From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Jan  1 02:36:32 2006
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:36:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] 2006
Message-ID: <004e01c60ebf$3d2cdad0$82252f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Happy new year to everyone may it be filled with good engines and even better shows.

        Cheers , Craig in Scotland


       P.s I hope there are not to many sore heads from the celebrations.
        Pps  I'm just about to go and give the lorenz its new year spin

From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Jan  1 06:02:47 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:02:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <003a01c60edc$0bad0440$0b151941@pengy>

Now it looks like a steam guy is in the lead! 

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve sewell" <sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> At 10:33 PM 12/31/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
> 
> 
> CC'ed to the tractor list as this is for the ATIS charity
> 
> 
> Looks to me like a tractor guy is in the lead!!  (-;
> 
> - Steve
> 
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  1 07:24:53 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:24:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fired up the Economy and New Years Baby
Message-ID: <000701c60ee7$85ba6f60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Good Morning List ;

   Last night at midnight I pulled the 2-1/2 hp economy out of the garage
and give her a good crank and presto I hit my self in the head with the
crank , after which some PG 13 words came out of my speaker system , I
mannaged to reconect the crank and spin her one more time and she fired up
and purred like a lion on steriods , I guess I didn't wake anyone as I heard
no shots or yelling' put her away ,went to bed and got woke up at 7:07 A.M.
this morning with a phone call from my Son Troy , he called to tell me his
wife just gave birth to a 8 lb 7 oz girl they named Holly , 2006 is startin
out GOOD , she was born at 7:01 AM  first new years baby in this county for
a few years ,  Happy New Year All !

Rex Hinz







From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  1 07:29:31 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:29:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
	<003a01c60edc$0bad0440$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <000b01c60ee8$2b9da0f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Wow are they bidding on Dave or the maytag ? if his picture can bring that
kind of cash we should kidnap him and put the real thing up for bid :-)

 Rex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> Now it looks like a steam guy is in the lead!
>
> Rick
>
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 07:50:14 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:50:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fired up the Economy and New Years Baby
In-Reply-To: <000701c60ee7$85ba6f60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000701c60ee7$85ba6f60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601010750y3d98e857td9a2fef72f58275f@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, Rex Hinz <rex002 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Good Morning List ;
>
>    Last night at midnight I pulled the 2-1/2 hp economy out of the garage
> and give her a good crank and presto I hit my self in the head with the
> crank , after which some PG 13 words came out of my speaker system , I
> mannaged to reconect the crank and spin her one more time and she fired up
> and purred like a lion on steriods , I guess I didn't wake anyone as I heard
> no shots or yelling' put her away ,went to bed and got woke up at 7:07 A.M.
> this morning with a phone call from my Son Troy , he called to tell me his
> wife just gave birth to a 8 lb 7 oz girl they named Holly , 2006 is startin
> out GOOD , she was born at 7:01 AM  first new years baby in this county for
> a few years ,  Happy New Year All !
>
> Rex Hinz
>
>
Congratulations on your new granddaughter, Rex!

Peter & Rita
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 07:51:48 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:51:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fired up the Economy and New Years Baby
Message-ID: <15.52d82814.30e95494@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/1/2006 10:44:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rex002 at centurytel.net writes:

<<  got woke up at 7:07 A.M.
 this morning with a phone call from my Son Troy , he called to tell me his
 wife just gave birth to a 8 lb 7 oz girl they named Holly , 2006 is startin
 out GOOD  >>


Rex,

That is great news indeed and congratulations to you and your family on the 
new addition!  We kept 3 year old grandson last evening so the young folks 
could celebrate New years.  We have a lot of fun with him.

About the crank and head altercation (it could have been your teeth). Glad it 
was not serious and that is the reason most of us hang the cranks up and do 
not use them.

Happy New Year and have a nice day!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 10:57:56 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:57:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>

We were playing around with the new Google earth satellite images over
the holiday break, and found it to be quite usable.

Parts of the world are not available as detailed scans, but the
following location should bring up our two fields and the horses are
in the right-hand one.

Area of the fields is just over 5 acres.

52deg 19' 01.61" North
0 Deg 31' 07.50" West

Set the viewing altitude to about 800ft

If you click and drag the image upwards (viewing more southwards) you
can see the bottom of RAF Chelveston, home to one of the 8th AF wings
in WWII, some of the ammunition storage sheds are still visible, and
we had a fruitful search there a few weeks ago with a metal detector.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 11:25:32 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:25:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101192533.37738.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Is this the first time that you used Google Earth  or are you referring to the (recent) update?  If you are "on it",  you can peek at us by dialing in 3575 Chili Avenue, Rochester, New York  14624.  Ours is the poperty with the long driveway leading back to  a modern-styled house (pool in back).  We are on about 25  acres.  As you scan south, you will see barn and a "stream" (Black  Creek) that winds through the property.  The ranch house to the  west (on Stottle Road) is also ours (my mother lives in that  house).  As suggested, the other farm property (McCormick Deering,  IHC M, etc.) can be seen by going to 60 Golden Road, 14624.
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  We were playing around with the new Google earth satellite images over
the holiday break, and found it to be quite usable.

Parts of the world are not available as detailed scans, but the
following location should bring up our two fields and the horses are
in the right-hand one.

Area of the fields is just over 5 acres.

52deg 19' 01.61" North
0 Deg 31' 07.50" West

Set the viewing altitude to about 800ft

If you click and drag the image upwards (viewing more southwards) you
can see the bottom of RAF Chelveston, home to one of the 8th AF wings
in WWII, some of the ammunition storage sheds are still visible, and
we had a fruitful search there a few weeks ago with a metal detector.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 11:50:20 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:50:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101192533.37738.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101192533.37738.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011150x6f9b9edvb16e9a47f4c06fff@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is this the first time that you used Google Earth  or are you referring to the (recent) update?  If you are "on it",  you can peek at us by dialing in 3575 Chili Avenue, Rochester, New York  14624.  Ours is the poperty with the long driveway leading back to  a modern-styled house (pool in back).  We are on about 25  acres.  As you scan south, you will see barn and a "stream" (Black  Creek) that winds through the property.  The ranch house to the  west (on Stottle Road) is also ours (my mother lives in that  house).  As suggested, the other farm property (McCormick Deering,  IHC M, etc.) can be seen by going to 60 Golden Road, 14624.
>   JM

First time we have played with it, but as we are on DSL it seemed to
be a good time to look at it. The boys like looking round the WWII
airfields, we are in the middle of an area which had intensive areas
converted to airfields, so they can look at the images and see
features not available on foot.

The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 12:11:23 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:11:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101201123.1930.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
  Thanks.
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  We were playing around with the new Google earth satellite images over
the holiday break, and found it to be quite usable.

Parts of the world are not available as detailed scans, but the
following location should bring up our two fields and the horses are
in the right-hand one.

Area of the fields is just over 5 acres.

52deg 19' 01.61" North
0 Deg 31' 07.50" West

Set the viewing altitude to about 800ft

If you click and drag the image upwards (viewing more southwards) you
can see the bottom of RAF Chelveston, home to one of the 8th AF wings
in WWII, some of the ammunition storage sheds are still visible, and
we had a fruitful search there a few weeks ago with a metal detector.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 13:00:24 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:00:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101201123.1930.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101201123.1930.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011300o23ee2d58y620c14d0142bed3c@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
>   Thanks.
>   JM

No address for the hosses! :-))

Rushden is not available as a detailed image, but the nag's field and
the airfield are, probably because they are mainly in Bedfordshire,
not Northants, The field where the horses are is the northernmost
point of Bedfordshire, the county border runs round 3 sides of the
property.

Try NN9 6AJ as a postcode, that gets you to the centre of Chelveston.
Follow the main road off to the right for 1 mile exactly and look for
two fields on the right of the road. The airfield is south of the
fields, if you get that postcode up and set the view to 7500ft, you
can get the fields in at the right of the picture and Chelvestion on
the left in the same image.

I can't find a way of saving a location that I have found.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 13:18:18 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:18:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011150x6f9b9edvb16e9a47f4c06fff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101211818.55845.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>



Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
>  Is this the first time that you used Google Earth or are you referring  to the (recent) update? If you are "on it", you can peek at us by  dialing in 3575 Chili Avenue, Rochester, New York 14624. Ours is the  poperty with the long driveway leading back to a modern-styled house  (pool in back). We are on about 25 acres. As you scan south, you will  see barn and a "stream" (Black Creek) that winds through the property.  The ranch house to the west (on Stottle Road) is also ours (my mother  lives in that house). As suggested, the other farm property (McCormick  Deering, IHC M, etc.) can be seen by going to 60 Golden Road, 14624.
>   JM

First time we have played with it, but as we are on DSL it seemed to
be a good time to look at it. The boys like looking round the WWII
airfields, we are in the middle of an area which had intensive areas
converted to airfields, so they can look at the images and see
features not available on foot.

The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.
  ** That is correct.  As you explore G/E, you will notice that  certain areas of the world (more populated, for example) are more  "detailed", so to speak.  A neat feature allows you to "outline"  buildings in major cities, too.  Again, your latitude/longitude  specs did not work (for me at least).  If you give something along  the lines of an address, that would help.
  Jm

Peter
--
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 13:43:39 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:43:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011300o23ee2d58y620c14d0142bed3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101214339.62680.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

Now I "see" you...utilizing the postal code you  provided.  Did not realize that you were in the UK.  The last  time we were in your country was July 4th of last year.  We were  at Paddington when the bombs went off.
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
> Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
>   Thanks.
>   JM

No address for the hosses! :-))

Rushden is not available as a detailed image, but the nag's field and
the airfield are, probably because they are mainly in Bedfordshire,
not Northants, The field where the horses are is the northernmost
point of Bedfordshire, the county border runs round 3 sides of the
property.

Try NN9 6AJ as a postcode, that gets you to the centre of Chelveston.
Follow the main road off to the right for 1 mile exactly and look for
two fields on the right of the road. The airfield is south of the
fields, if you get that postcode up and set the view to 7500ft, you
can get the fields in at the right of the picture and Chelvestion on
the left in the same image.

I can't find a way of saving a location that I have found.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 13:45:50 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:45:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101211818.55845.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011150x6f9b9edvb16e9a47f4c06fff@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101211818.55845.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011345h24743962w9e4ef07c89288501@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.
>   ** That is correct.  As you explore G/E, you will notice that  certain areas of the world (more populated, for example) are more  "detailed", so to speak.  A neat feature allows you to "outline"  buildings in major cities, too.  Again, your latitude/longitude  specs did not work (for me at least).  If you give something along  the lines of an address, that would help.
>   Jm

Did you try the Postcode I gave in my last email?  Maybe these only
work if you're in that country?

UK postcodes work straight off with no additional info, just as I
assume a Zip Code would for you.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 13:51:06 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:51:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011300o23ee2d58y620c14d0142bed3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101215106.13661.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>



Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
> Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
>   Thanks.
>   JM

No address for the hosses! :-))

Rushden is not available as a detailed image, but the nag's field and
the airfield are, probably because they are mainly in Bedfordshire,
not Northants, The field where the horses are is the northernmost
point of Bedfordshire, the county border runs round 3 sides of the
property.

Try NN9 6AJ as a postcode, that gets you to the centre of Chelveston.
Follow the main road off to the right for 1 mile exactly and look for
two fields on the right of the road. The airfield is south of the
fields, if you get that postcode up and set the view to 7500ft, you
can get the fields in at the right of the picture and Chelvestion on
the left in the same image.

I can't find a way of saving a location that I have found.
  **  Previous "searchs" are retained as files on a "drop down" below the search line, it that is what you mean by "saving".
  JM

Peter
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 13:55:07 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:55:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Years Fire Up
Message-ID: <43B84FBB.8080908@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got these online. Enjoy!!
http://www.frapa.us/NY.html

Jeff

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transteck at earthlink.net
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 14:29:30 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:29:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011345h24743962w9e4ef07c89288501@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101222930.41315.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

** Our emails crossed paths in mid-ocean, I  guess.  As written, your code worked OK.  Were you able to  locate me using my zip?
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:

>
> The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.
>  ** That is correct. As you explore G/E, you will notice that certain  areas of the world (more populated, for example) are more "detailed",  so to speak. A neat feature allows you to "outline" buildings in major  cities, too. Again, your latitude/longitude specs did not work (for me  at least). If you give something along the lines of an address, that  would help.
>   Jm

Did you try the Postcode I gave in my last email?  Maybe these only
work if you're in that country?

UK postcodes work straight off with no additional info, just as I
assume a Zip Code would for you.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  1 14:26:05 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:26:05 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ....for those who care
Message-ID: <000801c60f22$5e85f5a0$e0298795@ogborneuah38i3>

An interesting piece of news ...American motor car and tractor manufacturers 
are now redesigning the seats . It seems that the arses are getting broader! 
Too much Mc Donald's !
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan  1 15:59:06 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:59:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth
Message-ID: <20060101235852.EYXJ19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

For those of you with Google Earth try this one, it is the R&V factory :)
To use the link just have GE running and double click on the attachment.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  1 16:14:16 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:14:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
References: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002401c60f31$7b6c5830$40148795@ogborneuah38i3>

Arnie.....perhaps if you are like me and cleared some of the stuff from just 
inside the doorway then things would be better!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Slick Willy" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch 
> of
> "Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).
>
> There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & 
> Stratton to a
> vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)
>
> In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.
>
> I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer 
> of
> stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, 
> and
> something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let 
> me
> take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an 
> otherwise
> genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))
>
> Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it 
> will
> take to get all the stuff listed.
>
> Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> eBay: hit_n_miss
>
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> 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Jan  1 16:30:55 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:30:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
	<003a01c60edc$0bad0440$0b151941@pengy>
	<000b01c60ee8$2b9da0f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <001c01c60f33$cb76ff40$0b151941@pengy>

Bidding has stalled at only $103.  Certainly the list isn't going to let a 
steam guy win the auction?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> Wow are they bidding on Dave or the maytag ? if his picture can bring that
> kind of cash we should kidnap him and put the real thing up for bid :-)
>
> Rex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
>
>
>> Now it looks like a steam guy is in the lead!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jan  1 16:56:17 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:56:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
Message-ID: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>

If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't taken during a show.
J.B. Castagnos 
Belle Rose, LA
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan  1 17:30:16 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:30:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>

JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't taken during a show.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>Belle Rose, LA
>  
>
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From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Sun Jan  1 17:41:04 2006
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:41:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
Message-ID: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>

Hi everyone,
                   I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?

thanks guys,
                 Adam


Dear Adam Cottrill, 

PayPal, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are preparing to introduce PayPal Australia Pty. Limited ABN 93 11 195 389 ('PayPal Australia') a PayPal group company incorporated in Australia, as the service provider for PayPal customers in Australia. 

This is a positive development that will help us to provide our Australian customers with improved localised services going forward. 

We anticipate that PayPal Australia will begin operating on 2 February 2006. 

Please note no action will be necessary on your part. You will be able to continue using your PayPal account as you do today. 


Your existing relationship 

Until PayPal Australia begins operating in February 2006, your customer relationship continues to be with PayPal, Inc. (a US company), under the PayPal User Agreement which is governed by Californian law. 


A new customer relationship 

With the introduction of our new Australian company, your customer relationship will automatically be transferred to PayPal Australia which we anticipate will occur on 2 February 2006. At that time we will introduce minor consequential changes to the User Agreement and its incorporated policies and the Privacy Policy, similar to the current agreements and with no adverse amendments from our customers' perspective but without US-specific references and modified to comply with Australian financial services and consumer protection requirements. 

PayPal Australia will provide the PayPal service to you under an intermediary authorisation agreement, pursuant to section 911A(2)(b) of the Corporations Act 2001, with PayPal, Inc. which currently holds an Australian financial services licence (No. 283443) 

If you do not wish to hold a PayPal Australia account and would prefer to continue your relationship with PayPal, Inc., you may only do so if you are a resident in the United States and your primary address in your PayPal account, as of 2 February 2006, is a legitimate postal address within the United States. 

If your primary address is not in the United States and you do not wish to receive services from PayPal Australia, you may close your account at any time, either before or after the transition. To do so, log in to your PayPal account and click 'Profile' to access the relevant link. 

Once the transition from PayPal, Inc. to PayPal Australia occurs, we will post updated versions of our User Agreement, policies and Privacy Policy to our Web site. Should you have any questions about these upcoming prior to 2 February 2006, please contact Customer Support by email or telephone by logging in to your PayPal account. 

Yours sincerely, 

PayPal, Inc.



From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Jan  1 17:43:00 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:43:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ....for those who care
In-Reply-To: <000801c60f22$5e85f5a0$e0298795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <200601020143.k021hG9L065134@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Unfortunately, that's true.  I might add, however, not enough exercise also
figures into the equation.  

I care.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:26 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT ....for those who care

An interesting piece of news ...American motor car and tractor manufacturers

are now redesigning the seats . It seems that the arses are getting broader!

Too much Mc Donald's !
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 





From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 17:42:24 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:42:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43B88500.8080409@earthlink.net>

Hi Tommy,

You're not doing anything wrong. I get the same results for my house. I 
can recognize the house barely, and a couple cars on the block, but the 
resolution when I zoom is not very good.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
> type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings 
> it up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really 
> tell what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 17:49:26 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:49:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20060102014926.8573.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

TT-
 Captures of lesser populated areas are  much less distinct than ,let's say, Wall Street in Manhattan.   I've never been to Magnolia, Kentucky, but I am guessing that it is a  smaller town.  Try a neighboring larger city (Lexington, for  example) and see if the resolution does not come up in a superior way.
  JM

Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:  JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>If  you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland  fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it  wasn't taken during a show.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>Belle Rose, LA
>  
>
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Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. 

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan  1 17:56:40 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:56:40 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20060102015626.GTAY19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Tommy,
	You are not doing anything wrong it is just that your part of the
world is not in hi-res. A lot of the area is not in hi-res but when you get
a hi-resolution area the detail is fantastic.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland
fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't
taken during a show.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>Belle Rose, LA
>  




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jan  1 18:05:08 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:05:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1.5 hp Lauson value
Message-ID: <00c501c60f40$f5724c70$a9d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

By an unpleasant turn of events I have a chance to make an offer on a 1.5 hp 
Lauson with dishpan flywheels. The engine is complete except for fuel tank 
and skids. It has sat outside for many years and was completely locked up. 
At present it has been completely dissasembled. Nothing appears broken but a 
lot of new pices will be required--including a completely rebuilt mag--this 
one didn't have the brass plates on it--what a mess can the weather can 
make. Anyone care to take a guess at its value?

Feel free to reply off-list
John Hall
jthall at worldnet.att.net




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan  1 18:27:41 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:27:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <20060102014926.8573.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060102014926.8573.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B88F9D.1030406@scrtc.com>

JM,

    I can't imagine the Metropolis of Magnolia not being in the high 
population areas!  We've got all of 500 people living here.  The next 
town east, Mt. Sherman, has only 75 and the next town south, Jonesville 
has only 50.  I thought we were BIG! (well, at least my county is part 
of a "metro" area..... )

Tommy Turner


>TT-
> Captures of lesser populated areas are  much less distinct than ,let's say, Wall Street in Manhattan.   I've never been to Magnolia, Kentucky, but I am guessing that it is a  smaller town.  Try a neighboring larger city (Lexington, for  example) and see if the resolution does not come up in a superior way.
>  JM
>  
>
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan  1 18:32:42 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Jan 2006 21:32:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For Sale: Heavy-Duty Iron Hauler Trailer
Message-ID: <1136169162.43b890caca5b0@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

For Sale: Heavy-duty trailer originally used to haul backhoe front loader. 
Suitable as old engine hauler. Deck is 75? wide x 176? long. Two mobile home 
axels, electric brakes, hand winch. Titled in PA. Inspection sticker is NOT 
current. Asking $550, but no reasonable offer refused. Photo at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/MVC-275F.jpg 

If you're interested or have any questions, please contact me OFF-LIST.
Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  1 18:38:03 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:38:03 +0800
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
References: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
Message-ID: <002401c60f45$91deb6d0$22228795@ogborneuah38i3>

Adam ....I would be very ,very wary, do you have to participate?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts


> Hi everyone,
>                   I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any 
> "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?
>
> thanks guys,
>                 Adam
>
>
> Dear Adam Cottrill,
>
> PayPal, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are preparing to introduce 
> PayPal Australia Pty. Limited ABN 93 11 195 389 ('PayPal Australia') a 
> PayPal group company incorporated in Australia, as the service provider 
> for PayPal customers in Australia.
>
> This is a positive development that will help us to provide our Australian 
> customers with improved localised services going forward.
>
> We anticipate that PayPal Australia will begin operating on 2 February 
> 2006.
>
> Please note no action will be necessary on your part. You will be able to 
> continue using your PayPal account as you do today.
>
>
> Your existing relationship
>
> Until PayPal Australia begins operating in February 2006, your customer 
> relationship continues to be with PayPal, Inc. (a US company), under the 
> PayPal User Agreement which is governed by Californian law.
>
>
> A new customer relationship
>
> With the introduction of our new Australian company, your customer 
> relationship will automatically be transferred to PayPal Australia which 
> we anticipate will occur on 2 February 2006. At that time we will 
> introduce minor consequential changes to the User Agreement and its 
> incorporated policies and the Privacy Policy, similar to the current 
> agreements and with no adverse amendments from our customers' perspective 
> but without US-specific references and modified to comply with Australian 
> financial services and consumer protection requirements.
>
> PayPal Australia will provide the PayPal service to you under an 
> intermediary authorisation agreement, pursuant to section 911A(2)(b) of 
> the Corporations Act 2001, with PayPal, Inc. which currently holds an 
> Australian financial services licence (No. 283443)
>
> If you do not wish to hold a PayPal Australia account and would prefer to 
> continue your relationship with PayPal, Inc., you may only do so if you 
> are a resident in the United States and your primary address in your 
> PayPal account, as of 2 February 2006, is a legitimate postal address 
> within the United States.
>
> If your primary address is not in the United States and you do not wish to 
> receive services from PayPal Australia, you may close your account at any 
> time, either before or after the transition. To do so, log in to your 
> PayPal account and click 'Profile' to access the relevant link.
>
> Once the transition from PayPal, Inc. to PayPal Australia occurs, we will 
> post updated versions of our User Agreement, policies and Privacy Policy 
> to our Web site. Should you have any questions about these upcoming prior 
> to 2 February 2006, please contact Customer Support by email or telephone 
> by logging in to your PayPal account.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> PayPal, Inc.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jan  1 19:08:18 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:08:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1.5 hp Lauson value
Message-ID: <20060101.220845.560.7.jlb94@juno.com>

$150 - $200

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan  1 19:20:05 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:20:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
References: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
	<002401c60f45$91deb6d0$22228795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <018501c60f4b$6d8367d0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Don't know if this means anything but we have sold 3 items to Austrailian 
customers and they all were paid by pay Pal..

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts


> Adam ....I would be very ,very wary, do you have to participate?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:41 AM
> Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>                   I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any 
>> "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?
>>
>> thanks guys,
>>                 Adam
>>
>>
>> Dear Adam Cottrill,
>>
>> PayPal, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are preparing to introduce 
>> PayPal Australia Pty. Limited ABN 93 11 195 389 ('PayPal Australia') a 
>> PayPal group company incorporated in Australia, as the service provider 
>> for PayPal customers in Australia.
>>
>> This is a positive development that will help us to provide our 
>> Australian customers with improved localised services going forward.
>>
>> We anticipate that PayPal Australia will begin operating on 2 February 
>> 2006.
>>
>> Please note no action will be necessary on your part. You will be able to 
>> continue using your PayPal account as you do today.
>>
>>
>> Your existing relationship
>>
>> Until PayPal Australia begins operating in February 2006, your customer 
>> relationship continues to be with PayPal, Inc. (a US company), under the 
>> PayPal User Agreement which is governed by Californian law.
>>
>>
>> A new customer relationship
>>
>> With the introduction of our new Australian company, your customer 
>> relationship will automatically be transferred to PayPal Australia which 
>> we anticipate will occur on 2 February 2006. At that time we will 
>> introduce minor consequential changes to the User Agreement and its 
>> incorporated policies and the Privacy Policy, similar to the current 
>> agreements and with no adverse amendments from our customers' perspective 
>> but without US-specific references and modified to comply with Australian 
>> financial services and consumer protection requirements.
>>
>> PayPal Australia will provide the PayPal service to you under an 
>> intermediary authorisation agreement, pursuant to section 911A(2)(b) of 
>> the Corporations Act 2001, with PayPal, Inc. which currently holds an 
>> Australian financial services licence (No. 283443)
>>
>> If you do not wish to hold a PayPal Australia account and would prefer to 
>> continue your relationship with PayPal, Inc., you may only do so if you 
>> are a resident in the United States and your primary address in your 
>> PayPal account, as of 2 February 2006, is a legitimate postal address 
>> within the United States.
>>
>> If your primary address is not in the United States and you do not wish 
>> to receive services from PayPal Australia, you may close your account at 
>> any time, either before or after the transition. To do so, log in to your 
>> PayPal account and click 'Profile' to access the relevant link.
>>
>> Once the transition from PayPal, Inc. to PayPal Australia occurs, we will 
>> post updated versions of our User Agreement, policies and Privacy Policy 
>> to our Web site. Should you have any questions about these upcoming prior 
>> to 2 February 2006, please contact Customer Support by email or telephone 
>> by logging in to your PayPal account.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>>
>> PayPal, Inc.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jan  1 21:50:23 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 5:50:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
Message-ID: <4m3ac1$1qabqu5@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
> JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
> type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
> up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
> what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
The resolution is being upgraded on popular areas constantly. One day you and I may be able to see our houses.
J.B.


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jan  1 22:04:53 2006
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:04:53 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl><01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy>
	<BAY109-DAV45998C277CAE5EA4C5268BB280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <02f601c60f62$72f81370$210110ac@service>

Rick, the new way mixer i have copied for my 4.5hp is different to the 3.5hp
mixers you have shown, i dont know if all the 4.5hp ones are different, but
hopefully someone can tell us, thanks to your photos i have finished my fan
& shaft, cheers for now
Chester from West Aussie.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more pictures
of
> the mounting bracket.
>
>   Question please to all the New Way owners:
>
>  Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm going
to
> call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the side?
> Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of the
> mixer?
>
>   I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned
> straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the air
> rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low pressure
> area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create the
> "venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Well enuf fer now.
> Thanks
> RickinMt.
> PS:  Are there any decals available?
>
>
>
> > Rick,
> >
> >  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that
shows
> > the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of
the
> > part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> > passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I
> > could
> > possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
> >
> > Rick Rowlands
> > Tod Engine Works
> > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> > and nonferrous castings
> > 2261 Hubbard Road
> > Youngstown, OH  44505
> > 330-728-2799
> > Fax 330-759-1524
> > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 00:43:37 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:43:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
In-Reply-To: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
References: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601020043q473eb551w2f4788bf96d91e77@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/06, Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>                    I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?
>
> thanks guys,
>                  Adam

PayPal originally only has a US-based service, but the rules and
regulations for other countries meant that it was unable to comply
100% with those rules if it was to remain only in the USA.

PayPal has since set up localised centres of operation that are
stand-alone as far as the local financial services regulations go, and
while the overall operation is still controlled by the US offices, the
local centre will comply with whatever is required by the host
country.

We had the UK setup a couple of years ago, and to be quite frank it
made no difference at all with what we saw or used. You will notice
that PayPal does not allow you to continue with the USA-based
operation once the Oz-based setup is running, unless you are resident
in the USA.

Overall, they are complying with the Australian financial regulatory
system, so no worries.

One benefit will be that the Australian ebay market will start to ramp
up, as the biggest thing holding it back has been the problems with
getting payment to ebay vendors in the local currency. PayPal started
offering $AU payments some time ago to us and the US, once the system
is working in Australia it will make life a lot easier.

It does NOT relieve you of the need to remain VERY vigilant about
transactions and payments however!

Peter
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Jan  2 03:07:20 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:07:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000901c60f8c$b4745a00$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Jan  2 03:19:29 2006
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:19:29 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <000901c60f8c$b4745a00$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <4js9r6$fs5lcf@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>

Arrived here 10.07PM your time Edd
Ray
Perth
WA

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EDD PAYNE
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0263742387  
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jan  2 05:15:34 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:15:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl><01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy><BAY109-DAV45998C277CAE5EA4C5268BB280@phx.gbl>
	<02f601c60f62$72f81370$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2159FEAB8CA5A88F358133BB2D0@phx.gbl>

For Steve Royster...Steve, was your picture of the mixer off a 4 1/2 hp.? 
It doesn't match up with the one that I have for a pattern:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/474997344jgkWft

and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit next 
few a few more.

For Rick Rowlands...I've sent you an email with no reply Rick.  Would you 
contact me off list please?


Chester, I need to make some intake tube measurements to make sure that what 
I got, is what I want.

later,
RickinMt.
Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Rick, the new way mixer i have copied for my 4.5hp is different to the 
> 3.5hp
> mixers you have shown, i dont know if all the 4.5hp ones are different, 
> but
> hopefully someone can tell us, thanks to your photos i have finished my 
> fan
> & shaft, cheers for now
> Chester from West Aussie.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
>
>
> > Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more 
> > pictures
> of
> > the mounting bracket.
> >
> >   Question please to all the New Way owners:
> >
> >  Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm 
> > going
> to
> > call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the 
> > side?
> > Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of 
> > the
> > mixer?
> >
> >   I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned
> > straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the air
> > rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low pressure
> > area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create the
> > "venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
> > Well enuf fer now.
> > Thanks
> > RickinMt.
> > PS:  Are there any decals available?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > >  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that
> shows
> > > the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of
> the
> > > part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> > > passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I
> > > could
> > > possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
> > >
> > > Rick Rowlands
> > > Tod Engine Works
> > > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> > > and nonferrous castings
> > > 2261 Hubbard Road
> > > Youngstown, OH  44505
> > > 330-728-2799
> > > Fax 330-759-1524
> > > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  2 05:45:36 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:45:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2159FEAB8CA5A88F358133BB2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>

Hey Rick you better be careful using the pretty towels to set your parts on. 
I saw a dirt smudge on it in a couple of the pictures. You might want to 
hide that towel in the bottom of the laundry basket so you don't get beat 
about the head!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===================

>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>
>
>and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit next
>few a few more.
>
>
>later,
>RickinMt.
>Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jan  2 06:16:48 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:16:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV681BC95673E68CF29C077BB2D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Luke...oh she saw it allright but she knows better than to waste her 
time/effort/words of wisdom on an ole fart <vbg>.

  Probably would help if someone with a 4.5 hp could measure the OD of the 
long intake tube that slips inside the mixer.  The female end of mine 
measure 1 5/8 "...and possibly could taper down...need to get snap guage 
out.


later,
Rick






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Hey Rick you better be careful using the pretty towels to set your parts 
> on.
> I saw a dirt smudge on it in a couple of the pictures. You might want to
> hide that towel in the bottom of the laundry basket so you don't get beat
> about the head!
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ===================
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >
> >
> >and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit 
> >next
> >few a few more.
> >
> >
> >later,
> >RickinMt.
> >Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.
> >
>
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 07:10:47 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:10:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <20060101012200.34369.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c60fae$b66bebd0$7a39e204@OFFICELEW>

Or is it 2361 hours?  Hehehe!

Lew


RF-
  It is December 32nd.
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  At one minute
past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 07:35:49 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:35:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101222930.41315.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011345h24743962w9e4ef07c89288501@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101222930.41315.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601020735u18ec7976xa6959a6afc909fbd@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ** Our emails crossed paths in mid-ocean, I  guess.  As written, your code worked OK.  Were you able to  locate me using my zip?
>   JM
>

Yes, in fact it took the whole address as you typed it. That looks
'winterish' to me, compared with our summer shot of the horse's field>

Peter
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Jan  2 07:31:39 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Faultless Engines
In-Reply-To: <20060101232356.34558.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <254.4178489.30e9ac35@aol.com>
	<20060101232356.34558.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102095044.02a54de8@web1.nlenet.net>

I have been wandering around the Project Gutenberg books by Google
http://www.gutenberg.org/  All the books are free.
There are some Tractor, steam, and machinery related books on there.  Most 
are plane type and therefor no pictures, and very small files.  75K

Hint.  I found the plane type books to be much more readable if you open 
them in a word processor and pick a nicer type font.

Some of the books are in HTML format and therefor look like they did 
original including drawings and pictures.  Here is an example.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/images/150/013.jpg

Here are two books I have found interesting.  Let me know what you find.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/11368-h.htm
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 07:42:17 2006
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:42:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <002d01c60fae$b66bebd0$7a39e204@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <000001c60fb3$1d25b190$7074fd04@lyle0592c054dd>

Every one knows that it is the twenty-fifth month of 2004, and how did you
guys come up with 2005? It is a mystery to me. Of course I've always been a
little behind on a lot of things.
Lyle Myles

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:11 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT What time is it ?

Or is it 2361 hours?  Hehehe!

Lew


RF-
  It is December 32nd.
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  At one minute
past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 08:07:50 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:07:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
Message-ID: <410-2200611216750281@earthlink.net>

There were 2 different mixers for the 4 1/2 hp that I know of.  Some of
them bolted on to the lower crank case block and the other style was held
in place by the intake tube and gas line.  My only guess to this was a
design change due to the latter not being sucure enough.


Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas






From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan  2 08:36:51 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:36:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crank Up
Message-ID: <303eb4130eb733db11206d8aa357d573@chartertn.net>

Only thing I fired up for New Year's was Dolly Diesel, the Listeroid. I 
hadn't had her out and running in a good while, and had a lot of junk 
piled up in front that had to be moved. As I was pushing her out I saw 
Callie, my engine buddy, headed back from eating on the back deck to 
the neighboring dairy barn where she spends most of her time. I called 
her, and she came back. She looked a little puzzled at first, then 
recognized what was going on as I prepared to crank Dolly. She started 
loudly purring and "talking" to me like a mother cat does to her 
kittens.

The SAE 30 oil on top of the head to lube the valves had all leaked 
down past the valve stems into the combustion chamber, and that created 
a bit of trouble getting her going. She gurgled loudly through the open 
exhaust valve as I cranked her, and I kept her spinning till I felt 
enough of the oil had been ejected that I wouldn't get a solid 
hydraulic lock on letting the exhaust valve close. There was enough oil 
in the chamber to raise the compression ratio to a level I couldn't 
spin past compression, still. It'd stop the flywheels and bounce back. 
I spun her some more with the exhaust valve held open, and got enough 
oil pumped out that I was just able to get her to spin over and fire, 
and she sped up normally with a great cloud of white smoke from the 
exhaust. (If that hadn't worked, I'd've opened the compression 
changeover valve to lower the compression ratio. Maybe I should've 
tried it sooner.)

The 230V bathroom heater I rescued from curbside a few years ago as a 
load for Dolly's generator wouldn't come on, so I let her just idle for 
a few hours, slobbering out a terrible mess of sticky jet black oil 
from the exhaust. Keeping a moderate load on prevents that. I did test 
the generator to make sure it's generating, by spinning up my bench 
grinder with the 120V output. Looks like that heater's going back to 
the curb. Else I may just completely bypass the thermostat in it to run 
the fan and heater continuously, which would really be better as an 
engine load, anyway.

While Dolly was running, I fired up my gas powered turkey fryer with 
the big cast iron pot and melted down 250 lbs or so of scrap lead to 
make ingots for future bullet casting. Ladeled it out into cast iron 
corn stick moulds, from which it dropped out as shiny silver-colored 
ears of corn. If any future archeologists find some of my ingots, 
they'll really wonder about those. Callie stuck around close while I 
was doing the melting, hopping up and snuggling in my lap while I 
waited for the burner to do its work.

Jane said it was good to hear Dolly running again. :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From don.h at wcoil.com  Mon Jan  2 09:36:58 2006
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:36:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>

Hey Judge am I spotting a Still in your back yard?????
Don
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland


> JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I type 
> in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it up but 
> I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell what 
> you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland 
>>fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't 
>>taken during a show.
>>J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA
>>
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From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan  2 09:43:51 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:43:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: New Year's Crank Up
References: <303eb4130eb733db11206d8aa357d573@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <009901c60fc4$18baa690$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

I started my "M" which ran well enough but  a stuck discharge valve check 
ball put a stop to it. I'll blow it loose with air when I get the time.

Skip
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From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
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Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: New Year's Crank Up


> Only thing I fired up for New Year's was Dolly Diesel, the Listeroid. I 
> hadn't had her out and running in a good while, and had a lot of junk 
> piled up in front that had to be moved. As I was pushing her out I saw 
> Callie, my engine buddy, headed back from eating on the back deck to the 
> neighboring dairy barn where she spends most of her time. I called her, 
> and she came back. She looked a little puzzled at first, then recognized 
> what was going on as I prepared to crank Dolly. She started loudly purring 
> and "talking" to me like a mother cat does to her kittens.
>
> The SAE 30 oil on top of the head to lube the valves had all leaked down 
> past the valve stems into the combustion chamber, and that created a bit 
> of trouble getting her going. She gurgled loudly through the open exhaust 
> valve as I cranked her, and I kept her spinning till I felt enough of the 
> oil had been ejected that I wouldn't get a solid hydraulic lock on letting 
> the exhaust valve close. There was enough oil in the chamber to raise the 
> compression ratio to a level I couldn't spin past compression, still. It'd 
> stop the flywheels and bounce back. I spun her some more with the exhaust 
> valve held open, and got enough oil pumped out that I was just able to get 
> her to spin over and fire, and she sped up normally with a great cloud of 
> white smoke from the exhaust. (If that hadn't worked, I'd've opened the 
> compression changeover valve to lower the compression ratio. Maybe I 
> should've tried it sooner.)
>
> The 230V bathroom heater I rescued from curbside a few years ago as a load 
> for Dolly's generator wouldn't come on, so I let her just idle for a few 
> hours, slobbering out a terrible mess of sticky jet black oil from the 
> exhaust. Keeping a moderate load on prevents that. I did test the 
> generator to make sure it's generating, by spinning up my bench grinder 
> with the 120V output. Looks like that heater's going back to the curb. 
> Else I may just completely bypass the thermostat in it to run the fan and 
> heater continuously, which would really be better as an engine load, 
> anyway.
>
> While Dolly was running, I fired up my gas powered turkey fryer with the 
> big cast iron pot and melted down 250 lbs or so of scrap lead to make 
> ingots for future bullet casting. Ladeled it out into cast iron corn stick 
> moulds, from which it dropped out as shiny silver-colored ears of corn. If 
> any future archeologists find some of my ingots, they'll really wonder 
> about those. Callie stuck around close while I was doing the melting, 
> hopping up and snuggling in my lap while I waited for the burner to do its 
> work.
>
> Jane said it was good to hear Dolly running again. :-)
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From svsuzanne at copper.net  Mon Jan  2 09:51:37 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:51:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
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g'day Edd
Dan Richardson
USA
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  2 10:21:56 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:21:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
Message-ID: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>

I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart the 
fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran fine 
after that. Pictures here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Jan  2 11:22:46 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:22:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
Message-ID: <001b01c60fd1$e9ef6680$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where the bears have gone to sleep
for the winter).

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  2 10:36:23 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:36:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
	<004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <43B972A7.9010901@scrtc.com>

Don, that's how I'm paying for my next hunk of iron!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> Hey Judge am I spotting a Still in your back yard?????
> Don
>




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan  2 11:20:17 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:20:17 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
References: <001b01c60fd1$e9ef6680$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c60fd1$91a13300$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto


Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant

Hi Charlie, It used to be dotto at micron.net a while ago.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From don.h at wcoil.com  Mon Jan  2 11:38:08 2006
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:38:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com><004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<43B972A7.9010901@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <001901c60fd4$0f0420d0$6400a8c0@number1>

Thats a good judge bet them ole engine just pur on the drippins
Last little engine show I had out back to keep a young fellow busy I sat up 
my M and belted a grinder to it he ran corn thrugh it over and over I put 
everthing away except his little tub of corn gridn!s it rained and the next 
day there was all kinds of bubbling going on in that tub Heck I  should had 
gotten some copper tubing out ???
have a good year judge Don in Ohio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland


> Don, that's how I'm paying for my next hunk of iron!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>> Hey Judge am I spotting a Still in your back yard?????
>> Don
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Jan  2 12:26:57 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:26:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Free engine related books on the web
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102152547.029de9d8@web1.nlenet.net>

I have been wandering around the Project Gutenberg books by Google
http://www.gutenberg.org/  All the books are free.
There are some Tractor, steam, and machinery related books on there.  Most 
are plane type and therefor no pictures, and very small files.  75K

Hint.  I found the plane type books to be much more readable if you open 
them in a word processor and pick a nicer type font.

Some of the books are in HTML format and therefor look like they did 
original including drawings and pictures.  Here is an example.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/images/150/013.jpg

Here are two books I have found interesting.  Let me know what you find.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/11368-h.htm
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164

I posted this with the wrong subject, this is a repost.

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  2 13:53:57 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:53:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B9A0F5.6060009@wightman.ca>

You had more ambition than I had this year Luke. I  walked by an engine, 
contemplated, and then kept walking. :-)

Duncan

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart 
> the fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran 
> fine after that. Pictures here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Jan  2 13:06:42 2006
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:06:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy
Message-ID: <00aa01c60fe0$6e665910$6501a8c0@Shop>

Where can I find a serial number list for an Economy, 2 1/2 horse type A?

Thanks
Dave E



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Jan  2 17:32:46 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:32:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy
References: <00aa01c60fe0$6e665910$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <000701c61005$9bb02110$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Try here if you haven't already
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/index.htm

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] Economy


> Where can I find a serial number list for an Economy, 2 1/2 horse type A?
> 
> Thanks
> Dave E
> 
>  



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 16:00:56 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:00:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
In-Reply-To: <001b01c60fd1$e9ef6680$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <200601030001.k03013Qx037273@mail-gw.fsr.net>

I know Dave.  He's still active in engines, but I think he keeps himself
busy in his shop doing custom machining, besides having a full-time job.  

I'm reminded of Dave every time I go into my shop.  He sold me a beauty of a
lathe a few years back.  

Dave has one of the most spectacular John Deere 1?-h.p. engines, anywhere.
When he restored it he knew it was common as dirt; so, to make it uncommon
he put a finish on it that will rival anything you'll ever see in a car
show.  Dave never does anything less than first class.  

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R
Bryant
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:23 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto

Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where the bears have gone to sleep
for the winter).





From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 16:09:59 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:09:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke? 

I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
on the farm.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:22 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up

I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart the 
fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran fine 
after that. Pictures here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA


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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 16:27:57 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:27:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601020735u18ec7976xa6959a6afc909fbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060103002757.56647.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>



Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
>  ** Our emails crossed paths in mid-ocean, I guess. As written, your  code worked OK. Were you able to locate me using my zip?
>   JM
>

Yes, in fact it took the whole address as you typed it. That looks
'winterish' to me, compared with our summer shot of the horse's field>
  **  Based upon the dirty/gray of the fields and the fact that the  creek is swollen over its banks, I would say that the image of my house  is from the month of  March or early April.  Note that the  winter cover is on the pool.  Did you also look at 60 Golden Road  where the hit'n-m is located?
  JM

Peter
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From asouth at strato.net  Mon Jan  2 16:34:45 2006
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:34:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic     Better Late Than Never
Message-ID: <006401c60ffd$7fb46870$3500a8c0@ARTHUR>



Happy New Year!

Arthur & Deana








Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  2 18:43:52 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:43:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <43B9E4E8.9050009@wightman.ca>

Hey Orrin,
I got a CA here. One of the nicest tractors I have ever had.

Duncan

Orrin Iseminger wrote:

>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke? 
>
>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>on the farm.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.   
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
>Tonneberger
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:22 AM
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
>
>I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart the 
>fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran fine 
>after that. Pictures here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>
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Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From reb at apex.net  Mon Jan  2 18:36:11 2006
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:36:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crank Up
References: <303eb4130eb733db11206d8aa357d573@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002701c6100e$7654e6e0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Fired up a JD I have been working on and let it run several hours.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crank Up


> Only thing I fired up for New Year's was Dolly Diesel, the Listeroid. I 
> hadn't had her out and running in a good while, and had a lot of junk 
> piled up in front that had to be moved. As I was pushing her out I saw 
> Callie, my engine buddy, headed back from eating on the back deck to 
> the neighboring dairy barn where she spends most of her time. I called 
> her, and she came back. She looked a little puzzled at first, then 
> recognized what was going on as I prepared to crank Dolly. She started 
> loudly purring and "talking" to me like a mother cat does to her 
> kittens.
> 
> The SAE 30 oil on top of the head to lube the valves had all leaked 
> down past the valve stems into the combustion chamber, and that created 
> a bit of trouble getting her going. She gurgled loudly through the open 
> exhaust valve as I cranked her, and I kept her spinning till I felt 
> enough of the oil had been ejected that I wouldn't get a solid 
> hydraulic lock on letting the exhaust valve close. There was enough oil 
> in the chamber to raise the compression ratio to a level I couldn't 
> spin past compression, still. It'd stop the flywheels and bounce back. 
> I spun her some more with the exhaust valve held open, and got enough 
> oil pumped out that I was just able to get her to spin over and fire, 
> and she sped up normally with a great cloud of white smoke from the 
> exhaust. (If that hadn't worked, I'd've opened the compression 
> changeover valve to lower the compression ratio. Maybe I should've 
> tried it sooner.)
> 
> The 230V bathroom heater I rescued from curbside a few years ago as a 
> load for Dolly's generator wouldn't come on, so I let her just idle for 
> a few hours, slobbering out a terrible mess of sticky jet black oil 
> from the exhaust. Keeping a moderate load on prevents that. I did test 
> the generator to make sure it's generating, by spinning up my bench 
> grinder with the 120V output. Looks like that heater's going back to 
> the curb. Else I may just completely bypass the thermostat in it to run 
> the fan and heater continuously, which would really be better as an 
> engine load, anyway.
> 
> While Dolly was running, I fired up my gas powered turkey fryer with 
> the big cast iron pot and melted down 250 lbs or so of scrap lead to 
> make ingots for future bullet casting. Ladeled it out into cast iron 
> corn stick moulds, from which it dropped out as shiny silver-colored 
> ears of corn. If any future archeologists find some of my ingots, 
> they'll really wonder about those. Callie stuck around close while I 
> was doing the melting, hopping up and snuggling in my lap while I 
> waited for the burner to do its work.
> 
> Jane said it was good to hear Dolly running again. :-)
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  2 19:57:57 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:57:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
In-Reply-To: <200601030001.k03013Qx037273@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <008101c61019$e25bc650$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Hi Charlie

Yes I'm still on the list and still playing with engines and models. I
pretty much stay in lurk mode but read most all of the postings. I keep
telling my self that I need to be more active on the list but never seem to
get it done. 
I have met some great and helpful people over the years from the SEL list.

Orrin is too kind with his complements, but he is correct about the full
time job, family and shop work that keep me pretty busy. 

Good to hear from you guys.

Dave 

P.S. Orrin I have herd rumblings about a newly finished model??

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin
Iseminger
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:01 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Dave Otto

I know Dave.  He's still active in engines, but I think he keeps himself
busy in his shop doing custom machining, besides having a full-time job.  

I'm reminded of Dave every time I go into my shop.  He sold me a beauty of a
lathe a few years back.  

Dave has one of the most spectacular John Deere 1?-h.p. engines, anywhere.
When he restored it he knew it was common as dirt; so, to make it uncommon
he put a finish on it that will rival anything you'll ever see in a car
show.  Dave never does anything less than first class.  

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R
Bryant
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:23 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto

Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where the bears have gone to sleep
for the winter).



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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Mon Jan  2 20:08:08 2006
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:08:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2006
In-Reply-To: <002d01c60e14$80b777c0$9b316854@Sixmjohn>
References: <002d01c60e14$80b777c0$9b316854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <43B9F8A8.8030504@zoominternet.net>

Ria,

We have never met, as I only knew John through his postings.  I believe 
I speak for the hundreds of other SEL members when I say, if you or your 
family needs anything whatsoever, feel free to post it and we will make 
every attempt to help you. 

Ed

John Hammink wrote:

>Thanks for all the mails and cards of sympathy you send us
>after John's death.
>
>I wish you all a happy and healthy New Year.
>
>Ria Hammink
>
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>  
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 21:22:05 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:22:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <43B9E4E8.9050009@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <200601030522.k035MFBW087865@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Duncan, you lucky guy.  I'd dearly love to get my hands on a CA, but in
these rolling Palouse hills wheel tractors were almost unheard of until the
big Steigers and their clones came on the scene.  

For the life of me, I don't know how my C ever found its way out here.  But,
I'm not complaining.  :-)  

I have to agree with you.  The CA is a mighty nice tractor.  A friend of
mine restored one and let me drive it in a parade.  He almost had to pry me
off it, afterwards.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Denman
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up

Hey Orrin,
I got a CA here. One of the nicest tractors I have ever had.

Duncan

Orrin Iseminger wrote:

>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke? 
>
>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>on the farm.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.   




From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 21:35:43 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:35:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
In-Reply-To: <008101c61019$e25bc650$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <200601030536.k035Zqf2022433@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Yes, Dave, I'm almost done with a Heinrici, needing only to add some
pinstriping and make a suitable base for it.  Now that the holidays are
behind us, I hope to wrap it up and get started on another.  My summer's
projects are the last three on this page:

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/PnE_Menu.htm

I'm still piddling with the fourth one on the list, having made several
modifications, recently.  

It's good to hear from you, Dave.  Here's hoping we'll make it to Cambridge,
this year.  

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Otto
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:58 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Dave Otto

Hi Charlie

Yes I'm still on the list and still playing with engines and models. I
pretty much stay in lurk mode but read most all of the postings. I keep
telling my self that I need to be more active on the list but never seem to
get it done. 
I have met some great and helpful people over the years from the SEL list.

Orrin is too kind with his complements, but he is correct about the full
time job, family and shop work that keep me pretty busy. 

Good to hear from you guys.

Dave 

P.S. Orrin I have herd rumblings about a newly finished model??

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net





From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Tue Jan  3 02:03:07 2006
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:03:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4hp Austral Valve Cage
Message-ID: <30231044.1136282587631.JavaMail.root@web04ps>

Hi guys,
           does anyone know or have a 4hp Austral Valve Cage for sale? it is badly needed to complete a restoration.

Many thanks and kind regads,
                                          Adam


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 04:06:36 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:06:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F42963157C4251C8D0522EC82C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Orrin,

It is a 1940 Allis B. Has a hand crank only, no starter. I mainly use it to 
plow our 450 foot driveway in the winter time. It's a great tractor except 
for the funky blue boat seat on it. I picked up the bottom portion of a 
bench seat this year at Portland. I just need to find the back rest portion 
of the seat for a reasonable price. Here are a couple better pictures of it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/tractor.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===============

>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>
>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke?
>
>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>on the farm.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 06:04:29 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:04:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <410-2200611216750281@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9082D83DEA74B0BD78753BB2C0@phx.gbl>

Appreciate the info Tim!  Now I just need to find the info that's under the 
brazing/welding. Looks to be a "Patent Applied for Date" or fascimile.

later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> There were 2 different mixers for the 4 1/2 hp that I know of.  Some of
> them bolted on to the lower crank case block and the other style was held
> in place by the intake tube and gas line.  My only guess to this was a
> design change due to the latter not being sucure enough.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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> 


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jan  3 09:15:07 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:15:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F42963157C4251C8D0522EC82C0@phx.gbl>
References: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060103091235.01c2b770@mail.pennswoods.net>

Luke being that is was yellow it is not an industrial by chance. It looks 
good now.Do you really get snow in Michigan i thought it was like Florida 
up there.

R Fink
PA





At 12:06 PM 1/3/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Orrin,
>
>It is a 1940 Allis B. Has a hand crank only, no starter. I mainly use it 
>to plow our 450 foot driveway in the winter time. It's a great tractor 
>except for the funky blue boat seat on it. I picked up the bottom portion 
>of a bench seat this year at Portland. I just need to find the back rest 
>portion of the seat for a reasonable price. Here are a couple better 
>pictures of it:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/tractor.html
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>===============
>
>>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>>
>>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke?
>>
>>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>>on the farm.
>>
>>Orrin
>>
>>Orrin Iseminger
>>Colton, Washington, USA
>>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>>So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 06:54:10 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:54:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060103091235.01c2b770@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F10B9FB9214EF9EC924F267C82C0@phx.gbl>

It's orange not yellow. Maybe the color is a little off in the pictures. 
There is no snow to speak of right now. It's supposed to be on its way in 
the next couple days.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>
>Luke being that is was yellow it is not an industrial by chance. It looks 
>good now.Do you really get snow in Michigan i thought it was like Florida 
>up there.
>
>R Fink
>PA
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Jan  3 08:45:19 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:45:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F42963157C4251C8D0522EC82C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200601031645.k03GjO0W021892@mail-gw.fsr.net>

That's a neat looking plowing rig, Luke.  It must save a whole lot of wear
and tear on your snow shovel, to say nothing about your back.  :-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:07 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: RE: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up

Hi Orrin,

It is a 1940 Allis B. Has a hand crank only, no starter. I mainly use it to 
plow our 450 foot driveway in the winter time. It's a great tractor except 
for the funky blue boat seat on it. I picked up the bottom portion of a 
bench seat this year at Portland. I just need to find the back rest portion 
of the seat for a reasonable price. Here are a couple better pictures of it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/tractor.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA





From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jan  3 09:34:26 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:34:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <002001c61077$53491950$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe>
Message-ID: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy New Year...

My 2006 Year started out great.  We had a small get together in Sandwich
IL with several other engine friends on Jan 1.  We had 3 model engines and
my project (along with the other engines in the my friends new shop).  

The project was a 3hp Independent Harvester Pull Rod Engine.  I purchased
the stuck engine at an auction several years ago and it sat in the back of
my garage for the past few years.  I would spray stuck parts on it from
time to time.  This time, I decided to load it into the back of the truck
and take it out to the get together...  after 2 hours, we got the head off
and 10 minutes later, the piston was out.  More time was spent getting the
other stuck parts loose.  

It was a fun day it sounds like it might be a monthly thing to do during
the winter now... Bring a project and have fun.  I didn't run any of my
engines, but this was just as enjoyable.

Pictures (and a few other gems shown)at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm

Oh Yeah, there are a few other pics on the page that I took that night as
I had to assist another collector with a computer problem...

Steve


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 09:58:26 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:58:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F25A6A8435F4E3619149F35C82C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Steve,

Did you look up that patent number on the USPTO website from the Howe Engine 
tag? Some good drawings on the patent that show the engine.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>
>Pictures (and a few other gems shown)at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
>           http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
>                       stevebarr at ameritech.net
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan  3 09:41:35 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:41:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

WOW, there was some really nice iron at that little get together.
That 4 hp Foos is downright gorgeous.

That "Mystery Engine Tag" for the Howe Engine from Middletown, Ohio
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006NewYearDay/30.jpg
is really interesting.  Take a look at that 10-page patent (#658,594
issued September 25, 1900).  It's a REALLY neat sideshaft engine.
I took a look in the GEM index and didn't run across any references to a
Howe engine.  Has anyone else seen or heard of one?  It has a pretty
unique and interesting configuration (based on the patent drawings).

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Congrats on getting your Independent Harvester unstuck.  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Steve Barr wrote:

> My 2006 Year started out great.  We had a small get together in Sandwich
> IL with several other engine friends on Jan 1.  We had 3 model engines and
> my project (along with the other engines in the my friends new shop).



From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 10:23:49 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:23:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F11C55A53B66982F2DE247FE72C0@phx.gbl>

Well folks "IT RUNS"!!

Bill didn't start any fly engines for New Years, however he did start his 
1946 GMC "project" pickup truck after it sat "dormant" for 31 years.  Then 
yesterday he actually had it moving under it's own power for a "short" run 
down the drive way.

Of course this is after 1 year of intensive labor and infusion of $6,000+.

Happy New Year to all.

Peg Pfeiffer




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan  3 10:52:44 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:52:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] mystery tag
Message-ID: <268.3775795.30ec21fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
stevebarr at ameritech.net writes:

<< http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm >>

Steve,

Enter the mystery tag patent number at the patent office.  There are 10 pages 
of drawings and specifications of the engine and how each part interacts with 
the other.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 11:05:42 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:05:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity aution payment
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3357F11959216E87048B32C72C0@phx.gbl>

I sold a calendar on the ATIS Charity Auction.  Where should the buyer send 
the payment?




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Jan  3 13:22:39 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Witte help
Message-ID: <43BAEB1F.9010200@insulate.co.uk>

Ho Folks

I just had this email from a fellow Brit ... if anyone can help him, 
please "Reply All" as I've copied him on this.  He's not on the List, 
but I did give him instructions for joining.

Thanks!
Dolly

******************************
My name is Michael Brown from England. 
 
I have a Witte 5hp engine dating about 1923 and I wonder if you could 
let me know what alternative spark plug I can use instead of "autolite" 
and where I might be able to purchase this from.
 
**********************************

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Jan  3 13:35:41 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:35:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200601032136.k03LZq8V007086@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Thank you for showing us some great pictures, Steve.  That 4 h.p. Foos is a
beauty and your pictures do it justice.  Good job!

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barr
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:34 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day

Happy New Year...

My 2006 Year started out great.  We had a small get together in Sandwich
IL with several other engine friends on Jan 1.  We had 3 model engines and
my project (along with the other engines in the my friends new shop).  

The project was a 3hp Independent Harvester Pull Rod Engine.  I purchased
the stuck engine at an auction several years ago and it sat in the back of
my garage for the past few years.  I would spray stuck parts on it from
time to time.  This time, I decided to load it into the back of the truck
and take it out to the get together...  after 2 hours, we got the head off
and 10 minutes later, the piston was out.  More time was spent getting the
other stuck parts loose.  

It was a fun day it sounds like it might be a monthly thing to do during
the winter now... Bring a project and have fun.  I didn't run any of my
engines, but this was just as enjoyable.

Pictures (and a few other gems shown)at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm

Oh Yeah, there are a few other pics on the page that I took that night as
I had to assist another collector with a computer problem...

Steve


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 14:21:57 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2159FEAB8CA5A88F358133BB2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F13AFF7F7324B2BB4BB397A952C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick, Mine is a 3-1/2 hp! Steve


>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
>Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:15:34 -0700
>
>For Steve Royster...Steve, was your picture of the mixer off a 4 1/2 hp.?
>It doesn't match up with the one that I have for a pattern:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/474997344jgkWft
>
>and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit next
>few a few more.
>
>For Rick Rowlands...I've sent you an email with no reply Rick.  Would you
>contact me off list please?
>
>
>Chester, I need to make some intake tube measurements to make sure that 
>what
>I got, is what I want.
>
>later,
>RickinMt.
>Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
>
>
> > Rick, the new way mixer i have copied for my 4.5hp is different to the
> > 3.5hp
> > mixers you have shown, i dont know if all the 4.5hp ones are different,
> > but
> > hopefully someone can tell us, thanks to your photos i have finished my
> > fan
> > & shaft, cheers for now
> > Chester from West Aussie.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
> >
> >
> > > Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more
> > > pictures
> > of
> > > the mounting bracket.
> > >
> > >   Question please to all the New Way owners:
> > >
> > >  Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm
> > > going
> > to
> > > call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the
> > > side?
> > > Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of
> > > the
> > > mixer?
> > >
> > >   I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned
> > > straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the 
>air
> > > rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low 
>pressure
> > > area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create 
>the
> > > "venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> > >
> > > Well enuf fer now.
> > > Thanks
> > > RickinMt.
> > > PS:  Are there any decals available?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > >
> > > >  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that
> > shows
> > > > the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior 
>of
> > the
> > > > part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> > > > passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which 
>I
> > > > could
> > > > possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Rowlands
> > > > Tod Engine Works
> > > > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> > > > and nonferrous castings
> > > > 2261 Hubbard Road
> > > > Youngstown, OH  44505
> > > > 330-728-2799
> > > > Fax 330-759-1524
> > > > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jan  3 15:17:13 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:17:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43BB05F9.4080103@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
    Yup, you've even seen one.  Its a Miami engine.  I had mine at 
Portland this year.  Look at this (poor quality) photo of my Miami 
engine tag and you'll notice the same patent number and date:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>That "Mystery Engine Tag" for the Howe Engine from Middletown, Ohio
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006NewYearDay/30.jpg
>is really interesting.  Take a look at that 10-page patent (#658,594
>issued September 25, 1900).  It's a REALLY neat sideshaft engine.
>I took a look in the GEM index and didn't run across any references to a
>Howe engine.  Has anyone else seen or heard of one?  It has a pretty
>unique and interesting configuration (based on the patent drawings).
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>  
>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Jan  3 15:51:50 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:51:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From foreign lands
Message-ID: <005901c610c0$ab7e3c60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi 

My son has just spent 6 months in Iraq with Army and in his patrols managed a couple of photos to share.  They are not of good quality as you can imagine.  But can anybody identify photo 411a and 631a.  If you copy them on to Paintshop or similar they blow up better.  I think they are a Petter but not sure.  They are at 

http://community.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl

Regards

Ron

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan  3 17:10:07 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:10:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From foreign lands
In-Reply-To: <005901c610c0$ab7e3c60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <005901c610c0$ab7e3c60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <aefe199b17ba422eb09522eade6e31ed@chartertn.net>

Sure looks like a Petter to me.

John

On Jan 3, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Ron Page wrote:

> Hi
>
> My son has just spent 6 months in Iraq with Army and in his patrols 
> managed a couple of photos to share.  They are not of good quality as 
> you can imagine.  But can anybody identify photo 411a and 631a.  If 
> you copy them on to Paintshop or similar they blow up better.  I think 
> they are a Petter but not sure.  They are at


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 17:18:09 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:18:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY108-F13AFF7F7324B2BB4BB397A952C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV774DF9FCD1C985243B03FBB2F0@phx.gbl>

Ok Thanks much Steve.  That clears up a bunch.
Rick




> Hi Rick, Mine is a 3-1/2 hp! Steve


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:20:04 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:20:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <43BB05F9.4080103@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F407A51618D4A2D1B073478C82F0@phx.gbl>

Here's a better picture of Tommy's tag.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port05/port57.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

================================

>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>Arnie,
>    Yup, you've even seen one.  Its a Miami engine.  I had mine at Portland 
>this year.  Look at this (poor quality) photo of my Miami engine tag and 
>you'll notice the same patent number and date:
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Jan  4 14:36:22 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:36:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: otto
References: <005201c60fd6$a78b9ac0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <008b01c6117f$4ae0c0c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Thanks guys for helping me get in contact with Dave. Its been at least
10 years since we last communicated.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: otto


> He is still playing.
> 
> Otto, Dave
> E-mail Address(es):
>   ddotto at qwest.net
> Personal Information:
>   Address:
>     3881N Lena Ave
> 
>     Boise Idaho 83713
>     usa
> 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/05
> 
> 


From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 17:27:30 2006
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:27:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: From foreign lands
Message-ID: <20060105012730.3166.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

I have an Indian G-G Automotive Gears manufactured "caste iron" clone
of the Petter 24-2 diesel engine and from looking at photo 411a, the
front of that engine appears to be the same as mine. The pictured
engine seems to be the 12-1 single cylinder twelve horsepower diesel.

Work and play safely!

Richard Allen


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jan  4 18:30:33 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: otto
References: <005201c60fd6$a78b9ac0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<008b01c6117f$4ae0c0c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <003401c611a4$af3c2120$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey, aint that wot the list is all about?  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Re: otto


> Thanks guys for helping me get in contact with Dave. Its been at least
> 10 years since we last communicated.




From rstreet at attglobal.net  Wed Jan  4 20:07:44 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:07:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patents
Message-ID: <20060105040747.7ABE130333B@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Several folks have asked questions about patents so I thought a little
lesson in U.S. patents might be helpful to some.

 

1)       Go to the Patent Office site and read the page on viewing patent
images. http://www.uspto.gov/patft/help/images.htm

2)       You will need to download a special viewer program for your
browser, because older patent information is only in image form (not text).

3)       You can do a patent number search by going to
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm and entering the number,

4)       Or use this link format:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=    and simply type
the patent number at the end. For example to view #738992, you would have
the link read http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=738992 

5)        Once the viewer is installed, on the landing page simply click on
"images" to view the patent.

 

If you are handy with Excel enter a bunch of patent numbers in one column
and then in the next column paste special>text
"http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=" with NO quotes.

If you move to the next line and this turns to a hyperlink simply use the
edit>undo command to remove the hyperlink. Copy this cell down in the column
for all the patent numbers on your list. In the next column use the
concatenate formula to join the cells. I.E. = A2&""&B2 . Copy this down the
column. Highlight all of that column then hit copy and then paste special
and check values. You can then activate the hyper links by pressing enter
for each cell. You now have a spreadsheet that you can build a database of
patents on and have it hyperlinked to the actual patent documents.

 

Rich Street

Gig Harbor, WA

http://www.rstreet.us/modela/

 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jan  5 02:45:15 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:45:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stover piston needed
Message-ID: <010520061045.29136.43BCF8BB000C98DA000071D021979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
Looking for a piston & connecting rod for a Stover CT2, 2 1/2hp.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From rstreet at attglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 09:18:10 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:18:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
Message-ID: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>

I am looking for any photos or information on Albert Champion Company
ignition items or company information (1905-1909). Ads, spark plugs,
magnetos, photos, literature, history, etc. Any and all information
appreciated. Digital copies preferred.

I will purchase if you wish to sell, or credit you as source for photos
and/or information. I am trying to gather more information for an article I
am writing.

Thanks,

Rich Street

Gig Harbor, WA

Email: rstreet at attglobal.net

 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan  5 09:40:16 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:40:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
References: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601051236090.19283@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rich,

You should contact...
   Spark Plug Collectors of America
   4262 Country Rd. 121
   Fulton, MO 65251-3836

Maybe even join; the annual membership is $15.00 which includes
the "IGNITER" newsletter four times a year.

Good luck with your information quest.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero-ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Rich Street wrote:

> I am looking for any photos or information on Albert Champion Company
> ignition items or company information (1905-1909). Ads, spark plugs,
> magnetos, photos, literature, history, etc. Any and all information
> appreciated. Digital copies preferred.
>
> I will purchase if you wish to sell, or credit you as source for photos
> and/or information. I am trying to gather more information for an article I
> am writing.
>
> Thanks, Rich Street
> Gig Harbor, WA
> Email: rstreet at attglobal.net



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan  5 10:11:40 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:11:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
References: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
Message-ID: <1624.165.206.180.19.1136484700.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

You mean the bicycle person who came over from France, started making and
selling spark plugs, formed the company, had a falling out with investors
who ended up with the company, then went on to found AC, correct? (AC
meaning Albert Champion)

Somewhere I've got a ton of info if it wasn't lost in a computer crash -
photos, articles, and even some stuff I wrote up back in the 90's when I
was doing a history on spark plugs.


Bill


> I am looking for any photos or information on Albert Champion Company
> ignition items or company information (1905-1909). Ads, spark plugs,
> magnetos, photos, literature, history, etc. Any and all information
> appreciated. Digital copies preferred.
>
> I will purchase if you wish to sell, or credit you as source for photos
> and/or information. I am trying to gather more information for an article
> I
> am writing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Street
>
> Gig Harbor, WA
>
> Email: rstreet at attglobal.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rstreet at attglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 10:18:09 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:18:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601051236090.19283@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c61224$65a51c80$4500a8c0@rstreet>

Arnie,
Thanks for Spark Plug Collectors suggestion. I am already a member and the
article I am gathering information for is for the Igniter. The folks at
SPCOA don't have discussion lists like this so I was hoping for a little
cross-fertilization ;-)
Rich Street
Gig Harbor, WA
Email: rstreet at attglobal.net




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan  5 12:13:33 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant & Rick Monk
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601051508320.19283@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Does anyone have a current email address for Charlie & Rick?

Please reply off-list.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 12:32:20 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:32:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
Message-ID: <43BD8254.2040709@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg

Now I know I won't forget to include the link. What model is it, and 
what's it worth. Has compression, but no spark. I'm trying to help a 
local guy. Original message below. Thanks,

Jeff

>I have a friend trying to sell a stationary engine.  It was apparently buried under grain for some time.... it has compression (90 lbs he says), but no spark.
>
>Any idea what something like this is worth?  He got it for doing some work, and now wants to sell it for the cash.  I'd sure like to see him get a decent price for it.. and it go to someone who will enjoy it.
>

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Jan  5 13:06:17 2006
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:06:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
In-Reply-To: <43BD8254.2040709@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200601051506439.SM00716@wrbpc>

Looks like a pretty nice 1.5 hp model E.  A very common engine, but there's
good demand for it.

Based upon recent eBay sales of the same model, I'd put it in the $500 -
$750 range.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:32 PM
To: Oldengine list
Cc: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions

Hi all,

http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg

Now I know I won't forget to include the link. What model is it, and what's
it worth. Has compression, but no spark. I'm trying to help a local guy.
Original message below. Thanks,

Jeff

>I have a friend trying to sell a stationary engine.  It was apparently
buried under grain for some time.... it has compression (90 lbs he says),
but no spark.
>
>Any idea what something like this is worth?  He got it for doing some work,
and now wants to sell it for the cash.  I'd sure like to see him get a
decent price for it.. and it go to someone who will enjoy it.
>

--
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/


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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan  5 15:38:14 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:38:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
Message-ID: <20060105.153815.1572.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jeff.  It looks more like a 3hp.  Around here it would bring $900- $
1,000.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:32:20 -0700 Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg
> 
> Now I know I won't forget to include the link. What model is it, and 
> 
> what's it worth. Has compression, but no spark. I'm trying to help a 
> 
> local guy. Original message below. Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> >I have a friend trying to sell a stationary engine.  It was 
> apparently buried under grain for some time.... it has compression 
> (90 lbs he says), but no spark.
> >
> >Any idea what something like this is worth?  He got it for doing 
> some work, and now wants to sell it for the cash.  I'd sure like to 
> see him get a decent price for it.. and it go to someone who will 
> enjoy it.


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 16:08:05 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:08:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for rustyiron4u
Message-ID: <009b01c61255$4525e7b0$230110ac@PAUL>

Looking for the name of the man whose E-bay name is rustyiron4u. He has an 
item on e-bay that I need for one of my engines and I have sent him (3) 
e-mails via the E-bay message board but have not heard back from him, I was 
going to try and contact him directly.

Thanks

Paul




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan  5 17:45:46 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:45:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] The Gane Milking Machine Company
Message-ID: <20060106014539.ITYV15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Anyone in Oz no anything about "The Gane Milking Machine Company"? 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan  5 18:49:12 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:49:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RE: The Gane Milking Machine Company
In-Reply-To: <43BDD74F.CB07B0C8@xtra.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20060106024905.EPLM1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Thanks, I will look into that lead. 
In 1911 they had an agency in Sussex St. Sydney and took delivery of 5
Crossley engines. This is a bit of a mystery as it seems to be the only
instance of Crossleys not going through the usual agents.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


I thought it was a New Zealand company.

Started by George Gane & Harry Jenkins.

Tom





From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Jan  5 20:15:01 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:15:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>

Geez its been four days and I'm still winning the Maytag Killer Portrait!  I 
have a place picked out to hang this portrait with honor here in the office. 
Now don't anyone else bid on it!!! :-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 21:39:26 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:39:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer
In-Reply-To: <009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
	<009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <43BE028E.30201@earthlink.net>

Second thought on your bid or worries? Snipers are in wait for end of 
auction. Beware!! They lurk, then they bid.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Geez its been four days and I'm still winning the Maytag Killer 
> Portrait!  I have a place picked out to hang this portrait with honor 
> here in the office. Now don't anyone else bid on it!!! :-)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1 
>
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From rstreet at attglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 22:19:10 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:19:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
Message-ID: <20060106061914.95EB330332D@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Bill,

Yes, the very same Albert Champion. I am working on a series of articles on
the whole gang that started at 541 Tremont Street in Boston. 

I suppose I am not the first one that has been disillusioned by the drivel
that the corporate marketing wonks from Champion and AC put out as
"history." 

Meeting new folks and sharing information has been the best part of the
project.

I'd love to see what you have.

 

Rich Street

Gig Harbor, WA

Email: rstreet at attglobal.net



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Jan  6 04:02:29 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:02:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
	<009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>
	<43BE028E.30201@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001901c612b9$1158f490$0b151941@pengy>

 No second thoughts here.  Its a charity auction and just trying to convinve 
the list members to be a bit more charitable.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer


> Second thought on your bid or worries? Snipers are in wait for end of 
> auction. Beware!! They lurk, then they bid.
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Rick Rowlands wrote:
>
>> Geez its been four days and I'm still winning the Maytag Killer Portrait! 
>> I have a place picked out to hang this portrait with honor here in the 
>> office. Now don't anyone else bid on it!!! :-)
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-728-2799
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
>> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan  6 04:16:31 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:16:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
Message-ID: <270.3b203a2.30efb99f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/5/2006 3:40:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
transteck at earthlink.net writes:

<< http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg >>


Jeff,

On the East coast there seems to be a bad case of "JD green syndrome" and 
they typically bring a higher price well over $1000.  I have heard that in the 
West prices are much lower.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan  6 08:11:06 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:11:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Those of you that belong to Tri-State received a note that they're working
on a cookbook to be sold at Portland this year as a fund raiser.

Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes more than playing with
engines is eating, how about picking out your favorite recipe or two and
offering it for inclusion in the cookbook?

Send those recipies to Helen Rouch at grmpookie at yahoo.com .

I already sent her my "Possibly 'Possum Road Kill Chili" recipe.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From bhaynes at prexar.com  Fri Jan  6 13:31:54 2006
From: bhaynes at prexar.com (Blaine Haynes)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:31:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] engine date request
Message-ID: <000901c61308$9efec280$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>

I need to date an engine, an Associated air cooled 1 3/4 HP ser. # 37145.
Thanks!


Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan  6 16:30:37 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:30:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c61321$981e02f0$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <grmpookie at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser


> Hi Folks,
> Those of you that belong to Tri-State received a note that they're working
> on a cookbook to be sold at Portland this year as a fund raiser.
> Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes more than playing with
> engines is eating, how about picking out your favorite recipe or two and
> offering it for inclusion in the cookbook?
> Send those recipies to Helen Rouch at grmpookie at yahoo.com .
> I already sent her my "Possibly 'Possum Road Kill Chili" recipe.
> Thanks!!
> See ya,  Arnie

If you wish to see what can be done see
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm
This was done for the ATIS charity auction by Dolly a few years ago.
I am not saying use these recipes but it gives a good idea about what makes a superb book.
PS ISTR that a certain Atomic Engineer won the Original copy. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  6 17:46:33 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:46:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6132c$31e11080$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes 
> more than playing with engines is eating,


Dude, I knew you were OLD, but damn!

The Tri-State folks COULD make up a book of what REAL
enginefolks like to do more than playing with engines, but
I've seen most of the Tri-State members, and let me assure
you, NO ONE would want to buy THAT book.  

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 









From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan  6 18:53:30 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  6 Jan 2006 21:53:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <000c01c61321$981e02f0$064d1152@no1>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<000c01c61321$981e02f0$064d1152@no1>
Message-ID: <1136602410.43bf2d2a09cb8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Thanks for posting that.  I just re-read the section on Brats.  Funniest damn
stuff ever!!  Bruce is SUCH a vivid writer!  Poor Harley.  Poor Duckums.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>:

> If you wish to see what can be done see
> http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm
> This was done for the ATIS charity auction by Dolly a few years ago.
> I am not saying use these recipes but it gives a good idea about what makes a
> superb book.
> PS ISTR that a certain Atomic Engineer won the Original copy. 8^)
> Dave Croft




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan  7 02:43:49 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:43:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The SEL List
         A number of my posts to this list have bounced lately - could 
anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?
This is the message I got back from the last one (I hope this one does not 
bounce).
(I've done a bit of snipping)

<START>
Subject: Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
To: jerrye at databak.co.za
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:13:00 -0500
X-BeenThere: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
List-Id: The SEL email discussion list <sel.lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com

Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject    Re: Ronnie N (Aussies please read)

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:    Message has implicit destination

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:<snipped>
<END>

         Most of those failed posts have not appeared on SEL (I get the 
Digest version) and I also have not received "notification of the 
moderator's decision" either.

         I also do not fully understand the message "Message has implicit 
destination".
         The dictionary defines implicit as "implied though not directly 
expressed " but I'm just too stupid to understand why this is bouncing my mail.

         Could it have to do with the fact that I mail to 2 lists and have 
the "Oldengine list" as the TO:
and SEL under BCC.   I have been doing this for some time and not had a 
problem with it.

Has anyone else had similar problems


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Jan  7 03:59:19 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:59:19 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <014201c61381$caab2300$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Jerry

Some stuff about mailing lists and implicit destinations I found on the net:

"The message does not have the list address in either the To: or Cc: 
headers.  This is often a sign of spam or other stuff that should not 
be going to the list."

"Implicit Address:

Most mailing lists are set up to only allow postings that are sent directly
to the list. For example, say you frequently send the same messages to
several mailing lists and have decided to create a mailing list containing
all those list addresses to save time. If any of those lists insist on
"explicit destination" your mail will be rejected (even if you're an
authorized poster), however, if you resend the message using exact addresses
listed individually, it will be accepted."

Hope this helps.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry Evans
> Sent: 07 January 2006 10:44
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
> 
> Hi The SEL List
>          A number of my posts to this list have bounced 
> lately - could 
> anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?
> This is the message I got back from the last one (I hope this 
> one does not 
> bounce).
> (I've done a bit of snipping)
<snipped>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan  7 06:35:09 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Jan 2006 09:35:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1136644509.43bfd19dab0ea@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

The only time I've had trouble with a post to the list was when it was too
large.  Spencer screens on file size to prevent attachements from being posted.
 This is mainly to block nasty code that could cause computer damage.

If a thread grows and no one bothers to snip out the dross, at some point it
will grow large enough to go into Spencer's bit bucket as "suspicious." 
Spencer has a lot on his plate, so he may be a while getting to it.  And he may
just dump it as it's a large file because folks simply aren't doing THEIR job
and snipping.

Sometimes you may want to post a VERY long show report or lengthy description of
some engine work.  It may need to be split into several parts to be of a size
that doesn't get screened.

Try doing just a small test email to the list to see if you still have troubles.
 Obviously, this post made it, so it's probably size related.

AND if EVERYONE would be a little more considerate and SNIP!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:

>          A number of my posts to this list have bounced lately - could 
> anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?
> This is the message I got back from the last one (I hope this one does not 
> bounce).
> (I've done a bit of snipping)
> 
> <START>
> Subject: Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> To: jerrye at databak.co.za
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:13:00 -0500
> X-BeenThere: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> List-Id: The SEL email discussion list <sel.lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> 
> Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject    Re: Ronnie N (Aussies please read)
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jan  7 06:43:52 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:43:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules kero engines
Message-ID: <002101c61398$c90bfa80$54f8123f@oemcomputer>

Curt and others,

You asked about the fuel fill on the 5 HP Hercules Kerosene engine.  The
fuel fill was located on the off side of the engine on all models and sizes
except the S & SK and the 6 and 8 HP XK & XI.  There were a few Jaegers
prior to the S model that had the hole for the off side fuel fill, but had a
bored hole in the base to switch the fuel fill to the ignition side.

Hope this clears it up or muddies it up worse.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan  7 11:15:07 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:15:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
Message-ID: <43C0133B.7050607@scrtc.com>

There was some discussion on engine tags a few days ago (the Miami/Howe 
tag).  This just arrived today.  I have a Weber engine that had been 
sent back to the factory for some work in the teens.  It came back with 
a different tag (etched rather than cast brass) and with an additional 
set of numbers (supposedly repair work numbers).  I borrowed a friend's 
tag and had it recast as I wanted to put the proper tag on it (much 
prettier one too!).  I think they did a super job.  Here is the link for 
the "new" tag and the current tag that's one the engine is below it:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31451232&p=73519180

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31451232&p=69805362

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan  7 12:09:41 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:09:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
Message-ID: <20060107.120941.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I am working on a 7 hp Economy, I have a replacement serial no. tag and
would like to stamp it to look somewhat like original.  Does anyone have
the skill to make it look like the original script?  Or could someone
post a large image of an original tag, or better yet does anyone have an
original tag in the 123xxx number range that they would be willing to
part with?  Thanks

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan  7 12:27:20 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:27:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
In-Reply-To: <200601071700.k07H03T7020073@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107221611.02703920@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> >          A number of my posts to this list have bounced lately - could
> > anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?



>Hi Jerry
>
>Some stuff about mailing lists and implicit destinations I found on the net:
>
>"The message does not have the list address in either the To: or Cc:
>headers.  This is often a sign of spam or other stuff that should not
>be going to the list."
>
>"Implicit Address:
>
>Most mailing lists are set up to only allow postings that are sent directly
>to the list. For example, say you frequently send the same messages to
>several mailing lists and have decided to create a mailing list containing
>all those list addresses to save time. If any of those lists insist on
>"explicit destination" your mail will be rejected (even if you're an
>authorized poster), however, if you resend the message using exact addresses
>listed individually, it will be accepted."
>
>Hope this helps.
>Regards
>      Pete
>Hi Arnie, Reg and Pete,

         Thanks for the replies - I think Pete has got it - I had the SEL 
address in the BCC field.

         Pete I have had mail rejected in the past when I have put both 
addresses in the TO: field which is why I had resorted to using the BCC: 
field for one address. If I put the one address in the CC Field would I 
have the same problem?

         Arnie thanks also but my post was very small - you probably saw 
the same post on the oldengine list - I was asking for list members to log 
on to a page on my site and give me some sizes for a Ronnie N muffler,



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan  7 13:27:04 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:27:04 +0200
Subject: [SEL] OT but useful utility
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107231433.02709178@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List,
         A friend in the States is building up a Bernard engine and I 
scanned some manual pages for him.
         He wrote back and asked how to convert the torque from m.kg to 
ft/lbs and it reminded me of a small free programme I have on my computer 
called "convert.exe".

         I thought I would just share it with you guys as it really is a 
very useful prog and will convert just about any measurement to a different 
standard (and has a "torque" tab as well-which probably makes it "On 
topic"). It is only 156 Kbytes and does not need to be "installed" on 
windows - just unzip it to your Desktop (or wherever) and double click it 
and away you go.

         You can read about it and download it here:
<http://joshmadison.net/software/convert/>
         If you know how to use zip files then just go for the zip and not 
the installation file.

         Let me know what you think of it



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Sat Jan  7 13:44:38 2006
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:44:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] engine date request
References: <000901c61308$9efec280$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A567@email03.bsu.edu>

Blaine,
 
Keith Smigle has a wealth of info on Associated engines posted on his website including a SN List, the SN List is at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/smigle/associatedpage03.htm
 
If I am reading his SN List correctly, then your engine is a 1924.
 
Regards,

Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN USA 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Blaine Haynes
Sent: Fri 1/6/2006 4:31 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] engine date request



I need to date an engine, an Associated air cooled 1 3/4 HP ser. # 37145.
Thanks!


Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 15:27:41 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:27:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060107232741.47009.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

To Arnie and/or any other helpful soul of the group....
  
  Would Arnie or someone drop a line and some H-'n-M engine pictures to a  nice fellow that came into my orbit (tractor questions).  He is  mystified as to what a stationary engine is, etc. Some photos and a bit  of explanation (beyond that which I was able to supply) would be  useful.  He would like to learn and he seems like a fellow of the  first order.
  
  His email is chrisbuyer at yahoo.com
  
  Thanks in advance for your assistance.  Hope all is well.
  
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Folks,

Those of you that belong to Tri-State received a note that they're working
on a cookbook to be sold at Portland this year as a fund raiser.

Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes more than playing with
engines is eating, how about picking out your favorite recipe or two and
offering it for inclusion in the cookbook?

Send those recipies to Helen Rouch at grmpookie at yahoo.com .

I already sent her my "Possibly 'Possum Road Kill Chili" recipe.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 17:09:32 2006
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:09:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Caille pictures and a few other of Chuck's engines
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107231433.02709178@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000001c613f0$32f0f9d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Well, let's try this.  Cant seem to send a post to the list directly, so
I'll try replying to another email.  

Here is a link to some photo's of my Caille at the beginning of the
restoration stage.  Also in the link are pictures of a few of my other
engines.

I did get the Caille started for New Year's!  However, didn't have a
good battery pack for the digital camera.  Once I get that, I'll put up
some of the restored engine.

Chuck

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/clemswel/album?.dir=/e284&.src=ph&.tok=phS
alNEBstgpmKQj


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:27 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT but useful utility

Hi List,
         A friend in the States is building up a Bernard engine and I 
scanned some manual pages for him.
         He wrote back and asked how to convert the torque from m.kg to 
ft/lbs and it reminded me of a small free programme I have on my
computer 
called "convert.exe".

         I thought I would just share it with you guys as it really is a

very useful prog and will convert just about any measurement to a
different 
standard (and has a "torque" tab as well-which probably makes it "On 
topic"). It is only 156 Kbytes and does not need to be "installed" on 
windows - just unzip it to your Desktop (or wherever) and double click
it 
and away you go.

         You can read about it and download it here:
<http://joshmadison.net/software/convert/>
         If you know how to use zip files then just go for the zip and
not 
the installation file.

         Let me know what you think of it



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 17:45:52 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:45:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Caille pictures and a few other of Chuck's engines
In-Reply-To: <000001c613f0$32f0f9d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <20060108014552.75692.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

CE-
  Very nice.  Would you forward these images to  chrisbuyer at yahoo.com?  He is a new fan who does not understand  what SEL's look like.
  Thanks.
  JM

chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net> wrote:  Well, let's try this.  Cant seem to send a post to the list directly, so
I'll try replying to another email.  

Here is a link to some photo's of my Caille at the beginning of the
restoration stage.  Also in the link are pictures of a few of my other
engines.

I did get the Caille started for New Year's!  However, didn't have a
good battery pack for the digital camera.  Once I get that, I'll put up
some of the restored engine.

Chuck

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/clemswel/album?.dir=/e284&.src=ph&.tok=phS
alNEBstgpmKQj


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:27 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT but useful utility

Hi List,
         A friend in the States is building up a Bernard engine and I 
scanned some manual pages for him.
         He wrote back and asked how to convert the torque from m.kg to 
ft/lbs and it reminded me of a small free programme I have on my
computer 
called "convert.exe".

         I thought I would just share it with you guys as it really is a

very useful prog and will convert just about any measurement to a
different 
standard (and has a "torque" tab as well-which probably makes it "On 
topic"). It is only 156 Kbytes and does not need to be "installed" on 
windows - just unzip it to your Desktop (or wherever) and double click
it 
and away you go.

         You can read about it and download it here:

         If you know how to use zip files then just go for the zip and
not 
the installation file.

         Let me know what you think of it



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ 
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jan  7 19:02:19 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:02:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
References: <20060107.120941.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c613ff$f2277c20$a8e4123f@oemcomputer>

Ron,

You can help yourself on the serial number appearance by grinding the stamp
surface off a little so it has a bolder face on it.  The serial number was
put on at the tag factory.  The other data was put on at Hercules.  The RPM
and HP were stamped with the more common type letter and number stamps like
we have now.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags


> Hi all.
> I am working on a 7 hp Economy, I have a replacement serial no. tag and
> would like to stamp it to look somewhat like original.  Does anyone have
> the skill to make it look like the original script?  Or could someone
> post a large image of an original tag, or better yet does anyone have an
> original tag in the 123xxx number range that they would be willing to
> part with?  Thanks
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan  7 20:56:44 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:56:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
Message-ID: <20060107.205644.1336.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Glenn.  Just need a good picture now.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:02:19 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
writes:
> Ron,
> 
> You can help yourself on the serial number appearance by grinding 
> the stamp
> surface off a little so it has a bolder face on it.  The serial 
> number was
> put on at the tag factory.  The other data was put on at Hercules.  
> The RPM
> and HP were stamped with the more common type letter and number 
> stamps like
> we have now.
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan  8 07:48:38 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:48:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
Message-ID: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>

I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a 
week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.

I have three options:
Renew 2005 for $30
Upgrade to 2006 for $40
Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
birds and whistles.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  8 08:36:51 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:36:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c61471$bc88f4f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

I have internet security , wouldn't be without it after using it for the
last year .

Rex

----- Original Message -----
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT


> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in
a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all
the
> birds and whistles.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jan  8 09:03:05 2006
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:03:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43C145C9.000001.00664@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Tom 
i just went for norton 2006 and had all sorts of problems
so in the end i have changed to McAfee and it is working well

 
Nick Holden
Banbury (UK) 
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
skype: nickholden1
 

 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 01/08/06 16:07:28
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
 
I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
 
I have three options:
Renew 2005 for $30
Upgrade to 2006 for $40
Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
birds and whistles.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan  8 09:49:46 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  8 Jan 2006 12:49:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:

> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> 
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
> birds and whistles.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan  8 10:09:24 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:09:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>

We use McAfee on the PCs at work, and it works well. Make sure you set 
it up to update the antiviral database daily.

John

On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:49 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 10:46:42 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060108184642.42574.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

McAfee!

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:

> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> 
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
> birds and whistles.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan  8 11:10:05 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:10:05 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200601081700.k08H04Xj012667@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200601082111406.SM01648@new.databak.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 08/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
>
>Hi all.
>I am working on a 7 hp Economy, I have a replacement serial no. tag and
>would like to stamp it to look somewhat like original.  Does anyone have
>the skill to make it look like the original script?  Or could someone
>post a large image of an original tag, or better yet does anyone have an
>original tag in the 123xxx number range that they would be willing to
>part with?  Thanks
>
>Ron Haskell
><snip><snip>

Hi Ron,
         What you could do is find a local sign shop who has a computerised 
engraving machine and they could engrave it to look just like the original 
stamped numbers. They usually have a very large range of letterstyles and 
you could probably find one that matches the original. If not I could do a 
drawing of the letterstyle if you let me have a good copy (jpg) and email 
it to you - we would just have to find out what software they use and I 
could send it in a format they would be able to use.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  8 11:12:56 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:12:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com><1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001101c61487$8a9f1620$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

I guess its all in your taste , Ive tried Mcafee and did'nt like it , had
lots of issues (about 5 years ago) with it, My son tried it and had troubles
also, maybe its improved now  , I switched to Norton with no issues , I like
Internet security because it blocks pop ups , intercepts and removes spyware
, lets you know when another computer is trying to excess your computer and
also tells you when your computer is trying to send info out via spyware or
other programs , besides the antivirus , it cost me $29.95 a year to renew
it.

That all; Rex

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


> We use McAfee on the PCs at work, and it works well. Make sure you set
> it up to update the antiviral database daily.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:49 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Jan  8 11:14:54 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:14:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

Tom.....Save your money!  Trash the other stuff and install AVG by Grisoft. 
It does everything and doesn't cost you anything.  Download it from the web.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT


>
> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in 
> a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
> the
> birds and whistles.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
>
> 



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Jan  8 11:16:23 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001301c61488$0585a430$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

McAfee and Norton sleep in the same bed.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


>
> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:
>
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>> in a
>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>> the
>> birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan  8 11:38:55 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:38:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <20060108184642.42574.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060108184642.42574.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43C16A4F.50009@scrtc.com>

I've had Norton and McAfee.  I agree with Arnie, McAfee is the way to go.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>McAfee!
>
>fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>  
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:56:56 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:56:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/8/06, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
> birds and whistles.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tom Schmutz
>

Our renewal is ?33 per machine for a year. We can buy NAV 2005 OEM for
less than ?10 a shot in packs of five, that includes a year's
subscription and all updates, so it's a no-brainer really. The dealers
have unloaded 2005 stuff to get 2006 stock in, so the old stock goes
out cheap.

