6046a0d.31ea6272@aol.com> Message-ID: <3e733f4084a0a30f1225b22dbbb8fccc@chartertn.net> Ethanol won't. Methanol is more of a problem, and it's found commonly in gasoline with no notice on it. John On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > John..would the alcohol react with any metals such as brass, copper, > bronze > and such....as found in Carb. floats and such? > > Rick John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ELIDAS at aol.com Sat Jul 15 18:32:59 2006 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:32:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re FATG question Message-ID: <4f3.33e3db1.31eaf14b@aol.com> Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24 (10) tire for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could REALLY use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA Mike Semanoff. -------------------------------1153013579 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24=20= (10)=20 tire for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could RE= ALLY=20 use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA
 Mike Semanoff.
From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Jul 15 18:41:36 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:41:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] "M" skids References: <000c01c6a760$3d7ae100$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: Thanks Charlie and Arnie...did it for a friend..He said he can make out the numbers. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] "M" skids > Rick, > > If nobody comes through for you I scan 3 or 4 pages of > the dimensions etc. or just give you the dimensions.that you can't make > out. > > Charlie Bryant > Jay, Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:50 AM > Subject: [SEL] "M" skids > > > > Howdy all; > > > > Arnie or ?..would you please clear up the dimensions on the skids > > for > > 1.5 & 3HP "M" types. I can't make them out very well. > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/1.5&3Mcartfile/plate1.jpg > > > > Thanks in advance!!!! This pretty much sums it up!!! > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2964228250039077051XTXnag > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/06 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 15 19:51:41 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:51:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] spam In-Reply-To: <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <573.1f4d505.31e9d1a1@aol.com> <000201c6a802$f7601cf0$75b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060715224811.03860818@mail.alltel.net> Good doG Lyle, Why in the hell don't you post to this guy and tell him how to unsubscribe? Wouldn't that make his day a beautiful one that "the Lord has given...?" Dave At 07:36 AM 7/15/2006, you wrote: >Yes he did do his thing in the wrong way but again not all people can cope >with the way e-mails are handled and if this gentleman is still receiving >e-mails from the list and would understand that we have feeling and strong >convictions for the list that we are here to help not cause problems. Again >if this gentleman is receiving e-mails just post a note for help and I'm >sure someone will help you if you are sincere. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >MaytagTwin at aol.com >Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:06 AM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] spam > > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I expect he would >have received help. It is not too late for him to repent and approach >again, >this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: > >Someone should ask this gentleman to contact someone off list to help him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun of him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how to proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-------------------------------1152939937 >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >Hi Lyle, >Had he not been obnoxious in his demand to be relieved, I=20 expect he >would have received help. It is not too late for him to= =20 repent and >approach again, this time in humility. > >Ron > >As you sow, so shall you reap. > > >In a message dated 7/14/2006 11:37:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 >lyle45859 at peoplepc.com writes: ><= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial >color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Someone=20 should ask this gentleman to contact >someone off list to help=20 him >understand how to unsubscribe from the list instead of making fun o= f=20 him. >Not every one is computer literate and he may not understand how t= o=20 >proceed >in unsubscribing. Just my two cents. > >Lyle Myles > >= May=20 the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the >Lord=20 has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and=20 behold! > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 16 08:05:56 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:05:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars Message-ID: <483.5f6644f.31ebafd4@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << that would be fun!!! >> Rick, What a great way to see the country!!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From nick at holden1.net Sun Jul 16 03:13:19 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:13:19 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2007 Message-ID: <44BA113F.000003.03936@YOUR-447023AE6B> Yes I know it's early But can anyone tell me how to get an entry form for Nuenen show next year As I am starting to plan the trip now as a holiday Thanks Nick Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jul 16 14:10:34 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:10:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] neunen 2007 Message-ID: <000a01c6a91c$494adfe0$c762e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Nick, There is no entry forms for neunen. All you have to do is email Walter .v. Gulik ( wout.v.gulik at zonnet.nl ) with your entry. On the Sunday night of the show there is a buffet meal places for this must be booked in advance , hope this is of some help to you, Craig in sunny Scotland From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Jul 16 19:15:17 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:15:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Speeder cars References: <483.5f6644f.31ebafd4@aol.com> Message-ID: Yea..fer sure Tom..fellow ole iron nut just spotted an "M" from an ole tour train. Went back..he won't sell Imagine the possibilites!!! finding the good stuff??? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Speeder cars > In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << that would be fun!!! >> > > > Rick, > > What a great way to see the country!!! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 10:16:42 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:16:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Re FATG question (ELIDAS@aol.com) In-Reply-To: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: > 6. Re FATG question (ELIDAS at aol.com) >>Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:32:59 EDT >From: ELIDAS at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Re FATG question >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <4f3.33e3db1.31eaf14b at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24 (10) tire >for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could REALLY >use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA > Mike Semanoff. Mike that tire will work OK. The big problem would be if they were different heights. If one tire is shorter than the other it will be like you are always turning a corner and it may cause excessive wear on the differential. From nick at holden1.net Mon Jul 17 11:18:39 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:18:39 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] neunen 2007 References: <000a01c6a91c$494adfe0$c762e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <44BBD47F.000001.03676@YOUR-447023AE6B> Thanks Craig -------Original Message------- From: craig morrison Date: 07/16/06 22:37:19 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] neunen 2007 Hi Nick, There is no entry forms for neunen. All you have to do is email Walter .v. Gulik ( wout.v.gulik at zonnet.nl ) with your entry. On the Sunday night of the show there is a buffet meal places for this must be booked in advance , hope this is of some help to you, Craig in sunny Scotland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 17 17:04:21 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:04:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] old notice Message-ID: <006601c6a9fd$ba2450c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I recently had delivery of the GEM back issue discs. I came across this snippet in the 1st year of publication. (I wonder if they realised what it would become?) NOTICE NEW CLUB On January 30, 1966 a meeting was held in Portland, Indiana with 15 interested men attending to organize a new gasoline engine and tractor club which is to be called the Tri-State Gasoline Engine and Tractor Association. Anyone wishing to obtain membership may do so by writing Morris Titus, R. R. 2, Pendleton, Indiana 46064. Those owning gas engines or tractors may obtain active membership. Dues are $2.00. Those not owning gas engines or tractors may obtain associate membership. Dues $1.00. Please support this new club and help the interest and preservation of gasoline and tractors grow. Woody Turner, Pres. Morris Titus, Sec.-Treas. R. D. 2, Pendleton, Ind. 46064 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 17 21:35:04 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:35:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Re FATG question (ELIDAS@aol.com) In-Reply-To: References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> At 01:16 PM 7/17/2006, you wrote: >> 6. Re FATG question (ELIDAS at aol.com) >>>Message: 6 >>Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:32:59 EDT >>From: ELIDAS at aol.com >>Subject: [SEL] Re FATG question >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Message-ID: <4f3.33e3db1.31eaf14b at aol.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>Any reason I couldn't use a 9.5 x 24 (8) in place of a 11.2 x 24 (10) tire >>for a short time? I had a tire disintegrate this afternoon and could REALLY >>use the tractor tomorrow. It's a Case VA >> Mike Semanoff. >Mike that tire will work OK. The big problem would be if they were >different heights. If one tire is shorter than the other it will be like >you are always turning a corner and it may cause excessive wear on the >differential. If he puts the smaller one on the left side he could play NASCAR. Never have figured out why someone would make only left hand turns all day and then PRETEND that it was some kind of SPORT! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 17 21:54:33 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:54:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Re FATG question (ELIDAS@aol.com) References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A lot more interesting when they try to turn right!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" . Never > have figured out why someone would make only left hand turns all day and > then PRETEND that it was some kind of SPORT! > Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Jul 18 05:24:41 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Boring for most I'm sure, but just got back from Waukee......... and thanks to a tip or two from a list member, I decided the Alamo 2 was about right speed and pulley size to run my hacksaw (the lighter, easier to move Marvel drawcut #1 as opposed to the #2 I got from Arnie that takes 2 good men to just move it) I belted it up, assuming a bit that the proper pulley rotation direction should be top of pulley toward back of saw, and let the engine idle all weekend, popping in the clutch now and then to let people see it cutting steel rods, and showing how when it finished, it kicked itself out of gear. The h&m Alamo was a tad less than even for cutting, but the engine idles so smoothly and evenly it wasn't TOO noticable, and I'm afraid a faster throttle-governed engine may have been a bit too fast for a good display. The FM w/mudpump ran well all weekend, stopping twice when my brazing rod contact broke due to metal fatigue. Still need to find a GOOD mag person to work on the AB33 for that beast. People loved watching the water shoot out from a 3" pipe........ and tried to figure how much it could move in an hour. I only took 3 engines, as opposed to the 5 or 6 I usually take - hot, and simply too much going on with the car restoration, etc. The third, the Lindsay-Alamo, was on squirrelcage duty all weekend................. The Chapman 2 took a break and stayed home this time. The JD A machinegun tractors were a sight! They are reproductions of the rigs JD submitted to uncle sam for military use, but they proved to be too heavy and too difficult to maneuver, or for whatever reason, never made it into production. I can imaging the poor driver and machine gun operators in those steel armor cages in heat like we had. What a site! The first submitted was a narrow front, the armor doubled the weight of the tractor - to the point that if the front wheels dropped into a rut, it was literally not possible to steer or move the tractor. Inmagine a JD A tracor that weighed over 9,000 pounds (and a machine gun on each side!). the second attempt was a wide front end which worked better, but the drivers field of vision was pretty narrow. It, too, never made it to production. I've got some great photos. The slowest engines (that I found, anyway) - a 2-stroker running about 44 RPM and a 4-stroker running at 36 rpm. There was also an Oliver with a factory road grader attachment on it that got a lot of attention. The corn for the sweet corn feed was once again steamed by traction engine - this time a Russel. The show on Saturday was actually a bit larger than last year despite the heat index of over 100. The ultralight rides were not offered this year, bummer! Bill Runnells, IA From oldengin at verizon.net Tue Jul 18 18:14:00 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:14:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] old notice References: <006601c6a9fd$ba2450c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001101c6aad0$9f29bcf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Reg,,, I know both these boys.................. What does that mean? Leroy ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: [SEL] old notice >I recently had delivery of the GEM back issue discs. > I came across this snippet in the 1st year of publication. (I wonder if > they realised what it would become?) > > NOTICE NEW CLUB On January 30, 1966 a meeting was held in Portland, > Indiana with 15 interested men attending to organize a new gasoline engine > and tractor club which is to be called the Tri-State Gasoline Engine and > Tractor Association. Anyone wishing to obtain membership may do so by > writing Morris Titus, R. R. 2, Pendleton, Indiana 46064. Those owning gas > engines or tractors may obtain active membership. Dues are $2.00. Those > not owning gas engines or tractors may obtain associate membership. Dues > $1.00. Please support this new club and help the interest and preservation > of gasoline and tractors grow. Woody Turner, Pres. Morris Titus, > Sec.-Treas. R. D. 2, Pendleton, Ind. 46064 > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Jul 18 19:37:06 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> Hey Bill, If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. Thanks, Duncan bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Boring for most I'm sure, but just got back from Waukee......... and >thanks to a tip or two from a list member, I decided the Alamo 2 was about >right speed and pulley size to run my hacksaw (the lighter, easier to move >Marvel drawcut #1 as opposed to the #2 I got from Arnie that takes 2 good >men to just move it) >I belted it up, assuming a bit that the proper pulley rotation direction >should be top of pulley toward back of saw, and let the engine idle all >weekend, popping in the clutch now and then to let people see it cutting >steel rods, and showing how when it finished, it kicked itself out of >gear. >The h&m Alamo was a tad less than even for cutting, but the engine idles >so smoothly and evenly it wasn't TOO noticable, and I'm afraid a faster >throttle-governed engine may have been a bit too fast for a good display. > >The FM w/mudpump ran well all weekend, stopping twice when my brazing rod >contact broke due to metal fatigue. >Still need to find a GOOD mag person to work on the AB33 for that beast. >People loved watching the water shoot out from a 3" pipe........ and >tried to figure how much it could move in an hour. > >I only took 3 engines, as opposed to the 5 or 6 I usually take - hot, and >simply too much going on with the car restoration, etc. The third, the >Lindsay-Alamo, was on squirrelcage duty all weekend................. >The Chapman 2 took a break and stayed home this time. > >The JD A machinegun tractors were a sight! They are reproductions of the >rigs JD submitted to uncle sam for military use, but they proved to be too >heavy and too difficult to maneuver, or for whatever reason, never made it >into production. I can imaging the poor driver and machine gun operators >in those steel armor cages in heat like we had. What a site! The first >submitted was a narrow front, the armor doubled the weight of the tractor >- to the point that if the front wheels dropped into a rut, it was >literally not possible to steer or move the tractor. Inmagine a JD A >tracor that weighed over 9,000 pounds (and a machine gun on each side!). >the second attempt was a wide front end which worked better, but the >drivers field of vision was pretty narrow. It, too, never made it to >production. >I've got some great photos. >The slowest engines (that I found, anyway) - a 2-stroker running about 44 >RPM and a 4-stroker running at 36 rpm. >There was also an Oliver with a factory road grader attachment on it that >got a lot of attention. >The corn for the sweet corn feed was once again steamed by traction engine >- this time a Russel. > >The show on Saturday was actually a bit larger than last year despite the >heat index of over 100. The ultralight rides were not offered this year, >bummer! > >Bill >Runnells, IA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jul 19 05:26:17 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <1561.165.206.180.117.1153311977.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have not looked at all the pics I took - digital camera - but should have some good ones, especially showing the JD tractor peeking out from under the armor at the rear. What I'll probably do is post a bunch to my web site, then provide links to the full-size originals for those who want. OT - an email address of 032214 at heavyiron.atis.net should scan their computer - NETSKY worm. I suspect that address was SPOOFED and it did not really come from them but instead a 3rd party that has both that address and my email on the infected computer and used their address to spoof a message to me, but it's good to check anyway. Somewhere along the line, a computer that has my email address anywhere on it, via web cache, list messages, whatever, and has the above address is infected, netsky is old and easy to catch, but only if running antivirus software so I guess this is just a reminder as you may also be getting messages from the computer, at this point unknown - that is infected. Bill > Hey Bill, > > If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly > appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. > > Thanks, > Duncan > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>Boring for most I'm sure, but just got back from Waukee......... and >>thanks to a tip or two from a list member, I decided the Alamo 2 was >> about >>right speed and pulley size to run my hacksaw (the lighter, easier to >> move >>Marvel drawcut #1 as opposed to the #2 I got from Arnie that takes 2 good >>men to just move it) >>I belted it up, assuming a bit that the proper pulley rotation direction >>should be top of pulley toward back of saw, and let the engine idle all >>weekend, popping in the clutch now and then to let people see it cutting >>steel rods, and showing how when it finished, it kicked itself out of >>gear. >>The h&m Alamo was a tad less than even for cutting, but the engine idles >>so smoothly and evenly it wasn't TOO noticable, and I'm afraid a faster >>throttle-governed engine may have been a bit too fast for a good display. >> >>The FM w/mudpump ran well all weekend, stopping twice when my brazing rod >>contact broke due to metal fatigue. >>Still need to find a GOOD mag person to work on the AB33 for that beast. >>People loved watching the water shoot out from a 3" pipe........ and >>tried to figure how much it could move in an hour. >> >>I only took 3 engines, as opposed to the 5 or 6 I usually take - hot, and >>simply too much going on with the car restoration, etc. The third, the >>Lindsay-Alamo, was on squirrelcage duty all weekend................. >>The Chapman 2 took a break and stayed home this time. >> >>The JD A machinegun tractors were a sight! They are reproductions of the >>rigs JD submitted to uncle sam for military use, but they proved to be >> too >>heavy and too difficult to maneuver, or for whatever reason, never made >> it >>into production. I can imaging the poor driver and machine gun operators >>in those steel armor cages in heat like we had. What a site! The first >>submitted was a narrow front, the armor doubled the weight of the tractor >>- to the point that if the front wheels dropped into a rut, it was >>literally not possible to steer or move the tractor. Inmagine a JD A >>tracor that weighed over 9,000 pounds (and a machine gun on each side!). >>the second attempt was a wide front end which worked better, but the >>drivers field of vision was pretty narrow. It, too, never made it to >>production. >>I've got some great photos. >>The slowest engines (that I found, anyway) - a 2-stroker running about 44 >>RPM and a 4-stroker running at 36 rpm. >>There was also an Oliver with a factory road grader attachment on it that >>got a lot of attention. >>The corn for the sweet corn feed was once again steamed by traction >> engine >>- this time a Russel. >> >>The show on Saturday was actually a bit larger than last year despite the >>heat index of over 100. The ultralight rides were not offered this year, >>bummer! >> >>Bill >>Runnells, IA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rsrolfne at atnet.net Wed Jul 19 09:55:15 2006 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book Message-ID: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request the total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received an answer. Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the hobby on the west coast of the USA. Is there a USA source for the Stationary Engine Books? Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his mail? Hope he is in good health. How is the LISTER CS book? Thanks Regards, Bob R. Mose Lake, WA. USA From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Jul 19 10:38:25 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:38:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book In-Reply-To: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Message-ID: <045101c6ab5a$2367cf50$8335c53e@doc> I can reassure you that David Edgington exists and answers his email too! The cost of the Lister CS Story is ?12 including postage in the UK, so I guess you could figure around $30 once you factor in airmail. The book is brand-new within the last two weeks (6 July) and I have yet to see a copy myself. As far as I know, David is well. He can be reached at enginbooks at aol.com (that's right, no 'e'), or I can pass a message if there is a mail problem? Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Bob W7AVK > Sent: 19 July 2006 17:55 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book > > Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion > called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site > http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to > request the > total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago > requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received > an answer. > > Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the > hobby on the > west coast of the USA. Is there a USA source for the > Stationary Engine > Books? Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his > mail? Hope he is in good health. How is the LISTER CS book? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Bob R. > Mose Lake, WA. USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Jul 19 11:29:53 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:29:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book In-Reply-To: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> References: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Message-ID: <44BE7A21.7040609@semidiesel.com> Bob W7AVK wrote: > Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion > called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site > http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request > the total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago > requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received an answer. Hi, We stock all Davids books in the museum shop, have some signed copies of the CS book in at the normal price ?12. We can take PayPal and the profits go to the museum! We hope to get the Online Shop sorted in the very near future and get everything listed. CS book is excellent. Cheers Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 13/07/2006 From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Jul 19 15:55:35 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <44BE63F3.7090103@atnet.net> Message-ID: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show this weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Jul 19 16:50:45 2006 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:50:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c6ab8e$27c0cb90$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Steve, take lots of pictues! Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Barr Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show this weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. Steve ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 19 17:54:30 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060719225535.9024.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44BED446.9070903@scrtc.com> Steve, I'd love to be there but not enough time, $$$, etc to make it. I've been to John Tysse's place several times and the show grounds joins his property. I know its a dandy, especially if you like the big tractors. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show this >weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making >the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. > >Steve > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jul 19 17:56:59 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:56:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <000001c6ab8e$27c0cb90$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <000001c6ab8e$27c0cb90$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <44BED4DB.90800@scrtc.com> Right Wayne. And Steve's the best at the show reports. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Steve, take lots of pictues! > >Wayne A Thackery >Keizer, Oregon > > > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Jul 20 01:30:38 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:30:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington and the Lister CS Story Message-ID: <04a801c6abd6$c7ec21d0$8335c53e@doc> David Edgington has just mailed me in response to Bob Rolfness's email: "Greetings from a very hot UK!!! I was sad to read that you did not hear from me but the reason is I never received your email. Since my book can out 10 days ago I've received about 60 emails a day and I've sat in from of my computer most of each day. I have sent over 20 books to the US so far, I'll be glad to mail you a copy. Incidentally my website is www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk so you can see the book and what I look like, you'll see I do exist!! Really nice to make contact, I can send you a Paypal invoice if you like, just let me know, the price post paid to you is ?15-50p GBPs which is about 28-59 US. Best regards, David" David Edgington can be reached at enginbooks at aol.com (there really isn't a second 'e' in 'engin'). Pete -- Peter Scales From dleis at centurytel.net Thu Jul 20 07:15:07 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:15:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing Message-ID: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jul 20 05:36:42 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... In-Reply-To: <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <3179.165.206.180.117.1153399002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Here's links to slightly scaled-down images. If someone wants, I can try to email the larger originals http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-013.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-014.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-015.jpg http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-016.jpg The originals are about 1 meg each. I think 2000x??? in size. Or feel free to DL and save the above. Use them as you need. I will probably put them on my web pages, but feel free to do the same or whatever. Bill > Hey Bill, > > If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly > appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. > > Thanks, > Duncan > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Jul 20 05:46:45 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:46:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> <3179.165.206.180.117.1153399002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time Bill. Very interesting iron!!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo powered hacksaw....... > Here's links to slightly scaled-down images. > If someone wants, I can try to email the larger originals > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-013.jpg > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-014.jpg > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-015.jpg > > http://antique-engines.com/images/jd-military-016.jpg > > The originals are about 1 meg each. I think 2000x??? in size. > Or feel free to DL and save the above. Use them as you need. I will > probably put them on my web pages, but feel free to do the same or > whatever. > > > Bill > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > If you have pics of those machine gun tractors, I would certainly > > appreciate a copy of them if you don't mind. > > > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 20 06:29:55 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:29:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <000901c6ac00$97c16810$3ac10b52@no1> Try Webshots. A lot of people find the free service is good enough. I and many others use the large paid for service. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacy Leis" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jul 20 11:22:15 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:22:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book In-Reply-To: <200607201600.k6KG03we027389@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Bob, I posted to this list about 10 days ago that this book was available so maybe you responded to that. If David did not answer your mail then there can be only one reason - he never got it! Maybe you made the same mistake I once made - his address is: as mentioned by Peter Scales "there is no "e" between engin and books". He usually answers his mail within hours - no matter how involved your query might be (and, by the way it is answered by him personally - no secretaries , no auto response, no nonsense). He does exist and is alive and well - I've had correspondence with him today. You could not wish to deal with a better person - his integrity and service is without equal and his books are excellent. Please do yourself a favour and get his books - either from him direct or from Paul Evans (Internal Fire Museum also needs funds and I'm sure David will not begrudge the museum it's bit of profit). That's all from me tonight! Keep well, Jerry Evans (South Africa) At 06:00 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:15 -0700 >From: Bob W7AVK >Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <44BE63F3.7090103 at atnet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion >called THE LISTER CS STORY. The instructions at the web site >http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request the >total costs and place an order. I sent an mail several days ago >requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc. I've not received an answer. > >Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the hobby on the >west coast of the USA. Is there a USA source for the Stationary Engine >Books? Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his >mail? Hope he is in good health. How is the LISTER CS book? > >Thanks > >Regards, > >Bob R. >Mose Lake, WA. USA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 20 14:34:47 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:34:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing In-Reply-To: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> I've started using Photobucket. Works well. John On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Stacy Leis wrote: > > > > > > Hi List > > what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you > for the help > > Stacy John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 20 16:15:18 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:15:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Stacy Leis wrote: Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy I've started using Photobucket. Works well. John Culp Hi John, can you post one so we can compare? Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengin at verizon.net Thu Jul 20 16:43:14 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:43:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Grandpa's Castings References: <200607161600.k6GG05Sd003799@heavyiron.atis.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060718003228.0370ca18@mail.alltel.net> <010701c6aa26$467093e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4032.165.206.180.117.1153225481.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <44BD9AD2.3060201@wightman.ca> <3179.165.206.180.117.1153399002.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <009d01c6ac56$45b25d80$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Well everyone probably knows by now that Curt has finished the flywheel patterns and they look good! Now I just got off the telly with John Glassford ( Grandpas Casting) and he will do a pour for us on the Tuesday before the Portland show at around 4:30 pm..... Now some of this is weather pemitting and not 100+...... You will need about 3 things 1) long pants for the event 2) toed shoes, no flip flops, (as Rob would call them THONGS) 3) a return to me that you are planning on attending the pour. John is up the road from the show only 10 minutes, and looking forward to seeing us Thanks Leroy From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Jul 20 16:47:01 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:47:01 -0400 Subject: Spam/Phish> Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing In-Reply-To: <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: OK. Picture's a picture. Photobucket - Video and Image  
Hosting http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/SlidePicker/JohnnyWinter4.jpg On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Hi John, can you post one so we can compare? > Dave Croft John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Jul 20 16:51:02 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:51:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] on-line photo sharing References: <002901c6ac06$e78b86e0$0501a8c0@computer> <5b1fde1e2b90036b8a609584cd1670e8@chartertn.net> <00aa01c6ac52$5f2df160$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <004801c6ac57$5c9998a0$437da418@pengy> I use webshots and the cost is around $30 a year. For that I can place up to 5,000 photos online of which I have almost 2,000 already. Its the best deal in the world! http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] on-line photo sharing > On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Stacy Leis wrote: > Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for > the help Stacy > > I've started using Photobucket. Works well. > John Culp > > Hi John, can you post one so we can compare? > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Jul 21 10:30:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:30:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Grandpa's Castings In-Reply-To: <009d01c6ac56$45b25d80$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <000901c6aceb$534e24c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > (as Rob would call them THONGS) Hi Leroy, It sounds like the foundry will be a great excursion. Thank God no one will have to see you wearing your thong. Rob From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Jul 22 19:35:04 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:35:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station Message-ID: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html Rick Rowlands US Bulletin Editor International Stationary Steam Engine Society 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 www.steamenginesociety.org 330-272-4089 Fax 330-759-1524 From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Sat Jul 22 20:21:00 2006 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:21:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: <008001c6ae07$06c7f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!! Great shots; thanx! Lew Best near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:35 PM To: TodEngine at yahoogroups.com; The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com; Steam-engine mailing list; steam_lizards at yahoogroups.com; Stationary_Steam_Engines at yahoogroups.com; Robert E. Lindquist Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html Rick Rowlands US Bulletin Editor International Stationary Steam Engine Society 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 www.steamenginesociety.org 330-272-4089 Fax 330-759-1524 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Jul 22 20:29:12 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:29:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: <200607230329.k6N3TPAD051488@mail-gw.fsr.net> Thank you for the pictures, Rick. Are the pumps centrifugal or positive displacement? Your pictures show a number of tanks which I assume are surge domes (accumulators) which would be necessitated by reciprocating pumps. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:35 PM To: TodEngine at yahoogroups.com; The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com; Steam-engine mailing list; steam_lizards at yahoogroups.com; Stationary_Steam_Engines at yahoogroups.com; Robert E. Lindquist Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html Rick Rowlands US Bulletin Editor International Stationary Steam Engine Society 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 www.steamenginesociety.org 330-272-4089 Fax 330-759-1524 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Jul 23 05:53:21 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:53:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station Message-ID: <586.183364d.31f4cb41@aol.com> Rick, Great that you were able to take a first hand tour! Huge old machinery! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Jul 23 08:34:41 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:34:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Colonel Ward Pumping Station In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> References: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: <8d7fa6f8cbc1a3b9df84e0921997f8c6@chartertn.net> Really cool! John On Jul 22, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote: > 5,500 Tons of Stationary Steam Power in Buffalo, NY: > > http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/2432.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dleis at centurytel.net Wed Jul 19 18:09:58 2006 From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:09:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: on-line photo sharing Message-ID: <001e01c6ab99$38448b40$0501a8c0@computer> Hi List what is a good on-line free photo sharing web site? thank you for the help Stacy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jul 24 05:42:31 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:42:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Team Work to haul home engines Message-ID: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Another road trip on the weekend to bring home another bit of rusty junk. This time it was a rare 1900 Crossley OO portable for my mate Paul. It took my trusty Nissan, Ron's trailer & all three of us to bring this one home. The Crossley was too heavy for Paul's Toyota and too big for my trailer so we combined forces for this one. A few pics of the load can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072208.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072211.JPG More pics of the engine later :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jul 24 05:58:10 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Team Work to haul home engines In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Man, that's a lovely looking engine. It looks to be mostly (ar all?) there. What's the condition re restoration? What HP? I assume a "story" on the find will come with the engine pics? 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Another road trip on the weekend to bring home another bit of rusty junk. > This time it was a rare 1900 Crossley OO portable for my mate Paul. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Jul 24 11:06:28 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:06:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> RE: Team Work to haul home engines In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <200607241806.k6OI6j0v069646@mail-gw.fsr.net> That's a beauty, Patrick! Thanx for the pix. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:43 AM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: Team Work to haul home engines http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072208.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072211.JPG More pics of the engine later :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 24 16:28:44 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Team Work to haul home engines In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Wow! John On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Another road trip on the weekend to bring home another bit of rusty > junk. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 16:41:35 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Letz Feed Grinders In-Reply-To: <008001c6ae07$06c7f690$0ddac140@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20060724234135.69035.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy folks, I am in need of a newer Letz grinder. I want one like a model 180 or 244 A model that will take the whole corn stalk, chop it up and then grind it. Anyone got one and willing to sell it? Able to get it to Portland? I have a model 8 that was only made in 1914, their first year then I also have a slightly newer one that is like it except it doesn't have the cast iron hopper that my model 8 has. The model 8 also came with a tin hopper, but mine must have originally had a number 15 cutter that needed the cast iron hopper to mount to. Thanks for reading this, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. --0-805563616-1153784495=:68652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Howdy folks,
I am in need of a newer Letz grinder.
I want one like a model 180 or 244
A model that will take the whole corn stalk, chop it up and then grind it.
 
Anyone got one and willing to sell it?
Able to get it to Portland?
 
I have a model 8 that was only made in 1914, their first year then I also have a slightly newer one that is like it except it doesn't have the cast iron hopper that my model 8 has.
The model 8 also came with a tin hopper, but mine must have originally had a number 15 cutter that needed the cast iron hopper to mount to.
 
Thanks for reading this,
Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan


Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. From b2 at chooka.net Mon Jul 24 19:46:40 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:46:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 In-Reply-To: <1148171703.446fb5b7699df@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <200607242146214.SM01064@wrbpc> Mine arrived today! There's not much in this book I recognize, and that makes sense since these are the ones that got away when Wendel was rounding them up for the first volume. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:35 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Wendel's BYB Volume 2 Hi Folks, Well, it looks like it's a rumor no longer. The BYB Volume 2 is ready to go. Check it out: http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/36903 BOOK FS: BYB Volume 2 (Iowa) Advertised By: Charles Wendel Date: Monday, 15 May 2006, at 9:13 p.m. American Gas Engines Volume 2 is completed! 416 pages of all different engines than Volume 1. The new book is hardcover and matches the original one like we reprinted a year ago. We have no idea how many to get printed, so here's the deal: The book will sell at $60, but we will pay the postage if you send us your prepublication order. That's $60 postpaid in the US. Or, if you need to replace Volume 1, we will give you a special deal of $110 for both Volume 1 and Volume 2, and we'll ship them to you together, postage paid! We hope Volume 2 to be ready the end of June. BYB 1 AND BYB 2 will give you a thousand pages of engines! Cash, check or money order, no PayPal or credit cards or open accounts. C. H. Wendel, The Prairie Press, 4415 F Street, Amana, Iowa 52203 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Tue Jul 25 18:50:10 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:50:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping In-Reply-To: <002801c69af6$ceaaa500$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Hello: Leroy, We would also like to "reserve" a spot on your list, we will get there either very late Monday or early Tuesday and be leaving very early Friday morning. Bill Jr. opened a hobby shop the day after Thanksgiving last year so he won't be attending. See Ya, Bill & Peg Pfeiffer PS: Yes we are bringing the 29' trailer with the pull out room again. >From: "Leroy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:57 -0400 > >Done, it will be good to see you again this year. Leroy >----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" > >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland camping > > >>Hi Leroy, >> >>I am planning to be at Portland again this year, and would like a camping >>spot for my truck. >>Looking forward to seeing you all, soon. >> >>Pete Stauffer >>Hidden away amongst the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, USA >> >> >>>From: "Leroy" >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" , >>>"oldengine list" >>>Subject: [SEL] Portland camping >>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:29:54 -0400 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Does anyone know who is saving the ATIS camping area this year please? >>>>I would be grateful if they could email me off list. >>> >>> >>>I got this today and yes maybe it is time to start reserving some space >>>for campers in Portland. I have one , my friend Paul has one, Tom (Ball) >>>has one "does this mean Reg is going to be in the low rent area again?", >>>Brice (Adams) has one, Bob (Matthews) has just ask for a spot and it is >>>done....... Anyone else? Also I have been tossing around some other >>>ideas, more later. Contact me or write the list if you need camper space >>>or if I did not include you on this short list. Leroy Clark >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Tue Jul 25 18:54:31 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:54:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave please put three more down for your dinner. Thanks, Peg Pfeiffer >From: "Richard Strobel" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:28:12 -0600 > >Forwarded to all three...that I know of, Dave, > >RickinMt. > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:03 PM >Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction > > > > Hi All, > > The annual ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction will be held once again >during > > the August Portland Show. The date for the dinner this year is (Thurs.) > > August 24th at 6:00 PM. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back >40 > > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north > > end > > of town. The auction will follow the dinner. Start looking around for > > items > > to donate to the auction! > > Ellen said that she was eager to have us back again this year and when I > > told her that Reg would be joining us she said that she and the other > > girls > > remembered him and that "strange Australian greeting" that he always >used. > > (I think she was referring to the slap on the a$$ that Reg always gives > > each of them.) She also asked if that "nice tractor guy with the Big > > Minnie" would be at the dinner again this year. Does anyone know who she > > is > > talking about? (And what on earth is a "Big Minnie?" Perhaps I >shouldn't > > ask!) > > I told Ellen that I would contact her to provide a "head count" as time > > neared for the dinner. If you plan to join us please let me know so that >I > > can provide a fairly good estimate to Ellen. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net > > Thanks, and I sure hope to see everyone at the dinner and auction! > > Dave > > PS, Will someone please forward this post to the Tractor List? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Jul 26 10:48:03 2006 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Crosby ND Show In-Reply-To: <44BED446.9070903@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060726174803.63067.qmail@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy The trip went great (except for the 17 hours on the road each way...but the company was great). In looking back, I still missed a bunch...only shot 397 photos + 12 decent video clips (which are not on the site)...you will have to go to Harry's to view them when Craig Anderson puts them up on his server space. Photos at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006CrosbyGasEngines.htm Steve --- Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Steve, > I'd love to be there but not enough time, $$$, etc to make it. I've > > been to John Tysse's place several times and the show grounds joins his > property. I know its a dandy, especially if you like the big tractors. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > >I was wondering if any other list members are going to be at the show > this > >weekend in Crosby, North Dakota. Myself and several friends are making > >the trek out there tomorrow and will be there thru Sat evening. > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jul 26 11:27:36 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:27:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would be really great. I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives there!! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From oldengin at verizon.net Wed Jul 26 13:26:09 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:26:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping References: Message-ID: <000c01c6b0f1$bc11ae00$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Got ya covered.... Hope everyone and everything is good? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping > Hello: > > Leroy, > > We would also like to "reserve" a spot on your list, we will get there > either very late Monday or early Tuesday and be leaving very early Friday > morning. > > Bill Jr. opened a hobby shop the day after Thanksgiving last year so he > won't be attending. > > See Ya, > Bill & Peg Pfeiffer > > PS: Yes we are bringing the 29' trailer with the pull out room again. > > >>From: "Leroy" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:57 -0400 >> >>Done, it will be good to see you again this year. Leroy >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" >> >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 AM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland camping >> >> >>>Hi Leroy, >>> >>>I am planning to be at Portland again this year, and would like a camping >>>spot for my truck. >>>Looking forward to seeing you all, soon. >>> >>>Pete Stauffer >>>Hidden away amongst the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, USA >>> >>> >>>>From: "Leroy" >>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> >>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" , >>>>"oldengine list" >>>>Subject: [SEL] Portland camping >>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:29:54 -0400 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Does anyone know who is saving the ATIS camping area this year please? >>>>>I would be grateful if they could email me off list. >>>> >>>> >>>>I got this today and yes maybe it is time to start reserving some space >>>>for campers in Portland. I have one , my friend Paul has one, Tom >>>>(Ball) has one "does this mean Reg is going to be in the low rent area >>>>again?", Brice (Adams) has one, Bob (Matthews) has just ask for a spot >>>>and it is done....... Anyone else? Also I have been tossing around >>>>some other ideas, more later. Contact me or write the list if you need >>>>camper space or if I did not include you on this short list. Leroy >>>>Clark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Jul 26 15:42:23 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:42:23 +0800 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000e01c6b104$c6b5da30$32f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies > Hi Guys, > A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October > and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible > during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. > > > > I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most > engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance > of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. > > Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and > you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would > be really great. > > I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will > miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives > there!! > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Jul 26 17:54:53 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:54:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003d01c6b117$45dca4d0$210110ac@service> Jerry, on 04/10 when he is in Kojonup for lunch i am 40kms away, if he is on a bus time would be a problem, if he is on a self drive we may be able to arrange something, cheers for now, Chester Smith West Aussie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies > Hi Guys, > A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October > and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible > during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. > > > > I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most > engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance > of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. > > Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and > you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would > be really great. > > I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will > miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives > there!! > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Jul 26 18:22:28 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:22:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726200648.00a9dec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000e01c6b104$c6b5da30$32f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000901c6b11b$20de22e0$0f84dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Peter.Did you mean to add to this post and forgot or have I missed something??? EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:42 Subject: Re: [SEL] For the Aussies > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:27 AM > Subject: [SEL] For the Aussies > > > > Hi Guys, > > A fellow collector will be visiting Aus from 26 Sept to 16 October > > and would like to see some engines and meet engine people if possible > > during his visit. I've uploaded his itinerary to my website. > > > > > > > > I have only met him once and do not know him very well but most > > engine guys are O.K. He is not looking for accommodation - just the chance > > of seeing some of the Aussie engine scene and meeting the guys. > > > > Please look at his itinerary and if he is going to be near you and > > you can see your way clear to meet him and show him some things that would > > be really great. > > > > I see his first "port of call" is near Albany ! It seems he will > > miss Newcastle, which is a pity because one of the "good guys" lives > > there!! > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Tel. (016) 365-5787 > > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 00:19:29 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:19:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. Message-ID: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Eastern State Hospital has been here since 1891. One of our old well houses has a Venn-Severin four cylinder engine to power a generator. It appears to be a hot bulb oil engine or a two cycle diesel. It has 300hp at 324 rpm. The engine number is 5660. I was trying to find more information on it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We replied with what information we had, and asked about the possibility of the engine being released for preservation. We also asked for permission to post the informatioon to the engine Lists for others to see. David replied: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for the reply. The engine is not running and has not for an unknown number of years. It is stored indoors. Unfortunately thieves have broken into the building and stolen some copper from the engine, i.e. fuel or oil lines and the governor. They also damaged the generator in an attempt to take its copper. Our Support Services Director expressed some interest about getting it into a museum or to a collector that would be interested in restoring it. The State is not going to restore it and most likely will eventually be scrapped. Go ahead and make the post. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We are not in a position to do anything here in the UK, but this might be the sort of thing that someone in the area might want to take up and maybe help out with getting some pictures posted etc etc. David's email address is: snipesdl at dshs.wa.gov Tel: 509-299-4545 or 509-299-3121 Fax: 509-299-7015 We would like to know how any contacts go, and if any pictures are taken could they be made available for the Lists please? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oldironnut at alltel.net Sat Jul 29 04:51:07 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:51:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer In-Reply-To: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> References: <019801c6ae00$9bbbd890$437da418@pengy> Message-ID: Howdy all, I'm trying to help a guy that contacted Rob about a Foos engine. Does anyone have a picture of the mixer on a 1920'ish 3-1/2 hp Foos J? From the picture that he sent to me it has what I'm bettin' is the mixer, although it's quite different than the mixer on my 1910 Foos Jr. So, a good picture of a later model J mixer would help me clear this up. The original mixer on my Foos Jr. was made out of brass. Is the mixer on a later model J made out of cast iron? Thanks, Mike From billalan at busynet.net Sat Jul 29 06:26:15 2006 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:26:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CB61F7.1020209@busynet.net> Leroy, I don't know if Ed contacted you yet, but reserve a spot for us also. We should be making the trek down, probably on Tuesday or Wednesday, and leaving Saturday. As far as I know, it will be myself, my dad, and brother. We will need room for one pop-up camper. Thanks - Bill From billalan at busynet.net Sat Jul 29 06:26:21 2006 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:26:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> Dave, Put us down for three for the dinner. Thanks - Bill From old_iron at msn.com Sat Jul 29 06:50:58 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:50:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland camping In-Reply-To: <000c01c6b0f1$bc11ae00$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Thanks a bunch! Bill Jr is doing OK with his Hobby Shop/Slot Car Track, William will be coming with us, and Bill Sr has trouble breathing in the heat, other than that were doing a day at a time. See You and Brandy soon! XOXOX Peg >From: "Leroy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:26:09 -0400 > >Got ya covered.... Hope everyone and everything is good? >----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:50 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping > > >>Hello: >> >>Leroy, >> >>We would also like to "reserve" a spot on your list, we will get there >>either very late Monday or early Tuesday and be leaving very early Friday >>morning. >> >>Bill Jr. opened a hobby shop the day after Thanksgiving last year so he >>won't be attending. >> >>See Ya, >>Bill & Peg Pfeiffer >> >>PS: Yes we are bringing the 29' trailer with the pull out room again. >> >> >>>From: "Leroy" >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland camping >>>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:57 -0400 >>> >>>Done, it will be good to see you again this year. Leroy >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" >>> >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:09 AM >>>Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland camping >>> >>> >>>>Hi Leroy, >>>> >>>>I am planning to be at Portland again this year, and would like a >>>>camping spot for my truck. >>>>Looking forward to seeing you all, soon. >>>> >>>>Pete Stauffer >>>>Hidden away amongst the hills and hollers of southern West Virginia, USA >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Leroy" >>>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>>> >>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" , >>>>>"oldengine list" >>>>>Subject: [SEL] Portland camping >>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:29:54 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone know who is saving the ATIS camping area this year please? >>>>>>I would be grateful if they could email me off list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I got this today and yes maybe it is time to start reserving some space >>>>>for campers in Portland. I have one , my friend Paul has one, Tom >>>>>(Ball) has one "does this mean Reg is going to be in the low rent area >>>>>again?", Brice (Adams) has one, Bob (Matthews) has just ask for a spot >>>>>and it is done....... Anyone else? Also I have been tossing around >>>>>some other ideas, more later. Contact me or write the list if you need >>>>>camper space or if I did not include you on this short list. Leroy >>>>>Clark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>SEL mailing list >>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>-- >>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 29 06:52:12 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:52:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Crossley OO In-Reply-To: <20060724124228.RPGF24880.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20060729135159.KZP13704.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I finally had a chance to get together the pics of the Crossley OO I dragged home for my mate last weekend. It is an impressive beast: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crossleyoo.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Jul 29 07:26:10 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:26:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607291426.k6TEQIxH080256@mail-gw.fsr.net> Wayne Thackery or John Merry, both frequent contributors to Harry's Smokstak might be interested in the engine. Wayne is an old hand when it comes to big iron. He would see to it that this engine would be preserved and most likely moved to the Brooks, Oregon, show grounds. John Merry lives not very far from Medical Lake. Both John and Wayne are away from their computers, busy at Brooks this weekend. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:19 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Eastern State Hospital has been here since 1891. One of our old well houses has a Venn-Severin four cylinder engine to power a generator. It appears to be a hot bulb oil engine or a two cycle diesel. It has 300hp at 324 rpm. The engine number is 5660. I was trying to find more information on it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We replied with what information we had, and asked about the possibility of the engine being released for preservation. We also asked for permission to post the informatioon to the engine Lists for others to see. David replied: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks for the reply. The engine is not running and has not for an unknown number of years. It is stored indoors. Unfortunately thieves have broken into the building and stolen some copper from the engine, i.e. fuel or oil lines and the governor. They also damaged the generator in an attempt to take its copper. Our Support Services Director expressed some interest about getting it into a museum or to a collector that would be interested in restoring it. The State is not going to restore it and most likely will eventually be scrapped. Go ahead and make the post. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We are not in a position to do anything here in the UK, but this might be the sort of thing that someone in the area might want to take up and maybe help out with getting some pictures posted etc etc. David's email address is: snipesdl at dshs.wa.gov Tel: 509-299-4545 or 509-299-3121 Fax: 509-299-7015 We would like to know how any contacts go, and if any pictures are taken could they be made available for the Lists please? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Jul 29 07:31:13 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:31:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around Message-ID: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It has been a busy few weekends dragging home old iron. All for other people and not for me :( At least I get to play with some nice toys :) First trip, bringing home the 10hp Blackstone for Ron: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070234.JPG The following weekend a nice 6hp Austral for Ron: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070801.JPG a good load behind Ron's Nissan as well: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070802.JPG The next weekend was a 1300km trip to bring home a Blackstone and a Sundiesel: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071502.JPG Ron had the transporters for the two engines and a complete Tangye in his trailer: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071505.JPG and of course last weekend was the big Crossley: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG This weekend I am not towing anything anywhere which makes for a nice change. I did run some engines today (sadly none of mine). A nice 8hp Blackstone that had not been run for quite a while. It started first try. As well as firing up a 16hp Tangye and a Hornsby Oil Engine. I did pick up some parts for one of my R&Vs so my own engines were not completely left out :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Jul 29 13:24:21 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:24:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> References: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> Three it is Bill. See you there! Dave At 09:26 AM 7/29/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > >Put us down for three for the dinner. >Thanks - Bill >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Jul 30 04:03:28 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:03:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around In-Reply-To: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: Thanks for the great pics Patrick. You have been busy. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:31:13 +1000 > >It has been a busy few weekends dragging home old iron. All for other >people >and not for me :( At least I get to play with some nice toys :) >First trip, bringing home the 10hp Blackstone for Ron: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070234.JPG >The following weekend a nice 6hp Austral for Ron: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070801.JPG >a good load behind Ron's Nissan as well: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070802.JPG >The next weekend was a 1300km trip to bring home a Blackstone and a >Sundiesel: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071502.JPG >Ron had the transporters for the two engines and a complete Tangye in his >trailer: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071505.JPG >and of course last weekend was the big Crossley: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG > >This weekend I am not towing anything anywhere which makes for a nice >change. I did run some engines today (sadly none of mine). A nice 8hp >Blackstone that had not been run for quite a while. It started first try. >As >well as firing up a 16hp Tangye and a Hornsby Oil Engine. I did pick up >some >parts for one of my R&Vs so my own engines were not completely left out :) > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Sun Jul 30 14:47:27 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> Save gas going to your next engine show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From oldengin at verizon.net Sun Jul 30 17:03:19 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:03:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] findlay References: <44CB61F7.1020209@busynet.net> Message-ID: <002701c6b434$bbbe0750$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... Leroy From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sun Jul 30 18:11:00 2006 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:11:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] findlay Message-ID: <000601c6b43e$4801fe20$85610b42@computer> Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on getting there with part of the families on thur. George -----Original Message----- From: Leroy To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] findlay >is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >Leroy > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Jul 30 18:56:01 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:56:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <44CD6331.3050808@scrtc.com> Neat video Frank. One thing I'll have to say for that steamer, its ground speed is the fastest I've seen. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Save gas going to your next engine show. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= > > Frank > From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 30 21:16:52 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:16:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay In-Reply-To: <000601c6b43e$4801fe20$85610b42@computer> Message-ID: <000001c6b458$2846fb20$adbb5904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will be held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & Norma Armstrong Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on getting there with part of the families on thur. George -----Original Message----- From: Leroy To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [SEL] findlay >is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >Leroy > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 01:01:56 2006 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:01:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: You can see how behind the British were. We were using these things upto and even after the 2nd war!! John. >From: Frank DeWitt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:27 -0400 > >Save gas going to your next engine show. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= > >Frank > > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >HONOR GOD >SERVE PEOPLE >DEVELOP EXCELLENCE >GROW PROFITABLE >FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES > > Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 > LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 > 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| > Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 01:07:35 2006 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels Message-ID: You can see how far behind the British were.We were using these things till after the second war!! John From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon Jul 31 01:47:36 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:47:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <035a01c6b47d$f91bacd0$8335c53e@doc> I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler BB's (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre field behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the end of WWII. As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields, dredge pools and pull out stumps for many years after that. I do not know if they are still working, but they almost certainly still exist. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > john palmer > Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08 > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels > > You can see how far behind the British were.We were using > these things till > after the second war!! John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Jul 31 03:19:54 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: References: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> >It must be the time of year for draggin some iron home. Due to a >recent re-laps into engine mania I was over come by a weak moment >and also found myself; like Patrick and the boys; doing a deal on >another bit of old iron. After looking at buying and engine from >ebay (I didn't win it) I decided to chat to the person listing to >ask what if anything else could be for sale. Well after a few >e-amils and phone conversations I became the new owner of a realy >nice little 1904 3.5hp Portable Hornsby. It's the smallest that >Hornsby's made in the portable oil engines and rarely come up for >sale. I just couldn't resist and I weakend dramatically to the point >where life wouldn't be worth living unless it was home in my >shed!! (well maybe not that dramatic but it's a hoot having in my >collection) Anyway the engine is seized but vertualy complete. The >transport is all factory original with the Hornsby embossed >lettering on the hubs. Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. I asked Dad if he had been to Roma in Queensland and if he wanted to come for a little drive to pick it up. He asked how long we would be gone for and I mentioned; Up Thursday and back Friday; Sounded good......! Well we decided to leave home after tea on the Wednesday to allow a bit more time. Got back 3pm on the friday .............. Now some think we are silly but it was only 1675 km each way! The total trip was 3341 km in just 43.5 hours. It takes a trip like this to really appreciate how big our country is because when you look at a map it just doesn't seem that far. Well we had very little trouble, not much sleep and managed to not hit any kangaroos! The roads were pretty crappy and at times our speed was some 30km per hour slower than we anticipated. Anyway all is good and the little engine is now home. I sleeped 11 hours straight that night. I have to thank dad for the company. Pictures are up on my webshots; the link at the bottom in my sig. cheers, Russ Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 31 03:37:58 2006 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:37:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around References: <20060729143100.IROA6498.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001401c6b48d$654c5e90$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi Patrick, after a week or so break - which I'm sure you deserve - do you reckon you could bring one home for me. Naturally I would pay for your fuel, food, o'night accom and and even beer if so required. Now that's not a bad deal eh? Mike Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron Around > It has been a busy few weekends dragging home old iron. All for other people > and not for me :( At least I get to play with some nice toys :) > First trip, bringing home the 10hp Blackstone for Ron: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070234.JPG > The following weekend a nice 6hp Austral for Ron: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070801.JPG > a good load behind Ron's Nissan as well: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06070802.JPG > The next weekend was a 1300km trip to bring home a Blackstone and a > Sundiesel: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071502.JPG > Ron had the transporters for the two engines and a complete Tangye in his > trailer: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/06071505.JPG > and of course last weekend was the big Crossley: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/06072206.JPG > > This weekend I am not towing anything anywhere which makes for a nice > change. I did run some engines today (sadly none of mine). A nice 8hp > Blackstone that had not been run for quite a while. It started first try. As > well as firing up a 16hp Tangye and a Hornsby Oil Engine. I did pick up some > parts for one of my R&Vs so my own engines were not completely left out :) > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 04:11:55 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:11:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russ. What can I say mate except bloody ripper. Well done and thanks for the pics. Regards Lyndsay PS---Curiosity mate --------What engine number is she. >From: Russell Gilbert >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +1000 > > >>It must be the time of year for draggin some iron home. Due to a recent >>re-laps into engine mania I was over come by a weak moment and also found >>myself; like Patrick and the boys; doing a deal on another bit of old >>iron. After looking at buying and engine from ebay (I didn't win it) I >>decided to chat to the person listing to ask what if anything else could >>be for sale. Well after a few e-amils and phone conversations I became the >>new owner of a realy nice little 1904 3.5hp Portable Hornsby. It's the >>smallest that Hornsby's made in the portable oil engines and rarely come >>up for sale. I just couldn't resist and I weakend dramatically to the >>point where life wouldn't be worth living unless it was home in my shed!! >>(well maybe not that dramatic but it's a hoot having in my collection) >>Anyway the engine is seized but vertualy complete. The transport is all >>factory original with the Hornsby embossed lettering on the hubs. > > >Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. I asked Dad if >he had been to Roma in Queensland and if he wanted to come for a little >drive to pick it up. He asked how long we would be gone for and I >mentioned; Up Thursday and back Friday; Sounded good......! Well we decided >to leave home after tea on the Wednesday to allow a bit more time. Got back >3pm on the friday .............. Now some think we are silly but it was >only 1675 km each way! The total trip was 3341 km in just 43.5 hours. It >takes a trip like this to really appreciate how big our country is because >when you look at a map it just doesn't seem that far. Well we had very >little trouble, not much sleep and managed to not hit any kangaroos! The >roads were pretty crappy and at times our speed was some 30km per hour >slower than we anticipated. Anyway all is good and the little engine is now >home. I sleeped 11 hours straight that night. I have to thank dad for the >company. Pictures are up on my webshots; the link at the bottom in my sig. > >cheers, Russ > > > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Jul 31 05:51:34 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don.h at wcoil.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:51:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay References: <000001c6b458$2846fb20$adbb5904@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <000601c6b4a0$0e4f6890$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> FINDLAY OHIO 35 Annual show Aug 3-6th Daily Admission $2.00 page 326 of the show directory Featuring Allis Chalmers Tractors and Oil Field Engines state route 568 1017 E Sandusky st Latitude: 41? 2 Min. 39 Sec. Longitude: -83? 39 Min. 0 Sec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Findlay > Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will > be > held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do > not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. > > Lyle Myles > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & > Norma > Armstrong > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay > > Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on > getting > there with part of the families on thur. George > -----Original Message----- > From: Leroy > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] findlay > > >>is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >>Leroy >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com Mon Jul 31 07:30:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:30:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay In-Reply-To: <000601c6b4a0$0e4f6890$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> Message-ID: <000001c6b4ad$eb6cb630$5964fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8> Leroy Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. I'm happy that this is only a few miles from my home and I plan on being there about every day. Again, thank for taking the time on this. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of don.h at wcoil.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay FINDLAY OHIO 35 Annual show Aug 3-6th Daily Admission $2.00 page 326 of the show directory Featuring Allis Chalmers Tractors and Oil Field Engines state route 568 1017 E Sandusky st Latitude: 41? 2 Min. 39 Sec. Longitude: -83? 39 Min. 0 Sec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Findlay > Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will > be > held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do > not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. > > Lyle Myles > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & > Norma > Armstrong > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay > > Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on > getting > there with part of the families on thur. George > -----Original Message----- > From: Leroy > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] findlay > > >>is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... >>Leroy >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Jul 31 07:56:23 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:56:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: On 7/31/06 3:19 AM, "Russell Gilbert" wrote: > Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. Hi Russ, That sure is a sweet engine -- all original, pretty much complete, beautiful Aussie cart. The 3 1/2 looks to be a good sized hunk of iron. Good work. Rob From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Mon Jul 31 08:04:44 2006 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> References: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave, Thanks again for all your work on the dinner and auction. I plan to attend. Brice From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 31 08:49:32 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:49:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What are the tank requirements at Portland? Message-ID: <44CE268C.9030704@imc-group.com> A local engine fellow is considering bringing his 22 1/2HP Bessemer for his annual trek to Portland this year. He has displayed plenty of engines in the past, but this would be his first time displaying an oil field engine. The engine is nicely restored and was in GEM a few years ago. But he has a question about the LP tanks. He is using the 100# tank and is wondering about the show's requirements to hold the tanks in the vertical position. Are there speciific rules at Portland regarding strapping the tank to something on the engine to assure it can't be knocked over? Or is free standing OK? If strapping is required, is it sufficient to put up a fence post and strap the tank to it? Thanks, Curt Holland (for Clayton Ballard) cc: Clayton Ballard cpballard1 at bellsouth.net From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 09:02:23 2006 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] findlay In-Reply-To: <002701c6b434$bbbe0750$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <20060731160223.33025.qmail@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would not miss this show. --- Leroy wrote: > is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, > and see you there....... > Leroy > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Mon Jul 31 11:07:01 2006 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:07:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Re: SEL Digest, Vol 28, Issue 30 References: <200607311600.k6VG04dV028508@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <003701c6b4cc$1eedd930$0400a8c0@user783e64edcc> Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:27 -0400 From: Frank DeWitt Subject: [SEL] Nice wheels To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060730173702.085fa658 at lbpinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-341152D0 Save gas going to your next engine show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blm5tezIMpE&mode=related&search= Frank And the best bit is that there are a LOT more to look at! 8^) Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au 8^) Runnin' with the wind ... From curt at imc-group.com Mon Jul 31 11:31:12 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:31:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL Message-ID: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> Guys, The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice documentation..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Jul 31 12:57:21 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:57:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels Message-ID: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net> Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US? I have never seen a reference to it. Also, what was the advantage of plowing a feild in this way beside the fact that the engines were not traveling through the feild, I guess what I am trying to say is, was this method quicker than pulling the plow behind a smaller tractor? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Peter Scales > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/31/2006 5:47:40 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels > > I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler BB's > (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - > http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre field > behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the end > of WWII. As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields, dredge pools > and pull out stumps for many years after that. I do not know if they are > still working, but they almost certainly still exist. > > Regards > > Pete > -- > Peter Scales > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > john palmer > > Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08 > > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels > > > > You can see how far behind the British were.We were using > > these things till > > after the second war!! John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jul 31 13:29:34 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels In-Reply-To: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2381.165.206.180.19.1154377774.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I have a magazine from 1919 that shows it being done in Russia and I thought talked about it elsewhere, but I'd have to look. IF I remember, I'll try to dig up that article. It was quite interesting! Bill > Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US? I have never > seen a reference to it. Also, what was the advantage of plowing a feild > in > this way beside the fact that the engines were not traveling through the > feild, I guess what I am trying to say is, was this method quicker than > pulling the plow behind a smaller tractor? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Peter Scales >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:47:40 AM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels >> >> I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler > BB's >> (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - >> http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre > field >> behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the > end >> of WWII. As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields, dredge > pools >> and pull out stumps for many years after that. I do not know if they >> are >> still working, but they almost certainly still exist. >> >> Regards >> >> Pete >> -- >> Peter Scales >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> > john palmer >> > Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08 >> > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels >> > >> > You can see how far behind the British were.We were using >> > these things till >> > after the second war!! John >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: >> 7/28/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Jul 31 14:13:50 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:13:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels In-Reply-To: <035a01c6b47d$f91bacd0$8335c53e@doc> References: <035a01c6b47d$f91bacd0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <80327731148938b3b54518e01e0d7119@chartertn.net> The ground was broken for the Bristol drag strip in the 1950s with a steam tractor. John On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Peter Scales wrote: > I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler > BB's > (steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic - > http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre > field > behind our house. This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after > the end > of WWII. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jul 31 14:29:43 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:29:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the shows! Dolly Curt wrote: > Guys, > The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems > to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice > documentation..... > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Jul 31 14:52:33 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:52:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060731195646.0197b238@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801075143.01970780@ncable.com.au> Thanks Lyndsay, engine number 12350 Russell At 09:11 PM 31/07/2006, you wrote: >Hi Russ. What can I say mate except bloody ripper. Well done and >thanks for the pics. > > >Regards >Lyndsay > >PS---Curiosity mate --------What engine number is she. > > > >>From: Russell Gilbert >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: [SEL] Dragging Old Iron home, tis the season >>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +1000 >> >> >>>It must be the time of year for draggin some iron home. Due to a >>>recent re-laps into engine mania I was over come by a weak moment >>>and also found myself; like Patrick and the boys; doing a deal on >>>another bit of old iron. After looking at buying and engine from >>>ebay (I didn't win it) I decided to chat to the person listing to >>>ask what if anything else could be for sale. Well after a few >>>e-amils and phone conversations I became the new owner of a realy >>>nice little 1904 3.5hp Portable Hornsby. It's the smallest that >>>Hornsby's made in the portable oil engines and rarely come up for >>>sale. I just couldn't resist and I weakend dramatically to the >>>point where life wouldn't be worth living unless it was home in my shed!! >>>(well maybe not that dramatic but it's a hoot having in my collection) >>>Anyway the engine is seized but vertualy complete. The transport >>>is all factory original with the Hornsby embossed lettering on the hubs. >> >> >>Well Haulin engines is what this is about and haulin we did. I >>asked Dad if he had been to Roma in Queensland and if he wanted to >>come for a little drive to pick it up. He asked how long we would >>be gone for and I mentioned; Up Thursday and back Friday; Sounded >>good......! Well we decided to leave home after tea on the >>Wednesday to allow a bit more time. Got back 3pm on the friday >>.............. Now some think we are silly but it was only 1675 km >>each way! The total trip was 3341 km in just 43.5 hours. It takes >>a trip like this to really appreciate how big our country is >>because when you look at a map it just doesn't seem that far. Well >>we had very little trouble, not much sleep and managed to not hit >>any kangaroos! The roads were pretty crappy and at times our speed >>was some 30km per hour slower than we anticipated. Anyway all is >>good and the little engine is now home. I sleeped 11 hours straight >>that night. I have to thank dad for the company. Pictures are up >>on my webshots; the link at the bottom in my sig. >> >>cheers, Russ >> >> >> >>Russell Gilbert >>Sunny Sunraysia >>russell at ncable.com.au >>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Jul 31 15:05:16 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:05:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL Message-ID: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm > [Original Message] > From: Jim French > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the shows! > > Dolly From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Jul 31 15:10:11 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:10:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c6b4ee$17d551b0$6400a8c0@home> is this what your looking for ? http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/photoalbum.shtml Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! > > Dolly > > Curt wrote: > >> Guys, >> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems to >> work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice >> documentation..... >> > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 31 16:03:27 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:03:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL References: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm >> From: Jim French >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? >> It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! >> Dolly Hi Guys, I did the origional of this a few years ago. It needs re-making again (preferably in the dead winter season to stop the fights) 8^) I am not up to doing it now & last year asked for someone else to do it. A few people said they would consider being the host but so far nothing has started. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:59:38 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:59:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] babbit article Message-ID: Hi Curt, Been meaning to drop a note to tell you how much I enjoyed your babbit article in GEM. Even though you had posted all the pictures and write up on the list, I still enjoyed reading it all thru again. Thanks for taking the time to take all the photos, write ups, and submitting to GEM. I am going to make use of your tips. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From segray at mlode.com Mon Jul 31 17:29:22 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:29:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com> You referring to this, Dolly? I took this over for Dave Croft a while back. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html CYA - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim French wrote: > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! > > Dolly > > Curt wrote: > >> Guys, >> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer >> seems to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very >> nice documentation..... >> > > > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Jul 31 17:59:46 2006 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:59:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com> Message-ID: But the picture link is broken :( Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL You referring to this, Dolly? I took this over for Dave Croft a while back. http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html CYA - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim French wrote: > Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > shows! > > Dolly > > Curt wrote: > >> Guys, >> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer >> seems to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very >> nice documentation..... >> > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 31 18:01:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:01:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Findlay In-Reply-To: <000001c6b4ad$eb6cb630$5964fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000601c6b4a0$0e4f6890$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> <000001c6b4ad$eb6cb630$5964fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060731205835.01afc630@mail.alltel.net> Hi Lyle, I can't be there. I'm off to FL at sparrow's fart in the morning! Arnie will have to fill in for me. I've given him signage for Portland. Perhaps he will put one up at Findlay! Dave At 10:30 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote: >Leroy >Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. I'm happy that this is only >a few miles from my home and I plan on being there about every day. Again, >thank for taking the time on this. > >Lyle Myles > >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >don.h at wcoil.com >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:52 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Findlay > > >FINDLAY OHIO 35 Annual show >Aug 3-6th >Daily Admission $2.00 >page 326 of the show directory >Featuring Allis Chalmers Tractors and Oil Field Engines >state route 568 >1017 E Sandusky st >Latitude: 41? 2 Min. 39 Sec. >Longitude: -83? 39 Min. 0 Sec > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lyle Myles" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:16 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Findlay > > > > Can you tell me what state Findlay is in and exactly where the show will > > be > > held and the times the show starts? I live close to Findlay, Ohio and I do > > not know if you are referring to Ohio or another state. > > > > Lyle Myles > > > > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > > has > > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold! > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of George & > > Norma > > Armstrong > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] findlay > > > > Armstrongs and Parks will be there with oil field engines. Plan on > > getting > > there with part of the families on thur. George > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leroy > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > > Subject: [SEL] findlay > > > > > >>is anyone coming to findlay next weekend? Thanks, and see you there....... > >>Leroy > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Jul 31 18:04:55 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:04:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Auction In-Reply-To: References: <44CB61FD.3040506@busynet.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060729162348.04824478@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060731210349.03a3a8b8@mail.alltel.net> Got you down for one (?) Brice. Are you not bringing that gal that you are sleeping with this year? Dave At 11:04 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote: >Dave, > > Thanks again for all your work on the dinner and auction. I plan > to attend. > >Brice From doug11k at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 18:07:21 2006 From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:07:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike, Yes, the Model J had a cast iron mixer & it was moved to near the center of the head as is the intake valve. On the Juniors brass mixer & intake valve cage are in line with the exhaust valve cage on governor side. I believe the cast iron mixer is nearly identical to the Juniors except made of cast iron instead of brass. I have three Juniors but no J's. Doug >From: Michael Tucker >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:51:07 -0400 > >Howdy all, > >I'm trying to help a guy that contacted Rob about a Foos engine. Does >anyone have a picture of the mixer on a 1920'ish 3-1/2 hp Foos J? From the >picture that he sent to me it has what I'm bettin' is the mixer, although >it's quite different than the mixer on my 1910 Foos Jr. So, a good picture >of a later model J mixer would help me clear this up. > >The original mixer on my Foos Jr. was made out of brass. Is the mixer on a >later model J made out of cast iron? > >Thanks, >Mike >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us Mon Jul 31 19:27:23 2006 From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:27:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: <002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1>; from dave.croft@ntlworld.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:03:27AM +0100 References: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com> <002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <20060731212723.A17504@ralph.lafayette.la.us> I had rearranged my website a while back and, apparently, it broke some of Dave Croft's links. I think I have it fixed up where Dave's links work again. I'm not going to be able to make it to Portland this year so you guys need to lots of good individual photos of SEL members and send them to me to update the Rogue's List. There are still quite a fair number of people who are not represented in the pictures. Many of the pictures need to be updated. Have fun at Portland! Pete. On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:03:27AM +0100, Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Christison" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm > >> From: Jim French > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > >> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? > >> It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the > > shows! > >> Dolly > > Hi Guys, I did the origional of this a few years ago. > It needs re-making again (preferably in the dead winter season to stop the fights) 8^) > I am not up to doing it now & last year asked for someone else to do it. > A few people said they would consider being the host but so far nothing has started. > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jul 31 19:58:02 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:58:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL References: <410-22006713122516250@coastalnet.com><002701c6b4f5$8cb5a6e0$3ac10b52@no1> <20060731212723.A17504@ralph.lafayette.la.us> Message-ID: <00fa01c6b516$50087f80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aw, Pete, I am coming from half a world away and I aint gunna get the cuddle from your lady?? How can ya do this to me?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Alleman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >I had rearranged my website a while back and, apparently, it broke some of > Dave Croft's links. I think I have it fixed up where Dave's links work > again. > > I'm not going to be able to make it to Portland this year so you guys need > to lots of good individual photos of SEL members and send them to me to > update the Rogue's List. There are still quite a fair number of people > who are not represented in the pictures. Many of the pictures need to be > updated. > > Have fun at Portland! > > Pete. > > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:03:27AM +0100, Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken Christison" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >> >> >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/atis/atis.htm >> >> From: Jim French >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 7/31/2006 5:29:48 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL >> >> Anyone know where the SEL Biographies are too? >> >> It's handy to refresh your memory before meeting up with folk at the >> > shows! >> >> Dolly >> >> Hi Guys, I did the origional of this a few years ago. >> It needs re-making again (preferably in the dead winter season to stop >> the fights) 8^) >> I am not up to doing it now & last year asked for someone else to do it. >> A few people said they would consider being the host but so far nothing >> has started. >> >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA > pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us > HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon Jul 31 20:28:20 2006 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:28:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CECA54.1040103@mlode.com> Your link seems to work, Glenn, at least it worked for me. Anyone else find links that don't work? Other than loading the intros site to my server, I haven't worked on it. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Glenn Wilson wrote: >But the picture link is broken :( >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Steve Gray >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 23:39:22 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:39:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160607312339k76e1277t4e3c4c095ed6179b@mail.gmail.com> On 29/07/06, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security > Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800: > David emailed some pictures overnight: http://www.oldengine.org.members/diesel/Misc/StateWell4Cylengine.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellEnginebrandplate.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGenerator.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellBrandPlatefactoryinfo.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellExteriorroughprint.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGeneratorcloseup.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGlowPlugheater.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel