*if you lack a lathe, you can scribe a groove using your pipe cutter, t= hen,=20 with first a triangle and then a round file, cut it to a sufficient depth.

**a unit of measure that is slightly smaller than the normal,=20 larger amount of grease that comes out and gets all over everything.

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 20 10:44:18 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:44:18 -0000 Subject: [SEL] 32 HP John Robson Engine References: <200602201706343.SM01648@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <001d01c6364d$a9423cf0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: [SEL] 32 HP John Robson Engine > Hi Everyone, > Yet another page added. > Some friends recently "discovered" this 32 HP John Robson engine in > Johannesburg. > > I've searched the net for info on this engine but apart from a few > smaller ones in Aus have drawn a blank. Any info will be appreciated > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry, see "The A to Z of British Stationary Engines" Part 2 pages 61 & 62. Is this engine a deisel?, as Robsons were amongst the first big British horizontal deisels. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 20 09:46:56 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:46:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <200602191700.k1JH03sJ016626@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <20060220211962.SM01420@new.databak.co.za> At 12:00 PM 19/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:11:17 +0000 >From: Listerdiesel > > >The 'meltdown' aspect is what COULD happen should the server be >seriously compromised by a virus or worm and we all lose our sites. I >don't think this is likely, but at the same time I am not prepared to >take chances with my own or other people's sites. Hi Peter, What would happen in a case like this - if the sites all get wiped out. I realise that we have free hosting thanks to Jim but surely they have a backup of the whole site held elsewhere. My (commercially hosted) business site is automatically backed up every 24 hours (by the hosting company) just in case something goes wrong. There would be chaos if we all had to reload our sites manually. Imagine how slow the traffic would be to Oldengine if all the members were trying to upload their sites over a few days. I'm not trying to be alarmist - Oldengine seems to be run very professionally and I'd be very surprised if they did not have a contingency plan - I'm pretty sure that they must have backups. I do and would be surprised if other members did not also keep backups. Having a Data Recovery business I have noticed that more and more people are learning that backups are very necessary especially with websites as these are not normally on your own space or under your control. Also, Jim has been away as you mentioned and has not had a chance to post to the list and explain what this is all about. I only get the Digest version and it is only due in about half an hour so this may all have been explained by the time I receive it. Best regards Jerry Evans. Visit our website: www.databak.co.za --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 20 10:30:24 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:30:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 23, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200602171700.k1HH04uw027386@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602202119843.SM01616@new.databak.co.za> At 12:00 PM 17/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:30:30 -0000 >From: "Dave Croft" >Subject: Re: [SEL] webshots pics >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Hi Jerry, I have been collecting engines for 25 years & that Benford >top on the Bamford Is a new one to me. >Dave Croft >Warrington Hi Dave, I'm not sure if I've already answered this one so apologize if this is duplicate. The Benford top is on a Petter (not a Bamford) They were made for the Benford Concrete mixers and the hopper was made "lower and wider" obviously to fit into the concrete mixer. The rectangular shape of the hopper looks like the old wall hung cisterns in a toilet - hence the rather uncomplimentary nickname "Bogtop". They do seem pretty rare - I've only come across a few on the net and this is the first one I've seen here but have heard that someone else has one. It is not my engine - Belongs to Neville Botha - he is South Africa's equivalent to Roland Craven - both nuts about Petter. Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 20 10:02:49 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:02:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <200602181700.k1IH0323020376@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602202119765.SM01420@new.databak.co.za> At 12:00 PM 18/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:49:08 -0500 >From: "Spencer Yost" >Subject: [SEL] Re: Get it together Spencer > >First, thanks for the overwhelming support. As many of you have said on >the AT list and on the SEL list, you don't ave trouble with delays (a few >minutes to an hour or so is "normal"). > >Spencer Yost >Owner, ATIS >Plow the Net! >http://www.atis.net Hi Spencer, We're all behind you but I gotta tell you that if my digest is not here by about 7.00 every evening (local time) I start getting withdrawal symptoms :-) This leads to complications in my life and I get all "cranky" - the kids keep their distance (they're both over 30) - the animals hide away and the level in the Brandy bottle goes down quicker than usual. So if you would like to help keep my home the pleasant place it normally is then get me my SEL digest on time :-) (For those of you on the list who do not have much of a sense of humour the above was written with a smile on my face and is meant to be a light hearted joke - please do not send me flames !!) Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 12:05:19 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:05:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> Message-ID: <008001c63658$fa381840$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came with my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? Mine's > missing. > > RickinMt. > > > >> >> Hi Larry, >> Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request >> so >> that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. I >> don't From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Feb 20 12:20:15 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:20:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> <008001c63658$fa381840$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000701c6365b$106f6ee0$d085dccb@oemcomputer> Hit&Miss have repos for $17.50.Hardly worth the effort making one. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "paulmaples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:05 Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came with > my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > > > > Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? Mine's > > missing. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > >> > >> Hi Larry, > >> Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request > >> so > >> that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. I > >> don't > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 19 21:31:47 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:31:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events In-Reply-To: <000601c635c7$06d38f90$91128d41@lyle0592c054dd> References: <000601c635c7$06d38f90$91128d41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060220002938.0d8a6030@mail.alltel.net> At 09:40 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote: >To the list members >I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio and >I'm disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I'm interested in >shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does >any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these states >starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list >members for their time and support of this web site. >Lyle DeWitt Myles Hi Lyle, The _SHOW DIRECTORY_ will give you all the information you are asking for. See: https://www.farmcollector.com/fcmec/router.aspx?PageId=ProDetail&ItemNumber=2405 Hope to see you at several shows this summer! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 20 11:58:22 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:58:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <200602202119765.SM01420@new.databak.co.za> References: <200602181700.k1IH0323020376@heavyiron.atis.net> <200602202119765.SM01420@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060220145753.0d9371e8@mail.alltel.net> > (For those of you on the list who do not have much of a sense of humour > the above was written with a smile on my face and is meant to be a light > hearted joke - please do not send me flames !!) >Jerry Evans ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 20 12:16:07 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:16:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD In-Reply-To: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> References: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060220151300.0d9bdfb0@mail.alltel.net> >Hi Larry, >Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request so >that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little >ZD. I don't >remember Rob suggesting it might hurt me. The BIG debate over cranks on the >SEL was later. >Ron Carroll Hi Twin, Without such a warning from Rob the law is on your side. Use the crank any way you choose and if ANYONE is ever hurt with it the law will find AGAINST Rob! Dave PS, With psychological damage, pain and suffering (and actual medical expenses) you should be able to retire! From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Feb 20 12:55:49 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:55:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Super Southern Swap Ballarat Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060221074934.00bcdbd0@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day all, This coming weekend the Ballarat swap meet is on again. re:24th, 25th & 26th Feb. For those Ozzies who like to come along a number of us list folk share sites 1656 to 1659. All most welcome to drop in; introduce yourself; share an ale! we even talk engines all day long :-) It's a great weekend with freinds and always no shortage of more goodies to buy to fill a spare place in your shed. Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jthall at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 20 14:45:25 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:45:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events References: <000601c635c7$06d38f90$91128d41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <00a301c6366f$583c3b90$5cec4c0c@D48VHZ61> I think Antique Power and Stemgas (or whoever owns GEM) still publishes show directories. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events > > To the list members > > I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio > and > I'm disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I'm interested in > > shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does > any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these > states > > > starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list > members for their time and support of this web site. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles > > > McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of > America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office > chair. > . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Feb 20 15:37:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:37:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 32 HP John Robson Engine In-Reply-To: <200602201706343.SM01648@new.databak.co.za> References: <200602201706343.SM01648@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <43FA52D4.8030408@scrtc.com> Jerry, Are the Robson engines very desirable? I know where there is a small one (maybe 6 HP?) that needs some attention. It has the curved spoke flywheels. I know nothing about the engines and would appreciate any assistance or info that anyone can give on them. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi Everyone, > Yet another page added. > Some friends recently "discovered" this 32 HP John Robson engine in > Johannesburg. > > > I've searched the net for info on this engine but apart from a > few smaller ones in Aus have drawn a blank. Any info will be appreciated > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > AND REMEMBER ------ > Jerry Evans From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 20 15:56:12 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:56:12 EST Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD Message-ID: <254.6bc7b1d.312bb11c@aol.com> In a message dated 2/20/2006 12:07:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came with my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know. Hi, I have made two ZD cranks using Rob's schematic. To make my job easier, I fabricated a jig to help maintain the crank dimensions and bend angles. I used a ?" socket bolt for the engaging pin. One thing I discovered is that 9/16" diameter rod is hard to find. Last year at the antique engine show, I saw one exhibitor start a ZD using a short end of a ZD crank with a the engaging pin and an electric drill. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1140479771 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/20/2006 12:07:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came with
my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know.

Hi,

I have made two ZD cranks using Rob's schematic. To make my job easier, I fabricated a jig to help maintain the crank dimensions and bend angles. I used a ?" socket bolt for the engaging pin. One thing I discovered is that 9/16" diameter rod is hard to find.

Last year at the antique engine show, I saw one exhibitor start a ZD using a short end of a ZD crank with a the engaging pin and an electric drill.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 20 17:21:05 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:21:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> <008001c63658$fa381840$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul..thanks,,but I got the crank, just don't have the outer spinning handle. Is that something like having a lot of tools but not too many handles?...gosh I hope not. Preciate the offer! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paulmaples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came > with > my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > > > > Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? > > Mine's > > missing. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > >> > >> Hi Larry, > >> Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request > >> so > >> that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. > >> I > >> don't > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 20 17:21:51 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:21:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <2c0.5544077.312b62d8@aol.com> Message-ID: Ok Ron gotcha...thanks!!! Rick > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 12:12:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? Mine's > missing. > > RickinMt. > > > > Hi Rick, > > Using your lathe*, cut a groove in the crank rod. Then, fit the tube > handle in place, heat it, and roll it with a dulled pipe cutter which > will provide > the crease that holds it. You'll need a torch (propane is adequate), > vise > to hold the handle, and vise grips will do nicely for turning the tube in > the > pipe cutter. If you wish to be really uptown, knurl the tube on your > lathe > before fitting it to the crank. Finally, for the excessively anally > compulsive, drill, bore, and thread a recessed zerk fitting in the handle > end to use > for applying just that dab** of grease that keeps the handle tube turning > freely. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 20 18:57:05 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:57:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <20060220.185706.1368.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I picked up this Cub cadet this weekend. Plan on re powering it with Chinese Diesel just for laughs. Can anyone identify the model? The tag on the differential says; serial no. 200435. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31146541&p=73772226 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31146541&p=73772228 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31146541&p=73772230 &f=0 Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Feb 20 19:18:03 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:18:03 EST Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <2c8.3d173f0.312be06b@aol.com> Ron H, I was over on a Cub Cadet list when your message was put in my mailbox, I am also into Cadets, I hope to have you an answer in just a little while. Thanks, Bill Miller. -------------------------------1140491882 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ron H,

I was over on a Cub Cadet list when your message was put in my mailbox,= I=20 am also into Cadets, I hope to have you an answer in just a little while.

Thanks, Bill Miller.

From Frank at lbpinc.com Mon Feb 20 19:22:42 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:22:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060220221335.02b17e80@web1.nlenet.net> I cant say for sure but model 102 or 122 will be close enough for parts. Great tractor, You will not hurt or over power the transmission. Parts are easy to get. BTW Some people think the input to the transmission turns backwards. A normal Kohler engine sits in it with the power shaft facing FORWARD. The tractor is powered from the end that usually has the pull rope and fan. check it out before you bolt up your new engine. The transmission is a 3 speed but has a large reduction gear on the input shaft. The drive shaft drives this Very large gear through a small gear. Frank Hi all. I picked up this Cub cadet this weekend. Plan on re powering it with Chinese Diesel just for laughs. Can anyone identify the model? The tag on the differential says; serial no. 200435. Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 20 19:33:46 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:33:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com><008001c63658$fa381840$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <006701c63697$a00ac5e0$230110ac@PAUL> Come to think of it Rick mine does not have the outer handle either so I am going to have to try and use the "Twin's " idea to make me one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > Paul..thanks,,but I got the crank, just don't have the outer spinning > handle. > > Is that something like having a lot of tools but not too many > handles?...gosh I hope not. > > > Preciate the offer! > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paulmaples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > > >> Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came >> with >> my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD >> >> >> > Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? >> > Mine's >> > missing. >> > >> > RickinMt. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Hi Larry, >> >> Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my >> >> request >> >> so >> >> that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. >> >> I >> >> don't >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Feb 20 20:28:33 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:28:33 EST Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <249.726b392.312bf0f1@aol.com> Ron H. I can't tell you what Model the Cadet is yet but it was made in June 1967. Thanks Bill Miller. -------------------------------1140496113 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ron H.

I can't tell you what Model the Cadet is yet but it was made in June=20 1967.

Thanks Bill Miller.

From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Feb 20 20:39:06 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:39:06 EST Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <99.7031eca3.312bf36a@aol.com> Ron There are four fellows over on the Cadet list that say it is a 123 Cadet. Thanks, Bill. -------------------------------1140496746 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ron

There are four fellows over on the Cadet list that say it is a 123=20 Cadet.

Thanks, Bill.

From BillMil357 at aol.com Mon Feb 20 20:55:21 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:55:21 EST Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <96.36bc908f.312bf739@aol.com> Ron Haskell Send me your E-mail address, Bill M. _billmil357 at aol.com_ (mailto:billmil357 at aol.com) -------------------------------1140497721 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ron Haskell

Send me your E-mail address,

Bill M.

billmil357 at aol.com

From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 20 21:29:54 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:29:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <20060220.212955.1368.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Bill Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:28:33 EST BillMil357 at aol.com writes: > Ron H. > > I can't tell you what Model the Cadet is yet but it was made in June > 1967. > > Thanks Bill Miller. > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 20 21:31:21 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:31:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet Message-ID: <20060220.213121.1368.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Frank. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:22:42 -0500 Frank DeWitt writes: > I cant say for sure but model 102 or 122 will be close enough for > parts. Great tractor, You will not hurt or over power the > transmission. Parts are easy to get. BTW Some people think the > input to > the transmission turns backwards. A normal Kohler engine sits in it > with > the power shaft facing FORWARD. The tractor is powered from the end > that > usually has the pull rope and fan. check it out before you bolt up > your > new engine. > > The transmission is a 3 speed but has a large reduction gear on the > input > shaft. The drive shaft drives this Very large gear through a small > gear. > > Frank From lyle45859 at netzero.com Mon Feb 20 18:41:55 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:41:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events In-Reply-To: <00a301c6366f$583c3b90$5cec4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <000101c63690$61eb7810$13968a41@lyle0592c054dd> Thanks John I went online and found the web site you talked about. Again thanks for your time on sending me the information. Lyle DeWitt Myles McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] information on shows and events I think Antique Power and Stemgas (or whoever owns GEM) still publishes show directories. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events > > To the list members > > I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio > and > I'm disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I'm interested in > > shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does > any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these > states > > > starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list > members for their time and support of this web site. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles > > > McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of > America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office > chair. > . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Mon Feb 20 22:05:58 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:05:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) Message-ID: <00f001c636ac$e48e1770$210110ac@service> Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, it has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i cant find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to date it, it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, cheers for now. Chester from West Aussie From lyle45859 at netzero.com Mon Feb 20 18:29:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:29:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060220002938.0d8a6030@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c6368e$a94d4ff0$13968a41@lyle0592c054dd> I'd like to thank all the list members who have helped me locate information on shows. I deeply appreciate your time and effort on this. Thank you Lyle DeWitt Myles McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] information on shows and events At 09:40 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote: >To the list members >I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio and >I'm disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I'm interested in >shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does >any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these states >starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list >members for their time and support of this web site. >Lyle DeWitt Myles Hi Lyle, The _SHOW DIRECTORY_ will give you all the information you are asking for. See: https://www.farmcollector.com/fcmec/router.aspx?PageId=ProDetail&ItemNumber= 2405 Hope to see you at several shows this summer! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 20 23:26:11 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:26:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) References: <00f001c636ac$e48e1770$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <026f01c636b8$1acc5940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I have a sneaking memory that this might just be one of the first F&Js imported without flywheels to save shipping costs, There were companies here prepared to produce wheels at a big saving. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, it has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i cant find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to date it, it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, cheers for now. Chester from West Aussie _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 21 01:23:27 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:23:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) In-Reply-To: <00f001c636ac$e48e1770$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <20060221092311.CXTY10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Chester, By crankshaft driven magneto do you mean it is direct drive off the crank at the back of the engine (ie the magneto is sitting above the crank at the back of the engine) or is the magneto driven off an idler gear and sits on the side of the engine to the right of the flywheel. If it is at the back it is most likely a Rosebery built Buzacott which had a small brass Buzacott badge on the flywheel. If the magneto is to the right of the flywheel it is probably an early Fuller & Johnson which would have had a square badge on the back of the engine. Here is my F&J: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/fjpumper.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, it has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i cant find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to date it, it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, cheers for now. Chester from West Aussie From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 21 03:35:30 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:35:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> RE: 32 HP John Robson Engine In-Reply-To: <200602201706343.SM01648@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <20060221113517.OPVW17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Jerry, That is a nice find. The only big Robson I have seen is the one the Wagga club has but it is a very different engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wagga05/wag05063.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Everyone, Yet another page added. Some friends recently "discovered" this 32 HP John Robson engine in Johannesburg. I've searched the net for info on this engine but apart from a few smaller ones in Aus have drawn a blank. Any info will be appreciated Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 21 04:43:45 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:43:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) References: <00f001c636ac$e48e1770$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <000701c636e4$781010c0$65412ecb@ogborneuah38i3> Glad you found one Chester ..........mine is a Southern Cross . Maybe Bob has a Buzzacott. Are you going to Brookton? ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) > Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, > it has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i > cant find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to > date it, it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, > cheers for now. > Chester from West Aussie > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From falcon at telenet.net Tue Feb 21 05:27:56 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:27:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet References: <20060220.185706.1368.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004b01c636ea$a145ef40$651117d1@net.telenet.net> Ron, That is a model 123, Made in May of 1967, The only problem you may have repowering it is that the hydro is designed to run at full throttle on the original Kohler, around 3000 rpm. Will the Chinese engine rev that high? Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Cub cadet > Hi all. I picked up this Cub cadet this weekend. Plan on re powering it > with Chinese Diesel just for laughs. Can anyone identify the model? The > tag on the differential says; serial no. 200435. > Pictures at: > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31146541&p=73772226 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31146541&p=73772228 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31146541&p=73772230 > &f=0 > > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Feb 21 12:55:00 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:55:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS Message-ID: <000a01c63729$15814ce0$93128d41@lyle0592c054dd> TO ALL LIST MEMBERS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS FOR THE COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS. I WAS INFORMED OVER A YEAR AGO THAT WEB SHOTS CONTAINED SPY WARE. I REDOWNLOADED WEB SHOTS AND SPENT TWO DAYS RUNNING IT THROUGHT EVERY SPY PROGRAM I HAVE ON MY COMPUTER AND A FEW PROGRAMS ONLINE. I COULD NOT DETECT ANY KIND OF SPY WARE ASSOCIATED WITH WEB SHOTS. AGAIN MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES TO THE MEMBERS FOR THIS FALSE INFORMATION AGAINST WEB SHOTS AND PRAY THAT THIS INFORMATION DID NOT CAUSE ANY HARM TO ANY OF THE MEMBERS. McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. ?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at netzero.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 21 13:39:46 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:39:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS References: <000a01c63729$15814ce0$93128d41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <00c401c6372f$561adef0$230110ac@PAUL> No harm done Lyle, better safe than sorry. Quit beating yourself up, we all appreciate your concern. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS > TO ALL LIST MEMBERS > I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS FOR THE COUNTERFEIT > INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS. I WAS INFORMED OVER A YEAR AGO THAT > WEB SHOTS CONTAINED SPY WARE. I REDOWNLOADED WEB SHOTS AND SPENT TWO DAYS > RUNNING IT THROUGHT EVERY SPY PROGRAM I HAVE ON MY COMPUTER AND A FEW > PROGRAMS ONLINE. I COULD NOT DETECT ANY KIND OF SPY WARE ASSOCIATED WITH > WEB > SHOTS. AGAIN MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES TO THE MEMBERS FOR THIS FALSE > INFORMATION > AGAINST WEB SHOTS AND PRAY THAT THIS INFORMATION DID NOT CAUSE ANY HARM TO > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 21 15:42:05 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:42:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS References: <000a01c63729$15814ce0$93128d41@lyle0592c054dd> <00c401c6372f$561adef0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <002301c63740$6fe82fc0$7f82a33a@ogborneuah38i3> As far as I can see no harm here either Lyle........ignorance is bliss from my point of view! ----- Original Message ----- From: "paulmaples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS > No harm done Lyle, better safe than sorry. Quit beating yourself up, we > all appreciate your concern. > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle Myles" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS > > >> TO ALL LIST MEMBERS >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS FOR THE >> COUNTERFEIT >> INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS. I WAS INFORMED OVER A YEAR AGO THAT >> WEB SHOTS CONTAINED SPY WARE. I REDOWNLOADED WEB SHOTS AND SPENT TWO DAYS >> RUNNING IT THROUGHT EVERY SPY PROGRAM I HAVE ON MY COMPUTER AND A FEW >> PROGRAMS ONLINE. I COULD NOT DETECT ANY KIND OF SPY WARE ASSOCIATED WITH >> WEB >> SHOTS. AGAIN MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES TO THE MEMBERS FOR THIS FALSE >> INFORMATION >> AGAINST WEB SHOTS AND PRAY THAT THIS INFORMATION DID NOT CAUSE ANY HARM >> TO >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Feb 21 17:19:06 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:19:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) References: <20060221092311.CXTY10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <00b101c6374d$fba175f0$210110ac@service> Hi Patrick, thanks for reply, my engine has magneto above crank driven directly off it, so looks like a Buzzacott, cheers for now, Chester from W.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) > Hi Chester, > By crankshaft driven magneto do you mean it is direct drive off the > crank at the back of the engine (ie the magneto is sitting above the crank > at the back of the engine) or is the magneto driven off an idler gear and > sits on the side of the engine to the right of the flywheel. > If it is at the back it is most likely a Rosebery built Buzacott which had > a > small brass Buzacott badge on the flywheel. If the magneto is to the right > of the flywheel it is probably an early Fuller & Johnson which would have > had a square badge on the back of the engine. > Here is my F&J: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Graphics/fjpumper.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, > it > has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i cant > find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to date > it, > it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, cheers for > now. > Chester from West Aussie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 21 19:48:47 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:48:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218154435.0d6e5518@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602181511h41630f6as887314b812b61cb6@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218202044.025b1e60@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602190031o656355a8l5283d55d03630a85@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> >OK, I'll see if Greg has the option of doing that and restoring things >as they were before. >Thanks again for the input. >Peter Hi Peter, Was this all a false alarm then? Please advise! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 21 20:25:10 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:25:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte fuel filter References: <20060219.203816.1292.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron, Call Doug Waggonner 1-800-331-3662..believe he's in Oklahoma. Just talked to him on chat..He's an Arrow guy. Hope this works out Rickinmt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Witte fuel filter > Hi all. > I am about to complete my Witte Dieselectric engine and would like to > replace the fuel filter. The original works but is bent up. Where would > I find a replacement for an American Bosch FSA 10R1? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 21 21:01:47 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:01:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte fuel filter Message-ID: <20060221.210147.920.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Rick. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:25:10 -0700 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Ron, Call Doug Waggonner 1-800-331-3662..believe he's in Oklahoma. > Just > talked to him on chat..He's an Arrow guy. > > Hope this works out > > Rickinmt. From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Feb 22 03:28:03 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:28:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] For your perusal Message-ID: <43FC4AC3.6020809@wightman.ca> Found this in some tractor related classifieds. http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=127486&query=retrieval Duncan -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Feb 22 03:30:12 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:30:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] And another Message-ID: <43FC4B44.6030907@wightman.ca> http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=126601&query=retrieval -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Wed Feb 22 04:30:44 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:30:44 EST Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) Message-ID: <22e.6d08b4e.312db374@aol.com> Chester the tail of the direction arrow on the flywheel should have the serial no stamped in it and also under the cover on the the end of the crankshaft. 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Skype name Woadmere From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 22 05:41:45 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:41:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portable Pony starter Message-ID: Howdy all; I've seen a few starter (Pony) motors but this one looks like it has possibilities. I'm thinking MoPar starter. Any thoughts? http://www.arrowengine.com/media/990starter.pdf Ole weak fart in Mt. Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Feb 22 06:13:39 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:13:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y P E T E R Message-ID: Rita..time to put the brakes on the other half!!! Have a very fine Birthday Peter!!!!!! Thanks for what you do for the hobby! RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 22 07:07:44 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:07:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portable Pony starter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222100652.026467a8@mail.alltel.net> Why on earth would anyone want a thing like this? Dave At 08:41 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: > Howdy all; > I've seen a few starter (Pony) motors but this one looks like it has >possibilities. I'm thinking MoPar starter. > >Any thoughts? > >http://www.arrowengine.com/media/990starter.pdf > >Ole weak fart in Mt. > >Rick From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 22 07:14:31 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:14:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show??? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222101208.0d8a0870@mail.alltel.net> Anyone plan on getting to the Zolfo show (March 1-5) this year? I'll arrive on the 1st and will be in EX. #6--right near the main office. Who else will attend? Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 22 08:02:42 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:02:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portable Pony starter In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222100652.026467a8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222100652.026467a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, It's just the thing for the wimps who have been scared off using the hand crank and haven't yet learned how to tickle their ignitor (or whatever would be the equivalent on the engine this would fit). See ya, Arnie On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Why on earth would anyone want a thing like this? > > At 08:41 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: > > I've seen a few starter (Pony) motors but this one looks like it has > >possibilities. I'm thinking MoPar starter. > >http://www.arrowengine.com/media/990starter.pdf > >Ole weak fart in Mt. > >Rick From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 22 09:27:15 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:27:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portable Pony starter In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222100652.026467a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222122555.0d7cb640@mail.alltel.net> Yea, I kinda figured that it would be something some pansy- ass (that's a technical term) would use! Dave At 11:02 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >It's just the thing for the wimps who have been scared off using the hand >crank and haven't yet learned how to tickle their ignitor (or whatever >would be the equivalent on the engine this would fit). > >See ya, Arnie > >On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Why on earth would anyone want a thing like this? > > > > At 08:41 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: > > > I've seen a few starter (Pony) motors but this one looks like it has > > >possibilities. I'm thinking MoPar starter. > > >http://www.arrowengine.com/media/990starter.pdf > > >Ole weak fart in Mt. > > >Rick From d.fleming at sasktel.net Wed Feb 22 09:47:37 2006 From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (Don & Kay Fleming) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:47:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portable Pony starter References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222100652.026467a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002501c637d8$256fb7e0$eac0c5d8@2S4KN5K0H3> Arnie, I would appreciate it if you would explain to me how to " Tickle The Ignitor" on a 6 HP International with a low voltage magneto I am sure I could do it with an external power source and some switching but have not figured out how to do it with the existing equipment. Thanks in advance. Don Fleming Kipling, Sk. Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portable Pony starter > Hi Dave, > > It's just the thing for the wimps who have been scared off using the hand > crank and haven't yet learned how to tickle their ignitor (or whatever > would be the equivalent on the engine this would fit). > > See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 10:26:19 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:26:19 +0000 Subject: [SEL] H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y P E T E R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160602221026s26e976e5y612548283f5532a6@mail.gmail.com> On 2/22/06, Richard Strobel wrote: > Rita..time to put the brakes on the other half!!! > > Have a very fine Birthday Peter!!!!!! > Thanks for what you do for the hobby! > RickinMt. Many Thanks, Rick: Big 60 today :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 22 10:03:48 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:03:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portable Pony starter In-Reply-To: <002501c637d8$256fb7e0$eac0c5d8@2S4KN5K0H3> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222100652.026467a8@mail.alltel.net> <002501c637d8$256fb7e0$eac0c5d8@2S4KN5K0H3> Message-ID: Hi Don, You've heard of Edd (The Engine Whisperer) Payne? Well, you need to talk to Dave (The Ignitor Tickler) Rotigel. He's the expert. I'm a mere novice following his directions. I will say that if you've got a rotary LT mag as your only source of electricity and you're trying to start the engine by ticking the ignitor, you're doomed to have nothing but a sore thumb and very puzzled on-lookers. 8-)) However, if you add a battery and coil to the process while you're doing the tickling, you might have the start of a plan. But I'll let The Master offer up the final word on the matter. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Don & Kay Fleming wrote: > I would appreciate it if you would explain to me how to "Tickle the > Ignitor" on a 6 HP International with a low voltage magneto I am sure I > could do it with an external power source and some switching but have not > figured out how to do it with the existing equipment. Thanks in advance. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 00:15:42 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:15:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218202044.025b1e60@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602190031o656355a8l5283d55d03630a85@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160602220015g374d53dbr6c2806c390f1b5a0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/22/06, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >OK, I'll see if Greg has the option of doing that and restoring things > >as they were before. > >Thanks again for the input. > >Peter > > Hi Peter, Was this all a false alarm then? Please advise! > Dave > I have had no word at all from Greg, the technician who looks after the equipment at Oldengine.org. My original recommendations remain. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 22 11:53:12 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:53:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y P E T E R References: <6f6025160602221026s26e976e5y612548283f5532a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e401c637e9$9d609ce0$230110ac@PAUL> Happy Birthday Peter, we wish you many more and are so glad you are part of the SEL family. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y P E T E R > On 2/22/06, Richard Strobel wrote: >> Rita..time to put the brakes on the other half!!! >> >> Have a very fine Birthday Peter!!!!!! >> Thanks for what you do for the hobby! >> RickinMt. > > Many Thanks, Rick: > > Big 60 today :-)) > > Peter > -- > From dahmsden at hmcltd.net Wed Feb 22 12:45:05 2006 From: dahmsden at hmcltd.net (Carl Dahm) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:45:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] engines on Harry's Message-ID: <002601c637f0$dd322e90$92e3cfd8@D4TVSV31> I'm new to this so I hope it works OK!!! I've been encouraged by another list member to report my dealings with Stephen Porter, I bought the Alpha engine he had listed in Jan. and just received it last week and to say the least I'm abit dissapointed!!! From my standpoint he is a bit reckless with the truth, and any further dealings with him would be done very cautiously, and certainly would not buy anything from him sight unseen, pictures can be deceptive as well!!!! So fellow list members beware!!!!!!! Thanks Carl Dahm Monroeville Ohio From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 22 15:56:33 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers Message-ID: <001b01c6380b$9fe24640$2dca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Can anyone [ maybe Dave Croft] advise on where i can get info on an old British Lawn Mower , namely a Qualcast Rotomower? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Feb 22 17:52:26 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:52:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pulley on Ebay Message-ID: <20060222.175227.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Any Idea what this fits? http://cgi.ebay.com/N-O-S-FLAT-BELT-PULLY-IH-JD-MH-NH_W0QQitemZ7591305040 QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 21 00:01:40 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:01:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) References: <00f001c636ac$e48e1770$210110ac@service> <026f01c636b8$1acc5940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <002501c636bd$0bea9680$9c9eecdc@morris> I think all pumpers had their serial number on the end of the main crank I think one of the difference between buzzacott and SC is that Buzzacott has a cast oval primer well and SC has a brass primer cup. I think the amount of fins is also different Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine > > Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, > it has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i > cant find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to > date it, it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, > cheers for now. > Chester from West Aussie http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Wed Feb 22 21:37:35 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:37:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines in them hills In-Reply-To: <006401c60ffd$7fb46870$3500a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <006401c60ffd$7fb46870$3500a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <200602230037350812.2382D5F7@heavyiron.atis.net> As most of you know, Arnie, Dave and I took a walk in the WV hills to visit some oilfield engines. After making a few other calls and checking in a couple of other engines, I have struck a deal with the owner to buy all three WV engines. One of these is going to Brice Adams One is going to me. If someone else wants to get in the deal, let me know cause we got a third. It is a 20HP Reid that is supposedly not stuck, but the flywheel is wedged against the ground and some wood and we couldn't spin it to be sure. The clutch is there and complete. The engine has _very_nice_ skids. It appears that only the oiler and hot tube is missing. The engine is $800. Dave and Arnie saw the engine and they can give you the scoop on the "tilted building" engine. The only decent shot we have of that engine is: http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album23& id=1136_G I am planning on the rescue taking place late March and we will be renting a Cat 307/308 excavator for the weekend($600) to make loading quick and painless. Between the excavator, fuel, and some incidentals like buying some food for helpers, I figure all three engine buyers can anticipate an extra $400/each for incidental expenses. That's it for now - I'm excited (-; Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 23 00:22:25 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:22:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pulley on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20060222.175227.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060222.175227.1472.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <43FD70C1.6030709@wightman.ca> Well Tommy must have an idea. How about it Tom? Duncan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Any Idea what this fits? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/N-O-S-FLAT-BELT-PULLY-IH-JD-MH-NH_W0QQitemZ7591305040 >QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Feb 22 23:38:13 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:38:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines in them hills References: <006401c60ffd$7fb46870$3500a8c0@ARTHUR> <200602230037350812.2382D5F7@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <007401c6384c$1b2d2050$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Spencer A photo series of the recovery will be most welcome when the job is done. Ron Canberra, Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines in them hills > As most of you know, Arnie, Dave and I took a walk in the WV hills to visit > some oilfield engines. After making a few other calls and checking in a > couple of other engines, I have struck a deal with the owner to buy all > three WV engines. One of these is going to Brice Adams One is going to > me. If someone else wants to get in the deal, let me know cause we got a > third. It is a 20HP Reid that is supposedly not stuck, but the flywheel is > wedged against the ground and some wood and we couldn't spin it to be sure. > The clutch is there and complete. The engine has _very_nice_ skids. It > appears that only the oiler and hot tube is missing. The engine is $800. > Dave and Arnie saw the engine and they can give you the scoop on the > "tilted building" engine. The only decent shot we have of that engine is: > > http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album23& > id=1136_G > > I am planning on the rescue taking place late March and we will be renting > a Cat 307/308 excavator for the weekend($600) to make loading quick and > painless. Between the excavator, fuel, and some incidentals like buying > some food for helpers, I figure all three engine buyers can anticipate an > extra $400/each for incidental expenses. > > That's it for now - I'm excited (-; > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 23 11:13:12 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:13:12 +0200 Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers In-Reply-To: <200602231700.k1NH058w013847@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060223211007.00ab2008@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 12:00 PM 23/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:33 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers > > >Can anyone [ maybe Dave Croft] advise on where i can get info on an old >British Lawn Mower , namely a Qualcast Rotomower? >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au Hi Peter, Try Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From nick at holden1.net Thu Feb 23 11:32:59 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:32:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers References: <001b01c6380b$9fe24640$2dca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <43FE0DEB.000001.00144@SN049699720452> Hi Peter Try this hope it helps http://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/index.htm Nick Holden Banbury (UK) nick at holden1.net -------Original Message------- From: peter ogborne Date: 02/23/06 00:08:57 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers Can anyone [ maybe Dave Croft] advise on where i can get info on an old British Lawn Mower , namely a Qualcast Rotomower? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Thu Feb 23 09:53:41 2006 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:53:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pulley on Ebay In-Reply-To: <43FD70C1.6030709@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Bill has one of these in the basement he paid $50 at Portland, it is for a Fairbanks H. Hope this helps, Peg Pfeiffer >From: Duncan Denman >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Pulley on Ebay >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:22:25 -0600 > >Well Tommy must have an idea. >How about it Tom? > >Duncan > >rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > >>Any Idea what this fits? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/N-O-S-FLAT-BELT-PULLY-IH-JD-MH-NH_W0QQitemZ7591305040 >>QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside, California >>USA >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Duncan Denman >Ayton, Ontario >Canada >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >Home Page >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Feb 23 14:25:49 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:25:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pulley on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FE366D.9030002@scrtc.com> I bought the pulley on ebay but I'm not sure what it fits. I like taking the cast pulleys and modifying them to fit whatever I need them for. I had a pulley on the Miami engine at Portland that I purchased off of Ken Meeks. It was for a Massey Harris engine. I cut the lugs off the back of it, slotted the holes and cut 2 inches off the width. Tommy Turner > Bill has one of these in the basement he paid $50 at Portland, it is > for a Fairbanks H. > > Hope this helps, > > Peg Pfeiffer From jimmypriestley at hotmail.com Thu Feb 23 14:49:41 2006 From: jimmypriestley at hotmail.com (Jimmy Priestley) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:49:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wheland Steam Engine Message-ID: I am researching a Wheland 12" X 16" produced in Chattanooga, Tennesee. Who has information on the company? Who has one of their engines? What HP would this one be? Jimmy Priestley 117 Lind Street McMinnville, Tennessee 37110 USA Majestic Gas Engine Homepage: http://www.majesticengine.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 23 15:11:26 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:11:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060223211007.00ab2008@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <006c01c638ce$7c95d350$cafa30cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Nick and Jerry, I have tried those sites ,no reply as yet . But as I knew Dave Croft is on the job .He rang me last night on Skype.We are so lucky to have Dave ,he can Ferret these things out! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers > At 12:00 PM 23/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >>Message: 8 >>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:56:33 +0800 >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers >> >> >>Can anyone [ maybe Dave Croft] advise on where i can get info on an old >>British Lawn Mower , namely a Qualcast Rotomower? >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > Hi Peter, > Try > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > AND REMEMBER ------ > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Feb 23 15:25:52 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:25:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pulley on Ebay Message-ID: <20060223.152553.1232.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:53:41 -0600 "William J Pfeiffer Sr" writes: > Bill has one of these in the basement he paid $50 at Portland, it is > for a > Fairbanks H. > > Hope this helps, > > Peg Pfeiffer > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 23 18:40:18 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:40:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602220015g374d53dbr6c2806c390f1b5a0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218202044.025b1e60@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602190031o656355a8l5283d55d03630a85@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602220015g374d53dbr6c2806c390f1b5a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060223213310.0dd0d2a8@mail.alltel.net> > > Hi Peter, Was this all a false alarm then? Please advise! > > Dave > > > >I have had no word at all from Greg, the technician who looks after >the equipment at Oldengine.org. >My original recommendations remain. >Peter Hi Peter, Please try to contact Greg again. It's time that we had a definitive answer on this from someone who is fully knowledgeable on the subject! If all this has been simply a false alarm we deserve to know. If it is, indeed, something that has "invaded" various Oldengine.org HP's we deserve to know that as well. BUT the important thing is that we need THE FACTS and not simply conjecture! Thanks for all your time on this matter! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 23 19:41:59 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:41:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] COUNTERFEIT INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS In-Reply-To: <000a01c63729$15814ce0$93128d41@lyle0592c054dd> References: <000a01c63729$15814ce0$93128d41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060223223915.0dd07af0@mail.alltel.net> At 03:55 PM 2/21/2006, you wrote: >TO ALL LIST MEMBERS >I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF ALL THE MEMBERS FOR THE COUNTERFEIT >INFORMATION I POSTED ABOUT WEB SHOTS. >Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com Hi Lyle, Nothing wrong with making a mistake in good faith. It's only wrong if one does not admit it and try to correct the misinformation! Dave From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Thu Feb 23 20:26:33 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:26:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) References: <00f001c636ac$e48e1770$210110ac@service><026f01c636b8$1acc5940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <002501c636bd$0bea9680$9c9eecdc@morris> Message-ID: <006501c638fa$7e287d40$210110ac@service> Thanks Kerry & Peter. I have found the engine no 52649, can anyone now give me a rough date, mine has the cast oval primer well, cheers for now. Chester ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzzacott farm pumper (for the aussies) >I think all pumpers had their serial number on the end of the main crank > I think one of the difference between buzzacott and SC is that Buzzacott > has a cast oval primer well and SC has a brass primer cup. I think the > amount of fins is also different > Kerry Morris > Lithgow N.S.W OZ > > WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ > > skype ID: ozengine > >> >> Hi guys, i have just bought a farm pumper and was told it is a buzzacott, >> it has a plain flywheel and a bosch magneto drive off the crankshaft, i >> cant find any serial no, is there anyway to tell what make i have and to >> date it, it also runs a metters no 10 jack pump, can anyone date these, >> cheers for now. >> Chester from West Aussie > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 23:38:53 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:38:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060223213310.0dd0d2a8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602220015g374d53dbr6c2806c390f1b5a0@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060223213310.0dd0d2a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160602232338t7720d4aera474544ad350a855@mail.gmail.com> On 2/24/06, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, > Please try to contact Greg again. It's time that we had a > definitive answer on this from someone who is fully knowledgeable on the > subject! If all this has been simply a false alarm we deserve to know. If > it is, indeed, something that has "invaded" various Oldengine.org HP's we > deserve to know that as well. BUT the important thing is that we need THE > FACTS and not simply conjecture! Thanks for all your time on this matter! > Dave > I have already sent a second request to Greg with no response so far. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Fri Feb 24 03:52:04 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:52:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Famous Message-ID: <001101c63938$bc430b20$b384dccb@oemcomputer> Had a good day.Finished making all the ignition parts,spark saver and early late lever for my 3HP vertical air cooled Famous.It is running great on these parts.Beats the temporary set up that I had. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 24 05:09:07 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:09:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Famous References: <001101c63938$bc430b20$b384dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000701c63943$7ef58710$230110ac@PAUL> Darn Ed from my part of the country we have to see to believe, how about some pictures of the parts and the engine? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Famous > Had a good day.Finished making all the ignition parts,spark saver and > early > late lever for my 3HP vertical air cooled Famous.It is running great on > these parts.Beats the temporary set up that I had. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 24 09:34:11 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:34:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers In-Reply-To: <200602241700.k1OH04DK015312@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602241937734.SM01624@new.databak.co.za> >Message: 6 >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:11:26 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] UK Lawn Mowers >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >Thanks Nick and Jerry, I have tried those sites ,no reply as yet . But as I >knew Dave Croft is on the job .He rang me last night on Skype.We are so >lucky to have Dave ,he can Ferret these things out! Pleasure Peter, I put an enquiry to the club a few months ago - it took about 3 weeks to get an answer that they could not help - but at least they answered. I agree that "Dave is the man" very helpful and always prompt. Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Fri Feb 24 13:37:46 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:37:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> I don't seam to be receiving any list mail,The thread on mowers has not appeared here along with anything else.Could those whom feel so inclined respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From rsrolfne at atnet.net Fri Feb 24 13:50:43 2006 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:50:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43FF7FB3.1050003@atnet.net> Ed - OK here Regards, Bob R. WA, USA edd payne wrote: >I don't seam to be receiving any list mail,The thread on mowers has not >appeared here along with anything else.Could those whom feel so inclined >respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. >EDD PAYNE >PO BOX 364 GULGONG >New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >0263742387 >edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 24 14:16:04 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:16:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> <43FF7FB3.1050003@atnet.net> Message-ID: <000701c6398f$e82f2c30$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Ed - OK here > Regards, > Bob R. > WA, USA Also OK in the UK. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Feb 24 14:31:06 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:31:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002301c63992$049a5730$17cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Ok here too Ed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: [SEL] test >I don't seam to be receiving any list mail,The thread on mowers has not > appeared here along with anything else.Could those whom feel so inclined > respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Feb 24 16:05:58 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:05:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3a55cd6d9bf800a49943aa3ad1927aef@chartertn.net> > Could those whom feel so inclined > respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no > response. Is that like giving it piles? That could get some attention, I expect. Does your method involve incantations, dolls and pins, or gifts of hard cheese? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 24 16:12:20 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:12:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060224191139.026f1428@mail.alltel.net> Sorry Edd, Can't help you. This post never arrived in my In Box! Dave At 04:37 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >I don't seam to be receiving any list mail,The thread on mowers has not >appeared here along with anything else.Could those whom feel so inclined >respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. >EDD PAYNE >PO BOX 364 GULGONG >New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >0263742387 >edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From don.h at wcoil.com Fri Feb 24 16:13:06 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:13:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> <3a55cd6d9bf800a49943aa3ad1927aef@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000601c639a0$40b82b80$6400a8c0@number1> Hey its time to get out the Hog Don in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > >> Could those whom feel so inclined >> respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no >> response. > > Is that like giving it piles? That could get some attention, I expect. > > Does your method involve incantations, dolls and pins, or gifts of hard > cheese? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Feb 24 17:01:54 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:01:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20060224.200427.1116.2.jlb94@juno.com> Testing - Testing - Testing Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Feb 24 17:02:46 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20060224.200427.1116.3.jlb94@juno.com> HOG ??? Like in - Choo Choo ? - or - FLH ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From asouth at strato.net Fri Feb 24 17:37:50 2006 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:37:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show??? References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222101208.0d8a0870@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c639ac$175d33a0$4d00a8c0@ARTHUR> Hey Dave, I'll be there in my usual spot at the West end of EX-1 Arthur southwell Arcadia, Florida, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show??? > Anyone plan on getting to the Zolfo show (March 1-5) this year? I'll > arrive on the 1st and will be in EX. #6--right near the main office. Who > else will attend? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Fri Feb 24 17:48:46 2006 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:48:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000901c6398a$91ec7260$2385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <014901c639ad$9e829040$4d00a8c0@ARTHUR> Ok in Florida, USA! Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: [SEL] test >I don't seam to be receiving any list mail,The thread on mowers has not > appeared here along with anything else.Could those whom feel so inclined > respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 24 18:00:27 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:00:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show??? In-Reply-To: <00cf01c639ac$175d33a0$4d00a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060222101208.0d8a0870@mail.alltel.net> <00cf01c639ac$175d33a0$4d00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060224205943.0267c008@mail.alltel.net> See you there Arthur! Dave At 08:37 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >Hey Dave, >I'll be there in my usual spot at the West end of EX-1 > >Arthur southwell >Arcadia, Florida, USA > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:14 AM >Subject: [SEL] Zolfo Show??? > > >>Anyone plan on getting to the Zolfo show (March 1-5) this year? I'll >>arrive on the 1st and will be in EX. #6--right near the main office. Who >>else will attend? >>Dave >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 24 18:17:47 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:17:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Famous In-Reply-To: <001101c63938$bc430b20$b384dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060225021723.HXDG17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Good stuff Edd. It is a nice, rare engine. Still not as good as an R&V ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Had a good day.Finished making all the ignition parts,spark saver and early late lever for my 3HP vertical air cooled Famous.It is running great on these parts.Beats the temporary set up that I had. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Feb 24 13:46:40 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:46:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <410-220062524214640125@coastalnet.com> Edd, Your post came through here just fine. Ken > [Original Message] > From: edd payne > To: > Date: 2/25/2006 2:34:28 PM > Subject: [SEL] test Could those whom feel so inclined > respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. > EDD PAYNE From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Feb 24 20:09:27 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:09:27 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine on Ebay Message-ID: <20060224.200927.424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Many parts on this engine are the same as a Stover DV2. Does anyone know if there is a connection between the two? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7592076665&indexURL=0& photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 25 04:01:47 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:01:47 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine on Ebay References: <20060224.200927.424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <003701c63a03$426bc5f0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Engine on Ebay > Many parts on this engine are the same as a Stover DV2. Does anyone know > if there is a connection between the two? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7592076665&indexURL=0& > photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > Ron Haskell Hi Ron, De Laval tended to use engines made by others. usually Lauson but possibly others. See http://www.old-engine.com/delaval.htm also http://www.old-engine.com/alpha-vw.htm About 30 years ago I took a picture of an Alpha Laval engine in Denmark. see http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2744619340028520097rWBrEE This could have been one of the Swedish Engines. Does anyone know if they ever manufactured an engine or did they just "buy in" the power source from other manufacturers? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nick at holden1.net Sat Feb 25 05:49:30 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:49:30 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <410-220062524214640125@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <4400606A.000001.01000@SN049699720452> Ok hear at 13.44 hrs Nick Banbury (UK) -------Original Message------- From: Ken Christison Date: 02/25/06 04:10:01 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] test Edd, Your post came through here just fine. Ken > [Original Message] > From: edd Payne > To: > Date: 2/25/2006 2:34:28 PM > Subject: [SEL] test Could those whom feel so inclined > respond to this so that I can give my server heaps if I get no response. > EDD PAYNE _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Feb 25 09:24:48 2006 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:24:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine on Ebay References: <20060224.200927.424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> <003701c63a03$426bc5f0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <001c01c63a30$62d81f50$082b8347@D6R3D961> I have one of these engine with the correct carb on it, This one has what looks like the carb off a tecumseh lawn mower engine, in any event it looks cheap, but expensive to pick up This is the first one Ive seen with the base and tank. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines, vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine on Ebay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:09 AM > Subject: [SEL] Engine on Ebay > > >> Many parts on this engine are the same as a Stover DV2. Does anyone know >> if there is a connection between the two? >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7592076665&indexURL=0& >> photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting >> Ron Haskell > > Hi Ron, De Laval tended to use engines made by others. > usually Lauson but possibly others. > See http://www.old-engine.com/delaval.htm > also http://www.old-engine.com/alpha-vw.htm About 30 years ago I took a > picture of an Alpha Laval engine in Denmark. > see http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2744619340028520097rWBrEE > This could have been one of the Swedish Engines. > Does anyone know if they ever manufactured an engine or did they just "buy > in" the power source from other manufacturers? > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 25 09:38:36 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:38:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A Lovely Lump of Iron that Needs a Good Home Message-ID: Hiya Folks, Take a long loving look at this sweetie. Be sure to put a bib on first. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/blackstone-oil-engine-type-psi-4-spring-injection_W0QQitemZ6608080156 That sure would look nice in a building at Coolspring. Or maybe on Tommy Turner's estate. 8-)) Enjoy! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Feb 25 11:02:34 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:02:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Lovely Lump of Iron that Needs a Good Home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4400A9CA.7060603@scrtc.com> Arnie, Nice hunk of iron! I'm afraid I don't have enough green in the bank to buy it or haul it home. (Wished I did!) Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hiya Folks, > >Take a long loving look at this sweetie. Be sure to put a bib on first. >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/blackstone-oil-engine-type-psi-4-spring-injection_W0QQitemZ6608080156 > >That sure would look nice in a building at Coolspring. >Or maybe on Tommy Turner's estate. 8-)) > >Enjoy! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 25 11:17:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:17:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] A Lovely Lump of Iron that Needs a Good Home References: Message-ID: <000f01c63a40$165205f0$0b4c1152@no1> Hi Arnie, I don't think even Tommy would be rich enough for the price on that one. It was the stand by generator for the Northern Irish parliament. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [SEL] A Lovely Lump of Iron that Needs a Good Home > Hiya Folks, > > Take a long loving look at this sweetie. Be sure to put a bib on first. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/blackstone-oil-engine-type-psi-4-spring-injection_W0QQitemZ6608080156 > > That sure would look nice in a building at Coolspring. > Or maybe on Tommy Turner's estate. 8-)) > > Enjoy! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 25 11:35:33 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:35:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] A Lovely Lump of Iron that Needs a Good Home In-Reply-To: <000f01c63a40$165205f0$0b4c1152@no1> References: <000f01c63a40$165205f0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Ahhhh, so its a hot air engine then? On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Dave Croft wrote: > Hi Arnie, I don't think even Tommy would be rich enough for the price on that one. > It was the stand by generator for the Northern Irish parliament. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Feb 25 17:28:49 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:28:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 23, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <200602251700.k1PH03Pr013855@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060226032639.00aac248@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 12:00 PM 25/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Message: 16 >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:09:27 -0800 >From: rdhaskell at juno.com >Subject: [SEL] Engine on Ebay >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >Many parts on this engine are the same as a Stover DV2. Does anyone know >if there is a connection between the two? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7592076665&indexURL=0& >photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > >Ron Haskell Hey Ron, The tank is a dead giveaway - it's a twin cylinder Briggs & Stratton!! :-) Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Sat Feb 25 21:52:54 2006 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:52:54 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 1.5hp Z Piston Message-ID: <001601c63a98$e549d920$f05dd6cb@xxxx> I am looking for a piston to suite my engine, the one I have is the wide ring type out an engine dated 1923. Can anyone on the list help? regards Jim Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 27 04:09:04 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:09:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test? Message-ID: <000901c63b96$9e1cd260$160d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Test ? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Feb 27 07:54:25 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:54:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] test? In-Reply-To: <000901c63b96$9e1cd260$160d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060227075248.01b62980@mail.pennswoods.net> OK Peter you passed here in central Pennsylavina USA @08:09 AM R Fink At 08:09 PM 2/27/2006 +0800, you wrote: >Test ? >Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow >Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Feb 27 04:57:23 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:57:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] test? In-Reply-To: <000901c63b96$9e1cd260$160d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c63b96$9e1cd260$160d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1386.165.206.180.6.1141045043.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I'm sorry - say again? I didn't get that....... Bill > Test ? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Mon Feb 27 10:09:41 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:09:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] test? References: <000901c63b96$9e1cd260$160d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <44034065.000001.02436@SN049699720452> Ok in UK Nick -------Original Message------- From: peter ogborne Date: 02/27/06 12:39:54 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test? Test ? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ggabrielg at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 27 14:44:14 2006 From: ggabrielg at bellsouth.net (Gerald Gabriel) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:44:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <000f01c63bef$555f9db0$6001a8c0@YOUR2438974142> Hi gang; I know nothing about this engine, only what I can reason out. Pictures can be seen at this link: http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm Notice!! I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help... Thanks Regards; Gerald From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 27 15:31:41 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:31:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <20060227.153141.1348.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Gerald. Fairbanks Morse are nice engines. The glass thing sticking out of the hopper is a drip oiler, lubricates the piston and wrist pin. Five or six drops a minute. The venturi action of the air flowing through the restriction in the mixer creates a low pressure that draws fuel up from the tank, a check valve at the bottom of the fuel line holds it up ready to be drawn in on each successive stroke. The bell shaped device that I see is the choke lever to create extra suction to get the fuel up to fire the first time, also can regulate the mixture. Next is the speed control part of the governor, the flat lever moves in and out for fast and slow. Yes the brass stud contacts the copper grounding the circuit and initiating the spark. It looks like with a little cleanup and adjustment you should have a runner. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:44:14 -0500 "Gerald Gabriel" writes: > Hi gang; > > I know nothing about this engine, only what I can reason out. > > Pictures can be seen at this link: > http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm > > Notice!! I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help... > Thanks > > Regards; > Gerald From ggabrielg at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 27 15:46:39 2006 From: ggabrielg at bellsouth.net (Gerald Gabriel) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:46:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' References: <20060227.153141.1348.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001401c63bf8$0ddd8f70$6001a8c0@YOUR2438974142> Much Thanks! I sometimes ponder between cluttering one's mail or saying Thanks. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' > Hi Gerald. > Fairbanks Morse are nice engines. The glass thing sticking out of the > hopper is a drip oiler, lubricates the piston and wrist pin. Five or six > drops a minute. > The venturi action of the air flowing through the restriction in the > mixer creates a low pressure that draws fuel up from the tank, a check > valve at the bottom of the fuel line holds it up ready to be drawn in on > each successive stroke. > The bell shaped device that I see is the choke lever to create extra > suction to get the fuel up to fire the first time, also can regulate the > mixture. > Next is the speed control part of the governor, the flat lever moves in > and out for fast and slow. > Yes the brass stud contacts the copper grounding the circuit and > initiating the spark. > It looks like with a little cleanup and adjustment you should have a > runner. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:44:14 -0500 "Gerald Gabriel" > writes: >> Hi gang; >> >> I know nothing about this engine, only what I can reason out. >> >> Pictures can be seen at this link: >> http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm >> >> Notice!! I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help... >> Thanks >> >> Regards; >> Gerald > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 27 15:53:02 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:53:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test? References: <000901c63b96$9e1cd260$160d29cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1386.165.206.180.6.1141045043.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001b01c63bf8$f5d6c8a0$9289a33a@ogborneuah38i3> Mail seemed to be non existent at the time..............back on track now. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test? > I'm sorry - say again? I didn't get that....... > > > Bill > > >> Test ? >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Feb 27 15:59:20 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:59:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <64.664490ca.3134ec58@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2006 5:10:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, ggabrielg at bellsouth.net writes: Hi gang; I know nothing about this engine, only what I can reason out. Pictures can be seen at this link: http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm Notice!! I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help... Thanks Regards; Gerald Hi Gerald, Another thought on your engine. Many were built to start using gasoline and when warmed up a little, switch to kerosene. The little trough around the intake may be your gasoline reservoir, and, if so, there should be a needle valve on the left and another on the right, the right one being to control fuel flow from the tank below. Since show engines are often run with little or no load, most people run on gasoline in the main tank. Even so, priming the cup with a little gasoline and starting from the left needle may be easier. Do this where a flare of fire won't hurt, such as outside your garage. Also, you should find a grease cup on the big end of the connecting rod, much like the ones on your main bearings. I start my Fairbanks dishpan by holding the intake valve open while cranking up to speed, then releasing it and it takes off on its own. Finally, NEVER wear gloves while starting this engine. Should the glove stick to the handle, it could cause serious damage to your hand, wrist and arm. I scared myself in this way one cold day when I foolishly cranked while wearing a leather glove. When I felt the glove tighten on my hand, I hastily started decelerating being careful to NOT let go of the intake valve. Regards, Ron Carroll -------------------------------1141084760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/27/2006 5:10:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 ggabrielg at bellsouth.net writes:

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Notice!!&n= bsp;=20 I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help...=20 Thanks

Regards;
Gerald

Hi Gerald,

Another thought on your engine. Many were built to start using=20 gasoline and when warmed up a little, switch to kerosene. The little=20 trough around the intake may be your gasoline reservoir, and, if so, there=20 should be a needle valve on the left and another on the right, the right one= =20 being to control fuel flow from the tank below. Since show engines are= =20 often run with little or no load, most people run on gasoline in the main=20 tank. Even so, priming the cup with a little gasoline and starting fro= m=20 the left needle may be easier. Do this where a flare of fire won't hur= t,=20 such as outside your garage.

Also, you should find a grease cup on the big end of the connecting rod= ,=20 much like the ones on your main bearings.

I start my Fairbanks dishpan by holding the intake valve open while=20 cranking up to speed, then releasing it and it takes off on its own.

Finally, NEVER wear gloves while starting this engine. Should the= =20 glove stick to the handle, it could cause serious damage to your hand, wrist= and=20 arm. I scared myself in this way one cold day when I foolishly cranked= =20 while wearing a leather glove. When I felt the glove tighten on my han= d, I=20 hastily started decelerating being careful to NOT let go of the intake=20 valve.

Regards,

Ron Carroll

From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 27 16:01:20 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:01:20 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <20e.12df9e94.3134ecd0@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:10:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ggabrielg at bellsouth.net writes: http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm Gerald, The device on top is the piston oiler. It is turn on when running the engine and is adjust for about 4 drops per minute. Flipping the lever to the side allows oil to drip. Twisting the knurl area (below the lever)clockwise decreases the amount of flow. Photo #1 - The fuel is siphoned from the fuel tank. There is a check located at the bottom of the fuel line inside of the tank. This valve usually needs to be cleaned if engine has sat for a long time. Old fuel should be discarded and clean new gas used. Photo #2 - This is a fixed jet mixer. The device located just below the rocker arm is the choke and air control (should rotate). This air cntrol is adjusted to where the engine is running the smoothest. The bolt located on the mixer with a clamp holds the fuel line to the mixer. Removing this bolt and clamp, allows the fuel line to be removed from the tank to clean the check valve. Throttle Control - This lever adjusts the spring tension on the governor. The inwarded position is the slow speed; whereas, the outer position is the faster speed. This device locks out the exhaust valve actuation when the desired rpm is reached. When the engine rpm decreases, the exhaust valve is allowed to operate and engine speed increases. Make sure that all governor parts are free and lubricated. if the governor is not working, the engine can over speed and cause damage. Located below the insulating bar there is rectangular oiling hole. Oil should applied each time the engine is run. This lubes the governor and exhaust latching mechanism. If you need more information, just email Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1141084880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:10:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 ggabrielg at bellsouth.net writes:

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Gerald,

The device on top is the piston oiler. It is turn on when= =20 running the engine and is adjust for about 4 drops per minute. Flippin= g=20 the lever to the side allows oil to drip. Twisting the knurl area (bel= ow=20 the lever)clockwise decreases the amount of flow.

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Photo #2 - This is a fixed jet mixer. The device located=20= just=20 below the rocker arm is the choke and air control (should rotate). Thi= s=20 air cntrol is adjusted to where the engine is running the smoothest. T= he=20 bolt located on the mixer with a clamp holds the fuel line to the mixer.&nbs= p;=20 Removing this bolt and clamp, allows the fuel line to be removed from the ta= nk=20 to clean the check valve.

Throttle Control - This lever adjusts the spring tension on the= =20 governor. The inwarded position is the slow speed; whereas, the outer=20 position is the faster speed. This device locks out the exhaust valve=20 actuation when the desired rpm is reached. When the engine rpm decreas= es,=20 the exhaust valve is allowed to operate and engine speed increases.&nbs= p;=20 Make sure that all governor parts are free and lubricated. if the gove= rnor=20 is not working, the engine can over speed and cause damage.

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If you need more information, just email=20

Francis=20 Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Feb 27 16:17:30 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:17:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' In-Reply-To: <000f01c63bef$555f9db0$6001a8c0@YOUR2438974142> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060227185913.00bd1b60@pop3.accnorwalk.com> > >Pictures can be seen at this link: >http://www.echothetruth.com/echothetruth/fm.htm > >Notice!! I ask some questions on each picture. If you can help... Thanks Gerald, That engine is one of the Fairbanks Morse cheapline hit and miss engine. Yes, the bell shaped thing at the bottom of the head is the carb. That is the dead give away that it was the H-M version of the Z The throttle governed engines had a carb with a bowl for starting on gas and then switching to kerosene. it had 2 needle valves and a throttle. You can take the screw out of the hold down for the gas line that goes into the tank and the whole assy will pull out of the carb and the tank. There will be a check ball at the bottom that will have to work in order to suck up the gas right. What you are referring to as the decompression valve is actually the intake valve. It has a weak spring and works from the vacuum of the engine. That engine also originally used a Model T Ford coil. Where the pushrod goes into the cam bracket is the original timer. The cam should have a cutout and when the ignition occurs the pushrod will go backward to work the timer.If you check, all that add on stuff might not be necessary. The speed lever changes the distance of the governor for the hit and miss governor. These engines were made cheaper to compete with the cheap battery ignition engines on the market. They also used wood skids instead of the steel one like is on it now. That skid was for the more expensive throttle governed Z.. The brass and glass oiler on the top was also all steel on this engine originally and they were painted red istead of the standard green. The serial number should be on the top of the hopper on a cast boss. That will let us find the year. I think this engine started in 23 if I'm remembering right. CRS!! Hope some of tis makes sense. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 27 16:22:13 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:22:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <20060227.192222.804.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Gerald, Nice close pics. Ron has answered your questions pretty good. Good Luck Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 27 16:29:57 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:29:57 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 2HP "Z" 'dishpan f/w' Message-ID: <20060227.162958.1348.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks is always appreciated. Ron On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:46:39 -0500 "Gerald Gabriel" writes: > Much Thanks! I sometimes ponder between cluttering one's mail or > saying > Thanks. > > Gerald From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Feb 27 17:59:20 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:59:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602232338t7720d4aera474544ad350a855@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602220015g374d53dbr6c2806c390f1b5a0@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060223213310.0dd0d2a8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602232338t7720d4aera474544ad350a855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060227205839.0d8b49e8@mail.alltel.net> At 02:38 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >On 2/24/06, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > Please try to contact Greg again. It's time that we had a > > definitive answer on this from someone who is fully knowledgeable on the > > subject! If all this has been simply a false alarm we deserve to know. If > > it is, indeed, something that has "invaded" various Oldengine.org HP's we > > deserve to know that as well. BUT the important thing is that we need THE > > FACTS and not simply conjecture! Thanks for all your time on this matter! > > Dave > > > >I have already sent a second request to Greg with no response so far. > >Peter Hi Peter, Anything from Greg as yet? Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 27 18:22:03 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:22:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator Message-ID: Hi gang..does this look familiar? Ladies lookin' fer information. http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2677495960039077051pOgbhj RickinMt. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Feb 27 20:00:25 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:25 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Question Message-ID: Hi List, I have a manual for the IHC M 3 HP engine. In looking over the manual, there seems to be some information missing. Where is the water stored and how does the water get to the carburetor on a IHC M 3 HP Kerosene ignitor engine? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1141099225 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi List,

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Santa Maria, CA

From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 27 21:20:33 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:20:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Question Message-ID: <20060227.212033.1348.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Francis. The water comes from the hopper, I am not sure of the pasages it takes. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:25 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes: > Hi List, > I have a manual for the IHC M 3 HP engine. In looking over the > manual, > there seems to be some information missing. Where is the water > stored and how > does the water get to the carburetor on a IHC M 3 HP Kerosene > ignitor engine? > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 23:48:11 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:48:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060227205839.0d8b49e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060221224756.0d79a410@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602220015g374d53dbr6c2806c390f1b5a0@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060223213310.0dd0d2a8@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602232338t7720d4aera474544ad350a855@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060227205839.0d8b49e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160602272348l3ff153bbsedf9a6e16acc6985@mail.gmail.com> On 2/28/06, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, Anything from Greg as yet? > Dave Nothing at all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 28 02:04:28 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:04:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator References: Message-ID: <000b01c63c4e$5dcf4c20$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > Hi gang..does this look familiar? Ladies lookin' fer information. > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2677495960039077051pOgbhj > RickinMt. It sure beats Wendle. See http://www.classic-engines.com/discus/messages/3/20.html?1115775647 This says it is a Canadian Engine from Hamilton Ontario. It is a lady asking so perhaps the same one. There is a Petries "Magnet" Cream seperator on EBay at the moment. (no price) http://wantitnow.ebay.ca/Magnet-Cream-separator_W0QQadidZ7210946350 I hope this helps. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 28 02:16:29 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:16:29 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator References: <000b01c63c4e$5dcf4c20$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <003101c63c50$0b61d910$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > > >> Hi gang..does this look familiar? Ladies lookin' fer information. >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2677495960039077051pOgbhj >> RickinMt. > > It sure beats Wendle. > See http://www.classic-engines.com/discus/messages/3/20.html?1115775647 > This says it is a Canadian Engine from Hamilton Ontario. It is a lady asking so perhaps the same one. > There is a Petries "Magnet" Cream seperator on EBay at the moment. (no price) > http://wantitnow.ebay.ca/Magnet-Cream-separator_W0QQadidZ7210946350 > I hope this helps. > Dave Croft Sorry, Guys, the cream seperator is a wanted add. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 28 04:17:31 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:17:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Walk Behind Garden Tractor/Doug Tallman In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20060227185913.00bd1b60@pop3.accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug, I saw your response about the Fairbanks engine and thought I'd drop you a line. I happened to see a walk behind garden tractor at a scrap yard this past Saturday. I forget the name, but I think it was made in Wisconsin. The engine on the front of it had a tag that said 'B'B at the top. Do you (or someone else) know who would have made the engine? It was direct coupled to the transmission. Someone cut off the wheels and welded on rims with rubber tires. The handles were fabricated and didn't look original. Engine wouldn't turn over by hand. Had the cultivators still attached. I would have brought it home but already had the pickup truck full of goodies. I plan on going back to get it in the next couple weeks if time allows. By the way I had 3 rear ends from David Bradley walk behinds, a nice pulley, a complete pump jack with one broken arm, an Eismann mag for parts, a huge single cylinder head for a gas engine, a very nice wood burning stove, and a bunch of wood to cut up on the buzz rig. The truck was squatting pretty good for the ride home. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 28 06:03:42 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:03:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator References: <000b01c63c4e$5dcf4c20$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Thanks Dave..yea believe that's the same lady. Her great grandfather was Petrie. RickinMt. > > > Hi gang..does this look familiar? Ladies lookin' fer information. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2677495960039077051pOgbhj > > RickinMt. > > It sure beats Wendle. > See http://www.classic-engines.com/discus/messages/3/20.html?1115775647 > This says it is a Canadian Engine from Hamilton Ontario. It is a lady > asking so perhaps the same one. > There is a Petries "Magnet" Cream seperator on EBay at the moment. (no > price) > http://wantitnow.ebay.ca/Magnet-Cream-separator_W0QQadidZ7210946350 > I hope this helps. > Dave Croft From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 28 06:14:08 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:14:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, The water comes from the hopper. There should be three needle valves across the mixer, one for gas, one for kero, and one for water. I don't know off hand if the water enters the mixer via a passage from the hopper to the needle valve or via an external line. On my United there is an external water line from the hopper to the water needle valve on the mixer. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > I have a manual for the IHC M 3 HP engine. In looking over the manual, > there seems to be some information missing. Where is the water stored and how > does the water get to the carburetor on a IHC M 3 HP Kerosene ignitor engine? From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Tue Feb 28 09:05:09 2006 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:05:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator In-Reply-To: <000b01c63c4e$5dcf4c20$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <20060228170509.55480.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Magnet engines were made by the Petrie Mfg. Company in Hamilton Ontario. I have attached a picture of a magnet engine. Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. Dave Croft wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > Hi gang..does this look familiar? Ladies lookin' fer information. > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2677495960039077051pOgbhj > RickinMt. It sure beats Wendle. See http://www.classic-engines.com/discus/messages/3/20.html?1115775647 This says it is a Canadian Engine from Hamilton Ontario. It is a lady asking so perhaps the same one. There is a Petries "Magnet" Cream seperator on EBay at the moment. (no price) http://wantitnow.ebay.ca/Magnet-Cream-separator_W0QQadidZ7210946350 I hope this helps. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 28 09:39:01 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:39:01 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator References: <20060228170509.55480.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c63c8d$dda76bf0$0b4c1152@no1> Hi Larry, unfortunately this list doesn,t accept photo,s. If you send me the photo I will put it on my webshots for you. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > Magnet engines were made by the Petrie Mfg. Company in Hamilton Ontario. I have attached a picture of a magnet engine. > > Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. > > Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > > >> Hi gang..does this look familiar? Ladies lookin' fer information. >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/2677495960039077051pOgbhj >> RickinMt. > > It sure beats Wendle. > See http://www.classic-engines.com/discus/messages/3/20.html?1115775647 > This says it is a Canadian Engine from Hamilton Ontario. It is a lady asking so perhaps the same one. > There is a Petries "Magnet" Cream seperator on EBay at the moment. (no price) > http://wantitnow.ebay.ca/Magnet-Cream-separator_W0QQadidZ7210946350 > I hope this helps. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 28 10:23:51 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:23:51 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator References: <20060228170509.55480.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> <002801c63c8d$dda76bf0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <004701c63c94$20fdad00$0b4c1152@no1> > From: "Larry Anger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator >> Magnet engines were made by the Petrie Mfg. Company in Hamilton Ontario. I have attached a picture of a magnet engine. >> Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petrie engine and separator > Hi Larry, unfortunately this list doesn,t accept photo,s. > If you send me the photo I will put it on my webshots for you. > Dave Croft Larry sent me the picture & its at http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/2426004900028520097kLaBdM This is a Horizontal & the origional was a vertical. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Feb 28 15:50:40 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:50:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Fairbanks Z] Message-ID: <4404E1D0.1060404@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, If anyone can help Lindsay please do so directly as he is not on the list. My engine is in winter storage about 40 miles away so if someone else could help him please. Duncan -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Faibanks Z Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:51:21 +1100 From: Lyndsay Frazer To: canuckiron at wightman.ca G'Day Duncan, First of all let me congratulate you on your fine website. My reason for writing to you is that I have in my collection an as yet unrestored 1917 3 HP low tension Z Fairbanks like the one on your site. Unfortunetly I do not have an igniter or trip arm assembly for the old girl and am finding it extremely difficult to find a detail picture of one so I can make one. I was wondering if you would be able to help me out with some pics and perhaps measurments of these items. It would be most appreciated . Kind Regards, Lyndsay in OZ -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 28 15:45:01 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:45:01 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Question Message-ID: <1ab.48a5c4a5.31363a7d@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/2006 7:10:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: The water comes from the hopper. There should be three needle valves across the mixer, one for gas, one for kero, and one for water. I don't know off hand if the water enters the mixer via a passage from the hopper to the needle valve or via an external line. Arnie & Ron, Thanks for the information. I found an external water line connection on the carburetor. The only place that may be the hopper connection is at the bottom and toward the head. I was under the impression that this hopper connection point was the hopper drain. Apparently, I now stand corrected. If the hopper is the water feed for the carburetor, then as the water level decreases, will the engine use less water? >From some of the information that I have read about kerosene fuel engine is that the water prevents knocking due low octane of kersosene. The article that I read stated that water usage was about half of the kerosene usage. How much water will this engine normally use under load? All this time, I thought water injection was a WWII invention. Again thanks for prompt replies. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1141170301 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Feb 28 16:13:04 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:13:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Responce Message-ID: <008801c63cc4$ea09b880$be85dccb@oemcomputer> trying again. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "edd payne" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:28 Subject: Re: Responce > try again > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:47 > Subject: Responce > > > > Thank you to all those that responded to my test message.I got a couple of > > reply's but got the rest only today after my provider finally got there > > server working properly.It was rejecting most of the mail coming to me.And > > everybody else's as well. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > From Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com Tue Feb 28 16:38:46 2006 From: Dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com (Stojanov) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:38:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Novo Mixer? References: <1ab.48a5c4a5.31363a7d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c63cc8$809d8350$546bcc45@stojanov> Hi all, It's been a while since I posted. Right now I'm just getting finished up with this trimester of school (RIT goes by trimesters.) Anyways, a couple years back I managed to buy a 4hp Novo type S. I went to go pick up some apples at a roadside fruit stand, and mentioned to the owner that I was interested in antique engines. That comment resulted in me buying this engine. Unfortunately the engine is missing the mixer. I looked through a couple barns while there and about all I could find was an older tractor carburetor with some bailing wire holding the throttle open. Would anyone happen to have a mixer off a 4hp Novo laying around that they might sell? Not sure what other mixers will work as this one is an overflow type. Also, I am missing one of the lower handhole covers with "Novo" cast into it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Sincerely, Tommy Stojanov From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Feb 28 17:01:26 2006 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:01:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Responce References: <008801c63cc4$ea09b880$be85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <007201c63ccb$aac6a2d0$210110ac@service> Hi Edd, got it here, Chester from WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Fw: Responce > trying again. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "edd payne" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:28 > Subject: Re: Responce > > >> try again >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:47 >> Subject: Responce >> >> >> > Thank you to all those that responded to my test message.I got a couple > of >> > reply's but got the rest only today after my provider finally got there >> > server working properly.It was rejecting most of the mail coming to > me.And >> > everybody else's as well. >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Feb 28 18:09:48 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:09:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Walk Behind Garden Tractor/Doug Tallman In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.1.20060227185913.00bd1b60@pop3.accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060228205341.00bf1d00@pop3.accnorwalk.com> > I happened to see a walk behind garden tractor at a scrap yard this past > Saturday. I forget the name, but I think it was made in Wisconsin. The > engine on the front of it had a tag that said 'B'B at the top. Do you (or > someone else) know who would have made the engine? Luke, it is probably a "Busy Bee" engine made by Gladden Products. They made them in a vertical cyl and horizontal cyl models. They were a short lived engine manufactured shortly after WWII. They do show up on tractors every now and then. Seems llike I've heard of some of the later Red-Es using the B-B engine. Page may have used them as well since they were related. They are located in Wisconsin. Roth industies used them on tractors also and they were made in Alma MI. I have both models of the B-B but I need a gas tank for my horizontal cyl model if anyone has a spare. I know what you mean about the treasure hunts. I've had to resist the urge to go scrap yard shopping. I'm out of room! Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 28 18:25:04 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:25:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Question In-Reply-To: <1ab.48a5c4a5.31363a7d@aol.com> References: <1ab.48a5c4a5.31363a7d@aol.com> Message-ID: <64698ba22eba9d5e1d443f61ff58f0dd@chartertn.net> Francis, the water line does come from a fitting on the hopper drain and goes to the third (or in earlier models, second) needle valve on the mixer. I restored the water line on mine. It only works when the engine is quite hot, and running hard. If it's idling, it's hard to not kill the engine with the water mist. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 28 19:20:27 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:20:27 EST Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Question Message-ID: <268.68d6d40.31366cfb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/28/2006 6:40:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: Francis, the water line does come from a fitting on the hopper drain and goes to the third (or in earlier models, second) needle valve on the mixer. Thanks John, Francis -------------------------------1141183227 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Wed Feb 1 03:35:27 2006 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:35:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 22, Issue 31 References: <200601311700.k0VH04rq016302@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00b601c62723$99482aa0$0300a8c0@userfea17465b0> Message: 4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:45:00 -0500 From: Dave Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] saved from the axe To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060130133840.11270df0 at mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Tommy, And from what I have been told, and have read, you had to be upwards of 200 lbs. in order to depress the pedal even with the jump. I don't know if Craig ever tried to start his MAYTAG MOTOR or not. It would be fun to watch! Dave Dave, I'm sorry that I am the one to ask the HARD question ...... Why are Maytag's regarded so badly? (They made a lot of 'em ...... Musta done something good!) And why do you HATE them with what is a perceived vengeance? BTW - Did you like the Maytag tractor image I sent you?? 8^) Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au Runnin' with the wind ...... 8^) From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 1 04:18:03 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:18:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston core box and pattern update. References: <43DF6D85.5000106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c62729$8d989f90$0b151941@pengy> Curt, If you plan to mount this pattern I can give you dimensions of our new standard flask sizes (now that I have standard flasks!) and you can make up the board to one of the sizes. I'll have to add all that info to the website to help guide our customers in making patterns. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston core box and pattern update. > Worked a few more hours in the shop last night gluing things together. Got > the boss put in the corebox and also the small rib that runs from the top > of the boss up and under the crown of the piston. Here is the link. Last 5 > pictures at the bottom. > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Feb 1 07:29:13 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:29:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <00fe01c62729$8d989f90$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <004001c62744$41c88ec0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Rick Please include me in this also, or post it to the list. With Curt's great help I have started on a piston pattern and core box for my 3hp Falk engine. I'm hoping to have these and two loose rocker arm patterns finished in a few weeks or so. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net > Curt, > > If you plan to mount this pattern I can give you dimensions of our new > standard flask sizes (now that I have standard flasks!) and you can make > up > the board to one of the sizes. > > I'll have to add all that info to the website to help guide our customers > in > making patterns. > From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Feb 1 08:25:59 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:25:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 10 horse FM for sale Message-ID: <002801c6274c$325b9ba0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> hello all,,, just got a call from a neighbor who has a hopper cooled 10 FM,,hes asking a thousand for it,, complete,, has mag, but stuck,,,said he was gonna put it on ebay if i wanst interested,,,,contact me off list if anyone is interested,, bill boyce lost prairie arkansas From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Feb 1 09:11:55 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:11:55 EST Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN Message-ID: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> Frank Dewitt; I am still waiting to hear from you on picking up the air compressor in Memphis, TN. where I live. Do you have a picture of the item? Thanks, Bill Miller. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 1 10:02:38 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston core box and pattern update. In-Reply-To: <00fe01c62729$8d989f90$0b151941@pengy> References: <43DF6D85.5000106@imc-group.com> <00fe01c62729$8d989f90$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <43E0F7BE.9060000@imc-group.com> Rick, Ahh modernizing a little! The dimensions of the pattern and core prints will be 16" long and 6 1/2" wide. Plus there will need to be room for the gate and riser and 4 mold lock buttons in the corners. Yes, please provide board dimensions and mold lock locations soon. I'll start turning on this in a few days and will be ready to mount it on board. Some flasks need a 2" or so hole in each end of the board for flask locks. Will you need these too? Curt Rick Rowlands wrote: > Curt, > > If you plan to mount this pattern I can give you dimensions of our new > standard flask sizes (now that I have standard flasks!) and you can > make up the board to one of the sizes. > > I'll have to add all that info to the website to help guide our > customers in making patterns. > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 1 10:10:16 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:10:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN In-Reply-To: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> Message-ID: <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> Frank, If any help, I can provide Evansville to NC. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC BillMil357 at aol.com wrote: >Frank Dewitt; > >I am still waiting to hear from you on picking up the air compressor in >Memphis, TN. where I live. Do you have a picture of the item? > >Thanks, > >Bill Miller. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Wed Feb 1 10:31:50 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:31:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060201131923.02045598@alltel.net> Mike, I know that you oil barons and construction moguls don't have time for the little people unless the glare of the media spotlight is on you but Steve has ignored my request for information so I'm going to try and appeal to you to persuade your brother to help me out. Could you please ask him to measure the distance from the front of the cooling screen stand to the back of the engine on his (or Bill's, I can't keep up with who currently owns that engine) 4 hp Famous buzz saw rig? I'm going to be mounting my Famous on it's newly rebuilt saw rig soon and I would like for it to look reasonably close to what it would have been like from the factory. Thanks for the help, Mike PS. Bwaahaha.....can you feel the love :-)? _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 1 11:48:07 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:48:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Trip References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060129184900.025d7ba8@mail.alltel.net> <200601312051400703.3DDCA0E1@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <002001c62768$6f32f390$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Spencer and Arnie great pictures and great story, thanks for posting both. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Trip > Here are some pictures from Arnie of the trip: > > http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album23 > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed Feb 1 14:01:02 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:01:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c6277a$ffbce260$77b8123f@oemcomputer> Bill, If you can get the compressor to Evansville, I can take it to Coolspring if that will help. Otherwise it could go with me to Portland in August. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN > Frank Dewitt; > > I am still waiting to hear from you on picking up the air compressor in > Memphis, TN. where I live. Do you have a picture of the item? > > Thanks, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Feb 1 15:07:46 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:07:46 EST Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN Message-ID: <21b.7590282.31129942@aol.com> HI Glen I can get the comp. to Eville. no problem, my problem is I can't get Frank to answer my message on here, so I can start some leg work on this end. Good to hear from you Glen. Bill Miller From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 1 16:30:35 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:30:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN References: <21b.7590282.31129942@aol.com> Message-ID: <007301c6278f$e2921970$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Bill I have seen several of these little dental compressors and they are not very big so I would be surprised if this one was very big. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN > HI Glen > > I can get the comp. to Eville. no problem, my problem is I can't get Frank > to answer my message on here, so I can start some leg work on this end. > Good to > hear from you Glen. > > Bill Miller > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 1 17:44:20 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:44:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gasoline and octane..... In-Reply-To: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060202014540.53867313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> I've just been told gasoline stored over time loses octane rating - is this true? If I get a tank of 91 and it sits for 4 months, what happens to "octane rating"? Bill Runnells From ihcboggs at jayco.net Wed Feb 1 19:03:25 2006 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:03:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 References: <200602011700.k11H04jC020017@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <001001c627a5$3f621f00$cf5428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hi I'm looking for a pully for a 11/2 hp m part # 2146C it is a combination 10 " dia for a V belt and 6" dia 2.5" for a flat belt it was used with the IH vacuum pump and also a part#12221CA vacuum tank or some good pictures so I can make a tank . thanks DeWayne From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Feb 1 20:04:53 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:04:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help Message-ID: <43E184E5.7060801@wightman.ca> If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. Duncan Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has a E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to run on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably kerosene--also need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks SOOO much! gastzt at aol.com -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Feb 1 19:09:49 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:09:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN, Thanks Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060201220547.03927828@web1.nlenet.net> I was going to bid on a compressor on Ebay but it went to high. I have just started looking so I will keep watching and learn some more. Thanks very much to all the kind folks who offered to pick it up and move it around. Looking is free. ;-) Here is the ebay link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6600297818 Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi I am looking at a old air compressor in Memphis TN It is a old dental type, weighs about 100 lb. Is there any one who lives near there and could pick it up for me. Once picked up I would like to see if it could work it's way north and we could meat at a show. Perhaps Coolsprings, or Rough and tumble, I am near Rochester NY Thanks Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 21:44:48 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:44:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gasoline and octane..... In-Reply-To: <20060202014540.53867313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> <20060202014540.53867313C1C@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6f6025160602012144o3773292buabacfffc099fff5c@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Bill Dickerson wrote: > > I've just been told gasoline stored over time loses octane rating - is this > true? > If I get a tank of 91 and it sits for 4 months, what happens to "octane > rating"? > > > Bill > Runnells What happens is that the higher fractions of the fuel evaporate, and thus the fuel loses some of its 'rating' but not in the strict sense of octane rating loss. There are reports of hermetically sealed petrol cans being affected, but I have no real hard evidence that this is the case. Best not to store any fuel for longer than a month or so, although you can mix it with fresh fuel to use it up rather than chuck it away. Happens with diesel fuel as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 2 03:19:38 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:19:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help Message-ID: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. Duncan Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has a E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to run on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably kerosene--also need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks SOOO much! gastzt at aol.com -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 2 02:54:15 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:54:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Bromps Message-ID: <008501c627e7$04fa77d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi all. The last couple of days have seen Bromps resort to lying more and more. he does not know which lies he has told to who, and is getting himself in deeper by the hour. His tales get wilder by the hour. I am so glad that the law is on his tail. It wont be long before he gets his uppance. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 2 04:18:56 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:18:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Bromps References: <008501c627e7$04fa77d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <004501c627f2$da2933a0$40108795@ogborneuah38i3> Please Reg ...keep us informed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "List SEL" ; "oldengine list" Cc: "Bob Bromps" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Bromps > Hi all. The last couple of days have seen Bromps resort to lying more and > more. he does not know which lies he has told to who, and is getting > himself in deeper by the hour. His tales get wilder by the hour. > I am so glad that the law is on his tail. > It wont be long before he gets his uppance. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 2 11:12:42 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:12:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help In-Reply-To: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> References: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> At 06:19 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. > >Duncan > >Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has a >E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to run >on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably kerosene--also >need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks SOOO much! >gastzt at aol.com Boy Duncan, I'm not sure anyone could help much on an engine with "a 6 3/4 bore" and "81/4" rings!" Dave From curt at imc-group.com Thu Feb 2 11:16:36 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. Message-ID: <43E25A94.2000503@imc-group.com> Hey guys, here is an update on the core box for the Alamo. It is done and on the link the last 5 pictures show the leather fillets being installed. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html So far there are 13 hours in the project. Pretty small outlay of time to get a fairly significant engine part like a piston. Lathe work for the pattern is next. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 2 11:35:07 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:35:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help References: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000601c6282f$c8cfe6c0$111f7546@mycomputer> I have a ring compressor that might squash those rings right down to size!! Its just the compression isnt very good afterwards... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Help > At 06:19 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >>If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. >> >>Duncan >> >>Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has a >>E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to run >>on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably kerosene--also >>need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks SOOO much! >>gastzt at aol.com > > Boy Duncan, I'm not sure anyone could help much on an engine with "a 6 3/4 > bore" and "81/4" rings!" > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at verizon.net Thu Feb 2 13:26:06 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:26:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] help picking up old iron near Memphis TN, Thanks In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060201220547.03927828@web1.nlenet.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060201220547.03927828@web1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <43E278EE.3060601@verizon.net> Frank DeWitt wrote: > I was going to bid on a compressor on Ebay but it went to high. I > have just started looking so I will keep watching and learn some more. > > Thanks very much to all the kind folks who offered to pick it up and > move it around. > > Looking is free. ;-) Here is the ebay link > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6600297818 > > Frank Frank, I have one close to that which is now an engin! -- C-ya Leroy Clark From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 2 03:49:32 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:49:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060201131923.02045598@alltel.net> Message-ID: <003501c627ee$bbb09750$796e8645@mikecomp> The problem is that Steve is "in love" again!!! I haven't seen him in months. As we speak he is in Mexico with his "sweet thang" and due back this weekend. I will call him on your behalf and hopefully snap him back to reality. As for the engine, Stve owns it but it may be at Bill's. I, the "good Royster" will be only to happy to assist you! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster > Mike, > > I know that you oil barons and construction moguls don't have time for the > little people unless the glare of the media spotlight is on you but Steve > has ignored my request for information so I'm going to try and appeal to > you to persuade your brother to help me out. Could you please ask him to > measure the distance from the front of the cooling screen stand to the > back of the engine on his (or Bill's, I can't keep up with who currently > owns that engine) 4 hp Famous buzz saw rig? I'm going to be mounting my > Famous on it's newly rebuilt saw rig soon and I would like for it to look > reasonably close to what it would have been like from the factory. > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > > PS. Bwaahaha.....can you feel the love :-)? > > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 2 15:37:44 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:37:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <43E297C8.9070904@wightman.ca> Hmmm. You got it as I did. lol Duncan Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 06:19 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: > >> If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. >> >> Duncan >> >> Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has >> a E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to >> run on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably >> kerosene--also need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks >> SOOO much! >> gastzt at aol.com > > > Boy Duncan, I'm not sure anyone could help much on an engine with "a 6 > 3/4 bore" and "81/4" rings!" > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 2 15:15:35 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:15:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help References: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca><6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> <000601c6282f$c8cfe6c0$111f7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <006401c6284e$a328d480$2b138795@ogborneuah38i3> Dare I suggest that it might take a bit of cranking..........I don't want to start the thread re cranking and how to hold your hand! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Help >I have a ring compressor that might squash those rings right down to size!! >Its just the compression isnt very good afterwards... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover Help > > >> At 06:19 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >>>If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. >>> >>>Duncan >>> >>>Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has a >>>E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to run >>>on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably kerosene--also >>>need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks SOOO much! >>>gastzt at aol.com >> >> Boy Duncan, I'm not sure anyone could help much on an engine with "a 6 >> 3/4 bore" and "81/4" rings!" >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 2 15:59:49 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:59:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help In-Reply-To: <43E297C8.9070904@wightman.ca> References: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> <43E297C8.9070904@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060202185826.02639348@mail.alltel.net> Yes, This is the sort of fellow that will attempt to use a crank to start his Stover after he finishes the restoration! Dave At 06:37 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Hmmm. >You got it as I did. lol > >Duncan > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>At 06:19 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >> >>>If anyone can help Stan. Please do so directly. >>> >>>Duncan >>> >>>Anybody out there that may know something about a Stover K 8hp--- has a >>>E331 mixer (carb?) just wonderring what kind of fuel it supposed to run >>>on? Has a 6 3/4 bore piston has 8 1/4 " rings!! probably kerosene--also >>>need info on that engine type how to start it--thanks SOOO much! >>>gastzt at aol.com >> >> >>Boy Duncan, I'm not sure anyone could help much on an engine with "a 6 >>3/4 bore" and "81/4" rings!" >> Dave >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >-- >Duncan Denman >Ayton, Ontario >Canada >Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >Home Page >http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 2 16:57:25 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:57:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. In-Reply-To: <43E25A94.2000503@imc-group.com> References: <43E25A94.2000503@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060202195659.0264b588@mail.alltel.net> VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave At 02:16 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Hey guys, here is an update on the core box for the Alamo. It is done and >on the link the last 5 pictures show the leather fillets being installed. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html > >So far there are 13 hours in the project. Pretty small outlay of time to >get a fairly significant engine part like a piston. Lathe work for the >pattern is next. > >Hope you enjoy. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Feb 2 16:35:12 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:35:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Message-ID: <410-2200625303512890@coastalnet.com> Can anybody provide information on the engine/compressor seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/mb/ The owner doesn't know what it came from, or anything about it. Looks like something related to refrigeration to me, but I have no idea of it's application. Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC christison at coastalnet.com From dotto at velocitus.net Thu Feb 2 17:54:24 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:54:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. In-Reply-To: <43E25A94.2000503@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c62864$c25d4190$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Looking good Curt! The lather fillets look nice; I may have to use them on my core box also. What type of glue do you use to attach them? Have you heard any thing from Rick one the board size? Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:17 PM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. > > Hey guys, here is an update on the core box for the Alamo. It is done > and on the link the last 5 pictures show the leather fillets being > installed. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbna > ils.html > > So far there are 13 hours in the project. Pretty small outlay of time to > get a fairly significant engine part like a piston. Lathe work for the > pattern is next. > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 2 19:41:17 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:41:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stover Help In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060202185826.02639348@mail.alltel.net> References: <43E1EACA.1000007@wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.0.20060202140957.026091f0@mail.alltel.net> <43E297C8.9070904@wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.0.20060202185826.02639348@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <43E2D0DD.2070608@wightman.ca> That's right. Lets stomp all over him and his enthusiasm. Duncan Dave Rotigel wrote: > Yes, This is the sort of fellow that will attempt to use a crank to > start his Stover after he finishes the restoration! > Dave > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dotto at velocitus.net Thu Feb 2 19:00:32 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:00:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Work In-Reply-To: <43E25A94.2000503@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001301c6286d$ff564cf0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi all I had a little spare time yesterday so I spent it working on a muffler part for my Falk engine. I am using a picture in a parts book for a pattern as I have never seen a 3hp Falk with an original muffler. This fitting connects the exhaust pipe to the top of the muffler, the rest of the muffler will be scratch built as well. http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2077960980053545466SpbPXm http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2850718260053545466IgYBZr http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2146471530053545466VzqrIi http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2068751870053545466HWifip Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.ney http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Feb 2 19:09:04 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:09:04 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <410-2200625303512890@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <01b701c6286f$310d8b90$1e4b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> I would guess that it is an engine, possibly with a swash plate instead of a crank. If it was not an engine the buzz coils, spark plugs and the plug leads would not be there. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine Can anybody provide information on the engine/compressor seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/mb/ The owner doesn't know what it came from, or anything about it. Looks like something related to refrigeration to me, but I have no idea of it's application. Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC christison at coastalnet.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Feb 2 19:30:58 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:30:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Work In-Reply-To: <001301c6286d$ff564cf0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <43E25A94.2000503@imc-group.com> <001301c6286d$ff564cf0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060202222558.024ddac0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Dave, Although I have no talent to do such a procedure I always enjoy seeing what others can accomplish! Keep us up to date as the fabrication of the muffler proceeds. Dave At 10:00 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Hi all > >I had a little spare time yesterday so I spent it working on a muffler part >for my Falk engine. I am using a picture in a parts book for a pattern as I >have never seen a 3hp Falk with an original muffler. > >This fitting connects the exhaust pipe to the top of the muffler, the rest >of the muffler will be scratch built as well. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2077960980053545466SpbPXm > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2850718260053545466IgYBZr > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2146471530053545466VzqrIi > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2068751870053545466HWifip From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Feb 2 21:22:31 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:22:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Work In-Reply-To: <001301c6286d$ff564cf0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <200602030522.k135Mg1M035866@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Otto Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:01 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Engine Work Hi all I had a little spare time yesterday so I spent it working on a muffler part for my Falk engine. Snip Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.ney http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 ~~~~~~~~~~ It's looking good, Dave; but, I'm even more impressed with your "Machine Shop Work" pages. Wow! http://community.webshots.com/album/546502640ijKCJm It makes me feel mighty humble to see work that's orders of magnitude better and more complex than my own. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sel at antique-engine.com Fri Feb 3 02:25:30 2006 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:25:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Engine Work In-Reply-To: <200602030522.k135Mg1M035866@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <200602030522.k135Mg1M035866@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20060203022530.xoi7pl4g2n74sco8@www.antique-engine.com> Hi Dave, Like Orrin, I too wondered over to your "Machine Shop Work" photo pages. Awesome work! Enjoyed seeing all the different setups for the work you accomplished. It's great to see photos like yours and the quality of the work. Thanks for sharing. Take care... Craig Quoting Orrin Iseminger : > -----Original Message----- > > It's looking good, Dave; but, I'm even more impressed with your "Machine > Shop Work" pages. Wow! > > http://community.webshots.com/album/546502640ijKCJm > > It makes me feel mighty humble to see work that's orders of magnitude better > and more complex than my own. > > Best regards, > > Orrin > > Orrin Iseminger > Colton, Washington, USA > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > So many projects. So little time. > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Feb 3 05:09:06 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:09:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine In-Reply-To: <410-2200625303512890@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200625303512890@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <43E355F2.3040709@scrtc.com> Ken, Thats an unusual babe. I haven't seen one like it in the past. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Can anybody provide information on the engine/compressor seen here: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/mb/ > >The owner doesn't know what it came from, or anything about it. >Looks like something related to refrigeration to me, but I have no >idea of it's application. > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >christison at coastalnet.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 3 06:08:17 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:08:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. In-Reply-To: <000f01c62864$c25d4190$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000f01c62864$c25d4190$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <43E363D1.7050604@imc-group.com> Dave, I use the same wood glue as used on the wooden parts. Whatever wood glue they have at Lowes. I cut the fillet about a 1/2" too long, and then put a thin line of glue along the back of the fillet, except for the extra 1/2" I hold it with. Start the opposite end and use the fillet tool to push into place. Then wipe the excess glue off with a damp paper towel. Have heard nada from Rick on the board size :-( Rick? Curt Dave Otto wrote: >Looking good Curt! > >The lather fillets look nice; I may have to use them on my core box also. >What type of glue do you use to attach them? > >Have you heard any thing from Rick one the board size? > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 3 06:31:13 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:31:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Work References: <001301c6286d$ff564cf0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: Nice work for these un-educated eyes, Dave. Enjoyed your other pictures also. Regards, RickinMt. > Hi all > > I had a little spare time yesterday so I spent it working on a muffler > part > for my Falk engine. I am using a picture in a parts book for a pattern as > I > have never seen a 3hp Falk with an original muffler. > > This fitting connects the exhaust pipe to the top of the muffler, the rest > of the muffler will be scratch built as well. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2077960980053545466SpbPXm > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2850718260053545466IgYBZr > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2146471530053545466VzqrIi > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/547043212/2068751870053545466HWifip From falcon at telenet.net Fri Feb 3 08:08:10 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:08:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice tech learning site. Message-ID: <002401c628dc$07dd5620$971117d1@net.telenet.net> Really interesting site for learning about a LOT of different things. Happy exploring. http://www.technologystudent.com/index.htm Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Feb 3 08:19:17 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:19:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: <003501c627ee$bbb09750$796e8645@mikecomp> References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060201131923.02045598@alltel.net> <003501c627ee$bbb09750$796e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203111036.0205ad00@alltel.net> >The problem is that Steve is "in love" again!!! I haven't seen him in months. OH NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!! Didn't he learn about that the LAST time? >I will call him on your behalf and hopefully snap him back to >reality. I, the "good Royster" will be only to happy to assist you! Thanks, y'alls mom probably likes Steve the best but she's misguided :-)! >As for the engine, Stve owns it but it may be at Bill's. Given how the last "sweet thang" worked out he should probably just leave it at Bill's! See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Feb 3 08:57:11 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:57:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203111036.0205ad00@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike, The iron is safe in a "Trust Account" ( I trust no one but me knows where it is or who owns it) . The dimension you need is this: from the back of the base of the engine to the tank on the screen cooler is 10-3/4 inches. You're right , Mom does think I'm the best, but I'm the one who is misguided! I hope the dimension I gave is correct, my eyesight isn't too good after that trip to Mexico with my personal tourguide. I'll measure it again after the Tequila wears off! Bwaaaaa Haaaa, Can't you feel the love!!!!! Estaben Roystero , the uncloistered roystero >From: Michael Tucker >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] For Mike Royster >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:19:17 -0500 > > >>The problem is that Steve is "in love" again!!! I haven't seen him in >>months. > >OH NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!! Didn't he learn about that the LAST time? > >>I will call him on your behalf and hopefully snap him back to reality. I, >>the "good Royster" will be only to happy to assist you! > >Thanks, y'alls mom probably likes Steve the best but she's misguided :-)! > >>As for the engine, Stve owns it but it may be at Bill's. > >Given how the last "sweet thang" worked out he should probably just leave >it at Bill's! > >See ya', >Mike > >_____________________ >Mike Tucker >Midway, Kentucky USA >_____________________ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Feb 3 10:23:42 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203111036.0205ad00@alltel.net> References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060201131923.02045598@alltel.net> <003501c627ee$bbb09750$796e8645@mikecomp> <7.0.1.0.2.20060203111036.0205ad00@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43E39FAE.4080008@imc-group.com> the "good Royster"..... Gawd isn't _that_ the very definition of oxymoron!!! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Fri Feb 3 03:34:26 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:34:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. References: <000f01c62864$c25d4190$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <01de01c628b5$c9d57900$0b151941@pengy> Rick is currently pulling his hair out trying to get the induction furnace power supply to run and forgot to measure the boards. :-( Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Alamo core box done. > Looking good Curt! > > The lather fillets look nice; I may have to use them on my core box also. > What type of glue do you use to attach them? > > Have you heard any thing from Rick one the board size? > > Dave > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > USA > dotto at velocitus.net > http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >> bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:17 PM >> To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) >> Subject: [SEL] Alamo core box done. >> >> Hey guys, here is an update on the core box for the Alamo. It is done >> and on the link the last 5 pictures show the leather fillets being >> installed. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbna >> ils.html >> >> So far there are 13 hours in the project. Pretty small outlay of time to >> get a fairly significant engine part like a piston. Lathe work for the >> pattern is next. >> >> Hope you enjoy. >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Feb 3 12:15:44 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:15:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: <43E39FAE.4080008@imc-group.com> References: <29f.4a52cf1.311245db@aol.com> <43E0F988.1030509@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060201131923.02045598@alltel.net> <003501c627ee$bbb09750$796e8645@mikecomp> <7.0.1.0.2.20060203111036.0205ad00@alltel.net> <43E39FAE.4080008@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060203151512.022cb658@mail.alltel.net> At 01:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >the "good Royster"..... > >Gawd isn't _that_ the very definition of oxymoron!!! :-) >Curt Holland Hey Curt, Remember--everything is relative! Dave From oldironnut at alltel.net Fri Feb 3 13:22:46 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:22:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203111036.0205ad00@alltel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203161705.0205ad00@alltel.net> >The dimension you need is this: from the back of the base of the >engine to the tank on the screen cooler is 10-3/4 inches. Steve, Thanks for the info and I'm glad to hear that your iron is safe in the event of needing a new, new sweet thang. 10-3/4" put's the cooling screen very close to the flywheels doesn't it? I hope your tequila haze wears off soon! Where 'bouts in Mexico did you go? See ya', Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Feb 3 18:58:35 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:58:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT, but have engines Message-ID: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> Hi all, If any of you have photos of Sherman tanks you could share they would be appreciated. Short ones in a tank phase. If I had the room and budget, I'd own one, but I'm not completely sane. Hell, I'm not even close to sane. :-) Tanks, oops, I meant thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 3 21:00:32 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:30:32 +1030 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <410-2200625303512890@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <000801c62947$edb421e0$bccb8890@chaos> early torpedo motor possibly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > Can anybody provide information on the engine/compressor seen here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/mb/ > > The owner doesn't know what it came from, or anything about it. > Looks like something related to refrigeration to me, but I have no > idea of it's application. > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > christison at coastalnet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Feb 3 21:33:49 2006 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:33:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine References: <410-2200625303512890@coastalnet.com> <000801c62947$edb421e0$bccb8890@chaos> Message-ID: <002f01c6294c$95a35340$0c0a8347@D6R3D961> This is one of the most interesting engines I have seen in a long time. Is it a wobble plate motor?? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines, vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery engine > early torpedo motor possibly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Christison" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:05 AM > Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine > > >> Can anybody provide information on the engine/compressor seen here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/mb/ >> >> The owner doesn't know what it came from, or anything about it. >> Looks like something related to refrigeration to me, but I have no >> idea of it's application. >> >> Take care. >> >> Ken Christison >> Conway, NC >> christison at coastalnet.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 4 06:21:23 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:21:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] KINDLING STICK CHOPPER (#7586029951) Message-ID: <1139062883.43e4b8631cdde@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Having something belted up to an engine always makes for a more interesting display at an engine show. If the display item also shows the potential for removing or damaging limbs and other body parts so much the better. This is why drag saws and buzz saws are so popular with the tourists. There's another gadget that has that same quality; the kindling splitter. These were used to produce kindling wood which could be sold by the bundle. I first saw one of these wonderful gadgets at the 1000 Engine Rally in England. I think I watched "Stubby" here making toothpicks for over an hour. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle32.jpg The whump-whump-whump of that splitting wedge driving up and down conjures up vivid images of smashed, split and bloody body parts. BTW for the namby-pamby engine folks, please notice that there's no ropes or fences. 8-)) Now to the point of this story. YOU can own one of these WONDERFUL gadgets!! Check it out!! View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7586029951 ----------------------------------------------------------------- KINDLING STICK CHOPPER /FIREWOOD / LOGS /WOOD BURNER Easy way to make money at winter...? Item number: 7586029951 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting bid: GBP?1,100.00 (Approximately?US $1,958.77) It's a tad out of my price range, but SOMEONE needs to have it!! Good luck! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 4 06:26:34 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:26:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nice LISTER CS 3/1 DIESEL (#6602052169) Message-ID: <1139063194.43e4b99a3dcfb@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Why buy a Caste Iron Curry Lister when you can have the real deal? See ya, Arnie View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6602052169 ----------------------------------------------------------------- LISTER CS 3/1 DIESEL STATIONARY ENGINE EARLY ONE Item number: 6602052169 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Current bid: GBP?180.00 (Approximately?US $320.53) Ends Feb-07-0614:24:56 PST Up for auction is my Lister cs diesel 3/1 (3 horsepower,- 1 cylinder) stationary engine. This is quite an early one being built in 1937, comes complete with decent trolly on nice period cast iron wheels and a; hand made 80 litre water tank which looks really nice. The engine is a superb runner and starter, the only time you need to use the compression release is when there is snow on the ground, otherwise it starts just by giving an almighty swing on the handle (which is still present and complete with original wood!). The inside of the engine is spotlessley clean, no sludge or muck, the oil is changed twice a year regardless of work done. Condition wise this engine would look great at any rally, it is not a minter or a fresh restoration but a very nice clean usuable enjoyable piece of BRITISH history. The three H/P CS's are the rarest of the lot and the hardest to restore due to many internal parts being different from the higher h/p models. I am only trying to sell this one because i may be getting another one which needs restoring and having another two around the garden , things are getting a bit tight!! I have put a reserve on for what i think this engine is worth, it is not 'phone numbers' but you will not get it for 50 quid either! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 4 06:30:59 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:30:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT, but have engines In-Reply-To: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jeff, Check out the Bovington Tank Museum in England. http://www.tankmuseum.org/ It also works as a great honeymoon destination. (Just ask Jim & Dolly) See ya, Arnie Quoting Jeff Allen : > If any of you have photos of Sherman tanks you could share they would be > appreciated. Short ones in a tank phase. If I had the room and budget, > I'd own one, but I'm not completely sane. Hell, I'm not even close to > sane. :-) > > Tanks, oops, I meant thanks, From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Feb 4 07:32:35 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:32:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mysterious 1,000 HP Galloway Engine Found! References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> This picture is concrete evidence that Galloway built 1,000 HP hit and miss engines. This shot is of the timing gear on its way to the customer's shop. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phil.procter/044.jpg Rick From dotto at velocitus.net Sat Feb 4 08:11:11 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:11:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine Work In-Reply-To: <20060203022530.xoi7pl4g2n74sco8@www.antique-engine.com> Message-ID: <003201c629a5$9dac1140$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Thank for the kind words guys; I will try to keep you updated on the engine projects. Namely the Falk as I really would like to finish it this spring/early summer. It has been sitting idle way to long. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Craig Prucha > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:26 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: RE: [SEL] Engine Work > > Hi Dave, > > Like Orrin, I too wondered over to your "Machine Shop Work" photo > pages. Awesome > work! Enjoyed seeing all the different setups for the work you > accomplished. > It's great to see photos like yours and the quality of the work. Thanks > for > sharing. Take care... > > Craig > > > Quoting Orrin Iseminger : > > -----Original Message----- > > > > It's looking good, Dave; but, I'm even more impressed with your "Machine > > Shop Work" pages. Wow! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/546502640ijKCJm > > > > It makes me feel mighty humble to see work that's orders of magnitude > better > > and more complex than my own. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Orrin > > > > Orrin Iseminger > > Colton, Washington, USA > > http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm > > So many projects. So little time. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 08:13:35 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:13:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Mysterious 1,000 HP Galloway Engine Found! In-Reply-To: <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.com> On 2/4/06, Rick Rowlands wrote: > This picture is concrete evidence that Galloway built 1,000 HP hit and miss > engines. This shot is of the timing gear on its way to the customer's shop. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phil.procter/044.jpg > > Rick Yeah, right on Rick! :-)) The UK background and the traction engine are a bit of a give-away ! Looks like a bit of a rolling mill. You may well find that the traction engine is still extant and in preservation, I wonder where the gearing finished up? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Feb 4 08:44:30 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:44:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mysterious 1,000 HP Galloway Engine Found! In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060204114251.026c0dc8@mail.alltel.net> At 11:13 AM 2/4/2006, you wrote: >On 2/4/06, Rick Rowlands wrote: > > This picture is concrete evidence that Galloway built 1,000 HP hit and miss > > engines. This shot is of the timing gear on its way to the customer's > shop. > > > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phil.procter/044.jpg > > > > Rick >Yeah, right on Rick! :-)) >The UK background and the traction engine are a bit of a give-away ! >Peter What I found the real give-away to be was the incorrect number of teeth in the gear itself! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 10:39:45 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:39:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. Message-ID: <6f6025160602041039h29a72d54of6c1044734401e22@mail.gmail.com> Anyone close to these people? I may want to find out about getting a Gorton milling machine quill reground, and they apparently can do it. I have sent an email already, just wondering if any machinery-orientated guys know about them or have had dealings with them. Well Index 701 West Clay Ave. Muskegon, MI 49440-1064 TEL: (231) 759-0950 FAX: (231) 728-7456 E-MAIL: wellsindex at aol.com Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Feb 4 12:42:23 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:42:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbit Message-ID: <43E511AF.2050403@earthlink.net> Hi all, Babbit, pot, and ladle: http://cgi.ebay.com/15lbs-of-Babbit-and-Melt-Pot-for-Hit-Miss-Gas-Engines_W0QQitemZ7585851233QQcategoryZ11757QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ From oiseming at moscow.com Sat Feb 4 19:19:51 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:19:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602041039h29a72d54of6c1044734401e22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602050321.k153KFSY073534@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:40 AM To: Stationary-Engine Cc: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. Anyone close to these people? I may want to find out about getting a Gorton milling machine quill reground, and they apparently can do it. I have sent an email already, just wondering if any machinery-orientated guys know about them or have had dealings with them. Well Index 701 West Clay Ave. Muskegon, MI 49440-1064 TEL: (231) 759-0950 FAX: (231) 728-7456 E-MAIL: wellsindex at aol.com Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've never dealt with them, but have gotten feedback from people who have. They've been pleased with the service. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Feb 4 20:12:06 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:12:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Converting Film to Digital References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060204114251.026c0dc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> I recently came into posession of over a dozen reels of either 8 mm or 16 mm films of machining and assembly of large multi cylinder diesel engines. I would like to convert them to digital before the films disintegrate. Does anyone have the ability to do this in a professional manner? Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Feb 4 23:35:40 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:35:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Converting Film to Digital In-Reply-To: <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060204114251.026c0dc8@mail.alltel.net> <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <43E5AACC.8000200@insulate.co.uk> Hi Rick There are several who sell this service on eBay - I'm going to give one of them a try. Most of them seem very reasonable, and the feedback comments are good. Dolly Rick Rowlands wrote: > I recently came into posession of over a dozen reels of either 8 mm or > 16 mm films of machining and assembly of large multi cylinder diesel > engines. I would like to convert them to digital before the films > disintegrate. Does anyone have the ability to do this in a > professional manner? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 5 03:28:43 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:28:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: villiers engine Message-ID: <20060205112831.FLWV15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> If anyone can help Dale please contact him direct at the address below. Thanks Patrick M Livingstone -----Original Message----- From: John Eather. [mailto:johneath at bigpond.net.au] hi Patrick my name is dale eather and I live in a small town called gunning about 40 km from Goulburn and about 70 km from Canberra. I have a problem at the moment I have just restored a atco cylinder lawn mower built in the 1930s and the frame is made by ATCO but the engine is a villiers four stroke C12 from England I have hit a brick wall as I cannot find a owners manual for one with a recoil starter because there is a part missing inside of the recoil starter it is ready to go but all because of the missing part it can be only a static display your help would be very much appreciated dale From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 5 13:55:35 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:55:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's Message-ID: <001d01c62a9e$e88864d0$b8cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Why is it that some people think they are doing you a bloody favour by sending FW's . No message with them ,just the mindless shit !. I did solve it once by hitting reply ....that stopped that particular person but still it comes from others! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 5 14:28:33 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:28:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's In-Reply-To: <001d01c62a9e$e88864d0$b8cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001d01c62a9e$e88864d0$b8cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060205172252.0e2845c0@mail.alltel.net> At 04:55 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote: >Why is it that some people think they are doing you a bloody favour by >sending FW's . No message with them ,just the mindless shit !. I did solve >it once by hitting reply ....that stopped that particular person but still >it comes from others! >Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Exactly what is it to which you are objecting? An example would help. I've not received FW's with "No message with them" from the SEL. I get an occasional reply with no message contained in it--but I chalk that up to someone hitting the wrong key, or being too pissed to know what it is that they are doing. I'm at a loss to know exactly what the problem is. Any help will sure be appreciated! Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Feb 5 16:57:45 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:57:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's Message-ID: <20060205.195937.1184.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Peter, I have sent many "forwards" to my joke list. None to the SEL. If you get any from me - Let me know and I will correct. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 5 07:36:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:36:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Converting Film to Digital In-Reply-To: <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060204114251.026c0dc8@mail.alltel.net> <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <1139153775.43e61b6f2e65f@webmail.city-net.com> Come on Rick, who are you kidding? You found some vintage porn and you want to sell it on DVD. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Send Dave and I list of titles once you get it converted. PPS - "Professional manner" - that means they keep quiet, right? 8-)) Quoting Rick Rowlands : > I recently came into posession of over a dozen reels of either 8 mm or 16 mm > films of machining and assembly of large multi cylinder diesel engines. I > would like to convert them to digital before the films disintegrate. Does > anyone have the ability to do this in a professional manner? From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 5 23:41:56 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:41:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's References: <001d01c62a9e$e88864d0$b8cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060205172252.0e2845c0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001201c62af0$d2207d20$21128795@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry Dave and Joe.....I should have elaborated ,these FW's are not from SEL. They are from people who know me and delight in sending me this mindless bullshit . Some of these people I really don't want to offend but it looks as if I might have to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's > At 04:55 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote: >>Why is it that some people think they are doing you a bloody favour by >>sending FW's . No message with them ,just the mindless shit !. I did solve >>it once by hitting reply ....that stopped that particular person but still >>it comes from others! >>Peter Ogborne > > Hi Peter, > Exactly what is it to which you are objecting? An example would > help. I've not received FW's with "No message with them" from the SEL. I > get an occasional reply with no message contained in it--but I chalk that > up to someone hitting the wrong key, or being too pissed to know what it > is that they are doing. I'm at a loss to know exactly what the problem is. > Any help will sure be appreciated! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Feb 6 04:56:12 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:56:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602041039h29a72d54of6c1044734401e22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I have not dealt with them or heard of them, but I live about an hour away. If I can help let me know. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary-Engine >CC: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:39:45 +0000 > >Anyone close to these people? > >I may want to find out about getting a Gorton milling machine quill >reground, and they apparently can do it. > >I have sent an email already, just wondering if any >machinery-orientated guys know about them or have had dealings with >them. > >Well Index >701 West Clay Ave. >Muskegon, MI 49440-1064 >TEL: (231) 759-0950 >FAX: (231) 728-7456 >E-MAIL: wellsindex at aol.com > >Thanks, > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 06:00:35 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:00:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160602041039h29a72d54of6c1044734401e22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160602060600q687f3e6dp2b14b84005aacc43@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Peter, > > I have not dealt with them or heard of them, but I live about an hour away. > If I can help let me know. > > Luke Tonneberger Thanks, Luke and Orrin. I picked up a nice little Gorton milling machine for beer money last week, but it has a non-standard quill taper, and apparently the best course of action is to get it converted to Bridgeport R8 standard, which makes lots of tooling available. Our bigger mill has Int40 tooling and the Gorton quill won't allow that size of taper (or a 30Int) but R8 is pretty small and Wells Index have done similar jobs before. I'm awaiting a response from them, when I have that I'll update you further. Mill is on ebay: #7585144623 Have a look at the Gorton website while you are there: http://gorton-machine.org:8080 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Feb 6 07:18:32 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:18:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602060600q687f3e6dp2b14b84005aacc43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602061519.k16FIljD015171@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. Snip I picked up a nice little Gorton milling machine for beer money last week, but it has a non-standard quill taper, and apparently the best course of action is to get it converted to Bridgeport R8 standard, which makes lots of tooling available. Our bigger mill has Int40 tooling and the Gorton quill won't allow that size of taper (or a 30Int) but R8 is pretty small and Wells Index have done similar jobs before. I'm awaiting a response from them, when I have that I'll update you further. Mill is on ebay: #7585144623 Have a look at the Gorton website while you are there: http://gorton-machine.org:8080 Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peter, you did well; the price was right, that's for sure! Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 07:55:42 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:55:42 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Wells Index, Muskegon, MI. In-Reply-To: <200602061519.k16FIljD015171@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <6f6025160602060600q687f3e6dp2b14b84005aacc43@mail.gmail.com> <200602061519.k16FIljD015171@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160602060755w3d145189v5aa3722504fabf3b@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Orrin Iseminger wrote: > - > > Peter, you did well; the price was right, that's for sure! > > Best regards, > > Orrin > No complaints at all! :-)) The Gorton Company was taken over by Kearney 7 Treckker (sp?) but one of the family, Richard has kept the name alive with the website. The machines seem to be well-regarded, but they are getting on a bit now, this one must be over 50 years old. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 5 19:32:52 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] PITTSBURGH STEELERS RULE !!!! Message-ID: <1139196772.43e6c3644cac1@webmail.city-net.com> One for the Thumb, baby !!!! The NEW Steeler Dynasty has just begun. From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Feb 6 07:37:06 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Converting Film to Digital Message-ID: <20060206.104112.820.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Concerning having film transferred to CD - - - There is a place by me that does this - - - professional - - - Professionally - - - ( Well - they get paid.) I've seen their work - They do no editing - no fading from one tape or scene to another - Nothing. They basically run the film and copy it to CD - - - that's it. You might look into renting a projector - Purchasing a program for you computer and doing it yourself. At least then, if it isn't of top quality - You have only yourself to blame - and - can do it over. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 6 12:04:06 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:04:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For Mike Royster In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203161705.0205ad00@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Yes, It puts it right at the flywheels! We went to Playa del Carmen and Cozumel! Had a blast, The haze is gone and work is staring me in the face again! Send pics when you get your sawrig done. Thanks steve >From: Michael Tucker >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] For Mike Royster >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:22:46 -0500 > > >>The dimension you need is this: from the back of the base of the engine >>to the tank on the screen cooler is 10-3/4 inches. > >Steve, > >Thanks for the info and I'm glad to hear that your iron is safe in the >event of needing a new, new sweet thang. 10-3/4" put's the cooling screen >very close to the flywheels doesn't it? I hope your tequila haze wears off >soon! Where 'bouts in Mexico did you go? > >See ya', >Mike > >_____________________ >Mike Tucker >Midway, Kentucky USA >_____________________ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Feb 6 15:52:50 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:52:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] PITTSBURGH STEELERS RULE !!!!...OT References: <1139196772.43e6c3644cac1@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002301c62b78$744d9830$7288a33a@ogborneuah38i3> Steeler...Fero ,is there a connection. Are they metal suppliers ,obviously not Cricket! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" ; "Slick Willy" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: [SEL] PITTSBURGH STEELERS RULE !!!! > One for the Thumb, baby !!!! > The NEW Steeler Dynasty has just begun. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 6 16:02:22 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:02:22 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Welsh pit winding engine Message-ID: <001c01c62b79$c638b480$0b4c1152@no1> Posted by Andy Dingley on the English engine newsgroup. ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://quercus.livejournal.com/122977.html Photo blogging of a walk around a Welsh Valleys pithead and an unrestored beam engine. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 6 16:47:00 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:47:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's In-Reply-To: <200602061700.k16H04wj015603@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060207022937.00a81508@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:55:35 +0800 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's > >Why is it that some people think they are doing you a bloody favour by >sending FW's . No message with them ,just the mindless shit !. I did solve >it once by hitting reply ....that stopped that particular person but still >it comes from others! >Peter Ogborne Good on ya Peter, I have received many such mails in the past. They usually come from people who are relatively new to the "Internet" or "eMail" and are too stupid to realise that they are stuffing up things for those of us that have been connected from the beginning. I used to get many mails promising a new "Whatever" (Sony Playstation or other desirable (to some)product). They go out as "special offers" and are aimed at the "stupids". I discovered that one of my engine friends's daughter had access to his mail and she always replied to these "scams". They promise something if you just send the mail to 20 friends and CC the mail to the sender. "Good one" - the daughter always forwarded the mails to her fathers "engine list" and " Voila" - the spammer had another 20 addresses to add to his list. She could NOT understand why I crapped on her !! ( She also wondered why the promised product was never delivered to her in the 10 days promised. - in spite of the fact that the original mail made no mention of asking her for a postal address - to send the promised "Whatever" to) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 6 16:47:12 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:47:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Converting Film to Digital In-Reply-To: <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> References: <43E4185B.7010207@earthlink.net> <1139063459.43e4baa361b97@webmail.city-net.com> <00d401c629a0$397ae7a0$0b151941@pengy> <6f6025160602040813r773a1020w3881cccff819bf8a@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060204114251.026c0dc8@mail.alltel.net> <013e01c62a0a$542c5970$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <43E7EE10.8020901@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, You can do it yourself if you have lots of time. A magic box like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7587320964&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 an old projector, and a camcorder with tripod will get it done. From the camcorder it goes to the computer and lots more work there. Once done you will have your DVD. The other option is a film transfer service. I did a lot of checking a few years ago. It can get real expensive. All depends on how many feet of film you have. Prices vary greatly. Here are a couple e-bay links for the service. http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-8-Home-MOVIE-film-Prof-digital-TRANSFER-to-DVD_W0QQitemZ7585605761QQcategoryZ15255QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-8-mm-8mm-Film-Transfer-to-DVD-no-projector_W0QQitemZ7586438521QQcategoryZ15255QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A google search using film to tape, or film to DVD will get you a lot of places that do this also. Jeff Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ Rick Rowlands wrote: > I recently came into posession of over a dozen reels of either 8 mm or > 16 mm films of machining and assembly of large multi cylinder diesel > engines. I would like to convert them to digital before the films > disintegrate. Does anyone have the ability to do this in a > professional manner? > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > www.todengine.org > > William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine > Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Feb 6 22:37:10 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 01:37:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT....annoying FW's In-Reply-To: <001201c62af0$d2207d20$21128795@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001d01c62a9e$e88864d0$b8cb31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20060205172252.0e2845c0@mail.alltel.net> <001201c62af0$d2207d20$21128795@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Whew! I thought for a bit that perhaps you thought some members of the SEL were annoying f--- w--s. I'm glad that's not the case! John On Feb 6, 2006, at 2:41 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > Sorry Dave and Joe.....I should have elaborated ,these FW's are not > from SEL. They are from people who know me and delight in sending me > this mindless bullshit . Some of these people I really don't want to > offend but it looks as if I might have to. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Feb 7 07:39:53 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:39:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Old Welsh pit winding engine In-Reply-To: <001c01c62b79$c638b480$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060207073344.01ba62c0@mail.pennswoods.net> Real interesting Dave. There at one time were a lot of under ground Coal mines in this area. Have worked in a few. Most were operated by large generators for electricity. to run pumps-fans and such. Only saw one that had a gas engine run the air fan. There is two companys in the permit process now to open one new and one idel mine here. At 12:02 AM 2/7/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Posted by Andy Dingley on the English engine newsgroup. >---------------------------------------------------------------- >http://quercus.livejournal.com/122977.html > >Photo blogging of a walk around a Welsh Valleys pithead and an >unrestored beam engine. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Feb 7 09:49:45 2006 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:49:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Welsh pithead Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A706954D29@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >http://quercus.livejournal.com/122977.html >Photo blogging of a walk around a Welsh Valleys pithead and an >unrestored beam engine. >Dave Croft Thanks, Dave - great pictures. Enjoyed the stonework and what we saw of the engine; who's going to free up that 30" diameter piston? The "Larch Woodlands" - last shot, I believe - illustrates a tree very different from what is known as larch on this side of the pond. Our larch is also known as bois d'arc (bo-dark), horse apple, hedge apple, and osage orange. It appears the usage of "larch" stateside may be colloquial and local. European larch: http://www.2020site.org/trees/larch.html North American larch: http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/54097/ The wood is orange in color, incredibly hard and long-lived, difficult to work, and burns very hot. In short, sounds ideal for engine trucks! Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Feb 7 10:11:26 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:11:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: In-ground auto hoist (could be used for lifting engines) Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060207095614.02d1bec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi... As most of you know my brother and I get to play with all sorts of neat toys at the Mt. Wilson Observatory including a 50 hp. 1911 Fairbanks Morse type RE, hundred year old big telescopes, etc. Our most recent project has been refurbishing a 1930's pneumo/hydraulic in-ground automobile hoist to make it usable again. You can see some pictures of the project at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/autohoist/ You might be interested in the system we devised to remove the old oil. Knowing the varied background of the list members I'm hoping someone can help us find a source of slide-on accessories (new or old) such as swing-out arms to support modern cars, etc. I have done Google searches, etc. and so far haven't found anything appropriate. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 7 11:56:51 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:56:51 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy Message-ID: Hi Everybody, A couple weeks ago a tree cutting company was cutting the trees and brush from under the power lines in my area. I stopped at several houses and asked if they wanted the wood that was left laying in their yard. Some wanted it and some were glad to have it picked up. I hauled home about seven truck loads and piled it up. This past Saturday we pulled out the 7hp Economy buzz rig and cut up some of it for a couple hours. My wife took some pictures about half way through. Was alot nicer than using a chain saw. Was neat to hear the engine get off the governor and hit several times in a row while making a cut. Some of the bigger logs it would hit six to ten times in a row while making the cut then get back up on the governor after making the cut. Toward the end of the session the engine was good and hot and I thought I'd see what it would cut, I was impressed how big of a log it would cut. Probably 8 inches or bigger. Of course you could kill the engine if you fed it too fast, but you just have to listen to the blade speed and the engine hitting. Was ALOT of fun! Pictures can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 7 12:28:01 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:28:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy References: Message-ID: <001f01c62c24$fec05460$230110ac@PAUL> Great pictures Luke and I really enjoyed them. Nice to see the old iron of yesterday performing today's chores. Thanks for posting them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy > Hi Everybody, > > A couple weeks ago a tree cutting company was cutting the trees and brush > from under the power lines in my area. I stopped at several houses and > asked if they wanted the wood that was left laying in their yard. Some > wanted it and some were glad to have it picked up. I hauled home about > seven truck loads and piled it up. This past Saturday we pulled out the > 7hp Economy buzz From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Feb 7 13:47:50 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:47:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz Saw Questions Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060207163045.02032488@alltel.net> Howdy all, Luke, GREAT pictures of you and your working saw rig! Those pictures reminded me that I need to ask for some advise from the group. I am putting together a buzz saw rig and I need some advise. The engine that will power the rig is a 1907 4 hp, screen cooled IHC Famous and the saw rig cart originally had a 5 hp Witte on it, probably original from the factory as a unit. My question has to do with the belt setup. The Famous will have a clutch pulley on it and the saw rig table has the pulley on the saw arbor. I can't find any signs of a bracket to mount a belt tensioner/idler pulley on the cart. With this type of setup, do I need one? Opinions please! Thanks, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 7 14:39:40 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:39:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy References: Message-ID: <003501c62c37$655c9eb0$78c731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Nice pictures Luke.........Looks like ''Frost Bite Country''. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:56 AM Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy > Hi Everybody, > > A couple weeks ago a tree cutting company was cutting the trees and brush > from under the power lines in my area. I stopped at several houses and > asked if they wanted the wood that was left laying in their yard. Some > wanted it and some were glad to have it picked up. I hauled home about > seven truck loads and piled it up. This past Saturday we pulled out the > 7hp Economy buzz rig and cut up some of it for a couple hours. My wife > took some pictures about half way through. Was alot nicer than using a > chain saw. Was neat to hear the engine get off the governor and hit > several times in a row while making a cut. Some of the bigger logs it > would hit six to ten times in a row while making the cut then get back up > on the governor after making the cut. Toward the end of the session the > engine was good and hot and I thought I'd see what it would cut, I was > impressed how big of a log it would cut. Probably 8 inches or bigger. Of > course you could kill the engine if you fed it too fast, but you just have > to listen to the blade speed and the engine hitting. Was ALOT of fun! > Pictures can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Feb 7 15:14:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:14:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Old Welsh pit winding engine In-Reply-To: <001c01c62b79$c638b480$0b4c1152@no1> References: <001c01c62b79$c638b480$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: That is so cool! Thanks for posting it! The surrounding countryside looks just like my neighborhood in northeast Tennessee. John On Feb 6, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Dave Croft wrote: > Posted by Andy Dingley on the English engine newsgroup. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://quercus.livejournal.com/122977.html > > Photo blogging of a walk around a Welsh Valleys pithead and an > unrestored beam engine. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 7 16:52:03 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: In-ground auto hoist (could be used for lifting engines) In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060207095614.02d1bec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060208005316.4E0279B41A@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> If it's like the first one I worked with, there are pieces that slide on and stick up to go under the rear axles, and on the front, they swing down and hit the lower control arms. You can raise most current cars if you have the "fittings" we used back in the 60's and 70's. You just need the standard pieces. Kenneth Anderson of Perry, Iowa uses one every week. I THINK it's the same - sure looks like it. There is an air valve on the wall you swing forward or backward, and another valve you pull to activate - that one must be the hydraulic valve. Bill Runnels, IA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:11 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T.: In-ground auto hoist (could be used for lifting engines) Hi... As most of you know my brother and I get to play with all sorts of neat toys at the Mt. Wilson Observatory including a 50 hp. 1911 Fairbanks Morse type RE, hundred year old big telescopes, etc. Our most recent project has been refurbishing a 1930's pneumo/hydraulic in-ground automobile hoist to make it usable again. You can see some pictures of the project at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/autohoist/ You might be interested in the system we devised to remove the old oil. Knowing the varied background of the list members I'm hoping someone can help us find a source of slide-on accessories (new or old) such as swing-out arms to support modern cars, etc. I have done Google searches, etc. and so far haven't found anything appropriate. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Feb 7 17:07:44 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] High crown bolts Message-ID: <007501c62c4c$11cc34d0$1bd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Recently this was a topic. One supplier that advertised in GEM no longer caries them if I remember correctly. Someone posted to try Restoration Supply. They carry them but stop at 1/2" bolts. Anybody found a source for 5/8" bolts or I am I going to have to make them? John Hall From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Feb 7 17:36:01 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:36:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Welsh pithead now Larch tree,OT References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A706954D29@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <001601c62c50$051efac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> i grew up in a bois d'arc thicket, threw horse apples instead of eggs at halloween, but never heard it called a Larch tree,,, learn sumpin new every day !!! another use of the osage orange was bow wood,,, it was VERY prized by the native americans in the south central US, they even had trade networks to move it around the country,,,had a neighbor make a rifle stock from some of it, made a beautiful stock,,,i have bois d'arc fence posts on my place that are 60 to 70 years old and still solid,, and i saw a rookie rancher build a branding fire from some old posts that actually melted his branding iron ! bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas The "Larch Woodlands" - last shot, I believe - illustrates a tree very different from what is known as larch on this side of the pond. Our larch is also known as bois d'arc (bo-dark), horse apple, hedge apple, and osage orange. It appears the usage of "larch" stateside may be colloquial and local. European larch: http://www.2020site.org/trees/larch.html North American larch: http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/54097/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 7 17:52:55 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:52:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: In-ground auto hoist (could be used for lifting engines) In-Reply-To: <20060208005316.4E0279B41A@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060207095614.02d1bec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <20060208005316.4E0279B41A@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060207204933.02654728@mail.alltel.net> Hi Larry, Seems that Globe Lifts is still in business. SVI claims to have "parts" available. Give them a try at: http://www.sviinternational.com/?OVRAW=%20globe%20auto%20lifts&OVKEY=globe%20auto%20lift&OVMTC=standard Who knows, you may get lucky! Dave PS, Great pictures--they bring back good memories! >Hi... >As most of you know my brother and I get to play with all sorts of neat toys >at the Mt. Wilson Observatory including a 50 hp. 1911 Fairbanks Morse type >RE, hundred year old big telescopes, etc. Our most recent project has been >refurbishing a 1930's pneumo/hydraulic in-ground automobile hoist to make it >usable again. You can see some pictures of the project at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/autohoist/ >You might be interested in the system we devised to remove the old oil. > >Knowing the varied background of the list members I'm hoping someone can >help us find a source of slide-on accessories (new or old) such as swing-out >arms to support modern cars, etc. I have done Google searches, etc. and so >far haven't found anything appropriate. > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 7 17:59:36 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:59:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T.: In-ground auto hoist (could be used for lifting engines) In-Reply-To: <20060208005316.4E0279B41A@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060207095614.02d1bec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <20060208005316.4E0279B41A@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060207205823.0d9fbbb8@mail.alltel.net> Larry, http://www.parts4lifts.com/homepage.html;$sessionid$I4WTYMAAAAGOJTZENUGZPQWPERWRJPX0 might help as well. See also: http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=globe+lifts Dave >Hi... >As most of you know my brother and I get to play with all sorts of neat toys >at the Mt. Wilson Observatory including a 50 hp. 1911 Fairbanks Morse type >RE, hundred year old big telescopes, etc. Our most recent project has been >refurbishing a 1930's pneumo/hydraulic in-ground automobile hoist to make it >usable again. You can see some pictures of the project at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/autohoist/ >You might be interested in the system we devised to remove the old oil. > >Knowing the varied background of the list members I'm hoping someone can >help us find a source of slide-on accessories (new or old) such as swing-out >arms to support modern cars, etc. I have done Google searches, etc. and so >far haven't found anything appropriate. > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Feb 7 20:29:56 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:29:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] High crown bolts In-Reply-To: <007501c62c4c$11cc34d0$1bd34c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <007501c62c4c$11cc34d0$1bd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <43E973C4.3030705@wightman.ca> Hi John, I didn't have time for an indepth look but try these guys. http://www.spaenaur.com Duncan John Hall wrote: > Recently this was a topic. One supplier that advertised in GEM no > longer caries them if I remember correctly. Someone posted to try > Restoration Supply. They carry them but stop at 1/2" bolts. Anybody > found a source for 5/8" bolts or I am I going to have to make them? > > John Hall > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From falcon at telenet.net Tue Feb 7 21:45:16 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:45:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] From engines to cookware this list gets around... Message-ID: <001101c62c72$ea81b220$771117d1@net.telenet.net> Just found another site on the web that references Bill Dickersons site about electrololytic removal of rust. This one is about Dutch oven cooking! That page turns up a LOT. It is on many of the auto lists I'm on as well. Way to go.. http://papadutch.home.comcast.net/dutch-oven-care.htm#Strip Does anyone know the author of the page? Byron Bills Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Feb 8 05:11:56 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] High crown bolts In-Reply-To: <43E973C4.3030705@wightman.ca> References: <007501c62c4c$11cc34d0$1bd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <43E973C4.3030705@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <43E9EE1C.8050302@scrtc.com> Duncan, I tried them as well as Fastenal some time ago and they didn't have the high crown bolts at that time. Perhaps their inventory has changed though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi John, > > I didn't have time for an indepth look but try these guys. > http://www.spaenaur.com > > Duncan > > John Hall wrote: > >> Recently this was a topic. One supplier that advertised in GEM no >> longer caries them if I remember correctly. Someone posted to try >> Restoration Supply. They carry them but stop at 1/2" bolts. Anybody >> found a source for 5/8" bolts or I am I going to have to make them? >> >> John Hall >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Feb 8 06:24:18 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:24:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz Saw Questions Message-ID: <20060208.092514.832.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, If you have the Famous and the saw the proper distance apart for the belt, you probably won't need a tensioner. I ran a buzz saw with my 2? HP Witte both sitting stationary on the ground. I started the engine with the belt tight and all worked out good. You have the advantage of a clutch. I used to cut slices of log and spray paint a "happy face" on the slices using a stencil I cut from a milk jug. Play safe - It draws a good crowd. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From nick at holden1.net Wed Feb 8 13:07:41 2006 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:07:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] High crown bolts References: <007501c62c4c$11cc34d0$1bd34c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <43EA5D9D.000001.03900@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> John try your local Cat dealer and ask for track pad bolts the only problem may be they will all be UNF i think Nick Holden Banbury (UK) http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden skype: nickholden1 -------Original Message------- From: John Hall Date: 02/08/06 01:38:18 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] High crown bolts Recently this was a topic. One supplier that advertised in GEM no longer caries them if I remember correctly. Someone posted to try Restoration Supply. They carry them but stop at 1/2" bolts. Anybody found a source for 5/8" bolts or I am I going to have to make them? John Hall _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 8 18:06:23 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:06:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy In-Reply-To: <003501c62c37$655c9eb0$78c731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20060209020623.25355.qmail@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Yup, I live just a couple hours North of Luke and it is 11 degrees F. here right now. I was so excited last year at the local Buckley, Michigan engine show. There was a beautifully restored Economy saw rig like Luke's sitting across from my display. I didn't see anyone over there for almost the whole show. I was told it was for sale and I had the cash ready to go when the guy did show up. I was told the guy was asking $1700 for it and I wasn't going to dicker, just hand it over. Turns out that is just what the guy told someone it was WORTH, He wouldn't sell it for any price. He was 82 years old and his father had bought it new. I gave him my card anyway 8>)) So close it fely, but it turned out to be just a dream I had for a couple days. 8>))) Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan peter ogborne wrote: Nice pictures Luke.........Looks like ''Frost Bite Country''. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:56 AM Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy > Hi Everybody, > > A couple weeks ago a tree cutting company was cutting the trees and brush > from under the power lines in my area. I stopped at several houses and > asked if they wanted the wood that was left laying in their yard. Some > wanted it and some were glad to have it picked up. I hauled home about > seven truck loads and piled it up. This past Saturday we pulled out the > 7hp Economy buzz rig and cut up some of it for a couple hours. My wife > took some pictures about half way through. Was alot nicer than using a > chain saw. Was neat to hear the engine get off the governor and hit > several times in a row while making a cut. Some of the bigger logs it > would hit six to ten times in a row while making the cut then get back up > on the governor after making the cut. Toward the end of the session the > engine was good and hot and I thought I'd see what it would cut, I was > impressed how big of a log it would cut. Probably 8 inches or bigger. Of > course you could kill the engine if you fed it too fast, but you just have > to listen to the blade speed and the engine hitting. Was ALOT of fun! > Pictures can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1930115584-1139450783=:22421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Peter,

Yup, I live just a couple hours North of Luke and it is 11 degrees F. here right now.

I was so excited last year at the local Buckley, Michigan engine show. There was a beautifully restored Economy saw rig like Luke's sitting across from my display. I didn't see anyone over there for almost the whole show. I was told it was for sale and I had the cash ready to go when the guy did show up. I was told the guy was asking $1700 for it and I wasn't going to dicker, just hand it over. Turns out that is just what the guy told someone it was WORTH, He wouldn't sell it for any price. He was 82 years old and his father had bought it new.

I gave him my card anyway 8>))

So close it fely, but it turned out to be just a dream I had for a couple days. 8>)))

Alan Bowen

Williamsburg, Michigan

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

Nice pictures Luke.........Looks like ''Frost Bite Country''.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy

> Hi Everybody,
>
> A couple weeks ago a tree cutting company was cutting the trees and brush
> from under the power lines in my area. I stopped at several houses and
> asked if they wanted the wood that was left laying in their yard. Some
> wanted it and some were glad to have it picked up. I hauled home about
> seven truck loads and piled it up. This past Saturday we pulled out the
> 7hp Economy buzz rig and cut up some of it for a couple hours. My w ife
> took some pictures about half way through. Was alot nicer than using a
> chain saw. Was neat to hear the engine get off the governor and hit
> several times in a row while making a cut. Some of the bigger logs it
> would hit six to ten times in a row while making the cut then get back up
> on the governor after making the cut. Toward the end of the session the
> engine was good and hot and I thought I'd see what it would cut, I was
> impressed how big of a log it would cut. Probably 8 inches or bigger. Of
> course you could kill the engine if you fed it too fast, but you just have
> to listen to the blade speed and the engine hitting. Was ALOT of fun!
> Pictures can be seen here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/sawrig/sawrig.html
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 8 19:55:14 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:55:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] N.Z. Message-ID: <001601c62d2c$a245c450$6f27683a@fred> HI, Are there any list members on line who live in N.Z.? would you contact me off list please. Brian in Melbourne. From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Thu Feb 9 00:58:10 2006 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:58:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FM boat engine References: <43EAB3E7.2080409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000801c62d56$f51ca390$0301a8c0@Young1203> and F-M still makes boat engines, check this out... http://www.fairbanksmorse.com/ Michael Young 5 Beech Crescent Orange NSW 2800 AUSTRALIA http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [SEL] FM boat engine > Hi all, > > Got this from another list and thought it worth sharing. > > > Last summer we took our summer vacation in Burlington Vermont. After > > a very nice week's stay in a local bed and breakfast, we decided to > > take the ferry across Lake Champlain to the New York side and drive > > south from there. The Ferry ride was quite interesting. This car > > carrying ferry is powered by an eight cylinder Fairbanks Morse two > > stroke diesel engine! There is a pilot house on each end of the > > ferry. The engine drives the hull through a central drive shaft to the > > propellers , one at each end of the vessel. > > The captain uses the old method of signaling the engine room with bell > > signals. During the day when the ferry is in operation the engine is > > running continually. When the ferry arrives at the dock it is kept > > running to keep it tight to the car ramp. When ready to depart to the > > other side of the lake, the captain gives a couple of dings on the > > bell and the engineer reverses the engine! > > > > There was a plaque on the wall of the ferry describing the engine and > > it's age. I think it was 1929 and also a typed note written next to > > the plaque asking for information on spare parts for this engine. > > > > During the trip I could stand at the door of the engine room an look > > down and watch the engineer turning a large hand wheel that controlled > > the throttle. > > Jeff > > -- > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado, USA > transteck at earthlink.net > http://frapa.us/ > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Feb 9 03:07:51 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:07:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] High crown bolts In-Reply-To: <43E9EE1C.8050302@scrtc.com> References: <007501c62c4c$11cc34d0$1bd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <43E973C4.3030705@wightman.ca> <43E9EE1C.8050302@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <43EB2287.2060205@wightman.ca> You are probably right Tommy. I know I saw them somewhere but and I could have sworn it was there. Sigh Dunc Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Duncan, > > I tried them as well as Fastenal some time ago and they didn't have > the high crown bolts at that time. Perhaps their inventory has > changed though. > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Feb 9 04:23:55 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:23:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy In-Reply-To: <20060209020623.25355.qmail@web37314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The engine Alan is talking about is pictured at the top of this page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================== >From: Alan Bowen > > I was so excited last year at the local Buckley, Michigan engine show. >There was a beautifully restored Economy saw rig like Luke's sitting across >from my display. I didn't see anyone over there for almost the whole show. > I was told it was for sale and I had the cash ready to go when the guy >did show up. I was told the guy was asking $1700 for it and I wasn't going >to dicker, just hand it over. Turns out that is just what the guy told >someone it was WORTH, He wouldn't sell it for any price. He was 82 years >old and his father had bought it new. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 9 09:51:08 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:51:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buzzin Wood with 7hp Economy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060209175108.67671.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the pictures, Luke. It still brings tears to my eyes though. 8>((( Sad Alan North of ya,,,,, Luke Tonneberger wrote: The engine Alan is talking about is pictured at the top of this page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================== >From: Alan Bowen > > I was so excited last year at the local Buckley, Michigan engine show. >There was a beautifully restored Economy saw rig like Luke's sitting across >from my display. I didn't see anyone over there for almost the whole show. > I was told it was for sale and I had the cash ready to go when the guy >did show up. I was told the guy was asking $1700 for it and I wasn't going >to dicker, just hand it over. Turns out that is just what the guy told >someone it was WORTH, He wouldn't sell it for any price. He was 82 years >old and his father had bought it new. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1305034333-1139507468=:66983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks for the pictures, Luke.

It still brings tears to my eyes though. 8>(((

Sad Alan North of ya,,,,,

Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

The engine Alan is talking about is pictured at the top of this page:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==============================

>From: Alan Bowen
>
> I was so excited last year at the local Buckley, Michigan engine show.
>There was a beautifully restored Economy saw rig like Luke's sitting across
>from my display. I didn't see anyone over there for almost the whole show.
> I was told it was for sale and I had the cash ready to go when the guy
>did show up. I was t old the guy was asking $1700 for it and I wasn't going
>to dicker, just hand it over. Turns out that is just what the guy told
>someone it was WORTH, He wouldn't sell it for any price. He was 82 years
>old and his father had bought it new.
>
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan

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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Feb 9 23:26:53 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:26:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000d01c62e13$5efe0580$2984dccb@oemcomputer> EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Feb 9 23:46:42 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:46:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] test References: <000d01c62e13$5efe0580$2984dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001701c62e16$24deb090$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Got to me Ed. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [SEL] test > > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Feb 10 01:59:59 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:59:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <001701c62e16$24deb090$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000d01c62e13$5efe0580$2984dccb@oemcomputer> <001701c62e16$24deb090$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <43EC641F.2000308@comcast.net> Testing:1,2....testing...one,two. From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Feb 10 08:24:17 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:24:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20060210.114225.784.5.jlb94@juno.com> Testing - Testing - 1. 2. 3 Testing. Testing - Testing - Seven - Six - Sixteen - Hello - (This is a standard microphone test.) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Feb 10 09:32:24 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:32:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT- getting something from Idaho to Iowa In-Reply-To: <20060208.092514.832.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060208.092514.832.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <3831.165.206.180.6.1139592744.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> One of these days, I'll come up with something helpful and engine related to contribute, in the meantime, sorry for another OT post about getting thins moved across the US. I'm looking into buying a small car that's in north-central Idaho. Looks like a 2 day journey at the least, not to mention lots of gas, etc. through the truck pulling my crazy heavy flatbed. What are the options, short of driving it back since I'd have to drive out there and that would mean leaving a car there! And it's not been driven far in years so I'd rather not chance that yet. Shipping it? Who does this? What's the cost? Anyone else heading this way from there with an empty trailer? Maybe someone will be on an engine or tractor run? The price on the car isn't too awfully bad so IF I do decide to purchase it, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say I could pay to get it done - and the gas and cost of me doing it would be saved/offset. I figure a couple hundred in gas is what it would take just to get my rig out there. Bill Runnells, Iowa From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Fri Feb 10 09:47:21 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:47:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <20060210.114225.784.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: It's workin! Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Testing - Testing - 1. 2. 3 Testing. > > Testing - Testing - Seven - Six - Sixteen - Hello - > > (This is a standard microphone test.) > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Feb 10 10:45:11 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:45:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <20060210.135536.1040.1.jlb94@juno.com> 10-4 Good Buddy Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net Fri Feb 10 13:29:50 2006 From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:29:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: Joe : did you get my E-mail about Moundsville ? From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net Fri Feb 10 13:29:55 2006 From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:29:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: Joe : did you get my E-mail about Moundsville ? From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri Feb 10 18:32:41 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:32:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <20060210.114225.784.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060210183224.01b60e60@mail.pennswoods.net> You passed Joe At 11:24 AM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Testing - Testing - 1. 2. 3 Testing. > >Testing - Testing - Seven - Six - Sixteen - Hello - > >(This is a standard microphone test.) > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Feb 10 17:01:28 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:01:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick Message-ID: For Patrick down under..hope you had a good one!! Thanks so much for the website which has helped me in this old iron world!!! Seems like anytime I do a google, your website will be there with all the info I need. Best Regards, RickinMt. From yostsw at atis.net Fri Feb 10 20:15:38 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Deferrals In-Reply-To: <43EC6FCC.4030504@verizon.net> References: <43EC6FCC.4030504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200602102315380562.71E00684@heavyiron.atis.net> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 2/10/2006 at 5:49 AM Mike Sloane wrote: >Spencer - it looks like there are some problems at your end. > >Mike >-- > >Delivery attempt history for your mail: > >Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:08:44 -0600 (CST) >at at lists.antique-tractor.com: smtp;450 Service temporarily unavailable; Client host [206.46.252.46] deferred using qil.kelkea.com > Hey Mike, I am copying the lists so others may understand too. I get a dozen private messages a day saying the same thing and of course this kind of stuff gets posted to the lists. So I want to explain this one last time for everyone. I discussed deferred messages when receiving mail during my response to Dean. Let me discuss deferrals when you send messages now.. When you send a message, your message does NOT go to my server. It goes to my SPAM/Anti-virus service provider's (Trend Micro) servers. Trend Micro uses the 450 deferral error message to indicate that your mail server is listed on SPAM lookup lists. Your mail server, qil.kelkea.com[206.46.252.46], is listed at Netherworld right now and was on other blacklists earlier. Check out DNS style blacklists and Trend Micro here: http://www.dnsstuff.com http://www.trendmicro.com This is just the normal course of business and what the message indicates is Trend Micro is waiting for kil.kelkea.com to fall away from the black lists. There is no real cause for alarm unless it goes on for more than a day or two. Any public mail service is the source of SPAM from time to time and mail from that mail server gets squashed by anyone like myself that uses a full SPAM filtering product or service. ATIS has been on black lists before itself when one of my users was sending SPAM. I also have shown up on a couple of IP style blacklists because my IP address falls within a range of residential addresses and most mail servers assume that only viruses sending SPAM would send mail from a residential address. Roadrunner finally stopped broadcasting my address in the list of residential address and fixed that problem. Why does this not happen to other messages you send you ask?- Simple. Many other mail servers do NOT use complete SPAM filtering that uses DNS/BlackHole/SPAM storm style lists. Their SPAM filters only do content filtering. Anyone that gets more than 20 SPAM messages a day has a mail service that doesn't use blacklists as part of their SPAM filtering. Blacklists are the only reliable way to filter SPAM in a proactive, highly adaptive way. Also, everyone should note that Trend Micro is a fairly large, very capable 24x7 company that receives and pre-processes my mail(they better - I pay a very pretty penny to them !) I can virtually promise everyone that as long as you, your message, and your ISP are legit and off the blacklists, your message will go through. It is almost never a "problem on my end". Even if my server is down, Trend Micro caches my messages for me. I hope this helps to explain things. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Feb 11 06:27:39 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:27:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] engines Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060211062711.01b31790@mail.pennswoods.net> Hi people i have for sale 2 hit and miss and 2 power unites. A Sattley 2hp ser.51103 new ek mag runs great. Stover ct1 ser ta222246 1 1/2-2 hp new mag and have a burr mill to go with this one if i can find it all. no.3 is a Nove RF 31/4x5 ser. 3356 runs good. no.3 is a leroy 2 cyl don't have numbers yet it has not run for me i think i have timing wrong. all are pick up.$2000.00 for package. The Stover is barn fresh all i have done is some cleaning and mag rebuilt it runs good The two hit and miss are on trucks but not fancy just 4 wheels and frame. Thanks for looking R Fink PA From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 12 03:06:04 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:06:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Thanks Rick. Another year older and no one bought me an engine for my birthday. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- For Patrick down under..hope you had a good one!! Thanks so much for the website which has helped me in this old iron world!!! Seems like anytime I do a google, your website will be there with all the info I need. Best Regards, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Sun Feb 12 03:19:58 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:19:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <012501c62fc6$428bb500$5f11fea9@merlin> Happy Birthday Patrick hope you have a good one Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick > Thanks Rick. > Another year older and no one bought me an engine for my birthday. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > -----Original Message----- > > > For Patrick down under..hope you had a good one!! Thanks so much for the > website which has helped me in this old iron world!!! Seems like anytime > I > do a google, your website will be there with all the info I need. > > Best Regards, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sun Feb 12 05:46:56 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:46:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Not OT since it is about the list email.... References: <200602111804130203.75E944D5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602120846560187.7918EABD@heavyiron.atis.net> I just thought you folks would get a kick out of seeing what ATIS and other folks that run email servers have to deal with in terms of SPAM/Phish/Virus mail: http://www.atis.net/~yostsw/trendreport.pdf This is just one of 49 domains I provide email service for. Well over 20K messages/day are blocked and maybe 1.5K is accepted. You can bet your bottom dollar that many ISPs don't go to this much trouble (and why you get more than a few SPAM messages a day) and the ones that do are going to have to start charging for email. Speakign of email postage: This doesn't affect us too much, but is a harbinger of things to come. Make no mistake: Email postage is coming, even if it takes a few years: http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,38950,00.html http://www.sacunion.com/pages/entertainment/articles/7679/ Just thought this would be an interesting point and some intersting reading on a day that is snowy for most of us. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Feb 12 07:46:44 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:46:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coil on Ebay Message-ID: <43EF5864.1070801@scrtc.com> Can someone tell me why this coil is so popular? I know it is a nice original coil but I have seen many others in similar condition that aren't in this price range. Is it because it has the "Enduro" tag on it? Thanks. Ebay item # 4610917775 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 12 08:12:37 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:12:37 EST Subject: [SEL] Coil on Ebay Message-ID: <1c8.3a9f668c.3120b875@aol.com> In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:08:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << Can someone tell me why this coil is so popular? >> Tommy, I think it must be in the same category as the fruit jar Maytag! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 12 08:44:39 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:44:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coil on Ebay In-Reply-To: <1c8.3a9f668c.3120b875@aol.com> References: <1c8.3a9f668c.3120b875@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060212114413.025d5a58@mail.alltel.net> At 11:12 AM 2/12/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:08:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > ><< Can someone tell me why this coil is so popular? >> > > >Tommy, > >I think it must be in the same category as the fruit jar Maytag! > >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, You mean that it won't work? Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Feb 12 08:45:57 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:45:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coil on Ebay In-Reply-To: <1c8.3a9f668c.3120b875@aol.com> References: <1c8.3a9f668c.3120b875@aol.com> Message-ID: <43EF6645.9090502@scrtc.com> Maybe so Tom. It looks a little high to me but I'm not a coil collector. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:08:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > ><< Can someone tell me why this coil is so popular? >> > > >Tommy, > >I think it must be in the same category as the fruit jar Maytag! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 12 08:50:03 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:50:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] engines In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060211062711.01b31790@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20060211062711.01b31790@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060212114629.02628738@mail.alltel.net> At 09:27 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >Hi people i have for sale 2 hit and miss and 2 power unites. >Thanks for looking >R Fink >PA Harry's page (http://www.enginads.com/) is a good place to advertise your engines. GEM is another place you might want to consider! ATIS (http://www.antique-tractor.com/classifieds/viewads.phtml) also has a place for classified ads. Dave From pcgray at zoominternet.net Sun Feb 12 13:01:56 2006 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:01:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Myrick Registry Message-ID: Anyone who wants their engine listed on the Myrick Registry, please feel free to email me with the particulars. You can see what I have at http://users.zoominternet.net/~pcgray/Myrick/myrick.htm The registry is at the page bottom. I am not going to list locations or owners names, but do tell me if your engine has unusual attributes such as brass rod, hot tube, gas tank in base etc. Maybe we can answer if they numbered their engines sequentially and see how many are out there. Paul Gray pcgray at zoominternet.net From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 13:19:52 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:19:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Coil on Ebay In-Reply-To: <43EF5864.1070801@scrtc.com> References: <43EF5864.1070801@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160602121319q60e14a2l7154a043d847b408@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Can someone tell me why this coil is so popular? I know it is a nice > original coil but I have seen many others in similar condition that > aren't in this price range. Is it because it has the "Enduro" tag on > it? Thanks. > > Ebay item # 4610917775 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > It's mainly that there are enough of guys who are willing to bid the price up, Tommy. If there was just the one bidder it wouldn't go very far. The first two bidders did the damage, the others just topped it up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 13:29:00 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:29:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Not OT since it is about the list email.... In-Reply-To: <200602120846560187.7918EABD@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200602111804130203.75E944D5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200602120846560187.7918EABD@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160602121329r796117c2o9fe8b40ed6a32726@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Spencer Yost wrote: > I just thought you folks would get a kick out of seeing what ATIS and other > folks that run email servers have to deal with in terms of SPAM/Phish/Virus > mail: > > http://www.atis.net/~yostsw/trendreport.pdf > > This is just one of 49 domains I provide email service for. Well over 20K > messages/day are blocked and maybe 1.5K is accepted. You can bet your > bottom dollar that many ISPs don't go to this much trouble (and why you get > more than a few SPAM messages a day) and the ones that do are going to have > to start charging for email. > > Speakign of email postage: This doesn't affect us too much, but is a > harbinger of things to come. Make no mistake: Email postage is coming, > even if it takes a few years: > > http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,38950,00.html > http://www.sacunion.com/pages/entertainment/articles/7679/ > > Just thought this would be an interesting point and some intersting reading > on a day that is snowy for most of us. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS Saw the snow reports this evening, looks a bit dodgy in places in the eastern side of the USA, and that after one of the mildest periods for a long time.... There was an item on the BBC website last week about changes to the way the internet is operated, and that there are plans for ISP's to start charging extra for some content. URL is here if you want to read the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4700430.stm As far as spam goes, we clean out our spam folder on the Easynet server once a week, normally 800+ spam emails in there, we don't look through them, just empty the folder. Same for our company email address which is also at Easynet. Mailwasher Pro catches a few daily that get through Easynet's filtering. This email address with Gmail doesn't attract any spam as it is only used for the two engine lists and a bit of private mail. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 12 13:09:29 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:09:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Myrick Registry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, VERY nice and interesting page. BTW on the Myrick Junior 1.5 HP, you talk about it having an enamel paint job and you show the original paint that was underneath. I've got a nice original two cylinder Novo Rollr pump outfit that someone slapped yellow paint over. They did it to make the rig easier to see in low light conditions. I can see nice original Novo dark green paint in places where the yellow has come off and I can see the outline of the Novo Rollr decal under the yellow paint. How did you remove the enamel paint without damaging the original paint underneath? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote: > Anyone who wants their engine listed on the Myrick Registry, please > feel free to email me with the particulars. You can see what I have at > http://users.zoominternet.net/~pcgray/Myrick/myrick.htm The registry is > at the page bottom. > I am not going to list locations or owners names, but do tell me if > your engine has unusual attributes such as brass rod, hot tube, gas > tank in base etc. Maybe we can answer if they numbered their engines > sequentially and see how many are out there. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 12 14:48:38 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:48:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coil on Ebay In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602121319q60e14a2l7154a043d847b408@mail.gmail.com > References: <43EF5864.1070801@scrtc.com> <6f6025160602121319q60e14a2l7154a043d847b408@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060212174619.02643a58@mail.alltel.net> At 04:19 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: >On 2/12/06, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > > Can someone tell me why this coil is so popular? I know it is a nice > > original coil but I have seen many others in similar condition that > > aren't in this price range. Is it because it has the "Enduro" tag on > > it? Thanks. > > Ebay item # 4610917775 > > Tommy Turner >It's mainly that there are enough of guys who are willing to bid the >price up, Tommy. If there was just the one bidder it wouldn't go very >far. >The first two bidders did the damage, the others just topped it up. >Peter Hi Peter, Your posts are usually informative and interesting. This one is NOT one of your best. Dave From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Feb 12 17:23:07 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:23:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> Well today is my birthday too and while I didn't get an engine I did get some really neat old iron. My dad made arrangements with my uncle go get my grandpa's old cider mill for my birthday. He picked it up and surprised me with it Wednesday night. Needless to say, I was thrilled! It was made in 1869. I can remember in the mid 1960s as a small child helping my grandpa throw apples into the hopper and make apple cider. After my grandparents deaths my uncle ended up with mill. It has sat in his old barn, which the roof blew off, for the past 15 or so years. The wood is all rotten but other than missing the had crank it is all there and in pretty good shape. Dad and I unloaded it yesterday and disassembled the mill. Pictures can be seen here: http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm One interesting thing. Several years ago fellow list member Glenn Karch had given us the metal parts for an old cider mill he had found is his in-laws woods. Another good friend of ours had a restored cider mill that we were going to borrow to use as a pattern to rebuild the mill from Glenn. Well a few months ago our friends house was totally demolished by the tornado that came through Evansville. He called me and ask if we could store the mill, a couple of engines and an antique tractor until he could get his house and barn rebuilt. We picked the stuff up and have it stored in our barns. Would you believe that his cider mill is the exact same brand and model mill as my Grandpa's. It will make the rebuilding of the wood frame of the mill much easier. We plan to simultaneously restore both mills. Keith Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana www.herculesengines.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Feb 12 17:50:26 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:50:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060212204834.02658f18@mail.alltel.net> >. Would you believe that his cider mill is the exact same brand and model >mill as my Grandpa's. It will make the rebuilding of the wood frame of >the mill much easier. We plan to simultaneously restore both mills. >Keith That's a GREAT project Keith! I'm sure that you will have it ready for pressing by the time the apples are ready to be squoze! Dave PS, Oh, Happy Birthday! From kkinney at herculesengines.com Sun Feb 12 18:54:24 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:54:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 5 H.P. Economy Engine. In-Reply-To: <43EE8B9B.8030500@earthlink.net> References: <43EE8B9B.8030500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060212204141.024985f0@herculesengines.com> Since I was busy posting pictures I thought I'd post some of our latest engine acquisition. We got this 5 H.P. Economy engine in the fall of 2005. My sister and her family had purchased the engine several years before planning to show the engine. After several years of never having had it out of the barn they decided they would rather have a Farmall Cub tractor that they could use around their place and also take it to shows. So dad and I started looking around for a Cub. Finally in October we went to an auction and came home with a Cub which we traded to my sister for the engine. The pictures below shows dad cutting some slab wood. The engine runs real well but could use some cosmetic work. The water hopper gasket leaks. Anybody had the hopper off one of these? http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/5HP%20Economy.html Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana WWW.HerculesEngines.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Feb 12 19:42:30 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:42:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 5 H.P. Economy Engine. References: <43EE8B9B.8030500@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212204141.024985f0@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith..thought I could help with my 5hp 86863, but the oiler on mine is in the hopper: http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/1076454872039077051XcZEvR and http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/2818052690039077051cPgUiu I cut the bolts with a hacksaw blade...Oiler tube clearance was a concern on re-assembly. Sorry can't help more, RickinMt. > Since I was busy posting pictures I thought I'd post some of our > latest engine acquisition. > > We got this 5 H.P. Economy engine in the fall of 2005. My sister and > her family had purchased the engine several years before planning to > show the engine. After several years of never having had it out of > the barn they decided they would rather have a Farmall Cub tractor > that they could use around their place and also take it to shows. So > dad and I started looking around for a Cub. Finally in October we > went to an auction and came home with a Cub which we traded to my > sister for the engine. The pictures below shows dad cutting some > slab wood. The engine runs real well but could use some cosmetic > work. The water hopper gasket leaks. Anybody had the hopper off one of > these? > > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/5HP%20Economy.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 12 20:45:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:45:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060212204834.02658f18@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060212204834.02658f18@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1139805918.43f00edeb6f14@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Keith, You should give some thought to dragging that cider mill east to Apple & Arts in October. It would be an AWESOME compliment to the main cider operation and a real crowd pleaser as well. See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Rotigel : > >Would you believe that his cider mill is the exact same brand and model > >mill as my Grandpa's. It will make the rebuilding of the wood frame of > >the mill much easier. We plan to simultaneously restore both mills. > >Keith > > That's a GREAT project Keith! I'm sure that you will have it ready for > pressing by the time the apples are ready to be squoze! From bmvid at snet.net Mon Feb 13 04:24:23 2006 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:24:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <43F07A77.7020201@snet.net> Our group restored a cider mill last year. Fun project!! It features a hydraulic press and conveyer to transport the apples to the grinder. The orchard owner said it was originally steam powered and later converted to electric. We are told it is one of several that were built by an inventor in Bristol,CT around 1901. Here are some "Before" pictures: http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/ciderpress/ Here it is in action at our fall show in Haddam,CT: http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/tvf/ Mick DeMaria Keith Kinney wrote: > Well today is my birthday too and while I didn't get an engine I did get > some really neat old iron. My dad made arrangements with my uncle go > get my grandpa's old cider mill for my birthday. He picked it up and > surprised me with it Wednesday night. Needless to say, I was thrilled! > > It was made in 1869. I can remember in the mid 1960s as a small child > helping my grandpa throw apples into the hopper and make apple cider. > After my grandparents deaths my uncle ended up with mill. It has sat in > his old barn, which the roof blew off, for the past 15 or so years. The > wood is all rotten but other than missing the had crank it is all there > and in pretty good shape. Dad and I unloaded it yesterday and > disassembled the mill. Pictures can be seen here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm > > One interesting thing. Several years ago fellow list member Glenn Karch > had given us the metal parts for an old cider mill he had found is his > in-laws woods. Another good friend of ours had a restored cider mill > that we were going to borrow to use as a pattern to rebuild the mill > from Glenn. Well a few months ago our friends house was totally > demolished by the tornado that came through Evansville. He called me > and ask if we could store the mill, a couple of engines and an antique > tractor until he could get his house and barn rebuilt. We picked the > stuff up and have it stored in our barns. Would you believe that his > cider mill is the exact same brand and model mill as my Grandpa's. It > will make the rebuilding of the wood frame of the mill much easier. We > plan to simultaneously restore both mills. > Keith > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana > www.herculesengines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 13 10:13:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:13:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <43F07A77.7020201@snet.net> Message-ID: <001701c630c9$291109a0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick DeMaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill > Our group restored a cider mill last year. Fun project!! It features > a hydraulic press and conveyer to transport the apples to the grinder. > The orchard owner said it was originally steam powered and later > converted to electric. We are told it is one of several that were built > by an inventor in Bristol,CT around 1901. > Here are some "Before" pictures: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/ciderpress/ > Here it is in action at our fall show in Haddam,CT: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/tvf/ > Mick DeMaria > Keith Kinney wrote: >> Well today is my birthday too and while I didn't get an engine I did get >> some really neat old iron. Snip >>Dad and I unloaded it yesterday and >> disassembled the mill. Pictures can be seen here: >> http://www.herculesengines.com/Cider%20Mill/index.htm Snip >> Keith Kinney Hi gang, Cider making is one of my favourite pursuits! For 30 years we spent one week a year in England's biggest cider county, Hereford. Close to my wife's families farm was a chap who every year made a large amount of cider from the smaller orchards that were no longer big enough for large cider factories. He scratted & pressed the crop brought to him & the orchard owner got half the cider. Jeff kept the rest as payment. Every year when I arrived I used to check & lubricate the machinery & get the Lister 3 HP running well in time for the Autumn pressing season. My payment was a weeks free cider drinking. See http://community.webshots.com/album/74826143klZVOa/2 Unfortunately due to my wife's bad health we haven't been for a few years. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Mon Feb 13 10:22:16 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:22:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston pattern update Message-ID: <43F0CE58.8050306@imc-group.com> Guys, Over the weekend I wrapped up the pattern portion of the Alamo piston project. About a week ago I posted pictures of the corebox part of the project and this post covers the pattern portion. About half way down is an update marked 2/13/06. Hope you enjoyed these. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Now if Rick can just get the Tod Works Foundry up and going..... :-) http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbnails.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 13 10:38:34 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:38:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <001701c630c9$291109a0$0b4c1152@no1> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <43F07A77.7020201@snet.net> <001701c630c9$291109a0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, You should elaborate on the joys of English cider; especially that wonderful stuff that gets referred to as Scrumpy or "rat tail" cider. 8->> http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/1/phil.jpg http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gunning/scrumpy.html Over here most folks think of apple juice when they hear the word cider. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Dave Croft wrote: > Hi gang, Cider making is one of my favourite pursuits! For 30 years we spent one > week a year in England's biggest cider county, Hereford. > Close to my wife's families farm was a chap who every year made a large amount of cider > from the smaller orchards that were no longer big enough for large cider factories. > He scratted & pressed the crop brought to him & the orchard owner got half the cider. > Jeff kept the rest as payment. > Every year when I arrived I used to check & lubricate the machinery & get the Lister 3 HP running > well in time for the Autumn pressing season. > My payment was a weeks free cider drinking. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/74826143klZVOa/2 From pcgray at zoominternet.net Mon Feb 13 12:40:53 2006 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:40:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Myrick Registry-> Removing paint for Arnie In-Reply-To: <200602131700.k1DH03uf017137@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <06C0EDEC-9CD1-11DA-B56A-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net> Arnie- I used conventional paint stripper. I put it on and within 5-10 mins (soon as it blistered), wiped it off with a rag and/or a scotchbrite (gently though) on the stubborn spots.. Trick was to go easy and use lots of rags; do not be stingy with the stripper either. I cleaned off any final traces with acetone and let it dry. Then I put on a few light coats of wipe-on semi-gloss polyurethane to prevent rusting. So far it still looks the same after several sweats during temp changes in my shop. The poly keeps those flywheels looking sharp without the oily residue. That 100 year old finish has little organic in it which can be dissolved with the stripper. You can add a bit of pigment to the poly to bring up the original color if there is a really faded area. Hope this helps.... Paul From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Feb 12 13:09:55 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:09:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Manual update Message-ID: <43EFA423.5060102@earthlink.net> Hi all, Sorry folks. I screwed up when I made the PDF. I didn't preserve the aspect ratio when I made the pages. The information is there, but not as it should be. I will correct the problem and upload a new version. Ever get a gut feeling something just isn't quite right? I did last night. I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks to Arnie for telling me. Much appreciated. Jeff -- Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 13 13:02:58 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:02:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <200602140039781.SM01696@new.databak.co.za> Hi Guys, I've just done a few long overdue updates to my webpage - The links are here if you care to look - comments welcome: Please let me know if there are any problems with viewing them - they were written hurriedly with "Netscape Composer" and not checked on other browsers. Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 13 15:56:28 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:56:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <200602140039781.SM01696@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <000301c630f9$1c133a90$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated > Hi Guys, > I've just done a few long overdue updates to my webpage - The > links are here if you care to look - comments welcome: > > Please let me know if there are any problems with viewing them - they were > written hurriedly with "Netscape Composer" and not checked on other browsers. > Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans Hi Jerry, I cannot see the pictures of Geoff Challinor. By the way I have 2 different KY-KO Sterling engines. See http://community.webshots.com/album/24464956NxhhLZMVVa You can see the patents for them as well. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Feb 13 19:59:53 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:59:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <1139805918.43f00edeb6f14@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060212204834.02658f18@mail.alltel.net> <1139805918.43f00edeb6f14@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060213215911.02097df0@herculesengines.com> Sounds like fun. I'll have to see what I can do. Where is it held? Keith At 10:45 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: >Hey Keith, > >You should give some thought to dragging that cider mill east to >Apple & Arts in >October. It would be an AWESOME compliment to the main cider operation and a >real crowd pleaser as well. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Dave Rotigel : > > > >Would you believe that his cider mill is the exact same brand and model > > >mill as my Grandpa's. It will make the rebuilding of the wood frame of > > >the mill much easier. We plan to simultaneously restore both mills. > > >Keith > > > > That's a GREAT project Keith! I'm sure that you will have it ready for > > pressing by the time the apples are ready to be squoze! > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Feb 13 20:21:51 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:21:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <43F0CE58.8050306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001301c6311e$2e9fead0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Your pattern work is looking great, and as usual I have a question or two. Do I need to construct the gate and riser parts on my pattern? Or is this something that Rick will do? Were you able to get the proper board size or did you just wing it. I have been getting a little work done on Falk pattern and core box, I'm not nearly as quick as you but I will get there eventually. Pictures at: http://community.webshots.com/album/547573772SETaSd Dave P.S. Still need to see some pics. of the Alamo engine Dave Otto Boise, Id USA Dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:22 AM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) > Subject: [SEL] Alamo piston pattern update > > Guys, > Over the weekend I wrapped up the pattern portion of the Alamo piston > project. About a week ago I posted pictures of the corebox part of the > project and this post covers the pattern portion. About half way down is > an update marked 2/13/06. Hope you enjoyed these. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Now if Rick can just get the Tod Works Foundry up and going..... :-) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbna > ils.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Feb 13 17:34:42 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:34:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <43F07A77.7020201@snet.net> <001701c630c9$291109a0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <43F133B2.4090201@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, The last link you sent has moved here: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gunning/scrumpy/index.html Very interesting stuff there. Might have to give it a go this fall. Near as I can tell Cider making can be fun. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gunning/scrumpy/ciderong.html Jeff Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Dave, > > You should elaborate on the joys of English cider; especially that > wonderful stuff that gets referred to as Scrumpy or "rat tail" cider. > 8->> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/1/phil.jpg > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gunning/scrumpy.html > > Over here most folks think of apple juice when they hear the word cider. > > See ya, Arnie > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 14 04:40:50 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:40:50 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Advert for truck lift Message-ID: <003901c63163$e44af9c0$0b4c1152@no1> This was sent to me but as I don't live in the USA it isn't much use to me. I just thought it might suit the engine guys over there. See http://www.spitzlift.net/ I have no links to this firm, I just thought it looked useful. Nice little demo film with it. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Feb 14 04:48:02 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:48:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060213215911.02097df0@herculesengines.com> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060212204834.02658f18@mail.alltel.net> <1139805918.43f00edeb6f14@webmail.city-net.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060213215911.02097df0@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith, Apple & Arts is in Delmont, PA in late October. If we're lucky with the scheduling, it is the Saturday & Sunday of the Coolspring Fall Swap. Lots of folks do Coolspring on Thursday / Friday and Apple & Arts on Saturday / Sunday. If the weather is decent, the place is heaving with tourists. Steve Barr and his dad have become regulars. I'll post more info around September / October. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Keith Kinney wrote: > Sounds like fun. I'll have to see what I can do. Where is it held? > Keith > > At 10:45 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: > >You should give some thought to dragging that cider mill east to > >Apple & Arts in > >October. It would be an AWESOME compliment to the main cider operation and a > >real crowd pleaser as well. From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Feb 13 20:19:57 2006 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:19:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engine info Message-ID: <003701c6311d$ec38dd00$0ae0123f@oemcomputer> Hi out there, I am still looking for Kewanee engine, Kewanee engine/pump and Kewanee/generator owners along with pictures, tag data, copies of any lterature and any other Kewanee info. Several people have helped but I am sure that there is more out there. Thanks for any help. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 14 09:37:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:37:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Watch out Steven Porter is on Harry's again. Message-ID: <43F21565.8060704@imc-group.com> Hey lists, I see Stephen Porter of Nova Scotia has reared his cheating, lying, dishonest head on Harry's again. As a courteous reminder we discussed this dirt bag a few years ago on the SEL when he was peddling and misrepresenting items on Harry's. Several spoke up to say they had been burned. Apparently word got out and he ceased for a while. I am posting this to hopefully keep anyone else from getting hosed. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 14 10:15:04 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <20060214.132727.896.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, Very nice site. Easy on the eyes and easy to navigate. Nice Job. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From curt at imc-group.com Tue Feb 14 11:26:35 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:26:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <001201c6311e$2e704f50$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <001201c6311e$2e704f50$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <43F22EEB.9010103@imc-group.com> Dave, Your work on both the pattern and corebox looks great! I am looking forward to seeing how the paper splits on the pattern. I've spot glued mine but have contemplated the paper method. I believe Rick is busier than a 1 armed wallpaper hanger right now and it you want to speed things along, anything you do will help you get your part quicker. The design is fairly straight forward from what I've been able to research. The riser's purpose is to provide molten metal to the casting as it cools and the metal shrinks. On your piston for example, you want to bring metal in at the crown. Once filled the casting should begin to solidify from the skirt moving toward the crown. The riser is attached to the largest section thickness thru a short gate. The gate and riser need to be sized such that they will freeze off last. This ensures molten metal can continue to flow into the crown as the rest of the piston cools and shrinks. Risers are round to minimize surface area. (and also drafted for removal when ramming the pattern) The books tell you the riser's bottom diameter should be 125 to 150% of the thickest cross section. However, I'm making mine 175% based on the advice of an old timer pattern maker. On my pattern the OD is 6" and the crown is 1" in thickness. The gate is 3/4" long and is 1" x 1" in crosssection, half being in the cope side and half being in the drag side. The riser on the cope side is 1 3/4" diameter at the parting board. It drafts 1/4"/ft and is 5" tall. The cope flask is 5" tall so the riser will be open once rammed. The runner from the sprue down button over to the riser is 3/4" x 1". Looking at the Falk drawings of your piston and core there is .570 section thickness in the crown. 1.75 x this is .99 so I would make your riser an inch or maybe even 1 1/4" at the bottom. You can make the short gate 1 x 1 or maybe even 3/4 x 3/4. But bigger is better. For one off parts you really don't care about the waste material in the gate/riser system. You just want to make sure there is enough mass there to assure they freeze off last. Great photo documentation of your project and thanks for posting. Curt P.S. You asked about Alamo pictures.... Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Curt > >Your pattern work is looking great, and as usual I have a question or two. >Do I need to construct the gate and riser parts on my pattern? Or is this >something that Rick will do? Were you able to get the proper board size or >did you just wing it. > >I have been getting a little work done on Falk pattern and core box, I'm not >nearly as quick as you but I will get there eventually. > >Pictures at: >http://community.webshots.com/album/547573772SETaSd > > >Dave > >P.S. Still need to see some pics. of the Alamo engine > >Dave Otto >Boise, Id >USA >Dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine- >>request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt >>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:22 AM >>To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) >>Subject: Alamo piston pattern update >> >>Guys, >>Over the weekend I wrapped up the pattern portion of the Alamo piston >>project. About a week ago I posted pictures of the corebox part of the >>project and this post covers the pattern portion. About half way down is >>an update marked 2/13/06. Hope you enjoyed these. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>P.S. Now if Rick can just get the Tod Works Foundry up and going..... :-) >> >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/AlamoPistonPattern/Thumbna >>ils.html >> >> >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 14 11:53:13 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:53:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <20060214.132727.896.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002601c631a0$4b5492c0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > Hi Jerry, > Very nice site. > Easy on the eyes and easy to navigate. > Nice Job. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Feb 14 12:15:32 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:15:32 EST Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <5b.7a1cbf5c.31239464@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/2006 12:11:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. I am in the same boat. I can't find any pictures. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1139948132 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Feb 14 12:31:05 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:31:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <410-22006221420315515@coastalnet.com> Thumbnails are not there, but here they are: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson4.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson5.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson6.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson7.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson8.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson9.jpg TAke care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Dave Croft > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/14/2006 2:53:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > > Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm > I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Feb 14 12:35:37 2006 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:35:37 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <002601c631a0$4b5492c0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <025901c631a6$36d1d050$8335c53e@doc> I can't see 'em either, Dave. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Croft > Sent: 14 February 2006 19:53 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > > > > Hi Jerry, > > Very nice site. > > Easy on the eyes and easy to navigate. > > Nice Job. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm > I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 14 13:08:24 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:08:24 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <410-22006221420315515@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <000901c631aa$cc699270$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > Thumbnails are not there, but here they are: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson3.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson4.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson5.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson6.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson7.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson8.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson9.jpg > Take care. Ken Thanks Ken. Geoff is an old friend of mine. I didn't want to miss the pictures. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Feb 14 13:08:26 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:08:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <200602141700.k1EH03t0011544@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060214230245.00a929a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:56:28 -0000 >From: "Dave Croft" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Evans" > > Hi Guys, > > I've just done a few long overdue updates to my webpage - The > > links are here if you care to look - comments welcome: > > > > Please let me know if there are any problems with viewing them - they were > > written hurriedly with "Netscape Composer" and not checked on other > browsers. > >> Jerry Evans > >Hi Jerry, I cannot see the pictures of Geoff Challinor. >Dave Croft Thanks Dave, They should be working now - seems Internet Explorer is not as forgiving as Netscape for coding errors. I've looked at your KyKo fans previously - any idea of the value of the one on my page? Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 14 14:45:18 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:45:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060214230245.00a929a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00e601c631b8$56080ef0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It would fetch around two grand US$ Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > >> >>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:56:28 -0000 >>From: "Dave Croft" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jerry Evans" >> > Hi Guys, >> > I've just done a few long overdue updates to my webpage - The >> > links are here if you care to look - comments welcome: >> > >> > Please let me know if there are any problems with viewing them - they >> > were >> > written hurriedly with "Netscape Composer" and not checked on other >> browsers. >> >> Jerry Evans >> >>Hi Jerry, I cannot see the pictures of Geoff Challinor. >>Dave Croft > > Thanks Dave, > They should be working now - seems Internet Explorer is not as > forgiving as Netscape for coding errors. > I've looked at your KyKo fans previously - any idea of the value > of the one on my page? > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > AND REMEMBER ------ > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 14 15:40:47 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:40:47 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060214230245.00a929a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <001101c631c0$161effd0$0b4c1152@no1> Sorry Jerry, It still doesn't work. The others do work OK. I am out of date on the hot Air engine prices unfortunately. I have owned mine for a long while & haven't been offered any new ones. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > >> >>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:56:28 -0000 >>From: "Dave Croft" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jerry Evans" >> > Hi Guys, >> > I've just done a few long overdue updates to my webpage - The >> > links are here if you care to look - comments welcome: >> > >> > Please let me know if there are any problems with viewing them - they were >> > written hurriedly with "Netscape Composer" and not checked on other >> browsers. >> >> Jerry Evans >> >>Hi Jerry, I cannot see the pictures of Geoff Challinor. >>Dave Croft > > Thanks Dave, > They should be working now - seems Internet Explorer is not as > forgiving as Netscape for coding errors. > I've looked at your KyKo fans previously - any idea of the value > of the one on my page? > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > AND REMEMBER ------ > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oiseming at moscow.com Tue Feb 14 17:14:51 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:14:51 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Philips engine, was Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <001101c631c0$161effd0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200602150115.k1F1F3Dr088401@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated Sorry Jerry, It still doesn't work. The others do work OK. I am out of date on the hot Air engine prices unfortunately. I have owned mine for a long while & haven't been offered any new ones. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~ Dave -- I see you've posted pictures of a Philips engine/generator set on your site. If I remember correctly, you once said you had owned one of them. I've seen them "in the flesh," but have never seen one run. Did you ever start yours up and run it? Just curious, that's all. I was wondering what they were like. Fussy? Easy to run? Quiet? Etc. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Feb 14 17:55:42 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:55:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <20060214.205932.976.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm = = = = Hi Dave, They are working here. Both Thumbnails - and - JPEGs Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 14 18:05:42 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:05:42 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update Message-ID: <18786445.1139969142673.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> ---- Curt wrote: . The riser's purpose is to provide molten metal to > the casting as it cools and the metal shrinks. On your piston for > example, you want to bring metal in at the crown. Once filled the > casting should begin to solidify from the skirt moving toward the crown. > The riser is attached to the largest section thickness thru a short > gate. The gate and riser need to be sized such that they will freeze off > last. This ensures molten metal can continue to flow into the crown as > the rest of the piston cools and shrinks. Curt, have you had any problems with shrinkage in the pin boss area? I made a pattern and had some pistons cast, we had to add risers to supply the pin boss, the first one sunk in on both sides of the piston at the boss. J.B. Castagnos From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Feb 14 18:09:43 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:09:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <20060214.205932.976.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004701c631d4$e29aa050$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Sure can. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm > > = = = = > Hi Dave, > They are working here. > Both Thumbnails - and - JPEGs > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 14 18:28:23 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:28:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <20060214.205932.976.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: No problem here...using msn 9 RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm > > = = = = > Hi Dave, > They are working here. > Both Thumbnails - and - JPEGs > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 14 18:49:48 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:49:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cider mill In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <20060215024947.ZWYF14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Happy Birthday Keith. The cider mill is a great pickup especially with the family connection. It will make a nice piece when restored. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From skipl130 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 14 18:51:41 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:51:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engine info In-Reply-To: <003701c6311d$ec38dd00$0ae0123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060215025141.83459.qmail@web35313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi glenn, i have a couple pages on kewanee, i'll look them up when i get a chance. skip Glenn A Karch wrote: Hi out there, I am still looking for Kewanee engine, Kewanee engine/pump and Kewanee/generator owners along with pictures, tag data, copies of any lterature and any other Kewanee info. Several people have helped but I am sure that there is more out there. Thanks for any help. Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-332655759-1139971901=:83428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi glenn, i have a couple pages on kewanee, i'll look them up when i get a chance. skip

Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:

Hi out there,

I am still looking for Kewanee engine, Kewanee engine/pump and
Kewanee/generator owners along with pictures, tag data, copies of any
lterature and any other Kewanee info. Several people have helped but I am
sure that there is more out there.
Thanks for any help.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

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Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! From dotto at velocitus.net Tue Feb 14 19:46:52 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:46:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <43F22EEB.9010103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Thanks for the gate and riser tutorial; A couple more questions, the part called the sprue down button is located on the cope side of parting board, correct? What is its purpose? Will this be opened up to create the opening to pour into? >The riser on the cope side is 1 3/4" diameter at the parting board. Don't you mean drag side? The cope side is 5" or am I missing something here? I'm still waiting to find out what size to make the parting board? What size did you settle on? I will let you know how the pattern splitting operation works out. I'm going to wait until I'm ready to mount it on the board to lessen the chance of warping or splitting of the wood. It is nice and dry but you never know. The Alamo is a way cool engine; it looks like a heavy beast for the horsepower. The vertical flyball governor is also a nice feature. Do you have all the parts or will there be more pattern making and casting work? Regards, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Id USA Dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Feb 14 21:16:45 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:16:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <20060214.205932.976.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000601c631ef$048b9880$cb978a41@lyle0592c054dd> Yes I can see the pictures without any problems. Lyle Myles McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:56 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm = = = = Hi Dave, They are working here. Both Thumbnails - and - JPEGs Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Feb 14 21:37:06 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:37:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Glenn....end of an era. In-Reply-To: <43F22EEB.9010103@imc-group.com> References: <001201c6311e$2e704f50$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <43F22EEB.9010103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060214232200.00e513b0@herculesengines.com> Say it ain't true! I received my March issue of GEM today. I started thumbing through it like I always do from the back to the front. I was looking to see what Glenn had wrote about in his Hercules Engine News column. I got about to the front and hadn't seen it. I thought I must have missed it until I got to the inside cover. There was Glenn's picture and an announcement that Glenn was retiring the series. I would like to personally thank Glenn for all his hard work and dedication in researching and recording his knowledge for all us engine collectors. Wether you have a Hercules built engine or not we have all benefited from his efforts. So thank you Glenn, you deserve a rest but we'll miss your column. Keith PS. I'm looking forward to hearing about your Kewanee research. Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana www.herculesengines.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Feb 14 21:19:00 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:19:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer Message-ID: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! Jeff -- Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Feb 15 03:12:23 2006 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:12:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43F30C97.2000908@wightman.ca> Oh oh. I saw this on the tractor list a few weeks ago and it wasn't pretty. Should I just forward that message that I still have Spencer? Or do you want to compose a variation? :-) Remember that this service is free Jeff and done out of the goodness of someone else's efforts Duncan Jeff Allen wrote: > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, > 48 hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members > and this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with > this? Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 15 02:40:30 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:40:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001801c6321c$41621d60$fdc831cb@ogborneuah38i3> One can only hope that this eventuates! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 > hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and > this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? > Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > > -- > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado, USA > transteck at earthlink.net > http://frapa.us/ > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Feb 12 18:47:45 2006 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <43EFF351.1070002@earthlink.net> Hi Keith, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Sounds like you had a good one. Thanks for sharing the cider mill story. Jeff Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Feb 15 06:12:37 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:12:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <001801c6321c$41621d60$fdc831cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> Ok Peter what is eventuates. My on board computer[brain] does not compute it???????? At 06:40 PM 2/15/2006 +0800, you wrote: >One can only hope that this eventuates! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Feb 15 03:16:52 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:16:52 +1100 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060215111648.FHZA19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out! It is pretty rich to complain about a service which costs nothing and done by the effort of people not expecting any return except maybe the occasional thanks. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! Jeff -- Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado, USA transteck at earthlink.net http://frapa.us/ http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 15 03:26:59 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:26:59 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Philips engine, was Webpage updated References: <200602150115.k1F1F3Dr088401@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001501c63222$bfdbfca0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Philips engine, was Webpage updated > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:41 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > > Dave -- > I see you've posted pictures of a Philips engine/generator set on your site. > If I remember correctly, you once said you had owned one of them. > I've seen them "in the flesh," but have never seen one run. Did you ever > start yours up and run it? > Just curious, that's all. I was wondering what they were like. Fussy? > Easy to run? Quiet? Etc. > Best regards, Orrin Hi Orrin,Yes I did own the one you see in the pictures at http://community.webshots.com/album/24464956NxhhLZMVVa/2 I have copied the manual at http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/MP1002CA.pdf The reason I eventually sold it after about 2 years was that it didn't run well at all. Just short runs every now & then and never fast enough to generate. When the Swede offered me what I thought was a good price I sold it. Given the current prices I wish I hadn't. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 15 03:29:42 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:29:42 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <000601c631ef$048b9880$cb978a41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <001f01c63223$1ecc56b0$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Webpage updated > Yes I can see the pictures without any problems. > Lyle Myles > McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of > America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office > chair. > . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at earthlink.net Thanks Lyle, Jerry seems to have sorted it out now. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bmvid at snet.net Wed Feb 15 03:56:10 2006 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:56:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <20060214.205932.976.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060214.205932.976.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <43F316DA.6060105@snet.net> Working fine for me. I'm using Moxilla 1.7.3 Mick DeMaria jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm > > = = = = > Hi Dave, > They are working here. > Both Thumbnails - and - JPEGs > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Feb 15 04:10:28 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:10:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43F31A34.2060106@steamengine.com.au> Hi Jeff... not wanting to put words in Spencer's mouth - but speaking as someone who runs a list server, there is nothing quite like the fun of running a server for the gratification of people you've never met only to be abused by one of them. The ATIS lists (like those I host) cost the subscriber nothing. They dredge dollars out of the hosts pocket. I run lists because I learn about subjects that interest me and as a public service - Spencer is similar in this respect. It is nice to get the occasional thanks message - but just one abusive message can kill off twenty good ones. If you have some drama with the way Spencer runs the lists, then why not contact him directly and talk to him about it instead of blasting the poor guy publicly. Great way to make friends mate! Regards Paul Jeff Allen wrote: > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 > hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and > this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? > Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 15 04:52:45 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:52:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> "Eventually actually happens" or "becomes a reality", etc. SPENCER - as one who has run web sites and boards in the past, a BIG THANK YOU for DONATING your TIME and MONEY to a bunch of greasy, rusty goofs you have never met. How many would do this? Where else can you learn about engines that are so unique and rare? Where else can you in a heart-beat find a source for very hard-to-find hardware to reassemble that 1 only 20 made 1907 whatever? (OK, I know, Harry's site, but that's different) I hate spam filters, I hate the way they have to work, I hate the practice of blacklisting all because one abuses a system, and I HATE SPAM, but what else is there with our very technology savvy congress enabling the spammers and phishers with their so well-thought-out laws? Anyone have an alternative they can suggest to Spencer? I didn't think so................ :-) Bill Runnells, Iowa > Ok Peter what is eventuates. My on board computer[brain] does not compute > it???????? > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 15 05:05:30 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:05:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <43F326DB.2020303@imc-group.com> References: <18786445.1139969142673.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> <43F326DB.2020303@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43F3271A.20503@imc-group.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: > >> ---- Curt wrote: >> . The riser's purpose is to provide molten metal to >> >>> the casting as it cools and the metal shrinks. On your piston for >>> example, you want to bring metal in at the crown. Once filled the >>> casting should begin to solidify from the skirt moving toward the >>> crown. The riser is attached to the largest section thickness thru a >>> short gate. The gate and riser need to be sized such that they will >>> freeze off last. This ensures molten metal can continue to flow into >>> the crown as the rest of the piston cools and shrinks. >>> >> >> >> Curt, have you had any problems with shrinkage in the pin boss area? >> I made a pattern and had some pistons cast, we had to add risers to >> supply the pin boss, the first one sunk in on both sides of the >> piston at the boss. J.B. Castagnos >> >> >> > JB, > So far no troubles with this. But there may be a reason now that I > think about it. In the core box photos you will see that there is a > rib that runs under the crown of the piston and then down each side of > the piston connecting to the boss area. I always thought this was a > strengthening rib and admittedly I also thought it was overkill. But > since you mention the shrinkage problem perhaps it has more to do with > assuring a path for molten metal to continue feeding the boss areas > while cooling. > So far all of the piston patterns I've made have this rib going under > the crown and connecting to the bosses. However, over the weekend I > started on a pattern to make pistons for the 3HP Herc/Jaeger/Economy > engines and that piston has the rib under the crown, but it does not > have the rib extending down toward the bosses. I am planning on > duplicating this exactly as Hercules did and will certainly let you > know if this results in a shrinkage problem at the bosses. Very > interesting thought you have brought up! > Curt > > > > >> >> >> >> > > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 15 05:30:42 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:30:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Forum for Machinists and Mechanical Types References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> <2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002801c63234$0542cd30$0b151941@pengy> For several months now I've been a member of the Practical Machinists forum. I found that the level of intelligence and discussions among the members to be very good, and is a wealth of knowlege. Take a minute to explore the machinists forum. Its not just for machinists but anyone with a mechanical inclination. Hell I am in no way a machinist but we've had some interesting discussions about foundry work. Not much engine discussion per se butits a great resource if you should have questions about certain phases of engine restoration. http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Wed Feb 15 06:10:48 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:10:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001c63239$9f289740$111f7546@mycomputer> grumble grumble grumble..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 > hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and > this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? > Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > > -- > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado, USA > transteck at earthlink.net > http://frapa.us/ > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Feb 15 06:59:34 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (dotto at velocitus.net) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:59:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] Forum for Machinists and Mechanical Types In-Reply-To: <002801c63234$0542cd30$0b151941@pengy> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> <2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002801c63234$0542cd30$0b151941@pengy> Message-ID: <56890.156.153.255.243.1140015574.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> Hi Rick I check this one several times a week; I agree it is an active site with lots of good info. and little bickering. How about a Tod Engine Works Foundry update?? Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho dotto at velocitus.net > For several months now I've been a member of the Practical Machinists > forum. I found that the level of intelligence and discussions among the > members to be very good, and is a wealth of knowlege. > > Take a minute to explore the machinists forum. Its not just for > machinists but anyone with a mechanical inclination. Hell I am in no > way a machinist but we've had some interesting discussions about > foundry work. Not much engine discussion per se butits a great > resource if you should have questions about certain phases of engine > restoration. > > http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron > and nonferrous castings > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > Fax 330-759-1524 > www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Feb 15 07:07:17 2006 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:07:17 EST Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer Message-ID: <12a.6e84ede9.31249da5@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/2006 10:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: > Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? > Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > Now Jeff, I seldom post to this list because I don't feel my scope of knowledge measures up o the level of most of the folks here. I just mostly listen and try to Improve that level. I say thanks to Spencer for allowing me to do that at no cost to me! Having said that....I think you should go quail hunting with Vice President Cheney! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= --part1_12a.6e84ede9.31249da5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 2/14/2006 10:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, transteck at earthlink= .net writes:

Your "secure"
auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this?
Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!!

Jeff

Now Jeff, I seldom post to this list because I don't feel my scope of knowle= dge measures up o the level of most of the folks here. I just mostly l= isten and try to Improve that level. I say thanks to Spencer for allow= ing me to do that at no cost to me! Having said that....I think you should g= o quail hunting with Vice President Cheney!

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= amp;pw=3D From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 15 07:23:42 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Forum for Machinists now Foundry Update References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> <2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002801c63234$0542cd30$0b151941@pengy> <56890.156.153.255.243.1140015574.squirrel@webmail.rmci.net> Message-ID: <002001c63243$cea6bfb0$0b151941@pengy> Foundry Update: I test ran the induction furnace last week with good results. Everything worked fine and I feel that it will be a good melter. Then I had to tear it back apart to change out the two MG set bearings. When I spun the rotor by hand I heard a faint tick tick tick. Being that the machine is 1965 vintage and running at 3500 rpm plus the fact that I couldn't replace it made me decide to change out the bearings. I odered the replacements last week and they finally came in yesterday so in about a half hour I'll be down there putting them in. So its getting real close! Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron and nonferrous castings 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 Fax 330-759-1524 www.todengine.org/engineworks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Forum for Machinists and Mechanical Types > Hi Rick > > I check this one several times a week; I agree it is an active site with > lots of good info. and little bickering. > > How about a Tod Engine Works Foundry update?? > > Dave > > > > Dave Otto > Boise, Idaho > dotto at velocitus.net > > > > > > >> For several months now I've been a member of the Practical Machinists >> forum. I found that the level of intelligence and discussions among the >> members to be very good, and is a wealth of knowlege. >> >> Take a minute to explore the machinists forum. Its not just for >> machinists but anyone with a mechanical inclination. Hell I am in no >> way a machinist but we've had some interesting discussions about >> foundry work. Not much engine discussion per se butits a great >> resource if you should have questions about certain phases of engine >> restoration. >> >> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron >> and nonferrous castings >> 2261 Hubbard Road >> Youngstown, OH 44505 >> 330-728-2799 >> Fax 330-759-1524 >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Feb 15 07:43:09 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:43:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> <2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> I rarely post a message because my knowledge pales to most of you die hard engine guys. I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one will not overshadow the joy of many. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > > "Eventually actually happens" or "becomes a reality", etc. > > SPENCER - as one who has run web sites and boards in the past, a BIG THANK > YOU for DONATING your TIME and MONEY to a bunch of greasy, rusty goofs you > have never met. > > How many would do this? > > Where else can you learn about engines that are so unique and rare? > Where else can you in a heart-beat find a source for very hard-to-find > hardware to reassemble that 1 only 20 made 1907 whatever? > (OK, I know, Harry's site, but that's different) > > I hate spam filters, I hate the way they have to work, I hate the practice > of blacklisting all because one abuses a system, and I HATE SPAM, but > what else is there with our very technology savvy congress enabling the > spammers and phishers with their so well-thought-out laws? > Anyone have an alternative they can suggest to Spencer? > I didn't think so................ :-) > > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa > >> Ok Peter what is eventuates. My on board computer[brain] does not compute >> it???????? >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MBellar at aol.com Wed Feb 15 07:42:30 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:42:30 EST Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer Message-ID: <7b.551aaae1.3124a5e6@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/2006 6:10:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 > hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and > this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? > Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! Dear Gone; If you have a problem help resolve it! You come across as a full time welfare recipient. Tom -------------------------------1140018150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 15 08:05:01 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:05:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <12a.6e84ede9.31249da5@aol.com> References: <12a.6e84ede9.31249da5@aol.com> Message-ID: <43F3512D.4080805@imc-group.com> Wink, If Jeff is to be believed, he is gone. Maybe cc:ing him is appropriate. I did it for you in this reply. Curt P.S. Funny line you came up with! "I think you should go quail hunting with Vice President Cheney!" WinkAndGinger at aol.com wrote: >>Your "secure" >>auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? >>Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! >> >>Jeff >> >> >> >Now Jeff, I seldom post to this list because I don't feel my scope of >knowledge measures up o the level of most of the folks here. I just mostly listen >and try to Improve that level. I say thanks to Spencer for allowing me to do >that at no cost to me! Having said that....I think you should go quail hunting >with Vice President Cheney! > >Wink & Ginger Thornton, >Yucca Valley Ca., USA >KG6TVW, KG6TVV >The older the violin....the sweeter the music! >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= > >--part1_12a.6e84ede9.31249da5_boundary >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >In a me= >ssage dated 2/14/2006 10:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, transteck at earthlink= >.net writes:
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>Now Jeff, I seldom post to this list because I don't feel my scope of knowle= >dge measures up o the level of most of the folks here. I just mostly l= >isten and try to Improve that level. I say thanks to Spencer for allow= >ing me to do that at no cost to me! Having said that....I think you should g= >o quail hunting with Vice President Cheney!
>
>Wink & Ginger Thornton,
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>KG6TVW, KG6TVV
>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= >amp;pw=3D >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 15 07:45:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:45:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Thank you Glenn....end of an era. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060214232200.00e513b0@herculesengines.com> References: <001201c6311e$2e704f50$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <43F22EEB.9010103@imc-group.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060214232200.00e513b0@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Hi Glenn, I'd like to add my kudos; when it comes to the Hercules line, "You Da Man!!" Thanks for all the years of interesting columns (and I don't even own a Herc). I'll bet that it's a relief not to have to worry about the deadline for each month's column. BUT, I hope you will still do the occasional piece for GEM as inspiration strikes. AND (I've said this before) I REALLY hope that you'll put together a collection of all of the Hercules columns that you've written and sell that as a book. That, sir, would be one more great contribution to the hobby. See ya, Arnie PS - So are ya now gonna do a series on Atlas & Kewanee? 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Keith Kinney wrote: > Say it ain't true! I received my March issue of GEM today. I > started thumbing through it like I always do from the back to the > front. I was looking to see what Glenn had wrote about in his > Hercules Engine News column. I got about to the front and hadn't > seen it. I thought I must have missed it until I got to the inside > cover. There was Glenn's picture and an announcement that Glenn was > retiring the series. > I would like to personally thank Glenn for all his hard work and > dedication in researching and recording his knowledge for all us > engine collectors. Wether you have a Hercules built engine or not we > have all benefited from his efforts. So thank you Glenn, you deserve > a rest but we'll miss your column. From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 15 08:15:21 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?U3BhbS9QaGlzaD4gUmU6IFtTRUxdIEdldCBpdA==?= =?iso-8859-1?B?IHRvZ2V0aGVyIFNwZW5jZXI=?= In-Reply-To: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060215161521.60186.qmail@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Jeff Allen wrote: They are nothing but a pain in the ass > to list members and > this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Call me gone!! > > Jeff Hello Jeff, Well, it has been a wee bit since your last temper tantrum and this time you outdid yourself with a full blown conniption. There are a variety of medications available to help you control your fits of temper; valium, ritalin,prozac, or my favorite.... arsenic. Careful with the door on your way out, Aenus McShite ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 15 08:23:42 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:23:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43F3558E.9090102@imc-group.com> Jeff Allen wrote: > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, > 48 hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members > and this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with > this? Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff Jeff, Early this morning I read your post several time trying to figure if you were being funny in some sadistic manner or pulling a fast one on us. I gather from the rest of the replies no one else sees the humor either, so I guess your bitch is real. Dude what gives? Are you off you meds? As nearly everyone has said, this is a free service and we all deserve Spenc a serious debt of gratitude for tolerating this group for doG knows how many years. It's a good thing he has a thick skin for if I was in his shoes I'd be tempted to turn the damned server off after a few outbursts like yours. Perhaps it is not so much thick skin as it is a much a much better developed maturity than you seem willing to represent yourself with on this list. I've commented in the past on some of your outbursts directed at your club and its' members. I even suggested you find a new club since the one you are participating in seems to agitate you so much. And now this???!!! Me thinks you need to learn some manners! As the old saying goes "your mama taught you better". We've all experienced long delays with posts on occasion. Some of my replies take 6 hours to post. I've even had my ISP research where the delay occurs. I don't even recall the source of the delay because it couldn't be corrected. But if it were with Spenc's server I sure as hell wouldn't bite that hand! Again, Spencer is doing us a great service. Literally most of us would have never met had it not been for the service he has provided free of charge to all of us. Regardless of your experience, you should be thanking him not criticizing him. I believe you own the fellow and this list an apology! Regards, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 15 08:51:40 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:51:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <12a.6e84ede9.31249da5@aol.com> References: <12a.6e84ede9.31249da5@aol.com> Message-ID: <4236.165.206.180.19.1140022300.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Sorry, ol' Dick ain't that good, remember, he almost missed! Just joking! Sorry! Bill > In a message dated 2/14/2006 10:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > transteck at earthlink.net writes: > > >> Your "secure" >> auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? >> Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! >> >> Jeff >> > > Now Jeff, I seldom post to this list because I don't feel my scope of > knowledge measures up o the level of most of the folks here. I just > mostly listen > and try to Improve that level. I say thanks to Spencer for allowing me to > do > that at no cost to me! Having said that....I think you should go quail > hunting > with Vice President Cheney! > > Wink & Ginger Thornton, > Yucca Valley Ca., USA > KG6TVW, KG6TVV > The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= > > --part1_12a.6e84ede9.31249da5_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > In a > me= > ssage dated 2/14/2006 10:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > transteck at earthlink= > .net writes:
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> auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? >
> Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!!
>
> Jeff
>

>
> Now Jeff, I seldom post to this list because I don't feel my scope of > knowle= > dge measures up o the level of most of the folks here. I just mostly > l= > isten and try to Improve that level. I say thanks to Spencer for > allow= > ing me to do that at no cost to me! Having said that....I think you should > g= > o quail hunting with Vice President Cheney!
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> Wink & Ginger Thornton,
> Yucca Valley Ca., USA
> KG6TVW, KG6TVV
> The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D4114826&a=3D30951078&= > amp;pw=3D > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Feb 15 08:40:46 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:40:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Thank you Glenn....end of an era. Message-ID: <20060215.120542.924.0.jlb94@juno.com> Say it ain't true ?? I haven't gotten my March issue yet but I will surely miss Glenn's column. I look forward to reading it each & every month. Thanks Glenn, for your services. I will miss it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Feb 15 08:44:15 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:44:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer Message-ID: <20060215.120542.924.1.jlb94@juno.com> What is Jeff griping about ??? I've had NO PROBLEMS with the SEL list. I believe Spencer does a fantastic job. Many times I receive a post I just sent - when I go to "Get Mail". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Feb 15 09:25:41 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:25:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <43F3558E.9090102@imc-group.com> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <43F3558E.9090102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43F36415.4010001@insulate.co.uk> Maybe modern technology is making some of us a teeny bit impatient ... Delays of 6 hours? 24 hours? Er ... remember how we USED to get information? Letters to magazines, waiting weeks and months for responses to appear in print? Waiting until next show season to hopefully see a friend of a friend who USED to have one of those engines? As others have said, THANK YOU SPENCER, for all that you do to keep this group going. There are life-long, world wide friendships created and maintained through this list and for that most of us are VERY grateful. Also, as others have said, just mind that door on your way out. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Feb 15 04:12:30 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:12:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060215071111.02591ed8@mail.alltel.net> At 12:19 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 >hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list before. >In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called spam >filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and this >IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" auction site >was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? Not worth the >trouble for me. Call me gone!! >Jeff Hi Jeff, Don't let the door hit you in the ass! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 14 07:56:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:56:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Happy Birthday Patrick - Cider mill In-Reply-To: References: <20060212110551.KUPA10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <7.0.1.0.2.20060212185429.020c2e68@herculesengines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060212204834.02658f18@mail.alltel.net> <1139805918.43f00edeb6f14@webmail.city-net.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060213215911.02097df0@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060214105345.0d6dfe20@mail.alltel.net> Apple 'n Arts this year will be October 7th and 8th. In the past it was held the third weekend in October, but has been moved in order to try and "find" some better (ie warmer) weather. Dave At 07:48 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: >Hi Keith, > >Apple & Arts is in Delmont, PA in late October. If we're lucky with the >scheduling, it is the Saturday & Sunday of the Coolspring Fall Swap. Lots >of folks do Coolspring on Thursday / Friday and Apple & Arts on Saturday / >Sunday. If the weather is decent, the place is heaving with tourists. > >Steve Barr and his dad have become regulars. I'll post more info around >September / October. > >See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Keith Kinney wrote: > > > Sounds like fun. I'll have to see what I can do. Where is it held? > > Keith > > > > At 10:45 PM 2/12/2006, you wrote: > > >You should give some thought to dragging that cider mill east to > > >Apple & Arts in > > >October. It would be an AWESOME compliment to the main cider > operation and a > > >real crowd pleaser as well. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Feb 14 12:13:39 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:13:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <002601c631a0$4b5492c0$0b4c1152@no1> References: <20060214.132727.896.1.jlb94@juno.com> <002601c631a0$4b5492c0$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060214151317.0d6dfe20@mail.alltel.net> >Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at >http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm >I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. >Dave Croft Same here Dave! Dave From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 15 11:28:28 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:28:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <43F380DC.4010502@imc-group.com> Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Curt > >Thanks for the gate and riser tutorial; A couple more questions, the part >called the sprue down button is located on the cope side of parting board, >correct? What is its purpose? Will this be opened up to create the opening >to pour into? > > Dave, This is one of the items I add because the books and the old foundry man tells me I should. Truthfully I really don't understand why one can't just pour direct in the riser which is open on top. Maybe Rick can elaborate. I know one of the small Stickney patterns I made last year has a simple riser and gate and the pour is straight into the riser. The local foundry instructed me to do it that way. Maybe this only works on small parts..... Once rammed I understand the proceedure is to carve out a funnel in the green sand just over this button and to punch a small diameter sprue straight down into the top of this button. The metal then flows across to the riser, thru the gate, and into the mold. >>The riser on the cope side is 1 3/4" diameter at the parting board. >> >> > >Don't you mean drag side? The cope side is 5" or am I missing something >here? > > I meant the cope side. Yes the cope side of this flask is 5" tall. Incidentally the drag side is 4" tall on this flask set. So the riser is 1.75" where it hooks on the top of the parting board and tapers to a smaller diameter in its' 5" height. The taper is roughly a 1/4"/ft. taper. >I'm still waiting to find out what size to make the parting board? What size >did you settle on? > > The board wound up being 32 x 12 I think! Huge board and way overkill for your Falk piston. I have offered to put the flask dimensions on CAD and these drawings could be on the Tod Works site for reference. I'm supposed to get flask dims for this Herc pattern I'm working on now and since your Falk pattern is only about 2" longer maybe this same flask will work for it. If so I'll email you the drawing of it today. >I will let you know how the pattern splitting operation works out. I'm going >to wait until I'm ready to mount it on the board to lessen the chance of >warping or splitting of the wood. It is nice and dry but you never know. > Hey I noticed you chucked one end of your block in a 4 jaw chuck. How did you assure that the center of rotation was dead on the parting centerline? I gave up having sucess and ultimately made a tool that the 3 jaw chuck could hold and this tool is screwed to the end of the block right on centerline. Even so, with the new tool I was off about .030 on this last pattern (the Herc) I made over the weekend. I am going to have to mill a little off one side and build up a little on the other to compensate. Obviously I've still got work to do making a better tool. > > >The Alamo is a way cool engine; it looks like a heavy beast for the >horsepower. > Oh goodness it is a heavy beast! I will HAVE to put it on wheels despite it originally being a skid mount. I simply have no way to move it around otherwise. Hopefully all that mass will make a slow smooth running engine. I have yet to see one at a show so have no clue how they run.... > The vertical flyball governor is also a nice feature. > Yes the 3 ball vertical governor and the walking beam that operates the exhaust valve, ignitor, and fuel saver are the neat features of this engine. > Do you >have all the parts or will there be more pattern making and casting work? > > The engine was missing only 1 part, the latchout arm. With pictures Edd Payne in Oz sent I was able to make a pattern and Rick cast it. That was a tricky bit of machining, but it has been done several months now. I am now waiting on a time slot with a local machineshop to bore the cylinder on a Cinn Milcron horizontal boring mill to clean up the cylinder. After that the fixture to pour the mains can be inserted in the clean and straight bore and the mains poured. Once Rick casts the new piston I can machine that and it will be assembly time. I've already rebuilt everything else like valve cages, made oversize valve stems, rebuild the water pump, made all new screws and studs, bushed and bored the conn. rod, etc. I'm kind of at a standstill 'till I get the boring work done. See ya, Curt >Regards, > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Id >USA >Dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Feb 15 11:45:31 2006 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:45:31 EST Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <77.5599a026.3124dedb@aol.com> Dave and Dave, The Pictures come up fine for me. See'ya, Bill Miller. -------------------------------1140032731 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave and Dave,

The Pictures come up fine for me.

See'ya,

Bill Miller.

From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Feb 15 11:59:12 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:59:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060214151317.0d6dfe20@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060214.132727.896.1.jlb94@juno.com> <002601c631a0$4b5492c0$0b4c1152@no1> <6.1.2.0.0.20060214151317.0d6dfe20@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <43F38810.905@scrtc.com> Dave, I was able to access it with both IE and Netscape. You must have bugs in your 'puter. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >> Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm >> I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. >> Dave Croft > > > Same here Dave! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 15 12:10:12 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:10:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <00e001c6326b$d4ce30d0$230110ac@PAUL> Heck Mike you could not run me off the list with a 155 MM Mountain Howitzer, too much knowledge, help, and friendship which cannot be found anywhere else. I shutter to think what would happen to all of us if we lost Spencer. I for one take Spencer for granted and I am sorry to say that but, Spencer, my friend, we love you, need you and most of all appreciate more than you will ever know all that you do for us iron heads. Thanks seems so small for such a large job done so well. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer >I rarely post a message because my knowledge pales to most of you die hard >engine guys. I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this >forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and >enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one >will not overshadow the joy of many. > > Mike Royster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:52 AM > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 15 12:17:48 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:17:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated References: <20060214.132727.896.1.jlb94@juno.com> <002601c631a0$4b5492c0$0b4c1152@no1><6.1.2.0.0.20060214151317.0d6dfe20@mail.alltel.net> <43F38810.905@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <013f01c6326c$e4e90110$230110ac@PAUL> No problem here either, the pictures come in bright and clear and are beautiful. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > Dave, > I was able to access it with both IE and Netscape. You must have bugs > in your 'puter. > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 15 12:48:29 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:48:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A few flask dimensions for Tod Works Foundry In-Reply-To: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <43F3939D.1090703@imc-group.com> Dave, As promised earlier here are 3 flask sizes/drawings for parts cast by TWF. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/RicksFlasks/18 x 12.bmp http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/RicksFlasks/20 x 12.bmp http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/RicksFlasks/24 x 10.bmp Since your pattern is 13" long I would think that the 20 x 12 would be the best choice. You'll offset the pattern leaving more room on the crown side providing room for the riser, gate, and down sprue. Hot metal should be no closer than 1 1/2" from the inside flask dimensions. Rick will eventually proof and move these sketches over to his website for easier access. Curt From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 15 12:47:22 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:47:22 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <019501c63271$538ab3d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ya said that well mate. Echoes the thoughts of almost all of us. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer >I rarely post a message because my knowledge pales to most of you die hard >engine guys. I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this >forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and >enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one >will not overshadow the joy of many. > > Mike Royster From curt at imc-group.com Wed Feb 15 12:51:58 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:51:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: A few flask dimensions for Tod Works Foundry In-Reply-To: <43F3939D.1090703@imc-group.com> References: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <43F3939D.1090703@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43F3946E.30007@imc-group.com> Well I don't know why those didn't hyperlink correct?? Try this Hope this works, Curt > Dave, > As promised earlier here are 3 flask sizes/drawings for parts cast by > TWF. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/RicksFlasks/18 x 12.bmp > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/RicksFlasks/20 x 12.bmp > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/RicksFlasks/24 x 10.bmp > > Since your pattern is 13" long I would think that the 20 x 12 would be > the best choice. You'll offset the pattern leaving more room on the > crown side providing room for the riser, gate, and down sprue. Hot > metal should be no closer than 1 1/2" from the inside flask dimensions. > > Rick will eventually proof and move these sketches over to his website > for easier access. > Curt > From rex002 at centurytel.net Wed Feb 15 14:24:34 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:24:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> <019501c63271$538ab3d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <000e01c6327e$9a544580$0501a8c0@home> Hey Spencer ! Thanks for maintaining this list , it must be time comsuming and at times fustrating . Please don't let this influnce you in any way , SEL is kick ass and I read every post , what a bunch great people who are helpful and wise when it comes to someone needing advise, if it takes 24 hours to get a post up so be it . Keep up the great job and thanks again for your time and care.. REX ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > Ya said that well mate. Echoes the thoughts of almost all of us. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:43 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > > > >I rarely post a message because my knowledge pales to most of you die hard > >engine guys. I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this > >forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and > >enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one > >will not overshadow the joy of many. > > > > Mike Royster > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Wed Feb 15 14:31:34 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:31:34 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Novo References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> <00e001c6326b$d4ce30d0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <038201c6327f$9381cab0$6501a8c0@Shop> 1 1/2 hp model S. How does one check or change the oil? Ain't no plugs nowhere...... Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 15 14:35:50 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:35:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <004b01c63280$2ffc89c0$3f128795@ogborneuah38i3> OK Richard.......I must have been a bit too subtle. I will now put it into good old fashioned English." The sooner the Dickhead pisses off the better'' I am sick of his smarmy postings , and his self indulgent whinging. I too thank Spencer for the list .It is something we all look forward to when we boot up our computers.To have a person such as Allen making these sort of comments just buggers everything . He has made threats to leave the list before ........please let him have the guts to do so this time! There it is ...to the point! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > Ok Peter what is eventuates. My on board computer[brain] does not compute > it???????? > > > At 06:40 PM 2/15/2006 +0800, you wrote: >>One can only hope that this eventuates! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From shop at cccomm.net Wed Feb 15 14:49:11 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:49:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Wanted-Maytags References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> <019501c63271$538ab3d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <03bf01c63282$0984c030$6501a8c0@Shop> Attention Dave Rotgiel. Maytags wanted for a catapult contest. Stan Guldin of Gardnerville Nevada and others are building a huge catapult for launching stuff. He is going to put on a barbecue and have a Maytag launching contest. The furthest will be awarded something....maybe more beer.... Dave in Nevada From lyle45859 at netzero.com Wed Feb 15 14:50:28 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:50:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <001001c63239$9f289740$111f7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000001c63282$3b127340$c7978a41@lyle0592c054dd> I'd like to add my two cents to this string. When I first joined this group I was not happy with the way thing were going with a lot of the strings. Now after several weeks I have come to understand that this web site which brings people together has improved my outlook on life. Yes some times it is slow and other times e-mail seems to disappear into thin air but stop and think, without this type of correspondence from its list members we would have to depend on the U. S. Mail and that sure is not dependable for fast service. Yes list members we should be thankful for this list and not complain about its short falls. What better way to bring people together with adverse interests over a wide variety of subjects that are willing to share their knowledge, pictures and personal experiences. I say if you are not happy with the way things are today, stop and think what it would be like without this list. You would have questions or ideas and no where to go with them. For me I have changed my feelings for the list and I say keep up the good work and thank you for your hard work and devotion in putting the list together. Lyle Myles a true believer in our list. McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer grumble grumble grumble..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 > hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list > before. In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called > spam filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and > this IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" > auction site was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? > Not worth the trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > > -- > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado, USA > transteck at earthlink.net > http://frapa.us/ > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Feb 15 14:51:36 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:51:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Novo In-Reply-To: <038201c6327f$9381cab0$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> <00e001c6326b$d4ce30d0$230110ac@PAUL> <038201c6327f$9381cab0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: Hi Dave, On the Novo S there is a hand-hole cover on each side of the crank case. I thought there was also an oil drain hole but I'm not certain of that. The oil level should be such that the con rod nuts just dip into the oil. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Dave Ernst wrote: > 1 1/2 hp model S. How does one check or change the oil? Ain't no plugs > nowhere...... From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 15 15:18:26 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:18:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Wanted-Maytags...tending OT References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp><019501c63271$538ab3d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <03bf01c63282$0984c030$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <003301c63286$23529920$3f128795@ogborneuah38i3> Perhaps you could aim one to Albany ,West Australia....Maytag's are rare here . Please when you pull back on that catapult remember that there is a lot of ocean out there! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Wanted-Maytags > Attention Dave Rotgiel. > Maytags wanted for a catapult contest. Stan Guldin of Gardnerville Nevada > and others are building a huge catapult for launching stuff. He is going > to put on a barbecue and have a Maytag launching contest. The furthest > will be awarded something....maybe more beer.... > > Dave in Nevada > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Feb 15 15:26:24 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:26:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Novo References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net> <2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> <00e001c6326b$d4ce30d0$230110ac@PAUL> <038201c6327f$9381cab0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <004a01c63287$3cd78990$796e8645@mikecomp> Yeah there is! On the exhaust side under the "NoVo" inspection plate there are 3 plugs. The big one in the middle is to fill the gas (there is one on the carb side too). Then to the left are two small plugs. The one on top is the oil filler, the one below it is the drain. On mine I never saw the drain til I cleaned it good, because it was put in using a FLUSH HEAD plug!!!!! After I cleaned off the dirt i saw the fine line around the plug, used a point chisel and after soaking it in PB Blaster, backed it right out! Check and see. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ernst" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Novo > > 1 1/2 hp model S. How does one check or change the oil? Ain't no plugs > nowhere...... > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cwja at telus.net Wed Feb 15 16:18:18 2006 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:18:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo and J. ALLEN In-Reply-To: <038201c6327f$9381cab0$6501a8c0@Shop> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net><4.2.0.58.20060215061007.01b6ac90@mail.pennswoods.net><2449.165.206.180.6.1140007965.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><001801c63246$8609da50$796e8645@mikecomp> <00e001c6326b$d4ce30d0$230110ac@PAUL> <038201c6327f$9381cab0$6501a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <43F3C4CA.9060804@telus.net> Hi Dave, On my Novo there is a plug on the side of engine (opposite side to valve gear side) that should drip oil when the level is proper. I have put a 2 inch nipple extention with a cap on it and a right angle fitting into the plug hole. To check the oil I open the cap and turn the nipple to horizontal . If it drips oil then I have the proper level. The nipple cap system makes checking quick and easy. Hope this helps. ALSO TO ALL ON THE LIST !!!! I am not the crazy person who slammed Spencer. I am the other Jeff Allen on the List; I am Canadian and we are known as nice people and peacemakers extrordinaire: I am the nice Jeff Allen! Please note address below Jeff Allen Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Dave Ernst wrote: > > 1 1/2 hp model S. How does one check or change the oil? Ain't no plugs > nowhere...... > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 15 16:07:02 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:07:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] now"Can other people see the pictures" In-Reply-To: <200602151700.k1FH04q7006086@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060216015858.00af25e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 12:00 PM 15/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at >http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm >I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv Hi Dave, I fixed it (and replied to you) last night - there was a problem with Internet Explorer reading my (bad) code. It is working now - try your "refresh" button or clear "Temporary Internet Files". As mentioned - I wrote the pages in a hurry and only checked them with Netscape. My apologies. There was an error in my coding and Netscape seems more forgiving than Explorer. I get the "Digest" version of "SEL" so actually only got your mail last night - I fixed it within an hour and replied to you immediately but only got this latest post about an hour ago. Hope you enjoy the page anyway. I've lost (just temporary - it's somewhere on my desk) Geoff's email address - if you have it will you please let him know about the page (if it is working now). Thanks Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 15 16:25:49 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:25:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <200602151700.k1FH04q7006086@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602160232421.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> At 12:00 PM 15/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Message: 7 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:31:05 -0500 From: "Ken Christison" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Message-ID: <410-22006221420315515 at coastalnet.com> Content-Type: >text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thumbnails are not there, but here they are: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/anson1.jpg Hi Ken, Thanks for posting that - you must be using a decent browser - not Microsoft. The page is fixed now. Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 15 16:20:50 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:20:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated/and how about a vote In-Reply-To: <200602151700.k1FH04q7006086@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602160232296.SM01100@new.databak.co.za> At 12:00 PM 15/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <20060214.132727.896.1.jlb94 at juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Jerry, >Very nice site. >Easy on the eyes and easy to navigate. >Nice Job. >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Thanks Joe I just try to write it the way I'd like to read it. Nothing fancy - just a letter with a few pictures added. I must admit that the flashing red arrow in the header gets on my nerves sometimes (even though I drew it myself). How about a vote from the list - what do you guys think of the flashing arrow in my header. I've got to admit that if it came to the stage where I had to have the "casting vote" I would vote to remove it. (You guys should all know where South Africa is by now ). (I still like the revolving pulleys - even if they are not in synch.) Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Feb 15 16:54:31 2006 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:54:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated Message-ID: <410-22006241605431203@coastalnet.com> Jerry, I use Internet Exploder. I just viewed the source on the page and saw the name of the files and added it to the url. Pretty basic. Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Jerry Evans > To: > Date: 2/15/2006 11:32:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webpage updated > > Hi Ken, > Thanks for posting that - you must be using a decent browser - not > Microsoft. The page is fixed now. From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 15 17:15:46 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:15:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update References: <000901c631e2$757faf70$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <43F380DC.4010502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <008701c63296$842888d0$0b151941@pengy> I've poured thousands of castings with no gating, just a riser. Gating is supposed to be there to catch any impurities or slag in the molten metal but it doesn't always do that either. I like pouring down the riser since that always results in the hottest metal being in the riser, right where you want it. You don't have to worry much about gating with me. I can add whatever gating I think is neccessary and I won't complain either! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update > Dave Otto wrote: > >>Hi Curt >> >>Thanks for the gate and riser tutorial; A couple more questions, the part >>called the sprue down button is located on the cope side of parting board, >>correct? What is its purpose? Will this be opened up to create the opening >>to pour into? >> > Dave, > This is one of the items I add because the books and the old foundry man > tells me I should. Truthfully I really don't understand why one can't just > pour direct in the riser which is open on top. Maybe Rick can elaborate. I > know one of the small Stickney patterns I made last year has a simple > riser and gate and the pour is straight into the riser. The local foundry > instructed me to do it that way. Maybe this only works on small parts..... > Once rammed I understand the proceedure is to carve out a funnel in the > green sand just over this button and to punch a small diameter sprue > straight down into the top of this button. The metal then flows across to > the riser, thru the gate, and into the mold. > >>>The riser on the cope side is 1 3/4" diameter at the parting board. >>> >> >>Don't you mean drag side? The cope side is 5" or am I missing something >>here? >> > I meant the cope side. Yes the cope side of this flask is 5" tall. > Incidentally the drag side is 4" tall on this flask set. So the riser is > 1.75" where it hooks on the top of the parting board and tapers to a > smaller diameter in its' 5" height. The taper is roughly a 1/4"/ft. taper. > >>I'm still waiting to find out what size to make the parting board? What >>size >>did you settle on? >> > The board wound up being 32 x 12 I think! Huge board and way overkill for > your Falk piston. I have offered to put the flask dimensions on CAD and > these drawings could be on the Tod Works site for reference. I'm supposed > to get flask dims for this Herc pattern I'm working on now and since your > Falk pattern is only about 2" longer maybe this same flask will work for > it. If so I'll email you the drawing of it today. > >>I will let you know how the pattern splitting operation works out. I'm >>going >>to wait until I'm ready to mount it on the board to lessen the chance of >>warping or splitting of the wood. It is nice and dry but you never know. >> > Hey I noticed you chucked one end of your block in a 4 jaw chuck. How did > you assure that the center of rotation was dead on the parting centerline? > I gave up having sucess and ultimately made a tool that the 3 jaw chuck > could hold and this tool is screwed to the end of the block right on > centerline. Even so, with the new tool I was off about .030 on this last > pattern (the Herc) I made over the weekend. I am going to have to mill a > little off one side and build up a little on the other to compensate. > Obviously I've still got work to do making a better tool. > >> >>The Alamo is a way cool engine; it looks like a heavy beast for the >>horsepower. >> > Oh goodness it is a heavy beast! I will HAVE to put it on wheels despite > it originally being a skid mount. I simply have no way to move it around > otherwise. Hopefully all that mass will make a slow smooth running engine. > I have yet to see one at a show so have no clue how they run.... > >> The vertical flyball governor is also a nice feature. >> > Yes the 3 ball vertical governor and the walking beam that operates the > exhaust valve, ignitor, and fuel saver are the neat features of this > engine. > >> Do you >>have all the parts or will there be more pattern making and casting work? >> > The engine was missing only 1 part, the latchout arm. With pictures Edd > Payne in Oz sent I was able to make a pattern and Rick cast it. That was a > tricky bit of machining, but it has been done several months now. I am now > waiting on a time slot with a local machineshop to bore the cylinder on a > Cinn Milcron horizontal boring mill to clean up the cylinder. After that > the fixture to pour the mains can be inserted in the clean and straight > bore and the mains poured. Once Rick casts the new piston I can machine > that and it will be assembly time. I've already rebuilt everything else > like valve cages, made oversize valve stems, rebuild the water pump, made > all new screws and studs, bushed and bored the conn. rod, etc. I'm kind of > at a standstill 'till I get the boring work done. > > See ya, > Curt > >>Regards, >> >>Dave >> >> >>Dave Otto >>Boise, Id >>USA >>Dotto at velocitus.net >>http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Feb 15 17:15:59 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:15:59 EST Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer Message-ID: <1d5.4dfc6168.31252c4f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/2006 11:17:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: << I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one will not overshadow the joy of many. >> In the past I have had a few problems getting list mail past AOL blockers and after contacting Spencer he has taken his time to contact AOL and fixed the problem. This just adds to more of his personal time to keeping this GREAT list going. Thanks Spencer! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 15 17:41:33 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:41:33 +0200 Subject: [SEL] What's happening? In-Reply-To: <200602151700.k1FH04q7006086@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060216023202.023fe8a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 12:00 PM 15/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/14/2006 12:11:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: >I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. >I am in the same boat. I can't find any pictures. >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA Hi Guys, I get the Digest version of the SEL. The one I have just received (SEL Digest, Vol 23, Issue 15) was fine up to the message above from Francis (relating to my pages- I've fixed them and replied to everyone) but thereafter everything was "all screwed up" - I'm talking about the actual "coding" of the mail. Looks like someone sent a lot of HTML coded mail and somewhere along the line it all got jumbled up. I'm just wondering if it was the same for all the "Digest" recipients or was it just me? I picked up a few "snippets" from this. It seems Jeff Allen was quite upset about something and made some rather unpleasant comments. As a relative newbie to this list (it's been 2 years - when can I stop calling myself a "newbie"?) I'm not keen to start passing judgements on list members especially when I do not have all the facts. I'd just like to say that I've corresponded with Jeff in the past and I consider him to be one of my "List Friends" and am not going to judge him by the comments I read. We all have our "bad spells". I've also had a few and there are some list members who will not correspond with me as a result - that is unfortunate but we are all individuals and I respect each and every one of you even if you sometimes get "Grumpy" (as I also do). Having said that I also have to say that, if the comments I read were actually from Jeff and they were actually meant to be "published", then I feel the same way as many of you do. They were made in bad taste and are not acceptable. I really hope that there is a good explanation for them. I belong to this list as well as the "stationary engine list" as many of us do and really love these lists and their members. I have learnt so much from them and have been overwhelmed with the support, friendship and help that I have had from the members (that is YOU GUYS). It really hurts when there are bad vibes on the lists - at the end of the day we are all held together by a common interest and that is our affliction with rusty old heaps of iron. Please don't let stupid things like computers and eMail disruptions spoil the camaraderie that we share. To Spencer, we've never met or even corresponded, thanks for what you do and what you provide for us. Yes - things do go wrong sometimes but I'm sure that most of your members are very grateful for the FREE service that you provide for us - it must take a fair amount of your time and finances. What the hell - sometimes we take an engine to a show and it will not start - do we throw a tantrum ? Maybe, maybe not, but it will start next time and we'll still love it. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mrengine at comcast.net Wed Feb 15 17:48:07 2006 From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:48:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Spencer Thank you for all you do Message-ID: <021620060148.350.43F3D9D7000395DD0000015E22058864420A020709020A9D03@comcast.net> I seldom post anything but I have to today. Spencer we appreciate all your hard work providing this list. A big Thank You from Tennessee. Frank --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_350_1140054487_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I seldom post anything but I have to today. Spencer we appreciate all your hard work providing this list. A big Thank You from Tennessee.

Frank

From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 15 17:55:27 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:55:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] now"Can other people see the pictures" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060216015858.00af25e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20060216015554.70BEE313C1F@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> A. Nice page! B. Great pics! C. even works over dial-up! D. Works well in IE, and of course it works fine in a STANDARDS based browser - Firefox! Cool. Bill Runnells, IA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:07 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] now"Can other people see the pictures" At 12:00 PM 15/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi guys, Can other people see the pictures at >http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/anson/index.htm >I get to that page but cannot see any photo's. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv Hi Dave, I fixed it (and replied to you) last night - there was a problem with Internet Explorer reading my (bad) code. It is working now - try your "refresh" button or clear "Temporary Internet Files". As mentioned - I wrote the pages in a hurry and only checked them with Netscape. My apologies. There was an error in my coding and Netscape seems more forgiving than Explorer. I get the "Digest" version of "SEL" so actually only got your mail last night - I fixed it within an hour and replied to you immediately but only got this latest post about an hour ago. Hope you enjoy the page anyway. I've lost (just temporary - it's somewhere on my desk) Geoff's email address - if you have it will you please let him know about the page (if it is working now). Thanks Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 15 18:03:28 2006 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:03:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <019501c63271$538ab3d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20060216020329.38810.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> I also thank you Spencer for a job well done. I too am pretty much a lurker here, but I read the list every day without fail. There is just so much information as well as comaraderie here that it's priceless yet we get it for nothing. Who are we to ever complain???? Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. R & M Ingold wrote: Ya said that well mate. Echoes the thoughts of almost all of us. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer >I rarely post a message because my knowledge pales to most of you die hard >engine guys. I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this >forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and >enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one >will not overshadow the joy of many. > > Mike Royster _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos --0-7470667-1140055408=:33360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I also thank you Spencer for a job well done. I too am pretty much a lurker here, but I read the list every day without fail. There is just so much information as well as comaraderie here that it's priceless yet we get it for nothing. Who are we to ever complain????

Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada.

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

Ya said that well mate. Echoes the thoughts of almost all of us.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer

>I rarely post a m essage because my knowledge pales to most of you die hard
>engine guys. I just want to say a big thanks to Spencer for making this
>forum available to us. I have learned more than I can express here and
>enjoyed learning more about each of you. I hope the frustration of one
>will not overshadow the joy of many.
>
> Mike Royster

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Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 15 18:13:50 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:13:50 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New pages Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060216040953.00af25e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All Another 2 page added to my website - hope they both work this time :_0 I for "Brass spec plates" and 1 for "quiklinks" - direct links to photo's on my site. Look Here: Best regards Jerry Evans. Visit our website: www.databak.co.za --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Feb 15 20:25:30 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:25:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <43F380DC.4010502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000401c632b1$0913ca90$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Curt Holland wrote: > I meant the cope side. Yes the cope side of this flask is 5" tall. > Incidentally the drag side is 4" tall on this flask set. So the riser is > 1.75" where it hooks on the top of the parting board and tapers to a > smaller diameter in its' 5" height. The taper is roughly a 1/4"/ft. taper. I must have been half asleep last night when I asked you about that, for some reason I was thinking the 1.75 dimension was the height or depth of the drag side riser. I don't think you indicated what this height was? Thanks for the flask size drawings; do I need to put the 2" holes in the parting board? I would assume so. Also I have the Freeman locaters on order, these will still be used, correct? And am I safe to assume they need to be placed in side the dotted line? > Hey I noticed you chucked one end of your block in a 4 jaw chuck. How > did you assure that the center of rotation was dead on the parting > centerline? I gave up having sucess and ultimately made a tool that the > 3 jaw chuck could hold and this tool is screwed to the end of the block > right on centerline. Even so, with the new tool I was off about .030 on > this last pattern (the Herc) I made over the weekend. I am going to have > to mill a little off one side and build up a little on the other to > compensate. Obviously I've still got work to do making a better tool. The two pieces that made up the blank were the same size, so I just centered the blank in the chuck. Then I carefully tapped the other end to line the paper joint up the center and center drilled it. After the blank was round and put in the 3 jaw chuck, I had to tap it around a little to line the center up with the split. There were actually three steps, the first to make it round. The second to turn the part around and put the round part in the three jaw chuck, and center drill it. At this point the core print end was machined. The third step the part was turned around again, indicated in and the piston end was turned to size and length. One thing I did find out pretty quickly is the blank would not clear the cross slide of my 13" tool room lathe. So my first cuts had to be deep enough to make it clear. > Oh goodness it is a heavy beast! I will HAVE to put it on wheels despite > it originally being a skid mount. I simply have no way to move it around > otherwise. Hopefully all that mass will make a slow smooth running > engine. I have yet to see one at a show so have no clue how they run.... Rob Skinner has a couple of large engines that are on skids, I know he shows then because I have seen pictures. Maybe he can tell us how he loads and unloads them. Rob are you there? It would be fun to see the progress; you are taking pictures aren't you? Dave Otto Boise, Id USA Dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Feb 15 20:55:22 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:55:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New pages In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060216040953.00af25e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000501c632b5$33296ca0$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Jerry Your tag work is real nice; I have done a little bit of tag work myself. Your prices are extremely reasonable for what is involved to make a nice looking tag. Because I don't have enough time to get my own projects finished I wouldn't even consider doing this on a regular basis. I did volunteer to make a small R&V tag for a friend because there are none available any where. I think my process is probably similar to yours. I take a high resolution scan and import it into AutoCAD. The picture is then scaled so it is the exact size of the original. This picture is then used as a drawing board to create the vector geometry. I didn't keep track of the time I have in the Falk tag but it was a bunch, just for kicks I kept track of the computer time for the R&V tag and I have right at 12 hours in it. Here is a picture of a tag I made for my little 3hp Falk that I have been working on. This is a prototype and I have tweaked the art work since I made this one. Now I just need to find time to make a few more. http://community.webshots.com/album/547640091vNkfnt Regards, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Id USA Dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 P.S. If it is not a trade secret I would be interested to here what you are using as a mask, and etchant. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:14 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] New pages > > Hi All > Another 2 page added to my website - hope they both work this > time :_0 > I for "Brass spec plates" > and 1 for "quiklinks" - direct links to photo's on my site. > Look Here: > > > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > > Visit our website: www.databak.co.za > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Feb 15 21:13:25 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:13:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated/and how about a vote Message-ID: <20060216.002409.1176.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, The flashing arrow may be annoying to YOU - But - Me, being from the USA and - you probably do not know where Pennsylvania is - Likewise, I don't know where you're from. I never realized it but, I direct everything to people in the USA. It shows were you're from. I like it. I Vote To Keep It !! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Wed Feb 15 22:11:49 2006 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:11:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer In-Reply-To: <001001c63239$9f289740$111f7546@mycomputer> References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20060216170718.00c11fd0@mail.netconnect.com.au> If it wasn't for Spencer we wouldn't be here at all. Membership is a choice that carries with it rights and responsibilities. Tolerance and understanding should come with the territory - especially of a free and usually well moderated service. Not many bargains around like that these days! And if you're unhappy, there is always the unsubscribe option! Regards, Mark >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:19 PM >Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer > > >>There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 >>hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list before. >>In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called spam >>filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and this >>IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" auction site >>was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? Not worth the >>trouble for me. Call me gone!! >>Jeff >>-- Jeff Allen >>Arvada, Colorado, USA >>transteck at earthlink.net >>http://frapa.us/ >>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. 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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Wed Feb 15 22:29:11 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:29:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] webshots pics Message-ID: <00a301c632c2$51285600$0eae57ca@n> G'day All I have just updated my web shots page with a swag of new pictures so if anyone wants to have a look click the linx and its all go. http://community.webshots.com/user/mickmckay101 Cheers Mick ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 15 22:33:47 2006 From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:33:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SEL] Webpage updated In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060214230245.00a929a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20060216063347.65787.qmail@web26313.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> The webpage is wonderful. Could you elaborate on the name plate making process as seen on: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm I am not asking for trade secrets, just a general walk through of how it works. Thanks, A.M. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos ? NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 15 23:36:52 2006 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:36:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010501c632cb$c14014b0$4050ecdc@morris> G'Day Jeff I like all the rest would like to thank Spencer for providing this FREE service for us all to communicate with, without THIS list I would not have made many great friends (and a few I have upset)from over the world. I can understand your frustrations, where others that have not been black listed may not understand, for 4 months I could not get a post through for 48hrs after I sent it, in the end it was a waste of time posting as the thread I wanted to be a part of was long over. no one could help fix the problem of getting my provider (second largest in OZ) off the back list. My Options. 1. Leave the list (without putting crap on Spencer) 2. Find another (free) provider that was not blacklisted. As I did NOT want to lose the friendship of this list I got a yahoo mail account and subscribed, problem fixed although for my reasons I left the old one connected so had to play with two lots of postings, then after the list was down several weeks ago my postings on the original account got through fine. If this one gets through without a major delay I will unsubscribe the yahoo account. Jeff you are still subscribed so I assume you would realise the flames you would get, well it worked, don't know why you did not ask the list if anyone else had a problem and what help we could provide This is also the only list I have had problems with BUT. 1. Its Spencers list, if he wants this type of spam protection that is the way it is 2. Refer to my options above 3. Think up another option 4. Shut the door quietly if you go 5 - 10 Thank you again Spencer for your effort in keeping this list going Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine PS. Fred for you "In Comfort Mode" > There is absolutely no excuse for the crap on the SEL list. 24 hour, 48 > hour delay. Been there and done that with this and only this list before. > In my opinion it's not worth the bother. Change your so called spam > filters. They are nothing but a pain in the ass to list members and this > IS THE ONLY LIST I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH. Your "secure" auction site > was hacked last year, and now we have to put up with this? Not worth the > trouble for me. Call me gone!! > > Jeff > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 16 04:23:02 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:23:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] webshots pics References: <00a301c632c2$51285600$0eae57ca@n> Message-ID: <000501c632f3$bf831b40$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "SEL LIST" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:29 AM Subject: [SEL] webshots pics G'day All I have just updated my web shots page with a swag of new pictures so if anyone wants to have a look click the linx and its all go. http://community.webshots.com/user/mickmckay101 Cheers Mick Hi Mick, Is that Copper TB engine antimagnetic? Or by any chance is it a Cooper TB 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu Feb 16 06:18:52 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:18:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Alamo piston pattern update In-Reply-To: <000301c632b1$08e40800$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000301c632b1$08e40800$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <43F489CC.8020200@imc-group.com> Dave Otto wrote: >I don't think you indicated what this height was? > > Dave, the height of the drag side one is about 1" maybe an 1 1/4". It is the same 1.75 diameter at the parting board, 5? draft. >Thanks for the flask size drawings; do I need to put the 2" holes in the >parting board? > Yes. > Also I have the Freeman locaters on order, >these will still be used, correct? And am I safe to assume they need to be >placed in side the dotted line? > > Since Rick has stepped up to using real flasks you really don't need the Freeman locators. The 2" holes on each end are clearance for a piece of angle iron and this fits in a guide to allow the cope and drag flasks to re realigned after the pattern board is removed. Lets hope they are in good shape and are straight! It won't hurt a thing to add the mold lock buttons if you like, and yes they will need to fall inside the dashed line. Glue them in with 2 part epoxy. > > >>Hey I noticed you chucked one end of your block in a 4 jaw chuck. How >>did you assure that the center of rotation was dead on the parting >>centerline? >>The two pieces that made up the blank were the same size, so I just centered >>the blank in the chuck. >> Tell us more about this. How did you accurately center this? Because of the huge square corners there is no indicator that will back out of the way enough to allow the square corner to go by to indicate the flat on the other side. Did you just use a scale and some reference on your lathe? >>There were actually three steps, the first to make it round. The second to >>turn the part around and put the round part in the three jaw chuck, and >>center drill it. At this point the core print end was machined. The third >>step the part was turned around again, indicated in and the piston end was >>turned to size and length. >> >> Interesting method. This lets you finish the crown end, eliminating any hand finish work where it was chucked. I just made my block 2 or 3" too long and chucked it in the 4 jaw and turned the block round up to the chuck jaw. Then turned core print and pattern in one setup (pattern on the left, core print on the right. Last I rotate the carriage around to the 5? and part it off as deep as I can on 5? draft. The last inch or so I cut with a coping saw and hand finish the end. How'd you like turning basswood? Sure makes some wicked birdnests as you approach a shoulder doesn't it! The first ones I did were in basswood. The last two I've done in poplar and this is some great turning wood. No birdnests and excellent finish. A little strip sanding both directions of rotation with 220 paper and it's smooth as glass. >>One thing I did find out pretty quickly is the blank would not clear the >>cross slide of my 13" tool room lathe. So my first cuts had to be deep >>enough to make it clear. >> >> Yes I had the same problem with the huge block of wood to make the Stickney funnel. Had to make an offset tool that hung way left of the carriage to rough the part enough so the carriage would go under. >>Oh goodness it is a heavy beast! I will HAVE to put it on wheels despite >>it originally being a skid mount. I simply have no way to move it around >>otherwise. Hopefully all that mass will make a slow smooth running >>engine. I have yet to see one at a show so have no clue how they run.... >> >> > >Rob Skinner has a couple of large engines that are on skids, I know he shows >then because I have seen pictures. Maybe he can tell us how he loads and >unloads them. Rob are you there? > >It would be fun to see the progress; you are taking pictures aren't you? > > Unfortunately I have not documented this engine too well. A lot of the engine was in boxes when I bought it and my intention was to just put it back together and mechanically restore it later when I got some other project done. But to make this go together, that had to be fixed, then something else, etc., etc. 6 months later I've nearly done the whole thing. I just didn't take the time to pick up the camera and take many pictures. Sigh... Curt > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Feb 16 06:36:18 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:36:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] webshots pics References: <00a301c632c2$51285600$0eae57ca@n> Message-ID: Gosh Mick..you do have them ALL. Could you turn the crankshaft on this 90 degrees and shoot another pix? I'm baffled :-) http://community.webshots.com/photo/47265612/1087094877039186067QCNyOk RickinMt. G'day All I have just updated my web shots page with a swag of new pictures so if anyone wants to have a look click the linx and its all go. http://community.webshots.com/user/mickmckay101 Cheers Mick From shop at cccomm.net Thu Feb 16 06:49:32 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:49:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Get it together Spencer References: <43F2B9C4.2010508@earthlink.net> <010501c632cb$c14014b0$4050ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <03e001c63308$32a44860$6501a8c0@Shop> I just have to say this: I was once told by you know who that the reason this list exists is because of a committment made to a very ill person. All the old timers will know what I'm talking about, but everyone should be very careful in what they say and more importantly, KEEP your conversations ENGINE related. 'nuf said Dave Ernst in Nevada From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Feb 16 07:14:51 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:14:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] webshots pics Message-ID: <20060216.102137.296.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mick, Excellent - Excellent - Excellent - I can't imagine anyone having that many engines to post. And - All in running shape. WOW I feel like "Small Change". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 16 10:23:40 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:23:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] webshots pics In-Reply-To: <200602161700.k1GH04rl032611@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060216200908.00afff40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 12:00 PM 16/02/2006 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Mick Christie" >Subject: [SEL] webshots pics >To: "SEL LIST" >G'day All >I have just updated my web shots page with a swag of new pictures so if >anyone wants to have a look click the linx and its all go. >http://community.webshots.com/user/mickmckay101 > Cheers > Mick Hi Mick, Nice collection of engines - I like the Petters especially the "Bogtop". I just helped a friend today to make a wooden casting pattern for the "lid" of one he is building up (unfortunately I did not think of taking pics). His is slightly different and only has 4 bolts as opposed to yours that has 6. Also his has a smooth top - yours has what looks like the name cast into the top - any chance of a pic from above? Is the name Petter or Benford ? There is a pic of his engine here: (about halfway down the page) That Standard seperator engine is also nice - I posted some pics of a similar one a few days ago here Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 16 10:38:26 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:38:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sandstone Heritage News In-Reply-To: <200602161700.k1GH04rl032611@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200602162150359.SM01680@new.databak.co.za> >Hi All, Anyone out there interested in a great getaway to South Africa. Sandstone Heritage Trust is having an extravaganza for 2 weeks starting with a narrow gauge steam festival and then the Annual Cosmos Festival. (29th March - 9th April 2006 ) You can read about it here : http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/Tourism/tsm7/tsm7.htm and here: http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn70/htn70.htm While you are on their site have a look at their collection of vintage tractors that I photographed in December: http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn68_Jerry_Evans_sse_tractors/htn68.htm And here is their collection of engines which I photographed in 2004 http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html You can read more about last years Cosmos Festival on my site here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sandstone/index.htm We will be there with a few engines but not for the whole 2 weeks - some of us have to work to earn a living - damn!! Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 19 18:01:20 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:01:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060219163430.04e85ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01c801c635c1$8bbc1fc0$230110ac@PAUL> Larry, really enjoyed these pictures as I have one of these little engines setting out in the shop under the workbench that I intend to get to one day if the grim reaper don't get me first. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD > Hi, > In late December and early January, Bill Young who lives in Japan was > visiting southern California. He likes to drop by my place when he is in > town and surprise me with unexpected little projects. This time it was > the re-assembly of a Fairbanks Morse ZD 1 1/2 hp. engine someone else had > taken apart. This was interesting in that neither of us had worked with > one of these before and we had no printed information at all to refer to. > Thanks to people I've met on this and other lists I was able to find > online information that gave us the important timing information, etc. > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/fmzd/ > to see what we had to work with. If you have never seen inside one of > these you might find it interesting. We did get it to run. > From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Feb 19 17:54:16 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:54:16 -0800 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD In-Reply-To: <20060219.203108.796.7.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060219.203108.796.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060219174323.02a103c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 05:30 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote: >Hi Larry, > >Nice Job !!! > >Very good pics even though I use dial-up. > >It didn't take long to load as the reading took a few minutes. > >Can you start it with the flywheel or do you need a crank ? >Not much room there to spin a flywheel. This is one of those engines with no impulse in the magneto so you need a little speed to get a good spark. As much as I dislike cranks I suspect that they are pretty much needed on this engine. The engine is now back with its owner so I have not played with it at all. Larry >Thanks > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >\/)"(\/ >(_o_) "There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong." >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Feb 18 06:24:59 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:24:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware References: <000001c63456$364681a0$1a978a41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <003401c63497$1a0b1dc0$6400a8c0@number1> WOW what a statement !!!! I dont think you can say that or at least the people that own Webshot sure would like to talk to you... Just say I think I got some spyware off web shot site ..You might say people that use web shot are putting up spyware or something like that but also so does email and everthing else on the net have spyware in it----- Its up to us the end user to use good computer habits with good anti virius software to keep these things to a dull roar ... And just maybe you picked something up else where and thought you got it from there site.. are you sure Don Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware > To the list members > I know several of you use Web Shots to post your pictures on the web. Do > you > know that Web Shot carries spy ware with it? A lot of folks are unaware of > this information and I thought I should pass this on to the list member > who > may be concerned with spy ware entering their computer. > > > McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of > America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office > chair. > . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Feb 19 18:40:28 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:40:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events Message-ID: <000601c635c7$06d38f90$91128d41@lyle0592c054dd> To the list members I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio and I?m disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I?m interested in shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these states starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list members for their time and support of this web site. Lyle DeWitt Myles McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. ?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at netzero.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Feb 19 19:57:25 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:57:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events References: <000601c635c7$06d38f90$91128d41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <00ce01c635d1$c3e79950$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> GEM does a show directory Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events > > To the list members > > I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio > and > I'm disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I'm interested in > > shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does > any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these > states > > > starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list > members for their time and support of this web site. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles > > > McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of > America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office > chair. > . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Feb 19 20:38:15 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:38:15 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Witte fuel filter Message-ID: <20060219.203816.1292.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am about to complete my Witte Dieselectric engine and would like to replace the fuel filter. The original works but is bent up. Where would I find a replacement for an American Bosch FSA 10R1? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 19 20:45:29 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:45:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060219174323.02a103c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008301c635d8$7ae95d40$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > This is one of those engines with no impulse in the magneto > so you need a little speed to get a good spark. As much as I dislike > cranks I suspect that they are pretty much needed on this engine. The engine > is now back with its owner so I have not played with it at all. Stole this idea from Ron Haskell: Take a piece of rope, wrap it around the crankshaft pulley, pull smartly. We have the crank for our ZD, but it lives in the hopper where it is less likely to come into contact with my face. Rob From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Feb 19 21:42:49 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle Myles) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:42:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware In-Reply-To: <003401c63497$1a0b1dc0$6400a8c0@number1> Message-ID: <000001c635e0$7cc32cb0$04978a41@lyle0592c054dd> Believe me I have some of the best software in the industry. This is due to the nonprofit organization I own. My brother-in-law works for AT&T and does all their computer works for them. He has been with them since the beginning of computers and has a very up to date list of spy ware and to add to this even Microsoft has spy ware software that detects spy ware and if you use this you will discover that even their free program will pick up the spy ware from Web shots. Do some honest checking and you will soon discover that what I have put on the list is correct and true. Believe it or not, I do and have removed it from my computer and since doing these things have been better for my computer. McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Don.H Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware WOW what a statement !!!! I dont think you can say that or at least the people that own Webshot sure would like to talk to you... Just say I think I got some spyware off web shot site ..You might say people that use web shot are putting up spyware or something like that but also so does email and everthing else on the net have spyware in it----- Its up to us the end user to use good computer habits with good anti virius software to keep these things to a dull roar ... And just maybe you picked something up else where and thought you got it from there site.. are you sure Don Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware > To the list members > I know several of you use Web Shots to post your pictures on the web. Do > you > know that Web Shot carries spy ware with it? A lot of folks are unaware of > this information and I thought I should pass this on to the list member > who > may be concerned with spy ware entering their computer. > > > McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of > America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office > chair. > . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. > > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Feb 19 22:34:31 2006 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:34:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OZ RALLY In-Reply-To: <43F8B952.4080003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4pbf90$j9eetm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au> Another good rally coming up very soon Thanks Alan Wheaton Wagga Wagga From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 19 23:33:16 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:33:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <20060218195154.57741.qmail@web26309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6f6025160602181221j760c64a3i38f263a8fed4690b@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218154435.0d6e5518@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602181511h41630f6as887314b812b61cb6@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218202044.025b1e60@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602190031o656355a8l5283d55d03630a85@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> On 2/19/06, Paul Evans wrote: > Whether or not you use Frontpage has nothing to do with it. > > If someone has installed the Frontpage extensions globally on the server > then it will have created what you have found. > > Paul Thank you for that information, Paul, but I understand from looking on the net that the Frontpage config files are not full-sized versions of the original, but are reduced. In all of our cases they were full-sized duplicates. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Feb 20 00:14:11 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:14:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD In-Reply-To: <008301c635d8$7ae95d40$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060219174323.02a103c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <008301c635d8$7ae95d40$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060220000708.02c63ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> > >Stole this idea from Ron Haskell: > >Take a piece of rope, wrap it around the crankshaft pulley, >pull smartly. We have the crank for our ZD, but it lives in >the hopper where it is less likely to come into contact with >my face. > >Rob Excellent idea, Rob (and Ron) so I assume these plans are for a decorative item only. http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif Larry Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Feb 20 01:01:22 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:01:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <20060218195154.57741.qmail@web26309.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6f6025160602181221j760c64a3i38f263a8fed4690b@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218154435.0d6e5518@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602181511h41630f6as887314b812b61cb6@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218202044.025b1e60@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602190031o656355a8l5283d55d03630a85@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> Listerdiesel wrote: > Thank you for that information, Paul, but I understand from looking on > >the net that the Frontpage config files are not full-sized versions of >the original, but are reduced. In all of our cases they were >full-sized duplicates. > > A while since I did it so I made sure of my facts before posting. Running the latest version of Install Frontpage Extensions under CPanel on one of our duplicate sites produces exactly what you have seen. Removing all the duplicate files/Frontpage Extensions is also simply a menu option under CPanel or running the appropriate script if you do not have CPanel installed. Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 02:36:46 2006 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:36:46 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Member's Sites on Oldengine.org - IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> References: <6f6025160602181005o3db2ebu3603093a9c8f37b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218154435.0d6e5518@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602181511h41630f6as887314b812b61cb6@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060218202044.025b1e60@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602190031o656355a8l5283d55d03630a85@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060219130952.0d6efa48@mail.alltel.net> <6f6025160602191349x241c2cb0yd9aeab144dd5343f@mail.gmail.com> <43F90469.8030908@semidiesel.com> <6f6025160602192333i553dcbd2o47bc938dde36bb79@mail.gmail.com> <43F98562.90108@semidiesel.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160602200236m3c2ffdfex583db57f76ed1dc3@mail.gmail.com> On 2/20/06, Paul Evans wrote: > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Thank you for that information, Paul, but I understand from looking on > > > >the net that the Frontpage config files are not full-sized versions of > >the original, but are reduced. In all of our cases they were > >full-sized duplicates. > > > > > A while since I did it so I made sure of my facts before posting. > > Running the latest version of Install Frontpage Extensions under CPanel > on one of our duplicate sites produces exactly what you have seen. > > Removing all the duplicate files/Frontpage Extensions is also simply a > menu option under CPanel or running the appropriate script if you do not > have CPanel installed. > > Paul OK, I'll see if Greg has the option of doing that and restoring things as they were before. Thanks again for the input. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 20 02:41:30 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:41:30 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware References: <000001c635e0$7cc32cb0$04978a41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: <004201c6360a$3737e260$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Web Shots has spy ware > Believe me I have some of the best software in the industry. This is due to > the nonprofit organization I own. My brother-in-law works for AT&T and does > all their computer works for them. He has been with them since the beginning > of computers and has a very up to date list of spy ware and to add to this > even Microsoft has spy ware software that detects spy ware and if you use > this you will discover that even their free program will pick up the spy > ware from Web shots. Do some honest checking and you will soon discover that > what I have put on the list is correct and true. Believe it or not, I do and > have removed it from my computer and since doing these things have been > better for my computer. > Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at netzero.com Hi Lyle, see http://www.webshots.com/html/spyware_policy.html If you can prove what you say you can take them to court for damages. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From blcksmth at wcnet.org Mon Feb 20 06:37:14 2006 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:37:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events In-Reply-To: <000601c635c7$06d38f90$91128d41@lyle0592c054dd> Message-ID: Go to www.FarmCollectorShowDirectory.com and check out the show directory book they have. I just got mine last week. Most every show in the US and Canada is listed in most any order you might need. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Myles Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:40 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] information on shows and events To the list members I have a question about shows and events. As one can see I live in Ohio and I?m disabled and cannot travel to far from my home. I?m interested in shows in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Penn. and West Virginia. Does any one know how I can find information on shows and events for these states starting in the spring and ending in the fall? Thanks to all the list members for their time and support of this web site. Lyle DeWitt Myles McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office chair. ?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day. Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at netzero.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 20 06:41:37 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:41:37 -0800 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060220000708.02c63ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a701c6362b$c29bc580$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > >Take a piece of rope, wrap it around the crankshaft pulley, > >pull smartly. We have the crank for our ZD, but it lives in > >the hopper where it is less likely to come into contact with > >my face. > Excellent idea, Rob (and Ron) so I assume these plans are for > a decorative item only. > http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif Not at all, Larry. That crank drawing is for an authentic, functional crank. It should be used only by enginemen who are so ugly that getting hit in the face with a crank will be an improvement, or by enginemen who are so handsome that a few facial scars will not substantially detract from their desirableness to the opposite sex. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 20 07:03:56 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:03:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 32 HP John Robson Engine Message-ID: <200602201706343.SM01648@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, Yet another page added. Some friends recently "discovered" this 32 HP John Robson engine in Johannesburg. I've searched the net for info on this engine but apart from a few smaller ones in Aus have drawn a blank. Any info will be appreciated Keep the revs up (or down) AND REMEMBER ------ Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 20 03:43:26 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:43:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Graham Harris Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060220133755.00aa6170@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 10:05 AM 20/02/2006 +1100, you wrote: Hi Graham, I got your mail but screwed up and lost it on the server while deleting spam. Please resend it to me as I do not have your eMail address. I will reply as soon as I receive it again. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Feb 20 08:04:43 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:04:43 EST Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD Message-ID: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> Hi Larry, Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request so that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. I don't remember Rob suggesting it might hurt me. The BIG debate over cranks on the SEL was later. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:37:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: Excellent idea, Rob (and Ron) so I assume these plans are for a decorative item only. http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif Larry -------------------------------1140451482 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Larry,

Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request= so=20 that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. =20= I=20 don't remember Rob suggesting it might hurt me. The BIG debate over cr= anks=20 on the SEL was later.

Ron Carroll

Clearmont, Missouri

In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:37:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 lfevans at pacbell.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>Excellent idea, Rob (and Ron) so I assume these plans are for a=20 decorative
item=20 only.
http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 20 09:38:12 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:38:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD References: <193.518a5344.312b429b@aol.com> Message-ID: Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? Mine's missing. RickinMt. > > Hi Larry, > Rob was kind enough some years ago to provide those plans at my request so > that I could make a close copy of an FM ZD crank to fit my little ZD. I > don't > remember Rob suggesting it might hurt me. The BIG debate over cranks on > the > SEL was later. > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:37:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, > lfevans at pacbell.net writes: > > Excellent idea, Rob (and Ron) so I assume these plans are for a > decorative > item only. > http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d-crank.gif > > Larry From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Feb 20 10:22:16 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:22:16 EST Subject: [SEL] A few pictures - F-M ZD Message-ID: <2c0.5544077.312b62d8@aol.com> In a message dated 2/20/2006 12:12:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Ron..how did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? Mine's missing. RickinMt. Hi Rick, Using your lathe*, cut a groove in the crank rod. Then, fit the tube handle in place, heat it, and roll it with a dulled pipe cutter which will provide the crease that holds it. You'll need a torch (propane is adequate), vise to hold the handle, and vise grips will do nicely for turning the tube in the pipe cutter. If you wish to be really uptown, knurl the tube on your lathe before fitting it to the crank. Finally, for the excessively anally compulsive, drill, bore, and thread a recessed zerk fitting in the handle end to use for applying just that dab** of grease that keeps the handle tube turning freely. Hope this helps. Ron *if you lack a lathe, you can scribe a groove using your pipe cutter, then, with first a triangle and then a round file, cut it to a sufficient depth. **a unit of measure that is slightly smaller than the normal, larger amount of grease that comes out and gets all over everything. -------------------------------1140459736 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/20/2006 12:12:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Ron..how=20 did you dimple the outer handle..so it doesn't come off? Mine's=20
missing.

RickinMt.

Hi Rick,

Using your lathe*, cut a groove in the crank rod. Then, fit= the=20 tube handle in place, heat it, and roll it with a dulled pipe cutt= er=20 which will provide the crease that holds it. You'll need a torch (prop= ane=20 is adequate), vise to hold the handle, and vise grips will do nicely fo= r=20 turning the tube in the pipe cutter. If you wish to be really uptown,=20 knurl the tube on your lathe before fitting it to the crank. Finally,=20= for=20 the excessively anally compulsive, drill, bore, and thread a recessed zerk=20 fitting in the handle end to use for applying just that dab** of grease that= =20 keeps the handle tube turning freely.

Hope this helps.

Ron

*if you lack a lathe, you can scribe a groove using your pipe cutter, t= hen,=20 with first a triangle and then a round file, cut it to a sufficient depth.

**a unit of measure that is slightly smaller than the normal,=20 larger amount of grease that comes out and gets all over everything.

In a message dated 2/20/2006 12:07:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

Hello Richard, if you would like for me to send you the crank that came with
my ZD to copy I will gladly do so for you, Just let me know.

Hi,

Last year at the antique engine show, I saw one exhibitor start a ZD using a short end of a ZD crank with a the engaging pin and an electric drill.

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA

Ron H,

I was over on a Cub Cadet list when your message was put in my mailbox,= I=20 am also into Cadets, I hope to have you an answer in just a little while.

Thanks, Bill Miller.

Ron H.

I can't tell you what Model the Cadet is yet but it was made in June=20 1967.

Thanks Bill Miller.

Ron

There are four fellows over on the Cadet list that say it is a 123=20 Cadet.

Thanks, Bill.

Ron Haskell

Send me your E-mail address,

Bill M.

billmil357 at aol.com