We have 7 machines running, here and at the factory so it makles sense
for us to keep the costs down, but I wouldn't run without it, even
though it has yet to catch anything on any of our machines.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  8 13:02:11 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:02:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43C17DD3.3090702@earthlink.net>

Hi Tom,

I just upgraded to Internet Security 2006. I like it and there are 
improvements. The firewall is much better. I tried McAfee several years 
ago and hated it. So far I'm in the minority on this topic. My buddy has 
several computers and has current versions of McAfee and Norton on them. 
He won't renew the McAfee when it comes due. They will all  be changed 
to Norton. My 2 cents.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a 
>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
>I have three options:
>Renew 2005 for $30
>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
>birds and whistles.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>  
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jan  8 13:43:21 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Nobody has mentioned 'Panda'
I have used it for the last 3 years and am paid up for another three. It has 
saved me more than the cost so far.
I am happy with it. Norton, etc. let me down.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


> On 1/8/06, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>> in a
>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>> the
>> birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>>
>
> Our renewal is ?33 per machine for a year. We can buy NAV 2005 OEM for
> less than ?10 a shot in packs of five, that includes a year's
> subscription and all updates, so it's a no-brainer really. The dealers
> have unloaded 2005 stuff to get 2006 stock in, so the old stock goes
> out cheap.
>
> We have 7 machines running, here and at the factory so it makles sense
> for us to keep the costs down, but I wouldn't run without it, even
> though it has yet to catch anything on any of our machines.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sun Jan  8 16:04:02 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:04:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>

Hi Tom,

I currently run Norton 2005 full version, Zone Alarm, Spy Bot and 
Adaware. This seems to work well for me. I have no experience with the 
Internet Security.

Duncan


Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a 
>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
>I have three options:
>Renew 2005 for $30
>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
>birds and whistles.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From bmvid at snet.net  Sun Jan  8 15:37:00 2006
From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:37:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com> <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <43C1A21C.3000108@snet.net>

I have been using CA EZ Trust Antivirus since the bata version at the 
sugestion of someone here on the list for a few years now and have been 
very happy with it. Seems to catch and quarantine all viruses with 
little fanfair.
http://store.dingigitalriver.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&id=ProductDetailsPage&SiteID=caconsum&productID=35180700&Env=BASE

Mick



Duncan Denman wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I currently run Norton 2005 full version, Zone Alarm, Spy Bot and 
> Adaware. This seems to work well for me. I have no experience with the 
> Internet Security.
> 
> Duncan
> 
> 
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for 
>> renewal in a week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has 
>> all the birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>> Concord, Va. USA
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 


From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Jan  8 15:46:08 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:46:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <001301c61488$0585a430$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
Message-ID: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Good grief! You are basing your computer security on things like "I had this
once, it didn't work right so I trashed it and would never buy it again" or
"I had a Chevy truck once, was the worst truck I'd ever had so you should
never buy one either".

One needs to be VERY careful basing on such "opinions" because a failure
COULD be related to what else is happening on that computer to interact with
the AV product as well - meaning it's possible any other AV app would have
failed at that particular time as well. Settings/options (or lack there-of,
often), practices of the PC operator (expertise or lack of as well), other
software installed or active, the OS, etc all come into play.

Do be careful with "freeware" as they do not have access to the same inside
information the commercial products do, at least not to the extent that
commercial packages can blend into and protect core OS files or work with
core os features (or bugs in the case of Windoze)

PCMagazine isn't too bad at evaluations.............

How about basing it on industry facts (don't even consider the things trade
rags or "the media" will say, they are often clueless), or even at least
partially base your selection on the experience of an IT person who has been
in charge of antivirus for 3 international companies and a state agency and
has worked in the PC AV field since 1992?

 I will tell you this - there is NO perfect protection - PERIOD. None. Each
is strong in some areas, weak in others.


Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
svsuzanne at copper.net
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT

McAfee and Norton sleep in the same bed.
----- Original Message -----
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


>
> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:
>
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>> in a
>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>> the
>> birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
> 

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel






From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Jan  8 15:48:20 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:48:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108174617.022fc100@herculesengines.com>

I agree with Tom.  I recently had some severe problems with my PC and 
had to have professionals work on it.  They installed AVG and it has 
been working great.  Why pay for McAfee or Norton's when you can get 
a good product free?
Keith

At 01:14 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>Tom.....Save your money!  Trash the other stuff and install AVG by 
>Grisoft. It does everything and doesn't cost you anything.  Download 
>it from the web.
>----- Original Message ----- From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:48 AM
>Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
>
>
>>
>>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
>>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>>I have three options:
>>Renew 2005 for $30
>>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
>>birds and whistles.
>>
>>Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>>Tom Schmutz
>>Concord, Va. USA
>>Germoamer at aol.com
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>--
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>--
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan  8 15:55:24 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:55:24 -0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com> <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <002301c614ae$ff779590$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


> Hi Tom,
> I currently run Norton 2005 full version, Zone Alarm, Spy Bot and
> Adaware. This seems to work well for me. I have no experience with the
> Internet Security.
> Duncan
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> >I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> >week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> >I have three options:
> >Renew 2005 for $30
> >Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> >Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
> >birds and whistles.
> >Anyone have any suggestions?
> >Tom Schmutz

I use and I am happy with  EZ Antivirus. It has worked well for me where Norton caused me many problems. See
http://store.digitalriver.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&id=ProductDetailsPage&SiteID=caconsum&produc
tID=35180700&Env=BASE
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 17:15:44 2006
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:15:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>	<6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>
	<020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43C1B940.9020700@comcast.net>

I'm using grisoft AVG ,free edition.If you do a Google search,look for 
either grisoft.com , or AVG free. They also have pay-for versions,I 
don't know about them.

For spyware remover, I use spybot search and destroy.I think that's also 
free (can't remember!).

These are free for -I believe-, single computers in a non-commercial 
setting.

              They work well,and you can't beat the price.


                        sincerely, mike

  PS:I've used over the years Norton,McAfee,and Trend Micro.com's 
"PC-cillan".   There's a free anti virus scan available at 
trendmicro.com/housecall.


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  8 19:37:01 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
Message-ID: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

  Hi;

     Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend picked
it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the engine
cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to make it
go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint and the
pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK all
ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if I'm
going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty , I
will post some pics as I get the project under way

Rex




From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Sun Jan  8 17:32:40 2006
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:32:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>	<1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43C1BD38.4090709@zoominternet.net>

I've been happy with AVG.

Ed

John Culp wrote:

> We use McAfee on the PCs at work, and it works well. Make sure you set 
> it up to update the antiviral database daily.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:49 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 18:03:08 2006
From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:03:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060109020308.97112.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com>

Tom: I just updated my Norton Antivirus 2005 this
morning to Norton Internet Security 2006. I have never
had problems with Norton Antivirus. Years ago I used
McAfee and I had nothing but trouble. I guess it's
like driving a Ford or Chevy, running a Stover or
Maytag. What every you perfer.

Keep the computer safe,

John

--- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple
> version) due for renewal in a 
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> 
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for
> $50  which has all the 
> birds and whistles.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



		
__________________________________________ 
Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. 
Just $16.99/mo. or less. 
dsl.yahoo.com 



From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 18:10:06 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:10:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <20060109020308.97112.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060109020308.97112.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43C1C5FE.60403@Ntelos.Net>

test


From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 18:05:55 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:05:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus 
Message-ID: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>

Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not 
. I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't 
check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed 
tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not 
need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to 
aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..


                                                                                             
Mark L Shattuck

                                                                                         
Waynesboro Va.


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Jan  8 18:59:31 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:59:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
References: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <002501c614c8$c3290d20$3ca6123f@oemcomputer>

Hey Rex,  What is the serial number of that engine?  I will add it to list
of known Herc engines.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree


>   Hi;
>
>      Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend
picked
> it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the engine
> cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to make it
> go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint and
the
> pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK all
> ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if I'm
> going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty , I
> will post some pics as I get the project under way
>
> Rex
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  8 19:16:08 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:16:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus 
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

Trust in the LORD!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shattuck" <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus


> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not . 
> I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't 
> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed tom 
> OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not need 
> ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to aol 
> users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>
>
> 
> Mark L Shattuck
>
> 
> Waynesboro Va.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  8 19:22:26 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:22:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] A request to Australian members.....Freezing Plants.
Message-ID: <003001c614cb$edade130$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

As a result of a picture that I submitted to TOMM show ing a letter box that 
had been made from a 2.5 Ton Werner Ammonia Compressor I received a request 
from a bloke in NSW that is writing the history of large Ammonia freezing 
plants in Australia .............I have sent him some pics of a couple of 
old plants that are in my area. If any of you can help please contact me.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk  Mon Jan  9 02:15:54 2006
From: fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk (Fred)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:15:54 -0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com><000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060108174617.022fc100@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <003701c61505$ad0e67a0$0200a8c0@athlon64>

As a retired IT professional I have come across many "solutions" to this 
problem. It seems to me that most AV solutions work to a degree BUT there is 
no one product that will give complete security. There is also the 
"personal" factor to take into consideration, products suit the working 
methods of some people but not others. It's often a case of what you are 
comfortable with.
There's also the issue of what degree of input do you want, either on 
installation or in use. Do you want complete automation or are you more 
comfortable with some level of personal control?

I am about to change my own AV protection. The reason is that the program 
that I have used for years is now too invasive and takes too much CPU time 
with all it's additions that accumulated over recent times.
I have installed AVG on PCs that I have built for others and they have been 
happy with it so I'm going to give it a try.

Fred
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


>I agree with Tom.  I recently had some severe problems with my PC and had 
>to have professionals work on it.  They installed AVG and it has been 
>working great.  Why pay for McAfee or Norton's when you can get a good 
>product free?
> Keith
>
> At 01:14 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Tom.....Save your money!  Trash the other stuff and install AVG by 
>>Grisoft. It does everything and doesn't cost you anything.  Download it 
>>from the web.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:48 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>>>in a
>>>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>>
>>>I have three options:
>>>Renew 2005 for $30
>>>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>>>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>>>the
>>>birds and whistles.
>>>
>>>Anyone have any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Tom Schmutz
>>>Concord, Va. USA
>>>Germoamer at aol.com
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  9 03:36:50 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:36:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
	<002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <43C24AD2.3050201@wightman.ca>

But stick to a good antivirus for your computer.

Duncan


peter ogborne wrote:

> Trust in the LORD!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shattuck" 
> <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:05 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
>
>
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan  9 05:02:29 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <1711.165.206.180.19.1136811749.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

If you really believe the MS windows firewall is good and will protect you
100%, then there is little else to say. And same for the AOL protection
(aol being one of the reasons we even see issues at the sate agency here).
Guess I will simply wish you luck.
I have shown holes in the MS firewall - enough I was able to get to a
computer that had that "firewall" turned on! I accessed it remotely.
Don't worry about experience and testing.
Don't worry that there is no one "spyware/adware" product that will or can
catch it all (based on experience, research and testing for months)
Don't worry that for years, McAfee's protection had holes in it (based on
research by universities and independant research groups) and there were a
few "in the wild" things that still got through in their tests (and mine).

People treat AV like religion - thiers is always best or right or the only
way, based on what? Faith? What someone told them once?

Whatever, good luck. I hope you don't need it.

Bill

> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
> . I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
> tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
> need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to
> aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>
>
>
> Mark L Shattuck
>
>
> Waynesboro Va.
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan  9 05:03:28 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:03:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
	<002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1724.165.206.180.19.1136811808.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Yeah, Peter - that's the ONLY thing that has my trust! Then it's "trust
but verify" for me in most things........

Bill

> Trust in the LORD!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Shattuck" <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:05 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
>
>
>> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
>> .
>> I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
>> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
>> tom
>> OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
>> need
>> ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to aol
>> users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark L Shattuck
>>
>>
>> Waynesboro Va.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan  9 05:43:51 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:43:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>
	<020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1937.165.206.180.19.1136814231.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Panda is a good alternative. They operate with little hype or fanfare,
have very good technical write-ups and their software seems to work.
Their website is good. No experience with their tech support to date so
can't comment on that.
It's worth a look.

Bill

> Nobody has mentioned 'Panda'
> I have used it for the last 3 years and am paid up for another three. It
> has
> saved me more than the cost so far.
> I am happy with it. Norton, etc. let me down.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT
>
>
>> On 1/8/06, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
>>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal
>>> in a
>>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>>
>>> I have three options:
>>> Renew 2005 for $30
>>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all
>>> the
>>> birds and whistles.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Tom Schmutz
>>>
>>
>> Our renewal is ?33 per machine for a year. We can buy NAV 2005 OEM for
>> less than ?10 a shot in packs of five, that includes a year's
>> subscription and all updates, so it's a no-brainer really. The dealers
>> have unloaded 2005 stuff to get 2006 stock in, so the old stock goes
>> out cheap.
>>
>> We have 7 machines running, here and at the factory so it makles sense
>> for us to keep the costs down, but I wouldn't run without it, even
>> though it has yet to catch anything on any of our machines.
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jan  9 05:58:07 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:58:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV226836C4CAFB93C2E48F1FBB220@phx.gbl>

Howdy gang;
  Looks pretty nice with the taper feature.  Little fancier than mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028221185

RickinMt.


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 08:34:05 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:34:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
Message-ID: <2d3.e35f06.30f3ea7d@aol.com>

Hi List,
On my newly acquired Fairbanks Morse dishpan engine, located below  the 
magneto, cast into the assembly is the word  - "Oil".   The question that I have is 
where does the oil go -  Rectangular, small or large round hole?   How is the 
governor weight  assembly oiled?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jan  9 09:02:44 2006
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:02:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Brats
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70651D5F5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

>>>Bruce is SUCH a vivid writer!  Poor Harley.  Poor Duckums.  8-))
 
Gee, thanks, Arnie - but most of the vivid is likely high blood
pressure. I need to calm down.
Oh, wait - in 77 days this will resolve itself...
 
Duckems is still tolerating, doesn't seem to get any wiser. If she did,
she would accept an alternative offer.  As for poor Harley - his
eclectic dining tastes finally sent him to doggy heaven.  First, he got
into a insecurely closed cooler in the garage, just out of the camper,
and ate a two pound block of sharp cheddar.  While sulking after being
punished, he retaliated by eating most of a ten-pound sack of Vidalia
onions. You remember he loves onions.  Not knowing this, I gave him his
usual Saturday afternoon Schaefer's.  An hour and a half later, plugged
up both ends, he blew.
 
We buried him that afternoon, and the rest of him the following
Wednesday when I found it.
 

Bruce H. Younger
City of Lenexa
GIS Specialist
V - 913-477-7666
F - 913-477-7689
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From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jan  9 11:34:02 2006
From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:34:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV226836C4CAFB93C2E48F1FBB220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c61553$a5435500$546bcc45@stojanov>

I just picked up a lathe like that 2 months ago- missing all the backgearing
and the leadscrew, a Star made in Seneca Falls, NY.  Sure is a thought
though! Cya.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe


> Howdy gang;
>   Looks pretty nice with the taper feature.  Little fancier than mine.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028221185
>
> RickinMt.
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jan  9 12:12:16 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:12:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: antivirus OT (nick)
>    2. Re: antivirus OT (fero_ah at city-net.com)
>    3. Re: antivirus OT (John Culp)
>    4. Re: antivirus OT (James Moran)
>    5. Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 (Jerry Evans)
>    6. Re: antivirus OT (Rex Hinz)
>    7. Re: antivirus OT (svsuzanne at copper.net)
>    8. Re: antivirus OT (svsuzanne at copper.net)
>    9. Re: antivirus OT (Judge Tommy Turner)
>   10. Re: antivirus OT (Listerdiesel)
>   11. Re: antivirus OT (Jeff Allen)
>   12. Re: antivirus OT (R & M Ingold)
>   13. Re: antivirus OT (Duncan Denman)
>   14. Re: antivirus OT (Mick DeMaria)
>   15. RE: antivirus OT (Bill Dickerson)
>   16. Re: antivirus OT (Keith Kinney)
>   17. Re: antivirus OT (Dave Croft)
>   18. Re: antivirus OT (Michael P. Koryciak)
>   19. !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree (Rex Hinz)
>   20. Re: antivirus OT (Edward Tabor)
>   21. Re: antivirus OT (John E. Hart)
>   22. Re: antivirus OT (Mark Shattuck)
>   23. OT Antivirus  (Mark Shattuck)
>   24. Re: !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree (Glenn A Karch)
>   25. Re: OT Antivirus  (peter ogborne)
>   26. A request to Australian members.....Freezing Plants.
>       (peter ogborne)
>   27. Re: antivirus OT (Fred)
>   28. Re: OT Antivirus (Duncan Denman)
>   29. Re: OT Antivirus (bill at antique-engines.com)
>   30. Re: OT Antivirus (bill at antique-engines.com)
>   31. Re: antivirus OT (bill at antique-engines.com)
>   32. Seneca Falls lathe (Richard Strobel)
>   33. Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions (FRM8198 at aol.com)


Hey Guys,
This has to be an all time record for an engine list: (Above copied from 
"Digest")
         27 Off Topic (Antivirus)
         5 Engine related.

         If I am not mistaken this thread originated from Peter Lowe in Aus 
who started his mail with a ("disclaimer" or explanation) and specifically 
asked everyone to reply "off list".
         What happened ??
         Use whatever Antivirus programme you are comfortable with - at the 
end of the day a lot of things just boil down to common sense and if you do 
not go for the "updates" (automatically or otherwise) then it is your own 
problem. All antivirus progs have their "pro's & con's" but actually it all 
boils down to the user in the end.

         REMEMBER :- When all is lost there is a list member with a "Data 
Recovery" business - no names mentioned (just read the Sig.)
         Can we talk about engines again - Please !

Best regards
Jerry Evans.

Visit our website: www.databak.co.za  

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From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Mon Jan  9 12:37:47 2006
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:37:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine @ Portland, IN Show)
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A568@email03.bsu.edu>

I have received word today that Tom Hidy is now being cared for in a Hospice.  Tom is the gentleman who took the lead in the restoration of the 1915 55HP Muncie Oil Engine (owned by the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor Assn.) in 1994. The restoration was completed in time and was displayed/run at the Portland Show in 1994 and has been displayed there annually since.  Tom is an old engine friend and for those so inclined, please say a prayer for him and his family.  Thanks!
 
Don Siefker
28 miles SW of Portland, IN  USA
 



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan  9 12:58:52 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:58:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???/ now what are you working on this
	winter?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>

Jerry,
If it makes you feel better I've been working on both my Stickney engine 
and the tray cooled Alamo engine.
On the Stickney I have all the castings for the fuel pumper machined and 
they are on the engine. Saturday I stuck a pan of mineral spirits under 
it and it pumped all the way up to the site gage cage! Glenn, Arnie, 
Rick, the combination of check balls you sent worked. Now I have piping 
work to do to route the fuel from the pump to the mixer. It's been a 
year long project to get this done from making the patterns, to getting 
them cast, to machining them, and on the engine. I'll put some pictures 
together shortly....

On the Alamo I've been making new valves, reaming the guides oversize, 
seating the valves, rebuilding the water pump, making fixtures to pour 
new babbitt mains, making all new bolts/screws/studs, new brass in the 
wrist pin end of the conn. rod, etc.
Still have to bore the cylinder, make a pattern/cast/machine an oversize 
piston, pour the mains, and assemble it. May run out of winter!

Last week Tommy B. and I put the crank and new poured mains in his 
Rumley lightweight and set the end clearance. It rolls sweet! Cylinder 
liners are next. I need to take some pictures of this....

Missy is now referring to herself as a machineshop widow as I am there 
most nights until about 8 or 8:30. But as she says it is good safe fun 
and she knows where I am!

OK guys, tell us what you are working on....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jerry Evans wrote:

> At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: antivirus OT (nick)
>>    2. Re: antivirus OT (fero_ah at city-net.com)
>>    3. Re: antivirus OT (John Culp)
>>    
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  9 13:15:27 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:15:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43C2D26F.6020903@scrtc.com>

I agree Jerry.  I think I've got an engine virus.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>
>
> Hey Guys,
> This has to be an all time record for an engine list: (Above copied 
> from "Digest")
>         27 Off Topic (Antivirus)
>         5 Engine related.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan  9 13:20:41 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:20:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: What are you working on this winter?
In-Reply-To: <43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601091619350.77802@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Curt wrote:

> Missy is now referring to herself as a machineshop widow as I am there
> most nights until about 8 or 8:30. But as she says it is good safe fun
> and she knows where I am!

Plus it gives her time for pistol practice.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 14:30:43 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:30:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601091430p35742492me76a28da890ab994@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >Today's Topics:

Well, I spent (like Curt and others) a lot of time on engine-related
things over the weekend, specifically putting up more stuff on the
website and chasing up my BRB which finally arrived today, posted in
the US of A by air mail on the 12th December!

There is always off-list stuff to sort out, updating Oldengine.org for
Jim Dunmyer, overseas enquiries etc etc., so although I did look and
post on the AV thread, it was a passing interest thing rather than
sitting there for hours scrutinising all the responses. I think I
replied to the original question from Ron?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  9 15:38:20 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:38:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43C2F3EC.8080109@wightman.ca>

So what's your point???
This happens every year, all the time, from time to time.
Always has, and always will.

Duncan


Jerry Evans wrote:

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jan  9 15:02:14 2006
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:02:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???/ now what are you working on
	this	winter?
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001601c61570$bb7d2860$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>

Absolutely nothing but home repairs.  I feel so ashamed!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL
(Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is this a record???/ now what are you working on this
winter?


> Jerry,
> If it makes you feel better I've been working on both my Stickney engine
> and the tray cooled Alamo engine.
> On the Stickney I have all the castings for the fuel pumper machined and
> they are on the engine. Saturday I stuck a pan of mineral spirits under
> it and it pumped all the way up to the site gage cage! Glenn, Arnie,
> Rick, the combination of check balls you sent worked. Now I have piping
> work to do to route the fuel from the pump to the mixer. It's been a
> year long project to get this done from making the patterns, to getting
> them cast, to machining them, and on the engine. I'll put some pictures
> together shortly....
>
> On the Alamo I've been making new valves, reaming the guides oversize,
> seating the valves, rebuilding the water pump, making fixtures to pour
> new babbitt mains, making all new bolts/screws/studs, new brass in the
> wrist pin end of the conn. rod, etc.
> Still have to bore the cylinder, make a pattern/cast/machine an oversize
> piston, pour the mains, and assemble it. May run out of winter!
>
> Last week Tommy B. and I put the crank and new poured mains in his
> Rumley lightweight and set the end clearance. It rolls sweet! Cylinder
> liners are next. I need to take some pictures of this....
>
> Missy is now referring to herself as a machineshop widow as I am there
> most nights until about 8 or 8:30. But as she says it is good safe fun
> and she knows where I am!
>
> OK guys, tell us what you are working on....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> > At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>    1. Re: antivirus OT (nick)
> >>    2. Re: antivirus OT (fero_ah at city-net.com)
> >>    3. Re: antivirus OT (John Culp)
> >>
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  9 16:06:24 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:06:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine @ Portland, IN Show)
References: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A568@email03.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <002701c61579$b2c07020$230110ac@PAUL>

Don, please tell Tom I will be praying for him as I know many others will be 
also. May the Great Physician have mercy on Tom and may it be His will that 
he could be healed.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SIEFKER, DONALD L" <00dlsiefker at bsu.edu>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine @ Portland, IN Show)


>I have received word today that Tom Hidy is now being cared for in a 
>Hospice.  Tom is the gentleman who took the lead in the restoration of the 
>1915 55HP Muncie Oil Engine (owned by the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor 
>Assn.) in 1994. The restoration was completed in time and was displayed/run 
>at the Portland Show in 1994 and has been displayed there annually since. 
>Tom is an old engine friend and for those so inclined, please say a prayer 
>for him and his family.  Thanks!
>
> Don Siefker
> 28 miles SW of Portland, IN  USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Mon Jan  9 16:14:46 2006
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV226836C4CAFB93C2E48F1FBB220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002b01c6157a$dd5eaa80$50c77040@user>

Same as the one I bought two months ago except the three jaw chuck probably
fits that one. Mine is for some other lathe and the threads are different.
Got a four jaw though and the tooling for $225.
Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe


Howdy gang;
  Looks pretty nice with the taper feature.  Little fancier than mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028221185

RickinMt.
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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Jan  9 16:18:34 2006
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:18:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9
References: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <005901c6157b$65315390$0600a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

I have been using CA EZ Trust Antivirus

This is a great antivirus ........ Works REALLY well and has a Support line 
you can speak to in business hours.

Very helpful ...... I believe it is Australian too ....... 8^)

Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jan  9 17:11:10 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:11:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c61582$be2cd9e0$0b151941@pengy>

The Tod Engine Works foundry is almost ready to begin operations.  Since I 
started setting it up on the day before Thanksgiving of last year, I am 
suprised to find that almost everything that I need I already have onhand. A 
testament to my pack rat skills!

The only thing really holding me up is the electric service.  The 
electrician promises to have his part done by the end of this week, then its 
up to Penn Power to string the new wires and the inspector to approve the 
installation.  I'm getting quite impatient as this is really holding me up 
on everything else.

The control unit for the furnace is in place and wired in. I've set up a 
temporary cooling system until I can find a cooling tower to place outside. 
The furnace itself still needs to be assembled but before I grout the coil 
and install the new crucible I want to be sure the coil is correct for the 
voltage and frequency I will be using.

I've purchased a sand muller which needs rebuilt.  However a customer is 
letting me use a small muller of his until mine is ready to go, so mixing 
sand isn't a problem.  I may be getting a small shotblaster for cleaning 
finished castings but that may not be for a few months. I already have 
enough orders for engine parts for several heats of grey iron.

So for everyone wanting castings I'm working on it!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan  9 17:55:50 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:55:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Brats
In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70651D5F5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70651D5F5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <dd0eb55ecfb9e53022ca1c83c89e7a7e@chartertn.net>

That reminds me, today's mail brought the "Walter the Farting Dog" 
plush toy I'd ordered from Amazon. Jane loves it! He "farts" when you 
squeeze him, too. :-)

John

On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Bruce Younger wrote:

> As for poor Harley - his
> eclectic dining tastes finally sent him to doggy heaven.  First, he got
> into a insecurely closed cooler in the garage, just out of the camper,
> and ate a two pound block of sharp cheddar.  While sulking after being
> punished, he retaliated by eating most of a ten-pound sack of Vidalia
> onions. You remember he loves onions.  Not knowing this, I gave him his
> usual Saturday afternoon Schaefer's.  An hour and a half later, plugged
> up both ends, he blew.
>
> We buried him that afternoon, and the rest of him the following
> Wednesday when I found it.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  9 18:02:57 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:02:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] what are you working on this winter?
Message-ID: <20060109.180258.1076.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
As usual I have a number of projects going at the same time.  I am
cutting a door in the side of a 20' ocean going container for more engine
storage.  Changing my 7 hp Economy back to mag and ignitor from micro
switch and vibrator coil.  Finishing up painting a Witte Dieselectric 4KW
unit so I can get it on its cart and usable.  Also I finally repaired the
diaphragm in the fuel pump of my Stover DV2 so it will run from the tank.
 Other than that I haven't been doing a thing.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  9 18:40:26 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:40:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
In-Reply-To: <2d3.e35f06.30f3ea7d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6158f$370021e0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Hi Francis

I'll take a stab at this from memory. The oil goes in the Rectangular hole,
it runs down a little trough and onto the cam follower and the cam. I'm
really not sure about the governor. I went out and looked at the pot metal
bracket for my Fairbanks 1.5hp and there is no way to lube the governor
other than just give it a shot with an oil can. The 3hp engines and probably
the 6's have a grease cup for the governor shaft.

Hope this helps,

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
dotto at velocitus.net


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:34 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions

Hi List,
On my newly acquired Fairbanks Morse dishpan engine, located below  the 
magneto, cast into the assembly is the word  - "Oil".   The question that I
have is 
where does the oil go -  Rectangular, small or large round hole?   How is
the 
governor weight  assembly oiled?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA

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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 19:19:18 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:19:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
Message-ID: <1d4.4bf0afa8.30f481b6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:08:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dotto at velocitus.net writes:

I'll  take a stab at this from memory. The oil goes in the Rectangular hole,
it  runs down a little trough and onto the cam follower and the cam. I'm
really  not sure about the governor. I went out and looked at the pot metal
bracket  for my Fairbanks 1.5hp and there is no way to lube the governor
other than  just give it a shot with an oil can. The 3hp engines and probably
the 6's  have a grease cup for the governor shaft.



Thanks, Dave.  Now I know for sure.
Every time I get a different engine, I get a new set of questions  to ask.  
Some of the questions may seem very basic to an experienced engine  man.  I 
rather ask first before I do some thing foolish.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Jan  9 16:27:42 2006
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:27:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9
References: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c6157c$abfe5e20$0600a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go 

Never, EVER trust M$ .... 8^)

Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan  9 19:42:21 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:42:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
Message-ID: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
This weekend I finished making some parts, one of which was
in brass.  It came out nicely, except that it looked like
bling hanging from Fiddy's neck rather than something that
belongs on a rusty old engine.  
 
Afflicted with Manic-Obsessive disorder, I had no time to
wait for patina the old fashioned way.  Something had to be
done, and it had to be done NOW.  
 
The goal was to expose the brass to chlorine to get it to
change color.
 
Previous experiments with bleach (sodium hypochlorite) took
a long time and were less than impressive.  Where to get
more chlorine?  Need more chlorine...  
 
I've also used muriatic acid in experiments, but it hasn't
been particularly useful in creating a patina.  
 
By now any chemists reading this can see where the story is
going, and the sensible ones are shaking their heads in
disbelief.  They're right.  If you value your health, you
should hit the "delete" key now.  What you're about to read
is something that can very well get you dead, or at least
make you blind and burn holes in your skin.  
 
Anyway, in a deep plastic container was mixed a little
bleach with a little muriatic resulting in a BIG fizzy
reaction.  It was evident why this experiment is frowned
upon by experts.  
 
Industrial quality protective gear is very good idea here:
gloves, goggles, face shield, respirator and ventilation
hood at the very least.  
 
The brass part on the end of a wire dangled in the plastic
container IMMEDIATELY started to turn color.  I accidentally
dropped the brass into the broth and all the color dissolved
away.  Back out of the mix and it started turning color
again.  Within a minute it was a very dark brown.  Most
washed off, leaving a pleasing patina behind.
 
I used a couple ounces of each ingredient, but suspect that
a teaspoon or tablespoon of each would have been sufficient
to make the quantity of gas needed.  It's heavier than air,
so you don't need to worry about losing it out of your
plastic container.
 
If you use this technique, keep in mind that you're
manufacturing poison gas -- chemical warfare gas.
Seriously.  It's a tool that can help you make cool stuff,
but like other tools in the shop, can be dangerous if you're
not paying attention.  
 
Start with small quantities, and by all means keep the large
jugs of ingredients far from the other ingredients.  I'd
venture to say that if you accidentally spilled both
containers on the floor in your shop, the resulting reaction
would create enough gas that you wouldn't have to worry
about what's for breakfast tomorrow.   
 
Have fun, play safe, make pretty engines.
Rob
 
 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  9 20:38:37 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:38:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43C33A4D.9000100@scrtc.com>

Rob,
    I went to Google and typed in Liver of Sulfur and got this result.  
Check this out to possibly keep you from getting "gassed".

http://www.whiteriverfoundry.com/bronze_patina_basics.htm

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  9 20:45:46 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:45:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
In-Reply-To: <1d4.4bf0afa8.30f481b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c615a0$b94c3dd0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

I may be mistaken about the grease cup on the larger FM Z engines; it is
probably for the camshaft. My 3hp Z is outside under cover so I can't check
for sure.

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net



Thanks, Dave.  Now I know for sure.
Every time I get a different engine, I get a new set of questions  to ask.  
Some of the questions may seem very basic to an experienced engine  man.  I 
rather ask first before I do some thing foolish.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  9 20:45:46 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:45:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <008e01c61582$be2cd9e0$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <000501c615a0$b9130560$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

That's good news Rick; I may need to talk to you about casting a piston.

And for Curt, didn't you used to have some pictures of making a piston
pattern on your web site??

I blasted the piston for my Falk the other day and found a 360deg. Crack on
the piston crown. Honest I didn't do it! The engine was not stuck when I got
it. As for the previous owner I can't say. 

My original plan was to hone the bore clean and round, have the piston
sprayed and a new set of rings made. Now after finding the crack I wondering
if it would be better to just start with a new casting?

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net



Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry

The Tod Engine Works foundry is almost ready to begin operations.  Since I 
started setting it up on the day before Thanksgiving of last year, I am 
suprised to find that almost everything that I need I already have onhand. A

testament to my pack rat skills!





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  9 21:26:17 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:26:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
Message-ID: <20060109.212618.1512.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Pictures Rob pictures.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 21:32:46 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:32:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
Message-ID: <f7.6003a706.30f4a0fe@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/9/2006 9:16:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dotto at velocitus.net writes:

I may be  mistaken about the grease cup on the larger FM Z engines; it is
probably  for the camshaft.


Dave,
On this engine, there is a small grease cup,  located between the magneto and 
the crankshaft that lubes the cam gear and  the governor drive gear.  
I installed a new grease cup on the connecting rod.  In order  to have 
sufficient clearance when the crankshaft is rotated, I had to install a  ?"  st ell 
with the grease cup.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan  9 22:49:11 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:49:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <43C33A4D.9000100@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <008601c615b1$fd9ff0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

>I went to Google and typed in Liver of Sulfur and got 
> this result.  Check this out to possibly keep you from 
> getting "gassed".

Thanks Tommy,
I'll look into getting a tub of Liver of Sulphur.  I enjoy
playing with various concoctions to see what kind of effects
I can get.  

Rob









From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan  9 23:00:05 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:00:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <20060109.212618.1512.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Pictures Rob pictures.

Ok, Ron.  It didn't occur to me to post pictures because my
machining skills are... limited.  I get excited when I can
make one part that will perform as intended, while the rest
of you chaps are making complex mechanisms. 

But you asked.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf

Rob







From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jan  9 23:09:41 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:09:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Listeroid safety warning on Ebay
Message-ID: <43C35DB5.6080502@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Want to throw this out amongst the gang here as a caution more than 
anything. There's currently a 16 HP Listeroid up on Ebay right now (# 
7578704005) that could prove dangerous if used as advertised. The sale 
was brought to my attention by George Breckenridge, a friend and dealer 
of such engines. The concern is over the advertised rated speed of a 
full 1000 RPM with 27" (possibly 24") cast iron flywheels, which is WAY 
over safe speed (absolute max for a 27" is 750 using the 60 MPH rule). 
The seller apparently is ignoring cautions from the engine community. 
His picture of the engines label is hard to read, so I'm not sure if 
he's making the RPM figure up or the Indian manufacturer is throwing 
caution to the wind. In any case, as George remarked, a few bad 
incidents with these engines and it could conceivably effect the whole 
engine community (and it's insurance programs). Note, too, that this is 
an RPM under load. Knowing the governors used, if this engine went 
unloaded.... look out!!!

Be careful out there.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 10 02:49:31 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:49:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <d6a250bb2b50e53094dd09ee7029ad0d@chartertn.net>

Tommy's right, Rob, go with the Liver of Sulphur. That's the stuff used 
by artists to give a quick dark patina to copper alloys. If you want 
the green patina, you'll have to go a bit further. Exposure to ammonia 
fumes is one way. Google will turn up lots of pages on it.

BTW, if you really want to do yourself in with poison gas, acidifying 
that Liver of Sulphur to release H2S is a quick way to do it. That 
stuff really is silent but deadly.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jan 10 04:27:24 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 4:27:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] what are you working on this winter?
Message-ID: <16862278.1136896044530.JavaMail.root@fepweb05>

I have a couple of cylinders to sleeve for friends, bearings to pour for another. My project is the 4hp Bulldog. I freed the ignitor, made a new shaft and new springs, it's ready. This is a kero engine, has the large mixer with the gasoline reservoir and water injection. I managed to get the mixer apart and cleaned up, working on needle valves now. One was missing, two were broken. I'm going to need pictures of the belcrank and governor latch, these were missing from my engine as well as the piston and rod.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 04:51:20 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:20 EST
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
Message-ID: <ae.11a9447.30f507c8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/9/2006 3:35:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<<    Use whatever Antivirus programme you are comfortable with - at the 
 end of the day a lot of things just boil down to common sense and if you do 
 not go for the "updates" (automatically or otherwise) then it is your own 
 problem >>


Jerry,

Thanks for the antivirus input and thanks to all others who replied to help 
this old computer illiterate person with his OT anti virus question. What a 
great bunch of fellows to take the time to help me!  Being on the other side of 
the world and not knowing me personally, you must understand that I am not 
known for having much "common sense" but somehow have managed to stumble thru 62 
years and make a lot of engines run.

Right now I have three engines torn down, parts in NY being repaired, and 
helping a fellow list member with pictures of my engine parts to aid in his 
repairs.  Otherwise the free time is spent taking out the beagles to run rabbits!

Have a nice day!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan 10 06:13:34 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Main Jet
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV149862B643DCA60078CD38BB250@phx.gbl>

  Well the New Way only has one jet so it must be the main :-)

  Do ya'll think it would be feasible to machine different size, replaceable 
jets?  I'm thinking of a design similiar to an insert on a pop rivit gun.

  The OEM jet is just a small ~3/32" hole drilled in the side of a brass 
tube ~ 9/16" dia....no needle valve.  Fuel/air ratio is determined with 
choke.

  Possibly this could reduce the amount of drooling.

  Any thots?

  TIA
RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 10 07:59:01 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:59:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43C3D9C5.5050608@imc-group.com>

Sir Gudineff,
Excellent work and we appreciate your documentation and web writing skills.
Did you needle scale the rectangular cap? It looks as old as the engine now!

You did a great job on the concave for the knurled oiler top. I was 
trying to do a concave on a valve for Devin's Baker last summer. You 
know, that gentle sweep under the valve head where it transitions to the 
stem. Oh I sucked on that freehand stuff! I do OK on nice square stuff 
but shapes are a whole 'nother ballgame. I just gave up and made a 2 
piece valve for his engine. I'm impressed how well you did!

Interesting advise on oiling a file. Would have never though of that! I 
always oil a hacksaw blade before sawing to keep it from sticking so it 
make good sense that it would help with files too. Alway something to 
learn on this list.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Rob Skinner wrote:

>But you asked.
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf
>
>  
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 10 10:10:31 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:10:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <43C3D9C5.5050608@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Did you needle scale the rectangular cap? It looks as old
as 
> the engine now!

File away all marks, needle scale, reverse electrolysis
(http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis), hot brown, then
a concoction of linseed oil, old motor oil, stove polish.  

> know, that gentle sweep under the valve head where it 
> transitions to the stem. Oh I sucked on that freehand
stuff!

Tip:  use a tool with a large radius, but less than you want
your finished curve to be.  On this part, the tool was made
with about the same shape as the last inch of my little
finger. 

Adios!
Rob




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 10 10:11:30 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:11:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <d6a250bb2b50e53094dd09ee7029ad0d@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <00c901c61611$4ced19e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> BTW, if you really want to do yourself in with poison gas,
acidifying 
> that Liver of Sulphur to release H2S is a quick way to do
it. That 
> stuff really is silent but deadly.

Hi John, 
I KNEW I could count on you as a source of fun and
educational experiments.  

Rob




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jan 10 11:53:00 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:53:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
 Department.  (KMM199114738V61295L0KM)
In-Reply-To: <auto-000138674130@smf-klm-01.corp.ebay.com>
References: <auto-000138674130@smf-klm-01.corp.ebay.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110133514.020e6ac0@herculesengines.com>

Hello
Back on December 28, 2005 I made a complaint about seller simpson52, 
see correspondence below.  He was and still is stealing pictures off 
of my web site and selling them on E-bay.  Please review the 4 
auction below and the corresponding location on my web site where he 
stole the pictures.  If you will notice his tactics have changed.  If 
you compare his current auctions with the ones he had going when I 
first made the complaint you will notice at the previous auctions 
used very good resolution pictures that allowed you to see creases 
and imperfections that identically matched the pictures on my web 
site.  Now he is using lesser quality pictures that don't show the 
details as well.  But, if you will take a close look at his previous 
auctions and compare them to his current auctions and then my web 
page you will find they are the same.  Please do something to prevent 
him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on 
E-bay, for the originals.
Sincerely.
Keith Kinney

7579004539 and 7579780359
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg


7579779622
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

7579007204
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg


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>include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
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>
>Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
>and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
>coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
>the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit on
>ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
>of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
>reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
>Thank you.
>Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.
>
>
>Item number: 7576166889
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg
>
>Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>Item number: 7576170687
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jan 10 13:46:36 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
References: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <008501c6162f$551632f0$82456e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Nice job!!

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Patina on Brass



> Pictures Rob pictures.

Ok, Ron.  It didn't occur to me to post pictures because my
machining skills are... limited.  I get excited when I can
make one part that will perform as intended, while the rest
of you chaps are making complex mechanisms. 

But you asked.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf

Rob





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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 10 14:17:39 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:17:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Found Oil Field Engine Update
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWtBcyEgtJGlX6HIRTC2vokfCAA
Message-ID: <E1EwRoa-00042e-MT@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

We went out to look at this little jewel again today:

 

 The flywheels are 46.5 inches in diameter and 4 1/8 wide on a 3.5 inch
diameter shaft. The number  ZFB13C1 is on it.

 

There is a number 3   3   59 cast into the cover of the crank case. I need
to know if this is a casting date because if it is I will pass this engine
up.

 

The clutch has Arrow 15A    MM  on it and a symbol GTI inside a diamond on
it.

 

The fan pulley has ZF  86070A  cast into it.  Should probably be ZFB 6070 A.

 

The radiator mount has ZFB 502A 10 cast into it.

 

The crank case has ZFB 2A26 CAST  into it with KC above it and  3   6  59
above that. Again I need to know if these are casting date numbers.

 

I recognise the ZFB part numbers as Fairbanks-Morse. The man on the seen
said it was 18 HP. There are two screws under the radiator where I think the
name plate went; no s/n stamped in the cast iron. The pictures are at
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id12.html  .

 

Ed Stoller

 

  _____  

From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Harold Kuret
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:44 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: Re: Found Oil Field Engine

 

I suspect it could be a 15 HP Fairbanks. A lot of these engines where used
in western Canada on Grain Elevators.

 

Harold Kuret

Lynden, ONt. Canada

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ed <mailto:edstoller at earthlink.net>  

To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org 

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:50 PM

Subject: FW: Found Oil Field Engine

 

 

 


  _____  


From: Ed [mailto:edstoller at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:54 PM
To: 'stationary-engine at oldengine.org'
Subject: Found Oil Field Engine

 

I am on the road and not accidentally have come across a nice little engine.
It is quite a bit bigger than my 2 HP FMZ. I need help identifying the
engine, estimating it's weight and before I do something stupid, estimating
how much it is worth. I hope to get to get for nothing. It turns freely and
has compression, but the magneto and mixer is missing. It has a closed
crankcase. I also need to know where to look for the serial number.

 

Ed Stoller



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 10 14:06:48 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:06:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Found Oil Field Engine Update
In-Reply-To: <E1EwRoa-00042e-MT@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <E1EwRoa-00042e-MT@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601101704210.98707@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Ed,

Contact the spare parts folks at Arrow Engines.
http://www.arrowengine.com/

Give them the assorted part numbers.  They will be able to tell you what
make and model the engine is, when it was built, and how much the missing
parts would cost.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Ed wrote:

> We went out to look at this little jewel again today:
>  The flywheels are 46.5 inches in diameter and 4 1/8 wide on a 3.5 inch
> diameter shaft. The number  ZFB13C1 is on it.
> There is a number 3   3   59 cast into the cover of the crank case. I need
> to know if this is a casting date because if it is I will pass this engine
> up.
> The clutch has Arrow 15A    MM  on it and a symbol GTI inside a diamond on
> it.
> The fan pulley has ZF  86070A  cast into it.  Should probably be ZFB 6070 A.
> The radiator mount has ZFB 502A 10 cast into it.
> The crank case has ZFB 2A26 CAST  into it with KC above it and  3   6  59
> above that. Again I need to know if these are casting date numbers.
> I recognise the ZFB part numbers as Fairbanks-Morse. The man on the seen
> said it was 18 HP. There are two screws under the radiator where I think the
> name plate went; no s/n stamped in the cast iron. The pictures are at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id12.html  .



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 10 15:12:47 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:12:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
References: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
	<002501c614c8$c3290d20$3ca6123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001901c6163b$612e8cc0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Glen;

     The serial number on the Economy 1-3/4 is 343499 if you want some pics
I can email you if you send me your email address   , Thanks

Rex Hinz
rex002 at centurytel.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree


> Hey Rex,  What is the serial number of that engine?  I will add it to list
> of known Herc engines.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
>
>
> >   Hi;
> >
> >      Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend
> picked
> > it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the
engine
> > cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to make
it
> > go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint and
> the
> > pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK
all
> > ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if
I'm
> > going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty ,
I
> > will post some pics as I get the project under way
> >
> > Rex
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 10 15:40:22 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:40:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
References: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt><002501c614c8$c3290d20$3ca6123f@oemcomputer>
	<001901c6163b$612e8cc0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000701c6163f$3b54c600$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Opps ! I ate the books, email is here duh



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree


> Glen;
>
>      The serial number on the Economy 1-3/4 is 343499 if you want some
pics
> I can email you if you send me your email address   , Thanks
>
> Rex Hinz
> rex002 at centurytel.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
>
>
> > Hey Rex,  What is the serial number of that engine?  I will add it to
list
> > of known Herc engines.
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:37 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
> >
> >
> > >   Hi;
> > >
> > >      Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend
> > picked
> > > it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the
> engine
> > > cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to
make
> it
> > > go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint
and
> > the
> > > pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK
> all
> > > ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if
> I'm
> > > going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty
,
> I
> > > will post some pics as I get the project under way
> > >
> > > Rex
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 10 17:00:01 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:00:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
Message-ID: <20060110.170002.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I rushed home from work today, this is supposed to be the last
70+ degree day we will have for a while, and put some color on my Witte
Dieselectric engine.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73540335
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73540336
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73540337
&f=0

Now I can get it on it's cart and in out of the weather.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 10 18:04:51 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:04:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>

I may be about to become a real expert on "hot brown."  I just ate a 
pack of cheap wieners, the scrawny little highly spiced ones that sell 
for $1 a pack or so, that I found in the bottom of the bottom drawer of 
the fridge. I knew they were a bit stale, but after I'd finished them 
and was taking the pack to throw away, I read on the end: "USE BY 
OCTOBER 10, 2005."

On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> hot brown


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 10 19:01:37 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass/ now OT
In-Reply-To: <171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>
References: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060110214446.026c48b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:04 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>I may be about to become a real expert on "hot brown."
>John Culp

Hi John,
         In my 20's I dated a black chick that I affectionately called "Hot 
Brown." And believe me she was HOT! Meryl's father was the president of the 
NAACP in Detroit. He was an MD in the city. Meryl and I both wanted 
children and we knew that in the early 60's children of  mixed races would 
never be accepted in the USA society. So Meryl went her way and I went 
mine. Later I heard the she had moved to KA and married a dentist. (My loss 
and her gain!) In any event, if you are in contact with Hot Brown please 
tell her that I'm doing well and that I said HI!
         Dave 



From dotto at velocitus.net  Tue Jan 10 19:26:29 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:26:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
In-Reply-To: <20060110.170002.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c6165e$d02db0b0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Looking good Ron! Did you ever find the flywheel you needed for it? Wasn't
this the engine with the damaged flywheel?

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise. Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:00 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] It's gray

Hi all.  I rushed home from work today, this is supposed to be the last
70+ degree day we will have for a while, and put some color on my Witte
Dieselectric engine.  
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
_______________________________________________




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 10 19:52:14 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:52:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
Message-ID: <20060110.195215.676.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Dave.
Yes this is the one.  I had a quote of $300 to fix the broken one.  Then
last April at the Tulare show I found the exact replacement, but I had to
take the pair for $50.  I just about tore the pocket off my pants getting
my wallet out.  I put it on the crank I straightened and it was perfect,
no run out.  The engine starts easily, and looks like new inside.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:26:29 -0700 "Dave Otto" <dotto at velocitus.net>
writes:
> Looking good Ron! Did you ever find the flywheel you needed for it? 
> Wasn't
> this the engine with the damaged flywheel?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Dave Otto
> Boise. Idaho
> USA
> dotto at velocitus.net


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 10 20:02:41 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:02:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c61663$e0112070$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> I may be about to become a real expert on "hot brown."  I
just ate a 
> pack of cheap wieners, the scrawny little highly spiced
ones 
> that sell 
> for $1 a pack or so, that I found in the bottom of the
bottom 
> drawer of 
> the fridge. I knew they were a bit stale, but after I'd
finished them 
> and was taking the pack to throw away, I read on the end:
"USE BY 
> OCTOBER 10, 2005."


Quick John!  Quick!
Eat a quart of ice cream!

Rob

P.S.
I'm not interested in trying your experiments on MY engines.
However, we may be able to find you a Maytag.






From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 10 20:05:12 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL]snip Re: Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
	Department. "What evil lies in the hearts of men" OT
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110133514.020e6ac0@herculesengines.com>
References: <auto-000138674130@smf-klm-01.corp.ebay.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060110133514.020e6ac0@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <43C483F8.80802@earthlink.net>

Hi Keith and lists,

I've been watching the bastard, but too bust lately to do much. Home 
improvement work here, so I can get back to the garage. I did send 
another message tonight to our friend in the LRB department. In part:

>   I see you are still selling stolen copyrighted material on E-Bay. Am 
> I to assume the person you "purchased" the pictures from at a flea 
> market had the forethought to also print 2006 calendars using the 
> pictures. NOT!!!!

I also found that NASA has very nice high resolution pictures one can 
share with a fellow affectionado of photos. I do hope the rather large 
files will not fill his mailbox as to affect his commerce. I lurk to 
place my next warning auction in his time frame.

Night all,

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Keith Kinney wrote:

> Hello
> Back on December 28, 2005 I made a complaint about seller simpson52, 
> see correspondence below.  He was and still is stealing pictures off 
> of my web site and selling them on E-bay.  Please review the 4 auction 
> below and the corresponding location on my web site where he stole the 
> pictures.  If you will notice his tactics have changed.  If you 
> compare his current auctions with the ones he had going when I first 
> made the complaint you will notice at the previous auctions used very 
> good resolution pictures that allowed you to see creases and 
> imperfections that identically matched the pictures on my web site.  
> Now he is using lesser quality pictures that don't show the details as 
> well.  But, if you will take a close look at his previous auctions and 
> compare them to his current auctions and then my web page you will 
> find they are the same.  Please do something to prevent him from 
> stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on E-bay, for 
> the originals.
> Sincerely.
> Keith Kinney
>
> 7579004539 and 7579780359
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 
>
>
>
> 7579779622
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg 
>
>
> 7579007204
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
> At 11:59 AM 12/28/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thank you for writing.
>>
>> We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
>> investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
>> appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action may
>> include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
>> suspension or terminating the membership.
>>
>> Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeran
>> eBay SafeHarbor
>> Investigations Team
>>
>> Original Message Follows:
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Form Message %43301% 071398
>> D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
>> Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
>> listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]
>>
>> User Feedback:  177
>> User State:  ?01
>>
>> Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
>>
>> Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem you're
>> having with your seller isn't listed
>>
>> Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192
>>
>> Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
>> and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
>> coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
>> the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit on
>> ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
>> of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
>> reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
>> Thank you.
>> Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.
>>
>>
>> Item number: 7576166889
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg
>>
>> Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg 
>>
>>
>> Item number: 7576170687
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 
>>
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494 
>>
>>
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg 
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256 
>>
>>
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211 
>>
>>
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 
>>
>>



From dotto at velocitus.net  Tue Jan 10 20:15:09 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:15:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
In-Reply-To: <20060110.195215.676.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c61665$9c539870$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Good deal, I didn't realize you had had it running also. 

I have a 1933 Deutz MAH diesel that I have done a lot machine work on, then
it got pushed aside for other projects. I would really like to see it run
some day.

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:52 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It's gray

Hi Dave.
Yes this is the one.  I had a quote of $300 to fix the broken one.  Then
last April at the Tulare show I found the exact replacement, but I had to
take the pair for $50.  I just about tore the pocket off my pants getting
my wallet out.  I put it on the crank I straightened and it was perfect,
no run out.  The engine starts easily, and looks like new inside.





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 11 04:57:35 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:57:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <000a01c61663$e0112070$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <000a01c61663$e0112070$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <c608bd7200611d0e730f3e21581672e0@chartertn.net>

> Quick John!  Quick!
> Eat a quart of ice cream!

That's a great idea!

> I'm not interested in trying your experiments on MY engines.
> However, we may be able to find you a Maytag.

Aw, where's your sense of adventure?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 08:19:51 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:19:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
Message-ID: <E1EwihQ-0007pB-KQ@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

In my travels I have come across Harold who has a Fairbanks Morse Model Z
2HP which has the zink mag bracket intact. His serial number is 690416. Can
anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before I
head home.

 

Ed Stoller

New Fairfield,  CT

http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

 

 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jan 11 08:34:30 2006
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
Message-ID: <410-220061311163430671@coastalnet.com>

Ed,

Here is a link to a FM serial number listing page:
http://www.edgeta.org/www2/fmdates.htm

Ken 

> [Original Message]
> From: Ed <edstoller at earthlink.net>
 Can anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before
I
> head home.
>
 Ed Stoller
>





From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 11 08:45:16 2006
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
In-Reply-To: <E1EwihQ-0007pB-KQ@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1EwihQ-0007pB-KQ@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060111084433.02c9aec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Ed,

On the list I have here it looks like late 1927.

At 08:19 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>In my travels I have come across Harold who has a Fairbanks Morse Model Z
>2HP which has the zink mag bracket intact. His serial number is 690416. Can
>anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before I
>head home.
>
>
>
>Ed Stoller
>
>New Fairfield,  CT
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jan 11 10:55:42 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:55:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <200601111700.k0BH04k1014261@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060111204959.00ab5af0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 11/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Patina on Brass

>Ok, Ron.  It didn't occur to me to post pictures because my
>machining skills are... limited.  I get excited when I can
>make one part that will perform as intended, while the rest
>of you chaps are making complex mechanisms.
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf

Rob, don't sell yourself short - that work is really great. I'll probably 
ask you again in the future about the process you use for the "patina" - (I 
can never find the threads again after a few weeks).
         I make new etched brass spec. plates and can see a use for your 
process there


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 13:03:11 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:03:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWtBcyEgtJGlX6HIRTC2vpkiiAA
Message-ID: <E1Ewn7n-0001Uc-7D@smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Thank you Larry and Ken. I am sure Homer will be happy to know his engine is
that old.  It looks like it has never been outdoors.
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:45 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks SN

Ed,

On the list I have here it looks like late 1927.

At 08:19 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>In my travels I have come across Harold who has a Fairbanks Morse Model Z
>2HP which has the zink mag bracket intact. His serial number is 690416. Can
>anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before I
>head home.
>
>
>
>Ed Stoller
>
>New Fairfield,  CT
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 11 13:42:15 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:42:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
	Department...
Message-ID: <23b.50c9922.30f6d5b7@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2006 5:13:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kkinney at herculesengines.com writes:

<< Please do something to prevent 
 him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on 
 E-bay, for the originals >>


Keith,

What would happen if we all got fictitious names to bid on ebay, bid his 
pictures way up, then make no payments?  Just a thought.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 11 14:03:51 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:03:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
	Department...
In-Reply-To: <23b.50c9922.30f6d5b7@aol.com>
References: <23b.50c9922.30f6d5b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601111648560.30440@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

Doing what you propose is fraud.  Not a good thing.

I think the better tactic is to complain loudly and often to eBay about
the seller.  Also to flood the seller with complaining emails pointing out
the error of his ways and telling him that he's being reported to eBay
for taking copyrighted material without permission.

Also given that his stolen goods go pretty cheap, you could buy one that's
a ripoff, then leave negative feedback saying he sold you stolen
copyrighted goods.  A bunch of negative feedback would fer sure put a
crimp in his sleazy business.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/10/2006 5:13:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kkinney at herculesengines.com writes:
>
> << Please do something to prevent
>  him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on
>  E-bay, for the originals >>
>
> What would happen if we all got fictitious names to bid on ebay, bid his
> pictures way up, then make no payments?  Just a thought.
> Tom Schmutz



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jan 11 19:26:31 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:26:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: IM62827 Response to your email regarding image or
 text theft.  (KMM200468178V22364L0KM)
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060111212423.020d1028@herculesengines.com>

Here's the reply from Ebay.
Keith




>Hello Keith,
>
>Thank you for taking the time to contact eBay Customer Support. My name
>is Bryanne and I am happy to help you with your issues regarding image
>and text theft.
>
>I would like to inform you eBay has removed the listings you've
>reported, item #'s 7579004539, 7579007204, 7579779622, and 7579780359.
>We appreciate the time you have taken to send this information to us.
>
>I realize how frustrating this situation can be but unfortunately there
>is no sure fire way to prevent someone from copying your image. One
>thing I do recommend is to place a watermark on your image. A watermark
>is an identifiable piece of text or marking placed on the image. This
>could be in the form of a user id, e-mail address, etc.
>
>Even though this may take away from the effectiveness of the photo
>somewhat, I would even place it right across the middle of the image.
>This will make it difficult for someone to get rid of the watermark
>without distorting the entire image. Watermarks can be created in almost
>any image editing software.
>
>Please visit this link below for more valuable information on how to
>protect the material used in your auctions.
>
>http://www.coolebaytools.com/stealing_pics_tips.html
>
>Thank you for being a valuable member of the eBay community. Have a
>wonderful time shopping and selling on eBay throughout the New Year!
>
>Regards,
>
>Bryanne
>Community Watch Team
>eBay Trust & Safety
>_____________________________________________
>
>Whether you're new to eBay or an experienced buyer and seller, the eBay
>Security & Resolution Center can help you protect yourself on eBay and
>online. For more information, please click the "Security Center" link at
>the bottom of most eBay pages.
>_____________________________________________
>
>For our latest announcements, please check:
>
>http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml
>_____________________________________________
>
>
>Original Message Follows:
>-------------------------
>
>Hello
>Back on December 28, 2005 I made a complaint about seller simpson52,
>see correspondence below.  He was and still is stealing pictures off
>of my web site and selling them on E-bay.  Please review the 4
>auction below and the corresponding location on my web site where he
>stole the pictures.  If you will notice his tactics have changed.  If
>you compare his current auctions with the ones he had going when I
>first made the complaint you will notice at the previous auctions
>used very good resolution pictures that allowed you to see creases
>and imperfections that identically matched the pictures on my web
>site.  Now he is using lesser quality pictures that don't show the
>details as well.  But, if you will take a close look at his previous
>auctions and compare them to his current auctions and then my web
>page you will find they are the same.  Please do something to prevent
>him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on
>E-bay, for the originals.
>Sincerely.
>Keith Kinney
>
>7579004539 and 7579780359
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg
>
>
>7579779622
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>7579007204
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
>At 11:59 AM 12/28/2005, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Thank you for writing.
> >
> >We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
> >investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
> >appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action
>may
> >include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
> >suspension or terminating the membership.
> >
> >Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jeran
> >eBay SafeHarbor
> >Investigations Team
> >
> >Original Message Follows:
> >-------------------------
> >
> >Form Message %43301% 071398
> >D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
> >Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
> >listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]
> >
> >User Feedback:  177
> >User State:  ?01
> >
> >Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
> >
> >Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem
>you're
> >having with your seller isn't listed
> >
> >Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192
> >
> >Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
> >and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
> >coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
> >the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit
>on
> >ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
> >of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
> >reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
> >Thank you.
> >Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.
> >
> >
> >Item number: 7576166889
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg
> >
> >Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%2
>0Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
> >
> >Item number: 7576170687
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%2
>0page%201295.jpg
> >
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ
>7573876494
> >
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%2
>0Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ
>7574674256
> >
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7
>574675211
> >
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%2
>0page%201295.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date:
>12/27/2005



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 11 21:24:27 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:24:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues
Message-ID: <20060111.212427.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I put the Witte on its cart today.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548030
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548031
&f=0

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Jan 11 19:49:16 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:49:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <000501c615a0$b9130560$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <010101c6172b$295e3430$0b151941@pengy>

Speaking of pistons...

I've had numerous inquiries about casting pistons.  I would like to develop 
a set of patterns that would allow me to make up generic piston blanks which 
could be machined to the specific size and configuration for a certain 
engine.   If I can have those patterns made then I'll be in a position to 
supply pistons and as my machining skills develop I may someday be able to 
offer machined pistons as well.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Otto" <dotto at velocitus.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> That's good news Rick; I may need to talk to you about casting a piston.
>
> And for Curt, didn't you used to have some pictures of making a piston
> pattern on your web site??
>
> I blasted the piston for my Falk the other day and found a 360deg. Crack 
> on
> the piston crown. Honest I didn't do it! The engine was not stuck when I 
> got
> it. As for the previous owner I can't say.
>
> My original plan was to hone the bore clean and round, have the piston
> sprayed and a new set of rings made. Now after finding the crack I 
> wondering
> if it would be better to just start with a new casting?
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Otto
> Boise, Idaho
> USA
> dotto at velocitus.net
>
>
>
> Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
> The Tod Engine Works foundry is almost ready to begin operations.  Since I
> started setting it up on the day before Thanksgiving of last year, I am
> suprised to find that almost everything that I need I already have onhand. 
> A
>
> testament to my pack rat skills!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Jan 11 16:15:29 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:15:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
Message-ID: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>

Hey Guys,

Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related section. 
Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.
Thought someone may be interested.
http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=122311&query=retrieval
Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 12 00:38:30 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:38:30 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <000801c61753$920d56f0$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors


> Hey Guys,
> Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related section. 
> Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.
> Thought someone may be interested.
> http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=122311&query=retrieval
> Duncan Denman

Hi Duncan, Is this one of the engines made in the English Morris works. 8^)
I presume it should say Fairbanks Morse!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 12 01:08:28 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:08:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Steam Engine accident in UK.........?
Message-ID: <000d01c61757$c48741f0$b08ca33a@ogborneuah38i3>

I have heard that there was a steam engine accident recently in the UK . 
Seems a woman lost a leg ......do our UK members know anything re the 
circumstances?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Jan 12 01:13:24 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:13:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues
References: <20060111.212427.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003201c61758$71263c90$58446e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Ron,

When is the Witte going to make it's first show?  Quartzsite maybe?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues


Hi all.
I put the Witte on its cart today.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548030
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548031
&f=0

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 12 05:35:17 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:35:17 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Steam Engine accident in UK.........?
References: <000d01c61757$c48741f0$b08ca33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <003801c6177d$0804f010$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] Steam Engine accident in UK.........?


> I have heard that there was a steam engine accident recently in the UK . 
> Seems a woman lost a leg ......do our UK members know anything re the 
> circumstances?
> Peter Ogborne

I aked for you on the English list & Joules quoted this article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/4595501.stm
I think this is what you wanted.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 12 05:36:11 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
Message-ID: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>

First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I bought 
an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal department.  The 
tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now Olivers are my 
favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so smooth.  The 
streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were designed.  With 
pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have read, on the SEL, 
about products that you use to slick up rough cast surfaces.  what are the 
names of some of these products and are they suitable for sheet metal use?  
What kind of surface prep is needed before application?




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 12 06:15:54 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:15:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43C6649A.4000905@imc-group.com>

Andy,
Sandblast and Bondo. Sounds like you'll be buying it by the gallon! Buy 
yourself a body file (looks like a wood rasp) to cut the glazed surface 
of the Bondo to keep you from clogging up the sandpaper. Then rough it 
with a block and 40 grit, then 100 grit as you are getting close to the 
sheetmetal. You can do a final sanding with 220 as you break thru to the 
steel. Prime with a 2 part primer surfacer, sand, prime, etc. until you 
are happy with the finish. Your final sanding should be with 320 grit 
before you put your high gloss finish.
I agree Oliver sheet metal is beautiful, especially the orchard tractors.
Curt
P.S. You might even consider buying a DA sander.

Andy Glines wrote:

> First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I 
> bought an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal 
> department.  The tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now 
> Olivers are my favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so 
> smooth.  The streamlined look was definitely in when these machines 
> were designed.  With pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in 
> trouble.  I have read, on the SEL, about products that you use to 
> slick up rough cast surfaces.  what are the names of some of these 
> products and are they suitable for sheet metal use?  What kind of 
> surface prep is needed before application?
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan 12 07:39:22 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:39:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060111204959.00ab5af0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000b01c6178e$60f4d210$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> ask you again in the future about the process you use for
the 
> "patina" - (I  can never find the threads again after a
few weeks).

Hi Jerry,
Be sure to ask.  Every time I do something like that, I
tweak the process and find out what works better and what
does not.  The comments from the list members have already
provided new ways to color metal.

Rob




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 12 10:23:54 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:23:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
In-Reply-To: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <57b4f1d15a18c2f7ee534fafc3263bd2@chartertn.net>

He's ambitious, wanting to trade it for a diesel tractor with power 
steering.

John

On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Duncan Denman wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related section. 
> Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jan 12 14:07:48 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:07:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060112140350.01c45100@mail.pennswoods.net>

Andy an item you may try is called glazing compound. But you can't put it 
on thick and the metal needs priming first. It sands down very easy but you 
should use a board sander so you don't get dips in it. then prime over it.
R Fink
PA




At 08:36 AM 1/12/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I 
>bought an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal 
>department.  The tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now 
>Olivers are my favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so 
>smooth.  The streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were 
>designed.  With pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have 
>read, on the SEL, about products that you use to slick up rough cast 
>surfaces.  what are the names of some of these products and are they 
>suitable for sheet metal use?
>What kind of surface prep is needed before application?
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Jan 12 03:05:37 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
In-Reply-To: <000801c61753$920d56f0$064d1152@no1>
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca> <000801c61753$920d56f0$064d1152@no1>
Message-ID: <43C63801.9090003@wightman.ca>

Some people cannot get their head wrapped around that one Dave. You 
would be surprised how often that happens. :-)

Duncan

Dave Croft wrote:

>
>
>Hi Duncan, Is this one of the engines made in the English Morris works. 8^)
>I presume it should say Fairbanks Morse!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 12 12:33:32 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:33:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060112151908.15cd1d58@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:36 AM 1/12/2006, you wrote:
>First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I 
>bought an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal 
>department.  The tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now 
>Olivers are my favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so 
>smooth.  The streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were 
>designed.  With pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have 
>read, on the SEL, about products that you use to slick up rough cast 
>surfaces.  what are the names of some of these products and are they 
>suitable for sheet metal use?
>What kind of surface prep is needed before application?

Hi Andy,
         The product that you want is Icing. It's a Polyester Finishing 
Putty marketed by USC. Like BONDO it's a two part mixture. Unlike BONDO it 
is ready to sand in 15 minutes (you only have about 5 minutes working time) 
and it sands VERY easily. It's also a LOT smoother than BONDO. You can put 
the stuff on up to 1/4" thick and it is (to some extent) flexible. Sand the 
tin and prime the metal prior to applying the Icing. If there remains LOTS 
of rust in the deeper pits you might consider using Extend (or some similar 
rust treatment) prior to the priming. the only place that I would not use 
Icing is where there will be extreme heat (as on a heat near an exhaust 
valve for instance.)
         Dave
PS, Icing comes in a 24 oz. tube and costs about $20.00. One tube (two at 
the most) will more than do your Oliver tin! You can buy Icing at any good 
auto paint store--hell they even carry it at several "cut-rate" auto supply 
stores here in PA! 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Jan 12 15:41:49 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:41:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
In-Reply-To: <57b4f1d15a18c2f7ee534fafc3263bd2@chartertn.net>
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
	<57b4f1d15a18c2f7ee534fafc3263bd2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43C6E93D.1020808@wightman.ca>

Probably thinks he has hit the jackpot.

Duncan


John Culp wrote:

> He's ambitious, wanting to trade it for a diesel tractor with power 
> steering.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Duncan Denman wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related 
>> section. Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Thu Jan 12 18:14:05 2006
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:14:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] National Gas Engine
Message-ID: <140.534e5f7c.30f866ed@aol.com>

Hi folks,
 I've bought a 9 1/2hp National Gas engine made in the UK, the engine  dates 
around 1905-06. I'm guessing that the nuts & bolts on this engine are  the 
Whitworth type threads. 
Is there a source for new studs, nuts & bolts, because several of the  
original ones are in bad shape.  A reprint of a manual for this engine  would also 
be very much appreciated.
 Thanks,
 Dwight Vivas
 Petersburg, VA.


From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jan 12 13:37:34 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:37:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
References: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a201c617c0$6723d8c0$881117d1@net.telenet.net>

First DON'T Sandblast it unless you can use a very low pressure blaster.
It will turn that smooth metal into the ocean. Soda blast or even walnut
shells will do the job and save the steel. Once blasted clean prime it
with a two part primer such as some Sherwin Williams Polane Spray Fil
primer, it is basically a very high solids primer that will fill the
pits and allow you to sand the steel smooth after one coat.

http://www2.sherwin.com/chemicalCoatings/productPrimerPlastic.asp#Sprayfil
Link is from the plastics page but it is usable on most surfaces. The
2.8 is the stuff you can buy for homeowner use. It is low VOC and works
just as well as the original except on some plastics that need more
solvent activity.

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Glines" <andyglines at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work


> First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I
bought
> an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal department.
The
> tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now Olivers are my
> favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so smooth.  The
> streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were designed.
With
> pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have read, on the
SEL,
> about products that you use to slick up rough cast surfaces.  what are
the
> names of some of these products and are they suitable for sheet metal
use?
> What kind of surface prep is needed before application?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 12 20:18:36 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:18:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: IM62827 Response to your email regarding image
	or text theft.  (KMM200468178V22364L0KM)
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060111212423.020d1028@herculesengines.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060111212423.020d1028@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <43C72A1C.6050106@earthlink.net>

Good work Keith,

I do believe he has changed his ways. He still sells engine photos, but.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-PHOTO-PRINT-HIT-AND-MISS-FAIRBANKS-MORSE_W0QQitemZ7581355540QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This one might work better.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsimpson52QQhtZ-1

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Keith Kinney wrote:

> Here's the reply from Ebay.
> Keith
>
>> I would like to inform you eBay has removed the listings you've
>> reported, item #'s 7579004539, 7579007204, 7579779622, and 7579780359.
>> We appreciate the time you have taken to send this information to us.
>>
>>
>
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan 12 20:54:36 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:54:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues
Message-ID: <20060112.205437.1520.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.
It is possible but I still have some parts to clean and paint.  Also the
butt buggy I am making for Carol still needs some attention.  I put a
shifting collar in backwards and the gears don't line up with the
detents.  I think if I am wise I will fix the buggy first.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:13:24 -0800 "Jim and Diane"
<jd.kirkes at verizon.net> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> When is the Witte going to make it's first show?  Quartzsite maybe?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 00:23:48 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:23:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] National Gas Engine
In-Reply-To: <140.534e5f7c.30f866ed@aol.com>
References: <140.534e5f7c.30f866ed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601130023s12d9a3c9p2e1239ddf4ab326d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/13/06, Vivas1993 at aol.com <Vivas1993 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>  I've bought a 9 1/2hp National Gas engine made in the UK, the engine  dates
> around 1905-06. I'm guessing that the nuts & bolts on this engine are  the
> Whitworth type threads.
> Is there a source for new studs, nuts & bolts, because several of the
> original ones are in bad shape.  A reprint of a manual for this engine  would also
> be very much appreciated.
>  Thanks,
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Petersburg, VA.
>

Original Whitworth sized nuts and bolts are no longer made
commercially, but there are specialist suppliers in the UK that make
them.

Later "British Standard Whitworth" or BSW nuts and bolts are
available, as are BSF or "British Standard Fine" in some sizes.

The difference between early Whitworth and later BSW is the size of
the hexagon. The earlier sizes were appreciably larger, but were
reduced during WWII and rationalised along with BSF threads so that
there was a common range of spanner sizes (not size for size) and the
reduced hexagon meant that less metal was used to make the fasteners.

We were able to buy mild steel hex bar in Whitworth sizes up until a
few years ago, and have a small stock of bar in the workshop.

Peter



--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 18:13:03 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:13:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <43C1C6AF.7030307@Ntelos.Net>




From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 17:17:46 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:17:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>

Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not 
. I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't 
check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed 
tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not 
need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to 
aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..


                                                                                              
Mark L Shattuck

                                                                                          
Waynesboro Va.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:04:22 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:04:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net> wrote:
> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
> . I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
> tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
> need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to
> aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
> Mark L Shattuck

Hi Mark:

One of the problems with a closed email group like the engine lists,
is that as soon as anyone catches a cold, it spreads round the group,
so we all need to keep an eye on what is happening on our computers,
whether we understand them or not.

Industry opinions vary on AOL from 'pretty poor' to 'worse than
useless', but it does suit a lot of people who cannot get involved in
setting up their own systems for some reason. We've been there, got
burnt and left it pretty quickly, but looking through the email
addresses of folks that we deal with, there is probably a 20% - 25%
usage of AOL, so it must suit them.

Microsoft has not a good reputation for bullet-proof software, and
this week's update/patch (you did get it didn't you?) shows yet
another hole for hackers to exploit. THAT is why all these precautions
are necessary, it's not just us here banging the drum. I don't use any
Microsoft software other than the operating system and Office,
everything else is from other places of supply.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 13 13:15:25 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:15:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] SAW BLADE SHARPENER (#6595554323) Photo
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601131610030.54276@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Keith,

Earlier you had commented on the crap photos that the dipwad simpson52 is
peddling on eBay these days.

Take a look at the photo with this item.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6595554323

Now THIS guy knows how to take a great photo!!!  Wanna bet that dipwad
simpson52 steals it and trys to sell it on eBay?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:40:05 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:40:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <200601131700.k0DH03o4019388@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F38FDA3EB1589D6B1705F76C7260@phx.gbl>



>    2. Re: Sheet metal work (Richard Fink Sr)
     4. Re: Sheet metal work (Dave Rotigel)

>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:07:48 -0800
>From: Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sheet metal work
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060112140350.01c45100 at mail.pennswoods.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Andy an item you may try is called glazing compound. But you can't put it
>on thick and the metal needs priming first. It sands down very easy but you
>should use a board sander so you don't get dips in it. then prime over it.
>R Fink
>PA
>
>
>

>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:33:32 -0500
>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sheet metal work
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060112151908.15cd1d58 at mail.alltel.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
of surface prep is needed before application?
>
>Hi Andy,
>          The product that you want is Icing. It's a Polyester Finishing
>Putty marketed by USC. Like BONDO it's a two part mixture. Unlike BONDO it
>is ready to sand in 15 minutes (you only have about 5 minutes working time)
>and it sands VERY easily. It's also a LOT smoother than BONDO. You can put
>the stuff on up to 1/4" thick and it is (to some extent) flexible. Sand the
>tin and prime the metal prior to applying the Icing. If there remains LOTS
>of rust in the deeper pits you might consider using Extend (or some similar
>rust treatment) prior to the priming. the only place that I would not use
>Icing is where there will be extreme heat (as on a heat near an exhaust
>valve for instance.)
>          Dave
>PS, Icing comes in a 24 oz. tube and costs about $20.00. One tube (two at
>the most) will more than do your Oliver tin! You can buy Icing at any good
>auto paint store--hell they even carry it at several "cut-rate" auto supply
>stores here in PA!
>
Thanks to everyone for the helpful hints on my new project.  I was actually 
thinking that this sheet metal might be a good candidate for the 
electrolysis bath.  My tank should be large enough for most od the pieces.  
This is delicate work for me.  I'm a little more at home with the Huber 
steamer and unstyled tractors.




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 13 14:16:44 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:16:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: old Sel Post Re antivirus
In-Reply-To: <200601132208.k0DM8QWR005105@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
References: <200601132208.k0DM8QWR005105@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <43C826CC.10805@imc-group.com>

Seems some old emails from Mark are showing up on the list again. Mark 
asked me to post this, saying he is NOT trying to get this thread going 
again!
Curt Holland
 

Mark L Shattuck wrote:

>Curt . I don't know were the old message came from but I am not trying to
>start another thread on this subject . I have tried to post this on the list
>but my e-mail bounces when posting to the list  . I hope there is some way
>to let the list know this . Thanks for any help . I do enjoy the engine
>posts every much  and also have an interest in the hit& miss engines  once
>again Thanks 
>
>                                      Mark L Shattuck
>
>
>  
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Fri Jan 13 14:57:43 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:57:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F38FDA3EB1589D6B1705F76C7260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200601132258.k0DMvtkV004661@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Thanks to everyone for the helpful hints on my new project.  I was actually 
thinking that this sheet metal might be a good candidate for the 
electrolysis bath.  My tank should be large enough for most od the pieces.  
This is delicate work for me.  I'm a little more at home with the Huber 
steamer and unstyled tractors.

~~~~~~~~~

I've used electrolysis extensively and have concluded it is not a
do-all/end-all solution for rust removal.  I've had good results de-rusting
sheet metal that is only slightly rusty; however, if it is deeply pitted,
electrolysis is not likely to remove the rust at the bottom of the craters.


I always start every de-rusting job with electrolysis.  If it works, fine.
But, in those cases where it cannot finish the job, I have to reach down
into my bag of tricks and try something else.  

I tried for most of a summer to get the pits out of an old Ford running
board, via electrolysis. It just wouldn't come out of the pits.  I finally
gave up and just slapped a coat of paint on it.  After all, nobody would
ever see it because it got covered with a rubber tread.  

I'd like to emphasize what someone else said about abrasive blasting making
sheet metal look like ocean waves.   Once-upon-a-time I blasted the visor
off the same old Ford.  I'd heard all about its causing warping of sheet
metal, so I took all the precautions I knew of.  Because I was so careful, I
didn't think it would warp; after all, the piece was only six inches wide,
or so.  (BTW, I tried electrolysis, first.)  

After all the rust was gone it looked fantastic!  "Good job," said I.  It
wasn't until I started sanding the prime coat that I discovered the piece
was about as flat as a potato chip.  Not only did I still have to get out
the Bondo, I had to deal with a dislocated shoulder caused by all that
back-patting I gave myself.  

Regards,

Orrin





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jan 13 15:00:10 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:00:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: old Sel Post Re antivirus
References: <200601132208.k0DM8QWR005105@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
	<43C826CC.10805@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c61895$2dd62340$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>

> Seems some old emails from Mark are showing up on the list again. <<

I often see a reply on the lists to a mail I never received as a list 
subscriber. I often wonder if there is an electronic dead letter place in 
cyberspace!
All those electrons collecting in one place!! We will need em one day to 
keep the internet running! <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From avanti_64 at juno.com  Fri Jan 13 16:46:04 2006
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:46:04 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: IM62827 Response to your email regarding image or t
	ext theft.  (KMM200468178V22364L0KM)
Message-ID: <20060113.164635.23349.23510@webmail38.lax.untd.com>

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 13 17:10:38 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:10:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
Message-ID: <20060113.171038.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all. One more question about the Economy.  I put the new catch block
on the push rod, and a new detent blade on.  When the blade is in the
miss position and the cam comes around to open the exhaust valve, the
catch block is moved 3/8" off the blade.  All my other engines are
adjusted to clear 1/16" or less.  The catch block goes in a machined slot
in the push rod, so the only thing I can think of it Hit n Miss sent a
detent blade that is too short.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From mullt at att.net  Fri Jan 13 18:07:34 2006
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:07:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: old Sel Post Re antivirus
Message-ID: <011420060207.29942.43C85CE60005AC84000074F621603762239B04049A03@att.net>

I also frequenty get replys to messages that I never received the orginal posted message. It happens, not just on this board, but others as well. I guess the orginal messages are "lost in cybersapce".

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> 
> > Seems some old emails from Mark are showing up on the list again. <<
> 
> I often see a reply on the lists to a mail I never received as a list 
> subscriber. I often wonder if there is an electronic dead letter place in 
> cyberspace!
> All those electrons collecting in one place!! We will need em one day to 
> keep the internet running! <G>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 13 18:41:49 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SAW BLADE SHARPENER (#6595554323) Photo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601131610030.54276@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601131610030.54276@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43C864ED.1000207@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

I think we have as a group turned him into a wether regarding our 
pictures. I've had no luck getting the negative feedback removed for a 
cancelled auction, but all in all I think it is hurting him. Not a lot 
of bidding lately on his stuff. Keith did well in getting auctions 
cancelled and I imagine E-bay kicked him around a bit. All in all I 
think our community of engine nuts did quite well.

Jeff
PS Thanks for all the JD E replies.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Keith,
>
>Earlier you had commented on the crap photos that the dipwad simpson52 is
>peddling on eBay these days.
>
>Take a look at the photo with this item.
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6595554323
>
>Now THIS guy knows how to take a great photo!!!  Wanna bet that dipwad
>simpson52 steals it and trys to sell it on eBay?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Jan 13 19:07:36 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:07:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
References: <20060113.171038.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004901c618b7$adba7e40$52f7123f@oemcomputer>

Ron,

The detent blade is adjustable back and forth, but I assume you are out of
adjustment room.  There are two different blades - one for the small engines
and another for all the rest.  There are also two different blade holders.
One has one bolt to hold the blade on and the other has two bolts.  Each
takes a different blade.  Get a piece of 3/16" x 3/4" strap iron and make
one or weld an extension on the one you have.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy


> Hi all. One more question about the Economy.  I put the new catch block
> on the push rod, and a new detent blade on.  When the blade is in the
> miss position and the cam comes around to open the exhaust valve, the
> catch block is moved 3/8" off the blade.  All my other engines are
> adjusted to clear 1/16" or less.  The catch block goes in a machined slot
> in the push rod, so the only thing I can think of it Hit n Miss sent a
> detent blade that is too short.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan 13 20:08:54 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 Referring to below - "this week's update" - just one? 
As a government agency, we subscribe to alerts and lists that show of things
most folks at home will never see, and there were several patches to MS
products this week - from Exchange/Outlook to IE to Windoze XP to their 2003
server products and so on. We've had to do emergency roll-outs of patches
several times in the last month.

You could push an oil field engine through those holes..........
MS never has just a Maytag sized hole, they do it big when they do it.

That being said - unless you PATCH your operating system on a regular basis
- I do automatic updates every week (and hourly AV definition updates) the
antivirus can't do it all - and can't help if your OS isn't patched.

OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
real outside work finally!
You lucky southerners get to work on your toys year-round. We have to do it
when we can (unless we have the bucks and resources to heat our shops) so
I'm looking forward to some relief from cabin fever - plus finally getting
over whatever has kept me from feeling like even going outside for a couple
of months now.


Bill
Runnells, Iowa



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT

>>Microsoft has not a good reputation for bullet-proof software, and this
week's update/patch (you did get it didn't you?) shows yet another hole for
hackers to exploit. THAT is why all these precautions are necessary, it's
not just us here banging the drum. I don't use any Microsoft software other
than the operating system and Office, everything else is from other places
of supply.<<




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 13 20:43:53 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:43:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
Message-ID: <20060113.204354.356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Glenn.  It sounds like Hit n Miss sent me the short one.  I think
I will cut it in the middle and splice a piece in to make it longer. 
Thanks again for your help.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:07:36 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
writes:
> Ron,
> 
> The detent blade is adjustable back and forth, but I assume you are 
> out of
> adjustment room.  There are two different blades - one for the small 
> engines
> and another for all the rest.  There are also two different blade 
> holders.
> One has one bolt to hold the blade on and the other has two bolts.  
> Each
> takes a different blade.  Get a piece of 3/16" x 3/4" strap iron and 
> make
> one or weld an extension on the one you have.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
>


From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jan 13 20:57:16 2006
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:57:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT/fun stuff
In-Reply-To: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43C884AC.9030702@wiktel.com>

I always thought Iowans were southerners.  Up here in our part of the 
country, 6 miles from the Canadian border, by Lake of the Woods, we 
consider any temperatures above Zero this time of the year as being 
warm.  It's actually been unseasonably "hot" lately, in the 20s and 
lower 30s.
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

>OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
>real outside work finally!
>You lucky southerners get to work on your toys year-round. We have to do it
>when we can (unless we have the bucks and resources to heat our shops) so
>I'm looking forward to some relief from cabin fever - plus finally getting
>over whatever has kept me from feeling like even going outside for a couple
>of months now.
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa
>
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Jan 13 22:15:53 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:15:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
In-Reply-To: <20060113.204354.356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20060113.204354.356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060114001304.020a1dd8@herculesengines.com>

I've had a similar situation on a couple of my Hercules built 
engines.  What I did was to stand the blade upright in a vice and 
built up braze on the end.  Then I ground it to shape.  I've built up 
as much as 1/2" and it has worked fine.
Keith


At 10:43 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks Glenn.  It sounds like Hit n Miss sent me the short one.  I think
>I will cut it in the middle and splice a piece in to make it longer.
>Thanks again for your help.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:07:36 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>writes:
> > Ron,
> >
> > The detent blade is adjustable back and forth, but I assume you are
> > out of
> > adjustment room.  There are two different blades - one for the small
> > engines
> > and another for all the rest.  There are also two different blade
> > holders.
> > One has one bolt to hold the blade on and the other has two bolts.
> > Each
> > takes a different blade.  Get a piece of 3/16" x 3/4" strap iron and
> > make
> > one or weld an extension on the one you have.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> >
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Fri Jan 13 13:45:23 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:45:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
	<6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>

Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 1/9/06, Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
>>. I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
>>check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
>>tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
>>need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to
>>aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>>Mark L Shattuck
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Mark:
>
>One of the problems with a closed email group like the engine lists,
>is that as soon as anyone catches a cold, it spreads round the group,
>so we all need to keep an eye on what is happening on our computers,
>whether we understand them or not.
>
>Industry opinions vary on AOL from 'pretty poor' to 'worse than
>useless', but it does suit a lot of people who cannot get involved in
>setting up their own systems for some reason. We've been there, got
>burnt and left it pretty quickly, but looking through the email
>addresses of folks that we deal with, there is probably a 20% - 25%
>usage of AOL, so it must suit them.
>
>Microsoft has not a good reputation for bullet-proof software, and
>this week's update/patch (you did get it didn't you?) shows yet
>another hole for hackers to exploit. THAT is why all these precautions
>are necessary, it's not just us here banging the drum. I don't use any
>Microsoft software other than the operating system and Office,
>everything else is from other places of supply.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
Peter I don't know were the OLD Mesg came from Please do not pay any 
attention to this post . I am not trying to start another thread on this 
subject . Its Friday the 13Th  . 
                                                                      
Mark L Shattuck


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 00:33:06 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:33:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
	<6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601140033p4a5529c8pc788f90f5d075cc4@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/13/06, Mark L Shattuck <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net> wrote:

> Peter I don't know were the OLD Mesg came from Please do not pay any
> attention to this post . I am not trying to start another thread on this
> subject . Its Friday the 13Th  .
>
> Mark L Shattuck

No problem, you're not superstitious surely? :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan 14 07:55:46 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
	<6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <22db4e7363d642494077fda0d8e38c58@chartertn.net>

> Peter I don't know were the OLD Mesg came from Please do not pay any 
> attention to this post . I am not trying to start another thread on 
> this subject . Its Friday the 13Th  .                                  
>                                     Mark L Shattuck

Those old messages come from someone with a virus-infected PC that's 
got that message archived and the SEL's address in the In box, Sent 
box, browser cache, or Address Book.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 14 15:18:57 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:18:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT, now weather
In-Reply-To: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43C986E1.2030303@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

>OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
>real outside work finally!
>
Over 50 here today and I did get outside work done. Todd and Dave 
visited Tom across the street and we killed a case of beer. It had to be 
done. Not often we can do that in the back yard in January.

More on topic is the club meeting I attended this morning. Looks like 
our club will have a building by next year. Long time coming and with 
the price of land around here it's the best we can do. I'm looking 
forward to helping with the project. The building will be contracted, 
but the wiring, etc. will be done by club members. Life is good here.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/






From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 14 15:51:30 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:51:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT, now weather
In-Reply-To: <43C986E1.2030303@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060114235130.61067.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

Yesterday, in western New York, we enjoyed blue  skies and temps in the mid 60's.  This day, by contrast, we had  wet snow, high winds, and temperatures in the 20's range.   Yeah....that is "more like it" but such swings are torture.
  While I know this is an "engine" site, some few of you might be  interested to know that (at least) two each of "H's" and "M's" have  come into my orbit.  Varying degrees of (dis) repair and I don't  know if I'll do anything about them.  They are virtually free,  but, then again....
  JM

Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hi all,

>OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
>real outside work finally!
>
Over 50 here today and I did get outside work done. Todd and Dave 
visited Tom across the street and we killed a case of beer. It had to be 
done. Not often we can do that in the back yard in January.

More on topic is the club meeting I attended this morning. Looks like 
our club will have a building by next year. Long time coming and with 
the price of land around here it's the best we can do. I'm looking 
forward to helping with the project. The building will be contracted, 
but the wiring, etc. will be done by club members. Life is good here.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




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From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jan 15 13:52:07 2006
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:52:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Problem
Message-ID: <200601151652070968.04CA9DDA@heavyiron.atis.net>

My anti-spam/virus service renewed the service over the weekend, including
some changes they made to their offerings since I renewed a year ago, and
there must be a problem with the stationary-engine.com domain.  The other
domains seem to be working fine.    They are aware of the problem and
hopefully will have it fixed by the morning.

I apologize for any inconvenience,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jan 16 15:51:56 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:51:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] e ngines
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060116154927.01b45c30@mail.pennswoods.net>


>
>Hi people i have for sale 2 hit and miss and 2 power unites. A Sattley 2hp 
>ser.51103 new ek mag runs great. Stover ct1 ser ta222246 1 1/2-2 hp new 
>mag and have a burr mill to go with this one if i can find it all. no.3 is 
>a Nove RF 3 1/4x5 ser. 3356 runs good. no.3 is a leroy 2 cyl don't have 
>numbers yet it has not run for me i think i have timing wrong. all are 
>pick up.$2000.00 for package. The Stover is barn fresh all i have done is 
>some cleaning and mag rebuilt it runs good  The two hit and miss are on 
>trucks but not fancy just 4 wheels and frame.
>Thanks for looking
>R Fink
>PA
>
>





From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 07:23:50 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:23:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
Message-ID: <1e1.4bc50237.30fe6606@aol.com>

I recently acquired a model T type buzz coil I assume was made for an old 
engine.  It has the three terminals on the top rather than 2 on top and one on 
end.  I think the two front terminals are the plus/negative and the one in the 
back is the spark.  The brass connector on the front terminal appears to have 
been for a round rod knife switch, but only a guess on my part.  I have never 
seen one like it.  I also have a round buzz coil which is unusual too if anyone 
interested.  Pictures at:  

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-011s.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-013s.jpg

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 17 09:29:40 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:29:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Reginald has arrived
Message-ID: <200601171933312.SM01808@new.databak.co.za>

Hi the Lists,
         "Reginald" the Ronnie N that Reg organised for me has arrived at 
his new home. I picked him up from the freight agents yesterday afternoon. 
I was actually there before they had even offloaded him from the truck that 
brought him from Durban (port of entry) to Johannesburg (central inland 
city in South Africa) so he was just loaded straight from their truck to my 
pickup.
         We got him home and tinkered a bit and he was soon chuffing along 
quite happily still in his packing crate with temporary cooling (hose pipe).
         He ran for about half an hour and then lost spark. it was late and 
I decided to leave it till today. A friend, Neville Botha came around today 
and in no time the magneto problem was found and sorted out and he is once 
again running quite happily.
         I was going to start his "stripdpwn" and restoration immediately 
but we are having a small show on Sunday and I have decided to give him his 
South African debut there - still in his packing crate with a temporary 
water tank for cooling. I'll then start the restoration next week - not so 
much "restoration" as he is actually in very good condition mechanically - 
it will be more of a good paint job to restore him to his original colour 
(black).
         A friend who owns a sheet metal fabricating shop has already 
started to fabricate a hopper (thanks to all the guys in Aus who gave me 
sizes and pictures) and Steve Kitto from Aus has very kindly given me a 
muffler which is in the post at present. I owe all you guys - thanks for 
the help and support.
         Of course I owe the biggest "Thank You" to Reg Ingold who made 
this whole thing happen in the first place.
         I'll have pics on my site soon and will keep the lists informed.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 17 10:41:28 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:41:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
References: <1e1.4bc50237.30fe6606@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001601c61b95$a1d22a20$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil


> I recently acquired a model T type buzz coil I assume was made for an old 
> engine.  It has the three terminals on the top rather than 2 on top and one on 
> end.  I think the two front terminals are the plus/negative and the one in the 
> back is the spark.  The brass connector on the front terminal appears to have 
> been for a round rod knife switch, but only a guess on my part.  I have never 
> seen one like it.  I also have a round buzz coil which is unusual too if anyone 
> interested.  Pictures at:  
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-011s.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-013s.jpg
> Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom, 20 years ago I owned an Internation Harvester "Tom Thumb".
I bought it off a Danish friend & after rebuilding  it I needed a Trembler coil.
I had a Ford trembler box but someone had used it for a drilling pad.
The Tom Thumb used a wooden box as trembler & battery container so
I made one using the metalwork from the Ford trembler, (The only thing workable)
I used a standard magneto coil with the Ford trembler mounted above.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/132322556QFbsdF and
the next two pictures. A 6 volt accumulator fits underneath the coil.
I took the pictures 20 years after building it so that is why it looks so tatty!
It was quite easy to make & is still working when required all these years later.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 11:25:28 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:25:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
Message-ID: <129.6c6461f2.30fe9ea8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/17/2006 2:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/132322556QFbsdF >>
Dave,

What does the meter measure, output voltage?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 17 12:40:45 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:40:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
Message-ID: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>

Last week Rob posted on making new brass items that looked like bling, 
turn to look like old parts in short order. About the same time there 
was a thread on old style pipe fittings as well.
Thoroughly inspired by Rob and the need for old style pipe fitting for 
my Stickney fuel pump project, I set about making some modern fittings 
look like old fittings.
First the fittings were chucked in a lathe by screwing a nipple and 
chucking on that nipple. Using a small tool the modern shoulders were 
turned off flush with the rest of the body of the fitting. Well close 
enough anyway. What mismatch I worked out with a small flat file and 
then a round bastard file to leave a rough blending finish. Also put a 
radius on the outside edges.

I had no real aspiration to impose chemical warfare on the neighbors 
'cause they are good folks! While Rob's experiments with phosgene gas 
seemed to have certain entertainment value I decided to try a safer 
route....at least at first!
The idea is to make rust which requres oxygen. Looking thru the chemical 
lab under the sink in the kitchen, there was hydrogen peroxide. Hmm, 
extra oxygen mixed with a little heat ought to make rust real fast. So I 
made a double boiler of sorts on the stove and heated a small glass of 
fittings submerged in hydrogen peroxide. Once things got warm 
considerable bubbling occurred and though I could not see the magic 
occurring beneath the burbling, I was sure to be delighted at the rusty 
fitting being created. After about 20 minutes, I hooked one and brought 
it out of the soup. Dang, it was a clean bright part! In fact there 
wasn't a lick of rust on the fitting anywhere, outside, inside, nowhere! ???
Well I didn't get the intended results, but hell I had discovered 
another method for cleaning parts that's much faster than the 
electrolysis method. This bears more investigation later....

Well now I am holding a couple of real bling looking fittings! What to 
do now? In the winter we run a wood stove constantly and that's free 
heat for the next experiment. A "high tech" hyperbaric chamber was set 
on the stove:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Pot.jpg>

Yup, that's a cast iron pot full of water. The fittings were hung by 
wire and suspended over the water, but not in the water. The top was 
closed over them and I let the fittings cook in the heat and humidity 
for 2 hours.

Pulled them out and wow! I was pleased:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty2.jpg>

and another view:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty1.jpg

So that's it, a little turning, a little filing, and a short time in the 
heat and humidity and viola, you can have fittings that look like they 
are a 100 years old.
If SWMBO will agree I may try some on the kitchen stove or even in the 
dishwasher next.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Haven't tried this with brass yet.










From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 17 12:35:09 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:35:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
In-Reply-To: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
References: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601171530010.4489@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Pretty neat info on the hydrogen peroxide.  I'm gonna have to experiment
with that as a cleaner myself!!

As for the fittings that look too new, you need to revisit Rob & Kelley's
website.  http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis/index.html
"Reverse Electrolysis - Creating an antique patina on new metal parts."

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Curt wrote:

> So I
> made a double boiler of sorts on the stove and heated a small glass of
> fittings submerged in hydrogen peroxide. Once things got warm
> considerable bubbling occurred and though I could not see the magic
> occurring beneath the burbling, I was sure to be delighted at the rusty
> fitting being created. After about 20 minutes, I hooked one and brought
> it out of the soup. Dang, it was a clean bright part! In fact there
> wasn't a lick of rust on the fitting anywhere, outside, inside, nowhere! ???
> Well I didn't get the intended results, but hell I had discovered
> another method for cleaning parts that's much faster than the
> electrolysis method. This bears more investigation later....

<snip>

> Yup, that's a cast iron pot full of water. The fittings were hung by
> wire and suspended over the water, but not in the water. The top was
> closed over them and I let the fittings cook in the heat and humidity
> for 2 hours.



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Tue Jan 17 13:10:28 2006
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:10:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Passing of Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine at Portland, IN Show)_
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A569@email03.bsu.edu>

Tom Hidy of rural Bryant, IN passed away yesterday at age 76.  Tom was the individual mostly responsible for the 1994 restoration of the 55Hp 1915 Muncie Oil Engine owned by and displayed annually at the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor Assn., Portland, IN.  I plan to post a Memorial on Harry's Old Engine Memorials site and will include more information there along with a link to a picture of the Muncie Oil Engine.
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN  USA



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jan 17 13:42:47 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:42:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
References: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601171530010.4489@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <011801c61baf$944b08d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

As the electrolosis method uses Hydrogen bubbles forming on the surface of 
the metal to move the 'overburden', there seems to be a link in there 
somewhere.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "Dusty Erickson" <dme at gameguns.com>; "SEL" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings


> Hi Curt,
>
> Pretty neat info on the hydrogen peroxide.  I'm gonna have to experiment
> with that as a cleaner myself!!




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 17 13:48:33 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:48:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
References: <129.6c6461f2.30fe9ea8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901c61baf$c48b7b60$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] buzz coil


> In a message dated 1/17/2006 2:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
> << http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/132322556QFbsdF 
> What does the meter measure, output voltage?  
> Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom, It is an Old Accumulator charge state Meter. I just took a picture of
it for you  & added it to Webshots. It is connected to the cells with the switch.
The previous address will let you see it or go to 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/545794050/545794050ubaRWu
to see it direct. You will see on top of the box it says " This way up-Acid"
This refers to the 6 volt battery in the box.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 17 14:00:12 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:00:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] The OIL ENGINE MANUAL
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601171652290.4489@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Are you interested in the old British oil engines, but you're not keen on
dropping $160 plus shipping to own a First Edition of this book?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6596132769

Help is at hand.  Go to ABE http://www.abebooks.com/ and put OIL ENGINE
MANUAL into the search box.  Loads of copies (second edition and higher)
starting around $20.  I figger how much could things have changed between
1939 and 1941?  8-))  Enjoy!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 17 15:14:28 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:14:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
Message-ID: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>


Hi all.  (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)

With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
running on the mag and ignitor today.  First I had to lengthen the detent
blade ?", then set the valve timing, and ignition timing.  Cranked her
over a couple of time and off it went.  I am not happy with the speed
control, the fast adjustment is ok but one notch slower is all it will
move, won't go to the slowest notch.  More adjustment tomorrow.  Life is
good.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 17 16:43:13 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:43:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Hi all:

   I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer stuff 
, I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first 
attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I learn 
more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip or 
two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the space 
til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful 
hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat me 
up if you wish I kinda like it

the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
 Gents start your engines
Rex

Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s 




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 17 17:16:06 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:16:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001001c61bcc$c43788d0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Thats good news Ron , nothing like that first run after all the thinking and 
putterin , kinda like your first kiss all over again , I think we all feel 
the same when we git that ole stuff doing waht it otter.

Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs


>
> Hi all.  (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)
>
> With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
> running on the mag and ignitor today.  >snip< 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jan 17 17:24:52 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:24:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <20060117.202501.1192.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rex,

I think you did a great job on the site.

Except that the 3rd & 4th engine look like the same picture.

Keep up the good work and next you'll learn about "thumbnails".

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 17 20:17:45 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:17:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060117231222.16079398@mail.alltel.net>

Very nice start Rex! I'll bring the proper "tool" to Baraboo this year and 
we can finish the job you have started on that 1937 Model 92 MAYTAG!
         Dave
PS, It worries me a bit that you "kinda like it" when Robe beats you. But 
what the hell there are all kinds of people on this List!
PPS, OM's are GOOD--and so is life!

At 07:43 PM 1/17/2006, you wrote:
>Hi all:
>   I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer 
> stuff , I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is 
> my first attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here 
> on as I learn more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe 
> shoot me a tip or two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is 
> there to fill the space til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in 
> advance for any helpful hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the 
> site And Rob you can beat me up if you wish I kinda like it
>the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>Gents start your engines
>Rex
>Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 17 20:22:34 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:22:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <20060117.202501.1192.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060117.202501.1192.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060117231842.1607b300@mail.alltel.net>


>Except that the 3rd & 4th engine look like the same picture.
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

Good doG Joe, read Rex's original post again. The 4th picture is a "place 
holder!"
         Dave
PS, Give Sil a hug for me! 



From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 17 17:50:58 2006
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:50:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000201c61bd1$a1fc0200$2b63fc04@lyle0592c054dd>

Rex, for not knowing much about computers you did a bang up job on your
website. I enjoyed looking at your photos and keep up the good work.
Lyle Myles

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
 . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website

Hi all:

   I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer stuff 
, I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first 
attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I learn

more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip or

two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the space 
til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful 
hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat me

up if you wish I kinda like it

the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
 Gents start your engines
Rex

Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s 


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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jan 18 01:22:30 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:22:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>

Test only
kerry


From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 18 02:08:37 2006
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:08:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <20060118100837.42632.qmail@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great start Rex well done, it is good to see your
engines.

Kerry 

Lithgow NSW  OZ



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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Jan 18 03:50:51 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:50:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] For your interest
Message-ID: <43CE2B9B.9030903@wightman.ca>

http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=123909&query=retrieval

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jan 18 02:53:25 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:53:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
	<000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>

G'Day All

Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines, still not 
totally finished but I think it has now enough photos to be of some 
interest, the purpose is to be able to see a library of as many Oz built 
engines as possible, I don't think this has been done like this yet and we 
don't have a book like the UK or US has.
Looking for any feed back to improve the site and again thanks to Jim 
Dunmyer

http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html


Also been working on a web site to show others of the area around where I 
live, hope you like the pics and would I love to see pics of other peoples 
areas

http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Lithgow.html

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ

WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/

skype ID:   ozengine 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 18 03:39:19 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:39:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt><000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
	<001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <000f01c61c23$d5521fc0$99422ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

Good one Kerry .......I have some West Australian marine engines not on your 
list so far , I will get them to you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages


> G'Day All
>
> Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines, still not 
> totally finished but I think it has now enough photos to be of some 
> interest, the purpose is to be able to see a library of as many Oz built 
> engines as possible, I don't think this has been done like this yet and we 
> don't have a book like the UK or US has.
> Looking for any feed back to improve the site and again thanks to Jim 
> Dunmyer
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html
>
>
> Also been working on a web site to show others of the area around where I 
> live, hope you like the pics and would I love to see pics of other peoples 
> areas
>
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Lithgow.html
>
> Kerry Morris
> Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
> WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/
>
> skype ID:   ozengine
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 18 03:49:25 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:49:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <011820061149.17131.43CE2B450004F162000042EB21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Rex,
Your site looks really great to me, sure beats anything Ive got.
How come you don't bring your pal "Tiny" to Baraboo?
regards,
Curt Andree


> Hi all:
> 
>    I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer stuff 
> , I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first 
> attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I learn 
> more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip or 
> two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the space 
> til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful 
> hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat me 
> up if you wish I kinda like it
> 
> the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>  Gents start your engines
> Rex
> 
> Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s 
> 
> 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 04:06:50 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:06:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
In-Reply-To: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2157ED3FAD1BF9CD446190C81D0@phx.gbl>

Curt,

I hope Devin doesn't read ALL the mail on this list!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==========================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>....... by screwing a nipple and chucking on that nipple. Using a small 
>tool........
>
>
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 18 04:41:58 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages/ Morris Engines of Oz Website
In-Reply-To: <001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>	<000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
	<001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <43CE3796.6040703@imc-group.com>

Kerry,
Very nice effort and sure to become a resource for all interested in Oz 
engines. Your work on the Cooper history is outstanding.
A couple of questions:
CT Deutscher & Sons shows the Triumph line and the _GEM line_.
Chas Walker shows the _Star line_
As I recall the Star and GEM are the same engine. What is the history of 
Deutscher and Chas Walker? Both were in Ballarat, Vic.

The Horwood & Bagshaw engine....is this the same company as Bagshaw & 
Sons of Adelaide, SA? Bagshaw & Sons manufactured that beautifully 
restored wine pump that was at the Narracoorte ralley.

As I looked thru all the pictures on your site it was amazing the number 
of these engines I had seen. Not just the same makes, but the exact 
engines. We covered a lot of ground and saw a LOT of engines in 2 weeks 
last March!

Once again thank you for this excellent contribution to the hobby.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Kerry wrote:

> G'Day All
>
> Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines, still not 
> totally finished but I think it has now enough photos to be of some 
> interest, the purpose is to be able to see a library of as many Oz 
> built engines as possible, I don't think this has been done like this 
> yet and we don't have a book like the UK or US has.
> Looking for any feed back to improve the site and again thanks to Jim 
> Dunmyer
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html
>
>
> Also been working on a web site to show others of the area around 
> where I live, hope you like the pics and would I love to see pics of 
> other peoples areas
>
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Lithgow.html
>
> Kerry Morris
> Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
> WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/
>
> skype ID:   ozengine
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 18 05:11:36 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:11:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <1642.165.206.180.34.1137589896.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Hey, not bad for a first attempt.
TIP: (and take it for what it's worth) Lost the all caps. Makes it harder
to read and discriminate sentences. All caps for page headings if "ok",
but never use it elsewhere. Another tip - all caps also hurts in search
engine results - you are penalized for using all caps in the results if
you want your page to be found.

Bill
Runnells, IA

> Hi all:
>
>    I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer
> stuff
> , I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first
> attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I
> learn
> more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip
> or
> two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the
> space
> til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful
> hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat
> me
> up if you wish I kinda like it
>
> the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>  Gents start your engines
> Rex
>
> Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 05:25:00 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:25:00 EST
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <2b2.30d4a68.30ff9bac@aol.com>

Rex,  

Great looking site and engines!  Was the 1918 Economy E converted from 
Webster to Wico magneto?  I did not think the Wico mag came along till around 1923.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 05:38:21 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:38:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
Message-ID: <f4.608236c2.30ff9ecd@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/18/2006 6:30:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

<< Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines >>

Hi Kerry,

Enjoyed looking/reading about all the Australian engines and makers.  Thanks 
for doing it as there is lots of time and hard work getting it all together.  
Probably not much hope for me ever "getting it all together"!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 07:16:00 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Illinois SEL members / transportation
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23F5306D941AB0AB86A5DEC81D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

I saw a couple ads on Harry's of some water pumps I'd like to buy. They are 
located in Cornell, Illinois which is about 45 miles north of Bloomington or 
60 miles south west of Joliet. Does anybody live in this area that could 
possibly pick them and get them moving via the SEL Express?

http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9317
http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9316

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Jan 18 07:34:37 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Illinois SEL members / transportation
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F23F5306D941AB0AB86A5DEC81D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060118153437.58092.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Luke

I know John and am looking for an excuse to go by his place some time when
I am down that way.  He does setup at the Portland Swap and Show.



Steve
--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Everybody,
 
I saw a couple ads on Harry's of some water pumps I'd like to buy. They
are located in Cornell, Illinois which is about 45 miles north of
Bloomington or 60 miles south west of Joliet. Does anybody live in this
area that could possibly pick them and get them moving via the SEL
Express?

http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9317
http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9316

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 08:11:04 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1ADA864B618F9D10A9CDCBB1D0@phx.gbl>

Good job Ron.  Sure you'll figger out the speed control.  Be more than glad 
to take some pix's if the sewer backs up.  Have fun playing with different 
gov springs.

   Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet mine down much. 
Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo regarding exhaust 
valve opening.

   For the second BIG SMILE....start her on the back kick (compression). 
That is impressive indeed.


  RickinMt.











>
> Hi all.  (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)
>
> With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
> running on the mag and ignitor today.  First I had to lengthen the detent
> blade ?", then set the valve timing, and ignition timing.  Cranked her
> over a couple of time and off it went.  I am not happy with the speed
> control, the fast adjustment is ok but one notch slower is all it will
> move, won't go to the slowest notch.  More adjustment tomorrow.  Life is
> good. 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 18 07:29:20 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:29:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>

The 4th picture is a "place 
holder!"
=        =        =        
Thanks Dave,
My mistake - 
I'm not much for reading.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        
(_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 09:45:17 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:45:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1ADA864B618F9D10A9CDCBB1D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet 
> mine down much. 
> Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo 
> regarding exhaust valve opening.

Hi Rick,
Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
effects.  

Rob









From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 18 10:37:49 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:37:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
Message-ID: <20060118.103749.191.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
I put an automotive glass pack muffler and extension in the vertical
position for shooting tennis balls, and it is very quiet.  Nothing more
irritating than sitting by a loud engine all day.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:04 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> Good job Ron.  Sure you'll figger out the speed control.  Be more 
> than glad 
> to take some pix's if the sewer backs up.  Have fun playing with 
> different 
> gov springs.
> 
>    Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet mine 
> down much. 
> Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo regarding 
> exhaust 
> valve opening.
> 
>    For the second BIG SMILE....start her on the back kick 
> (compression). 
> That is impressive indeed.
> 
> 
>   RickinMt.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 18 10:44:27 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060118134347.1610e1e8@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:29 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>The 4th picture is a "place
>holder!"
>=        =        =
>Thanks Dave,
>My mistake -
>I'm not much for reading.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

That's OK--but did you give Sil a hug for me?
         Dave 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 18 10:46:32 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:46:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
Message-ID: <20060118.104632.191.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rob.
So far I set it on the generic opening, starts to open 35-45degrees
before BDC and closes 5 degrees after ODC.  This is from memory, so I may
be off a  little.  It had no trouble running at 160 rpms on the coil and
plug.
I was looking on the WAPA web site for a picture to send to Rick S. but
can't find it.  What happened to all the old show pictures?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:45:17 -0800 "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
writes:
> 
> > Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet 
> > mine down much. 
> > Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo 
> > regarding exhaust valve opening.
> 
> Hi Rick,
> Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
> On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
> can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
> effects.  
> 
> Rob


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 18 11:10:11 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:10:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43CE9293.6090308@imc-group.com>

Rob,
For the sake of discussion I've got a couple of questions for you.
The open / dwell time of the cam can't really be adjusted. By jumping a 
few teeth to retard the opening of the exhaust valve you will also 
retard the closing of the exhaust valve at the conclusion of the exhaust 
stroke.
In general I time an engine missing the timing marks by setting the 
_closing_ point of the exhaust valve so that it closed right at or one 
tooth past TDC. I never pay any attention to where it opens. This allows 
a full charge on the intake stroke.
By doing as you suggest the piston will begin traveling back down the 
bore on the intake stroke, sucking burned exhaust gases back into the 
cylinder before the valve fully closes and only then can the intake 
valve be sucked open.
You will have a leaner charge in the cylinder to compress and fire next 
time around. I gather you have tried this and it worked OK? Is this an 
effective means of getting an engine to run slower in addition to being 
quieter?
I have found that ignition timing has a large impact on the bark of an 
engine. Late timing (to allow very slow running) results in a loud bark 
when the exhaust valve opens, and early timing (factory recommended 
setting) makes for a much quieter bark as most of the burning has occurred.
What have you discovered about adjusting the rocker arm adjustment on a 
Hercules/Jaeger? By unscrewing the adjuster you can effectively lessen 
the open time of the exhaust cycle. This would make it close sooner and 
open later and in conjunction with the retarded cam gear position you 
recommend, have you found this makes for a quieter, slower running engine?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Rob Skinner wrote:

>Hi Rick,
>Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
>On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
>can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
>effects.  
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 11:02:06 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:02:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV25DF2FE14DA7B67C78F53BB1D0@phx.gbl>

yea, mine's probably around 5 degree BBDC.  I'll play around with it some 
more.

'preciate it Rob

RickinMt.


>
> > Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet
> > mine down much.
> > Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo
> > regarding exhaust valve opening.
>
> Hi Rick,
> Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
> On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
> can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
> effects.
>
> Rob 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 11:17:19 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <20060118.103749.191.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV16538E6BDB7591F5C5379ABB1D0@phx.gbl>

IC...ok thanks anyway

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy runs


> Hi Rick.
> I put an automotive glass pack muffler and extension in the vertical
> position for shooting tennis balls, and it is very quiet.  Nothing more
> irritating than sitting by a loud engine all day.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:04 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> > Good job Ron.  Sure you'll figger out the speed control.  Be more 
> > than glad 
> > to take some pix's if the sewer backs up.  Have fun playing with 
> > different 
> > gov springs.
> > 
> >    Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet mine 
> > down much. 
> > Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo regarding 
> > exhaust 
> > valve opening.
> > 
> >    For the second BIG SMILE....start her on the back kick 
> > (compression). 
> > That is impressive indeed.
> > 
> > 
> >   RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 11:38:19 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:38:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Illinois SEL members / transportation
In-Reply-To: <20060118153437.58092.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F868C5CAF5801576C2418BC81D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Steve,

I went ahead and bought the pumps. I spoke with John and he said he might 
not be able to make it to Portland at all this year. If you could pick them 
up some time and hold them until we can get together I would appreciate it. 
Let me know when you plan on going down to see him.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>
>Luke
>
>I know John and am looking for an excuse to go by his place some time when
>I am down that way.  He does setup at the Portland Swap and Show.
>
>
>Steve




From markshattuck at ntelos.net  Wed Jan 18 05:34:16 2006
From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:34:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <200601181334.k0IDYCFO023401@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>

Test Mark L Shattuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:23 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] test

Test only
kerry
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 18 16:07:37 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:07:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <200601181334.k0IDYCFO023401@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <000801c61c8c$5c3ae2c0$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark L Shattuck" <markshattuck at ntelos.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] test


> Test Mark L Shattuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:23 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> Test only
> kerry
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 16:41:44 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:41:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
In-Reply-To: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <010801c61c91$20d23300$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Pulled them out and wow! I was pleased:
>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty
2.jpg>
> 
> and another view:
>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty
1.jpg

Hey Curt, 
Those came out nicely!  So it was just the effect of a
couple hours of steam that did the trick?   

> are a 100 years old.
> If SWMBO will agree I may try some on the kitchen stove or


Just send her off to the market to buy you beer and crisps.
When she's out, use the vegetable steamer.
Good luck!

Here's some more data:
When doing reverse electrolysis, it seems that a sodium
chloride solution eats up the metal but doesn't leave any
color.  A solution of sodium bicarbonate leaves a nice brown
color.  There are other variables, that haven't been
eliminated, but the above seems at this time to be the most
likely factor.

Rob






From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 17:32:37 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43CEEC35.20604@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

This is not snipped. Wanted to keep the original to go with mine. The 
message below did give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Makes all the work I 
do on my site worthwhile when I get something like this. :-)

>Hello. 
>	My name is Terry Gold & I belong to The Dauphin Agricultural
>Heritage Club. We are a group of people interested in old farm equipment &
>restoring items to working condition. 
>	
>	What I was wondering was if we could have your permission to copy
>into print & on to disk, the information on your web site, to share with our
>members.
>
>Sincerely
>Terry Gold
>
Common courtesy is such a simple act, and I assure you I appreciated it. 
Permission was granted.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Jim French wrote:

> As this is still classed as the festive season, I'd just like you to 
> know that there are some folk around who are not low life, thieving 
> scum!  I received this pleasant and unexpected email today:
>
> ******
> Dear Helen,
>
> I am an archaeologist giving a talk at a conference in Japan in 
> January.  Your
> website - http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/balloon.htm - has a lovely 
> image of
> medieval ridge and furrow.  As the taker of the image you hold the 
> copyright. Would you mind if I copied this image to use in my talk?
>
> Best wishes,
> Don Henson
>
> Education and Outreach Officer
> Council for British Archaeology
>
> ***************
>
> Would I have known if he'd simply taken the picture and used it?  
> Never in a million years! What did it cost him to ask?  A few minutes 
> of his time to type the email.
> Needless to say, my answer was yes, and not only that, I uploaded a 
> selection of similar pictures, full resolution, to my website so that 
> he had a choice.
>
> I know this is slightly different, as he won't be making anything from 
> using my photo, but all the same, it makes the world of difference to 
> be ASKED instead of folk just TAKING.
>
> There.  Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy now?
>
> Dolly
>



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Jan 18 19:16:43 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:16:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
References: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060118134347.1610e1e8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000801c61ca6$c7d91780$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great 
tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of 
most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I 
will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again 
thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your 
special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 19:20:34 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:20:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <43CE9293.6090308@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012901c61ca7$514d62a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> For the sake of discussion I've got a couple of questions
for you.

Hi Curt,
I concur with all your observations regarding the timing of
the engine.  The cam profile is fixed, and to change one
event, you must change others.  It's a juggling act.  Keep
in mind you can reduce the valve lift, somewhat, without ill
effects.  

Rob




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 20:59:06 2006
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:59:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <000801c61ca6$c7d91780$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>

Rex
Right now I'm in college at Rhodes State at Lima Ohio. I'm working on a
degree in web design. The college has some real good books that break down
just how to set up your web sites. If you are interested in buying one of
these college books there about one hundred dollar, if interested contact me
at my e-mail address and I'll get you one. Some times they do have used ones
but most college students keep their books because they are so informative
and valuable for future work on web sites. If any other member is interested
you may also contact me. Thanks for such good input on so many different
topics.
Lyle Myles

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
 . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:17 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)

Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great 
tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of 
most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I 
will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again 
thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your 
special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 21:17:29 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:17:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Oiler Needed
Message-ID: <015d01c61cb7$a83c39f0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Does anyone have any oilers like this that they could part
with?
http://temp.rustyiron.com/dusty-oiler.jpg
 
Dusty needs one exactly like this one or a pair that look
close
They are 1/8" pipe thread, about 1.5" tall and 0.75"
diameter.
 
Reply directly to mailto:dme at gameguns.com
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 

 



From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 21:54:13 2006
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:54:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43CF2985.2060704@earthlink.net>

Well, heck, somehow I missed this link to the new website, can you repost it
Clint


Lyle Myles wrote:

>Rex
>Right now I'm in college at Rhodes State at Lima Ohio. I'm working on a
>degree in web design. The college has some real good books that break down
>just how to set up your web sites. If you are interested in buying one of
>these college books there about one hundred dollar, if interested contact me
>at my e-mail address and I'll get you one. Some times they do have used ones
>but most college students keep their books because they are so informative
>and valuable for future work on web sites. If any other member is interested
>you may also contact me. Thanks for such good input on so many different
>topics.
>Lyle Myles
>
>McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
>America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
>chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
>Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:17 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
>
>Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great 
>tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of 
>most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I 
>will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again 
>thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your 
>special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 21:55:29 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:55:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Drip Oiler Needed - Port Hole - Nathan - Austral
Message-ID: <018201c61cbc$f5f6a810$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

G'day mates,
I'm looking for a port hole oiler as would be found on an
early Austral.  The goal is to get two 2.5" oilers that I
think are correct for the engine, or a 3" to match the one
in the following picture.  
 
I'm measuring the extreme outside diameter of the brass.
The glass is about 0.25" smaller in diameter.  
 
Although it goes on an Australian engine, I've been told the
manufacturer is American.  Perhaps it was Nathan.  
 
A picture of an oiler that has been chopped up and modified
can be seen here:
http://temp.rustyiron.com/austral-oiler.jpg
 
Thanks for looking through your parts bins,
Rob
 
 
 
 
 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 22:52:04 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:52:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
In-Reply-To: <001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <01a601c61cc4$dd4c9830$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Been working on a new web site for Australian built
engines, 

Hi Kerry, 
That's fabulous!  When you blokes are talking about your
engines, we dwellers of the North often don't know what
you're talking about.  Your web page will help bridge the
divide.

> Also been working on a web site to show others of the area

> around where I live, hope you like the pics and would I
love to see pics of 
> other peoples areas

Gorgeous.  The pictures of the rocks make my fingers sweat
:-)  

Here's some picture's from our hood:
http://temp.rustyiron.com/puentehills   Hills behind our
neighborhood
http://temp.rustyiron.com/barstow    About two hours north
of here  
http://www.rustyiron.com/gobiland.html  Fun places

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 









From guitronics at comcast.net  Thu Jan 19 00:57:07 2006
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:57:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <43CEEC35.20604@earthlink.net>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>	<43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
	<43CEEC35.20604@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43CF5463.5080902@comcast.net>

This is how things should work....

               mike


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 19 01:12:25 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:12:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] NHMA  contact please.
Message-ID: <000301c61cd8$7a70e310$1e80a33a@ogborneuah38i3>

Could anyone in Australia please give me a contact for the NHMA. The page 
for the 2007 National does not give a contact for the National 
body.........not that I could see .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 19 01:29:10 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:29:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: new web site for Australian built engines
Message-ID: <000d01c61cda$cd96d3e0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Kerry,

It's a great start! I may be able to help with Mars and McDonald pics if you are in need. I am working on a Mordiesel and can give you a photo if you wish.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Jan 19 03:47:34 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:47:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Woodpecker engine
Message-ID: <01c201c61cee$2386aa60$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>


Subject: Re: Woodpecker engine


 Larry,

 To my knowledge there is no S/N dating list of the Woodpecker engines.
 Mike O'Malley (sp) in MA is very knowledgeable of what years some models
 were made. My files are upstairs in my barn. When I can catch a day that
 the temperature gets above zero I will get them and make a copy for you.
 This literature is mostly on the company and the different models that
 they made.

 Charlie Bryant
 From Central Maine where after yestertday
 its darn hard sledding. Heavy rains of several hours
 took all the snow off the ground and winds gusting
 to 60 mph blew all the sheet metal roofing off my
 "Hen House Pad" (at least its shut down the snow mobiles)


 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Larry K @ SmokStak" <larrykastens at hotmail.com>
 >>
>> This is the message:
>>
>> Charlie,
>> Is there a possibility of buying a copy of information on a 1 1/2 or 2 
>> hp. Woodpecker K?  Was the tag oval-shaped or rectangular?
>>
>> Is there a list of serial numbers and the corresponding years?  I am 
>> looking for the range of numbers for a 1915 Woodpecker.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Larry Kastens
>> Hereford, AZ



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jan 19 04:38:41 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:38:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
References: <01a601c61cc4$dd4c9830$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <00d401c61cf5$474d6ea0$ceba1dd3@morris>

G'Day Rob

>
> Hi Kerry,
> That's fabulous!  When you blokes are talking about your
> engines, we dwellers of the North often don't know what
> you're talking about.

Rob that not supprising WE often don't know what we are talking about either 
:-))

>
> Gorgeous.  The pictures of the rocks make my fingers sweat

I did not know you were a rock hanger, well done and thanks for the links 
around your area (BIG FORD) and the photos of you on cliff faces blows me 
away, you certainly live an eventfull life

All the best

Kerry

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ

WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/

skype ID:   ozengine


PS. after months of problems posting to the SEL now working again fine after 
Spencer reported anti-spam/virus service renewed the service.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 19 04:59:32 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:59:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000801c61ca6$c7d91780$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
	<000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <3052.165.206.180.34.1137675572.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

There is a TON of info posted by some Major universities on the web - for
free. Studies on usability, design, etc. They have done a TON of research
(mostly government grants, I'm sure, Dave)
My son HAS that degree - he designs web sites and logos for companies.
Well, he did until he found you have to be really lucky and live in the
right place to make anything - he's now in Korea teaching English making
more money.
He also said most customers were real turkeys that couldn't make up their
mind, or had it made up all too well and had crazy thoughts on web sites.
Said the work sucked, the headaches weren't worth it.
I sort of agree - I did it myself for a few years, then decided to do it
just for me and a choice few others.
It's more fun doing for yourself than for others who are clueless and
think flash, large animations and blinking neon text are cool.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> Rex
> Right now I'm in college at Rhodes State at Lima Ohio. I'm working on a
> degree in web design. The college has some real good books that break down
> just how to set up your web sites. If you are interested in buying one of
> these college books there about one hundred dollar, if interested contact
> me
> at my e-mail address and I'll get you one. Some times they do have used
> ones
> but most college students keep their books because they are so informative
> and valuable for future work on web sites. If any other member is
> interested
> you may also contact me. Thanks for such good input on so many different
> topics.
> Lyle Myles
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:17 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great
> tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of
> most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I
> will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again
> thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your
> special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 19 10:55:21 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:55:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint code
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV12A3B18C52023946916BFCBB1C0@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;

  FYI..the Dupont paint code K9791..maroon is still a good number although 
only available in Nason.

                             G9348..olive is also a good number.

  bottom line..he will mix up pints for me at Carquest.  This is good!!

  RickinMt. 


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 19 13:56:12 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:56:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
References: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<43CF2985.2060704@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001301c61d43$2c25ffe0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Clint wrote

> Well, heck, somehow I missed this link to the new website, can you repost 
> it
> Clint  <snip>
>
> Here it is again Clint
http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines


Rex
> 




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jan 19 17:21:30 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:21:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting item on ebay...wonder where these photos came
	from?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060119183313.007ee800@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <20060120012130.48440.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Take a look at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HIT-AND-MISS-MACHINE-ENGINE-GAS-MOTOR-STEAM_W0QQitemZ7583040505

I think another collector who had problems with another engine dealer
using their lister pictures is where they came from.

Steve

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan 19 18:10:31 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:10:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Interesting item on ebay...wonder where these photos came
	from?
In-Reply-To: <20060120012130.48440.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023501c61d66$b26dd550$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
> Take a look at:
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/HIT-AND-MISS-MACHINE-ENGINE-GAS-MOTOR-ST
EA
> M_W0QQitemZ7583040505
> 
> I think another collector who had problems with another
engine dealer
> using their lister pictures is where they came from.



I'd recognize those engines anywhere.  
They belong to Steve Gray and the images 
came off his web site.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 








From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 19 18:13:01 2006
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:13:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20060120021301.56329.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ron,
   
  Congrats on getting it running.
  When I fired up my 1928, 1-1/2hp Hercules S a couple three years ago it was a fast runner.  I pulled the stiff spring out of the Governor and put a much lighter one in.
   
  Now I fire it up on the fast setting and after a couple minutes I can move it to the medium setting.  I have to let it run for about a half hour before I can put it to the lowest setting.
   
  I might be done playing with slowing it down though after belting it up to my two hole corn sheller. I am even considering looking for a slightly stiffer spring to put in the Governor. Not as stiff as the one that was in there though.  As it is now I can stop the engine if I feed both sides fast.
   
  The sheller I am using is a very cool older one with the shaker screen under it.  I really wish I had got a picture of it working.
   
  Alan Bowen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
  
Hi all. (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)

With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
running on the mag and ignitor today. First I had to lengthen the detent
blade ?", then set the valve timing, and ignition timing. Cranked her
over a couple of time and off it went. I am not happy with the speed
control, the fast adjustment is ok but one notch slower is all it will
move, won't go to the slowest notch. More adjustment tomorrow. Life is
good.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
  


		
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Photos
 Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.

From driggars at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 19 20:02:59 2006
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:02:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <001301c61d43$2c25ffe0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>	<43CF2985.2060704@earthlink.net>
	<001301c61d43$2c25ffe0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <43D060F3.2080404@earthlink.net>

Rex

ah yes, very nice

Clint


Rex Hinz wrote:

> Clint wrote
>
>> Well, heck, somehow I missed this link to the new website, can you 
>> repost it
>> Clint  <snip>
>>
>> Here it is again Clint
>
> http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>
>
> Rex
>
>>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 08:14:04 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:14:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
Message-ID: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

A couple of really nice engines there.

View this Item on eBay at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597331030
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Ruston Hornsby stationary engine
11 h.p. open crank single cylinder Type 1ZHR
Item number: 6597331030
-----------------------------------------------------------------

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598234233
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Vintage 12 h.p. Lister stationary engine
Twin cylinder Diesel type CS 12/2
Item number: 6598234233
-----------------------------------------------------------------

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 21 09:12:30 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:12:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>

Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.

Tommy Turner




>Hi Folks,
>
>A couple of really nice engines there.
>
>View this Item on eBay at 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597331030
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Ruston Hornsby stationary engine
>11 h.p. open crank single cylinder Type 1ZHR
>Item number: 6597331030
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598234233
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Vintage 12 h.p. Lister stationary engine
>Twin cylinder Diesel type CS 12/2
>Item number: 6598234233
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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>
>
>  
>




From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Sat Jan 21 10:17:54 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:17:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>

Dear Tommy - Does one of the photo show part of the name tag saying it 
was made in India?

Regards,

Bob

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> A couple of really nice engines there.
>>
>> View this Item on eBay at 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597331030
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Ruston Hornsby stationary engine
>> 11 h.p. open crank single cylinder Type 1ZHR
>> Item number: 6597331030
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> View this Item on eBay at
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598234233
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Vintage 12 h.p. Lister stationary engine
>> Twin cylinder Diesel type CS 12/2
>> Item number: 6598234233
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jan 21 10:21:35 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:21:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.

Tommy,
Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
to bring 'em over.

Rob









From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 10:37:33 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:37:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/21/06, Bob W7AVK <rsrolfne at atnet.net> wrote:
> Dear Tommy - Does one of the photo show part of the name tag saying it
> was made in India?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> > Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
> >
> > Tommy Turner

Yes it does, Ruston & Hornsby set up an Indian subsidiary which made
many of the engine ranges up until they stopped production.

This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
caps etc etc.

The drive wheel and grooved belt  is for the electric brake which
would have been supplied with the engine as part of the thermodynamics
test rig. We have that wheel with our engine also, plus we have the
electric dynamometer as well.

The curious thing about these engines is that the cranksjaft is so
bl**dy long!  it is as wide as it is long, there must be nearly a foot
of spare crankshaft sticking out each side.

Another owner contacted us last week with an almost identical engine.
Seems that hard times are flushing out a few nice lumps.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 21 12:15:32 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:15:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>

I know Rob but I've never done the shipping from across the water thing 
and I really like to look at an old hunk of iron before I buy it.  The 
prices on them seem real reasonable to me.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>>Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
>>    
>>
>
>Tommy,
>Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
>to bring 'em over.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 21 13:47:39 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:47:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>


>This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
>1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
>caps etc etc.
>Peter

Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
engine List!
         Dave 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan 21 13:46:24 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:46:24 EST
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[SEL]=20Sattley=201=BC=20HP=20Status?=
Message-ID: <2c2.2583a04.310405b0@aol.com>

Hi List,
It was a good day, the Sattley 1? HP runs.  
I was a little surprised to find out that this engine is throttle  governed.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jan 21 14:40:05 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:40:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com><43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net><6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002301c61edb$a12893e0$0184dccb@oemcomputer>

YES!!!!!!!!!1
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:47
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay


> 
> >This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
> >1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
> >caps etc etc.
> >Peter
> 
> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
> engine List!
>          Dave 
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 15:33:30 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:33:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>

Hi Dave,

I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless 
of genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly not 
modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I doubt 
that I would be considered a collectible antique.

Jeff
PS. 50F in Denver
PPS. Hope the Steelers kick ass so I don't have to put up with two weeks 
of "American Football" BS in this town!!!
PPPS. Less than a month away from Daytona. :-) :-)

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>> This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
>> 1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
>> caps etc etc.
>> Peter
>
>
> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
> engine List!
>         Dave
>



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 21 16:37:52 2006
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:07:52 +1030
Subject: [SEL] a 3 min clip of a listeroid running
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com><43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000901c61eec$14912710$32c88890@chaos>

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4155505156623488980&q=engine



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 16:41:04 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:41:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com><43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00b401c61eec$874be150$918cf504@Ed>

I have decided to pass up the Fair-Banks Morse ZC  that I found in South 
Texas because it was made about 1953 to 1959 for the same reason, but it 
sure had nice 46 inch flywheels on it. The parts might be worth a lot to 
someone.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay


> Hi Dave,
>
> I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless of 
> genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly not 
> modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I doubt that 
> I would be considered a collectible antique.
>
> Jeff
> PS. 50F in Denver
> PPS. Hope the Steelers kick ass so I don't have to put up with two weeks 
> of "American Football" BS in this town!!!
> PPPS. Less than a month away from Daytona. :-) :-)
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>>
>>> This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
>>> 1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
>>> caps etc etc.
>>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
>> engine List!
>>         Dave
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 21 17:51:13 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:51:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>

Sorry Jeff, But NOTHING produced prior to 1937 is antique!
         Dave
PS, Steelers 31, Denver 21!
PPS, Zolfo in less than 38 days!

At 06:33 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless of 
>genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly not 
>modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I doubt that 
>I would be considered a collectible antique.
>
>Jeff
>PS. 50F in Denver
>PPS. Hope the Steelers kick ass so I don't have to put up with two weeks 
>of "American Football" BS in this town!!!
>PPPS. Less than a month away from Daytona. :-) :-)
>
>Jeff Allen



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 14:26:22 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:26:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1137882382.43d2b50eedc25@webmail.city-net.com>

Tommy,

All you need to do is rent a container.  Hell, you'd probably have room for a
few more goodies.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 14:44:42 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:44:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
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Hey Tommy,

This just keeps getting better and better.  Head over to England!!  It's a very
fun country to visit, great beer, better people, and loads of really
interesting old iron.  Trust me on this, shipping old iron to our side of the
pond ain't that complicated.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> I know Rob but I've never done the shipping from across the water thing 
> and I really like to look at an old hunk of iron before I buy it.  The 
> prices on them seem real reasonable to me.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
> 
> >>Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
> >>    
> >Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
> >to bring 'em over.



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jan 21 18:25:35 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:25:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com><43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net><6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net><43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Doncha mean after??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay


> Sorry Jeff, But NOTHING produced prior to 1937 is antique!
>         Dave




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 21 18:48:44 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>

What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the 
ship would sink!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hey Tommy,
>
>This just keeps getting better and better.  Head over to England!!  It's a very
>fun country to visit, great beer, better people, and loads of really
>interesting old iron.  Trust me on this, shipping old iron to our side of the
>pond ain't that complicated.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>I know Rob but I've never done the shipping from across the water thing 
>>and I really like to look at an old hunk of iron before I buy it.  The 
>>prices on them seem real reasonable to me.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, Ky
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
>>>>   
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
>>>to bring 'em over.
>>>      
>>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan 21 18:51:42 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>

Well Jeff, where guns are concerned in the U.S., anything made before 
1898 is an antique. (That probably qualifies Dave, but not many more of 
us.) Anything over 50 years old qualifies as a curio or relic. So, I 
guess the question is: Are you a curio, or a relic?

John

On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless 
> of genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly 
> not modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I 
> doubt that I would be considered a collectible antique.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 19:35:49 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:35:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1137900949.43d2fd9525063@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

It depends on the size of the container, where it's being shipped from and where
it's being shipped to.  The best thing to do is to visit a couple of shipping
company web sites or call 'em to get a quickie estimate.

Rather than the ship sinking, your container would probably be on deck instead
of in a hold, and just go over the side.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the 
> ship would sink!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 21 19:40:48 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:40:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>
	<009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121224029.16455e58@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:25 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>Doncha mean after??
>Reg & Marg Ingold.

Yup--MY BAD!
         Dave 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 21:31:28 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:31:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1137900949.43d2fd9525063@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
	<1137900949.43d2fd9525063@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43D318B0.7000504@earthlink.net>

Hi Tommy,

I think an engine left OZ to South Africa and made it with help of the 
list. Sure worth a shot if you want it. Hell, I'm looking at an LB that 
needs a home right now.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>It depends on the size of the container, where it's being shipped from and where
>it's being shipped to.  The best thing to do is to visit a couple of shipping
>company web sites or call 'em to get a quickie estimate.
>
>Rather than the ship sinking, your container would probably be on deck instead
>of in a hold, and just go over the side.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the 
>>ship would sink!
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 21:51:28 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:51:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43D31D60.5020800@earthlink.net>

Hells bells John,

I am a relic.

> something that has survived from a long time ago, often a part of 
> something old that has remained when the rest of it has decayed or 
> been destroyed

Jeff
PS Dave R. Steelers 17, Donkeys 3

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



John Culp wrote:

> Well Jeff, where guns are concerned in the U.S., anything made before 
> 1898 is an antique. (That probably qualifies Dave, but not many more 
> of us.) Anything over 50 years old qualifies as a curio or relic. So, 
> I guess the question is: Are you a curio, or a relic?
>
> John
>
> On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique 
>> regardless of genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and 
>> certainly not modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an 
>> antique. I doubt that I would be considered a collectible antique.
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:19:36 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:19:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220019k2aa1571an7b2ad15aab4fa585@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the
> ship would sink!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY

40ft container to California was about ?3K to ?4K without handling
charges. YMMV as Jim Dunmyer says.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:20:27 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:20:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121224029.16455e58@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>
	<009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121224029.16455e58@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220020l16001da5u8391e96c9c5157e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 09:25 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
> >Doncha mean after??
> >Reg & Marg Ingold.
>
> Yup--MY BAD!
>          Dave

Don't worry, Dave, we'll  make allowances for your age....:-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:24:48 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:24:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220024n15185175l14acbe098b8db769@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/21/06, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
> >1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
> >caps etc etc.
> >Peter
>
> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique
> engine List!
>          Dave
>

Yes, but if I wasn't truthful about the age, you would not know by
looking would you?

The Ruston HR range was made from the 1930's up to the 1960's. The
Lister CS and JP engines were also made over that range, in fact the
Lister 8/1 and 16/2 diesels went up to the 1970's as Iran was buying
them for oil and water pumping sets.

I can't recall the life span of the Lister D petrol engine, but it had
a 40+ year life span.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 22 01:01:02 2006
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:01:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Age?
Message-ID: <000801c61f32$5f563970$1b2a693a@fred>

Hi,
Can anyone help with the age of Hornsby eng No.45083.
also Hornsby eng No.46702.
Thanks.
Brian in Melbourne.

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:14:15 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:14:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Age?
In-Reply-To: <000801c61f32$5f563970$1b2a693a@fred>
References: <000801c61f32$5f563970$1b2a693a@fred>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220714n77707967n124e1f7581cf17fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone help with the age of Hornsby eng No.45083.
> also Hornsby eng No.46702.
> Thanks.
> Brian in Melbourne.

Ray Hooley is your man:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston

Ray's contact details are on the site.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 22 10:19:09 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:19:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D31D60.5020800@earthlink.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>
	<43D31D60.5020800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6b5e80e2c24e112a711d4c6ee2d0f5c4@chartertn.net>

I prefer to think of myself as a curio.

cu?ri?o ??  ?
n. pl. cu?ri?os
  A curious or unusual object of art or piece of bric-a-brac.

[Short for curiosity.]

curio

n : something unusual -- perhaps worthy of collecting [syn: curiosity, 
oddity, oddment, peculiarity, rarity]

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hells bells John,
>
> I am a relic.
>
>> something that has survived from a long time ago, often a part of 
>> something old that has remained when the rest of it has decayed or 
>> been destroyed


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan 22 11:41:40 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:41:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re:12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay/Now Oz to S.A.
In-Reply-To: <200601221700.k0MH05Ts006087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060122212134.00aba090@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 22/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 20
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:31:28 -0700
>From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
>
>Hi Tommy,
>
>I think an engine left OZ to South Africa and made it with help of the
>list. Sure worth a shot if you want it. Hell, I'm looking at an LB that
>needs a home right now.
>
>Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff,
         That would be my Ronnie N you are referring to and yes I did ask 
the List or help in getting it over from Aus to S.A. but although I had 
many helpful suggestions from the list I was not able to get it over "on 
the cheap" and in the end used a local Freight Forwarding Company. Although 
this was quite costly it was the best decision in the end as they do all 
the paperwork and iron out any problems. The whole thing went off pretty 
painlessly with their expertise.
         The list members have been very helpful with info on this engine 
and of course it would never have happened in the first place if it was not 
for Reg Ingold. Then Steve Kitto has posted me a spare muffler that he had 
and many other list members have offered help for which I am extremely 
grateful.
         Bear in mind also that mine is a small engine and probably weighs 
less than the Cylinder Head of the Ruston & Hornsby in question.

         Getting back to my Ronnie N - It arrived earlier this week 
(Monday) and went to it's first South African show today - still in it's 
shipping crate but running (Great carpentry Reg :-)) .

         I'll post pics soon. This was just a get together on a local farm 
and actually is more of a Bike and vintage car show but there were about 15 
engines. Unfortunately the day ended in tragedy when one of the bikers lost 
control of his bike and was killed.



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Jan 22 19:33:33 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:33:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
Message-ID: <000801c61fcd$cd8e7560$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Here's an old booklet for you. 
http://literature.rustyiron.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 20:15:37 2006
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:15:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
Message-ID: <194.4f0cd11c.3105b269@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/22/2006 9:53:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:

Here's  an old booklet for you.  
http://literature.rustyiron.com



Hi Rob,
Very nice!  Thank you.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 23 00:18:15 2006
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:18:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Magneto for Hornsby.OZ.
Message-ID: <000801c61ff5$8fd027f0$e495eedc@fred>

Hi ,
can anyone help me purchase a Bosch Low Tension Magneto for a 6HP. Hornsby.
Brian in Melbourne

From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jan 23 08:50:24 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:50:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
Message-ID: <20060123.115027.324.9.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rob,

Went to see the book and it led me to your Rusty Iron Site.

Excellent site !!!

I only had a few minutes to view.

Need to come back later.

Great Job.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        
(_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Mon Jan 23 14:42:59 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:42:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001c01c6206e$5da56690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Test only.

Ron

From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Mon Jan 23 15:08:38 2006
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:08:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] amusing Ebay item
Message-ID: <300ED8F2-8C65-11DA-8186-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

7581235305    Got a chuckle out of this one....  Guess Hit'n'miss and 
Otto bettter start charging for catalogs

Paul Gray



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 23 15:22:52 2006
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:52:52 +1030
Subject: [SEL] another video clip. (17 mins) not mine
Message-ID: <002f01c62073$ef5c76a0$32c88890@chaos>

Here is another video, runs for 17 mins.
  Allen's Adironkack (sp) Engine Show, takes place in 2004 in Bakers Mills,
NY.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-215102171687627389 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 23 16:22:20 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:22:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio
Message-ID: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>

This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From l-d-holderman at kconline.com  Mon Jan 23 16:42:22 2006
From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:42:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gas Engine Magazines  past issues
Message-ID: <001501c6207f$0f5f3130$d783f1d8@lholderman>

I have a friend that is selling several years of past issues of Gas Engine
Magazines on Ebay right now.  Check out Ebay number 758396712 and click on
other items that he has to sell and you will find several more GEM to finsh
out your collection.


Larry Holderman
Warsaw, Indiana




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 23 16:55:43 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] amusing Ebay item
In-Reply-To: <300ED8F2-8C65-11DA-8186-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
References: <300ED8F2-8C65-11DA-8186-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601231954430.28018@vegeta.city-net.com>

HOLY COW!!  And to think all these years I've been tossing the old
catalogs away!!  Man am I a dummy!!

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote:

> 7581235305    Got a chuckle out of this one....  Guess Hit'n'miss and
> Otto bettter start charging for catalogs



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 23 17:43:35 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:43:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL
  radio
In-Reply-To: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060123204120.16678e80@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
>Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations in OZ!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan 23 18:13:19 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:13:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
In-Reply-To: <20060123.115027.324.9.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c6208b$c024ad90$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Need to come back later.

Come back anytime, Joe.  We're open 24/7, and don't charge
by the hour.

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 












From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 23 20:58:14 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:14 +0800
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL  radio
References: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060123204120.16678e80@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001301c620a2$cc78d6e0$a0288795@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes Dave ,Wireless stations we do have .....some receivers are pedal 
operated. We also have sheep stations and railway stations ....once we even 
had Whaling stations !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio


> At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
>>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
>>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
>>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
>>Peter Ogborne
>
> Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations in 
> OZ!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 23 22:24:11 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:24:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D Carburator
Message-ID: <001401c620ae$ca968be0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

Can anyone help me locate a Schebler D carburettor, 1.5inch size? I need it for the McDonald 25HP single cylinder I am restoring.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au
Arcadia, NSW, Australia


From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Jan 24 15:04:59 2006
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:04:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL  radio
In-Reply-To: <001301c620a2$cc78d6e0$a0288795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4js9r6$h30iet@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>

Hey,steady on Peter,you'll have him completely confused. 
He'd be another of those "furriner's that think the Canning Stock Route is
an annual event. Or at least hope it was.
Ray Freeman
Perth Western Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 12:58 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio

Yes Dave ,Wireless stations we do have .....some receivers are pedal 
operated. We also have sheep stations and railway stations ....once we even 
had Whaling stations !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio


> At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
>>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
>>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
>>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
>>Peter Ogborne
>
> Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations in 
> OZ!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 


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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Jan 24 15:47:46 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:47:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL  radio
References: <4js9r6$h30iet@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <002801c62140$9462e310$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Not to mention the Long Yard.

Ron
Canberra ACT

----- Original Message -----
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio


> Hey,steady on Peter,you'll have him completely confused.
> He'd be another of those "furriner's that think the Canning Stock Route is
> an annual event. Or at least hope it was.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth Western Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter
ogborne
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 12:58 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio
>
> Yes Dave ,Wireless stations we do have .....some receivers are pedal
> operated. We also have sheep stations and railway stations ....once we
even
> had Whaling stations !
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio
>
>
> > At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
> >>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just
> >>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a
> >>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are
made
> >>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
> >>Peter Ogborne
> >
> > Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations
in
> > OZ!
> >         Dave
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan 24 19:28:50 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:28:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <e10bt1hlv48h44g5raqrb464kb1a3860jd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c6215f$763f2fa0$871117d1@net.telenet.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Mulhollan" <smulholl at yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> I'm looking for a starting crank for a 1-1/2 HP Economy hit-and-miss
> engine. It has a 1-1/4" shaft with a 5/16" keyway. If somebody has one
> or can point me in the right direction to find one it would be greatly
> appreciated. Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Jan 24 20:52:51 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:52:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>

Hi List,
Well, the Fairbanks Morse dishpan that I got at Christmas ran today  for the 
first time.  It needed a fuel tank and the magneto required  re-charging.  I 
finished installing the tank and fuel line with check valve  this afternoon.  
Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and then 
the sweet sound of it chugging away began.
The previous owner told me that the last time this engine ran was  about ten 
years ago.  It was a good thing for me that he had kept the  engine under 
cover for all these years.  It made the job of getting engine  into a running 
condition little easier.
   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Jan 24 21:14:58 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:14:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003401c6216e$4a52d720$9184dccb@oemcomputer>

Congrats on getting your engine going.It's always satisfying.I have a
dishpan F/M with original truck to get going one day.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:52
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


> Hi List,
> Well, the Fairbanks Morse dishpan that I got at Christmas ran today  for
the
> first time.  It needed a fuel tank and the magneto required  re-charging.
I
> finished installing the tank and fuel line with check valve  this
afternoon.
> Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and
then
> the sweet sound of it chugging away began.
> The previous owner told me that the last time this engine ran was  about
ten
> years ago.  It was a good thing for me that he had kept the  engine under
> cover for all these years.  It made the job of getting engine  into a
running
> condition little easier.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From segray at mlode.com  Tue Jan 24 23:11:09 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:11:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>
References: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43D7248D.1000903@mlode.com>

Hi Francis -

  Good to hear another FMC is now among the living. I have it's older 
brother, a 1916 headless 1 1/2 HP "Z" out in the shop now that is now 
(admittedly overly) restored and only needing gas, oil, water and a wire 
to the ignitor to fire it for the first time in many a moon. It was a 
FULL restoration from pouring new babbitt to rewinding the mag armature 
(first time I've tried that), to a complete cart fab. Had to fabricate 
several small parts for this one. Pictures are at:

http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/headless2.jpg
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/headless3.jpg
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/headless4.jpg

See you in Tulare?

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi List,
>Well, the Fairbanks Morse dishpan that I got at Christmas ran today  for the 
>first time.  It needed a fuel tank and the magneto required  re-charging.  I 
>finished installing the tank and fuel line with check valve  this afternoon.  
>Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and then 
>the sweet sound of it chugging away began.
>The previous owner told me that the last time this engine ran was  about ten 
>years ago.  It was a good thing for me that he had kept the  engine under 
>cover for all these years.  It made the job of getting engine  into a running 
>condition little easier.
>   
>
>Francis  Maciel
>Santa Maria, CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Jan 25 00:47:45 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:47:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
Message-ID: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

To all OZ members

I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit, trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.  

Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.

Ron   

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 25 02:18:12 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:18:12 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue..beware!
References: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <001301c62198$a9d9b2c0$79412ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

Ron ,you have left yourself wide open in saying that you have no knowledge
of virtue.
Beware of D Rotigel.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> To all OZ members
>
> I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any
> information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
>
> Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
>
> Ron
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Jan 25 02:45:12 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue..beware!
References: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<001301c62198$a9d9b2c0$79412ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <016001c6219c$765d7950$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Peter

Not wrong there.  However I have broad shoulders or a thick skull.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue..beware!


> Ron ,you have left yourself wide open in saying that you have no knowledge
> of virtue.
> Beware of D Rotigel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:47 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
>
>
> > To all OZ members
> >
> > I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
any
> > information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> > trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> > about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> >
> > Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> >
> > Ron
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 06:58:01 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:58:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 12:03:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:

<< Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and 
then 
 the sweet sound of it chugging away began. >>


Way to go Francis!  I need to get in my shop and do some of that work too!  
Maybe in another month after my beagles quit chasing rabbits.

Lots of long hours for nice shinny work on your headless Steve!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan 25 07:05:45 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:05:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <e10bt1hlv48h44g5raqrb464kb1a3860jd@4ax.com>
	<00d501c6215f$763f2fa0$871117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c621c0$d4333140$87ef123f@oemcomputer>

Steve,

If you have to yank on the flywheels very much, something else needs fixing.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "Engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Mulhollan" <smulholl at yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:22 PM
> Subject: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
>
>
> > I'm looking for a starting crank for a 1-1/2 HP Economy hit-and-miss
> > engine. It has a 1-1/4" shaft with a 5/16" keyway. If somebody has one
> > or can point me in the right direction to find one it would be greatly
> > appreciated. Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 07:31:38 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:31:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <7e.795d3774.3108f3da@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 11:33:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
segray at mlode.com writes:

See you  in Tulare?



Steve,
I hope to be there and see you again.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 07:42:25 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:42:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <1f5.1a62c270.3108f661@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 7:03:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:

Way to  go Francis!  I need to get in my shop and do some of that work  too!


Tom,
I have several other projects to finish some day.  But, it is  more fun 
working on a new acquisitions.  This Fairbanks Morse  Dishpan is my third open 
crankshaft engine.   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 07:47:21 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:47:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <2ce.236e925.3108f789@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:

I have  a
dishpan F/M with original truck to get going one  day.



Edd,
My engine has the oval metal base.  I haven't seen any dishpan  on a truck.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 25 08:02:42 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:02:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
Message-ID: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Steve,

I have no idea how old you are or even, what you look like.
However, I must value you as a friend.
I'm 61 and this old iron is getting heavier every year.

There has been much discussion on the list about hand cranks.
I had 2 in my lifetime.  I now have only one for my Stover CT-1.
I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

Last September at the Stumptown Steam Threshers Reunion, in New Athens,
Ohio a man with a trailer full of engines ( a seasoned veteran ) was
starting one of them on the trailer with a hand crank.  For some reason
the engine misfired and the hand crank came around and hit the guy in the
side of his face.  
It broke his jaw and cheek bones.  His head sweld up so bad his eye
popped out.
He was taken to the local hospital in Ohio and later flown to a hospital
in Pittsburgh so they could operate.

I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

My Witte is my hardeset starting engine and I run it on kerosene.
When it misfires and kicks backwards, when starting,  that engine jumps
up in the air and reminds me of the power that is transferred to the
flywheel.  

I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

Real simple - IT'S TOO DAMN DANGEROUS !!!

If you want it for DISPLAY PURPOSES ONLY - - - GREAT !!!
But you said "Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!"

I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jan 25 09:32:51 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:32:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com>
References: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>

Hi Tom-

I definitely got carried away, this time! All I have to say is, I 
shouldn't have any problems finding a smooth surface to put the water 
transfer decals on! It's a far cry from what I had to start with. Got to 
thinking the other day (that's dangerous); this is restoration # 22 for 
me. Yikes!!

CYA

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

><snip>
>
>Lots of long hours for nice shinny work on your headless Steve!
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>
>  
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Jan 25 09:34:11 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:34:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <2ce.236e925.3108f789@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200601251734.k0PHYInW017241@mail-gw.fsr.net>



Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:

I have  a
dishpan F/M with original truck to get going one  day.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Edd,
My engine has the oval metal base.  I haven't seen any dishpan  on a truck.


Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

~~~~~~~~~~~

I haven't seen a dishpan on a truck, but I've seen a dishpan truck.  It
showed up at a machine shop auction.  An old-timer had thrown away the
engine and bolted a sheet of plywood to the oval frame and had been using it
for his all-purpose shop cart.  

Not only did I want the cart, but I wanted that oval; mine was badly rusted.


To make a long story short, somebody else wanted that cart, too.  I dropped
out of the bidding at $275!  

The auctioneer and most of the crowd didn't understand what all the
excitement was about.  It's the only dishpan cart I've ever seen out here in
the boonies.  

Regards,

Orrin





From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 25 10:27:01 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>
References: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com> <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <43D7C2F5.2080205@imc-group.com>

Steve,
Gawd that is gorgeous work! Yes the backing on the WT decals should just 
disappear on your slicked surface.
Wow, 22 restorations? In how many years? I can't seem to get but 1 done 
every couple of years! :-(
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Gray wrote:

> Hi Tom-
>
> I definitely got carried away, this time! All I have to say is, I 
> shouldn't have any problems finding a smooth surface to put the water 
> transfer decals on! It's a far cry from what I had to start with. Got 
> to thinking the other day (that's dangerous); this is restoration # 22 
> for me. Yikes!!
>
> CYA
>
> - Steve
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 10:46:30 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:46:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>

Francis/Orrin,

What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I have 
probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin made 
reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in BRB, 
but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks Dave, 
but I already guessed it was oval!!

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 10:54:35 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:54:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <25d.5b70f9b.3109236b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 1:35:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< I can't seem to get but 1 done 
 every couple of years! >>


Curt, 

You are ahead of me now.  All I seem to do is get them running in as is 
condition, or tear them apart fix/order some things and then let them sit 
unassembled.  Maybe I need to quit letting my dogs chase rabbits so I have more time to 
do other things!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 11:03:26 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:03:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers
Message-ID: <196.4fb8e37f.3109257e@aol.com>

3 bearing scrapers no one has bid on yet.  3 hours left

http://cgi.ebay.com/Three-Machinist-Scrapers-Old-Tools_W0QQitemZ7582971972QQca
tegoryZ633QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 25 10:43:36 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:43:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251323000.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Joe,

Danger is what you make it.  If we were all so worried about potential
danger, we'd be in a different hobby.  I won't bore everyone with all of
the possible ways that our beloved old iron can hurt us.  I think we know,
although we probably don't dwell on it.

I think that any of us who have been in the hobby over five years can cite
examples of someone who has been hurt by every one of those "potential
dangers."  And we can all cite wonderful gory details.

The simple fact is that we get hurt when we get careless.

It's not the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the spinning
flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.  It's a person
who got careless.

I routinely use a hand crank on roughly half of my engines.  It's the
easiest way to start those engines; and on four of 'em, its the ONLY
way.  In ten years I've gotten whacked by a crank exactly once.  And guess
what?  I got careless.

We routinely make observations of US and English engine shows without
fences (compared to the Aussie shows with fences) and show no
wild increase in spectator injuries.

So it is with hand cranks.  When you walk around an English engine show
it's really rare to see a guy pulling flywheels.  They use hand cranks.
I've never seen anyone get whacked or seen folks with grevious hand crank
induced injuries.

A hand crank isn't some mysterious instrument of the devil.  It's a tool.
Just like a power drill or circular saw.  If you're not careful, it can
hurt you.  If you are careful, it won't.

Now, go be a man and go grab your crank!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

<parts snipped>
> There has been much discussion on the list about hand cranks.
> I had 2 in my lifetime.  I now have only one for my Stover CT-1.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
> Real simple - IT'S TOO DAMN DANGEROUS !!!
> If you want it for DISPLAY PURPOSES ONLY - - - GREAT !!!
> But you said "Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!"
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 25 11:19:59 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:19:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cheap engine on ebay
Message-ID: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>

There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see 
many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 25 11:21:41 2006
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:21:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013501c621e4$94538740$50248347@D6R3D961>

I have one of those oval bases out in the shop, It has a bent spot, but very 
repairable

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


> Francis/Orrin,
>
> What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I 
> have
> probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin 
> made
> reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in 
> BRB,
> but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks 
> Dave,
> but I already guessed it was oval!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 25 11:58:23 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:58:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251323000.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251323000.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <2707.165.206.180.34.1138219103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Gotta go with arnie here - I've been cranking tractors and engines since I
was a kid of how small. Been hit once in the leg (when I was a few years
younger) - I got "scared" and didn't handle it properly - getting scared
is what hurt me.
Some of the low tension or rotary mag engines can be a beast if you don't
use the crank.

Most like the Alamo/Rock Island, Chapman (battery ignition) and others
like them start with a couple flips of the flywheel.
It's a beast to try to get my IH M going that way.

I don't worry about it - I keep the shafts in good shape, the cranks in
good condition and use them properly.
I try to start those I can without a crank, but those that are difficult
get cranked.
 Will I get hurt? Maybe. But my son lost his eye (when he was 21) crossing
the street in front of his home one evening when a mugger slugged him
with a gun and crushed his face and eye.



> Hi Joe,
>
> Danger is what you make it.  If we were all so worried about potential
> danger, we'd be in a different hobby.  I won't bore everyone with all of
> the possible ways that our beloved old iron can hurt us.  I think we know,
> although we probably don't dwell on it.
>
> I think that any of us who have been in the hobby over five years can cite
> examples of someone who has been hurt by every one of those "potential
> dangers."  And we can all cite wonderful gory details.
>
> The simple fact is that we get hurt when we get careless.
>
> It's not the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the spinning
> flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.  It's a person
> who got careless.
>
> I routinely use a hand crank on roughly half of my engines.  It's the
> easiest way to start those engines; and on four of 'em, its the ONLY
> way.  In ten years I've gotten whacked by a crank exactly once.  And guess
> what?  I got careless.
>
> We routinely make observations of US and English engine shows without
> fences (compared to the Aussie shows with fences) and show no
> wild increase in spectator injuries.
>
> So it is with hand cranks.  When you walk around an English engine show
> it's really rare to see a guy pulling flywheels.  They use hand cranks.
> I've never seen anyone get whacked or seen folks with grevious hand crank
> induced injuries.
>
> A hand crank isn't some mysterious instrument of the devil.  It's a tool.
> Just like a power drill or circular saw.  If you're not careful, it can
> hurt you.  If you are careful, it won't.
>
> Now, go be a man and go grab your crank!!  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Jan 25 12:41:13 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:41:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status

Francis/Orrin,

What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I have 
probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin
made 
reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in
BRB, 
but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks
Dave, 
but I already guessed it was oval!!

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
~~~~~~~~~

Oval might be a bit of a misnomer, but it's the easiest way to describe
them.  

Imagine a piece of light weight channel iron made out of sheet metal.  Now,
imagine it bent to form two parallel sides with semi-circular ends.  That's
about as good a description that I can manage.  

The cart I bid on was obviously "factory."  The brackets that bolted to the
oval were either cast or forged to conform to the shape of the frame.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jan 25 12:46:22 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:46:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <43D7C2F5.2080205@imc-group.com>
References: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com> <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>
	<43D7C2F5.2080205@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43D7E39E.9080701@mlode.com>

Thanks, Curt -

  Actually, I've been slacking the last few years, basically since I 
moved up here in 2000, but I guess that averages out to be about 1 1/2 
to 2 restorations per year since 1991. The restoration part of the hobby 
is what got me started in this stuff in the first place and gives me 
something to do during the winter. This year, I've hit the jackpot with 
3 full/semi full restorations going at the same time. I've also been 
brewing some ideas on some custom model designs.

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Curt wrote:

> Steve,
> Gawd that is gorgeous work! Yes the backing on the WT decals should 
> just disappear on your slicked surface.
> Wow, 22 restorations? In how many years? I can't seem to get but 1 
> done every couple of years! :-(
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 25 12:34:53 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:34:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Cheap engine on ebay
In-Reply-To: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
References: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251531040.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>

FWIW, that seller seems to be a really good guy.  I had emailed him asking
if he could possibly send me some pics of how the screen cooler on the
tank was constructed as I want to do something similar for my Bessemer
half-breed.  He took and emailed me about a dozen detailed pics.  GOOD
engine man!!  I think you'd be able to trust what he says about the
engine.  It looks like a really nice example of a Cushman.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see
> many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 25 13:47:38 2006
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:47:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan base
References: <200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <01de01c621f8$f857d6b0$50248347@D6R3D961>

I have posted a couple pictures of the base I have, is this the one you guys 
are talking about?
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ


Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
> Francis/Orrin,
>
> What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?
> Imagine a piece of light weight channel iron made out of sheet metal. 
> Now,
> imagine it bent to form two parallel sides with semi-circular ends. 
> That's
> about as good a description that I can manage.
>
> The cart I bid on was obviously "factory."  The brackets that bolted to 
> the
> oval were either cast or forged to conform to the shape of the frame.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 25 14:12:41 2006
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:12:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status-Oval Base picture
In-Reply-To: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
References: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060125140941.028b3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Tom,

Take a look at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/fmovalbase/
to see a picture I scanned from Wendel's book on Fairbanks Morse 
history.  It shows the oval base with factory trucks.

Regards,
Larry Evans

At 10:46 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:
>Francis/Orrin,
>
>What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I have
>probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin made
>reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in BRB,
>but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks 
>Dave,
>but I already guessed it was oval!!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom Schmutz

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:35:29 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:35:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan base
Message-ID: <200.11039199.31095731@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 2:03:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
solarrog at pacbell.net writes:

I have  posted a couple pictures of the base I have, is this the one you guys 
are  talking about?


Roger,
Your base for the dishpan is similar to one I have.  Thanks  for posting it.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:40:40 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:40:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <1fe.10fdf99b.31095868@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:10:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:

What  exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the  dishpans? 


Tom,
Roger has posted a picture of the base.  Here is the URL for  his site:
< _http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0_ 
(http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0)   >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:51:53 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:51:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
Message-ID: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:47:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's not  the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the  spinning
flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.   It's a person
who got careless.


Arnie,
How true your words are!  I have the hand to prove it.   Yes, I tangled with 
crankshaft on my Economy.  I forgot that the Economy  had an open crankshaft.  
While trying to start it with an electric motor,  my hand slip into the 
crankshaft turning area.  Heck, it only took a trip  to the ER and ten stitches 
this time.  This is the same hand that tried to  stop my 4?" grinder.  I spent 
two days in the hospital with this boo boo.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:28:15 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:28:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <1fe.10fdf99b.31095868@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c62207$05a73f00$db85dccb@oemcomputer>

On page 73 of Fairbanks Morse 100 years of engine technology by Wendel there
is a pic of a dishpan on its original truck.This is the same as mine
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:40
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


>
> In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:10:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> Germoamer at aol.com writes:
>
> What  exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the  dishpans?
>
>
> Tom,
> Roger has posted a picture of the base.  Here is the URL for  his site:
> < _http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0_
> (http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0)   >
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 25 15:33:41 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:33:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Bill Strickland's Article In American Rifleman
Message-ID: <276464a91b46c5e968f3fb48865b8bd6@chartertn.net>

I just noticed in my new American Rifleman that there's a historical 
article about the Army's commissioning of the development of the 
.30-378 Weatherby, written by our fellow old iron nut Bill Strickland. 
The special rifle was used in high speed projectile research headed up 
by Bill's dad, also named William Strickland. This research was 
critical in the development of modern antitank projectiles and armor. 
They used special light projectiles of various materials, loaded up to 
muzzle velocities of 6000 FPS or so, fired into various targets at a 
range of 10 feet as very high speed movie cameras recorded the impacts. 
That's about as high a muzzle velocity as can be practically attained 
with smokeless rifle propellants, though light gas guns have achieved 
projectile velocities up to 19000 FPS or so.

Way to go, Bill! Very interesting article.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:33:25 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:33:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
Message-ID: <000901c62207$c0559ef0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>

All the best to those of our members in the eastern states who are 
experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I 
would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:41:43 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:41:43 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>

OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your whole 
hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the remaining 
fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks ,it puts that 
thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and thumb on one side of 
the handle just does not feel as comfortable...........your thoughts?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>
> In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:47:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
>
> It's not  the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the 
> spinning
> flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.   It's a 
> person
> who got careless.
>
>
> Arnie,
> How true your words are!  I have the hand to prove it.   Yes, I tangled 
> with
> crankshaft on my Economy.  I forgot that the Economy  had an open 
> crankshaft.
> While trying to start it with an electric motor,  my hand slip into the
> crankshaft turning area.  Heck, it only took a trip  to the ER and ten 
> stitches
> this time.  This is the same hand that tried to  stop my 4?" grinder.  I 
> spent
> two days in the hospital with this boo boo.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:44:43 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:44:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
In-Reply-To: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <20060125234437.QJWJ1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Ron,
	Moffat-Virtue were the exlusive NSW agents for the Austral Oil
Engines. They even had their own name plates on the engines different to
those Australs sold in other states. Here is the one on my 1917 engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/australlargeplate.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

To all OZ members

I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any
information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.  

Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.

Ron   




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 16:32:30 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:32:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <000901c62207$c0559ef0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20060126003230.31538.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are threatened.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  All the best to those of our members in the eastern states who are 
experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I 
would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 25 16:32:56 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:32:56 -0000
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c62210$0e75cc60$0b4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:47:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
It's not  the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the  spinning
flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.   It's a person
who got careless.
Arnie,
How true your words are!  I have the hand to prove it.   Yes, I tangled with
crankshaft on my Economy.  I forgot that the Economy  had an open crankshaft.
While trying to start it with an electric motor,  my hand slip into the
crankshaft turning area.  Heck, it only took a trip  to the ER and ten stitches
this time.  This is the same hand that tried to  stop my 4?" grinder.  I spent
two days in the hospital with this boo boo.
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


In my 30 years of Engine restoration I have only had 3 big mishaps.
On the first engine I restored ( A 3 HP Lister A) I didn't know about
how important it was to check the timing before trying to start a new
engine with a crank. I did survive OK but the pain took a while to go away.
(PS Remember to keep you thumb on the same side of the handle as your fingers)
I haven't had any other serious problems with starting handles since.
Later I slipped on a muddy field when downloading with my trailer winch  &
I kissed the towbar on the way down.
The third time I was unloading a large engine from my trailer at 45 Degrees
when the handle slipped out of my hand & first time round smashed the watch
my family bought me for my 21'st birthday. I still have it as a reminder!
The second time round it caught the back of my hand as I pulled it away & I had
a hand twice the normal size for weeks after. The run away engine missed any objects!!
Overall I think I have been quite lucky for all those years of pleasure.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 25 16:45:12 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:45:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
	<200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060125194249.022af508@mail.alltel.net>


>Dave,
>but I already guessed it was oval!!
>Tom Schmutz

By Golly Tom, You're not all that dumb after all. I never did believe all 
those people who told me that you were stuck on stupid!
         Dave 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 25 16:57:53 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:57:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
	<002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>

That gripping with all digits on one side only works when you're giving 
just a quick upward pull on a crank, as you did with a Model T. If 
you've got to crank to spin up a heavy set of flywheels, you'll lose 
your grip on the crank and are more likely to smack yourself. Heavy 
flywheels won't allow a fast enough back-kick to endanger the thumb.

John

On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:41 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your 
> whole hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the 
> remaining fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks 
> ,it puts that thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and 
> thumb on one side of the handle just does not feel as 
> comfortable...........your thoughts?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 17:10:45 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:10:45 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status-Oval Base picture
Message-ID: <1ab.46e69d19.31097b95@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 5:33:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lfevans at pacbell.net writes:

<< to see a picture I scanned from Wendel's book on Fairbanks Morse  >>

 Larry,

Thanks!  I forgot I had that great book too and could have looked in it.  
Maybe I could blame it on turning 62!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jan 25 17:13:20 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:13:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Bill Strickland's Article In American Rifleman
References: <276464a91b46c5e968f3fb48865b8bd6@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001901c62215$b2a12280$c21117d1@net.telenet.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Bill Strickland's Article In American Rifleman


> I just noticed in my new American Rifleman that there's a historical
> article about the Army's commissioning of the development of the
> .30-378 Weatherby, written by our fellow old iron nut Bill Strickland.
> The special rifle was used in high speed projectile research headed up
> by Bill's dad, also named William Strickland. This research was
> critical in the development of modern antitank projectiles and armor.
> They used special light projectiles of various materials, loaded up to
> muzzle velocities of 6000 FPS or so, fired into various targets at a
> range of 10 feet as very high speed movie cameras recorded the
impacts.
> That's about as high a muzzle velocity as can be practically attained
> with smokeless rifle propellants, though light gas guns have achieved
> projectile velocities up to 19000 FPS or so.
>
> Way to go, Bill! Very interesting article.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

Yep it was a good article. Except for the part about throwing the stock
in the TRASH....

Steve W.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 17:16:55 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:16:55 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <5b.79200a4f.31097d07@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 8:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< You're not all that dumb after all. >>


Thanks Dave, I needed those words of encouragement!  I was beginning to doubt 
myself!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Jan 25 17:49:44 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:49:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c6221a$cb613f80$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Engine crank ? ???    well I guess its up to the owner and how hard his head 
is , I got hit in the head more then once and I came up with the conclusion 
" IT HURTS " but luckley I had a couple Ole Mils in me and the crank had 
more dammage then me , I now start my engines without and its more fum , I;m 
also 60 years but if I use the crank much longer I won't make 61 ,  lets 
hear some  other ways you who have been collecting  longer use to start an 
engines with out the crank ? that won't hurt us younger generation pupils
Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> Hi Steve,
>
> I have no idea how old you are or even, what you look like.
> However, I must value you as a friend.
> I'm 61 and this old iron is getting heavier every year.
>
> There has been much discussion on the list about hand cranks.
> I had 2 in my lifetime.  I now have only one for my Stover CT-1.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> Last September at the Stumptown Steam Threshers Reunion, in New Athens,
> Ohio a man with a trailer full of engines ( a seasoned veteran ) was
> starting one of them on the trailer with a hand crank.  For some reason
> the engine misfired and the hand crank came around and hit the guy in the
> side of his face.
> It broke his jaw and cheek bones.  His head sweld up so bad his eye
> popped out.
> He was taken to the local hospital in Ohio and later flown to a hospital
> in Pittsburgh so they could operate.
>
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> My Witte is my hardeset starting engine and I run it on kerosene.
> When it misfires and kicks backwards, when starting,  that engine jumps
> up in the air and reminds me of the power that is transferred to the
> flywheel.
>
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> Real simple - IT'S TOO DAMN DANGEROUS !!!
>
> If you want it for DISPLAY PURPOSES ONLY - - - GREAT !!!
> But you said "Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!"
>
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/
> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
> the work."
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>
> 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 18:49:43 2006
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:49:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <001a01c6221a$cb613f80$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <20060126024943.67048.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
   
  With all the discusion on this topic I haven't seen any CCs to the feller with the request so I emailed him.
  I did read a couple replies aimed at Steve W.
  He was just passing along a request from another Steve.
   
  See below,,
   
  I emailed Steve Mulhollan and told him how easy it is to start my Hercules engines with the flywheels.  He got right back to me and said he is in a wheel chair and flipping flywheels is very hard for him.  Cranking on the side will give him easy access to the mixer  too.
   
  I sent him the info from my Hit-M-Miss catalog.
   
  Seems like cranking along side a wheelchair should keep the crank away from his face.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Mulhollan" <smulholl at yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> I'm looking for a starting crank for a 1-1/2 HP Economy hit-and-miss
> engine. It has a 1-1/4" shaft with a 5/16" keyway. If somebody has one
> or can point me in the right direction to find one it would be greatly
> appreciated. Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve



		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 25 21:02:43 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:02:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
Message-ID: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Arnie,

Thanks for the reply - 
You and I both know the dangers all too well.

I don't know Steve - But sounds like he has an engine that doesn't want
to start too easily.
Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.

I am thoroughly convinced that YOU know what YOU'RE doing.
You will also notice that when YOU use a crank - I don't stand in line
with YOUR flywheels.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 25 21:19:30 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:19:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.002213.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Peter,

Hey - I don't mean to get into a pissin' match with this.
I don't care how you hold your hand.
That won't protect your head - or - arm - or - legs - or other people.

It's real simple - D O N ' T.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Jan 25 23:25:52 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:25:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
References: <20060125234437.QJWJ1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <007701c62249$bddafc00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks Patrick.  Any thing like this is of help.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> Hi Ron,
> Moffat-Virtue were the exlusive NSW agents for the Austral Oil
> Engines. They even had their own name plates on the engines different to
> those Australs sold in other states. Here is the one on my 1917 engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/australlargeplate.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
>
> To all OZ members
>
> I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any
> information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
>
> Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
>
> Ron
>
>
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Jan 26 00:08:52 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:08:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: [Fwd: stolen macdonald diesel engine]] AUS/VIC
Message-ID: <43D88394.5010507@steamengine.com.au>

Be on the lookout for this engine...




Date: 	Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:57:26 +1100 (EST)
From: 	chantal moisley <cmm_acm at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: 	stolen macdonald diesel engine


Hello,

Just writing to advise of the theft of a MacDonald diesel engine.  This
engine was taken from a water pump shed located in Park Orchards
Melbourne between 24th to 26th of May 2005.  Unfortunately it was not
discovered missing until later, but we were able to approximately
ascertain when it went.  The engine is a Macs diesel with AH McDonald
Richmond Vic cast on the block.  It is a Model 1042CQ.  I don't have the
engine number, but we have another identical engine that was bought at
the same time with the engine number 2145 so I assume its number would
be close.  An identifying feature is the fuel tank which was repaired
around March 1998 using lead wiping to cover the rust holes that had
developed.  The engine  is in good running order and was operating
occasionally a dam water pump.

Any help would be appreciated and a reward will be paid for help in
locating this engine.

Thanking you.
Tony Moisley


-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jan 26 01:12:38 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 04:12:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <236.5c86928.3109ec86@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:

I have a
dishpan  F/M with original truck to get going one day.



Edd,
Here is an interesting site on Darryl Boyd's
Fairbanks Morse  Dishpan engine restoration:
 
< _http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html_ 
(http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html)    >
 
The information contained in this site help me understand how this  engine is 
assembled.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Jan 26 03:15:06 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:15:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] And a Not Cheap engine on ebay
In-Reply-To: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
References: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43D8AF3A.10008@wightman.ca>

Here is something you don't see for sale oftern.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7583599684&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX

Duncan



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see 
> many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Jan 26 02:14:23 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:14:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <236.5c86928.3109ec86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c62261$49056420$5284dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanking you.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
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From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:12
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


>
> In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:
>
> I have a
> dishpan  F/M with original truck to get going one day.
>
>
>
> Edd,
> Here is an interesting site on Darryl Boyd's
> Fairbanks Morse  Dishpan engine restoration:
>
> < _http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html_
> (http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html)    >
>
> The information contained in this site help me understand how this  engine
is
> assembled.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 02:48:21 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:48:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <20060126.002213.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c62266$0a239330$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I just asked a simple bloody question!It would seem that you have a bit of a 
problem with flywheels and cranks Joe.
Take it easy, we all absorbed your diatribe on the hazards. If the subject 
of the thread upsets you .......then I might suggest that you ignore it , go 
and have a nap.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


> Thanks Peter,
>
> Hey - I don't mean to get into a pissin' match with this.
> I don't care how you hold your hand.
> That won't protect your head - or - arm - or - legs - or other people.
>
> It's real simple - D O N ' T.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 02:54:37 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:54:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
References: <20060126003230.31538.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c62266$ea159790$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

James ,I would say that ''bush fires '' are the equivalent to your forest 
fires. Prairie fires would be like our grass fires.
Eucalypts [ Gum Trees] of which there are many varieties are very volatile 
as I suppose are your Pine Trees or are they Fir Trees?
One of our members ,Cam Grundy is a volunteer fire fighter ,unsung hero's in 
my book.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest 
> fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are 
> threatened.
>  JM
>
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  All the best to those of 
> our members in the eastern states who are
> experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I
> would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 03:42:14 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:42:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <004b01c62266$ea159790$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

PO-
  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  James ,I would say that ''bush fires '' are the equivalent to your forest 
fires. Prairie fires would be like our grass fires.
Eucalypts [ Gum Trees] of which there are many varieties are very volatile 
as I suppose are your Pine Trees or are they Fir Trees?
One of our members ,Cam Grundy is a volunteer fire fighter ,unsung hero's in 
my book.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest 
> fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are 
> threatened.
>  JM
>
> peter ogborne  wrote:  All the best to those of 
> our members in the eastern states who are
> experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I
> would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 26 03:45:48 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:45:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] And a Not Cheap engine on ebay
References: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com> <43D8AF3A.10008@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <014701c6226e$0d2bf790$5f11fea9@merlin>

yeah id like it im just checking  my small change ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] And a Not Cheap engine on ebay


> Here is something you don't see for sale oftern.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7583599684&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX
>
> Duncan
>
>
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see 
>> many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
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>>
>
>
> -- 
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> Canada
> Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
> Home Page
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>
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 26 03:54:57 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:54:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
Message-ID: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day All  
today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my wbshots page . 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 26 05:03:03 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:03:03 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c62278$d8f96240$0b4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a 
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named 
> Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two 
> survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music. 
> You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James 
> Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 05:23:24 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
References: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <002401c6227b$b2d54180$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Your right Brock .....It's AUSTRALIA DAY!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The SEL email 
discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Australia day


> G,day All
> today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors 
> tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has 
> been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my 
> wbshots page .
> Brock Summerfield
> ACT Australia
> brock at netspeed.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Thu Jan 26 05:34:59 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:34:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43D8D003.7000701@atnet.net>

Good Day - In 1910 the Pacific North Western part of the United States 
experienced a grand daddy of a forest fire that went into several states 
and burned until the snows came that winter.  Lots has been written and 
lore about it.  Check out http://www.idahoforests.org/fires2.htm  One is 
of Pulaski.  Do a google.

BTW - The fire area has regrown, been logged, and regrown again in the 
100 years.

Regards,

Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA, USA

James Moran wrote:
> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
>   JM
> 
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  James ,I would say that ''bush fires '' are the equivalent to your forest 
> fires. Prairie fires would be like our grass fires.
> Eucalypts [ Gum Trees] of which there are many varieties are very volatile 
> as I suppose are your Pine Trees or are they Fir Trees?
> One of our members ,Cam Grundy is a volunteer fire fighter ,unsung hero's in 
> my book.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moran" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
> 
> 
> 
>>When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest 
>>fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are 
>>threatened.
>> JM
>>
>>peter ogborne  wrote:  All the best to those of 
>>our members in the eastern states who are
>>experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I
>>would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
>>Peter Ogborne
>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>West Australia
>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 05:39:14 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:39:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV8DDCCAE4F64AD370376BBBB150@phx.gbl>

Approximately 20 miles north of me..."Mann Gulch Fire of 1949"

http://forestry.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=forestry&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fs.fed.us%2Frm%2Fpubs%2Fint_gtr299%2Findex.html

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no 
> idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune 
> called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon 
> a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that 
> went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that 
> day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of 
> his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You 
> can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the 
> acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard 
> Shindell. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 05:47:46 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:47:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
References: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV127A951400DA91734A8C02BB150@phx.gbl>

Thanks Brock..nice to be reminded that grass is green <vbg>

Great coffee fix this a.m.!!

RickinMt.




G,day All
today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors 
tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has been 
a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my wbshots 
page .
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 06:12:58 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:12:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <000501c62278$d8f96240$0b4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <20060126141258.10191.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

DC-
 Fascinating that a Brit is familiar with  this piece.  The Keelaghan rendition closes with a riff from  "Shenandoah"...do you know that piece as well?
 I have found that  there is a high level of interest and awareness of American folk music  in England, particularly that of Texas and the South West.
 "Cold  Missouri Water" is a moving piece and, if those interested would take  the time to do so, a good listen would be a worthwhile  experience.  Thanks for the download offer.
  JM

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case. I have no  idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a 
>  folk-style tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find  compelling. Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named 
> Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two 
>  survived the ordeal, including Dodge who bore the guilt of his fallen  comrades for years. Quite a story and piece of music. 
> You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James 
> Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Jan 26 06:23:44 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:23:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200601261423.k0QENp9h094701@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James Moran
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia

PO-
  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no
idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune
called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a
true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went
to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day,
only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his
fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find
it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk
genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
  JM

~~~~~~~~~

This sad story is also immortalized in Norman Maclean's "Young Men and
Fire," ISBN: 0226500624.  It is a fascinating book, a real page turner, in
my estimation.  It is available for as little as $1.14 on Abebooks:

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/

Maclean also wrote "A River Runs Through It."

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Jan 26 06:32:04 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:32:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL]  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <2707.165.206.180.34.1138219103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <200601261432.k0QEWAnH026521@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:58 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy

Big snip

"...my son lost his eye (when he was 21) crossing
the street in front of his home one evening when a mugger slugged him
with a gun and crushed his face and eye."

~~~~~~~~

Bill, I vividly recall your telling of this very sad story, but don't recall
hearing any follow-up.  Was your son able to complete is education?  How is
he doing, generally?

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 06:35:05 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:35:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV8DDCCAE4F64AD370376BBBB150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060126143505.20595.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Because this is an "off topic" thread of limited  interest and that I don't want to invite the wrath of the "purists", I  will recommend the following for those who would wish to read the  lyrics to Jame Keelaghan's "Cold Missouri Waters".
  
 Using  Yahoo or some such, type in "Cold Missouri Waters" on the search  line.  You will be directed to a site called "mysongbook" and,  unless I am very wrong, these wonderful, poignant lyrics will pop  up.  If any of you are further compelled, I would advise that you  secure a download of the piece.  One British gentleman offered to  forward an MP3 of the song, but you should be able to stream in order  to enjoy it.
  Just a thought.
  JM

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Approximately 20 miles north of me..."Mann Gulch Fire of 1949"

http://forestry.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=forestry&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fs.fed.us%2Frm%2Fpubs%2Fint_gtr299%2Findex.html

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no 
> idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune 
> called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon 
> a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that 
> went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that 
> day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of 
> his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You 
> can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the 
> acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard 
> Shindell. 
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Jan 26 07:27:37 2006
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:27:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <20060126.002213.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<003d01c62266$0a239330$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001601c6228d$0cfd7c70$111f7546@mycomputer>

Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!!    I 
cracked a leg bone starting  my old 1946 harley that was stubborn as an old 
mule.  I have since gotten rid of that oil leaker. I hope my stover doesnt 
do that when i finally get it running.

Tom Dunlap
Texas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


>I just asked a simple bloody question!It would seem that you have a bit of 
>a problem with flywheels and cranks Joe.
> Take it easy, we all absorbed your diatribe on the hazards. If the subject 
> of the thread upsets you .......then I might suggest that you ignore it , 
> go and have a nap.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking
>
>
>> Thanks Peter,
>>
>> Hey - I don't mean to get into a pissin' match with this.
>> I don't care how you hold your hand.
>> That won't protect your head - or - arm - or - legs - or other people.
>>
>> It's real simple - D O N ' T.
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>> \/)"(\/
>> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
>> the work."
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 26 08:54:50 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:54:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!! 
=        =        =        =        =        =        
I had a '50 Harley, Shovel / Pan - 
I never thought my knee could punch me in the jaw.
But it did.

Thanks for the memory.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 26 08:38:35 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:38:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.115822.324.0.jlb94@juno.com>

would seem that you have a bit of a 
problem with flywheels and cranks Joe.
=        =        =        =        =        =        
ROFLOL - - - 
Thanks Pete,
I need the nap.

I don't have a problem with cranks - I just don't use 'em.
I'm just trying to save someone else from getting hurt.
And - I'm really surprised at the resistance I'm getting from the list.

I've always heard of the dangers.  
Not until last year did I actually see someone get it.

He was no dummy - He knew the dangers - He KNEW what he was doing.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."

   


From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Thu Jan 26 09:42:48 2006
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:42:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <web-224666312@mail.hal-pc.org>

Big Matchless single cylinders will do the same. It's very 
disconcerting to catch a glimpse of your knee narrowly missing your 
ear when you make a minor mistake on spark advance.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:54:50 -0500
  jlb94 at juno.com wrote:
> Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!! 
> =        =        =        =        =        =        
> I had a '50 Harley, Shovel / Pan - 
> I never thought my knee could punch me in the jaw.
> But it did.
> 
> Thanks for the memory.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        
> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do 
>all
> the work."
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 10:31:44 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:31:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV8DDCCAE4F64AD370376BBBB150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060126183144.38472.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

RS-
  Thank you for supplying the analysis of what transpired (e.g., Mann  Gulch, etc.).  Reading this sheds a fresh insight to the song  composed by James Keelaghan.  It is impossible to imagine what  that scenario (and other similar) must be like to experience.
  Thanks again.
  JM

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Approximately 20 miles north of me..."Mann Gulch Fire of 1949"

http://forestry.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=forestry&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fs.fed.us%2Frm%2Fpubs%2Fint_gtr299%2Findex.html

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no 
> idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune 
> called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon 
> a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that 
> went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that 
> day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of 
> his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You 
> can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the 
> acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard 
> Shindell. 
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From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 13:04:55 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:04:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
In-Reply-To: <002401c6227b$b2d54180$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F2476128D65B6146AC45656E7150@phx.gbl>

Happy Australia Day, this is event is even listed on my Hallmark Calendar, 
so it must be really special!

Just what are you "Aussies" celebrating (just would like to know what I am 
drinking to today).

XOXOX to all in OZ

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia day
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:24 +0800
>
>Your right Brock .....It's AUSTRALIA DAY!!
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" 
><brock at netspeed.com.au>
>To: "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The SEL email 
>discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:54 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Australia day
>
>
>>G,day All
>>today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors 
>>tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has 
>>been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my 
>>wbshots page .
>>Brock Summerfield
>>ACT Australia
>>brock at netspeed.com.au
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Jan 26 13:48:58 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:48:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
References: <BAY113-F2476128D65B6146AC45656E7150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003201c622c2$50e98980$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Peg

You may care to look at this site

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/austday.html

The day is the anniversary of our country being colonised in 1788 by Captain
Arthur Phillip.

Ron

---- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia day


> Happy Australia Day, this is event is even listed on my Hallmark Calendar,
> so it must be really special!
>
> Just what are you "Aussies" celebrating (just would like to know what I am
> drinking to today).
>
> XOXOX to all in OZ
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
> >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia day
> >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:24 +0800
> >
> >Your right Brock .....It's AUSTRALIA DAY!!
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield"
> ><brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >To: "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The SEL email
> >discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:54 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] Australia day
> >
> >
> >>G,day All
> >>today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2
tractors
> >>tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has
> >>been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my
> >>wbshots page .
> >>Brock Summerfield
> >>ACT Australia
> >>brock at netspeed.com.au
> >>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 26 13:34:05 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:34:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
	<002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi John and Peter,

That is EXACTLY my experience as well.  I only have one engine (8 hp
two-cylinder Novo Rollr) that uses the "upward quarter turn" cranking
method.  I tuck the thumb in with the fingers just because...  I don't
have any sense at all that the thumb would be in danger cranking that
engine.  It does have an impulse mag.  I should also mention that when I
first got it, I didn't realize that the "proper cranking method" was that
quarter turn.  So I was trying to "crank it over."  The crank slipped out,
and my fingers smashed into the steel cart frame helped along by the mass
of the crank.  Four fingers were sore and deep purple for weeks.

The other engines that I use a crank on get a full grip.  The ONLY time I
ever had any problem was on the 7 hp Crossley (Fat Bastard) the one time I
tried cranking it without using my "opposed thumb."

We evolved the damn thing for a reason.  Getting a good grip on your
crank!!  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, John Culp wrote:

> That gripping with all digits on one side only works when you're giving
> just a quick upward pull on a crank, as you did with a Model T. If
> you've got to crank to spin up a heavy set of flywheels, you'll lose
> your grip on the crank and are more likely to smack yourself. Heavy
> flywheels won't allow a fast enough back-kick to endanger the thumb.
>
> On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:41 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>
> > OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your
> > whole hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the
> > remaining fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks
> > ,it puts that thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and
> > thumb on one side of the handle just does not feel as
> > comfortable...........your thoughts?



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 26 14:47:23 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:47:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>

> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.

No, but having an engine that was designed to start with a crank and 
isn't readily started otherwise is an excellent reason to use one. 
There are quite a few of those, and I own several. I'm not interested 
in pissing matches, either, but someone always starts up with this 
"never use a crank" nonsense whenever a crank is mentioned. Arnie's 
already stated the facts well.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 26 14:52:46 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:52:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <cf07a5692c7725f7eae316c69ca5ad9d@chartertn.net>

> Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!!

I had a '63 Panhead. Once the drill was learned, it wasn't too hard, 
and certainly not dangerous. But if you forgot to retard the spark 
before kicking, it'd launch you to the moon!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 15:13:21 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:13:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com><002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3><cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce 
start ? Could be an spectacular result !
I also like the method of starting by bouncing the flywheel with the foot in 
some marine engines,done by rocking the flywheel from the rim . Not quite 
the same potential for a accident as the standing on the spokes technique. 
Bouncing still evokes gasps of wonder as it confuses the latter day ''Arm 
chair Experts''.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


> Hi John and Peter,
>
> That is EXACTLY my experience as well.  I only have one engine (8 hp
> two-cylinder Novo Rollr) that uses the "upward quarter turn" cranking
> method.  I tuck the thumb in with the fingers just because...  I don't
> have any sense at all that the thumb would be in danger cranking that
> engine.  It does have an impulse mag.  I should also mention that when I
> first got it, I didn't realize that the "proper cranking method" was that
> quarter turn.  So I was trying to "crank it over."  The crank slipped out,
> and my fingers smashed into the steel cart frame helped along by the mass
> of the crank.  Four fingers were sore and deep purple for weeks.
>
> The other engines that I use a crank on get a full grip.  The ONLY time I
> ever had any problem was on the 7 hp Crossley (Fat Bastard) the one time I
> tried cranking it without using my "opposed thumb."
>
> We evolved the damn thing for a reason.  Getting a good grip on your
> crank!!  8->>
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, John Culp wrote:
>
>> That gripping with all digits on one side only works when you're giving
>> just a quick upward pull on a crank, as you did with a Model T. If
>> you've got to crank to spin up a heavy set of flywheels, you'll lose
>> your grip on the crank and are more likely to smack yourself. Heavy
>> flywheels won't allow a fast enough back-kick to endanger the thumb.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:41 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>>
>> > OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your
>> > whole hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the
>> > remaining fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks
>> > ,it puts that thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and
>> > thumb on one side of the handle just does not feel as
>> > comfortable...........your thoughts?
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 15:27:14 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <000501c62278$d8f96240$0b4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <001c01c622d0$0b066bf0$851de304@OFFICELEW>

Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
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<<there is a 
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <<snip>>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 15:28:08 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:28:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Pissing,getting OT now!
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <007a01c622d0$2dc84780$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes you said it .............''Pissing Matches '' ? Not quite sure what a 
previous contributor meant by this term .How high ,how long,number of times 
,the latter could I fear indicate a health problem ?As a pimply faced youth 
there was a sort of fascination in this subject . I must admit that it is 
hard to convince my wife that having a ''Slash '' on the Lemon Tree is 
beneficial to the health and productivity of this member of the Citrus 
family.My theory is that it is a sort of territory thing ,my Jack Russell 
does it all the time !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
>
> No, but having an engine that was designed to start with a crank and isn't 
> readily started otherwise is an excellent reason to use one. There are 
> quite a few of those, and I own several. I'm not interested in pissing 
> matches, either, but someone always starts up with this "never use a 
> crank" nonsense whenever a crank is mentioned. Arnie's already stated the 
> facts well.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 26 15:53:16 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:53:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004601c622d3$af3de1f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

I really don't see this as a pissing match , I see it as a very interesting 
and informative topic and consider everyones reply to come directly from 
experance , I with only 4 years in the hobby read all your postings and have 
learned a great deal from your pissing matches , so keep it and I'll here 
learning , if everyone agreeded one everything it would be a very boring 
world ,

Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
 <snip> 




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 16:00:09 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:00:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <001c01c622d0$0b066bf0$851de304@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20060127000009.29196.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

LB-
  To successfully deliver MP3 types of files, it is almost necessary to  be on a broadband server...dial-up will be choppy at best and,  probably, won't give you much of anything.
  Did you try to (at least) read the lyrics by doing as I  described?  If you want, you can visit the writers website.  Again...James Keelaghan.  Though I do not know for sure, there may  be a download opportunity for "Cold Missouri Waters" on his site or  some other.  Richard Shindell also covered it.
  Know that if you have an appetite for music in general or,  specifically, folk genre, there is a treasure trove of internet radio  broadcast services available to you.  Largely, these are free and  by utilizing them, a vast panorama of music is at your  fingertips.  In many, many cases this is wonderful material that  one would never be able to audition due to distribution (retail)  limitations plus, of course, the "out of pocket" it would require to  make purchases even if the recordings could be found.
  Too, there are download services (e.g., LimeWire) that enable you to  build your own library of the music that you like.  This is done  by artist, genre, album title, etc. etc.,  
  All of these things are worth an investigation.  For example, on  the internet radio thing, try Live365.com or Radioio.com or  RismixLive.com.  Take a bit of time and explore.  I guarantee  that, once you try it, you will become hooked and I say this in the  very best of ways.
  Let me know your thoughts on the Keelaghan song.
  Best. 
  Jim Moran/Rochester, New York

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
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<
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Jan 26 16:02:59 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:02:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <200601270003.k0R039b1081033@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Reminds me of a fellow down in Texas telling about starting his 35 h.p.
(30?) Superior.  The sucker fired too early and he became airborne.  The
last thing he remembered was looking down into that big tall exhaust stack.
He sold the Superior not long after.  

I forget his name, but I'm sure there are people on this list who remember
him telling the story.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking

Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce 
start ? Could be an spectacular result !

Snip





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 16:05:09 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:05:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Pissing,getting OT now!
In-Reply-To: <007a01c622d0$2dc84780$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20060127000509.47986.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I will say this much.  This thread has  done much to perfect my skills at the utilization of the delete  button.  Better yet, I can do so without fear of losing a  digit...my mouse never bites back.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  Yes you said it .............''Pissing Matches '' ? Not quite sure what a 
previous contributor meant by this term .How high ,how long,number of times 
,the latter could I fear indicate a health problem ?As a pimply faced youth 
there was a sort of fascination in this subject . I must admit that it is 
hard to convince my wife that having a ''Slash '' on the Lemon Tree is 
beneficial to the health and productivity of this member of the Citrus 
family.My theory is that it is a sort of territory thing ,my Jack Russell 
does it all the time !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
>
> No, but having an engine that was designed to start with a crank and isn't 
> readily started otherwise is an excellent reason to use one. There are 
> quite a few of those, and I own several. I'm not interested in pissing 
> matches, either, but someone always starts up with this "never use a 
> crank" nonsense whenever a crank is mentioned. Arnie's already stated the 
> facts well.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 16:52:04 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia-now songs
In-Reply-To: <20060127000009.29196.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c622db$e4f8f160$851de304@OFFICELEW>

Thanks Jim!

Behind on email so hadn't got to that post yet.  Found the lyrics; must
be a POWERFUL song!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'll check out the sites you mentioned;
sound real interesting!

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!

Lew


<<snip>>
  Did you try to (at least) read the lyrics by doing as I  described?
If you want, you can visit the writers website.  Again...James
Keelaghan.  Though I do not know for sure, there may  be a download
opportunity for "Cold Missouri Waters" on his site or  some other.
Richard Shindell also covered it.
  Know that if you have an appetite for music in general or,
specifically, folk genre, there is a treasure trove of internet radio
broadcast services available to you.  Largely, these are free and  by
utilizing them, a vast panorama of music is at your  fingertips.  In
many, many cases this is wonderful material that  one would never be
able to audition due to distribution (retail)  limitations plus, of
course, the "out of pocket" it would require to  make purchases even if
the recordings could be found.

  Too, there are download services (e.g., LimeWire) that enable you to
build your own library of the music that you like.  This is done  by
artist, genre, album title, etc. etc.,  
  All of these things are worth an investigation.  For example, on  the
internet radio thing, try Live365.com or Radioio.com or  RismixLive.com.
Take a bit of time and explore.  I guarantee  that, once you try it, you
will become hooked and I say this in the  very best of ways.
  Let me know your thoughts on the Keelaghan song.
  Best. 
  Jim Moran/Rochester, New York

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
beekeeping_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
homestead_small_farming_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 
shop_tool_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


<
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jan 26 17:36:16 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:36:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
	<002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <008f01c622e2$11ea2a30$43d84c0c@D48VHZ61>

Speaking from a tractor collectors perspective, you get used to "properly" a 
crank. Even still I get nervous.

I had an IHC LB with the radiator setup (came off a hay blaer) The only way 
to crank it was with the crank. It had a ton of compression. I made the 
mistake of leaning back while turning and caused the crank to slip out. 
Busted my glasses and took 10 stitches to sew my lip up. I still remember 
the distinct sound of the crank connecting with my cheek-bone. Bottom line, 
it way my fault.

I talked to a guy recently who had an old tractor to throw him behind it 
when it backfired. Its not your normal tractor set-up with the crank in the 
front. It was on a Titan with the engine mounted crossways and the crank is 
about 4 foot in the air. So far I have been able to crank my Titan by 
pulling on the flywheel. Takes all the strength I can muster but....

Personal opinion, I think cranks are dangerous. Use them if you have to but 
make sure your enigne timing and so forth is as close to perfect as you can 
get it. And don't get in a hurry and forget to something  important such as 
retard the timing. Greasy hands are another not to intelligent idea.

John Hall 




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Jan 26 17:41:49 2006
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:41:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <200601270003.k0R039b1081033@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <E1F2Icd-0004Af-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	I started my 25hp Superior by rocking the flywheels by stepping on
the spokes. 
One has to remember when the ignition will fire and get ones feet off the
wheel before then.
All in paying attention to the details. As I got older I built a pony start
mechanism.
If I had my druthers I would still prefer to walk the flywheels. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin
Iseminger
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:03 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking

Reminds me of a fellow down in Texas telling about starting his 35 h.p.
(30?) Superior.  The sucker fired too early and he became airborne.  The
last thing he remembered was looking down into that big tall exhaust stack.
He sold the Superior not long after.  

I forget his name, but I'm sure there are people on this list who remember
him telling the story.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking

Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce
start ? Could be an spectacular result !

Snip



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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 26 18:39:34 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:39:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
In-Reply-To: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <20060127023927.MTOE16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Brock,
	Good to hear you had a good day. Our club had two displays on
yesterday but my engines stayed at home this year. I guess my next rally
will be Canberra :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


G,day All  
today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors
tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has been
a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my wbshots
page . 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 26 18:39:09 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:39:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.214556.1132.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Arnie - 
Now - - - I can agree with that "getting a grip" statement.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 18:50:24 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:50:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Reg in GEM
Message-ID: <43D98A70.1080307@earthlink.net>

G'day all,

Check out the latest GEM, page 5 to see the article. Scratch built with 
no casting in 16 days. That's gotta be a record. As always first class 
work.

Jeff

-- 
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Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
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From markshattuck at ntelos.net  Mon Jan 23 17:23:11 2006
From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:23:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <001c01c6206e$5da56690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <200601240123.k0O1NAlP013076@mailrtr01.ntelos.net>

Test fine here Ron 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Page
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:43 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Test

Test only.

Ron
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Jan 26 17:51:01 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:51:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First
Message-ID: <007001c622e4$20c977c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

  Talking about cranking engines this is a message I had posted  a year ago.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles R Bryant 
To: SEL List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Safety First


Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997

"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and
 thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you  are getting large engines.
 I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which
 we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane
 regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main
bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up
this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old 
timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little 
too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke
with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be 
shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust 
pipe. I landed about 20 feet  luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes 
I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH
FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one"

From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 27 06:41:02 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <004601c622d3$af3de1f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>	<ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>
	<004601c622d3$af3de1f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <43DA30FE.9000701@imc-group.com>

This week's discussion on crankhandles has been entertaining. Missy's 1 
1/2HP Herc has a crank handle that is one of those open half C handles 
that falls off the crank the moment you let up pressure on it. I hate 
the darned thing and never use it. It lives in the hopper most of the 
time. I could see how that thing could get launched back at you with a 
backfire.
I have a much later 6HP Herc (1929) and its' crank is the solid loop 
style that you slide over the end of the crankshaft and engage it on the 
gib key. Once the engine starts you pull it back off the crankshaft 
while the shaft spins within it. Generally I start this engine by 
flipping it against compression and it starts great, EXCEPT when the 
engine is hot. If you've been working this engine and stop it, you will 
have no luck starting against compression again. The ONLY way to get it 
to start again is to put the crank handle on it and wind it up and drop 
the intake valve.
Sooo..... I'm curious, you guys that have been kissed with these flying 
crank handles, have they been the open C style handles? Has anyone been 
hurt by the other closed crank handle?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Rex Hinz wrote:

> I really don't see this as a pissing match , I see it as a very 
> interesting and informative topic and consider everyones reply to come 
> directly from experance , I with only 4 years in the hobby read all 
> your postings and have learned a great deal from your pissing matches 
> , so keep it and I'll here learning , if everyone agreeded one 
> everything it would be a very boring world ,
>
> Rex
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
>
>
>>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
>>
> <snip>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Jan 27 07:51:31 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:51:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First
Message-ID: <001401c62359$8b71f280$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>



  Talking about cranking engines this is a message I had posted  a year ago
and the one you mentioned Orrin

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles R Bryant 
To: SEL List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Safety First


Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997

"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and
 thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you  are getting large engines.
 I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which
 we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane
 regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main
bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up
this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old 
timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little 
too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke
with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be 
shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust 
pipe. I landed about 20 feet  luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes 
I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH
FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one"

From oiseming at moscow.com  Fri Jan 27 07:41:58 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:41:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First
In-Reply-To: <001401c62359$8b71f280$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <200601271542.k0RFg7nB091816@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Charlie, was it Wallace McPeak who originally posted the story back in '97?
That's who I had in mind.  I have a picture of the Superior he owned, back
then, and the date on it is 8/26/97.  I seem to recall the picture and the
story were posted about the same time as one another.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R
Bryant
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:52 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First


  Talking about cranking engines this is a message I had posted  a year ago
and the one you mentioned Orrin

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles R Bryant 
To: SEL List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Safety First


Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997

"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and
 thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you  are getting
large engines.
 I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior
which
 we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new
propane
 regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts
that held the main
bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all
the cams up
this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My
being an old 
timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine
had just a little 
too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the
next spoke
with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it
feels to be 
shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the
exhaust 
pipe. I landed about 20 feet  luckily on my right side and back. After about
15 minutes 
I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were
in the right place.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER
PUT BOTH
FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has
one"





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 27 07:49:50 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <001c01c622d0$0b066bf0$851de304@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20060127154950.21039.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

I know this is off topic.  Please don't become angry.
  Over the past few days, there has been some discussion of forest fires; this having stemmed from the misfortunes of Australia.
  I am interested if any of you could relate some information,  experience, or awareness of log jams.  This interests me.  If  nobody can do so, that is fine.  I just thought that maybe someone  of the Group has studied this phenom.
  Thanks.
  JM

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
beekeeping_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
homestead_small_farming_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 
shop_tool_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


<
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

 

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 27 08:20:49 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:20:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Washer
Message-ID: <005301c6235d$a3e348b0$e7b6f504@Ed>

In my travels earlier this month I came across a Maytag washer that the man wants to sell. He is not on the internet so the details can be found at  http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id12.html  . I have no interest in it. The top is made of aluminum and the agitator is inside. He said it originally had an electric motor.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ 

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 27 08:34:11 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:34:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com><002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3><cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601271116090.77627@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

Yep, when I put a foot on a flywheel spoke starting my Bessemer
half-breed, it never fails to draw a crowd.  And I'm certain that a number
are like NASCAR racing fans, they enjoy the sport, but are also watching
to see the awful crashes.

In addition to the potential "launching into space" there is also the
potential for having your foot slip through the spokes with the resulting
destruction of your body if the engine starts while you're in that
position.

However, as with hand cranks, one can sit and tremble in fear, or one can
start the damn engine.  This is not a matter of Bad Engine Ju-Ju.  It's a
matter of taking a hard look at what you're doing and how you're doing it.
If you watch a bunch of different guys starting oilfield engines you will
quicky identify the ones who are candidates to win Darwin Awards and the
ones who know what the hell they're doing.

I think the key is to respect the machine's ability to seriously hurt you
if you do something stupid.  Then decide NOT to do something stupid.  At
this point I am comfortable that I can start my Bessemer, giving the crowd
a thrill, and still be able to climb down off the trailer and enjoy a cold
beer.  8-))

Definitely, appearances (relative to risk) can be deceiving.  Did you ever
see the pics of Dave and I cutting the 14" x 14" oak skid timbers for Jim
French's Tillinghast half-breed?  The classic pic shows me sitting on a
timber wearing just shorts.  I'm holding a big C-clamp that's clamped to
the nose of the bar of a big chain saw.  Dave is on the other end.  We're
cutting a 45-deg angle on the end of the timber.  Great pic!  Maybe Dave
or Dolly has it electronically and could share it with you.  It probably
looks as scary as someone starting an engine with a hand crank.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, peter ogborne wrote:

> Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce
> start ? Could be an spectacular result !
> I also like the method of starting by bouncing the flywheel with the foot in
> some marine engines,done by rocking the flywheel from the rim . Not quite
> the same potential for a accident as the standing on the spokes technique.
> Bouncing still evokes gasps of wonder as it confuses the latter day ''Arm
> chair Experts''.



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jan 27 14:50:53 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:50:53 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com><002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3><cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net><Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com><007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601271116090.77627@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003901c62394$242bcca0$60cf31cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Arnie for your reasoned reply,no hysterics!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


> Hi Peter,
>
> Yep, when I put a foot on a flywheel spoke starting my Bessemer
> half-breed, it never fails to draw a crowd.  And I'm certain that a number
> are like NASCAR racing fans, they enjoy the sport, but are also watching
> to see the awful crashes.
>
> In addition to the potential "launching into space" there is also the
> potential for having your foot slip through the spokes with the resulting
> destruction of your body if the engine starts while you're in that
> position.
>
> However, as with hand cranks, one can sit and tremble in fear, or one can
> start the damn engine.  This is not a matter of Bad Engine Ju-Ju.  It's a
> matter of taking a hard look at what you're doing and how you're doing it.
> If you watch a bunch of different guys starting oilfield engines you will
> quicky identify the ones who are candidates to win Darwin Awards and the
> ones who know what the hell they're doing.
>
> I think the key is to respect the machine's ability to seriously hurt you
> if you do something stupid.  Then decide NOT to do something stupid.  At
> this point I am comfortable that I can start my Bessemer, giving the crowd
> a thrill, and still be able to climb down off the trailer and enjoy a cold
> beer.  8-))
>
> Definitely, appearances (relative to risk) can be deceiving.  Did you ever
> see the pics of Dave and I cutting the 14" x 14" oak skid timbers for Jim
> French's Tillinghast half-breed?  The classic pic shows me sitting on a
> timber wearing just shorts.  I'm holding a big C-clamp that's clamped to
> the nose of the bar of a big chain saw.  Dave is on the other end.  We're
> cutting a 45-deg angle on the end of the timber.  Great pic!  Maybe Dave
> or Dolly has it electronically and could share it with you.  It probably
> looks as scary as someone starting an engine with a hand crank.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce
>> start ? Could be an spectacular result !
>> I also like the method of starting by bouncing the flywheel with the foot 
>> in
>> some marine engines,done by rocking the flywheel from the rim . Not quite
>> the same potential for a accident as the standing on the spokes 
>> technique.
>> Bouncing still evokes gasps of wonder as it confuses the latter day ''Arm
>> chair Experts''.
>
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From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Fri Jan 27 14:53:25 2006
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:53:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
Message-ID: <29d.466d635.310bfe65@aol.com>

Hi Dave
you can put me down for a copy

Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere


From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan 27 18:31:13 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:31:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Australia Day
Message-ID: <000d01c623b2$e8ac61c0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

Like Patrick, I too shunned the two Australia Day events our club supported. Instead, I spent the day at Fagan Park, Galston, (quite close to my home) where I started the 20HP Austral lamp start engine a couple of times, and fired up their Ericsson 8" hot air engine.

The Austral at first did not start easily, most likely not hot enough. I tried to get by with only two LP gas torches, whereas the previous starts had been with three. After retrieving the third torch, which had been used to start the engine of their McDonald road roller, it was soon hot enough, and started OK. This was only the fourth start since I took charge of the engine after quite some years of it standing idle. I find it necessary to stand on the flywheel spokes to get this engine rolling, but would never dream of doing this against compression to attempt starting! I get a couple of helpers to assist pulling the flywheels - much safer.

I had never run the Ericsson before, though in principle it is the same as my 6" Rider-Ericsson. It started very easily after quite a short time from light up, but I found the water pump would not prime. After much hand pumping and attempted priming, it still would not pump, so I raked out the fire and let it cool. I dismantled the pump and found the leather bucket was not sealing. I'll fit a new bucket soon and have another try.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au
Arcadia, NSW, Australia


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 27 09:05:31 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:05:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20060127.211133.1204.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

Has anyone any sketches of, or knowledge of, small model oil drilling
rigs
that use telephone bell coils as a sorce of power to make them operate ?

I knew a man (Paul) that I haven't seen in a few years that had these 
and think I might like to build one.

Thanks for any replies.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."
 


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jan 27 18:05:44 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:05:44 +0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
Message-ID: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>

You may have noticed that there has been a marked absence of postings from
members in the Eastern States of Australia . Many of these blokes live in
fire risk areas and would no doubt be busy looking after their properties
and in some cases are active in volunteer fire fighting teams.
I live in an area that could be at risk but due to a quirk in seasonal
conditions no hot weather has been experienced so far this summer. The fuel
is there so the risk is present.
Precautions .......I would be interested to hear what other members who are
at risk do.
In my case I rely on rain water storage and a submerged bore pump. I have
tank capacity of 30,000 gallons . This consists of two 12,000 gal tanks of
 rain water and a 6,000 gal tank that is topped up by rain water and
bore water.The bore water is OK but does have a Tannin content ,this
dissipates so can be used for drinking.
The house is protected by a deluge sprinkler system that I have installed.
This is fed by the 2.5 HP electric bore pump. This is OK whilst there is
mains power . But as in the case of a large bush fire the the power supply 
is usually cut off.To overcome this i have installed a 4HP Rosebery 
engine[ this is where the hobby cuts in] .The Rosebery drives a 2 inch 
centrifugal pump piped into the deluge system and fed from a separate water 
tank.I start the Rosebery with a 12 v starter motor ,battery on constant 
trickle charge.
All this combined with a portable fire pump gives me some peace of mind and 
I feel that I have done the best I can to combat a fire .
It would be interesting to hear what methods you in other parts do .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From oldengines at bigpond.com  Sat Jan 28 00:47:38 2006
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:47:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT ENGINES FOR SALE in OZ
Message-ID: <004101c623e7$7e28abd0$0100000a@ronliz1>

Hi All
 Have convinced Ron to lighten off his every growing list of engines. we are selling Listers A to Q, 6hp Witte, 4hp Associated setup with sparkplug and buzzcoil and has original petrol kero fuel tank , Rarest  1 1/2hp  OTTAWA restored , 1 1/2hp Fairbanks Z with evaporative radiator  on it old restoration, Vertical Bamford, Moffit Virtue with shearing stand. Cooper shearing stand, and more as we keep finding them. ph 0246842243 after 6pm or 0412901008 during the day
Liz
Ron & Liz Sullivan
oldengines at bigpond.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines.html


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Jan 28 02:02:58 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:02:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
References: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000801c623f2$0449efd0$09436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Several things that are recommended in Southern California are, A clear fire 
proof area a 100 feet in dia. around buildings. A fire proof roof and 
enclosed eves.  Shrubbery around houses and buildings should be of the types 
that do not burn easily.  These are a few things.  Oddly enough swimming 
pools are almost never made so that the fire department can get at the 
water.  It would be a simple thing to run a pipe out to some accessible 
place when they are made.
Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire ...in Australia and North America


You may have noticed that there has been a marked absence of postings from
members in the Eastern States of Australia . Many of these blokes live in
fire risk areas and would no doubt be busy looking after their properties
and in some cases are active in volunteer fire fighting teams.
I live in an area that could be at risk but due to a quirk in seasonal
conditions no hot weather has been experienced so far this summer. The fuel
is there so the risk is present.
Precautions .......I would be interested to hear what other members who are
at risk do.
In my case I rely on rain water storage and a submerged bore pump. I have
tank capacity of 30,000 gallons . This consists of two 12,000 gal tanks of
 rain water and a 6,000 gal tank that is topped up by rain water and
bore water.The bore water is OK but does have a Tannin content ,this
dissipates so can be used for drinking.
The house is protected by a deluge sprinkler system that I have installed.
This is fed by the 2.5 HP electric bore pump. This is OK whilst there is
mains power . But as in the case of a large bush fire the the power supply
is usually cut off.To overcome this i have installed a 4HP Rosebery
engine[ this is where the hobby cuts in] .The Rosebery drives a 2 inch
centrifugal pump piped into the deluge system and fed from a separate water
tank.I start the Rosebery with a 12 v starter motor ,battery on constant
trickle charge.
All this combined with a portable fire pump gives me some peace of mind and
I feel that I have done the best I can to combat a fire .
It would be interesting to hear what methods you in other parts do .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 02:59:02 2006
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:59:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
In-Reply-To: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <43DB4E76.5050306@comcast.net>

It sounds to me like you have an excellent start on your fireproofing.

I live in the city,fires around here are sometimes welcomed!(Dope 
dealers,transients,undesirables).

I read quite a bit,though;and have family all over the "Left Coast" 
(California,Washington State,Oregon).

What's recommended there is removal of lawn within 50' of house,gravel 
in it's place (not joking).Stone or Concrete walls spaced away from house.

An emergency storage of water,like you have!

Neighbors in the area having a battery backed-up source of 
communication,such as low-cost CB radios.A regular channel for 
information,and an emergency channel.These channels would be decided on 
in advance,and taped to the radio's.A 'base station'antenna would 
help.if possible.You could consider CB radios for the car(s),also...do 
you folks use FM for CB radio? I'm pretty sure they do in England.

Flashlights,and "gas mask" type particulate removal filters (carbon 
type),with extra filter cartridges (Not the Michael Jackson type!).

                                 mike


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 28 06:22:17 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:22:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
In-Reply-To: <000801c623f2$0449efd0$09436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060128061717.01be3bc0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Jim around here that access to pool or dam water for fire fighting is 
through a item called a stand pipe. Many farmers have one on there dams or 
ponds for local volunteer fire company to connect to. Can be a real life saver.
R Fink
PA




At 02:02 AM 1/28/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>Several things that are recommended in Southern California are, A clear fire
>proof area a 100 feet in dia. around buildings. A fire proof roof and
>enclosed eves.  Shrubbery around houses and buildings should be of the types
>that do not burn easily.  These are a few things.  Oddly enough swimming
>pools are almost never made so that the fire department can get at the
>water.  It would be a simple thing to run a pipe out to some accessible
>place when they are made.
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 28 06:34:14 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:34:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
In-Reply-To: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060128062301.01b513e0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Peter that sounds like a good system. My luck would be if i had to use it 
the battery would be dead or starter would lock up.   The only thing i have 
experience close to this was back about 20 years ago we had a brush fire 
behind our house.[a few thousand acres of water shed] I came home from work 
when i heard it was on fire . The local fire department was on the seen and 
i informed them i had just filled a 1100 gallon gas tank we had there for 
our trucks. They never left our place till the fire was completely out. I 
don't think any thing is more dangerous  that a fire or flood.
R Fink
PA





At 10:05 AM 1/28/2006 +0800, you wrote:
>You may have noticed that there has been a marked absence of postings from
>members in the Eastern States of Australia . Many of these blokes live in
>fire risk areas and would no doubt be busy looking after their properties
>and in some cases are active in volunteer fire fighting teams.
>I live in an area that could be at risk but due to a quirk in seasonal
>conditions no hot weather has been experienced so far this summer. The fuel
>is there so the risk is present.
>Precautions .......I would be interested to hear what other members who are
>at risk do.
>In my case I rely on rain water storage and a submerged bore pump. I have
>tank capacity of 30,000 gallons . This consists of two 12,000 gal tanks of
>rain water and a 6,000 gal tank that is topped up by rain water and
>bore water.The bore water is OK but does have a Tannin content ,this
>dissipates so can be used for drinking.
>The house is protected by a deluge sprinkler system that I have installed.
>This is fed by the 2.5 HP electric bore pump. This is OK whilst there is
>mains power . But as in the case of a large bush fire the the power supply 
>is usually cut off.To overcome this i have installed a 4HP Rosebery 
>engine[ this is where the hobby cuts in] .The Rosebery drives a 2 inch 
>centrifugal pump piped into the deluge system and fed from a separate 
>water tank.I start the Rosebery with a 12 v starter motor ,battery on 
>constant trickle charge.
>All this combined with a portable fire pump gives me some peace of mind 
>and I feel that I have done the best I can to combat a fire .
>It would be interesting to hear what methods you in other parts do .
>Peter Ogborne
>Little Grove ,Albany
>West Australia
>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From mcghee9 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 07:31:25 2006
From: mcghee9 at comcast.net (McGhee)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:31:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Great Engine Day
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102152547.029de9d8@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <004801c6241f$ea2335c0$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net>

 Last fall I picked up a 1913 Fairbanks H hit&miss and a pre 1918 Novo 3 HP
which had been stored in a ole Gents barn for the last 60 years. He would'nt
put a price on them but would take bids so I put in a low bid and forgot
about them. Two weeks later I got a call that they were mine. I was the only
one to show up. When I went to pick them up he handed me a bag with 2 buzz
coils and 8 never used Champion Gas Engine Special spark plugs. Long story
short the H fired and ran yesterday for the first time in over 60 plus
years, after I remembered it needed gas in the tank to do that. Now onto the
Novo before winter is over.

Carl McGhee
Battle Creek, Michigan
USA



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 28 07:28:30 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Great Engine Day
In-Reply-To: <004801c6241f$ea2335c0$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102152547.029de9d8@web1.nlenet.net>
	<004801c6241f$ea2335c0$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43DB8D9E.3010607@scrtc.com>

Carl,
    You're a lucky dude.  There aren't many of these things left in 
barns and out buildings.  I got a 2 HP H FM and a 6 HP Novo about 30 
years ago almost the same way.  The guy had the old hunks of iron and 
they were sitting beside his barn.  Several engine folks knew they were 
there but I guess no one ever approached him the right way.  I got them 
both for $50.  Those were the days.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Last fall I picked up a 1913 Fairbanks H hit&miss and a pre 1918 Novo 3 HP
>which had been stored in a ole Gents barn for the last 60 years. He would'nt
>put a price on them but would take bids so I put in a low bid and forgot
>about them. Two weeks later I got a call that they were mine. I was the only
>one to show up. When I went to pick them up he handed me a bag with 2 buzz
>coils and 8 never used Champion Gas Engine Special spark plugs. Long story
>short the H fired and ran yesterday for the first time in over 60 plus
>years, after I remembered it needed gas in the tank to do that. Now onto the
>Novo before winter is over.
>
>Carl McGhee
>Battle Creek, Michigan
>USA
>
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>
>
>
>  
>




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 28 19:01:05 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:01:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43DC2FF1.50904@earthlink.net>

Songs not bad. My dad was on the jump list that day and I still remember 
him telling me the story. All these years later I still feel his pain of 
those jumpers he knew and lost.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



James Moran wrote:
> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
>   JM
>
>
>   



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 28 20:23:42 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:23:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, Brush Fires and Smoke Jumpers
Message-ID: <43DC434E.3030709@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I just talked to my mom about the Mann Gulch fire. My dad went out on 
the plane for a small fire before the Mann Gulch fire. 15 left on the 
next plane and two survived.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From blain.clark at sympatico.ca  Sat Jan 28 21:03:58 2006
From: blain.clark at sympatico.ca (blain clark)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:03:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw
Message-ID: <011301c62491$69ba6940$0a02a8c0@homewpqedq635q>

I am looking for information on a witte drag saw.
Pictures of the engine and front guide would be great. 
But any information would help.
Thank you fro your time 
Blain Clark


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 29 09:45:51 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:45:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw
References: <011301c62491$69ba6940$0a02a8c0@homewpqedq635q>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV74FA5D7488BAC2F625E09BB160@phx.gbl>

Blain...some detective work here might get you some answers:

http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1311


Good Luck
RickinMt.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "blain clark" <blain.clark at sympatico.ca>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw


I am looking for information on a witte drag saw.
Pictures of the engine and front guide would be great. 
But any information would help.
Thank you fro your time 
Blain Clark
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 29 11:06:16 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV74FA5D7488BAC2F625E09BB160@phx.gbl>
References: <011301c62491$69ba6940$0a02a8c0@homewpqedq635q>
	<BAY109-DAV74FA5D7488BAC2F625E09BB160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1138561576.43dd1228951b6@webmail.city-net.com>

Blain,

Dave Rotigel has a Witte drag saw plus a lot of literature on them.
Contact him at rotigel at alltel.net

See ya,  Arnie

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "blain clark" <blain.clark at sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:03 PM
> 
> I am looking for information on a witte drag saw.
> Pictures of the engine and front guide would be great. 
> But any information would help.
> Thank you fro your time 
> Blain Clark




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jan 29 12:41:30 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:41:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding
Message-ID: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>

Did something a couple of weeks ago some of you may find helpful. If you 
have ever tried welding or brazing castings you know and understand the 
necessity of preheating and slow cooling. If its small use a torch for 
heating and bury it in a sand pile to let it cool slowly. I've heard of 
doing mid-sized parts by initially heating on a barbecue grill as well as 
putting them back on for controlled cooling.

I got hold of one to big for either a couple of weeks ago. I had to weld up 
a transmission housing that measuered roughly 1 x 2 x 3 feet. First off it 
was very greasy so I sent it to an automotive machine shop to be cleaned. To 
initially preheat it I used one of those torpedo shaped kerosene heaters 
like you see used on construction sites. I heated the part for about an hour 
until you couldn't touch it by hand. Then we used the rosebud to finish 
preheating the area to be welded. After welding I put it back in front of 
the heater for another hour to equalize the temp. Nothing went CRACK!!! so I 
assume all worked well.

John Hall 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 29 13:11:32 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:11:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding
In-Reply-To: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <1138569092.43dd2f843a1cc@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi John,

Something else you can try when you need to heat large, ackwardly shaped chunks
of iron.  Get some black pipe and fittings and build a "fire frame" around the
piece.  Drill a bunch of holes in the pipe on the side toward the object. 
Connect the natural gas or propane, turn it on, and light.  This works best if
you have some way to retain the heat, but will work out in the open in a
pinch.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net>:

> I got hold of one to big for either a couple of weeks ago. I had to weld up 
> a transmission housing that measuered roughly 1 x 2 x 3 feet. First off it 
> was very greasy so I sent it to an automotive machine shop to be cleaned. To
> initially preheat it I used one of those torpedo shaped kerosene heaters 
> like you see used on construction sites. I heated the part for about an hour
> until you couldn't touch it by hand. Then we used the rosebud to finish 
> preheating the area to be welded. After welding I put it back in front of 
> the heater for another hour to equalize the temp. Nothing went CRACK!!! so I
> assume all worked well.



From reb at apex.net  Sun Jan 29 13:25:23 2006
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:25:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding
References: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <004701c6251a$841f2990$0202a8c0@Dads>

I have also heard for repairing large pieces of building a fire, either wood 
or charcoal around the piece and once hot remove it from the fire and repair 
it and then returning it to the fire and let it burn out and cool.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding


> Did something a couple of weeks ago some of you may find helpful. If you 
> have ever tried welding or brazing castings you know and understand the 
> necessity of preheating and slow cooling. If its small use a torch for 
> heating and bury it in a sand pile to let it cool slowly. I've heard of 
> doing mid-sized parts by initially heating on a barbecue grill as well as 
> putting them back on for controlled cooling.
>
> I got hold of one to big for either a couple of weeks ago. I had to weld 
> up a transmission housing that measuered roughly 1 x 2 x 3 feet. First off 
> it was very greasy so I sent it to an automotive machine shop to be 
> cleaned. To initially preheat it I used one of those torpedo shaped 
> kerosene heaters like you see used on construction sites. I heated the 
> part for about an hour until you couldn't touch it by hand. Then we used 
> the rosebud to finish preheating the area to be welded. After welding I 
> put it back in front of the heater for another hour to equalize the temp. 
> Nothing went CRACK!!! so I assume all worked well.
>
> John Hall
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 29 14:03:01 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:03:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] E-bay items
Message-ID: <43DD3B95.50609@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Poking around on e-bay today and came across this seller. He has lots of 
plans for sale including model engines, woodworking projects, etc.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Plans-Oscillating-Steam-Engine-Power-Meccano-Model-Toy_W0QQitemZ8255133504QQcategoryZ41369QQcmdZViewItem

Check his other auctions for more fun stuff. WARNING! You will probably 
spend money if you visit. I did. :-)

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 29 17:44:15 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:44:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Way OT auction item
Message-ID: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Insane doesn't come close, but it's the best I can do. Just look with a 
stupid blank stare as I did, and keep it off the lists. Had to share.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Seattle-Seahawks-SUPER-DOG-NFC-Championship-hot-dog_W0QQitemZ5659617304QQcategoryZ1467QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jan 29 17:45:37 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:45:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with Spencer 
Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 and met 
Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been joined by two good 
ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured Spencer that they had some 
good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want to buy and take off the wells 
that they were on.
	By 9:45 we were walking the hills of southern WV looking for engines. The 
first 3 we located were not much more that "parts." The 4th one was a nice 
20 HP--but in and almost impossible location for removal. (Spencer is sure 
that his bull doser is capable of the removal--I'm not so sure!) By that 
time it was 1:00 and we were all ready for lunch.
	After lunch (ie. 1:30) we were off again looking (this time) for a 15 HP 
that Vertis and Bob had never seen, but were sure was "just up thar on 
yonder ridge." Four ridges (and about 6 miles later) we had still not found 
the damn engine and Spencer was no where to be seen! After yelling to him 
for about 15 minutes we heard heavy breathing and Spencer appeared from a 
"hollar'" winded, sweating, red faced and gasping for breath--but other 
than that none the less worse for wear. He HAD NOT found the elusive 15 HP 
Reid!
	We tried one more (one mile) ridge looking for the 15 HP Reid and then I 
suggested that we all go back down to the "hard road" from which Vertis and 
Bob assured us we "can see the engine--but you hadn't try to cross that 
guys land to get to it." A half hour walk (like all the rest--UP HILL) and 
we were at Spencer's truck. Fifteen minutes later were looking across a 
field at the engine shack where the 15 was housed!
	We (Spencer, Bob and I) then walked to the closest trailer and Knocked on 
the door. Spencer introduced himself to the scantly clad chick who answered 
the door and asked her for permission to cross the field and the creek in 
order to have a look at the engine. She kept asking him "Is that all you 
want?" and after the 4th time he said "That's all!" she said "OK then do 
whatever you want!" and slammed the door.
	Spencer and Bob headed for the field (past the 2nd trailer) and forded the 
shallow creek. I, seeing the old man with the gun looking out the window, 
decided to hang back a bit to see if there were any shots fired. I, then 
went back up to the road to wait for Spencer's report on the 15 HP. Upon 
return Spencer reported that there were some parts missing, but it wasn't 
stuck! Vertis and Bob assured Spencer that they had the parts at home and 
that the engine would run!
	We then parted company with Vertis and Bob and went to have a sandwich. We 
talked about the engines and how they might be "extracted" from their 
locations. We also talked about the price that Vertis and Bob were asking 
and what they might take for one of the engines. Then Arnie and I headed 
for home (240 miles) tired, sour, buy happy with the day!
	I haven't talked to Arnie today, but I can tell you that my legs are sure 
sore! (I'll bet that I'll be taking it easy for at least two weeks!)  I 
can't tell you when I've walked 10+ miles (that's a conservative estimate) 
up and down hills in one day!  I do know that if this would be the last 
"engine trip" in my life it would be one of the best, GOOD friends, good 
hunting, good conversation--it just doesn't get much better than that!
	Dave
PS, Life is GOOD!
	



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 29 18:31:14 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Way OT auction item
In-Reply-To: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>

Maybe someone ought to do that with a brat from the Portland show.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Jan 29 19:06:39 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:06:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200601300307.k0U36th9035407@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip

Hi All,
	Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston 

Snip

	Dave
PS, Life is GOOD!

~~~~~~~~

Great story, Dave.  Thank you for telling it.

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 29 19:12:52 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:12:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43DD8434.5000502@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    Sounds like you had a lot of fun.  Your story reminds me of many 
trips that I made many years ago in eastern KY (not a great deal of 
difference between it and WV).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Hi All,
>     Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with 
> Spencer Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 
> and met Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been 
> joined by two good ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured 
> Spencer that they had some good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want 
> to buy and take off the wells that they were on.
>



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jan 29 19:41:32 2006
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:41:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200601292241320859.33F47F7D@heavyiron.atis.net>

It s all true!  Except for the scantily clad woman - She was fully dressed
and was old - I mean real old.  Nearly as old as Dave!   Oh - and the old
man with the gun put his gun away as soon as he realized the only sane
person in the group - me - was the only one that was not packing heat....
He quickly figured if the insane ones have the guns, what on earth could
the sane one have up his sleeve.

Seriously though, the day was great.  The engines were interesting and
Arnie's and Dave's explanations got me up to speed on oil field engines
quickly.   I actually know a little something about them now!   But most
importantly, the was weather and the country was gorgeous.   There really
wasn't any gun play and our hosts were great guys. The wells and derricks
were as intersting as the engines truth be told.   A lot of intersting
history in them thar hills in addition to rusty iron.

I have to make a few calls and look at a few other options, but there may
be an engine extraction party this spring; so stayed tuned

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 1/29/2006 at 8:45 PM Dave Rotigel wrote:

>Hi All,
>	Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with Spencer

>Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 and met 
>Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been joined by two
>good 
>ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured Spencer that they had
>some 
>good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want to buy and take off the wells 
>that they were on.
>	By 9:45 we were walking the hills of southern WV looking for engines. The

>first 3 we located were not much more that "parts." The 4th one was a nice

>20 HP--but in and almost impossible location for removal. (Spencer is sure

>that his bull doser is capable of the removal--I'm not so sure!) By that 
>time it was 1:00 and we were all ready for lunch.
>	After lunch (ie. 1:30) we were off again looking (this time) for a 15 HP 
>that Vertis and Bob had never seen, but were sure was "just up thar on 
>yonder ridge." Four ridges (and about 6 miles later) we had still not
>found 
>the damn engine and Spencer was no where to be seen! After yelling to him 
>for about 15 minutes we heard heavy breathing and Spencer appeared from a 
>"hollar'" winded, sweating, red faced and gasping for breath--but other 
>than that none the less worse for wear. He HAD NOT found the elusive 15 HP

>Reid!
>	We tried one more (one mile) ridge looking for the 15 HP Reid and then I 
>suggested that we all go back down to the "hard road" from which Vertis
>and 
>Bob assured us we "can see the engine--but you hadn't try to cross that 
>guys land to get to it." A half hour walk (like all the rest--UP HILL) and

>we were at Spencer's truck. Fifteen minutes later were looking across a 
>field at the engine shack where the 15 was housed!
>	We (Spencer, Bob and I) then walked to the closest trailer and Knocked on

>the door. Spencer introduced himself to the scantly clad chick who
>answered 
>the door and asked her for permission to cross the field and the creek in 
>order to have a look at the engine. She kept asking him "Is that all you 
>want?" and after the 4th time he said "That's all!" she said "OK then do 
>whatever you want!" and slammed the door.
>	Spencer and Bob headed for the field (past the 2nd trailer) and forded
>the 
>shallow creek. I, seeing the old man with the gun looking out the window, 
>decided to hang back a bit to see if there were any shots fired. I, then 
>went back up to the road to wait for Spencer's report on the 15 HP. Upon 
>return Spencer reported that there were some parts missing, but it wasn't 
>stuck! Vertis and Bob assured Spencer that they had the parts at home and 
>that the engine would run!
>	We then parted company with Vertis and Bob and went to have a sandwich.
>We 
>talked about the engines and how they might be "extracted" from their 
>locations. We also talked about the price that Vertis and Bob were asking 
>and what they might take for one of the engines. Then Arnie and I headed 
>for home (240 miles) tired, sour, buy happy with the day!
>	I haven't talked to Arnie today, but I can tell you that my legs are sure

>sore! (I'll bet that I'll be taking it easy for at least two weeks!)  I 
>can't tell you when I've walked 10+ miles (that's a conservative estimate)

>up and down hills in one day!  I do know that if this would be the last 
>"engine trip" in my life it would be one of the best, GOOD friends, good 
>hunting, good conversation--it just doesn't get much better than that!
>	Dave
>PS, Life is GOOD!
>	
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 29 20:07:04 2006
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
	<daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Item number: 7215343596 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jan 29 20:14:40 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:14:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <200601292241320859.33F47F7D@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
	<200601292241320859.33F47F7D@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129225304.11270ca8@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:41 PM 1/29/2006, you wrote:
>It s all true!  Except for the scantily clad woman - She was fully dressed
>and was old - I mean real old.  Nearly as old as Dave!

"Old?" My goodness "old" must have a different meaning in NC from what it 
has in PA! This chick was about 19 and had VERY little on! I guess that in 
NC (Spencer's home state) any girl over 16 must be "old." I think that 
"old" in that context is a legal term--but I'm not sure. Tommy, can you 
help us here?

>   Oh - and the old
>man with the gun put his gun away as soon as he realized the only sane
>person in the group - me - was the only one that was not packing heat....
>He quickly figured if the insane ones have the guns, what on earth could
>the sane one have up his sleeve.

As one traverses the hills in WV one never knows what one might encounter. 
bears, coyotes, cougars--even "old" women. One must always be prepared!


>Seriously though, the day was great.  The engines were interesting and
>Arnie's and Dave's explanations got me up to speed on oil field engines
>quickly.   I actually know a little something about them now!   But most
>importantly, the was weather and the country was gorgeous.   There really
>wasn't any gun play and our hosts were great guys.

There is not normally "gun play" when the other side knows they are 
"outgunned!"

>The wells and derricks
>were as intersting as the engines truth be told.   A lot of intersting
>history in them thar hills in addition to rusty iron.

Are we now back to that "old" scantily clad 19 year old? I just can't 
believe how you kept telling her "No" when she kept asking "Is there 
anything else you want?" YOU BE DA MAN!


>I have to make a few calls and look at a few other options, but there may
>be an engine extraction party this spring; so stayed tuned

Don't jump at the first oil field engine you see. As I tell my boys often, 
"You're NOT really in love--your just in heat!


>Spencer Yost

         Dave



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 29 20:33:22 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:33:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
Message-ID: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>

Just curious; is the mason jar the ?fuel tank??
 
Lew Best near Waco, TX
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_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jan 29 22:49:59 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:49:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00da01c62569$e40674e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ah! but what did ya miss out on??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip


> Hi All,
> Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with Spencer 
> Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 and met 
> Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been joined by two 
> good ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured Spencer that they 
> had some good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want to buy and take off 
> the wells that they were on.
> By 9:45 we were walking the hills of southern WV looking for engines. The 
> first 3 we located were not much more that "parts." The 4th one was a nice 
> 20 HP--but in and almost impossible location for removal. (Spencer is sure 
> that his bull doser is capable of the removal--I'm not so sure!) By that 
> time it was 1:00 and we were all ready for lunch.
> After lunch (ie. 1:30) we were off again looking (this time) for a 15 HP 
> that Vertis and Bob had never seen, but were sure was "just up thar on 
> yonder ridge." Four ridges (and about 6 miles later) we had still not 
> found the damn engine and Spencer was no where to be seen! After yelling 
> to him for about 15 minutes we heard heavy breathing and Spencer appeared 
> from a "hollar'" winded, sweating, red faced and gasping for breath--but 
> other than that none the less worse for wear. He HAD NOT found the elusive 
> 15 HP Reid!
> We tried one more (one mile) ridge looking for the 15 HP Reid and then I 
> suggested that we all go back down to the "hard road" from which Vertis 
> and Bob assured us we "can see the engine--but you hadn't try to cross 
> that guys land to get to it." A half hour walk (like all the rest--UP 
> HILL) and we were at Spencer's truck. Fifteen minutes later were looking 
> across a field at the engine shack where the 15 was housed!
> We (Spencer, Bob and I) then walked to the closest trailer and Knocked on 
> the door. Spencer introduced himself to the scantly clad chick who 
> answered the door and asked her for permission to cross the field and the 
> creek in order to have a look at the engine. She kept asking him "Is that 
> all you want?" and after the 4th time he said "That's all!" she said "OK 
> then do whatever you want!" and slammed the door.
> Spencer and Bob headed for the field (past the 2nd trailer) and forded the 
> shallow creek. I, seeing the old man with the gun looking out the window, 
> decided to hang back a bit to see if there were any shots fired. I, then 
> went back up to the road to wait for Spencer's report on the 15 HP. Upon 
> return Spencer reported that there were some parts missing, but it wasn't 
> stuck! Vertis and Bob assured Spencer that they had the parts at home and 
> that the engine would run!
> We then parted company with Vertis and Bob and went to have a sandwich. We 
> talked about the engines and how they might be "extracted" from their 
> locations. We also talked about the price that Vertis and Bob were asking 
> and what they might take for one of the engines. Then Arnie and I headed 
> for home (240 miles) tired, sour, buy happy with the day!
> I haven't talked to Arnie today, but I can tell you that my legs are sure 
> sore! (I'll bet that I'll be taking it easy for at least two weeks!)  I 
> can't tell you when I've walked 10+ miles (that's a conservative estimate) 
> up and down hills in one day!  I do know that if this would be the last 
> "engine trip" in my life it would be one of the best, GOOD friends, good 
> hunting, good conversation--it just doesn't get much better than that!
> Dave
> PS, Life is GOOD!
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jan 30 02:10:58 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:10:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
In-Reply-To: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060130210735.02f4cd80@mail.ncable.com.au>

Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old 
moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky 
engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St 
Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now need 
to put a 9 in front of the seven.

regards Russell


At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
>To all OZ members
>
>I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any 
>information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit, 
>trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info 
>about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
>
>Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
>
>Ron
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Mon Jan 30 04:08:58 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:08:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20060130210735.02f4cd80@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <008201c62595$f45a6f00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks Russell

I  was talking to a lady (Mrs Jarky?) about 4-6 months ago and she told me
that Frank passed away about 12 months before then.  He was going to write
down some history about Moffat Virtue for me but never got around to it.
Unfortunately.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old
> moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky
> engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St
> Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now
need
> to put a 9 in front of the seven.
>
> regards Russell
>
>
> At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
> >To all OZ members
> >
> >I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
any
> >information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> >trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> >about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> >
> >Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> >
> >Ron
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 05:07:26 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:07:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
In-Reply-To: <008201c62595$f45a6f00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

Group-
  It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You  (collectively) seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so  the following may not be hot news.  However, in western New York  (border region w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage  industry of oil rigs.  Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in what appears to be the backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as Olean, Wellsville (there ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in which one might search.
  Just a thought, though (as I said) you guys probably knew of this already.
  Jim Moran

Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:  Thanks Russell

I  was talking to a lady (Mrs Jarky?) about 4-6 months ago and she told me
that Frank passed away about 12 months before then.  He was going to write
down some history about Moffat Virtue for me but never got around to it.
Unfortunately.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gilbert" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old
> moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky
> engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St
> Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now
need
> to put a 9 in front of the seven.
>
> regards Russell
>
>
> At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
> >To all OZ members
> >
> >I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
any
> >information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> >trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> >about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> >
> >Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> >
> >Ron
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 05:08:50 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:08:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
Message-ID: <27b.40000bc.310f69e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2006 10:48:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
yostsw at atis.net writes:

<< but there may
 be an engine extraction party this spring >>


Spencer/Dave,

Great engine hunting story, and most of us have learned to read between the 
lines on Dave's stories!

Don't wait till spring to do the extraction, the W.Va. rattlesnakes are large 
and hungry that time of year!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Jan 30 06:02:35 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
References: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c625a5$d287e230$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

 There should still be quite a few oil field engines in west Texas. At 
Odessa,TX
 (half way between Dallas and El Paso) there used to be a pile of oil field
engines several feet high. Jim White of Cedar Hills, Missouri has cleaned 
alot
of them out of Oklahoma the past few years.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where 40 miles from here it is
half way berween the North and South Poles)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: [SEL] oil fields


> Group-
>  It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You  (collectively) 
> seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so  the following 
> may not be hot news.  However, in western New York  (border region 
> w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage  industry of oil rigs. 
> Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in what appears to be the 
> backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as Olean, Wellsville (there 
> ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in which one might search.
>  Just a thought, though (as I said) you guys probably knew of this 
> already.
>  Jim Moran
>
> Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:  Thanks Russell



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan 30 07:04:42 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:04:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


Hi Lew,
What was not mentioned in the description was that this
auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it: 
http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg



 
> Just curious; is the mason jar the "fuel tank"?




>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Ja
r-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZ
ViewItem
>  
>  
> Item number: 7215343596 











From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 30 07:42:35 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:42:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Engine weekend Part 1.
Message-ID: <43DE33EB.4010700@imc-group.com>

I am nearly ready to bore the cylinder on the 5HP Alamo engine. This 
will require an oversized piston to match and in preparation for this I 
began making the corebox for it over the weekend. I thought I'd document 
the process in case anyone else needs to make a piston for one of their 
engines. It's really a fairly simple process. I worked on it a couple 
hours on Friday night and maybe 4 hours on Sunday afternoon and evening. 
So what you see to date is about 6 hours actual work. The rest of the 
time is glue drying time.
I'll keep adding, updating, and posting this link as I make progress.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html>
Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 30 08:18:55 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:18:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:04 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Lew,
>What was not mentioned in the description was that this
>auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
>Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
>Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it:
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg

Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late 20's. 
the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) they would 
neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted down and turned 
into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to obtain one several 
years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it can be seen at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just click 
on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
         Dave 



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 30 08:29:23 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:29:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun engine weekend part 2.
Message-ID: <43DE3EE3.7080406@imc-group.com>

On Saturday I finally finished up the Stickney fuel pumper project. You 
may recall last winter I was making several patterns to cast Stickney 
fuel pump parts. After finishing Devin's engine last summer I started 
machining these castings and finished back in the fall. Since them I've 
been working on the plunger and all the other little parts inside. All 
that was left was plumbing the fuel system in black iron. Here are a few 
pictures from Saturday.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/StickneyPlumbing/Thumbnails.html>

Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 30 09:34:59 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  They 
have a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the 
start pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply "scale 
up" the smaller models.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>
> Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late 
> 20's. the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) 
> they would neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted 
> down and turned into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to 
> obtain one several years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it 
> can be seen at: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just 
> click on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
>         Dave





From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 30 10:00:47 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:00:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c625c7$1a0d0ba0$f039e204@OFFICELEW>

Wow!  That's neat.  I was just thinking if that mason jar was a gas tank
we've sure gotten smarter; could start a heckuva fire if broken!

Lew

-----Original Message-----
 At 10:04 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Lew,
>What was not mentioned in the description was that this
>auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
>Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
>Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it:
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg

Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late
20's. 
the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) they
would 
neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted down and
turned 
into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to obtain one several 
years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it can be seen at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just
click 
on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
         Dave 

 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 30 10:11:38 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:11:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
In-Reply-To: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301259100.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

I think my engine buddy Craig Prucha has plundered all of 'em by this
time.  8-)))  The other thing that's neat about that region is that a lot
of the engines were the ones that are highly desirable; Olins, Bovaird,
Seyfang, etc.

That region (Titusville, Oil City, etc.) is still damn interesting.
A great place to start is the Drake Well Museum.
http://www.drakewell.org/

Another awesome resource was Sam Pees' Oil History pages which don't seem
to be there any more.  http://www.oilhistory.com/

If Sam is still around he used to conduct "Oil Walks" through the Oil City
region.  AWESOME stuff still out in the woods there and the man had an
amazing grasp of the history of that area.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, James Moran wrote:

> It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You
> (collectively) seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so
> the following may not be hot news.  However, in western New York
> (border region w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage
> industry of oil rigs.  Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in
> what appears to be the backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as
> Olean, Wellsville (there ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in
> which one might search.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 30 10:45:00 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:45:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Tommy,
         And from what I have been told, and have read, you had to be 
upwards of 200 lbs. in order to depress the pedal even with the jump. I 
don't know if Craig ever tried to start his MAYTAG MOTOR or not. It would 
be fun to watch!
         Dave

At 12:34 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote:
>Dave,
>    It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  They have 
> a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the start 
> pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply "scale up" 
> the smaller models.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>
>>Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late 
>>20's. the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) 
>>they would neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted down 
>>and turned into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to obtain one 
>>several years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it can be seen at: 
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just 
>>click on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
>>         Dave
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 30 10:27:30 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:27:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301322244.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

I don't think Craig had the details on his webpage.  But the 40 hp
oilfield Maytag that he got didn't require the "platform jump" as some
did.  His was setup with a 10 hp Reid belted to a walking beam.  There was
a vertical post attached to the beam that pushed down on the pedal
cranking it over.  Much safer, but still no more effective.  OTOH, it was
(like most Maytags) in excellent condition from essentially no use.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>     It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  They
> have a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the
> start pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply "scale
> up" the smaller models.
> >
> > Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late
> > 20's. the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers)
> > they would neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted
> > down and turned into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to
> > obtain one several years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it
> > can be seen at:
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just
> > click on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
> >         Dave



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 30 10:29:33 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
	<daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>
	<000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301327570.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Derek,

On the contrary, that Maytag is still available.  And those fins on the
horizontal cylinder help guide the axe home.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, derek wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596
> Item number: 7215343596



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 11:08:45 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:08:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301259100.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060130190846.39852.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah...I had a feeling that the NY/PA thing was  far from being the best kept secret in the world.  I just threw it  out there.
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

I think my engine buddy Craig Prucha has plundered all of 'em by this
time.  8-)))  The other thing that's neat about that region is that a lot
of the engines were the ones that are highly desirable; Olins, Bovaird,
Seyfang, etc.

That region (Titusville, Oil City, etc.) is still damn interesting.
A great place to start is the Drake Well Museum.
http://www.drakewell.org/

Another awesome resource was Sam Pees' Oil History pages which don't seem
to be there any more.  http://www.oilhistory.com/

If Sam is still around he used to conduct "Oil Walks" through the Oil City
region.  AWESOME stuff still out in the woods there and the man had an
amazing grasp of the history of that area.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, James Moran wrote:

> It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You
> (collectively) seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so
> the following may not be hot news.  However, in western New York
> (border region w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage
> industry of oil rigs.  Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in
> what appears to be the backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as
> Olean, Wellsville (there ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in
> which one might search.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 30 11:13:32 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:13:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>	<43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43DE655C.5060903@imc-group.com>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>         And from what I have been told, and have read, you had to be 
> upwards of 200 lbs. in order to depress the pedal even with the jump.

Dave,
Hence the term "Maytag twin" as it was advisable to jump on that pedal 
in pairs.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jan 30 11:05:08 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:05:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
In-Reply-To: <008201c62595$f45a6f00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20060130210735.02f4cd80@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060131060203.02f49750@mail.ncable.com.au>

Ron thats sad news. He was a very helpful fellow. I spoke to him numerous 
times about my Moffit Virtue (first engine) during it's restoration. He 
supplied me with new spare parts, gaskets, manuals etc. Was a wealth of 
knowledge, It's a shame good people can't stay around longer.
Russell


At 11:08 PM 30/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
>Thanks Russell
>
>I  was talking to a lady (Mrs Jarky?) about 4-6 months ago and she told me
>that Frank passed away about 12 months before then.  He was going to write
>down some history about Moffat Virtue for me but never got around to it.
>Unfortunately.
>
>Ron
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
>
>
> > Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old
> > moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky
> > engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St
> > Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now
>need
> > to put a 9 in front of the seven.
> >
> > regards Russell
> >
> >
> > At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
> > >To all OZ members
> > >
> > >I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
>any
> > >information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> > >trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> > >about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> > >
> > >Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> > >
> > >Ron
> > >_______________________________________________
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> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> >
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From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us  Mon Jan 30 12:12:41 2006
From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - Help wanted in Mesa Arizona
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301327570.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
	<daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>
	<000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301327570.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601301509480.5612@alcor.astro.indiana.edu>


  	If anyone is willing and able to pick up a old tool in Mesa 
Arizona in early February Please contact me off list.  I'm guessing the 
weight is < 400 lbs and size is roughly 2 to 4 cubic feet.

Thanks,
Brice



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 30 13:20:17 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:20:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
Message-ID: <02d101c625e5$338ec190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>


I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share 
it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him 
but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I still 
dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.

<<Everyone,

I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed to 
drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.

We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our 
motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all 
their calls and only speak to people they trust.

So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell as 
we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and asked 
"who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure she 
had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There 
was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.

Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has 
snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in the 
driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point in 
stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.

Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps 
house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was 
sure he was home.

Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!

Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and 
that I'd handle the shipping.

He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."

He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if he 
wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process 
and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.

He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he had 
in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying around. 
Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he probably 
has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.

At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system. 
Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to 
make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to 
him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is 
owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon. 
(Hah!)

I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps 
attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.

As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take a 
legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the 
goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.

George




Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jan 30 14:21:34 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:21:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43DE916E.2060207@insulate.co.uk>

Apparantly, when they were running, they used up more oil for the smoke 
cloud than they were able to pump from the well.

Jim

Rob Skinner wrote:

>Hi Lew,
>What was not mentioned in the description was that this
>auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
>Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
>Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it: 
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 15:08:49 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:08:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <02d101c625e5$338ec190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20060130230849.17726.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

R&M-
  I am not involved in this in any way.  I'm just a fella in New  York who has followed this unfortunate piece of business.  Don't  tell me if you choose to not do so, but, how much money is actually  involved in this sorry mess?
  Thanks and best...
  JM

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:  
I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share 
it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him 
but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I still 
dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.

<

I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed to 
drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.

We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our 
motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all 
their calls and only speak to people they trust.

So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell as 
we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and asked 
"who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure she 
had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There 
was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.

Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has 
snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in the 
driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point in 
stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.

Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps 
house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was 
sure he was home.

Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!

Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and 
that I'd handle the shipping.

He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."

He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if he 
wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process 
and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.

He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he had 
in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying around. 
Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he probably 
has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.

At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system. 
Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to 
make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to 
him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is 
owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon. 
(Hah!)

I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps 
attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.

As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take a 
legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the 
goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.

George




Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 30 15:48:51 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:48:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
References: <20060130230849.17726.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03d901c625f7$ba515500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

$US 1700.00
Also there is the nasty taste of being ripped off by a liar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest


> R&M-
>  I am not involved in this in any way.  I'm just a fella in New  York who 
> has followed this unfortunate piece of business.  Don't  tell me if you 
> choose to not do so, but, how much money is actually  involved in this 
> sorry mess?
>  Thanks and best...
>  JM
>
> R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share
> it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him
> but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I 
> still
> dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.
>
> <
>
> I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed 
> to
> drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.
>
> We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our
> motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all
> their calls and only speak to people they trust.
>
> So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell 
> as
> we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and 
> asked
> "who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure 
> she
> had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There
> was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.
>
> Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has
> snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in 
> the
> driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point 
> in
> stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.
>
> Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps
> house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was
> sure he was home.
>
> Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!
>
> Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and
> that I'd handle the shipping.
>
> He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."
>
> He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if 
> he
> wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process
> and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.
>
> He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he 
> had
> in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying 
> around.
> Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he 
> probably
> has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.
>
> At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system.
> Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to
> make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to
> him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is
> owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon.
> (Hah!)
>
> I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps
> attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.
>
> As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take 
> a
> legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the
> goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 16:38:06 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:38:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <03d901c625f7$ba515500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20060131003806.20882.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

R&M-
 I would be the very last to suggest  that the significant amount of $1700 (in any country's currency) is  (nor should it be) easily dismissed.  At the same time, I  recognize that the "gut feel" of being cheated (disregarding the  monetary factor) is anathema to you as it would be to me.
 You have  been screwed.  You placed confidence and trust and were rewarded  with reprehensible behavior.  The fact that this misuse was  delivered by one of my own "countrymen" is an especial affront.
  That having been written, may I implore you to not make a shrine of this 
miserable  piece of business.  There is no dollar value that can be placed  upon the  comparative unhappiness dwelling upon it will ultimately  deliver upon you.
 I do not know you and will, in all likelihood,  never be so privileged.  I implore you to let this go and be happy  in all other ways that you might find.  Please consider my advice  and, if your heart can see the validity, follow it.  So many other  wonderful things await you...things that money cannot and will not ever  buy.
  JM
  
R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:  $US 1700.00
Also there is the nasty taste of being ripped off by a liar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest


> R&M-
>  I am not involved in this in any way.  I'm just a fella in New  York who 
> has followed this unfortunate piece of business.  Don't  tell me if you 
> choose to not do so, but, how much money is actually  involved in this 
> sorry mess?
>  Thanks and best...
>  JM
>
> R & M Ingold  wrote:
> I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share
> it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him
> but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I 
> still
> dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.
>
> <
>
> I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed 
> to
> drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.
>
> We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our
> motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all
> their calls and only speak to people they trust.
>
> So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell 
> as
> we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and 
> asked
> "who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure 
> she
> had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There
> was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.
>
> Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has
> snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in 
> the
> driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point 
> in
> stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.
>
> Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps
> house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was
> sure he was home.
>
> Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!
>
> Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and
> that I'd handle the shipping.
>
> He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."
>
> He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if 
> he
> wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process
> and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.
>
> He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he 
> had
> in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying 
> around.
> Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he 
> probably
> has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.
>
> At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system.
> Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to
> make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to
> him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is
> owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon.
> (Hah!)
>
> I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps
> attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.
>
> As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take 
> a
> legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the
> goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 30 17:24:17 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:24:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
Message-ID: <20060130.172418.1480.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Let's not forget the 40 HP Maytag that pumped water for the RR at Kelso
CA.   They had rope start, the passing train snagged the rope to pull it
over and start.  Was used that way for years.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:59 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
writes:
> Dave,
>     It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  
> They 
> have a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the 
> 
> start pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply 
> "scale 
> up" the smaller models.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 30 17:34:53 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:34:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
References: <20060131003806.20882.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Jim,
This all started as a warning to others in the hobby (There are a lot of 
modelmakers in our ranks.),not to deal with this ***** .    I am not alone 
in being done by him.
As it progressed, others became interested in the outcome, so I have kept 
the lists informed.
As you seem to feel that I should no longer report progress, I will no 
longer mention it on the lists.
But, It WAS list members who have been helping me with it. A situation that 
shows the goodness in most of the members. Most of us are happy to help each 
other with support and friendship no matter where we are on the globe.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>

> R&M-
> I would be the very last to suggest  that the significant amount of $1700 
> (in any country's currency) is  (nor should it be) easily dismissed.  At 
> the same time, I  recognize that the "gut feel" of being cheated 
> (disregarding the  monetary factor) is anathema to you as it would be to 
> me.




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Jan 30 19:09:22 2006
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:09:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>

Message: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890 at chaos>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?

Is it a fuel tank or something else?



Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
Runnin' with the wind ......
8^)



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 30 19:21:31 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:21:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
Message-ID: <00d101c62615$6eada400$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

It is the fuel tank.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim" <marshallman at iprimus.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30


> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
> From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890 at chaos>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?
>
> Is it a fuel tank or something else?
>
>
>
> Jim
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> Runnin' with the wind ......
> 8^)
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 30 19:24:37 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:24:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <20060131003806.20882.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
	<043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43DED875.6080104@earthlink.net>

<snip>
This all started as a warning to others in the hobby (There are a lot of 
modelmakers in our ranks.),not to deal with this ***** .    I am not 
alone in being done by him.
As it progressed, others became interested in the outcome, so I have 
kept the lists informed.
As you seem to feel that I should no longer report progress, I will no 
longer mention it on the lists.

G'day Reg,

You have done us all a service with your reports and warning. I am just 
getting started with models and if my first dealing had been with this 
LRB, I have no doubt it may have been the end of my attempt at models. 
My budget can't handle not getting what I paid for and buying another. 
Keep the reports coming mate.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 30 19:26:23 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:26:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
Message-ID: <00d801c62616$1d2703f0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

There is a valve in the glass bottle lid that opens when the jar is inverted 
and set down in the engine base that you see in the bottom view of the 
ENGINE.
Kitchen stoves among other appliances used this system but with kerosene.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim" <marshallman at iprimus.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30


> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
> From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890 at chaos>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?
>
> Is it a fuel tank or something else?
>
>
>
> Jim
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> Runnin' with the wind ......
> 8^)
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 30 19:32:57 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:32:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
Message-ID: <20060130.193257.1564.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.
Yes it is the fuel tank.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:09:22 +1100 "Jim" <marshallman at iprimus.com.au>
writes:

>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_
W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> 
> Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar 
> is?
> 
> Is it a fuel tank or something else?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> Runnin' with the wind ......
> 8^)
>


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 30 19:48:44 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130224732.11394520@mail.alltel.net>


>http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
>Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?
>Is it a fuel tank or something else?
>Jim
It's a gasoline tank for the motor.
         Dave 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jan 30 17:56:15 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:56:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun engine weekend part 2.
References: <43DE3EE3.7080406@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c62609$8559e4e0$0b151941@pengy>

Curt you will be happy to know that the power company strung the new wires 
to my building today and as soon as I complete some testing of equipment the 
Tod Engine Works foundry will be in operation!!!

A very good day!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fun engine weekend part 2.


> On Saturday I finally finished up the Stickney fuel pumper project. You 
> may recall last winter I was making several patterns to cast Stickney fuel 
> pump parts. After finishing Devin's engine last summer I started machining 
> these castings and finished back in the fall. Since them I've been working 
> on the plunger and all the other little parts inside. All that was left 
> was plumbing the fuel system in black iron. Here are a few pictures from 
> Saturday.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/StickneyPlumbing/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Hope you enjoy.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 31 03:38:23 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:38:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20060131113823.501.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

R&M-
 Please do not misunderstand.  I,  also, find such cheating to be repugnant.  Too, if there was  anything that I could do to assist in "making you whole" I would do so  without hesitancy.
  As indicated, I truly hope that, at the end of it, things resolve to your liking.
  JM

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:  Jim,
This all started as a warning to others in the hobby (There are a lot of 
modelmakers in our ranks.),not to deal with this ***** .    I am not alone 
in being done by him.
As it progressed, others became interested in the outcome, so I have kept 
the lists informed.
As you seem to feel that I should no longer report progress, I will no 
longer mention it on the lists.
But, It WAS list members who have been helping me with it. A situation that 
shows the goodness in most of the members. Most of us are happy to help each 
other with support and friendship no matter where we are on the globe.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 

> R&M-
> I would be the very last to suggest  that the significant amount of $1700 
> (in any country's currency) is  (nor should it be) easily dismissed.  At 
> the same time, I  recognize that the "gut feel" of being cheated 
> (disregarding the  monetary factor) is anathema to you as it would be to 
> me.


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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 31 06:00:37 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:00:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston core box and pattern update.
Message-ID: <43DF6D85.5000106@imc-group.com>

Worked a few more hours in the shop last night gluing things together. 
Got the boss put in the corebox and also the small rib that runs from 
the top of the boss up and under the crown of the piston. Here is the 
link. Last 5 pictures at the bottom.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html>
Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 31 06:25:06 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:25:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601310921480.45404@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I wonder if the winning bidder realized he was bidding on a repro?
Sheesh!!  The mind boggles...

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7584362645

Winning bid: US $114.77

This is an Iron Casting made from an Original Novo Water Hopper Cover. It
fits any 3 15/16 inch to 4 1/16 inch Hopper Hole.?I was told that all 1
cylinder Novo Water Hopper Holes from 1 h.p. up to 10 h.p. are the same
size. If this isn't true please email me the facts and Please Measure
your water hopper before bidding.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jan 31 08:00:22 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:00:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060131104707.03623868@web1.nlenet.net>

Hi  I am looking at a old air compressor in Memphis TN  It is a old dental 
type, weighs about 100 lb.  Is there any one who lives near there and could 
pick it up for me.  Once picked up I would like to see if it could work 
it's way north and we could meat at a show.  Perhaps Coolsprings, or Rough 
and tumble,   I am near Rochester NY

Thanks

Frank DeWitt



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  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 31 10:13:01 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:13:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ft. Meade show.
Message-ID: <43DFA8AD.7060509@imc-group.com>

Hey guys,
Is the Ft Meade show in Florida (Feb 22nd - 26th) a good one? Worth 
driving from NC there?
Curt


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 31 13:25:05 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:25:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Ft. Meade show.
In-Reply-To: <08e501c626a5$36282de0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com>
References: <43DFA8AD.7060509@imc-group.com>
	<08e501c626a5$36282de0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <43DFD5B1.2000600@imc-group.com>

Jim,
And I'd like to add a few questions too.
I gather it is thickly settled like Portland. Are newbies going to be 
able to come to this show for the first time and be able to find a place 
to set up?
Is there an established SEL area like we've done at Portland and 
Coolsprings?

I'd sure hate to tow a gooseneck trailer full of stuff down there only 
to find no space available because I haven't attended before and have no 
assigned slot. Curt

Jim Dunmyer wrote:

>If this is the Florida Flywheelers show, we've heard a lot of good things
>about it and are planning on making the trip from Michigan. Will be taking
>the Vaughn model along for display.
>
>Does anyone know if you have to be a member to display? Can you join when
>you arrive?
>
>                                                      <<Jim>>
>
>  
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 31 15:04:02 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:04:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060131104707.03623868@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <006d01c626ba$a1d018e0$230110ac@PAUL>

Frank, contact SEL member Bill Miller at BillMil357 at aol.com He might can 
help you as he lives in Memphis, he could only store it for you until you 
could find a ride for it as Bill does not make any show except the one at 
Evansville, Indiana.

Paul




DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN


> Hi  I am looking at a old air compressor in Memphis TN  It is a old dental
> type, weighs about 100 lb.  Is there any one who lives near there and 
> could
> pick it up for me.  Once picked up I would like to see if it could work
> it's way north and we could meat at a show.  Perhaps Coolsprings, or Rough
> and tumble,   I am near Rochester NY
>
> Thanks
>
> 




From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jan 31 16:02:43 2006
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:02:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
Message-ID: <1e1.4c7b604f.311154a3@aol.com>

Hey Frank Dewitt;
 
Why didn't you holler to me I live in Memphis, and will pick it up for you  
and will take it to the Siam Show in Evansville, Indiana around the 10th. of  
June and then maybe Glen Karch or Keith Kenny can get it on North to one of the 
 shows, let me know the detail's right away.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Jan 31 16:27:26 2006
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:27:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] engine trip
Message-ID: <20060201002728.493D162784F@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Dave, Have you checked Harry's lately? There are several oil field
engines for sale in different states or disrepair. You can back right up to
these and load one. I know it's not as much fun as wandering through the
woods but maybe you can buy two for what it cost to get one out of the
woods. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA ,415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan

 



From reb at apex.net  Tue Jan 31 17:11:18 2006
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:11:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
References: <1e1.4c7b604f.311154a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c626cc$68dc4dd0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Bill know a fellow going to Evansville and he plans on going on to 
Coolsprings but that is a long time off.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN


> Hey Frank Dewitt;
>
> Why didn't you holler to me I live in Memphis, and will pick it up for you
> and will take it to the Siam Show in Evansville, Indiana around the 10th. 
> of
> June and then maybe Glen Karch or Keith Kenny can get it on North to one 
> of the
> shows, let me know the detail's right away.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jan 31 17:28:24 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:28:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER
Message-ID: <20060131.203729.996.3.jlb94@juno.com>

I guess if you NEED it - Price is no object.

I was watching that to see how high it would go.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        
(_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Jan 31 17:51:40 2006
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:51:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net>

Here are some pictures from Arnie of the trip:

http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album23

Thanks Arnie!

PS:  My software has a slideshow feature that is real neat.   Try it.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 31 17:55:07 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
	<200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <ab55c66369bd025545960be77f1835ba@chartertn.net>

You left out the scantily clad girl!

John

On Jan 31, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:

> Here are some pictures from Arnie of the trip:


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Jan  1 02:36:32 2006
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:36:32 -0000
Subject: [SEL] 2006
Message-ID: <004e01c60ebf$3d2cdad0$82252f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Happy new year to everyone may it be filled with good engines and even better shows.

        Cheers , Craig in Scotland


       P.s I hope there are not to many sore heads from the celebrations.
        Pps  I'm just about to go and give the lorenz its new year spin

From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Jan  1 06:02:47 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:02:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <003a01c60edc$0bad0440$0b151941@pengy>

Now it looks like a steam guy is in the lead! 

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve sewell" <sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> At 10:33 PM 12/31/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
> 
> 
> CC'ed to the tractor list as this is for the ATIS charity
> 
> 
> Looks to me like a tractor guy is in the lead!!  (-;
> 
> - Steve
> 
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  1 07:24:53 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:24:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fired up the Economy and New Years Baby
Message-ID: <000701c60ee7$85ba6f60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Good Morning List ;

   Last night at midnight I pulled the 2-1/2 hp economy out of the garage
and give her a good crank and presto I hit my self in the head with the
crank , after which some PG 13 words came out of my speaker system , I
mannaged to reconect the crank and spin her one more time and she fired up
and purred like a lion on steriods , I guess I didn't wake anyone as I heard
no shots or yelling' put her away ,went to bed and got woke up at 7:07 A.M.
this morning with a phone call from my Son Troy , he called to tell me his
wife just gave birth to a 8 lb 7 oz girl they named Holly , 2006 is startin
out GOOD , she was born at 7:01 AM  first new years baby in this county for
a few years ,  Happy New Year All !

Rex Hinz







From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  1 07:29:31 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:29:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
	<003a01c60edc$0bad0440$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <000b01c60ee8$2b9da0f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Wow are they bidding on Dave or the maytag ? if his picture can bring that
kind of cash we should kidnap him and put the real thing up for bid :-)

 Rex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> Now it looks like a steam guy is in the lead!
>
> Rick
>
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 07:50:14 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:50:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fired up the Economy and New Years Baby
In-Reply-To: <000701c60ee7$85ba6f60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000701c60ee7$85ba6f60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601010750y3d98e857td9a2fef72f58275f@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, Rex Hinz <rex002 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Good Morning List ;
>
>    Last night at midnight I pulled the 2-1/2 hp economy out of the garage
> and give her a good crank and presto I hit my self in the head with the
> crank , after which some PG 13 words came out of my speaker system , I
> mannaged to reconect the crank and spin her one more time and she fired up
> and purred like a lion on steriods , I guess I didn't wake anyone as I heard
> no shots or yelling' put her away ,went to bed and got woke up at 7:07 A.M.
> this morning with a phone call from my Son Troy , he called to tell me his
> wife just gave birth to a 8 lb 7 oz girl they named Holly , 2006 is startin
> out GOOD , she was born at 7:01 AM  first new years baby in this county for
> a few years ,  Happy New Year All !
>
> Rex Hinz
>
>
Congratulations on your new granddaughter, Rex!

Peter & Rita
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 07:51:48 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:51:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fired up the Economy and New Years Baby
Message-ID: <15.52d82814.30e95494@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/1/2006 10:44:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rex002 at centurytel.net writes:

<<  got woke up at 7:07 A.M.
 this morning with a phone call from my Son Troy , he called to tell me his
 wife just gave birth to a 8 lb 7 oz girl they named Holly , 2006 is startin
 out GOOD  >>


Rex,

That is great news indeed and congratulations to you and your family on the 
new addition!  We kept 3 year old grandson last evening so the young folks 
could celebrate New years.  We have a lot of fun with him.

About the crank and head altercation (it could have been your teeth). Glad it 
was not serious and that is the reason most of us hang the cranks up and do 
not use them.

Happy New Year and have a nice day!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 10:57:56 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:57:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>

We were playing around with the new Google earth satellite images over
the holiday break, and found it to be quite usable.

Parts of the world are not available as detailed scans, but the
following location should bring up our two fields and the horses are
in the right-hand one.

Area of the fields is just over 5 acres.

52deg 19' 01.61" North
0 Deg 31' 07.50" West

Set the viewing altitude to about 800ft

If you click and drag the image upwards (viewing more southwards) you
can see the bottom of RAF Chelveston, home to one of the 8th AF wings
in WWII, some of the ammunition storage sheds are still visible, and
we had a fruitful search there a few weeks ago with a metal detector.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 11:25:32 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:25:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101192533.37738.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Is this the first time that you used Google Earth  or are you referring to the (recent) update?  If you are "on it",  you can peek at us by dialing in 3575 Chili Avenue, Rochester, New York  14624.  Ours is the poperty with the long driveway leading back to  a modern-styled house (pool in back).  We are on about 25  acres.  As you scan south, you will see barn and a "stream" (Black  Creek) that winds through the property.  The ranch house to the  west (on Stottle Road) is also ours (my mother lives in that  house).  As suggested, the other farm property (McCormick Deering,  IHC M, etc.) can be seen by going to 60 Golden Road, 14624.
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  We were playing around with the new Google earth satellite images over
the holiday break, and found it to be quite usable.

Parts of the world are not available as detailed scans, but the
following location should bring up our two fields and the horses are
in the right-hand one.

Area of the fields is just over 5 acres.

52deg 19' 01.61" North
0 Deg 31' 07.50" West

Set the viewing altitude to about 800ft

If you click and drag the image upwards (viewing more southwards) you
can see the bottom of RAF Chelveston, home to one of the 8th AF wings
in WWII, some of the ammunition storage sheds are still visible, and
we had a fruitful search there a few weeks ago with a metal detector.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 11:50:20 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:50:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101192533.37738.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101192533.37738.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011150x6f9b9edvb16e9a47f4c06fff@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is this the first time that you used Google Earth  or are you referring to the (recent) update?  If you are "on it",  you can peek at us by dialing in 3575 Chili Avenue, Rochester, New York  14624.  Ours is the poperty with the long driveway leading back to  a modern-styled house (pool in back).  We are on about 25  acres.  As you scan south, you will see barn and a "stream" (Black  Creek) that winds through the property.  The ranch house to the  west (on Stottle Road) is also ours (my mother lives in that  house).  As suggested, the other farm property (McCormick Deering,  IHC M, etc.) can be seen by going to 60 Golden Road, 14624.
>   JM

First time we have played with it, but as we are on DSL it seemed to
be a good time to look at it. The boys like looking round the WWII
airfields, we are in the middle of an area which had intensive areas
converted to airfields, so they can look at the images and see
features not available on foot.

The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 12:11:23 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:11:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101201123.1930.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
  Thanks.
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  We were playing around with the new Google earth satellite images over
the holiday break, and found it to be quite usable.

Parts of the world are not available as detailed scans, but the
following location should bring up our two fields and the horses are
in the right-hand one.

Area of the fields is just over 5 acres.

52deg 19' 01.61" North
0 Deg 31' 07.50" West

Set the viewing altitude to about 800ft

If you click and drag the image upwards (viewing more southwards) you
can see the bottom of RAF Chelveston, home to one of the 8th AF wings
in WWII, some of the ammunition storage sheds are still visible, and
we had a fruitful search there a few weeks ago with a metal detector.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 13:00:24 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:00:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101201123.1930.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011057t2c4235ceu5eb2a6f9aeb38850@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101201123.1930.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011300o23ee2d58y620c14d0142bed3c@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
>   Thanks.
>   JM

No address for the hosses! :-))

Rushden is not available as a detailed image, but the nag's field and
the airfield are, probably because they are mainly in Bedfordshire,
not Northants, The field where the horses are is the northernmost
point of Bedfordshire, the county border runs round 3 sides of the
property.

Try NN9 6AJ as a postcode, that gets you to the centre of Chelveston.
Follow the main road off to the right for 1 mile exactly and look for
two fields on the right of the road. The airfield is south of the
fields, if you get that postcode up and set the view to 7500ft, you
can get the fields in at the right of the picture and Chelvestion on
the left in the same image.

I can't find a way of saving a location that I have found.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 13:18:18 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:18:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011150x6f9b9edvb16e9a47f4c06fff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101211818.55845.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>



Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
>  Is this the first time that you used Google Earth or are you referring  to the (recent) update? If you are "on it", you can peek at us by  dialing in 3575 Chili Avenue, Rochester, New York 14624. Ours is the  poperty with the long driveway leading back to a modern-styled house  (pool in back). We are on about 25 acres. As you scan south, you will  see barn and a "stream" (Black Creek) that winds through the property.  The ranch house to the west (on Stottle Road) is also ours (my mother  lives in that house). As suggested, the other farm property (McCormick  Deering, IHC M, etc.) can be seen by going to 60 Golden Road, 14624.
>   JM

First time we have played with it, but as we are on DSL it seemed to
be a good time to look at it. The boys like looking round the WWII
airfields, we are in the middle of an area which had intensive areas
converted to airfields, so they can look at the images and see
features not available on foot.

The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.
  ** That is correct.  As you explore G/E, you will notice that  certain areas of the world (more populated, for example) are more  "detailed", so to speak.  A neat feature allows you to "outline"  buildings in major cities, too.  Again, your latitude/longitude  specs did not work (for me at least).  If you give something along  the lines of an address, that would help.
  Jm

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 13:43:39 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:43:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011300o23ee2d58y620c14d0142bed3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101214339.62680.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

Now I "see" you...utilizing the postal code you  provided.  Did not realize that you were in the UK.  The last  time we were in your country was July 4th of last year.  We were  at Paddington when the bombs went off.
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
> Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
>   Thanks.
>   JM

No address for the hosses! :-))

Rushden is not available as a detailed image, but the nag's field and
the airfield are, probably because they are mainly in Bedfordshire,
not Northants, The field where the horses are is the northernmost
point of Bedfordshire, the county border runs round 3 sides of the
property.

Try NN9 6AJ as a postcode, that gets you to the centre of Chelveston.
Follow the main road off to the right for 1 mile exactly and look for
two fields on the right of the road. The airfield is south of the
fields, if you get that postcode up and set the view to 7500ft, you
can get the fields in at the right of the picture and Chelvestion on
the left in the same image.

I can't find a way of saving a location that I have found.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 13:45:50 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:45:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101211818.55845.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011150x6f9b9edvb16e9a47f4c06fff@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101211818.55845.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601011345h24743962w9e4ef07c89288501@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.
>   ** That is correct.  As you explore G/E, you will notice that  certain areas of the world (more populated, for example) are more  "detailed", so to speak.  A neat feature allows you to "outline"  buildings in major cities, too.  Again, your latitude/longitude  specs did not work (for me at least).  If you give something along  the lines of an address, that would help.
>   Jm

Did you try the Postcode I gave in my last email?  Maybe these only
work if you're in that country?

UK postcodes work straight off with no additional info, just as I
assume a Zip Code would for you.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 13:51:06 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:51:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011300o23ee2d58y620c14d0142bed3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101215106.13661.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>



Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
> Your lat/lon did not work well.  Could you send a "street address" please?
>   Thanks.
>   JM

No address for the hosses! :-))

Rushden is not available as a detailed image, but the nag's field and
the airfield are, probably because they are mainly in Bedfordshire,
not Northants, The field where the horses are is the northernmost
point of Bedfordshire, the county border runs round 3 sides of the
property.

Try NN9 6AJ as a postcode, that gets you to the centre of Chelveston.
Follow the main road off to the right for 1 mile exactly and look for
two fields on the right of the road. The airfield is south of the
fields, if you get that postcode up and set the view to 7500ft, you
can get the fields in at the right of the picture and Chelvestion on
the left in the same image.

I can't find a way of saving a location that I have found.
  **  Previous "searchs" are retained as files on a "drop down" below the search line, it that is what you mean by "saving".
  JM

Peter
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 13:55:07 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:55:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Years Fire Up
Message-ID: <43B84FBB.8080908@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got these online. Enjoy!!
http://www.frapa.us/NY.html

Jeff

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Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 14:29:30 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:29:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601011345h24743962w9e4ef07c89288501@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060101222930.41315.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

** Our emails crossed paths in mid-ocean, I  guess.  As written, your code worked OK.  Were you able to  locate me using my zip?
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:

>
> The current image sets seem to be about 2 years old.
>  ** That is correct. As you explore G/E, you will notice that certain  areas of the world (more populated, for example) are more "detailed",  so to speak. A neat feature allows you to "outline" buildings in major  cities, too. Again, your latitude/longitude specs did not work (for me  at least). If you give something along the lines of an address, that  would help.
>   Jm

Did you try the Postcode I gave in my last email?  Maybe these only
work if you're in that country?

UK postcodes work straight off with no additional info, just as I
assume a Zip Code would for you.

Peter
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  1 14:26:05 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:26:05 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ....for those who care
Message-ID: <000801c60f22$5e85f5a0$e0298795@ogborneuah38i3>

An interesting piece of news ...American motor car and tractor manufacturers 
are now redesigning the seats . It seems that the arses are getting broader! 
Too much Mc Donald's !
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan  1 15:59:06 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:59:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth
Message-ID: <20060101235852.EYXJ19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

For those of you with Google Earth try this one, it is the R&V factory :)
To use the link just have GE running and double click on the attachment.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  1 16:14:16 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:14:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
References: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002401c60f31$7b6c5830$40148795@ogborneuah38i3>

Arnie.....perhaps if you are like me and cleared some of the stuff from just 
inside the doorway then things would be better!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Slick Willy" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch 
> of
> "Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).
>
> There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & 
> Stratton to a
> vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)
>
> In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.
>
> I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer 
> of
> stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, 
> and
> something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let 
> me
> take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an 
> otherwise
> genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))
>
> Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it 
> will
> take to get all the stuff listed.
>
> Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> eBay: hit_n_miss
>
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Jan  1 16:30:55 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:30:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
	<003a01c60edc$0bad0440$0b151941@pengy>
	<000b01c60ee8$2b9da0f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <001c01c60f33$cb76ff40$0b151941@pengy>

Bidding has stalled at only $103.  Certainly the list isn't going to let a 
steam guy win the auction?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> Wow are they bidding on Dave or the maytag ? if his picture can bring that
> kind of cash we should kidnap him and put the real thing up for bid :-)
>
> Rex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
>
>
>> Now it looks like a steam guy is in the lead!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jan  1 16:56:17 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:56:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
Message-ID: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>

If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't taken during a show.
J.B. Castagnos 
Belle Rose, LA
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan  1 17:30:16 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:30:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>

JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't taken during a show.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>Belle Rose, LA
>  
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From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Sun Jan  1 17:41:04 2006
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:41:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
Message-ID: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>

Hi everyone,
                   I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?

thanks guys,
                 Adam


Dear Adam Cottrill, 

PayPal, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are preparing to introduce PayPal Australia Pty. Limited ABN 93 11 195 389 ('PayPal Australia') a PayPal group company incorporated in Australia, as the service provider for PayPal customers in Australia. 

This is a positive development that will help us to provide our Australian customers with improved localised services going forward. 

We anticipate that PayPal Australia will begin operating on 2 February 2006. 

Please note no action will be necessary on your part. You will be able to continue using your PayPal account as you do today. 


Your existing relationship 

Until PayPal Australia begins operating in February 2006, your customer relationship continues to be with PayPal, Inc. (a US company), under the PayPal User Agreement which is governed by Californian law. 


A new customer relationship 

With the introduction of our new Australian company, your customer relationship will automatically be transferred to PayPal Australia which we anticipate will occur on 2 February 2006. At that time we will introduce minor consequential changes to the User Agreement and its incorporated policies and the Privacy Policy, similar to the current agreements and with no adverse amendments from our customers' perspective but without US-specific references and modified to comply with Australian financial services and consumer protection requirements. 

PayPal Australia will provide the PayPal service to you under an intermediary authorisation agreement, pursuant to section 911A(2)(b) of the Corporations Act 2001, with PayPal, Inc. which currently holds an Australian financial services licence (No. 283443) 

If you do not wish to hold a PayPal Australia account and would prefer to continue your relationship with PayPal, Inc., you may only do so if you are a resident in the United States and your primary address in your PayPal account, as of 2 February 2006, is a legitimate postal address within the United States. 

If your primary address is not in the United States and you do not wish to receive services from PayPal Australia, you may close your account at any time, either before or after the transition. To do so, log in to your PayPal account and click 'Profile' to access the relevant link. 

Once the transition from PayPal, Inc. to PayPal Australia occurs, we will post updated versions of our User Agreement, policies and Privacy Policy to our Web site. Should you have any questions about these upcoming prior to 2 February 2006, please contact Customer Support by email or telephone by logging in to your PayPal account. 

Yours sincerely, 

PayPal, Inc.



From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Jan  1 17:43:00 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:43:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ....for those who care
In-Reply-To: <000801c60f22$5e85f5a0$e0298795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <200601020143.k021hG9L065134@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Unfortunately, that's true.  I might add, however, not enough exercise also
figures into the equation.  

I care.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:26 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT ....for those who care

An interesting piece of news ...American motor car and tractor manufacturers

are now redesigning the seats . It seems that the arses are getting broader!

Too much Mc Donald's !
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 





From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 17:42:24 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:42:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43B88500.8080409@earthlink.net>

Hi Tommy,

You're not doing anything wrong. I get the same results for my house. I 
can recognize the house barely, and a couple cars on the block, but the 
resolution when I zoom is not very good.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
> type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings 
> it up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really 
> tell what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 17:49:26 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:49:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20060102014926.8573.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

TT-
 Captures of lesser populated areas are  much less distinct than ,let's say, Wall Street in Manhattan.   I've never been to Magnolia, Kentucky, but I am guessing that it is a  smaller town.  Try a neighboring larger city (Lexington, for  example) and see if the resolution does not come up in a superior way.
  JM

Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:  JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>If  you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland  fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it  wasn't taken during a show.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>Belle Rose, LA
>  
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan  1 17:56:40 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:56:40 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20060102015626.GTAY19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Tommy,
	You are not doing anything wrong it is just that your part of the
world is not in hi-res. A lot of the area is not in hi-res but when you get
a hi-resolution area the detail is fantastic.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland
fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't
taken during a show.
>J.B. Castagnos 
>Belle Rose, LA
>  




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jan  1 18:05:08 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:05:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1.5 hp Lauson value
Message-ID: <00c501c60f40$f5724c70$a9d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

By an unpleasant turn of events I have a chance to make an offer on a 1.5 hp 
Lauson with dishpan flywheels. The engine is complete except for fuel tank 
and skids. It has sat outside for many years and was completely locked up. 
At present it has been completely dissasembled. Nothing appears broken but a 
lot of new pices will be required--including a completely rebuilt mag--this 
one didn't have the brass plates on it--what a mess can the weather can 
make. Anyone care to take a guess at its value?

Feel free to reply off-list
John Hall
jthall at worldnet.att.net




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan  1 18:27:41 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:27:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <20060102014926.8573.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060102014926.8573.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B88F9D.1030406@scrtc.com>

JM,

    I can't imagine the Metropolis of Magnolia not being in the high 
population areas!  We've got all of 500 people living here.  The next 
town east, Mt. Sherman, has only 75 and the next town south, Jonesville 
has only 50.  I thought we were BIG! (well, at least my county is part 
of a "metro" area..... )

Tommy Turner


>TT-
> Captures of lesser populated areas are  much less distinct than ,let's say, Wall Street in Manhattan.   I've never been to Magnolia, Kentucky, but I am guessing that it is a  smaller town.  Try a neighboring larger city (Lexington, for  example) and see if the resolution does not come up in a superior way.
>  JM
>  
>
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan  1 18:32:42 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Jan 2006 21:32:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] For Sale: Heavy-Duty Iron Hauler Trailer
Message-ID: <1136169162.43b890caca5b0@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

For Sale: Heavy-duty trailer originally used to haul backhoe front loader. 
Suitable as old engine hauler. Deck is 75? wide x 176? long. Two mobile home 
axels, electric brakes, hand winch. Titled in PA. Inspection sticker is NOT 
current. Asking $550, but no reasonable offer refused. Photo at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/MVC-275F.jpg 

If you're interested or have any questions, please contact me OFF-LIST.
Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  1 18:38:03 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:38:03 +0800
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
References: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
Message-ID: <002401c60f45$91deb6d0$22228795@ogborneuah38i3>

Adam ....I would be very ,very wary, do you have to participate?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts


> Hi everyone,
>                   I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any 
> "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?
>
> thanks guys,
>                 Adam
>
>
> Dear Adam Cottrill,
>
> PayPal, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are preparing to introduce 
> PayPal Australia Pty. Limited ABN 93 11 195 389 ('PayPal Australia') a 
> PayPal group company incorporated in Australia, as the service provider 
> for PayPal customers in Australia.
>
> This is a positive development that will help us to provide our Australian 
> customers with improved localised services going forward.
>
> We anticipate that PayPal Australia will begin operating on 2 February 
> 2006.
>
> Please note no action will be necessary on your part. You will be able to 
> continue using your PayPal account as you do today.
>
>
> Your existing relationship
>
> Until PayPal Australia begins operating in February 2006, your customer 
> relationship continues to be with PayPal, Inc. (a US company), under the 
> PayPal User Agreement which is governed by Californian law.
>
>
> A new customer relationship
>
> With the introduction of our new Australian company, your customer 
> relationship will automatically be transferred to PayPal Australia which 
> we anticipate will occur on 2 February 2006. At that time we will 
> introduce minor consequential changes to the User Agreement and its 
> incorporated policies and the Privacy Policy, similar to the current 
> agreements and with no adverse amendments from our customers' perspective 
> but without US-specific references and modified to comply with Australian 
> financial services and consumer protection requirements.
>
> PayPal Australia will provide the PayPal service to you under an 
> intermediary authorisation agreement, pursuant to section 911A(2)(b) of 
> the Corporations Act 2001, with PayPal, Inc. which currently holds an 
> Australian financial services licence (No. 283443)
>
> If you do not wish to hold a PayPal Australia account and would prefer to 
> continue your relationship with PayPal, Inc., you may only do so if you 
> are a resident in the United States and your primary address in your 
> PayPal account, as of 2 February 2006, is a legitimate postal address 
> within the United States.
>
> If your primary address is not in the United States and you do not wish to 
> receive services from PayPal Australia, you may close your account at any 
> time, either before or after the transition. To do so, log in to your 
> PayPal account and click 'Profile' to access the relevant link.
>
> Once the transition from PayPal, Inc. to PayPal Australia occurs, we will 
> post updated versions of our User Agreement, policies and Privacy Policy 
> to our Web site. Should you have any questions about these upcoming prior 
> to 2 February 2006, please contact Customer Support by email or telephone 
> by logging in to your PayPal account.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> PayPal, Inc.
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Jan  1 19:08:18 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:08:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1.5 hp Lauson value
Message-ID: <20060101.220845.560.7.jlb94@juno.com>

$150 - $200

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sun Jan  1 19:20:05 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:20:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
References: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
	<002401c60f45$91deb6d0$22228795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <018501c60f4b$6d8367d0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Don't know if this means anything but we have sold 3 items to Austrailian 
customers and they all were paid by pay Pal..

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts


> Adam ....I would be very ,very wary, do you have to participate?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:41 AM
> Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>                   I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any 
>> "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?
>>
>> thanks guys,
>>                 Adam
>>
>>
>> Dear Adam Cottrill,
>>
>> PayPal, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are preparing to introduce 
>> PayPal Australia Pty. Limited ABN 93 11 195 389 ('PayPal Australia') a 
>> PayPal group company incorporated in Australia, as the service provider 
>> for PayPal customers in Australia.
>>
>> This is a positive development that will help us to provide our 
>> Australian customers with improved localised services going forward.
>>
>> We anticipate that PayPal Australia will begin operating on 2 February 
>> 2006.
>>
>> Please note no action will be necessary on your part. You will be able to 
>> continue using your PayPal account as you do today.
>>
>>
>> Your existing relationship
>>
>> Until PayPal Australia begins operating in February 2006, your customer 
>> relationship continues to be with PayPal, Inc. (a US company), under the 
>> PayPal User Agreement which is governed by Californian law.
>>
>>
>> A new customer relationship
>>
>> With the introduction of our new Australian company, your customer 
>> relationship will automatically be transferred to PayPal Australia which 
>> we anticipate will occur on 2 February 2006. At that time we will 
>> introduce minor consequential changes to the User Agreement and its 
>> incorporated policies and the Privacy Policy, similar to the current 
>> agreements and with no adverse amendments from our customers' perspective 
>> but without US-specific references and modified to comply with Australian 
>> financial services and consumer protection requirements.
>>
>> PayPal Australia will provide the PayPal service to you under an 
>> intermediary authorisation agreement, pursuant to section 911A(2)(b) of 
>> the Corporations Act 2001, with PayPal, Inc. which currently holds an 
>> Australian financial services licence (No. 283443)
>>
>> If you do not wish to hold a PayPal Australia account and would prefer to 
>> continue your relationship with PayPal, Inc., you may only do so if you 
>> are a resident in the United States and your primary address in your 
>> PayPal account, as of 2 February 2006, is a legitimate postal address 
>> within the United States.
>>
>> If your primary address is not in the United States and you do not wish 
>> to receive services from PayPal Australia, you may close your account at 
>> any time, either before or after the transition. To do so, log in to your 
>> PayPal account and click 'Profile' to access the relevant link.
>>
>> Once the transition from PayPal, Inc. to PayPal Australia occurs, we will 
>> post updated versions of our User Agreement, policies and Privacy Policy 
>> to our Web site. Should you have any questions about these upcoming prior 
>> to 2 February 2006, please contact Customer Support by email or telephone 
>> by logging in to your PayPal account.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>>
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>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jan  1 21:50:23 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 5:50:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
Message-ID: <4m3ac1$1qabqu5@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
> JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I 
> type in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it 
> up but I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell 
> what you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
The resolution is being upgraded on popular areas constantly. One day you and I may be able to see our houses.
J.B.


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Jan  1 22:04:53 2006
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:04:53 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl><01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy>
	<BAY109-DAV45998C277CAE5EA4C5268BB280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <02f601c60f62$72f81370$210110ac@service>

Rick, the new way mixer i have copied for my 4.5hp is different to the 3.5hp
mixers you have shown, i dont know if all the 4.5hp ones are different, but
hopefully someone can tell us, thanks to your photos i have finished my fan
& shaft, cheers for now
Chester from West Aussie.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more pictures
of
> the mounting bracket.
>
>   Question please to all the New Way owners:
>
>  Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm going
to
> call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the side?
> Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of the
> mixer?
>
>   I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned
> straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the air
> rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low pressure
> area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create the
> "venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Well enuf fer now.
> Thanks
> RickinMt.
> PS:  Are there any decals available?
>
>
>
> > Rick,
> >
> >  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that
shows
> > the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of
the
> > part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> > passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I
> > could
> > possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
> >
> > Rick Rowlands
> > Tod Engine Works
> > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> > and nonferrous castings
> > 2261 Hubbard Road
> > Youngstown, OH  44505
> > 330-728-2799
> > Fax 330-759-1524
> > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 00:43:37 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:43:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] PayPal Australia... your thoughts
In-Reply-To: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
References: <15003129.1136166064660.JavaMail.root@web09sl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601020043q473eb551w2f4788bf96d91e77@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/06, Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>                    I got this from PayPal yesterday does anyone forsee any "localised" issues? or is really just minnor name changes?
>
> thanks guys,
>                  Adam

PayPal originally only has a US-based service, but the rules and
regulations for other countries meant that it was unable to comply
100% with those rules if it was to remain only in the USA.

PayPal has since set up localised centres of operation that are
stand-alone as far as the local financial services regulations go, and
while the overall operation is still controlled by the US offices, the
local centre will comply with whatever is required by the host
country.

We had the UK setup a couple of years ago, and to be quite frank it
made no difference at all with what we saw or used. You will notice
that PayPal does not allow you to continue with the USA-based
operation once the Oz-based setup is running, unless you are resident
in the USA.

Overall, they are complying with the Australian financial regulatory
system, so no worries.

One benefit will be that the Australian ebay market will start to ramp
up, as the biggest thing holding it back has been the problems with
getting payment to ebay vendors in the local currency. PayPal started
offering $AU payments some time ago to us and the US, once the system
is working in Australia it will make life a lot easier.

It does NOT relieve you of the need to remain VERY vigilant about
transactions and payments however!

Peter
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Jan  2 03:07:20 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:07:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000901c60f8c$b4745a00$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Jan  2 03:19:29 2006
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:19:29 +0800
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <000901c60f8c$b4745a00$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <4js9r6$fs5lcf@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>

Arrived here 10.07PM your time Edd
Ray
Perth
WA

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Sent: Monday, 2 January 2006 7:07 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] test


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jan  2 05:15:34 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:15:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl><01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy><BAY109-DAV45998C277CAE5EA4C5268BB280@phx.gbl>
	<02f601c60f62$72f81370$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2159FEAB8CA5A88F358133BB2D0@phx.gbl>

For Steve Royster...Steve, was your picture of the mixer off a 4 1/2 hp.? 
It doesn't match up with the one that I have for a pattern:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/474997344jgkWft

and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit next 
few a few more.

For Rick Rowlands...I've sent you an email with no reply Rick.  Would you 
contact me off list please?


Chester, I need to make some intake tube measurements to make sure that what 
I got, is what I want.

later,
RickinMt.
Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Rick, the new way mixer i have copied for my 4.5hp is different to the 
> 3.5hp
> mixers you have shown, i dont know if all the 4.5hp ones are different, 
> but
> hopefully someone can tell us, thanks to your photos i have finished my 
> fan
> & shaft, cheers for now
> Chester from West Aussie.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
>
>
> > Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more 
> > pictures
> of
> > the mounting bracket.
> >
> >   Question please to all the New Way owners:
> >
> >  Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm 
> > going
> to
> > call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the 
> > side?
> > Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of 
> > the
> > mixer?
> >
> >   I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned
> > straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the air
> > rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low pressure
> > area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create the
> > "venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
> > Well enuf fer now.
> > Thanks
> > RickinMt.
> > PS:  Are there any decals available?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > >  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that
> shows
> > > the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of
> the
> > > part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> > > passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I
> > > could
> > > possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
> > >
> > > Rick Rowlands
> > > Tod Engine Works
> > > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> > > and nonferrous castings
> > > 2261 Hubbard Road
> > > Youngstown, OH  44505
> > > 330-728-2799
> > > Fax 330-759-1524
> > > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  2 05:45:36 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:45:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2159FEAB8CA5A88F358133BB2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>

Hey Rick you better be careful using the pretty towels to set your parts on. 
I saw a dirt smudge on it in a couple of the pictures. You might want to 
hide that towel in the bottom of the laundry basket so you don't get beat 
about the head!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===================

>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>
>
>and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit next
>few a few more.
>
>
>later,
>RickinMt.
>Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jan  2 06:16:48 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:16:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV681BC95673E68CF29C077BB2D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Luke...oh she saw it allright but she knows better than to waste her 
time/effort/words of wisdom on an ole fart <vbg>.

  Probably would help if someone with a 4.5 hp could measure the OD of the 
long intake tube that slips inside the mixer.  The female end of mine 
measure 1 5/8 "...and possibly could taper down...need to get snap guage 
out.


later,
Rick






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Hey Rick you better be careful using the pretty towels to set your parts 
> on.
> I saw a dirt smudge on it in a couple of the pictures. You might want to
> hide that towel in the bottom of the laundry basket so you don't get beat
> about the head!
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ===================
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >
> >
> >and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit 
> >next
> >few a few more.
> >
> >
> >later,
> >RickinMt.
> >Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.
> >
>
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 07:10:47 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:10:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <20060101012200.34369.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c60fae$b66bebd0$7a39e204@OFFICELEW>

Or is it 2361 hours?  Hehehe!

Lew


RF-
  It is December 32nd.
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  At one minute
past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 07:35:49 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:35:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <20060101222930.41315.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160601011345h24743962w9e4ef07c89288501@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060101222930.41315.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601020735u18ec7976xa6959a6afc909fbd@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/06, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ** Our emails crossed paths in mid-ocean, I  guess.  As written, your code worked OK.  Were you able to  locate me using my zip?
>   JM
>

Yes, in fact it took the whole address as you typed it. That looks
'winterish' to me, compared with our summer shot of the horse's field>

Peter
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Jan  2 07:31:39 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Faultless Engines
In-Reply-To: <20060101232356.34558.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <254.4178489.30e9ac35@aol.com>
	<20060101232356.34558.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102095044.02a54de8@web1.nlenet.net>

I have been wandering around the Project Gutenberg books by Google
http://www.gutenberg.org/  All the books are free.
There are some Tractor, steam, and machinery related books on there.  Most 
are plane type and therefor no pictures, and very small files.  75K

Hint.  I found the plane type books to be much more readable if you open 
them in a word processor and pick a nicer type font.

Some of the books are in HTML format and therefor look like they did 
original including drawings and pictures.  Here is an example.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/images/150/013.jpg

Here are two books I have found interesting.  Let me know what you find.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/11368-h.htm
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 07:42:17 2006
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:42:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <002d01c60fae$b66bebd0$7a39e204@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <000001c60fb3$1d25b190$7074fd04@lyle0592c054dd>

Every one knows that it is the twenty-fifth month of 2004, and how did you
guys come up with 2005? It is a mystery to me. Of course I've always been a
little behind on a lot of things.
Lyle Myles

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:11 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT What time is it ?

Or is it 2361 hours?  Hehehe!

Lew


RF-
  It is December 32nd.
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  At one minute
past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 08:07:50 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:07:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
Message-ID: <410-2200611216750281@earthlink.net>

There were 2 different mixers for the 4 1/2 hp that I know of.  Some of
them bolted on to the lower crank case block and the other style was held
in place by the intake tube and gas line.  My only guess to this was a
design change due to the latter not being sucure enough.


Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas






From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan  2 08:36:51 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:36:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crank Up
Message-ID: <303eb4130eb733db11206d8aa357d573@chartertn.net>

Only thing I fired up for New Year's was Dolly Diesel, the Listeroid. I 
hadn't had her out and running in a good while, and had a lot of junk 
piled up in front that had to be moved. As I was pushing her out I saw 
Callie, my engine buddy, headed back from eating on the back deck to 
the neighboring dairy barn where she spends most of her time. I called 
her, and she came back. She looked a little puzzled at first, then 
recognized what was going on as I prepared to crank Dolly. She started 
loudly purring and "talking" to me like a mother cat does to her 
kittens.

The SAE 30 oil on top of the head to lube the valves had all leaked 
down past the valve stems into the combustion chamber, and that created 
a bit of trouble getting her going. She gurgled loudly through the open 
exhaust valve as I cranked her, and I kept her spinning till I felt 
enough of the oil had been ejected that I wouldn't get a solid 
hydraulic lock on letting the exhaust valve close. There was enough oil 
in the chamber to raise the compression ratio to a level I couldn't 
spin past compression, still. It'd stop the flywheels and bounce back. 
I spun her some more with the exhaust valve held open, and got enough 
oil pumped out that I was just able to get her to spin over and fire, 
and she sped up normally with a great cloud of white smoke from the 
exhaust. (If that hadn't worked, I'd've opened the compression 
changeover valve to lower the compression ratio. Maybe I should've 
tried it sooner.)

The 230V bathroom heater I rescued from curbside a few years ago as a 
load for Dolly's generator wouldn't come on, so I let her just idle for 
a few hours, slobbering out a terrible mess of sticky jet black oil 
from the exhaust. Keeping a moderate load on prevents that. I did test 
the generator to make sure it's generating, by spinning up my bench 
grinder with the 120V output. Looks like that heater's going back to 
the curb. Else I may just completely bypass the thermostat in it to run 
the fan and heater continuously, which would really be better as an 
engine load, anyway.

While Dolly was running, I fired up my gas powered turkey fryer with 
the big cast iron pot and melted down 250 lbs or so of scrap lead to 
make ingots for future bullet casting. Ladeled it out into cast iron 
corn stick moulds, from which it dropped out as shiny silver-colored 
ears of corn. If any future archeologists find some of my ingots, 
they'll really wonder about those. Callie stuck around close while I 
was doing the melting, hopping up and snuggling in my lap while I 
waited for the burner to do its work.

Jane said it was good to hear Dolly running again. :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From don.h at wcoil.com  Mon Jan  2 09:36:58 2006
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:36:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>

Hey Judge am I spotting a Still in your back yard?????
Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland


> JB or someone familar with GE, I don't have very good resolution.  I type 
> in my home address, 1174 Upton Road, Magnolia, KY and it brings it up but 
> I have to be zoomed out quite a ways before you can really tell what 
> you're looking at.  Am I doing something wrong?  Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>If you want to make this on topic you can get a nice view of the Portland 
>>fairgrounds. Go to Portland,IN, look for the oval track. Too bad it wasn't 
>>taken during a show.
>>J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA
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From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan  2 09:43:51 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:43:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: New Year's Crank Up
References: <303eb4130eb733db11206d8aa357d573@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <009901c60fc4$18baa690$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

I started my "M" which ran well enough but  a stuck discharge valve check 
ball put a stop to it. I'll blow it loose with air when I get the time.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: New Year's Crank Up


> Only thing I fired up for New Year's was Dolly Diesel, the Listeroid. I 
> hadn't had her out and running in a good while, and had a lot of junk 
> piled up in front that had to be moved. As I was pushing her out I saw 
> Callie, my engine buddy, headed back from eating on the back deck to the 
> neighboring dairy barn where she spends most of her time. I called her, 
> and she came back. She looked a little puzzled at first, then recognized 
> what was going on as I prepared to crank Dolly. She started loudly purring 
> and "talking" to me like a mother cat does to her kittens.
>
> The SAE 30 oil on top of the head to lube the valves had all leaked down 
> past the valve stems into the combustion chamber, and that created a bit 
> of trouble getting her going. She gurgled loudly through the open exhaust 
> valve as I cranked her, and I kept her spinning till I felt enough of the 
> oil had been ejected that I wouldn't get a solid hydraulic lock on letting 
> the exhaust valve close. There was enough oil in the chamber to raise the 
> compression ratio to a level I couldn't spin past compression, still. It'd 
> stop the flywheels and bounce back. I spun her some more with the exhaust 
> valve held open, and got enough oil pumped out that I was just able to get 
> her to spin over and fire, and she sped up normally with a great cloud of 
> white smoke from the exhaust. (If that hadn't worked, I'd've opened the 
> compression changeover valve to lower the compression ratio. Maybe I 
> should've tried it sooner.)
>
> The 230V bathroom heater I rescued from curbside a few years ago as a load 
> for Dolly's generator wouldn't come on, so I let her just idle for a few 
> hours, slobbering out a terrible mess of sticky jet black oil from the 
> exhaust. Keeping a moderate load on prevents that. I did test the 
> generator to make sure it's generating, by spinning up my bench grinder 
> with the 120V output. Looks like that heater's going back to the curb. 
> Else I may just completely bypass the thermostat in it to run the fan and 
> heater continuously, which would really be better as an engine load, 
> anyway.
>
> While Dolly was running, I fired up my gas powered turkey fryer with the 
> big cast iron pot and melted down 250 lbs or so of scrap lead to make 
> ingots for future bullet casting. Ladeled it out into cast iron corn stick 
> moulds, from which it dropped out as shiny silver-colored ears of corn. If 
> any future archeologists find some of my ingots, they'll really wonder 
> about those. Callie stuck around close while I was doing the melting, 
> hopping up and snuggling in my lap while I waited for the burner to do its 
> work.
>
> Jane said it was good to hear Dolly running again. :-)
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>
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From svsuzanne at copper.net  Mon Jan  2 09:51:37 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:51:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000901c60f8c$b4745a00$8f85dccb@oemcomputer>
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g'day Edd
Dan Richardson
USA
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  2 10:21:56 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:21:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
Message-ID: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>

I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart the 
fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran fine 
after that. Pictures here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Jan  2 11:22:46 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:22:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
Message-ID: <001b01c60fd1$e9ef6680$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where the bears have gone to sleep
for the winter).

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  2 10:36:23 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:36:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
In-Reply-To: <004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com>
	<004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <43B972A7.9010901@scrtc.com>

Don, that's how I'm paying for my next hunk of iron!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> Hey Judge am I spotting a Still in your back yard?????
> Don
>




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan  2 11:20:17 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:20:17 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
References: <001b01c60fd1$e9ef6680$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c60fd1$91a13300$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto


Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant

Hi Charlie, It used to be dotto at micron.net a while ago.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From don.h at wcoil.com  Mon Jan  2 11:38:08 2006
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:38:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland
References: <4ks6db$1qr9p7j@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net>	<43B88228.9050400@scrtc.com><004801c60fc3$221a5bf0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<43B972A7.9010901@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <001901c60fd4$0f0420d0$6400a8c0@number1>

Thats a good judge bet them ole engine just pur on the drippins
Last little engine show I had out back to keep a young fellow busy I sat up 
my M and belted a grinder to it he ran corn thrugh it over and over I put 
everthing away except his little tub of corn gridn!s it rained and the next 
day there was all kinds of bubbling going on in that tub Heck I  should had 
gotten some copper tubing out ???
have a good year judge Don in Ohio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Google Earth-Portland


> Don, that's how I'm paying for my next hunk of iron!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>> Hey Judge am I spotting a Still in your back yard?????
>> Don
>>
>
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Jan  2 12:26:57 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:26:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Free engine related books on the web
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102152547.029de9d8@web1.nlenet.net>

I have been wandering around the Project Gutenberg books by Google
http://www.gutenberg.org/  All the books are free.
There are some Tractor, steam, and machinery related books on there.  Most 
are plane type and therefor no pictures, and very small files.  75K

Hint.  I found the plane type books to be much more readable if you open 
them in a word processor and pick a nicer type font.

Some of the books are in HTML format and therefor look like they did 
original including drawings and pictures.  Here is an example.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/images/150/013.jpg

Here are two books I have found interesting.  Let me know what you find.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11368/11368-h/11368-h.htm
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164

I posted this with the wrong subject, this is a repost.

Frank

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  2 13:53:57 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:53:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B9A0F5.6060009@wightman.ca>

You had more ambition than I had this year Luke. I  walked by an engine, 
contemplated, and then kept walking. :-)

Duncan

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart 
> the fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran 
> fine after that. Pictures here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Jan  2 13:06:42 2006
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:06:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy
Message-ID: <00aa01c60fe0$6e665910$6501a8c0@Shop>

Where can I find a serial number list for an Economy, 2 1/2 horse type A?

Thanks
Dave E



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Jan  2 17:32:46 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:32:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy
References: <00aa01c60fe0$6e665910$6501a8c0@Shop>
Message-ID: <000701c61005$9bb02110$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Try here if you haven't already
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/index.htm

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: [SEL] Economy


> Where can I find a serial number list for an Economy, 2 1/2 horse type A?
> 
> Thanks
> Dave E
> 
>  



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 16:00:56 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:00:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
In-Reply-To: <001b01c60fd1$e9ef6680$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <200601030001.k03013Qx037273@mail-gw.fsr.net>

I know Dave.  He's still active in engines, but I think he keeps himself
busy in his shop doing custom machining, besides having a full-time job.  

I'm reminded of Dave every time I go into my shop.  He sold me a beauty of a
lathe a few years back.  

Dave has one of the most spectacular John Deere 1?-h.p. engines, anywhere.
When he restored it he knew it was common as dirt; so, to make it uncommon
he put a finish on it that will rival anything you'll ever see in a car
show.  Dave never does anything less than first class.  

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R
Bryant
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:23 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto

Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where the bears have gone to sleep
for the winter).





From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 16:09:59 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:09:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F8F99B5CE01C4F884859E5C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke? 

I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
on the farm.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:22 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up

I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart the 
fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran fine 
after that. Pictures here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA


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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 16:27:57 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:27:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Google Earth images
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601020735u18ec7976xa6959a6afc909fbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060103002757.56647.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>



Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 1/1/06, James Moran  wrote:
>  ** Our emails crossed paths in mid-ocean, I guess. As written, your  code worked OK. Were you able to locate me using my zip?
>   JM
>

Yes, in fact it took the whole address as you typed it. That looks
'winterish' to me, compared with our summer shot of the horse's field>
  **  Based upon the dirty/gray of the fields and the fact that the  creek is swollen over its banks, I would say that the image of my house  is from the month of  March or early April.  Note that the  winter cover is on the pool.  Did you also look at 60 Golden Road  where the hit'n-m is located?
  JM

Peter
--
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From asouth at strato.net  Mon Jan  2 16:34:45 2006
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:34:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic     Better Late Than Never
Message-ID: <006401c60ffd$7fb46870$3500a8c0@ARTHUR>



Happy New Year!

Arthur & Deana








Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  2 18:43:52 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:43:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <43B9E4E8.9050009@wightman.ca>

Hey Orrin,
I got a CA here. One of the nicest tractors I have ever had.

Duncan

Orrin Iseminger wrote:

>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke? 
>
>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>on the farm.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.   
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
>Tonneberger
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:22 AM
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
>
>I cranked up my 8hp Stover that I bought last fall. Had to tear apart the 
>fuel pump and free a check ball to get it pumping. Started and ran fine 
>after that. Pictures here:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/stover8/stover8.html
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>
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Canada
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Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From reb at apex.net  Mon Jan  2 18:36:11 2006
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:36:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crank Up
References: <303eb4130eb733db11206d8aa357d573@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002701c6100e$7654e6e0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Fired up a JD I have been working on and let it run several hours.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Year's Crank Up


> Only thing I fired up for New Year's was Dolly Diesel, the Listeroid. I 
> hadn't had her out and running in a good while, and had a lot of junk 
> piled up in front that had to be moved. As I was pushing her out I saw 
> Callie, my engine buddy, headed back from eating on the back deck to 
> the neighboring dairy barn where she spends most of her time. I called 
> her, and she came back. She looked a little puzzled at first, then 
> recognized what was going on as I prepared to crank Dolly. She started 
> loudly purring and "talking" to me like a mother cat does to her 
> kittens.
> 
> The SAE 30 oil on top of the head to lube the valves had all leaked 
> down past the valve stems into the combustion chamber, and that created 
> a bit of trouble getting her going. She gurgled loudly through the open 
> exhaust valve as I cranked her, and I kept her spinning till I felt 
> enough of the oil had been ejected that I wouldn't get a solid 
> hydraulic lock on letting the exhaust valve close. There was enough oil 
> in the chamber to raise the compression ratio to a level I couldn't 
> spin past compression, still. It'd stop the flywheels and bounce back. 
> I spun her some more with the exhaust valve held open, and got enough 
> oil pumped out that I was just able to get her to spin over and fire, 
> and she sped up normally with a great cloud of white smoke from the 
> exhaust. (If that hadn't worked, I'd've opened the compression 
> changeover valve to lower the compression ratio. Maybe I should've 
> tried it sooner.)
> 
> The 230V bathroom heater I rescued from curbside a few years ago as a 
> load for Dolly's generator wouldn't come on, so I let her just idle for 
> a few hours, slobbering out a terrible mess of sticky jet black oil 
> from the exhaust. Keeping a moderate load on prevents that. I did test 
> the generator to make sure it's generating, by spinning up my bench 
> grinder with the 120V output. Looks like that heater's going back to 
> the curb. Else I may just completely bypass the thermostat in it to run 
> the fan and heater continuously, which would really be better as an 
> engine load, anyway.
> 
> While Dolly was running, I fired up my gas powered turkey fryer with 
> the big cast iron pot and melted down 250 lbs or so of scrap lead to 
> make ingots for future bullet casting. Ladeled it out into cast iron 
> corn stick moulds, from which it dropped out as shiny silver-colored 
> ears of corn. If any future archeologists find some of my ingots, 
> they'll really wonder about those. Callie stuck around close while I 
> was doing the melting, hopping up and snuggling in my lap while I 
> waited for the burner to do its work.
> 
> Jane said it was good to hear Dolly running again. :-)
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  2 19:57:57 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:57:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
In-Reply-To: <200601030001.k03013Qx037273@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <008101c61019$e25bc650$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Hi Charlie

Yes I'm still on the list and still playing with engines and models. I
pretty much stay in lurk mode but read most all of the postings. I keep
telling my self that I need to be more active on the list but never seem to
get it done. 
I have met some great and helpful people over the years from the SEL list.

Orrin is too kind with his complements, but he is correct about the full
time job, family and shop work that keep me pretty busy. 

Good to hear from you guys.

Dave 

P.S. Orrin I have herd rumblings about a newly finished model??

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin
Iseminger
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:01 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Dave Otto

I know Dave.  He's still active in engines, but I think he keeps himself
busy in his shop doing custom machining, besides having a full-time job.  

I'm reminded of Dave every time I go into my shop.  He sold me a beauty of a
lathe a few years back.  

Dave has one of the most spectacular John Deere 1?-h.p. engines, anywhere.
When he restored it he knew it was common as dirt; so, to make it uncommon
he put a finish on it that will rival anything you'll ever see in a car
show.  Dave never does anything less than first class.  

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R
Bryant
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:23 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto

Does anyone know Dave Otto from Boise, Idaho who used to be on the SEL
in the early 90''s and if he is still active in engines.?

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where the bears have gone to sleep
for the winter).



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From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Mon Jan  2 20:08:08 2006
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:08:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2006
In-Reply-To: <002d01c60e14$80b777c0$9b316854@Sixmjohn>
References: <002d01c60e14$80b777c0$9b316854@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <43B9F8A8.8030504@zoominternet.net>

Ria,

We have never met, as I only knew John through his postings.  I believe 
I speak for the hundreds of other SEL members when I say, if you or your 
family needs anything whatsoever, feel free to post it and we will make 
every attempt to help you. 

Ed

John Hammink wrote:

>Thanks for all the mails and cards of sympathy you send us
>after John's death.
>
>I wish you all a happy and healthy New Year.
>
>Ria Hammink
>
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>
>
>  
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 21:22:05 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:22:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <43B9E4E8.9050009@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <200601030522.k035MFBW087865@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Duncan, you lucky guy.  I'd dearly love to get my hands on a CA, but in
these rolling Palouse hills wheel tractors were almost unheard of until the
big Steigers and their clones came on the scene.  

For the life of me, I don't know how my C ever found its way out here.  But,
I'm not complaining.  :-)  

I have to agree with you.  The CA is a mighty nice tractor.  A friend of
mine restored one and let me drive it in a parade.  He almost had to pry me
off it, afterwards.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Denman
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:44 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up

Hey Orrin,
I got a CA here. One of the nicest tractors I have ever had.

Duncan

Orrin Iseminger wrote:

>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke? 
>
>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>on the farm.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.   




From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Jan  2 21:35:43 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:35:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Dave Otto
In-Reply-To: <008101c61019$e25bc650$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <200601030536.k035Zqf2022433@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Yes, Dave, I'm almost done with a Heinrici, needing only to add some
pinstriping and make a suitable base for it.  Now that the holidays are
behind us, I hope to wrap it up and get started on another.  My summer's
projects are the last three on this page:

http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/PnE_Menu.htm

I'm still piddling with the fourth one on the list, having made several
modifications, recently.  

It's good to hear from you, Dave.  Here's hoping we'll make it to Cambridge,
this year.  

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Otto
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:58 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Dave Otto

Hi Charlie

Yes I'm still on the list and still playing with engines and models. I
pretty much stay in lurk mode but read most all of the postings. I keep
telling my self that I need to be more active on the list but never seem to
get it done. 
I have met some great and helpful people over the years from the SEL list.

Orrin is too kind with his complements, but he is correct about the full
time job, family and shop work that keep me pretty busy. 

Good to hear from you guys.

Dave 

P.S. Orrin I have herd rumblings about a newly finished model??

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net





From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Tue Jan  3 02:03:07 2006
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:03:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4hp Austral Valve Cage
Message-ID: <30231044.1136282587631.JavaMail.root@web04ps>

Hi guys,
           does anyone know or have a 4hp Austral Valve Cage for sale? it is badly needed to complete a restoration.

Many thanks and kind regads,
                                          Adam


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 04:06:36 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:06:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F42963157C4251C8D0522EC82C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Orrin,

It is a 1940 Allis B. Has a hand crank only, no starter. I mainly use it to 
plow our 450 foot driveway in the winter time. It's a great tractor except 
for the funky blue boat seat on it. I picked up the bottom portion of a 
bench seat this year at Portland. I just need to find the back rest portion 
of the seat for a reasonable price. Here are a couple better pictures of it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/tractor.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===============

>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>
>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke?
>
>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>on the farm.
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects.  So little time.
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 06:04:29 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:04:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <410-2200611216750281@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9082D83DEA74B0BD78753BB2C0@phx.gbl>

Appreciate the info Tim!  Now I just need to find the info that's under the 
brazing/welding. Looks to be a "Patent Applied for Date" or fascimile.

later
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> There were 2 different mixers for the 4 1/2 hp that I know of.  Some of
> them bolted on to the lower crank case block and the other style was held
> in place by the intake tube and gas line.  My only guess to this was a
> design change due to the latter not being sucure enough.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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> 


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Tue Jan  3 09:15:07 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:15:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F42963157C4251C8D0522EC82C0@phx.gbl>
References: <200601030010.k030A6Su060761@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060103091235.01c2b770@mail.pennswoods.net>

Luke being that is was yellow it is not an industrial by chance. It looks 
good now.Do you really get snow in Michigan i thought it was like Florida 
up there.

R Fink
PA





At 12:06 PM 1/3/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Orrin,
>
>It is a 1940 Allis B. Has a hand crank only, no starter. I mainly use it 
>to plow our 450 foot driveway in the winter time. It's a great tractor 
>except for the funky blue boat seat on it. I picked up the bottom portion 
>of a bench seat this year at Portland. I just need to find the back rest 
>portion of the seat for a reasonable price. Here are a couple better 
>pictures of it:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/tractor.html
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>===============
>
>>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>>
>>Is that a B or a C Allis I see in the background, Luke?
>>
>>I have a C.  I got it as a reminder of the first tractor I ever drove back
>>on the farm.
>>
>>Orrin
>>
>>Orrin Iseminger
>>Colton, Washington, USA
>>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>>So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 06:54:10 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:54:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060103091235.01c2b770@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F10B9FB9214EF9EC924F267C82C0@phx.gbl>

It's orange not yellow. Maybe the color is a little off in the pictures. 
There is no snow to speak of right now. It's supposed to be on its way in 
the next couple days.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>
>Luke being that is was yellow it is not an industrial by chance. It looks 
>good now.Do you really get snow in Michigan i thought it was like Florida 
>up there.
>
>R Fink
>PA
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Jan  3 08:45:19 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:45:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F42963157C4251C8D0522EC82C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200601031645.k03GjO0W021892@mail-gw.fsr.net>

That's a neat looking plowing rig, Luke.  It must save a whole lot of wear
and tear on your snow shovel, to say nothing about your back.  :-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:07 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: RE: [SEL] Pictures of New Years Crank Up

Hi Orrin,

It is a 1940 Allis B. Has a hand crank only, no starter. I mainly use it to 
plow our 450 foot driveway in the winter time. It's a great tractor except 
for the funky blue boat seat on it. I picked up the bottom portion of a 
bench seat this year at Portland. I just need to find the back rest portion 
of the seat for a reasonable price. Here are a couple better pictures of it:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/tractor.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA





From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Jan  3 09:34:26 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:34:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <002001c61077$53491950$6401a8c0@yourkybtg65gxe>
Message-ID: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy New Year...

My 2006 Year started out great.  We had a small get together in Sandwich
IL with several other engine friends on Jan 1.  We had 3 model engines and
my project (along with the other engines in the my friends new shop).  

The project was a 3hp Independent Harvester Pull Rod Engine.  I purchased
the stuck engine at an auction several years ago and it sat in the back of
my garage for the past few years.  I would spray stuck parts on it from
time to time.  This time, I decided to load it into the back of the truck
and take it out to the get together...  after 2 hours, we got the head off
and 10 minutes later, the piston was out.  More time was spent getting the
other stuck parts loose.  

It was a fun day it sounds like it might be a monthly thing to do during
the winter now... Bring a project and have fun.  I didn't run any of my
engines, but this was just as enjoyable.

Pictures (and a few other gems shown)at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm

Oh Yeah, there are a few other pics on the page that I took that night as
I had to assist another collector with a computer problem...

Steve


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 09:58:26 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:58:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F25A6A8435F4E3619149F35C82C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Steve,

Did you look up that patent number on the USPTO website from the Howe Engine 
tag? Some good drawings on the patent that show the engine.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>
>Pictures (and a few other gems shown)at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
>           http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
>                       stevebarr at ameritech.net
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan  3 09:41:35 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:41:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

WOW, there was some really nice iron at that little get together.
That 4 hp Foos is downright gorgeous.

That "Mystery Engine Tag" for the Howe Engine from Middletown, Ohio
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006NewYearDay/30.jpg
is really interesting.  Take a look at that 10-page patent (#658,594
issued September 25, 1900).  It's a REALLY neat sideshaft engine.
I took a look in the GEM index and didn't run across any references to a
Howe engine.  Has anyone else seen or heard of one?  It has a pretty
unique and interesting configuration (based on the patent drawings).

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Congrats on getting your Independent Harvester unstuck.  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Steve Barr wrote:

> My 2006 Year started out great.  We had a small get together in Sandwich
> IL with several other engine friends on Jan 1.  We had 3 model engines and
> my project (along with the other engines in the my friends new shop).



From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 10:23:49 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:23:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F11C55A53B66982F2DE247FE72C0@phx.gbl>

Well folks "IT RUNS"!!

Bill didn't start any fly engines for New Years, however he did start his 
1946 GMC "project" pickup truck after it sat "dormant" for 31 years.  Then 
yesterday he actually had it moving under it's own power for a "short" run 
down the drive way.

Of course this is after 1 year of intensive labor and infusion of $6,000+.

Happy New Year to all.

Peg Pfeiffer




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan  3 10:52:44 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:52:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] mystery tag
Message-ID: <268.3775795.30ec21fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
stevebarr at ameritech.net writes:

<< http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm >>

Steve,

Enter the mystery tag patent number at the patent office.  There are 10 pages 
of drawings and specifications of the engine and how each part interacts with 
the other.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 11:05:42 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:05:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity aution payment
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3357F11959216E87048B32C72C0@phx.gbl>

I sold a calendar on the ATIS Charity Auction.  Where should the buyer send 
the payment?




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Jan  3 13:22:39 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Witte help
Message-ID: <43BAEB1F.9010200@insulate.co.uk>

Ho Folks

I just had this email from a fellow Brit ... if anyone can help him, 
please "Reply All" as I've copied him on this.  He's not on the List, 
but I did give him instructions for joining.

Thanks!
Dolly

******************************
My name is Michael Brown from England. 
 
I have a Witte 5hp engine dating about 1923 and I wonder if you could 
let me know what alternative spark plug I can use instead of "autolite" 
and where I might be able to purchase this from.
 
**********************************

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Jan  3 13:35:41 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:35:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200601032136.k03LZq8V007086@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Thank you for showing us some great pictures, Steve.  That 4 h.p. Foos is a
beauty and your pictures do it justice.  Good job!

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Barr
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:34 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] My New Years Day

Happy New Year...

My 2006 Year started out great.  We had a small get together in Sandwich
IL with several other engine friends on Jan 1.  We had 3 model engines and
my project (along with the other engines in the my friends new shop).  

The project was a 3hp Independent Harvester Pull Rod Engine.  I purchased
the stuck engine at an auction several years ago and it sat in the back of
my garage for the past few years.  I would spray stuck parts on it from
time to time.  This time, I decided to load it into the back of the truck
and take it out to the get together...  after 2 hours, we got the head off
and 10 minutes later, the piston was out.  More time was spent getting the
other stuck parts loose.  

It was a fun day it sounds like it might be a monthly thing to do during
the winter now... Bring a project and have fun.  I didn't run any of my
engines, but this was just as enjoyable.

Pictures (and a few other gems shown)at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006NewYears.htm

Oh Yeah, there are a few other pics on the page that I took that night as
I had to assist another collector with a computer problem...

Steve


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 14:21:57 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2159FEAB8CA5A88F358133BB2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F13AFF7F7324B2BB4BB397A952C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick, Mine is a 3-1/2 hp! Steve


>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
>Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:15:34 -0700
>
>For Steve Royster...Steve, was your picture of the mixer off a 4 1/2 hp.?
>It doesn't match up with the one that I have for a pattern:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/474997344jgkWft
>
>and here's the one I have... also for Rick Rowlands:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/532058600yVrGCF  and hit next
>few a few more.
>
>For Rick Rowlands...I've sent you an email with no reply Rick.  Would you
>contact me off list please?
>
>
>Chester, I need to make some intake tube measurements to make sure that 
>what
>I got, is what I want.
>
>later,
>RickinMt.
>Richard _Strobel7 at msn.com    remove the space.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
>
>
> > Rick, the new way mixer i have copied for my 4.5hp is different to the
> > 3.5hp
> > mixers you have shown, i dont know if all the 4.5hp ones are different,
> > but
> > hopefully someone can tell us, thanks to your photos i have finished my
> > fan
> > & shaft, cheers for now
> > Chester from West Aussie.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
> >
> >
> > > Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more
> > > pictures
> > of
> > > the mounting bracket.
> > >
> > >   Question please to all the New Way owners:
> > >
> > >  Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm
> > > going
> > to
> > > call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the
> > > side?
> > > Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of
> > > the
> > > mixer?
> > >
> > >   I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned
> > > straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the 
>air
> > > rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low 
>pressure
> > > area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create 
>the
> > > "venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> > >
> > > Well enuf fer now.
> > > Thanks
> > > RickinMt.
> > > PS:  Are there any decals available?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > >
> > > >  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that
> > shows
> > > > the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior 
>of
> > the
> > > > part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> > > > passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which 
>I
> > > > could
> > > > possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Rowlands
> > > > Tod Engine Works
> > > > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> > > > and nonferrous castings
> > > > 2261 Hubbard Road
> > > > Youngstown, OH  44505
> > > > 330-728-2799
> > > > Fax 330-759-1524
> > > > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jan  3 15:17:13 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:17:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20060103173426.60563.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601031230080.38346@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43BB05F9.4080103@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
    Yup, you've even seen one.  Its a Miami engine.  I had mine at 
Portland this year.  Look at this (poor quality) photo of my Miami 
engine tag and you'll notice the same patent number and date:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>That "Mystery Engine Tag" for the Howe Engine from Middletown, Ohio
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006NewYearDay/30.jpg
>is really interesting.  Take a look at that 10-page patent (#658,594
>issued September 25, 1900).  It's a REALLY neat sideshaft engine.
>I took a look in the GEM index and didn't run across any references to a
>Howe engine.  Has anyone else seen or heard of one?  It has a pretty
>unique and interesting configuration (based on the patent drawings).
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>  
>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Jan  3 15:51:50 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:51:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] From foreign lands
Message-ID: <005901c610c0$ab7e3c60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi 

My son has just spent 6 months in Iraq with Army and in his patrols managed a couple of photos to share.  They are not of good quality as you can imagine.  But can anybody identify photo 411a and 631a.  If you copy them on to Paintshop or similar they blow up better.  I think they are a Petter but not sure.  They are at 

http://community.webshots.com/album/535946814iWIWbl

Regards

Ron

From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan  3 17:10:07 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:10:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From foreign lands
In-Reply-To: <005901c610c0$ab7e3c60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <005901c610c0$ab7e3c60$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <aefe199b17ba422eb09522eade6e31ed@chartertn.net>

Sure looks like a Petter to me.

John

On Jan 3, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Ron Page wrote:

> Hi
>
> My son has just spent 6 months in Iraq with Army and in his patrols 
> managed a couple of photos to share.  They are not of good quality as 
> you can imagine.  But can anybody identify photo 411a and 631a.  If 
> you copy them on to Paintshop or similar they blow up better.  I think 
> they are a Petter but not sure.  They are at


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 17:18:09 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:18:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY108-F13AFF7F7324B2BB4BB397A952C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV774DF9FCD1C985243B03FBB2F0@phx.gbl>

Ok Thanks much Steve.  That clears up a bunch.
Rick




> Hi Rick, Mine is a 3-1/2 hp! Steve


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:20:04 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:20:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: My New Years Day
In-Reply-To: <43BB05F9.4080103@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F407A51618D4A2D1B073478C82F0@phx.gbl>

Here's a better picture of Tommy's tag.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port05/port57.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

================================

>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>Arnie,
>    Yup, you've even seen one.  Its a Miami engine.  I had mine at Portland 
>this year.  Look at this (poor quality) photo of my Miami engine tag and 
>you'll notice the same patent number and date:
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30047007&p=69083043
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Jan  4 14:36:22 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:36:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: otto
References: <005201c60fd6$a78b9ac0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <008b01c6117f$4ae0c0c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Thanks guys for helping me get in contact with Dave. Its been at least
10 years since we last communicated.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: otto


> He is still playing.
> 
> Otto, Dave
> E-mail Address(es):
>   ddotto at qwest.net
> Personal Information:
>   Address:
>     3881N Lena Ave
> 
>     Boise Idaho 83713
>     usa
> 
> 
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/05
> 
> 


From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 17:27:30 2006
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:27:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: From foreign lands
Message-ID: <20060105012730.3166.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com>

I have an Indian G-G Automotive Gears manufactured "caste iron" clone
of the Petter 24-2 diesel engine and from looking at photo 411a, the
front of that engine appears to be the same as mine. The pictured
engine seems to be the 12-1 single cylinder twelve horsepower diesel.

Work and play safely!

Richard Allen


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jan  4 18:30:33 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: otto
References: <005201c60fd6$a78b9ac0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<008b01c6117f$4ae0c0c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <003401c611a4$af3c2120$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey, aint that wot the list is all about?  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Re: otto


> Thanks guys for helping me get in contact with Dave. Its been at least
> 10 years since we last communicated.




From rstreet at attglobal.net  Wed Jan  4 20:07:44 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:07:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patents
Message-ID: <20060105040747.7ABE130333B@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Several folks have asked questions about patents so I thought a little
lesson in U.S. patents might be helpful to some.

 

1)       Go to the Patent Office site and read the page on viewing patent
images. http://www.uspto.gov/patft/help/images.htm

2)       You will need to download a special viewer program for your
browser, because older patent information is only in image form (not text).

3)       You can do a patent number search by going to
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm and entering the number,

4)       Or use this link format:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=    and simply type
the patent number at the end. For example to view #738992, you would have
the link read http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=738992 

5)        Once the viewer is installed, on the landing page simply click on
"images" to view the patent.

 

If you are handy with Excel enter a bunch of patent numbers in one column
and then in the next column paste special>text
"http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=" with NO quotes.

If you move to the next line and this turns to a hyperlink simply use the
edit>undo command to remove the hyperlink. Copy this cell down in the column
for all the patent numbers on your list. In the next column use the
concatenate formula to join the cells. I.E. = A2&""&B2 . Copy this down the
column. Highlight all of that column then hit copy and then paste special
and check values. You can then activate the hyper links by pressing enter
for each cell. You now have a spreadsheet that you can build a database of
patents on and have it hyperlinked to the actual patent documents.

 

Rich Street

Gig Harbor, WA

http://www.rstreet.us/modela/

 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Jan  5 02:45:15 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:45:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stover piston needed
Message-ID: <010520061045.29136.43BCF8BB000C98DA000071D021979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
Looking for a piston & connecting rod for a Stover CT2, 2 1/2hp.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From rstreet at attglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 09:18:10 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:18:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
Message-ID: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>

I am looking for any photos or information on Albert Champion Company
ignition items or company information (1905-1909). Ads, spark plugs,
magnetos, photos, literature, history, etc. Any and all information
appreciated. Digital copies preferred.

I will purchase if you wish to sell, or credit you as source for photos
and/or information. I am trying to gather more information for an article I
am writing.

Thanks,

Rich Street

Gig Harbor, WA

Email: rstreet at attglobal.net

 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan  5 09:40:16 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:40:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
References: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601051236090.19283@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rich,

You should contact...
   Spark Plug Collectors of America
   4262 Country Rd. 121
   Fulton, MO 65251-3836

Maybe even join; the annual membership is $15.00 which includes
the "IGNITER" newsletter four times a year.

Good luck with your information quest.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero-ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Rich Street wrote:

> I am looking for any photos or information on Albert Champion Company
> ignition items or company information (1905-1909). Ads, spark plugs,
> magnetos, photos, literature, history, etc. Any and all information
> appreciated. Digital copies preferred.
>
> I will purchase if you wish to sell, or credit you as source for photos
> and/or information. I am trying to gather more information for an article I
> am writing.
>
> Thanks, Rich Street
> Gig Harbor, WA
> Email: rstreet at attglobal.net



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan  5 10:11:40 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:11:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
References: <000f01c6121c$0540b9b0$4500a8c0@rstreet>
Message-ID: <1624.165.206.180.19.1136484700.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

You mean the bicycle person who came over from France, started making and
selling spark plugs, formed the company, had a falling out with investors
who ended up with the company, then went on to found AC, correct? (AC
meaning Albert Champion)

Somewhere I've got a ton of info if it wasn't lost in a computer crash -
photos, articles, and even some stuff I wrote up back in the 90's when I
was doing a history on spark plugs.


Bill


> I am looking for any photos or information on Albert Champion Company
> ignition items or company information (1905-1909). Ads, spark plugs,
> magnetos, photos, literature, history, etc. Any and all information
> appreciated. Digital copies preferred.
>
> I will purchase if you wish to sell, or credit you as source for photos
> and/or information. I am trying to gather more information for an article
> I
> am writing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Street
>
> Gig Harbor, WA
>
> Email: rstreet at attglobal.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rstreet at attglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 10:18:09 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:18:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601051236090.19283@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c61224$65a51c80$4500a8c0@rstreet>

Arnie,
Thanks for Spark Plug Collectors suggestion. I am already a member and the
article I am gathering information for is for the Igniter. The folks at
SPCOA don't have discussion lists like this so I was hoping for a little
cross-fertilization ;-)
Rich Street
Gig Harbor, WA
Email: rstreet at attglobal.net




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan  5 12:13:33 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Bryant & Rick Monk
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601051508320.19283@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Does anyone have a current email address for Charlie & Rick?

Please reply off-list.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 12:32:20 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:32:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
Message-ID: <43BD8254.2040709@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg

Now I know I won't forget to include the link. What model is it, and 
what's it worth. Has compression, but no spark. I'm trying to help a 
local guy. Original message below. Thanks,

Jeff

>I have a friend trying to sell a stationary engine.  It was apparently buried under grain for some time.... it has compression (90 lbs he says), but no spark.
>
>Any idea what something like this is worth?  He got it for doing some work, and now wants to sell it for the cash.  I'd sure like to see him get a decent price for it.. and it go to someone who will enjoy it.
>

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Jan  5 13:06:17 2006
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:06:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
In-Reply-To: <43BD8254.2040709@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200601051506439.SM00716@wrbpc>

Looks like a pretty nice 1.5 hp model E.  A very common engine, but there's
good demand for it.

Based upon recent eBay sales of the same model, I'd put it in the $500 -
$750 range.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:32 PM
To: Oldengine list
Cc: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions

Hi all,

http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg

Now I know I won't forget to include the link. What model is it, and what's
it worth. Has compression, but no spark. I'm trying to help a local guy.
Original message below. Thanks,

Jeff

>I have a friend trying to sell a stationary engine.  It was apparently
buried under grain for some time.... it has compression (90 lbs he says),
but no spark.
>
>Any idea what something like this is worth?  He got it for doing some work,
and now wants to sell it for the cash.  I'd sure like to see him get a
decent price for it.. and it go to someone who will enjoy it.
>

--
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/


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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan  5 15:38:14 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:38:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
Message-ID: <20060105.153815.1572.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jeff.  It looks more like a 3hp.  Around here it would bring $900- $
1,000.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:32:20 -0700 Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg
> 
> Now I know I won't forget to include the link. What model is it, and 
> 
> what's it worth. Has compression, but no spark. I'm trying to help a 
> 
> local guy. Original message below. Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> >I have a friend trying to sell a stationary engine.  It was 
> apparently buried under grain for some time.... it has compression 
> (90 lbs he says), but no spark.
> >
> >Any idea what something like this is worth?  He got it for doing 
> some work, and now wants to sell it for the cash.  I'd sure like to 
> see him get a decent price for it.. and it go to someone who will 
> enjoy it.


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 16:08:05 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:08:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Looking for rustyiron4u
Message-ID: <009b01c61255$4525e7b0$230110ac@PAUL>

Looking for the name of the man whose E-bay name is rustyiron4u. He has an 
item on e-bay that I need for one of my engines and I have sent him (3) 
e-mails via the E-bay message board but have not heard back from him, I was 
going to try and contact him directly.

Thanks

Paul




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan  5 17:45:46 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:45:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] The Gane Milking Machine Company
Message-ID: <20060106014539.ITYV15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Anyone in Oz no anything about "The Gane Milking Machine Company"? 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan  5 18:49:12 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:49:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RE: The Gane Milking Machine Company
In-Reply-To: <43BDD74F.CB07B0C8@xtra.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20060106024905.EPLM1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Thanks, I will look into that lead. 
In 1911 they had an agency in Sussex St. Sydney and took delivery of 5
Crossley engines. This is a bit of a mystery as it seems to be the only
instance of Crossleys not going through the usual agents.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


I thought it was a New Zealand company.

Started by George Gane & Harry Jenkins.

Tom





From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Jan  5 20:15:01 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:15:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>

Geez its been four days and I'm still winning the Maytag Killer Portrait!  I 
have a place picked out to hang this portrait with honor here in the office. 
Now don't anyone else bid on it!!! :-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 21:39:26 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:39:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer
In-Reply-To: <009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
	<009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <43BE028E.30201@earthlink.net>

Second thought on your bid or worries? Snipers are in wait for end of 
auction. Beware!! They lurk, then they bid.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Geez its been four days and I'm still winning the Maytag Killer 
> Portrait!  I have a place picked out to hang this portrait with honor 
> here in the office. Now don't anyone else bid on it!!! :-)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1 
>
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From rstreet at attglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 22:19:10 2006
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:19:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Albert Champion Co.
Message-ID: <20060106061914.95EB330332D@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Bill,

Yes, the very same Albert Champion. I am working on a series of articles on
the whole gang that started at 541 Tremont Street in Boston. 

I suppose I am not the first one that has been disillusioned by the drivel
that the corporate marketing wonks from Champion and AC put out as
"history." 

Meeting new folks and sharing information has been the best part of the
project.

I'd love to see what you have.

 

Rich Street

Gig Harbor, WA

Email: rstreet at attglobal.net



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Jan  6 04:02:29 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:02:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer
References: <BAY103-F130932E57FCAF1BF874FE8C82D0@phx.gbl>
	<009301c61277$c3dd8280$0b151941@pengy>
	<43BE028E.30201@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001901c612b9$1158f490$0b151941@pengy>

 No second thoughts here.  Its a charity auction and just trying to convinve 
the list members to be a bit more charitable.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dave the Maytag Killer


> Second thought on your bid or worries? Snipers are in wait for end of 
> auction. Beware!! They lurk, then they bid.
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Rick Rowlands wrote:
>
>> Geez its been four days and I'm still winning the Maytag Killer Portrait! 
>> I have a place picked out to hang this portrait with honor here in the 
>> office. Now don't anyone else bid on it!!! :-)
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-728-2799
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
>> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan  6 04:16:31 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:16:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] JD Engine questions
Message-ID: <270.3b203a2.30efb99f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/5/2006 3:40:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
transteck at earthlink.net writes:

<< http://www.frapa.us/JD.jpg >>


Jeff,

On the East coast there seems to be a bad case of "JD green syndrome" and 
they typically bring a higher price well over $1000.  I have heard that in the 
West prices are much lower.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan  6 08:11:06 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:11:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Those of you that belong to Tri-State received a note that they're working
on a cookbook to be sold at Portland this year as a fund raiser.

Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes more than playing with
engines is eating, how about picking out your favorite recipe or two and
offering it for inclusion in the cookbook?

Send those recipies to Helen Rouch at grmpookie at yahoo.com .

I already sent her my "Possibly 'Possum Road Kill Chili" recipe.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From bhaynes at prexar.com  Fri Jan  6 13:31:54 2006
From: bhaynes at prexar.com (Blaine Haynes)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:31:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] engine date request
Message-ID: <000901c61308$9efec280$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>

I need to date an engine, an Associated air cooled 1 3/4 HP ser. # 37145.
Thanks!


Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan  6 16:30:37 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:30:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c61321$981e02f0$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <grmpookie at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser


> Hi Folks,
> Those of you that belong to Tri-State received a note that they're working
> on a cookbook to be sold at Portland this year as a fund raiser.
> Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes more than playing with
> engines is eating, how about picking out your favorite recipe or two and
> offering it for inclusion in the cookbook?
> Send those recipies to Helen Rouch at grmpookie at yahoo.com .
> I already sent her my "Possibly 'Possum Road Kill Chili" recipe.
> Thanks!!
> See ya,  Arnie

If you wish to see what can be done see
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm
This was done for the ATIS charity auction by Dolly a few years ago.
I am not saying use these recipes but it gives a good idea about what makes a superb book.
PS ISTR that a certain Atomic Engineer won the Original copy. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  6 17:46:33 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:46:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6132c$31e11080$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes 
> more than playing with engines is eating,


Dude, I knew you were OLD, but damn!

The Tri-State folks COULD make up a book of what REAL
enginefolks like to do more than playing with engines, but
I've seen most of the Tri-State members, and let me assure
you, NO ONE would want to buy THAT book.  

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 









From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan  6 18:53:30 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri,  6 Jan 2006 21:53:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <000c01c61321$981e02f0$064d1152@no1>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<000c01c61321$981e02f0$064d1152@no1>
Message-ID: <1136602410.43bf2d2a09cb8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

Thanks for posting that.  I just re-read the section on Brats.  Funniest damn
stuff ever!!  Bruce is SUCH a vivid writer!  Poor Harley.  Poor Duckums.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>:

> If you wish to see what can be done see
> http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm
> This was done for the ATIS charity auction by Dolly a few years ago.
> I am not saying use these recipes but it gives a good idea about what makes a
> superb book.
> PS ISTR that a certain Atomic Engineer won the Original copy. 8^)
> Dave Croft




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan  7 02:43:49 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:43:49 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The SEL List
         A number of my posts to this list have bounced lately - could 
anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?
This is the message I got back from the last one (I hope this one does not 
bounce).
(I've done a bit of snipping)

<START>
Subject: Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
To: jerrye at databak.co.za
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:13:00 -0500
X-BeenThere: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
List-Id: The SEL email discussion list <sel.lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com

Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject    Re: Ronnie N (Aussies please read)

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:    Message has implicit destination

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:<snipped>
<END>

         Most of those failed posts have not appeared on SEL (I get the 
Digest version) and I also have not received "notification of the 
moderator's decision" either.

         I also do not fully understand the message "Message has implicit 
destination".
         The dictionary defines implicit as "implied though not directly 
expressed " but I'm just too stupid to understand why this is bouncing my mail.

         Could it have to do with the fact that I mail to 2 lists and have 
the "Oldengine list" as the TO:
and SEL under BCC.   I have been doing this for some time and not had a 
problem with it.

Has anyone else had similar problems


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Jan  7 03:59:19 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:59:19 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <014201c61381$caab2300$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Jerry

Some stuff about mailing lists and implicit destinations I found on the net:

"The message does not have the list address in either the To: or Cc: 
headers.  This is often a sign of spam or other stuff that should not 
be going to the list."

"Implicit Address:

Most mailing lists are set up to only allow postings that are sent directly
to the list. For example, say you frequently send the same messages to
several mailing lists and have decided to create a mailing list containing
all those list addresses to save time. If any of those lists insist on
"explicit destination" your mail will be rejected (even if you're an
authorized poster), however, if you resend the message using exact addresses
listed individually, it will be accepted."

Hope this helps.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry Evans
> Sent: 07 January 2006 10:44
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
> 
> Hi The SEL List
>          A number of my posts to this list have bounced 
> lately - could 
> anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?
> This is the message I got back from the last one (I hope this 
> one does not 
> bounce).
> (I've done a bit of snipping)
<snipped>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan  7 06:35:09 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Jan 2006 09:35:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107115853.029180e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1136644509.43bfd19dab0ea@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

The only time I've had trouble with a post to the list was when it was too
large.  Spencer screens on file size to prevent attachements from being posted.
 This is mainly to block nasty code that could cause computer damage.

If a thread grows and no one bothers to snip out the dross, at some point it
will grow large enough to go into Spencer's bit bucket as "suspicious." 
Spencer has a lot on his plate, so he may be a while getting to it.  And he may
just dump it as it's a large file because folks simply aren't doing THEIR job
and snipping.

Sometimes you may want to post a VERY long show report or lengthy description of
some engine work.  It may need to be split into several parts to be of a size
that doesn't get screened.

Try doing just a small test email to the list to see if you still have troubles.
 Obviously, this post made it, so it's probably size related.

AND if EVERYONE would be a little more considerate and SNIP!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:

>          A number of my posts to this list have bounced lately - could 
> anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?
> This is the message I got back from the last one (I hope this one does not 
> bounce).
> (I've done a bit of snipping)
> 
> <START>
> Subject: Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> To: jerrye at databak.co.za
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:13:00 -0500
> X-BeenThere: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> List-Id: The SEL email discussion list <sel.lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> 
> Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject    Re: Ronnie N (Aussies please read)
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jan  7 06:43:52 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:43:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules kero engines
Message-ID: <002101c61398$c90bfa80$54f8123f@oemcomputer>

Curt and others,

You asked about the fuel fill on the 5 HP Hercules Kerosene engine.  The
fuel fill was located on the off side of the engine on all models and sizes
except the S & SK and the 6 and 8 HP XK & XI.  There were a few Jaegers
prior to the S model that had the hole for the off side fuel fill, but had a
bored hole in the base to switch the fuel fill to the ignition side.

Hope this clears it up or muddies it up worse.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan  7 11:15:07 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:15:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
Message-ID: <43C0133B.7050607@scrtc.com>

There was some discussion on engine tags a few days ago (the Miami/Howe 
tag).  This just arrived today.  I have a Weber engine that had been 
sent back to the factory for some work in the teens.  It came back with 
a different tag (etched rather than cast brass) and with an additional 
set of numbers (supposedly repair work numbers).  I borrowed a friend's 
tag and had it recast as I wanted to put the proper tag on it (much 
prettier one too!).  I think they did a super job.  Here is the link for 
the "new" tag and the current tag that's one the engine is below it:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31451232&p=73519180

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31451232&p=69805362

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan  7 12:09:41 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:09:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
Message-ID: <20060107.120941.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I am working on a 7 hp Economy, I have a replacement serial no. tag and
would like to stamp it to look somewhat like original.  Does anyone have
the skill to make it look like the original script?  Or could someone
post a large image of an original tag, or better yet does anyone have an
original tag in the 123xxx number range that they would be willing to
part with?  Thanks

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan  7 12:27:20 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:27:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Error posting to the SEL List
In-Reply-To: <200601071700.k07H03T7020073@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107221611.02703920@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> >          A number of my posts to this list have bounced lately - could
> > anyone explain why - what am I doing wrong?



>Hi Jerry
>
>Some stuff about mailing lists and implicit destinations I found on the net:
>
>"The message does not have the list address in either the To: or Cc:
>headers.  This is often a sign of spam or other stuff that should not
>be going to the list."
>
>"Implicit Address:
>
>Most mailing lists are set up to only allow postings that are sent directly
>to the list. For example, say you frequently send the same messages to
>several mailing lists and have decided to create a mailing list containing
>all those list addresses to save time. If any of those lists insist on
>"explicit destination" your mail will be rejected (even if you're an
>authorized poster), however, if you resend the message using exact addresses
>listed individually, it will be accepted."
>
>Hope this helps.
>Regards
>      Pete
>Hi Arnie, Reg and Pete,

         Thanks for the replies - I think Pete has got it - I had the SEL 
address in the BCC field.

         Pete I have had mail rejected in the past when I have put both 
addresses in the TO: field which is why I had resorted to using the BCC: 
field for one address. If I put the one address in the CC Field would I 
have the same problem?

         Arnie thanks also but my post was very small - you probably saw 
the same post on the oldengine list - I was asking for list members to log 
on to a page on my site and give me some sizes for a Ronnie N muffler,



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan  7 13:27:04 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:27:04 +0200
Subject: [SEL] OT but useful utility
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107231433.02709178@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List,
         A friend in the States is building up a Bernard engine and I 
scanned some manual pages for him.
         He wrote back and asked how to convert the torque from m.kg to 
ft/lbs and it reminded me of a small free programme I have on my computer 
called "convert.exe".

         I thought I would just share it with you guys as it really is a 
very useful prog and will convert just about any measurement to a different 
standard (and has a "torque" tab as well-which probably makes it "On 
topic"). It is only 156 Kbytes and does not need to be "installed" on 
windows - just unzip it to your Desktop (or wherever) and double click it 
and away you go.

         You can read about it and download it here:
<http://joshmadison.net/software/convert/>
         If you know how to use zip files then just go for the zip and not 
the installation file.

         Let me know what you think of it



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Sat Jan  7 13:44:38 2006
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:44:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] engine date request
References: <000901c61308$9efec280$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A567@email03.bsu.edu>

Blaine,
 
Keith Smigle has a wealth of info on Associated engines posted on his website including a SN List, the SN List is at 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/smigle/associatedpage03.htm
 
If I am reading his SN List correctly, then your engine is a 1924.
 
Regards,

Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN USA 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Blaine Haynes
Sent: Fri 1/6/2006 4:31 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] engine date request



I need to date an engine, an Associated air cooled 1 3/4 HP ser. # 37145.
Thanks!


Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 15:27:41 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:27:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Cookbook Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601061105400.29677@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060107232741.47009.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

To Arnie and/or any other helpful soul of the group....
  
  Would Arnie or someone drop a line and some H-'n-M engine pictures to a  nice fellow that came into my orbit (tractor questions).  He is  mystified as to what a stationary engine is, etc. Some photos and a bit  of explanation (beyond that which I was able to supply) would be  useful.  He would like to learn and he seems like a fellow of the  first order.
  
  His email is chrisbuyer at yahoo.com
  
  Thanks in advance for your assistance.  Hope all is well.
  
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Folks,

Those of you that belong to Tri-State received a note that they're working
on a cookbook to be sold at Portland this year as a fund raiser.

Since the only thing an engine man (or woman) likes more than playing with
engines is eating, how about picking out your favorite recipe or two and
offering it for inclusion in the cookbook?

Send those recipies to Helen Rouch at grmpookie at yahoo.com .

I already sent her my "Possibly 'Possum Road Kill Chili" recipe.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 17:09:32 2006
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:09:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Caille pictures and a few other of Chuck's engines
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107231433.02709178@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000001c613f0$32f0f9d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Well, let's try this.  Cant seem to send a post to the list directly, so
I'll try replying to another email.  

Here is a link to some photo's of my Caille at the beginning of the
restoration stage.  Also in the link are pictures of a few of my other
engines.

I did get the Caille started for New Year's!  However, didn't have a
good battery pack for the digital camera.  Once I get that, I'll put up
some of the restored engine.

Chuck

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/clemswel/album?.dir=/e284&.src=ph&.tok=phS
alNEBstgpmKQj


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:27 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT but useful utility

Hi List,
         A friend in the States is building up a Bernard engine and I 
scanned some manual pages for him.
         He wrote back and asked how to convert the torque from m.kg to 
ft/lbs and it reminded me of a small free programme I have on my
computer 
called "convert.exe".

         I thought I would just share it with you guys as it really is a

very useful prog and will convert just about any measurement to a
different 
standard (and has a "torque" tab as well-which probably makes it "On 
topic"). It is only 156 Kbytes and does not need to be "installed" on 
windows - just unzip it to your Desktop (or wherever) and double click
it 
and away you go.

         You can read about it and download it here:
<http://joshmadison.net/software/convert/>
         If you know how to use zip files then just go for the zip and
not 
the installation file.

         Let me know what you think of it



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 17:45:52 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:45:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Caille pictures and a few other of Chuck's engines
In-Reply-To: <000001c613f0$32f0f9d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <20060108014552.75692.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

CE-
  Very nice.  Would you forward these images to  chrisbuyer at yahoo.com?  He is a new fan who does not understand  what SEL's look like.
  Thanks.
  JM

chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net> wrote:  Well, let's try this.  Cant seem to send a post to the list directly, so
I'll try replying to another email.  

Here is a link to some photo's of my Caille at the beginning of the
restoration stage.  Also in the link are pictures of a few of my other
engines.

I did get the Caille started for New Year's!  However, didn't have a
good battery pack for the digital camera.  Once I get that, I'll put up
some of the restored engine.

Chuck

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/clemswel/album?.dir=/e284&.src=ph&.tok=phS
alNEBstgpmKQj


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:27 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT but useful utility

Hi List,
         A friend in the States is building up a Bernard engine and I 
scanned some manual pages for him.
         He wrote back and asked how to convert the torque from m.kg to 
ft/lbs and it reminded me of a small free programme I have on my
computer 
called "convert.exe".

         I thought I would just share it with you guys as it really is a

very useful prog and will convert just about any measurement to a
different 
standard (and has a "torque" tab as well-which probably makes it "On 
topic"). It is only 156 Kbytes and does not need to be "installed" on 
windows - just unzip it to your Desktop (or wherever) and double click
it 
and away you go.

         You can read about it and download it here:

         If you know how to use zip files then just go for the zip and
not 
the installation file.

         Let me know what you think of it



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ 
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sat Jan  7 19:02:19 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:02:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
References: <20060107.120941.1336.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c613ff$f2277c20$a8e4123f@oemcomputer>

Ron,

You can help yourself on the serial number appearance by grinding the stamp
surface off a little so it has a bolder face on it.  The serial number was
put on at the tag factory.  The other data was put on at Hercules.  The RPM
and HP were stamped with the more common type letter and number stamps like
we have now.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags


> Hi all.
> I am working on a 7 hp Economy, I have a replacement serial no. tag and
> would like to stamp it to look somewhat like original.  Does anyone have
> the skill to make it look like the original script?  Or could someone
> post a large image of an original tag, or better yet does anyone have an
> original tag in the 123xxx number range that they would be willing to
> part with?  Thanks
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan  7 20:56:44 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:56:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
Message-ID: <20060107.205644.1336.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Glenn.  Just need a good picture now.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:02:19 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
writes:
> Ron,
> 
> You can help yourself on the serial number appearance by grinding 
> the stamp
> surface off a little so it has a bolder face on it.  The serial 
> number was
> put on at the tag factory.  The other data was put on at Hercules.  
> The RPM
> and HP were stamped with the more common type letter and number 
> stamps like
> we have now.
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan  8 07:48:38 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:48:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
Message-ID: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>

I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a 
week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.

I have three options:
Renew 2005 for $30
Upgrade to 2006 for $40
Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
birds and whistles.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  8 08:36:51 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:36:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c61471$bc88f4f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

I have internet security , wouldn't be without it after using it for the
last year .

Rex

----- Original Message -----
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT


> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in
a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all
the
> birds and whistles.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From nick at holden1.net  Sun Jan  8 09:03:05 2006
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:03:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43C145C9.000001.00664@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi Tom 
i just went for norton 2006 and had all sorts of problems
so in the end i have changed to McAfee and it is working well

 
Nick Holden
Banbury (UK) 
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
skype: nickholden1
 

 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Germoamer at aol.com
Date: 01/08/06 16:07:28
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
 
I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
 
I have three options:
Renew 2005 for $30
Upgrade to 2006 for $40
Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
birds and whistles.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan  8 09:49:46 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  8 Jan 2006 12:49:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:

> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> 
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
> birds and whistles.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan  8 10:09:24 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:09:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>

We use McAfee on the PCs at work, and it works well. Make sure you set 
it up to update the antiviral database daily.

John

On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:49 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 10:46:42 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060108184642.42574.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

McAfee!

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:

> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> 
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
> birds and whistles.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan  8 11:10:05 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:10:05 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200601081700.k08H04Xj012667@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200601082111406.SM01648@new.databak.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 08/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: [SEL] Engine Tags
>
>Hi all.
>I am working on a 7 hp Economy, I have a replacement serial no. tag and
>would like to stamp it to look somewhat like original.  Does anyone have
>the skill to make it look like the original script?  Or could someone
>post a large image of an original tag, or better yet does anyone have an
>original tag in the 123xxx number range that they would be willing to
>part with?  Thanks
>
>Ron Haskell
><snip><snip>

Hi Ron,
         What you could do is find a local sign shop who has a computerised 
engraving machine and they could engrave it to look just like the original 
stamped numbers. They usually have a very large range of letterstyles and 
you could probably find one that matches the original. If not I could do a 
drawing of the letterstyle if you let me have a good copy (jpg) and email 
it to you - we would just have to find out what software they use and I 
could send it in a format they would be able to use.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  8 11:12:56 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:12:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com><1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001101c61487$8a9f1620$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

I guess its all in your taste , Ive tried Mcafee and did'nt like it , had
lots of issues (about 5 years ago) with it, My son tried it and had troubles
also, maybe its improved now  , I switched to Norton with no issues , I like
Internet security because it blocks pop ups , intercepts and removes spyware
, lets you know when another computer is trying to excess your computer and
also tells you when your computer is trying to send info out via spyware or
other programs , besides the antivirus , it cost me $29.95 a year to renew
it.

That all; Rex

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


> We use McAfee on the PCs at work, and it works well. Make sure you set
> it up to update the antiviral database daily.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:49 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Jan  8 11:14:54 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:14:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

Tom.....Save your money!  Trash the other stuff and install AVG by Grisoft. 
It does everything and doesn't cost you anything.  Download it from the web.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT


>
> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in 
> a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
> the
> birds and whistles.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
>
> 



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Jan  8 11:16:23 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001301c61488$0585a430$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

McAfee and Norton sleep in the same bed.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


>
> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:
>
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>> in a
>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>> the
>> birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan  8 11:38:55 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:38:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <20060108184642.42574.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060108184642.42574.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43C16A4F.50009@scrtc.com>

I've had Norton and McAfee.  I agree with Arnie, McAfee is the way to go.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>McAfee!
>
>fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>  
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:56:56 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:56:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/8/06, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
> birds and whistles.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tom Schmutz
>

Our renewal is ?33 per machine for a year. We can buy NAV 2005 OEM for
less than ?10 a shot in packs of five, that includes a year's
subscription and all updates, so it's a no-brainer really. The dealers
have unloaded 2005 stuff to get 2006 stock in, so the old stock goes
out cheap.

We have 7 machines running, here and at the factory so it makles sense
for us to keep the costs down, but I wouldn't run without it, even
though it has yet to catch anything on any of our machines.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  8 13:02:11 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:02:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43C17DD3.3090702@earthlink.net>

Hi Tom,

I just upgraded to Internet Security 2006. I like it and there are 
improvements. The firewall is much better. I tried McAfee several years 
ago and hated it. So far I'm in the minority on this topic. My buddy has 
several computers and has current versions of McAfee and Norton on them. 
He won't renew the McAfee when it comes due. They will all  be changed 
to Norton. My 2 cents.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a 
>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
>I have three options:
>Renew 2005 for $30
>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
>birds and whistles.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>
>  
>



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jan  8 13:43:21 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Nobody has mentioned 'Panda'
I have used it for the last 3 years and am paid up for another three. It has 
saved me more than the cost so far.
I am happy with it. Norton, etc. let me down.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


> On 1/8/06, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>> in a
>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>> the
>> birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>>
>
> Our renewal is ?33 per machine for a year. We can buy NAV 2005 OEM for
> less than ?10 a shot in packs of five, that includes a year's
> subscription and all updates, so it's a no-brainer really. The dealers
> have unloaded 2005 stuff to get 2006 stock in, so the old stock goes
> out cheap.
>
> We have 7 machines running, here and at the factory so it makles sense
> for us to keep the costs down, but I wouldn't run without it, even
> though it has yet to catch anything on any of our machines.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sun Jan  8 16:04:02 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:04:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>

Hi Tom,

I currently run Norton 2005 full version, Zone Alarm, Spy Bot and 
Adaware. This seems to work well for me. I have no experience with the 
Internet Security.

Duncan


Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a 
>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>
>I have three options:
>Renew 2005 for $30
>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the 
>birds and whistles.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From bmvid at snet.net  Sun Jan  8 15:37:00 2006
From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:37:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com> <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <43C1A21C.3000108@snet.net>

I have been using CA EZ Trust Antivirus since the bata version at the 
sugestion of someone here on the list for a few years now and have been 
very happy with it. Seems to catch and quarantine all viruses with 
little fanfair.
http://store.dingigitalriver.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&id=ProductDetailsPage&SiteID=caconsum&productID=35180700&Env=BASE

Mick



Duncan Denman wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I currently run Norton 2005 full version, Zone Alarm, Spy Bot and 
> Adaware. This seems to work well for me. I have no experience with the 
> Internet Security.
> 
> Duncan
> 
> 
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for 
>> renewal in a week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has 
>> all the birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>> Concord, Va. USA
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 


From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Jan  8 15:46:08 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:46:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <001301c61488$0585a430$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
Message-ID: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Good grief! You are basing your computer security on things like "I had this
once, it didn't work right so I trashed it and would never buy it again" or
"I had a Chevy truck once, was the worst truck I'd ever had so you should
never buy one either".

One needs to be VERY careful basing on such "opinions" because a failure
COULD be related to what else is happening on that computer to interact with
the AV product as well - meaning it's possible any other AV app would have
failed at that particular time as well. Settings/options (or lack there-of,
often), practices of the PC operator (expertise or lack of as well), other
software installed or active, the OS, etc all come into play.

Do be careful with "freeware" as they do not have access to the same inside
information the commercial products do, at least not to the extent that
commercial packages can blend into and protect core OS files or work with
core os features (or bugs in the case of Windoze)

PCMagazine isn't too bad at evaluations.............

How about basing it on industry facts (don't even consider the things trade
rags or "the media" will say, they are often clueless), or even at least
partially base your selection on the experience of an IT person who has been
in charge of antivirus for 3 international companies and a state agency and
has worked in the PC AV field since 1992?

 I will tell you this - there is NO perfect protection - PERIOD. None. Each
is strong in some areas, weak in others.


Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
svsuzanne at copper.net
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT

McAfee and Norton sleep in the same bed.
----- Original Message -----
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


>
> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Germoamer at aol.com:
>
>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>> in a
>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>> I have three options:
>> Renew 2005 for $30
>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>> the
>> birds and whistles.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
> 

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel






From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Jan  8 15:48:20 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:48:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108174617.022fc100@herculesengines.com>

I agree with Tom.  I recently had some severe problems with my PC and 
had to have professionals work on it.  They installed AVG and it has 
been working great.  Why pay for McAfee or Norton's when you can get 
a good product free?
Keith

At 01:14 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>Tom.....Save your money!  Trash the other stuff and install AVG by 
>Grisoft. It does everything and doesn't cost you anything.  Download 
>it from the web.
>----- Original Message ----- From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:48 AM
>Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
>
>
>>
>>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
>>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>
>>I have three options:
>>Renew 2005 for $30
>>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
>>birds and whistles.
>>
>>Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>>Tom Schmutz
>>Concord, Va. USA
>>Germoamer at aol.com
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>--
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>--
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan  8 15:55:24 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:55:24 -0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com> <43C1A872.9010507@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <002301c614ae$ff779590$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


> Hi Tom,
> I currently run Norton 2005 full version, Zone Alarm, Spy Bot and
> Adaware. This seems to work well for me. I have no experience with the
> Internet Security.
> Duncan
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> >I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal in a
> >week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> >I have three options:
> >Renew 2005 for $30
> >Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> >Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all the
> >birds and whistles.
> >Anyone have any suggestions?
> >Tom Schmutz

I use and I am happy with  EZ Antivirus. It has worked well for me where Norton caused me many problems. See
http://store.digitalriver.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&id=ProductDetailsPage&SiteID=caconsum&produc
tID=35180700&Env=BASE
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 17:15:44 2006
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:15:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>	<6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>
	<020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43C1B940.9020700@comcast.net>

I'm using grisoft AVG ,free edition.If you do a Google search,look for 
either grisoft.com , or AVG free. They also have pay-for versions,I 
don't know about them.

For spyware remover, I use spybot search and destroy.I think that's also 
free (can't remember!).

These are free for -I believe-, single computers in a non-commercial 
setting.

              They work well,and you can't beat the price.


                        sincerely, mike

  PS:I've used over the years Norton,McAfee,and Trend Micro.com's 
"PC-cillan".   There's a free anti virus scan available at 
trendmicro.com/housecall.


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Sun Jan  8 19:37:01 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
Message-ID: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

  Hi;

     Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend picked
it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the engine
cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to make it
go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint and the
pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK all
ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if I'm
going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty , I
will post some pics as I get the project under way

Rex




From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Sun Jan  8 17:32:40 2006
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:32:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>	<1136742586.43c150ba6632a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<09446b14c4e62b8701487b2dad4622cf@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43C1BD38.4090709@zoominternet.net>

I've been happy with AVG.

Ed

John Culp wrote:

> We use McAfee on the PCs at work, and it works well. Make sure you set 
> it up to update the antiviral database daily.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:49 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,  Switch to McAfee.  http://www.mcafee.com/us/  8-))
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


From cuz904_99 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 18:03:08 2006
From: cuz904_99 at yahoo.com (John E. Hart)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:03:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060109020308.97112.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com>

Tom: I just updated my Norton Antivirus 2005 this
morning to Norton Internet Security 2006. I have never
had problems with Norton Antivirus. Years ago I used
McAfee and I had nothing but trouble. I guess it's
like driving a Ford or Chevy, running a Stover or
Maytag. What every you perfer.

Keep the computer safe,

John

--- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple
> version) due for renewal in a 
> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
> 
> I have three options:
> Renew 2005 for $30
> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for
> $50  which has all the 
> birds and whistles.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



		
__________________________________________ 
Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. 
Just $16.99/mo. or less. 
dsl.yahoo.com 



From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 18:10:06 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:10:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <20060109020308.97112.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060109020308.97112.qmail@web52515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43C1C5FE.60403@Ntelos.Net>

test


From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 18:05:55 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:05:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus 
Message-ID: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>

Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not 
. I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't 
check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed 
tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not 
need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to 
aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..


                                                                                             
Mark L Shattuck

                                                                                         
Waynesboro Va.


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Jan  8 18:59:31 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:59:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
References: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <002501c614c8$c3290d20$3ca6123f@oemcomputer>

Hey Rex,  What is the serial number of that engine?  I will add it to list
of known Herc engines.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree


>   Hi;
>
>      Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend
picked
> it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the engine
> cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to make it
> go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint and
the
> pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK all
> ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if I'm
> going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty , I
> will post some pics as I get the project under way
>
> Rex
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  8 19:16:08 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:16:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus 
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

Trust in the LORD!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shattuck" <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus


> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not . 
> I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't 
> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed tom 
> OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not need 
> ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to aol 
> users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>
>
> 
> Mark L Shattuck
>
> 
> Waynesboro Va.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Jan  8 19:22:26 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:22:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] A request to Australian members.....Freezing Plants.
Message-ID: <003001c614cb$edade130$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

As a result of a picture that I submitted to TOMM show ing a letter box that 
had been made from a 2.5 Ton Werner Ammonia Compressor I received a request 
from a bloke in NSW that is writing the history of large Ammonia freezing 
plants in Australia .............I have sent him some pics of a couple of 
old plants that are in my area. If any of you can help please contact me.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk  Mon Jan  9 02:15:54 2006
From: fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk (Fred)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:15:54 -0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com><000a01c61487$d099d200$763ae83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060108174617.022fc100@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <003701c61505$ad0e67a0$0200a8c0@athlon64>

As a retired IT professional I have come across many "solutions" to this 
problem. It seems to me that most AV solutions work to a degree BUT there is 
no one product that will give complete security. There is also the 
"personal" factor to take into consideration, products suit the working 
methods of some people but not others. It's often a case of what you are 
comfortable with.
There's also the issue of what degree of input do you want, either on 
installation or in use. Do you want complete automation or are you more 
comfortable with some level of personal control?

I am about to change my own AV protection. The reason is that the program 
that I have used for years is now too invasive and takes too much CPU time 
with all it's additions that accumulated over recent times.
I have installed AVG on PCs that I have built for others and they have been 
happy with it so I'm going to give it a try.

Fred
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT


>I agree with Tom.  I recently had some severe problems with my PC and had 
>to have professionals work on it.  They installed AVG and it has been 
>working great.  Why pay for McAfee or Norton's when you can get a good 
>product free?
> Keith
>
> At 01:14 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Tom.....Save your money!  Trash the other stuff and install AVG by 
>>Grisoft. It does everything and doesn't cost you anything.  Download it 
>>from the web.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:48 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal 
>>>in a
>>>week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>>
>>>I have three options:
>>>Renew 2005 for $30
>>>Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>>>Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all 
>>>the
>>>birds and whistles.
>>>
>>>Anyone have any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Tom Schmutz
>>>Concord, Va. USA
>>>Germoamer at aol.com
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  9 03:36:50 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:36:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
	<002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <43C24AD2.3050201@wightman.ca>

But stick to a good antivirus for your computer.

Duncan


peter ogborne wrote:

> Trust in the LORD!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shattuck" 
> <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:05 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
>
>
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan  9 05:02:29 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:02:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <1711.165.206.180.19.1136811749.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

If you really believe the MS windows firewall is good and will protect you
100%, then there is little else to say. And same for the AOL protection
(aol being one of the reasons we even see issues at the sate agency here).
Guess I will simply wish you luck.
I have shown holes in the MS firewall - enough I was able to get to a
computer that had that "firewall" turned on! I accessed it remotely.
Don't worry about experience and testing.
Don't worry that there is no one "spyware/adware" product that will or can
catch it all (based on experience, research and testing for months)
Don't worry that for years, McAfee's protection had holes in it (based on
research by universities and independant research groups) and there were a
few "in the wild" things that still got through in their tests (and mine).

People treat AV like religion - thiers is always best or right or the only
way, based on what? Faith? What someone told them once?

Whatever, good luck. I hope you don't need it.

Bill

> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
> . I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
> tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
> need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to
> aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>
>
>
> Mark L Shattuck
>
>
> Waynesboro Va.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan  9 05:03:28 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:03:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
	<002b01c614cb$0e3eef80$06432ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1724.165.206.180.19.1136811808.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Yeah, Peter - that's the ONLY thing that has my trust! Then it's "trust
but verify" for me in most things........

Bill

> Trust in the LORD!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Shattuck" <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:05 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT Antivirus
>
>
>> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
>> .
>> I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
>> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
>> tom
>> OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
>> need
>> ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to aol
>> users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark L Shattuck
>>
>>
>> Waynesboro Va.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan  9 05:43:51 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:43:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <f4.6005f844.30f28e56@aol.com>
	<6f6025160601081256s7b0023afse627b91fd554162@mail.gmail.com>
	<020701c6149c$8ec051a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1937.165.206.180.19.1136814231.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Panda is a good alternative. They operate with little hype or fanfare,
have very good technical write-ups and their software seems to work.
Their website is good. No experience with their tech support to date so
can't comment on that.
It's worth a look.

Bill

> Nobody has mentioned 'Panda'
> I have used it for the last 3 years and am paid up for another three. It
> has
> saved me more than the cost so far.
> I am happy with it. Norton, etc. let me down.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT
>
>
>> On 1/8/06, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:
>>> I presently have Norton Antivirus 2005 (simple version) due for renewal
>>> in a
>>> week. I also have Adaware and Spybot installed.
>>>
>>> I have three options:
>>> Renew 2005 for $30
>>> Upgrade to 2006 for $40
>>> Upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2006 upgrade for $50  which has all
>>> the
>>> birds and whistles.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Tom Schmutz
>>>
>>
>> Our renewal is ?33 per machine for a year. We can buy NAV 2005 OEM for
>> less than ?10 a shot in packs of five, that includes a year's
>> subscription and all updates, so it's a no-brainer really. The dealers
>> have unloaded 2005 stuff to get 2006 stock in, so the old stock goes
>> out cheap.
>>
>> We have 7 machines running, here and at the factory so it makles sense
>> for us to keep the costs down, but I wouldn't run without it, even
>> though it has yet to catch anything on any of our machines.
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Jan  9 05:58:07 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:58:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV226836C4CAFB93C2E48F1FBB220@phx.gbl>

Howdy gang;
  Looks pretty nice with the taper feature.  Little fancier than mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028221185

RickinMt.


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 08:34:05 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:34:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
Message-ID: <2d3.e35f06.30f3ea7d@aol.com>

Hi List,
On my newly acquired Fairbanks Morse dishpan engine, located below  the 
magneto, cast into the assembly is the word  - "Oil".   The question that I have is 
where does the oil go -  Rectangular, small or large round hole?   How is the 
governor weight  assembly oiled?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Mon Jan  9 09:02:44 2006
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:02:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Brats
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70651D5F5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

>>>Bruce is SUCH a vivid writer!  Poor Harley.  Poor Duckums.  8-))
 
Gee, thanks, Arnie - but most of the vivid is likely high blood
pressure. I need to calm down.
Oh, wait - in 77 days this will resolve itself...
 
Duckems is still tolerating, doesn't seem to get any wiser. If she did,
she would accept an alternative offer.  As for poor Harley - his
eclectic dining tastes finally sent him to doggy heaven.  First, he got
into a insecurely closed cooler in the garage, just out of the camper,
and ate a two pound block of sharp cheddar.  While sulking after being
punished, he retaliated by eating most of a ten-pound sack of Vidalia
onions. You remember he loves onions.  Not knowing this, I gave him his
usual Saturday afternoon Schaefer's.  An hour and a half later, plugged
up both ends, he blew.
 
We buried him that afternoon, and the rest of him the following
Wednesday when I found it.
 

Bruce H. Younger
City of Lenexa
GIS Specialist
V - 913-477-7666
F - 913-477-7689
<mailto:byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us 

 

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From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jan  9 11:34:02 2006
From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:34:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV226836C4CAFB93C2E48F1FBB220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c61553$a5435500$546bcc45@stojanov>

I just picked up a lathe like that 2 months ago- missing all the backgearing
and the leadscrew, a Star made in Seneca Falls, NY.  Sure is a thought
though! Cya.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe


> Howdy gang;
>   Looks pretty nice with the taper feature.  Little fancier than mine.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028221185
>
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jan  9 12:12:16 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:12:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: antivirus OT (nick)
>    2. Re: antivirus OT (fero_ah at city-net.com)
>    3. Re: antivirus OT (John Culp)
>    4. Re: antivirus OT (James Moran)
>    5. Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 (Jerry Evans)
>    6. Re: antivirus OT (Rex Hinz)
>    7. Re: antivirus OT (svsuzanne at copper.net)
>    8. Re: antivirus OT (svsuzanne at copper.net)
>    9. Re: antivirus OT (Judge Tommy Turner)
>   10. Re: antivirus OT (Listerdiesel)
>   11. Re: antivirus OT (Jeff Allen)
>   12. Re: antivirus OT (R & M Ingold)
>   13. Re: antivirus OT (Duncan Denman)
>   14. Re: antivirus OT (Mick DeMaria)
>   15. RE: antivirus OT (Bill Dickerson)
>   16. Re: antivirus OT (Keith Kinney)
>   17. Re: antivirus OT (Dave Croft)
>   18. Re: antivirus OT (Michael P. Koryciak)
>   19. !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree (Rex Hinz)
>   20. Re: antivirus OT (Edward Tabor)
>   21. Re: antivirus OT (John E. Hart)
>   22. Re: antivirus OT (Mark Shattuck)
>   23. OT Antivirus  (Mark Shattuck)
>   24. Re: !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree (Glenn A Karch)
>   25. Re: OT Antivirus  (peter ogborne)
>   26. A request to Australian members.....Freezing Plants.
>       (peter ogborne)
>   27. Re: antivirus OT (Fred)
>   28. Re: OT Antivirus (Duncan Denman)
>   29. Re: OT Antivirus (bill at antique-engines.com)
>   30. Re: OT Antivirus (bill at antique-engines.com)
>   31. Re: antivirus OT (bill at antique-engines.com)
>   32. Seneca Falls lathe (Richard Strobel)
>   33. Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions (FRM8198 at aol.com)


Hey Guys,
This has to be an all time record for an engine list: (Above copied from 
"Digest")
         27 Off Topic (Antivirus)
         5 Engine related.

         If I am not mistaken this thread originated from Peter Lowe in Aus 
who started his mail with a ("disclaimer" or explanation) and specifically 
asked everyone to reply "off list".
         What happened ??
         Use whatever Antivirus programme you are comfortable with - at the 
end of the day a lot of things just boil down to common sense and if you do 
not go for the "updates" (automatically or otherwise) then it is your own 
problem. All antivirus progs have their "pro's & con's" but actually it all 
boils down to the user in the end.

         REMEMBER :- When all is lost there is a list member with a "Data 
Recovery" business - no names mentioned (just read the Sig.)
         Can we talk about engines again - Please !

Best regards
Jerry Evans.

Visit our website: www.databak.co.za  

---
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From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Mon Jan  9 12:37:47 2006
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:37:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine @ Portland, IN Show)
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A568@email03.bsu.edu>

I have received word today that Tom Hidy is now being cared for in a Hospice.  Tom is the gentleman who took the lead in the restoration of the 1915 55HP Muncie Oil Engine (owned by the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor Assn.) in 1994. The restoration was completed in time and was displayed/run at the Portland Show in 1994 and has been displayed there annually since.  Tom is an old engine friend and for those so inclined, please say a prayer for him and his family.  Thanks!
 
Don Siefker
28 miles SW of Portland, IN  USA
 



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan  9 12:58:52 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:58:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???/ now what are you working on this
	winter?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>

Jerry,
If it makes you feel better I've been working on both my Stickney engine 
and the tray cooled Alamo engine.
On the Stickney I have all the castings for the fuel pumper machined and 
they are on the engine. Saturday I stuck a pan of mineral spirits under 
it and it pumped all the way up to the site gage cage! Glenn, Arnie, 
Rick, the combination of check balls you sent worked. Now I have piping 
work to do to route the fuel from the pump to the mixer. It's been a 
year long project to get this done from making the patterns, to getting 
them cast, to machining them, and on the engine. I'll put some pictures 
together shortly....

On the Alamo I've been making new valves, reaming the guides oversize, 
seating the valves, rebuilding the water pump, making fixtures to pour 
new babbitt mains, making all new bolts/screws/studs, new brass in the 
wrist pin end of the conn. rod, etc.
Still have to bore the cylinder, make a pattern/cast/machine an oversize 
piston, pour the mains, and assemble it. May run out of winter!

Last week Tommy B. and I put the crank and new poured mains in his 
Rumley lightweight and set the end clearance. It rolls sweet! Cylinder 
liners are next. I need to take some pictures of this....

Missy is now referring to herself as a machineshop widow as I am there 
most nights until about 8 or 8:30. But as she says it is good safe fun 
and she knows where I am!

OK guys, tell us what you are working on....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jerry Evans wrote:

> At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: antivirus OT (nick)
>>    2. Re: antivirus OT (fero_ah at city-net.com)
>>    3. Re: antivirus OT (John Culp)
>>    
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  9 13:15:27 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:15:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43C2D26F.6020903@scrtc.com>

I agree Jerry.  I think I've got an engine virus.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>
>
> Hey Guys,
> This has to be an all time record for an engine list: (Above copied 
> from "Digest")
>         27 Off Topic (Antivirus)
>         5 Engine related.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan  9 13:20:41 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:20:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: What are you working on this winter?
In-Reply-To: <43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601091619350.77802@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Curt wrote:

> Missy is now referring to herself as a machineshop widow as I am there
> most nights until about 8 or 8:30. But as she says it is good safe fun
> and she knows where I am!

Plus it gives her time for pistol practice.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 14:30:43 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:30:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601091430p35742492me76a28da890ab994@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:
> At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >Today's Topics:

Well, I spent (like Curt and others) a lot of time on engine-related
things over the weekend, specifically putting up more stuff on the
website and chasing up my BRB which finally arrived today, posted in
the US of A by air mail on the 12th December!

There is always off-list stuff to sort out, updating Oldengine.org for
Jim Dunmyer, overseas enquiries etc etc., so although I did look and
post on the AV thread, it was a passing interest thing rather than
sitting there for hours scrutinising all the responses. I think I
replied to the original question from Ron?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Jan  9 15:38:20 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:38:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43C2F3EC.8080109@wightman.ca>

So what's your point???
This happens every year, all the time, from time to time.
Always has, and always will.

Duncan


Jerry Evans wrote:

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jan  9 15:02:14 2006
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:02:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???/ now what are you working on
	this	winter?
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	<43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001601c61570$bb7d2860$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>

Absolutely nothing but home repairs.  I feel so ashamed!

MR
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From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is this a record???/ now what are you working on this
winter?


> Jerry,
> If it makes you feel better I've been working on both my Stickney engine
> and the tray cooled Alamo engine.
> On the Stickney I have all the castings for the fuel pumper machined and
> they are on the engine. Saturday I stuck a pan of mineral spirits under
> it and it pumped all the way up to the site gage cage! Glenn, Arnie,
> Rick, the combination of check balls you sent worked. Now I have piping
> work to do to route the fuel from the pump to the mixer. It's been a
> year long project to get this done from making the patterns, to getting
> them cast, to machining them, and on the engine. I'll put some pictures
> together shortly....
>
> On the Alamo I've been making new valves, reaming the guides oversize,
> seating the valves, rebuilding the water pump, making fixtures to pour
> new babbitt mains, making all new bolts/screws/studs, new brass in the
> wrist pin end of the conn. rod, etc.
> Still have to bore the cylinder, make a pattern/cast/machine an oversize
> piston, pour the mains, and assemble it. May run out of winter!
>
> Last week Tommy B. and I put the crank and new poured mains in his
> Rumley lightweight and set the end clearance. It rolls sweet! Cylinder
> liners are next. I need to take some pictures of this....
>
> Missy is now referring to herself as a machineshop widow as I am there
> most nights until about 8 or 8:30. But as she says it is good safe fun
> and she knows where I am!
>
> OK guys, tell us what you are working on....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> > At 12:00 PM 09/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>    1. Re: antivirus OT (nick)
> >>    2. Re: antivirus OT (fero_ah at city-net.com)
> >>    3. Re: antivirus OT (John Culp)
> >>
> >
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  9 16:06:24 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:06:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine @ Portland, IN Show)
References: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A568@email03.bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <002701c61579$b2c07020$230110ac@PAUL>

Don, please tell Tom I will be praying for him as I know many others will be 
also. May the Great Physician have mercy on Tom and may it be His will that 
he could be healed.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SIEFKER, DONALD L" <00dlsiefker at bsu.edu>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine @ Portland, IN Show)


>I have received word today that Tom Hidy is now being cared for in a 
>Hospice.  Tom is the gentleman who took the lead in the restoration of the 
>1915 55HP Muncie Oil Engine (owned by the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor 
>Assn.) in 1994. The restoration was completed in time and was displayed/run 
>at the Portland Show in 1994 and has been displayed there annually since. 
>Tom is an old engine friend and for those so inclined, please say a prayer 
>for him and his family.  Thanks!
>
> Don Siefker
> 28 miles SW of Portland, IN  USA
>
>
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From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Mon Jan  9 16:14:46 2006
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV226836C4CAFB93C2E48F1FBB220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002b01c6157a$dd5eaa80$50c77040@user>

Same as the one I bought two months ago except the three jaw chuck probably
fits that one. Mine is for some other lathe and the threads are different.
Got a four jaw though and the tooling for $225.
Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: [SEL] Seneca Falls lathe


Howdy gang;
  Looks pretty nice with the taper feature.  Little fancier than mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6028221185

RickinMt.
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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Jan  9 16:18:34 2006
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:18:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9
References: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <005901c6157b$65315390$0600a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

I have been using CA EZ Trust Antivirus

This is a great antivirus ........ Works REALLY well and has a Support line 
you can speak to in business hours.

Very helpful ...... I believe it is Australian too ....... 8^)

Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jan  9 17:11:10 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:11:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109215518.00a7c578@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<43C2CE8C.3030002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c61582$be2cd9e0$0b151941@pengy>

The Tod Engine Works foundry is almost ready to begin operations.  Since I 
started setting it up on the day before Thanksgiving of last year, I am 
suprised to find that almost everything that I need I already have onhand. A 
testament to my pack rat skills!

The only thing really holding me up is the electric service.  The 
electrician promises to have his part done by the end of this week, then its 
up to Penn Power to string the new wires and the inspector to approve the 
installation.  I'm getting quite impatient as this is really holding me up 
on everything else.

The control unit for the furnace is in place and wired in. I've set up a 
temporary cooling system until I can find a cooling tower to place outside. 
The furnace itself still needs to be assembled but before I grout the coil 
and install the new crucible I want to be sure the coil is correct for the 
voltage and frequency I will be using.

I've purchased a sand muller which needs rebuilt.  However a customer is 
letting me use a small muller of his until mine is ready to go, so mixing 
sand isn't a problem.  I may be getting a small shotblaster for cleaning 
finished castings but that may not be for a few months. I already have 
enough orders for engine parts for several heats of grey iron.

So for everyone wanting castings I'm working on it!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Jan  9 17:55:50 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:55:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Brats
In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70651D5F5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70651D5F5@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <dd0eb55ecfb9e53022ca1c83c89e7a7e@chartertn.net>

That reminds me, today's mail brought the "Walter the Farting Dog" 
plush toy I'd ordered from Amazon. Jane loves it! He "farts" when you 
squeeze him, too. :-)

John

On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Bruce Younger wrote:

> As for poor Harley - his
> eclectic dining tastes finally sent him to doggy heaven.  First, he got
> into a insecurely closed cooler in the garage, just out of the camper,
> and ate a two pound block of sharp cheddar.  While sulking after being
> punished, he retaliated by eating most of a ten-pound sack of Vidalia
> onions. You remember he loves onions.  Not knowing this, I gave him his
> usual Saturday afternoon Schaefer's.  An hour and a half later, plugged
> up both ends, he blew.
>
> We buried him that afternoon, and the rest of him the following
> Wednesday when I found it.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  9 18:02:57 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:02:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] what are you working on this winter?
Message-ID: <20060109.180258.1076.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
As usual I have a number of projects going at the same time.  I am
cutting a door in the side of a 20' ocean going container for more engine
storage.  Changing my 7 hp Economy back to mag and ignitor from micro
switch and vibrator coil.  Finishing up painting a Witte Dieselectric 4KW
unit so I can get it on its cart and usable.  Also I finally repaired the
diaphragm in the fuel pump of my Stover DV2 so it will run from the tank.
 Other than that I haven't been doing a thing.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  9 18:40:26 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:40:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
In-Reply-To: <2d3.e35f06.30f3ea7d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6158f$370021e0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Hi Francis

I'll take a stab at this from memory. The oil goes in the Rectangular hole,
it runs down a little trough and onto the cam follower and the cam. I'm
really not sure about the governor. I went out and looked at the pot metal
bracket for my Fairbanks 1.5hp and there is no way to lube the governor
other than just give it a shot with an oil can. The 3hp engines and probably
the 6's have a grease cup for the governor shaft.

Hope this helps,

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
dotto at velocitus.net


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:34 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions

Hi List,
On my newly acquired Fairbanks Morse dishpan engine, located below  the 
magneto, cast into the assembly is the word  - "Oil".   The question that I
have is 
where does the oil go -  Rectangular, small or large round hole?   How is
the 
governor weight  assembly oiled?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA

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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 19:19:18 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:19:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
Message-ID: <1d4.4bf0afa8.30f481b6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:08:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dotto at velocitus.net writes:

I'll  take a stab at this from memory. The oil goes in the Rectangular hole,
it  runs down a little trough and onto the cam follower and the cam. I'm
really  not sure about the governor. I went out and looked at the pot metal
bracket  for my Fairbanks 1.5hp and there is no way to lube the governor
other than  just give it a shot with an oil can. The 3hp engines and probably
the 6's  have a grease cup for the governor shaft.



Thanks, Dave.  Now I know for sure.
Every time I get a different engine, I get a new set of questions  to ask.  
Some of the questions may seem very basic to an experienced engine  man.  I 
rather ask first before I do some thing foolish.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Jan  9 16:27:42 2006
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:27:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9
References: <200601091700.k09H05BL008391@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c6157c$abfe5e20$0600a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go 

Never, EVER trust M$ .... 8^)

Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan  9 19:42:21 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:42:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
Message-ID: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
This weekend I finished making some parts, one of which was
in brass.  It came out nicely, except that it looked like
bling hanging from Fiddy's neck rather than something that
belongs on a rusty old engine.  
 
Afflicted with Manic-Obsessive disorder, I had no time to
wait for patina the old fashioned way.  Something had to be
done, and it had to be done NOW.  
 
The goal was to expose the brass to chlorine to get it to
change color.
 
Previous experiments with bleach (sodium hypochlorite) took
a long time and were less than impressive.  Where to get
more chlorine?  Need more chlorine...  
 
I've also used muriatic acid in experiments, but it hasn't
been particularly useful in creating a patina.  
 
By now any chemists reading this can see where the story is
going, and the sensible ones are shaking their heads in
disbelief.  They're right.  If you value your health, you
should hit the "delete" key now.  What you're about to read
is something that can very well get you dead, or at least
make you blind and burn holes in your skin.  
 
Anyway, in a deep plastic container was mixed a little
bleach with a little muriatic resulting in a BIG fizzy
reaction.  It was evident why this experiment is frowned
upon by experts.  
 
Industrial quality protective gear is very good idea here:
gloves, goggles, face shield, respirator and ventilation
hood at the very least.  
 
The brass part on the end of a wire dangled in the plastic
container IMMEDIATELY started to turn color.  I accidentally
dropped the brass into the broth and all the color dissolved
away.  Back out of the mix and it started turning color
again.  Within a minute it was a very dark brown.  Most
washed off, leaving a pleasing patina behind.
 
I used a couple ounces of each ingredient, but suspect that
a teaspoon or tablespoon of each would have been sufficient
to make the quantity of gas needed.  It's heavier than air,
so you don't need to worry about losing it out of your
plastic container.
 
If you use this technique, keep in mind that you're
manufacturing poison gas -- chemical warfare gas.
Seriously.  It's a tool that can help you make cool stuff,
but like other tools in the shop, can be dangerous if you're
not paying attention.  
 
Start with small quantities, and by all means keep the large
jugs of ingredients far from the other ingredients.  I'd
venture to say that if you accidentally spilled both
containers on the floor in your shop, the resulting reaction
would create enough gas that you wouldn't have to worry
about what's for breakfast tomorrow.   
 
Have fun, play safe, make pretty engines.
Rob
 
 


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan  9 20:38:37 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:38:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43C33A4D.9000100@scrtc.com>

Rob,
    I went to Google and typed in Liver of Sulfur and got this result.  
Check this out to possibly keep you from getting "gassed".

http://www.whiteriverfoundry.com/bronze_patina_basics.htm

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  9 20:45:46 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:45:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
In-Reply-To: <1d4.4bf0afa8.30f481b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c615a0$b94c3dd0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

I may be mistaken about the grease cup on the larger FM Z engines; it is
probably for the camshaft. My 3hp Z is outside under cover so I can't check
for sure.

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net



Thanks, Dave.  Now I know for sure.
Every time I get a different engine, I get a new set of questions  to ask.  
Some of the questions may seem very basic to an experienced engine  man.  I 
rather ask first before I do some thing foolish.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

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From dotto at velocitus.net  Mon Jan  9 20:45:46 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:45:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <008e01c61582$be2cd9e0$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <000501c615a0$b9130560$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

That's good news Rick; I may need to talk to you about casting a piston.

And for Curt, didn't you used to have some pictures of making a piston
pattern on your web site??

I blasted the piston for my Falk the other day and found a 360deg. Crack on
the piston crown. Honest I didn't do it! The engine was not stuck when I got
it. As for the previous owner I can't say. 

My original plan was to hone the bore clean and round, have the piston
sprayed and a new set of rings made. Now after finding the crack I wondering
if it would be better to just start with a new casting?

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net



Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry

The Tod Engine Works foundry is almost ready to begin operations.  Since I 
started setting it up on the day before Thanksgiving of last year, I am 
suprised to find that almost everything that I need I already have onhand. A

testament to my pack rat skills!





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  9 21:26:17 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:26:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
Message-ID: <20060109.212618.1512.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Pictures Rob pictures.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jan  9 21:32:46 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:32:46 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Oiling Questions
Message-ID: <f7.6003a706.30f4a0fe@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/9/2006 9:16:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dotto at velocitus.net writes:

I may be  mistaken about the grease cup on the larger FM Z engines; it is
probably  for the camshaft.


Dave,
On this engine, there is a small grease cup,  located between the magneto and 
the crankshaft that lubes the cam gear and  the governor drive gear.  
I installed a new grease cup on the connecting rod.  In order  to have 
sufficient clearance when the crankshaft is rotated, I had to install a  ?"  st ell 
with the grease cup.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan  9 22:49:11 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:49:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <43C33A4D.9000100@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <008601c615b1$fd9ff0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

>I went to Google and typed in Liver of Sulfur and got 
> this result.  Check this out to possibly keep you from 
> getting "gassed".

Thanks Tommy,
I'll look into getting a tub of Liver of Sulphur.  I enjoy
playing with various concoctions to see what kind of effects
I can get.  

Rob









From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan  9 23:00:05 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:00:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <20060109.212618.1512.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Pictures Rob pictures.

Ok, Ron.  It didn't occur to me to post pictures because my
machining skills are... limited.  I get excited when I can
make one part that will perform as intended, while the rest
of you chaps are making complex mechanisms. 

But you asked.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf

Rob







From segray at mlode.com  Mon Jan  9 23:09:41 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:09:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Listeroid safety warning on Ebay
Message-ID: <43C35DB5.6080502@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Want to throw this out amongst the gang here as a caution more than 
anything. There's currently a 16 HP Listeroid up on Ebay right now (# 
7578704005) that could prove dangerous if used as advertised. The sale 
was brought to my attention by George Breckenridge, a friend and dealer 
of such engines. The concern is over the advertised rated speed of a 
full 1000 RPM with 27" (possibly 24") cast iron flywheels, which is WAY 
over safe speed (absolute max for a 27" is 750 using the 60 MPH rule). 
The seller apparently is ignoring cautions from the engine community. 
His picture of the engines label is hard to read, so I'm not sure if 
he's making the RPM figure up or the Indian manufacturer is throwing 
caution to the wind. In any case, as George remarked, a few bad 
incidents with these engines and it could conceivably effect the whole 
engine community (and it's insurance programs). Note, too, that this is 
an RPM under load. Knowing the governors used, if this engine went 
unloaded.... look out!!!

Be careful out there.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 10 02:49:31 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:49:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <005301c61597$deffaa20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <d6a250bb2b50e53094dd09ee7029ad0d@chartertn.net>

Tommy's right, Rob, go with the Liver of Sulphur. That's the stuff used 
by artists to give a quick dark patina to copper alloys. If you want 
the green patina, you'll have to go a bit further. Exposure to ammonia 
fumes is one way. Google will turn up lots of pages on it.

BTW, if you really want to do yourself in with poison gas, acidifying 
that Liver of Sulphur to release H2S is a quick way to do it. That 
stuff really is silent but deadly.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jan 10 04:27:24 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 4:27:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] what are you working on this winter?
Message-ID: <16862278.1136896044530.JavaMail.root@fepweb05>

I have a couple of cylinders to sleeve for friends, bearings to pour for another. My project is the 4hp Bulldog. I freed the ignitor, made a new shaft and new springs, it's ready. This is a kero engine, has the large mixer with the gasoline reservoir and water injection. I managed to get the mixer apart and cleaned up, working on needle valves now. One was missing, two were broken. I'm going to need pictures of the belcrank and governor latch, these were missing from my engine as well as the piston and rod.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 04:51:20 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:20 EST
Subject: [SEL] Is this a record???
Message-ID: <ae.11a9447.30f507c8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/9/2006 3:35:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<<    Use whatever Antivirus programme you are comfortable with - at the 
 end of the day a lot of things just boil down to common sense and if you do 
 not go for the "updates" (automatically or otherwise) then it is your own 
 problem >>


Jerry,

Thanks for the antivirus input and thanks to all others who replied to help 
this old computer illiterate person with his OT anti virus question. What a 
great bunch of fellows to take the time to help me!  Being on the other side of 
the world and not knowing me personally, you must understand that I am not 
known for having much "common sense" but somehow have managed to stumble thru 62 
years and make a lot of engines run.

Right now I have three engines torn down, parts in NY being repaired, and 
helping a fellow list member with pictures of my engine parts to aid in his 
repairs.  Otherwise the free time is spent taking out the beagles to run rabbits!

Have a nice day!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Jan 10 06:13:34 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Main Jet
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV149862B643DCA60078CD38BB250@phx.gbl>

  Well the New Way only has one jet so it must be the main :-)

  Do ya'll think it would be feasible to machine different size, replaceable 
jets?  I'm thinking of a design similiar to an insert on a pop rivit gun.

  The OEM jet is just a small ~3/32" hole drilled in the side of a brass 
tube ~ 9/16" dia....no needle valve.  Fuel/air ratio is determined with 
choke.

  Possibly this could reduce the amount of drooling.

  Any thots?

  TIA
RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 10 07:59:01 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:59:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43C3D9C5.5050608@imc-group.com>

Sir Gudineff,
Excellent work and we appreciate your documentation and web writing skills.
Did you needle scale the rectangular cap? It looks as old as the engine now!

You did a great job on the concave for the knurled oiler top. I was 
trying to do a concave on a valve for Devin's Baker last summer. You 
know, that gentle sweep under the valve head where it transitions to the 
stem. Oh I sucked on that freehand stuff! I do OK on nice square stuff 
but shapes are a whole 'nother ballgame. I just gave up and made a 2 
piece valve for his engine. I'm impressed how well you did!

Interesting advise on oiling a file. Would have never though of that! I 
always oil a hacksaw blade before sawing to keep it from sticking so it 
make good sense that it would help with files too. Alway something to 
learn on this list.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Rob Skinner wrote:

>But you asked.
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf
>
>  
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 10 10:10:31 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:10:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <43C3D9C5.5050608@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Did you needle scale the rectangular cap? It looks as old
as 
> the engine now!

File away all marks, needle scale, reverse electrolysis
(http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis), hot brown, then
a concoction of linseed oil, old motor oil, stove polish.  

> know, that gentle sweep under the valve head where it 
> transitions to the stem. Oh I sucked on that freehand
stuff!

Tip:  use a tool with a large radius, but less than you want
your finished curve to be.  On this part, the tool was made
with about the same shape as the last inch of my little
finger. 

Adios!
Rob




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 10 10:11:30 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:11:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <d6a250bb2b50e53094dd09ee7029ad0d@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <00c901c61611$4ced19e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> BTW, if you really want to do yourself in with poison gas,
acidifying 
> that Liver of Sulphur to release H2S is a quick way to do
it. That 
> stuff really is silent but deadly.

Hi John, 
I KNEW I could count on you as a source of fun and
educational experiments.  

Rob




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jan 10 11:53:00 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:53:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
 Department.  (KMM199114738V61295L0KM)
In-Reply-To: <auto-000138674130@smf-klm-01.corp.ebay.com>
References: <auto-000138674130@smf-klm-01.corp.ebay.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110133514.020e6ac0@herculesengines.com>

Hello
Back on December 28, 2005 I made a complaint about seller simpson52, 
see correspondence below.  He was and still is stealing pictures off 
of my web site and selling them on E-bay.  Please review the 4 
auction below and the corresponding location on my web site where he 
stole the pictures.  If you will notice his tactics have changed.  If 
you compare his current auctions with the ones he had going when I 
first made the complaint you will notice at the previous auctions 
used very good resolution pictures that allowed you to see creases 
and imperfections that identically matched the pictures on my web 
site.  Now he is using lesser quality pictures that don't show the 
details as well.  But, if you will take a close look at his previous 
auctions and compare them to his current auctions and then my web 
page you will find they are the same.  Please do something to prevent 
him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on 
E-bay, for the originals.
Sincerely.
Keith Kinney

7579004539 and 7579780359
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg


7579779622
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

7579007204
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg


At 11:59 AM 12/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Thank you for writing.
>
>We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
>investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
>appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action may
>include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
>suspension or terminating the membership.
>
>Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeran
>eBay SafeHarbor
>Investigations Team
>
>Original Message Follows:
>-------------------------
>
>Form Message %43301% 071398
>D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
>Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
>listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]
>
>User Feedback:  177
>User State:  ?01
>
>Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
>
>Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem you're
>having with your seller isn't listed
>
>Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192
>
>Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
>and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
>coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
>the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit on
>ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
>of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
>reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
>Thank you.
>Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.
>
>
>Item number: 7576166889
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg
>
>Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>Item number: 7576170687
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
>
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
>
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
>
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/2005



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Jan 10 13:46:36 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
References: <008701c615b3$816fe0c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <008501c6162f$551632f0$82456e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Nice job!!

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Patina on Brass



> Pictures Rob pictures.

Ok, Ron.  It didn't occur to me to post pictures because my
machining skills are... limited.  I get excited when I can
make one part that will perform as intended, while the rest
of you chaps are making complex mechanisms. 

But you asked.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf

Rob





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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 10 14:17:39 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:17:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Found Oil Field Engine Update
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWtBcyEgtJGlX6HIRTC2vokfCAA
Message-ID: <E1EwRoa-00042e-MT@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

We went out to look at this little jewel again today:

 

 The flywheels are 46.5 inches in diameter and 4 1/8 wide on a 3.5 inch
diameter shaft. The number  ZFB13C1 is on it.

 

There is a number 3   3   59 cast into the cover of the crank case. I need
to know if this is a casting date because if it is I will pass this engine
up.

 

The clutch has Arrow 15A    MM  on it and a symbol GTI inside a diamond on
it.

 

The fan pulley has ZF  86070A  cast into it.  Should probably be ZFB 6070 A.

 

The radiator mount has ZFB 502A 10 cast into it.

 

The crank case has ZFB 2A26 CAST  into it with KC above it and  3   6  59
above that. Again I need to know if these are casting date numbers.

 

I recognise the ZFB part numbers as Fairbanks-Morse. The man on the seen
said it was 18 HP. There are two screws under the radiator where I think the
name plate went; no s/n stamped in the cast iron. The pictures are at
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id12.html  .

 

Ed Stoller

 

  _____  

From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Harold Kuret
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:44 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: Re: Found Oil Field Engine

 

I suspect it could be a 15 HP Fairbanks. A lot of these engines where used
in western Canada on Grain Elevators.

 

Harold Kuret

Lynden, ONt. Canada

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ed <mailto:edstoller at earthlink.net>  

To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org 

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:50 PM

Subject: FW: Found Oil Field Engine

 

 

 


  _____  


From: Ed [mailto:edstoller at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:54 PM
To: 'stationary-engine at oldengine.org'
Subject: Found Oil Field Engine

 

I am on the road and not accidentally have come across a nice little engine.
It is quite a bit bigger than my 2 HP FMZ. I need help identifying the
engine, estimating it's weight and before I do something stupid, estimating
how much it is worth. I hope to get to get for nothing. It turns freely and
has compression, but the magneto and mixer is missing. It has a closed
crankcase. I also need to know where to look for the serial number.

 

Ed Stoller



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 10 14:06:48 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:06:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Found Oil Field Engine Update
In-Reply-To: <E1EwRoa-00042e-MT@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <E1EwRoa-00042e-MT@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601101704210.98707@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Ed,

Contact the spare parts folks at Arrow Engines.
http://www.arrowengine.com/

Give them the assorted part numbers.  They will be able to tell you what
make and model the engine is, when it was built, and how much the missing
parts would cost.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Ed wrote:

> We went out to look at this little jewel again today:
>  The flywheels are 46.5 inches in diameter and 4 1/8 wide on a 3.5 inch
> diameter shaft. The number  ZFB13C1 is on it.
> There is a number 3   3   59 cast into the cover of the crank case. I need
> to know if this is a casting date because if it is I will pass this engine
> up.
> The clutch has Arrow 15A    MM  on it and a symbol GTI inside a diamond on
> it.
> The fan pulley has ZF  86070A  cast into it.  Should probably be ZFB 6070 A.
> The radiator mount has ZFB 502A 10 cast into it.
> The crank case has ZFB 2A26 CAST  into it with KC above it and  3   6  59
> above that. Again I need to know if these are casting date numbers.
> I recognise the ZFB part numbers as Fairbanks-Morse. The man on the seen
> said it was 18 HP. There are two screws under the radiator where I think the
> name plate went; no s/n stamped in the cast iron. The pictures are at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id12.html  .



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 10 15:12:47 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:12:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
References: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
	<002501c614c8$c3290d20$3ca6123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001901c6163b$612e8cc0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Glen;

     The serial number on the Economy 1-3/4 is 343499 if you want some pics
I can email you if you send me your email address   , Thanks

Rex Hinz
rex002 at centurytel.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree


> Hey Rex,  What is the serial number of that engine?  I will add it to list
> of known Herc engines.
>
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
>
>
> >   Hi;
> >
> >      Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend
> picked
> > it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the
engine
> > cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to make
it
> > go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint and
> the
> > pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK
all
> > ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if
I'm
> > going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty ,
I
> > will post some pics as I get the project under way
> >
> > Rex
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 10 15:40:22 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:40:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
References: <002501c614cd$f5c46d60$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt><002501c614c8$c3290d20$3ca6123f@oemcomputer>
	<001901c6163b$612e8cc0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000701c6163f$3b54c600$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Opps ! I ate the books, email is here duh



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree


> Glen;
>
>      The serial number on the Economy 1-3/4 is 343499 if you want some
pics
> I can email you if you send me your email address   , Thanks
>
> Rex Hinz
> rex002 at centurytel.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
>
>
> > Hey Rex,  What is the serial number of that engine?  I will add it to
list
> > of known Herc engines.
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:37 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] !-3/4 hP economy found my Christmas Tree
> >
> >
> > >   Hi;
> > >
> > >      Got a new project going , 1-3/4 1926 Economy S model , A friend
> > picked
> > > it up for me and brought it home Christmas day , , the ride for the
> engine
> > > cost me a wopping tirty pak of Miller lite , I need a few parts to
make
> it
> > > go , mostly mag trip parts and rings , it has lots of orignal paint
and
> > the
> > > pinstriping is all there , the mag was missing but I have an extra EK
> all
> > > ready to go so all I need is the mag trip parts , I haven't decided if
> I'm
> > > going  put new paint on it or leave it as is , the flywheels are rusty
,
> I
> > > will post some pics as I get the project under way
> > >
> > > Rex
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 10 17:00:01 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:00:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
Message-ID: <20060110.170002.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I rushed home from work today, this is supposed to be the last
70+ degree day we will have for a while, and put some color on my Witte
Dieselectric engine.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73540335
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73540336
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73540337
&f=0

Now I can get it on it's cart and in out of the weather.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 10 18:04:51 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:04:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>

I may be about to become a real expert on "hot brown."  I just ate a 
pack of cheap wieners, the scrawny little highly spiced ones that sell 
for $1 a pack or so, that I found in the bottom of the bottom drawer of 
the fridge. I knew they were a bit stale, but after I'd finished them 
and was taking the pack to throw away, I read on the end: "USE BY 
OCTOBER 10, 2005."

On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> hot brown


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 10 19:01:37 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass/ now OT
In-Reply-To: <171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>
References: <00c801c61611$2cc941c0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060110214446.026c48b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:04 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>I may be about to become a real expert on "hot brown."
>John Culp

Hi John,
         In my 20's I dated a black chick that I affectionately called "Hot 
Brown." And believe me she was HOT! Meryl's father was the president of the 
NAACP in Detroit. He was an MD in the city. Meryl and I both wanted 
children and we knew that in the early 60's children of  mixed races would 
never be accepted in the USA society. So Meryl went her way and I went 
mine. Later I heard the she had moved to KA and married a dentist. (My loss 
and her gain!) In any event, if you are in contact with Hot Brown please 
tell her that I'm doing well and that I said HI!
         Dave 



From dotto at velocitus.net  Tue Jan 10 19:26:29 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:26:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
In-Reply-To: <20060110.170002.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c6165e$d02db0b0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Looking good Ron! Did you ever find the flywheel you needed for it? Wasn't
this the engine with the damaged flywheel?

Dave


Dave Otto
Boise. Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:00 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] It's gray

Hi all.  I rushed home from work today, this is supposed to be the last
70+ degree day we will have for a while, and put some color on my Witte
Dieselectric engine.  
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
_______________________________________________




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 10 19:52:14 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:52:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
Message-ID: <20060110.195215.676.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Dave.
Yes this is the one.  I had a quote of $300 to fix the broken one.  Then
last April at the Tulare show I found the exact replacement, but I had to
take the pair for $50.  I just about tore the pocket off my pants getting
my wallet out.  I put it on the crank I straightened and it was perfect,
no run out.  The engine starts easily, and looks like new inside.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:26:29 -0700 "Dave Otto" <dotto at velocitus.net>
writes:
> Looking good Ron! Did you ever find the flywheel you needed for it? 
> Wasn't
> this the engine with the damaged flywheel?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Dave Otto
> Boise. Idaho
> USA
> dotto at velocitus.net


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 10 20:02:41 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:02:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <171dfd9e3634a0b92310a7909679365c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c61663$e0112070$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> I may be about to become a real expert on "hot brown."  I
just ate a 
> pack of cheap wieners, the scrawny little highly spiced
ones 
> that sell 
> for $1 a pack or so, that I found in the bottom of the
bottom 
> drawer of 
> the fridge. I knew they were a bit stale, but after I'd
finished them 
> and was taking the pack to throw away, I read on the end:
"USE BY 
> OCTOBER 10, 2005."


Quick John!  Quick!
Eat a quart of ice cream!

Rob

P.S.
I'm not interested in trying your experiments on MY engines.
However, we may be able to find you a Maytag.






From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 10 20:05:12 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL]snip Re: Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
	Department. "What evil lies in the hearts of men" OT
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110133514.020e6ac0@herculesengines.com>
References: <auto-000138674130@smf-klm-01.corp.ebay.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060110133514.020e6ac0@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <43C483F8.80802@earthlink.net>

Hi Keith and lists,

I've been watching the bastard, but too bust lately to do much. Home 
improvement work here, so I can get back to the garage. I did send 
another message tonight to our friend in the LRB department. In part:

>   I see you are still selling stolen copyrighted material on E-Bay. Am 
> I to assume the person you "purchased" the pictures from at a flea 
> market had the forethought to also print 2006 calendars using the 
> pictures. NOT!!!!

I also found that NASA has very nice high resolution pictures one can 
share with a fellow affectionado of photos. I do hope the rather large 
files will not fill his mailbox as to affect his commerce. I lurk to 
place my next warning auction in his time frame.

Night all,

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Keith Kinney wrote:

> Hello
> Back on December 28, 2005 I made a complaint about seller simpson52, 
> see correspondence below.  He was and still is stealing pictures off 
> of my web site and selling them on E-bay.  Please review the 4 auction 
> below and the corresponding location on my web site where he stole the 
> pictures.  If you will notice his tactics have changed.  If you 
> compare his current auctions with the ones he had going when I first 
> made the complaint you will notice at the previous auctions used very 
> good resolution pictures that allowed you to see creases and 
> imperfections that identically matched the pictures on my web site.  
> Now he is using lesser quality pictures that don't show the details as 
> well.  But, if you will take a close look at his previous auctions and 
> compare them to his current auctions and then my web page you will 
> find they are the same.  Please do something to prevent him from 
> stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on E-bay, for 
> the originals.
> Sincerely.
> Keith Kinney
>
> 7579004539 and 7579780359
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 
>
>
>
> 7579779622
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg 
>
>
> 7579007204
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
> At 11:59 AM 12/28/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thank you for writing.
>>
>> We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
>> investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
>> appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action may
>> include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
>> suspension or terminating the membership.
>>
>> Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeran
>> eBay SafeHarbor
>> Investigations Team
>>
>> Original Message Follows:
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Form Message %43301% 071398
>> D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
>> Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
>> listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]
>>
>> User Feedback:  177
>> User State:  ?01
>>
>> Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
>>
>> Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem you're
>> having with your seller isn't listed
>>
>> Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192
>>
>> Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
>> and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
>> coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
>> the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit on
>> ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
>> of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
>> reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
>> Thank you.
>> Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.
>>
>>
>> Item number: 7576166889
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg
>>
>> Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg 
>>
>>
>> Item number: 7576170687
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 
>>
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494 
>>
>>
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg 
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256 
>>
>>
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211 
>>
>>
>> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 
>>
>>



From dotto at velocitus.net  Tue Jan 10 20:15:09 2006
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:15:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] It's gray
In-Reply-To: <20060110.195215.676.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c61665$9c539870$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>

Good deal, I didn't realize you had had it running also. 

I have a 1933 Deutz MAH diesel that I have done a lot machine work on, then
it got pushed aside for other projects. I would really like to see it run
some day.

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
USA
dotto at velocitus.net


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:52 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] It's gray

Hi Dave.
Yes this is the one.  I had a quote of $300 to fix the broken one.  Then
last April at the Tulare show I found the exact replacement, but I had to
take the pair for $50.  I just about tore the pocket off my pants getting
my wallet out.  I put it on the crank I straightened and it was perfect,
no run out.  The engine starts easily, and looks like new inside.





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 11 04:57:35 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:57:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <000a01c61663$e0112070$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <000a01c61663$e0112070$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <c608bd7200611d0e730f3e21581672e0@chartertn.net>

> Quick John!  Quick!
> Eat a quart of ice cream!

That's a great idea!

> I'm not interested in trying your experiments on MY engines.
> However, we may be able to find you a Maytag.

Aw, where's your sense of adventure?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 08:19:51 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:19:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
Message-ID: <E1EwihQ-0007pB-KQ@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

In my travels I have come across Harold who has a Fairbanks Morse Model Z
2HP which has the zink mag bracket intact. His serial number is 690416. Can
anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before I
head home.

 

Ed Stoller

New Fairfield,  CT

http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

 

 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Jan 11 08:34:30 2006
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
Message-ID: <410-220061311163430671@coastalnet.com>

Ed,

Here is a link to a FM serial number listing page:
http://www.edgeta.org/www2/fmdates.htm

Ken 

> [Original Message]
> From: Ed <edstoller at earthlink.net>
 Can anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before
I
> head home.
>
 Ed Stoller
>





From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 11 08:45:16 2006
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
In-Reply-To: <E1EwihQ-0007pB-KQ@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1EwihQ-0007pB-KQ@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060111084433.02c9aec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Ed,

On the list I have here it looks like late 1927.

At 08:19 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>In my travels I have come across Harold who has a Fairbanks Morse Model Z
>2HP which has the zink mag bracket intact. His serial number is 690416. Can
>anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before I
>head home.
>
>
>
>Ed Stoller
>
>New Fairfield,  CT
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jan 11 10:55:42 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:55:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <200601111700.k0BH04k1014261@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060111204959.00ab5af0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 11/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Patina on Brass

>Ok, Ron.  It didn't occur to me to post pictures because my
>machining skills are... limited.  I get excited when I can
>make one part that will perform as intended, while the rest
>of you chaps are making complex mechanisms.
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/bits.pdf

Rob, don't sell yourself short - that work is really great. I'll probably 
ask you again in the future about the process you use for the "patina" - (I 
can never find the threads again after a few weeks).
         I make new etched brass spec. plates and can see a use for your 
process there


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 13:03:11 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:03:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks SN
In-Reply-To: AAAAAFWtBcyEgtJGlX6HIRTC2vpkiiAA
Message-ID: <E1Ewn7n-0001Uc-7D@smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Thank you Larry and Ken. I am sure Homer will be happy to know his engine is
that old.  It looks like it has never been outdoors.
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:45 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks SN

Ed,

On the list I have here it looks like late 1927.

At 08:19 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>In my travels I have come across Harold who has a Fairbanks Morse Model Z
>2HP which has the zink mag bracket intact. His serial number is 690416. Can
>anyone please tell us the year of manufacture so I can tell him before I
>head home.
>
>
>
>Ed Stoller
>
>New Fairfield,  CT
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 11 13:42:15 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:42:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
	Department...
Message-ID: <23b.50c9922.30f6d5b7@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2006 5:13:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kkinney at herculesengines.com writes:

<< Please do something to prevent 
 him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on 
 E-bay, for the originals >>


Keith,

What would happen if we all got fictitious names to bid on ebay, bid his 
pictures way up, then make no payments?  Just a thought.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 11 14:03:51 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:03:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety
	Department...
In-Reply-To: <23b.50c9922.30f6d5b7@aol.com>
References: <23b.50c9922.30f6d5b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601111648560.30440@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

Doing what you propose is fraud.  Not a good thing.

I think the better tactic is to complain loudly and often to eBay about
the seller.  Also to flood the seller with complaining emails pointing out
the error of his ways and telling him that he's being reported to eBay
for taking copyrighted material without permission.

Also given that his stolen goods go pretty cheap, you could buy one that's
a ripoff, then leave negative feedback saying he sold you stolen
copyrighted goods.  A bunch of negative feedback would fer sure put a
crimp in his sleazy business.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/10/2006 5:13:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kkinney at herculesengines.com writes:
>
> << Please do something to prevent
>  him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on
>  E-bay, for the originals >>
>
> What would happen if we all got fictitious names to bid on ebay, bid his
> pictures way up, then make no payments?  Just a thought.
> Tom Schmutz



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jan 11 19:26:31 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:26:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: IM62827 Response to your email regarding image or
 text theft.  (KMM200468178V22364L0KM)
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060111212423.020d1028@herculesengines.com>

Here's the reply from Ebay.
Keith




>Hello Keith,
>
>Thank you for taking the time to contact eBay Customer Support. My name
>is Bryanne and I am happy to help you with your issues regarding image
>and text theft.
>
>I would like to inform you eBay has removed the listings you've
>reported, item #'s 7579004539, 7579007204, 7579779622, and 7579780359.
>We appreciate the time you have taken to send this information to us.
>
>I realize how frustrating this situation can be but unfortunately there
>is no sure fire way to prevent someone from copying your image. One
>thing I do recommend is to place a watermark on your image. A watermark
>is an identifiable piece of text or marking placed on the image. This
>could be in the form of a user id, e-mail address, etc.
>
>Even though this may take away from the effectiveness of the photo
>somewhat, I would even place it right across the middle of the image.
>This will make it difficult for someone to get rid of the watermark
>without distorting the entire image. Watermarks can be created in almost
>any image editing software.
>
>Please visit this link below for more valuable information on how to
>protect the material used in your auctions.
>
>http://www.coolebaytools.com/stealing_pics_tips.html
>
>Thank you for being a valuable member of the eBay community. Have a
>wonderful time shopping and selling on eBay throughout the New Year!
>
>Regards,
>
>Bryanne
>Community Watch Team
>eBay Trust & Safety
>_____________________________________________
>
>Whether you're new to eBay or an experienced buyer and seller, the eBay
>Security & Resolution Center can help you protect yourself on eBay and
>online. For more information, please click the "Security Center" link at
>the bottom of most eBay pages.
>_____________________________________________
>
>For our latest announcements, please check:
>
>http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml
>_____________________________________________
>
>
>Original Message Follows:
>-------------------------
>
>Hello
>Back on December 28, 2005 I made a complaint about seller simpson52,
>see correspondence below.  He was and still is stealing pictures off
>of my web site and selling them on E-bay.  Please review the 4
>auction below and the corresponding location on my web site where he
>stole the pictures.  If you will notice his tactics have changed.  If
>you compare his current auctions with the ones he had going when I
>first made the complaint you will notice at the previous auctions
>used very good resolution pictures that allowed you to see creases
>and imperfections that identically matched the pictures on my web
>site.  Now he is using lesser quality pictures that don't show the
>details as well.  But, if you will take a close look at his previous
>auctions and compare them to his current auctions and then my web
>page you will find they are the same.  Please do something to prevent
>him from stealing pictures that I paid high dollars for, usually on
>E-bay, for the originals.
>Sincerely.
>Keith Kinney
>
>7579004539 and 7579780359
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg
>
>
>7579779622
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>7579007204
>http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
>At 11:59 AM 12/28/2005, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Thank you for writing.
> >
> >We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
> >investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
> >appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action
>may
> >include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
> >suspension or terminating the membership.
> >
> >Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jeran
> >eBay SafeHarbor
> >Investigations Team
> >
> >Original Message Follows:
> >-------------------------
> >
> >Form Message %43301% 071398
> >D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
> >Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
> >listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]
> >
> >User Feedback:  177
> >User State:  ?01
> >
> >Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
> >
> >Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem
>you're
> >having with your seller isn't listed
> >
> >Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192
> >
> >Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
> >and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
> >coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
> >the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit
>on
> >ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
> >of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
> >reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
> >Thank you.
> >Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.
> >
> >
> >Item number: 7576166889
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg
> >
> >Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%2
>0Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
> >
> >Item number: 7576170687
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%2
>0page%201295.jpg
> >
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ
>7573876494
> >
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%2
>0Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ
>7574674256
> >
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
> >
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7
>574675211
> >
>
> >http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%2
>0page%201295.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date:
>12/27/2005



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 11 21:24:27 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:24:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues
Message-ID: <20060111.212427.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I put the Witte on its cart today.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548030
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548031
&f=0

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Jan 11 19:49:16 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:49:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <000501c615a0$b9130560$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <010101c6172b$295e3430$0b151941@pengy>

Speaking of pistons...

I've had numerous inquiries about casting pistons.  I would like to develop 
a set of patterns that would allow me to make up generic piston blanks which 
could be machined to the specific size and configuration for a certain 
engine.   If I can have those patterns made then I'll be in a position to 
supply pistons and as my machining skills develop I may someday be able to 
offer machined pistons as well.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Otto" <dotto at velocitus.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> That's good news Rick; I may need to talk to you about casting a piston.
>
> And for Curt, didn't you used to have some pictures of making a piston
> pattern on your web site??
>
> I blasted the piston for my Falk the other day and found a 360deg. Crack 
> on
> the piston crown. Honest I didn't do it! The engine was not stuck when I 
> got
> it. As for the previous owner I can't say.
>
> My original plan was to hone the bore clean and round, have the piston
> sprayed and a new set of rings made. Now after finding the crack I 
> wondering
> if it would be better to just start with a new casting?
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Otto
> Boise, Idaho
> USA
> dotto at velocitus.net
>
>
>
> Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
> The Tod Engine Works foundry is almost ready to begin operations.  Since I
> started setting it up on the day before Thanksgiving of last year, I am
> suprised to find that almost everything that I need I already have onhand. 
> A
>
> testament to my pack rat skills!
>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Jan 11 16:15:29 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:15:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
Message-ID: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>

Hey Guys,

Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related section. 
Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.
Thought someone may be interested.
http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=122311&query=retrieval
Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 12 00:38:30 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:38:30 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <000801c61753$920d56f0$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors


> Hey Guys,
> Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related section. 
> Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.
> Thought someone may be interested.
> http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=122311&query=retrieval
> Duncan Denman

Hi Duncan, Is this one of the engines made in the English Morris works. 8^)
I presume it should say Fairbanks Morse!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 12 01:08:28 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:08:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Steam Engine accident in UK.........?
Message-ID: <000d01c61757$c48741f0$b08ca33a@ogborneuah38i3>

I have heard that there was a steam engine accident recently in the UK . 
Seems a woman lost a leg ......do our UK members know anything re the 
circumstances?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Jan 12 01:13:24 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:13:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues
References: <20060111.212427.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003201c61758$71263c90$58446e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Ron,

When is the Witte going to make it's first show?  Quartzsite maybe?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues


Hi all.
I put the Witte on its cart today.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548030
&f=0

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=73548031
&f=0

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 12 05:35:17 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:35:17 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Steam Engine accident in UK.........?
References: <000d01c61757$c48741f0$b08ca33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <003801c6177d$0804f010$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] Steam Engine accident in UK.........?


> I have heard that there was a steam engine accident recently in the UK . 
> Seems a woman lost a leg ......do our UK members know anything re the 
> circumstances?
> Peter Ogborne

I aked for you on the English list & Joules quoted this article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/4595501.stm
I think this is what you wanted.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 12 05:36:11 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
Message-ID: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>

First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I bought 
an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal department.  The 
tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now Olivers are my 
favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so smooth.  The 
streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were designed.  With 
pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have read, on the SEL, 
about products that you use to slick up rough cast surfaces.  what are the 
names of some of these products and are they suitable for sheet metal use?  
What kind of surface prep is needed before application?




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Jan 12 06:15:54 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:15:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43C6649A.4000905@imc-group.com>

Andy,
Sandblast and Bondo. Sounds like you'll be buying it by the gallon! Buy 
yourself a body file (looks like a wood rasp) to cut the glazed surface 
of the Bondo to keep you from clogging up the sandpaper. Then rough it 
with a block and 40 grit, then 100 grit as you are getting close to the 
sheetmetal. You can do a final sanding with 220 as you break thru to the 
steel. Prime with a 2 part primer surfacer, sand, prime, etc. until you 
are happy with the finish. Your final sanding should be with 320 grit 
before you put your high gloss finish.
I agree Oliver sheet metal is beautiful, especially the orchard tractors.
Curt
P.S. You might even consider buying a DA sander.

Andy Glines wrote:

> First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I 
> bought an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal 
> department.  The tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now 
> Olivers are my favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so 
> smooth.  The streamlined look was definitely in when these machines 
> were designed.  With pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in 
> trouble.  I have read, on the SEL, about products that you use to 
> slick up rough cast surfaces.  what are the names of some of these 
> products and are they suitable for sheet metal use?  What kind of 
> surface prep is needed before application?
>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan 12 07:39:22 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:39:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on Brass
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060111204959.00ab5af0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000b01c6178e$60f4d210$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> ask you again in the future about the process you use for
the 
> "patina" - (I  can never find the threads again after a
few weeks).

Hi Jerry,
Be sure to ask.  Every time I do something like that, I
tweak the process and find out what works better and what
does not.  The comments from the list members have already
provided new ways to color metal.

Rob




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 12 10:23:54 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:23:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
In-Reply-To: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <57b4f1d15a18c2f7ee534fafc3263bd2@chartertn.net>

He's ambitious, wanting to trade it for a diesel tractor with power 
steering.

John

On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Duncan Denman wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related section. 
> Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Jan 12 14:07:48 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:07:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060112140350.01c45100@mail.pennswoods.net>

Andy an item you may try is called glazing compound. But you can't put it 
on thick and the metal needs priming first. It sands down very easy but you 
should use a board sander so you don't get dips in it. then prime over it.
R Fink
PA




At 08:36 AM 1/12/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I 
>bought an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal 
>department.  The tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now 
>Olivers are my favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so 
>smooth.  The streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were 
>designed.  With pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have 
>read, on the SEL, about products that you use to slick up rough cast 
>surfaces.  what are the names of some of these products and are they 
>suitable for sheet metal use?
>What kind of surface prep is needed before application?
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Jan 12 03:05:37 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
In-Reply-To: <000801c61753$920d56f0$064d1152@no1>
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca> <000801c61753$920d56f0$064d1152@no1>
Message-ID: <43C63801.9090003@wightman.ca>

Some people cannot get their head wrapped around that one Dave. You 
would be surprised how often that happens. :-)

Duncan

Dave Croft wrote:

>
>
>Hi Duncan, Is this one of the engines made in the English Morris works. 8^)
>I presume it should say Fairbanks Morse!
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>England
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Jan 12 12:33:32 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:33:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060112151908.15cd1d58@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:36 AM 1/12/2006, you wrote:
>First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I 
>bought an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal 
>department.  The tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now 
>Olivers are my favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so 
>smooth.  The streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were 
>designed.  With pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have 
>read, on the SEL, about products that you use to slick up rough cast 
>surfaces.  what are the names of some of these products and are they 
>suitable for sheet metal use?
>What kind of surface prep is needed before application?

Hi Andy,
         The product that you want is Icing. It's a Polyester Finishing 
Putty marketed by USC. Like BONDO it's a two part mixture. Unlike BONDO it 
is ready to sand in 15 minutes (you only have about 5 minutes working time) 
and it sands VERY easily. It's also a LOT smoother than BONDO. You can put 
the stuff on up to 1/4" thick and it is (to some extent) flexible. Sand the 
tin and prime the metal prior to applying the Icing. If there remains LOTS 
of rust in the deeper pits you might consider using Extend (or some similar 
rust treatment) prior to the priming. the only place that I would not use 
Icing is where there will be extreme heat (as on a heat near an exhaust 
valve for instance.)
         Dave
PS, Icing comes in a 24 oz. tube and costs about $20.00. One tube (two at 
the most) will more than do your Oliver tin! You can buy Icing at any good 
auto paint store--hell they even carry it at several "cut-rate" auto supply 
stores here in PA! 



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Jan 12 15:41:49 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:41:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine ad on Yesterday's Tractors
In-Reply-To: <57b4f1d15a18c2f7ee534fafc3263bd2@chartertn.net>
References: <43C59FA1.9020404@wightman.ca>
	<57b4f1d15a18c2f7ee534fafc3263bd2@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43C6E93D.1020808@wightman.ca>

Probably thinks he has hit the jackpot.

Duncan


John Culp wrote:

> He's ambitious, wanting to trade it for a diesel tractor with power 
> steering.
>
> John
>
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Duncan Denman wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Saw this ad on Yesterday's Tractors under the tractor related 
>> section. Sure wouldn't expect to find it there.
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Thu Jan 12 18:14:05 2006
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:14:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] National Gas Engine
Message-ID: <140.534e5f7c.30f866ed@aol.com>

Hi folks,
 I've bought a 9 1/2hp National Gas engine made in the UK, the engine  dates 
around 1905-06. I'm guessing that the nuts & bolts on this engine are  the 
Whitworth type threads. 
Is there a source for new studs, nuts & bolts, because several of the  
original ones are in bad shape.  A reprint of a manual for this engine  would also 
be very much appreciated.
 Thanks,
 Dwight Vivas
 Petersburg, VA.


From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jan 12 13:37:34 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:37:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work
References: <BAY104-F565DE98CF5EE83F750418C7270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a201c617c0$6723d8c0$881117d1@net.telenet.net>

First DON'T Sandblast it unless you can use a very low pressure blaster.
It will turn that smooth metal into the ocean. Soda blast or even walnut
shells will do the job and save the steel. Once blasted clean prime it
with a two part primer such as some Sherwin Williams Polane Spray Fil
primer, it is basically a very high solids primer that will fill the
pits and allow you to sand the steel smooth after one coat.

http://www2.sherwin.com/chemicalCoatings/productPrimerPlastic.asp#Sprayfil
Link is from the plastics page but it is usable on most surfaces. The
2.8 is the stuff you can buy for homeowner use. It is low VOC and works
just as well as the original except on some plastics that need more
solvent activity.

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Glines" <andyglines at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sheet metal work


> First, I will apologize for asking a tractor question on the SEL.  I
bought
> an Oliver 70 which is pretty complete in the sheet metal department.
The
> tin is also pretty straight but is quite pitted.  Now Olivers are my
> favorite tractor in terms of looks because they are so smooth.  The
> streamlined look was definitely in when these machines were designed.
With
> pitted sheet metal the smooth look is in trouble.  I have read, on the
SEL,
> about products that you use to slick up rough cast surfaces.  what are
the
> names of some of these products and are they suitable for sheet metal
use?
> What kind of surface prep is needed before application?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 12 20:18:36 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:18:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: IM62827 Response to your email regarding image
	or text theft.  (KMM200468178V22364L0KM)
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060111212423.020d1028@herculesengines.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060111212423.020d1028@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <43C72A1C.6050106@earthlink.net>

Good work Keith,

I do believe he has changed his ways. He still sells engine photos, but.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-PHOTO-PRINT-HIT-AND-MISS-FAIRBANKS-MORSE_W0QQitemZ7581355540QQcategoryZ63945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This one might work better.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsimpson52QQhtZ-1

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Keith Kinney wrote:

> Here's the reply from Ebay.
> Keith
>
>> I would like to inform you eBay has removed the listings you've
>> reported, item #'s 7579004539, 7579007204, 7579779622, and 7579780359.
>> We appreciate the time you have taken to send this information to us.
>>
>>
>
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan 12 20:54:36 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:54:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Witte continues
Message-ID: <20060112.205437.1520.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.
It is possible but I still have some parts to clean and paint.  Also the
butt buggy I am making for Carol still needs some attention.  I put a
shifting collar in backwards and the gears don't line up with the
detents.  I think if I am wise I will fix the buggy first.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:13:24 -0800 "Jim and Diane"
<jd.kirkes at verizon.net> writes:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> When is the Witte going to make it's first show?  Quartzsite maybe?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 00:23:48 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:23:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] National Gas Engine
In-Reply-To: <140.534e5f7c.30f866ed@aol.com>
References: <140.534e5f7c.30f866ed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601130023s12d9a3c9p2e1239ddf4ab326d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/13/06, Vivas1993 at aol.com <Vivas1993 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>  I've bought a 9 1/2hp National Gas engine made in the UK, the engine  dates
> around 1905-06. I'm guessing that the nuts & bolts on this engine are  the
> Whitworth type threads.
> Is there a source for new studs, nuts & bolts, because several of the
> original ones are in bad shape.  A reprint of a manual for this engine  would also
> be very much appreciated.
>  Thanks,
>  Dwight Vivas
>  Petersburg, VA.
>

Original Whitworth sized nuts and bolts are no longer made
commercially, but there are specialist suppliers in the UK that make
them.

Later "British Standard Whitworth" or BSW nuts and bolts are
available, as are BSF or "British Standard Fine" in some sizes.

The difference between early Whitworth and later BSW is the size of
the hexagon. The earlier sizes were appreciably larger, but were
reduced during WWII and rationalised along with BSF threads so that
there was a common range of spanner sizes (not size for size) and the
reduced hexagon meant that less metal was used to make the fasteners.

We were able to buy mild steel hex bar in Whitworth sizes up until a
few years ago, and have a small stock of bar in the workshop.

Peter



--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 18:13:03 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:13:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: OT Antivirus
In-Reply-To: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
References: <43C1C503.9030102@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <43C1C6AF.7030307@Ntelos.Net>




From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Sun Jan  8 17:17:46 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:17:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>

Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not 
. I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't 
check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed 
tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not 
need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to 
aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..


                                                                                              
Mark L Shattuck

                                                                                          
Waynesboro Va.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:04:22 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:04:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net> wrote:
> Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
> . I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
> check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
> tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
> need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to
> aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
> Mark L Shattuck

Hi Mark:

One of the problems with a closed email group like the engine lists,
is that as soon as anyone catches a cold, it spreads round the group,
so we all need to keep an eye on what is happening on our computers,
whether we understand them or not.

Industry opinions vary on AOL from 'pretty poor' to 'worse than
useless', but it does suit a lot of people who cannot get involved in
setting up their own systems for some reason. We've been there, got
burnt and left it pretty quickly, but looking through the email
addresses of folks that we deal with, there is probably a 20% - 25%
usage of AOL, so it must suit them.

Microsoft has not a good reputation for bullet-proof software, and
this week's update/patch (you did get it didn't you?) shows yet
another hole for hackers to exploit. THAT is why all these precautions
are necessary, it's not just us here banging the drum. I don't use any
Microsoft software other than the operating system and Office,
everything else is from other places of supply.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 13 13:15:25 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:15:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] SAW BLADE SHARPENER (#6595554323) Photo
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601131610030.54276@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Keith,

Earlier you had commented on the crap photos that the dipwad simpson52 is
peddling on eBay these days.

Take a look at the photo with this item.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6595554323

Now THIS guy knows how to take a great photo!!!  Wanna bet that dipwad
simpson52 steals it and trys to sell it on eBay?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:40:05 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:40:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <200601131700.k0DH03o4019388@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F38FDA3EB1589D6B1705F76C7260@phx.gbl>



>    2. Re: Sheet metal work (Richard Fink Sr)
     4. Re: Sheet metal work (Dave Rotigel)

>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:07:48 -0800
>From: Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sheet metal work
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060112140350.01c45100 at mail.pennswoods.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Andy an item you may try is called glazing compound. But you can't put it
>on thick and the metal needs priming first. It sands down very easy but you
>should use a board sander so you don't get dips in it. then prime over it.
>R Fink
>PA
>
>
>

>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:33:32 -0500
>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sheet metal work
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060112151908.15cd1d58 at mail.alltel.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
of surface prep is needed before application?
>
>Hi Andy,
>          The product that you want is Icing. It's a Polyester Finishing
>Putty marketed by USC. Like BONDO it's a two part mixture. Unlike BONDO it
>is ready to sand in 15 minutes (you only have about 5 minutes working time)
>and it sands VERY easily. It's also a LOT smoother than BONDO. You can put
>the stuff on up to 1/4" thick and it is (to some extent) flexible. Sand the
>tin and prime the metal prior to applying the Icing. If there remains LOTS
>of rust in the deeper pits you might consider using Extend (or some similar
>rust treatment) prior to the priming. the only place that I would not use
>Icing is where there will be extreme heat (as on a heat near an exhaust
>valve for instance.)
>          Dave
>PS, Icing comes in a 24 oz. tube and costs about $20.00. One tube (two at
>the most) will more than do your Oliver tin! You can buy Icing at any good
>auto paint store--hell they even carry it at several "cut-rate" auto supply
>stores here in PA!
>
Thanks to everyone for the helpful hints on my new project.  I was actually 
thinking that this sheet metal might be a good candidate for the 
electrolysis bath.  My tank should be large enough for most od the pieces.  
This is delicate work for me.  I'm a little more at home with the Huber 
steamer and unstyled tractors.




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 13 14:16:44 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:16:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: old Sel Post Re antivirus
In-Reply-To: <200601132208.k0DM8QWR005105@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
References: <200601132208.k0DM8QWR005105@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <43C826CC.10805@imc-group.com>

Seems some old emails from Mark are showing up on the list again. Mark 
asked me to post this, saying he is NOT trying to get this thread going 
again!
Curt Holland
 

Mark L Shattuck wrote:

>Curt . I don't know were the old message came from but I am not trying to
>start another thread on this subject . I have tried to post this on the list
>but my e-mail bounces when posting to the list  . I hope there is some way
>to let the list know this . Thanks for any help . I do enjoy the engine
>posts every much  and also have an interest in the hit& miss engines  once
>again Thanks 
>
>                                      Mark L Shattuck
>
>
>  
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Fri Jan 13 14:57:43 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:57:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sheet metal work
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F38FDA3EB1589D6B1705F76C7260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200601132258.k0DMvtkV004661@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Thanks to everyone for the helpful hints on my new project.  I was actually 
thinking that this sheet metal might be a good candidate for the 
electrolysis bath.  My tank should be large enough for most od the pieces.  
This is delicate work for me.  I'm a little more at home with the Huber 
steamer and unstyled tractors.

~~~~~~~~~

I've used electrolysis extensively and have concluded it is not a
do-all/end-all solution for rust removal.  I've had good results de-rusting
sheet metal that is only slightly rusty; however, if it is deeply pitted,
electrolysis is not likely to remove the rust at the bottom of the craters.


I always start every de-rusting job with electrolysis.  If it works, fine.
But, in those cases where it cannot finish the job, I have to reach down
into my bag of tricks and try something else.  

I tried for most of a summer to get the pits out of an old Ford running
board, via electrolysis. It just wouldn't come out of the pits.  I finally
gave up and just slapped a coat of paint on it.  After all, nobody would
ever see it because it got covered with a rubber tread.  

I'd like to emphasize what someone else said about abrasive blasting making
sheet metal look like ocean waves.   Once-upon-a-time I blasted the visor
off the same old Ford.  I'd heard all about its causing warping of sheet
metal, so I took all the precautions I knew of.  Because I was so careful, I
didn't think it would warp; after all, the piece was only six inches wide,
or so.  (BTW, I tried electrolysis, first.)  

After all the rust was gone it looked fantastic!  "Good job," said I.  It
wasn't until I started sanding the prime coat that I discovered the piece
was about as flat as a potato chip.  Not only did I still have to get out
the Bondo, I had to deal with a dislocated shoulder caused by all that
back-patting I gave myself.  

Regards,

Orrin





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jan 13 15:00:10 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:00:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: old Sel Post Re antivirus
References: <200601132208.k0DM8QWR005105@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
	<43C826CC.10805@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c61895$2dd62340$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>

> Seems some old emails from Mark are showing up on the list again. <<

I often see a reply on the lists to a mail I never received as a list 
subscriber. I often wonder if there is an electronic dead letter place in 
cyberspace!
All those electrons collecting in one place!! We will need em one day to 
keep the internet running! <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From avanti_64 at juno.com  Fri Jan 13 16:46:04 2006
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:46:04 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: IM62827 Response to your email regarding image or t
	ext theft.  (KMM200468178V22364L0KM)
Message-ID: <20060113.164635.23349.23510@webmail38.lax.untd.com>

This guy isn't too bright. He has a Fairbanks Morse engine listed and has a total of 6 pictures of the engine and background junk. 3 of the pictures are the same shot. DUH!!! 
Glad Keith "caught up" with him. I can't imagine why someone would want to "pay" for a picture of his engine that he has listed, it isn't exactly a "museum piece". See ya, Joe


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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 13 17:10:38 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:10:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
Message-ID: <20060113.171038.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all. One more question about the Economy.  I put the new catch block
on the push rod, and a new detent blade on.  When the blade is in the
miss position and the cam comes around to open the exhaust valve, the
catch block is moved 3/8" off the blade.  All my other engines are
adjusted to clear 1/16" or less.  The catch block goes in a machined slot
in the push rod, so the only thing I can think of it Hit n Miss sent a
detent blade that is too short.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From mullt at att.net  Fri Jan 13 18:07:34 2006
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:07:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: old Sel Post Re antivirus
Message-ID: <011420060207.29942.43C85CE60005AC84000074F621603762239B04049A03@att.net>

I also frequenty get replys to messages that I never received the orginal posted message. It happens, not just on this board, but others as well. I guess the orginal messages are "lost in cybersapce".

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> 
> > Seems some old emails from Mark are showing up on the list again. <<
> 
> I often see a reply on the lists to a mail I never received as a list 
> subscriber. I often wonder if there is an electronic dead letter place in 
> cyberspace!
> All those electrons collecting in one place!! We will need em one day to 
> keep the internet running! <G>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 13 18:41:49 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SAW BLADE SHARPENER (#6595554323) Photo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601131610030.54276@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601131610030.54276@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43C864ED.1000207@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

I think we have as a group turned him into a wether regarding our 
pictures. I've had no luck getting the negative feedback removed for a 
cancelled auction, but all in all I think it is hurting him. Not a lot 
of bidding lately on his stuff. Keith did well in getting auctions 
cancelled and I imagine E-bay kicked him around a bit. All in all I 
think our community of engine nuts did quite well.

Jeff
PS Thanks for all the JD E replies.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Keith,
>
>Earlier you had commented on the crap photos that the dipwad simpson52 is
>peddling on eBay these days.
>
>Take a look at the photo with this item.
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6595554323
>
>Now THIS guy knows how to take a great photo!!!  Wanna bet that dipwad
>simpson52 steals it and trys to sell it on eBay?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Fri Jan 13 19:07:36 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:07:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
References: <20060113.171038.356.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004901c618b7$adba7e40$52f7123f@oemcomputer>

Ron,

The detent blade is adjustable back and forth, but I assume you are out of
adjustment room.  There are two different blades - one for the small engines
and another for all the rest.  There are also two different blade holders.
One has one bolt to hold the blade on and the other has two bolts.  Each
takes a different blade.  Get a piece of 3/16" x 3/4" strap iron and make
one or weld an extension on the one you have.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy


> Hi all. One more question about the Economy.  I put the new catch block
> on the push rod, and a new detent blade on.  When the blade is in the
> miss position and the cam comes around to open the exhaust valve, the
> catch block is moved 3/8" off the blade.  All my other engines are
> adjusted to clear 1/16" or less.  The catch block goes in a machined slot
> in the push rod, so the only thing I can think of it Hit n Miss sent a
> detent blade that is too short.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan 13 20:08:54 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

 Referring to below - "this week's update" - just one? 
As a government agency, we subscribe to alerts and lists that show of things
most folks at home will never see, and there were several patches to MS
products this week - from Exchange/Outlook to IE to Windoze XP to their 2003
server products and so on. We've had to do emergency roll-outs of patches
several times in the last month.

You could push an oil field engine through those holes..........
MS never has just a Maytag sized hole, they do it big when they do it.

That being said - unless you PATCH your operating system on a regular basis
- I do automatic updates every week (and hourly AV definition updates) the
antivirus can't do it all - and can't help if your OS isn't patched.

OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
real outside work finally!
You lucky southerners get to work on your toys year-round. We have to do it
when we can (unless we have the bucks and resources to heat our shops) so
I'm looking forward to some relief from cabin fever - plus finally getting
over whatever has kept me from feeling like even going outside for a couple
of months now.


Bill
Runnells, Iowa



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] antivirus OT

>>Microsoft has not a good reputation for bullet-proof software, and this
week's update/patch (you did get it didn't you?) shows yet another hole for
hackers to exploit. THAT is why all these precautions are necessary, it's
not just us here banging the drum. I don't use any Microsoft software other
than the operating system and Office, everything else is from other places
of supply.<<




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 13 20:43:53 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:43:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
Message-ID: <20060113.204354.356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Glenn.  It sounds like Hit n Miss sent me the short one.  I think
I will cut it in the middle and splice a piece in to make it longer. 
Thanks again for your help.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:07:36 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
writes:
> Ron,
> 
> The detent blade is adjustable back and forth, but I assume you are 
> out of
> adjustment room.  There are two different blades - one for the small 
> engines
> and another for all the rest.  There are also two different blade 
> holders.
> One has one bolt to hold the blade on and the other has two bolts.  
> Each
> takes a different blade.  Get a piece of 3/16" x 3/4" strap iron and 
> make
> one or weld an extension on the one you have.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
>


From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jan 13 20:57:16 2006
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:57:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT/fun stuff
In-Reply-To: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43C884AC.9030702@wiktel.com>

I always thought Iowans were southerners.  Up here in our part of the 
country, 6 miles from the Canadian border, by Lake of the Woods, we 
consider any temperatures above Zero this time of the year as being 
warm.  It's actually been unseasonably "hot" lately, in the 20s and 
lower 30s.
William Olson
Roosevelt, MN

>OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
>real outside work finally!
>You lucky southerners get to work on your toys year-round. We have to do it
>when we can (unless we have the bucks and resources to heat our shops) so
>I'm looking forward to some relief from cabin fever - plus finally getting
>over whatever has kept me from feeling like even going outside for a couple
>of months now.
>
>
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa
>
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Jan 13 22:15:53 2006
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:15:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: 7 Economy
In-Reply-To: <20060113.204354.356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20060113.204354.356.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060114001304.020a1dd8@herculesengines.com>

I've had a similar situation on a couple of my Hercules built 
engines.  What I did was to stand the blade upright in a vice and 
built up braze on the end.  Then I ground it to shape.  I've built up 
as much as 1/2" and it has worked fine.
Keith


At 10:43 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks Glenn.  It sounds like Hit n Miss sent me the short one.  I think
>I will cut it in the middle and splice a piece in to make it longer.
>Thanks again for your help.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:07:36 -0600 "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>writes:
> > Ron,
> >
> > The detent blade is adjustable back and forth, but I assume you are
> > out of
> > adjustment room.  There are two different blades - one for the small
> > engines
> > and another for all the rest.  There are also two different blade
> > holders.
> > One has one bolt to hold the blade on and the other has two bolts.
> > Each
> > takes a different blade.  Get a piece of 3/16" x 3/4" strap iron and
> > make
> > one or weld an extension on the one you have.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn Karch
> > Haubstadt, IN, USA
> > Hercules Historian
> >
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From MarkShattuck at ntelos.net  Fri Jan 13 13:45:23 2006
From: MarkShattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:45:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
	<6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>

Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 1/9/06, Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Bill Chill Out ?  Tom is using AOL they give security if want it of not
>>. I have tryed to turn off there stuff and i can't . If you select don't
>>check my system it still does any way in the back ground . I e-mailed
>>tom OFF list he does not need much of any thing useing AOL . He does not
>>need ad-awere -or norton anything , thing AOL gives Mcafee for free to
>>aol users . he covered . Just turn on your M/S Firewall good to go ..
>>Mark L Shattuck
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Mark:
>
>One of the problems with a closed email group like the engine lists,
>is that as soon as anyone catches a cold, it spreads round the group,
>so we all need to keep an eye on what is happening on our computers,
>whether we understand them or not.
>
>Industry opinions vary on AOL from 'pretty poor' to 'worse than
>useless', but it does suit a lot of people who cannot get involved in
>setting up their own systems for some reason. We've been there, got
>burnt and left it pretty quickly, but looking through the email
>addresses of folks that we deal with, there is probably a 20% - 25%
>usage of AOL, so it must suit them.
>
>Microsoft has not a good reputation for bullet-proof software, and
>this week's update/patch (you did get it didn't you?) shows yet
>another hole for hackers to exploit. THAT is why all these precautions
>are necessary, it's not just us here banging the drum. I don't use any
>Microsoft software other than the operating system and Office,
>everything else is from other places of supply.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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>
>  
>
Peter I don't know were the OLD Mesg came from Please do not pay any 
attention to this post . I am not trying to start another thread on this 
subject . Its Friday the 13Th  . 
                                                                      
Mark L Shattuck


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 00:33:06 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:33:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
	<6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601140033p4a5529c8pc788f90f5d075cc4@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/13/06, Mark L Shattuck <MarkShattuck at ntelos.net> wrote:

> Peter I don't know were the OLD Mesg came from Please do not pay any
> attention to this post . I am not trying to start another thread on this
> subject . Its Friday the 13Th  .
>
> Mark L Shattuck

No problem, you're not superstitious surely? :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan 14 07:55:46 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT
In-Reply-To: <43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
References: <20060108234618.CE9F4303339@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>	<43C1B9BA.1070805@Ntelos.Net>
	<6f6025160601131304i2a4b3d4eye1f0f45701702e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<43C81F73.2090804@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <22db4e7363d642494077fda0d8e38c58@chartertn.net>

> Peter I don't know were the OLD Mesg came from Please do not pay any 
> attention to this post . I am not trying to start another thread on 
> this subject . Its Friday the 13Th  .                                  
>                                     Mark L Shattuck

Those old messages come from someone with a virus-infected PC that's 
got that message archived and the SEL's address in the In box, Sent 
box, browser cache, or Address Book.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 14 15:18:57 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:18:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT, now weather
In-Reply-To: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20060114040901.39B9A30332F@b0642.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43C986E1.2030303@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

>OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
>real outside work finally!
>
Over 50 here today and I did get outside work done. Todd and Dave 
visited Tom across the street and we killed a case of beer. It had to be 
done. Not often we can do that in the back yard in January.

More on topic is the club meeting I attended this morning. Looks like 
our club will have a building by next year. Long time coming and with 
the price of land around here it's the best we can do. I'm looking 
forward to helping with the project. The building will be contracted, 
but the wiring, etc. will be done by club members. Life is good here.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/






From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 14 15:51:30 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:51:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] antivirus OT, now weather
In-Reply-To: <43C986E1.2030303@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060114235130.61067.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

Yesterday, in western New York, we enjoyed blue  skies and temps in the mid 60's.  This day, by contrast, we had  wet snow, high winds, and temperatures in the 20's range.   Yeah....that is "more like it" but such swings are torture.
  While I know this is an "engine" site, some few of you might be  interested to know that (at least) two each of "H's" and "M's" have  come into my orbit.  Varying degrees of (dis) repair and I don't  know if I'll do anything about them.  They are virtually free,  but, then again....
  JM

Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hi all,

>OK, back to fun stuff - supposed to hit 50 here this weekend - maybe some
>real outside work finally!
>
Over 50 here today and I did get outside work done. Todd and Dave 
visited Tom across the street and we killed a case of beer. It had to be 
done. Not often we can do that in the back yard in January.

More on topic is the club meeting I attended this morning. Looks like 
our club will have a building by next year. Long time coming and with 
the price of land around here it's the best we can do. I'm looking 
forward to helping with the project. The building will be contracted, 
but the wiring, etc. will be done by club members. Life is good here.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




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From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jan 15 13:52:07 2006
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:52:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Problem
Message-ID: <200601151652070968.04CA9DDA@heavyiron.atis.net>

My anti-spam/virus service renewed the service over the weekend, including
some changes they made to their offerings since I renewed a year ago, and
there must be a problem with the stationary-engine.com domain.  The other
domains seem to be working fine.    They are aware of the problem and
hopefully will have it fixed by the morning.

I apologize for any inconvenience,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Jan 16 15:51:56 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:51:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] e ngines
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060116154927.01b45c30@mail.pennswoods.net>


>
>Hi people i have for sale 2 hit and miss and 2 power unites. A Sattley 2hp 
>ser.51103 new ek mag runs great. Stover ct1 ser ta222246 1 1/2-2 hp new 
>mag and have a burr mill to go with this one if i can find it all. no.3 is 
>a Nove RF 3 1/4x5 ser. 3356 runs good. no.3 is a leroy 2 cyl don't have 
>numbers yet it has not run for me i think i have timing wrong. all are 
>pick up.$2000.00 for package. The Stover is barn fresh all i have done is 
>some cleaning and mag rebuilt it runs good  The two hit and miss are on 
>trucks but not fancy just 4 wheels and frame.
>Thanks for looking
>R Fink
>PA
>
>





From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 07:23:50 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:23:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
Message-ID: <1e1.4bc50237.30fe6606@aol.com>

I recently acquired a model T type buzz coil I assume was made for an old 
engine.  It has the three terminals on the top rather than 2 on top and one on 
end.  I think the two front terminals are the plus/negative and the one in the 
back is the spark.  The brass connector on the front terminal appears to have 
been for a round rod knife switch, but only a guess on my part.  I have never 
seen one like it.  I also have a round buzz coil which is unusual too if anyone 
interested.  Pictures at:  

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-011s.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-013s.jpg

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 17 09:29:40 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:29:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Reginald has arrived
Message-ID: <200601171933312.SM01808@new.databak.co.za>

Hi the Lists,
         "Reginald" the Ronnie N that Reg organised for me has arrived at 
his new home. I picked him up from the freight agents yesterday afternoon. 
I was actually there before they had even offloaded him from the truck that 
brought him from Durban (port of entry) to Johannesburg (central inland 
city in South Africa) so he was just loaded straight from their truck to my 
pickup.
         We got him home and tinkered a bit and he was soon chuffing along 
quite happily still in his packing crate with temporary cooling (hose pipe).
         He ran for about half an hour and then lost spark. it was late and 
I decided to leave it till today. A friend, Neville Botha came around today 
and in no time the magneto problem was found and sorted out and he is once 
again running quite happily.
         I was going to start his "stripdpwn" and restoration immediately 
but we are having a small show on Sunday and I have decided to give him his 
South African debut there - still in his packing crate with a temporary 
water tank for cooling. I'll then start the restoration next week - not so 
much "restoration" as he is actually in very good condition mechanically - 
it will be more of a good paint job to restore him to his original colour 
(black).
         A friend who owns a sheet metal fabricating shop has already 
started to fabricate a hopper (thanks to all the guys in Aus who gave me 
sizes and pictures) and Steve Kitto from Aus has very kindly given me a 
muffler which is in the post at present. I owe all you guys - thanks for 
the help and support.
         Of course I owe the biggest "Thank You" to Reg Ingold who made 
this whole thing happen in the first place.
         I'll have pics on my site soon and will keep the lists informed.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 17 10:41:28 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:41:28 -0000
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
References: <1e1.4bc50237.30fe6606@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001601c61b95$a1d22a20$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil


> I recently acquired a model T type buzz coil I assume was made for an old 
> engine.  It has the three terminals on the top rather than 2 on top and one on 
> end.  I think the two front terminals are the plus/negative and the one in the 
> back is the spark.  The brass connector on the front terminal appears to have 
> been for a round rod knife switch, but only a guess on my part.  I have never 
> seen one like it.  I also have a round buzz coil which is unusual too if anyone 
> interested.  Pictures at:  
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-011s.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/MVC-013s.jpg
> Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom, 20 years ago I owned an Internation Harvester "Tom Thumb".
I bought it off a Danish friend & after rebuilding  it I needed a Trembler coil.
I had a Ford trembler box but someone had used it for a drilling pad.
The Tom Thumb used a wooden box as trembler & battery container so
I made one using the metalwork from the Ford trembler, (The only thing workable)
I used a standard magneto coil with the Ford trembler mounted above.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/132322556QFbsdF and
the next two pictures. A 6 volt accumulator fits underneath the coil.
I took the pictures 20 years after building it so that is why it looks so tatty!
It was quite easy to make & is still working when required all these years later.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 11:25:28 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:25:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
Message-ID: <129.6c6461f2.30fe9ea8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/17/2006 2:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/132322556QFbsdF >>
Dave,

What does the meter measure, output voltage?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 17 12:40:45 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:40:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
Message-ID: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>

Last week Rob posted on making new brass items that looked like bling, 
turn to look like old parts in short order. About the same time there 
was a thread on old style pipe fittings as well.
Thoroughly inspired by Rob and the need for old style pipe fitting for 
my Stickney fuel pump project, I set about making some modern fittings 
look like old fittings.
First the fittings were chucked in a lathe by screwing a nipple and 
chucking on that nipple. Using a small tool the modern shoulders were 
turned off flush with the rest of the body of the fitting. Well close 
enough anyway. What mismatch I worked out with a small flat file and 
then a round bastard file to leave a rough blending finish. Also put a 
radius on the outside edges.

I had no real aspiration to impose chemical warfare on the neighbors 
'cause they are good folks! While Rob's experiments with phosgene gas 
seemed to have certain entertainment value I decided to try a safer 
route....at least at first!
The idea is to make rust which requres oxygen. Looking thru the chemical 
lab under the sink in the kitchen, there was hydrogen peroxide. Hmm, 
extra oxygen mixed with a little heat ought to make rust real fast. So I 
made a double boiler of sorts on the stove and heated a small glass of 
fittings submerged in hydrogen peroxide. Once things got warm 
considerable bubbling occurred and though I could not see the magic 
occurring beneath the burbling, I was sure to be delighted at the rusty 
fitting being created. After about 20 minutes, I hooked one and brought 
it out of the soup. Dang, it was a clean bright part! In fact there 
wasn't a lick of rust on the fitting anywhere, outside, inside, nowhere! ???
Well I didn't get the intended results, but hell I had discovered 
another method for cleaning parts that's much faster than the 
electrolysis method. This bears more investigation later....

Well now I am holding a couple of real bling looking fittings! What to 
do now? In the winter we run a wood stove constantly and that's free 
heat for the next experiment. A "high tech" hyperbaric chamber was set 
on the stove:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Pot.jpg>

Yup, that's a cast iron pot full of water. The fittings were hung by 
wire and suspended over the water, but not in the water. The top was 
closed over them and I let the fittings cook in the heat and humidity 
for 2 hours.

Pulled them out and wow! I was pleased:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty2.jpg>

and another view:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty1.jpg

So that's it, a little turning, a little filing, and a short time in the 
heat and humidity and viola, you can have fittings that look like they 
are a 100 years old.
If SWMBO will agree I may try some on the kitchen stove or even in the 
dishwasher next.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Haven't tried this with brass yet.










From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 17 12:35:09 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:35:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
In-Reply-To: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
References: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601171530010.4489@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Pretty neat info on the hydrogen peroxide.  I'm gonna have to experiment
with that as a cleaner myself!!

As for the fittings that look too new, you need to revisit Rob & Kelley's
website.  http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis/index.html
"Reverse Electrolysis - Creating an antique patina on new metal parts."

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Curt wrote:

> So I
> made a double boiler of sorts on the stove and heated a small glass of
> fittings submerged in hydrogen peroxide. Once things got warm
> considerable bubbling occurred and though I could not see the magic
> occurring beneath the burbling, I was sure to be delighted at the rusty
> fitting being created. After about 20 minutes, I hooked one and brought
> it out of the soup. Dang, it was a clean bright part! In fact there
> wasn't a lick of rust on the fitting anywhere, outside, inside, nowhere! ???
> Well I didn't get the intended results, but hell I had discovered
> another method for cleaning parts that's much faster than the
> electrolysis method. This bears more investigation later....

<snip>

> Yup, that's a cast iron pot full of water. The fittings were hung by
> wire and suspended over the water, but not in the water. The top was
> closed over them and I let the fittings cook in the heat and humidity
> for 2 hours.



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Tue Jan 17 13:10:28 2006
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:10:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Passing of Tom Hidy (Muncie Oil Engine at Portland, IN Show)_
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A569@email03.bsu.edu>

Tom Hidy of rural Bryant, IN passed away yesterday at age 76.  Tom was the individual mostly responsible for the 1994 restoration of the 55Hp 1915 Muncie Oil Engine owned by and displayed annually at the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor Assn., Portland, IN.  I plan to post a Memorial on Harry's Old Engine Memorials site and will include more information there along with a link to a picture of the Muncie Oil Engine.
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN  USA



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jan 17 13:42:47 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:42:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
References: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601171530010.4489@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <011801c61baf$944b08d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

As the electrolosis method uses Hydrogen bubbles forming on the surface of 
the metal to move the 'overburden', there seems to be a link in there 
somewhere.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "Dusty Erickson" <dme at gameguns.com>; "SEL" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings


> Hi Curt,
>
> Pretty neat info on the hydrogen peroxide.  I'm gonna have to experiment
> with that as a cleaner myself!!




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 17 13:48:33 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:48:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] buzz coil
References: <129.6c6461f2.30fe9ea8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901c61baf$c48b7b60$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] buzz coil


> In a message dated 1/17/2006 2:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
> << http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/132322556QFbsdF 
> What does the meter measure, output voltage?  
> Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom, It is an Old Accumulator charge state Meter. I just took a picture of
it for you  & added it to Webshots. It is connected to the cells with the switch.
The previous address will let you see it or go to 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/545794050/545794050ubaRWu
to see it direct. You will see on top of the box it says " This way up-Acid"
This refers to the 6 volt battery in the box.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 17 14:00:12 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:00:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] The OIL ENGINE MANUAL
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601171652290.4489@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Are you interested in the old British oil engines, but you're not keen on
dropping $160 plus shipping to own a First Edition of this book?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6596132769

Help is at hand.  Go to ABE http://www.abebooks.com/ and put OIL ENGINE
MANUAL into the search box.  Loads of copies (second edition and higher)
starting around $20.  I figger how much could things have changed between
1939 and 1941?  8-))  Enjoy!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan 17 15:14:28 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:14:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
Message-ID: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>


Hi all.  (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)

With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
running on the mag and ignitor today.  First I had to lengthen the detent
blade ?", then set the valve timing, and ignition timing.  Cranked her
over a couple of time and off it went.  I am not happy with the speed
control, the fast adjustment is ok but one notch slower is all it will
move, won't go to the slowest notch.  More adjustment tomorrow.  Life is
good.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 17 16:43:13 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:43:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Hi all:

   I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer stuff 
, I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first 
attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I learn 
more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip or 
two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the space 
til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful 
hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat me 
up if you wish I kinda like it

the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
 Gents start your engines
Rex

Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s 




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Jan 17 17:16:06 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:16:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001001c61bcc$c43788d0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Thats good news Ron , nothing like that first run after all the thinking and 
putterin , kinda like your first kiss all over again , I think we all feel 
the same when we git that ole stuff doing waht it otter.

Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs


>
> Hi all.  (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)
>
> With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
> running on the mag and ignitor today.  >snip< 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jan 17 17:24:52 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:24:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <20060117.202501.1192.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rex,

I think you did a great job on the site.

Except that the 3rd & 4th engine look like the same picture.

Keep up the good work and next you'll learn about "thumbnails".

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 17 20:17:45 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:17:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060117231222.16079398@mail.alltel.net>

Very nice start Rex! I'll bring the proper "tool" to Baraboo this year and 
we can finish the job you have started on that 1937 Model 92 MAYTAG!
         Dave
PS, It worries me a bit that you "kinda like it" when Robe beats you. But 
what the hell there are all kinds of people on this List!
PPS, OM's are GOOD--and so is life!

At 07:43 PM 1/17/2006, you wrote:
>Hi all:
>   I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer 
> stuff , I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is 
> my first attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here 
> on as I learn more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe 
> shoot me a tip or two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is 
> there to fill the space til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in 
> advance for any helpful hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the 
> site And Rob you can beat me up if you wish I kinda like it
>the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>Gents start your engines
>Rex
>Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jan 17 20:22:34 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:22:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <20060117.202501.1192.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060117.202501.1192.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060117231842.1607b300@mail.alltel.net>


>Except that the 3rd & 4th engine look like the same picture.
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

Good doG Joe, read Rex's original post again. The 4th picture is a "place 
holder!"
         Dave
PS, Give Sil a hug for me! 



From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 17 17:50:58 2006
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:50:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000201c61bd1$a1fc0200$2b63fc04@lyle0592c054dd>

Rex, for not knowing much about computers you did a bang up job on your
website. I enjoyed looking at your photos and keep up the good work.
Lyle Myles

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
 . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:43 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website

Hi all:

   I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer stuff 
, I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first 
attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I learn

more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip or

two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the space 
til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful 
hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat me

up if you wish I kinda like it

the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
 Gents start your engines
Rex

Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s 


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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jan 18 01:22:30 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:22:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>

Test only
kerry


From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 18 02:08:37 2006
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:08:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <20060118100837.42632.qmail@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great start Rex well done, it is good to see your
engines.

Kerry 

Lithgow NSW  OZ



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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Jan 18 03:50:51 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:50:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] For your interest
Message-ID: <43CE2B9B.9030903@wightman.ca>

http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=123909&query=retrieval

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jan 18 02:53:25 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:53:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
	<000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>

G'Day All

Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines, still not 
totally finished but I think it has now enough photos to be of some 
interest, the purpose is to be able to see a library of as many Oz built 
engines as possible, I don't think this has been done like this yet and we 
don't have a book like the UK or US has.
Looking for any feed back to improve the site and again thanks to Jim 
Dunmyer

http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html


Also been working on a web site to show others of the area around where I 
live, hope you like the pics and would I love to see pics of other peoples 
areas

http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Lithgow.html

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ

WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/

skype ID:   ozengine 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 18 03:39:19 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:39:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt><000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
	<001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <000f01c61c23$d5521fc0$99422ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

Good one Kerry .......I have some West Australian marine engines not on your 
list so far , I will get them to you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages


> G'Day All
>
> Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines, still not 
> totally finished but I think it has now enough photos to be of some 
> interest, the purpose is to be able to see a library of as many Oz built 
> engines as possible, I don't think this has been done like this yet and we 
> don't have a book like the UK or US has.
> Looking for any feed back to improve the site and again thanks to Jim 
> Dunmyer
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html
>
>
> Also been working on a web site to show others of the area around where I 
> live, hope you like the pics and would I love to see pics of other peoples 
> areas
>
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Lithgow.html
>
> Kerry Morris
> Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
> WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/
>
> skype ID:   ozengine
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 18 03:49:25 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:49:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <011820061149.17131.43CE2B450004F162000042EB21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Rex,
Your site looks really great to me, sure beats anything Ive got.
How come you don't bring your pal "Tiny" to Baraboo?
regards,
Curt Andree


> Hi all:
> 
>    I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer stuff 
> , I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first 
> attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I learn 
> more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip or 
> two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the space 
> til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful 
> hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat me 
> up if you wish I kinda like it
> 
> the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>  Gents start your engines
> Rex
> 
> Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 04:06:50 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:06:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
In-Reply-To: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2157ED3FAD1BF9CD446190C81D0@phx.gbl>

Curt,

I hope Devin doesn't read ALL the mail on this list!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==========================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>....... by screwing a nipple and chucking on that nipple. Using a small 
>tool........
>
>
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC




From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 18 04:41:58 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages/ Morris Engines of Oz Website
In-Reply-To: <001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>	<000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
	<001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <43CE3796.6040703@imc-group.com>

Kerry,
Very nice effort and sure to become a resource for all interested in Oz 
engines. Your work on the Cooper history is outstanding.
A couple of questions:
CT Deutscher & Sons shows the Triumph line and the _GEM line_.
Chas Walker shows the _Star line_
As I recall the Star and GEM are the same engine. What is the history of 
Deutscher and Chas Walker? Both were in Ballarat, Vic.

The Horwood & Bagshaw engine....is this the same company as Bagshaw & 
Sons of Adelaide, SA? Bagshaw & Sons manufactured that beautifully 
restored wine pump that was at the Narracoorte ralley.

As I looked thru all the pictures on your site it was amazing the number 
of these engines I had seen. Not just the same makes, but the exact 
engines. We covered a lot of ground and saw a LOT of engines in 2 weeks 
last March!

Once again thank you for this excellent contribution to the hobby.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Kerry wrote:

> G'Day All
>
> Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines, still not 
> totally finished but I think it has now enough photos to be of some 
> interest, the purpose is to be able to see a library of as many Oz 
> built engines as possible, I don't think this has been done like this 
> yet and we don't have a book like the UK or US has.
> Looking for any feed back to improve the site and again thanks to Jim 
> Dunmyer
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html
>
>
> Also been working on a web site to show others of the area around 
> where I live, hope you like the pics and would I love to see pics of 
> other peoples areas
>
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Lithgow.html
>
> Kerry Morris
> Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
> WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/
>
> skype ID:   ozengine
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 18 05:11:36 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:11:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000701c61bc8$2ca2e540$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <1642.165.206.180.34.1137589896.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Hey, not bad for a first attempt.
TIP: (and take it for what it's worth) Lost the all caps. Makes it harder
to read and discriminate sentences. All caps for page headings if "ok",
but never use it elsewhere. Another tip - all caps also hurts in search
engine results - you are penalized for using all caps in the results if
you want your page to be found.

Bill
Runnells, IA

> Hi all:
>
>    I'm not so good  at following directions when it comes to computer
> stuff
> , I have put up a website with most of my engines on it , this is my first
> attempt and it will only get better (or maybe worse) from here on as I
> learn
> more so bare with me , take a look and get a laugh , maybe shoot me a tip
> or
> two off line , the second pic of the Maytag Twin is there to fill the
> space
> til I get a photo of the Simplicity ,  thanks in advance for any helpful
> hints and yes Dave I Was Sober when I  made the site And Rob you can beat
> me
> up if you wish I kinda like it
>
> the site  http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>  Gents start your engines
> Rex
>
> Ps, maybe I had a couple OM"s
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 05:25:00 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:25:00 EST
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <2b2.30d4a68.30ff9bac@aol.com>

Rex,  

Great looking site and engines!  Was the 1918 Economy E converted from 
Webster to Wico magneto?  I did not think the Wico mag came along till around 1923.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 05:38:21 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:38:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
Message-ID: <f4.608236c2.30ff9ecd@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/18/2006 6:30:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

<< Been working on a new web site for Australian built engines >>

Hi Kerry,

Enjoyed looking/reading about all the Australian engines and makers.  Thanks 
for doing it as there is lots of time and hard work getting it all together.  
Probably not much hope for me ever "getting it all together"!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 07:16:00 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Illinois SEL members / transportation
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23F5306D941AB0AB86A5DEC81D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

I saw a couple ads on Harry's of some water pumps I'd like to buy. They are 
located in Cornell, Illinois which is about 45 miles north of Bloomington or 
60 miles south west of Joliet. Does anybody live in this area that could 
possibly pick them and get them moving via the SEL Express?

http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9317
http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9316

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Jan 18 07:34:37 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Illinois SEL members / transportation
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F23F5306D941AB0AB86A5DEC81D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060118153437.58092.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Luke

I know John and am looking for an excuse to go by his place some time when
I am down that way.  He does setup at the Portland Swap and Show.



Steve
--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Everybody,
 
I saw a couple ads on Harry's of some water pumps I'd like to buy. They
are located in Cornell, Illinois which is about 45 miles north of
Bloomington or 60 miles south west of Joliet. Does anybody live in this
area that could possibly pick them and get them moving via the SEL
Express?

http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9317
http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/9316

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 08:11:04 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1ADA864B618F9D10A9CDCBB1D0@phx.gbl>

Good job Ron.  Sure you'll figger out the speed control.  Be more than glad 
to take some pix's if the sewer backs up.  Have fun playing with different 
gov springs.

   Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet mine down much. 
Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo regarding exhaust 
valve opening.

   For the second BIG SMILE....start her on the back kick (compression). 
That is impressive indeed.


  RickinMt.











>
> Hi all.  (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)
>
> With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
> running on the mag and ignitor today.  First I had to lengthen the detent
> blade ?", then set the valve timing, and ignition timing.  Cranked her
> over a couple of time and off it went.  I am not happy with the speed
> control, the fast adjustment is ok but one notch slower is all it will
> move, won't go to the slowest notch.  More adjustment tomorrow.  Life is
> good. 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 18 07:29:20 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:29:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
Message-ID: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>

The 4th picture is a "place 
holder!"
=        =        =        
Thanks Dave,
My mistake - 
I'm not much for reading.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        
(_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 09:45:17 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:45:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1ADA864B618F9D10A9CDCBB1D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet 
> mine down much. 
> Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo 
> regarding exhaust valve opening.

Hi Rick,
Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
effects.  

Rob









From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 18 10:37:49 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:37:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
Message-ID: <20060118.103749.191.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
I put an automotive glass pack muffler and extension in the vertical
position for shooting tennis balls, and it is very quiet.  Nothing more
irritating than sitting by a loud engine all day.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:04 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> Good job Ron.  Sure you'll figger out the speed control.  Be more 
> than glad 
> to take some pix's if the sewer backs up.  Have fun playing with 
> different 
> gov springs.
> 
>    Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet mine 
> down much. 
> Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo regarding 
> exhaust 
> valve opening.
> 
>    For the second BIG SMILE....start her on the back kick 
> (compression). 
> That is impressive indeed.
> 
> 
>   RickinMt.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 18 10:44:27 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website
In-Reply-To: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060118134347.1610e1e8@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:29 AM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>The 4th picture is a "place
>holder!"
>=        =        =
>Thanks Dave,
>My mistake -
>I'm not much for reading.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

That's OK--but did you give Sil a hug for me?
         Dave 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jan 18 10:46:32 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:46:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
Message-ID: <20060118.104632.191.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rob.
So far I set it on the generic opening, starts to open 35-45degrees
before BDC and closes 5 degrees after ODC.  This is from memory, so I may
be off a  little.  It had no trouble running at 160 rpms on the coil and
plug.
I was looking on the WAPA web site for a picture to send to Rick S. but
can't find it.  What happened to all the old show pictures?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside California USA
http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:45:17 -0800 "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
writes:
> 
> > Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet 
> > mine down much. 
> > Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo 
> > regarding exhaust valve opening.
> 
> Hi Rick,
> Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
> On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
> can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
> effects.  
> 
> Rob


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 18 11:10:11 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:10:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43CE9293.6090308@imc-group.com>

Rob,
For the sake of discussion I've got a couple of questions for you.
The open / dwell time of the cam can't really be adjusted. By jumping a 
few teeth to retard the opening of the exhaust valve you will also 
retard the closing of the exhaust valve at the conclusion of the exhaust 
stroke.
In general I time an engine missing the timing marks by setting the 
_closing_ point of the exhaust valve so that it closed right at or one 
tooth past TDC. I never pay any attention to where it opens. This allows 
a full charge on the intake stroke.
By doing as you suggest the piston will begin traveling back down the 
bore on the intake stroke, sucking burned exhaust gases back into the 
cylinder before the valve fully closes and only then can the intake 
valve be sucked open.
You will have a leaner charge in the cylinder to compress and fire next 
time around. I gather you have tried this and it worked OK? Is this an 
effective means of getting an engine to run slower in addition to being 
quieter?
I have found that ignition timing has a large impact on the bark of an 
engine. Late timing (to allow very slow running) results in a loud bark 
when the exhaust valve opens, and early timing (factory recommended 
setting) makes for a much quieter bark as most of the burning has occurred.
What have you discovered about adjusting the rocker arm adjustment on a 
Hercules/Jaeger? By unscrewing the adjuster you can effectively lessen 
the open time of the exhaust cycle. This would make it close sooner and 
open later and in conjunction with the retarded cam gear position you 
recommend, have you found this makes for a quieter, slower running engine?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Rob Skinner wrote:

>Hi Rick,
>Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
>On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
>can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
>effects.  
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 11:02:06 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:02:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <00d901c61c56$f3b4dec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV25DF2FE14DA7B67C78F53BB1D0@phx.gbl>

yea, mine's probably around 5 degree BBDC.  I'll play around with it some 
more.

'preciate it Rob

RickinMt.


>
> > Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet
> > mine down much.
> > Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo
> > regarding exhaust valve opening.
>
> Hi Rick,
> Have you tried retarding the opening of her exhaust valve?
> On an engine that just loafs along at slow speed, the valve
> can open really close to bottom dead center with no ill
> effects.
>
> Rob 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 11:17:19 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
References: <20060118.103749.191.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV16538E6BDB7591F5C5379ABB1D0@phx.gbl>

IC...ok thanks anyway

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy runs


> Hi Rick.
> I put an automotive glass pack muffler and extension in the vertical
> position for shooting tennis balls, and it is very quiet.  Nothing more
> irritating than sitting by a loud engine all day.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside California USA
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:11:04 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> > Good job Ron.  Sure you'll figger out the speed control.  Be more 
> > than glad 
> > to take some pix's if the sewer backs up.  Have fun playing with 
> > different 
> > gov springs.
> > 
> >    Does yours have a pretty good bark?  Can't seem to quiet mine 
> > down much. 
> > Possibly if you get a round tuit, you could snap a photo regarding 
> > exhaust 
> > valve opening.
> > 
> >    For the second BIG SMILE....start her on the back kick 
> > (compression). 
> > That is impressive indeed.
> > 
> > 
> >   RickinMt.
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 11:38:19 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:38:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Illinois SEL members / transportation
In-Reply-To: <20060118153437.58092.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F868C5CAF5801576C2418BC81D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Steve,

I went ahead and bought the pumps. I spoke with John and he said he might 
not be able to make it to Portland at all this year. If you could pick them 
up some time and hold them until we can get together I would appreciate it. 
Let me know when you plan on going down to see him.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
>
>Luke
>
>I know John and am looking for an excuse to go by his place some time when
>I am down that way.  He does setup at the Portland Swap and Show.
>
>
>Steve




From markshattuck at ntelos.net  Wed Jan 18 05:34:16 2006
From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:34:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <000801c61c10$b4bd30f0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <200601181334.k0IDYCFO023401@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>

Test Mark L Shattuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:23 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] test

Test only
kerry
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 18 16:07:37 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:07:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <200601181334.k0IDYCFO023401@mailrtr04.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <000801c61c8c$5c3ae2c0$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark L Shattuck" <markshattuck at ntelos.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] test


> Test Mark L Shattuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:23 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> Test only
> kerry
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 16:41:44 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:41:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Making old style, old looking black iron pipe fittings
In-Reply-To: <43CD564D.8010203@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <010801c61c91$20d23300$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Pulled them out and wow! I was pleased:
>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty
2.jpg>
> 
> and another view:
>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Rusty/Rusty
1.jpg

Hey Curt, 
Those came out nicely!  So it was just the effect of a
couple hours of steam that did the trick?   

> are a 100 years old.
> If SWMBO will agree I may try some on the kitchen stove or


Just send her off to the market to buy you beer and crisps.
When she's out, use the vegetable steamer.
Good luck!

Here's some more data:
When doing reverse electrolysis, it seems that a sodium
chloride solution eats up the metal but doesn't leave any
color.  A solution of sodium bicarbonate leaves a nice brown
color.  There are other variables, that haven't been
eliminated, but the above seems at this time to be the most
likely factor.

Rob






From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 17:32:37 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43CEEC35.20604@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

This is not snipped. Wanted to keep the original to go with mine. The 
message below did give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Makes all the work I 
do on my site worthwhile when I get something like this. :-)

>Hello. 
>	My name is Terry Gold & I belong to The Dauphin Agricultural
>Heritage Club. We are a group of people interested in old farm equipment &
>restoring items to working condition. 
>	
>	What I was wondering was if we could have your permission to copy
>into print & on to disk, the information on your web site, to share with our
>members.
>
>Sincerely
>Terry Gold
>
Common courtesy is such a simple act, and I assure you I appreciated it. 
Permission was granted.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Jim French wrote:

> As this is still classed as the festive season, I'd just like you to 
> know that there are some folk around who are not low life, thieving 
> scum!  I received this pleasant and unexpected email today:
>
> ******
> Dear Helen,
>
> I am an archaeologist giving a talk at a conference in Japan in 
> January.  Your
> website - http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/balloon.htm - has a lovely 
> image of
> medieval ridge and furrow.  As the taker of the image you hold the 
> copyright. Would you mind if I copied this image to use in my talk?
>
> Best wishes,
> Don Henson
>
> Education and Outreach Officer
> Council for British Archaeology
>
> ***************
>
> Would I have known if he'd simply taken the picture and used it?  
> Never in a million years! What did it cost him to ask?  A few minutes 
> of his time to type the email.
> Needless to say, my answer was yes, and not only that, I uploaded a 
> selection of similar pictures, full resolution, to my website so that 
> he had a choice.
>
> I know this is slightly different, as he won't be making anything from 
> using my photo, but all the same, it makes the world of difference to 
> be ASKED instead of folk just TAKING.
>
> There.  Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy now?
>
> Dolly
>



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Jan 18 19:16:43 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:16:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
References: <20060118.104242.864.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060118134347.1610e1e8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000801c61ca6$c7d91780$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great 
tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of 
most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I 
will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again 
thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your 
special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 19:20:34 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:20:34 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <43CE9293.6090308@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012901c61ca7$514d62a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> For the sake of discussion I've got a couple of questions
for you.

Hi Curt,
I concur with all your observations regarding the timing of
the engine.  The cam profile is fixed, and to change one
event, you must change others.  It's a juggling act.  Keep
in mind you can reduce the valve lift, somewhat, without ill
effects.  

Rob




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 20:59:06 2006
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:59:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <000801c61ca6$c7d91780$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>

Rex
Right now I'm in college at Rhodes State at Lima Ohio. I'm working on a
degree in web design. The college has some real good books that break down
just how to set up your web sites. If you are interested in buying one of
these college books there about one hundred dollar, if interested contact me
at my e-mail address and I'll get you one. Some times they do have used ones
but most college students keep their books because they are so informative
and valuable for future work on web sites. If any other member is interested
you may also contact me. Thanks for such good input on so many different
topics.
Lyle Myles

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
 . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:17 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)

Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great 
tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of 
most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I 
will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again 
thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your 
special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 21:17:29 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:17:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Oiler Needed
Message-ID: <015d01c61cb7$a83c39f0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Does anyone have any oilers like this that they could part
with?
http://temp.rustyiron.com/dusty-oiler.jpg
 
Dusty needs one exactly like this one or a pair that look
close
They are 1/8" pipe thread, about 1.5" tall and 0.75"
diameter.
 
Reply directly to mailto:dme at gameguns.com
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 

 



From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 21:54:13 2006
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:54:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43CF2985.2060704@earthlink.net>

Well, heck, somehow I missed this link to the new website, can you repost it
Clint


Lyle Myles wrote:

>Rex
>Right now I'm in college at Rhodes State at Lima Ohio. I'm working on a
>degree in web design. The college has some real good books that break down
>just how to set up your web sites. If you are interested in buying one of
>these college books there about one hundred dollar, if interested contact me
>at my e-mail address and I'll get you one. Some times they do have used ones
>but most college students keep their books because they are so informative
>and valuable for future work on web sites. If any other member is interested
>you may also contact me. Thanks for such good input on so many different
>topics.
>Lyle Myles
>
>McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
>America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
>chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
>Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:17 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
>
>Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great 
>tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of 
>most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I 
>will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again 
>thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your 
>special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 21:55:29 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:55:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Drip Oiler Needed - Port Hole - Nathan - Austral
Message-ID: <018201c61cbc$f5f6a810$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

G'day mates,
I'm looking for a port hole oiler as would be found on an
early Austral.  The goal is to get two 2.5" oilers that I
think are correct for the engine, or a 3" to match the one
in the following picture.  
 
I'm measuring the extreme outside diameter of the brass.
The glass is about 0.25" smaller in diameter.  
 
Although it goes on an Australian engine, I've been told the
manufacturer is American.  Perhaps it was Nathan.  
 
A picture of an oiler that has been chopped up and modified
can be seen here:
http://temp.rustyiron.com/austral-oiler.jpg
 
Thanks for looking through your parts bins,
Rob
 
 
 
 
 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 18 22:52:04 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:52:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
In-Reply-To: <001401c61c1d$685bbdf0$ceba1dd3@morris>
Message-ID: <01a601c61cc4$dd4c9830$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Been working on a new web site for Australian built
engines, 

Hi Kerry, 
That's fabulous!  When you blokes are talking about your
engines, we dwellers of the North often don't know what
you're talking about.  Your web page will help bridge the
divide.

> Also been working on a web site to show others of the area

> around where I live, hope you like the pics and would I
love to see pics of 
> other peoples areas

Gorgeous.  The pictures of the rocks make my fingers sweat
:-)  

Here's some picture's from our hood:
http://temp.rustyiron.com/puentehills   Hills behind our
neighborhood
http://temp.rustyiron.com/barstow    About two hours north
of here  
http://www.rustyiron.com/gobiland.html  Fun places

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 









From guitronics at comcast.net  Thu Jan 19 00:57:07 2006
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:57:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <43CEEC35.20604@earthlink.net>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>	<43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
	<43CEEC35.20604@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43CF5463.5080902@comcast.net>

This is how things should work....

               mike


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 19 01:12:25 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:12:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] NHMA  contact please.
Message-ID: <000301c61cd8$7a70e310$1e80a33a@ogborneuah38i3>

Could anyone in Australia please give me a contact for the NHMA. The page 
for the 2007 National does not give a contact for the National 
body.........not that I could see .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 19 01:29:10 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:29:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: new web site for Australian built engines
Message-ID: <000d01c61cda$cd96d3e0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Kerry,

It's a great start! I may be able to help with Mars and McDonald pics if you are in need. I am working on a Mordiesel and can give you a photo if you wish.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Jan 19 03:47:34 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:47:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Woodpecker engine
Message-ID: <01c201c61cee$2386aa60$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>


Subject: Re: Woodpecker engine


 Larry,

 To my knowledge there is no S/N dating list of the Woodpecker engines.
 Mike O'Malley (sp) in MA is very knowledgeable of what years some models
 were made. My files are upstairs in my barn. When I can catch a day that
 the temperature gets above zero I will get them and make a copy for you.
 This literature is mostly on the company and the different models that
 they made.

 Charlie Bryant
 From Central Maine where after yestertday
 its darn hard sledding. Heavy rains of several hours
 took all the snow off the ground and winds gusting
 to 60 mph blew all the sheet metal roofing off my
 "Hen House Pad" (at least its shut down the snow mobiles)


 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Larry K @ SmokStak" <larrykastens at hotmail.com>
 >>
>> This is the message:
>>
>> Charlie,
>> Is there a possibility of buying a copy of information on a 1 1/2 or 2 
>> hp. Woodpecker K?  Was the tag oval-shaped or rectangular?
>>
>> Is there a list of serial numbers and the corresponding years?  I am 
>> looking for the range of numbers for a 1915 Woodpecker.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Larry Kastens
>> Hereford, AZ



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jan 19 04:38:41 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:38:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Web Pages
References: <01a601c61cc4$dd4c9830$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <00d401c61cf5$474d6ea0$ceba1dd3@morris>

G'Day Rob

>
> Hi Kerry,
> That's fabulous!  When you blokes are talking about your
> engines, we dwellers of the North often don't know what
> you're talking about.

Rob that not supprising WE often don't know what we are talking about either 
:-))

>
> Gorgeous.  The pictures of the rocks make my fingers sweat

I did not know you were a rock hanger, well done and thanks for the links 
around your area (BIG FORD) and the photos of you on cliff faces blows me 
away, you certainly live an eventfull life

All the best

Kerry

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ

WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/

skype ID:   ozengine


PS. after months of problems posting to the SEL now working again fine after 
Spencer reported anti-spam/virus service renewed the service.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jan 19 04:59:32 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:59:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000801c61ca6$c7d91780$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
	<000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <3052.165.206.180.34.1137675572.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

There is a TON of info posted by some Major universities on the web - for
free. Studies on usability, design, etc. They have done a TON of research
(mostly government grants, I'm sure, Dave)
My son HAS that degree - he designs web sites and logos for companies.
Well, he did until he found you have to be really lucky and live in the
right place to make anything - he's now in Korea teaching English making
more money.
He also said most customers were real turkeys that couldn't make up their
mind, or had it made up all too well and had crazy thoughts on web sites.
Said the work sucked, the headaches weren't worth it.
I sort of agree - I did it myself for a few years, then decided to do it
just for me and a choice few others.
It's more fun doing for yourself than for others who are clueless and
think flash, large animations and blinking neon text are cool.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> Rex
> Right now I'm in college at Rhodes State at Lima Ohio. I'm working on a
> degree in web design. The college has some real good books that break down
> just how to set up your web sites. If you are interested in buying one of
> these college books there about one hundred dollar, if interested contact
> me
> at my e-mail address and I'll get you one. Some times they do have used
> ones
> but most college students keep their books because they are so informative
> and valuable for future work on web sites. If any other member is
> interested
> you may also contact me. Thanks for such good input on so many different
> topics.
> Lyle Myles
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:17 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my website post , You all gave me some great
> tips and I used your advice and the site is a little better,  got rid of
> most of the caps , lined up the captions and added a little info , now I
> will leave it be for a spell while I learn thunbnails and such , again
> thanks gang your replies were too kind , and yes Dave you may use your
> special tool on the maytag , did you ever try to open a ole mil  with it ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] My dumb engine website
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 19 10:55:21 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:55:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint code
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV12A3B18C52023946916BFCBB1C0@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;

  FYI..the Dupont paint code K9791..maroon is still a good number although 
only available in Nason.

                             G9348..olive is also a good number.

  bottom line..he will mix up pints for me at Carquest.  This is good!!

  RickinMt. 


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 19 13:56:12 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:56:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
References: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<43CF2985.2060704@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001301c61d43$2c25ffe0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Clint wrote

> Well, heck, somehow I missed this link to the new website, can you repost 
> it
> Clint  <snip>
>
> Here it is again Clint
http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines


Rex
> 




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Jan 19 17:21:30 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:21:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting item on ebay...wonder where these photos came
	from?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060119183313.007ee800@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <20060120012130.48440.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Take a look at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HIT-AND-MISS-MACHINE-ENGINE-GAS-MOTOR-STEAM_W0QQitemZ7583040505

I think another collector who had problems with another engine dealer
using their lister pictures is where they came from.

Steve

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan 19 18:10:31 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:10:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Interesting item on ebay...wonder where these photos came
	from?
In-Reply-To: <20060120012130.48440.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023501c61d66$b26dd550$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
> Take a look at:
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/HIT-AND-MISS-MACHINE-ENGINE-GAS-MOTOR-ST
EA
> M_W0QQitemZ7583040505
> 
> I think another collector who had problems with another
engine dealer
> using their lister pictures is where they came from.



I'd recognize those engines anywhere.  
They belong to Steve Gray and the images 
came off his web site.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 








From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 19 18:13:01 2006
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:13:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Economy runs
In-Reply-To: <20060117.151428.1180.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20060120021301.56329.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ron,
   
  Congrats on getting it running.
  When I fired up my 1928, 1-1/2hp Hercules S a couple three years ago it was a fast runner.  I pulled the stiff spring out of the Governor and put a much lighter one in.
   
  Now I fire it up on the fast setting and after a couple minutes I can move it to the medium setting.  I have to let it run for about a half hour before I can put it to the lowest setting.
   
  I might be done playing with slowing it down though after belting it up to my two hole corn sheller. I am even considering looking for a slightly stiffer spring to put in the Governor. Not as stiff as the one that was in there though.  As it is now I can stop the engine if I feed both sides fast.
   
  The sheller I am using is a very cool older one with the shaker screen under it.  I really wish I had got a picture of it working.
   
  Alan Bowen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
  
Hi all. (This has been bouncing since Saturday, I'll try again)

With a big thanks to Glenn, Keith, Rick, Tom and all, I got the Economy
running on the mag and ignitor today. First I had to lengthen the detent
blade ?", then set the valve timing, and ignition timing. Cranked her
over a couple of time and off it went. I am not happy with the speed
control, the fast adjustment is ok but one notch slower is all it will
move, won't go to the slowest notch. More adjustment tomorrow. Life is
good.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
  


		
---------------------------------
Yahoo! Photos
 Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.

From driggars at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 19 20:02:59 2006
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:02:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] My dumb engine website (now updated)
In-Reply-To: <001301c61d43$2c25ffe0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <000001c61cb5$1458a590$a6b85904@lyle0592c054dd>	<43CF2985.2060704@earthlink.net>
	<001301c61d43$2c25ffe0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <43D060F3.2080404@earthlink.net>

Rex

ah yes, very nice

Clint


Rex Hinz wrote:

> Clint wrote
>
>> Well, heck, somehow I missed this link to the new website, can you 
>> repost it
>> Clint  <snip>
>>
>> Here it is again Clint
>
> http://fp1.centurytel.net/Rexs-old-engines
>
>
> Rex
>
>>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 08:14:04 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:14:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
Message-ID: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

A couple of really nice engines there.

View this Item on eBay at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597331030
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Ruston Hornsby stationary engine
11 h.p. open crank single cylinder Type 1ZHR
Item number: 6597331030
-----------------------------------------------------------------

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598234233
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Vintage 12 h.p. Lister stationary engine
Twin cylinder Diesel type CS 12/2
Item number: 6598234233
-----------------------------------------------------------------

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 21 09:12:30 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:12:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>

Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.

Tommy Turner




>Hi Folks,
>
>A couple of really nice engines there.
>
>View this Item on eBay at 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597331030
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Ruston Hornsby stationary engine
>11 h.p. open crank single cylinder Type 1ZHR
>Item number: 6597331030
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598234233
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Vintage 12 h.p. Lister stationary engine
>Twin cylinder Diesel type CS 12/2
>Item number: 6598234233
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Sat Jan 21 10:17:54 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:17:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>

Dear Tommy - Does one of the photo show part of the name tag saying it 
was made in India?

Regards,

Bob

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> A couple of really nice engines there.
>>
>> View this Item on eBay at 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597331030
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Ruston Hornsby stationary engine
>> 11 h.p. open crank single cylinder Type 1ZHR
>> Item number: 6597331030
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> View this Item on eBay at
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6598234233
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Vintage 12 h.p. Lister stationary engine
>> Twin cylinder Diesel type CS 12/2
>> Item number: 6598234233
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jan 21 10:21:35 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:21:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.

Tommy,
Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
to bring 'em over.

Rob









From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 10:37:33 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:37:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/21/06, Bob W7AVK <rsrolfne at atnet.net> wrote:
> Dear Tommy - Does one of the photo show part of the name tag saying it
> was made in India?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> > Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
> >
> > Tommy Turner

Yes it does, Ruston & Hornsby set up an Indian subsidiary which made
many of the engine ranges up until they stopped production.

This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
caps etc etc.

The drive wheel and grooved belt  is for the electric brake which
would have been supplied with the engine as part of the thermodynamics
test rig. We have that wheel with our engine also, plus we have the
electric dynamometer as well.

The curious thing about these engines is that the cranksjaft is so
bl**dy long!  it is as wide as it is long, there must be nearly a foot
of spare crankshaft sticking out each side.

Another owner contacted us last week with an almost identical engine.
Seems that hard times are flushing out a few nice lumps.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 21 12:15:32 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:15:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>

I know Rob but I've never done the shipping from across the water thing 
and I really like to look at an old hunk of iron before I buy it.  The 
prices on them seem real reasonable to me.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>>Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
>>    
>>
>
>Tommy,
>Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
>to bring 'em over.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 21 13:47:39 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:47:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>


>This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
>1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
>caps etc etc.
>Peter

Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
engine List!
         Dave 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan 21 13:46:24 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:46:24 EST
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[SEL]=20Sattley=201=BC=20HP=20Status?=
Message-ID: <2c2.2583a04.310405b0@aol.com>

Hi List,
It was a good day, the Sattley 1? HP runs.  
I was a little surprised to find out that this engine is throttle  governed.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Jan 21 14:40:05 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:40:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com><43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net><6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002301c61edb$a12893e0$0184dccb@oemcomputer>

YES!!!!!!!!!1
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:47
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay


> 
> >This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
> >1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
> >caps etc etc.
> >Peter
> 
> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
> engine List!
>          Dave 
> 
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 15:33:30 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:33:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>

Hi Dave,

I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless 
of genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly not 
modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I doubt 
that I would be considered a collectible antique.

Jeff
PS. 50F in Denver
PPS. Hope the Steelers kick ass so I don't have to put up with two weeks 
of "American Football" BS in this town!!!
PPPS. Less than a month away from Daytona. :-) :-)

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>> This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
>> 1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
>> caps etc etc.
>> Peter
>
>
> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
> engine List!
>         Dave
>



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 21 16:37:52 2006
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:07:52 +1030
Subject: [SEL] a 3 min clip of a listeroid running
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com><43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4155505156623488980&q=engine



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 16:41:04 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:41:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com><43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
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	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00b401c61eec$874be150$918cf504@Ed>

I have decided to pass up the Fair-Banks Morse ZC  that I found in South 
Texas because it was made about 1953 to 1959 for the same reason, but it 
sure had nice 46 inch flywheels on it. The parts might be worth a lot to 
someone.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay


> Hi Dave,
>
> I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless of 
> genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly not 
> modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I doubt that 
> I would be considered a collectible antique.
>
> Jeff
> PS. 50F in Denver
> PPS. Hope the Steelers kick ass so I don't have to put up with two weeks 
> of "American Football" BS in this town!!!
> PPPS. Less than a month away from Daytona. :-) :-)
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>>
>>> This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
>>> 1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
>>> caps etc etc.
>>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique 
>> engine List!
>>         Dave
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 21 17:51:13 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:51:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>

Sorry Jeff, But NOTHING produced prior to 1937 is antique!
         Dave
PS, Steelers 31, Denver 21!
PPS, Zolfo in less than 38 days!

At 06:33 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless of 
>genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly not 
>modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I doubt that 
>I would be considered a collectible antique.
>
>Jeff
>PS. 50F in Denver
>PPS. Hope the Steelers kick ass so I don't have to put up with two weeks 
>of "American Football" BS in this town!!!
>PPPS. Less than a month away from Daytona. :-) :-)
>
>Jeff Allen



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 14:26:22 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:26:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1137882382.43d2b50eedc25@webmail.city-net.com>

Tommy,

All you need to do is rent a container.  Hell, you'd probably have room for a
few more goodies.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 14:44:42 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:44:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Tommy,

This just keeps getting better and better.  Head over to England!!  It's a very
fun country to visit, great beer, better people, and loads of really
interesting old iron.  Trust me on this, shipping old iron to our side of the
pond ain't that complicated.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> I know Rob but I've never done the shipping from across the water thing 
> and I really like to look at an old hunk of iron before I buy it.  The 
> prices on them seem real reasonable to me.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
> 
> >>Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
> >>    
> >Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
> >to bring 'em over.



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Jan 21 18:25:35 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:25:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com><43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net><6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net><43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Doncha mean after??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay


> Sorry Jeff, But NOTHING produced prior to 1937 is antique!
>         Dave




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 21 18:48:44 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>

What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the 
ship would sink!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hey Tommy,
>
>This just keeps getting better and better.  Head over to England!!  It's a very
>fun country to visit, great beer, better people, and loads of really
>interesting old iron.  Trust me on this, shipping old iron to our side of the
>pond ain't that complicated.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>I know Rob but I've never done the shipping from across the water thing 
>>and I really like to look at an old hunk of iron before I buy it.  The 
>>prices on them seem real reasonable to me.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, Ky
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>Darn Arnie, I wished those babies were in the US.
>>>>   
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Those engines CAN be in the U.S., and you're just the bloke
>>>to bring 'em over.
>>>      
>>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Jan 21 18:51:42 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:51:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>
	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>

Well Jeff, where guns are concerned in the U.S., anything made before 
1898 is an antique. (That probably qualifies Dave, but not many more of 
us.) Anything over 50 years old qualifies as a curio or relic. So, I 
guess the question is: Are you a curio, or a relic?

John

On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique regardless 
> of genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and certainly 
> not modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an antique. I 
> doubt that I would be considered a collectible antique.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 21 19:35:49 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:35:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1137900949.43d2fd9525063@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

It depends on the size of the container, where it's being shipped from and where
it's being shipped to.  The best thing to do is to visit a couple of shipping
company web sites or call 'em to get a quickie estimate.

Rather than the ship sinking, your container would probably be on deck instead
of in a hold, and just go over the side.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the 
> ship would sink!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Jan 21 19:40:48 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:40:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>
	<009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121224029.16455e58@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:25 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>Doncha mean after??
>Reg & Marg Ingold.

Yup--MY BAD!
         Dave 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 21:31:28 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:31:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1137900949.43d2fd9525063@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
	<1137900949.43d2fd9525063@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43D318B0.7000504@earthlink.net>

Hi Tommy,

I think an engine left OZ to South Africa and made it with help of the 
list. Sure worth a shot if you want it. Hell, I'm looking at an LB that 
needs a home right now.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>It depends on the size of the container, where it's being shipped from and where
>it's being shipped to.  The best thing to do is to visit a couple of shipping
>company web sites or call 'em to get a quickie estimate.
>
>Rather than the ship sinking, your container would probably be on deck instead
>of in a hold, and just go over the side.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the 
>>ship would sink!
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 21:51:28 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:51:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43D31D60.5020800@earthlink.net>

Hells bells John,

I am a relic.

> something that has survived from a long time ago, often a part of 
> something old that has remained when the rest of it has decayed or 
> been destroyed

Jeff
PS Dave R. Steelers 17, Donkeys 3

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



John Culp wrote:

> Well Jeff, where guns are concerned in the U.S., anything made before 
> 1898 is an antique. (That probably qualifies Dave, but not many more 
> of us.) Anything over 50 years old qualifies as a curio or relic. So, 
> I guess the question is: Are you a curio, or a relic?
>
> John
>
> On Jan 21, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think anything over 50 years old is considered an antique 
>> regardless of genre. This one may be on the edge, but it's close, and 
>> certainly not modern. Hell, using the rule of 50 years make me an 
>> antique. I doubt that I would be considered a collectible antique.
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:19:36 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:19:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
References: <035501c61eb7$84be4bb0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<43D29664.9050505@scrtc.com>
	<1137883482.43d2b95a1e060@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D2F28C.8030501@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220019k2aa1571an7b2ad15aab4fa585@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> What does a container cost to ship to the US Arnie?  With my luck, the
> ship would sink!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY

40ft container to California was about ?3K to ?4K without handling
charges. YMMV as Jim Dunmyer says.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:20:27 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:20:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121224029.16455e58@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121204735.163f5fa0@mail.alltel.net>
	<009801c61efb$23e829c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121224029.16455e58@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220020l16001da5u8391e96c9c5157e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> At 09:25 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
> >Doncha mean after??
> >Reg & Marg Ingold.
>
> Yup--MY BAD!
>          Dave

Don't worry, Dave, we'll  make allowances for your age....:-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:24:48 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:24:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com> <43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>
	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220024n15185175l14acbe098b8db769@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/21/06, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >This one is an ex-college engine, same as ours, and should be a late
> >1950's or early 1960's engine judging by the plastic oil reservoir
> >caps etc etc.
> >Peter
>
> Who the hell would want a modern engine? I thought this was an antique
> engine List!
>          Dave
>

Yes, but if I wasn't truthful about the age, you would not know by
looking would you?

The Ruston HR range was made from the 1930's up to the 1960's. The
Lister CS and JP engines were also made over that range, in fact the
Lister 8/1 and 16/2 diesels went up to the 1970's as Iran was buying
them for oil and water pumping sets.

I can't recall the life span of the Lister D petrol engine, but it had
a 40+ year life span.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 22 01:01:02 2006
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:01:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Age?
Message-ID: <000801c61f32$5f563970$1b2a693a@fred>

Hi,
Can anyone help with the age of Hornsby eng No.45083.
also Hornsby eng No.46702.
Thanks.
Brian in Melbourne.

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:14:15 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:14:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Age?
In-Reply-To: <000801c61f32$5f563970$1b2a693a@fred>
References: <000801c61f32$5f563970$1b2a693a@fred>
Message-ID: <6f6025160601220714n77707967n124e1f7581cf17fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, Brian Watts <briwatt at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone help with the age of Hornsby eng No.45083.
> also Hornsby eng No.46702.
> Thanks.
> Brian in Melbourne.

Ray Hooley is your man:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/ruston

Ray's contact details are on the site.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 22 10:19:09 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:19:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
In-Reply-To: <43D31D60.5020800@earthlink.net>
References: <1137860044.43d25dcc11ea7@webmail.city-net.com>	<43D26B7E.7040801@scrtc.com>	<43D27AD2.9070706@atnet.net>	<6f6025160601211037m144f007el572810654b3931ea@mail.gmail.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20060121164625.163a7670@mail.alltel.net>	<43D2C4CA.9030508@earthlink.net>
	<317f145b2556e99538ff4a5e76d982f4@chartertn.net>
	<43D31D60.5020800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6b5e80e2c24e112a711d4c6ee2d0f5c4@chartertn.net>

I prefer to think of myself as a curio.

cu?ri?o ??  ?
n. pl. cu?ri?os
  A curious or unusual object of art or piece of bric-a-brac.

[Short for curiosity.]

curio

n : something unusual -- perhaps worthy of collecting [syn: curiosity, 
oddity, oddment, peculiarity, rarity]

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hells bells John,
>
> I am a relic.
>
>> something that has survived from a long time ago, often a part of 
>> something old that has remained when the rest of it has decayed or 
>> been destroyed


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan 22 11:41:40 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:41:40 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re:12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay/Now Oz to S.A.
In-Reply-To: <200601221700.k0MH05Ts006087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060122212134.00aba090@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 22/01/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 20
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:31:28 -0700
>From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 hp Lister & 11 hp Ruston Hornsby on eBay
>
>Hi Tommy,
>
>I think an engine left OZ to South Africa and made it with help of the
>list. Sure worth a shot if you want it. Hell, I'm looking at an LB that
>needs a home right now.
>
>Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff,
         That would be my Ronnie N you are referring to and yes I did ask 
the List or help in getting it over from Aus to S.A. but although I had 
many helpful suggestions from the list I was not able to get it over "on 
the cheap" and in the end used a local Freight Forwarding Company. Although 
this was quite costly it was the best decision in the end as they do all 
the paperwork and iron out any problems. The whole thing went off pretty 
painlessly with their expertise.
         The list members have been very helpful with info on this engine 
and of course it would never have happened in the first place if it was not 
for Reg Ingold. Then Steve Kitto has posted me a spare muffler that he had 
and many other list members have offered help for which I am extremely 
grateful.
         Bear in mind also that mine is a small engine and probably weighs 
less than the Cylinder Head of the Ruston & Hornsby in question.

         Getting back to my Ronnie N - It arrived earlier this week 
(Monday) and went to it's first South African show today - still in it's 
shipping crate but running (Great carpentry Reg :-)) .

         I'll post pics soon. This was just a get together on a local farm 
and actually is more of a Bike and vintage car show but there were about 15 
engines. Unfortunately the day ended in tragedy when one of the bikers lost 
control of his bike and was killed.



Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Jan 22 19:33:33 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:33:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
Message-ID: <000801c61fcd$cd8e7560$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Here's an old booklet for you. 
http://literature.rustyiron.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 20:15:37 2006
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:15:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
Message-ID: <194.4f0cd11c.3105b269@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/22/2006 9:53:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:

Here's  an old booklet for you.  
http://literature.rustyiron.com



Hi Rob,
Very nice!  Thank you.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 23 00:18:15 2006
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:18:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Magneto for Hornsby.OZ.
Message-ID: <000801c61ff5$8fd027f0$e495eedc@fred>

Hi ,
can anyone help me purchase a Bosch Low Tension Magneto for a 6HP. Hornsby.
Brian in Melbourne

From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jan 23 08:50:24 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:50:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
Message-ID: <20060123.115027.324.9.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rob,

Went to see the book and it led me to your Rusty Iron Site.

Excellent site !!!

I only had a few minutes to view.

Need to come back later.

Great Job.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        
(_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Mon Jan 23 14:42:59 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:42:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <001c01c6206e$5da56690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Test only.

Ron

From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Mon Jan 23 15:08:38 2006
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:08:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] amusing Ebay item
Message-ID: <300ED8F2-8C65-11DA-8186-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

7581235305    Got a chuckle out of this one....  Guess Hit'n'miss and 
Otto bettter start charging for catalogs

Paul Gray



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 23 15:22:52 2006
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:52:52 +1030
Subject: [SEL] another video clip. (17 mins) not mine
Message-ID: <002f01c62073$ef5c76a0$32c88890@chaos>

Here is another video, runs for 17 mins.
  Allen's Adironkack (sp) Engine Show, takes place in 2004 in Bakers Mills,
NY.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-215102171687627389 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 23 16:22:20 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:22:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio
Message-ID: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>

This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From l-d-holderman at kconline.com  Mon Jan 23 16:42:22 2006
From: l-d-holderman at kconline.com (Larry Holderman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:42:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gas Engine Magazines  past issues
Message-ID: <001501c6207f$0f5f3130$d783f1d8@lholderman>

I have a friend that is selling several years of past issues of Gas Engine
Magazines on Ebay right now.  Check out Ebay number 758396712 and click on
other items that he has to sell and you will find several more GEM to finsh
out your collection.


Larry Holderman
Warsaw, Indiana




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 23 16:55:43 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:55:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] amusing Ebay item
In-Reply-To: <300ED8F2-8C65-11DA-8186-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
References: <300ED8F2-8C65-11DA-8186-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601231954430.28018@vegeta.city-net.com>

HOLY COW!!  And to think all these years I've been tossing the old
catalogs away!!  Man am I a dummy!!

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote:

> 7581235305    Got a chuckle out of this one....  Guess Hit'n'miss and
> Otto bettter start charging for catalogs



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 23 17:43:35 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:43:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL
  radio
In-Reply-To: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060123204120.16678e80@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
>Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations in OZ!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan 23 18:13:19 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:13:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 49 Uses For A Farm Engine - Old Booklet
In-Reply-To: <20060123.115027.324.9.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c6208b$c024ad90$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Need to come back later.

Come back anytime, Joe.  We're open 24/7, and don't charge
by the hour.

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 












From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jan 23 20:58:14 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:14 +0800
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL  radio
References: <001701c6207c$5275c040$73cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060123204120.16678e80@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001301c620a2$cc78d6e0$a0288795@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes Dave ,Wireless stations we do have .....some receivers are pedal 
operated. We also have sheep stations and railway stations ....once we even 
had Whaling stations !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio


> At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
>>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
>>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
>>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
>>Peter Ogborne
>
> Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations in 
> OZ!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 23 22:24:11 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:24:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D Carburator
Message-ID: <001401c620ae$ca968be0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

Can anyone help me locate a Schebler D carburettor, 1.5inch size? I need it for the McDonald 25HP single cylinder I am restoring.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au
Arcadia, NSW, Australia


From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Jan 24 15:04:59 2006
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:04:59 +0800
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL  radio
In-Reply-To: <001301c620a2$cc78d6e0$a0288795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4js9r6$h30iet@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>

Hey,steady on Peter,you'll have him completely confused. 
He'd be another of those "furriner's that think the Canning Stock Route is
an annual event. Or at least hope it was.
Ray Freeman
Perth Western Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 12:58 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio

Yes Dave ,Wireless stations we do have .....some receivers are pedal 
operated. We also have sheep stations and railway stations ....once we even 
had Whaling stations !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio


> At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just 
>>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a 
>>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are made 
>>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
>>Peter Ogborne
>
> Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations in 
> OZ!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Tue Jan 24 15:47:46 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:47:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL  radio
References: <4js9r6$h30iet@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <002801c62140$9462e310$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Not to mention the Long Yard.

Ron
Canberra ACT

----- Original Message -----
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio


> Hey,steady on Peter,you'll have him completely confused.
> He'd be another of those "furriner's that think the Canning Stock Route is
> an annual event. Or at least hope it was.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth Western Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter
ogborne
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 12:58 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio
>
> Yes Dave ,Wireless stations we do have .....some receivers are pedal
> operated. We also have sheep stations and railway stations ....once we
even
> had Whaling stations !
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] quite off topic ..''.but what the hell''.....PAL radio
>
>
> > At 07:22 PM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
> >>This is about as relevant as pictures of ice .............I have just
> >>purchased a small radio ,a PAL TIVOLI ,just AM and FM bands but what a
> >>radio!!! Fantastic sound and quality .......expensive  but $$$'s are
made
> >>round to go round .Made in the Good Old US ,quite some radio!
> >>Peter Ogborne
> >
> > Hi Peter, GREAT news! I'm delighted that you final have radio stations
in
> > OZ!
> >         Dave
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan 24 19:28:50 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:28:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <e10bt1hlv48h44g5raqrb464kb1a3860jd@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c6215f$763f2fa0$871117d1@net.telenet.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Mulhollan" <smulholl at yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> I'm looking for a starting crank for a 1-1/2 HP Economy hit-and-miss
> engine. It has a 1-1/4" shaft with a 5/16" keyway. If somebody has one
> or can point me in the right direction to find one it would be greatly
> appreciated. Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Jan 24 20:52:51 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:52:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>

Hi List,
Well, the Fairbanks Morse dishpan that I got at Christmas ran today  for the 
first time.  It needed a fuel tank and the magneto required  re-charging.  I 
finished installing the tank and fuel line with check valve  this afternoon.  
Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and then 
the sweet sound of it chugging away began.
The previous owner told me that the last time this engine ran was  about ten 
years ago.  It was a good thing for me that he had kept the  engine under 
cover for all these years.  It made the job of getting engine  into a running 
condition little easier.
   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Jan 24 21:14:58 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:14:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003401c6216e$4a52d720$9184dccb@oemcomputer>

Congrats on getting your engine going.It's always satisfying.I have a
dishpan F/M with original truck to get going one day.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:52
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


> Hi List,
> Well, the Fairbanks Morse dishpan that I got at Christmas ran today  for
the
> first time.  It needed a fuel tank and the magneto required  re-charging.
I
> finished installing the tank and fuel line with check valve  this
afternoon.
> Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and
then
> the sweet sound of it chugging away began.
> The previous owner told me that the last time this engine ran was  about
ten
> years ago.  It was a good thing for me that he had kept the  engine under
> cover for all these years.  It made the job of getting engine  into a
running
> condition little easier.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From segray at mlode.com  Tue Jan 24 23:11:09 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:11:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>
References: <2b.26542ae.31085e23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43D7248D.1000903@mlode.com>

Hi Francis -

  Good to hear another FMC is now among the living. I have it's older 
brother, a 1916 headless 1 1/2 HP "Z" out in the shop now that is now 
(admittedly overly) restored and only needing gas, oil, water and a wire 
to the ignitor to fire it for the first time in many a moon. It was a 
FULL restoration from pouring new babbitt to rewinding the mag armature 
(first time I've tried that), to a complete cart fab. Had to fabricate 
several small parts for this one. Pictures are at:

http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/headless2.jpg
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/headless3.jpg
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/headless4.jpg

See you in Tulare?

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi List,
>Well, the Fairbanks Morse dishpan that I got at Christmas ran today  for the 
>first time.  It needed a fuel tank and the magneto required  re-charging.  I 
>finished installing the tank and fuel line with check valve  this afternoon.  
>Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and then 
>the sweet sound of it chugging away began.
>The previous owner told me that the last time this engine ran was  about ten 
>years ago.  It was a good thing for me that he had kept the  engine under 
>cover for all these years.  It made the job of getting engine  into a running 
>condition little easier.
>   
>
>Francis  Maciel
>Santa Maria, CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Jan 25 00:47:45 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:47:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
Message-ID: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

To all OZ members

I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit, trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.  

Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.

Ron   

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 25 02:18:12 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:18:12 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue..beware!
References: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <001301c62198$a9d9b2c0$79412ecb@ogborneuah38i3>

Ron ,you have left yourself wide open in saying that you have no knowledge
of virtue.
Beware of D Rotigel.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> To all OZ members
>
> I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any
> information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
>
> Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
>
> Ron
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Jan 25 02:45:12 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:45:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue..beware!
References: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<001301c62198$a9d9b2c0$79412ecb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <016001c6219c$765d7950$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Peter

Not wrong there.  However I have broad shoulders or a thick skull.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue..beware!


> Ron ,you have left yourself wide open in saying that you have no knowledge
> of virtue.
> Beware of D Rotigel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:47 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
>
>
> > To all OZ members
> >
> > I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
any
> > information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> > trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> > about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> >
> > Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> >
> > Ron
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 06:58:01 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:58:01 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 12:03:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:

<< Then, I poured some gas into the tank, cranked it over a  few time, and 
then 
 the sweet sound of it chugging away began. >>


Way to go Francis!  I need to get in my shop and do some of that work too!  
Maybe in another month after my beagles quit chasing rabbits.

Lots of long hours for nice shinny work on your headless Steve!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Jan 25 07:05:45 2006
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:05:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <e10bt1hlv48h44g5raqrb464kb1a3860jd@4ax.com>
	<00d501c6215f$763f2fa0$871117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c621c0$d4333140$87ef123f@oemcomputer>

Steve,

If you have to yank on the flywheels very much, something else needs fixing.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "Engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Mulhollan" <smulholl at yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:22 PM
> Subject: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
>
>
> > I'm looking for a starting crank for a 1-1/2 HP Economy hit-and-miss
> > engine. It has a 1-1/4" shaft with a 5/16" keyway. If somebody has one
> > or can point me in the right direction to find one it would be greatly
> > appreciated. Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 07:31:38 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:31:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <7e.795d3774.3108f3da@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 11:33:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
segray at mlode.com writes:

See you  in Tulare?



Steve,
I hope to be there and see you again.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 07:42:25 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:42:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <1f5.1a62c270.3108f661@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 7:03:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:

Way to  go Francis!  I need to get in my shop and do some of that work  too!


Tom,
I have several other projects to finish some day.  But, it is  more fun 
working on a new acquisitions.  This Fairbanks Morse  Dishpan is my third open 
crankshaft engine.   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 07:47:21 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:47:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <2ce.236e925.3108f789@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:

I have  a
dishpan F/M with original truck to get going one  day.



Edd,
My engine has the oval metal base.  I haven't seen any dishpan  on a truck.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 25 08:02:42 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:02:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
Message-ID: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Steve,

I have no idea how old you are or even, what you look like.
However, I must value you as a friend.
I'm 61 and this old iron is getting heavier every year.

There has been much discussion on the list about hand cranks.
I had 2 in my lifetime.  I now have only one for my Stover CT-1.
I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

Last September at the Stumptown Steam Threshers Reunion, in New Athens,
Ohio a man with a trailer full of engines ( a seasoned veteran ) was
starting one of them on the trailer with a hand crank.  For some reason
the engine misfired and the hand crank came around and hit the guy in the
side of his face.  
It broke his jaw and cheek bones.  His head sweld up so bad his eye
popped out.
He was taken to the local hospital in Ohio and later flown to a hospital
in Pittsburgh so they could operate.

I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

My Witte is my hardeset starting engine and I run it on kerosene.
When it misfires and kicks backwards, when starting,  that engine jumps
up in the air and reminds me of the power that is transferred to the
flywheel.  

I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

Real simple - IT'S TOO DAMN DANGEROUS !!!

If you want it for DISPLAY PURPOSES ONLY - - - GREAT !!!
But you said "Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!"

I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jan 25 09:32:51 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:32:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com>
References: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>

Hi Tom-

I definitely got carried away, this time! All I have to say is, I 
shouldn't have any problems finding a smooth surface to put the water 
transfer decals on! It's a far cry from what I had to start with. Got to 
thinking the other day (that's dangerous); this is restoration # 22 for 
me. Yikes!!

CYA

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

><snip>
>
>Lots of long hours for nice shinny work on your headless Steve!
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>
>
>  
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Jan 25 09:34:11 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:34:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <2ce.236e925.3108f789@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200601251734.k0PHYInW017241@mail-gw.fsr.net>



Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
FRM8198 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:

I have  a
dishpan F/M with original truck to get going one  day.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Edd,
My engine has the oval metal base.  I haven't seen any dishpan  on a truck.


Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

~~~~~~~~~~~

I haven't seen a dishpan on a truck, but I've seen a dishpan truck.  It
showed up at a machine shop auction.  An old-timer had thrown away the
engine and bolted a sheet of plywood to the oval frame and had been using it
for his all-purpose shop cart.  

Not only did I want the cart, but I wanted that oval; mine was badly rusted.


To make a long story short, somebody else wanted that cart, too.  I dropped
out of the bidding at $275!  

The auctioneer and most of the crowd didn't understand what all the
excitement was about.  It's the only dishpan cart I've ever seen out here in
the boonies.  

Regards,

Orrin





From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Jan 25 10:27:01 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>
References: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com> <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <43D7C2F5.2080205@imc-group.com>

Steve,
Gawd that is gorgeous work! Yes the backing on the WT decals should just 
disappear on your slicked surface.
Wow, 22 restorations? In how many years? I can't seem to get but 1 done 
every couple of years! :-(
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Gray wrote:

> Hi Tom-
>
> I definitely got carried away, this time! All I have to say is, I 
> shouldn't have any problems finding a smooth surface to put the water 
> transfer decals on! It's a far cry from what I had to start with. Got 
> to thinking the other day (that's dangerous); this is restoration # 22 
> for me. Yikes!!
>
> CYA
>
> - Steve
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 10:46:30 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:46:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>

Francis/Orrin,

What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I have 
probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin made 
reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in BRB, 
but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks Dave, 
but I already guessed it was oval!!

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 10:54:35 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:54:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <25d.5b70f9b.3109236b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 1:35:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< I can't seem to get but 1 done 
 every couple of years! >>


Curt, 

You are ahead of me now.  All I seem to do is get them running in as is 
condition, or tear them apart fix/order some things and then let them sit 
unassembled.  Maybe I need to quit letting my dogs chase rabbits so I have more time to 
do other things!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 11:03:26 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:03:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers
Message-ID: <196.4fb8e37f.3109257e@aol.com>

3 bearing scrapers no one has bid on yet.  3 hours left

http://cgi.ebay.com/Three-Machinist-Scrapers-Old-Tools_W0QQitemZ7582971972QQca
tegoryZ633QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 25 10:43:36 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:43:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251323000.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Joe,

Danger is what you make it.  If we were all so worried about potential
danger, we'd be in a different hobby.  I won't bore everyone with all of
the possible ways that our beloved old iron can hurt us.  I think we know,
although we probably don't dwell on it.

I think that any of us who have been in the hobby over five years can cite
examples of someone who has been hurt by every one of those "potential
dangers."  And we can all cite wonderful gory details.

The simple fact is that we get hurt when we get careless.

It's not the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the spinning
flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.  It's a person
who got careless.

I routinely use a hand crank on roughly half of my engines.  It's the
easiest way to start those engines; and on four of 'em, its the ONLY
way.  In ten years I've gotten whacked by a crank exactly once.  And guess
what?  I got careless.

We routinely make observations of US and English engine shows without
fences (compared to the Aussie shows with fences) and show no
wild increase in spectator injuries.

So it is with hand cranks.  When you walk around an English engine show
it's really rare to see a guy pulling flywheels.  They use hand cranks.
I've never seen anyone get whacked or seen folks with grevious hand crank
induced injuries.

A hand crank isn't some mysterious instrument of the devil.  It's a tool.
Just like a power drill or circular saw.  If you're not careful, it can
hurt you.  If you are careful, it won't.

Now, go be a man and go grab your crank!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

<parts snipped>
> There has been much discussion on the list about hand cranks.
> I had 2 in my lifetime.  I now have only one for my Stover CT-1.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
> Real simple - IT'S TOO DAMN DANGEROUS !!!
> If you want it for DISPLAY PURPOSES ONLY - - - GREAT !!!
> But you said "Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!"
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 25 11:19:59 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:19:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cheap engine on ebay
Message-ID: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>

There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see 
many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 25 11:21:41 2006
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:21:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013501c621e4$94538740$50248347@D6R3D961>

I have one of those oval bases out in the shop, It has a bent spot, but very 
repairable

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


> Francis/Orrin,
>
> What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I 
> have
> probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin 
> made
> reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in 
> BRB,
> but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks 
> Dave,
> but I already guessed it was oval!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Jan 25 11:58:23 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:58:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251323000.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251323000.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <2707.165.206.180.34.1138219103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Gotta go with arnie here - I've been cranking tractors and engines since I
was a kid of how small. Been hit once in the leg (when I was a few years
younger) - I got "scared" and didn't handle it properly - getting scared
is what hurt me.
Some of the low tension or rotary mag engines can be a beast if you don't
use the crank.

Most like the Alamo/Rock Island, Chapman (battery ignition) and others
like them start with a couple flips of the flywheel.
It's a beast to try to get my IH M going that way.

I don't worry about it - I keep the shafts in good shape, the cranks in
good condition and use them properly.
I try to start those I can without a crank, but those that are difficult
get cranked.
 Will I get hurt? Maybe. But my son lost his eye (when he was 21) crossing
the street in front of his home one evening when a mugger slugged him
with a gun and crushed his face and eye.



> Hi Joe,
>
> Danger is what you make it.  If we were all so worried about potential
> danger, we'd be in a different hobby.  I won't bore everyone with all of
> the possible ways that our beloved old iron can hurt us.  I think we know,
> although we probably don't dwell on it.
>
> I think that any of us who have been in the hobby over five years can cite
> examples of someone who has been hurt by every one of those "potential
> dangers."  And we can all cite wonderful gory details.
>
> The simple fact is that we get hurt when we get careless.
>
> It's not the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the spinning
> flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.  It's a person
> who got careless.
>
> I routinely use a hand crank on roughly half of my engines.  It's the
> easiest way to start those engines; and on four of 'em, its the ONLY
> way.  In ten years I've gotten whacked by a crank exactly once.  And guess
> what?  I got careless.
>
> We routinely make observations of US and English engine shows without
> fences (compared to the Aussie shows with fences) and show no
> wild increase in spectator injuries.
>
> So it is with hand cranks.  When you walk around an English engine show
> it's really rare to see a guy pulling flywheels.  They use hand cranks.
> I've never seen anyone get whacked or seen folks with grevious hand crank
> induced injuries.
>
> A hand crank isn't some mysterious instrument of the devil.  It's a tool.
> Just like a power drill or circular saw.  If you're not careful, it can
> hurt you.  If you are careful, it won't.
>
> Now, go be a man and go grab your crank!!  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Jan 25 12:41:13 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:41:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status

Francis/Orrin,

What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I have 
probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin
made 
reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in
BRB, 
but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks
Dave, 
but I already guessed it was oval!!

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
~~~~~~~~~

Oval might be a bit of a misnomer, but it's the easiest way to describe
them.  

Imagine a piece of light weight channel iron made out of sheet metal.  Now,
imagine it bent to form two parallel sides with semi-circular ends.  That's
about as good a description that I can manage.  

The cart I bid on was obviously "factory."  The brackets that bolted to the
oval were either cast or forged to conform to the shape of the frame.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From segray at mlode.com  Wed Jan 25 12:46:22 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:46:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <43D7C2F5.2080205@imc-group.com>
References: <2d8.1593c5e.3108ebf9@aol.com> <43D7B643.8020506@mlode.com>
	<43D7C2F5.2080205@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43D7E39E.9080701@mlode.com>

Thanks, Curt -

  Actually, I've been slacking the last few years, basically since I 
moved up here in 2000, but I guess that averages out to be about 1 1/2 
to 2 restorations per year since 1991. The restoration part of the hobby 
is what got me started in this stuff in the first place and gives me 
something to do during the winter. This year, I've hit the jackpot with 
3 full/semi full restorations going at the same time. I've also been 
brewing some ideas on some custom model designs.

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Curt wrote:

> Steve,
> Gawd that is gorgeous work! Yes the backing on the WT decals should 
> just disappear on your slicked surface.
> Wow, 22 restorations? In how many years? I can't seem to get but 1 
> done every couple of years! :-(
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 25 12:34:53 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:34:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Cheap engine on ebay
In-Reply-To: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
References: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601251531040.50127@vegeta.city-net.com>

FWIW, that seller seems to be a really good guy.  I had emailed him asking
if he could possibly send me some pics of how the screen cooler on the
tank was constructed as I want to do something similar for my Bessemer
half-breed.  He took and emailed me about a dozen detailed pics.  GOOD
engine man!!  I think you'd be able to trust what he says about the
engine.  It looks like a really nice example of a Cushman.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see
> many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 25 13:47:38 2006
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:47:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan base
References: <200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <01de01c621f8$f857d6b0$50248347@D6R3D961>

I have posted a couple pictures of the base I have, is this the one you guys 
are talking about?
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ


Subject: RE: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
> Francis/Orrin,
>
> What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?
> Imagine a piece of light weight channel iron made out of sheet metal. 
> Now,
> imagine it bent to form two parallel sides with semi-circular ends. 
> That's
> about as good a description that I can manage.
>
> The cart I bid on was obviously "factory."  The brackets that bolted to 
> the
> oval were either cast or forged to conform to the shape of the frame.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Jan 25 14:12:41 2006
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:12:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status-Oval Base picture
In-Reply-To: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
References: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060125140941.028b3ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Tom,

Take a look at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/fmovalbase/
to see a picture I scanned from Wendel's book on Fairbanks Morse 
history.  It shows the oval base with factory trucks.

Regards,
Larry Evans

At 10:46 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:
>Francis/Orrin,
>
>What exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the dishpans?  I have
>probably seen them at shows but never paid any attention to them.  Orrin made
>reference to the trucks having the oval base already on it.  I looked in BRB,
>but did not see anything that caught my eye, but maybe overlooked. Thanks 
>Dave,
>but I already guessed it was oval!!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom Schmutz

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:35:29 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:35:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan base
Message-ID: <200.11039199.31095731@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 2:03:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
solarrog at pacbell.net writes:

I have  posted a couple pictures of the base I have, is this the one you guys 
are  talking about?


Roger,
Your base for the dishpan is similar to one I have.  Thanks  for posting it.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:40:40 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:40:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <1fe.10fdf99b.31095868@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:10:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Germoamer at aol.com writes:

What  exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the  dishpans? 


Tom,
Roger has posted a picture of the base.  Here is the URL for  his site:
< _http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0_ 
(http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0)   >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:51:53 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:51:53 EST
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
Message-ID: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:47:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

It's not  the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the  spinning
flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.   It's a person
who got careless.


Arnie,
How true your words are!  I have the hand to prove it.   Yes, I tangled with 
crankshaft on my Economy.  I forgot that the Economy  had an open crankshaft.  
While trying to start it with an electric motor,  my hand slip into the 
crankshaft turning area.  Heck, it only took a trip  to the ER and ten stitches 
this time.  This is the same hand that tried to  stop my 4?" grinder.  I spent 
two days in the hospital with this boo boo.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:28:15 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:28:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <1fe.10fdf99b.31095868@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c62207$05a73f00$db85dccb@oemcomputer>

On page 73 of Fairbanks Morse 100 years of engine technology by Wendel there
is a pic of a dishpan on its original truck.This is the same as mine
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:40
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


>
> In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:10:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> Germoamer at aol.com writes:
>
> What  exactly does the "oval metal base" look like for the  dishpans?
>
>
> Tom,
> Roger has posted a picture of the base.  Here is the URL for  his site:
> < _http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0_
> (http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32060719&f=0)   >
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 25 15:33:41 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:33:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Bill Strickland's Article In American Rifleman
Message-ID: <276464a91b46c5e968f3fb48865b8bd6@chartertn.net>

I just noticed in my new American Rifleman that there's a historical 
article about the Army's commissioning of the development of the 
.30-378 Weatherby, written by our fellow old iron nut Bill Strickland. 
The special rifle was used in high speed projectile research headed up 
by Bill's dad, also named William Strickland. This research was 
critical in the development of modern antitank projectiles and armor. 
They used special light projectiles of various materials, loaded up to 
muzzle velocities of 6000 FPS or so, fired into various targets at a 
range of 10 feet as very high speed movie cameras recorded the impacts. 
That's about as high a muzzle velocity as can be practically attained 
with smokeless rifle propellants, though light gas guns have achieved 
projectile velocities up to 19000 FPS or so.

Way to go, Bill! Very interesting article.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:33:25 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:33:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
Message-ID: <000901c62207$c0559ef0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>

All the best to those of our members in the eastern states who are 
experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I 
would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:41:43 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:41:43 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>

OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your whole 
hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the remaining 
fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks ,it puts that 
thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and thumb on one side of 
the handle just does not feel as comfortable...........your thoughts?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>
> In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:47:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
>
> It's not  the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the 
> spinning
> flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.   It's a 
> person
> who got careless.
>
>
> Arnie,
> How true your words are!  I have the hand to prove it.   Yes, I tangled 
> with
> crankshaft on my Economy.  I forgot that the Economy  had an open 
> crankshaft.
> While trying to start it with an electric motor,  my hand slip into the
> crankshaft turning area.  Heck, it only took a trip  to the ER and ten 
> stitches
> this time.  This is the same hand that tried to  stop my 4?" grinder.  I 
> spent
> two days in the hospital with this boo boo.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 25 15:44:43 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:44:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
In-Reply-To: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <20060125234437.QJWJ1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Ron,
	Moffat-Virtue were the exlusive NSW agents for the Austral Oil
Engines. They even had their own name plates on the engines different to
those Australs sold in other states. Here is the one on my 1917 engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/australlargeplate.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

To all OZ members

I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any
information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.  

Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.

Ron   




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 16:32:30 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:32:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <000901c62207$c0559ef0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20060126003230.31538.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are threatened.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  All the best to those of our members in the eastern states who are 
experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I 
would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 25 16:32:56 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:32:56 -0000
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c62210$0e75cc60$0b4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:47:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
It's not  the evil hand crank, or the heavy ackward engine, or the  spinning
flywheels, or the moving crankshaft, or the ungarded gears.   It's a person
who got careless.
Arnie,
How true your words are!  I have the hand to prove it.   Yes, I tangled with
crankshaft on my Economy.  I forgot that the Economy  had an open crankshaft.
While trying to start it with an electric motor,  my hand slip into the
crankshaft turning area.  Heck, it only took a trip  to the ER and ten stitches
this time.  This is the same hand that tried to  stop my 4?" grinder.  I spent
two days in the hospital with this boo boo.
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


In my 30 years of Engine restoration I have only had 3 big mishaps.
On the first engine I restored ( A 3 HP Lister A) I didn't know about
how important it was to check the timing before trying to start a new
engine with a crank. I did survive OK but the pain took a while to go away.
(PS Remember to keep you thumb on the same side of the handle as your fingers)
I haven't had any other serious problems with starting handles since.
Later I slipped on a muddy field when downloading with my trailer winch  &
I kissed the towbar on the way down.
The third time I was unloading a large engine from my trailer at 45 Degrees
when the handle slipped out of my hand & first time round smashed the watch
my family bought me for my 21'st birthday. I still have it as a reminder!
The second time round it caught the back of my hand as I pulled it away & I had
a hand twice the normal size for weeks after. The run away engine missed any objects!!
Overall I think I have been quite lucky for all those years of pleasure.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Jan 25 16:45:12 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:45:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
In-Reply-To: <200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <15d.5fe29720.31092186@aol.com>
	<200601252041.k0PKfKmS006515@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060125194249.022af508@mail.alltel.net>


>Dave,
>but I already guessed it was oval!!
>Tom Schmutz

By Golly Tom, You're not all that dumb after all. I never did believe all 
those people who told me that you were stuck on stupid!
         Dave 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 25 16:57:53 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:57:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
	<002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>

That gripping with all digits on one side only works when you're giving 
just a quick upward pull on a crank, as you did with a Model T. If 
you've got to crank to spin up a heavy set of flywheels, you'll lose 
your grip on the crank and are more likely to smack yourself. Heavy 
flywheels won't allow a fast enough back-kick to endanger the thumb.

John

On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:41 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your 
> whole hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the 
> remaining fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks 
> ,it puts that thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and 
> thumb on one side of the handle just does not feel as 
> comfortable...........your thoughts?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 17:10:45 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:10:45 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status-Oval Base picture
Message-ID: <1ab.46e69d19.31097b95@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 5:33:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lfevans at pacbell.net writes:

<< to see a picture I scanned from Wendel's book on Fairbanks Morse  >>

 Larry,

Thanks!  I forgot I had that great book too and could have looked in it.  
Maybe I could blame it on turning 62!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Jan 25 17:13:20 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:13:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Bill Strickland's Article In American Rifleman
References: <276464a91b46c5e968f3fb48865b8bd6@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001901c62215$b2a12280$c21117d1@net.telenet.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Bill Strickland's Article In American Rifleman


> I just noticed in my new American Rifleman that there's a historical
> article about the Army's commissioning of the development of the
> .30-378 Weatherby, written by our fellow old iron nut Bill Strickland.
> The special rifle was used in high speed projectile research headed up
> by Bill's dad, also named William Strickland. This research was
> critical in the development of modern antitank projectiles and armor.
> They used special light projectiles of various materials, loaded up to
> muzzle velocities of 6000 FPS or so, fired into various targets at a
> range of 10 feet as very high speed movie cameras recorded the
impacts.
> That's about as high a muzzle velocity as can be practically attained
> with smokeless rifle propellants, though light gas guns have achieved
> projectile velocities up to 19000 FPS or so.
>
> Way to go, Bill! Very interesting article.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

Yep it was a good article. Except for the part about throwing the stock
in the TRASH....

Steve W.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 17:16:55 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:16:55 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <5b.79200a4f.31097d07@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/25/2006 8:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< You're not all that dumb after all. >>


Thanks Dave, I needed those words of encouragement!  I was beginning to doubt 
myself!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Wed Jan 25 17:49:44 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:49:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <20060125.110244.916.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c6221a$cb613f80$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

Engine crank ? ???    well I guess its up to the owner and how hard his head 
is , I got hit in the head more then once and I came up with the conclusion 
" IT HURTS " but luckley I had a couple Ole Mils in me and the crank had 
more dammage then me , I now start my engines without and its more fum , I;m 
also 60 years but if I use the crank much longer I won't make 61 ,  lets 
hear some  other ways you who have been collecting  longer use to start an 
engines with out the crank ? that won't hurt us younger generation pupils
Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> Hi Steve,
>
> I have no idea how old you are or even, what you look like.
> However, I must value you as a friend.
> I'm 61 and this old iron is getting heavier every year.
>
> There has been much discussion on the list about hand cranks.
> I had 2 in my lifetime.  I now have only one for my Stover CT-1.
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> Last September at the Stumptown Steam Threshers Reunion, in New Athens,
> Ohio a man with a trailer full of engines ( a seasoned veteran ) was
> starting one of them on the trailer with a hand crank.  For some reason
> the engine misfired and the hand crank came around and hit the guy in the
> side of his face.
> It broke his jaw and cheek bones.  His head sweld up so bad his eye
> popped out.
> He was taken to the local hospital in Ohio and later flown to a hospital
> in Pittsburgh so they could operate.
>
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> My Witte is my hardeset starting engine and I run it on kerosene.
> When it misfires and kicks backwards, when starting,  that engine jumps
> up in the air and reminds me of the power that is transferred to the
> flywheel.
>
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> Real simple - IT'S TOO DAMN DANGEROUS !!!
>
> If you want it for DISPLAY PURPOSES ONLY - - - GREAT !!!
> But you said "Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!"
>
> I have NEVER used a hand crank to start a flywheel engine.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/
> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
> the work."
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> 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 18:49:43 2006
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:49:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <001a01c6221a$cb613f80$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <20060126024943.67048.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
   
  With all the discusion on this topic I haven't seen any CCs to the feller with the request so I emailed him.
  I did read a couple replies aimed at Steve W.
  He was just passing along a request from another Steve.
   
  See below,,
   
  I emailed Steve Mulhollan and told him how easy it is to start my Hercules engines with the flywheels.  He got right back to me and said he is in a wheel chair and flipping flywheels is very hard for him.  Cranking on the side will give him easy access to the mixer  too.
   
  I sent him the info from my Hit-M-Miss catalog.
   
  Seems like cranking along side a wheelchair should keep the crank away from his face.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Mulhollan" <smulholl at yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


> I'm looking for a starting crank for a 1-1/2 HP Economy hit-and-miss
> engine. It has a 1-1/4" shaft with a 5/16" keyway. If somebody has one
> or can point me in the right direction to find one it would be greatly
> appreciated. Yanking on the flywheel to start it is getting old fast!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve



		
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 25 21:02:43 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:02:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
Message-ID: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Arnie,

Thanks for the reply - 
You and I both know the dangers all too well.

I don't know Steve - But sounds like he has an engine that doesn't want
to start too easily.
Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.

I am thoroughly convinced that YOU know what YOU'RE doing.
You will also notice that when YOU use a crank - I don't stand in line
with YOUR flywheels.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Jan 25 21:19:30 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:19:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.002213.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Peter,

Hey - I don't mean to get into a pissin' match with this.
I don't care how you hold your hand.
That won't protect your head - or - arm - or - legs - or other people.

It's real simple - D O N ' T.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Jan 25 23:25:52 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:25:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
References: <20060125234437.QJWJ1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <007701c62249$bddafc00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks Patrick.  Any thing like this is of help.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> Hi Ron,
> Moffat-Virtue were the exlusive NSW agents for the Austral Oil
> Engines. They even had their own name plates on the engines different to
> those Australs sold in other states. Here is the one on my 1917 engine:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/australlargeplate.JPG
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
>
> To all OZ members
>
> I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any
> information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
>
> Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
>
> Ron
>
>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Jan 26 00:08:52 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:08:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: [Fwd: stolen macdonald diesel engine]] AUS/VIC
Message-ID: <43D88394.5010507@steamengine.com.au>

Be on the lookout for this engine...




Date: 	Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:57:26 +1100 (EST)
From: 	chantal moisley <cmm_acm at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: 	stolen macdonald diesel engine


Hello,

Just writing to advise of the theft of a MacDonald diesel engine.  This
engine was taken from a water pump shed located in Park Orchards
Melbourne between 24th to 26th of May 2005.  Unfortunately it was not
discovered missing until later, but we were able to approximately
ascertain when it went.  The engine is a Macs diesel with AH McDonald
Richmond Vic cast on the block.  It is a Model 1042CQ.  I don't have the
engine number, but we have another identical engine that was bought at
the same time with the engine number 2145 so I assume its number would
be close.  An identifying feature is the fuel tank which was repaired
around March 1998 using lead wiping to cover the rust holes that had
developed.  The engine  is in good running order and was operating
occasionally a dam water pump.

Any help would be appreciated and a reward will be paid for help in
locating this engine.

Thanking you.
Tony Moisley


-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jan 26 01:12:38 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 04:12:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
Message-ID: <236.5c86928.3109ec86@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:

I have a
dishpan  F/M with original truck to get going one day.



Edd,
Here is an interesting site on Darryl Boyd's
Fairbanks Morse  Dishpan engine restoration:
 
< _http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html_ 
(http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html)    >
 
The information contained in this site help me understand how this  engine is 
assembled.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Jan 26 03:15:06 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:15:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] And a Not Cheap engine on ebay
In-Reply-To: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
References: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43D8AF3A.10008@wightman.ca>

Here is something you don't see for sale oftern.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7583599684&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX

Duncan



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see 
> many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 
>
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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-- 
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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Jan 26 02:14:23 2006
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:14:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status
References: <236.5c86928.3109ec86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c62261$49056420$5284dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanking you.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:12
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Dishpan Status


>
> In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:33:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes:
>
> I have a
> dishpan  F/M with original truck to get going one day.
>
>
>
> Edd,
> Here is an interesting site on Darryl Boyd's
> Fairbanks Morse  Dishpan engine restoration:
>
> < _http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html_
> (http://www.boydhouse.com/hitandmiss/index.html)    >
>
> The information contained in this site help me understand how this  engine
is
> assembled.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 02:48:21 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:48:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <20060126.002213.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c62266$0a239330$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I just asked a simple bloody question!It would seem that you have a bit of a 
problem with flywheels and cranks Joe.
Take it easy, we all absorbed your diatribe on the hazards. If the subject 
of the thread upsets you .......then I might suggest that you ignore it , go 
and have a nap.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


> Thanks Peter,
>
> Hey - I don't mean to get into a pissin' match with this.
> I don't care how you hold your hand.
> That won't protect your head - or - arm - or - legs - or other people.
>
> It's real simple - D O N ' T.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/
> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
> the work."
> _______________________________________________
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 02:54:37 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:54:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
References: <20060126003230.31538.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c62266$ea159790$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

James ,I would say that ''bush fires '' are the equivalent to your forest 
fires. Prairie fires would be like our grass fires.
Eucalypts [ Gum Trees] of which there are many varieties are very volatile 
as I suppose are your Pine Trees or are they Fir Trees?
One of our members ,Cam Grundy is a volunteer fire fighter ,unsung hero's in 
my book.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest 
> fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are 
> threatened.
>  JM
>
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  All the best to those of 
> our members in the eastern states who are
> experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I
> would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 03:42:14 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:42:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <004b01c62266$ea159790$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

PO-
  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  James ,I would say that ''bush fires '' are the equivalent to your forest 
fires. Prairie fires would be like our grass fires.
Eucalypts [ Gum Trees] of which there are many varieties are very volatile 
as I suppose are your Pine Trees or are they Fir Trees?
One of our members ,Cam Grundy is a volunteer fire fighter ,unsung hero's in 
my book.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest 
> fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are 
> threatened.
>  JM
>
> peter ogborne  wrote:  All the best to those of 
> our members in the eastern states who are
> experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I
> would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 26 03:45:48 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:45:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] And a Not Cheap engine on ebay
References: <43D7CF5F.3030903@scrtc.com> <43D8AF3A.10008@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <014701c6226e$0d2bf790$5f11fea9@merlin>

yeah id like it im just checking  my small change ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Denman" <canuckiron at wightman.ca>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] And a Not Cheap engine on ebay


> Here is something you don't see for sale oftern.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7583599684&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX
>
> Duncan
>
>
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> There is a pretty good buy on a Cushman engine on ebay.  You don't see 
>> many (anymore at least) that have the original skids, cooling tower, etc.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cushman-4hp-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engine-w-Water-Tower_W0QQitemZ7583029058QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Duncan Denman
> Ayton, Ontario
> Canada
> Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
> Home Page
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch
>
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Thu Jan 26 03:54:57 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:54:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
Message-ID: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day All  
today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my wbshots page . 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 26 05:03:03 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:03:03 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c62278$d8f96240$0b4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a 
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named 
> Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two 
> survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music. 
> You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James 
> Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 05:23:24 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
References: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <002401c6227b$b2d54180$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Your right Brock .....It's AUSTRALIA DAY!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The SEL email 
discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Australia day


> G,day All
> today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors 
> tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has 
> been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my 
> wbshots page .
> Brock Summerfield
> ACT Australia
> brock at netspeed.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Thu Jan 26 05:34:59 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:34:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43D8D003.7000701@atnet.net>

Good Day - In 1910 the Pacific North Western part of the United States 
experienced a grand daddy of a forest fire that went into several states 
and burned until the snows came that winter.  Lots has been written and 
lore about it.  Check out http://www.idahoforests.org/fires2.htm  One is 
of Pulaski.  Do a google.

BTW - The fire area has regrown, been logged, and regrown again in the 
100 years.

Regards,

Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA, USA

James Moran wrote:
> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
>   JM
> 
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  James ,I would say that ''bush fires '' are the equivalent to your forest 
> fires. Prairie fires would be like our grass fires.
> Eucalypts [ Gum Trees] of which there are many varieties are very volatile 
> as I suppose are your Pine Trees or are they Fir Trees?
> One of our members ,Cam Grundy is a volunteer fire fighter ,unsung hero's in 
> my book.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moran" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
> 
> 
> 
>>When you use the term "bush fires" is this akin to  North American forest 
>>fires or prairie fires?  My sympathies to  any and all that are 
>>threatened.
>> JM
>>
>>peter ogborne  wrote:  All the best to those of 
>>our members in the eastern states who are
>>experiencing bush fires and temperatures of 43c . Hope you are all OK .I
>>would say that Cam Grundy is in the thick of it,good on ya mate!
>>Peter Ogborne
>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>West Australia
>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 05:39:14 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:39:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV8DDCCAE4F64AD370376BBBB150@phx.gbl>

Approximately 20 miles north of me..."Mann Gulch Fire of 1949"

http://forestry.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=forestry&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fs.fed.us%2Frm%2Fpubs%2Fint_gtr299%2Findex.html

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no 
> idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune 
> called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon 
> a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that 
> went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that 
> day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of 
> his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You 
> can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the 
> acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard 
> Shindell. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 05:47:46 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:47:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
References: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV127A951400DA91734A8C02BB150@phx.gbl>

Thanks Brock..nice to be reminded that grass is green <vbg>

Great coffee fix this a.m.!!

RickinMt.




G,day All
today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors 
tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has been 
a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my wbshots 
page .
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 06:12:58 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:12:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <000501c62278$d8f96240$0b4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <20060126141258.10191.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

DC-
 Fascinating that a Brit is familiar with  this piece.  The Keelaghan rendition closes with a riff from  "Shenandoah"...do you know that piece as well?
 I have found that  there is a high level of interest and awareness of American folk music  in England, particularly that of Texas and the South West.
 "Cold  Missouri Water" is a moving piece and, if those interested would take  the time to do so, a good listen would be a worthwhile  experience.  Thanks for the download offer.
  JM

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case. I have no  idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a 
>  folk-style tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find  compelling. Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named 
> Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two 
>  survived the ordeal, including Dodge who bore the guilt of his fallen  comrades for years. Quite a story and piece of music. 
> You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James 
> Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Jan 26 06:23:44 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:23:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200601261423.k0QENp9h094701@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James Moran
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia

PO-
  Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no
idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune
called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a
true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went
to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day,
only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his
fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find
it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk
genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
  JM

~~~~~~~~~

This sad story is also immortalized in Norman Maclean's "Young Men and
Fire," ISBN: 0226500624.  It is a fascinating book, a real page turner, in
my estimation.  It is available for as little as $1.14 on Abebooks:

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/

Maclean also wrote "A River Runs Through It."

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Jan 26 06:32:04 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:32:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL]  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <2707.165.206.180.34.1138219103.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <200601261432.k0QEWAnH026521@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:58 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy

Big snip

"...my son lost his eye (when he was 21) crossing
the street in front of his home one evening when a mugger slugged him
with a gun and crushed his face and eye."

~~~~~~~~

Bill, I vividly recall your telling of this very sad story, but don't recall
hearing any follow-up.  Was your son able to complete is education?  How is
he doing, generally?

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 06:35:05 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:35:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV8DDCCAE4F64AD370376BBBB150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060126143505.20595.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Because this is an "off topic" thread of limited  interest and that I don't want to invite the wrath of the "purists", I  will recommend the following for those who would wish to read the  lyrics to Jame Keelaghan's "Cold Missouri Waters".
  
 Using  Yahoo or some such, type in "Cold Missouri Waters" on the search  line.  You will be directed to a site called "mysongbook" and,  unless I am very wrong, these wonderful, poignant lyrics will pop  up.  If any of you are further compelled, I would advise that you  secure a download of the piece.  One British gentleman offered to  forward an MP3 of the song, but you should be able to stream in order  to enjoy it.
  Just a thought.
  JM

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Approximately 20 miles north of me..."Mann Gulch Fire of 1949"

http://forestry.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=forestry&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fs.fed.us%2Frm%2Fpubs%2Fint_gtr299%2Findex.html

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no 
> idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune 
> called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon 
> a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that 
> went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that 
> day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of 
> his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You 
> can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the 
> acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard 
> Shindell. 
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Jan 26 07:27:37 2006
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:27:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <20060126.002213.1068.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<003d01c62266$0a239330$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001601c6228d$0cfd7c70$111f7546@mycomputer>

Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!!    I 
cracked a leg bone starting  my old 1946 harley that was stubborn as an old 
mule.  I have since gotten rid of that oil leaker. I hope my stover doesnt 
do that when i finally get it running.

Tom Dunlap
Texas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


>I just asked a simple bloody question!It would seem that you have a bit of 
>a problem with flywheels and cranks Joe.
> Take it easy, we all absorbed your diatribe on the hazards. If the subject 
> of the thread upsets you .......then I might suggest that you ignore it , 
> go and have a nap.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking
>
>
>> Thanks Peter,
>>
>> Hey - I don't mean to get into a pissin' match with this.
>> I don't care how you hold your hand.
>> That won't protect your head - or - arm - or - legs - or other people.
>>
>> It's real simple - D O N ' T.
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>> \/)"(\/
>> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
>> the work."
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 26 08:54:50 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:54:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!! 
=        =        =        =        =        =        
I had a '50 Harley, Shovel / Pan - 
I never thought my knee could punch me in the jaw.
But it did.

Thanks for the memory.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 26 08:38:35 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:38:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.115822.324.0.jlb94@juno.com>

would seem that you have a bit of a 
problem with flywheels and cranks Joe.
=        =        =        =        =        =        
ROFLOL - - - 
Thanks Pete,
I need the nap.

I don't have a problem with cranks - I just don't use 'em.
I'm just trying to save someone else from getting hurt.
And - I'm really surprised at the resistance I'm getting from the list.

I've always heard of the dangers.  
Not until last year did I actually see someone get it.

He was no dummy - He knew the dangers - He KNEW what he was doing.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."

   


From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Thu Jan 26 09:42:48 2006
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:42:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <web-224666312@mail.hal-pc.org>

Big Matchless single cylinders will do the same. It's very 
disconcerting to catch a glimpse of your knee narrowly missing your 
ear when you make a minor mistake on spark advance.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:54:50 -0500
  jlb94 at juno.com wrote:
> Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!! 
> =        =        =        =        =        =        
> I had a '50 Harley, Shovel / Pan - 
> I never thought my knee could punch me in the jaw.
> But it did.
> 
> Thanks for the memory.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        
> (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do 
>all
> the work."
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 10:31:44 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:31:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV8DDCCAE4F64AD370376BBBB150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060126183144.38472.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

RS-
  Thank you for supplying the analysis of what transpired (e.g., Mann  Gulch, etc.).  Reading this sheds a fresh insight to the song  composed by James Keelaghan.  It is impossible to imagine what  that scenario (and other similar) must be like to experience.
  Thanks again.
  JM

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Approximately 20 miles north of me..."Mann Gulch Fire of 1949"

http://forestry.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=forestry&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fs.fed.us%2Frm%2Fpubs%2Fint_gtr299%2Findex.html

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia


> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no 
> idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune 
> called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon 
> a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that 
> went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that 
> day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of 
> his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You 
> can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the 
> acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard 
> Shindell. 
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From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 13:04:55 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:04:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
In-Reply-To: <002401c6227b$b2d54180$f1b531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F2476128D65B6146AC45656E7150@phx.gbl>

Happy Australia Day, this is event is even listed on my Hallmark Calendar, 
so it must be really special!

Just what are you "Aussies" celebrating (just would like to know what I am 
drinking to today).

XOXOX to all in OZ

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia day
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:24 +0800
>
>Your right Brock .....It's AUSTRALIA DAY!!
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" 
><brock at netspeed.com.au>
>To: "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The SEL email 
>discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:54 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Australia day
>
>
>>G,day All
>>today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors 
>>tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has 
>>been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my 
>>wbshots page .
>>Brock Summerfield
>>ACT Australia
>>brock at netspeed.com.au
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Jan 26 13:48:58 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:48:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
References: <BAY113-F2476128D65B6146AC45656E7150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003201c622c2$50e98980$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Peg

You may care to look at this site

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/austday.html

The day is the anniversary of our country being colonised in 1788 by Captain
Arthur Phillip.

Ron

---- Original Message -----
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia day


> Happy Australia Day, this is event is even listed on my Hallmark Calendar,
> so it must be really special!
>
> Just what are you "Aussies" celebrating (just would like to know what I am
> drinking to today).
>
> XOXOX to all in OZ
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
> >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Australia day
> >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:24 +0800
> >
> >Your right Brock .....It's AUSTRALIA DAY!!
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield"
> ><brock at netspeed.com.au>
> >To: "oldengine .org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "'The SEL email
> >discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:54 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] Australia day
> >
> >
> >>G,day All
> >>today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2
tractors
> >>tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has
> >>been a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my
> >>wbshots page .
> >>Brock Summerfield
> >>ACT Australia
> >>brock at netspeed.com.au
> >>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 26 13:34:05 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:34:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
	<002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi John and Peter,

That is EXACTLY my experience as well.  I only have one engine (8 hp
two-cylinder Novo Rollr) that uses the "upward quarter turn" cranking
method.  I tuck the thumb in with the fingers just because...  I don't
have any sense at all that the thumb would be in danger cranking that
engine.  It does have an impulse mag.  I should also mention that when I
first got it, I didn't realize that the "proper cranking method" was that
quarter turn.  So I was trying to "crank it over."  The crank slipped out,
and my fingers smashed into the steel cart frame helped along by the mass
of the crank.  Four fingers were sore and deep purple for weeks.

The other engines that I use a crank on get a full grip.  The ONLY time I
ever had any problem was on the 7 hp Crossley (Fat Bastard) the one time I
tried cranking it without using my "opposed thumb."

We evolved the damn thing for a reason.  Getting a good grip on your
crank!!  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, John Culp wrote:

> That gripping with all digits on one side only works when you're giving
> just a quick upward pull on a crank, as you did with a Model T. If
> you've got to crank to spin up a heavy set of flywheels, you'll lose
> your grip on the crank and are more likely to smack yourself. Heavy
> flywheels won't allow a fast enough back-kick to endanger the thumb.
>
> On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:41 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>
> > OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your
> > whole hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the
> > remaining fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks
> > ,it puts that thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and
> > thumb on one side of the handle just does not feel as
> > comfortable...........your thoughts?



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 26 14:47:23 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:47:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>

> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.

No, but having an engine that was designed to start with a crank and 
isn't readily started otherwise is an excellent reason to use one. 
There are quite a few of those, and I own several. I'm not interested 
in pissing matches, either, but someone always starts up with this 
"never use a crank" nonsense whenever a crank is mentioned. Arnie's 
already stated the facts well.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Jan 26 14:52:46 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:52:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20060126.115822.324.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <cf07a5692c7725f7eae316c69ca5ad9d@chartertn.net>

> Ever try to kick start an old motorcycle??  Talk about dangerous!!!

I had a '63 Panhead. Once the drill was learned, it wasn't too hard, 
and certainly not dangerous. But if you forgot to retard the spark 
before kicking, it'd launch you to the moon!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 15:13:21 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:13:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com><002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3><cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce 
start ? Could be an spectacular result !
I also like the method of starting by bouncing the flywheel with the foot in 
some marine engines,done by rocking the flywheel from the rim . Not quite 
the same potential for a accident as the standing on the spokes technique. 
Bouncing still evokes gasps of wonder as it confuses the latter day ''Arm 
chair Experts''.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


> Hi John and Peter,
>
> That is EXACTLY my experience as well.  I only have one engine (8 hp
> two-cylinder Novo Rollr) that uses the "upward quarter turn" cranking
> method.  I tuck the thumb in with the fingers just because...  I don't
> have any sense at all that the thumb would be in danger cranking that
> engine.  It does have an impulse mag.  I should also mention that when I
> first got it, I didn't realize that the "proper cranking method" was that
> quarter turn.  So I was trying to "crank it over."  The crank slipped out,
> and my fingers smashed into the steel cart frame helped along by the mass
> of the crank.  Four fingers were sore and deep purple for weeks.
>
> The other engines that I use a crank on get a full grip.  The ONLY time I
> ever had any problem was on the 7 hp Crossley (Fat Bastard) the one time I
> tried cranking it without using my "opposed thumb."
>
> We evolved the damn thing for a reason.  Getting a good grip on your
> crank!!  8->>
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, John Culp wrote:
>
>> That gripping with all digits on one side only works when you're giving
>> just a quick upward pull on a crank, as you did with a Model T. If
>> you've got to crank to spin up a heavy set of flywheels, you'll lose
>> your grip on the crank and are more likely to smack yourself. Heavy
>> flywheels won't allow a fast enough back-kick to endanger the thumb.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:41 PM, peter ogborne wrote:
>>
>> > OK you old timers.......cranking . The natural urge is to wrap your
>> > whole hand around the crank handle,i.e. the thumb on one side and the
>> > remaining fingers [ I still have four] on the otherside. When it kicks
>> > ,it puts that thumb in danger . Cranking with all four fingers and
>> > thumb on one side of the handle just does not feel as
>> > comfortable...........your thoughts?
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 15:27:14 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <000501c62278$d8f96240$0b4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <001c01c622d0$0b066bf0$851de304@OFFICELEW>

Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
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<<there is a 
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <<snip>>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

 

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Jan 26 15:28:08 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:28:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Pissing,getting OT now!
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <007a01c622d0$2dc84780$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes you said it .............''Pissing Matches '' ? Not quite sure what a 
previous contributor meant by this term .How high ,how long,number of times 
,the latter could I fear indicate a health problem ?As a pimply faced youth 
there was a sort of fascination in this subject . I must admit that it is 
hard to convince my wife that having a ''Slash '' on the Lemon Tree is 
beneficial to the health and productivity of this member of the Citrus 
family.My theory is that it is a sort of territory thing ,my Jack Russell 
does it all the time !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
>
> No, but having an engine that was designed to start with a crank and isn't 
> readily started otherwise is an excellent reason to use one. There are 
> quite a few of those, and I own several. I'm not interested in pissing 
> matches, either, but someone always starts up with this "never use a 
> crank" nonsense whenever a crank is mentioned. Arnie's already stated the 
> facts well.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 26 15:53:16 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:53:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>
	<ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <004601c622d3$af3de1f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>

I really don't see this as a pissing match , I see it as a very interesting 
and informative topic and consider everyones reply to come directly from 
experance , I with only 4 years in the hobby read all your postings and have 
learned a great deal from your pissing matches , so keep it and I'll here 
learning , if everyone agreeded one everything it would be a very boring 
world ,

Rex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
 <snip> 




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 16:00:09 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:00:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <001c01c622d0$0b066bf0$851de304@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20060127000009.29196.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

LB-
  To successfully deliver MP3 types of files, it is almost necessary to  be on a broadband server...dial-up will be choppy at best and,  probably, won't give you much of anything.
  Did you try to (at least) read the lyrics by doing as I  described?  If you want, you can visit the writers website.  Again...James Keelaghan.  Though I do not know for sure, there may  be a download opportunity for "Cold Missouri Waters" on his site or  some other.  Richard Shindell also covered it.
  Know that if you have an appetite for music in general or,  specifically, folk genre, there is a treasure trove of internet radio  broadcast services available to you.  Largely, these are free and  by utilizing them, a vast panorama of music is at your  fingertips.  In many, many cases this is wonderful material that  one would never be able to audition due to distribution (retail)  limitations plus, of course, the "out of pocket" it would require to  make purchases even if the recordings could be found.
  Too, there are download services (e.g., LimeWire) that enable you to  build your own library of the music that you like.  This is done  by artist, genre, album title, etc. etc.,  
  All of these things are worth an investigation.  For example, on  the internet radio thing, try Live365.com or Radioio.com or  RismixLive.com.  Take a bit of time and explore.  I guarantee  that, once you try it, you will become hooked and I say this in the  very best of ways.
  Let me know your thoughts on the Keelaghan song.
  Best. 
  Jim Moran/Rochester, New York

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
beekeeping_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
homestead_small_farming_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 
shop_tool_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


<
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

 

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Jan 26 16:02:59 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:02:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <200601270003.k0R039b1081033@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Reminds me of a fellow down in Texas telling about starting his 35 h.p.
(30?) Superior.  The sucker fired too early and he became airborne.  The
last thing he remembered was looking down into that big tall exhaust stack.
He sold the Superior not long after.  

I forget his name, but I'm sure there are people on this list who remember
him telling the story.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking

Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce 
start ? Could be an spectacular result !

Snip





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 16:05:09 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:05:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Pissing,getting OT now!
In-Reply-To: <007a01c622d0$2dc84780$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20060127000509.47986.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I will say this much.  This thread has  done much to perfect my skills at the utilization of the delete  button.  Better yet, I can do so without fear of losing a  digit...my mouse never bites back.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  Yes you said it .............''Pissing Matches '' ? Not quite sure what a 
previous contributor meant by this term .How high ,how long,number of times 
,the latter could I fear indicate a health problem ?As a pimply faced youth 
there was a sort of fascination in this subject . I must admit that it is 
hard to convince my wife that having a ''Slash '' on the Lemon Tree is 
beneficial to the health and productivity of this member of the Citrus 
family.My theory is that it is a sort of territory thing ,my Jack Russell 
does it all the time !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy


>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
>
> No, but having an engine that was designed to start with a crank and isn't 
> readily started otherwise is an excellent reason to use one. There are 
> quite a few of those, and I own several. I'm not interested in pissing 
> matches, either, but someone always starts up with this "never use a 
> crank" nonsense whenever a crank is mentioned. Arnie's already stated the 
> facts well.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 


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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 16:52:04 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia-now songs
In-Reply-To: <20060127000009.29196.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c622db$e4f8f160$851de304@OFFICELEW>

Thanks Jim!

Behind on email so hadn't got to that post yet.  Found the lyrics; must
be a POWERFUL song!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'll check out the sites you mentioned;
sound real interesting!

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!

Lew


<<snip>>
  Did you try to (at least) read the lyrics by doing as I  described?
If you want, you can visit the writers website.  Again...James
Keelaghan.  Though I do not know for sure, there may  be a download
opportunity for "Cold Missouri Waters" on his site or  some other.
Richard Shindell also covered it.
  Know that if you have an appetite for music in general or,
specifically, folk genre, there is a treasure trove of internet radio
broadcast services available to you.  Largely, these are free and  by
utilizing them, a vast panorama of music is at your  fingertips.  In
many, many cases this is wonderful material that  one would never be
able to audition due to distribution (retail)  limitations plus, of
course, the "out of pocket" it would require to  make purchases even if
the recordings could be found.

  Too, there are download services (e.g., LimeWire) that enable you to
build your own library of the music that you like.  This is done  by
artist, genre, album title, etc. etc.,  
  All of these things are worth an investigation.  For example, on  the
internet radio thing, try Live365.com or Radioio.com or  RismixLive.com.
Take a bit of time and explore.  I guarantee  that, once you try it, you
will become hooked and I say this in the  very best of ways.
  Let me know your thoughts on the Keelaghan song.
  Best. 
  Jim Moran/Rochester, New York

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
beekeeping_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
homestead_small_farming_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 
shop_tool_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


<
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

 

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jan 26 17:36:16 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:36:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com>
	<002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <008f01c622e2$11ea2a30$43d84c0c@D48VHZ61>

Speaking from a tractor collectors perspective, you get used to "properly" a 
crank. Even still I get nervous.

I had an IHC LB with the radiator setup (came off a hay blaer) The only way 
to crank it was with the crank. It had a ton of compression. I made the 
mistake of leaning back while turning and caused the crank to slip out. 
Busted my glasses and took 10 stitches to sew my lip up. I still remember 
the distinct sound of the crank connecting with my cheek-bone. Bottom line, 
it way my fault.

I talked to a guy recently who had an old tractor to throw him behind it 
when it backfired. Its not your normal tractor set-up with the crank in the 
front. It was on a Titan with the engine mounted crossways and the crank is 
about 4 foot in the air. So far I have been able to crank my Titan by 
pulling on the flywheel. Takes all the strength I can muster but....

Personal opinion, I think cranks are dangerous. Use them if you have to but 
make sure your enigne timing and so forth is as close to perfect as you can 
get it. And don't get in a hurry and forget to something  important such as 
retard the timing. Greasy hands are another not to intelligent idea.

John Hall 




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Jan 26 17:41:49 2006
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:41:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <200601270003.k0R039b1081033@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <E1F2Icd-0004Af-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	I started my 25hp Superior by rocking the flywheels by stepping on
the spokes. 
One has to remember when the ignition will fire and get ones feet off the
wheel before then.
All in paying attention to the details. As I got older I built a pony start
mechanism.
If I had my druthers I would still prefer to walk the flywheels. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Orrin
Iseminger
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:03 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking

Reminds me of a fellow down in Texas telling about starting his 35 h.p.
(30?) Superior.  The sucker fired too early and he became airborne.  The
last thing he remembered was looking down into that big tall exhaust stack.
He sold the Superior not long after.  

I forget his name, but I'm sure there are people on this list who remember
him telling the story.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking

Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce
start ? Could be an spectacular result !

Snip



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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 26 18:39:34 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:39:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Australia day
In-Reply-To: <015201c6226f$545f8c20$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <20060127023927.MTOE16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Brock,
	Good to hear you had a good day. Our club had two displays on
yesterday but my engines stayed at home this year. I guess my next rally
will be Canberra :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


G,day All  
today  we had a display for Australia Day we had 25  engines & 2 tractors
tthere was a another list member  atended as well as i Ron Page ho has been
a member of our club for many years  I,ve put a few pics up on my wbshots
page . 
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Jan 26 18:39:09 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:39:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
Message-ID: <20060126.214556.1132.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Arnie - 
Now - - - I can agree with that "getting a grip" statement.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 18:50:24 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:50:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Reg in GEM
Message-ID: <43D98A70.1080307@earthlink.net>

G'day all,

Check out the latest GEM, page 5 to see the article. Scratch built with 
no casting in 16 days. That's gotta be a record. As always first class 
work.

Jeff

-- 
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Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
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From markshattuck at ntelos.net  Mon Jan 23 17:23:11 2006
From: markshattuck at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:23:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <001c01c6206e$5da56690$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <200601240123.k0O1NAlP013076@mailrtr01.ntelos.net>

Test fine here Ron 

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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:43 PM
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Test only.

Ron
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Jan 26 17:51:01 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:51:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First
Message-ID: <007001c622e4$20c977c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

  Talking about cranking engines this is a message I had posted  a year ago.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles R Bryant 
To: SEL List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Safety First


Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997

"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and
 thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you  are getting large engines.
 I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which
 we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane
 regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main
bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up
this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old 
timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little 
too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke
with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be 
shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust 
pipe. I landed about 20 feet  luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes 
I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH
FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one"

From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Jan 27 06:41:02 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:41:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
In-Reply-To: <004601c622d3$af3de1f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
References: <20060126.000505.628.0.jlb94@juno.com>	<ef8a7fc7a4208c835d8f5ce12c8a09d7@chartertn.net>
	<004601c622d3$af3de1f0$6400a8c0@homed73uwt0tjt>
Message-ID: <43DA30FE.9000701@imc-group.com>

This week's discussion on crankhandles has been entertaining. Missy's 1 
1/2HP Herc has a crank handle that is one of those open half C handles 
that falls off the crank the moment you let up pressure on it. I hate 
the darned thing and never use it. It lives in the hopper most of the 
time. I could see how that thing could get launched back at you with a 
backfire.
I have a much later 6HP Herc (1929) and its' crank is the solid loop 
style that you slide over the end of the crankshaft and engage it on the 
gib key. Once the engine starts you pull it back off the crankshaft 
while the shaft spins within it. Generally I start this engine by 
flipping it against compression and it starts great, EXCEPT when the 
engine is hot. If you've been working this engine and stop it, you will 
have no luck starting against compression again. The ONLY way to get it 
to start again is to put the crank handle on it and wind it up and drop 
the intake valve.
Sooo..... I'm curious, you guys that have been kissed with these flying 
crank handles, have they been the open C style handles? Has anyone been 
hurt by the other closed crank handle?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Rex Hinz wrote:

> I really don't see this as a pissing match , I see it as a very 
> interesting and informative topic and consider everyones reply to come 
> directly from experance , I with only 4 years in the hobby read all 
> your postings and have learned a great deal from your pissing matches 
> , so keep it and I'll here learning , if everyone agreeded one 
> everything it would be a very boring world ,
>
> Rex
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: Lookin For: Crank for 1.5hp Economy
>
>
>>> Frustration in not a reason to use a crank.
>>
> <snip>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Jan 27 07:51:31 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:51:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First
Message-ID: <001401c62359$8b71f280$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>



  Talking about cranking engines this is a message I had posted  a year ago
and the one you mentioned Orrin

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles R Bryant 
To: SEL List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Safety First


Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997

"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and
 thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you  are getting large engines.
 I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which
 we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane
 regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main
bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up
this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old 
timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little 
too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke
with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be 
shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust 
pipe. I landed about 20 feet  luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes 
I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH
FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one"

From oiseming at moscow.com  Fri Jan 27 07:41:58 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:41:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First
In-Reply-To: <001401c62359$8b71f280$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <200601271542.k0RFg7nB091816@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Charlie, was it Wallace McPeak who originally posted the story back in '97?
That's who I had in mind.  I have a picture of the Superior he owned, back
then, and the date on it is 8/26/97.  I seem to recall the picture and the
story were posted about the same time as one another.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Charles R
Bryant
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:52 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Safety First


  Talking about cranking engines this is a message I had posted  a year ago
and the one you mentioned Orrin

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles R Bryant 
To: SEL List 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Safety First


Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997

"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and
 thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you  are getting
large engines.
 I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior
which
 we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new
propane
 regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts
that held the main
bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all
the cams up
this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My
being an old 
timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine
had just a little 
too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the
next spoke
with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it
feels to be 
shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the
exhaust 
pipe. I landed about 20 feet  luckily on my right side and back. After about
15 minutes 
I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were
in the right place.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER
PUT BOTH
FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has
one"





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 27 07:49:50 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <001c01c622d0$0b066bf0$851de304@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20060127154950.21039.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

I know this is off topic.  Please don't become angry.
  Over the past few days, there has been some discussion of forest fires; this having stemmed from the misfortunes of Australia.
  I am interested if any of you could relate some information,  experience, or awareness of log jams.  This interests me.  If  nobody can do so, that is fine.  I just thought that maybe someone  of the Group has studied this phenom.
  Thanks.
  JM

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Hey Dave

Unfortunately I'm not on broadband anymore; can it be sent to a dial-up
connection?  I'd love to hear it; love that type of songs.  If not how
do you send it; by email?  Might be able to get my ex-wife's daughter to
receive it & burn it to a CD; she's still "one of my kids" in my
opinion.  :)

Lew Best near Waco, TX USA
List owner of the following swap lists you might be interested in
beekeeping_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
homestead_small_farming_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 
shop_tool_exchange-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


<
> folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find
compelling.  <>

If anyone wants a MP3 of "Cold Missouri Water" & is on broadband I will
try to send it to you.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv 

 

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 27 08:20:49 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:20:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Washer
Message-ID: <005301c6235d$a3e348b0$e7b6f504@Ed>

In my travels earlier this month I came across a Maytag washer that the man wants to sell. He is not on the internet so the details can be found at  http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id12.html  . I have no interest in it. The top is made of aluminum and the agitator is inside. He said it originally had an electric motor.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ 

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 27 08:34:11 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:34:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
In-Reply-To: <007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com><002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3><cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601271116090.77627@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

Yep, when I put a foot on a flywheel spoke starting my Bessemer
half-breed, it never fails to draw a crowd.  And I'm certain that a number
are like NASCAR racing fans, they enjoy the sport, but are also watching
to see the awful crashes.

In addition to the potential "launching into space" there is also the
potential for having your foot slip through the spokes with the resulting
destruction of your body if the engine starts while you're in that
position.

However, as with hand cranks, one can sit and tremble in fear, or one can
start the damn engine.  This is not a matter of Bad Engine Ju-Ju.  It's a
matter of taking a hard look at what you're doing and how you're doing it.
If you watch a bunch of different guys starting oilfield engines you will
quicky identify the ones who are candidates to win Darwin Awards and the
ones who know what the hell they're doing.

I think the key is to respect the machine's ability to seriously hurt you
if you do something stupid.  Then decide NOT to do something stupid.  At
this point I am comfortable that I can start my Bessemer, giving the crowd
a thrill, and still be able to climb down off the trailer and enjoy a cold
beer.  8-))

Definitely, appearances (relative to risk) can be deceiving.  Did you ever
see the pics of Dave and I cutting the 14" x 14" oak skid timbers for Jim
French's Tillinghast half-breed?  The classic pic shows me sitting on a
timber wearing just shorts.  I'm holding a big C-clamp that's clamped to
the nose of the bar of a big chain saw.  Dave is on the other end.  We're
cutting a 45-deg angle on the end of the timber.  Great pic!  Maybe Dave
or Dolly has it electronically and could share it with you.  It probably
looks as scary as someone starting an engine with a hand crank.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, peter ogborne wrote:

> Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce
> start ? Could be an spectacular result !
> I also like the method of starting by bouncing the flywheel with the foot in
> some marine engines,done by rocking the flywheel from the rim . Not quite
> the same potential for a accident as the standing on the spokes technique.
> Bouncing still evokes gasps of wonder as it confuses the latter day ''Arm
> chair Experts''.



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jan 27 14:50:53 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:50:53 +0800
Subject: [SEL] From a newsgroup:  ...cranking
References: <ac.3114c07.31095b09@aol.com><002801c62208$e9495da0$d5218795@ogborneuah38i3><cad7b258a9966597ad7698c60aeb1f6d@chartertn.net><Pine.BSF.4.51.0601261624290.67382@vegeta.city-net.com><007001c622ce$1d146100$a08531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601271116090.77627@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003901c62394$242bcca0$60cf31cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks Arnie for your reasoned reply,no hysterics!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] From a newsgroup: ...cranking


> Hi Peter,
>
> Yep, when I put a foot on a flywheel spoke starting my Bessemer
> half-breed, it never fails to draw a crowd.  And I'm certain that a number
> are like NASCAR racing fans, they enjoy the sport, but are also watching
> to see the awful crashes.
>
> In addition to the potential "launching into space" there is also the
> potential for having your foot slip through the spokes with the resulting
> destruction of your body if the engine starts while you're in that
> position.
>
> However, as with hand cranks, one can sit and tremble in fear, or one can
> start the damn engine.  This is not a matter of Bad Engine Ju-Ju.  It's a
> matter of taking a hard look at what you're doing and how you're doing it.
> If you watch a bunch of different guys starting oilfield engines you will
> quicky identify the ones who are candidates to win Darwin Awards and the
> ones who know what the hell they're doing.
>
> I think the key is to respect the machine's ability to seriously hurt you
> if you do something stupid.  Then decide NOT to do something stupid.  At
> this point I am comfortable that I can start my Bessemer, giving the crowd
> a thrill, and still be able to climb down off the trailer and enjoy a cold
> beer.  8-))
>
> Definitely, appearances (relative to risk) can be deceiving.  Did you ever
> see the pics of Dave and I cutting the 14" x 14" oak skid timbers for Jim
> French's Tillinghast half-breed?  The classic pic shows me sitting on a
> timber wearing just shorts.  I'm holding a big C-clamp that's clamped to
> the nose of the bar of a big chain saw.  Dave is on the other end.  We're
> cutting a 45-deg angle on the end of the timber.  Great pic!  Maybe Dave
> or Dolly has it electronically and could share it with you.  It probably
> looks as scary as someone starting an engine with a hand crank.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> Arnie.........What about those who stand on the flywheel spokes to bounce
>> start ? Could be an spectacular result !
>> I also like the method of starting by bouncing the flywheel with the foot 
>> in
>> some marine engines,done by rocking the flywheel from the rim . Not quite
>> the same potential for a accident as the standing on the spokes 
>> technique.
>> Bouncing still evokes gasps of wonder as it confuses the latter day ''Arm
>> chair Experts''.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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> 




From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Fri Jan 27 14:53:25 2006
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:53:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
Message-ID: <29d.466d635.310bfe65@aol.com>

Hi Dave
you can put me down for a copy

Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere


From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan 27 18:31:13 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:31:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Australia Day
Message-ID: <000d01c623b2$e8ac61c0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

Like Patrick, I too shunned the two Australia Day events our club supported. Instead, I spent the day at Fagan Park, Galston, (quite close to my home) where I started the 20HP Austral lamp start engine a couple of times, and fired up their Ericsson 8" hot air engine.

The Austral at first did not start easily, most likely not hot enough. I tried to get by with only two LP gas torches, whereas the previous starts had been with three. After retrieving the third torch, which had been used to start the engine of their McDonald road roller, it was soon hot enough, and started OK. This was only the fourth start since I took charge of the engine after quite some years of it standing idle. I find it necessary to stand on the flywheel spokes to get this engine rolling, but would never dream of doing this against compression to attempt starting! I get a couple of helpers to assist pulling the flywheels - much safer.

I had never run the Ericsson before, though in principle it is the same as my 6" Rider-Ericsson. It started very easily after quite a short time from light up, but I found the water pump would not prime. After much hand pumping and attempted priming, it still would not pump, so I raked out the fire and let it cool. I dismantled the pump and found the leather bucket was not sealing. I'll fit a new bucket soon and have another try.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au
Arcadia, NSW, Australia


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 27 09:05:31 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:05:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20060127.211133.1204.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

Has anyone any sketches of, or knowledge of, small model oil drilling
rigs
that use telephone bell coils as a sorce of power to make them operate ?

I knew a man (Paul) that I haven't seen in a few years that had these 
and think I might like to build one.

Thanks for any replies.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        
 (_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."
 


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Jan 27 18:05:44 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:05:44 +0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
Message-ID: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>

You may have noticed that there has been a marked absence of postings from
members in the Eastern States of Australia . Many of these blokes live in
fire risk areas and would no doubt be busy looking after their properties
and in some cases are active in volunteer fire fighting teams.
I live in an area that could be at risk but due to a quirk in seasonal
conditions no hot weather has been experienced so far this summer. The fuel
is there so the risk is present.
Precautions .......I would be interested to hear what other members who are
at risk do.
In my case I rely on rain water storage and a submerged bore pump. I have
tank capacity of 30,000 gallons . This consists of two 12,000 gal tanks of
 rain water and a 6,000 gal tank that is topped up by rain water and
bore water.The bore water is OK but does have a Tannin content ,this
dissipates so can be used for drinking.
The house is protected by a deluge sprinkler system that I have installed.
This is fed by the 2.5 HP electric bore pump. This is OK whilst there is
mains power . But as in the case of a large bush fire the the power supply 
is usually cut off.To overcome this i have installed a 4HP Rosebery 
engine[ this is where the hobby cuts in] .The Rosebery drives a 2 inch 
centrifugal pump piped into the deluge system and fed from a separate water 
tank.I start the Rosebery with a 12 v starter motor ,battery on constant 
trickle charge.
All this combined with a portable fire pump gives me some peace of mind and 
I feel that I have done the best I can to combat a fire .
It would be interesting to hear what methods you in other parts do .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From oldengines at bigpond.com  Sat Jan 28 00:47:38 2006
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:47:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT ENGINES FOR SALE in OZ
Message-ID: <004101c623e7$7e28abd0$0100000a@ronliz1>

Hi All
 Have convinced Ron to lighten off his every growing list of engines. we are selling Listers A to Q, 6hp Witte, 4hp Associated setup with sparkplug and buzzcoil and has original petrol kero fuel tank , Rarest  1 1/2hp  OTTAWA restored , 1 1/2hp Fairbanks Z with evaporative radiator  on it old restoration, Vertical Bamford, Moffit Virtue with shearing stand. Cooper shearing stand, and more as we keep finding them. ph 0246842243 after 6pm or 0412901008 during the day
Liz
Ron & Liz Sullivan
oldengines at bigpond.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines.html


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Jan 28 02:02:58 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:02:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
References: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000801c623f2$0449efd0$09436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Several things that are recommended in Southern California are, A clear fire 
proof area a 100 feet in dia. around buildings. A fire proof roof and 
enclosed eves.  Shrubbery around houses and buildings should be of the types 
that do not burn easily.  These are a few things.  Oddly enough swimming 
pools are almost never made so that the fire department can get at the 
water.  It would be a simple thing to run a pipe out to some accessible 
place when they are made.
Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire ...in Australia and North America


You may have noticed that there has been a marked absence of postings from
members in the Eastern States of Australia . Many of these blokes live in
fire risk areas and would no doubt be busy looking after their properties
and in some cases are active in volunteer fire fighting teams.
I live in an area that could be at risk but due to a quirk in seasonal
conditions no hot weather has been experienced so far this summer. The fuel
is there so the risk is present.
Precautions .......I would be interested to hear what other members who are
at risk do.
In my case I rely on rain water storage and a submerged bore pump. I have
tank capacity of 30,000 gallons . This consists of two 12,000 gal tanks of
 rain water and a 6,000 gal tank that is topped up by rain water and
bore water.The bore water is OK but does have a Tannin content ,this
dissipates so can be used for drinking.
The house is protected by a deluge sprinkler system that I have installed.
This is fed by the 2.5 HP electric bore pump. This is OK whilst there is
mains power . But as in the case of a large bush fire the the power supply
is usually cut off.To overcome this i have installed a 4HP Rosebery
engine[ this is where the hobby cuts in] .The Rosebery drives a 2 inch
centrifugal pump piped into the deluge system and fed from a separate water
tank.I start the Rosebery with a 12 v starter motor ,battery on constant
trickle charge.
All this combined with a portable fire pump gives me some peace of mind and
I feel that I have done the best I can to combat a fire .
It would be interesting to hear what methods you in other parts do .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 02:59:02 2006
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:59:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
In-Reply-To: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <43DB4E76.5050306@comcast.net>

It sounds to me like you have an excellent start on your fireproofing.

I live in the city,fires around here are sometimes welcomed!(Dope 
dealers,transients,undesirables).

I read quite a bit,though;and have family all over the "Left Coast" 
(California,Washington State,Oregon).

What's recommended there is removal of lawn within 50' of house,gravel 
in it's place (not joking).Stone or Concrete walls spaced away from house.

An emergency storage of water,like you have!

Neighbors in the area having a battery backed-up source of 
communication,such as low-cost CB radios.A regular channel for 
information,and an emergency channel.These channels would be decided on 
in advance,and taped to the radio's.A 'base station'antenna would 
help.if possible.You could consider CB radios for the car(s),also...do 
you folks use FM for CB radio? I'm pretty sure they do in England.

Flashlights,and "gas mask" type particulate removal filters (carbon 
type),with extra filter cartridges (Not the Michael Jackson type!).

                                 mike


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 28 06:22:17 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:22:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
In-Reply-To: <000801c623f2$0449efd0$09436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060128061717.01be3bc0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Jim around here that access to pool or dam water for fire fighting is 
through a item called a stand pipe. Many farmers have one on there dams or 
ponds for local volunteer fire company to connect to. Can be a real life saver.
R Fink
PA




At 02:02 AM 1/28/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>Several things that are recommended in Southern California are, A clear fire
>proof area a 100 feet in dia. around buildings. A fire proof roof and
>enclosed eves.  Shrubbery around houses and buildings should be of the types
>that do not burn easily.  These are a few things.  Oddly enough swimming
>pools are almost never made so that the fire department can get at the
>water.  It would be a simple thing to run a pipe out to some accessible
>place when they are made.
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 28 06:34:14 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:34:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] our hobby and fire  ...in Australia and North America
In-Reply-To: <000601c623af$5f344d70$5d82a33a@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060128062301.01b513e0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Peter that sounds like a good system. My luck would be if i had to use it 
the battery would be dead or starter would lock up.   The only thing i have 
experience close to this was back about 20 years ago we had a brush fire 
behind our house.[a few thousand acres of water shed] I came home from work 
when i heard it was on fire . The local fire department was on the seen and 
i informed them i had just filled a 1100 gallon gas tank we had there for 
our trucks. They never left our place till the fire was completely out. I 
don't think any thing is more dangerous  that a fire or flood.
R Fink
PA





At 10:05 AM 1/28/2006 +0800, you wrote:
>You may have noticed that there has been a marked absence of postings from
>members in the Eastern States of Australia . Many of these blokes live in
>fire risk areas and would no doubt be busy looking after their properties
>and in some cases are active in volunteer fire fighting teams.
>I live in an area that could be at risk but due to a quirk in seasonal
>conditions no hot weather has been experienced so far this summer. The fuel
>is there so the risk is present.
>Precautions .......I would be interested to hear what other members who are
>at risk do.
>In my case I rely on rain water storage and a submerged bore pump. I have
>tank capacity of 30,000 gallons . This consists of two 12,000 gal tanks of
>rain water and a 6,000 gal tank that is topped up by rain water and
>bore water.The bore water is OK but does have a Tannin content ,this
>dissipates so can be used for drinking.
>The house is protected by a deluge sprinkler system that I have installed.
>This is fed by the 2.5 HP electric bore pump. This is OK whilst there is
>mains power . But as in the case of a large bush fire the the power supply 
>is usually cut off.To overcome this i have installed a 4HP Rosebery 
>engine[ this is where the hobby cuts in] .The Rosebery drives a 2 inch 
>centrifugal pump piped into the deluge system and fed from a separate 
>water tank.I start the Rosebery with a 12 v starter motor ,battery on 
>constant trickle charge.
>All this combined with a portable fire pump gives me some peace of mind 
>and I feel that I have done the best I can to combat a fire .
>It would be interesting to hear what methods you in other parts do .
>Peter Ogborne
>Little Grove ,Albany
>West Australia
>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From mcghee9 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 07:31:25 2006
From: mcghee9 at comcast.net (McGhee)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:31:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Great Engine Day
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102152547.029de9d8@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <004801c6241f$ea2335c0$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net>

 Last fall I picked up a 1913 Fairbanks H hit&miss and a pre 1918 Novo 3 HP
which had been stored in a ole Gents barn for the last 60 years. He would'nt
put a price on them but would take bids so I put in a low bid and forgot
about them. Two weeks later I got a call that they were mine. I was the only
one to show up. When I went to pick them up he handed me a bag with 2 buzz
coils and 8 never used Champion Gas Engine Special spark plugs. Long story
short the H fired and ran yesterday for the first time in over 60 plus
years, after I remembered it needed gas in the tank to do that. Now onto the
Novo before winter is over.

Carl McGhee
Battle Creek, Michigan
USA



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 28 07:28:30 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Great Engine Day
In-Reply-To: <004801c6241f$ea2335c0$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060102152547.029de9d8@web1.nlenet.net>
	<004801c6241f$ea2335c0$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <43DB8D9E.3010607@scrtc.com>

Carl,
    You're a lucky dude.  There aren't many of these things left in 
barns and out buildings.  I got a 2 HP H FM and a 6 HP Novo about 30 
years ago almost the same way.  The guy had the old hunks of iron and 
they were sitting beside his barn.  Several engine folks knew they were 
there but I guess no one ever approached him the right way.  I got them 
both for $50.  Those were the days.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Last fall I picked up a 1913 Fairbanks H hit&miss and a pre 1918 Novo 3 HP
>which had been stored in a ole Gents barn for the last 60 years. He would'nt
>put a price on them but would take bids so I put in a low bid and forgot
>about them. Two weeks later I got a call that they were mine. I was the only
>one to show up. When I went to pick them up he handed me a bag with 2 buzz
>coils and 8 never used Champion Gas Engine Special spark plugs. Long story
>short the H fired and ran yesterday for the first time in over 60 plus
>years, after I remembered it needed gas in the tank to do that. Now onto the
>Novo before winter is over.
>
>Carl McGhee
>Battle Creek, Michigan
>USA
>
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>
>
>
>  
>




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 28 19:01:05 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:01:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT........bush fires in Australia
In-Reply-To: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060126114214.72775.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43DC2FF1.50904@earthlink.net>

Songs not bad. My dad was on the jump list that day and I still remember 
him telling me the story. All these years later I still feel his pain of 
those jumpers he knew and lost.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



James Moran wrote:
> PO-
>   Thanks for the explanation...I thought that was the case.  I have  no idea, of course, as to your musical taste but there is a folk-style  tune called "Cold Missouri Water" that you might find compelling.   Based upon a true story, it tells of a man named Dodge, chief of a jump  team that went to fight a fire in Montana in 1949.  Of the fifteen  that jumped that day, only two survived the ordeal, including Dodge who  bore the guilt of his fallen comrades for years.  Quite a story  and piece of music.  You can find it on the internet radio  services that specialize in the acoustic/folk genre.  It has been  issued by James Keelaghan and Richard Shindell.
>   JM
>
>
>   



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 28 20:23:42 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:23:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, Brush Fires and Smoke Jumpers
Message-ID: <43DC434E.3030709@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I just talked to my mom about the Mann Gulch fire. My dad went out on 
the plane for a small fire before the Mann Gulch fire. 15 left on the 
next plane and two survived.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From blain.clark at sympatico.ca  Sat Jan 28 21:03:58 2006
From: blain.clark at sympatico.ca (blain clark)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:03:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw
Message-ID: <011301c62491$69ba6940$0a02a8c0@homewpqedq635q>

I am looking for information on a witte drag saw.
Pictures of the engine and front guide would be great. 
But any information would help.
Thank you fro your time 
Blain Clark


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jan 29 09:45:51 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:45:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw
References: <011301c62491$69ba6940$0a02a8c0@homewpqedq635q>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV74FA5D7488BAC2F625E09BB160@phx.gbl>

Blain...some detective work here might get you some answers:

http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1311


Good Luck
RickinMt.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "blain clark" <blain.clark at sympatico.ca>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw


I am looking for information on a witte drag saw.
Pictures of the engine and front guide would be great. 
But any information would help.
Thank you fro your time 
Blain Clark
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 29 11:06:16 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] witte drag saw
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV74FA5D7488BAC2F625E09BB160@phx.gbl>
References: <011301c62491$69ba6940$0a02a8c0@homewpqedq635q>
	<BAY109-DAV74FA5D7488BAC2F625E09BB160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1138561576.43dd1228951b6@webmail.city-net.com>

Blain,

Dave Rotigel has a Witte drag saw plus a lot of literature on them.
Contact him at rotigel at alltel.net

See ya,  Arnie

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "blain clark" <blain.clark at sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:03 PM
> 
> I am looking for information on a witte drag saw.
> Pictures of the engine and front guide would be great. 
> But any information would help.
> Thank you fro your time 
> Blain Clark




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jan 29 12:41:30 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:41:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding
Message-ID: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>

Did something a couple of weeks ago some of you may find helpful. If you 
have ever tried welding or brazing castings you know and understand the 
necessity of preheating and slow cooling. If its small use a torch for 
heating and bury it in a sand pile to let it cool slowly. I've heard of 
doing mid-sized parts by initially heating on a barbecue grill as well as 
putting them back on for controlled cooling.

I got hold of one to big for either a couple of weeks ago. I had to weld up 
a transmission housing that measuered roughly 1 x 2 x 3 feet. First off it 
was very greasy so I sent it to an automotive machine shop to be cleaned. To 
initially preheat it I used one of those torpedo shaped kerosene heaters 
like you see used on construction sites. I heated the part for about an hour 
until you couldn't touch it by hand. Then we used the rosebud to finish 
preheating the area to be welded. After welding I put it back in front of 
the heater for another hour to equalize the temp. Nothing went CRACK!!! so I 
assume all worked well.

John Hall 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 29 13:11:32 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:11:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding
In-Reply-To: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <1138569092.43dd2f843a1cc@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi John,

Something else you can try when you need to heat large, ackwardly shaped chunks
of iron.  Get some black pipe and fittings and build a "fire frame" around the
piece.  Drill a bunch of holes in the pipe on the side toward the object. 
Connect the natural gas or propane, turn it on, and light.  This works best if
you have some way to retain the heat, but will work out in the open in a
pinch.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net>:

> I got hold of one to big for either a couple of weeks ago. I had to weld up 
> a transmission housing that measuered roughly 1 x 2 x 3 feet. First off it 
> was very greasy so I sent it to an automotive machine shop to be cleaned. To
> initially preheat it I used one of those torpedo shaped kerosene heaters 
> like you see used on construction sites. I heated the part for about an hour
> until you couldn't touch it by hand. Then we used the rosebud to finish 
> preheating the area to be welded. After welding I put it back in front of 
> the heater for another hour to equalize the temp. Nothing went CRACK!!! so I
> assume all worked well.



From reb at apex.net  Sun Jan 29 13:25:23 2006
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:25:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding
References: <003301c62514$6347eeb0$a0f24c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <004701c6251a$841f2990$0202a8c0@Dads>

I have also heard for repairing large pieces of building a fire, either wood 
or charcoal around the piece and once hot remove it from the fire and repair 
it and then returning it to the fire and let it burn out and cool.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hall" <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: [SEL] heating large castings for welding


> Did something a couple of weeks ago some of you may find helpful. If you 
> have ever tried welding or brazing castings you know and understand the 
> necessity of preheating and slow cooling. If its small use a torch for 
> heating and bury it in a sand pile to let it cool slowly. I've heard of 
> doing mid-sized parts by initially heating on a barbecue grill as well as 
> putting them back on for controlled cooling.
>
> I got hold of one to big for either a couple of weeks ago. I had to weld 
> up a transmission housing that measuered roughly 1 x 2 x 3 feet. First off 
> it was very greasy so I sent it to an automotive machine shop to be 
> cleaned. To initially preheat it I used one of those torpedo shaped 
> kerosene heaters like you see used on construction sites. I heated the 
> part for about an hour until you couldn't touch it by hand. Then we used 
> the rosebud to finish preheating the area to be welded. After welding I 
> put it back in front of the heater for another hour to equalize the temp. 
> Nothing went CRACK!!! so I assume all worked well.
>
> John Hall
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 29 14:03:01 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:03:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] E-bay items
Message-ID: <43DD3B95.50609@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Poking around on e-bay today and came across this seller. He has lots of 
plans for sale including model engines, woodworking projects, etc.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Plans-Oscillating-Steam-Engine-Power-Meccano-Model-Toy_W0QQitemZ8255133504QQcategoryZ41369QQcmdZViewItem

Check his other auctions for more fun stuff. WARNING! You will probably 
spend money if you visit. I did. :-)

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 29 17:44:15 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:44:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Way OT auction item
Message-ID: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Insane doesn't come close, but it's the best I can do. Just look with a 
stupid blank stare as I did, and keep it off the lists. Had to share.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Seattle-Seahawks-SUPER-DOG-NFC-Championship-hot-dog_W0QQitemZ5659617304QQcategoryZ1467QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jan 29 17:45:37 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:45:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with Spencer 
Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 and met 
Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been joined by two good 
ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured Spencer that they had some 
good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want to buy and take off the wells 
that they were on.
	By 9:45 we were walking the hills of southern WV looking for engines. The 
first 3 we located were not much more that "parts." The 4th one was a nice 
20 HP--but in and almost impossible location for removal. (Spencer is sure 
that his bull doser is capable of the removal--I'm not so sure!) By that 
time it was 1:00 and we were all ready for lunch.
	After lunch (ie. 1:30) we were off again looking (this time) for a 15 HP 
that Vertis and Bob had never seen, but were sure was "just up thar on 
yonder ridge." Four ridges (and about 6 miles later) we had still not found 
the damn engine and Spencer was no where to be seen! After yelling to him 
for about 15 minutes we heard heavy breathing and Spencer appeared from a 
"hollar'" winded, sweating, red faced and gasping for breath--but other 
than that none the less worse for wear. He HAD NOT found the elusive 15 HP 
Reid!
	We tried one more (one mile) ridge looking for the 15 HP Reid and then I 
suggested that we all go back down to the "hard road" from which Vertis and 
Bob assured us we "can see the engine--but you hadn't try to cross that 
guys land to get to it." A half hour walk (like all the rest--UP HILL) and 
we were at Spencer's truck. Fifteen minutes later were looking across a 
field at the engine shack where the 15 was housed!
	We (Spencer, Bob and I) then walked to the closest trailer and Knocked on 
the door. Spencer introduced himself to the scantly clad chick who answered 
the door and asked her for permission to cross the field and the creek in 
order to have a look at the engine. She kept asking him "Is that all you 
want?" and after the 4th time he said "That's all!" she said "OK then do 
whatever you want!" and slammed the door.
	Spencer and Bob headed for the field (past the 2nd trailer) and forded the 
shallow creek. I, seeing the old man with the gun looking out the window, 
decided to hang back a bit to see if there were any shots fired. I, then 
went back up to the road to wait for Spencer's report on the 15 HP. Upon 
return Spencer reported that there were some parts missing, but it wasn't 
stuck! Vertis and Bob assured Spencer that they had the parts at home and 
that the engine would run!
	We then parted company with Vertis and Bob and went to have a sandwich. We 
talked about the engines and how they might be "extracted" from their 
locations. We also talked about the price that Vertis and Bob were asking 
and what they might take for one of the engines. Then Arnie and I headed 
for home (240 miles) tired, sour, buy happy with the day!
	I haven't talked to Arnie today, but I can tell you that my legs are sure 
sore! (I'll bet that I'll be taking it easy for at least two weeks!)  I 
can't tell you when I've walked 10+ miles (that's a conservative estimate) 
up and down hills in one day!  I do know that if this would be the last 
"engine trip" in my life it would be one of the best, GOOD friends, good 
hunting, good conversation--it just doesn't get much better than that!
	Dave
PS, Life is GOOD!
	



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Jan 29 18:31:14 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Way OT auction item
In-Reply-To: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>

Maybe someone ought to do that with a brat from the Portland show.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Jan 29 19:06:39 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:06:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200601300307.k0U36th9035407@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip

Hi All,
	Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston 

Snip

	Dave
PS, Life is GOOD!

~~~~~~~~

Great story, Dave.  Thank you for telling it.

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 29 19:12:52 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:12:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43DD8434.5000502@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    Sounds like you had a lot of fun.  Your story reminds me of many 
trips that I made many years ago in eastern KY (not a great deal of 
difference between it and WV).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Hi All,
>     Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with 
> Spencer Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 
> and met Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been 
> joined by two good ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured 
> Spencer that they had some good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want 
> to buy and take off the wells that they were on.
>



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Jan 29 19:41:32 2006
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:41:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200601292241320859.33F47F7D@heavyiron.atis.net>

It s all true!  Except for the scantily clad woman - She was fully dressed
and was old - I mean real old.  Nearly as old as Dave!   Oh - and the old
man with the gun put his gun away as soon as he realized the only sane
person in the group - me - was the only one that was not packing heat....
He quickly figured if the insane ones have the guns, what on earth could
the sane one have up his sleeve.

Seriously though, the day was great.  The engines were interesting and
Arnie's and Dave's explanations got me up to speed on oil field engines
quickly.   I actually know a little something about them now!   But most
importantly, the was weather and the country was gorgeous.   There really
wasn't any gun play and our hosts were great guys. The wells and derricks
were as intersting as the engines truth be told.   A lot of intersting
history in them thar hills in addition to rusty iron.

I have to make a few calls and look at a few other options, but there may
be an engine extraction party this spring; so stayed tuned

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 1/29/2006 at 8:45 PM Dave Rotigel wrote:

>Hi All,
>	Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with Spencer

>Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 and met 
>Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been joined by two
>good 
>ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured Spencer that they had
>some 
>good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want to buy and take off the wells 
>that they were on.
>	By 9:45 we were walking the hills of southern WV looking for engines. The

>first 3 we located were not much more that "parts." The 4th one was a nice

>20 HP--but in and almost impossible location for removal. (Spencer is sure

>that his bull doser is capable of the removal--I'm not so sure!) By that 
>time it was 1:00 and we were all ready for lunch.
>	After lunch (ie. 1:30) we were off again looking (this time) for a 15 HP 
>that Vertis and Bob had never seen, but were sure was "just up thar on 
>yonder ridge." Four ridges (and about 6 miles later) we had still not
>found 
>the damn engine and Spencer was no where to be seen! After yelling to him 
>for about 15 minutes we heard heavy breathing and Spencer appeared from a 
>"hollar'" winded, sweating, red faced and gasping for breath--but other 
>than that none the less worse for wear. He HAD NOT found the elusive 15 HP

>Reid!
>	We tried one more (one mile) ridge looking for the 15 HP Reid and then I 
>suggested that we all go back down to the "hard road" from which Vertis
>and 
>Bob assured us we "can see the engine--but you hadn't try to cross that 
>guys land to get to it." A half hour walk (like all the rest--UP HILL) and

>we were at Spencer's truck. Fifteen minutes later were looking across a 
>field at the engine shack where the 15 was housed!
>	We (Spencer, Bob and I) then walked to the closest trailer and Knocked on

>the door. Spencer introduced himself to the scantly clad chick who
>answered 
>the door and asked her for permission to cross the field and the creek in 
>order to have a look at the engine. She kept asking him "Is that all you 
>want?" and after the 4th time he said "That's all!" she said "OK then do 
>whatever you want!" and slammed the door.
>	Spencer and Bob headed for the field (past the 2nd trailer) and forded
>the 
>shallow creek. I, seeing the old man with the gun looking out the window, 
>decided to hang back a bit to see if there were any shots fired. I, then 
>went back up to the road to wait for Spencer's report on the 15 HP. Upon 
>return Spencer reported that there were some parts missing, but it wasn't 
>stuck! Vertis and Bob assured Spencer that they had the parts at home and 
>that the engine would run!
>	We then parted company with Vertis and Bob and went to have a sandwich.
>We 
>talked about the engines and how they might be "extracted" from their 
>locations. We also talked about the price that Vertis and Bob were asking 
>and what they might take for one of the engines. Then Arnie and I headed 
>for home (240 miles) tired, sour, buy happy with the day!
>	I haven't talked to Arnie today, but I can tell you that my legs are sure

>sore! (I'll bet that I'll be taking it easy for at least two weeks!)  I 
>can't tell you when I've walked 10+ miles (that's a conservative estimate)

>up and down hills in one day!  I do know that if this would be the last 
>"engine trip" in my life it would be one of the best, GOOD friends, good 
>hunting, good conversation--it just doesn't get much better than that!
>	Dave
>PS, Life is GOOD!
>	
>
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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 29 20:07:04 2006
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
	<daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Item number: 7215343596 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jan 29 20:14:40 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:14:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <200601292241320859.33F47F7D@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
	<200601292241320859.33F47F7D@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129225304.11270ca8@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:41 PM 1/29/2006, you wrote:
>It s all true!  Except for the scantily clad woman - She was fully dressed
>and was old - I mean real old.  Nearly as old as Dave!

"Old?" My goodness "old" must have a different meaning in NC from what it 
has in PA! This chick was about 19 and had VERY little on! I guess that in 
NC (Spencer's home state) any girl over 16 must be "old." I think that 
"old" in that context is a legal term--but I'm not sure. Tommy, can you 
help us here?

>   Oh - and the old
>man with the gun put his gun away as soon as he realized the only sane
>person in the group - me - was the only one that was not packing heat....
>He quickly figured if the insane ones have the guns, what on earth could
>the sane one have up his sleeve.

As one traverses the hills in WV one never knows what one might encounter. 
bears, coyotes, cougars--even "old" women. One must always be prepared!


>Seriously though, the day was great.  The engines were interesting and
>Arnie's and Dave's explanations got me up to speed on oil field engines
>quickly.   I actually know a little something about them now!   But most
>importantly, the was weather and the country was gorgeous.   There really
>wasn't any gun play and our hosts were great guys.

There is not normally "gun play" when the other side knows they are 
"outgunned!"

>The wells and derricks
>were as intersting as the engines truth be told.   A lot of intersting
>history in them thar hills in addition to rusty iron.

Are we now back to that "old" scantily clad 19 year old? I just can't 
believe how you kept telling her "No" when she kept asking "Is there 
anything else you want?" YOU BE DA MAN!


>I have to make a few calls and look at a few other options, but there may
>be an engine extraction party this spring; so stayed tuned

Don't jump at the first oil field engine you see. As I tell my boys often, 
"You're NOT really in love--your just in heat!


>Spencer Yost

         Dave



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 29 20:33:22 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:33:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
Message-ID: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>

Just curious; is the mason jar the ?fuel tank??
 
Lew Best near Waco, TX
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jan 29 22:49:59 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:49:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00da01c62569$e40674e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Ah! but what did ya miss out on??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip


> Hi All,
> Yesterday Arnie and I drove down to Charleston WV to meet up with Spencer 
> Yost to help him find an oil field engine. We arrived at 9:20 and met 
> Spencer at Hardy's (exit 5 off Rt. 79.) Spencer had been joined by two 
> good ol boys from WV (Vertis and Bob) who had assured Spencer that they 
> had some good 20 HP Reid engines that he might want to buy and take off 
> the wells that they were on.
> By 9:45 we were walking the hills of southern WV looking for engines. The 
> first 3 we located were not much more that "parts." The 4th one was a nice 
> 20 HP--but in and almost impossible location for removal. (Spencer is sure 
> that his bull doser is capable of the removal--I'm not so sure!) By that 
> time it was 1:00 and we were all ready for lunch.
> After lunch (ie. 1:30) we were off again looking (this time) for a 15 HP 
> that Vertis and Bob had never seen, but were sure was "just up thar on 
> yonder ridge." Four ridges (and about 6 miles later) we had still not 
> found the damn engine and Spencer was no where to be seen! After yelling 
> to him for about 15 minutes we heard heavy breathing and Spencer appeared 
> from a "hollar'" winded, sweating, red faced and gasping for breath--but 
> other than that none the less worse for wear. He HAD NOT found the elusive 
> 15 HP Reid!
> We tried one more (one mile) ridge looking for the 15 HP Reid and then I 
> suggested that we all go back down to the "hard road" from which Vertis 
> and Bob assured us we "can see the engine--but you hadn't try to cross 
> that guys land to get to it." A half hour walk (like all the rest--UP 
> HILL) and we were at Spencer's truck. Fifteen minutes later were looking 
> across a field at the engine shack where the 15 was housed!
> We (Spencer, Bob and I) then walked to the closest trailer and Knocked on 
> the door. Spencer introduced himself to the scantly clad chick who 
> answered the door and asked her for permission to cross the field and the 
> creek in order to have a look at the engine. She kept asking him "Is that 
> all you want?" and after the 4th time he said "That's all!" she said "OK 
> then do whatever you want!" and slammed the door.
> Spencer and Bob headed for the field (past the 2nd trailer) and forded the 
> shallow creek. I, seeing the old man with the gun looking out the window, 
> decided to hang back a bit to see if there were any shots fired. I, then 
> went back up to the road to wait for Spencer's report on the 15 HP. Upon 
> return Spencer reported that there were some parts missing, but it wasn't 
> stuck! Vertis and Bob assured Spencer that they had the parts at home and 
> that the engine would run!
> We then parted company with Vertis and Bob and went to have a sandwich. We 
> talked about the engines and how they might be "extracted" from their 
> locations. We also talked about the price that Vertis and Bob were asking 
> and what they might take for one of the engines. Then Arnie and I headed 
> for home (240 miles) tired, sour, buy happy with the day!
> I haven't talked to Arnie today, but I can tell you that my legs are sure 
> sore! (I'll bet that I'll be taking it easy for at least two weeks!)  I 
> can't tell you when I've walked 10+ miles (that's a conservative estimate) 
> up and down hills in one day!  I do know that if this would be the last 
> "engine trip" in my life it would be one of the best, GOOD friends, good 
> hunting, good conversation--it just doesn't get much better than that!
> Dave
> PS, Life is GOOD!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jan 30 02:10:58 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:10:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
In-Reply-To: <007501c6218c$1be972e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060130210735.02f4cd80@mail.ncable.com.au>

Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old 
moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky 
engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St 
Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now need 
to put a 9 in front of the seven.

regards Russell


At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
>To all OZ members
>
>I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain any 
>information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit, 
>trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info 
>about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
>
>Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
>
>Ron
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From page at velocitynet.com.au  Mon Jan 30 04:08:58 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:08:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20060130210735.02f4cd80@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <008201c62595$f45a6f00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks Russell

I  was talking to a lady (Mrs Jarky?) about 4-6 months ago and she told me
that Frank passed away about 12 months before then.  He was going to write
down some history about Moffat Virtue for me but never got around to it.
Unfortunately.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old
> moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky
> engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St
> Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now
need
> to put a 9 in front of the seven.
>
> regards Russell
>
>
> At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
> >To all OZ members
> >
> >I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
any
> >information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> >trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> >about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> >
> >Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> >
> >Ron
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 05:07:26 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:07:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
In-Reply-To: <008201c62595$f45a6f00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

Group-
  It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You  (collectively) seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so  the following may not be hot news.  However, in western New York  (border region w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage  industry of oil rigs.  Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in what appears to be the backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as Olean, Wellsville (there ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in which one might search.
  Just a thought, though (as I said) you guys probably knew of this already.
  Jim Moran

Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:  Thanks Russell

I  was talking to a lady (Mrs Jarky?) about 4-6 months ago and she told me
that Frank passed away about 12 months before then.  He was going to write
down some history about Moffat Virtue for me but never got around to it.
Unfortunately.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gilbert" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue


> Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old
> moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky
> engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St
> Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now
need
> to put a 9 in front of the seven.
>
> regards Russell
>
>
> At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
> >To all OZ members
> >
> >I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
any
> >information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> >trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> >about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> >
> >Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> >
> >Ron
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 05:08:50 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:08:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
Message-ID: <27b.40000bc.310f69e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2006 10:48:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
yostsw at atis.net writes:

<< but there may
 be an engine extraction party this spring >>


Spencer/Dave,

Great engine hunting story, and most of us have learned to read between the 
lines on Dave's stories!

Don't wait till spring to do the extraction, the W.Va. rattlesnakes are large 
and hungry that time of year!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Jan 30 06:02:35 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
References: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c625a5$d287e230$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

 There should still be quite a few oil field engines in west Texas. At 
Odessa,TX
 (half way between Dallas and El Paso) there used to be a pile of oil field
engines several feet high. Jim White of Cedar Hills, Missouri has cleaned 
alot
of them out of Oklahoma the past few years.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where 40 miles from here it is
half way berween the North and South Poles)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: [SEL] oil fields


> Group-
>  It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You  (collectively) 
> seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so  the following 
> may not be hot news.  However, in western New York  (border region 
> w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage  industry of oil rigs. 
> Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in what appears to be the 
> backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as Olean, Wellsville (there 
> ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in which one might search.
>  Just a thought, though (as I said) you guys probably knew of this 
> already.
>  Jim Moran
>
> Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:  Thanks Russell



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan 30 07:04:42 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:04:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


Hi Lew,
What was not mentioned in the description was that this
auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it: 
http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg



 
> Just curious; is the mason jar the "fuel tank"?




>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Ja
r-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZ
ViewItem
>  
>  
> Item number: 7215343596 











From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 30 07:42:35 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:42:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Engine weekend Part 1.
Message-ID: <43DE33EB.4010700@imc-group.com>

I am nearly ready to bore the cylinder on the 5HP Alamo engine. This 
will require an oversized piston to match and in preparation for this I 
began making the corebox for it over the weekend. I thought I'd document 
the process in case anyone else needs to make a piston for one of their 
engines. It's really a fairly simple process. I worked on it a couple 
hours on Friday night and maybe 4 hours on Sunday afternoon and evening. 
So what you see to date is about 6 hours actual work. The rest of the 
time is glue drying time.
I'll keep adding, updating, and posting this link as I make progress.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html>
Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 30 08:18:55 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:18:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
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At 10:04 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Lew,
>What was not mentioned in the description was that this
>auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
>Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
>Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it:
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg

Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late 20's. 
the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) they would 
neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted down and turned 
into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to obtain one several 
years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it can be seen at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just click 
on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
         Dave 



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 30 08:29:23 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:29:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun engine weekend part 2.
Message-ID: <43DE3EE3.7080406@imc-group.com>

On Saturday I finally finished up the Stickney fuel pumper project. You 
may recall last winter I was making several patterns to cast Stickney 
fuel pump parts. After finishing Devin's engine last summer I started 
machining these castings and finished back in the fall. Since them I've 
been working on the plunger and all the other little parts inside. All 
that was left was plumbing the fuel system in black iron. Here are a few 
pictures from Saturday.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/StickneyPlumbing/Thumbnails.html>

Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 30 09:34:59 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>

Dave,
    It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  They 
have a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the 
start pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply "scale 
up" the smaller models.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>
> Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late 
> 20's. the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) 
> they would neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted 
> down and turned into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to 
> obtain one several years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it 
> can be seen at: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just 
> click on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
>         Dave





From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 30 10:00:47 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:00:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c625c7$1a0d0ba0$f039e204@OFFICELEW>

Wow!  That's neat.  I was just thinking if that mason jar was a gas tank
we've sure gotten smarter; could start a heckuva fire if broken!

Lew

-----Original Message-----
 At 10:04 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Lew,
>What was not mentioned in the description was that this
>auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
>Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
>Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it:
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg

Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late
20's. 
the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) they
would 
neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted down and
turned 
into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to obtain one several 
years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it can be seen at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just
click 
on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
         Dave 

 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 30 10:11:38 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:11:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
In-Reply-To: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060130130726.85138.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301259100.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

I think my engine buddy Craig Prucha has plundered all of 'em by this
time.  8-)))  The other thing that's neat about that region is that a lot
of the engines were the ones that are highly desirable; Olins, Bovaird,
Seyfang, etc.

That region (Titusville, Oil City, etc.) is still damn interesting.
A great place to start is the Drake Well Museum.
http://www.drakewell.org/

Another awesome resource was Sam Pees' Oil History pages which don't seem
to be there any more.  http://www.oilhistory.com/

If Sam is still around he used to conduct "Oil Walks" through the Oil City
region.  AWESOME stuff still out in the woods there and the man had an
amazing grasp of the history of that area.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, James Moran wrote:

> It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You
> (collectively) seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so
> the following may not be hot news.  However, in western New York
> (border region w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage
> industry of oil rigs.  Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in
> what appears to be the backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as
> Olean, Wellsville (there ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in
> which one might search.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 30 10:45:00 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:45:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>
	<43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Tommy,
         And from what I have been told, and have read, you had to be 
upwards of 200 lbs. in order to depress the pedal even with the jump. I 
don't know if Craig ever tried to start his MAYTAG MOTOR or not. It would 
be fun to watch!
         Dave

At 12:34 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote:
>Dave,
>    It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  They have 
> a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the start 
> pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply "scale up" 
> the smaller models.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>
>>Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late 
>>20's. the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers) 
>>they would neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted down 
>>and turned into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to obtain one 
>>several years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it can be seen at: 
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just 
>>click on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
>>         Dave
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 30 10:27:30 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:27:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>
	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
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	<43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301322244.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

I don't think Craig had the details on his webpage.  But the 40 hp
oilfield Maytag that he got didn't require the "platform jump" as some
did.  His was setup with a 10 hp Reid belted to a walking beam.  There was
a vertical post attached to the beam that pushed down on the pedal
cranking it over.  Much safer, but still no more effective.  OTOH, it was
(like most Maytags) in excellent condition from essentially no use.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>     It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  They
> have a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the
> start pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply "scale
> up" the smaller models.
> >
> > Several "larger" MAYTAGS were built for the oil industry in the late
> > 20's. the main problem with them was that (like their little brothers)
> > they would neither start nor run. Thus most were scrapped and melted
> > down and turned into real engines! Craig Prucha was lucky enough to
> > obtain one several years ago. Don't know if he still owns it, but it
> > can be seen at:
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html Just
> > click on "Craig and the 40 HP Maytag."
> >         Dave



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 30 10:29:33 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:29:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
	<daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>
	<000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301327570.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Derek,

On the contrary, that Maytag is still available.  And those fins on the
horizontal cylinder help guide the axe home.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, derek wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596
> Item number: 7215343596



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 11:08:45 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:08:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] oil fields
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301259100.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060130190846.39852.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah...I had a feeling that the NY/PA thing was  far from being the best kept secret in the world.  I just threw it  out there.
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

I think my engine buddy Craig Prucha has plundered all of 'em by this
time.  8-)))  The other thing that's neat about that region is that a lot
of the engines were the ones that are highly desirable; Olins, Bovaird,
Seyfang, etc.

That region (Titusville, Oil City, etc.) is still damn interesting.
A great place to start is the Drake Well Museum.
http://www.drakewell.org/

Another awesome resource was Sam Pees' Oil History pages which don't seem
to be there any more.  http://www.oilhistory.com/

If Sam is still around he used to conduct "Oil Walks" through the Oil City
region.  AWESOME stuff still out in the woods there and the man had an
amazing grasp of the history of that area.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, James Moran wrote:

> It appears that there is an interest in oil fields.  You
> (collectively) seem to be savvy as to where "things" might be found, so
> the following may not be hot news.  However, in western New York
> (border region w/Pennsylvania) there is/was something of a cottage
> industry of oil rigs.  Commonly, the pumping gear would be spotted  in
> what appears to be the backyard of someone's house.  The towns  such as
> Olean, Wellsville (there ya are), Bradford (PA) would be are  areas in
> which one might search.
_______________________________________________
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Jan 30 11:13:32 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:13:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <007f01c62556$4e441e20$3439e204@OFFICELEW>	<032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130111341.1129b3b0@mail.alltel.net>	<43DE4E43.8030605@scrtc.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43DE655C.5060903@imc-group.com>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>         And from what I have been told, and have read, you had to be 
> upwards of 200 lbs. in order to depress the pedal even with the jump.

Dave,
Hence the term "Maytag twin" as it was advisable to jump on that pedal 
in pairs.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jan 30 11:05:08 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:05:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
In-Reply-To: <008201c62595$f45a6f00$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20060130210735.02f4cd80@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060131060203.02f49750@mail.ncable.com.au>

Ron thats sad news. He was a very helpful fellow. I spoke to him numerous 
times about my Moffit Virtue (first engine) during it's restoration. He 
supplied me with new spare parts, gaskets, manuals etc. Was a wealth of 
knowledge, It's a shame good people can't stay around longer.
Russell


At 11:08 PM 30/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
>Thanks Russell
>
>I  was talking to a lady (Mrs Jarky?) about 4-6 months ago and she told me
>that Frank passed away about 12 months before then.  He was going to write
>down some history about Moffat Virtue for me but never got around to it.
>Unfortunately.
>
>Ron
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
>
>
> > Ron have you tried this guy; Frank Jarky, apparently he bought the old
> > moffat virtue factory and he also work in it most of his life. He's Jarky
> > engine spares agency; PO BOX CP82 Condell Park 2200, or 4 Willfox St
> > Bankstown 2200, I have an old phone number 02 7094923, I guess you now
>need
> > to put a 9 in front of the seven.
> >
> > regards Russell
> >
> >
> > At 07:47 PM 25/01/2006 +1100, you wrote:
> > >To all OZ members
> > >
> > >I have been meaning to do this for a while, but I would like to obtain
>any
> > >information about the Moffat Virtue company and its engines.  Any bit,
> > >trivial or otherwise would be of interest.  I have a fair amount of info
> > >about Moffat but hardly anything on Virtue.
> > >
> > >Anything will help, dates, serial nos, copies of material, photos, etc.
> > >
> > >Ron
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >SEL mailing list
> > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us  Mon Jan 30 12:12:41 2006
From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - Help wanted in Mesa Arizona
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301327570.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <43DD6F6F.1040205@earthlink.net>
	<daf44a5bf1cff9e2fe924180bf0c8ba1@chartertn.net>
	<000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890@chaos>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0601301327570.14814@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601301509480.5612@alcor.astro.indiana.edu>


  	If anyone is willing and able to pick up a old tool in Mesa 
Arizona in early February Please contact me off list.  I'm guessing the 
weight is < 400 lbs and size is roughly 2 to 4 cubic feet.

Thanks,
Brice



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 30 13:20:17 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:20:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
Message-ID: <02d101c625e5$338ec190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>


I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share 
it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him 
but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I still 
dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.

<<Everyone,

I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed to 
drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.

We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our 
motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all 
their calls and only speak to people they trust.

So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell as 
we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and asked 
"who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure she 
had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There 
was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.

Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has 
snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in the 
driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point in 
stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.

Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps 
house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was 
sure he was home.

Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!

Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and 
that I'd handle the shipping.

He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."

He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if he 
wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process 
and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.

He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he had 
in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying around. 
Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he probably 
has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.

At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system. 
Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to 
make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to 
him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is 
owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon. 
(Hah!)

I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps 
attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.

As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take a 
legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the 
goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.

George




Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Jan 30 14:21:34 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:21:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
In-Reply-To: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <032f01c625ae$8140c280$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43DE916E.2060207@insulate.co.uk>

Apparantly, when they were running, they used up more oil for the smoke 
cloud than they were able to pump from the well.

Jim

Rob Skinner wrote:

>Hi Lew,
>What was not mentioned in the description was that this
>auction is for the very rare Salesman's Sample of the large
>Oilfield Maytag.  You can see a picture of it on the Gas
>Review Magazine dated 4/1/1918.  Here's a scan of it: 
>http://temp.rustyiron.com/gasreview.jpg
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 15:08:49 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:08:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <02d101c625e5$338ec190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20060130230849.17726.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

R&M-
  I am not involved in this in any way.  I'm just a fella in New  York who has followed this unfortunate piece of business.  Don't  tell me if you choose to not do so, but, how much money is actually  involved in this sorry mess?
  Thanks and best...
  JM

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:  
I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share 
it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him 
but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I still 
dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.

<

I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed to 
drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.

We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our 
motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all 
their calls and only speak to people they trust.

So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell as 
we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and asked 
"who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure she 
had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There 
was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.

Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has 
snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in the 
driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point in 
stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.

Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps 
house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was 
sure he was home.

Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!

Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and 
that I'd handle the shipping.

He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."

He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if he 
wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process 
and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.

He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he had 
in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying around. 
Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he probably 
has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.

At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system. 
Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to 
make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to 
him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is 
owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon. 
(Hah!)

I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps 
attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.

As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take a 
legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the 
goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.

George




Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 30 15:48:51 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:48:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
References: <20060130230849.17726.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03d901c625f7$ba515500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

$US 1700.00
Also there is the nasty taste of being ripped off by a liar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest


> R&M-
>  I am not involved in this in any way.  I'm just a fella in New  York who 
> has followed this unfortunate piece of business.  Don't  tell me if you 
> choose to not do so, but, how much money is actually  involved in this 
> sorry mess?
>  Thanks and best...
>  JM
>
> R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share
> it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him
> but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I 
> still
> dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.
>
> <
>
> I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed 
> to
> drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.
>
> We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our
> motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all
> their calls and only speak to people they trust.
>
> So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell 
> as
> we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and 
> asked
> "who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure 
> she
> had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There
> was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.
>
> Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has
> snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in 
> the
> driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point 
> in
> stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.
>
> Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps
> house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was
> sure he was home.
>
> Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!
>
> Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and
> that I'd handle the shipping.
>
> He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."
>
> He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if 
> he
> wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process
> and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.
>
> He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he 
> had
> in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying 
> around.
> Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he 
> probably
> has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.
>
> At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system.
> Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to
> make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to
> him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is
> owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon.
> (Hah!)
>
> I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps
> attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.
>
> As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take 
> a
> legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the
> goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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>
>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 16:38:06 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:38:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <03d901c625f7$ba515500$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20060131003806.20882.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

R&M-
 I would be the very last to suggest  that the significant amount of $1700 (in any country's currency) is  (nor should it be) easily dismissed.  At the same time, I  recognize that the "gut feel" of being cheated (disregarding the  monetary factor) is anathema to you as it would be to me.
 You have  been screwed.  You placed confidence and trust and were rewarded  with reprehensible behavior.  The fact that this misuse was  delivered by one of my own "countrymen" is an especial affront.
  That having been written, may I implore you to not make a shrine of this 
miserable  piece of business.  There is no dollar value that can be placed  upon the  comparative unhappiness dwelling upon it will ultimately  deliver upon you.
 I do not know you and will, in all likelihood,  never be so privileged.  I implore you to let this go and be happy  in all other ways that you might find.  Please consider my advice  and, if your heart can see the validity, follow it.  So many other  wonderful things await you...things that money cannot and will not ever  buy.
  JM
  
R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:  $US 1700.00
Also there is the nasty taste of being ripped off by a liar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest


> R&M-
>  I am not involved in this in any way.  I'm just a fella in New  York who 
> has followed this unfortunate piece of business.  Don't  tell me if you 
> choose to not do so, but, how much money is actually  involved in this 
> sorry mess?
>  Thanks and best...
>  JM
>
> R & M Ingold  wrote:
> I received this from George Best yesterday. He said to go ahead and share
> it. I am just disgusted beyond words! I have no legal action against him
> but, I am told that the PO and the Justice dept are on to him. But, I 
> still
> dont see why he wont supply what I have, in good faith, paid for.
>
> <
>
> I had a funeral to go to in Eastern Oregon on Friday which meant I needed 
> to
> drive through Bend Oregon where Bromps lives.
>
> We arrived in Bend on Thursday evening and I tried calling Bromps from our
> motel room.  Just got his answering machine and am sure they screen all
> their calls and only speak to people they trust.
>
> So we drove over to Bromps house.  Found the house and rang the door bell 
> as
> we could see that someone was at home.  His wife came to the door and 
> asked
> "who's there?".  She opened the door after I told her who I was (I sure 
> she
> had no idea who I was) and said that Bob was gone for the evening.  There
> was a empty space in the driveway so I believed her and we left.
>
> Next morning after breakfast we drove back over to Bromps place.  It has
> snowed during the night and when we got there, there was a bare spot in 
> the
> driveway where a car had been parked and tracks going away.  So no point 
> in
> stopping and we headed on our trip to the funeral 130 miles away.
>
> Friday evening we were back at Bend on our way home and stopped at Bromps
> house again.  This time there was another vehicle in the driveway so was
> sure he was home.
>
> Rang the bell and Bob answered the door!
>
> Told him who I was and that I'd like to pick up the flywheels for Reg and
> that I'd handle the shipping.
>
> He basically told me, "You don't want to get involved in this."
>
> He also told me that he has the flywheels, but can't release them even if 
> he
> wanted to, since there are various unspecified things currently in process
> and until some things are resolved he couldn't do it.
>
> He was pretty friendly with me, showed me his shop and several models he 
> had
> in process or almost completed and there were lots of casting laying 
> around.
> Didn't see 8 flywheels for Reg lined up, but I don't doubt that he 
> probably
> has them there as he had plenty of flywheel castings laying around.
>
> At this point I think it basically is in the hands of the legal system.
> Meaning, between Reg, Bob, and the authorities.  I'm perfectly willing to
> make a statement that Bromps owes Reg the 8 flywheels since I've talked to
> him last November and yesterday and both times he didn't deny that Reg is
> owed the flywheels, and in November had said he was shipping them soon.
> (Hah!)
>
> I don't know what Reg has done so far, but Reg obviously has gotten Bromps
> attention although what he is doing about it I don't know.
>
> As I said before, this has apparently reached the point where it will take 
> a
> legal decision against Bromps to force him to return money or deliver the
> goods.  He isn't going to hand them over to anyone at this point.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 30 17:24:17 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:24:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
Message-ID: <20060130.172418.1480.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Let's not forget the 40 HP Maytag that pumped water for the RR at Kelso
CA.   They had rope start, the passing train snagged the rope to pull it
over and start.  Was used that way for years.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:59 -0500 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
writes:
> Dave,
>     It's really neat to watch one of the 40 HP's being started.  
> They 
> have a platform that you literally have to jump off of and onto the 
> 
> start pedal.  A bit dangerous but Maytag was determined to simply 
> "scale 
> up" the smaller models.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 30 17:34:53 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:34:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
References: <20060131003806.20882.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Jim,
This all started as a warning to others in the hobby (There are a lot of 
modelmakers in our ranks.),not to deal with this ***** .    I am not alone 
in being done by him.
As it progressed, others became interested in the outcome, so I have kept 
the lists informed.
As you seem to feel that I should no longer report progress, I will no 
longer mention it on the lists.
But, It WAS list members who have been helping me with it. A situation that 
shows the goodness in most of the members. Most of us are happy to help each 
other with support and friendship no matter where we are on the globe.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>

> R&M-
> I would be the very last to suggest  that the significant amount of $1700 
> (in any country's currency) is  (nor should it be) easily dismissed.  At 
> the same time, I  recognize that the "gut feel" of being cheated 
> (disregarding the  monetary factor) is anathema to you as it would be to 
> me.




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Jan 30 19:09:22 2006
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:09:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>

Message: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890 at chaos>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?

Is it a fuel tank or something else?



Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
Runnin' with the wind ......
8^)



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 30 19:21:31 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:21:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
Message-ID: <00d101c62615$6eada400$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

It is the fuel tank.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim" <marshallman at iprimus.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30


> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
> From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890 at chaos>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?
>
> Is it a fuel tank or something else?
>
>
>
> Jim
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> Runnin' with the wind ......
> 8^)
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 30 19:24:37 2006
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:24:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <20060131003806.20882.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
	<043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43DED875.6080104@earthlink.net>

<snip>
This all started as a warning to others in the hobby (There are a lot of 
modelmakers in our ranks.),not to deal with this ***** .    I am not 
alone in being done by him.
As it progressed, others became interested in the outcome, so I have 
kept the lists informed.
As you seem to feel that I should no longer report progress, I will no 
longer mention it on the lists.

G'day Reg,

You have done us all a service with your reports and warning. I am just 
getting started with models and if my first dealing had been with this 
LRB, I have no doubt it may have been the end of my attempt at models. 
My budget can't handle not getting what I paid for and buying another. 
Keep the reports coming mate.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 30 19:26:23 2006
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:26:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
Message-ID: <00d801c62616$1d2703f0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

There is a valve in the glass bottle lid that opens when the jar is inverted 
and set down in the engine base that you see in the bottom view of the 
ENGINE.
Kitchen stoves among other appliances used this system but with kerosene.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim" <marshallman at iprimus.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30


> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:37:04 +1030
> From: "derek" <djohn2 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [SEL] saved from the axe
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c62552$a19acaa0$fccb8890 at chaos>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?
>
> Is it a fuel tank or something else?
>
>
>
> Jim
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> Runnin' with the wind ......
> 8^)
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 30 19:32:57 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:32:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
Message-ID: <20060130.193257.1564.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jim.
Yes it is the fuel tank.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:09:22 +1100 "Jim" <marshallman at iprimus.com.au>
writes:

>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_
W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> 
> Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar 
> is?
> 
> Is it a fuel tank or something else?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> Runnin' with the wind ......
> 8^)
>


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jan 30 19:48:44 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
References: <200601301700.k0UH04ml011943@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<014801c62613$bc96c770$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130224732.11394520@mail.alltel.net>


>http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Maytag-Mult-Motor-Fruit-Jar-Gas-Engine_W0QQitemZ7215343596QQcategoryZ13546QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
>Can someone please tell me what the significance of the fruit jar is?
>Is it a fuel tank or something else?
>Jim
It's a gasoline tank for the motor.
         Dave 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Jan 30 17:56:15 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:56:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun engine weekend part 2.
References: <43DE3EE3.7080406@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c62609$8559e4e0$0b151941@pengy>

Curt you will be happy to know that the power company strung the new wires 
to my building today and as soon as I complete some testing of equipment the 
Tod Engine Works foundry will be in operation!!!

A very good day!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: [SEL] Fun engine weekend part 2.


> On Saturday I finally finished up the Stickney fuel pumper project. You 
> may recall last winter I was making several patterns to cast Stickney fuel 
> pump parts. After finishing Devin's engine last summer I started machining 
> these castings and finished back in the fall. Since them I've been working 
> on the plunger and all the other little parts inside. All that was left 
> was plumbing the fuel system in black iron. Here are a few pictures from 
> Saturday.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/StickneyPlumbing/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Hope you enjoy.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 31 03:38:23 2006
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:38:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps latest
In-Reply-To: <043d01c62606$8d1cec20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20060131113823.501.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

R&M-
 Please do not misunderstand.  I,  also, find such cheating to be repugnant.  Too, if there was  anything that I could do to assist in "making you whole" I would do so  without hesitancy.
  As indicated, I truly hope that, at the end of it, things resolve to your liking.
  JM

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:  Jim,
This all started as a warning to others in the hobby (There are a lot of 
modelmakers in our ranks.),not to deal with this ***** .    I am not alone 
in being done by him.
As it progressed, others became interested in the outcome, so I have kept 
the lists informed.
As you seem to feel that I should no longer report progress, I will no 
longer mention it on the lists.
But, It WAS list members who have been helping me with it. A situation that 
shows the goodness in most of the members. Most of us are happy to help each 
other with support and friendship no matter where we are on the globe.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 

> R&M-
> I would be the very last to suggest  that the significant amount of $1700 
> (in any country's currency) is  (nor should it be) easily dismissed.  At 
> the same time, I  recognize that the "gut feel" of being cheated 
> (disregarding the  monetary factor) is anathema to you as it would be to 
> me.


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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 31 06:00:37 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:00:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston core box and pattern update.
Message-ID: <43DF6D85.5000106@imc-group.com>

Worked a few more hours in the shop last night gluing things together. 
Got the boss put in the corebox and also the small rib that runs from 
the top of the boss up and under the crown of the piston. Here is the 
link. Last 5 pictures at the bottom.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html>
Hope you enjoy.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 31 06:25:06 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:25:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0601310921480.45404@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I wonder if the winning bidder realized he was bidding on a repro?
Sheesh!!  The mind boggles...

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7584362645

Winning bid: US $114.77

This is an Iron Casting made from an Original Novo Water Hopper Cover. It
fits any 3 15/16 inch to 4 1/16 inch Hopper Hole.?I was told that all 1
cylinder Novo Water Hopper Holes from 1 h.p. up to 10 h.p. are the same
size. If this isn't true please email me the facts and Please Measure
your water hopper before bidding.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jan 31 08:00:22 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:00:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060131104707.03623868@web1.nlenet.net>

Hi  I am looking at a old air compressor in Memphis TN  It is a old dental 
type, weighs about 100 lb.  Is there any one who lives near there and could 
pick it up for me.  Once picked up I would like to see if it could work 
it's way north and we could meat at a show.  Perhaps Coolsprings, or Rough 
and tumble,   I am near Rochester NY

Thanks

Frank DeWitt



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  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 31 10:13:01 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:13:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ft. Meade show.
Message-ID: <43DFA8AD.7060509@imc-group.com>

Hey guys,
Is the Ft Meade show in Florida (Feb 22nd - 26th) a good one? Worth 
driving from NC there?
Curt


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Jan 31 13:25:05 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:25:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Ft. Meade show.
In-Reply-To: <08e501c626a5$36282de0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com>
References: <43DFA8AD.7060509@imc-group.com>
	<08e501c626a5$36282de0$a0a7fea9@toltbbs.com>
Message-ID: <43DFD5B1.2000600@imc-group.com>

Jim,
And I'd like to add a few questions too.
I gather it is thickly settled like Portland. Are newbies going to be 
able to come to this show for the first time and be able to find a place 
to set up?
Is there an established SEL area like we've done at Portland and 
Coolsprings?

I'd sure hate to tow a gooseneck trailer full of stuff down there only 
to find no space available because I haven't attended before and have no 
assigned slot. Curt

Jim Dunmyer wrote:

>If this is the Florida Flywheelers show, we've heard a lot of good things
>about it and are planning on making the trip from Michigan. Will be taking
>the Vaughn model along for display.
>
>Does anyone know if you have to be a member to display? Can you join when
>you arrive?
>
>                                                      <<Jim>>
>
>  
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 31 15:04:02 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:04:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060131104707.03623868@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <006d01c626ba$a1d018e0$230110ac@PAUL>

Frank, contact SEL member Bill Miller at BillMil357 at aol.com He might can 
help you as he lives in Memphis, he could only store it for you until you 
could find a ride for it as Bill does not make any show except the one at 
Evansville, Indiana.

Paul




DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN


> Hi  I am looking at a old air compressor in Memphis TN  It is a old dental
> type, weighs about 100 lb.  Is there any one who lives near there and 
> could
> pick it up for me.  Once picked up I would like to see if it could work
> it's way north and we could meat at a show.  Perhaps Coolsprings, or Rough
> and tumble,   I am near Rochester NY
>
> Thanks
>
> 




From BillMil357 at aol.com  Tue Jan 31 16:02:43 2006
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:02:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
Message-ID: <1e1.4c7b604f.311154a3@aol.com>

Hey Frank Dewitt;
 
Why didn't you holler to me I live in Memphis, and will pick it up for you  
and will take it to the Siam Show in Evansville, Indiana around the 10th. of  
June and then maybe Glen Karch or Keith Kenny can get it on North to one of the 
 shows, let me know the detail's right away.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Miller
Memphis, TN.


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Jan 31 16:27:26 2006
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:27:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] engine trip
Message-ID: <20060201002728.493D162784F@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org>

Hi Dave, Have you checked Harry's lately? There are several oil field
engines for sale in different states or disrepair. You can back right up to
these and load one. I know it's not as much fun as wandering through the
woods but maybe you can buy two for what it cost to get one out of the
woods. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA ,415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan

 



From reb at apex.net  Tue Jan 31 17:11:18 2006
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:11:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN 
References: <1e1.4c7b604f.311154a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c626cc$68dc4dd0$0202a8c0@Dads>

Bill know a fellow going to Evansville and he plans on going on to 
Coolsprings but that is a long time off.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillMil357 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN


> Hey Frank Dewitt;
>
> Why didn't you holler to me I live in Memphis, and will pick it up for you
> and will take it to the Siam Show in Evansville, Indiana around the 10th. 
> of
> June and then maybe Glen Karch or Keith Kenny can get it on North to one 
> of the
> shows, let me know the detail's right away.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Miller
> Memphis, TN.
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jan 31 17:28:24 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:28:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER
Message-ID: <20060131.203729.996.3.jlb94@juno.com>

I guess if you NEED it - Price is no object.

I was watching that to see how high it would go.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        
(_o_)          "Management is the art of getting other people to do all
the work."


From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Jan 31 17:51:40 2006
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:51:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net>

Here are some pictures from Arnie of the trip:

http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album23

Thanks Arnie!

PS:  My software has a slideshow feature that is real neat.   Try it.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Jan 31 17:55:07 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip
In-Reply-To: <200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net>
	<200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <ab55c66369bd025545960be77f1835ba@chartertn.net>

You left out the scantily clad girl!

John

On Jan 31, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:

> Here are some pictures from Arnie of the trip:


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA