From lfevans at pacbell.net  Tue Aug  1 02:24:40 2006
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:24:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa.
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160607312339k76e1277t4e3c4c095ed6179b@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160607312339k76e1277t4e3c4c095ed6179b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060801022357.05373ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Try this for the first picture:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWell4Cylengine.jpg

Larry

At 11:39 PM 7/31/2006, you wrote:
>On 29/07/06, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security
>>Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800:
>
>David emailed some pictures overnight:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org.members/diesel/Misc/StateWell4Cylengine.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellEnginebrandplate.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGenerator.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellBrandPlatefactoryinfo.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellExteriorroughprint.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGeneratorcloseup.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGlowPlugheater.jpg
>
>Peter
>--
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Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Aug  1 04:55:48 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 05:55:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL
References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV38ED4659F30D68B391986BB5D0@phx.gbl>

Still works for me Curt.

http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt.jpg

RickinMt.








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL


> Guys,
> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems
> to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice
> documentation.....
> <http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/engine.people/>
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 04:59:39 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:59:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOIEKCCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F291FD4820EBFE3D39FA17DC85D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Glenn,

I wasn't sure if you were still around on the SEL or not. What ever happened 
to that huge Fairbanks you hauled to NY from down south?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
>
>But the picture link is broken :(
>Glenn
>




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Aug  1 06:18:20 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows, was nice wheels
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>

I ran across this article on cable plows

Steam-operated cable plowing developed successfully in England, using 
a system of two steam engines pulling a cable-drawn plow. The English 
cable plows were capable of traveling safely at up to 4 mph when 
plowing through good soil. The length of the furrow was usually 
measured in 1/2 miles rather than in rods, and the early English 
cable plows, with their short strings of cable, were grossly 
inadequate. By 1870, there were 3,000 steam cable-plowing outfits in 
operation in England and only four outfits operating in the U.S. 
Henry E. Lawrence, a southern planter, used one of these plowing 
outfits on his 1,000-acre sugar estate near New Orleans.

Cable plowing never really took root in North America, owing mostly 
to issues of topography and the large size of our fields, 
particularly in the West. The general use of cable-type steam plows 
was widespread in Germany around the 1890s, and they were still being 
used for reclaiming peat land as late as the 1970s.

http://www.steamtraction.com/article/2003-03-01

Interesting

Frank



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Aug  1 07:28:19 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows, was nice wheels
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <3187.165.206.180.19.1154442499.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

One advantage I could see was the fact that the "tractor" or traction
engine would never get stuck if you hit a wet spot, never sink the wheels
in, etc.

Bill

> I ran across this article on cable plows
>
> Steam-operated cable plowing developed successfully in England, using
> a system of two steam engines pulling a cable-drawn plow. The English
> cable plows were capable of traveling safely at up to 4 mph when
> plowing through good soil. The length of the furrow was usually
> measured in 1/2 miles rather than in rods, and the early English
> cable plows, with their short strings of cable, were grossly
> inadequate. By 1870, there were 3,000 steam cable-plowing outfits in
> operation in England and only four outfits operating in the U.S.
> Henry E. Lawrence, a southern planter, used one of these plowing
> outfits on his 1,000-acre sugar estate near New Orleans.
>
> Cable plowing never really took root in North America, owing mostly
> to issues of topography and the large size of our fields,
> particularly in the West. The general use of cable-type steam plows
> was widespread in Germany around the 1890s, and they were still being
> used for reclaiming peat land as late as the 1970s.
>
> http://www.steamtraction.com/article/2003-03-01
>
> Interesting
>
> Frank
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug  1 07:51:32 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:51:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows, was nice wheels
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <C0F4B884.139D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>




On 8/1/06 6:18 AM, "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
> By 1870, there were 3,000 steam cable-plowing outfits in
> operation in England and only four outfits operating in the U.S.


Hi Frankie,
We Yanks didn't need cable plows because we
could drive our tractors in a straight line.

:-)





















From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 08:03:50 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:03:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows
In-Reply-To: <3187.165.206.180.19.1154442499.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F2124277F995F140D3078E2C85D0@phx.gbl>

It would suck if the plow got plugged and you had to walk to the middle of 
the field to clean it out.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=================

>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>
>One advantage I could see was the fact that the "tractor" or traction
>engine would never get stuck if you hit a wet spot, never sink the wheels
>in, etc.
>
>Bill
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug  1 08:11:53 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:11:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>

Tim,
Since the Ozzies didn't answer I'll take a stab at it. I was quite 
fascinated by the steam traction cable plows we saw at Narracoorte. A 
picture of one is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20247.jpg>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20252.jpg>

As it was explained to me it had nothing to do with speed, but rather 
the desire to eliminate compaction of the soil by the heavy traction 
engine. A pair of traction engines were spaced side by side the cable 
lengths apart. They would yo-yo the plow back and forth between them, 
alternating which engine advanced a plows width. They used toots on the 
whistles to communicate the long distance between the engines in 
foggy/dusty weather. Apparently the plow did move along at a pretty good 
clip, as I heard stories of plows getting caught on buried roots and 
stumps and the plow being launch considerable distance in the air.

Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have 
yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly. 
So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early 
culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer 
could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know 
the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in 
Australia.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

**Tim Christoff wrote:

>Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US?  I have never
>seen a reference to it.  Also, what was the advantage of plowing a feild in
>this way beside the fact that the engines were not traveling through the
>feild, I guess what I am trying to say is, was this method quicker than
>pulling the plow behind a smaller tractor?
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 7/31/2006 5:47:40 AM
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels
>>
>>I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler
>>    
>>
>BB's
>  
>
>>(steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic -
>>http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre
>>    
>>
>field
>  
>
>>behind our house.  This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the
>>    
>>
>end
>  
>
>>of WWII.  As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields,  dredge
>>    
>>
>pools
>  
>
>>and pull out stumps for many years after that.  I do not know if they are
>>still working, but they almost certainly still exist.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>     Pete
>>-- 
>>Peter Scales  
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>john palmer
>>>Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08
>>>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels
>>>
>>>You can see how far behind the British were.We were using 
>>>these things till 
>>>after the second war!!   John
>>>
>>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug  1 08:28:10 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:28:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the cable
plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and did the
cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:

> Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
> yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
> So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early
> culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
> could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know
> the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
> Australia.



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Tue Aug  1 09:27:34 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:27:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Arnie

This is certainly how it was done in the UK - a "contractor" would turn up
and plough your fields / dredge your pond / thresh your corn, etc..  It
still gets done that way today - most smaller farmers do not have the spare
cash for the capital costs of the equipment, so the bigger boys buy the gear
and rent it out (usually with driver).

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arnie Fero
> Sent: 01 August 2006 16:28
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
> 
> Hi Curt,
> 
> Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines 
> and the cable
> plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
> basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm 
> and did the
> cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
> 
> > Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to 
> date, have
> > yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under 
> the belly.
> > So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. 
> In our early
> > culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
> > could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be 
> interesting to know
> > the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable 
> plowing in
> > Australia.
> 
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Aug  1 09:31:30 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:31:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F2124277F995F140D3078E2C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200608011631.k71GVg3X095681@mail-gw.fsr.net>

The plows had riders, so the engine operator(s) wouldn't have to walk out
into the field.  Take a close look at these pictures.  You'll see the seats
for the rider. 

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/102.jpg

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/111.jpg

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/112.jpg

You can see hundreds more interesting pictures, similar to the above, here:

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/

In particular, pictures 031 through 039 and 078 through 115 are related to
the current topic. 

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:04 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam Cable plows

It would suck if the plow got plugged and you had to walk to the middle of 
the field to clean it out.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA





From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug  1 10:16:18 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:16:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>

Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 
pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth 
of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and 
used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative 
arrangement.

Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam 
traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
Curt
P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due 
to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a 
kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and 
putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the 
household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have 
the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 
hour process. Later.....

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>
>Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the cable
>plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and did the
>cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
>>yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
>>So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early
>>culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>>could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know
>>the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
>>Australia.
>>    
>>
>
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>  
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Aug  1 10:17:30 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:17:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <001d01c6b58e$626b23d0$3ac10b52@no1>

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Arnie Fero
>> Sent: 01 August 2006 16:28
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
>> Hi Curt,
>> Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines 
>> and the cable
>> plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>> basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm 
>> and did the
>> cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>> 
>> > Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to 
>> date, have
>> > yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under 
>> the belly.
>> > So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. 
>> In our early
>> > culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>> > could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be 
>> interesting to know
>> > the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable 
>> plowing in
>> > Australia.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


> Hi Arnie
> This is certainly how it was done in the UK - a "contractor" would turn up
> and plough your fields / dredge your pond / thresh your corn, etc..  It
> still gets done that way today - most smaller farmers do not have the spare
> cash for the capital costs of the equipment, so the bigger boys buy the gear
> and rent it out (usually with driver).
> Regards    Pete
> Peter Scales  


I can remember in the 1980's this was still the method used to dredge the
bed of a lake just to the rear of the current 1000 engine site.
ISTR that they only used one ploughing engine with a movable anchored 
return pulley on the opposite bank.

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Aug  1 10:22:01 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:22:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>

Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen 
with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an 
18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the 
cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system 
moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is 
the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the 
difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next 
plow swath?

Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Tue Aug  1 11:24:40 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:24:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <042301c6b597$c2d02d70$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Mike

A previous correspondent has quoted a speed of 4 m.p.h. for a cable plough.
I have seen them move fast enough to raise a "bow wave" of soil.  I would
have estimated 10 to 12 m.p.h., but it is nearly forty years ago....

A traction engine in bottom gear could easily raise enough tractive effort
to pull down a house - I've seen that done.  A 1" steel cable was laid out
in a loop all around the base of the building, hitched to the drawbar, and
away she went.  Goodbye, house.

I have also seen a traction engine outpull a tug-o-war team with 500 men on
it, with no trouble whatsoever.  Prior to the outpull, these 500 had the
12-ton engine running backwards (out of gear, I assume) at a good walking
pace.  Engage gear, open throttle, and in two seconds 500 men on their faces
in the dirt.

A lot of the traction engines were compound engines with H.P. and L.P.
cylinders, and some had mechanisms to allow H.P. steam into the L.P.
cylinder for heavy work.  For the sake of illustration, I will assume a 5"
dia. H.P. and a 10" dia. L.P. cylinder, and an operating pressure of 150
p.s.i..  In "emergency" gear, the pressure on the L.P. piston face would be
150 x 5 x 5 x 3.14159 pounds = 11,781 pounds, or 5 1/4 Imperial tons.  This
worked on a crank radius of, let us say, one foot, so developing 11,781
foot-pounds.  This was then geared down substantially to the driving wheels,
shall we say four to one, allowing for the increased radius of the driving
wheels?  It could easily have been a good deal more than that.  At any rate,
this gives a "bollard pull" figure of about 20 tons, or enough to allow the
engine to winch its own weight vertically upwards with plenty to spare.  On
the right surface, the traction engine could easily pull up tree-stumps.

Finally, http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm - of
considerable interest to me, at any rate :-)

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Tucker
> Sent: 01 August 2006 18:22
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
> 
> Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen 
> with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an 
> 18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the 
> cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system 
> moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is 
> the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the 
> difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next 
> plow swath?
> 
> Mike
> -- 
> _____________________
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> Midway, Kentucky, USA
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Aug  1 11:27:23 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:27:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
	<p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <002401c6b598$22c10790$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Mike,

A couple of things come to mind that might make a cable plow smaller than a 
pulled plow.  One is the size of the cable needed and also the size of the 
drum needed to wind it up.  The other is not having to use some kind of 
anchor to keep the engine from being pulled sideways.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Tucker" <oldironnut at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen
with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an
18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the
cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system
moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is
the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the
difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next
plow swath?

Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Aug  1 12:01:34 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:01:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL
In-Reply-To: <44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com>
References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk>
	<44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <44CFA50E.5090702@insulate.co.uk>

Thanks, Steve - guess we all need to update them by a few years!

Dolly

Steve Gray wrote:

> You referring to this, Dolly?  I took this over for Dave Croft a while 
> back.
>
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Aug  1 12:02:52 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:02:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F89D822DBE69F71C76BB71BD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F89D822DBE69F71C76BB71BD5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06230901c0f553bb071b@[172.21.24.99]>

Doug,

Thanks for the info.  Your description convinces me that what I'm 
looking at in the picture is the mixer.  Would the J mixer have the 
small "intake" valve in the mixer like the Jr. brass mixer does?

Thanks again,
Mike

>Yes, the Model J had a cast iron mixer & it was moved to near the 
>center of the head as is the intake valve. On the Juniors brass 
>mixer & intake valve cage are in line with the exhaust valve cage on 
>governor side. I believe the cast iron mixer is nearly identical to 
>the Juniors except made of cast iron instead of brass. I have three 
>Juniors but no J's.

-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Aug  1 13:06:01 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:06:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801155106.0294edf8@lbpinc.com>


Finally, 
<http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm>http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm 
- of
considerable interest to me, at any rate :-)

Regards
      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For an interesting read about the Traction engine and how they are 
operated  you can go to http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164
and download the book for free.

Reprints are also available from a number of places including
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-gs/rtgs_book.asp

A couple of excerpts

Petroleum is not a bad thing in water where sulphate of lime prevails;
but you should use only the refined, as crude oil sometimes helps to
form a very injurious scale. Carbonate of soda and corn-starch have been
recommended as a scale preventative, and I am inclined to think they are
as good as anything, but as we are out in the country most of the time I
can tell you of a simple little thing that will answer the same purpose,
and can usually be had with little trouble. Every Monday morning just
dump a hatful of potatoes into your boiler, and Saturday night wash the
boiler out, as I have already suggested, and when the fall's run is over
there will not be much scale in the boiler.

  He has discovered that the
engineer is not expected to build an engine, or to improve it after it
has been built.  Has recognized the fact that the principle thing is to
attend to his own business and let other people attend to theirs.  That
a monkey wrench is a tool to be left in the tool box till he knows he
needs it.  That muscle is a good thing to have but not necessary to the
successful engineer.  That an engineer with a bunch of waste in his hand
is a better recommendation than an "engineer license." That good common
sense, and a cool head is the very best tools he can have.  Has learned
that carelessness will get him into trouble, and that to "forget" costs
money.

Frank

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug  1 12:53:52 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:53:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011552360.49659@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Pete,

We could probably add "drink your beer / shag your wife / etc."  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Peter Scales wrote:

> This is certainly how it was done in the UK - a "contractor" would turn up
> and plough your fields / dredge your pond / thresh your corn, etc..  It
> still gets done that way today - most smaller farmers do not have the spare
> cash for the capital costs of the equipment, so the bigger boys buy the gear
> and rent it out (usually with driver).


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 14:06:41 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011552360.49659@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>




>Good News!  The Board of Directors for the Fall Harvest Days in Arden N.C. 
>finally made the correct decision!!    For 2007 the show will be free for 
>exhibitors and you can reserve your spaces on a first come, first served 
>basis as in years past.  I appreciate all of you that allowed me to use 
>your comments and  those of you  who sent your thoughts directly to the  
>Board.  For 2006 I have  enough spaces for those of you who normally attend 
>and we'll try and squeeze in any new folks as well.  See you all at 
>Portland    Thanks. Steve Royster




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 14:10:52 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:10:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL]Gade castings and patterns
In-Reply-To: <654948539.1152150201896.JavaMail.root@fepweb05>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F3764D1F7E663E25AA655B1955D0@phx.gbl>




I had a call from a gentleman out west that needed a fuel pump and mixer 
cast for a 6 hp Gade. I can let him use my for patterns but I believe 
someone out there has already don the patterns for these. Does anyone know 
who might have aready done these? Thanks, Steve




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 14:26:08 2006
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:26:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F291FD4820EBFE3D39FA17DC85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOKEKJCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

I still have it - it sits on the 12 ton trailer that it rode up on (all
together on a tractor trailer)
It is still froze up. I want very much to get to it one day.

I am planning to mount it on a set of four 1100-22 military wheels I think
they are.
I am selling my M543A2, a 5 ton wrecker and a guy who came to look at it
glanced at the
rear springs and he said if you snip these rivits or bolts (forget which
they were) the entire
trunnion will slide on the frame - - - ah...... just the solid chunk I need
to hold this engine :)
An M543A2 weighs in at around 34,000. I THINK but could be wrong that this
60HP might
weigh around 20,000 so it should work fine :)

I am still on the list and often read emails - - but my life has changed a
LOT.
I now have a significant other - a very nice and yet hard working lady who
is both smarter,
better looking, higher class etc than me. Not to mention wants things clean
and picked up
more than me...... That clean part is growing on me however.

Since meeting her, I did sell one engine - a 40HP Bovard & Seyfang. I still
have the 15HP
half-breed and a 22.5HP Bessemer and the 9HP and smaller ones.

Glenn
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  1 15:05:37 2006
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOKEKJCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060801220537.64364.qmail@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

glenn, glad to see your still around.  do you still have the christenson?  skip

Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com> wrote:  I still have it - it sits on the 12 ton trailer that it rode up on (all
together on a tractor trailer)
It is still froze up. I want very much to get to it one day.

I am planning to mount it on a set of four 1100-22 military wheels I think
they are.
I am selling my M543A2, a 5 ton wrecker and a guy who came to look at it
glanced at the
rear springs and he said if you snip these rivits or bolts (forget which
they were) the entire
trunnion will slide on the frame - - - ah...... just the solid chunk I need
to hold this engine :)
An M543A2 weighs in at around 34,000. I THINK but could be wrong that this
60HP might
weigh around 20,000 so it should work fine :)

I am still on the list and often read emails - - but my life has changed a
LOT.
I now have a significant other - a very nice and yet hard working lady who
is both smarter,
better looking, higher class etc than me. Not to mention wants things clean
and picked up
more than me...... That clean part is growing on me however.

Since meeting her, I did sell one engine - a 40HP Bovard & Seyfang. I still
have the 15HP
half-breed and a 22.5HP Bessemer and the 9HP and smaller ones.

Glenn
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug  1 17:04:46 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:04:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <C0F53A2E.13E7%rskinner@rustyiron.com>


On 8/1/06 10:22 AM, "Mike Tucker" <oldironnut at alltel.net> wrote:

> Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen
> with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an
> 18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the
> cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system
> moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is
> the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the
> difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next
> plow swath?
> 
> Mike

Hi Mike,
I once asked a friend of mine, who does a lot of plowing, about just driving
the tractor faster.  I forget the exact answer, but basically it was, no,
you can't just drive faster.  But you also have to figure in extra labor and
extra machinery.  

On the plus side, cable plowing rigs are infinitely cooler than conventional
plows.

Rob





From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Aug  1 17:46:07 2006
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:46:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
References: <BAY105-F291FD4820EBFE3D39FA17DC85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005401c6b5cd$0c7a42a0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

yeah, Glenn,, what happened to that huge Fairbanks ?? dont i rememeber an 
agreement we had , that if ya didnt have it in running condition in one year 
, that it came back to the seller ?? or did i just dream that up ??  all 
seriousness aside, however,  if it gets all moldy and stuff, or, if the new 
better half says the junky ole thing needs to go, i might, just maybe, give 
ya your money back on it,,,,
good to hear from ya,,,
bill boyce
down south


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks 
Engine


> Hi Glenn,
>
> I wasn't sure if you were still around on the SEL or not. What ever 
> happened to that huge Fairbanks you hauled to NY from down south?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 19:12:50 2006
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:12:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <20060801220537.64364.qmail@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOOEKKCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>



Yes Skip - I still have the 18HP Christensen.
I think it was last summer that we had it to Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days.
I belted it up to my 9HP Economy so I could start it easily. It ran well.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
glenn, glad to see your still around.  do you still have the christenson?
skip
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From wilson at stny.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 19:23:54 2006
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:23:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <005401c6b5cd$0c7a42a0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOOEKLCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

"The misses" is sitting at the other desk and heard me when I read your
email
aloud. She kept saying "What was that"? "What was that"? with a smile......
she heard the first time :)  And yes, she likes things all pretty and clean,
not the
state that this is in at the moment.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill Boyce
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks
Engine


yeah, Glenn,, what happened to that huge Fairbanks ?? dont i rememeber an
agreement we had , that if ya didnt have it in running condition in one year
, that it came back to the seller ?? or did i just dream that up ??  all
seriousness aside, however,  if it gets all moldy and stuff, or, if the new
better half says the junky ole thing needs to go, i might, just maybe, give
ya your money back on it,,,,
good to hear from ya,,,
bill boyce
down south

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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 19:44:37 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:44:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cable plowing now Furnace Power
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c6b5dd$98ec9840$99781941@pengy>

Curt,

I ran my induction furnace today.  kinda felt bad adding that additional 75 
KW of load to the system but bills must be paid.  Three heats in four hours 
is a new record for me.  I have a lawn sprinkler under the cooling unit. 
When the water temp gets above 108 degrees I turn it on for a few minutes 
and the water temp drops back down to about 98 degrees and slowly climbs up 
over about 20 minutes or so.

Does it take 8 hours to get the metal in the channel furnaces back up to 
pouring temperature?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


> Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
> expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 pounds 
> of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth of wood. 
> I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and used horses 
> to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative arrangement.
>
> Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam 
> traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
> Curt
> P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due to 
> excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a kw-hr 
> consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and putting the 
> furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the household A/C 
> usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have the pleasure of 
> starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 hour process. 
> Later.....
>
> Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>>Hi Curt,
>>
>>Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the cable
>>plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>>basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and did the
>>cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
>>>yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
>>>So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early
>>>culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>>>could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know
>>>the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
>>>Australia.
>>>
>>
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Aug  1 19:56:22 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:56:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801224939.08a6aa28@lbpinc.com>


 > Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen
 > with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an
 > 18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the
 > cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system
 > moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is
 > the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the
 > difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next
 > plow swath?
 >
 > Mike

Hi Mike,


Part of the answer may be here (From 
http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm


The plow had to do some fancy work at the end of the run to get in 
position for the next run, tip for reverse direction, and get dug in. 
18 to 20 bottoms times 2 (for each direction) would have been a real 
thrill to move over, tip, and get dug in.  It would have been a 
frightening display at best.

Frank


Working the plough
34. The usual method of working with a balance type plough is to 
steer the plough out of the furrow at the end of a pull about 8 yards 
or so from the pulling engine, turning the steering onto full lock 
and steering the plough out of the furrow onto the unploughed land 
and towards the front of the engine by an amount equal to about two 
thirds the working width of the plough and just before the plough 
stops turn the steering onto full opposite lock.
35. When the driver has released his ploughing clutch remove the tail 
rope from the slack rope hook on the end of the plough frame 
otherwise it will be impossible to tip the plough down. This is the 
assistants job.
36. When the engine next to the plough has moved along the headland 
moving its rope out of the way of the plough shares the other engine 
can start to pull. If the plough is of the anti balance type watch 
the anti balance rollers in the plough centre and as soon as these 
move to the centre balance position the plough can be pulled down and 
should now be held in balance with the end of the frame about waist 
high and swung round towards the unploughed land with the furrow 
wheel running towards the last open furrow. As soon as the furrow 
wheel is in line to enter the open furrow the plough frame is swung 
back into line with the direction of the work before lowering it onto 
the ground.
37. The slack rope can now be placed on the slack rope hook by the 
assistant. It will be appreciated that except for the smallest of 
ploughs at least two people are required for this manoeuvring and the 
foregoing operation requires steady pulling by the opposite engine 
until the plough is lowered into its working position with the shares 
starting to dig into the ground before the speed is increased.
38. When putting the slack rope onto the slack rope hook on the end 
of the plough frame grasp the rope at least 18 inches away from the 
hook to avoid pinched fingers when the plough middle slides into 
anti-balance, as the rope slides with it through the hook.
39. When steering the plough with the right hand furrows working the 
steering is the opposite way round to normal. This takes some getting 
used to and if the furrow wheel is inadvertently steered out of the 
furrow the plough must be stopped and pulled back by the other 
engine. It cannot be steered back into the furrow without missing 
several yards of ground and if done it will spoil the work and leave 
a crooked furrow.

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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Aug  2 04:39:41 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:39:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cable plowing now Furnace Power
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c6b5dd$98ec9840$99781941@pengy>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>	<44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>
	<00cb01c6b5dd$98ec9840$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <44D08EFD.1010505@imc-group.com>

Rick,
With E channel Ajax copper furnaces you _never_ shut them down. Once the 
copper solidifies, the channel will seperate and the circuit is broken, 
rendering the furnace (and the 30,000# of copper in it) useless.
When Duke says it time to shut down, we put the furnaces in low power 
(maintains temperature only) and put them on the generator. Yeah it 
expensive to feed all the diesel fuel for hours, but being able to buy 
power at 4 cent/kw-hr year round is worth it. The penalties for not 
getting below the agreed kw-hr usage are staggering. I believe it is an 
additional 29 cents/kw-hr! At just 4 cents/kw-hr we have a monthly power 
bill of $70,000. You can see what an additonal 29 cents would do to a 
bill! Staggering.....
The 8 hours is the process of starting the casting line back up. In 
other words getting the copper rod to come up vertically out of the 
furnace, thru the water cooled coolerbody, bend 90? and into the rolling 
mills. We are running 2 lines and are casting between 3.5 to 4 million 
pounds of copper each month.
Curt

Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Curt,
>
> I ran my induction furnace today.  kinda felt bad adding that 
> additional 75 KW of load to the system but bills must be paid.  Three 
> heats in four hours is a new record for me.  I have a lawn sprinkler 
> under the cooling unit. When the water temp gets above 108 degrees I 
> turn it on for a few minutes and the water temp drops back down to 
> about 98 degrees and slowly climbs up over about 20 minutes or so.
>
> Does it take 8 hours to get the metal in the channel furnaces back up 
> to pouring temperature?
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
>
>
>> Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
>> expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 
>> pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's 
>> worth of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought 
>> one and used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a 
>> cooperative arrangement.
>>
>> Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a 
>> steam traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the 
>> cooperative effort.
>> Curt
>> P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down 
>> due to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below 
>> a kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and 
>> putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till 
>> the household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will 
>> have the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about 
>> an 8 hour process. Later.....
>>
>> Arnie Fero wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Curt,
>>>
>>> Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the 
>>> cable
>>> plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>>> basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and 
>>> did the
>>> cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>> Arnie Fero
>>> Pittsburgh, PA
>>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>>
>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
>>>> yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
>>>> So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our 
>>>> early
>>>> culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>>>> could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to 
>>>> know
>>>> the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
>>>> Australia.
>>>>
>>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Aug  2 05:43:05 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:43:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV14CB038A6260F4714A85E9BB520@phx.gbl>

  G'day all;
Been in contact with Mr. Snipes over in Medical Lake, Wash.  He says the 
engine was started on air....compressor driven by a tractor engine.

   Hopefully someone can answer a couple questions.

  Is that a spark plug in the pix and what possible would the hand wheel be 
used for?  Pretty much everything else we understand...cooling line, etc.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/552740306/2369209400039077051oSSnxi

  According to the bible, this is the largest engine they made..300hp and 
gross's out at 35,000 pounds.

  Will get more pix's posted when we get over there..hopefully in a couple 
days.

  TIA
  RickinMt.

PS:  Not interested, just a looker, and hopefully help find it a new home. 



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Wed Aug  2 06:21:15 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:21:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV14CB038A6260F4714A85E9BB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Rick

I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid cold
starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would have
worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head.  The
hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a decompression
valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall compression
ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Strobel
> Sent: 02 August 2006 13:43
> To: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org; sel
> Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
> 
>   G'day all;
> Been in contact with Mr. Snipes over in Medical Lake, Wash.  
> He says the 
> engine was started on air....compressor driven by a tractor engine.
> 
>    Hopefully someone can answer a couple questions.
> 
>   Is that a spark plug in the pix and what possible would the 
> hand wheel be 
> used for?  Pretty much everything else we 
> understand...cooling line, etc.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/552740306/2369209400039077
> 051oSSnxi
> 
>   According to the bible, this is the largest engine they 
> made..300hp and 
> gross's out at 35,000 pounds.
> 
>   Will get more pix's posted when we get over 
> there..hopefully in a couple 
> days.
> 
>   TIA
>   RickinMt.
> 
> PS:  Not interested, just a looker, and hopefully help find 
> it a new home. 
> 
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Wed Aug  2 07:08:11 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:08:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc>
References: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <44D0B1CB.7060502@atnet.net>

Peter - Can't say for sure, you maybe correct.  Notice in the same photo 
the large old fashion blow torch mounted in such a way to heat the area 
of iron around the cylinder head top.

I live less than 100 miles from Medical Lake, WA. USA and didn't know of 
the engine but the State Hospital has been there for years.

Regards,

Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA USA

Peter Scales wrote:
> Hi Rick
> 
> I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid cold
> starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would have
> worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head.  The
> hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a decompression
> valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall compression
> ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.
> 
> Regards
> 
>      Pete



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug  2 06:57:39 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 
 Re: Findlay Ohio Show This weekend, WAS: Shows and fuel costs, Bird
 City report 
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060802014506.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060802014506.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608020953340.57882@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Speaking as an exhibitor, I can say this is one of the very best shows of
the year.  You will be really hard pressed to find one where you are made
to feel more welcome.  And that roasted sweet corn is to die for!!  8-))

See y'all around lunchtime on Thursday!!

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi ALL, Maytag Mark here writing at you, I just read the note my "WIFE"
> wrote and sent, As she says, still feels odd to be saying-hearing WIFE,
> GRINNNNN.
>   I've just realized I forgot to put out my invitation to you all to come
> to the grounds our association has rented and made available to you all to
> come and put on a show. I say that realizing thats all we do as trustees
> and show officers. Organize a few odds and ends and make a few needed
> arraingements with some folks here and there. Yes theres work on our end
> BUT Its the EXHIBITOR that makes the show!! A rented grounds is just that,
> grounds!  The Exhibitor is the show. We're keeping it as cheap as we can on
> our end for you so If you get a chance and can see it thru the heat and the
> high gas prices come on over to the Hancock County FairGrounds and put on a
> show! Or at the least come on over and visit with your friends and make
> some new ones. Oh and if you do get to exhibit please bring a few pieces of
> old iron along to sell at your display, We encourage that sorta thing. If
> your not exhibiting, still bring some stuff for the Trading Post to help
> fill it up and maybe help you get some gas money.
> We supply you the gas and propane to run your engines. And we'll feed the
> exhibitors some husk roasted sweet corn and muskmelon Friday evening at 6 pm.
> If you have any questions give me a shout at my cell 419.516.2996
> We have a modest web site at http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/
>
> Talk at ya all later!! If we survive the heat, GRINNN.  Mark



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Aug  2 07:52:09 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:52:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Father and Son project anyone?
In-Reply-To: <1523.65.6.252.94.1154527608.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <1523.65.6.252.94.1154527608.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <44D0BC19.7080606@imc-group.com>

How's this for a Maytag launcher? This should handle even the 40HP 
Prucha Maytags.  :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. This was Missy's find. It's a good woman that searches eBay for 
kewl guy's toys!

>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/Full-Size-24-Foot-Catapult-Trebuchet-Throws-Mowers-500f_W0QQitemZ300013700403QQihZ020QQcategoryZ66534QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
>
>  
>



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  2 17:54:41 2006
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20060803005441.67755.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup, Curt.
  I remember several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men that would bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a field near his farm.  That is until the year he was just entering a corner of the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal corner of the field and the engine blew up.
  He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.  He said four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses spooked, but he got them back under control without damage.
  A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied down the pressure relief to get more power out of it.
   
  That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around here.
  Around the same time an engine that was powering a sawmill blew up killing three men.  That engineer was also known for pushing the pressure limits too far.
  Stupid people and Innocent ones too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
  

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
  Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 
pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth 
of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and 
used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative 
arrangement.

Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam 
traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
Curt
P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due 
to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a 
kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and 
putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the 
household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have 
the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 
hour process. Later.....



 		
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Yup, Curt.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>I remember several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men that would bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a field near his farm.&nbsp; That is until the year he was just entering a corner of the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal corner of the field and the engine blew up.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.&nbsp; He said four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses spooked, but he got them back under control without damage.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied down the pressure&nbsp;relief to get more power out of it.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around here.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Around the same time an
 engine that was powering a sawmill blew up killing three men.&nbsp; That engineer was also known for pushing the pressure&nbsp;limits too far.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Stupid people and Innocent ones too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.</FONT></DIV>  <div><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</div>  <div><FONT size=3>Alan Bowen</FONT></div>  <div><FONT size=3>Williamsburg, Michigan</div>  <DIV><BR><BR></FONT><B><I>Curt &lt;curt at imc-group.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less <BR>expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 <BR>pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth <BR>of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and <BR>used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative <BR>arrangement.<BR><BR>Knowing the size of the
 team of men required to run and support a steam <BR>traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.<BR>Curt<BR>P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due <BR>to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a <BR>kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and <BR>putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the <BR>household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have <BR>the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 <BR>hour process. Later.....<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Aug  2 18:41:56 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:41:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
References: <20060803005441.67755.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04a501c6b6a0$df22a4d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Somewhere on this net thing are some pics of a steamer that blew out both 
ends of the boiler and the remains of one of the victims were never found.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


> Yup, Curt.
>  I remember several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men 
> that would bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a 
> field near his farm.  That is until the year he was just entering a corner 
> of the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal 
> corner of the field and the engine blew up.
>  He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.  He said 
> four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses spooked, but he 
> got them back under control without damage.
>  A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied 
> down the pressure relief to get more power out of it.
>
>  That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around here.
>  Around the same time an engine that was powering a sawmill blew up 
> killing three men.  That engineer was also known for pushing the pressure 
> limits too far.
>  Stupid people and Innocent ones too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.
>
>  Alan Bowen
>  Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
> Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>  Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less
> expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000
> pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth
> of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and
> used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative
> arrangement.
>
> Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam
> traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
> Curt
> P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due
> to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a
> kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and
> putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the
> household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have
> the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8
> hour process. Later.....
>
>
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT size=3>Yup, Curt.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>I remember 
> several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men that would 
> bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a field near 
> his farm.&nbsp; That is until the year he was just entering a corner of 
> the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal 
> corner of the field and the engine blew up.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT 
> size=3>He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.&nbsp; 
> He said four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses 
> spooked, but he got them back under control without damage.</FONT></DIV> 
> <DIV><FONT size=3>A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the 
> engine had tied down the pressure&nbsp;relief to get more power out of 
> it.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT 
> size=3>That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around 
> here.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Around the same time an
> engine that was powering a sawmill blew up killing three men.&nbsp; That 
> engineer was also known for pushing the pressure&nbsp;limits too 
> far.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Stupid people and Innocent ones 
> too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.</FONT></DIV>  <div><FONT 
> size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</div>  <div><FONT size=3>Alan Bowen</FONT></div> 
> <div><FONT size=3>Williamsburg, Michigan</div> 
> <DIV><BR><BR></FONT><B><I>Curt &lt;curt at imc-group.com&gt;</I></B> 
> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; 
> MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ya know Arnie, I've 
> wondered if this was the case even with much less <BR>expensive gas 
> engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 <BR>pounds of iron to 
> pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth <BR>of wood. I 
> could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and <BR>used 
> horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative 
> <BR>arrangement.<BR><BR>Knowing the size of the
> team of men required to run and support a steam <BR>traction engine, I 
> suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.<BR>Curt<BR>P.S. I'm 
> outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due <BR>to 
> excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a <BR>kw-hr 
> consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and <BR>putting 
> the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the 
> <BR>household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have 
> <BR>the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 
> <BR>hour process. Later.....<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
> <hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> Next-gen email? Have it all with the <a 
> href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42241/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handraisers"> 
> all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.</a>
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> 




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Aug  2 19:33:41 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:33:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060802222616.02844cf0@lbpinc.com>

This is very sad.  and needless.  I went to steam school this 
spring.  The first and biggest thing we learned is to keep enough 
water in it. Next watch the gauge.  To little pressure, add 
coal.  Pressure starting to move up to much, use it, and, or add 
water.  On the maintenance side,  Have the boiler checked, use good 
water, and check the pop off (pressure relief valve) often Do these 
things and you can't blow it up.  I am no expert, but It made sense 
to me.  BTW Driving one and running the engine is FUN.  I recommend it.

Frank

 >  A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied
 > down the pressure relief to get more power out of it.



From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Thu Aug  3 00:57:10 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:57:10 +1000
Subject: Subject: [SEL] steam cable plowing
Message-ID: <000c01c6b6d2$6cbdc000$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

20 years or so ago two identical Fowler ploughing engines were resident at the NSW Steam & Machinery Preservation Society's grounds at Menangle near Sydney. I do not know what became of them.

On a couple of occasions I witnessed them performing ploughing demonstrations, a very impressive operation. It was my understanding that ploughing from headlands in this manner was for the engines to remain on firm, well drained ground, whereas the ploughed field between them would often be very boggy, no place for a 20 ton engine! Apart from this reason, the engines also caused bad compaction, had poor turning radii etc, so were not used for direct ploughing.

In about 1961, I visited my parents property at the time their road was being upgraded from a track to a sealed road. A steam traction engine was being used to simply pull out the indigenous pine trees up to 15" diameter with no trouble at all. I did not take note of the type of engine, but it is the last time I observed one earning its keep.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au
Arcadia, NSW, Australia


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug  3 04:43:51 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:43:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>

Steve,
Sorry about the delayed reply, but I'm still sifting thru a couple 
hundred emails from having been out of the office last week.
As one of the more vocal critics of the "pay to display" policy change 
implemented last year by the Fall Harvest Days club, I would like to 
heartily congratulate you on affecting this change. Your efforts have 
put your club back on the correct path that embodies the essence of the 
hobby. I find the Fall Harvest Days shows one of the most enjoyable of 
the year, but was still prepared to boycott it by not bringing an 
engine.  Redirection of the policy pleases me greatly and I will 
certainly reciprocate by bringing something(s) really nice to Fall 
Harvest Days this year. Once again, thank you for your diligence in this 
matter.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Royster wrote:

>> Good News!  The Board of Directors for the Fall Harvest Days in Arden 
>> N.C. finally made the correct decision!!    For 2007 the show will be 
>> free for exhibitors and you can reserve your spaces on a first come, 
>> first served basis as in years past.  I appreciate all of you that 
>> allowed me to use your comments and  those of you  who sent your 
>> thoughts directly to the  Board.  For 2006 I have  enough spaces for 
>> those of you who normally attend and we'll try and squeeze in any new 
>> folks as well.  See you all at Portland    Thanks. Steve Royster
>
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug  3 05:36:21 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:36:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>

Curt or Steve,
    What are the dates for Arden? 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


> Steve,
> Sorry about the delayed reply, but I'm still sifting thru a couple 
> hundred emails from having been out of the office last week.
> As one of the more vocal critics of the "pay to display" policy change 
> implemented last year by the Fall Harvest Days club, I would like to 
> heartily congratulate you on affecting this change. Your efforts have 
> put your club back on the correct path that embodies the essence of 
> the hobby. I find the Fall Harvest Days shows one of the most 
> enjoyable of the year, but was still prepared to boycott it by not 
> bringing an engine.  Redirection of the policy pleases me greatly and 
> I will certainly reciprocate by bringing something(s) really nice to 
> Fall Harvest Days this year. Once again, thank you for your diligence 
> in this matter.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
>>> Good News!  The Board of Directors for the Fall Harvest Days in 
>>> Arden N.C. finally made the correct decision!!    For 2007 the show 
>>> will be free for exhibitors and you can reserve your spaces on a 
>>> first come, first served basis as in years past.  I appreciate all 
>>> of you that allowed me to use your comments and  those of you  who 
>>> sent your thoughts directly to the  Board.  For 2006 I have  enough 
>>> spaces for those of you who normally attend and we'll try and 
>>> squeeze in any new folks as well.  See you all at Portland    
>>> Thanks. Steve Royster
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From oldironnut at alltel.net  Thu Aug  3 06:01:50 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:01:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900c0f7a1e1f6d6@[172.21.24.99]>

>Redirection of the policy pleases me greatly and I will certainly 
>reciprocate by bringing something(s) really nice to Fall Harvest 
>Days this year.

>>>For 2007 the show will be free for exhibitors and you can reserve 
>>>your spaces on a first come, first served basis as in years past.

Curt,

Just so you won't be surprised and angered when you pull up to the 
gate this year, note that the "free for exhibitors" doesn't take 
effect until the 2007 show.

Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From mholland at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug  3 06:43:20 2006
From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com> <44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1114.65.6.251.168.1154612600.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tommy,

Arden (WNC Fall Harvest Days) will be Oct. 27-29.

Missy

> Curt or Steve,
>     What are the dates for Arden?
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Aug  3 07:35:50 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:35:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
References: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc> <44D0B1CB.7060502@atnet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys!!  Glow plugs on big engines is a new one to me.  Sounds 
interesting.  Air start also intrigues me with the special valving 
arrangement and proceedure.

  Plan now is to head over on Monday (3rd) and get some photo's.

  Couple items I don't see in the pix's is any view of cooling radiator)?) 
(Possibly what a tower was used for) or any sort of muffler.

  Should be an education to say the least.


  Later,
RickinMt.




> Peter - Can't say for sure, you maybe correct.  Notice in the same photo
> the large old fashion blow torch mounted in such a way to heat the area
> of iron around the cylinder head top.
>
> I live less than 100 miles from Medical Lake, WA. USA and didn't know of
> the engine but the State Hospital has been there for years.
>
>
> Peter Scales wrote:
> > Hi Rick
> >
> > I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid cold
> > starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would have
> > worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head. 
> > The
> > hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a 
> > decompression
> > valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall compression
> > ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 10:41:45 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530@phx.gbl>
References: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc> <44D0B1CB.7060502@atnet.net>
	<BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608031041q255e4247xcb4d89710235f744@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/08/06, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Thanks guys!!  Glow plugs on big engines is a new one to me.  Sounds
> interesting.  Air start also intrigues me with the special valving
> arrangement and proceedure.
>
>   Plan now is to head over on Monday (3rd) and get some photo's.
>
>   Couple items I don't see in the pix's is any view of cooling radiator)?)
> (Possibly what a tower was used for) or any sort of muffler.
>
>   Should be an education to say the least.
>
>
>   Later,
> RickinMt.

You petrol-heads! :-))

Glow plugs have been around on diesels since the 1930's if not
earlier, and a lot of companies played with various 'extra-heat'
gadgets over the years to try and make starting that much easier.

Air start is not that unusual, surely?  The Mount Wilson F-M twin
cylinder is air start, and most decent sized industrial diesels were
air started, same as marine engines. Even Lister offered air-starting
on the JP6 engine range, which was a bit of a sod to crank over on a
cold morning, and that was a relatively 'small' engine compared with
this baby.

Cooling was probably by tanks, although radiators or evaporators are
also a possibility.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug  3 12:47:06 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:47:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <1114.65.6.251.168.1154612600.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
	<44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>
	<1114.65.6.251.168.1154612600.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <44D252BA.9010806@scrtc.com>

Thanks Missy.  If my schedule permits, I'd love to make it to Arden.  I 
haven't been there in about 8 years.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Tommy,
>
>Arden (WNC Fall Harvest Days) will be Oct. 27-29.
>
>Missy
>
>  
>
>>Curt or Steve,
>>    What are the dates for Arden?
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, Ky
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug  3 13:18:33 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:18:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c0f7a1e1f6d6@[172.21.24.99]>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
	<p06230900c0f7a1e1f6d6@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <44D25A19.2010801@imc-group.com>

Mike Tucker wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Just so you won't be surprised and angered when you pull up to the 
> gate this year, note that the "free for exhibitors" doesn't take 
> effect until the 2007 show.
>
> Mike

Mike,
That was because they took your money a year in advance. In otherwords, 
for the last two years, you reserved your place to display a year in 
advance, and they took your money at the current years show. So that's 
why '06 was not included, because they had already taken the money up at 
the '05 show. If you didn't pay last year, you don't have a place to 
show this year. I paid the first year and grumbled about it. I refused 
this past fall, and technically don't have a place to display this year. 
Steve's note indicated he had purchased a few slots and there might be 
room for additional SEL mambers to display. You can bet if there is room 
and I display along with Steve in his spaces I will help him with that 
cost. That's only right.
For many years the SEL has set up together at Arden, and there is no 
doubt the group had the finest collection of engines on the show 
grounds. I look forward to many years of fine engine displays the SEL.
Curt



From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  3 13:34:41 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:34:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Venn-Severin engine 
In-Reply-To: <200608031600.k73G03Xw015430@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F33AA4300121D80F4D823DCC7530@phx.gbl>

The SIAM club owns a 2 cylinder V-S and it works just like this one.  Ours 
also drives generator via V-belt.  The torches are lit and heat a piece of 
metal rod (hot tube) in the cylinder head to aid in starting.  I believe 
that there are also electric glow plugs that were probably used when 
exercising the generator.  An air line is hooked up to the engine.  There is 
a lever on the the engine.  You push the lever to let air into the cylinders 
for starting.  When the engine fires you release the lever to the run 
position.  When you want to stop the engine you pull the lever until it 
stops turning.
>    9. Re: Venn-Severin engine (Richard Strobel)
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:35:50 -0600
>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Thanks guys!!  Glow plugs on big engines is a new one to me.  Sounds
>interesting.  Air start also intrigues me with the special valving
>arrangement and proceedure.
>
>   Plan now is to head over on Monday (3rd) and get some photo's.
>
>   Couple items I don't see in the pix's is any view of cooling radiator)?)
>(Possibly what a tower was used for) or any sort of muffler.
>
>   Should be an education to say the least.
>
>
>   Later,
>RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
> > Peter - Can't say for sure, you maybe correct.  Notice in the same photo
> > the large old fashion blow torch mounted in such a way to heat the area
> > of iron around the cylinder head top.
> >
> > I live less than 100 miles from Medical Lake, WA. USA and didn't know of
> > the engine but the State Hospital has been there for years.
> >
> >
> > Peter Scales wrote:
> > > Hi Rick
> > >
> > > I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid 
>cold
> > > starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would 
>have
> > > worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head.
> > > The
> > > hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a
> > > decompression
> > > valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall 
>compression
> > > ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Thu Aug  3 18:31:17 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:31:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/now a little OT
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001501c6b765$aee76ce0$6400a8c0@home>

 I did not witness it but my Father told me of plowing a drainage ditch 
through a near by very wet swamp in the early 50's using a cable plow of 
some sort . it used horses placed around a merry go round cable winch with 
block and tackle , it went really slow just a few yards per day , the turn 
table was moved when needed , the ditch is around 1 mile long and still 
visible today , after draining the swamp the peat moss dried out and it 
caught on fire by lightening and burned underground for years , they must 
have had miles of cable to do the job.

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels


> Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US? 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 09:31:56 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:31:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F33AA4300121D80F4D823DCC7530@phx.gbl>
References: <200608031600.k73G03Xw015430@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<BAY104-F33AA4300121D80F4D823DCC7530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608040931i7bf65527k474bf01c1b74db95@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/08/06, Andy Glines <andyglines at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The SIAM club owns a 2 cylinder V-S and it works just like this one.  Ours
> also drives generator via V-belt.  The torches are lit and heat a piece of
> metal rod (hot tube) in the cylinder head to aid in starting.  I believe
> that there are also electric glow plugs that were probably used when
> exercising the generator.  An air line is hooked up to the engine.  There is
> a lever on the the engine.  You push the lever to let air into the cylinders
> for starting.  When the engine fires you release the lever to the run
> position.  When you want to stop the engine you pull the lever until it
> stops turning.

The engine probably wouldn't sustain running without a decent load, so
the glow plugs are possibly to keep it running on small loads or, as
you say, excercising the alternator or testing the setup.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Aug  4 13:00:59 2006
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:00:59 +0100
Subject: [SEL] cooper little wonder
Message-ID: <001601c6b800$b6b40640$f580e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi guys ,
            I may have the chance to purchase one of these engines next month at auction , but it doesn't have the correct mag ( what should it be?) the carb also may be the wrong type (what should it be ?) 
            Are these parts easily obtainable down under?


    Thanks in advance, Craig in Scotland

From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Aug  4 14:57:09 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:57:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] cooper little wonder
In-Reply-To: <001601c6b800$b6b40640$f580e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <001601c6b800$b6b40640$f580e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060805075337.01aa48e0@ncable.com.au>

G'day Craig, mate these parts are not easily obtained in Oz, a magi 
would not be to hard however your carbie will be hard to come by. 
Many cooper little wonders have had the original magis replace with 
lucas rs1's should you get stuck. The brass carbies are often broken 
and were often taken for scrap metal prices in past years.
regards Russell

At 06:00 AM 5/08/2006, you wrote:
>Hi guys ,
>             I may have the chance to purchase one of these engines 
> next month at auction , but it doesn't have the correct mag ( what 
> should it be?) the carb also may be the wrong type (what should it be ?)
>             Are these parts easily obtainable down under?
>
>
>     Thanks in advance, Craig in Scotland
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sat Aug  5 02:56:25 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:56:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Updates
Message-ID: <44D46B49.3070402@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

Been a bit quiet of late, due to all sorts of factors, such as work 
(bleugh!), holidays and entertaining foreign guests for whom "Jim & 
Dolly's" comes pretty high up on the itinery!
The last guests were Kerry and Ruth Morris, who spent a few days with us 
between their tour of the British Isles and Italy.  We did some of the 
local canal stuff with them, and also visited Stamford, home of the 
Blackstone, and they left here with camera chips empty and laundry done 
ready for the next stage of their marathon journey.
So, I've been updating our website since then.  My webbing speed is 
somewhere between that of Patrick and Arnie, so I've added pages for the 
1000 Engine Rally 2005 and 2006, plus a great show we visited in 
Cornwall with Arnie - they can be found at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/shows.htm
Plus there's a page for Jim's new toy, a Ransoms crawler, at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/mg.htm
And finally, one for the engine Jim is currently working on at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/unknown.htm
Any ideas of what it is?

Enjoy at your leisure!

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  5 06:25:20 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:25:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
Message-ID: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All you experts,
         The cylinder head water jacket of the Wolseley "R" I'm working on 
has a pretty thick layer of scale in it and the only access is through the 
1 1/2" outlet pipe hole and the water slots below the head.

         Is there an acid or something that I can soak it in to remove this 
that will not do damage to the cast iron? Try not to mention "trade names" 
as proprietary products available in your part of the world may not 
necessarily be available here.

         What other ideas are there for doing this - I could probably boil 
it in vinegar for some time as I know that this cleans the scale out of 
kettles, taps (faucets) and shower roses but do not know how effective it 
would be on 60 odd years of scale build up in a water jacket. The engine 
comes from a part of South Africa that has what we call "brack" or "hard" 
water - this is water that has a lot of minerals and salts in it and builds 
up a layer of this scale in anything carrying the water (pipes and the like).

         I look forward to your answers.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From rwenig at telus.net  Sat Aug  5 08:08:52 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:08:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>

Hello Jerry,
	Of the safer acids to use, boiling in vinegar should work as you say 
but it will take awhile. Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. 
Next is the more dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid. I assume you 
know how to handle acids safely. Rinse thoroughly with baking soda in 
the final cleaning step to neutralize any left over acid.

	On the other hand- if there happen to be any live steam hobbyists or 
for that matter any full size live steam operators in your area. They 
should know how to remove the scale and should have a treatment to help 
prevent further scaling.

Rupert

Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi All you experts,
>         The cylinder head water jacket of the Wolseley "R" I'm working 
> on has a pretty thick layer of scale in it and the only access is 
> through the 1 1/2" outlet pipe hole and the water slots below the head.
> 
>         Is there an acid or something that I can soak it in to remove 
> this that will not do damage to the cast iron? Try not to mention "trade 
> names" as proprietary products available in your part of the world may 
> not necessarily be available here.
> 
>         What other ideas are there for doing this - I could probably 
> boil it in vinegar for some time as I know that this cleans the scale 
> out of kettles, taps (faucets) and shower roses but do not know how 
> effective it would be on 60 odd years of scale build up in a water 
> jacket. The engine comes from a part of South Africa that has what we 
> call "brack" or "hard" water - this is water that has a lot of minerals 
> and salts in it and builds up a layer of this scale in anything carrying 
> the water (pipes and the like).
> 
>         I look forward to your answers.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans 
> ---
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> 
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> 

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Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Aug  5 09:44:10 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:44:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
Message-ID: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>

Muriatic acid and Hydrochloric acid are one and the same thing.  Often sold
as "brick acid" for cleaning brickwork.  I'd be tempted to use it dilute, at
about 10%.  It should do a good job of eating limescale, but will do a good
job of eating cast  iron too if given time, so rinsing with baking soda or
washing soda is definitely a good idea.  It does a good job of eating flesh
as well, at the higher concentrations.

"Always do what you oughter, add acid to water" when diluting.  If you do
get any on yourself, baking or washing soda will neutralise, followed by a
rinse in copious water.

Vinegar will do the job, but more slowly.  Proprietary kettle descalers will
also work - they are often formulated from sulfonamic acid or formic acid if
you find either of those easier to come by.  They're closer to vinegar than
to hydrochloric acid.

To prevent future scaling up, try using rainwater as coolant.  It's as close
to distilled water as you can get for free.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rupert Wenig
> Sent: 05 August 2006 16:09
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
> 
> Hello Jerry,
> 	Of the safer acids to use, boiling in vinegar should 
> work as you say 
> but it will take awhile. Next, muriatic acid should take out 
> the scale. 
> Next is the more dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid. I 
> assume you 
> know how to handle acids safely. Rinse thoroughly with baking soda in 
> the final cleaning step to neutralize any left over acid.
> 
> 	On the other hand- if there happen to be any live steam 
> hobbyists or 
> for that matter any full size live steam operators in your area. They 
> should know how to remove the scale and should have a 
> treatment to help 
> prevent further scaling.
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Jerry Evans wrote:
> > Hi All you experts,
> >         The cylinder head water jacket of the Wolseley "R" 
> I'm working 
> > on has a pretty thick layer of scale in it and the only access is 
> > through the 1 1/2" outlet pipe hole and the water slots 
> below the head.
> > 
> >         Is there an acid or something that I can soak it in 
> to remove 
> > this that will not do damage to the cast iron? Try not to 
> mention "trade 
> > names" as proprietary products available in your part of 
> the world may 
> > not necessarily be available here.
> > 
> >         What other ideas are there for doing this - I could 
> probably 
> > boil it in vinegar for some time as I know that this cleans 
> the scale 
> > out of kettles, taps (faucets) and shower roses but do not know how 
> > effective it would be on 60 odd years of scale build up in a water 
> > jacket. The engine comes from a part of South Africa that 
> has what we 
> > call "brack" or "hard" water - this is water that has a lot 
> of minerals 
> > and salts in it and builds up a layer of this scale in 
> anything carrying 
> > the water (pipes and the like).
> > 
> >         I look forward to your answers.
> > 
> > Keep the revs up (or down)
> > Jerry Evans
> > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> > Tel. (016) 365-5787
> > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> > www.oldengine.org/members/evans 
> > ---
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> > 
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> --
> yvt
> 
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
> 		
> http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 10:38:14 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:38:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>
	<44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
Message-ID: <45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>

> Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. Next is the more 
> dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid.

They're the same thing. :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 10:40:18 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <230aadf5e109c51d0a8f8ad83ed44126@chartertn.net>

> To prevent future scaling up, try using rainwater as coolant.  It's as 
> close
> to distilled water as you can get for free.

Nowadays, you even get acid in it for free! Probably helps with 
removing some of the old scale.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Aug  5 11:07:48 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:07:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <230aadf5e109c51d0a8f8ad83ed44126@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <C0FA2C84.2013%rskinner@rustyiron.com>




On 8/5/06 10:40 AM, "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:

> Nowadays, you even get acid in it for free! Probably helps with
> removing some of the old scale.

Before one goes to these lengths, one should ask oneself, "Do I really want
to remove the mineral deposits that are sealing up the invisible cracks,
distorted flanges, and buggered up pipe fittings?"

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com








From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  5 11:14:08 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:14:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <200608051600.k75G04nl025249@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/08/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:56:25 +0100
>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>
>Hi Folks
>
>Been a bit quiet of late, due to all sorts of factors, such as work
>(bleugh!), holidays and entertaining foreign guests for whom "Jim &
>Dolly's" comes pretty high up on the itinery!
>The last guests were Kerry and Ruth Morris, who spent a few days with us
>between their tour of the British Isles and Italy.  We did some of the
>local canal stuff with them, and also visited Stamford, home of the
>Blackstone, and they left here with camera chips empty and laundry done
>ready for the next stage of their marathon journey.
>So, I've been updating our website since then.  My webbing speed is
>somewhere between that of Patrick and Arnie, so I've added pages for the
>1000 Engine Rally 2005 and 2006, plus a great show we visited in
>Cornwall with Arnie - they can be found at
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/shows.htm
>Plus there's a page for Jim's new toy, a Ransoms crawler, at
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/mg.htm
>And finally, one for the engine Jim is currently working on at
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/unknown.htm
>Any ideas of what it is?
>Enjoy at your leisure!
>Dolly

Hello Dolly,
         Thanks for the pics - that crawler is really a nice toy - just 
what I'd love. What engine does it have - is it English or Yank (the engine) ?
         That small "mystery engine" looks like something built by a guy in 
Newcastle Aus. - I'm sure you know who I mean :-)

         As far as web pages go I'm in the same boat as you - just putting 
the finishing touches to a few pages from shows that happened last year - 
oh well - better late than never. Just don't try to compete with Patrick. 
Although he denies it - I'm convinced that he has someone in the car with 
him on the way back from a show doing it on a laptop and uploading via 
satellite. Then when he gets home and writes a quick note to the Lists.  :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Aug  5 11:26:54 2006
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:26:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>

John, 

A question, isn't muriatic acid a weaker solution of hydrochloric acid?

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale


>> Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. Next is the more 
>> dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid.
> 
> They're the same thing. :-)
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Sat Aug  5 11:41:38 2006
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:41:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gib key
References: <44D46B49.3070402@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001a01c6b8be$c9302330$6401a8c0@office>

Hi fellas,
    Are keys generally made of a stronger steel then the common bar stock found in Lowes, Home 
Depot, or Tractor Supply? I need to make my own since I can't find a supplier that has the size key 
I need, which is  5/8 X 1/2 X 12 inches.
Thanks,
John 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 12:12:47 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:12:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
Message-ID: <f89af18d24829284f72014ffba0190fe@chartertn.net>

I'll have to go look at my jug and see if it lists a concentration...

It's 20%.

Concentrated hydrochloric acid in the chemistry lab is usually 33%, and 
can go up to about 40%.

The "muriatic" name is an old one, probably dating back to the days of 
alchemy.

John

On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Gary Epps wrote:

> John,
> A question, isn't muriatic acid a weaker solution of hydrochloric acid?
>
> Gary


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 12:16:13 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:16:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale - now muriatic acid 
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
Message-ID: <9614a56eadd3f70633d7468fbb48b601@chartertn.net>

Ah! Here's a nice history including the name: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From driggars at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  5 12:13:54 2006
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:13:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
Message-ID: <44D4EDF2.4090309@earthlink.net>

Gary

They are both the same thing

Clint


Gary Epps wrote:

> John,
> A question, isn't muriatic acid a weaker solution of hydrochloric acid?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
>
>
>>> Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. Next is the more 
>>> dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid.
>>
>>
>> They're the same thing. :-)
>>
>> John Culp
>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Aug  5 15:56:57 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 06:56:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Jerry Evans...a reply!
Message-ID: <000f01c6b8e2$77ed06e0$eec631cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Jerry ,I would appreciate some kind of response to the email i sent you 
regarding your mates visit to Australia.The question pertained to whether or 
not your friend was self driving or not.
I imagine that this information would be of benefit to others as well.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug  5 17:53:26 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:53:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine
Message-ID: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>

I was looking at a Mercury Mariner Hybrid vehicle today and this is the 
specs it listed for the engine.

2.3L I-4 Atkinson-Cycle Engine

Now I wonder, is this the same Atkinson Cycle that we in the old engine 
world are familiar with?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



From rwenig at telus.net  Sat Aug  5 17:57:35 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:57:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is diluted so it is not 
so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid separately.

Rupert

Peter Scales wrote:
> Muriatic acid and Hydrochloric acid are one and the same thing.  Often sold
> as "brick acid" for cleaning brickwork.  I'd be tempted to use it dilute, at
> about 10%.  It should do a good job of eating limescale, but will do a good
> job of eating cast  iron too if given time, so rinsing with baking soda or
> washing soda is definitely a good idea.  It does a good job of eating flesh
> as well, at the higher concentrations.
> 
> "Always do what you oughter, add acid to water" when diluting.  If you do
> get any on yourself, baking or washing soda will neutralise, followed by a
> rinse in copious water.
> 
> Vinegar will do the job, but more slowly.  Proprietary kettle descalers will
> also work - they are often formulated from sulfonamic acid or formic acid if
> you find either of those easier to come by.  They're closer to vinegar than
> to hydrochloric acid.
> 
> To prevent future scaling up, try using rainwater as coolant.  It's as close
> to distilled water as you can get for free.
> 
> Regards
> 
>      Pete

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Sat Aug  5 18:06:05 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale - now muriatic acid
In-Reply-To: <9614a56eadd3f70633d7468fbb48b601@chartertn.net>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
	<9614a56eadd3f70633d7468fbb48b601@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <44D5407D.3010206@telus.net>

Hello John,
	Thanks for posting the enlightening link. I stand corrected and learned 
something today.

Rupert

John Culp wrote:
> Ah! Here's a nice history including the name: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> 

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Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Aug  5 19:15:14 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:15:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The Atkinson is a very efficient engine. The linkages were the weakness.
Modern technology should have this taken care of.
Interesting to see what this develops to.
However, I just looked at those specs and it refers to valve timing so I
have doubts.
Also, the engine pic leads me to doubt if it is a true Atkinson cycle.
One of the new design ideas that I think has possibilities is the camless 
engine where the valves are worked by solenoids and the timing is computer 
controlled. Instant change with working conditions.
 But, like all complex stuff, ok till it breaks down!! <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine


>I was looking at a Mercury Mariner Hybrid vehicle today and this is the
>specs it listed for the engine.
>
> 2.3L I-4 Atkinson-Cycle Engine
>
> Now I wonder, is this the same Atkinson Cycle that we in the old engine
> world are familiar with?
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From segray at mlode.com  Sat Aug  5 20:53:29 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:53:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <44D567B9.2070905@mlode.com>

Yep. Ford (International) has been looking into a camless version of 
their Power Stroke diesels for the last few years. With the miseries 
that I experienced (overall 'puter problems) with the SAAB (GMC) a 
couple of years ago, I hate to think of the possibilities of serious 
down time!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



R & M Ingold wrote:

> <snip>

One of the new design ideas that I think has possibilities is the 
camless engine where the valves are worked by solenoids and the timing 
is computer controlled. Instant change with working conditions.

> But, like all complex stuff, ok till it breaks down!! <G>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:53 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine
>
>
>> I was looking at a Mercury Mariner Hybrid vehicle today and this is the
>> specs it listed for the engine.
>>
>> 2.3L I-4 Atkinson-Cycle Engine
>>
>> Now I wonder, is this the same Atkinson Cycle that we in the old engine
>> world are familiar with?
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, Ky
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug  5 22:29:38 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:29:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <44D567B9.2070905@mlode.com>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>	<017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<44D567B9.2070905@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <44D57E42.1030603@steamengine.com.au>

There are already quite a few camless engines around - Honda had one in the 1970's - trouble is when the computer failed 
the default position for the valves was all open! Made a bit of a mess.

I've seen an engine design without cams that used slide valves opened by eccentrics - much like a steam engine. I'm not 
sure how well the surfaces would stand up long term. This sort of technology disappeared from steam engines because the 
large flat surfaces wore too quickly.

Regards
Paul

Steve Gray wrote:
> Yep. Ford (International) has been looking into a camless version of 
> their Power Stroke diesels for the last few years. With the miseries 
> that I experienced (overall 'puter problems) with the SAAB (GMC) a 
> couple of years ago, I hate to think of the possibilities of serious 
> down time!
> 
> - Steve
> 

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Aug  6 00:07:35 2006
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:07:35 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Gib key
In-Reply-To: <001a01c6b8be$c9302330$6401a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

I've made mine out of standard Key Steel which is a little better than mild
steel. It can be hardened. Original gib keys I have worked with seem to be
the same material.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Cullom
Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2006 2:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Gib key

Hi fellas,
    Are keys generally made of a stronger steel then the common bar stock
found in Lowes, Home 
Depot, or Tractor Supply? I need to make my own since I can't find a
supplier that has the size key 
I need, which is  5/8 X 1/2 X 12 inches.
Thanks,
John 


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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Aug  6 00:31:07 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:31:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester
Message-ID: <44D59ABB.60208@steamengine.com.au>

I'm looking for a manual for a Champion Spark Plug Cleaner Tester. It looks like this one:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/images/carjpg/autjpg/1508_34.jpg

Regards
Paul

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Aug  6 01:20:43 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:20:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
Message-ID: <000601c6b931$3633d360$8335c53e@doc>

Pretty sure :-)


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rupert Wenig
> Sent: 06 August 2006 01:58
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 	Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is 
> diluted so it is not 
> so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid 
> separately.
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Peter Scales wrote:
> > Muriatic acid and Hydrochloric acid are one and the same 
> thing.  Often sold
> > as "brick acid" for cleaning brickwork.  




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug  6 03:56:03 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 10:56:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080620061056.6859.44D5CAC3000938FA00001ACB219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years ago 
when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper and 
found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't 
want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and requires 
the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Aug  6 03:56:21 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:56:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
In-Reply-To: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>


>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day 
>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the 
>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor 
>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project. 
>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the 
>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)

Better start on the next one.

Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
Russ


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Aug  6 04:31:03 2006
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:31:03 +1000
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>

G'day Russell
Top stuff! good to hear you got it to go. has been a long restoration but it 
is always worth it at the end! i dare say a few beers were enjoyed that 
day!!
   Cheers
        Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!


>
>>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day
>>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the
>>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor
>>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project.
>>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the
>>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)
>
> Better start on the next one.
>
> Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
> Russ
>
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Aug  6 04:38:59 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:38:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
References: <080620061056.6859.44D5CAC3000938FA00001ACB219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c6b94c$ea41c630$4ba40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1>

I have heard the old timers used water glass for this problem.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "Old eng list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "SEL Lists" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks


>
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years 
> ago
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper 
> and
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water 
> hopper
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if
> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas. 
> Don't
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and 
> requires
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Aug  6 05:29:14 2006
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:29:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester
References: <44D59ABB.60208@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <000d01c6b953$ee3f2e60$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

paul, i have a champion plug cleaner similar to yours, but no manual, 
sorry,, i am looking for the rubber discs the plugs are inserted into for 
cleaning, have any ideas where to find them ?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester


> I'm looking for a manual for a Champion Spark Plug Cleaner Tester. It 
> looks like this one:
>
> http://www.barrett-jackson.com/images/carjpg/autjpg/1508_34.jpg
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> -- 
>
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
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>
> 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Aug  6 05:53:54 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:53:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester
In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b953$ee3f2e60$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <44D59ABB.60208@steamengine.com.au>
	<000d01c6b953$ee3f2e60$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <44D5E662.1010203@steamengine.com.au>

Why not make them? Go to a gasket / sealing supplier - they should be able to give you raw material or even cut them for 
you if you don't have punches.

Paul

Bill Boyce wrote:
> paul, i have a champion plug cleaner similar to yours, but no manual, 
> sorry,, i am looking for the rubber discs the plugs are inserted into 
> for cleaning, have any ideas where to find them ?
> bill boyce

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Aug  6 07:10:56 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:10:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <44D57E42.1030603@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <200608061412.k76EB8JW034332@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Pavlinovich
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology

I've seen an engine design without cams that used slide valves opened by
eccentrics - much like a steam engine. I'm not 
sure how well the surfaces would stand up long term. This sort of technology
disappeared from steam engines because the 
large flat surfaces wore too quickly.

Regards
Paul

~~~~~~~~

Some of the early Otto IC engines had slide valves, too, didn't they?

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Aug  6 07:22:44 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:22:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <080620061056.6859.44D5CAC3000938FA00001ACB219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200608061423.k76EMqsA058167@mail-gw.fsr.net>

I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
silicate).  

http://www.mcmaster.com/

Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.

McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go. 

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:56 AM
To: Old eng list; SEL Lists
Subject: Water Hopper leaks

Hi All,
Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years
ago 
when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper
and 
found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't

want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and
requires 
the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Aug  6 08:15:52 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:15:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <200608061412.k76EB8JW034332@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <200608061412.k76EB8JW034332@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <44D607A8.6050701@steamengine.com.au>

You're quite right Orrin.

I just ran an mpg I took at a show on one of my usa visits when I was lucky enough to see three of them running 
side-by-side and slide valves are evident.

Paul

Orrin Iseminger wrote:

> 
> Some of the early Otto IC engines had slide valves, too, didn't they?
> 
> Orrin
> 
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug  6 10:36:46 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:36:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <c0b.503262.320782ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/6/2006 10:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
oiseming at moscow.com writes:

<< I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
 silicate) >>


Wasn't there a whole discussion on "rusting" small cracks a while back on the 
list?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From MBellar at aol.com  Sun Aug  6 11:41:40 2006
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:41:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <536.6f006953.320791e4@aol.com>

Curt;
 
My Instruction book for the 1.5 HP Mc D suggests that for small cracks you  
should fill the jacket high enough to cover the crack with salammoniac solution 
 ( ammonium chloride) (one pound to the gallon) let stand 30 min, drain and 
run  engine 5 min. to warm jacket. Stop engine and put solution back into 
jacket and  repeat process 3-4 times. 
 
Reference: Instructions for operating the McCORMIC-DEERING 1 1/2 H.P.  ENGINE 
MC-D 3062 7 1/2 M -10-29-31.
 
Tom Bellar

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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug  6 12:45:00 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:45:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <44D646BC.8050603@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Jerry

The crawler has an English Ransomes Simms & Jeffries air cooled, 600cc 
single cylinder engine with dry sump and automatic centrifugal clutch 
going to a 4:1 gearbox.  It does the work of 2 horses at 3mph - or so it 
says in the hand book.  Reg might disagree with that, eh, Reg??

Hopefully, next weekend will be the first trip out for the MG5, to a 
local working weekend.

Dolly

Jerry Evans wrote:

>
> Hello Dolly,
>         Thanks for the pics - that crawler is really a nice toy - just 
> what I'd love. What engine does it have - is it English or Yank (the 
> engine) ?
>         That small "mystery engine" looks like something built by a 
> guy in Newcastle Aus. - I'm sure you know who I mean :-)
>
>         As far as web pages go I'm in the same boat as you - just 
> putting the finishing touches to a few pages from shows that happened 
> last year - oh well - better late than never. Just don't try to 
> compete with Patrick. Although he denies it - I'm convinced that he 
> has someone in the car with him on the way back from a show doing it 
> on a laptop and uploading via satellite. Then when he gets home and 
> writes a quick note to the Lists.  :-)
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 13:12:32 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:12:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc> <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>         Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is diluted so it is not
> so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid separately.
>
> Rupert

Rupert:

Muriatic Acid is the older name for Hydrochloric Acid, before the name
reflected the chemical composition/ingredients.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug  6 14:07:20 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list 
In-Reply-To: <c0b.503262.320782ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Guys
I have a question and this does not pertain to the list but I sure do need
some help with this problem. I'm disabled and live on a small income. I have
a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am that has a bad dimmer switch that is about ready to
go out. For what they want to replace this switch is more than what I bring
home each month. What I want to do is rewire the dim headlights with a
toggle switch in side the car and bypass the dimmer switch all together. I'm
not worrying about having bright headlights as dim lights will do just fine
for no more than I drive my car.  I know how to wire the old cars before
they had computers and my concern is, how can I do this without the car
battery going dead when the light are on? Has any one done this or does any
one know if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Any help on this would be
deeply appreciated. 

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 







From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Aug  6 14:28:03 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:28:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<44D646BC.8050603@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <025601c6b99f$37a44950$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The one I had never did the work of two wet mice, never mind two horses!!!
Only good for going downhill. Flat surfaces had it stuffed! Biggest waste of 
metal I ever came across. Mind you, I wanted it to work, not be a show pony.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5


> Hi Jerry
>
> The crawler has an English Ransomes Simms & Jeffries air cooled, 600cc 
> single cylinder engine with dry sump and automatic centrifugal clutch 
> going to a 4:1 gearbox.  It does the work of 2 horses at 3mph - or so it 
> says in the hand book.  Reg might disagree with that, eh, Reg??
>
> Hopefully, next weekend will be the first trip out for the MG5, to a local 
> working weekend.
>
> Dolly
>
> Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Dolly,
>>         Thanks for the pics - that crawler is really a nice toy - just 
>> what I'd love. What engine does it have - is it English or Yank (the 
>> engine) ?
>>         That small "mystery engine" looks like something built by a guy 
>> in Newcastle Aus. - I'm sure you know who I mean :-)
>>
>>         As far as web pages go I'm in the same boat as you - just putting 
>> the finishing touches to a few pages from shows that happened last year - 
>> oh well - better late than never. Just don't try to compete with Patrick. 
>> Although he denies it - I'm convinced that he has someone in the car with 
>> him on the way back from a show doing it on a laptop and uploading via 
>> satellite. Then when he gets home and writes a quick note to the Lists. 
>> :-)
>>
> -- 
>
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Aug  6 14:43:32 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:43:32 +1000
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
In-Reply-To: <001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>
	<001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060807074029.01aad590@ncable.com.au>

Thanks Mick, yes it has been quite a while since it was started. You 
got it right however, a beer or two went down real nice last night. 
Dad has done quite a bit of work on the engine with me and he was 
present at the start. He was/is more excited than me I think. Time to 
pull another one into the work shop.
cheers, Russ

At 09:31 PM 6/08/2006, you wrote:
>G'day Russell
>Top stuff! good to hear you got it to go. has been a long restoration but it
>is always worth it at the end! i dare say a few beers were enjoyed that
>day!!
>    Cheers
>         Mick
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:56 PM
>Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
>
>
> >
> >>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day
> >>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the
> >>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor
> >>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project.
> >>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the
> >>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)
> >
> > Better start on the next one.
> >
> > Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
> > Russ
> >
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug  6 14:50:26 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:50:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
Message-ID: <173642405.1154901026164.JavaMail.root@fepweb08>

Lyle, when I get to the shop tomorrow I'll look up the diagram and give you an idea what to do.
J.B.Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Aug  6 15:07:42 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  6 Aug 2006 18:07:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Land Grab & SEL Dinner
Message-ID: <1154902062.44d6682eb9781@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Well we had some really great news at Findlay this weekend.

Bob Matthews is gonna be at Portland Thursday and will be able to stake out an
area for the SEL to setup together.  Leroy Clark will be able to help out some,
but it sure would be GREAT if anyone is going to be at Portland for the Friday
land grab if they could go to the list area and help Bob out.

Dave also asked me to remind everyone that the SEL Dinner is Thursday at the
Back Forty in Decatur.  If you're planning on attending the dinner, be sure to
email Dave and let him know how many will be in your party.  He needs to let
the Back Forty folks know how many to expect.

Dave's email is:  rotigel at alltel.net

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

PS - If you missed Findlay this year you probably missed the most perfect show
of the season!!  Make sure to put it on your list for NEXT year!!






From mullt at att.net  Sun Aug  6 13:54:30 2006
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:54:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080620062054.25172.44D657060004E2E00000625421603760219B04049A03@att.net>

You might try a mixture of water and Elmer's white glue or equivalent. I think you could do about 4 parts water to one part glue. Put the mixture in the hopper, slosh it around a little, empty it out and let it dry.

The water/glue mix should penitrate the crack enough to fill it. When it drys and hardens, it seals any cracks. Be sure to cover any small openings that you don't want sealed.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years ago 
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper and 
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't 
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and requires 
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Aug  6 15:59:53 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:59:53 +0100
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au><001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060807074029.01aad590@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001801c6b9ac$088d28a0$3ac10b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!


> Thanks Mick, yes it has been quite a while since it was started. You 
> got it right however, a beer or two went down real nice last night. 
> Dad has done quite a bit of work on the engine with me and he was 
> present at the start. He was/is more excited than me I think. Time to 
> pull another one into the work shop.
> cheers, Russ

Hi Russell, I checked your webshots page & found out it was a Warwick Eagle
you were on about.
They are quite rare here in England.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Aug  6 21:03:20 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:03:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
In-Reply-To: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
References: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <44D6BB88.2080105@telus.net>

Hello Lyle,
	I don't see any learned replies so I'll take a stab at it. Hope it helps.
	It sounds to me that the dash has to be taken apart if they are 
charging you so much. You probably will have to do that to to add a 
toggle switch. I haven't worked on a Grand Am but I have changed dimmer 
switches on other vehicles. The plastic has to come off the steering 
column and the steering wheel has to come off. You may have to remove 
the instrument cluster to get at the connector. Both are not difficult. 
It just takes time. In other words, I'm saying to take a good look at it 
as you probably can change the dimmer switch yourself.

Rupert

Lyle Myles wrote:
> Guys
> I have a question and this does not pertain to the list but I sure do need
> some help with this problem. I'm disabled and live on a small income. I have
> a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am that has a bad dimmer switch that is about ready to
> go out. For what they want to replace this switch is more than what I bring
> home each month. What I want to do is rewire the dim headlights with a
> toggle switch in side the car and bypass the dimmer switch all together. I'm
> not worrying about having bright headlights as dim lights will do just fine
> for no more than I drive my car.  I know how to wire the old cars before
> they had computers and my concern is, how can I do this without the car
> battery going dead when the light are on? Has any one done this or does any
> one know if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Any help on this would be
> deeply appreciated. 
> 
> Lyle Myles
> 
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Aug  7 00:03:59 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:03:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
In-Reply-To: <44D6BB88.2080105@telus.net>
References: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
	<44D6BB88.2080105@telus.net>
Message-ID: <44D6E5DF.4030301@telus.net>

Hello Lyle,
	You probably know this but disconnect the battery first specially if 
there is an air bag in the steering wheel.

Rupert

Rupert Wenig wrote:
> Hello Lyle,
>     I don't see any learned replies so I'll take a stab at it. Hope it 
> helps.
>     It sounds to me that the dash has to be taken apart if they are 
> charging you so much. You probably will have to do that to to add a 
> toggle switch. I haven't worked on a Grand Am but I have changed dimmer 
> switches on other vehicles. The plastic has to come off the steering 
> column and the steering wheel has to come off. You may have to remove 
> the instrument cluster to get at the connector. Both are not difficult. 
> It just takes time. In other words, I'm saying to take a good look at it 
> as you probably can change the dimmer switch yourself.
> 
> Rupert
> 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Aug  7 00:39:32 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:39:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c6b9f4$9fc2f270$5f11fea9@merlin>

good stuff Russell good  to hear you got it running 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Eagle has landed!


> 
>>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day 
>>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the 
>>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor 
>>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project. 
>>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the 
>>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)
> 
> Better start on the next one.
> 
> Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
> Russ
> 
> 
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:07:33 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:07:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060907.2940.44D702D5000056B200000B7C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Tom,
Only problem is my F&J is a hit n miss runner and would take a long time for 
the water to get hot enough.  Ive got an engine like yours and doesn't take 
long to boil water.
thanks,
Curt


> Curt;
>  
> My Instruction book for the 1.5 HP Mc D suggests that for small cracks you  
> should fill the jacket high enough to cover the crack with salammoniac solution 
>  ( ammonium chloride) (one pound to the gallon) let stand 30 min, drain and 
> run  engine 5 min. to warm jacket. Stop engine and put solution back into 
> jacket and  repeat process 3-4 times. 
>  
> Reference: Instructions for operating the McCORMIC-DEERING 1 1/2 H.P.  ENGINE 
> MC-D 3062 7 1/2 M -10-29-31.
>  
> Tom Bellar
> 
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> <DIV>Curt;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> you=20
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> un=20
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> ENGINE MC-D 3062 7 1/2 M -10-29-31.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Tom Bellar</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:10:40 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:10:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060910.3993.44D703900009468700000F99219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Tom where can one get socium silicate?
thanks for the tip,
Curt


> In a message dated 8/6/2006 10:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> oiseming at moscow.com writes:
> 
> << I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
>  silicate) >>
> 
> 
> Wasn't there a whole discussion on "rusting" small cracks a while back on the 
> list?
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:12:32 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:12:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060912.4136.44D70400000D38E500001028219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Orrin, does it leave any kind of messy residue?
Curt


> I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
> silicate).  
> 
> http://www.mcmaster.com/
> 
> Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
> will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
> 
> McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
> friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
> hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Orrin
> 
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:56 AM
> To: Old eng list; SEL Lists
> Subject: Water Hopper leaks
> 
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years
> ago 
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper
> and 
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't
> 
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and
> requires 
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:29:00 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:29:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060929.7765.44D707DC000D278200001E55219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tom, will consider that white glue fix.
Curt


> You might try a mixture of water and Elmer's white glue or equivalent. I think 
> you could do about 4 parts water to one part glue. Put the mixture in the 
> hopper, slosh it around a little, empty it out and let it dry.
> 
> The water/glue mix should penitrate the crack enough to fill it. When it drys 
> and hardens, it seals any cracks. Be sure to cover any small openings that you 
> don't want sealed.
> 
> Tom in St. Louis
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> > Hi All,
> > Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years ago 
> > when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> > thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper and 
> > found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
> > where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> > can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
> > there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't 
> > want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and requires 
> > the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> > Thank you in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  7 05:31:14 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:31:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <200608061600.k76G06f0009447@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F12887F354AF419A33D9F80C7570@phx.gbl>

>   28. RE: Water Hopper leaks (Orrin Iseminger)
>I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
>silicate).
>
>http://www.mcmaster.com/
>
>Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
>will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
>
>McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
>friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
>hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go.
>
>Regards,
>
>Orrin
Water glass = Block Sealer = Sodium Silicate    You can also find smaller 
cans of this product at your local auto parts store.  Usually the can says 
"Block Sealer"    I agree with Orrin and the others that the block sealer is 
a good idea.




From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug  7 05:59:28 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:59:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <080720060912.4136.44D70400000D38E500001028219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200608071259.k77CxeWV046268@mail-gw.fsr.net>

No, it does not leave any kind of residue that I can see.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:13 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks

Thanks Orrin, does it leave any kind of messy residue?
Curt


> I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
> silicate).  
> 
> http://www.mcmaster.com/
> 
> Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
> will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
> 
> McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
> friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
> hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Orrin
> 
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:56 AM
> To: Old eng list; SEL Lists
> Subject: Water Hopper leaks
> 
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years
> ago 
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper
> and 
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water
hopper 
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if

> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.
Don't
> 
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and
> requires 
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Aug  7 06:01:00 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:01:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F12887F354AF419A33D9F80C7570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006201c6ba21$881236e0$8335c53e@doc>

Water glass also used to be sold for preserving eggs, in the days of my
youth.  You might therefore find it at a hardware or grocery store as well.


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Glines
> Sent: 07 August 2006 13:31
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
> 
> >   28. RE: Water Hopper leaks (Orrin Iseminger)
> >I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
> >silicate).
> >
> >http://www.mcmaster.com/
> >
> >Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on 
> "Find" and it
> >will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
> >
> >McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and 
> service is
> >friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are 
> looking for a
> >hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Orrin
> Water glass = Block Sealer = Sodium Silicate    You can also 
> find smaller 
> cans of this product at your local auto parts store.  Usually 
> the can says 
> "Block Sealer"    I agree with Orrin and the others that the 
> block sealer is 
> a good idea.
> 
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug  7 03:48:17 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:48:17 +0200
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <200608061600.k76G06f6009447@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060807122400.00af72b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hi All,

         Thanks to all the guys who responded to this post.

         I've decided to give the phosphoric acid a go (I can get some 
easily).

         What should the strength of the acid be - what I can get is 85% - 
should I dilute this and by how much?
         Thanks again.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Aug  7 10:27:38 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:27:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>
	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>
	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
Message-ID: <44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>

Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.

I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The outlet I 
was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool using a .50 
diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then using some 
fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) and the tool in 
a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball diameter. Testing with a 
new ball showed it sealed nicely.

However, the input side seat was almost gone and the ball was almost 
ready to drop thru the seat. Using a larger ball was not an option as it 
would be larger that the cap threads over the ball. My first thought was 
to fill it with Babbitt and recut the seat, but I had no Babbitt at the 
house. So I decided to use electronics solder instead. First using a 
small dremel tool I cleaned up the seat to make it brite so the solder 
would tin to the brass body. The I made a wooden plug from a dowel that 
would keep the solder out of the pipe threads underneath, and that would 
keep the cavity under the ball open. This plug was tapped in.
A bit of flux was added, the body heated with the torch and the entire 
seat area filled with solder to be flush with the seat. Once cooled, a 
transfer punch tool was used to give a starting location. The hole was 
drilled larger and larger in steps until about 5/16" diameter. Then a 
1/2" drill was used just a little to form a crude seat. Then a 1/2" ball 
was dropped in and then tapped with a brass rod and hammer. This formed 
a perfect spherical seat in the soft solder. All the was done with hand 
tools in a bench vise and was done in a half hour.

I haven't a clue how long the repair will last, but for now it is 
working great and the pump seals and keeps up with the engine. Thought 
you might want to file this one away in your bag of tricks so save an 
otherwise shot fuel pump.....
See ya,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Aug  7 11:00:02 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:00:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
In-Reply-To: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
References: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <44D77FA2.1020602@telenet.net>

Lyle,
  The 98 has relay controlled lights. They can be a PIA to wire around 
because of the way they are set up to work.
The multifunction switch itself is about 40 bucks without cruise and 64 
with cruise. They are also available from many salvage yards even 
cheaper (Usually you can buy the complete column without the steering 
wheel for less than just the switch). They are not real hard to change 
out if you have some mechanical ability. The biggest challenge is the 
connector for the cable itself.

Where are you located? Maybe there are some folks nearby who could give 
you a hand if you don't want to attempt it yourself.

http://car-part.com/index.htm
Check on there and see if a yard close by has something in stock.


Lyle Myles wrote:
> Guys
> I have a question and this does not pertain to the list but I sure do need
> some help with this problem. I'm disabled and live on a small income. I have
> a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am that has a bad dimmer switch that is about ready to
> go out. For what they want to replace this switch is more than what I bring
> home each month. What I want to do is rewire the dim headlights with a
> toggle switch in side the car and bypass the dimmer switch all together. I'm
> not worrying about having bright headlights as dim lights will do just fine
> for no more than I drive my car.  I know how to wire the old cars before
> they had computers and my concern is, how can I do this without the car
> battery going dead when the light are on? Has any one done this or does any
> one know if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Any help on this would be
> deeply appreciated. 
> 
> Lyle Myles
> 
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Aug  7 11:19:01 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:19:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>
	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>
	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
	<44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <3165.165.206.180.19.1154974741.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Stuff like this is what it's all about. Cool
Thanks.

Bill


 Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.
>
> I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The outlet I
> was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool using a .50
> diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then using some
> fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) and the tool in
> a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball diameter. Testing with a
> new ball showed it sealed nicely.
>
> However, the input side seat was almost gone and the ball was almost
> ready to drop thru the seat. Using a larger ball was not an option as it
> would be larger that the cap threads over the ball. My first thought was
> to fill it with Babbitt and recut the seat, but I had no Babbitt at the
> house. So I decided to use electronics solder instead. First using a
> small dremel tool I cleaned up the seat to make it brite so the solder
> would tin to the brass body. The I made a wooden plug from a dowel that
> would keep the solder out of the pipe threads underneath, and that would
> keep the cavity under the ball open. This plug was tapped in.
> A bit of flux was added, the body heated with the torch and the entire
> seat area filled with solder to be flush with the seat. Once cooled, a
> transfer punch tool was used to give a starting location. The hole was
> drilled larger and larger in steps until about 5/16" diameter. Then a
> 1/2" drill was used just a little to form a crude seat. Then a 1/2" ball
> was dropped in and then tapped with a brass rod and hammer. This formed
> a perfect spherical seat in the soft solder. All the was done with hand
> tools in a bench vise and was done in a half hour.
>
> I haven't a clue how long the repair will last, but for now it is
> working great and the pump seals and keeps up with the engine. Thought
> you might want to file this one away in your bag of tricks so save an
> otherwise shot fuel pump.....
> See ya,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug  7 11:27:28 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:27:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060807122400.00af72b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <200608071828.k77IRolG022702@mail-gw.fsr.net>

I've not seen any responses, yet, so will jump in with a
not-very-well-educated opinion.  

I vaguely remember from my college freshman chemistry days that (some? all?)
highly concentrated acid(s) will react more slowly than it would somewhat
diluted.  (It has to do with the presence of free ions.)  As far as how much
to dilute it, your guess is as good as mine.  

But, I have some experience with using phosphoric acid straight out of the
jug for rust removal.  The reaction is very vigorous, even on bare unrusted
iron.  IMHO, in order to give better control of the reaction, I'd dilute it.
You can experiment.  Dilute a very small quantity 4:1 and give it a try on a
test piece.  Adjust the concentration up or down based on your observation.

My tuppence.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:48 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale


>Hi All,

         Thanks to all the guys who responded to this post.

         I've decided to give the phosphoric acid a go (I can get some 
easily).

         What should the strength of the acid be - what I can get is 85% - 
should I dilute this and by how much?
         Thanks again.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Aug  7 13:18:00 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:18:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
Message-ID: <245.fda95e0.3208f9f8@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/7/2006 1:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< I haven't a clue how long the repair will last, but for now it is 
 working great and the pump seals and keeps up with the engine. >>


Curt,

Seems like the solder should last a long time. Good trick to remember.  I did 
something similar to the ball and welding rod one time, except I drilled a 
hole in the ball and drove the tang end of a chain saw file into it and a quick 
lapping tool!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 13:20:57 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:20:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <200608071828.k77IRolG022702@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060807122400.00af72b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<200608071828.k77IRolG022702@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608071320g26a00f67x4f413287c0324012@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/08/06, Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:
> I've not seen any responses, yet, so will jump in with a
> not-very-well-educated opinion.
>

Orrin:

There were quite a few responses to the original question, most of
qhich were on oldengine.org.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Aug  7 15:01:11 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:01:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
Message-ID: <20060807.180111.560.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks for the shade tree repair, Curt.

Like to see more of that kind of stuff.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
  \/)"(\/         "In the past, it was about getting freedom to chose. - 
   
  (_o_)                 Now, it about keeping our freedom. (M. Schultz)
ABATE


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Aug  7 16:41:30 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:41:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc> <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6ba7b$0290ddf0$6400a8c0@home>

Any body try drain cleaners like liquid plumber ? Just a thought  maybe too 
harsh and eat up your engine ?  I'll try it on my IHC LA .

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale


> On 06/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>>         Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is diluted so it 
>> is not
>> so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid separately.
>>
>> Rupert
>
> Rupert:
>
> Muriatic Acid is the older name for Hydrochloric Acid, before the name
> reflected the chemical composition/ingredients.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Aug  7 21:21:40 2006
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:21:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Dave Rotigel
Message-ID: <20060808061846.6E52B62782A@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org>

Hi, Does anyone have a phone # for Dave? I'm trying to catch him before
Portland. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan,415  892  0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Aug  8 07:57:59 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:57:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Dave Rotigel
Message-ID: <20060808.105956.1012.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Try these Jim.


724-668-7897
Cell Phone # 724.433.6724


 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
  \/)"(\/         "In the past, it was about getting freedom to chose. - 
   
  (_o_)                 Now, it about keeping our freedom. (M. Schultz)
ABATE


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Tue Aug  8 13:14:37 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction At. Portland
Message-ID: <002301c6bb27$471dece0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

In the early years of the SEL Bernie Hartmann, a SEL member
and very good friend of mine, died of Lou Gehrigs disease
(ALS). Each year SEL has made a donation from the charity auction
to the Les Turner ALS Foundation in honor of Bernie. One year I bought 2  Walterscheid Tractor calendars donated by John "Sixm" Hammink . These calendars are for the years 1989 and 1992 and are 12 x 16 inches in size. At the Portland SEL charity auction 
this month I am donating these calendars to the charity auction 
in memory of Bernie and John. The calendars include the envelope (with stamps) and a letter from John. I have sent Dave R. a photo
of these and maybe he will post them on a website.

Many thanks to Spencer Yost (and Brice Adams in the early years)
and all you SEL Guy and Gals for sponsoring such a worthy auction.

From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Tue Aug  8 15:05:26 2006
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:05:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Calcification removal
In-Reply-To: <200608081600.k78G044B026976@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <FF35A44D-2729-11DB-8079-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

You can always heat the part to ~700F to dehydrate the carbunkles and 
allow easy removal. I have been doing this for years using an old kiln. 
Also removed the grime allowing one to see cracks real easy. I did this 
on a couple of oilfield engines with plugged ported cylinders (ARACOs) 
and it worked like a champ.  Slow heating is the operative phrase here.

Paul



From dleis at centurytel.net  Tue Aug  8 19:00:22 2006
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:00:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] cushman R-12 question
Message-ID: <005701c6bb57$935afb40$0501a8c0@computer>

Hi Everyone 

     I need to replace the two frost plugs on the bottom of the water hopper on my R-14 if someone could tell me where to find the frost plugs I would appreciate it? thank you see at Baraboo :-)

                                                           Stacy 

p.s. 
      does anyone have or no someone that has barrett's esophagus because I have that and in march I had it looked at and  the test come back pre-cancers  so I went back in June and it was the same. so if know someone that has went through this if you could e-mail my off list at dleis at centurytel.net I would appreciate it. thank you


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Aug  8 18:39:12 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hauling Needed
In-Reply-To: <005701c6bb57$935afb40$0501a8c0@computer>
Message-ID: <20060809013912.79401.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello All

I have an engine near Portland, OR that needs a ride to the Chicagoland
area.  The catalog weight of the engine is around 450 lbs, but it is on a
cart so add 100 lbs for that.

If anyone is coming out east and can assist in getting it closer, I would
appreciate it.  I need to get something setup in the next week.

Thanks

Steve Barr


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From segray at mlode.com  Tue Aug  8 22:04:03 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:04:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] R&V help
Message-ID: <44D96CC2.5010101@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   I finally drug out my 2 HP R&V Triumph last night to start some of 
the clean up/repair process. All the valve train items, rocker, rocker 
mount, ignitor trip, etc., had been "farmer" fabricated many years ago 
out of steel plate. During the last 5 years I obtained unmachined repro 
castings of the parts, but have nothing in the way of pictures to go by 
for details. Anyone in engine land got a decent close up of the rocker 
arm area and maybe the ignitor trip? None of my literature has anything 
usable. Thanks in advance!!

- Regards,
     Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Aug  9 00:32:58 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:32:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V help
References: <44D96CC2.5010101@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <003301c6bb87$18d5c640$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Steve, the best I can do is send the info from the model prints. Get back to 
me and I will copy them and email em to you.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] R&V help


> Hi All -
>
>   I finally drug out my 2 HP R&V Triumph last night to start some of the 
> clean up/repair process. All the valve train items, rocker, rocker mount, 
> ignitor trip, etc., had been "farmer" fabricated many years ago out of 
> steel plate. During the last 5 years I obtained unmachined repro castings 
> of the parts, but have nothing in the way of pictures to go by for 
> details. Anyone in engine land got a decent close up of the rocker arm 
> area and maybe the ignitor trip? None of my literature has anything 
> usable. Thanks in advance!!
>
> - Regards,
>     Steve
>
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug  9 03:28:11 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:28:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] R&V help
Message-ID: <080920061028.3999.44D9B8BB0001AB0F00000F9F219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Steve,
Ive got one of those engines and maybe can help.  Let me exactly what you 
wanting.
Curt Andree


> Hi All -
> 
>    I finally drug out my 2 HP R&V Triumph last night to start some of 
> the clean up/repair process. All the valve train items, rocker, rocker 
> mount, ignitor trip, etc., had been "farmer" fabricated many years ago 
> out of steel plate. During the last 5 years I obtained unmachined repro 
> castings of the parts, but have nothing in the way of pictures to go by 
> for details. Anyone in engine land got a decent close up of the rocker 
> arm area and maybe the ignitor trip? None of my literature has anything 
> usable. Thanks in advance!!
> 
> - Regards,
>      Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Aug  9 19:10:49 2006
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:10:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Daves #
Message-ID: <20060810021054.848739B41B@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org>

Hey Thanks Guys, I'll yank his chain after he's had time to wash down some
of that Fl. Sand  Jimmy O'

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug  9 09:02:17 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2006 Photo's (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608091201190.68662@vegeta.city-net.com>

>From Russell Farmer.  ENJOY!!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:37:40 -0400
From: Russell Farmer <oilengine at earthlink.net>
Subject: Findlay 2006 Photo's

Hope all had a great time. Looking forward to Portland !
(Findlay Photo link)
Shortcut to: http://home.earthlink.net/~oilengine/images/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Aug 10 02:11:53 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:11:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] terrorists
Message-ID: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

News just coming in on TV is that major terrorist activity in London 
Airport.
NOW will the 'Powers that be' accept we ARE at war??
I am wondering how this is going to affect my trip to USA!
So, friends, dont be shocked if I dont arrive on time!
I HATE these radical ragheads!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From mls543 at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 10 04:13:35 2006
From: mls543 at adelphia.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:13:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] terrorists
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <44DB14DF.9020909@adelphia.net>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> News just coming in on TV is that major terrorist activity in London 
> Airport.
> NOW will the 'Powers that be' accept we ARE at war??
> I am wondering how this is going to affect my trip to USA!
> So, friends, dont be shocked if I dont arrive on time!
> I HATE these radical ragheads!!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
Hey Reg don't take any clear gel anti perspirant deodorant  in your 
carry on  luggage. TV says they are takeing the stuff out and keeping it.
                                                          Mark


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Aug 10 04:17:36 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:17:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] terrorists
References: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<44DB14DF.9020909@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <015d01c6bc6e$99bbbd40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Mark! I really need this shit!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark L Shattuck" <mls543 at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] terrorists


>R & M Ingold wrote:
>> News just coming in on TV is that major terrorist activity in London 
>> Airport.
>> NOW will the 'Powers that be' accept we ARE at war??
>> I am wondering how this is going to affect my trip to USA!
>> So, friends, dont be shocked if I dont arrive on time!
>> I HATE these radical ragheads!!!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> Hey Reg don't take any clear gel anti perspirant deodorant  in your 
> carry on  luggage. TV says they are takeing the stuff out and keeping it.
>                                                          Mark
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From asouth at strato.net  Thu Aug 10 05:18:44 2006
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:18:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
Message-ID: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>

Hello list,
Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last few 
days?
I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.

I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN show 
the weekend before?

Have a good day all.





Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Aug 10 10:22:22 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <4296.165.206.180.19.1155230542.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I get anywhere from 1 to a dozen or more a week................
Plus a lot of "make money on ebait" offers, offers of kits and such, and
fake questions from ebay buyers wanting to know about something I'm
selling (I'm not) and sellers demanding I respond to their request for
payment (I've not bought)
It's all fake wanting you to respond or go to a web site.

Bill


 Hello list,
> Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last few
> days?
> I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
>
> I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN show
> the weekend before?
>
> Have a good day all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Arthur Southwell
> Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> asouth at strato.net
>
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
>
>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Aug 10 10:58:00 2006
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:58:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <002501c6bca6$8d020270$a344e5d8@gary>

I'm averaging a half doz. a week and I'm on a slow dial-up connection.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Southwell" <asouth at strato.net>
To: "ATIS-SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers


> Hello list,
> Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last few 
> days?
> I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
>
> I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN show 
> the weekend before?
>
> Have a good day all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Arthur Southwell
> Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> asouth at strato.net
>
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 10 12:06:25 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:06:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
Message-ID: <410-22006841019625343@earthlink.net>

You guys must be doing something to attract them, I might get 1 every other
month.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/10/2006 1:15:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
>
> I'm averaging a half doz. a week and I'm on a slow dial-up connection.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Southwell" <asouth at strato.net>
> To: "ATIS-SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:18 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
>
>
> > Hello list,
> > Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last
few 
> > days?
> > I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
> >
> > I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN
show 
> > the weekend before?
> >
> > Have a good day all.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Arthur Southwell
> > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> > Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> > asouth at strato.net
> >
> > http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 14:13:35 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:13:35 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <410-22006841019625343@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006841019625343@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608101413u22b68b65vb09386ecd00adce7@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/08/06, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:
> You guys must be doing something to attract them, I might get 1 every other
> month.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas

You're doing well, Tim. We have a lot that arrive here at home and at
the factory, most of which are using our email addresses from Usenet
newsgroup postings, and of course, Google, which gives out a lot of
stored info if you ask the right questions.

The two Engine List subscriptions are on Gmail which doesn't attract
much at all.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From segray at mlode.com  Fri Aug 11 09:17:58 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:17:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
Message-ID: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   I've gotten involved with the possible repairs of a common John Deere 
1.5 HP E and wonder if anyone of the list has a Deere mag currently 
pulled apart? I need the orientation of the woodruff key in the armature 
shaft to the countersunk screw holes in the pot metal end plate of the 
armature. This one's been in trouble and spun the shaft in the pot metal 
casting losing both the mechanical attachment and the timing position. 
The fix is fairly simple, but I need the key position right for the mag 
timing. Any help is greatly appreciated. Picture at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/deere1.jpg. Many thanks in advance!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From nick at holden1.net  Fri Aug 11 10:17:13 2006
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:17:13 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
References: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>

 
 Hi Steve
Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you 
Want any more info just ask
 
Nick
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Steve Gray
Date: 11/08/2006 17:45:28
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
 
Hi All -
 
   I've gotten involved with the possible repairs of a common John Deere
1.5 HP E and wonder if anyone of the list has a Deere mag currently
pulled apart? I need the orientation of the woodruff key in the armature
shaft to the countersunk screw holes in the pot metal end plate of the
armature. This one's been in trouble and spun the shaft in the pot metal
casting losing both the mechanical attachment and the timing position.
The fix is fairly simple, but I need the key position right for the mag
timing. Any help is greatly appreciated. Picture at
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/deere1.jpg. Many thanks in advance!
 
- Steve
 
--
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
 
 
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Aug 11 12:01:48 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:01:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
References: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>
	<44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>
Message-ID: <000701c6bd78$9a7e6e20$3ac10b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] More help needed
 Hi Steve
Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you 
Want any more info just ask
 Nick Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
Big Snip

Hey Nick, you took a shot of an engine I missed at the 1000.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/551705577/2276282010068725911LAczuc
Did anyone note down the details of this one please.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From segray at mlode.com  Fri Aug 11 12:52:12 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:52:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
In-Reply-To: <44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>
References: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>
	<44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>
Message-ID: <44DCDFEC.30405@mlode.com>

Hi Nick -

   That is perfect!! Exactly what I needed. I figured the key was 
probably between the narrow separation of the screws (lined up with the 
iron core of the armature) or 90 degrees to it. Without tearing my 
engine apart, I just didn't know. You just made me happy and the owner 
of the engine VERY happy!! :-)      Again, the List comes through!! Now, 
I gotta go do some machining!

THANKS Nick!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




Nick Holden wrote:

> 
>
> Hi Steve
>
>Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you 
>
>Want any more info just ask
>
> 
>
>Nick
>
> 
>
>Nick
>
>Banbury (UK)
>
>http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
>
> 
>
>  
>




From nick at holden1.net  Fri Aug 11 13:01:38 2006
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:01:38 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
References: <000701c6bd78$9a7e6e20$3ac10b52@no1>
Message-ID: <44DCE218.000001.00176@YOUR-447023AE6B>

 
 Hi Dave 
Looking at my book their was no info board with this engine
So I can not help
But someone must know something
Nick
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Dave Croft
Date: 08/11/06 20:15:58
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] More help needed
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] More help needed
  Hi Steve
Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you
Want any more info just ask
  Nick Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
Big Snip
 
Hey Nick, you took a shot of an engine I missed at the 1000.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/551705577/2276282010068725911LAczuc
Did anyone note down the details of this one please.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Aug 11 14:12:27 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:12:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>

I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5 
Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
Or any other information on it.
Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something 
up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it 
few small dents
R Fink
PA




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 11 14:48:11 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:48:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <002201c6bd8f$d85b4170$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>

Might be worth joining the Kohler group on yahoo;
Kohler_Engine_Club-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.

Lew Best near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Fink Sr
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:12 PM
To: SEL.email discussionlist
Subject: [SEL] Kohler

I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5 
Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
Or any other information on it.
Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something 
up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it

few small dents
R Fink
PA


 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 23:29:08 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:29:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/08/06, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5
> Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
> Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
> Or any other information on it.
> Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something
> up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it
> few small dents
> R Fink
> PA

We have a big chunk of Kohler information on our website:

Look for the Kohler icon down towards the bottom of the main menu.
Models up to 5kVA/5kW are in there with schematics etc.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 12 01:14:52 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:14:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>

Hover your mouse over the link in the email the one that looks like www.ebay.com/blah blah blah and you will find the 
real address of the fake site. If your mail software does not support this, then upgrade to something that does!

Regards
Paul

Arthur Southwell wrote:
> Hello list,
> Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last 
> few days?
> I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
> 
> I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN 
> show the weekend before?
> 
> Have a good day all.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> asouth at strato.net
> 
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

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Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Aug 12 04:59:25 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:59:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine 
Message-ID: <44DDC29D.1000008@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Saw this one on another site so I thought I would pass it along.
http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=144097&query=retrieval

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 03:59:25 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:59:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
	<44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608120359k2f6e337o4e12f7266c4cbd83@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/08/06, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> Hover your mouse over the link in the email the one that looks like www.ebay.com/blah blah blah and you will find the
> real address of the fake site. If your mail software does not support this, then upgrade to something that does!
>
> Regards
> Paul
>

Agent (www.forteinc.com) is probably the best email and news client
available, and being text-based it doesn't automatically show HTML
on-screen, so it is pretty clear that the address is a spoof.

Any email from ebay that is not in plain text is also probably a fake....

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Aug 12 07:40:08 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:40:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <002201c6bd8f$d85b4170$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060812073810.01b07db0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Thanks Lew   Peter got some info of peters site. It is a k 91 motor. will 
check out yahoo
R Fink
PA






At 04:48 PM 8/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Might be worth joining the Kohler group on yahoo;
>Kohler_Engine_Club-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.
>
>Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>Fink Sr
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:12 PM
>To: SEL.email discussionlist
>Subject: [SEL] Kohler
>
>I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5
>Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
>Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
>Or any other information on it.
>Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something
>up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it
>
>few small dents
>R Fink
>PA
>
>
>
>
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug 11 19:04:51 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:04:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
Message-ID: <006b01c6bdb3$b2fda200$9bd04c0c@D48VHZ61>

I know this is off-topic but it is antique related and engine powered.

I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list before and have come up with 
a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately lost.

I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the blue ones made in 
Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any leads I would greatly 
appreciate them.

John Hall
jthall at worldnet.att.net




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Aug 12 17:56:24 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:56:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Dinner/Charity Auction
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060812205026.01b05ec0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I need to let Ellen at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur, IN know how many 
we will have at the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on (Thurs.) August 24th 
at 6:00 PM at the Portland Show. If you are planning on joining us please 
let me know so that I can add you to the count. Contact me off List at 
rotigel at alltel.net.
	Dave
PS, Would someone please forward this post to the tractor list? Thanks!



From mickdema at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 13 05:02:05 2006
From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:02:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
In-Reply-To: <006b01c6bdb3$b2fda200$9bd04c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <20060813120206.84636.qmail@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi John, 
 Try sites below.

http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf?OpenDatabase
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView
  
  Mick


--- John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> I know this is off-topic but it is antique related
> and engine powered.
> 
> I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list
> before and have come up with 
> a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately
> lost.
> 
> I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the
> blue ones made in 
> Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any
> leads I would greatly 
> appreciate them.
> 
> John Hall
> jthall at worldnet.att.net
> 
> 
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>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug 13 05:32:22 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:32:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
References: <20060813120206.84636.qmail@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV117A37FBDBF3DC2131D3C9BB490@phx.gbl>

John..my friend has this one:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/1399555311039077051ZdSXCu

and

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/1399556295039077051pxakmC

  I have no source for parts or manuals...but if I can take more pictures or 
provide measurements, just let me know.

Regards
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Demaria" <mickdema at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors


> Hi John,
>  Try sites below.
>
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf?OpenDatabase
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView
>
>   Mick
>
>
> --- John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > I know this is off-topic but it is antique related
> > and engine powered.
> >
> > I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list
> > before and have come up with
> > a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately
> > lost.
> >
> > I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the
> > blue ones made in
> > Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any
> > leads I would greatly
> > appreciate them.
> >
> > John Hall
> > jthall at worldnet.att.net
> >
> >
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
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From edurand at iglou.com  Sun Aug 13 07:42:45 2006
From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:42:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>

edurand StationeryGroup:

Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
guys get it.

http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
tml
Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at cybertron.com

http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand



From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Sun Aug 13 08:08:26 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:08:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <44DF406A.7000603@atnet.net>

Eldon - Interesting photos.  Too bad.

I'm not a guru but think the larger FM engine could be related to the 
engines on the Gato class subs of WEII fame.

Regards,

Bob

Elden DuRand wrote:

> edurand StationeryGroup:
> 
> Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
> guys get it.
> 
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
> tml
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at cybertron.com
> 
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand
> 
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Aug 13 09:35:45 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:35:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <019801c6bef6$876df380$99781941@pengy>

I am definately interested in at least one of these units.  The electric 
bill is killing me for the foundry.  I spend $1400 a month to run my furnace 
and I use around 80KW maximum demand, most of the time my demand is between 
50 to 70kw.  This gen set would power my furnace and keep the foundry 
business operating.   I figure I probably run the furnace 20 to 30 hours per 
month.

The Tod Engine Foundation would be willing to accept donation of the unit, 
we are a 501 c 3 organization.  We will have to work out the logistics of 
getting it moved and I would need to talk with someone about what it would 
take to run one of these.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org
William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at iglou.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home


> edurand StationeryGroup:
>
> Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
> guys get it.
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
> tml
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at cybertron.com
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand
>
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Aug 13 09:41:30 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:41:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <01ae01c6bef7$54a7cb00$99781941@pengy>

Elden,

Oh I didn't notice that there are two of the two cylinder engines until I 
reread the website.  We would be ineterested in both but probably not the 
opposed piston engine.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org
William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at iglou.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home


> edurand StationeryGroup:
>
> Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
> guys get it.
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
> tml
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at cybertron.com
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug 13 11:40:25 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:40:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
Message-ID: <44DF7219.6000300@insulate.co.uk>

This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
wood, digging holes etc.
Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see it 
in action.
I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
soon as possible!

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 13 12:20:15 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:20:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
Message-ID: <410-220068013192015828@earthlink.net>

Can't wait.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/13/2006 1:40:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
>
> This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
> no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
> to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
> wood, digging holes etc.
> Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
> its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
> get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
> cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
> twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see it 
> in action.
> I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
> soon as possible!
>
> Dolly
>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 15:23:03 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:23:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc> <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6f5c6b504ab12b2d3d9511450c20867@chartertn.net>

> Muriatic Acid is the older name for Hydrochloric Acid, before the name
> reflected the chemical composition/ingredients.

Well, really it did reflect its composition, since "muriatic" was an 
old word meaning it came from brine or salt. Related to the Latin word 
for sea. We've just moved on to another system of nomenclature.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 15:32:24 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:32:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>
	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>
	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
	<44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>

I've similarly used a ball as a seat lap by jamming it into the end of 
a piece of copper tubing.

John

On Aug 7, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Curt wrote:

> Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.
>
> I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The outlet 
> I was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool using a 
> .50 diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then using 
> some fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) and the 
> tool in a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball diameter. 
> Testing with a new ball showed it sealed nicely.



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Aug 13 16:14:03 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:14:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
Message-ID: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/13/2006 3:46:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:

I've  similarly used a ball as a seat lap by jamming it into the end of 
a piece  of copper tubing


John, 
I used some JB Weld to fasten a seat lap ball to a ?" wood  dowel.  I also 
repaired a damaged seat using JB Weld.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Aug 13 16:43:40 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:43:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] De-rust chemical? Your thoughts..... 
In-Reply-To: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6bf32$4ffe1740$4500a8c0@sheeba>

 
Is it any good?
What's it cost?
How does it work really?
Anyone here use it?

http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
 
http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sec
tionid=4&id=21&Itemid=26 

I've seen it at swap meets, etc............... But wonder - how can it be
"patented" if it's a simple chemical reaction?
No acid? 
Totally safe?


Bill
Runnells, IA




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Aug 13 17:01:33 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:01:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>	<44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
	<c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <44DFBD5D.50402@scrtc.com>

If its a bronze or brass fuel pump, I have had success repairing the 
seat by simply taking a ball bearing thats the same diameter as the 
bronze check ball, placing it on the seat and taking a blunt punch and 
tapping it with a hammer. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> I've similarly used a ball as a seat lap by jamming it into the end of 
> a piece of copper tubing.
>
> John
>
> On Aug 7, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Curt wrote:
>
>> Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.
>>
>> I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The 
>> outlet I was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool 
>> using a .50 diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then 
>> using some fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) 
>> and the tool in a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball 
>> diameter. Testing with a new ball showed it sealed nicely.
>
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 17:03:38 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:03:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>
References: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b14ad5f2bf1ba3f202fced3fce3c5d2a@chartertn.net>

> John,
> I used some JB Weld to fasten a seat lap ball to a ?" wood  dowel.  I 
> also
> repaired a damaged seat using JB Weld.

Hey, if it works, fine. If it works and it's really cheap or free, it's 
great!

Shade Tree 'R' Me.

:-D

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 17:11:36 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:11:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] De-rust chemical? Your thoughts..... 
In-Reply-To: <000001c6bf32$4ffe1740$4500a8c0@sheeba>
References: <000001c6bf32$4ffe1740$4500a8c0@sheeba>
Message-ID: <0cf6331c2e2c15cf829c6c93f030ad98@chartertn.net>

There's some no-phosphoric-acid Naval Jelly and copies out there. I  
forget exactly what's in 'em, but an MSDS hunt would turn it up. What I  
do know is that the stuff doesn't work nearly as well as the phosphoric  
acid kind. In recent years, I couldn't get any sort of cleaning  
compound containing phosphates here, due to U.S. environmental  
regulations aimed at protecting the Tennessee River system from  
eutrophication. Thus I ended up with some of this crud. Now, for some  
reason, the phosphate kind's available again, so I dumped the  
non-phosphate stuff and got the real thing.

Also, there's the interesting "Phosphate Free TSP," which is sodium  
metasilicate. A.K.A. water glass. Comes in a crystalline powder, and  
it's very strongly basic, so be careful with it. Not for derusting, but  
it's good for the usual uses of TSP like cleaning concrete and brick,  
removing nasty greasy crud, will precipitate hard water minerals out of  
cooling water before they cause that hard scale on the inner cooling  
system surfaces (it settles as a white clay-like substance), and will  
kill poison ivy if you spray it straight on it. :-)

John

On Aug 13, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:

>
> Is it any good?
> What's it cost?
> How does it work really?
> Anyone here use it?
>
> http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
>
> http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php? 
> option=com_content&task=category&sec
> tionid=4&id=21&Itemid=26
>
> I've seen it at swap meets, etc............... But wonder - how can it  
> be
> "patented" if it's a simple chemical reaction?
> No acid?
> Totally safe?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From honda_trx250r at msn.com  Sun Aug 13 17:34:29 2006
From: honda_trx250r at msn.com (Christopher Migliaccio)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:34:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>

please remove me from the mailing list




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Aug 13 18:31:07 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:31:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060813210953.03c62480@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:34 PM 8/13/2006, you wrote:
>please remove me from the mailing list

Hi Christopher,
         I'm sorry to inform you that your request can not be honored. 
There are certain rules that must be followed in order to have someone else 
remove your name from the List! . Records show clearly that you have not 
been on the List for the required 69 years in order to be considered for 
such removal
         There is ONE HOPE, however. A VERY few individuals who choose to 
live the good life for a period not to exceed 48 hours, give excessive 
funds to the charity of their choice, refrain from beating their wife for a 
short time (usually 6-8 hours is sufficient), and give up smoking, drinking 
and sex for a period not to exceed six (6) hours are provided with a link 
at the bottom of each post received from the SEL. If you happen to be lucky 
enough to be provided with such a link you might try clicking on it and 
follow the "unsubscribe" directions that can be found there!
         Dave
PS, Did you know that if you eat lots of vegetables, exercise regularly, 
give up cigarettes and alcohol, and attend church regularly that you are 
still going to die?
          



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 13 18:50:06 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:50:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001c6bf43$f9193290$14e6fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8>

SIR
IF YOU CLICK ON THE LINK IN THIS E-MAIL AND GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE YOU
WILL SEE WHERE TO UNSUBCRIBED FROM THE MAILING LIST. HOPE THIS HELPS AND
MAYBE SOMEDAY WE WILL SEE YOU BACK ON THE LIST. HAVE A NICE DAY.

http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Migliaccio
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:34 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)

please remove me from the mailing list


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From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 13 18:54:02 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:54:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060813210953.03c62480@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000101c6bf44$8579ef40$14e6fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Amen to that brother

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:31 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject)

At 08:34 PM 8/13/2006, you wrote:
>please remove me from the mailing list

Hi Christopher,
         I'm sorry to inform you that your request can not be honored. 
There are certain rules that must be followed in order to have someone else 
remove your name from the List! . Records show clearly that you have not 
been on the List for the required 69 years in order to be considered for 
such removal
         There is ONE HOPE, however. A VERY few individuals who choose to 
live the good life for a period not to exceed 48 hours, give excessive 
funds to the charity of their choice, refrain from beating their wife for a 
short time (usually 6-8 hours is sufficient), and give up smoking, drinking 
and sex for a period not to exceed six (6) hours are provided with a link 
at the bottom of each post received from the SEL. If you happen to be lucky 
enough to be provided with such a link you might try clicking on it and 
follow the "unsubscribe" directions that can be found there!
         Dave
PS, Did you know that if you eat lots of vegetables, exercise regularly, 
give up cigarettes and alcohol, and attend church regularly that you are 
still going to die?
          

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 13 20:31:51 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:31:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
Message-ID: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul

From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 13 20:51:16 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:51:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>

Know nothing bout Maytag engines but sure is a cute little tractor!

Lew Best near Waco, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from
me and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time
he hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track,
the engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits
another bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what
was happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what
solutions, if any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
 

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 13 21:25:59 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:25:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>

I agree Lew, thanks.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help


> Know nothing bout Maytag engines but sure is a cute little tractor!
> 
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> 



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Aug 13 13:06:51 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:06:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
References: <20060813120206.84636.qmail@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c6bf14$0488c080$f5d84c0c@D48VHZ61>

Great site!! You'd have think I would have found that when "searching"---no 
such luck though.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Demaria" <mickdema at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors


> Hi John,
> Try sites below.
>
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf?OpenDatabase
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView
>
>  Mick
>
>
> --- John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> I know this is off-topic but it is antique related
>> and engine powered.
>>
>> I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list
>> before and have come up with
>> a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately
>> lost.
>>
>> I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the
>> blue ones made in
>> Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any
>> leads I would greatly
>> appreciate them.
>>
>> John Hall
>> jthall at worldnet.att.net
>>
>>
>> 



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug 14 03:59:37 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:59:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000001c6bf90$c7b60af0$12b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Paul
Do you still have those plans for sale and if so, what would they cost?

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he
hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another
bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
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From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug 14 04:03:01 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:03:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000101c6bf91$3fc70ad0$12b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Paul
I forgot to add that if you do have these plans for sale that you can
contact me off list at lyle45859 at peoplepc.com 

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he
hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another
bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 14 04:30:31 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:30:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] De-rust chemical? Your thoughts..... 
Message-ID: <081420061130.13550.44E05ED700039F03000034EE219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Bill,
Ive been using Evapo rust for sometime now with very very good results.  Works 
very well with rusty cast iron stuff.  I ve got a couple 5gal pails of it and 
will place hard to remove rusty stuff in one over night and wa-la the next day 
all you do is wash the item off with water and it looks like brand new.  Its 
non-toxic and no special protections necessary but I wear rubber gloves mainly 
to prevent hands from getting the black residue off from handling after 
soaking and washing.  Down side is it isn't cheap!  But works well!  If you 
got any other questions give me a shout.
Curt Andree


>  
> Is it any good?
> What's it cost?
> How does it work really?
> Anyone here use it?
> 
> http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
>  
> http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sec
> tionid=4&id=21&Itemid=26 
> 
> I've seen it at swap meets, etc............... But wonder - how can it be
> "patented" if it's a simple chemical reaction?
> No acid? 
> Totally safe?
> 
> 
> Bill
> Runnells, IA
> 
> 
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Aug 14 04:50:19 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:50:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
	<003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>

I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the white 
stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for charging into my 
cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows and I wonder if one of 
those would work for me.

If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you know 
where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
249 North Water Avenue
Sharon, PA 16146
330-272-4089
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Aug 14 05:12:10 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:12:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608120359k2f6e337o4e12f7266c4cbd83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>	<44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160608120359k2f6e337o4e12f7266c4cbd83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E0689A.5000903@steamengine.com.au>

I use Thunderbird from Mozilla. It is free, it works, it is open source, it integrates with micro$oft office etc. Could 
not recommend it more highly.

www.mozilla.org

Regards
Paul

Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 12/08/06, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
>> Hover your mouse over the link in the email the one that looks like 
>> www.ebay.com/blah blah blah and you will find the
>> real address of the fake site. If your mail software does not support 
>> this, then upgrade to something that does!
>>
>> Regards
>> Paul
>>
> 
> Agent (www.forteinc.com) is probably the best email and news client
> available, and being text-based it doesn't automatically show HTML
> on-screen, so it is pretty clear that the address is a spoof.
> 
> Any email from ebay that is not in plain text is also probably a fake....
> 
> Peter

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Aug 14 05:24:38 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:24:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
Message-ID: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>

I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the most 
curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother 
after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.

After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
checked regulary and also get the physical exam.

We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need it.

See some of you Thursday.

Peg Pfeiffer




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 14 06:06:56 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:06:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the 
phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then 
stated below.
No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark


>Hi guys,
>
>  Thought I should let you know , Bob had a motor cycle accident this 
> afternoon.
>   I just got back from Victoria hospital in London.
>      They had him in Critical Care Trauma Center. He is under heavy 
> sedation and has some head trauma and liver and spleen damage.
>
>  I won't know anything else until they do. We do not know as yet what 
> exactly happened. I will let you know when I know.
>
>  Please keep him in your prayers.   He also has a large case of ROAD RASH 
> on his left side. He did respond to me , but not to the doc or the nurses 
> , he was in shock , but with his deafness he may not have heard them , 
> plus he was really confused when they picked him up so the sedation 
> didn't help with responses either.
>  I will be at the hospital tomorrow.
>
>   Love Ya's  Sheila
>
>
>----------




From edurand at iglou.com  Mon Aug 14 07:20:27 2006
From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:20:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEGPEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>

John:

I've always seated a pump check ball by sitting the ball on the seat then, with a soft drift, giving it a bop with a hammer.  Works for me.

BTW - how 'ya doin'?

Take care - Elden


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of John Culp
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 05:32 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
> 
> 
> I've similarly used a ball as a seat lap by 
> jamming it into the end of 
> a piece of copper tubing.
> 
> John 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 14 06:16:53 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:16:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the 
phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then 
stated below.
No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark


>Hi guys,
>
>  Thought I should let you know , Bob had a motor cycle accident this 
> afternoon.
>   I just got back from Victoria hospital in London.
>      They had him in Critical Care Trauma Center. He is under heavy 
> sedation and has some head trauma and liver and spleen damage.
>
>  I won't know anything else until they do. We do not know as yet what 
> exactly happened. I will let you know when I know.
>
>  Please keep him in your prayers.   He also has a large case of ROAD RASH 
> on his left side. He did respond to me , but not to the doc or the nurses 
> , he was in shock , but with his deafness he may not have heard them , 
> plus he was really confused when they picked him up so the sedation 
> didn't help with responses either.
>  I will be at the hospital tomorrow.
>
>   Love Ya's  Sheila
>
>
>----------




From edurand at iglou.com  Mon Aug 14 07:28:26 2006
From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:28:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEHAEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>

Peg:

My condolences on the loss of your Dad and please extend my thoughts to the rest of your family.

I've lost my two best friends to prostate cancer so I know where you're coming from.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William J
> Pfeiffer Sr
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 07:25 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday 




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Aug 14 06:25:45 2006
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:25:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
In-Reply-To: <024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <000401c6bfa5$26478c10$3364a8c0@Eagle>

	I had some coke crushed at a local engine show several years ago. It
worked great. I have not seen the gentleman who had the crusher since. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:50 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher

I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the white
stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for charging into my
cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows and I wonder if one of
those would work for me.

If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you know
where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
249 North Water Avenue
Sharon, PA 16146
330-272-4089
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug 14 06:29:58 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:29:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200608141330.k7EDUJxQ033822@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William J
Pfeiffer Sr
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:25 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday

I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the most 
curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother 
after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.

After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
checked regulary and also get the physical exam.

We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need it.

See some of you Thursday.

Peg Pfeiffer

~~~~~~~~~

Peg, Cathy and I send our condolences.  Indeed, it is heart-wrenching to
watch a person suffer and waste away.  Please take solace in knowing that
your father is suffering no more.

Regards, 

Orrin and Cathy

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.     





From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Aug 14 06:40:45 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	I was about to ask the same question as I too am working on a Kohler. 
Thanks for putting the Kohler information up on the web. I am working on 
a Kohler similar to the L600. I haven been able to confirm numbers yet. 
The pages I'm comparing are this one 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler51.htm>

Rupert

Listerdiesel wrote:
> 
> We have a big chunk of Kohler information on our website:
> 
> Look for the Kohler icon down towards the bottom of the main menu.
> Models up to 5kVA/5kW are in there with schematics etc.
> 
> Peter

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 07:11:03 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:11:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
	<44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>         I was about to ask the same question as I too am working on a Kohler.
> Thanks for putting the Kohler information up on the web. I am working on
> a Kohler similar to the L600. I haven been able to confirm numbers yet.
> The pages I'm comparing are this one
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler51.htm>
>
> Rupert
>

The rest of the 1A21 manual is not scanned as it was pretty basic
stuff and no data, but if there is anything you need on that or any of
the other models, let me know and I will endeavour to find it for you.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 07:14:34 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:14:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608140714n1b8da36dmd457c9a84a70ee82@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/08/06, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the
> phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then
> stated below.
> No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark
>
>

<snipped Sheila's message>

Sorry to hear about that, can be nasty when you scrape yourself along
the highway. We'll keep Bob & Shelia in our thoughts. Let us hear any
more news please.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Aug 14 07:50:52 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:50:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEGPEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEGPEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <e624d6ff9aa982a2a5b43ce9d1d619b5@chartertn.net>

That's a good tip, too.

I'm getting along fine, Elden. Great to hear from you!

John

On Aug 14, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> John:
>
> I've always seated a pump check ball by sitting the ball on the seat 
> then, with a soft drift, giving it a bop with a hammer.  Works for me.
>
> BTW - how 'ya doin'?
>
> Take care - Elden


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Aug 14 09:22:40 2006
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:22:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <000801c6bfbd$f36bf2e0$916a0b42@computer>

Sheila,
     So sorry to hear of Bob's accident.  Blessings!!!           George F.
Armstrong
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital


>I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the
>phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then
>stated below.
>No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark
>
>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>  Thought I should let you know , Bob had a motor cycle accident this
>> afternoon.
>>   I just got back from Victoria hospital in London.
>>      They had him in Critical Care Trauma Center. He is under heavy
>> sedation and has some head trauma and liver and spleen damage.
>>
>>  I won't know anything else until they do. We do not know as yet what
>> exactly happened. I will let you know when I know.
>>
>>  Please keep him in your prayers.   He also has a large case of ROAD RASH
>> on his left side. He did respond to me , but not to the doc or the nurses
>> , he was in shock , but with his deafness he may not have heard them ,
>> plus he was really confused when they picked him up so the sedation
>> didn't help with responses either.
>>  I will be at the hospital tomorrow.
>>
>>   Love Ya's  Sheila
>>
>>
>>----------
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Aug 14 10:52:18 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:52:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>	<44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E0B852.4020109@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	My unit is fitted with a different magneto (American Bosch #MRD 
4A310)which is different. Also, the controller on top of the generator 
is a Culter-Hammer. The numbers on the panel name plate are: 243282A and 
C-H No. 11615ED9. I could use more info on the CH control box contents. 
The battery charging part of it isn't working.

	Thanks for your help.

Rupert

Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 14/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>>         I was about to ask the same question as I too am working on a 
>> Kohler.
>> Thanks for putting the Kohler information up on the web. I am working on
>> a Kohler similar to the L600. I haven been able to confirm numbers yet.
>> The pages I'm comparing are this one
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler51.htm>
>>
>> Rupert
>>
> 
> The rest of the 1A21 manual is not scanned as it was pretty basic
> stuff and no data, but if there is anything you need on that or any of
> the other models, let me know and I will endeavour to find it for you.
> 
> Peter

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 12:50:43 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:50:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <44E0B852.4020109@telus.net>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
	<44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>
	<44E0B852.4020109@telus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608141250i48a9ae40j4c27b5b5f1362016@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>         My unit is fitted with a different magneto (American Bosch #MRD
> 4A310)which is different. Also, the controller on top of the generator
> is a Culter-Hammer. The numbers on the panel name plate are: 243282A and
> C-H No. 11615ED9. I could use more info on the CH control box contents.
> The battery charging part of it isn't working.
>
>         Thanks for your help.
>
> Rupert

Rupert:

That 243282A part# doesn't come up in the older books, so it may be a
later replacement part, not the original.

I have been through all the books I have here to double-check on that,
and nowhere is that number shown, so it looks like you have a later
replacement/build.

The magneto is probably a standard American Bosch unit, I'll check
that part over the next day or so to see if we have any info in the
master manuals.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Aug 14 13:01:10 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:01:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
Message-ID: <559.5324200.32123086@aol.com>

Peg,

Very sorry to hear about the passing of your father.  Seems that here is just 
too many folks with cancer these days.  Due to being a 2 time colon cancer 
survivor, I get all kinds of regular checks ups. Something everyone should do!

Have a nice restful time at Portland.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 14 15:49:14 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:49:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
References: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be that 
God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all 
understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had raised a 
loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be 
reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.

God Bless and Keep You Peg,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday


>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the most 
>curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother 
>after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
>
> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
> the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
> checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
>
> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need 
> it.
>
> See some of you Thursday.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 14 16:03:39 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
References: <000101c6bf91$3fc70ad0$12b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <00b101c6bff5$e1edf940$240110ac@PAUL2>

Lyle I may can find another set, I sold them for $10.00 plus $2.00 for 
postage.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at peoplepc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help


> Paul
> I forgot to add that if you do have these plans for sale that you can
> contact me off list at lyle45859 at peoplepc.com
>
> Lyle Myles
>
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord 
> has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
> To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
>
> Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
> and built this tractor:
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg
>
> He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time 
> he
> hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
> engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits 
> another
> bump.
>
> He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
> happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
> any, you might have.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Aug 14 20:51:42 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
	<003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <004401c6c01e$1f49cd00$99781941@pengy>

Does anyone have a rock crusher that will be at a show and looking for 
something to do with it?  Have coke will travel!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher


>I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the white 
>stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for charging into my 
>cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows and I wonder if one of 
>those would work for me.
>
> If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you know 
> where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
> 249 North Water Avenue
> Sharon, PA 16146
> 330-272-4089
> Fax 330-759-1524
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug 14 21:50:36 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:50:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00b101c6bff5$e1edf940$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000101c6c026$5a716930$a3b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

If you can find them, I would be interested in buying them. Just let me
know.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help

Lyle I may can find another set, I sold them for $10.00 plus $2.00 for 
postage.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at peoplepc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help


> Paul
> I forgot to add that if you do have these plans for sale that you can
> contact me off list at lyle45859 at peoplepc.com
>
> Lyle Myles
>
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord 
> has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
> To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
>
> Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
> and built this tractor:
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg
>
> He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time 
> he
> hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
> engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits 
> another
> bump.
>
> He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
> happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
> any, you might have.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 15 04:34:25 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:34:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
In-Reply-To: <004401c6c01e$1f49cd00$99781941@pengy>
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>	<003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>	<024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>
	<004401c6c01e$1f49cd00$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <44E1B141.7050203@imc-group.com>

Hey Rick,
Here is your opportunity to attend our Cotton Ginning Days show in 
Dallas/Gastonia, NC the second weekend in October. Bring your coke and 
crush away. List member Tommy Berry usually has his assay rock crusher 
set up for the kids to toss rocks into. I'd bet an assay crusher is 
exactly the size you need as I'm guessing the platens are about 8" 
square. Perhaps Tommy will pipe up and give a few more details about the 
opening dimensions......
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Does anyone have a rock crusher that will be at a show and looking for 
> something to do with it?  Have coke will travel!
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" 
> <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:50 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
>
>
>> I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the 
>> white stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for 
>> charging into my cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows 
>> and I wonder if one of those would work for me.
>>
>> If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you 
>> know where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Works
>> Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
>> 249 North Water Avenue
>> Sharon, PA 16146
>> 330-272-4089
>> Fax 330-759-1524
>> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Aug 15 05:01:36 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <3852.165.206.180.139.1155643296.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Ouch - dunno why I didn't get the first/original post from Peg, but here's
my belated response -
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It made me think of my own parents,
their age and health, etc. I may need to make some changes.........
And thanks for the heads-up. Maybe you have caused just one person to go
get checked and perhaps avoid what can be avoided.
Prayers are with you.
My wife's departed Aunt Julie had a saying as she was dying from ovarian
cancer "that darned ol' cancer". My words would be a bit stronger........
If he was as nice as you are,  ;-)  the world lost another good one.

Bill

> Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be that
> God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all
> understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had raised
> a
> loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be
> reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.
>
> God Bless and Keep You Peg,
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>
>
>>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the
>> most
>>curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother
>>after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
>>
>> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his
>> bones,
>> the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your
>> PSA
>> checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
>>
>> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need
>> it.
>>
>> See some of you Thursday.
>>
>> Peg Pfeiffer
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Aug 15 05:06:05 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <000101c6c026$5a716930$a3b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>
References: <00b101c6bff5$e1edf940$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<000101c6c026$5a716930$a3b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <3866.165.206.180.139.1155643565.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

That IS a cute little critter!
I bet 36" tires would take some of the bump out and make it run smoother.
Seriously, a bump, eh - well, what if gas is sloshing around and getting
up into the crankcase and flooding it out?
Or, perhaps it's a jar on the checkvalve and letting the gas not stick up
in the fuel pickup tube and letting it starve?
I'd wonder about putting a different sort of checkvalve in place. Perhaps
a different style?
OK, scientists - would a ball with heavier mass cause more problems or less?
What about a lighter ball that would not get jarred?
Or a disk type check?

Bill


>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
>> Maples
>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
>> To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
>>
>> Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from
>> me
>> and built this tractor:
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg
>>
>> He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time
>> he
>> hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
>> engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits
>> another
>> bump.
>>
>> He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what
>> was
>> happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions,
>> if
>> any, you might have.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

>



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 15 07:37:15 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:37:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Last word we have from Sheila is Bob is awake and responding well. 
The breathing tube has been removed and he's FLIRTING with the nurses while 
changing his dressings. GRINNNNNNNN  Yah Hoooo . He is not talking much yet 
but we are expecting more today.
  I know this may seem optimistic but maybe with a few days to recoup we 
can get him to come to Portland to just rest and relax.
  The Family Thanks you all greatly for your thought and prayers.

                                                   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 15 07:46:53 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:46:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Last word we have from Sheila is Bob is awake and responding well. 
The breathing tube has been removed and he's FLIRTING with the nurses while 
changing his dressings. GRINNNNNNNN  Yah Hoooo . He is not talking much yet 
but we are expecting more today.
  I know this may seem optimistic but maybe with a few days to recoup we 
can get him to come to Portland to just rest and relax.
  The Family Thanks you all greatly for your thought and prayers.

                                                   Mark




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Aug 16 00:24:15 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:24:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F30C0E5B5D2F8622D6C6290E74C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Paul, Please make sure to get a check up>

XOXOX
Peg


>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:49:14 -0500
>
>Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be that 
>God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all 
>understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had raised a 
>loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be 
>reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.
>
>God Bless and Keep You Peg,
>
>Paul
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" 
><old_iron at msn.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
>Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>
>
>>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the 
>>most curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my 
>>Mother after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
>>
>>After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
>>the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
>>checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
>>
>>We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need 
>>it.
>>
>>See some of you Thursday.
>>
>>Peg Pfeiffer
>>
>>
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Aug 16 00:26:49 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:26:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <3852.165.206.180.139.1155643296.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F17625232469B6C67D96811E74C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the kind thoughts and prayers, PLEASE go get tested.

XOXOX
Peg


>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Ouch - dunno why I didn't get the first/original post from Peg, but here's
>my belated response -
>I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It made me think of my own parents,
>their age and health, etc. I may need to make some changes.........
>And thanks for the heads-up. Maybe you have caused just one person to go
>get checked and perhaps avoid what can be avoided.
>Prayers are with you.
>My wife's departed Aunt Julie had a saying as she was dying from ovarian
>cancer "that darned ol' cancer". My words would be a bit stronger........
>If he was as nice as you are,  ;-)  the world lost another good one.
>
>Bill
>
> > Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be 
>that
> > God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all
> > understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had 
>raised
> > a
> > loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be
> > reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.
> >
> > God Bless and Keep You Peg,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
> >
> >
> >>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the
> >> most
> >>curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my 
>Mother
> >>after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
> >>
> >> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his
> >> bones,
> >> the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your
> >> PSA
> >> checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
> >>
> >> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need
> >> it.
> >>
> >> See some of you Thursday.
> >>
> >> Peg Pfeiffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Aug 16 00:29:42 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:29:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F280A100C5EC26D19804C47E74C0@phx.gbl>

Glad to hear he is on the mend, I remeber when Dr John took a tumble from 
his bike, not a pretty thought.

Please pass on our thoughts and let Shelia know we are praying for a speedy 
and full recovery.

XOXOXO
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital Date: 
>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:37:15 -0400
>
>Hi All, Last word we have from Sheila is Bob is awake and responding well. 
>The breathing tube has been removed and he's FLIRTING with the nurses while 
>changing his dressings. GRINNNNNNNN  Yah Hoooo . He is not talking much yet 
>but we are expecting more today.
>  I know this may seem optimistic but maybe with a few days to recoup we 
>can get him to come to Portland to just rest and relax.
>  The Family Thanks you all greatly for your thought and prayers.
>
>                                                   Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Aug 16 06:25:56 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:25:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F280A100C5EC26D19804C47E74C0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<BAY113-F280A100C5EC26D19804C47E74C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060816090451.02f5dc00@pop3.wcoil.com>

The latest from Sheila is Bob is more aware but is still not speaking much. 
Hes getting frustrated with all the tubes and hoses and such so they are 
having to restrain or resedate him to keep him from removing stuff. They 
took another Cat scan of his knoggin yesterday to keep an eye on things up 
side. They had to sedate him to keep him still. So far due to the sedatives 
and pain medication the extent of any head trauma is still not known. He's 
road rash from head to toe so dressing everywhere.
He will not be getting to Portland unless something miraculous happens. At 
this time they are projecting his release from the hospital to be on or 
about the 21st. but this is totally subjective to many variables.
   Keep the well wishes and prayers coming.  His direct emaill address is 
"Bob & Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>
                                            TTYL,    Mark




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 16 08:03:34 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:03:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book,Antique Fire Equipment
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <006901c6c145$37a3e570$a28ff504@Ed>

Hi Jerry,

My friend has a very old transporter for fire hose and needs to find a new 
home for it. I am not sure if it is horse drawn or pulled by men. I have a 
bunch of questions about it, would like to know its manufacture and date and 
how much it is worth. If anybody could help, we would appreciate it. I have 
some initial pictures I can send off list, but suspect I have it up side 
down.We can take better pictures when we know which side up.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book


> Hi Bob,
>         I posted to this list about 10 days ago that this book was 
> available so maybe you responded to that.
>         If David did not answer your mail then there can be only one 
> reason - he never got it! Maybe you made the same mistake I once made - 
> his address is: <enginbooks at aol.com> as mentioned by Peter Scales "there 
> is no "e" between engin and books".
>         He usually answers his mail within hours - no matter how involved 
> your query might be (and, by the way it is answered by him personally - no 
> secretaries , no auto response, no nonsense).
>         He does exist and is alive and well - I've had correspondence with 
> him today. You could not wish to deal with a better person - his integrity 
> and service is without equal and his books are excellent.
>         Please do yourself a favour and get his books - either from him 
> direct or from Paul Evans (Internal Fire Museum also needs funds and I'm 
> sure David will not begrudge the museum it's bit of profit).
>
> That's all from me tonight!
> Keep well,
> Jerry Evans
> (South Africa)
>
>
> At 06:00 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:15 -0700
>>From: Bob W7AVK <rsrolfne at atnet.net>
>>Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Message-ID: <44BE63F3.7090103 at atnet.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion
>>called THE LISTER CS STORY.  The instructions at the web site
>>http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request the
>>total costs and place an order.  I sent an mail several days ago
>>requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc.   I've not received an answer.
>>
>>Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the hobby on the
>>west coast of the USA.  Is there a USA source for the Stationary Engine
>>Books?  Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his
>>mail?  Hope he is in good health.  How is the LISTER CS book?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Bob R.
>>Mose Lake, WA. USA
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 16 08:13:42 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:13:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <006c01c6c146$902ede60$a28ff504@Ed>

I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL 
tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone 
could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified 
place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is an 
optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done 
already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my pick 
up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just trying 
to do a little something for the group.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ 



From jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu  Wed Aug 16 09:52:32 2006
From: jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Jack Green)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:52:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
Message-ID: <44E34D50.9090300@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>

Rick,
There was a rock crusher for sale in the classifieds in the  May/June 
issue of Antique Power magazine. It was advertised as handling up to 9" 
rocks, I think.  I don't have it here at work but if you contact me, I 
can send you the phone number.
Jack


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Aug 16 10:01:08 2006
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:01:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
Message-ID: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>

I think it is a good idea Ed.               George F. Armstrong
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show


>I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL
>tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone
>could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified
>place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is
an
>optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done
>already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my pick
>up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just trying
>to do a little something for the group.
>
>Ed Stoller
>New Fairfield, CT
>http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From billbrox at online.no  Wed Aug 16 13:38:13 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:38:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>
Message-ID: <000801c6c173$e9317450$0100000a@tea20>

Hello, my name is Bill and I am new here.

I wonder if anyone have heard about Oil of Wintergreen and the possibility
to use it for loosening rusted bolts and nuts. I live in Norway, and I have
never heard about this oil, so I have searched the net and found that it was
used by Indians to cure headaches and such things ?   So, now I also wonder
if someone just pulled my leg, as a rusted bolt can cause a headache too...
:-)


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no







From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Aug 16 13:56:57 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:56:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000801c6c173$e9317450$0100000a@tea20>
References: <000801c6c173$e9317450$0100000a@tea20>
Message-ID: <8c8a2c41eb16718b84e0f6267a59c353@chartertn.net>

No, it's been reported to be a great penetrating lube. Methyl 
salicylate's the chemical name for it.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bill and I am new here.
>
> I wonder if anyone have heard about Oil of Wintergreen and the 
> possibility
> to use it for loosening rusted bolts and nuts. I live in Norway, and I 
> have
> never heard about this oil, so I have searched the net and found that 
> it was
> used by Indians to cure headaches and such things ?   So, now I also 
> wonder
> if someone just pulled my leg, as a rusted bolt can cause a headache 
> too...
> :-)
>
>
> Bill Brox
>
> billbrox at online.no


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From billbrox at online.no  Wed Aug 16 14:21:36 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:21:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <8c8a2c41eb16718b84e0f6267a59c353@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000901c6c179$fda5c160$0100000a@tea20>

Thanks, but where is the natural place to look for it, the pharmacy ?


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: 16. august 2006 22:57
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen

No, it's been reported to be a great penetrating lube. Methyl 
salicylate's the chemical name for it.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bill and I am new here.
>
> I wonder if anyone have heard about Oil of Wintergreen and the 
> possibility
> to use it for loosening rusted bolts and nuts. I live in Norway, and I 
> have
> never heard about this oil, so I have searched the net and found that 
> it was
> used by Indians to cure headaches and such things ?   So, now I also 
> wonder
> if someone just pulled my leg, as a rusted bolt can cause a headache 
> too...
> :-)
>
>
> Bill Brox
>
> billbrox at online.no


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 16 18:58:27 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:58:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Notify Homeland Security - Aussie on the Loose
Message-ID: <1155779907.44e3cd4368683@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Well we're all packed and ready to roll to Baraboo / Portland in the morning.
We've had reports that the CIA wants to have words with our favorite Aussie,
Reg.  My feeling is that they're gonna have to catch him first!!

See ya all at Baraboo / Portland.  I can feel the Aura of Happiness building
now.  8-)))))

Arnie & Reg




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Aug 16 19:57:53 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:57:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000901c6c179$fda5c160$0100000a@tea20>
References: <000901c6c179$fda5c160$0100000a@tea20>
Message-ID: <dd4651c179dc91ea6566cf08d6eff47a@chartertn.net>

They should have it. MIght be in the spice section of a food store, as 
well.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Thanks, but where is the natural place to look for it, the pharmacy ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Aug 16 16:38:20 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:38:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
In-Reply-To: <006c01c6c146$902ede60$a28ff504@Ed>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<006c01c6c146$902ede60$a28ff504@Ed>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060816193558.01afd570@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:13 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:
>I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL 
>tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone 
>could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified 
>place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is 
>an optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done 
>already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my 
>pick up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just 
>trying to do a little something for the group.
>
>Ed Stoller

GREAT idea Ed! Don't know why someone had not thought of it before! I will 
get to Portland on Sunday in the afternoon. I'll have the SEL Canopy and 
banners with me. See you there!
         Dave 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Aug 16 20:10:52 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:10:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
	Hospital
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060816230924.02ebbe10@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  Just to let you all know so those that want can participate we are doing 
a donation-fund raiser at Portland to help Sheila defray some of the added 
expenses due to Bobs accident. As most of you know Canada has the universal 
medical coverage but this does not help out on fuel costs and lost pay. He 
has coverage for loss of pay but Bob is the type that worked 60-80 hours a 
week. And we believe that the pay only goes up to 40 hrs a week. This fund 
raiser is intended to give a few extra dollars to help defray the costs of 
a 45 minute one way drive each day to the hospital and such. So stop in at 
my vending spot in Row H at Portland or  the spot of Phil Devries in row M 
and drop some pocket change in the jar and sign the get well cards we will 
have there. We are also accepting baked goods for a bake sale as well. Or 
anything to sell, garden veggies whatever ya got to spare!!
  If you can't make it to Portland and you want to help out you can mail a 
check made out to Sheila Bolhuis to my address to be added to the fund.
So if you can dig deep and lend a hand.
  My address is below.

                                        Thank You,    Mark
Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Aug 17 02:22:54 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:22:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060817112024.00ae6080@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         I got an eMail from a guy in England asking to identify an engine 
/ lighting plant. Could anyone help please.
I've put pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery/index.htm>

Thanks for looking

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  


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From paul at semidiesel.com  Wed Aug 16 10:01:29 2006
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:01:29 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book
In-Reply-To: <006901c6c145$37a3e570$a28ff504@Ed>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<006901c6c145$37a3e570$a28ff504@Ed>
Message-ID: <44E34F69.5040103@semidiesel.com>

David may be slow to answer, his local exchange is down and he has no 
Broadband - estimate was 2 to 3 days.

Cheers
Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



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From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 17 07:46:41 2006
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:46:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
References: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000c01c6c20b$f69ef840$37a09b18@jake>

Hello Paul:  Have not had a reply from you. Please advise.

Arthur buchanan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help


Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me 
and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he 
hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the 
engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another 
bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was 
happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if 
any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:15:02 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:15:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Manitoba Electrical Museum and Lister Start-O-Matic
Message-ID: <6f6025160608171215w1a87586fl63ce63b8650ebc79@mail.gmail.com>

We have been in contact with Ron Kirby at the museum, they have been
offered an incomplete  Lister Start-O-Matic generator set and are
unsure as to its repairability.

It has been out in the weather and the control boxes are missing, but
Ron would really like an engine guy to have a look and help with the
decision.

Does anyone on the Lists live close enough to pop and see Ron?

The Museum website is at:

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/about_us/electrical_museum.shtml

I will pass on any contact info if required.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Aug 17 13:24:54 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:24:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine/ No answers!!
Message-ID: <200608172230437.SM00536@new.databak.co.za>

Hi the list,
         12 hours after posting and not a single reply yet !! You can't ALL 
be packing for Portland <grin>.
         I got a bit more info on the engine and have added it to the page.
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery.htm>

Thanks
Jerry

Hi All,
         I got an eMail from a guy in England asking to identify an engine 
/ lighting plant. Could anyone help please.
I've put pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery/index.htm>

Thanks for looking


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Aug 17 13:55:22 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:55:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine/ No answers!!
References: <200608172230437.SM00536@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <008601c6c23f$75f07960$3ac10b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine/ No answers!!


> Hi the list,
>         12 hours after posting and not a single reply yet !! You can't ALL 
> be packing for Portland <grin>.
>         I got a bit more info on the engine and have added it to the page.
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery.htm>
> 
> Thanks
> Jerry
> 
> Hi All,
>         I got an eMail from a guy in England asking to identify an engine 
> / lighting plant. Could anyone help please.
> I've put pics here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery/index.htm>
> Thanks for looking

Hi Jerry, this has been posted a couple of times before without any answers.
The engine was for sale at the 1000 engine rally and no-one there could identify it.
I post a previous reply below.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> These engine pictures were sent to me the other day and I just
> got around to putting them up.  Any help will be appreciated.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/tony/
> Thanks and take care.
> Ken Christison

Hi Ken, I saw the engine for sale at the Astle Park rally.
It was much discussed but nobody knew the manufacturer.
I thought it looked a little like a Glasgow but others said it wasn't.
The picture of the engine on sale is below.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/551708179/2654545010028520097bGYhWp#

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Aug 17 23:25:10 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:25:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello,
  As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix of 
good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going on and 
is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY serious 
condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still ongoing. They 
are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And trying to decide what to 
do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a more extended stay in the 
hospital than we had hoped. It may be several Months before he is out. They 
are planning a move for Bob to a Brain Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he 
can be moved from Victoria Hospital. But this may not be for a while. The 
liver and spleen damage seems to be taking good care of itself.
  Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep them 
coming, Please.
And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is letting on 
so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can take donations by 
Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
  Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a 
donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine area 
too? Let me know.

                                        Sincerely,  Mark
Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Aug 18 01:20:47 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:20:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000901c6c29f$37941cc0$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Mark,

I recently acquired the personal collection of Ralph Waters Maytag Engines
which I will be bringing to Portland to dispose of. If I can sell one of 
them
"suckers" I will donate the profit to the fund raiser for Shelia.. In fact 
if
a certain "Matag Fan" whose intials are D.R. buys two of them I will donate
the profits from those two. If you took one of them down to your space you
would probably sell it for more then I would because I just want to
move them. I will be set up on Ave Q arriving Tuesday P.M. I
would like to make this donation in memory of  Bernie Hartmann, Ralph
Waters and Arnie Hartman. Three great engine guys who have left us.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine  (12 miles from Turner, ME where the "Muted Creature"
                     was found).

Cell Phone No. 207-462-1708





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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Aug 18 04:07:43 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:07:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1314C85D320C1B1F198255BB420@phx.gbl>

Mark..Paypal says that Frappi @ wcoil.com (remove spaces) is unable to 
accept money.

Please advise

RickinMt.
















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:25 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital


> Hello,
>   As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix of
> good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going on and
> is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY serious
> condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still ongoing. They
> are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And trying to decide what 
> to
> do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a more extended stay in the
> hospital than we had hoped. It may be several Months before he is out. 
> They
> are planning a move for Bob to a Brain Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he
> can be moved from Victoria Hospital. But this may not be for a while. The
> liver and spleen damage seems to be taking good care of itself.
>   Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep them
> coming, Please.
> And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is letting on
> so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can take donations 
> by
> Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
>   Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a
> donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine area
> too? Let me know.
>
>                                         Sincerely,  Mark
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Home #419.358.5206
> Verizon Cell
> #419.516.2996 Mark
> #330.475.4450 Christine
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Fri Aug 18 04:35:17 2006
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:35:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
 Hospital
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>

Hi Mark,

I'm from down south (Houston,TX) and don't know Bob but have been 
following the updates and praying for him and his wife. I can't make 
Portland and don't do Paypal but will be glad to send a check to the 
address in this email if that is ok.

Tom

I'll be glad to send a checkOn Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:25:10 -0400
  Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>  As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix 
>of 
> good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going 
>on and is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY 
>serious condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still 
>ongoing. They are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And 
>trying to decide what to do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a 
>more extended stay in the hospital than we had hoped. It may be 
>several Months before he is out. They are planning a move for Bob to 
>a Brain Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he can be moved from Victoria 
>Hospital. But this may not be for a while. The liver and spleen 
>damage seems to be taking good care of itself.
>  Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep 
>them 
> coming, Please.
> And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is 
>letting on so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can 
>take donations by Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
>  Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a 
> donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine 
>area too? Let me know.
> 
>                                        Sincerely,  Mark
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
> 
> Home #419.358.5206
> Verizon Cell
> #419.516.2996 Mark
> #330.475.4450 Christine 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Aug 18 07:21:56 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:21:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] "Border Bob" Fund Raiser Attn: Mark
Message-ID: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Mark,

I recently acquired Ralph Water's personal collection of Maytag Engines which I will be bringing to Portland to sell. If I can sell
one of those"suckers" I will donate the profit to the fund raiser for Shelia. In fact if a certain "Maytag Fan" whose initials are D.R
buys two of them I will donate the profits from those two. If you took
one to your space you would sell it for more profit than me. I just
want to move them. I will be set up on Ave. Q arriving Tuesday P.M.
I would like to make this donation in the memory of Bernie Hartmann,Ralph Waters, Arnie Hartman and John Hamink . Great
engine men who have left us.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine  (12 miles from Turner, Maine where the
                     "Muted Creature was found).

From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 06:47:46 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:47:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Dave Croft
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818094530.02e65620@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave, I sent an email to dave.croft at ntlworld  but I believe there should 
be a    .uk or something at the end of that?   Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 06:52:03 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:52:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
  Hospital
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1314C85D320C1B1F198255BB420@phx.gbl>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<BAY109-DAV1314C85D320C1B1F198255BB420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818094836.02ec18e0@pop3.wcoil.com>

The pay pal account to send to is bbblues11 at hotmail.com  user gaelicwood
We are setting up a new bank account today to handle the funds till we pass 
it on to Bob and Sheila.            Thank You,   Mark


At 07:07 AM 8/18/06, you wrote:
>Mark..Paypal says that Frappi @ wcoil.com (remove spaces) is unable to
>accept money.
>
>Please advise
>
>RickinMt.

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 06:58:03 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:58:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] "Border Bob" Fund Raiser Attn: Mark
In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818095515.02ed2eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello Charlie,
  Bring it on, we will set it out and put a price on it and see what happens.
I'll be in row H so I'll be looking for you.
                                   Thank You, Mark


At 10:21 AM 8/18/06, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>I recently acquired Ralph Water's personal collection of Maytag Engines 
>which I will be bringing to Portland to sell. If I can sell
>one of those"suckers" I will donate the profit to the fund raiser for 
>Shelia. In fact if a certain "Maytag Fan" whose initials are D.R
>buys two of them I will donate the profits from those two. If you took
>one to your space you would sell it for more profit than me. I just
>want to move them. I will be set up on Ave. Q arriving Tuesday P.M.
>I would like to make this donation in the memory of Bernie Hartmann,Ralph 
>Waters, Arnie Hartman and John Hamink . Great
>engine men who have left us.
>
>Charlie Bryant
>Jay, Maine  (12 miles from Turner, Maine where the
>                      "Muted Creature was found).
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 07:03:48 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:03:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
  Hospital
In-Reply-To: <web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818095249.02ec4430@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello Tom, Yes the address listed below will get the check to us.
Thank you for your generosity.        Mark

At 07:35 AM 8/18/06, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>
>I'm from down south (Houston,TX) and don't know Bob but have been 
>following the updates and praying for him and his wife. I can't make 
>Portland and don't do Paypal but will be glad to send a check to the 
>address in this email if that is ok.
>
>Tom
>
>I'll be glad to send a checkOn Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:25:10 -0400
>  Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>>Hello,
>>  As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix of 
>> good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going on 
>> and is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY 
>> serious condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still 
>> ongoing. They are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And trying 
>> to decide what to do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a more 
>> extended stay in the hospital than we had hoped. It may be several 
>> Months before he is out. They are planning a move for Bob to a Brain 
>> Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he can be moved from Victoria Hospital. 
>> But this may not be for a while. The liver and spleen damage seems to be 
>> taking good care of itself.
>>  Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep them 
>> coming, Please.
>>And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is letting 
>>on so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can take 
>>donations by Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
>>  Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a 
>> donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine 
>> area too? Let me know.
>>                                        Sincerely,  Mark
>>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>>454 Co. Rd. 33
>>Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>Home #419.358.5206
>>Verizon Cell
>>#419.516.2996 Mark
>>#330.475.4450 Christine
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 07:24:08 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:24:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] "Border Bob" Fund Raiser/Dave Croft
In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818101502.02ed0e20@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  How many of you remember the accident that Dave Croft had a few years 
back? He had severe head injuries from getting driven over by a auto and 
was unconscious for several weeks. The engine group got together then and 
raised funds and sent them on to him the same as we are planning to do for 
Bob now. Well...... Dave has a sum of money left over that he kept seperate 
and he has decided that remainding amount should now go on to Bob.

                                             Thank You,   Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Aug 18 09:51:51 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:51:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <410-220068013192015828@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220068013192015828@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44E5F027.3080706@insulate.co.uk>

Here you go, Tim - and anyone else interested!
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/croxton/croxton.htm

Dolly

Tim Christoff wrote:

>Can't wait.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
>>no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
>>to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
>>wood, digging holes etc.
>>Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
>>its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
>>get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
>>cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
>>twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see it 
>>in action.
>>I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
>>soon as possible!
>>
>>    
>>


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 18 11:10:57 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:10:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E5F027.3080706@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F387B2F7BF32981E5837DCAC8420@phx.gbl>

Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is linked to 
#10 instead of #11.

=================

>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>
>Here you go, Tim - and anyone else interested!
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/croxton/croxton.htm
>
>Dolly
>
>
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Aug 18 11:34:23 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:34:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F387B2F7BF32981E5837DCAC8420@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F387B2F7BF32981E5837DCAC8420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Luke

Thanks - and for the correction!  I've fixed the bad link, but I can't 
find the other problem.  Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some 
REALLY wierd stuff sometimes when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I 
was testing that correction, I had a pretty picture of a waterfall come 
up, hit reload and got my picture.  Recently, I kept getting someone 
elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) popping up, and sometimes it 
took several reloads to get the right page to show.

Dolly

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!
>
> P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is 
> linked to #10 instead of #11.
>
> =================



-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Aug 18 12:09:46 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:09:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <015501c6c2f9$df447a50$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Jim

I saw some strange stuff earlier on as well.  I wonder if it is
load-related?  Whatever, retrying (later, sometimes) seems to fix a lot of
it.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim French
> Sent: 18 August 2006 19:34
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
> 
> Hi Luke
> 
> Thanks - and for the correction!  I've fixed the bad link, 
> but I can't 
> find the other problem.  Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some 
> REALLY wierd stuff sometimes when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I 
> was testing that correction, I had a pretty picture of a 
> waterfall come 
> up, hit reload and got my picture.  Recently, I kept getting someone 
> elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) popping up, and 
> sometimes it 
> took several reloads to get the right page to show.
> 
> Dolly
> 
> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> 
> > Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!
> >
> > P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is 
> > linked to #10 instead of #11.
> >
> > =================
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Aug 18 12:10:16 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:10:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <015601c6c2f9$f0a94c30$8335c53e@doc>

PS - loved the pictures!


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim French
> Sent: 18 August 2006 19:34
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
> 
> Hi Luke
> 
> Thanks - and for the correction!  I've fixed the bad link, 
> but I can't 
> find the other problem.  Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some 
> REALLY wierd stuff sometimes when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I 
> was testing that correction, I had a pretty picture of a 
> waterfall come 
> up, hit reload and got my picture.  Recently, I kept getting someone 
> elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) popping up, and 
> sometimes it 
> took several reloads to get the right page to show.
> 
> Dolly
> 
> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> 
> > Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!
> >
> > P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is 
> > linked to #10 instead of #11.
> >
> > =================
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 18 17:31:14 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:31:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F29EE38AB62A549F801D865C8430@phx.gbl>

I thought the strange pages and weird pictures loading was just me or my 
computer. Appears it is something to do with the server? I know Jim is away 
at Buckley right now.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=================

>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>
>Hi Luke
>
>Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some REALLY wierd stuff sometimes 
>when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I was testing that correction, I had 
>a pretty picture of a waterfall come up, hit reload and got my picture.  
>Recently, I kept getting someone elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) 
>popping up, and sometimes it took several reloads to get the right page to 
>show.
>
>Dolly
>




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 18 18:27:23 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:27:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
Message-ID: <410-2200686191272346@earthlink.net>

Nifty.  Thanks Dolly.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/18/2006 11:51:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
>
> Here you go, Tim - and anyone else interested!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/croxton/croxton.htm
>
> Dolly
>
> Tim Christoff wrote:
>
> >Can't wait.
> >
> >Tim Christoff
> >Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
> >>no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
> >>to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
> >>wood, digging holes etc.
> >>Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
> >>its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
> >>get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
> >>cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
> >>twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see
it 
> >>in action.
> >>I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
> >>soon as possible!
> >>
> >>    
> >>
>
>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 18:41:10 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:41:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818213132.02ec9100@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  Today Bob was allowed to sit in a chair for a half hour and take a few 
steps. No other news.

Make donation checks out to Bob & Sheila Bolhuis  and mail to the address 
at the bottom of this note.

We have set up a savings account at The Citizens National Bank in Bluffton 
Ohio in Bob and Sheilas name with myself as the administrator for deposit 
purposes. So checks can be made out directly to them and ownersip of the 
money never in question. And deposits from cash donations can be made 
directly to this account. And this will also allow for donations directly 
thru Pay Pal. This should be ready by Monday. We will keep a complete set 
of books for the donors to review on request.
                                   Thank You, Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 04:07:41 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:07:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status
Message-ID: <46e.56c6711.32184afd@aol.com>

Hi List,
The new fuel tank (purchased from Lee Pedersen) is finally  installed in the 
IHC M 3 HP.  It took a several hours to get the fuel fill  pipe, the drain 
line, fuel outlet line and fuel tank mounting  holes to align with the existing 
holes in the base of the  engine.  Needless to say, the fuel tank mounts had to 
shimmed to get the  fuel piping to match the interfacing holes in the base.  
Hooking up the fuel pick up line was another little  challenge.  The fuel 
pick up was fabricated from 3/8" copper tube.  A  brass fitting was attached to 
end of the fuel pick up line so that a fine screen  could be soldered to it.  
At the top of the fuel tank, there is a ?"  soldered pipe flange.  The 3/8" 
fuel outlet line was silver solder to a ?"  reducing bushing  and then inserted 
into the tank.  Just outside of  the engine base, this fuel line was fitted 
with a 3/8" to ?" compression fitting  so it could match the size of the fitting 
on the inlet of the fuel pump.  
A used fuel pump was obtained from Skip Landis.   The fuel  pump outlet check 
valve came without the "B" nut.  Of course, a new 3/8"  nut was too big in 
diameter.  The female ?" NPT side of  a   brass fitting  (?" NPT to 3/8") was 
drilled to match the  existing check valve outlet.  This fitting was then 
soldered to the check  valve.
New copper lines are being fabricated to connect the fuel system to  and from 
the fuel pump to the carburetor along an overflow line  back to the fuel tank.
Even though the engine is running using a buzz coil, a reproduction  
understrike ignitor has been ordered from Ted Brookover.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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<DIV><STRONG>Hi List,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>The new fuel tank (purchased from Lee Pedersen)&nbsp;is finally 
installed in the IHC M 3 HP.&nbsp; It took a several hours to get the fuel fill 
pipe, the drain line, fuel outlet line and fuel tank mounting 
holes&nbsp;to&nbsp;align with&nbsp;the existing holes in the base of the 
engine.&nbsp; Needless to say, the fuel tank mounts had to shimmed to get the 
fuel&nbsp;piping to&nbsp;match the interfacing holes in the base.&nbsp; 
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Hooking up the fuel pick up line was another little 
challenge.&nbsp; The fuel pick up was fabricated from 3/8" copper tube.&nbsp; A 
brass fitting was attached to end of the fuel pick up line so that a fine screen 
could be soldered to it.&nbsp; At the top of the fuel tank, there is a ?" 
soldered pipe flange.&nbsp; The 3/8" fuel outlet line was silver solder to a ?" 
reducing bushing&nbsp; and then inserted into the tank.&nbsp; Just outside of 
the engine base, this fuel line was fitted with a 3/8" to ?" compression fitting 
so it could match the size of the fitting on the inlet of the fuel pump.&nbsp; 
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>A used fuel pump was obtained from Skip Landis. &nbsp; The fuel 
pump outlet check valve came without the "B" nut.&nbsp; Of course, a new 3/8" 
nut was too big in diameter.&nbsp;&nbsp;The&nbsp;female ?"&nbsp;NPT side&nbsp;of 
a&nbsp;&nbsp; brass fitting&nbsp; (?" NPT to 3/8")&nbsp;was drilled to match the 
existing check valve outlet.&nbsp; This fitting was then soldered to the check 
valve.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>New copper lines are being fabricated to connect the fuel system to 
and from the fuel pump&nbsp;to the carburetor&nbsp;along&nbsp;an overflow line 
back to the fuel tank.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Even though the engine is running using a buzz coil, a reproduction 
understrike ignitor has been ordered from Ted Brookover. 
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12"><B>Francis 
Maciel<BR>Santa Maria, CA 
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Aug 19 04:10:07 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:10:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Simplicity on ebay
Message-ID: <002001c6c380$08614360$f1d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

If you like Simplicity engines, take a look at this....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300016242072

John



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 19 04:39:17 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:39:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>
References: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>
Message-ID: <44E6F865.2080704@steamengine.com.au>

Hehehe... Ed! You realise what you've done? You've taken the electronic list to Portland and made a paper based bulletin 
board out of it... oh the incredible irony!

Paul

George & Norma Armstrong wrote:
> I think it is a good idea Ed.               George F. Armstrong
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:20 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
> 
> 
>> I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL
>> tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone
>> could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified
>> place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is
> an
>> optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done
>> already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my pick
>> up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just trying
>> to do a little something for the group.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 19 04:43:55 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E6F97B.5010603@steamengine.com.au>

Hi Peg & Bill (& list),
Sorry to hear of the loss of your dad - my family's thoughts are with your family at this terrible time. I too lost my 
dad to cancer - his was bowel cancer. Because of it, I undertake the indignity of an internal exam (guess where they go 
in?) every three years. There is no excuse for not doing it - sure the dignity suffers but when you think about the 
consequences...

Regards
Paul

William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
> I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the 
> most curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my 
> Mother after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
> 
> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his 
> bones, the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get 
> your PSA checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
> 
> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need it.
> 
> See some of you Thursday.
> 
> Peg Pfeiffer
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug 19 05:46:27 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:46:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Simplicity on ebay
In-Reply-To: <002001c6c380$08614360$f1d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <002001c6c380$08614360$f1d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <44E70823.30807@scrtc.com>

Wow John, that is NEAT!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> If you like Simplicity engines, take a look at this....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300016242072
>
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Aug 19 05:59:44 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:59:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 7 hp Economy
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11132B0C88A1C1219A3317BB430@phx.gbl>

  Went and eyeballed a friends 7hp yesterday.  Something I've never seen 
before were 2 "V-Belt" grooves in the "Off" side flywheel...belt pulley was 
on the "On" side.  Also new to me was a crankguard which may have been an 
add-on.

  Has a Webster..after recharging the magnets according to Ted's 
instructions..still no spark...no voltage out of the Webster itself.  Will 
look for a reversed armature today.

  Can't fathom what the v-belts might have been used for...

  Regards,
RickinMt. 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 12:52:51 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:52:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 7 hp Economy
Message-ID: <c00.1f2745b.3218c613@aol.com>

Rick,

 My 1925 7hp Economy came with a Wico PR but I have had numerous problems 
over the years keeping it running on the PR.  Ted Rebuilt it twice and I have 
fooled with some it too. It gave me a fit a couple of months ago and have 
switched back to an EK now and running fine.  They are great running engines.  Check 
it out, near bottom of engine page, sitting on trailer.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Index.htm

I am sure the V grooves were cut by some previous owner, and the crank guard 
I am not sure of either. Just now a quick look at Glenn's Hercules book notes: 
 "By the early 1920's, sheet metal crankcase enclosures were available for 
all size engines up to 7hp."  Maybe they were extra and therefore not many 
ordered due to additional cost and OSHA was not around!

Taking mine in a few minutes to the car crusie-in at the local mall for a fun 
evening.  All these beautiful cars with $10,000 paint jobs sitting there 
doing nothing, and my piece of junk is the only thing there running!!!  Millie has 
to drag me to the truck way after dark as all these folks standing around 
asking what is it, how does it run, what does it do, etc?????

This evening has to almost on the same entertainment plateau as being at 
Portland!  HA!  

Life is good!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug 19 14:13:40 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:13:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Bound.....Soon
Message-ID: <44E77F04.3050803@scrtc.com>

I hope everyone has a safe trip to Portland.  I'll get there on Wed. 
morning and will be bringing a 3 HP Hagan engine on trucks.  If someone 
could camp out for me  the space where I've set up the last several 
years, I'd appreciate it.  I'll set my canopy up behind the tree, 
between it and the blacktop.  I'll have extra chairs and plenty of water 
and drinks for those who need it.  The weather looks pretty good (for 
Portland), 80 to 85 degrees each day and a 20 % chance of rain each day 
until the weekend when it increases.  Not Bad!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug 19 18:58:06 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:58:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Peter Murray's Contact Info
Message-ID: <44E7C1AE.30003@scrtc.com>

Does anyone have an email address for Peter Murray from Australia?  If 
not an email address, maybe a phone number?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sat Aug 19 23:26:12 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:26:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Address for Marv Hedberg
Message-ID: <44E80084.5010008@insulate.co.uk>

Hi

Does anyone have an email address for Marv Hedberg?  He sent me a mail, 
and my anti-spam software dumped it before I could read it!
Thanks,

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 23:51:39 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:51:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Address for Marv Hedberg
In-Reply-To: <44E80084.5010008@insulate.co.uk>
References: <44E80084.5010008@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608192351x36ba10c9i6c0e5594f35a9786@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/08/06, Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone have an email address for Marv Hedberg?  He sent me a mail,
> and my anti-spam software dumped it before I could read it!
> Thanks,
>
> Dolly
>

marvhed at ecenet.com

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug 20 01:32:19 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:32:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Address for Marv Hedberg
In-Reply-To: <C10D573B.2544%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
References: <C10D573B.2544%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <44E81E13.8030506@insulate.co.uk>

Thanks for the replies - I'll try both!

Dolly

Rob Skinner wrote:

>Who takes care of ya, baby?  It's marv at toolingunlimited.com
>
>Just sitting  here reading a 1920's machine tool book while waiting for a
>video to render.  The bottle of wine is almost empty, so the new video will
>probably have to wait until morning.
>
>Rob  
>
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=
>Rob Skinner
>La Habra, California
>http://www.rustyiron.com
>iChat: rob_skinner at mac.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Aug 20 05:00:41 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:00:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mecca!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060820075538.0d77c830@mail.alltel.net>

I'm off to Portland! I should arrive about 2:00 this afternoon. I've talked 
to Ellen and there is room for additional List members (and friends) at the 
annual ATIS dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday at 6:00. Let me know at 
the show if you wish to join us!
	Dave



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug 20 05:22:02 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:22:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 7 hp Economy
References: <c00.1f2745b.3218c613@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV105DF0CAF0B38885097049BB400@phx.gbl>

Thanks Glenn and Tom.  Will try to find PO and maybe get some history on 
this engine for my friend.  One doesn't often see where the flywheels 
"Drive"...so to speak.

  Worked on the Webster yesterday (no spark) and did find a reversed 
armature.  Thot I'd read somewhere when armature is reversed, one will still 
get a weak spark so I dug further.  I now believe the brass cover was 
shorting out the output via the wire terminal under it.  Has nice spark now.

  Tom, we were invited to show at a car show, but Kathy's family reunion 
came on the same weekend.  We have quite a few car shows..so should be fun 
and will go at the next invite.

  Take care guys..thanx again.

RickinMt.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 7 hp Economy


> Rick,
>
>  My 1925 7hp Economy came with a Wico PR but I have had numerous problems
> over the years keeping it running on the PR.  Ted Rebuilt it twice and I 
> have
> fooled with some it too. It gave me a fit a couple of months ago and have
> switched back to an EK now and running fine.  They are great running 
> engines.  Check
> it out, near bottom of engine page, sitting on trailer.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Index.htm
>
> I am sure the V grooves were cut by some previous owner, and the crank 
> guard
> I am not sure of either. Just now a quick look at Glenn's Hercules book 
> notes:
>  "By the early 1920's, sheet metal crankcase enclosures were available for
> all size engines up to 7hp."  Maybe they were extra and therefore not many
> ordered due to additional cost and OSHA was not around!
>
> Taking mine in a few minutes to the car crusie-in at the local mall for a 
> fun
> evening.  All these beautiful cars with $10,000 paint jobs sitting there
> doing nothing, and my piece of junk is the only thing there running!!! 
> Millie has
> to drag me to the truck way after dark as all these folks standing around
> asking what is it, how does it run, what does it do, etc?????
>
> This evening has to almost on the same entertainment plateau as being at
> Portland!  HA!
>
> Life is good!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug 20 22:42:03 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:42:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

Yes, I?m blaming the tool.  It?s a Harbor Fright 20 ton press.

What can go wrong with a press you ask?  Hmph.  I?ll tell you.

You know those big cast platens that you get with the press?  The ones over
an inch thick?  Do you know the noise it makes when the frame of your press
is stressed out at 20 tons and then the platen breaks, releasing all that
energy and sending shrapnel flying all over the place?

It would probably be pretty cool if you weren?t standing in the middle of
it.  If you are, it ain?t cool.  Pictures of the bits at
http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html

It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
anything serious, back it up with some real metal.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner








From billbrox at online.no  Mon Aug 21 00:02:26 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:02:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <dd4651c179dc91ea6566cf08d6eff47a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000001c6c4ef$c61dd6f0$0100000a@tea20>

Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I sell my
house....   Very expensive.


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: 17. august 2006 04:58
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen

They should have it. MIght be in the spice section of a food store, as 
well.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Thanks, but where is the natural place to look for it, the pharmacy ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Mon Aug 21 05:34:08 2006
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:34:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <57f.3c8902a.321b0240@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:


> 
> What can go wrong with a press you ask?  Hmph.  I?ll tell you.

Hi Rob,
Good story, and even better with pictures! Glad you weren't hurt!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10>In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
What can go wrong with a press you ask?&nbsp; Hmph.&nbsp; I?ll tell you.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Hi Rob,</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Good story, and even better with <I>pictures</I>! Glad you weren't hurt!<BR>
<BR>
Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, <BR>
Yucca Valley Ca., USA<BR>
KG6TVW, KG6TVV<BR>
<I>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!<BR>
</I>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&amp;a=30951078&amp;pw=</FONT></HTML>


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 06:00:44 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:00:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <57f.3c8902a.321b0240@aol.com>
Message-ID: <019801c6c521$d0a51430$99781941@pengy>

Why the hell would they use cast iron for a member that will be placed in 
tension?  That is just plain stupid.  I would just have someone flame cut a 
piece of heavy plate for the new platen.  I don't know how readily available 
steel is way out west but that is certainly the way to go.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WinkAndGinger at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:


>
> What can go wrong with a press you ask?  Hmph.  I?ll tell you.

Hi Rob,
Good story, and even better with pictures! Glad you weren't hurt!

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10>In a message 
dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com 
writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
What can go wrong with a press you ask?&nbsp; Hmph.&nbsp; I?ll tell 
you.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: 
#ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" 
LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: 
#ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Hi 
Rob,</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: 
#ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: 
#ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Good 
story, and even better with <I>pictures</I>! Glad you weren't hurt!<BR>
<BR>
Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, <BR>
Yucca Valley Ca., USA<BR>
KG6TVW, KG6TVV<BR>
<I>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!<BR>
</I>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&amp;a=30951078&amp;pw=</FONT></HTML>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 21 09:51:01 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:51:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <019801c6c521$d0a51430$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <C10F3285.258E%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

On 8/21/06 6:00 AM, "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> I don't know how readily available
> steel is way out west but that is certainly the way to go.

Steel?  Is that anything like lugmolium?
Maybe Wink can steal me some.

Thanks for the tip.  I'll start watching for some big chunks of plate.

Rob







From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 21 10:15:38 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:15:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <200608211600.k7LG04Rj014142@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060821191401.00aeae08@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 21/08/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:42:03 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


Hi Rob,
         Look on the bright side - the hydraulics seemed to work O.K. <grin>.!!


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 12:01:54 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:01:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <C10F3285.258E%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
References: <019801c6c521$d0a51430$99781941@pengy>
	<C10F3285.258E%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608211201u1c06edf0tf5a8985bf5c4f242@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/08/06, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip.  I'll start watching for some big chunks of plate.
>
> Rob
>

Sneak round to your local laser/lazer profiler and see what they have
in offcuts. You can pick up some serious weight in metal if it is too
small for their cutting frames, and they would probably do a bit of
work on it while you are there....  Beer Tokens are obligatory!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Aug 21 12:14:38 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:14:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <20060821.153428.1080.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Rob for the "Heads up".

I've used a press at a local shop and I think the platens are made of
solid steel - not cast.

But - at least - you demonstrated that the Harbor Freight Press had
enough tonnage to break something.

On another note.

A little while ago, I bought a 2000 lb winch from Harbor Freight as a
spare.
And - Installed it to be sure it worked.

First, with 50 ft of 3/16 cable on the spool, I was constantly unjambing
cable from between the spool and the housing that holds it.  I felt that
there was too much cable for the small spool and I cut 20 foot of cable
off leaving 30 feet.

Now - While winching my 400 lb. IDEAL up the ramp into my truck (with
single cable) the winch was really
straining and clicked OFF.  Oh DAMN - Over heat.
It came back on - but - This has never happened with my 1500 lb winch.

How do they rate these things ???

2000 lbs - on wheels - down hill ???

From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug 21 06:58:51 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:58:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <200608211359.k7LDxBNV048763@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42 PM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


Pictures of the bits at
http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html

It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
anything serious, back it up with some real metal.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner

~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob, thank you for the heads up.  I have the HF 12 ton press, but the
platens are the same as yours.  From now on I'll not trust them.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 14:23:51 2006
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:23:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <200608211359.k7LDxBNV048763@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <000801c6c568$1948f440$1febb748@mycomputer>

Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better". 
and we buy it....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
>
>
> Pictures of the bits at
> http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html
>
> It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
> anything serious, back it up with some real metal.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> http://www.rustyiron.com
> iChat: rob_skinner
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Rob, thank you for the heads up.  I have the HF 12 ton press, but the
> platens are the same as yours.  From now on I'll not trust them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug 21 16:12:38 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:12:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <200608211359.k7LDxBNV048763@mail-gw.fsr.net>
	<000801c6c568$1948f440$1febb748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c6c577$4f41a4c0$168531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Name me something that is not made in China........it's called free 
trade,get used to it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


> Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better". 
> and we buy it....
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42 PM
>> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
>> Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
>>
>>
>> Pictures of the bits at
>> http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html
>>
>> It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
>> anything serious, back it up with some real metal.
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=
>> Rob Skinner
>> La Habra, California
>> http://www.rustyiron.com
>> iChat: rob_skinner
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Rob, thank you for the heads up.  I have the HF 12 ton press, but the
>> platens are the same as yours.  From now on I'll not trust them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Orrin
>>
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 21 16:17:51 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:17:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <000801c6c568$1948f440$1febb748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <C10F8D2F.25AC%rskinner@rustyiron.com>


On 8/21/06 2:23 PM, "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better".
> and we buy it....

Here's something to think about and to bring the conversation fully on
topic...

A long time ago on a continent far, far away, there were dudes building
engines.  They were Frenchmen, Germans, Englishmen, and even a few of those
Scotsmen...  The engines that they built were fabulous creations.  They were
complex mechanisms built to a high degree of precision.  Not only were these
engines built for functionality, but they were built with an equal concern
for aesthetics.

Then a few years later, a bunch of uncivilized yahoos across the ocean and
half a world away got the notion that they, too, could build engines.  But
these yahoos only copied the basic concepts of the existing engines.  They
took the basic idea, cheapened it up, eliminated expensive parts, ignored
precision and abandoned aesthetics.  These "engine" builders flooded markets
with their inexpensive machines.  Established builders of "quality" engines
fell by the wayside as consumers snapped up the cheap copies.

Who were the manufacturers of these sloppy imitations?  They called
themselves "Americans."  They were to become the most powerful industrial
force the world has ever known.

So it would appear that the Wal-Mart Concept was alive and well long before
Sam Walton ever started offering goods and discounted prices...

Rob





 


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner









From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Aug 21 16:43:46 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:43:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
References: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <11c24f365db01fffc63609e90b5155de@chartertn.net>

> You know those big cast platens that you get with the press?  The ones 
> over
> an inch thick?  Do you know the noise it makes when the frame of your 
> press
> is stressed out at 20 tons and then the platen breaks, releasing all 
> that
> energy and sending shrapnel flying all over the place?

Man! That's kinda like a flywheel kaboom.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Aug 21 16:45:26 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000001c6c4ef$c61dd6f0$0100000a@tea20>
References: <000001c6c4ef$c61dd6f0$0100000a@tea20>
Message-ID: <f63319a56030d32af9907ddc5482e6c0@chartertn.net>

I'm sure some industrial wholesaler has it cheap by the barrel, but 
you'll have to hunt for it.

BTW, I never said I use this stuff myself. :-)

John

On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I 
> sell my
> house....   Very expensive.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Aug 21 17:11:26 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:11:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <f63319a56030d32af9907ddc5482e6c0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <036a01c6c57f$826a4980$8335c53e@doc>

I found some in my chemical supplies catalogue at GBP 11.25 for 500 ml, or
about 20 USD a pint.  I see from doing some Googling that it is also called
Betula Oil, and that it can be poisonous, less than a teaspoonful has been
known to cause death in children...


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Culp
> Sent: 22 August 2006 00:45
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
> 
> I'm sure some industrial wholesaler has it cheap by the barrel, but 
> you'll have to hunt for it.
> 
> BTW, I never said I use this stuff myself. :-)
> 
> John
> 
> On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Bill Brox wrote:
> 
> > Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I 
> > sell my
> > house....   Very expensive.
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 17:25:47 2006
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:25:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <C10F8D2F.25AC%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6c581$83cfe210$1febb748@mycomputer>

yeah, ya gotta love us yanks..


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


>
> On 8/21/06 2:23 PM, "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better".
>> and we buy it....
>
> Here's something to think about and to bring the conversation fully on
> topic...
>
> A long time ago on a continent far, far away, there were dudes building
> engines.  They were Frenchmen, Germans, Englishmen, and even a few of 
> those
> Scotsmen...  The engines that they built were fabulous creations.  They 
> were
> complex mechanisms built to a high degree of precision.  Not only were 
> these
> engines built for functionality, but they were built with an equal concern
> for aesthetics.
>
> Then a few years later, a bunch of uncivilized yahoos across the ocean and
> half a world away got the notion that they, too, could build engines.  But
> these yahoos only copied the basic concepts of the existing engines.  They
> took the basic idea, cheapened it up, eliminated expensive parts, ignored
> precision and abandoned aesthetics.  These "engine" builders flooded 
> markets
> with their inexpensive machines.  Established builders of "quality" 
> engines
> fell by the wayside as consumers snapped up the cheap copies.
>
> Who were the manufacturers of these sloppy imitations?  They called
> themselves "Americans."  They were to become the most powerful industrial
> force the world has ever known.
>
> So it would appear that the Wal-Mart Concept was alive and well long 
> before
> Sam Walton ever started offering goods and discounted prices...
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> http://www.rustyiron.com
> iChat: rob_skinner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Aug 21 19:32:58 2006
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:32:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] V-12 jimmy carb question
Message-ID: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

a V12 GMC engine followed us home over the weekend,  minus the 2 carbs,,, 
and from what little info i;ve gotten, most of em used  two 2GC rochester 
carbs,,,after checking around town and not having ANY luck finding one ( 
seems the dirt track guys have gleaned em all up ), i logged onto Ebay and 
found several listings,, i did have one stuck in the back cabinet of the 
shop, but have no idea what it came on,,, the carbs on Ebay are listed as 
"small bore" or "large bore" , so here is my question: does anyone know what 
the bore size is for large or small bore ? if i knew, i could measure the 
one carb i have and then match the one i buy to the same bore diameter,,,,,
i could use a more common carb like a 2 barrel holly or motorcraft, but 
would have to use
flange adapters, as the 2G's have smaller bolt patterns,,, or, a couple of 
propane mixers would really make it simple,,,, but a couple of gasoline 
carbs sitting in the middle of 12 zoomies would sure look neater,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas 




From billbrox at online.no  Tue Aug 22 01:44:51 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:44:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <036a01c6c57f$826a4980$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <000401c6c5c7$3f0a20f0$0100000a@tea20>

Hi,

Well, I have searched here, and I think my conclusion is that it is not
found at a normal price in Norway. I can buy it at a normal price, but then
I have to buy 25 liters....  a plastic can.  US $ 400.00   And who needs 25
liters ?   Then in small quantities, like 500 ml, it cost about US $ 100.00

Seems I have to wait for the spring and ruin the birches around here.


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scales
Sent: 22. august 2006 02:11
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen

I found some in my chemical supplies catalogue at GBP 11.25 for 500 ml, or
about 20 USD a pint.  I see from doing some Googling that it is also called
Betula Oil, and that it can be poisonous, less than a teaspoonful has been
known to cause death in children...


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Culp
> Sent: 22 August 2006 00:45
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
> 
> I'm sure some industrial wholesaler has it cheap by the barrel, but 
> you'll have to hunt for it.
> 
> BTW, I never said I use this stuff myself. :-)
> 
> John
> 
> On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Bill Brox wrote:
> 
> > Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I 
> > sell my
> > house....   Very expensive.
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Aug 22 08:15:44 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:15:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
Message-ID: <20060822.081545.1644.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I haven't been paying close attention to this thread.  I have about 1
oz.. left in a 4 oz. bottle that someone can have for postage costs. 
Contact me off list.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:44:51 +0200 "Bill Brox" <billbrox at online.no>
writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Well, I have searched here, and I think my conclusion is that it is 
> not
> found at a normal price in Norway. I can buy it at a normal price, 
> but then
> I have to buy 25 liters....  a plastic can.  US $ 400.00   And who 
> needs 25
> liters ?   Then in small quantities, like 500 ml, it cost about US $ 
> 100.00
> 
> Seems I have to wait for the spring and ruin the birches around 
> here.
> 
> 
> Bill Brox
> 
> billbrox at online.no


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 22 11:25:30 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:25:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: V-12 jimmy carb question 
In-Reply-To: <200608221600.k7MG05Qj008388@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F18A1F45E08843BD3741A02C7460@phx.gbl>

Bill, these engines were common in trucks.  Do some checking on the antique 
truck sites.  Since the V-12 is 2 V-6s put together you may need two of the 
carbs used on the V-6.  The American Truck Historical Society ATHS has a 
nice discussion board with some very knowledgeable folks.   Also ask on the 
ATCA (Antique truck club)  I would think that old 2barrel Rochecter carbs 
should be pretty common.

>   13. V-12 jimmy carb question (Bill Boyce)
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:32:58 -0500
>From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
>Subject: [SEL] V-12 jimmy carb question
>To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9 at BillyBob>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>a V12 GMC engine followed us home over the weekend,  minus the 2 carbs,,,
>and from what little info i;ve gotten, most of em used  two 2GC rochester
>carbs,,,after checking around town and not having ANY luck finding one (
>seems the dirt track guys have gleaned em all up ), i logged onto Ebay and
>found several listings,, i did have one stuck in the back cabinet of the
>shop, but have no idea what it came on,,, the carbs on Ebay are listed as
>"small bore" or "large bore" , so here is my question: does anyone know 
>what
>the bore size is for large or small bore ? if i knew, i could measure the
>one carb i have and then match the one i buy to the same bore diameter,,,,,
>i could use a more common carb like a 2 barrel holly or motorcraft, but
>would have to use
>flange adapters, as the 2G's have smaller bolt patterns,,, or, a couple of
>propane mixers would really make it simple,,,, but a couple of gasoline
>carbs sitting in the middle of 12 zoomies would sure look neater,,,
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 22 11:30:05 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:30:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3793ED0F0D366D1E69DA17C7460@phx.gbl>

I have a relatively modern briggs on a garder tiller.  The engine sat to 
long with gas in it and there is now shellac in the carb.  The old gas has 
been drained and new added.  I cleaned the carb sufficient to get the engine 
running.  It actually ran pretty good for awhile.  I shut it down and the 
next day it won't run again.  I can get it to run with by choking it with my 
hand so I know that there is a fuel flow problem.  Is there anything I can 
add to the gas tank that will clean the gummy stuff as it runs?  I thought 
of putting coleman fuel in but I'm not sure what it will do to the engine 
that is working under a load.




From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 11:54:10 2006
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:54:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Goold Muir and Shapley Magneto
Message-ID: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Goold Muir and Shapley verticle engine with the square
hopper.  Long ago, the magneto was replaced with a metal plate and a
spark plug.  Which type of magneto did these engines have on them?
Any help is greatly appreciated.

-- 
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
"I'll bet my drunken cat on that!"


From mullt at att.net  Tue Aug 22 11:54:20 2006
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:54:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
Message-ID: <082220061854.23.44EB52DC0008376D0000001721612436469B04049A03@att.net>

Back in the days when car engines still had carbureators, they had carb cleaner. I think it is still available. You would spray it on the outside and down the carb throat and it would remove the varnish.

You might be able to find a similar fuel additive. I would try and auto parts store, they can probably recommend something.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andy Glines" <andyglines at hotmail.com>
> I have a relatively modern briggs on a garder tiller.  The engine sat to 
> long with gas in it and there is now shellac in the carb.  The old gas has 
> been drained and new added.  I cleaned the carb sufficient to get the engine 
> running.  It actually ran pretty good for awhile.  I shut it down and the 
> next day it won't run again.  I can get it to run with by choking it with my 
> hand so I know that there is a fuel flow problem.  Is there anything I can 
> add to the gas tank that will clean the gummy stuff as it runs?  I thought 
> of putting coleman fuel in but I'm not sure what it will do to the engine 
> that is working under a load.
> 
> 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Aug 22 14:06:45 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (joseph l betz)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:06:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
Message-ID: <20060822.171055.1168.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Andy,

Coleman Fuel won't do anything to the engine nor will it clean anything
up.
It is just a more refined gasoline.

I've always used denatured alcohol to clean gas tanks and carburetors.

Soak the carb over night if you have to.  Put denatured alcohol in the
tank and clean it out.

I don't think leaving some alcohol in the tank will hurt.

I don't think it will do a lot of good to add it to your gas.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         May is Motorcycle Awareness Month.
 (_o_)                    "Look twice - Save a life".


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Aug 22 14:43:30 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:43:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] V-12 jimmy carb question
In-Reply-To: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <442f64c50a2f2ebf6874061529581e56@chartertn.net>

Post some pictures of that thing, Bill!

John

On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Bill Boyce wrote:

> a V12 GMC engine followed us home over the weekend


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Aug 22 14:57:44 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:57:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
References: <20060822.171055.1168.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001401c6c635$ffd540d0$6400a8c0@home>

   I have always used a product called " Sea Foam " you put it in the gas 
tank and get the engine running and if you can keep it running long enough 
it eats the varnish away , be careful of the alcohol as it sometimes draws 
moisture in humid conditions and will corrode the inside of the carb if its 
made of aluminum and sits too long , we use Sea Foam  in our boat motors 
once a year after  winter storage . most auto parts stores carry it .
Rex Hinz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joseph l betz" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rotten gas


> Hi Andy,
>
> Coleman Fuel won't do anything to the engine nor will it clean anything
> up.
> It is just a more refined gasoline.
>
> I've always used denatured alcohol to clean gas tanks and carburetors.
>
> Soak the carb over night if you have to.  Put denatured alcohol in the
> tank and clean it out.
>
> I don't think leaving some alcohol in the tank will hurt.
>
> I don't think it will do a lot of good to add it to your gas.
>
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/         May is Motorcycle Awareness Month.
> (_o_)                    "Look twice - Save a life".
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Aug 22 16:10:59 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:10:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Goold Muir and Shapley Magneto
In-Reply-To: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44EB8F03.6010008@wightman.ca>

Hi Paul,

They usually had a Webster I believe


Duncan


Paul Anderson wrote:

> I have a Goold Muir and Shapley verticle engine with the square
> hopper.  Long ago, the magneto was replaced with a metal plate and a
> spark plug.  Which type of magneto did these engines have on them?
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 22 17:39:46 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:39:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>

It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
passed away this afternoon.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas






From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Aug 22 17:54:53 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:54:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1171513b99c788b6611c0005b0f774af@chartertn.net>

Oh, no!

Ted will be sorely missed.

John

On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Tim Christoff wrote:

> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted 
> Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Aug 22 18:07:14 2006
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:07:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c6c650$7f3cc450$a644e5d8@gary>

I am saddened and shocked by the news.  I knew Ted's illness was slowing 
down his involvement with engines and magnetos, but I didn't know that his 
illness had progressed so far.  I guess I am making an assumption, that he 
could have been injured in an accident.  I considered Ted a good friend 
although from a geographical distance.  I had the honor of spending an 
afternoon with him while he worked rebuilt a mag for me.  I thought I was 
going to leave it with him and pick it up later, instead he rebuilt it right 
then.  It was in rough condition and he had to make parts for it.  I was 
impressed with his skill and knowledge.

Tim, will you please keep us informed about the arrangements for his 
service, or will you be at Portland?

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Aug 22 18:10:18 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:10:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601c6c650$e696be80$6500a8c0@ibmhlcs6ptj6iw>

What a loss to all us engine collectors , I didn't know Ted personally but I 
feel very close for I have used his knowledge over and over , deep regrets 
to all his family and friends ,  may the Lord Be with Him and His Family.

  Rex Hinz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Aug 22 18:42:15 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:42:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <1171513b99c788b6611c0005b0f774af@chartertn.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
	<1171513b99c788b6611c0005b0f774af@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <44EBB277.2020601@scrtc.com>

A good engine man, a good friend.  He'll be greatly missed by all who 
knew him.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Oh, no!
>
> Ted will be sorely missed.
>
> John
>
> On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Tim Christoff wrote:
>
>> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted 
>> Brookover
>> passed away this afternoon.
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 22 19:00:41 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:00:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <410-2200683232041562@earthlink.net>

I will post it as soon as I know Gary.  They tell me that he suffered a
heart attack while in the hospital having some test done.  No, I won't be
able to make Portland this year.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/22/2006 8:18:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ted Brookover
>
> I am saddened and shocked by the news.  I knew Ted's illness was slowing 
> down his involvement with engines and magnetos, but I didn't know that
his 
> illness had progressed so far.  I guess I am making an assumption, that
he 
> could have been injured in an accident.  I considered Ted a good friend 
> although from a geographical distance.  I had the honor of spending an 
> afternoon with him while he worked rebuilt a mag for me.  I thought I was 
> going to leave it with him and pick it up later, instead he rebuilt it
right 
> then.  It was in rough condition and he had to make parts for it.  I was 
> impressed with his skill and knowledge.
>
> Tim, will you please keep us informed about the arrangements for his 
> service, or will you be at Portland?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
>
>
> > It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted
Brookover
> > passed away this afternoon.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> > Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Aug 22 22:16:53 2006
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:16:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <20060823051653.93E8B7E425@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Rob, I have a real nice home build hyd. press here and I'm sure it would do the job real good , but it is hard to put a round peg in a square hole......;.,'-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 08/21, Rob Skinner &lt; rskinner at rustyiron.com &gt; wrote:
From: Rob Skinner [mailto: rskinner at rustyiron.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:42:03 -0700Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese ToolsYes, I?m blaming the tool. It?s a Harbor Fright 20 ton press.What can go wrong with a press you ask? Hmph. I?ll tell you.You know those big cast platens that you get with the press? The ones overan inch thick? Do you know the noise it makes when the frame of your pressis stressed out at 20 tons and then the platen breaks, releasing all thatenergy and sending shrapnel flying all over the place?It would probably be pretty cool if you weren?t standing in the middle ofit. If you are, it ain?t cool. Pictures of the bits athttp://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.htmlIt?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but foranything serious, back it up with some real metal.=-=-=-=-=-=Rob SkinnerLa Habra, Californiahttp://www.rustyiron.comiChat: rob_skinner_______________________________________________SEL
  
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 22:20:49 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:20:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608222220i3781c1eek77704eac3e800acd@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/08/06, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>

Very sad news, Ted was a great help to all who contacted him and will
be missed by all engine folks worldwide.

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From segray at mlode.com  Tue Aug 22 22:34:08 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:34:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44EBE8D0.8060506@mlode.com>

   DANG! Having just past our common birthdays recently (July 22), I had 
wondered how he was doing with his physical problems. What a tremendous 
loss!!  Thoughts and prayers to his family.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Tim Christoff wrote:

>It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
>passed away this afternoon.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Aug 22 21:46:08 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:46:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200608230446.k7N4kQSC095933@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover

It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
passed away this afternoon.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas

~~~~~~~~

That comes as a shock!  

We're having the funeral of one of our old iron club members, tomorrow.  Who
will fill their shoes?  

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   







From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Aug 22 15:40:54 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:40:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F3793ED0F0D366D1E69DA17C7460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200608222241.k7MMfEr1029732@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy Glines
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:30 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas

I have a relatively modern briggs on a garder tiller.  The engine sat to 
long with gas in it and there is now shellac in the carb.  The old gas has 
been drained and new added.  I cleaned the carb sufficient to get the engine

running.  It actually ran pretty good for awhile.  I shut it down and the 
next day it won't run again.  I can get it to run with by choking it with my

hand so I know that there is a fuel flow problem.  Is there anything I can 
add to the gas tank that will clean the gummy stuff as it runs?  I thought 
of putting coleman fuel in but I'm not sure what it will do to the engine 
that is working under a load.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Denatured alcohol dissolves gasoline deposits almost instantly.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Aug 23 01:46:18 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:46:18 +1000
Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060823084612.FYKU3131.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am greatly saddened by the loss of such a knowledgeable & friendly man. I
was never fortunate enough to meet Ted in the flesh, but we conversed
frequently via email over the years.
Ted was one of the great personalities in this hobby and will be greatly
missed.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
passed away this afternoon.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas







From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Aug 23 04:38:46 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3465.165.206.180.140.1156333126.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

What the @#$%%$@$??
I also just got word a great fellow in the classic car world passed away -
lost his battle with cancer (R W & B '69 AMX built to the hilt, did custom
upholstry) He was basically a neighbor only a couple of hours from here.
We showed cars together in June.

Man I knew Ted was having some nasty health problems, guess I just never
thought how bad.
Ted was a wonderful fellow - very helpful and fun. We had some great times
when he came to Waukee. He was busy as all get out when here but seemed to
always make time for people. He helped me out on a couple of projects,
including making from scratch the trip setup for the mag on my Simplicity
- from photos and drawings.

He will indeed be missed.

Bill

> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 22 18:21:32 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006001c6c652$78bd2f00$240110ac@PAUL2>

Tim this is awful news, the World will miss this fine gentleman and so will 
all of us SEL folks. I am thankful that the Lord allowed me to know Ted and 
be a friend of his as we all were. I can still see Ted setting on his Golf 
Cart at Portland as he almost ran over me when the cart lunged and I was in 
front of it. We both got a laugh out of it. He rebuilt several ignitors for 
me and his workmanship was of the highest quality.

My prayer will be that the Good Lord will give his family strength and 
understanding and the reminding knowledge that someday they will see Ted 
again.

My sincere condolences to all of his family and friends. Ted, you will be 
sorely missed but we know you are now in a place where there is no more 
sickness and pain.

God Be With You My Friend,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com  Wed Aug 23 10:08:38 2006
From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:08:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <200608231600.k7NG05lI002980@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <C111F5C6.13C81%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>

Very, very sad news. Ted was a wonderful man, a consummate engine fan whose
knowledge ran very deep. He was kind, gracious and always willing to lend a
hand. He will be sorely missed.
Richard
-- 
Richard Backus
Editor in Chief
Motorcycle Classics
www.motorcycleclassics.com
1503 SW 42nd. St.
Topeka, KS 66609-1265
Phone: 785-274-4383
Fax: 785-274-4385



> From: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Reply-To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:00:05 -0400
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22
> 
> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Wed Aug 23 10:26:10 2006
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:26:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted
References: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office>

I'll always remember how Ted kindly agreed to paint the pinstripe on one of my Galloway engines, 
while we were at Portland several years ago. http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Ted.jpg
He was one of the good guys that kept this hobby going.
:-(






From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Aug 23 11:30:47 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:30:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ted
In-Reply-To: <00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office>
References: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
	<00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <44EC9ED7.20307@insulate.co.uk>

Hi John

Yes, some of us have  a permanent reminder of Ted and his skill.  I sat 
this morning looking at the pinstripes he did on Tillie, thinking that 
his mark will literally be on this hobby for a long time to come.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland2001/people/ted.jpg

Dolly

John Cullom wrote:

> I'll always remember how Ted kindly agreed to paint the pinstripe on 
> one of my Galloway engines, while we were at Portland several years 
> ago. http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Ted.jpg
> He was one of the good guys that kept this hobby going.
> :-(
>

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Wed Aug 23 12:00:13 2006
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:00:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Goold Muir and Shapley Magneto
In-Reply-To: <44EB8F03.6010008@wightman.ca>
References: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>
	<44EB8F03.6010008@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <9e7fa74a0608231200k1a906ed5n8b65e56d21312b5f@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/22/06, Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca> wrote:
> They usually had a Webster I believe
>
Does anyone recall which webster?


-- 
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
"I'll bet my drunken cat on that!"


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Aug 23 13:00:27 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:00:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <beb.14f45d2.321e0ddb@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/22/2006 8:46:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:

<<  Ted Brookover
 passed away this afternoon. >>


I am very sorry to learn of the passing of Ted.  I first met him at Kinsers 
many years ago after joining this group of great folks.  He was a fine man 
indeed having accumulated a wealth of knowledge about the ignition systems on 
these engines, and more than willing to share that information and help to all of 
us when asked.  He will be missed by all and only hope that he has passed some 
of that knowledge and repair savvy to others to carry on.  

He was to magnetos that John Hammink was to International engines.

My condolences to his family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 23 15:37:26 2006
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:37:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <BAY102-F3916142DF517DA677A0373CB470@phx.gbl>

Ted's passage is sad news, indeed.  I was fortunate to have lived in the 
same area as Ted, thus saw him pretty regularly when he was active.  He was 
not just a wizard with magnetos and ignitors, he was a gentleman, a very 
patient gentleman with an ignorant audience.  He will be missed as possibly 
no other engineman.

Ted mentioned once he was trying to train an apprentice.  I wonder how that 
project went?

Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com




From eightcycle at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 16:52:57 2006
From: eightcycle at yahoo.com (Mike Moloy)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060823235257.8128.qmail@web33413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ted was a very great person. 
I have know Ted for over ten years as I am a member of
 Mo-Kan Antique Power Assn as was Ted. He not only had
great and vast knowledge of antique gas engines and
mags and ignitors. He was a very great person. I
always learned a lot of Ted. He got two of my engines
running, that I could not get to run and rebuild two
of my mags for two other engines. I was going to say
all of his work was first rate, but it really was
museum quality work. I am very proud to have know Ted
Brookover and I am very very sad at his passing. I
think everybody who knew Ted will have a deep hole in
their heart.

Mike Moloy
Blue Springs, MO

--- Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:

> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and
> loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 23 18:35:57 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:35:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <410-22006842413557140@earthlink.net>

I spoke with Jennifer (Ted's loving wife) last night and she told me what
had happened.  Ted's sister had taken him to the hospital for his daily
treatment, I am not sure what it was but it was helping him out, and after
he was done she took him to the local police dept so he could pick up his
new carry permit.  Right after leaving the police dept, he suffered a major
heart attack.  Jennifer figures he went with a smile since he did in fact
get his carry permit, something he strongly beleived in.  I do not know
when for sure the services will be but I would guess they will be on
Friday.  As soon as I find out I will post it.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas






From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Aug 23 19:24:14 2006
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:24:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004301c6c724$6b984850$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

It's very sad to hear of Ted's passing, he was a great help to many people 
and will be sadly missed.
   Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 23 23:10:26 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:10:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <20060823051653.93E8B7E425@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <C11290E2.266B%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

On 8/22/06 10:16 PM, "Gus" <gibsongus at myway.com> wrote:
>  Rob, I have a real nice home build hyd. press here and I'm sure it would do
> the job real good ,

Hey Gus, 
That press of yours is a rare, one-of-a-kind creation.  And if you had to
buy one of those emergency landing gear pumps for your aircraft, you'd be on
beans and rice for a couple weeks.

Rob





From brock at netspeed.com.au  Wed Aug 23 02:59:46 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:59:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001c6c74e$bd42b580$5f11fea9@merlin>

I,am sad to hear that Ted has passed on . It is a very sad day in the engine 
movement
Brock
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Aug 24 04:21:13 2006
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:21:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover obituary
Message-ID: <410-22006842411211346@coastalnet.com>


Here is a link to the obit page of the Kansas City Star:
http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp
Scroll down the list of names.

Take care.

Ken




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 24 17:23:29 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:23:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <082520060023.17416.44EE43010006063300004408219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Does any one know John Wanat's street address?  Ive got a PO Box but need the 
street address to send a gas tank UPS.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 24 19:16:35 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:16:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
Message-ID: <008901c6c7ec$7dee5b20$240110ac@PAUL2>

Where is a Portland Update? Someone usually by now sends out a update and a few pictures for us "stay at homes".

Paul

From gibsongus at myway.com  Thu Aug 24 22:24:00 2006
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:24:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <20060825052400.7DC4399E26@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Thank you Sir...-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 08/24, Rob Skinner &lt; rskinner at rustyiron.com &gt; wrote:
From: Rob Skinner [mailto: rskinner at rustyiron.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:10:26 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese ToolsOn 8/22/06 10:16 PM, "Gus" wrote:&gt; Rob, I have a real nice home build hyd. press here and I'm sure it would do&gt; the job real good ,Hey Gus, That press of yours is a rare, one-of-a-kind creation. And if you had tobuy one of those emergency landing gear pumps for your aircraft, you'd be onbeans and rice for a couple weeks.Rob_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From george at irontrader.com  Fri Aug 25 09:40:02 2006
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:40:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ted
In-Reply-To: <44EC9ED7.20307@insulate.co.uk>
References: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
	<00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office> <44EC9ED7.20307@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20060825104002.zewt43dr7i80gk48@100megs28.com>

I was surprised to see today that Ted had passed away earlier this week.

I've seen him when I've visited the Portland show and have fond  
memories of the time we spent talking there.

He also did a couple of ignitors for me, plus did a fantastic job of  
rebuilding a Webster Tri-polar that I'd been having problems with.

He will truly be missed by a lot of people in this hobby.

George


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 25 20:01:29 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <008901c6c7ec$7dee5b20$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <20060826030129.93153.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul

Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
(9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  

I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
$1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.

As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....

Steve

--- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Where is a Portland Update? Someone usually by now sends out a update
> and a few pictures for us "stay at homes".
> 
> Paul


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 25 20:31:35 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:31:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
References: <20060826030129.93153.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c6c8c0$22f42720$240110ac@PAUL2>

Thanks Steve, I guess the photo's will be forthcoming sometime next week.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Portland Update


> Paul
> 
> Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
> (9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
> meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
> hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
> rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  
> 
> I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
> $1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.
> 
> As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Where is a Portland Update? Someone usually by now sends out a update
>> and a few pictures for us "stay at homes".
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
>          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
>                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Aug 25 22:43:02 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:43:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <20060826030129.93153.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Paul

Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
(9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  

I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
$1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.

As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....

Steve





From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Aug 26 00:45:29 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:45:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <009301c6c8e3$9b62c270$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

You have got to be kidding??

Ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Portland Update


> I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Paul
> 
> Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
> (9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
> meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
> hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
> rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  
> 
> I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
> $1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.
> 
> As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Aug 26 05:23:11 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:23:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Upcoming Oz Rallies
Message-ID: <20060826122300.LARY3131.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I hope to see a few list members at Macksville next weekend. I brought the
big, vertical Stover home today to clean up ready for the trip north. It had
not been touched since the amazingly wet trip to Manilla a few months ago.
The Stover fired up first try, even with stale fuel.
Don't forget the Clarendon Classic rally here in Sydney two weeks after
Macksville. It should be another great weekend. (OK it is a shameless plug
for my club's rally but it can't hurt).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 09:31:48 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:31:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>

Patrick where is the link to ALL of Steve's Portland 2006 photo's, I saw the 
striped one that you were eluding to but apparently there must be more.

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Portland Update


>I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug 26 09:35:43 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:35:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <3dc6bc62aca6788713848c995208ab82@chartertn.net>

Looks like something my kids would do to a Maytag. ;-)

John

On Aug 26, 2006, at 1:43 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Aug 26 10:26:49 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:26:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <3dc6bc62aca6788713848c995208ab82@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <C115D269.2701%rskinner@rustyiron.com>


>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg

Bravo!  She must be the most patriotic engine out there.  I wish I coulda
been there to stand next to the Eclipse every morning during the playing of
the Star Spangled Banner.  Notice now the MacLeod is carefully oriented so
that there is NO chance of flinging a stray droplet of oil onto the new
paint job.

Rob



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner











From marvhed at ecenet.com  Sat Aug 26 09:53:32 2006
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:53:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

from steve's web site:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006Portland.htm

marv in minn



> Patrick where is the link to ALL of Steve's Portland 2006 photo's, I saw
> the
> striped one that you were eluding to but apparently there must be more.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Portland Update
>
>
>>I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
>> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Aug 26 16:11:50 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:11:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <c40.a2d73e.32222f36@aol.com>

Curt,

He lists his address as Box 275  West Reading, Ct.  06896

He does not list this as a PO box number and I would assume that his address 
is a rural route Box 275.  This is just a guess on my part.  His email address 
is: kingpoleac at aol.com

Many years ago I sent a gas tank back that leaked when I got it and do not 
remember having any trouble shipping back to him.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 26 21:36:55 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:36:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: One for the aussies - does anyone know the drive belt
 sizes for a Masport Shiremaster 720 walk behind mower?
Message-ID: <44F12167.5020601@steamengine.com.au>

Could any of the aussies on list who know the answer to the question in the subject please send me a mail off list. Mine 
dropped its wheel drive belt which got tangled in the rotor drive belt causing both of them to be eaten by the rotor. 
There isn't a big enough bit to identify the belt sizes!

The mower is a 1980's vintage Masport Shiremaster 720 - the local councils used them for plots too small for tractor mowing.

Regards
Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Aug 26 14:22:39 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:22:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
Message-ID: <002501c6c955$c3a2fe40$7dd24c0c@D48VHZ61>

Went to an auction today and brought home a truckload. Although no flywheel 
engines I picked up an old Wright chaisaw, 2-man McCullough, cast iron 
Clinton, A Reo reel mower with about 75% origianl paint and good wheels, and 
a David Bradley brush cutter. Definetly a good day. Lots of old tools, 
belting, buzz coils, farm machinery etc. Sales like that are getting hard to 
come by around here. Looks like we'll be tinkering in the shop this fall.

John Hall 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug 27 03:28:22 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:28:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <082720061028.1243.44F173C60008821E000004DB219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tom, but I have a UPS shipping service at my business and they won't 
ship anything to a PO box.  Guess I will have to give him another phone call 
to reconfirm before I try to ship the old gas tank to him.
Curt Andree


> Curt,
> 
> He lists his address as Box 275  West Reading, Ct.  06896
> 
> He does not list this as a PO box number and I would assume that his address 
> is a rural route Box 275.  This is just a guess on my part.  His email address 
> is: kingpoleac at aol.com
> 
> Many years ago I sent a gas tank back that leaked when I got it and do not 
> remember having any trouble shipping back to him.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From oldengin at verizon.net  Sun Aug 27 05:23:52 2006
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:23:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>

This year was one of the best yet!!!!!!   We now have 10 inch flywheels and 
they are GREAT!    (Thanks Curt) now into the next step of the engin.

Portland has a few flaws that they need to work out but the show was grand! 
No repeat NO rain and yet not overly hot. I had my ussual static display of 
iron but others had some really nice engins running solid. Seen a few I have 
never seen before which where unidentified! and a couple others which I did 
not know the companies made. Tell you now to mark your calender for next 
years show now as it is planned to be even bigger and better than this year! 
Leroy

ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life I 
have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre 
builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me! 



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 27 05:44:10 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:44:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
In-Reply-To: <082720061028.1243.44F173C60008821E000004DB219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000501c6c9d6$7f2cbae0$95bb5904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

If you call information on your phone service they will give you the
physical street address for this person if this helps any.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:28 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address

Thanks Tom, but I have a UPS shipping service at my business and they won't 
ship anything to a PO box.  Guess I will have to give him another phone call

to reconfirm before I try to ship the old gas tank to him.
Curt Andree


> Curt,
> 
> He lists his address as Box 275  West Reading, Ct.  06896
> 
> He does not list this as a PO box number and I would assume that his
address 
> is a rural route Box 275.  This is just a guess on my part.  His email
address 
> is: kingpoleac at aol.com
> 
> Many years ago I sent a gas tank back that leaked when I got it and do not

> remember having any trouble shipping back to him.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 06:18:33 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:18:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
Message-ID: <be5.371ab4a.3222f5a9@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2006 3:16:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jthall at worldnet.att.net writes:

<<  Lots of old tools, 
 belting, buzz coils, farm machinery etc. >>

John,

An old iron man's dream!  Have fun this winter!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 06:23:27 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:23:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <37f.a02b627.3222f6cf@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2006 6:46:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

<<  they won't 
 ship anything to a PO box.  >>

Curt,  

Again, not sure this is a PO BOX as he does not list it as a PO.  For 
instance, my address is RT. 2 Box 87 which is NOT a PO box, but a Rural Route mail 
box which UPS and everyone else delivers to.  Send John an email and confirm his 
shipping address.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 07:31:09 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:31:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Another Portland Ends ...
Message-ID: <44F1ACAD.5050602@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

And although we weren't there to witness it, Arnie and Dave were kind 
enough to phone us during the closing ceremony, in order that we could 
hear the Canadian and American anthems being sung in true Portland style.
I also heard that Dave is to be referred to a "Brother Dave" from now on.

Brother Dave asked me to let you all know that a collection was held at 
Portland and a BIG floral tribute was sent to Ted's funeral on behalf of 
his friends on the SEL.

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 08:05:34 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:05:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
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On 27/08/06, Leroy <oldengin at verizon.net> wrote:

> ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life I
> have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre
> builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
>

That's unusual, Leroy, they have an excellent safety record in Europe.
Was there any common failure mode in the blowouts that you have had?,
ie speed, loading, road surface etc?

Been a long time since we had any kind of failure, probably 8 years
ago, on the van before last. That time we had two go on the same trip,
one was a puncture and one a blowout, but nothing in common.

Current van is about to start its third set of tyres, just over 93000
miles and two years old next month, getting 46,000 out of a set.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 08:38:32 2006
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
In-Reply-To: <082720061028.1243.44F173C60008821E000004DB219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20060827153832.53171.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John Wanat's address is, as follows:
John Wanat
14 Long Ridge Road
West Redding, CT 06896
Hope this helps,
Joe

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From oldengin at verizon.net  Sun Aug 27 09:56:37 2006
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:56:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608270805s526f815ehfd538d27d9bdc6a2@mail.gmail.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Update


> On 27/08/06, Leroy <oldengin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my 
>> life I
>> have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre
>> builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
>>
>
> That's unusual, Leroy, they have an excellent safety record in Europe.
> Was there any common failure mode in the blowouts that you have had?,
> ie speed, loading, road surface etc?

>
> Peter

>
>Only common thing about the tyres is the name, my recommendation is do not 
>buy these tyres!!!!!!!!!
One tire was a Firestone 500 of many years ago. two where cause they where 
over 6 years old?? one for no know reason, one (I think) was for low air 
pressure and this last was a tread separation, as we where leaving Portland 
the camper started with a vibration in the front end and I figured it would 
not make it home..   Leroy
ps story had it that michilin had troubles years ago cause of the way they 
brass coated the steel ? you telling me this is not true? At that time I was 
working for Goodyear and we got lots of papers on the troubles michilin was 
having. 



From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug 27 11:40:13 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:40:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update, now tires
Message-ID: <393401346.1156704013358.JavaMail.root@fepweb12>

-
> 
> >
> >Only common thing about the tyres is the name, my recommendation is do not 
> >buy these tyres!!!!!!!!!
Leroy, we sell  Michelin-BFG-Uniroyal, Bridestone- Firestone, and some private labels. Michelin had some problems in the 80's with their XH series, and some RV manufacturers used a lower ply rating than the vehicle called for, these failed. Time is the worst enemy of a steel belted tire, 5 years is considered the maximum life. The last three numbers of the DOT # is the julian date of manufacture. 093 would be the 9th week of 2003, or possibly 1993. A cheap new tire is better than an old premium tire. On a limited use vehicle like a trailer or a motor home it doesn't pay to put the top of the line if you can't afford to ge rid of them with plenty of rubber on them when the time is up.We had Goodyear fo a few years and had the worst failure rate of any tires we ever sold, rep said we were ordering the wrong tires, not much of an excuse to me. I think Michelin is the best tire we sell , but they are pricing themselve out of the market. I wouldn't try to sell anyone a tire they aren't confident in, they will be unforgiving if anything happens to it. We made it home safely yesterday, the rest of the group is in route, should be home tomorow evening.
J.B. Castagnos.
Belle Rose, LA



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 11:59:51 2006
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:59:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
Message-ID: <327.b3577bd.322345a7@aol.com>

 
Hi John,
If that David Bradley brush cutter is the device with two wheels, and a  
circular saw blade up front with two handles in the rear to hang on to, be very  
careful with it.  I met a fellow who lost a leg to one of those when he was  
clearing brush from a slope.  The saw blade grabbed some brush and instead  of 
cutting, it jerked the machine from his grip rotating it 180? and cut his  leg. 
 His grandson was with him and was able to slow the  bleeding which saved his 
life.  For brush cutting I prefer the two  wheel Gravely with the sulky 
behind.  It can't turn on itself and  does good work in brush.
 
Play safe.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO 
PS:  Those REO engines are interesting, don't you  think? 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2006 2:16:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jthall at worldnet.att.net writes:

Went to  an auction today and brought home a truckload. Although no flywheel  
engines I picked up an old Wright chaisaw, 2-man McCullough, cast iron  
Clinton, A Reo reel mower with about 75% origianl paint and good wheels,  and 
a David Bradley brush cutter. Definetly a good day. Lots of old tools,  
belting, buzz coils, farm machinery etc. Sales like that are getting hard  to 
come by around here. Looks like we'll be tinkering in the shop this  fall.

John Hall 





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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 13:31:27 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:31:27 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <002101c6c9f9$c41332b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608270805s526f815ehfd538d27d9bdc6a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c6c9f9$c41332b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608271331j3a3fc5eh387545fd15fab08e@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/08/06, Leroy <oldengin at verizon.net> wrote:

> >Only common thing about the tyres is the name, my recommendation is do not
> >buy these tyres!!!!!!!!!
> One tire was a Firestone 500 of many years ago. two where cause they where
> over 6 years old?? one for no know reason, one (I think) was for low air
> pressure and this last was a tread separation, as we where leaving Portland
> the camper started with a vibration in the front end and I figured it would
> not make it home..   Leroy
> ps story had it that michilin had troubles years ago cause of the way they
> brass coated the steel ? you telling me this is not true? At that time I was
> working for Goodyear and we got lots of papers on the troubles michilin was
> having.

We have Michelin, Goodyear. Continental and all the regular makes over
here in the UK, plus a lot of tyres from the far east like Hankook and
others. Tyre failures are relatively rare over here, and are usually
confined to damage, under/over inflation or age related perishing of
the rubber compound.

I don't believe that Michelin are any better/worse than other makes,
and I seem to remember other US manufacturers in trouble over tyres in
the past. I tend to buy my tyres based on previous use/experience, our
van currently has Goodyear fitment which will be replaced with the
same next week. The trailer has Hankook (Taiwan/Korea) tyres fitted.

Was it Goodyear that got into problems with the Ford Explorer?
Probably a one-off, but most folks have their favourite horror
stories, regret that we haven't had any over the last million miles or
so, all our rubber has been uniformly good.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 27 16:16:12 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:16:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608271331j3a3fc5eh387545fd15fab08e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608270805s526f815ehfd538d27d9bdc6a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c6c9f9$c41332b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608271331j3a3fc5eh387545fd15fab08e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bdf5454edcb84aaf5106609efb50c4a5@chartertn.net>

> Was it Goodyear that got into problems with the Ford Explorer?

I think that was Firestone, but I could be wrong.

They've all had problems at one time or another.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From asouth at strato.net  Sun Aug 27 21:17:55 2006
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:17:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:OT:  Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2><53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <000901c6ca58$f071cb00$1996123f@LapTop>

Hi Leroy,
I've had a lot of Michelin blow outs on my MH also. I have better luck with 
16" L/T tires B.F. Goodrich.

We had an good time renewing our SEL friendships. Missed not having the 
group picture on Thursday  though.

Hope you all have a great summer engine show season.

If ERNESTO doesn't blow us away, maybe we'll do Portland again next year. 
We're still in Indy as of Sunday PM trying to make an informed decision as 
to go to Fla. or wait a few more days.

To all in Ernesto's path, I wish you well.

C'ya later,
Arthur











Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update


> This year was one of the best yet!!!!!!   We now have 10 inch flywheels 
> and they are GREAT!    (Thanks Curt) now into the next step of the engin.
>
> Portland has a few flaws that they need to work out but the show was 
> grand! No repeat NO rain and yet not overly hot. I had my ussual static 
> display of iron but others had some really nice engins running solid. Seen 
> a few I have never seen before which where unidentified! and a couple 
> others which I did not know the companies made. Tell you now to mark your 
> calender for next years show now as it is planned to be even bigger and 
> better than this year! Leroy
>
> ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life 
> I have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre 
> builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
> _______________________________________________
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Aug 27 18:08:26 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:08:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
References: <327.b3577bd.322345a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c6ca3e$781a9930$d1d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

Yeah Ron, the very one. Scary ain't the word for the way that thing is 
setup. Don't worry, if I need to clear brush it will be with my weedeater or 
a bushog. I don't know how many companies built those but either not many 
wer made or very few have survived. The reason I wanted it was to compliment 
our chainsaw collection---over 40 at last count. It is a nice original piece 
with pretty good paint an decals. I'll probably get it running and leave it 
alone for now---I'm in the middle of a very long tractor restoration that 
will be gearing back up come fall.

As for the Reo---bought the mower for $5. When I first started messing with 
antiques about 20 years ago they were real popular at engine shows---same 
for cast iron Briggs, Clinton, Pincor and Continental engines. Don't see 
them around much anymore. Personally I like to see the restored reel mowers. 
There were quite a few manufacturers and they were painted up rather nicely.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction finds



Hi John,
If that David Bradley brush cutter is the device with two wheels, and a
circular saw blade up front with two handles in the rear to hang on to, be 
very
careful with it.  I met a fellow who lost a leg to one of those when he was
clearing brush from a slope.  The saw blade grabbed some brush and instead 
of
cutting, it jerked the machine from his grip rotating it 180? and cut his 
leg.
 His grandson was with him and was able to slow the  bleeding which saved 
his
life.  For brush cutting I prefer the two  wheel Gravely with the sulky
behind.  It can't turn on itself and  does good work in brush.

Play safe.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO
PS:  Those REO engines are interesting, don't you  think?




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 28 03:16:59 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <082820061016.10942.44F2C29B000ACE5300002ABE219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thankyou very very much Joe!  Now I can get my Fuller & Johnson gas tank 
rebuilt.
Curt Andree


> John Wanat's address is, as follows:
> John Wanat
> 14 Long Ridge Road
> West Redding, CT 06896
> Hope this helps,
> Joe
> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Aug 28 05:02:13 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:02:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060828075845.0347c6a0@mail.alltel.net>

We took up a collection for flowers for Ted at Portland and raised $205.00. 
A floral arrangement (for that amount) was sent in the name of the SEL.
         Dave

At 08:39 PM 8/22/2006, you wrote:
>It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
>passed away this afternoon.
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Aug 28 05:39:50 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:39:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060828082651.036d6370@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	This year at the Portland Dinner and Charity Auction we were fortunate to 
have Beverly and Ned Jinks (she is the one who sings the national anthems 
and he does the prayer each morning) and Doug Etzkorn and his wife, Connie 
(Doug is the Director in charge of  the stationary engine area) join us for 
the dinner and auction. About 60 people attended the dinner and $1686.00 
was raised for charity this year. That's down a bit from years past so lets 
all start thinking about items for the ATIS Charity Christmas Auction so 
that we can have a great one this year!
	Dave
	



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Aug 28 10:14:56 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] info on johnson seahorse motor???
In-Reply-To: <001e01c6ca3e$781a9930$d1d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <327.b3577bd.322345a7@aol.com>
	<001e01c6ca3e$781a9930$d1d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <3367.165.206.180.19.1156785296.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Had a person ask for info on the following, so I pose to the experts here:

Seahorse Motor
Johnson Motor
Model JW16
3 horsepower
Serial # 2004110


Ideas?



Bill
Runnells, IA


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Aug 28 14:24:04 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:24:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F6AF12C76D6860FD8C246FE7380@phx.gbl>

Glad you made it home safely.

Regards,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:23:52 -0400
>
>This year was one of the best yet!!!!!!   We now have 10 inch flywheels and 
>they are GREAT!    (Thanks Curt) now into the next step of the engin.
>
>Portland has a few flaws that they need to work out but the show was grand! 
>No repeat NO rain and yet not overly hot. I had my ussual static display of 
>iron but others had some really nice engins running solid. Seen a few I 
>have never seen before which where unidentified! and a couple others which 
>I did not know the companies made. Tell you now to mark your calender for 
>next years show now as it is planned to be even bigger and better than this 
>year! Leroy
>
>ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life 
>I have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre 
>builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 16:19:43 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
Message-ID: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>

Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the right latch arm I need:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh

I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and he was involved in her care.

If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.

Thanks,

Paul


From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Aug 28 16:26:35 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:26:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] info on johnson seahorse motor???
Message-ID: <2035988086.1156807595452.JavaMail.root@fepweb08>

---- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: 
> Had a person ask for info on the following, so I pose to the experts here:
> 
> Seahorse Motor
> Johnson Motor
> Model JW16
> 3 horsepower
> Serial # 2004110
> 
> 
> Ideas?

Have him post his question here. 

http://www.marineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi

J.B. Castagnos



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 28 18:16:45 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:16:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060828211240.02ebae50@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Paul, Would a horizontal 2? hp Y model Stover use the same latch? Mark

At 07:19 PM 8/28/06, you wrote:
>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>right latch arm I need:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of 
>the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer 
>and he was involved in her care.
>
>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
>please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 18:53:57 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:53:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20060828211240.02ebae50@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c6cb0d$fe309d10$240110ac@PAUL2>

Mark what I have learned is that Stover used a lot of different 
configurations for the latch arm so it is quite possible that the latch 
might work. My latch has to pivot from one end and have an offset in the arm 
as shown in the picture. Thanks for the reply.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Hi Paul, Would a horizontal 2? hp Y model Stover use the same latch? Mark
>
> At 07:19 PM 8/28/06, you wrote:
>>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>>right latch arm I need:
>>
>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 19:07:59 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:07:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
Message-ID: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>

Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.

Thanks,

Paul

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 19:09:36 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:09:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20060828211240.02ebae50@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01c6cb10$2e2a7ed0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Mark I failed to mention that the picture of the head with the latch on it 
that I included with my request came off of a horizontal engine and not a 
vertical.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Hi Paul, Would a horizontal 2? hp Y model Stover use the same latch? Mark
>
> At 07:19 PM 8/28/06, you wrote:
>>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 




From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Mon Aug 28 19:43:58 2006
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:43:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282143020.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

Paul,
You need to get an unloader for the compressor, one for any gas powered
compressor should work as long as it flows enough air.
Andrew.

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Paul Maples wrote:

> Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Mon Aug 28 19:45:09 2006
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:45:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282144250.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

Hi Paul,
If you could come up with the dimensions it looks like one could be made
fairly easily.
Andrew.

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Paul Maples wrote:

> Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the right latch arm I need:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
> I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and he was involved in her care.
>
> If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 28 21:36:37 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:36:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: "Border Bob" Bolhuis 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060828231532.02f056d0@pop3.wcoil.com>

The latest from Sheila is they will move him to a semi private room soon 
and that he is getting some movement in his foot, also that his mind is not 
yet functioning properly yet. So far he says he has visited work, the US 
and Australia in his mind. At least he's enjoying traveling.
Things are coming along slow but steady. He has a phone # number now but we 
will hold off giving that out till he is moved to the other room to avoid # 
confusion. And still waiting for a bed in the rehab center to open up. It 
might be a week it might be two, who knows.
He may or may not recognize the name when you tell him who you are. This 
too is improving slowly.
We are going up tomorrow to visit Bob and Sheila and the boys and deliver 
the Get well cards that were signed at Portland as well as the hugs and 
kisses promised to be delivered. We will be passing the Account info and 
password on to them as well.
  At this point the account stands at $2724.37  with a few more $ to be 
deposited. This figure is the result of the monies passed on by Dave Croft 
from the remainder of donations made to him from the SEL from his accident, 
and general donations collected at Portland in the SEL area and the vending 
spots of Phil Devries and mine. The bake sale proceeds will be delivered in 
cash this weekend. This is an additional $650.
  If you wish to get a donation in, either mail it to the address below 
made out to Bob or Sheila Bolhuis  or Paypal payments can go to the user 
bbblues11 at hotmail.com this will allow the funds to be transfered to their 
new savings account.
  At request of any List members who wish to review it a full accounting of 
the $ collected and deposited will be ready shortly.
                                   Sincerely,  Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 04:27:53 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:27:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F424B9.3050100@imc-group.com>

Paul,
It's funny you should mention this. There was a Stover at Baraboo with 
the latchout you are needing. I took several pictures and in the next 
day or two I'll get the Baraboo and Portland pictures posted. I think it 
will help you out.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the right latch arm I need:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and he was involved in her care.
>
>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Aug 29 05:01:50 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:01:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Safety.."Bolt from the Blue"
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1442288E62EC4FD718F707BB390@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
   Sitting in my chair gazing out the big shed door yesterday, this lag bolt 
fell to the floor just next of me.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565134/2363304090039077051XHFVYX

  What the hell, I thought.  Looked up at here's the garage door opener 
business end laying on my garage door:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565134/2455434050039077051lRevaB

  2 hrs earlier that door was closed.  So I consider myself fairly lucky 
yesterday.  Bottom line recommend ya'll check your bolts..personally I'm 
going to a "J" bolt over the top of the ceiling joist.

  Anytime a wood screw or lag bolt is used, a pilot hole should be drilled 
to help prevent splitting of the wood.  As my ole wood shop teacher used to 
say: "Only the spiral threads hold."

  My friend Corky had several of his heavy mercury vapor ceiling lights fall 
to the floor..After the second one, we took them all down.  Lag bolts had 
been used.

  Hope ya'll check yours and maybe prevent a pretty good headache.

  Best Regards,
  RickinMt.

 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 05:09:05 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:09:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
References: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282143020.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c6cb63$ed8bf0d0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Great idea Andrew, I will pursue this.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed


> Paul,
> You need to get an unloader for the compressor, one for any gas powered
> compressor should work as long as it flows enough air.
> Andrew.
> 
>>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 05:16:17 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:16:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F424B9.3050100@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <004801c6cb64$ee715250$240110ac@PAUL2>

Wow!, exciting news Curt. I will anxiously await the arrival of the pictures 
and if it is the right arm I will began the search for the owner. Thanks for 
the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Paul,
> It's funny you should mention this. There was a Stover at Baraboo with the 
> latchout you are needing. I took several pictures and in the next day or 
> two I'll get the Baraboo and Portland pictures posted. I think it will 
> help you out.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 29 05:34:01 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:34:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <003b01c6cb67$6919b400$c641693a@domain.invalid>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 29 06:00:45 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:00:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] testagain
Message-ID: <00a301c6cb6b$25598200$c641693a@domain.invalid>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsengns at optusnet.com.au 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 29 05:58:15 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:58:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <003b01c6cb67$6919b400$c641693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <20060829125811.HAMG2500.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Loud and clear Edd!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/





From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 07:19:10 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:19:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Enter Grainger p/n 3X818 on page
<http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml>

Unloader pilot valve is adjustable and will monitor tank pressure 
sending a high signal when pressure is reached. The old compressor you 
are using has a manual mechanical unloader I'm guessing. You can tie a 
small air cylinder to the mechanical unloader and let the 3X818 valve 
operate the small air cylinder on and off to unload and load the 
compressor.

Is it a Curtis compressor?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 07:21:39 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:21:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F44D73.3080303@imc-group.com>

Paul,
BTW I have a nice, large Curtis air compressor if you are interested. I 
was going to do the same project you are comsidering, but have other 
projects in mind now. Have pictures if you are interested. It's in real 
nice shape and you can still see the hone marks in the bore!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Aug 29 07:58:51 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <004801c6cb64$ee715250$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul

The engine that Curt is refering to has made the show circuit here in the
midwest... Stover Reunion Freeport,IL (from what I heard)- Franklin
Grove,IL - Sycamore, IL - Baraboo, IL.  It shows a repair and I don't know
if it was original or a home made one.

The owners were from Arizona, but I don't know their name.


Pic:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg

Steve

--- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Wow!, exciting news Curt. I will anxiously await the arrival of the
pictures and if it is the right arm I will began the search for the owner.
Thanks for the help.

Paul
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part

Paul,
It's funny you should mention this. There was a Stover at Baraboo with the
latchout you are needing. I took several pictures and in the next day or
two I'll get the Baraboo and Portland pictures posted. I think it will
help you out.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Aug 29 08:12:36 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:12:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060829111010.01b676c0@mail.alltel.net>


>Unloader pilot valve is adjustable and will monitor tank pressure sending 
>a high signal when pressure is reached. The old compressor you are using 
>has a manual mechanical unloader I'm guessing. You can tie a small air 
>cylinder to the mechanical unloader and let the 3X818 valve operate the 
>small air cylinder on and off to unload and load the compressor.
>Is it a Curtis compressor?
>Curt Holland

Hi Paul,
         I'm not sure that I'd trust the advice of anyone who left a new 
(BIG) blue tarp, his cooler and his son's hoody at Portland
                 Dave
PS, Curt, I'll bring your "stuff" to Cotton Ginning!  



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 09:10:01 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:10:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F17878A0A4A25D276DA9C1B95390@phx.gbl>


Paul. Kenny Wolf had two Stovers at Portland and one had the lock on it! 
Steve

>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:43 -0500
>
>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>right latch arm I need:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the 
>head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and 
>he was involved in her care.
>
>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
>please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 09:18:17 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:18:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44F468C9.6050304@imc-group.com>

It's a small, small world isn't it Steve!
Curt

Steve Barr wrote:

>Paul
>
>The engine that Curt is refering to has made the show circuit here in the
>midwest... Stover Reunion Freeport,IL (from what I heard)- Franklin
>Grove,IL - Sycamore, IL - Baraboo, IL.  It shows a repair and I don't know
>if it was original or a home made one.
>
>The owners were from Arizona, but I don't know their name.
>
>
>Pic:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg
>
>Steve
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 09:24:53 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:24:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060829111010.01b676c0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060829111010.01b676c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <44F46A55.8050604@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Thank you very much for rescuing these items. Apparently Devin relocated 
the cooler from our tarp area during the great International beer 
tasting event. As to the blue tarp and hoodie, well CRS has gotten ahold!
See what happens when Missy is not around?
Curt

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>> Unloader pilot valve is adjustable and will monitor tank pressure 
>> sending a high signal when pressure is reached. The old compressor 
>> you are using has a manual mechanical unloader I'm guessing. You can 
>> tie a small air cylinder to the mechanical unloader and let the 3X818 
>> valve operate the small air cylinder on and off to unload and load 
>> the compressor.
>> Is it a Curtis compressor?
>> Curt Holland
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>         I'm not sure that I'd trust the advice of anyone who left a 
> new (BIG) blue tarp, his cooler and his son's hoody at Portland
>                 Dave
> PS, Curt, I'll bring your "stuff" to Cotton Ginning! 
> _______________________________________________
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>



From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Aug 29 10:40:50 2006
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:40:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <014301c6cb92$451d9c30$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Would a Stover "Freeport" have the same arm?
I know someone that has one and I can take photos if that is what you're 
looking for.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
> (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
> who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
> right latch arm I need:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
> I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of 
> the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer 
> and he was involved in her care.
>
> If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
> please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 11:15:32 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:15:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<014301c6cb92$451d9c30$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <008501c6cb97$1e4a16b0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Dave I would love to see the pictures if you would be so kind as to take 
them for me.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Would a Stover "Freeport" have the same arm?
> I know someone that has one and I can take photos if that is what you're 
> looking for.
> Dave
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 11:40:57 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:40:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Hello John,

Thanks so much for the information but if the pictures below is the engine 
everyone is talking about then the latch arm is the wrong one for my engine.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg

Here is an actual picture of the head on my engine that is missing the latch 
arm, note that the pivot pin that the missing arm will pivot on is located 
at one end of the head and not in the center:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/2456860120049103604XiXPmT
http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/2690034210049103604gnGyUt

John this is why I feel the arm must be of the design shown on this Stover 
head:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh

Have you ever seen a Stover head with this design latch arm on it? I have 
been told that this latch arm was on a Model W or T Stover.

Thanks for all of the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John" <cjclem at sysim.net>
To: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Stover engine


> Paul, The Frreport engine ( Stover) pictured on the list by Curt &
> Steve Barr is owned by Gene & Betty DeCamp od Cottonwood,AZ. I spoke
> with them at Baraboo<Wis show & they had engine there. They were going
> home after that show,  no email so call them evening maybe. Here is
> info:Eugene Decamp
> 646 N Ocotillo St
> Cottonwood, AZ 86326-8006
> (928) 634-2740
> Glad to help you out.  John in MN
>
>
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Aug 29 11:54:04 2006
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <BAY108-F17878A0A4A25D276DA9C1B95390@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002501c6cb9c$7ff1af40$336d4b47@mikecomp>

That's what started this thread, I sent paul the pics when I got home!

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


>
> Paul. Kenny Wolf had two Stovers at Portland and one had the lock on it! 
> Steve
>
>>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:43 -0500
>>
>>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>>right latch arm I need:
>>
>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>>
>>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of 
>>the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer 
>>and he was involved in her care.
>>
>>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
>>please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Paul
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug 29 12:20:30 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] RE: Need Portland Update - Star Spangled Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608291516210.68809@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

To fully appreciate the Star Spangled Eclipse you need to read the "rest
of the story" from Portland 2005.  8-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 13:13:54 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net>
	<00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com>

Paul,
???? Didn't Edd Payne already send you the information on this?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> Thanks so much for the information but if the pictures below is the 
> engine everyone is talking about then the latch arm is the wrong one 
> for my engine.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg 
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg 
>
>
> Here is an actual picture of the head on my engine that is missing the 
> latch arm, note that the pivot pin that the missing arm will pivot on 
> is located at one end of the head and not in the center:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/2456860120049103604XiXPmT
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/2690034210049103604gnGyUt
>
> John this is why I feel the arm must be of the design shown on this 
> Stover head:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
> Have you ever seen a Stover head with this design latch arm on it? I 
> have been told that this latch arm was on a Model W or T Stover.
>
> Thanks for all of the help.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <cjclem at sysim.net>
> To: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:07 PM
> Subject: Stover engine
>
>
>> Paul, The Frreport engine ( Stover) pictured on the list by Curt &
>> Steve Barr is owned by Gene & Betty DeCamp od Cottonwood,AZ. I spoke
>> with them at Baraboo<Wis show & they had engine there. They were going
>> home after that show,  no email so call them evening maybe. Here is
>> info:Eugene Decamp
>> 646 N Ocotillo St
>> Cottonwood, AZ 86326-8006
>> (928) 634-2740
>> Glad to help you out.  John in MN
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 13:32:09 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:32:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>

Not sure I know what you are talking about Curt in regards to Ed Payne. Can 
you bring me up to speed?

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine


> Paul,
> ???? Didn't Edd Payne already send you the information on this?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> 



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 14:17:28 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com>
	<00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>

Paul,
My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead and 
it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I took at 
Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't recall for whom 
now.....
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
Curt

Paul Maples wrote:

> Not sure I know what you are talking about Curt in regards to Ed 
> Payne. Can you bring me up to speed?
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
>
>
>> Paul,
>> ???? Didn't Edd Payne already send you the information on this?
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Aug 29 14:30:48 2006
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:30:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] IHC cooling tank
Message-ID: <007201c6cbb2$6edd4550$c2cce150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi guys,
          I'm looking for the dimensions for a cooling tank and cone screen for a 3hp vertical famous.

        Thanks in advance ,  Craig in Scotland

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 15:10:57 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:10:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com><00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01c6cbb8$01ca3d50$240110ac@PAUL2>

No problem Curt, I was just confused as I had not heard from Ed Payne during 
this last thread regarding me trying to find the proper latch arm for my 
Stover.

Is this latch arm picture you enclosed with this message off of a Stover? If 
so, this is a design I have never seen before. I am trying to document the 
different latch arm designs that I am coming across while looking for my 
correct latch arm. Thanks Curt for all of the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine


> Paul,
> My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead and 
> it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I took at 
> Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't recall for whom 
> now.....
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
> Curt
> 



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 15:59:34 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:59:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
Message-ID: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>

Hey all,
Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006 
show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the 
list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone 
else did. I took SEL engine photos at Portland and they will be up soon 
too. Hope you enjoy these Baraboo pictures:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Paul, your Stover pictures are in these photos.
P.P.S. Don't miss the last photo!


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 16:05:46 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:05:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c6cbb8$01ca3d50$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com><00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>
	<00ec01c6cbb8$01ca3d50$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F4C84A.3050009@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Read the reply more closely :-)
FM vertical meaning Fairbanks Morse.
Oh and I was referring to the last time this thread was discussed, some 
18 months ago. Again, my bad. Must have been a differnt engine and a 
different fellow.
Curt

Paul Maples wrote:

> No problem Curt, I was just confused as I had not heard from Ed Payne 
> during this last thread regarding me trying to find the proper latch 
> arm for my Stover.
>
> Is this latch arm picture you enclosed with this message off of a 
> Stover? If so, this is a design I have never seen before. I am trying 
> to document the different latch arm designs that I am coming across 
> while looking for my correct latch arm. Thanks Curt for all of the help.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
>
>
>> Paul,
>> My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead 
>> and it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I 
>> took at Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't 
>> recall for whom now.....
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
>> Curt
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 29 16:43:56 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:43:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From Jennifer Brookover
Message-ID: <410-220068229234356968@earthlink.net>

Dear Friends: By now, most of you have learned of Teddy's unexpected death 
last Tuesday. My sincerest thanks for the calls, cards, flowers and 
donations that are flowing in. What strength they have been for me and his 
family during these dark days. It has brought a smile for me knowing that 
so many had been touched by his wonderful being, as I was.
 
As I'm trying to begin to put the pieces of my heart back together, with
the 
one piece that will always be missing, forgive me for sending this email 
that will be notification of his passing to many of you, in different 
circles of friendship in our lives.
 
Some of you are life-long, long distance friends that probably haven't 
heard and I'm sorry that I was not able to personally call you to share the 
news. Teddy had been a brave trooper over the past 2 years, when a diabetic 
foot ulcer put him in a wheelchair and during that time did have a big toe 
amputated. We were determined he would get out of that chair and he would 
be back in his workshop and target shooting at the range by the next season 
change. In January-after 18 mths he went 2 weeks with no open wounds and 
we were headed for water therapy to get his muscles recovered so he could 
get out of the wheelchair and walk again. He developed a foot ulcer on his 
right foot, which had never given us any problems. In July, the healing 
started to deteriorate and it was found that he had a staff infection and 
started home IV therapy. They did an agressive outpatient debriedment on 
his foot and we were facing the possibility that he might loose the foot. 
That was going to be quite difficult for us to accept, as he was still able 
to get himself up and out of the wheelchair. He then started daily 2 hr 
hyperbaric oxygen treatments for 20 days and we were wondering how he was 
ever going to endure getting up and going everyday. But as always, we took 
it one day at a time and did it together.
 
I was always with him at Dr. appts and at home--but his final day, he was 
going to his 3rd treatment and his sister, Carol, not I, was going to take 
him and pick him up from the hospital and he was determined that he and his 
sister were going to pick up their conceal and carry permits that they had 
applied for the week before. He left his treatment and went to the sheriffs 
office with her and waited in the car. They were so happy doing this 
together and she pulled from the parking lot, less than a minute later, 
Teddy became short of breath and told her to return to the sherrifs. The 
sherrifs--12 of them began trying to save his life. They kept giving him 
breath until I arrived 55 minutes later at the hospital and I was with him 
for the last breath they gave to him. He never knew his last breath and 
would have been proud that law enforcement officers were trying to save
him. 
They were fabulous, as they gently removed my 6ft 7' 420# husband, from the 
front seat of my Crown Vic, which was no easy task. Teddy died with no 
regrets. They believe it was a blood clot to the lung causing death.
 
He and I had shared a fabulous 22 years together and on the Sunday before, 
talked that we would be leaving for Portland that day if we could still go 
and thought about all of our Mo Kan friends, ATIS, SEL and personal friends 
that were there. He so enjoyed visiting with any and all of you that would 
call to talk about engines, guns or just to see how he was doing.
 
My deepest thanks to many of you that went out of your way to keep in
touch. 
He always told me of every call, when I'd get home from work and his face 
always lit up when someone needed his help. He was a extrodinary man and 
I'm humbled that no wife was ever adored as much as I was. My devotion to 
Teddy was representative of our love for one another and the last words I 
heard, when I left for work that morning, was I love you. Be sure you say 
it everyday to your special ones.
 
Many of you know that Donnie Miller, had been apprenticing with Teddy to 
take over the ignitor and mag business. They were working wonderfully 
together and Donnie was doing great work and intends to carry on. Teddy's 
dad Calvin is still with us and his knowledge will help Donnie and I live
up 
to Ted's promises on work orders. If you have something here at our home, 
or an order, your patience is appreciated and give me a month or so to get 
organized and I'll let you know the status. Of course, if you have 
something pressing or would feel better about putting me on notice, send me 
an email. I'll be using Ted's address. Ted was a man of his word, a 
handshake and I will do the same with all of you.
 
Teddy's service was a wonderful tribute and shortly, I'll be sending out to 
all of you the tribute I read to him at the service. My best friend 
deserved for everyone to know from me that he touched so many. We all lost 
a dear friend, sweet spirit and a helluva a great man on 8/22. His life had 
been full because of all of you.
 
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Jen
 
Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 11:20:37 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:20:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>

Steve the pictures you have included shows the more common "Center Pivot 
Point Arm", in other words the arms pivots on a shaft located almost in the 
center of the arm. If you will look at the picture I sent you the one I will 
have to have pivots on the end of the arm and not in the center. The center 
pivot arm mechanisms are very common to the Stover engines but the "end 
pivot arms" I am finding to be rare.

Are you saying that the pictures you attached to this message is the same 
engine that Curt is talking about?

Thanks for the help.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Paul
>
> The engine that Curt is refering to has made the show circuit here in the
> midwest... Stover Reunion Freeport,IL (from what I heard)- Franklin
> Grove,IL - Sycamore, IL - Baraboo, IL.  It shows a repair and I don't know
> if it was original or a home made one.
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 18:06:45 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:06:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012d01c6cbd0$90772000$240110ac@PAUL2>

Curt these are great pictures and I enjoyed them very much especially since 
I was unable to attend any engine shows this year. I am especially grateful 
to you for remembering me and taking the three special pictures of the 
Stover just for me.

I am anxious to see your Portland pictures.

Thanks, I know how time intensive it is to process all of these pictures so 
that we can all enjoy them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.


> Hey all,
> Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006 
> show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the 
> list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone 
> else 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 29 18:21:35 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20060830012130.GXDI11832.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Curt,
	That picture is a lock out on a F-M.
This is the lockout seen on YB & YC Stover engines (except for the
throttlers):
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg
This is the side pivot one on my DX horizontal:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071703.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Paul,
My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead and 
it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I took at 
Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't recall for whom 
now.....
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
Curt




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 29 18:32:24 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:32:24 +1000
Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] RE: Need Portland Update - Star Spangled Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608291516210.68809@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060830012511.VURK26789.omtas01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

It is always nice when there is an interesting story behind an engine & it
is certainly a much more attention grabbing than either of my two little
Eclipses:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/03091001.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

G'day Patrick,

To fully appreciate the Star Spangled Eclipse you need to read the "rest
of the story" from Portland 2005.  8-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 05:09:49 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:09:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282144250.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <001101c6cb64$0768e1c0$240110ac@PAUL2>

I agree that a good machinist could make this if I just can fine the right 
part to get the drawing and dimension off of. Thanks

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Hi Paul,
> If you could come up with the dimensions it looks like one could be made
> fairly easily.
> Andrew.




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 29 21:19:05 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Update, Border Bob
In-Reply-To: <008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <63586.67.58.204.106.1156911545.squirrel@pobox3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Christine and I have spent a pleasent day visiting the Bolhuises.
First stop was the hospital in St Thomas to see Bob. He was sleeping when
we entered the rooom so we looked over all the cards and gave Sheila the
get well cards-posters from Portland. About this time Bob woke up and
after a while he was looking over the cards and reading the names. We are
not really sure if he recognized any of the names. He seems to have
trouble recognizing names. But looking at someone he seems to recognize
them. In my case It took him a while to figure out my name but he did. He
didn't seem to recognize Christine at all. If he did he didn't speak her
name.
He still has no recollection of the accident. All he says is it seemed
like a perfectly normal day then. He is still very confused and has
problems putting the right words in a sentence. We covered several topics
briefly like the bike, then I told him about the trees along the 401 being
heavily infested with tent worms. Then shortly later he was telling about
how the tent worms were all over his bike. So he's confusing subjects too.
Any ways hes regaining the use of his right foot. He suprised us by gettin
up and going to the can. He shook off Sheilas arm. He was unsteady but he
made it. After a discussion with the nurses Sheila decided we could take
him for a walk with assistance, Someone holding his arm. He balked at
first but after we told him he could walk only if someone was arm in arm
with him he agreed. So out the door Bob and I went arm in arm. All the way
to the end of the hall, back to his room then to the other end of the
hall. He stopped at each end to look out the windows and see the
surroundings. He can still think on work out things. One window looked out
over towards another in the complex and he identified the style and
vintage of the building. But he was tuckered after the walk. By this time
it was his dinner time and Bob seems to have a voracious appetite. Sheila
says hes eating everything in sight.
So in a nutshell the news is improving, improving, improving.
He does not remember visitors nor telephone calls correctly or at all.
 All in all it was good seeing my buddy after the scare he gave us. We
will be with Sheila thru Wednesday am and visit Bob before we head back
south.
                TTYL,    Mark




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 30 05:11:45 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
In-Reply-To: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

One of your pics (P1010043.jpg) is mis-identified.  The half-breed in the
big engine building at Baraboo is a McEwen brothers gas cylinder on a
Farrar & Trefts steam bed, not a Bessemer.

The picture series on the SEL Bessemer "get fit" program was GREAT!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:

> Hey all,
> Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006
> show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the
> list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone
> else did. I took SEL engine photos at Portland and they will be up soon
> too. Hope you enjoy these Baraboo pictures:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Paul, your Stover pictures are in these photos.
> P.P.S. Don't miss the last photo!



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Aug 30 06:43:23 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:43:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <44F595FB.9030604@imc-group.com>

Right you are Arnie! It was about 7:00 after a 12 hour work day when I 
was labling them, and looking at the thumbnails only, the acorn head 
looked Bessemer. Got a bunch more to label yet, and I'll need to look at 
the high res. images to recall the names.
Thanks again.
Curt

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>
>One of your pics (P1010043.jpg) is mis-identified.  The half-breed in the
>big engine building at Baraboo is a McEwen brothers gas cylinder on a
>Farrar & Trefts steam bed, not a Bessemer.
>
>The picture series on the SEL Bessemer "get fit" program was GREAT!!  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>
>  
>



From oldironnut at alltel.net  Wed Aug 30 06:42:06 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:42:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up; Now Horse Weights
In-Reply-To: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <p06230902c11b42730800@[172.21.24.99]>

Curt,

Great shots of the Baraboo show!  On the picture of the horse weights 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/P1010015.html 
) you have a question mark after the description so I'm betting that 
you're wondering what they're for.  The smaller flat ones were for an 
individual horse and the larger ones were more than likely for a one 
or two hitch carriage.  A good horse will be taught to "ground tie," 
meaning when you get off, drop a rein and walk away the horse will 
just stand there.  But back when the horse was your transportation 
you may have to leave them ground tied for an extended period of 
time.  So you would get off and tie one rein to the weight and that 
would provide extra incentive for the horse to stay in one place.  It 
was really just a reminder to them for what they were suppose to do 
though because they could easily drag the weight around.

See ya',
Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 30 20:28:14 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:28:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
Message-ID: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>

I am back


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Aug 30 20:44:20 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:44:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Update, Border Bob
In-Reply-To: <63586.67.58.204.106.1156911545.squirrel@pobox3.wcoil.com>
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<63586.67.58.204.106.1156911545.squirrel@pobox3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <44F65B14.8090501@telenet.net>



frappi at wcoil.com wrote:
> Hi All, Christine and I have spent a pleasent day visiting the Bolhuises.
> First stop was the hospital in St Thomas to see Bob. He was sleeping when
> we entered the rooom so we looked over all the cards and gave Sheila the
> get well cards-posters from Portland. About this time Bob woke up and
> after a while he was looking over the cards and reading the names. We are
> not really sure if he recognized any of the names. He seems to have
> trouble recognizing names. But looking at someone he seems to recognize
> them. In my case It took him a while to figure out my name but he did. He
> didn't seem to recognize Christine at all. If he did he didn't speak her
> name.
> He still has no recollection of the accident. All he says is it seemed
> like a perfectly normal day then. He is still very confused and has
> problems putting the right words in a sentence. We covered several topics
> briefly like the bike, then I told him about the trees along the 401 being
> heavily infested with tent worms. Then shortly later he was telling about
> how the tent worms were all over his bike. So he's confusing subjects too.
> Any ways hes regaining the use of his right foot. He suprised us by gettin
> up and going to the can. He shook off Sheilas arm. He was unsteady but he
> made it. After a discussion with the nurses Sheila decided we could take
> him for a walk with assistance, Someone holding his arm. He balked at
> first but after we told him he could walk only if someone was arm in arm
> with him he agreed. So out the door Bob and I went arm in arm. All the way
> to the end of the hall, back to his room then to the other end of the
> hall. He stopped at each end to look out the windows and see the
> surroundings. He can still think on work out things. One window looked out
> over towards another in the complex and he identified the style and
> vintage of the building. But he was tuckered after the walk. By this time
> it was his dinner time and Bob seems to have a voracious appetite. Sheila
> says hes eating everything in sight.
> So in a nutshell the news is improving, improving, improving.
> He does not remember visitors nor telephone calls correctly or at all.
>  All in all it was good seeing my buddy after the scare he gave us. We
> will be with Sheila thru Wednesday am and visit Bob before we head back
> south.
>                 TTYL,    Mark
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

Thanks for the update.
Accidents can do some strange things to your memory. Back when I was 
still young and stupid I had a bad one on a bike. The only thing about 
it I remember is that the sun was shining and that I was headed toward 
Albany. From the impact till what they tell me was the second day in the 
hospital I don't have a clue. For about 3 months I could barely remember 
my own name. Then suddenly it all popped back with that accident piece 
missing. People ask me what I think occurred and I just tell them that 
God was a bit busy and it took him that long to edit my memories and 
send them back.


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Aug 30 21:17:03 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:17:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <20060831041655.WSHT2500.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There goes the neighbourhood! Welcome back Kerry.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


I am back




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 30 21:59:45 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:59:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test again
Message-ID: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsengns at optusnet.com.au 


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Wed Aug 30 23:20:39 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:20:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test again
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <009a01c6ccc5$949d05a0$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Edd

Read here at 07:20 UTC + 0100

Regards


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> edd payne
> Sent: 31 August 2006 06:00
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] test again
> 
> 
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387  
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 30 07:42:20 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:42:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c6cc42$7feec4a0$424e693a@domain.invalid>

Great pics Curt.Did you get a pic of the Thompson Tiger that was there.Al
Hann told me there was one there that got sold .
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Aug 31 05:17:54 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>
References: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1791.165.206.180.140.1157026674.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT
CAR RELATED

What will heating a master cylinder casting to 450 degrees do to it?
Anything bad?

I've decided to powdercoat the master cylinder when I get my project car
back from the painter dude. It's supposed to be semi-gloss black, as is
the lid. We all know what brake fluid does to paint..........

To powdercoat, the cleaned casting needs to be preheated to 450 to bake
off impurities and such, then you cool it and coat it with the powder,
then put it in the oven at 450 until the powder melts then let it bake at
400 for 20 minutes.
I'll strip all the guts out of it, the residual check valve for the rear
brakes, the pistons/cups and such, but was wondering if baking a master
cylinder casting at 450 degrees will do any harm to the thing??

My son and I have repainted most of the emblems, replacement parts have
been ordered. Many items have already been painted or powdercoated (got
some krinkle black to try on my Maytag twin!) the glass is all out and
cleaned up and patch panels welded into place and finished off.



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug 31 05:23:21 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:23:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
References: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <44F6D4B9.5010604@imc-group.com>

Kerry & Ruth,
Sorry we missed you both when we departed Saturday morning. We left 
about 9:30 and you must have been catching up on sleep.
Travel was uneventful and we were home in 10 hours even.

Work has been hectic this week as I am SO behind. Working 13 hour days 
to catch up. Long weekend coming up as it is out Labor Day weekend.
TTYL,
Curt
P.S. Rob Skinner has his bumcrack Austral up for sale......

Kerry wrote:

> I am back
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug 31 05:28:33 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:28:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <44F6D4B9.5010604@imc-group.com>
References: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
	<44F6D4B9.5010604@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <44F6D5F1.4020607@imc-group.com>

Sorry guys, that was supposed to be offlist to Kerry!
Curt

Curt wrote:

> Kerry & Ruth,
> Sorry we missed you both when we departed Saturday morning. We left 
> about 9:30 and you must have been catching up on sleep.
> Travel was uneventful and we were home in 10 hours even.
>



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 31 06:29:47 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:29:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
In-Reply-To: <1791.165.206.180.140.1157026674.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <002501c6cd01$8858f330$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>

I doubt it would hurt it; a local brake place has some displayed; does
pc in addition to other services.

Lew Best near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting

OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT
CAR RELATED

What will heating a master cylinder casting to 450 degrees do to it?
Anything bad?

I've decided to powdercoat the master cylinder when I get my project car
back from the painter dude. It's supposed to be semi-gloss black, as is
the lid. We all know what brake fluid does to paint..........

To powdercoat, the cleaned casting needs to be preheated to 450 to bake
off impurities and such, then you cool it and coat it with the powder,
then put it in the oven at 450 until the powder melts then let it bake
at
400 for 20 minutes.
I'll strip all the guts out of it, the residual check valve for the rear
brakes, the pistons/cups and such, but was wondering if baking a master
cylinder casting at 450 degrees will do any harm to the thing??

My son and I have repainted most of the emblems, replacement parts have
been ordered. Many items have already been painted or powdercoated (got
some krinkle black to try on my Maytag twin!) the glass is all out and
cleaned up and patch panels welded into place and finished off.

 

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Aug 31 08:40:21 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:40:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
Message-ID: <20060831.084022.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Go for it Bill.  It won't hurt a thing.   Just keep the bore clean, that
stuff is hard to remove.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 11:15:37 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:15:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Re: OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
In-Reply-To: <200608311600.k7VG04t9016511@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F35DDA02357302D53A2BE2EC73F0@phx.gbl>


>OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT
>CAR RELATED
>
>What will heating a master cylinder casting to 450 degrees do to it?
>Anything bad?
>
>I've decided to powdercoat the master cylinder when I get my project car
>back from the painter dude. It's supposed to be semi-gloss black, as is
>the lid. We all know what brake fluid does to paint..........
>
>To powdercoat, the cleaned casting needs to be preheated to 450 to bake
>off impurities and such, then you cool it and coat it with the powder,
>then put it in the oven at 450 until the powder melts then let it bake
>at
>400 for 20 minutes.
>I'll strip all the guts out of it, the residual check valve for the rear
>brakes, the pistons/cups and such, but was wondering if baking a master
>cylinder casting at 450 degrees will do any harm to the thing??
>
>My son and I have repainted most of the emblems, replacement parts have
>been ordered. Many items have already been painted or powdercoated (got
>some krinkle black to try on my Maytag twin!) the glass is all out and
>cleaned up and patch panels welded into place and finished off.

Is your master cylinder cast iron?  If it is 450 may not be hot enough.  You 
will need to bake out/burn off oil in the casting in order for your powder 
to stick.  Even if it is new it will be oily.  Protect the openings and the 
bore when you put the coating on.




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug 31 11:54:57 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:54:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000
Message-ID: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>

Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal 
fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name, but I can't 
find either name on the 'net anymore. Mine finally set up after sitting 
around a few years. I had used about 2/3 of the quart kit. It's good 
stuff and I'd like to replace it.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug 31 12:19:06 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:19:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Quik Poly or XP 2000
In-Reply-To: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <C11C843A.28B8%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

On 8/31/06 11:54 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal
> fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name,




XP2000 is NOT the same as Kwik Poly.  It's a gray market imposter that is
not impervious to gasoline.

The bloke with whom you need to speak is:

Dale Portell
4123 Chartley Drive
Bridgeton , MO  63044

(314) 344-8881    

He has the real deal, original formula Kwik-Poly.  Buy a lot now, tomorrow
he may tire of the business.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner












From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Thu Aug 31 15:29:27 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:29:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000
In-Reply-To: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000601c6cd4c$f53493b0$09b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Do you have any thing lying around like a can or box this came in? if you do
maybe there is an address on this for the company and if so you could call
information and see if the business is still in operation and then if they
are you can give them a call and see if they still sell this or if they have
replaced it with something else. Also folks sometimes forget the Better
Business Bureau can also give you information on companies if they are still
in business or not. Hope this might help some.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:55 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000

Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal 
fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name, but I can't 
find either name on the 'net anymore. Mine finally set up after sitting 
around a few years. I had used about 2/3 of the quart kit. It's good 
stuff and I'd like to replace it.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
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From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Thu Aug 31 15:32:34 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:32:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000
In-Reply-To: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6cd4d$651aaa20$09b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

I went on Google just now and found this web site for Kwik Poly and it
sounds just about what you are talking about. The web address:
www.kwikpolyllc.com/  

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:55 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000

Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal 
fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name, but I can't 
find either name on the 'net anymore. Mine finally set up after sitting 
around a few years. I had used about 2/3 of the quart kit. It's good 
stuff and I'd like to replace it.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Aug 31 16:30:07 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:30:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060901092904.0197cec8@ncable.com.au>

Hi Arnie, mate I see you let Morris touch your engine!! ?????  mmmmmmmmm
  and what it didn't go!

At 10:11 PM 30/08/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Curt,
>
>One of your pics (P1010043.jpg) is mis-identified.  The half-breed in the
>big engine building at Baraboo is a McEwen brothers gas cylinder on a
>Farrar & Trefts steam bed, not a Bessemer.
>
>The picture series on the SEL Bessemer "get fit" program was GREAT!!  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> > Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006
> > show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the
> > list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone
> > else did. I took SEL engine photos at Portland and they will be up soon
> > too. Hope you enjoy these Baraboo pictures:
> > 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/Thumbnails.html>
> >
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> > P.S. Paul, your Stover pictures are in these photos.
> > P.P.S. Don't miss the last photo!
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 18:57:58 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:57:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
Message-ID: <002d01c6cd6a$0d38ede0$424e693a@domain.invalid>

This is for Kerry.Did you meet All Hann at Baraboo.If you did you must be
the Ozy who took the pics of the Thompson Tiger for me.If it wasn't you .WHO
WAS IT.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 20:09:13 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:09:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
References: <002d01c6cd6a$0d38ede0$424e693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <000a01c6cd74$0091bf90$930cecdc@morris>

G'Day Edd

Sorry never met All and did not know about a TT but if I remember correct 
Reg said he took photos for someone, only hope

Kerry
PS. Reg is back end of this month


> This is for Kerry.Did you meet All Hann at Baraboo.If you did you must be
> the Ozy who took the pics of the Thompson Tiger for me.If it wasn't you 
> .WHO
> WAS IT.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 03:13:54 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:13:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] list
Message-ID: <000d01c6cce6$2b30ca40$424e693a@domain.invalid>

Is it just quite or am I not getting mail.Love your pics Curt.Did you get a
pic of the Thompson Tiger that was at Baraboo.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Tue Aug  1 02:24:40 2006
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:24:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Large Venn-Severin engine in Medical Lake, Wa.
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160607312339k76e1277t4e3c4c095ed6179b@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <6f6025160607290019o15a37ce5u3581362fcfdf02ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160607312339k76e1277t4e3c4c095ed6179b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060801022357.05373ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Try this for the first picture:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWell4Cylengine.jpg

Larry

At 11:39 PM 7/31/2006, you wrote:
>On 29/07/06, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>We have had a couple of emails in from David Snipes, Chief Security
>>Officer for Eastern State Hospital in Medical lake, Wa, 99022-0800:
>
>David emailed some pictures overnight:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org.members/diesel/Misc/StateWell4Cylengine.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellEnginebrandplate.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGenerator.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellBrandPlatefactoryinfo.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellExteriorroughprint.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGeneratorcloseup.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/StateWellGlowPlugheater.jpg
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Aug  1 04:55:48 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 05:55:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL
References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV38ED4659F30D68B391986BB5D0@phx.gbl>

Still works for me Curt.

http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/engine.people/full/Holland.Curt.jpg

RickinMt.








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL


> Guys,
> The photo album of the SEL used to be at this link. It no longer seems
> to work. Has the link changed? or is it dead? This was a very nice
> documentation.....
> <http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/engine.people/>
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 04:59:39 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:59:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOIEKCCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F291FD4820EBFE3D39FA17DC85D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Glenn,

I wasn't sure if you were still around on the SEL or not. What ever happened 
to that huge Fairbanks you hauled to NY from down south?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
>
>But the picture link is broken :(
>Glenn
>




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Aug  1 06:18:20 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows, was nice wheels
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>

I ran across this article on cable plows

Steam-operated cable plowing developed successfully in England, using 
a system of two steam engines pulling a cable-drawn plow. The English 
cable plows were capable of traveling safely at up to 4 mph when 
plowing through good soil. The length of the furrow was usually 
measured in 1/2 miles rather than in rods, and the early English 
cable plows, with their short strings of cable, were grossly 
inadequate. By 1870, there were 3,000 steam cable-plowing outfits in 
operation in England and only four outfits operating in the U.S. 
Henry E. Lawrence, a southern planter, used one of these plowing 
outfits on his 1,000-acre sugar estate near New Orleans.

Cable plowing never really took root in North America, owing mostly 
to issues of topography and the large size of our fields, 
particularly in the West. The general use of cable-type steam plows 
was widespread in Germany around the 1890s, and they were still being 
used for reclaiming peat land as late as the 1970s.

http://www.steamtraction.com/article/2003-03-01

Interesting

Frank



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Aug  1 07:28:19 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows, was nice wheels
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <3187.165.206.180.19.1154442499.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

One advantage I could see was the fact that the "tractor" or traction
engine would never get stuck if you hit a wet spot, never sink the wheels
in, etc.

Bill

> I ran across this article on cable plows
>
> Steam-operated cable plowing developed successfully in England, using
> a system of two steam engines pulling a cable-drawn plow. The English
> cable plows were capable of traveling safely at up to 4 mph when
> plowing through good soil. The length of the furrow was usually
> measured in 1/2 miles rather than in rods, and the early English
> cable plows, with their short strings of cable, were grossly
> inadequate. By 1870, there were 3,000 steam cable-plowing outfits in
> operation in England and only four outfits operating in the U.S.
> Henry E. Lawrence, a southern planter, used one of these plowing
> outfits on his 1,000-acre sugar estate near New Orleans.
>
> Cable plowing never really took root in North America, owing mostly
> to issues of topography and the large size of our fields,
> particularly in the West. The general use of cable-type steam plows
> was widespread in Germany around the 1890s, and they were still being
> used for reclaiming peat land as late as the 1970s.
>
> http://www.steamtraction.com/article/2003-03-01
>
> Interesting
>
> Frank
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug  1 07:51:32 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:51:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows, was nice wheels
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801091533.028db278@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <C0F4B884.139D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>




On 8/1/06 6:18 AM, "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com> wrote:
> By 1870, there were 3,000 steam cable-plowing outfits in
> operation in England and only four outfits operating in the U.S.


Hi Frankie,
We Yanks didn't need cable plows because we
could drive our tractors in a straight line.

:-)





















From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 08:03:50 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:03:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows
In-Reply-To: <3187.165.206.180.19.1154442499.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F2124277F995F140D3078E2C85D0@phx.gbl>

It would suck if the plow got plugged and you had to walk to the middle of 
the field to clean it out.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=================

>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>
>One advantage I could see was the fact that the "tractor" or traction
>engine would never get stuck if you hit a wet spot, never sink the wheels
>in, etc.
>
>Bill
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug  1 08:11:53 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:11:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>

Tim,
Since the Ozzies didn't answer I'll take a stab at it. I was quite 
fascinated by the steam traction cable plows we saw at Narracoorte. A 
picture of one is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20247.jpg>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20252.jpg>

As it was explained to me it had nothing to do with speed, but rather 
the desire to eliminate compaction of the soil by the heavy traction 
engine. A pair of traction engines were spaced side by side the cable 
lengths apart. They would yo-yo the plow back and forth between them, 
alternating which engine advanced a plows width. They used toots on the 
whistles to communicate the long distance between the engines in 
foggy/dusty weather. Apparently the plow did move along at a pretty good 
clip, as I heard stories of plows getting caught on buried roots and 
stumps and the plow being launch considerable distance in the air.

Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have 
yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly. 
So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early 
culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer 
could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know 
the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in 
Australia.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

**Tim Christoff wrote:

>Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US?  I have never
>seen a reference to it.  Also, what was the advantage of plowing a feild in
>this way beside the fact that the engines were not traveling through the
>feild, I guess what I am trying to say is, was this method quicker than
>pulling the plow behind a smaller tractor?
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 7/31/2006 5:47:40 AM
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels
>>
>>I can remember, as a child of ten or eleven, watching a pair of Fowler
>>    
>>
>BB's
>  
>
>>(steam tractors, look here, 3rd pic -
>>http://www.oldglory.co.uk/archive/30nov05/ft3.htm) plowing the 20-acre
>>    
>>
>field
>  
>
>>behind our house.  This would have been in 1966 or 1967, well after the
>>    
>>
>end
>  
>
>>of WWII.  As I recall, this working pair used to plow fields,  dredge
>>    
>>
>pools
>  
>
>>and pull out stumps for many years after that.  I do not know if they are
>>still working, but they almost certainly still exist.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>     Pete
>>-- 
>>Peter Scales  
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>john palmer
>>>Sent: 31 July 2006 09:08
>>>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels
>>>
>>>You can see how far behind the British were.We were using 
>>>these things till 
>>>after the second war!!   John
>>>
>>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug  1 08:28:10 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:28:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the cable
plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and did the
cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:

> Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
> yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
> So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early
> culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
> could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know
> the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
> Australia.



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Tue Aug  1 09:27:34 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:27:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Arnie

This is certainly how it was done in the UK - a "contractor" would turn up
and plough your fields / dredge your pond / thresh your corn, etc..  It
still gets done that way today - most smaller farmers do not have the spare
cash for the capital costs of the equipment, so the bigger boys buy the gear
and rent it out (usually with driver).

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arnie Fero
> Sent: 01 August 2006 16:28
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
> 
> Hi Curt,
> 
> Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines 
> and the cable
> plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
> basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm 
> and did the
> cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
> 
> > Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to 
> date, have
> > yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under 
> the belly.
> > So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. 
> In our early
> > culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
> > could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be 
> interesting to know
> > the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable 
> plowing in
> > Australia.
> 
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Aug  1 09:31:30 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:31:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Steam Cable plows
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F2124277F995F140D3078E2C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200608011631.k71GVg3X095681@mail-gw.fsr.net>

The plows had riders, so the engine operator(s) wouldn't have to walk out
into the field.  Take a close look at these pictures.  You'll see the seats
for the rider. 

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/102.jpg

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/111.jpg

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/112.jpg

You can see hundreds more interesting pictures, similar to the above, here:

http://vios1.rdg.ac.uk/olib/images/nof/fowler/photos/tr_fow_ph2_2/

In particular, pictures 031 through 039 and 078 through 115 are related to
the current topic. 

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:04 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Steam Cable plows

It would suck if the plow got plugged and you had to walk to the middle of 
the field to clean it out.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA





From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug  1 10:16:18 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:16:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>

Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 
pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth 
of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and 
used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative 
arrangement.

Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam 
traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
Curt
P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due 
to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a 
kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and 
putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the 
household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have 
the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 
hour process. Later.....

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>
>Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the cable
>plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and did the
>cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
>>yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
>>So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early
>>culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>>could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know
>>the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
>>Australia.
>>    
>>
>
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Aug  1 10:17:30 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:17:30 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <001d01c6b58e$626b23d0$3ac10b52@no1>

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Arnie Fero
>> Sent: 01 August 2006 16:28
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
>> Hi Curt,
>> Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines 
>> and the cable
>> plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>> basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm 
>> and did the
>> cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>> See ya,  Arnie
>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>> 
>> > Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to 
>> date, have
>> > yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under 
>> the belly.
>> > So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. 
>> In our early
>> > culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>> > could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be 
>> interesting to know
>> > the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable 
>> plowing in
>> > Australia.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


> Hi Arnie
> This is certainly how it was done in the UK - a "contractor" would turn up
> and plough your fields / dredge your pond / thresh your corn, etc..  It
> still gets done that way today - most smaller farmers do not have the spare
> cash for the capital costs of the equipment, so the bigger boys buy the gear
> and rent it out (usually with driver).
> Regards    Pete
> Peter Scales  


I can remember in the 1980's this was still the method used to dredge the
bed of a lake just to the rear of the current 1000 engine site.
ISTR that they only used one ploughing engine with a movable anchored 
return pulley on the opposite bank.

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Aug  1 10:22:01 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:22:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>

Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen 
with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an 
18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the 
cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system 
moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is 
the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the 
difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next 
plow swath?

Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Tue Aug  1 11:24:40 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:24:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <042301c6b597$c2d02d70$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Mike

A previous correspondent has quoted a speed of 4 m.p.h. for a cable plough.
I have seen them move fast enough to raise a "bow wave" of soil.  I would
have estimated 10 to 12 m.p.h., but it is nearly forty years ago....

A traction engine in bottom gear could easily raise enough tractive effort
to pull down a house - I've seen that done.  A 1" steel cable was laid out
in a loop all around the base of the building, hitched to the drawbar, and
away she went.  Goodbye, house.

I have also seen a traction engine outpull a tug-o-war team with 500 men on
it, with no trouble whatsoever.  Prior to the outpull, these 500 had the
12-ton engine running backwards (out of gear, I assume) at a good walking
pace.  Engage gear, open throttle, and in two seconds 500 men on their faces
in the dirt.

A lot of the traction engines were compound engines with H.P. and L.P.
cylinders, and some had mechanisms to allow H.P. steam into the L.P.
cylinder for heavy work.  For the sake of illustration, I will assume a 5"
dia. H.P. and a 10" dia. L.P. cylinder, and an operating pressure of 150
p.s.i..  In "emergency" gear, the pressure on the L.P. piston face would be
150 x 5 x 5 x 3.14159 pounds = 11,781 pounds, or 5 1/4 Imperial tons.  This
worked on a crank radius of, let us say, one foot, so developing 11,781
foot-pounds.  This was then geared down substantially to the driving wheels,
shall we say four to one, allowing for the increased radius of the driving
wheels?  It could easily have been a good deal more than that.  At any rate,
this gives a "bollard pull" figure of about 20 tons, or enough to allow the
engine to winch its own weight vertically upwards with plenty to spare.  On
the right surface, the traction engine could easily pull up tree-stumps.

Finally, http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm - of
considerable interest to me, at any rate :-)

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Tucker
> Sent: 01 August 2006 18:22
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
> 
> Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen 
> with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an 
> 18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the 
> cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system 
> moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is 
> the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the 
> difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next 
> plow swath?
> 
> Mike
> -- 
> _____________________
> Mike Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> _____________________
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Aug  1 11:27:23 2006
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:27:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
	<p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <002401c6b598$22c10790$6a00a8c0@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Mike,

A couple of things come to mind that might make a cable plow smaller than a 
pulled plow.  One is the size of the cable needed and also the size of the 
drum needed to wind it up.  The other is not having to use some kind of 
anchor to keep the engine from being pulled sideways.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Tucker" <oldironnut at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen
with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an
18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the
cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system
moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is
the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the
difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next
plow swath?

Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________
_______________________________________________
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Aug  1 12:01:34 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:01:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL
In-Reply-To: <44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com>
References: <44CE4C70.2090509@imc-group.com> <44CE7647.9000005@insulate.co.uk>
	<44CEA062.8050601@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <44CFA50E.5090702@insulate.co.uk>

Thanks, Steve - guess we all need to update them by a few years!

Dolly

Steve Gray wrote:

> You referring to this, Dolly?  I took this over for Dave Croft a while 
> back.
>
> http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Aug  1 12:02:52 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:02:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Foos Model J Mixer
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F89D822DBE69F71C76BB71BD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F89D822DBE69F71C76BB71BD5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06230901c0f553bb071b@[172.21.24.99]>

Doug,

Thanks for the info.  Your description convinces me that what I'm 
looking at in the picture is the mixer.  Would the J mixer have the 
small "intake" valve in the mixer like the Jr. brass mixer does?

Thanks again,
Mike

>Yes, the Model J had a cast iron mixer & it was moved to near the 
>center of the head as is the intake valve. On the Juniors brass 
>mixer & intake valve cage are in line with the exhaust valve cage on 
>governor side. I believe the cast iron mixer is nearly identical to 
>the Juniors except made of cast iron instead of brass. I have three 
>Juniors but no J's.

-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Aug  1 13:06:01 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:06:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801155106.0294edf8@lbpinc.com>


Finally, 
<http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm>http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm 
- of
considerable interest to me, at any rate :-)

Regards
      Pete
-- 
Peter Scales

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For an interesting read about the Traction engine and how they are 
operated  you can go to http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11164
and download the book for free.

Reprints are also available from a number of places including
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-gs/rtgs_book.asp

A couple of excerpts

Petroleum is not a bad thing in water where sulphate of lime prevails;
but you should use only the refined, as crude oil sometimes helps to
form a very injurious scale. Carbonate of soda and corn-starch have been
recommended as a scale preventative, and I am inclined to think they are
as good as anything, but as we are out in the country most of the time I
can tell you of a simple little thing that will answer the same purpose,
and can usually be had with little trouble. Every Monday morning just
dump a hatful of potatoes into your boiler, and Saturday night wash the
boiler out, as I have already suggested, and when the fall's run is over
there will not be much scale in the boiler.

  He has discovered that the
engineer is not expected to build an engine, or to improve it after it
has been built.  Has recognized the fact that the principle thing is to
attend to his own business and let other people attend to theirs.  That
a monkey wrench is a tool to be left in the tool box till he knows he
needs it.  That muscle is a good thing to have but not necessary to the
successful engineer.  That an engineer with a bunch of waste in his hand
is a better recommendation than an "engineer license." That good common
sense, and a cool head is the very best tools he can have.  Has learned
that carelessness will get him into trouble, and that to "forget" costs
money.

Frank

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug  1 12:53:52 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:53:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
References: <041601c6b587$65d7c610$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011552360.49659@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Pete,

We could probably add "drink your beer / shag your wife / etc."  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Peter Scales wrote:

> This is certainly how it was done in the UK - a "contractor" would turn up
> and plough your fields / dredge your pond / thresh your corn, etc..  It
> still gets done that way today - most smaller farmers do not have the spare
> cash for the capital costs of the equipment, so the bigger boys buy the gear
> and rent it out (usually with driver).


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 14:06:41 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011552360.49659@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>




>Good News!  The Board of Directors for the Fall Harvest Days in Arden N.C. 
>finally made the correct decision!!    For 2007 the show will be free for 
>exhibitors and you can reserve your spaces on a first come, first served 
>basis as in years past.  I appreciate all of you that allowed me to use 
>your comments and  those of you  who sent your thoughts directly to the  
>Board.  For 2006 I have  enough spaces for those of you who normally attend 
>and we'll try and squeeze in any new folks as well.  See you all at 
>Portland    Thanks. Steve Royster




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 14:10:52 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:10:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL]Gade castings and patterns
In-Reply-To: <654948539.1152150201896.JavaMail.root@fepweb05>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F3764D1F7E663E25AA655B1955D0@phx.gbl>




I had a call from a gentleman out west that needed a fuel pump and mixer 
cast for a 6 hp Gade. I can let him use my for patterns but I believe 
someone out there has already don the patterns for these. Does anyone know 
who might have aready done these? Thanks, Steve




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 14:26:08 2006
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:26:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F291FD4820EBFE3D39FA17DC85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOKEKJCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

I still have it - it sits on the 12 ton trailer that it rode up on (all
together on a tractor trailer)
It is still froze up. I want very much to get to it one day.

I am planning to mount it on a set of four 1100-22 military wheels I think
they are.
I am selling my M543A2, a 5 ton wrecker and a guy who came to look at it
glanced at the
rear springs and he said if you snip these rivits or bolts (forget which
they were) the entire
trunnion will slide on the frame - - - ah...... just the solid chunk I need
to hold this engine :)
An M543A2 weighs in at around 34,000. I THINK but could be wrong that this
60HP might
weigh around 20,000 so it should work fine :)

I am still on the list and often read emails - - but my life has changed a
LOT.
I now have a significant other - a very nice and yet hard working lady who
is both smarter,
better looking, higher class etc than me. Not to mention wants things clean
and picked up
more than me...... That clean part is growing on me however.

Since meeting her, I did sell one engine - a 40HP Bovard & Seyfang. I still
have the 15HP
half-breed and a 22.5HP Bessemer and the 9HP and smaller ones.

Glenn
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  1 15:05:37 2006
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOKEKJCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060801220537.64364.qmail@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

glenn, glad to see your still around.  do you still have the christenson?  skip

Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com> wrote:  I still have it - it sits on the 12 ton trailer that it rode up on (all
together on a tractor trailer)
It is still froze up. I want very much to get to it one day.

I am planning to mount it on a set of four 1100-22 military wheels I think
they are.
I am selling my M543A2, a 5 ton wrecker and a guy who came to look at it
glanced at the
rear springs and he said if you snip these rivits or bolts (forget which
they were) the entire
trunnion will slide on the frame - - - ah...... just the solid chunk I need
to hold this engine :)
An M543A2 weighs in at around 34,000. I THINK but could be wrong that this
60HP might
weigh around 20,000 so it should work fine :)

I am still on the list and often read emails - - but my life has changed a
LOT.
I now have a significant other - a very nice and yet hard working lady who
is both smarter,
better looking, higher class etc than me. Not to mention wants things clean
and picked up
more than me...... That clean part is growing on me however.

Since meeting her, I did sell one engine - a 40HP Bovard & Seyfang. I still
have the 15HP
half-breed and a 22.5HP Bessemer and the 9HP and smaller ones.

Glenn
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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glenn, glad to see your still around.&nbsp; do you still have the christenson?&nbsp; skip<BR><BR><B><I>Glenn Wilson &lt;wilson at stny.rr.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I still have it - it sits on the 12 ton trailer that it rode up on (all<BR>together on a tractor trailer)<BR>It is still froze up. I want very much to get to it one day.<BR><BR>I am planning to mount it on a set of four 1100-22 military wheels I think<BR>they are.<BR>I am selling my M543A2, a 5 ton wrecker and a guy who came to look at it<BR>glanced at the<BR>rear springs and he said if you snip these rivits or bolts (forget which<BR>they were) the entire<BR>trunnion will slide on the frame - - - ah...... just the solid chunk I need<BR>to hold this engine :)<BR>An M543A2 weighs in at around 34,000. I THINK but could be wrong that this<BR>60HP might<BR>weigh around 20,000 so it should work fine :)<BR><BR>I am still on
 the list and often read emails - - but my life has changed a<BR>LOT.<BR>I now have a significant other - a very nice and yet hard working lady who<BR>is both smarter,<BR>better looking, higher class etc than me. Not to mention wants things clean<BR>and picked up<BR>more than me...... That clean part is growing on me however.<BR><BR>Since meeting her, I did sell one engine - a 40HP Bovard &amp; Seyfang. I still<BR>have the 15HP<BR>half-breed and a 22.5HP Bessemer and the 9HP and smaller ones.<BR><BR>Glenn<BR>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>SEL mailing list<BR>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com<BR>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug  1 17:04:46 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:04:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c0f53a581403@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <C0F53A2E.13E7%rskinner@rustyiron.com>


On 8/1/06 10:22 AM, "Mike Tucker" <oldironnut at alltel.net> wrote:

> Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen
> with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an
> 18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the
> cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system
> moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is
> the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the
> difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next
> plow swath?
> 
> Mike

Hi Mike,
I once asked a friend of mine, who does a lot of plowing, about just driving
the tractor faster.  I forget the exact answer, but basically it was, no,
you can't just drive faster.  But you also have to figure in extra labor and
extra machinery.  

On the plus side, cable plowing rigs are infinitely cooler than conventional
plows.

Rob





From bboyce at swat.coop  Tue Aug  1 17:46:07 2006
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:46:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
References: <BAY105-F291FD4820EBFE3D39FA17DC85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005401c6b5cd$0c7a42a0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

yeah, Glenn,, what happened to that huge Fairbanks ?? dont i rememeber an 
agreement we had , that if ya didnt have it in running condition in one year 
, that it came back to the seller ?? or did i just dream that up ??  all 
seriousness aside, however,  if it gets all moldy and stuff, or, if the new 
better half says the junky ole thing needs to go, i might, just maybe, give 
ya your money back on it,,,,
good to hear from ya,,,
bill boyce
down south


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks 
Engine


> Hi Glenn,
>
> I wasn't sure if you were still around on the SEL or not. What ever 
> happened to that huge Fairbanks you hauled to NY from down south?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 




From wilson at stny.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 19:12:50 2006
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:12:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <20060801220537.64364.qmail@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOOEKKCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>



Yes Skip - I still have the 18HP Christensen.
I think it was last summer that we had it to Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days.
I belted it up to my 9HP Economy so I could start it easily. It ran well.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
glenn, glad to see your still around.  do you still have the christenson?
skip
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From wilson at stny.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 19:23:54 2006
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:23:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks Engine
In-Reply-To: <005401c6b5cd$0c7a42a0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <MCENKMDANOEBOLPLHFOOOEKLCPAA.wilson@stny.rr.com>

"The misses" is sitting at the other desk and heard me when I read your
email
aloud. She kept saying "What was that"? "What was that"? with a smile......
she heard the first time :)  And yes, she likes things all pretty and clean,
not the
state that this is in at the moment.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Bill Boyce
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Whos who of the SEL / Now Glenn Wilson and Fairbanks
Engine


yeah, Glenn,, what happened to that huge Fairbanks ?? dont i rememeber an
agreement we had , that if ya didnt have it in running condition in one year
, that it came back to the seller ?? or did i just dream that up ??  all
seriousness aside, however,  if it gets all moldy and stuff, or, if the new
better half says the junky ole thing needs to go, i might, just maybe, give
ya your money back on it,,,,
good to hear from ya,,,
bill boyce
down south

SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Tue Aug  1 19:44:37 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:44:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cable plowing now Furnace Power
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c6b5dd$98ec9840$99781941@pengy>

Curt,

I ran my induction furnace today.  kinda felt bad adding that additional 75 
KW of load to the system but bills must be paid.  Three heats in four hours 
is a new record for me.  I have a lawn sprinkler under the cooling unit. 
When the water temp gets above 108 degrees I turn it on for a few minutes 
and the water temp drops back down to about 98 degrees and slowly climbs up 
over about 20 minutes or so.

Does it take 8 hours to get the metal in the channel furnaces back up to 
pouring temperature?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


> Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
> expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 pounds 
> of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth of wood. 
> I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and used horses 
> to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative arrangement.
>
> Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam 
> traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
> Curt
> P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due to 
> excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a kw-hr 
> consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and putting the 
> furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the household A/C 
> usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have the pleasure of 
> starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 hour process. 
> Later.....
>
> Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>>Hi Curt,
>>
>>Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the cable
>>plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>>basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and did the
>>cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
>>>yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
>>>So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our early
>>>culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>>>could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to know
>>>the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
>>>Australia.
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
>
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Aug  1 19:56:22 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:56:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060801224939.08a6aa28@lbpinc.com>


 > Something I'm curious about is all of the pictures that I've seen
 > with the traction engine directly hooked to the plow, it's usually an
 > 18 or 20 bottom plow.  But in the pictures that I've seen with the
 > cable system the plow is a 5 or 6 bottom plow.  Is the cable system
 > moving three or four times faster than the steamer could move or is
 > the cable system just slower on a per acre basis?  I wonder what the
 > difference in time would be for the 2 methods for getting to the next
 > plow swath?
 >
 > Mike

Hi Mike,


Part of the answer may be here (From 
http://www.steamploughclub.org.uk/operating_instructions.htm


The plow had to do some fancy work at the end of the run to get in 
position for the next run, tip for reverse direction, and get dug in. 
18 to 20 bottoms times 2 (for each direction) would have been a real 
thrill to move over, tip, and get dug in.  It would have been a 
frightening display at best.

Frank


Working the plough
34. The usual method of working with a balance type plough is to 
steer the plough out of the furrow at the end of a pull about 8 yards 
or so from the pulling engine, turning the steering onto full lock 
and steering the plough out of the furrow onto the unploughed land 
and towards the front of the engine by an amount equal to about two 
thirds the working width of the plough and just before the plough 
stops turn the steering onto full opposite lock.
35. When the driver has released his ploughing clutch remove the tail 
rope from the slack rope hook on the end of the plough frame 
otherwise it will be impossible to tip the plough down. This is the 
assistants job.
36. When the engine next to the plough has moved along the headland 
moving its rope out of the way of the plough shares the other engine 
can start to pull. If the plough is of the anti balance type watch 
the anti balance rollers in the plough centre and as soon as these 
move to the centre balance position the plough can be pulled down and 
should now be held in balance with the end of the frame about waist 
high and swung round towards the unploughed land with the furrow 
wheel running towards the last open furrow. As soon as the furrow 
wheel is in line to enter the open furrow the plough frame is swung 
back into line with the direction of the work before lowering it onto 
the ground.
37. The slack rope can now be placed on the slack rope hook by the 
assistant. It will be appreciated that except for the smallest of 
ploughs at least two people are required for this manoeuvring and the 
foregoing operation requires steady pulling by the opposite engine 
until the plough is lowered into its working position with the shares 
starting to dig into the ground before the speed is increased.
38. When putting the slack rope onto the slack rope hook on the end 
of the plough frame grasp the rope at least 18 inches away from the 
hook to avoid pinched fingers when the plough middle slides into 
anti-balance, as the rope slides with it through the hook.
39. When steering the plough with the right hand furrows working the 
steering is the opposite way round to normal. This takes some getting 
used to and if the furrow wheel is inadvertently steered out of the 
furrow the plough must be stopped and pulled back by the other 
engine. It cannot be steered back into the furrow without missing 
several yards of ground and if done it will spoil the work and leave 
a crooked furrow.

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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Aug  2 04:39:41 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:39:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] cable plowing now Furnace Power
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c6b5dd$98ec9840$99781941@pengy>
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>	<44CF6F39.4020104@imc-group.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608011125100.39563@vegeta.city-net.com>	<44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>
	<00cb01c6b5dd$98ec9840$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <44D08EFD.1010505@imc-group.com>

Rick,
With E channel Ajax copper furnaces you _never_ shut them down. Once the 
copper solidifies, the channel will seperate and the circuit is broken, 
rendering the furnace (and the 30,000# of copper in it) useless.
When Duke says it time to shut down, we put the furnaces in low power 
(maintains temperature only) and put them on the generator. Yeah it 
expensive to feed all the diesel fuel for hours, but being able to buy 
power at 4 cent/kw-hr year round is worth it. The penalties for not 
getting below the agreed kw-hr usage are staggering. I believe it is an 
additional 29 cents/kw-hr! At just 4 cents/kw-hr we have a monthly power 
bill of $70,000. You can see what an additonal 29 cents would do to a 
bill! Staggering.....
The 8 hours is the process of starting the casting line back up. In 
other words getting the copper rod to come up vertically out of the 
furnace, thru the water cooled coolerbody, bend 90? and into the rolling 
mills. We are running 2 lines and are casting between 3.5 to 4 million 
pounds of copper each month.
Curt

Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Curt,
>
> I ran my induction furnace today.  kinda felt bad adding that 
> additional 75 KW of load to the system but bills must be paid.  Three 
> heats in four hours is a new record for me.  I have a lawn sprinkler 
> under the cooling unit. When the water temp gets above 108 degrees I 
> turn it on for a few minutes and the water temp drops back down to 
> about 98 degrees and slowly climbs up over about 20 minutes or so.
>
> Does it take 8 hours to get the metal in the channel furnaces back up 
> to pouring temperature?
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
>
>
>> Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
>> expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 
>> pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's 
>> worth of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought 
>> one and used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a 
>> cooperative arrangement.
>>
>> Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a 
>> steam traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the 
>> cooperative effort.
>> Curt
>> P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down 
>> due to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below 
>> a kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and 
>> putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till 
>> the household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will 
>> have the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about 
>> an 8 hour process. Later.....
>>
>> Arnie Fero wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Curt,
>>>
>>> Rather than an individual farmer buying two traction engines and the 
>>> cable
>>> plowing rig, I wonder if it might have been done on a local collective
>>> basis?  Maybe a couple of entrepreneurs who went farm to farm and 
>>> did the
>>> cable plowing?  Perhaps something like what was done with threshing?
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>> Arnie Fero
>>> Pittsburgh, PA
>>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>>
>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have been to several steam shows here in the states and, to date, have
>>>> yet to see a steam traction engine with a cable setup under the belly.
>>>> So it might have been done, but it was sure on small scale. In our 
>>>> early
>>>> culture of entrepreneurial / no government involvement, what farmer
>>>> could afford to buy 2 traction engines!? It would be interesting to 
>>>> know
>>>> the extent that government subsidies were involved in cable plowing in
>>>> Australia.
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Aug  2 05:43:05 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:43:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV14CB038A6260F4714A85E9BB520@phx.gbl>

  G'day all;
Been in contact with Mr. Snipes over in Medical Lake, Wash.  He says the 
engine was started on air....compressor driven by a tractor engine.

   Hopefully someone can answer a couple questions.

  Is that a spark plug in the pix and what possible would the hand wheel be 
used for?  Pretty much everything else we understand...cooling line, etc.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/552740306/2369209400039077051oSSnxi

  According to the bible, this is the largest engine they made..300hp and 
gross's out at 35,000 pounds.

  Will get more pix's posted when we get over there..hopefully in a couple 
days.

  TIA
  RickinMt.

PS:  Not interested, just a looker, and hopefully help find it a new home. 



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Wed Aug  2 06:21:15 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:21:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV14CB038A6260F4714A85E9BB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Rick

I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid cold
starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would have
worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head.  The
hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a decompression
valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall compression
ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Strobel
> Sent: 02 August 2006 13:43
> To: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org; sel
> Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
> 
>   G'day all;
> Been in contact with Mr. Snipes over in Medical Lake, Wash.  
> He says the 
> engine was started on air....compressor driven by a tractor engine.
> 
>    Hopefully someone can answer a couple questions.
> 
>   Is that a spark plug in the pix and what possible would the 
> hand wheel be 
> used for?  Pretty much everything else we 
> understand...cooling line, etc.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/552740306/2369209400039077
> 051oSSnxi
> 
>   According to the bible, this is the largest engine they 
> made..300hp and 
> gross's out at 35,000 pounds.
> 
>   Will get more pix's posted when we get over 
> there..hopefully in a couple 
> days.
> 
>   TIA
>   RickinMt.
> 
> PS:  Not interested, just a looker, and hopefully help find 
> it a new home. 
> 
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> 




From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Wed Aug  2 07:08:11 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:08:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc>
References: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <44D0B1CB.7060502@atnet.net>

Peter - Can't say for sure, you maybe correct.  Notice in the same photo 
the large old fashion blow torch mounted in such a way to heat the area 
of iron around the cylinder head top.

I live less than 100 miles from Medical Lake, WA. USA and didn't know of 
the engine but the State Hospital has been there for years.

Regards,

Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA USA

Peter Scales wrote:
> Hi Rick
> 
> I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid cold
> starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would have
> worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head.  The
> hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a decompression
> valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall compression
> ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.
> 
> Regards
> 
>      Pete



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug  2 06:57:39 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 
 Re: Findlay Ohio Show This weekend, WAS: Shows and fuel costs, Bird
 City report 
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060802014506.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060802014506.02ee1030@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608020953340.57882@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Speaking as an exhibitor, I can say this is one of the very best shows of
the year.  You will be really hard pressed to find one where you are made
to feel more welcome.  And that roasted sweet corn is to die for!!  8-))

See y'all around lunchtime on Thursday!!

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi ALL, Maytag Mark here writing at you, I just read the note my "WIFE"
> wrote and sent, As she says, still feels odd to be saying-hearing WIFE,
> GRINNNNN.
>   I've just realized I forgot to put out my invitation to you all to come
> to the grounds our association has rented and made available to you all to
> come and put on a show. I say that realizing thats all we do as trustees
> and show officers. Organize a few odds and ends and make a few needed
> arraingements with some folks here and there. Yes theres work on our end
> BUT Its the EXHIBITOR that makes the show!! A rented grounds is just that,
> grounds!  The Exhibitor is the show. We're keeping it as cheap as we can on
> our end for you so If you get a chance and can see it thru the heat and the
> high gas prices come on over to the Hancock County FairGrounds and put on a
> show! Or at the least come on over and visit with your friends and make
> some new ones. Oh and if you do get to exhibit please bring a few pieces of
> old iron along to sell at your display, We encourage that sorta thing. If
> your not exhibiting, still bring some stuff for the Trading Post to help
> fill it up and maybe help you get some gas money.
> We supply you the gas and propane to run your engines. And we'll feed the
> exhibitors some husk roasted sweet corn and muskmelon Friday evening at 6 pm.
> If you have any questions give me a shout at my cell 419.516.2996
> We have a modest web site at http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/
>
> Talk at ya all later!! If we survive the heat, GRINNN.  Mark



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Aug  2 07:52:09 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:52:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Father and Son project anyone?
In-Reply-To: <1523.65.6.252.94.1154527608.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <1523.65.6.252.94.1154527608.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <44D0BC19.7080606@imc-group.com>

How's this for a Maytag launcher? This should handle even the 40HP 
Prucha Maytags.  :-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. This was Missy's find. It's a good woman that searches eBay for 
kewl guy's toys!

>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/Full-Size-24-Foot-Catapult-Trebuchet-Throws-Mowers-500f_W0QQitemZ300013700403QQihZ020QQcategoryZ66534QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
>
>  
>



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  2 17:54:41 2006
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
In-Reply-To: <44CF8C62.501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20060803005441.67755.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup, Curt.
  I remember several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men that would bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a field near his farm.  That is until the year he was just entering a corner of the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal corner of the field and the engine blew up.
  He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.  He said four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses spooked, but he got them back under control without damage.
  A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied down the pressure relief to get more power out of it.
   
  That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around here.
  Around the same time an engine that was powering a sawmill blew up killing three men.  That engineer was also known for pushing the pressure limits too far.
  Stupid people and Innocent ones too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan
  

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
  Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less 
expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 
pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth 
of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and 
used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative 
arrangement.

Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam 
traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
Curt
P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due 
to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a 
kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and 
putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the 
household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have 
the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 
hour process. Later.....



 		
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Yup, Curt.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>I remember several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men that would bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a field near his farm.&nbsp; That is until the year he was just entering a corner of the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal corner of the field and the engine blew up.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.&nbsp; He said four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses spooked, but he got them back under control without damage.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied down the pressure&nbsp;relief to get more power out of it.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around here.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Around the same time an
 engine that was powering a sawmill blew up killing three men.&nbsp; That engineer was also known for pushing the pressure&nbsp;limits too far.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Stupid people and Innocent ones too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.</FONT></DIV>  <div><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</div>  <div><FONT size=3>Alan Bowen</FONT></div>  <div><FONT size=3>Williamsburg, Michigan</div>  <DIV><BR><BR></FONT><B><I>Curt &lt;curt at imc-group.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less <BR>expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 <BR>pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth <BR>of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and <BR>used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative <BR>arrangement.<BR><BR>Knowing the size of the
 team of men required to run and support a steam <BR>traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.<BR>Curt<BR>P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due <BR>to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a <BR>kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and <BR>putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the <BR>household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have <BR>the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 <BR>hour process. Later.....<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Aug  2 18:41:56 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:41:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
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Message-ID: <04a501c6b6a0$df22a4d0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Somewhere on this net thing are some pics of a steamer that blew out both 
ends of the boiler and the remains of one of the victims were never found.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing


> Yup, Curt.
>  I remember several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men 
> that would bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a 
> field near his farm.  That is until the year he was just entering a corner 
> of the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal 
> corner of the field and the engine blew up.
>  He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.  He said 
> four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses spooked, but he 
> got them back under control without damage.
>  A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied 
> down the pressure relief to get more power out of it.
>
>  That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around here.
>  Around the same time an engine that was powering a sawmill blew up 
> killing three men.  That engineer was also known for pushing the pressure 
> limits too far.
>  Stupid people and Innocent ones too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.
>
>  Alan Bowen
>  Williamsburg, Michigan
>
>
> Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>  Ya know Arnie, I've wondered if this was the case even with much less
> expensive gas engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000
> pounds of iron to pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth
> of wood. I could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and
> used horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative
> arrangement.
>
> Knowing the size of the team of men required to run and support a steam
> traction engine, I suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.
> Curt
> P.S. I'm outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due
> to excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a
> kw-hr consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and
> putting the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the
> household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have
> the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8
> hour process. Later.....
>
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT size=3>Yup, Curt.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>I remember 
> several times hearing my step-father telling about the two men that would 
> bring their steam traction engine and threshing machine to a field near 
> his farm.&nbsp; That is until the year he was just entering a corner of 
> the 40 acre field where the crew was set-up threshing in the diagonal 
> corner of the field and the engine blew up.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT 
> size=3>He was on his wagon with a load of his wheat to be threshed.&nbsp; 
> He said four men died and two others were burned badly. His horses 
> spooked, but he got them back under control without damage.</FONT></DIV> 
> <DIV><FONT size=3>A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the 
> engine had tied down the pressure&nbsp;relief to get more power out of 
> it.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT 
> size=3>That seemed to be the way several steam engines blew up around 
> here.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Around the same time an
> engine that was powering a sawmill blew up killing three men.&nbsp; That 
> engineer was also known for pushing the pressure&nbsp;limits too 
> far.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Stupid people and Innocent ones 
> too,,,,,, All removed from the gene pool.</FONT></DIV>  <div><FONT 
> size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</div>  <div><FONT size=3>Alan Bowen</FONT></div> 
> <div><FONT size=3>Williamsburg, Michigan</div> 
> <DIV><BR><BR></FONT><B><I>Curt &lt;curt at imc-group.com&gt;</I></B> 
> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; 
> MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ya know Arnie, I've 
> wondered if this was the case even with much less <BR>expensive gas 
> engines. Take a 8 or 10 HP saw rig. That's 4 or 5000 <BR>pounds of iron to 
> pay for. In a few of days you can saw a winter's worth <BR>of wood. I 
> could see where a group of farmers would have bought one and <BR>used 
> horses to pull it from one farm to the other in a cooperative 
> <BR>arrangement.<BR><BR>Knowing the size of the
> team of men required to run and support a steam <BR>traction engine, I 
> suspect you are spot on about the cooperative effort.<BR>Curt<BR>P.S. I'm 
> outta here in an hour of so. Duke Power just shut us down due <BR>to 
> excessive power consumption. We've got 30 minutes to get below a <BR>kw-hr 
> consumption rate and this means shutting the plant down and <BR>putting 
> the furnaces on generator for the next 6 hours or so, 'till the 
> <BR>household A/C usage subsides a little. Second or third shift will have 
> <BR>the pleasure of starting the casting lines back up. That's about an 8 
> <BR>hour process. Later.....<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Aug  2 19:33:41 2006
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:33:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/ cable plowing
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060802222616.02844cf0@lbpinc.com>

This is very sad.  and needless.  I went to steam school this 
spring.  The first and biggest thing we learned is to keep enough 
water in it. Next watch the gauge.  To little pressure, add 
coal.  Pressure starting to move up to much, use it, and, or add 
water.  On the maintenance side,  Have the boiler checked, use good 
water, and check the pop off (pressure relief valve) often Do these 
things and you can't blow it up.  I am no expert, but It made sense 
to me.  BTW Driving one and running the engine is FUN.  I recommend it.

Frank

 >  A survivors of the event told him that the owner of the engine had tied
 > down the pressure relief to get more power out of it.



From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Thu Aug  3 00:57:10 2006
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:57:10 +1000
Subject: Subject: [SEL] steam cable plowing
Message-ID: <000c01c6b6d2$6cbdc000$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hi all,

20 years or so ago two identical Fowler ploughing engines were resident at the NSW Steam & Machinery Preservation Society's grounds at Menangle near Sydney. I do not know what became of them.

On a couple of occasions I witnessed them performing ploughing demonstrations, a very impressive operation. It was my understanding that ploughing from headlands in this manner was for the engines to remain on firm, well drained ground, whereas the ploughed field between them would often be very boggy, no place for a 20 ton engine! Apart from this reason, the engines also caused bad compaction, had poor turning radii etc, so were not used for direct ploughing.

In about 1961, I visited my parents property at the time their road was being upgraded from a track to a sealed road. A steam traction engine was being used to simply pull out the indigenous pine trees up to 15" diameter with no trouble at all. I did not take note of the type of engine, but it is the last time I observed one earning its keep.

Ian Browning
isandian at bigpond.net.au
Arcadia, NSW, Australia


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug  3 04:43:51 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:43:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>

Steve,
Sorry about the delayed reply, but I'm still sifting thru a couple 
hundred emails from having been out of the office last week.
As one of the more vocal critics of the "pay to display" policy change 
implemented last year by the Fall Harvest Days club, I would like to 
heartily congratulate you on affecting this change. Your efforts have 
put your club back on the correct path that embodies the essence of the 
hobby. I find the Fall Harvest Days shows one of the most enjoyable of 
the year, but was still prepared to boycott it by not bringing an 
engine.  Redirection of the policy pleases me greatly and I will 
certainly reciprocate by bringing something(s) really nice to Fall 
Harvest Days this year. Once again, thank you for your diligence in this 
matter.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Royster wrote:

>> Good News!  The Board of Directors for the Fall Harvest Days in Arden 
>> N.C. finally made the correct decision!!    For 2007 the show will be 
>> free for exhibitors and you can reserve your spaces on a first come, 
>> first served basis as in years past.  I appreciate all of you that 
>> allowed me to use your comments and  those of you  who sent your 
>> thoughts directly to the  Board.  For 2006 I have  enough spaces for 
>> those of you who normally attend and we'll try and squeeze in any new 
>> folks as well.  See you all at Portland    Thanks. Steve Royster
>
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug  3 05:36:21 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:36:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>

Curt or Steve,
    What are the dates for Arden? 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


> Steve,
> Sorry about the delayed reply, but I'm still sifting thru a couple 
> hundred emails from having been out of the office last week.
> As one of the more vocal critics of the "pay to display" policy change 
> implemented last year by the Fall Harvest Days club, I would like to 
> heartily congratulate you on affecting this change. Your efforts have 
> put your club back on the correct path that embodies the essence of 
> the hobby. I find the Fall Harvest Days shows one of the most 
> enjoyable of the year, but was still prepared to boycott it by not 
> bringing an engine.  Redirection of the policy pleases me greatly and 
> I will certainly reciprocate by bringing something(s) really nice to 
> Fall Harvest Days this year. Once again, thank you for your diligence 
> in this matter.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
>>> Good News!  The Board of Directors for the Fall Harvest Days in 
>>> Arden N.C. finally made the correct decision!!    For 2007 the show 
>>> will be free for exhibitors and you can reserve your spaces on a 
>>> first come, first served basis as in years past.  I appreciate all 
>>> of you that allowed me to use your comments and  those of you  who 
>>> sent your thoughts directly to the  Board.  For 2006 I have  enough 
>>> spaces for those of you who normally attend and we'll try and 
>>> squeeze in any new folks as well.  See you all at Portland    
>>> Thanks. Steve Royster
>>
>>
>>
>
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From oldironnut at alltel.net  Thu Aug  3 06:01:50 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:01:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900c0f7a1e1f6d6@[172.21.24.99]>

>Redirection of the policy pleases me greatly and I will certainly 
>reciprocate by bringing something(s) really nice to Fall Harvest 
>Days this year.

>>>For 2007 the show will be free for exhibitors and you can reserve 
>>>your spaces on a first come, first served basis as in years past.

Curt,

Just so you won't be surprised and angered when you pull up to the 
gate this year, note that the "free for exhibitors" doesn't take 
effect until the 2007 show.

Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From mholland at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug  3 06:43:20 2006
From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>
	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com> <44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1114.65.6.251.168.1154612600.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tommy,

Arden (WNC Fall Harvest Days) will be Oct. 27-29.

Missy

> Curt or Steve,
>     What are the dates for Arden?
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Aug  3 07:35:50 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:35:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
References: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc> <44D0B1CB.7060502@atnet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys!!  Glow plugs on big engines is a new one to me.  Sounds 
interesting.  Air start also intrigues me with the special valving 
arrangement and proceedure.

  Plan now is to head over on Monday (3rd) and get some photo's.

  Couple items I don't see in the pix's is any view of cooling radiator)?) 
(Possibly what a tower was used for) or any sort of muffler.

  Should be an education to say the least.


  Later,
RickinMt.




> Peter - Can't say for sure, you maybe correct.  Notice in the same photo
> the large old fashion blow torch mounted in such a way to heat the area
> of iron around the cylinder head top.
>
> I live less than 100 miles from Medical Lake, WA. USA and didn't know of
> the engine but the State Hospital has been there for years.
>
>
> Peter Scales wrote:
> > Hi Rick
> >
> > I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid cold
> > starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would have
> > worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head. 
> > The
> > hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a 
> > decompression
> > valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall compression
> > ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 10:41:45 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530@phx.gbl>
References: <04a001c6b636$887a3f40$8335c53e@doc> <44D0B1CB.7060502@atnet.net>
	<BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608031041q255e4247xcb4d89710235f744@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/08/06, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Thanks guys!!  Glow plugs on big engines is a new one to me.  Sounds
> interesting.  Air start also intrigues me with the special valving
> arrangement and proceedure.
>
>   Plan now is to head over on Monday (3rd) and get some photo's.
>
>   Couple items I don't see in the pix's is any view of cooling radiator)?)
> (Possibly what a tower was used for) or any sort of muffler.
>
>   Should be an education to say the least.
>
>
>   Later,
> RickinMt.

You petrol-heads! :-))

Glow plugs have been around on diesels since the 1930's if not
earlier, and a lot of companies played with various 'extra-heat'
gadgets over the years to try and make starting that much easier.

Air start is not that unusual, surely?  The Mount Wilson F-M twin
cylinder is air start, and most decent sized industrial diesels were
air started, same as marine engines. Even Lister offered air-starting
on the JP6 engine range, which was a bit of a sod to crank over on a
cold morning, and that was a relatively 'small' engine compared with
this baby.

Cooling was probably by tanks, although radiators or evaporators are
also a possibility.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug  3 12:47:06 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:47:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <1114.65.6.251.168.1154612600.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
	<44D1EDC5.2050805@scrtc.com>
	<1114.65.6.251.168.1154612600.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <44D252BA.9010806@scrtc.com>

Thanks Missy.  If my schedule permits, I'd love to make it to Arden.  I 
haven't been there in about 8 years.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Tommy,
>
>Arden (WNC Fall Harvest Days) will be Oct. 27-29.
>
>Missy
>
>  
>
>>Curt or Steve,
>>    What are the dates for Arden?
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, Ky
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug  3 13:18:33 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:18:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charging  to Exhibit
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c0f7a1e1f6d6@[172.21.24.99]>
References: <BAY108-F7AE18494D801729D99BB8955D0@phx.gbl>	<44D1E177.10002@imc-group.com>
	<p06230900c0f7a1e1f6d6@[172.21.24.99]>
Message-ID: <44D25A19.2010801@imc-group.com>

Mike Tucker wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Just so you won't be surprised and angered when you pull up to the 
> gate this year, note that the "free for exhibitors" doesn't take 
> effect until the 2007 show.
>
> Mike

Mike,
That was because they took your money a year in advance. In otherwords, 
for the last two years, you reserved your place to display a year in 
advance, and they took your money at the current years show. So that's 
why '06 was not included, because they had already taken the money up at 
the '05 show. If you didn't pay last year, you don't have a place to 
show this year. I paid the first year and grumbled about it. I refused 
this past fall, and technically don't have a place to display this year. 
Steve's note indicated he had purchased a few slots and there might be 
room for additional SEL mambers to display. You can bet if there is room 
and I display along with Steve in his spaces I will help him with that 
cost. That's only right.
For many years the SEL has set up together at Arden, and there is no 
doubt the group had the finest collection of engines on the show 
grounds. I look forward to many years of fine engine displays the SEL.
Curt



From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  3 13:34:41 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:34:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Venn-Severin engine 
In-Reply-To: <200608031600.k73G03Xw015430@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F33AA4300121D80F4D823DCC7530@phx.gbl>

The SIAM club owns a 2 cylinder V-S and it works just like this one.  Ours 
also drives generator via V-belt.  The torches are lit and heat a piece of 
metal rod (hot tube) in the cylinder head to aid in starting.  I believe 
that there are also electric glow plugs that were probably used when 
exercising the generator.  An air line is hooked up to the engine.  There is 
a lever on the the engine.  You push the lever to let air into the cylinders 
for starting.  When the engine fires you release the lever to the run 
position.  When you want to stop the engine you pull the lever until it 
stops turning.
>    9. Re: Venn-Severin engine (Richard Strobel)
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:35:50 -0600
>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Venn-Severin engine
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1170C168A36B59257994DDBB530 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Thanks guys!!  Glow plugs on big engines is a new one to me.  Sounds
>interesting.  Air start also intrigues me with the special valving
>arrangement and proceedure.
>
>   Plan now is to head over on Monday (3rd) and get some photo's.
>
>   Couple items I don't see in the pix's is any view of cooling radiator)?)
>(Possibly what a tower was used for) or any sort of muffler.
>
>   Should be an education to say the least.
>
>
>   Later,
>RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
> > Peter - Can't say for sure, you maybe correct.  Notice in the same photo
> > the large old fashion blow torch mounted in such a way to heat the area
> > of iron around the cylinder head top.
> >
> > I live less than 100 miles from Medical Lake, WA. USA and didn't know of
> > the engine but the State Hospital has been there for years.
> >
> >
> > Peter Scales wrote:
> > > Hi Rick
> > >
> > > I would think that is a glow plug rather than a spark plug, to aid 
>cold
> > > starting by providing a "hot spot" in the cylinder head.  It would 
>have
> > > worked by resistance heating of an element inside the cylinder head.
> > > The
> > > hand wheel is a bit more unusual, but I would guess either a
> > > decompression
> > > valve, or a variable compression device to alter the overall 
>compression
> > > ratio.  Something similar is seen on the Lister C/S engine series.




From rex002 at centurytel.net  Thu Aug  3 18:31:17 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:31:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nice Wheels/now a little OT
References: <410-22006713119572162@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001501c6b765$aee76ce0$6400a8c0@home>

 I did not witness it but my Father told me of plowing a drainage ditch 
through a near by very wet swamp in the early 50's using a cable plow of 
some sort . it used horses placed around a merry go round cable winch with 
block and tackle , it went really slow just a few yards per day , the turn 
table was moved when needed , the ditch is around 1 mile long and still 
visible today , after draining the swamp the peat moss dried out and it 
caught on fire by lightening and burned underground for years , they must 
have had miles of cable to do the job.

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Nice Wheels


> Does anyone know if cable plowing was ever done in the US? 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 09:31:56 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:31:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Venn-Severin engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F33AA4300121D80F4D823DCC7530@phx.gbl>
References: <200608031600.k73G03Xw015430@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<BAY104-F33AA4300121D80F4D823DCC7530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608040931i7bf65527k474bf01c1b74db95@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/08/06, Andy Glines <andyglines at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The SIAM club owns a 2 cylinder V-S and it works just like this one.  Ours
> also drives generator via V-belt.  The torches are lit and heat a piece of
> metal rod (hot tube) in the cylinder head to aid in starting.  I believe
> that there are also electric glow plugs that were probably used when
> exercising the generator.  An air line is hooked up to the engine.  There is
> a lever on the the engine.  You push the lever to let air into the cylinders
> for starting.  When the engine fires you release the lever to the run
> position.  When you want to stop the engine you pull the lever until it
> stops turning.

The engine probably wouldn't sustain running without a decent load, so
the glow plugs are possibly to keep it running on small loads or, as
you say, excercising the alternator or testing the setup.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Aug  4 13:00:59 2006
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:00:59 +0100
Subject: [SEL] cooper little wonder
Message-ID: <001601c6b800$b6b40640$f580e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi guys ,
            I may have the chance to purchase one of these engines next month at auction , but it doesn't have the correct mag ( what should it be?) the carb also may be the wrong type (what should it be ?) 
            Are these parts easily obtainable down under?


    Thanks in advance, Craig in Scotland

From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Aug  4 14:57:09 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:57:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] cooper little wonder
In-Reply-To: <001601c6b800$b6b40640$f580e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <001601c6b800$b6b40640$f580e150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060805075337.01aa48e0@ncable.com.au>

G'day Craig, mate these parts are not easily obtained in Oz, a magi 
would not be to hard however your carbie will be hard to come by. 
Many cooper little wonders have had the original magis replace with 
lucas rs1's should you get stuck. The brass carbies are often broken 
and were often taken for scrap metal prices in past years.
regards Russell

At 06:00 AM 5/08/2006, you wrote:
>Hi guys ,
>             I may have the chance to purchase one of these engines 
> next month at auction , but it doesn't have the correct mag ( what 
> should it be?) the carb also may be the wrong type (what should it be ?)
>             Are these parts easily obtainable down under?
>
>
>     Thanks in advance, Craig in Scotland
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sat Aug  5 02:56:25 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:56:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Updates
Message-ID: <44D46B49.3070402@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

Been a bit quiet of late, due to all sorts of factors, such as work 
(bleugh!), holidays and entertaining foreign guests for whom "Jim & 
Dolly's" comes pretty high up on the itinery!
The last guests were Kerry and Ruth Morris, who spent a few days with us 
between their tour of the British Isles and Italy.  We did some of the 
local canal stuff with them, and also visited Stamford, home of the 
Blackstone, and they left here with camera chips empty and laundry done 
ready for the next stage of their marathon journey.
So, I've been updating our website since then.  My webbing speed is 
somewhere between that of Patrick and Arnie, so I've added pages for the 
1000 Engine Rally 2005 and 2006, plus a great show we visited in 
Cornwall with Arnie - they can be found at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/shows.htm
Plus there's a page for Jim's new toy, a Ransoms crawler, at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/mg.htm
And finally, one for the engine Jim is currently working on at
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/unknown.htm
Any ideas of what it is?

Enjoy at your leisure!

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  5 06:25:20 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:25:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
Message-ID: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>

Hi All you experts,
         The cylinder head water jacket of the Wolseley "R" I'm working on 
has a pretty thick layer of scale in it and the only access is through the 
1 1/2" outlet pipe hole and the water slots below the head.

         Is there an acid or something that I can soak it in to remove this 
that will not do damage to the cast iron? Try not to mention "trade names" 
as proprietary products available in your part of the world may not 
necessarily be available here.

         What other ideas are there for doing this - I could probably boil 
it in vinegar for some time as I know that this cleans the scale out of 
kettles, taps (faucets) and shower roses but do not know how effective it 
would be on 60 odd years of scale build up in a water jacket. The engine 
comes from a part of South Africa that has what we call "brack" or "hard" 
water - this is water that has a lot of minerals and salts in it and builds 
up a layer of this scale in anything carrying the water (pipes and the like).

         I look forward to your answers.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From rwenig at telus.net  Sat Aug  5 08:08:52 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:08:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>

Hello Jerry,
	Of the safer acids to use, boiling in vinegar should work as you say 
but it will take awhile. Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. 
Next is the more dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid. I assume you 
know how to handle acids safely. Rinse thoroughly with baking soda in 
the final cleaning step to neutralize any left over acid.

	On the other hand- if there happen to be any live steam hobbyists or 
for that matter any full size live steam operators in your area. They 
should know how to remove the scale and should have a treatment to help 
prevent further scaling.

Rupert

Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi All you experts,
>         The cylinder head water jacket of the Wolseley "R" I'm working 
> on has a pretty thick layer of scale in it and the only access is 
> through the 1 1/2" outlet pipe hole and the water slots below the head.
> 
>         Is there an acid or something that I can soak it in to remove 
> this that will not do damage to the cast iron? Try not to mention "trade 
> names" as proprietary products available in your part of the world may 
> not necessarily be available here.
> 
>         What other ideas are there for doing this - I could probably 
> boil it in vinegar for some time as I know that this cleans the scale 
> out of kettles, taps (faucets) and shower roses but do not know how 
> effective it would be on 60 odd years of scale build up in a water 
> jacket. The engine comes from a part of South Africa that has what we 
> call "brack" or "hard" water - this is water that has a lot of minerals 
> and salts in it and builds up a layer of this scale in anything carrying 
> the water (pipes and the like).
> 
>         I look forward to your answers.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans 
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Aug  5 09:44:10 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:44:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
Message-ID: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>

Muriatic acid and Hydrochloric acid are one and the same thing.  Often sold
as "brick acid" for cleaning brickwork.  I'd be tempted to use it dilute, at
about 10%.  It should do a good job of eating limescale, but will do a good
job of eating cast  iron too if given time, so rinsing with baking soda or
washing soda is definitely a good idea.  It does a good job of eating flesh
as well, at the higher concentrations.

"Always do what you oughter, add acid to water" when diluting.  If you do
get any on yourself, baking or washing soda will neutralise, followed by a
rinse in copious water.

Vinegar will do the job, but more slowly.  Proprietary kettle descalers will
also work - they are often formulated from sulfonamic acid or formic acid if
you find either of those easier to come by.  They're closer to vinegar than
to hydrochloric acid.

To prevent future scaling up, try using rainwater as coolant.  It's as close
to distilled water as you can get for free.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rupert Wenig
> Sent: 05 August 2006 16:09
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
> 
> Hello Jerry,
> 	Of the safer acids to use, boiling in vinegar should 
> work as you say 
> but it will take awhile. Next, muriatic acid should take out 
> the scale. 
> Next is the more dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid. I 
> assume you 
> know how to handle acids safely. Rinse thoroughly with baking soda in 
> the final cleaning step to neutralize any left over acid.
> 
> 	On the other hand- if there happen to be any live steam 
> hobbyists or 
> for that matter any full size live steam operators in your area. They 
> should know how to remove the scale and should have a 
> treatment to help 
> prevent further scaling.
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Jerry Evans wrote:
> > Hi All you experts,
> >         The cylinder head water jacket of the Wolseley "R" 
> I'm working 
> > on has a pretty thick layer of scale in it and the only access is 
> > through the 1 1/2" outlet pipe hole and the water slots 
> below the head.
> > 
> >         Is there an acid or something that I can soak it in 
> to remove 
> > this that will not do damage to the cast iron? Try not to 
> mention "trade 
> > names" as proprietary products available in your part of 
> the world may 
> > not necessarily be available here.
> > 
> >         What other ideas are there for doing this - I could 
> probably 
> > boil it in vinegar for some time as I know that this cleans 
> the scale 
> > out of kettles, taps (faucets) and shower roses but do not know how 
> > effective it would be on 60 odd years of scale build up in a water 
> > jacket. The engine comes from a part of South Africa that 
> has what we 
> > call "brack" or "hard" water - this is water that has a lot 
> of minerals 
> > and salts in it and builds up a layer of this scale in 
> anything carrying 
> > the water (pipes and the like).
> > 
> >         I look forward to your answers.
> > 
> > Keep the revs up (or down)
> > Jerry Evans
> > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> > Tel. (016) 365-5787
> > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> > www.oldengine.org/members/evans 
> > ---
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> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> --
> yvt
> 
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
> 		
> http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 10:38:14 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:38:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za>
	<44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
Message-ID: <45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>

> Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. Next is the more 
> dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid.

They're the same thing. :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 10:40:18 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <230aadf5e109c51d0a8f8ad83ed44126@chartertn.net>

> To prevent future scaling up, try using rainwater as coolant.  It's as 
> close
> to distilled water as you can get for free.

Nowadays, you even get acid in it for free! Probably helps with 
removing some of the old scale.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Aug  5 11:07:48 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:07:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <230aadf5e109c51d0a8f8ad83ed44126@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <C0FA2C84.2013%rskinner@rustyiron.com>




On 8/5/06 10:40 AM, "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:

> Nowadays, you even get acid in it for free! Probably helps with
> removing some of the old scale.

Before one goes to these lengths, one should ask oneself, "Do I really want
to remove the mineral deposits that are sealing up the invisible cracks,
distorted flanges, and buggered up pipe fittings?"

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com








From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  5 11:14:08 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:14:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <200608051600.k75G04nl025249@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 05/08/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:56:25 +0100
>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>
>Hi Folks
>
>Been a bit quiet of late, due to all sorts of factors, such as work
>(bleugh!), holidays and entertaining foreign guests for whom "Jim &
>Dolly's" comes pretty high up on the itinery!
>The last guests were Kerry and Ruth Morris, who spent a few days with us
>between their tour of the British Isles and Italy.  We did some of the
>local canal stuff with them, and also visited Stamford, home of the
>Blackstone, and they left here with camera chips empty and laundry done
>ready for the next stage of their marathon journey.
>So, I've been updating our website since then.  My webbing speed is
>somewhere between that of Patrick and Arnie, so I've added pages for the
>1000 Engine Rally 2005 and 2006, plus a great show we visited in
>Cornwall with Arnie - they can be found at
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/shows.htm
>Plus there's a page for Jim's new toy, a Ransoms crawler, at
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/mg.htm
>And finally, one for the engine Jim is currently working on at
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/unknown.htm
>Any ideas of what it is?
>Enjoy at your leisure!
>Dolly

Hello Dolly,
         Thanks for the pics - that crawler is really a nice toy - just 
what I'd love. What engine does it have - is it English or Yank (the engine) ?
         That small "mystery engine" looks like something built by a guy in 
Newcastle Aus. - I'm sure you know who I mean :-)

         As far as web pages go I'm in the same boat as you - just putting 
the finishing touches to a few pages from shows that happened last year - 
oh well - better late than never. Just don't try to compete with Patrick. 
Although he denies it - I'm convinced that he has someone in the car with 
him on the way back from a show doing it on a laptop and uploading via 
satellite. Then when he gets home and writes a quick note to the Lists.  :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Aug  5 11:26:54 2006
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:26:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>

John, 

A question, isn't muriatic acid a weaker solution of hydrochloric acid?

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale


>> Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. Next is the more 
>> dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid.
> 
> They're the same thing. :-)
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Sat Aug  5 11:41:38 2006
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:41:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gib key
References: <44D46B49.3070402@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001a01c6b8be$c9302330$6401a8c0@office>

Hi fellas,
    Are keys generally made of a stronger steel then the common bar stock found in Lowes, Home 
Depot, or Tractor Supply? I need to make my own since I can't find a supplier that has the size key 
I need, which is  5/8 X 1/2 X 12 inches.
Thanks,
John 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 12:12:47 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:12:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
Message-ID: <f89af18d24829284f72014ffba0190fe@chartertn.net>

I'll have to go look at my jug and see if it lists a concentration...

It's 20%.

Concentrated hydrochloric acid in the chemistry lab is usually 33%, and 
can go up to about 40%.

The "muriatic" name is an old one, probably dating back to the days of 
alchemy.

John

On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Gary Epps wrote:

> John,
> A question, isn't muriatic acid a weaker solution of hydrochloric acid?
>
> Gary


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug  5 12:16:13 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:16:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale - now muriatic acid 
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>
	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
Message-ID: <9614a56eadd3f70633d7468fbb48b601@chartertn.net>

Ah! Here's a nice history including the name: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From driggars at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  5 12:13:54 2006
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:13:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>
	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
Message-ID: <44D4EDF2.4090309@earthlink.net>

Gary

They are both the same thing

Clint


Gary Epps wrote:

> John,
> A question, isn't muriatic acid a weaker solution of hydrochloric acid?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
>
>
>>> Next, muriatic acid should take out the scale. Next is the more 
>>> dangerous acid to use- hydrochloric acid.
>>
>>
>> They're the same thing. :-)
>>
>> John Culp
>> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Aug  5 15:56:57 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 06:56:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Jerry Evans...a reply!
Message-ID: <000f01c6b8e2$77ed06e0$eec631cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Jerry ,I would appreciate some kind of response to the email i sent you 
regarding your mates visit to Australia.The question pertained to whether or 
not your friend was self driving or not.
I imagine that this information would be of benefit to others as well.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug  5 17:53:26 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:53:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine
Message-ID: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>

I was looking at a Mercury Mariner Hybrid vehicle today and this is the 
specs it listed for the engine.

2.3L I-4 Atkinson-Cycle Engine

Now I wonder, is this the same Atkinson Cycle that we in the old engine 
world are familiar with?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



From rwenig at telus.net  Sat Aug  5 17:57:35 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:57:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is diluted so it is not 
so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid separately.

Rupert

Peter Scales wrote:
> Muriatic acid and Hydrochloric acid are one and the same thing.  Often sold
> as "brick acid" for cleaning brickwork.  I'd be tempted to use it dilute, at
> about 10%.  It should do a good job of eating limescale, but will do a good
> job of eating cast  iron too if given time, so rinsing with baking soda or
> washing soda is definitely a good idea.  It does a good job of eating flesh
> as well, at the higher concentrations.
> 
> "Always do what you oughter, add acid to water" when diluting.  If you do
> get any on yourself, baking or washing soda will neutralise, followed by a
> rinse in copious water.
> 
> Vinegar will do the job, but more slowly.  Proprietary kettle descalers will
> also work - they are often formulated from sulfonamic acid or formic acid if
> you find either of those easier to come by.  They're closer to vinegar than
> to hydrochloric acid.
> 
> To prevent future scaling up, try using rainwater as coolant.  It's as close
> to distilled water as you can get for free.
> 
> Regards
> 
>      Pete

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Sat Aug  5 18:06:05 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale - now muriatic acid
In-Reply-To: <9614a56eadd3f70633d7468fbb48b601@chartertn.net>
References: <200608051529250.SM01508@new.databak.co.za><44D4B484.3000105@telus.net>	<45def5cbf5617c65a9a36526e2b61b9e@chartertn.net>	<005f01c6b8bc$c3530c40$7083fb40@gary>
	<9614a56eadd3f70633d7468fbb48b601@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <44D5407D.3010206@telus.net>

Hello John,
	Thanks for posting the enlightening link. I stand corrected and learned 
something today.

Rupert

John Culp wrote:
> Ah! Here's a nice history including the name: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Aug  5 19:15:14 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:15:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The Atkinson is a very efficient engine. The linkages were the weakness.
Modern technology should have this taken care of.
Interesting to see what this develops to.
However, I just looked at those specs and it refers to valve timing so I
have doubts.
Also, the engine pic leads me to doubt if it is a true Atkinson cycle.
One of the new design ideas that I think has possibilities is the camless 
engine where the valves are worked by solenoids and the timing is computer 
controlled. Instant change with working conditions.
 But, like all complex stuff, ok till it breaks down!! <G>
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine


>I was looking at a Mercury Mariner Hybrid vehicle today and this is the
>specs it listed for the engine.
>
> 2.3L I-4 Atkinson-Cycle Engine
>
> Now I wonder, is this the same Atkinson Cycle that we in the old engine
> world are familiar with?
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
>
> _______________________________________________
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From segray at mlode.com  Sat Aug  5 20:53:29 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:53:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <44D567B9.2070905@mlode.com>

Yep. Ford (International) has been looking into a camless version of 
their Power Stroke diesels for the last few years. With the miseries 
that I experienced (overall 'puter problems) with the SAAB (GMC) a 
couple of years ago, I hate to think of the possibilities of serious 
down time!

- Steve

-- 
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Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



R & M Ingold wrote:

> <snip>

One of the new design ideas that I think has possibilities is the 
camless engine where the valves are worked by solenoids and the timing 
is computer controlled. Instant change with working conditions.

> But, like all complex stuff, ok till it breaks down!! <G>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:53 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine
>
>
>> I was looking at a Mercury Mariner Hybrid vehicle today and this is the
>> specs it listed for the engine.
>>
>> 2.3L I-4 Atkinson-Cycle Engine
>>
>> Now I wonder, is this the same Atkinson Cycle that we in the old engine
>> world are familiar with?
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, Ky
>>
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug  5 22:29:38 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:29:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <44D567B9.2070905@mlode.com>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>	<017701c6b8fe$286fb010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<44D567B9.2070905@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <44D57E42.1030603@steamengine.com.au>

There are already quite a few camless engines around - Honda had one in the 1970's - trouble is when the computer failed 
the default position for the valves was all open! Made a bit of a mess.

I've seen an engine design without cams that used slide valves opened by eccentrics - much like a steam engine. I'm not 
sure how well the surfaces would stand up long term. This sort of technology disappeared from steam engines because the 
large flat surfaces wore too quickly.

Regards
Paul

Steve Gray wrote:
> Yep. Ford (International) has been looking into a camless version of 
> their Power Stroke diesels for the last few years. With the miseries 
> that I experienced (overall 'puter problems) with the SAAB (GMC) a 
> couple of years ago, I hate to think of the possibilities of serious 
> down time!
> 
> - Steve
> 

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Aug  6 00:07:35 2006
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:07:35 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Gib key
In-Reply-To: <001a01c6b8be$c9302330$6401a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

I've made mine out of standard Key Steel which is a little better than mild
steel. It can be hardened. Original gib keys I have worked with seem to be
the same material.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Cullom
Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2006 2:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Gib key

Hi fellas,
    Are keys generally made of a stronger steel then the common bar stock
found in Lowes, Home 
Depot, or Tractor Supply? I need to make my own since I can't find a
supplier that has the size key 
I need, which is  5/8 X 1/2 X 12 inches.
Thanks,
John 


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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Aug  6 00:31:07 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:31:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester
Message-ID: <44D59ABB.60208@steamengine.com.au>

I'm looking for a manual for a Champion Spark Plug Cleaner Tester. It looks like this one:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/images/carjpg/autjpg/1508_34.jpg

Regards
Paul

-- 

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Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Aug  6 01:20:43 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:20:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
Message-ID: <000601c6b931$3633d360$8335c53e@doc>

Pretty sure :-)


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rupert Wenig
> Sent: 06 August 2006 01:58
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 	Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is 
> diluted so it is not 
> so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid 
> separately.
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Peter Scales wrote:
> > Muriatic acid and Hydrochloric acid are one and the same 
> thing.  Often sold
> > as "brick acid" for cleaning brickwork.  




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug  6 03:56:03 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 10:56:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080620061056.6859.44D5CAC3000938FA00001ACB219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years ago 
when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper and 
found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't 
want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and requires 
the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Aug  6 03:56:21 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:56:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
In-Reply-To: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>


>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day 
>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the 
>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor 
>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project. 
>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the 
>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)

Better start on the next one.

Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
Russ


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Aug  6 04:31:03 2006
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:31:03 +1000
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>

G'day Russell
Top stuff! good to hear you got it to go. has been a long restoration but it 
is always worth it at the end! i dare say a few beers were enjoyed that 
day!!
   Cheers
        Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!


>
>>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day
>>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the
>>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor
>>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project.
>>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the
>>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)
>
> Better start on the next one.
>
> Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
> Russ
>
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
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From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Aug  6 04:38:59 2006
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:38:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
References: <080620061056.6859.44D5CAC3000938FA00001ACB219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c6b94c$ea41c630$4ba40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1>

I have heard the old timers used water glass for this problem.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "Old eng list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "SEL Lists" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks


>
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years 
> ago
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper 
> and
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water 
> hopper
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if
> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas. 
> Don't
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and 
> requires
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Aug  6 05:29:14 2006
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:29:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester
References: <44D59ABB.60208@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <000d01c6b953$ee3f2e60$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

paul, i have a champion plug cleaner similar to yours, but no manual, 
sorry,, i am looking for the rubber discs the plugs are inserted into for 
cleaning, have any ideas where to find them ?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester


> I'm looking for a manual for a Champion Spark Plug Cleaner Tester. It 
> looks like this one:
>
> http://www.barrett-jackson.com/images/carjpg/autjpg/1508_34.jpg
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> -- 
>
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Aug  6 05:53:54 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:53:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Champion Spark Plug Cleaner / Tester
In-Reply-To: <000d01c6b953$ee3f2e60$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <44D59ABB.60208@steamengine.com.au>
	<000d01c6b953$ee3f2e60$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <44D5E662.1010203@steamengine.com.au>

Why not make them? Go to a gasket / sealing supplier - they should be able to give you raw material or even cut them for 
you if you don't have punches.

Paul

Bill Boyce wrote:
> paul, i have a champion plug cleaner similar to yours, but no manual, 
> sorry,, i am looking for the rubber discs the plugs are inserted into 
> for cleaning, have any ideas where to find them ?
> bill boyce

-- 

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Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Aug  6 07:10:56 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:10:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <44D57E42.1030603@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <200608061412.k76EB8JW034332@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Pavlinovich
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology

I've seen an engine design without cams that used slide valves opened by
eccentrics - much like a steam engine. I'm not 
sure how well the surfaces would stand up long term. This sort of technology
disappeared from steam engines because the 
large flat surfaces wore too quickly.

Regards
Paul

~~~~~~~~

Some of the early Otto IC engines had slide valves, too, didn't they?

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   





From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Aug  6 07:22:44 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:22:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <080620061056.6859.44D5CAC3000938FA00001ACB219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200608061423.k76EMqsA058167@mail-gw.fsr.net>

I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
silicate).  

http://www.mcmaster.com/

Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.

McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go. 

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:56 AM
To: Old eng list; SEL Lists
Subject: Water Hopper leaks

Hi All,
Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years
ago 
when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper
and 
found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't

want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and
requires 
the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sun Aug  6 08:15:52 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:15:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Atkinson Engine / camless technology
In-Reply-To: <200608061412.k76EB8JW034332@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <200608061412.k76EB8JW034332@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <44D607A8.6050701@steamengine.com.au>

You're quite right Orrin.

I just ran an mpg I took at a show on one of my usa visits when I was lucky enough to see three of them running 
side-by-side and slide valves are evident.

Paul

Orrin Iseminger wrote:

> 
> Some of the early Otto IC engines had slide valves, too, didn't they?
> 
> Orrin
> 
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug  6 10:36:46 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:36:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <c0b.503262.320782ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/6/2006 10:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
oiseming at moscow.com writes:

<< I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
 silicate) >>


Wasn't there a whole discussion on "rusting" small cracks a while back on the 
list?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From MBellar at aol.com  Sun Aug  6 11:41:40 2006
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:41:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <536.6f006953.320791e4@aol.com>

Curt;
 
My Instruction book for the 1.5 HP Mc D suggests that for small cracks you  
should fill the jacket high enough to cover the crack with salammoniac solution 
 ( ammonium chloride) (one pound to the gallon) let stand 30 min, drain and 
run  engine 5 min. to warm jacket. Stop engine and put solution back into 
jacket and  repeat process 3-4 times. 
 
Reference: Instructions for operating the McCORMIC-DEERING 1 1/2 H.P.  ENGINE 
MC-D 3062 7 1/2 M -10-29-31.
 
Tom Bellar

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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug  6 12:45:00 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:45:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <44D646BC.8050603@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Jerry

The crawler has an English Ransomes Simms & Jeffries air cooled, 600cc 
single cylinder engine with dry sump and automatic centrifugal clutch 
going to a 4:1 gearbox.  It does the work of 2 horses at 3mph - or so it 
says in the hand book.  Reg might disagree with that, eh, Reg??

Hopefully, next weekend will be the first trip out for the MG5, to a 
local working weekend.

Dolly

Jerry Evans wrote:

>
> Hello Dolly,
>         Thanks for the pics - that crawler is really a nice toy - just 
> what I'd love. What engine does it have - is it English or Yank (the 
> engine) ?
>         That small "mystery engine" looks like something built by a 
> guy in Newcastle Aus. - I'm sure you know who I mean :-)
>
>         As far as web pages go I'm in the same boat as you - just 
> putting the finishing touches to a few pages from shows that happened 
> last year - oh well - better late than never. Just don't try to 
> compete with Patrick. Although he denies it - I'm convinced that he 
> has someone in the car with him on the way back from a show doing it 
> on a laptop and uploading via satellite. Then when he gets home and 
> writes a quick note to the Lists.  :-)
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 13:12:32 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:12:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc> <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>         Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is diluted so it is not
> so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid separately.
>
> Rupert

Rupert:

Muriatic Acid is the older name for Hydrochloric Acid, before the name
reflected the chemical composition/ingredients.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug  6 14:07:20 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list 
In-Reply-To: <c0b.503262.320782ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Guys
I have a question and this does not pertain to the list but I sure do need
some help with this problem. I'm disabled and live on a small income. I have
a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am that has a bad dimmer switch that is about ready to
go out. For what they want to replace this switch is more than what I bring
home each month. What I want to do is rewire the dim headlights with a
toggle switch in side the car and bypass the dimmer switch all together. I'm
not worrying about having bright headlights as dim lights will do just fine
for no more than I drive my car.  I know how to wire the old cars before
they had computers and my concern is, how can I do this without the car
battery going dead when the light are on? Has any one done this or does any
one know if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Any help on this would be
deeply appreciated. 

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 







From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Aug  6 14:28:03 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:28:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060805200342.00adf978@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<44D646BC.8050603@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <025601c6b99f$37a44950$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The one I had never did the work of two wet mice, never mind two horses!!!
Only good for going downhill. Flat surfaces had it stuffed! Biggest waste of 
metal I ever came across. Mind you, I wanted it to work, not be a show pony.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 5


> Hi Jerry
>
> The crawler has an English Ransomes Simms & Jeffries air cooled, 600cc 
> single cylinder engine with dry sump and automatic centrifugal clutch 
> going to a 4:1 gearbox.  It does the work of 2 horses at 3mph - or so it 
> says in the hand book.  Reg might disagree with that, eh, Reg??
>
> Hopefully, next weekend will be the first trip out for the MG5, to a local 
> working weekend.
>
> Dolly
>
> Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Dolly,
>>         Thanks for the pics - that crawler is really a nice toy - just 
>> what I'd love. What engine does it have - is it English or Yank (the 
>> engine) ?
>>         That small "mystery engine" looks like something built by a guy 
>> in Newcastle Aus. - I'm sure you know who I mean :-)
>>
>>         As far as web pages go I'm in the same boat as you - just putting 
>> the finishing touches to a few pages from shows that happened last year - 
>> oh well - better late than never. Just don't try to compete with Patrick. 
>> Although he denies it - I'm convinced that he has someone in the car with 
>> him on the way back from a show doing it on a laptop and uploading via 
>> satellite. Then when he gets home and writes a quick note to the Lists. 
>> :-)
>>
> -- 
>
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Aug  6 14:43:32 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:43:32 +1000
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
In-Reply-To: <001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>
	<001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060807074029.01aad590@ncable.com.au>

Thanks Mick, yes it has been quite a while since it was started. You 
got it right however, a beer or two went down real nice last night. 
Dad has done quite a bit of work on the engine with me and he was 
present at the start. He was/is more excited than me I think. Time to 
pull another one into the work shop.
cheers, Russ

At 09:31 PM 6/08/2006, you wrote:
>G'day Russell
>Top stuff! good to hear you got it to go. has been a long restoration but it
>is always worth it at the end! i dare say a few beers were enjoyed that
>day!!
>    Cheers
>         Mick
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:56 PM
>Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
>
>
> >
> >>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day
> >>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the
> >>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor
> >>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project.
> >>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the
> >>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)
> >
> > Better start on the next one.
> >
> > Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
> > Russ
> >
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug  6 14:50:26 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:50:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
Message-ID: <173642405.1154901026164.JavaMail.root@fepweb08>

Lyle, when I get to the shop tomorrow I'll look up the diagram and give you an idea what to do.
J.B.Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Aug  6 15:07:42 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  6 Aug 2006 18:07:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Land Grab & SEL Dinner
Message-ID: <1154902062.44d6682eb9781@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Well we had some really great news at Findlay this weekend.

Bob Matthews is gonna be at Portland Thursday and will be able to stake out an
area for the SEL to setup together.  Leroy Clark will be able to help out some,
but it sure would be GREAT if anyone is going to be at Portland for the Friday
land grab if they could go to the list area and help Bob out.

Dave also asked me to remind everyone that the SEL Dinner is Thursday at the
Back Forty in Decatur.  If you're planning on attending the dinner, be sure to
email Dave and let him know how many will be in your party.  He needs to let
the Back Forty folks know how many to expect.

Dave's email is:  rotigel at alltel.net

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

PS - If you missed Findlay this year you probably missed the most perfect show
of the season!!  Make sure to put it on your list for NEXT year!!






From mullt at att.net  Sun Aug  6 13:54:30 2006
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:54:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080620062054.25172.44D657060004E2E00000625421603760219B04049A03@att.net>

You might try a mixture of water and Elmer's white glue or equivalent. I think you could do about 4 parts water to one part glue. Put the mixture in the hopper, slosh it around a little, empty it out and let it dry.

The water/glue mix should penitrate the crack enough to fill it. When it drys and hardens, it seals any cracks. Be sure to cover any small openings that you don't want sealed.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years ago 
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper and 
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't 
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and requires 
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Aug  6 15:59:53 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:59:53 +0100
Subject: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au><001f01c6b94b$ce0b7160$76ad57ca@n>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060807074029.01aad590@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001801c6b9ac$088d28a0$3ac10b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S] [SEL] The Eagle has landed!


> Thanks Mick, yes it has been quite a while since it was started. You 
> got it right however, a beer or two went down real nice last night. 
> Dad has done quite a bit of work on the engine with me and he was 
> present at the start. He was/is more excited than me I think. Time to 
> pull another one into the work shop.
> cheers, Russ

Hi Russell, I checked your webshots page & found out it was a Warwick Eagle
you were on about.
They are quite rare here in England.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rwenig at telus.net  Sun Aug  6 21:03:20 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:03:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
In-Reply-To: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
References: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <44D6BB88.2080105@telus.net>

Hello Lyle,
	I don't see any learned replies so I'll take a stab at it. Hope it helps.
	It sounds to me that the dash has to be taken apart if they are 
charging you so much. You probably will have to do that to to add a 
toggle switch. I haven't worked on a Grand Am but I have changed dimmer 
switches on other vehicles. The plastic has to come off the steering 
column and the steering wheel has to come off. You may have to remove 
the instrument cluster to get at the connector. Both are not difficult. 
It just takes time. In other words, I'm saying to take a good look at it 
as you probably can change the dimmer switch yourself.

Rupert

Lyle Myles wrote:
> Guys
> I have a question and this does not pertain to the list but I sure do need
> some help with this problem. I'm disabled and live on a small income. I have
> a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am that has a bad dimmer switch that is about ready to
> go out. For what they want to replace this switch is more than what I bring
> home each month. What I want to do is rewire the dim headlights with a
> toggle switch in side the car and bypass the dimmer switch all together. I'm
> not worrying about having bright headlights as dim lights will do just fine
> for no more than I drive my car.  I know how to wire the old cars before
> they had computers and my concern is, how can I do this without the car
> battery going dead when the light are on? Has any one done this or does any
> one know if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Any help on this would be
> deeply appreciated. 
> 
> Lyle Myles
> 
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Aug  7 00:03:59 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:03:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
In-Reply-To: <44D6BB88.2080105@telus.net>
References: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
	<44D6BB88.2080105@telus.net>
Message-ID: <44D6E5DF.4030301@telus.net>

Hello Lyle,
	You probably know this but disconnect the battery first specially if 
there is an air bag in the steering wheel.

Rupert

Rupert Wenig wrote:
> Hello Lyle,
>     I don't see any learned replies so I'll take a stab at it. Hope it 
> helps.
>     It sounds to me that the dash has to be taken apart if they are 
> charging you so much. You probably will have to do that to to add a 
> toggle switch. I haven't worked on a Grand Am but I have changed dimmer 
> switches on other vehicles. The plastic has to come off the steering 
> column and the steering wheel has to come off. You may have to remove 
> the instrument cluster to get at the connector. Both are not difficult. 
> It just takes time. In other words, I'm saying to take a good look at it 
> as you probably can change the dimmer switch yourself.
> 
> Rupert
> 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Aug  7 00:39:32 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:39:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Eagle has landed!
References: <44D53D86.1000303@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.0.20060806205010.01975720@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c6b9f4$9fc2f270$5f11fea9@merlin>

good stuff Russell good  to hear you got it running 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Eagle has landed!


> 
>>Well the Eagle have not quite landed but rahter fired! A great day 
>>in engine land with my Eagle; made back in 1911?? fired up for the 
>>first time in many years and it ran real sweet. Have a few minor 
>>things to do to finish it off but a very rewarding project. 
>>AAARRRHHHH it's just as sweet this time around as it's been in the 
>>past to get another running. Shit this is good fun! F#@ckin love it! :-)
> 
> Better start on the next one.
> 
> Don't let em beat you guys. It's worth it in the long run.
> Russ
> 
> 
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:07:33 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:07:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060907.2940.44D702D5000056B200000B7C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Tom,
Only problem is my F&J is a hit n miss runner and would take a long time for 
the water to get hot enough.  Ive got an engine like yours and doesn't take 
long to boil water.
thanks,
Curt


> Curt;
>  
> My Instruction book for the 1.5 HP Mc D suggests that for small cracks you  
> should fill the jacket high enough to cover the crack with salammoniac solution 
>  ( ammonium chloride) (one pound to the gallon) let stand 30 min, drain and 
> run  engine 5 min. to warm jacket. Stop engine and put solution back into 
> jacket and  repeat process 3-4 times. 
>  
> Reference: Instructions for operating the McCORMIC-DEERING 1 1/2 H.P.  ENGINE 
> MC-D 3062 7 1/2 M -10-29-31.
>  
> Tom Bellar
> 
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> <DIV>Curt;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>My Instruction book for the 1.5 HP Mc D suggests that for small cracks=20=
> you=20
> should fill the jacket high enough to cover the crack with salammoniac solut=
> ion=20
> ( ammonium chloride) (one pound to the gallon) let stand 30 min, drain and r=
> un=20
> engine 5 min. to warm jacket. Stop engine and put solution back into jacket=20=
> and=20
> repeat process 3-4 times.&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Reference: Instructions for operating the McCORMIC-DEERING 1 1/2 H.P.=20
> ENGINE MC-D 3062 7 1/2 M -10-29-31.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Tom Bellar</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:10:40 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:10:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060910.3993.44D703900009468700000F99219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Tom where can one get socium silicate?
thanks for the tip,
Curt


> In a message dated 8/6/2006 10:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> oiseming at moscow.com writes:
> 
> << I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
>  silicate) >>
> 
> 
> Wasn't there a whole discussion on "rusting" small cracks a while back on the 
> list?
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:12:32 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:12:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060912.4136.44D70400000D38E500001028219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Orrin, does it leave any kind of messy residue?
Curt


> I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
> silicate).  
> 
> http://www.mcmaster.com/
> 
> Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
> will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
> 
> McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
> friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
> hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Orrin
> 
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:56 AM
> To: Old eng list; SEL Lists
> Subject: Water Hopper leaks
> 
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years
> ago 
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper
> and 
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't
> 
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and
> requires 
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug  7 02:29:00 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:29:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Water Hopper leaks
Message-ID: <080720060929.7765.44D707DC000D278200001E55219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tom, will consider that white glue fix.
Curt


> You might try a mixture of water and Elmer's white glue or equivalent. I think 
> you could do about 4 parts water to one part glue. Put the mixture in the 
> hopper, slosh it around a little, empty it out and let it dry.
> 
> The water/glue mix should penitrate the crack enough to fill it. When it drys 
> and hardens, it seals any cracks. Be sure to cover any small openings that you 
> don't want sealed.
> 
> Tom in St. Louis
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> > Hi All,
> > Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years ago 
> > when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> > thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper and 
> > found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water hopper 
> > where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> > can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if 
> > there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.  Don't 
> > want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and requires 
> > the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> > Thank you in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  7 05:31:14 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:31:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <200608061600.k76G06f0009447@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F12887F354AF419A33D9F80C7570@phx.gbl>

>   28. RE: Water Hopper leaks (Orrin Iseminger)
>I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
>silicate).
>
>http://www.mcmaster.com/
>
>Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
>will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
>
>McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
>friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
>hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go.
>
>Regards,
>
>Orrin
Water glass = Block Sealer = Sodium Silicate    You can also find smaller 
cans of this product at your local auto parts store.  Usually the can says 
"Block Sealer"    I agree with Orrin and the others that the block sealer is 
a good idea.




From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug  7 05:59:28 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:59:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <080720060912.4136.44D70400000D38E500001028219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200608071259.k77CxeWV046268@mail-gw.fsr.net>

No, it does not leave any kind of residue that I can see.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:13 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks

Thanks Orrin, does it leave any kind of messy residue?
Curt


> I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
> silicate).  
> 
> http://www.mcmaster.com/
> 
> Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on "Find" and it
> will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
> 
> McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and service is
> friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are looking for a
> hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Orrin
> 
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:56 AM
> To: Old eng list; SEL Lists
> Subject: Water Hopper leaks
> 
> Hi All,
> Need some help with my 3hp Fuller & Johnson,model N engine.  Several years
> ago 
> when returning from a show I dumbed it off my trailer when unloading and 
> thought there was no damages until the next time I filled the water hopper
> and 
> found a small leak some where on the back lefthand side of the water
hopper 
> where it fastens to the base unit.  Believe there is a hairline crack but 
> can't seem to find it. The engine is completely restored and painted so if

> there is some way to add some sort of sealent I am looking for ideas.
Don't
> 
> want to use radiator stop leak as it leaves a merky black residue and
> requires 
> the water very hot (this is hit n miss engine).  
> Thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Aug  7 06:01:00 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:01:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F12887F354AF419A33D9F80C7570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006201c6ba21$881236e0$8335c53e@doc>

Water glass also used to be sold for preserving eggs, in the days of my
youth.  You might therefore find it at a hardware or grocery store as well.


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Glines
> Sent: 07 August 2006 13:31
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] RE: Water Hopper leaks
> 
> >   28. RE: Water Hopper leaks (Orrin Iseminger)
> >I've had good luck sealing small water leaks with water glass (socium
> >silicate).
> >
> >http://www.mcmaster.com/
> >
> >Just type in sodium silicate in their "Find" field, click on 
> "Find" and it
> >will take you to what you are looking for.  A gallon costs $12.20.
> >
> >McMaster-Carr accepts plastic and their delivery is fast and 
> service is
> >friendly.  Some of their prices seem high, but if you are 
> looking for a
> >hard-to-find item, they are the first place to go.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Orrin
> Water glass = Block Sealer = Sodium Silicate    You can also 
> find smaller 
> cans of this product at your local auto parts store.  Usually 
> the can says 
> "Block Sealer"    I agree with Orrin and the others that the 
> block sealer is 
> a good idea.
> 
> 
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> 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug  7 03:48:17 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:48:17 +0200
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <200608061600.k76G06f6009447@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060807122400.00af72b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hi All,

         Thanks to all the guys who responded to this post.

         I've decided to give the phosphoric acid a go (I can get some 
easily).

         What should the strength of the acid be - what I can get is 85% - 
should I dilute this and by how much?
         Thanks again.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Aug  7 10:27:38 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:27:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>
	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>
	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
Message-ID: <44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>

Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.

I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The outlet I 
was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool using a .50 
diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then using some 
fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) and the tool in 
a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball diameter. Testing with a 
new ball showed it sealed nicely.

However, the input side seat was almost gone and the ball was almost 
ready to drop thru the seat. Using a larger ball was not an option as it 
would be larger that the cap threads over the ball. My first thought was 
to fill it with Babbitt and recut the seat, but I had no Babbitt at the 
house. So I decided to use electronics solder instead. First using a 
small dremel tool I cleaned up the seat to make it brite so the solder 
would tin to the brass body. The I made a wooden plug from a dowel that 
would keep the solder out of the pipe threads underneath, and that would 
keep the cavity under the ball open. This plug was tapped in.
A bit of flux was added, the body heated with the torch and the entire 
seat area filled with solder to be flush with the seat. Once cooled, a 
transfer punch tool was used to give a starting location. The hole was 
drilled larger and larger in steps until about 5/16" diameter. Then a 
1/2" drill was used just a little to form a crude seat. Then a 1/2" ball 
was dropped in and then tapped with a brass rod and hammer. This formed 
a perfect spherical seat in the soft solder. All the was done with hand 
tools in a bench vise and was done in a half hour.

I haven't a clue how long the repair will last, but for now it is 
working great and the pump seals and keeps up with the engine. Thought 
you might want to file this one away in your bag of tricks so save an 
otherwise shot fuel pump.....
See ya,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Aug  7 11:00:02 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:00:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I have a question and this does not pertain to the list
In-Reply-To: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
References: <000001c6b99c$4fe59300$dddee004@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <44D77FA2.1020602@telenet.net>

Lyle,
  The 98 has relay controlled lights. They can be a PIA to wire around 
because of the way they are set up to work.
The multifunction switch itself is about 40 bucks without cruise and 64 
with cruise. They are also available from many salvage yards even 
cheaper (Usually you can buy the complete column without the steering 
wheel for less than just the switch). They are not real hard to change 
out if you have some mechanical ability. The biggest challenge is the 
connector for the cable itself.

Where are you located? Maybe there are some folks nearby who could give 
you a hand if you don't want to attempt it yourself.

http://car-part.com/index.htm
Check on there and see if a yard close by has something in stock.


Lyle Myles wrote:
> Guys
> I have a question and this does not pertain to the list but I sure do need
> some help with this problem. I'm disabled and live on a small income. I have
> a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am that has a bad dimmer switch that is about ready to
> go out. For what they want to replace this switch is more than what I bring
> home each month. What I want to do is rewire the dim headlights with a
> toggle switch in side the car and bypass the dimmer switch all together. I'm
> not worrying about having bright headlights as dim lights will do just fine
> for no more than I drive my car.  I know how to wire the old cars before
> they had computers and my concern is, how can I do this without the car
> battery going dead when the light are on? Has any one done this or does any
> one know if this is a good idea or a bad idea. Any help on this would be
> deeply appreciated. 
> 
> Lyle Myles
> 
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Aug  7 11:19:01 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:19:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>
	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>
	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
	<44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <3165.165.206.180.19.1154974741.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Stuff like this is what it's all about. Cool
Thanks.

Bill


 Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.
>
> I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The outlet I
> was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool using a .50
> diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then using some
> fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) and the tool in
> a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball diameter. Testing with a
> new ball showed it sealed nicely.
>
> However, the input side seat was almost gone and the ball was almost
> ready to drop thru the seat. Using a larger ball was not an option as it
> would be larger that the cap threads over the ball. My first thought was
> to fill it with Babbitt and recut the seat, but I had no Babbitt at the
> house. So I decided to use electronics solder instead. First using a
> small dremel tool I cleaned up the seat to make it brite so the solder
> would tin to the brass body. The I made a wooden plug from a dowel that
> would keep the solder out of the pipe threads underneath, and that would
> keep the cavity under the ball open. This plug was tapped in.
> A bit of flux was added, the body heated with the torch and the entire
> seat area filled with solder to be flush with the seat. Once cooled, a
> transfer punch tool was used to give a starting location. The hole was
> drilled larger and larger in steps until about 5/16" diameter. Then a
> 1/2" drill was used just a little to form a crude seat. Then a 1/2" ball
> was dropped in and then tapped with a brass rod and hammer. This formed
> a perfect spherical seat in the soft solder. All the was done with hand
> tools in a bench vise and was done in a half hour.
>
> I haven't a clue how long the repair will last, but for now it is
> working great and the pump seals and keeps up with the engine. Thought
> you might want to file this one away in your bag of tricks so save an
> otherwise shot fuel pump.....
> See ya,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug  7 11:27:28 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:27:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060807122400.00af72b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <200608071828.k77IRolG022702@mail-gw.fsr.net>

I've not seen any responses, yet, so will jump in with a
not-very-well-educated opinion.  

I vaguely remember from my college freshman chemistry days that (some? all?)
highly concentrated acid(s) will react more slowly than it would somewhat
diluted.  (It has to do with the presence of free ions.)  As far as how much
to dilute it, your guess is as good as mine.  

But, I have some experience with using phosphoric acid straight out of the
jug for rust removal.  The reaction is very vigorous, even on bare unrusted
iron.  IMHO, in order to give better control of the reaction, I'd dilute it.
You can experiment.  Dilute a very small quantity 4:1 and give it a try on a
test piece.  Adjust the concentration up or down based on your observation.

My tuppence.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:48 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale


>Hi All,

         Thanks to all the guys who responded to this post.

         I've decided to give the phosphoric acid a go (I can get some 
easily).

         What should the strength of the acid be - what I can get is 85% - 
should I dilute this and by how much?
         Thanks again.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Aug  7 13:18:00 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:18:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
Message-ID: <245.fda95e0.3208f9f8@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/7/2006 1:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
curt at imc-group.com writes:

<< I haven't a clue how long the repair will last, but for now it is 
 working great and the pump seals and keeps up with the engine. >>


Curt,

Seems like the solder should last a long time. Good trick to remember.  I did 
something similar to the ball and welding rod one time, except I drilled a 
hole in the ball and drove the tang end of a chain saw file into it and a quick 
lapping tool!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 13:20:57 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:20:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] RE: Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <200608071828.k77IRolG022702@mail-gw.fsr.net>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060807122400.00af72b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<200608071828.k77IRolG022702@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608071320g26a00f67x4f413287c0324012@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/08/06, Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:
> I've not seen any responses, yet, so will jump in with a
> not-very-well-educated opinion.
>

Orrin:

There were quite a few responses to the original question, most of
qhich were on oldengine.org.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Aug  7 15:01:11 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:01:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump repair.....
Message-ID: <20060807.180111.560.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks for the shade tree repair, Curt.

Like to see more of that kind of stuff.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
  \/)"(\/         "In the past, it was about getting freedom to chose. - 
   
  (_o_)                 Now, it about keeping our freedom. (M. Schultz)
ABATE


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Aug  7 16:41:30 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:41:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc> <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6ba7b$0290ddf0$6400a8c0@home>

Any body try drain cleaners like liquid plumber ? Just a thought  maybe too 
harsh and eat up your engine ?  I'll try it on my IHC LA .

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale


> On 06/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>>         Are you sure. My understanding is muriatic acid is diluted so it 
>> is not
>> so strong. That is why I list muriatic and hydrochloric acid separately.
>>
>> Rupert
>
> Rupert:
>
> Muriatic Acid is the older name for Hydrochloric Acid, before the name
> reflected the chemical composition/ingredients.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Aug  7 21:21:40 2006
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:21:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Dave Rotigel
Message-ID: <20060808061846.6E52B62782A@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org>

Hi, Does anyone have a phone # for Dave? I'm trying to catch him before
Portland. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan,415  892  0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Aug  8 07:57:59 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:57:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Trying to contact Dave Rotigel
Message-ID: <20060808.105956.1012.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Try these Jim.


724-668-7897
Cell Phone # 724.433.6724


 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
  \/)"(\/         "In the past, it was about getting freedom to chose. - 
   
  (_o_)                 Now, it about keeping our freedom. (M. Schultz)
ABATE


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Tue Aug  8 13:14:37 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction At. Portland
Message-ID: <002301c6bb27$471dece0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

In the early years of the SEL Bernie Hartmann, a SEL member
and very good friend of mine, died of Lou Gehrigs disease
(ALS). Each year SEL has made a donation from the charity auction
to the Les Turner ALS Foundation in honor of Bernie. One year I bought 2  Walterscheid Tractor calendars donated by John "Sixm" Hammink . These calendars are for the years 1989 and 1992 and are 12 x 16 inches in size. At the Portland SEL charity auction 
this month I am donating these calendars to the charity auction 
in memory of Bernie and John. The calendars include the envelope (with stamps) and a letter from John. I have sent Dave R. a photo
of these and maybe he will post them on a website.

Many thanks to Spencer Yost (and Brice Adams in the early years)
and all you SEL Guy and Gals for sponsoring such a worthy auction.

From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Tue Aug  8 15:05:26 2006
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:05:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Calcification removal
In-Reply-To: <200608081600.k78G044B026976@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <FF35A44D-2729-11DB-8079-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>

You can always heat the part to ~700F to dehydrate the carbunkles and 
allow easy removal. I have been doing this for years using an old kiln. 
Also removed the grime allowing one to see cracks real easy. I did this 
on a couple of oilfield engines with plugged ported cylinders (ARACOs) 
and it worked like a champ.  Slow heating is the operative phrase here.

Paul



From dleis at centurytel.net  Tue Aug  8 19:00:22 2006
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:00:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] cushman R-12 question
Message-ID: <005701c6bb57$935afb40$0501a8c0@computer>

Hi Everyone 

     I need to replace the two frost plugs on the bottom of the water hopper on my R-14 if someone could tell me where to find the frost plugs I would appreciate it? thank you see at Baraboo :-)

                                                           Stacy 

p.s. 
      does anyone have or no someone that has barrett's esophagus because I have that and in march I had it looked at and  the test come back pre-cancers  so I went back in June and it was the same. so if know someone that has went through this if you could e-mail my off list at dleis at centurytel.net I would appreciate it. thank you


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Aug  8 18:39:12 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hauling Needed
In-Reply-To: <005701c6bb57$935afb40$0501a8c0@computer>
Message-ID: <20060809013912.79401.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello All

I have an engine near Portland, OR that needs a ride to the Chicagoland
area.  The catalog weight of the engine is around 450 lbs, but it is on a
cart so add 100 lbs for that.

If anyone is coming out east and can assist in getting it closer, I would
appreciate it.  I need to get something setup in the next week.

Thanks

Steve Barr


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From segray at mlode.com  Tue Aug  8 22:04:03 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:04:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] R&V help
Message-ID: <44D96CC2.5010101@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   I finally drug out my 2 HP R&V Triumph last night to start some of 
the clean up/repair process. All the valve train items, rocker, rocker 
mount, ignitor trip, etc., had been "farmer" fabricated many years ago 
out of steel plate. During the last 5 years I obtained unmachined repro 
castings of the parts, but have nothing in the way of pictures to go by 
for details. Anyone in engine land got a decent close up of the rocker 
arm area and maybe the ignitor trip? None of my literature has anything 
usable. Thanks in advance!!

- Regards,
     Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Aug  9 00:32:58 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:32:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] R&V help
References: <44D96CC2.5010101@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <003301c6bb87$18d5c640$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Steve, the best I can do is send the info from the model prints. Get back to 
me and I will copy them and email em to you.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] R&V help


> Hi All -
>
>   I finally drug out my 2 HP R&V Triumph last night to start some of the 
> clean up/repair process. All the valve train items, rocker, rocker mount, 
> ignitor trip, etc., had been "farmer" fabricated many years ago out of 
> steel plate. During the last 5 years I obtained unmachined repro castings 
> of the parts, but have nothing in the way of pictures to go by for 
> details. Anyone in engine land got a decent close up of the rocker arm 
> area and maybe the ignitor trip? None of my literature has anything 
> usable. Thanks in advance!!
>
> - Regards,
>     Steve
>
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug  9 03:28:11 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:28:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] R&V help
Message-ID: <080920061028.3999.44D9B8BB0001AB0F00000F9F219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Steve,
Ive got one of those engines and maybe can help.  Let me exactly what you 
wanting.
Curt Andree


> Hi All -
> 
>    I finally drug out my 2 HP R&V Triumph last night to start some of 
> the clean up/repair process. All the valve train items, rocker, rocker 
> mount, ignitor trip, etc., had been "farmer" fabricated many years ago 
> out of steel plate. During the last 5 years I obtained unmachined repro 
> castings of the parts, but have nothing in the way of pictures to go by 
> for details. Anyone in engine land got a decent close up of the rocker 
> arm area and maybe the ignitor trip? None of my literature has anything 
> usable. Thanks in advance!!
> 
> - Regards,
>      Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Aug  9 19:10:49 2006
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:10:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Daves #
Message-ID: <20060810021054.848739B41B@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org>

Hey Thanks Guys, I'll yank his chain after he's had time to wash down some
of that Fl. Sand  Jimmy O'

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug  9 09:02:17 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Findlay 2006 Photo's (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608091201190.68662@vegeta.city-net.com>

>From Russell Farmer.  ENJOY!!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:37:40 -0400
From: Russell Farmer <oilengine at earthlink.net>
Subject: Findlay 2006 Photo's

Hope all had a great time. Looking forward to Portland !
(Findlay Photo link)
Shortcut to: http://home.earthlink.net/~oilengine/images/



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Aug 10 02:11:53 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:11:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] terrorists
Message-ID: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

News just coming in on TV is that major terrorist activity in London 
Airport.
NOW will the 'Powers that be' accept we ARE at war??
I am wondering how this is going to affect my trip to USA!
So, friends, dont be shocked if I dont arrive on time!
I HATE these radical ragheads!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From mls543 at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 10 04:13:35 2006
From: mls543 at adelphia.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:13:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] terrorists
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <44DB14DF.9020909@adelphia.net>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> News just coming in on TV is that major terrorist activity in London 
> Airport.
> NOW will the 'Powers that be' accept we ARE at war??
> I am wondering how this is going to affect my trip to USA!
> So, friends, dont be shocked if I dont arrive on time!
> I HATE these radical ragheads!!!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
Hey Reg don't take any clear gel anti perspirant deodorant  in your 
carry on  luggage. TV says they are takeing the stuff out and keeping it.
                                                          Mark


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Aug 10 04:17:36 2006
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:17:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] terrorists
References: <00fd01c6bc5d$085e0e40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<44DB14DF.9020909@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <015d01c6bc6e$99bbbd40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Thanks Mark! I really need this shit!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark L Shattuck" <mls543 at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] terrorists


>R & M Ingold wrote:
>> News just coming in on TV is that major terrorist activity in London 
>> Airport.
>> NOW will the 'Powers that be' accept we ARE at war??
>> I am wondering how this is going to affect my trip to USA!
>> So, friends, dont be shocked if I dont arrive on time!
>> I HATE these radical ragheads!!!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> Hey Reg don't take any clear gel anti perspirant deodorant  in your 
> carry on  luggage. TV says they are takeing the stuff out and keeping it.
>                                                          Mark
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From asouth at strato.net  Thu Aug 10 05:18:44 2006
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:18:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
Message-ID: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>

Hello list,
Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last few 
days?
I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.

I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN show 
the weekend before?

Have a good day all.





Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Aug 10 10:22:22 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <4296.165.206.180.19.1155230542.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I get anywhere from 1 to a dozen or more a week................
Plus a lot of "make money on ebait" offers, offers of kits and such, and
fake questions from ebay buyers wanting to know about something I'm
selling (I'm not) and sellers demanding I respond to their request for
payment (I've not bought)
It's all fake wanting you to respond or go to a web site.

Bill


 Hello list,
> Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last few
> days?
> I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
>
> I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN show
> the weekend before?
>
> Have a good day all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Arthur Southwell
> Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> asouth at strato.net
>
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Aug 10 10:58:00 2006
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:58:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <002501c6bca6$8d020270$a344e5d8@gary>

I'm averaging a half doz. a week and I'm on a slow dial-up connection.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Southwell" <asouth at strato.net>
To: "ATIS-SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers


> Hello list,
> Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last few 
> days?
> I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
>
> I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN show 
> the weekend before?
>
> Have a good day all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Arthur Southwell
> Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> asouth at strato.net
>
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 10 12:06:25 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:06:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
Message-ID: <410-22006841019625343@earthlink.net>

You guys must be doing something to attract them, I might get 1 every other
month.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/10/2006 1:15:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
>
> I'm averaging a half doz. a week and I'm on a slow dial-up connection.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Southwell" <asouth at strato.net>
> To: "ATIS-SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:18 AM
> Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
>
>
> > Hello list,
> > Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last
few 
> > days?
> > I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
> >
> > I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN
show 
> > the weekend before?
> >
> > Have a good day all.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Arthur Southwell
> > Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> > Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> > asouth at strato.net
> >
> > http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> > http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 14:13:35 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:13:35 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <410-22006841019625343@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006841019625343@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608101413u22b68b65vb09386ecd00adce7@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/08/06, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:
> You guys must be doing something to attract them, I might get 1 every other
> month.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas

You're doing well, Tim. We have a lot that arrive here at home and at
the factory, most of which are using our email addresses from Usenet
newsgroup postings, and of course, Google, which gives out a lot of
stored info if you ask the right questions.

The two Engine List subscriptions are on Gmail which doesn't attract
much at all.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From segray at mlode.com  Fri Aug 11 09:17:58 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:17:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
Message-ID: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   I've gotten involved with the possible repairs of a common John Deere 
1.5 HP E and wonder if anyone of the list has a Deere mag currently 
pulled apart? I need the orientation of the woodruff key in the armature 
shaft to the countersunk screw holes in the pot metal end plate of the 
armature. This one's been in trouble and spun the shaft in the pot metal 
casting losing both the mechanical attachment and the timing position. 
The fix is fairly simple, but I need the key position right for the mag 
timing. Any help is greatly appreciated. Picture at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/deere1.jpg. Many thanks in advance!

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From nick at holden1.net  Fri Aug 11 10:17:13 2006
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:17:13 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
References: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>

 
 Hi Steve
Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you 
Want any more info just ask
 
Nick
 
Nick
Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Steve Gray
Date: 11/08/2006 17:45:28
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
 
Hi All -
 
   I've gotten involved with the possible repairs of a common John Deere
1.5 HP E and wonder if anyone of the list has a Deere mag currently
pulled apart? I need the orientation of the woodruff key in the armature
shaft to the countersunk screw holes in the pot metal end plate of the
armature. This one's been in trouble and spun the shaft in the pot metal
casting losing both the mechanical attachment and the timing position.
The fix is fairly simple, but I need the key position right for the mag
timing. Any help is greatly appreciated. Picture at
http://www.oldengineshed.com/snapshots/deere1.jpg. Many thanks in advance!
 
- Steve
 
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Aug 11 12:01:48 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:01:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
References: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>
	<44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>
Message-ID: <000701c6bd78$9a7e6e20$3ac10b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] More help needed
 Hi Steve
Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you 
Want any more info just ask
 Nick Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
Big Snip

Hey Nick, you took a shot of an engine I missed at the 1000.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/551705577/2276282010068725911LAczuc
Did anyone note down the details of this one please.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From segray at mlode.com  Fri Aug 11 12:52:12 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:52:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
In-Reply-To: <44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>
References: <44DCADB6.9050102@mlode.com>
	<44DCBB92.000001.03524@YOUR-447023AE6B>
Message-ID: <44DCDFEC.30405@mlode.com>

Hi Nick -

   That is perfect!! Exactly what I needed. I figured the key was 
probably between the narrow separation of the screws (lined up with the 
iron core of the armature) or 90 degrees to it. Without tearing my 
engine apart, I just didn't know. You just made me happy and the owner 
of the engine VERY happy!! :-)      Again, the List comes through!! Now, 
I gotta go do some machining!

THANKS Nick!

- Steve

-- 
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Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




Nick Holden wrote:

> 
>
> Hi Steve
>
>Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you 
>
>Want any more info just ask
>
> 
>
>Nick
>
> 
>
>Nick
>
>Banbury (UK)
>
>http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
>
> 
>
>  
>




From nick at holden1.net  Fri Aug 11 13:01:38 2006
From: nick at holden1.net (Nick Holden)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:01:38 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] More help needed
References: <000701c6bd78$9a7e6e20$3ac10b52@no1>
Message-ID: <44DCE218.000001.00176@YOUR-447023AE6B>

 
 Hi Dave 
Looking at my book their was no info board with this engine
So I can not help
But someone must know something
Nick
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Dave Croft
Date: 08/11/06 20:15:58
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] More help needed
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Holden" <nick at holden1.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] More help needed
  Hi Steve
Look on my webshots I just took some photos if you
Want any more info just ask
  Nick Banbury (UK)
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
 
Big Snip
 
Hey Nick, you took a shot of an engine I missed at the 1000.
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/551705577/2276282010068725911LAczuc
Did anyone note down the details of this one please.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Aug 11 14:12:27 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:12:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>

I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5 
Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
Or any other information on it.
Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something 
up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it 
few small dents
R Fink
PA




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 11 14:48:11 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:48:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <002201c6bd8f$d85b4170$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>

Might be worth joining the Kohler group on yahoo;
Kohler_Engine_Club-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.

Lew Best near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Fink Sr
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:12 PM
To: SEL.email discussionlist
Subject: [SEL] Kohler

I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5 
Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
Or any other information on it.
Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something 
up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it

few small dents
R Fink
PA


 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 23:29:08 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:29:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/08/06, Richard Fink Sr <nancydick at pennswoods.net> wrote:
> I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5
> Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
> Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
> Or any other information on it.
> Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something
> up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it
> few small dents
> R Fink
> PA

We have a big chunk of Kohler information on our website:

Look for the Kohler icon down towards the bottom of the main menu.
Models up to 5kVA/5kW are in there with schematics etc.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 12 01:14:52 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:14:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>

Hover your mouse over the link in the email the one that looks like www.ebay.com/blah blah blah and you will find the 
real address of the fake site. If your mail software does not support this, then upgrade to something that does!

Regards
Paul

Arthur Southwell wrote:
> Hello list,
> Is any one besides me receiving a lot of Ebay spoof messages the last 
> few days?
> I've received 6 already this morning, and it's only 8:15 EDT.
> 
> I'll see some of you at Portland.  Anyone going to the Greensburg IN 
> show the weekend before?
> 
> Have a good day all.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Arthur Southwell
> Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
> Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
> asouth at strato.net
> 
> http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
> http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
> http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
> http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944
> 
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Aug 12 04:59:25 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:59:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine 
Message-ID: <44DDC29D.1000008@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Saw this one on another site so I thought I would pass it along.
http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/photoads/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=144097&query=retrieval

Duncan

-- 
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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 03:59:25 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:59:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>
	<44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608120359k2f6e337o4e12f7266c4cbd83@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/08/06, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> Hover your mouse over the link in the email the one that looks like www.ebay.com/blah blah blah and you will find the
> real address of the fake site. If your mail software does not support this, then upgrade to something that does!
>
> Regards
> Paul
>

Agent (www.forteinc.com) is probably the best email and news client
available, and being text-based it doesn't automatically show HTML
on-screen, so it is pretty clear that the address is a spoof.

Any email from ebay that is not in plain text is also probably a fake....

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Aug 12 07:40:08 2006
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:40:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <002201c6bd8f$d85b4170$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060812073810.01b07db0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Thanks Lew   Peter got some info of peters site. It is a k 91 motor. will 
check out yahoo
R Fink
PA






At 04:48 PM 8/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Might be worth joining the Kohler group on yahoo;
>Kohler_Engine_Club-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.
>
>Lew Best near Waco, TX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>Fink Sr
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:12 PM
>To: SEL.email discussionlist
>Subject: [SEL] Kohler
>
>I have a kohler power plant it just found me.Model 1E21 RPM 1200 HP 4.5
>Cyles 60 Bat V. 32 KVA. 1.5
>Any one have a operators manual or now where i can get one.
>Or any other information on it.
>Would like to try and get it running but don't want to screw something
>up????????????.   IT looks very good most of the original paint is on it
>
>few small dents
>R Fink
>PA
>
>
>
>
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug 11 19:04:51 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:04:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
Message-ID: <006b01c6bdb3$b2fda200$9bd04c0c@D48VHZ61>

I know this is off-topic but it is antique related and engine powered.

I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list before and have come up with 
a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately lost.

I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the blue ones made in 
Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any leads I would greatly 
appreciate them.

John Hall
jthall at worldnet.att.net




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Aug 12 17:56:24 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:56:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Dinner/Charity Auction
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060812205026.01b05ec0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I need to let Ellen at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur, IN know how many 
we will have at the ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction on (Thurs.) August 24th 
at 6:00 PM at the Portland Show. If you are planning on joining us please 
let me know so that I can add you to the count. Contact me off List at 
rotigel at alltel.net.
	Dave
PS, Would someone please forward this post to the tractor list? Thanks!



From mickdema at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 13 05:02:05 2006
From: mickdema at yahoo.com (Mick Demaria)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:02:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
In-Reply-To: <006b01c6bdb3$b2fda200$9bd04c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <20060813120206.84636.qmail@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi John, 
 Try sites below.

http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf?OpenDatabase
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView
  
  Mick


--- John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> I know this is off-topic but it is antique related
> and engine powered.
> 
> I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list
> before and have come up with 
> a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately
> lost.
> 
> I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the
> blue ones made in 
> Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any
> leads I would greatly 
> appreciate them.
> 
> John Hall
> jthall at worldnet.att.net
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug 13 05:32:22 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:32:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
References: <20060813120206.84636.qmail@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV117A37FBDBF3DC2131D3C9BB490@phx.gbl>

John..my friend has this one:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/1399555311039077051ZdSXCu

and

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/1399556295039077051pxakmC

  I have no source for parts or manuals...but if I can take more pictures or 
provide measurements, just let me know.

Regards
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Demaria" <mickdema at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors


> Hi John,
>  Try sites below.
>
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf?OpenDatabase
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView
>
>   Mick
>
>
> --- John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > I know this is off-topic but it is antique related
> > and engine powered.
> >
> > I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list
> > before and have come up with
> > a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately
> > lost.
> >
> > I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the
> > blue ones made in
> > Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any
> > leads I would greatly
> > appreciate them.
> >
> > John Hall
> > jthall at worldnet.att.net
> >
> >
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> >
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From edurand at iglou.com  Sun Aug 13 07:42:45 2006
From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:42:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>

edurand StationeryGroup:

Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
guys get it.

http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
tml
Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at cybertron.com

http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand



From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Sun Aug 13 08:08:26 2006
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:08:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <44DF406A.7000603@atnet.net>

Eldon - Interesting photos.  Too bad.

I'm not a guru but think the larger FM engine could be related to the 
engines on the Gato class subs of WEII fame.

Regards,

Bob

Elden DuRand wrote:

> edurand StationeryGroup:
> 
> Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
> guys get it.
> 
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
> tml
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at cybertron.com
> 
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand
> 
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Aug 13 09:35:45 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:35:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <019801c6bef6$876df380$99781941@pengy>

I am definately interested in at least one of these units.  The electric 
bill is killing me for the foundry.  I spend $1400 a month to run my furnace 
and I use around 80KW maximum demand, most of the time my demand is between 
50 to 70kw.  This gen set would power my furnace and keep the foundry 
business operating.   I figure I probably run the furnace 20 to 30 hours per 
month.

The Tod Engine Foundation would be willing to accept donation of the unit, 
we are a 501 c 3 organization.  We will have to work out the logistics of 
getting it moved and I would need to talk with someone about what it would 
take to run one of these.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org
William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at iglou.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home


> edurand StationeryGroup:
>
> Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
> guys get it.
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
> tml
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at cybertron.com
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand
>
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Aug 13 09:41:30 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:41:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEFLEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <01ae01c6bef7$54a7cb00$99781941@pengy>

Elden,

Oh I didn't notice that there are two of the two cylinder engines until I 
reread the website.  We would be ineterested in both but probably not the 
opposed piston engine.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org
William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at iglou.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] Power Plant Needs a Home


> edurand StationeryGroup:
>
> Check this out.  It'd be a shame to let the scrap
> guys get it.
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Power%20Plant.h
> tml
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at cybertron.com
>
> http://home.cybertron.com/~edurand
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug 13 11:40:25 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:40:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
Message-ID: <44DF7219.6000300@insulate.co.uk>

This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
wood, digging holes etc.
Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see it 
in action.
I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
soon as possible!

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 13 12:20:15 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:20:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
Message-ID: <410-220068013192015828@earthlink.net>

Can't wait.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/13/2006 1:40:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
>
> This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
> no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
> to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
> wood, digging holes etc.
> Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
> its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
> get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
> cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
> twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see it 
> in action.
> I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
> soon as possible!
>
> Dolly
>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 15:23:03 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:23:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Removing calcification & scale
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <06a301c6b8ae$60e0e6d0$8335c53e@doc> <44D53E7F.1050608@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608061312w63990eel5dd6ab57aa6bfd8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6f5c6b504ab12b2d3d9511450c20867@chartertn.net>

> Muriatic Acid is the older name for Hydrochloric Acid, before the name
> reflected the chemical composition/ingredients.

Well, really it did reflect its composition, since "muriatic" was an 
old word meaning it came from brine or salt. Related to the Latin word 
for sea. We've just moved on to another system of nomenclature.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 15:32:24 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:32:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>
	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>
	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>
	<44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>

I've similarly used a ball as a seat lap by jamming it into the end of 
a piece of copper tubing.

John

On Aug 7, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Curt wrote:

> Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.
>
> I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The outlet 
> I was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool using a 
> .50 diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then using 
> some fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) and the 
> tool in a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball diameter. 
> Testing with a new ball showed it sealed nicely.



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Aug 13 16:14:03 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:14:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
Message-ID: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/13/2006 3:46:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:

I've  similarly used a ball as a seat lap by jamming it into the end of 
a piece  of copper tubing


John, 
I used some JB Weld to fasten a seat lap ball to a ?" wood  dowel.  I also 
repaired a damaged seat using JB Weld.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Aug 13 16:43:40 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:43:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] De-rust chemical? Your thoughts..... 
In-Reply-To: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6bf32$4ffe1740$4500a8c0@sheeba>

 
Is it any good?
What's it cost?
How does it work really?
Anyone here use it?

http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
 
http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sec
tionid=4&id=21&Itemid=26 

I've seen it at swap meets, etc............... But wonder - how can it be
"patented" if it's a simple chemical reaction?
No acid? 
Totally safe?


Bill
Runnells, IA




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Aug 13 17:01:33 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:01:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>
References: <BAY118-F1710DF21944F2E3B1E14A4DF510@phx.gbl>	<002001c6b8c0$38e214d0$6401a8c0@office>	<00a001c6ba2e$23cd5900$1e712052@kim9m4f9c59gis>	<44D7780A.9080209@imc-group.com>
	<c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <44DFBD5D.50402@scrtc.com>

If its a bronze or brass fuel pump, I have had success repairing the 
seat by simply taking a ball bearing thats the same diameter as the 
bronze check ball, placing it on the seat and taking a blunt punch and 
tapping it with a hammer. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> I've similarly used a ball as a seat lap by jamming it into the end of 
> a piece of copper tubing.
>
> John
>
> On Aug 7, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Curt wrote:
>
>> Guys, here is a shade tree repair to get your fuel pump up and running.
>>
>> I had a fuel pump in which the pair of checks valve didn't. The 
>> outlet I was able to rehone and get sealing again by making a tool 
>> using a .50 diameter ball and welding a piece of 1/8" rod to it. Then 
>> using some fine diamond lapping paste (15 micron and then 5 micron) 
>> and the tool in a hand drill, lapped the seat to match the ball 
>> diameter. Testing with a new ball showed it sealed nicely.
>
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 17:03:38 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:03:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>
References: <3be.900e3f7.32110c3b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b14ad5f2bf1ba3f202fced3fce3c5d2a@chartertn.net>

> John,
> I used some JB Weld to fasten a seat lap ball to a ?" wood  dowel.  I 
> also
> repaired a damaged seat using JB Weld.

Hey, if it works, fine. If it works and it's really cheap or free, it's 
great!

Shade Tree 'R' Me.

:-D

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 13 17:11:36 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:11:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] De-rust chemical? Your thoughts..... 
In-Reply-To: <000001c6bf32$4ffe1740$4500a8c0@sheeba>
References: <000001c6bf32$4ffe1740$4500a8c0@sheeba>
Message-ID: <0cf6331c2e2c15cf829c6c93f030ad98@chartertn.net>

There's some no-phosphoric-acid Naval Jelly and copies out there. I  
forget exactly what's in 'em, but an MSDS hunt would turn it up. What I  
do know is that the stuff doesn't work nearly as well as the phosphoric  
acid kind. In recent years, I couldn't get any sort of cleaning  
compound containing phosphates here, due to U.S. environmental  
regulations aimed at protecting the Tennessee River system from  
eutrophication. Thus I ended up with some of this crud. Now, for some  
reason, the phosphate kind's available again, so I dumped the  
non-phosphate stuff and got the real thing.

Also, there's the interesting "Phosphate Free TSP," which is sodium  
metasilicate. A.K.A. water glass. Comes in a crystalline powder, and  
it's very strongly basic, so be careful with it. Not for derusting, but  
it's good for the usual uses of TSP like cleaning concrete and brick,  
removing nasty greasy crud, will precipitate hard water minerals out of  
cooling water before they cause that hard scale on the inner cooling  
system surfaces (it settles as a white clay-like substance), and will  
kill poison ivy if you spray it straight on it. :-)

John

On Aug 13, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Bill Dickerson wrote:

>
> Is it any good?
> What's it cost?
> How does it work really?
> Anyone here use it?
>
> http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
>
> http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php? 
> option=com_content&task=category&sec
> tionid=4&id=21&Itemid=26
>
> I've seen it at swap meets, etc............... But wonder - how can it  
> be
> "patented" if it's a simple chemical reaction?
> No acid?
> Totally safe?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From honda_trx250r at msn.com  Sun Aug 13 17:34:29 2006
From: honda_trx250r at msn.com (Christopher Migliaccio)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:34:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>

please remove me from the mailing list




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Aug 13 18:31:07 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:31:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060813210953.03c62480@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:34 PM 8/13/2006, you wrote:
>please remove me from the mailing list

Hi Christopher,
         I'm sorry to inform you that your request can not be honored. 
There are certain rules that must be followed in order to have someone else 
remove your name from the List! . Records show clearly that you have not 
been on the List for the required 69 years in order to be considered for 
such removal
         There is ONE HOPE, however. A VERY few individuals who choose to 
live the good life for a period not to exceed 48 hours, give excessive 
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short time (usually 6-8 hours is sufficient), and give up smoking, drinking 
and sex for a period not to exceed six (6) hours are provided with a link 
at the bottom of each post received from the SEL. If you happen to be lucky 
enough to be provided with such a link you might try clicking on it and 
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still going to die?
          



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 13 18:50:06 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:50:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F266A4B4F91B41C5D4DD102CD4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001c6bf43$f9193290$14e6fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8>

SIR
IF YOU CLICK ON THE LINK IN THIS E-MAIL AND GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE YOU
WILL SEE WHERE TO UNSUBCRIBED FROM THE MAILING LIST. HOPE THIS HELPS AND
MAYBE SOMEDAY WE WILL SEE YOU BACK ON THE LIST. HAVE A NICE DAY.

http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
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Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:34 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)

please remove me from the mailing list


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From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 13 18:54:02 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:54:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060813210953.03c62480@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000101c6bf44$8579ef40$14e6fc04@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Amen to that brother

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:31 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject)

At 08:34 PM 8/13/2006, you wrote:
>please remove me from the mailing list

Hi Christopher,
         I'm sorry to inform you that your request can not be honored. 
There are certain rules that must be followed in order to have someone else 
remove your name from the List! . Records show clearly that you have not 
been on the List for the required 69 years in order to be considered for 
such removal
         There is ONE HOPE, however. A VERY few individuals who choose to 
live the good life for a period not to exceed 48 hours, give excessive 
funds to the charity of their choice, refrain from beating their wife for a 
short time (usually 6-8 hours is sufficient), and give up smoking, drinking 
and sex for a period not to exceed six (6) hours are provided with a link 
at the bottom of each post received from the SEL. If you happen to be lucky 
enough to be provided with such a link you might try clicking on it and 
follow the "unsubscribe" directions that can be found there!
         Dave
PS, Did you know that if you eat lots of vegetables, exercise regularly, 
give up cigarettes and alcohol, and attend church regularly that you are 
still going to die?
          

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 13 20:31:51 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:31:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
Message-ID: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul

From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 13 20:51:16 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:51:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>

Know nothing bout Maytag engines but sure is a cute little tractor!

Lew Best near Waco, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Maples
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:32 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from
me and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time
he hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track,
the engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits
another bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what
was happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what
solutions, if any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
 

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 13 21:25:59 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:25:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>

I agree Lew, thanks.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help


> Know nothing bout Maytag engines but sure is a cute little tractor!
> 
> Lew Best near Waco, TX
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> 



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Aug 13 13:06:51 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:06:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors
References: <20060813120206.84636.qmail@web56811.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c6bf14$0488c080$f5d84c0c@D48VHZ61>

Great site!! You'd have think I would have found that when "searching"---no 
such luck though.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Demaria" <mickdema at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Chainsaw collectors


> Hi John,
> Try sites below.
>
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf?OpenDatabase
> http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/GasbyManufacturer?OpenView
>
>  Mick
>
>
> --- John Hall <jthall at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> I know this is off-topic but it is antique related
>> and engine powered.
>>
>> I have discussed antique chainsaws on the list
>> before and have come up with
>> a couple of contacts which I have unfortunately
>> lost.
>>
>> I am in need of some parts for a Titan chainsaw (the
>> blue ones made in
>> Washington---not McCulloughs). If anyone has any
>> leads I would greatly
>> appreciate them.
>>
>> John Hall
>> jthall at worldnet.att.net
>>
>>
>> 



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug 14 03:59:37 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:59:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000001c6bf90$c7b60af0$12b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Paul
Do you still have those plans for sale and if so, what would they cost?

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he
hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another
bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
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From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug 14 04:03:01 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:03:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000101c6bf91$3fc70ad0$12b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Paul
I forgot to add that if you do have these plans for sale that you can
contact me off list at lyle45859 at peoplepc.com 

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help

Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he
hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another
bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 14 04:30:31 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:30:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] De-rust chemical? Your thoughts..... 
Message-ID: <081420061130.13550.44E05ED700039F03000034EE219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Bill,
Ive been using Evapo rust for sometime now with very very good results.  Works 
very well with rusty cast iron stuff.  I ve got a couple 5gal pails of it and 
will place hard to remove rusty stuff in one over night and wa-la the next day 
all you do is wash the item off with water and it looks like brand new.  Its 
non-toxic and no special protections necessary but I wear rubber gloves mainly 
to prevent hands from getting the black residue off from handling after 
soaking and washing.  Down side is it isn't cheap!  But works well!  If you 
got any other questions give me a shout.
Curt Andree


>  
> Is it any good?
> What's it cost?
> How does it work really?
> Anyone here use it?
> 
> http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html
>  
> http://www.evapo-rust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sec
> tionid=4&id=21&Itemid=26 
> 
> I've seen it at swap meets, etc............... But wonder - how can it be
> "patented" if it's a simple chemical reaction?
> No acid? 
> Totally safe?
> 
> 
> Bill
> Runnells, IA
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Aug 14 04:50:19 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:50:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
	<003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>

I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the white 
stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for charging into my 
cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows and I wonder if one of 
those would work for me.

If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you know 
where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
249 North Water Avenue
Sharon, PA 16146
330-272-4089
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Aug 14 05:12:10 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:12:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Spoofs from Ebay Fakers
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608120359k2f6e337o4e12f7266c4cbd83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009101c6bc77$204990a0$e800a8c0@ARTHUR>	<44DD8DFC.10000@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160608120359k2f6e337o4e12f7266c4cbd83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E0689A.5000903@steamengine.com.au>

I use Thunderbird from Mozilla. It is free, it works, it is open source, it integrates with micro$oft office etc. Could 
not recommend it more highly.

www.mozilla.org

Regards
Paul

Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 12/08/06, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
>> Hover your mouse over the link in the email the one that looks like 
>> www.ebay.com/blah blah blah and you will find the
>> real address of the fake site. If your mail software does not support 
>> this, then upgrade to something that does!
>>
>> Regards
>> Paul
>>
> 
> Agent (www.forteinc.com) is probably the best email and news client
> available, and being text-based it doesn't automatically show HTML
> on-screen, so it is pretty clear that the address is a spoof.
> 
> Any email from ebay that is not in plain text is also probably a fake....
> 
> Peter

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Aug 14 05:24:38 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:24:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
Message-ID: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>

I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the most 
curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother 
after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.

After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
checked regulary and also get the physical exam.

We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need it.

See some of you Thursday.

Peg Pfeiffer




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 14 06:06:56 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:06:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the 
phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then 
stated below.
No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark


>Hi guys,
>
>  Thought I should let you know , Bob had a motor cycle accident this 
> afternoon.
>   I just got back from Victoria hospital in London.
>      They had him in Critical Care Trauma Center. He is under heavy 
> sedation and has some head trauma and liver and spleen damage.
>
>  I won't know anything else until they do. We do not know as yet what 
> exactly happened. I will let you know when I know.
>
>  Please keep him in your prayers.   He also has a large case of ROAD RASH 
> on his left side. He did respond to me , but not to the doc or the nurses 
> , he was in shock , but with his deafness he may not have heard them , 
> plus he was really confused when they picked him up so the sedation 
> didn't help with responses either.
>  I will be at the hospital tomorrow.
>
>   Love Ya's  Sheila
>
>
>----------




From edurand at iglou.com  Mon Aug 14 07:20:27 2006
From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:20:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <c22b0264fe2997a896f6e3374491f658@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEGPEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>

John:

I've always seated a pump check ball by sitting the ball on the seat then, with a soft drift, giving it a bop with a hammer.  Works for me.

BTW - how 'ya doin'?

Take care - Elden


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of John Culp
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 05:32 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
> 
> 
> I've similarly used a ball as a seat lap by 
> jamming it into the end of 
> a piece of copper tubing.
> 
> John 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 14 06:16:53 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:16:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the 
phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then 
stated below.
No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark


>Hi guys,
>
>  Thought I should let you know , Bob had a motor cycle accident this 
> afternoon.
>   I just got back from Victoria hospital in London.
>      They had him in Critical Care Trauma Center. He is under heavy 
> sedation and has some head trauma and liver and spleen damage.
>
>  I won't know anything else until they do. We do not know as yet what 
> exactly happened. I will let you know when I know.
>
>  Please keep him in your prayers.   He also has a large case of ROAD RASH 
> on his left side. He did respond to me , but not to the doc or the nurses 
> , he was in shock , but with his deafness he may not have heard them , 
> plus he was really confused when they picked him up so the sedation 
> didn't help with responses either.
>  I will be at the hospital tomorrow.
>
>   Love Ya's  Sheila
>
>
>----------




From edurand at iglou.com  Mon Aug 14 07:28:26 2006
From: edurand at iglou.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:28:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEHAEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>

Peg:

My condolences on the loss of your Dad and please extend my thoughts to the rest of your family.

I've lost my two best friends to prostate cancer so I know where you're coming from.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of William J
> Pfeiffer Sr
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 07:25 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday 




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Aug 14 06:25:45 2006
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:25:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
In-Reply-To: <024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <000401c6bfa5$26478c10$3364a8c0@Eagle>

	I had some coke crushed at a local engine show several years ago. It
worked great. I have not seen the gentleman who had the crusher since. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:50 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher

I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the white
stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for charging into my
cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows and I wonder if one of
those would work for me.

If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you know
where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
249 North Water Avenue
Sharon, PA 16146
330-272-4089
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug 14 06:29:58 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:29:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200608141330.k7EDUJxQ033822@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William J
Pfeiffer Sr
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:25 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday

I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the most 
curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother 
after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.

After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
checked regulary and also get the physical exam.

We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need it.

See some of you Thursday.

Peg Pfeiffer

~~~~~~~~~

Peg, Cathy and I send our condolences.  Indeed, it is heart-wrenching to
watch a person suffer and waste away.  Please take solace in knowing that
your father is suffering no more.

Regards, 

Orrin and Cathy

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.     





From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Aug 14 06:40:45 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:40:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	I was about to ask the same question as I too am working on a Kohler. 
Thanks for putting the Kohler information up on the web. I am working on 
a Kohler similar to the L600. I haven been able to confirm numbers yet. 
The pages I'm comparing are this one 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler51.htm>

Rupert

Listerdiesel wrote:
> 
> We have a big chunk of Kohler information on our website:
> 
> Look for the Kohler icon down towards the bottom of the main menu.
> Models up to 5kVA/5kW are in there with schematics etc.
> 
> Peter

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 07:11:03 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:11:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
	<44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>         I was about to ask the same question as I too am working on a Kohler.
> Thanks for putting the Kohler information up on the web. I am working on
> a Kohler similar to the L600. I haven been able to confirm numbers yet.
> The pages I'm comparing are this one
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler51.htm>
>
> Rupert
>

The rest of the 1A21 manual is not scanned as it was pretty basic
stuff and no data, but if there is anything you need on that or any of
the other models, let me know and I will endeavour to find it for you.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 07:14:34 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:14:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060814090623.0357cbb0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608140714n1b8da36dmd457c9a84a70ee82@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/08/06, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the
> phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then
> stated below.
> No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark
>
>

<snipped Sheila's message>

Sorry to hear about that, can be nasty when you scrape yourself along
the highway. We'll keep Bob & Shelia in our thoughts. Let us hear any
more news please.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Aug 14 07:50:52 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:50:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fuel pump repair.....
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEGPEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEGPEKAA.edurand@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <e624d6ff9aa982a2a5b43ce9d1d619b5@chartertn.net>

That's a good tip, too.

I'm getting along fine, Elden. Great to hear from you!

John

On Aug 14, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> John:
>
> I've always seated a pump check ball by sitting the ball on the seat 
> then, with a soft drift, giving it a bop with a hammer.  Works for me.
>
> BTW - how 'ya doin'?
>
> Take care - Elden


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Aug 14 09:22:40 2006
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:22:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <000801c6bfbd$f36bf2e0$916a0b42@computer>

Sheila,
     So sorry to hear of Bob's accident.  Blessings!!!           George F.
Armstrong
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital


>I'm forwarding this note from Sheila about Bob Bolhuis. I just off the
>phone with Sheila and they still do not know more about what or why then
>stated below.
>No other cars involved, no idea why it happened yet.    Mark
>
>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>  Thought I should let you know , Bob had a motor cycle accident this
>> afternoon.
>>   I just got back from Victoria hospital in London.
>>      They had him in Critical Care Trauma Center. He is under heavy
>> sedation and has some head trauma and liver and spleen damage.
>>
>>  I won't know anything else until they do. We do not know as yet what
>> exactly happened. I will let you know when I know.
>>
>>  Please keep him in your prayers.   He also has a large case of ROAD RASH
>> on his left side. He did respond to me , but not to the doc or the nurses
>> , he was in shock , but with his deafness he may not have heard them ,
>> plus he was really confused when they picked him up so the sedation
>> didn't help with responses either.
>>  I will be at the hospital tomorrow.
>>
>>   Love Ya's  Sheila
>>
>>
>>----------
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From rwenig at telus.net  Mon Aug 14 10:52:18 2006
From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:52:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>	<44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44E0B852.4020109@telus.net>

Hello Peter,
	My unit is fitted with a different magneto (American Bosch #MRD 
4A310)which is different. Also, the controller on top of the generator 
is a Culter-Hammer. The numbers on the panel name plate are: 243282A and 
C-H No. 11615ED9. I could use more info on the CH control box contents. 
The battery charging part of it isn't working.

	Thanks for your help.

Rupert

Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 14/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>>         I was about to ask the same question as I too am working on a 
>> Kohler.
>> Thanks for putting the Kohler information up on the web. I am working on
>> a Kohler similar to the L600. I haven been able to confirm numbers yet.
>> The pages I'm comparing are this one
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/Kohler51.htm>
>>
>> Rupert
>>
> 
> The rest of the 1A21 manual is not scanned as it was pretty basic
> stuff and no data, but if there is anything you need on that or any of
> the other models, let me know and I will endeavour to find it for you.
> 
> Peter

-- 
--
yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
		
http://www3.telus.net/public/rwenig/


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 12:50:43 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:50:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Kohler
In-Reply-To: <44E0B852.4020109@telus.net>
References: <4.2.0.58.20060811170642.01b09e70@mail.pennswoods.net>
	<6f6025160608112329g3a0076b3q4cf905de19ec802c@mail.gmail.com>
	<44E07D5D.6080204@telus.net>
	<6f6025160608140711u509fdb4j135677e3add2da7@mail.gmail.com>
	<44E0B852.4020109@telus.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608141250i48a9ae40j4c27b5b5f1362016@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/08/06, Rupert Wenig <rwenig at telus.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>         My unit is fitted with a different magneto (American Bosch #MRD
> 4A310)which is different. Also, the controller on top of the generator
> is a Culter-Hammer. The numbers on the panel name plate are: 243282A and
> C-H No. 11615ED9. I could use more info on the CH control box contents.
> The battery charging part of it isn't working.
>
>         Thanks for your help.
>
> Rupert

Rupert:

That 243282A part# doesn't come up in the older books, so it may be a
later replacement part, not the original.

I have been through all the books I have here to double-check on that,
and nowhere is that number shown, so it looks like you have a later
replacement/build.

The magneto is probably a standard American Bosch unit, I'll check
that part over the next day or so to see if we have any info in the
master manuals.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Aug 14 13:01:10 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:01:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
Message-ID: <559.5324200.32123086@aol.com>

Peg,

Very sorry to hear about the passing of your father.  Seems that here is just 
too many folks with cancer these days.  Due to being a 2 time colon cancer 
survivor, I get all kinds of regular checks ups. Something everyone should do!

Have a nice restful time at Portland.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 14 15:49:14 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:49:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
References: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be that 
God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all 
understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had raised a 
loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be 
reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.

God Bless and Keep You Peg,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday


>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the most 
>curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother 
>after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
>
> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
> the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
> checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
>
> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need 
> it.
>
> See some of you Thursday.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 14 16:03:39 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
References: <000101c6bf91$3fc70ad0$12b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <00b101c6bff5$e1edf940$240110ac@PAUL2>

Lyle I may can find another set, I sold them for $10.00 plus $2.00 for 
postage.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at peoplepc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help


> Paul
> I forgot to add that if you do have these plans for sale that you can
> contact me off list at lyle45859 at peoplepc.com
>
> Lyle Myles
>
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord 
> has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
> To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
>
> Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
> and built this tractor:
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg
>
> He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time 
> he
> hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
> engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits 
> another
> bump.
>
> He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
> happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
> any, you might have.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Aug 14 20:51:42 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>
	<003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <004401c6c01e$1f49cd00$99781941@pengy>

Does anyone have a rock crusher that will be at a show and looking for 
something to do with it?  Have coke will travel!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher


>I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the white 
>stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for charging into my 
>cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows and I wonder if one of 
>those would work for me.
>
> If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you know 
> where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
> 249 North Water Avenue
> Sharon, PA 16146
> 330-272-4089
> Fax 330-759-1524
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Mon Aug 14 21:50:36 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:50:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <00b101c6bff5$e1edf940$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000101c6c026$5a716930$a3b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

If you can find them, I would be interested in buying them. Just let me
know.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help

Lyle I may can find another set, I sold them for $10.00 plus $2.00 for 
postage.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at peoplepc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help


> Paul
> I forgot to add that if you do have these plans for sale that you can
> contact me off list at lyle45859 at peoplepc.com
>
> Lyle Myles
>
> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord 
> has
> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
> To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
>
> Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me
> and built this tractor:
>
> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg
>
> He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time 
> he
> hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
> engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits 
> another
> bump.
>
> He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was
> happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if
> any, you might have.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 15 04:34:25 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:34:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
In-Reply-To: <004401c6c01e$1f49cd00$99781941@pengy>
References: <002201c6bf54$e81053a0$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>	<003b01c6bf59$beba9010$240110ac@PAUL2>	<024f01c6bf97$d1f5c670$99781941@pengy>
	<004401c6c01e$1f49cd00$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <44E1B141.7050203@imc-group.com>

Hey Rick,
Here is your opportunity to attend our Cotton Ginning Days show in 
Dallas/Gastonia, NC the second weekend in October. Bring your coke and 
crush away. List member Tommy Berry usually has his assay rock crusher 
set up for the kids to toss rocks into. I'd bet an assay crusher is 
exactly the size you need as I'm guessing the platens are about 8" 
square. Perhaps Tommy will pipe up and give a few more details about the 
opening dimensions......
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Does anyone have a rock crusher that will be at a show and looking for 
> something to do with it?  Have coke will travel!
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" 
> <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:50 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
>
>
>> I need a way to crush my supplies of coke (the black stuff, not the 
>> white stuff) down from 5 and 6" dia. down to 1 to 2" dia. for 
>> charging into my cupola furnace.  I have seen rock crushers at shows 
>> and I wonder if one of those would work for me.
>>
>> If you happen to have a rock crusher for sale let me know or if you 
>> know where I might find one I would appreciate hearing about it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Works
>> Makers of Quality iron and ductile iron castings
>> 249 North Water Avenue
>> Sharon, PA 16146
>> 330-272-4089
>> Fax 330-759-1524
>> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Aug 15 05:01:36 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <3852.165.206.180.139.1155643296.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Ouch - dunno why I didn't get the first/original post from Peg, but here's
my belated response -
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It made me think of my own parents,
their age and health, etc. I may need to make some changes.........
And thanks for the heads-up. Maybe you have caused just one person to go
get checked and perhaps avoid what can be avoided.
Prayers are with you.
My wife's departed Aunt Julie had a saying as she was dying from ovarian
cancer "that darned ol' cancer". My words would be a bit stronger........
If he was as nice as you are,  ;-)  the world lost another good one.

Bill

> Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be that
> God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all
> understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had raised
> a
> loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be
> reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.
>
> God Bless and Keep You Peg,
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>
>
>>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the
>> most
>>curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my Mother
>>after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
>>
>> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his
>> bones,
>> the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your
>> PSA
>> checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
>>
>> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need
>> it.
>>
>> See some of you Thursday.
>>
>> Peg Pfeiffer
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Aug 15 05:06:05 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Engine - Need Help
In-Reply-To: <000101c6c026$5a716930$a3b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>
References: <00b101c6bff5$e1edf940$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<000101c6c026$5a716930$a3b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>
Message-ID: <3866.165.206.180.139.1155643565.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

That IS a cute little critter!
I bet 36" tires would take some of the bump out and make it run smoother.
Seriously, a bump, eh - well, what if gas is sloshing around and getting
up into the crankcase and flooding it out?
Or, perhaps it's a jar on the checkvalve and letting the gas not stick up
in the fuel pickup tube and letting it starve?
I'd wonder about putting a different sort of checkvalve in place. Perhaps
a different style?
OK, scientists - would a ball with heavier mass cause more problems or less?
What about a lighter ball that would not get jarred?
Or a disk type check?

Bill


>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
>> Maples
>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:32 PM
>> To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
>>
>> Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from
>> me
>> and built this tractor:
>>
>> http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg
>>
>> He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time
>> he
>> hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the
>> engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits
>> another
>> bump.
>>
>> He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what
>> was
>> happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions,
>> if
>> any, you might have.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

>



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 15 07:37:15 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:37:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Last word we have from Sheila is Bob is awake and responding well. 
The breathing tube has been removed and he's FLIRTING with the nurses while 
changing his dressings. GRINNNNNNNN  Yah Hoooo . He is not talking much yet 
but we are expecting more today.
  I know this may seem optimistic but maybe with a few days to recoup we 
can get him to come to Portland to just rest and relax.
  The Family Thanks you all greatly for your thought and prayers.

                                                   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 15 07:46:53 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:46:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Last word we have from Sheila is Bob is awake and responding well. 
The breathing tube has been removed and he's FLIRTING with the nurses while 
changing his dressings. GRINNNNNNNN  Yah Hoooo . He is not talking much yet 
but we are expecting more today.
  I know this may seem optimistic but maybe with a few days to recoup we 
can get him to come to Portland to just rest and relax.
  The Family Thanks you all greatly for your thought and prayers.

                                                   Mark




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Aug 16 00:24:15 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:24:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6bff3$deacc2e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F30C0E5B5D2F8622D6C6290E74C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Paul, Please make sure to get a check up>

XOXOX
Peg


>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:49:14 -0500
>
>Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be that 
>God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all 
>understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had raised a 
>loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be 
>reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.
>
>God Bless and Keep You Peg,
>
>Paul
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" 
><old_iron at msn.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
>Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>
>
>>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the 
>>most curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my 
>>Mother after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
>>
>>After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his bones, 
>>the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your PSA 
>>checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
>>
>>We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need 
>>it.
>>
>>See some of you Thursday.
>>
>>Peg Pfeiffer
>>
>>
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Aug 16 00:26:49 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:26:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <3852.165.206.180.139.1155643296.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F17625232469B6C67D96811E74C0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the kind thoughts and prayers, PLEASE go get tested.

XOXOX
Peg


>From: bill at antique-engines.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Ouch - dunno why I didn't get the first/original post from Peg, but here's
>my belated response -
>I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. It made me think of my own parents,
>their age and health, etc. I may need to make some changes.........
>And thanks for the heads-up. Maybe you have caused just one person to go
>get checked and perhaps avoid what can be avoided.
>Prayers are with you.
>My wife's departed Aunt Julie had a saying as she was dying from ovarian
>cancer "that darned ol' cancer". My words would be a bit stronger........
>If he was as nice as you are,  ;-)  the world lost another good one.
>
>Bill
>
> > Peg, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your Dad. My prayer will be 
>that
> > God will grant you and your family the peace that surpasses all
> > understanding. Your father departed this World knowing that he had 
>raised
> > a
> > loving and caring daughter and knowing that someday both of you will be
> > reunited again where there is no pain, sorrow, or suffering.
> >
> > God Bless and Keep You Peg,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:24 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
> >
> >
> >>I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the
> >> most
> >>curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my 
>Mother
> >>after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
> >>
> >> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his
> >> bones,
> >> the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get your
> >> PSA
> >> checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
> >>
> >> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need
> >> it.
> >>
> >> See some of you Thursday.
> >>
> >> Peg Pfeiffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Aug 16 00:29:42 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:29:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F280A100C5EC26D19804C47E74C0@phx.gbl>

Glad to hear he is on the mend, I remeber when Dr John took a tumble from 
his bike, not a pretty thought.

Please pass on our thoughts and let Shelia know we are praying for a speedy 
and full recovery.

XOXOXO
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital Date: 
>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:37:15 -0400
>
>Hi All, Last word we have from Sheila is Bob is awake and responding well. 
>The breathing tube has been removed and he's FLIRTING with the nurses while 
>changing his dressings. GRINNNNNNNN  Yah Hoooo . He is not talking much yet 
>but we are expecting more today.
>  I know this may seem optimistic but maybe with a few days to recoup we 
>can get him to come to Portland to just rest and relax.
>  The Family Thanks you all greatly for your thought and prayers.
>
>                                                   Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Aug 16 06:25:56 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:25:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F280A100C5EC26D19804C47E74C0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060815103606.02f56440@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<BAY113-F280A100C5EC26D19804C47E74C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060816090451.02f5dc00@pop3.wcoil.com>

The latest from Sheila is Bob is more aware but is still not speaking much. 
Hes getting frustrated with all the tubes and hoses and such so they are 
having to restrain or resedate him to keep him from removing stuff. They 
took another Cat scan of his knoggin yesterday to keep an eye on things up 
side. They had to sedate him to keep him still. So far due to the sedatives 
and pain medication the extent of any head trauma is still not known. He's 
road rash from head to toe so dressing everywhere.
He will not be getting to Portland unless something miraculous happens. At 
this time they are projecting his release from the hospital to be on or 
about the 21st. but this is totally subjective to many variables.
   Keep the well wishes and prayers coming.  His direct emaill address is 
"Bob & Sheila Bolhuis" <bolhuis at amtelecom.net>
                                            TTYL,    Mark




From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 16 08:03:34 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:03:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book,Antique Fire Equipment
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <006901c6c145$37a3e570$a28ff504@Ed>

Hi Jerry,

My friend has a very old transporter for fire hose and needs to find a new 
home for it. I am not sure if it is horse drawn or pulled by men. I have a 
bunch of questions about it, would like to know its manufacture and date and 
how much it is worth. If anybody could help, we would appreciate it. I have 
some initial pictures I can send off list, but suspect I have it up side 
down.We can take better pictures when we know which side up.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book


> Hi Bob,
>         I posted to this list about 10 days ago that this book was 
> available so maybe you responded to that.
>         If David did not answer your mail then there can be only one 
> reason - he never got it! Maybe you made the same mistake I once made - 
> his address is: <enginbooks at aol.com> as mentioned by Peter Scales "there 
> is no "e" between engin and books".
>         He usually answers his mail within hours - no matter how involved 
> your query might be (and, by the way it is answered by him personally - no 
> secretaries , no auto response, no nonsense).
>         He does exist and is alive and well - I've had correspondence with 
> him today. You could not wish to deal with a better person - his integrity 
> and service is without equal and his books are excellent.
>         Please do yourself a favour and get his books - either from him 
> direct or from Paul Evans (Internal Fire Museum also needs funds and I'm 
> sure David will not begrudge the museum it's bit of profit).
>
> That's all from me tonight!
> Keep well,
> Jerry Evans
> (South Africa)
>
>
> At 06:00 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:15 -0700
>>From: Bob W7AVK <rsrolfne at atnet.net>
>>Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Message-ID: <44BE63F3.7090103 at atnet.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Good Morning - Recently I learned of a new book by David Edgingtion
>>called THE LISTER CS STORY.  The instructions at the web site
>>http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/ say to email him to request the
>>total costs and place an order.  I sent an mail several days ago
>>requesting cost, if he took paypal, etc.   I've not received an answer.
>>
>>Couple questions from a new list member and novice to the hobby on the
>>west coast of the USA.  Is there a USA source for the Stationary Engine
>>Books?  Does David Edgingtion exist and how is he about returning his
>>mail?  Hope he is in good health.  How is the LISTER CS book?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Bob R.
>>Mose Lake, WA. USA
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 16 08:13:42 2006
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:13:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <006c01c6c146$902ede60$a28ff504@Ed>

I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL 
tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone 
could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified 
place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is an 
optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done 
already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my pick 
up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just trying 
to do a little something for the group.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ 



From jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu  Wed Aug 16 09:52:32 2006
From: jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Jack Green)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:52:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for Rock Crusher
Message-ID: <44E34D50.9090300@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>

Rick,
There was a rock crusher for sale in the classifieds in the  May/June 
issue of Antique Power magazine. It was advertised as handling up to 9" 
rocks, I think.  I don't have it here at work but if you contact me, I 
can send you the phone number.
Jack


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Aug 16 10:01:08 2006
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:01:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
Message-ID: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>

I think it is a good idea Ed.               George F. Armstrong
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show


>I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL
>tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone
>could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified
>place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is
an
>optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done
>already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my pick
>up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just trying
>to do a little something for the group.
>
>Ed Stoller
>New Fairfield, CT
>http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
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From billbrox at online.no  Wed Aug 16 13:38:13 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:38:13 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>
Message-ID: <000801c6c173$e9317450$0100000a@tea20>

Hello, my name is Bill and I am new here.

I wonder if anyone have heard about Oil of Wintergreen and the possibility
to use it for loosening rusted bolts and nuts. I live in Norway, and I have
never heard about this oil, so I have searched the net and found that it was
used by Indians to cure headaches and such things ?   So, now I also wonder
if someone just pulled my leg, as a rusted bolt can cause a headache too...
:-)


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no







From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Aug 16 13:56:57 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:56:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000801c6c173$e9317450$0100000a@tea20>
References: <000801c6c173$e9317450$0100000a@tea20>
Message-ID: <8c8a2c41eb16718b84e0f6267a59c353@chartertn.net>

No, it's been reported to be a great penetrating lube. Methyl 
salicylate's the chemical name for it.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bill and I am new here.
>
> I wonder if anyone have heard about Oil of Wintergreen and the 
> possibility
> to use it for loosening rusted bolts and nuts. I live in Norway, and I 
> have
> never heard about this oil, so I have searched the net and found that 
> it was
> used by Indians to cure headaches and such things ?   So, now I also 
> wonder
> if someone just pulled my leg, as a rusted bolt can cause a headache 
> too...
> :-)
>
>
> Bill Brox
>
> billbrox at online.no


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From billbrox at online.no  Wed Aug 16 14:21:36 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:21:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <8c8a2c41eb16718b84e0f6267a59c353@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000901c6c179$fda5c160$0100000a@tea20>

Thanks, but where is the natural place to look for it, the pharmacy ?


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: 16. august 2006 22:57
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen

No, it's been reported to be a great penetrating lube. Methyl 
salicylate's the chemical name for it.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Hello, my name is Bill and I am new here.
>
> I wonder if anyone have heard about Oil of Wintergreen and the 
> possibility
> to use it for loosening rusted bolts and nuts. I live in Norway, and I 
> have
> never heard about this oil, so I have searched the net and found that 
> it was
> used by Indians to cure headaches and such things ?   So, now I also 
> wonder
> if someone just pulled my leg, as a rusted bolt can cause a headache 
> too...
> :-)
>
>
> Bill Brox
>
> billbrox at online.no


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 16 18:58:27 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:58:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Notify Homeland Security - Aussie on the Loose
Message-ID: <1155779907.44e3cd4368683@webmail.city-net.com>

Hiya Folks,

Well we're all packed and ready to roll to Baraboo / Portland in the morning.
We've had reports that the CIA wants to have words with our favorite Aussie,
Reg.  My feeling is that they're gonna have to catch him first!!

See ya all at Baraboo / Portland.  I can feel the Aura of Happiness building
now.  8-)))))

Arnie & Reg




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Aug 16 19:57:53 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:57:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000901c6c179$fda5c160$0100000a@tea20>
References: <000901c6c179$fda5c160$0100000a@tea20>
Message-ID: <dd4651c179dc91ea6566cf08d6eff47a@chartertn.net>

They should have it. MIght be in the spice section of a food store, as 
well.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Thanks, but where is the natural place to look for it, the pharmacy ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Aug 16 16:38:20 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:38:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
In-Reply-To: <006c01c6c146$902ede60$a28ff504@Ed>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<006c01c6c146$902ede60$a28ff504@Ed>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060816193558.01afd570@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:13 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:
>I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL 
>tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone 
>could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified 
>place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is 
>an optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done 
>already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my 
>pick up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just 
>trying to do a little something for the group.
>
>Ed Stoller

GREAT idea Ed! Don't know why someone had not thought of it before! I will 
get to Portland on Sunday in the afternoon. I'll have the SEL Canopy and 
banners with me. See you there!
         Dave 



From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Aug 16 20:10:52 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:10:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
	Hospital
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060816230924.02ebbe10@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  Just to let you all know so those that want can participate we are doing 
a donation-fund raiser at Portland to help Sheila defray some of the added 
expenses due to Bobs accident. As most of you know Canada has the universal 
medical coverage but this does not help out on fuel costs and lost pay. He 
has coverage for loss of pay but Bob is the type that worked 60-80 hours a 
week. And we believe that the pay only goes up to 40 hrs a week. This fund 
raiser is intended to give a few extra dollars to help defray the costs of 
a 45 minute one way drive each day to the hospital and such. So stop in at 
my vending spot in Row H at Portland or  the spot of Phil Devries in row M 
and drop some pocket change in the jar and sign the get well cards we will 
have there. We are also accepting baked goods for a bake sale as well. Or 
anything to sell, garden veggies whatever ya got to spare!!
  If you can't make it to Portland and you want to help out you can mail a 
check made out to Sheila Bolhuis to my address to be added to the fund.
So if you can dig deep and lend a hand.
  My address is below.

                                        Thank You,    Mark
Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Aug 17 02:22:54 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:22:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060817112024.00ae6080@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         I got an eMail from a guy in England asking to identify an engine 
/ lighting plant. Could anyone help please.
I've put pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery/index.htm>

Thanks for looking

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  


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From paul at semidiesel.com  Wed Aug 16 10:01:29 2006
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:01:29 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Recent Lister CS Book
In-Reply-To: <006901c6c145$37a3e570$a28ff504@Ed>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060720195952.00a9dc68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<006901c6c145$37a3e570$a28ff504@Ed>
Message-ID: <44E34F69.5040103@semidiesel.com>

David may be slow to answer, his local exchange is down and he has no 
Broadband - estimate was 2 to 3 days.

Cheers
Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



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From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 17 07:46:41 2006
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:46:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help
References: <001301c6bf52$2f247620$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <000c01c6c20b$f69ef840$37a09b18@jake>

Hello Paul:  Have not had a reply from you. Please advise.

Arthur buchanan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Maytay Engine - Need Help


Folks a friend of mine purchased a set of the Maytag Tractor Plans from me 
and built this tractor:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/maytagtractor254.jpg

He has run it in several parades and said it does great EXCEPT each time he 
hits a pothole, or a good bump, such as going over a railroad track, the 
engine dies. He can easily restart it and it runs fine until he hits another 
bump.

He wanted me to ask the gang on the SEL if they had any ideas of what was 
happening (probably associated with the ball seat) and what solutions, if 
any, you might have.

Thanks for the help.

Paul
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 12:15:02 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:15:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Manitoba Electrical Museum and Lister Start-O-Matic
Message-ID: <6f6025160608171215w1a87586fl63ce63b8650ebc79@mail.gmail.com>

We have been in contact with Ron Kirby at the museum, they have been
offered an incomplete  Lister Start-O-Matic generator set and are
unsure as to its repairability.

It has been out in the weather and the control boxes are missing, but
Ron would really like an engine guy to have a look and help with the
decision.

Does anyone on the Lists live close enough to pop and see Ron?

The Museum website is at:

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/about_us/electrical_museum.shtml

I will pass on any contact info if required.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Aug 17 13:24:54 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:24:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine/ No answers!!
Message-ID: <200608172230437.SM00536@new.databak.co.za>

Hi the list,
         12 hours after posting and not a single reply yet !! You can't ALL 
be packing for Portland <grin>.
         I got a bit more info on the engine and have added it to the page.
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery.htm>

Thanks
Jerry

Hi All,
         I got an eMail from a guy in England asking to identify an engine 
/ lighting plant. Could anyone help please.
I've put pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery/index.htm>

Thanks for looking


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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Aug 17 13:55:22 2006
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:55:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine/ No answers!!
References: <200608172230437.SM00536@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <008601c6c23f$75f07960$3ac10b52@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine/ No answers!!


> Hi the list,
>         12 hours after posting and not a single reply yet !! You can't ALL 
> be packing for Portland <grin>.
>         I got a bit more info on the engine and have added it to the page.
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery.htm>
> 
> Thanks
> Jerry
> 
> Hi All,
>         I got an eMail from a guy in England asking to identify an engine 
> / lighting plant. Could anyone help please.
> I've put pics here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/mystery/index.htm>
> Thanks for looking

Hi Jerry, this has been posted a couple of times before without any answers.
The engine was for sale at the 1000 engine rally and no-one there could identify it.
I post a previous reply below.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> These engine pictures were sent to me the other day and I just
> got around to putting them up.  Any help will be appreciated.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/tony/
> Thanks and take care.
> Ken Christison

Hi Ken, I saw the engine for sale at the Astle Park rally.
It was much discussed but nobody knew the manufacturer.
I thought it looked a little like a Glasgow but others said it wasn't.
The picture of the engine on sale is below.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/551708179/2654545010028520097bGYhWp#

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Aug 17 23:25:10 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:25:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello,
  As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix of 
good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going on and 
is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY serious 
condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still ongoing. They 
are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And trying to decide what to 
do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a more extended stay in the 
hospital than we had hoped. It may be several Months before he is out. They 
are planning a move for Bob to a Brain Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he 
can be moved from Victoria Hospital. But this may not be for a while. The 
liver and spleen damage seems to be taking good care of itself.
  Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep them 
coming, Please.
And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is letting on 
so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can take donations by 
Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
  Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a 
donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine area 
too? Let me know.

                                        Sincerely,  Mark
Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Aug 18 01:20:47 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:20:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000901c6c29f$37941cc0$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Mark,

I recently acquired the personal collection of Ralph Waters Maytag Engines
which I will be bringing to Portland to dispose of. If I can sell one of 
them
"suckers" I will donate the profit to the fund raiser for Shelia.. In fact 
if
a certain "Matag Fan" whose intials are D.R. buys two of them I will donate
the profits from those two. If you took one of them down to your space you
would probably sell it for more then I would because I just want to
move them. I will be set up on Ave Q arriving Tuesday P.M. I
would like to make this donation in memory of  Bernie Hartmann, Ralph
Waters and Arnie Hartman. Three great engine guys who have left us.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine  (12 miles from Turner, ME where the "Muted Creature"
                     was found).

Cell Phone No. 207-462-1708





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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Aug 18 04:07:43 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:07:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1314C85D320C1B1F198255BB420@phx.gbl>

Mark..Paypal says that Frappi @ wcoil.com (remove spaces) is unable to 
accept money.

Please advise

RickinMt.
















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:25 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital


> Hello,
>   As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix of
> good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going on and
> is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY serious
> condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still ongoing. They
> are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And trying to decide what 
> to
> do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a more extended stay in the
> hospital than we had hoped. It may be several Months before he is out. 
> They
> are planning a move for Bob to a Brain Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he
> can be moved from Victoria Hospital. But this may not be for a while. The
> liver and spleen damage seems to be taking good care of itself.
>   Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep them
> coming, Please.
> And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is letting on
> so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can take donations 
> by
> Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
>   Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a
> donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine area
> too? Let me know.
>
>                                         Sincerely,  Mark
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Home #419.358.5206
> Verizon Cell
> #419.516.2996 Mark
> #330.475.4450 Christine
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Fri Aug 18 04:35:17 2006
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:35:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
 Hospital
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>

Hi Mark,

I'm from down south (Houston,TX) and don't know Bob but have been 
following the updates and praying for him and his wife. I can't make 
Portland and don't do Paypal but will be glad to send a check to the 
address in this email if that is ok.

Tom

I'll be glad to send a checkOn Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:25:10 -0400
  Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>  As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix 
>of 
> good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going 
>on and is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY 
>serious condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still 
>ongoing. They are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And 
>trying to decide what to do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a 
>more extended stay in the hospital than we had hoped. It may be 
>several Months before he is out. They are planning a move for Bob to 
>a Brain Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he can be moved from Victoria 
>Hospital. But this may not be for a while. The liver and spleen 
>damage seems to be taking good care of itself.
>  Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep 
>them 
> coming, Please.
> And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is 
>letting on so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can 
>take donations by Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
>  Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a 
> donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine 
>area too? Let me know.
> 
>                                        Sincerely,  Mark
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
> 
> Home #419.358.5206
> Verizon Cell
> #419.516.2996 Mark
> #330.475.4450 Christine 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Aug 18 07:21:56 2006
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:21:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] "Border Bob" Fund Raiser Attn: Mark
Message-ID: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Mark,

I recently acquired Ralph Water's personal collection of Maytag Engines which I will be bringing to Portland to sell. If I can sell
one of those"suckers" I will donate the profit to the fund raiser for Shelia. In fact if a certain "Maytag Fan" whose initials are D.R
buys two of them I will donate the profits from those two. If you took
one to your space you would sell it for more profit than me. I just
want to move them. I will be set up on Ave. Q arriving Tuesday P.M.
I would like to make this donation in the memory of Bernie Hartmann,Ralph Waters, Arnie Hartman and John Hamink . Great
engine men who have left us.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine  (12 miles from Turner, Maine where the
                     "Muted Creature was found).

From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 06:47:46 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:47:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Dave Croft
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818094530.02e65620@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Dave, I sent an email to dave.croft at ntlworld  but I believe there should 
be a    .uk or something at the end of that?   Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 06:52:03 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:52:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
  Hospital
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1314C85D320C1B1F198255BB420@phx.gbl>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<BAY109-DAV1314C85D320C1B1F198255BB420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818094836.02ec18e0@pop3.wcoil.com>

The pay pal account to send to is bbblues11 at hotmail.com  user gaelicwood
We are setting up a new bank account today to handle the funds till we pass 
it on to Bob and Sheila.            Thank You,   Mark


At 07:07 AM 8/18/06, you wrote:
>Mark..Paypal says that Frappi @ wcoil.com (remove spaces) is unable to
>accept money.
>
>Please advise
>
>RickinMt.

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 06:58:03 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:58:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] "Border Bob" Fund Raiser Attn: Mark
In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818095515.02ed2eb0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello Charlie,
  Bring it on, we will set it out and put a price on it and see what happens.
I'll be in row H so I'll be looking for you.
                                   Thank You, Mark


At 10:21 AM 8/18/06, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>I recently acquired Ralph Water's personal collection of Maytag Engines 
>which I will be bringing to Portland to sell. If I can sell
>one of those"suckers" I will donate the profit to the fund raiser for 
>Shelia. In fact if a certain "Maytag Fan" whose initials are D.R
>buys two of them I will donate the profits from those two. If you took
>one to your space you would sell it for more profit than me. I just
>want to move them. I will be set up on Ave. Q arriving Tuesday P.M.
>I would like to make this donation in the memory of Bernie Hartmann,Ralph 
>Waters, Arnie Hartman and John Hamink . Great
>engine men who have left us.
>
>Charlie Bryant
>Jay, Maine  (12 miles from Turner, Maine where the
>                      "Muted Creature was found).
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 07:03:48 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:03:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in
  Hospital
In-Reply-To: <web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818095249.02ec4430@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hello Tom, Yes the address listed below will get the check to us.
Thank you for your generosity.        Mark

At 07:35 AM 8/18/06, you wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>
>I'm from down south (Houston,TX) and don't know Bob but have been 
>following the updates and praying for him and his wife. I can't make 
>Portland and don't do Paypal but will be glad to send a check to the 
>address in this email if that is ok.
>
>Tom
>
>I'll be glad to send a checkOn Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:25:10 -0400
>  Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>>Hello,
>>  As promised, I'm keeping everyone updated. The news today is a mix of 
>> good and not so good. Bob is a little bit more aware or whats going on 
>> and is a bit more communicative, but still confused. He is in VERY 
>> serious condition. He's still bleeding in the brain, slow but still 
>> ongoing. They are doing daily CT scans keeping an eye on it. And trying 
>> to decide what to do if anything. Looks like Bob is in for a more 
>> extended stay in the hospital than we had hoped. It may be several 
>> Months before he is out. They are planning a move for Bob to a Brain 
>> Trauma-Rehab center as soon as he can be moved from Victoria Hospital. 
>> But this may not be for a while. The liver and spleen damage seems to be 
>> taking good care of itself.
>>  Bob & Sheila and the Boys needs those prayers more then ever. Keep them 
>> coming, Please.
>>And the need for the fund raiser is more then I think Sheila is letting 
>>on so if you can dig deep guys and gals please do so. We can take 
>>donations by Pay Pal  if that would help you. Let me know.
>>  Otherwise the donation jars will be out at Portland. Can we get a 
>> donation Jar set up at the Stationary engine list site in the engine 
>> area too? Let me know.
>>                                        Sincerely,  Mark
>>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>>454 Co. Rd. 33
>>Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>Home #419.358.5206
>>Verizon Cell
>>#419.516.2996 Mark
>>#330.475.4450 Christine
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 07:24:08 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:24:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] "Border Bob" Fund Raiser/Dave Croft
In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000c01c6c2d1$aa28ecc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818101502.02ed0e20@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  How many of you remember the accident that Dave Croft had a few years 
back? He had severe head injuries from getting driven over by a auto and 
was unconscious for several weeks. The engine group got together then and 
raised funds and sent them on to him the same as we are planning to do for 
Bob now. Well...... Dave has a sum of money left over that he kept seperate 
and he has decided that remainding amount should now go on to Bob.

                                             Thank You,   Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Aug 18 09:51:51 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:51:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <410-220068013192015828@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220068013192015828@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44E5F027.3080706@insulate.co.uk>

Here you go, Tim - and anyone else interested!
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/croxton/croxton.htm

Dolly

Tim Christoff wrote:

>Can't wait.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  
>
>>This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
>>no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
>>to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
>>wood, digging holes etc.
>>Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
>>its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
>>get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
>>cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
>>twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see it 
>>in action.
>>I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
>>soon as possible!
>>
>>    
>>


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 18 11:10:57 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:10:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E5F027.3080706@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F387B2F7BF32981E5837DCAC8420@phx.gbl>

Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is linked to 
#10 instead of #11.

=================

>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>
>Here you go, Tim - and anyone else interested!
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/croxton/croxton.htm
>
>Dolly
>
>
>--
>Jim French
>fbi at insulate.co.uk
>http://www.insulate.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Aug 18 11:34:23 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:34:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F387B2F7BF32981E5837DCAC8420@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F387B2F7BF32981E5837DCAC8420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Luke

Thanks - and for the correction!  I've fixed the bad link, but I can't 
find the other problem.  Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some 
REALLY wierd stuff sometimes when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I 
was testing that correction, I had a pretty picture of a waterfall come 
up, hit reload and got my picture.  Recently, I kept getting someone 
elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) popping up, and sometimes it 
took several reloads to get the right page to show.

Dolly

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!
>
> P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is 
> linked to #10 instead of #11.
>
> =================



-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Aug 18 12:09:46 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:09:46 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <015501c6c2f9$df447a50$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Jim

I saw some strange stuff earlier on as well.  I wonder if it is
load-related?  Whatever, retrying (later, sometimes) seems to fix a lot of
it.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim French
> Sent: 18 August 2006 19:34
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
> 
> Hi Luke
> 
> Thanks - and for the correction!  I've fixed the bad link, 
> but I can't 
> find the other problem.  Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some 
> REALLY wierd stuff sometimes when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I 
> was testing that correction, I had a pretty picture of a 
> waterfall come 
> up, hit reload and got my picture.  Recently, I kept getting someone 
> elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) popping up, and 
> sometimes it 
> took several reloads to get the right page to show.
> 
> Dolly
> 
> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> 
> > Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!
> >
> > P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is 
> > linked to #10 instead of #11.
> >
> > =================
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Fri Aug 18 12:10:16 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:10:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <015601c6c2f9$f0a94c30$8335c53e@doc>

PS - loved the pictures!


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim French
> Sent: 18 August 2006 19:34
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
> 
> Hi Luke
> 
> Thanks - and for the correction!  I've fixed the bad link, 
> but I can't 
> find the other problem.  Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some 
> REALLY wierd stuff sometimes when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I 
> was testing that correction, I had a pretty picture of a 
> waterfall come 
> up, hit reload and got my picture.  Recently, I kept getting someone 
> elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) popping up, and 
> sometimes it 
> took several reloads to get the right page to show.
> 
> Dolly
> 
> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> 
> > Very nice job Helen. I enjoyed the pics. Loved the videos!!
> >
> > P.S. Pic #29 is the same as #4, there is a bad link on #11 - it is 
> > linked to #10 instead of #11.
> >
> > =================
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 18 17:31:14 2006
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:31:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
In-Reply-To: <44E6082F.9030000@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F29EE38AB62A549F801D865C8430@phx.gbl>

I thought the strange pages and weird pictures loading was just me or my 
computer. Appears it is something to do with the server? I know Jim is away 
at Buckley right now.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=================

>From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
>
>Hi Luke
>
>Maybe it's oldengine, because it does some REALLY wierd stuff sometimes 
>when I'm testing pages.  Just now when I was testing that correction, I had 
>a pretty picture of a waterfall come up, hit reload and got my picture.  
>Recently, I kept getting someone elses pages (with TOTALLY different URLs) 
>popping up, and sometimes it took several reloads to get the right page to 
>show.
>
>Dolly
>




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 18 18:27:23 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:27:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
Message-ID: <410-2200686191272346@earthlink.net>

Nifty.  Thanks Dolly.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/18/2006 11:51:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cable Ploughing
>
> Here you go, Tim - and anyone else interested!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/croxton/croxton.htm
>
> Dolly
>
> Tim Christoff wrote:
>
> >Can't wait.
> >
> >Tim Christoff
> >Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This weekend was a local "working weekend" - when the toys come out and 
> >>no-one bothers too much whether there are any paying entrants who come 
> >>to watch, because they're all too busy having fun ploughing, cutting 
> >>wood, digging holes etc.
> >>Jim and Andy went, Andy taking his International 275 he's restored for 
> >>its first time out ploughing and Jim took his Ransomes MG5 crawler to 
> >>get used to its controls.  The star of the show was a steam powered 
> >>cable ploughing outfit, so today, although it was raining so hard the 
> >>twins hadn't taken their toys out to play, Jim and I went back to see
it 
> >>in action.
> >>I took lots of pictures and video clips, so I'll get a webpage done as 
> >>soon as possible!
> >>
> >>    
> >>
>
>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006




From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Aug 18 18:41:10 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:41:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT UPDATE: Engine Man "Border Bob" Bolhuis in Hospital
In-Reply-To: <web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818022451.02ebb140@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<web-289998167@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060818213132.02ec9100@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All,
  Today Bob was allowed to sit in a chair for a half hour and take a few 
steps. No other news.

Make donation checks out to Bob & Sheila Bolhuis  and mail to the address 
at the bottom of this note.

We have set up a savings account at The Citizens National Bank in Bluffton 
Ohio in Bob and Sheilas name with myself as the administrator for deposit 
purposes. So checks can be made out directly to them and ownersip of the 
money never in question. And deposits from cash donations can be made 
directly to this account. And this will also allow for donations directly 
thru Pay Pal. This should be ready by Monday. We will keep a complete set 
of books for the donors to review on request.
                                   Thank You, Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 04:07:41 2006
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:07:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] IHC M 3 HP Status
Message-ID: <46e.56c6711.32184afd@aol.com>

Hi List,
The new fuel tank (purchased from Lee Pedersen) is finally  installed in the 
IHC M 3 HP.  It took a several hours to get the fuel fill  pipe, the drain 
line, fuel outlet line and fuel tank mounting  holes to align with the existing 
holes in the base of the  engine.  Needless to say, the fuel tank mounts had to 
shimmed to get the  fuel piping to match the interfacing holes in the base.  
Hooking up the fuel pick up line was another little  challenge.  The fuel 
pick up was fabricated from 3/8" copper tube.  A  brass fitting was attached to 
end of the fuel pick up line so that a fine screen  could be soldered to it.  
At the top of the fuel tank, there is a ?"  soldered pipe flange.  The 3/8" 
fuel outlet line was silver solder to a ?"  reducing bushing  and then inserted 
into the tank.  Just outside of  the engine base, this fuel line was fitted 
with a 3/8" to ?" compression fitting  so it could match the size of the fitting 
on the inlet of the fuel pump.  
A used fuel pump was obtained from Skip Landis.   The fuel  pump outlet check 
valve came without the "B" nut.  Of course, a new 3/8"  nut was too big in 
diameter.  The female ?" NPT side of  a   brass fitting  (?" NPT to 3/8") was 
drilled to match the  existing check valve outlet.  This fitting was then 
soldered to the check  valve.
New copper lines are being fabricated to connect the fuel system to  and from 
the fuel pump to the carburetor along an overflow line  back to the fuel tank.
Even though the engine is running using a buzz coil, a reproduction  
understrike ignitor has been ordered from Ted Brookover.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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<DIV><STRONG>Hi List,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>The new fuel tank (purchased from Lee Pedersen)&nbsp;is finally 
installed in the IHC M 3 HP.&nbsp; It took a several hours to get the fuel fill 
pipe, the drain line, fuel outlet line and fuel tank mounting 
holes&nbsp;to&nbsp;align with&nbsp;the existing holes in the base of the 
engine.&nbsp; Needless to say, the fuel tank mounts had to shimmed to get the 
fuel&nbsp;piping to&nbsp;match the interfacing holes in the base.&nbsp; 
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Hooking up the fuel pick up line was another little 
challenge.&nbsp; The fuel pick up was fabricated from 3/8" copper tube.&nbsp; A 
brass fitting was attached to end of the fuel pick up line so that a fine screen 
could be soldered to it.&nbsp; At the top of the fuel tank, there is a ?" 
soldered pipe flange.&nbsp; The 3/8" fuel outlet line was silver solder to a ?" 
reducing bushing&nbsp; and then inserted into the tank.&nbsp; Just outside of 
the engine base, this fuel line was fitted with a 3/8" to ?" compression fitting 
so it could match the size of the fitting on the inlet of the fuel pump.&nbsp; 
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>A used fuel pump was obtained from Skip Landis. &nbsp; The fuel 
pump outlet check valve came without the "B" nut.&nbsp; Of course, a new 3/8" 
nut was too big in diameter.&nbsp;&nbsp;The&nbsp;female ?"&nbsp;NPT side&nbsp;of 
a&nbsp;&nbsp; brass fitting&nbsp; (?" NPT to 3/8")&nbsp;was drilled to match the 
existing check valve outlet.&nbsp; This fitting was then soldered to the check 
valve.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>New copper lines are being fabricated to connect the fuel system to 
and from the fuel pump&nbsp;to the carburetor&nbsp;along&nbsp;an overflow line 
back to the fuel tank.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Even though the engine is running using a buzz coil, a reproduction 
understrike ignitor has been ordered from Ted Brookover. 
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12"><B>Francis 
Maciel<BR>Santa Maria, CA 
93454</B></FONT></DIV></STRONG></DIV></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Aug 19 04:10:07 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:10:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Simplicity on ebay
Message-ID: <002001c6c380$08614360$f1d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

If you like Simplicity engines, take a look at this....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300016242072

John



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 19 04:39:17 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:39:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>
References: <000e01c6c155$926dfb20$04640b42@computer>
Message-ID: <44E6F865.2080704@steamengine.com.au>

Hehehe... Ed! You realise what you've done? You've taken the electronic list to Portland and made a paper based bulletin 
board out of it... oh the incredible irony!

Paul

George & Norma Armstrong wrote:
> I think it is a good idea Ed.               George F. Armstrong
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:20 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Portland Indiana Show
> 
> 
>> I have a small bulletin board and tripod which we could put near the SEL
>> tent at Portland to use as a communication center. The idea is  someone
>> could leave a note to try to contact a club friend, meet at a specified
>> place and time or pass a phone number. A message to the group at large is
> an
>> optiion like a map to the dinner. Is this a doumb idea or is it done
>> already?? It is getting close to departure time so I will put in in my pick
>> up, but we don't need to use it if it is not a good idea. I am just trying
>> to do a little something for the group.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 19 04:43:55 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Lost my Dad yesterday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-F38D7F05A7426C2F557E8E8E74E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44E6F97B.5010603@steamengine.com.au>

Hi Peg & Bill (& list),
Sorry to hear of the loss of your dad - my family's thoughts are with your family at this terrible time. I too lost my 
dad to cancer - his was bowel cancer. Because of it, I undertake the indignity of an internal exam (guess where they go 
in?) every three years. There is no excuse for not doing it - sure the dignity suffers but when you think about the 
consequences...

Regards
Paul

William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
> I lost my Dad yesterday after a 4 year fight with Prostate Cancer (the 
> most curable cancer).  The problem was he was so busy taking care of my 
> Mother after her stroke, he did not get regular checkups.
> 
> After watching him suffer the way he did after it had spread to his 
> bones, the best thing I can say to ALL of you macho men out there is get 
> your PSA checked regulary and also get the physical exam.
> 
> We are going on vacation to Baraboo and Portland because I am gona need it.
> 
> See some of you Thursday.
> 
> Peg Pfeiffer
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug 19 05:46:27 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:46:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Simplicity on ebay
In-Reply-To: <002001c6c380$08614360$f1d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <002001c6c380$08614360$f1d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <44E70823.30807@scrtc.com>

Wow John, that is NEAT!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> If you like Simplicity engines, take a look at this....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300016242072
>
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Aug 19 05:59:44 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:59:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 7 hp Economy
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11132B0C88A1C1219A3317BB430@phx.gbl>

  Went and eyeballed a friends 7hp yesterday.  Something I've never seen 
before were 2 "V-Belt" grooves in the "Off" side flywheel...belt pulley was 
on the "On" side.  Also new to me was a crankguard which may have been an 
add-on.

  Has a Webster..after recharging the magnets according to Ted's 
instructions..still no spark...no voltage out of the Webster itself.  Will 
look for a reversed armature today.

  Can't fathom what the v-belts might have been used for...

  Regards,
RickinMt. 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Aug 19 12:52:51 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:52:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 7 hp Economy
Message-ID: <c00.1f2745b.3218c613@aol.com>

Rick,

 My 1925 7hp Economy came with a Wico PR but I have had numerous problems 
over the years keeping it running on the PR.  Ted Rebuilt it twice and I have 
fooled with some it too. It gave me a fit a couple of months ago and have 
switched back to an EK now and running fine.  They are great running engines.  Check 
it out, near bottom of engine page, sitting on trailer.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Index.htm

I am sure the V grooves were cut by some previous owner, and the crank guard 
I am not sure of either. Just now a quick look at Glenn's Hercules book notes: 
 "By the early 1920's, sheet metal crankcase enclosures were available for 
all size engines up to 7hp."  Maybe they were extra and therefore not many 
ordered due to additional cost and OSHA was not around!

Taking mine in a few minutes to the car crusie-in at the local mall for a fun 
evening.  All these beautiful cars with $10,000 paint jobs sitting there 
doing nothing, and my piece of junk is the only thing there running!!!  Millie has 
to drag me to the truck way after dark as all these folks standing around 
asking what is it, how does it run, what does it do, etc?????

This evening has to almost on the same entertainment plateau as being at 
Portland!  HA!  

Life is good!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug 19 14:13:40 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:13:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Bound.....Soon
Message-ID: <44E77F04.3050803@scrtc.com>

I hope everyone has a safe trip to Portland.  I'll get there on Wed. 
morning and will be bringing a 3 HP Hagan engine on trucks.  If someone 
could camp out for me  the space where I've set up the last several 
years, I'd appreciate it.  I'll set my canopy up behind the tree, 
between it and the blacktop.  I'll have extra chairs and plenty of water 
and drinks for those who need it.  The weather looks pretty good (for 
Portland), 80 to 85 degrees each day and a 20 % chance of rain each day 
until the weekend when it increases.  Not Bad!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Aug 19 18:58:06 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:58:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Peter Murray's Contact Info
Message-ID: <44E7C1AE.30003@scrtc.com>

Does anyone have an email address for Peter Murray from Australia?  If 
not an email address, maybe a phone number?  Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sat Aug 19 23:26:12 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:26:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Address for Marv Hedberg
Message-ID: <44E80084.5010008@insulate.co.uk>

Hi

Does anyone have an email address for Marv Hedberg?  He sent me a mail, 
and my anti-spam software dumped it before I could read it!
Thanks,

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 23:51:39 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:51:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Address for Marv Hedberg
In-Reply-To: <44E80084.5010008@insulate.co.uk>
References: <44E80084.5010008@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608192351x36ba10c9i6c0e5594f35a9786@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/08/06, Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone have an email address for Marv Hedberg?  He sent me a mail,
> and my anti-spam software dumped it before I could read it!
> Thanks,
>
> Dolly
>

marvhed at ecenet.com

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug 20 01:32:19 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:32:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Address for Marv Hedberg
In-Reply-To: <C10D573B.2544%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
References: <C10D573B.2544%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <44E81E13.8030506@insulate.co.uk>

Thanks for the replies - I'll try both!

Dolly

Rob Skinner wrote:

>Who takes care of ya, baby?  It's marv at toolingunlimited.com
>
>Just sitting  here reading a 1920's machine tool book while waiting for a
>video to render.  The bottle of wine is almost empty, so the new video will
>probably have to wait until morning.
>
>Rob  
>
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=
>Rob Skinner
>La Habra, California
>http://www.rustyiron.com
>iChat: rob_skinner at mac.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Aug 20 05:00:41 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:00:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mecca!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060820075538.0d77c830@mail.alltel.net>

I'm off to Portland! I should arrive about 2:00 this afternoon. I've talked 
to Ellen and there is room for additional List members (and friends) at the 
annual ATIS dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday at 6:00. Let me know at 
the show if you wish to join us!
	Dave



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug 20 05:22:02 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:22:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 7 hp Economy
References: <c00.1f2745b.3218c613@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV105DF0CAF0B38885097049BB400@phx.gbl>

Thanks Glenn and Tom.  Will try to find PO and maybe get some history on 
this engine for my friend.  One doesn't often see where the flywheels 
"Drive"...so to speak.

  Worked on the Webster yesterday (no spark) and did find a reversed 
armature.  Thot I'd read somewhere when armature is reversed, one will still 
get a weak spark so I dug further.  I now believe the brass cover was 
shorting out the output via the wire terminal under it.  Has nice spark now.

  Tom, we were invited to show at a car show, but Kathy's family reunion 
came on the same weekend.  We have quite a few car shows..so should be fun 
and will go at the next invite.

  Take care guys..thanx again.

RickinMt.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 7 hp Economy


> Rick,
>
>  My 1925 7hp Economy came with a Wico PR but I have had numerous problems
> over the years keeping it running on the PR.  Ted Rebuilt it twice and I 
> have
> fooled with some it too. It gave me a fit a couple of months ago and have
> switched back to an EK now and running fine.  They are great running 
> engines.  Check
> it out, near bottom of engine page, sitting on trailer.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/Index.htm
>
> I am sure the V grooves were cut by some previous owner, and the crank 
> guard
> I am not sure of either. Just now a quick look at Glenn's Hercules book 
> notes:
>  "By the early 1920's, sheet metal crankcase enclosures were available for
> all size engines up to 7hp."  Maybe they were extra and therefore not many
> ordered due to additional cost and OSHA was not around!
>
> Taking mine in a few minutes to the car crusie-in at the local mall for a 
> fun
> evening.  All these beautiful cars with $10,000 paint jobs sitting there
> doing nothing, and my piece of junk is the only thing there running!!! 
> Millie has
> to drag me to the truck way after dark as all these folks standing around
> asking what is it, how does it run, what does it do, etc?????
>
> This evening has to almost on the same entertainment plateau as being at
> Portland!  HA!
>
> Life is good!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug 20 22:42:03 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:42:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

Yes, I?m blaming the tool.  It?s a Harbor Fright 20 ton press.

What can go wrong with a press you ask?  Hmph.  I?ll tell you.

You know those big cast platens that you get with the press?  The ones over
an inch thick?  Do you know the noise it makes when the frame of your press
is stressed out at 20 tons and then the platen breaks, releasing all that
energy and sending shrapnel flying all over the place?

It would probably be pretty cool if you weren?t standing in the middle of
it.  If you are, it ain?t cool.  Pictures of the bits at
http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html

It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
anything serious, back it up with some real metal.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner








From billbrox at online.no  Mon Aug 21 00:02:26 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:02:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <dd4651c179dc91ea6566cf08d6eff47a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000001c6c4ef$c61dd6f0$0100000a@tea20>

Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I sell my
house....   Very expensive.


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: 17. august 2006 04:58
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen

They should have it. MIght be in the spice section of a food store, as 
well.

John

On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Thanks, but where is the natural place to look for it, the pharmacy ?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Mon Aug 21 05:34:08 2006
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:34:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <57f.3c8902a.321b0240@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:


> 
> What can go wrong with a press you ask?  Hmph.  I?ll tell you.

Hi Rob,
Good story, and even better with pictures! Glad you weren't hurt!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10>In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Hi Rob,</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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<BR>
Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, <BR>
Yucca Valley Ca., USA<BR>
KG6TVW, KG6TVV<BR>
<I>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!<BR>
</I>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&amp;a=30951078&amp;pw=</FONT></HTML>


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 06:00:44 2006
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:00:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <57f.3c8902a.321b0240@aol.com>
Message-ID: <019801c6c521$d0a51430$99781941@pengy>

Why the hell would they use cast iron for a member that will be placed in 
tension?  That is just plain stupid.  I would just have someone flame cut a 
piece of heavy plate for the new platen.  I don't know how readily available 
steel is way out west but that is certainly the way to go.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WinkAndGinger at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:


>
> What can go wrong with a press you ask?  Hmph.  I?ll tell you.

Hi Rob,
Good story, and even better with pictures! Glad you weren't hurt!

Wink & Ginger Thornton,
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10>In a message 
dated 8/20/2006 10:46:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com 
writes:<BR>
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story, and even better with <I>pictures</I>! Glad you weren't hurt!<BR>
<BR>
Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, <BR>
Yucca Valley Ca., USA<BR>
KG6TVW, KG6TVV<BR>
<I>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!<BR>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 21 09:51:01 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:51:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <019801c6c521$d0a51430$99781941@pengy>
Message-ID: <C10F3285.258E%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

On 8/21/06 6:00 AM, "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> wrote:
> I don't know how readily available
> steel is way out west but that is certainly the way to go.

Steel?  Is that anything like lugmolium?
Maybe Wink can steal me some.

Thanks for the tip.  I'll start watching for some big chunks of plate.

Rob







From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 21 10:15:38 2006
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:15:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <200608211600.k7LG04Rj014142@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060821191401.00aeae08@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 21/08/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:42:03 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


Hi Rob,
         Look on the bright side - the hydraulics seemed to work O.K. <grin>.!!


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 12:01:54 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:01:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <C10F3285.258E%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
References: <019801c6c521$d0a51430$99781941@pengy>
	<C10F3285.258E%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608211201u1c06edf0tf5a8985bf5c4f242@mail.gmail.com>

On 21/08/06, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip.  I'll start watching for some big chunks of plate.
>
> Rob
>

Sneak round to your local laser/lazer profiler and see what they have
in offcuts. You can pick up some serious weight in metal if it is too
small for their cutting frames, and they would probably do a bit of
work on it while you are there....  Beer Tokens are obligatory!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Aug 21 12:14:38 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:14:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <20060821.153428.1080.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Rob for the "Heads up".

I've used a press at a local shop and I think the platens are made of
solid steel - not cast.

But - at least - you demonstrated that the Harbor Freight Press had
enough tonnage to break something.

On another note.

A little while ago, I bought a 2000 lb winch from Harbor Freight as a
spare.
And - Installed it to be sure it worked.

First, with 50 ft of 3/16 cable on the spool, I was constantly unjambing
cable from between the spool and the housing that holds it.  I felt that
there was too much cable for the small spool and I cut 20 foot of cable
off leaving 30 feet.

Now - While winching my 400 lb. IDEAL up the ramp into my truck (with
single cable) the winch was really
straining and clicked OFF.  Oh DAMN - Over heat.
It came back on - but - This has never happened with my 1500 lb winch.

How do they rate these things ???

2000 lbs - on wheels - down hill ???

From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Aug 21 06:58:51 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:58:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <200608211359.k7LDxBNV048763@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42 PM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


Pictures of the bits at
http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html

It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
anything serious, back it up with some real metal.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner

~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob, thank you for the heads up.  I have the HF 12 ton press, but the
platens are the same as yours.  From now on I'll not trust them.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   






From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 14:23:51 2006
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:23:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <200608211359.k7LDxBNV048763@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <000801c6c568$1948f440$1febb748@mycomputer>

Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better". 
and we buy it....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
>
>
> Pictures of the bits at
> http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html
>
> It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
> anything serious, back it up with some real metal.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> http://www.rustyiron.com
> iChat: rob_skinner
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Rob, thank you for the heads up.  I have the HF 12 ton press, but the
> platens are the same as yours.  From now on I'll not trust them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug 21 16:12:38 2006
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:12:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <200608211359.k7LDxBNV048763@mail-gw.fsr.net>
	<000801c6c568$1948f440$1febb748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01c6c577$4f41a4c0$168531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Name me something that is not made in China........it's called free 
trade,get used to it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


> Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better". 
> and we buy it....
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42 PM
>> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
>> Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
>>
>>
>> Pictures of the bits at
>> http://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.html
>>
>> It?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but for
>> anything serious, back it up with some real metal.
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=
>> Rob Skinner
>> La Habra, California
>> http://www.rustyiron.com
>> iChat: rob_skinner
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Rob, thank you for the heads up.  I have the HF 12 ton press, but the
>> platens are the same as yours.  From now on I'll not trust them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Orrin
>>
>> Orrin Iseminger
>> Colton, Washington, USA
>> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>> So many projects.  So little time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 21 16:17:51 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:17:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <000801c6c568$1948f440$1febb748@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <C10F8D2F.25AC%rskinner@rustyiron.com>


On 8/21/06 2:23 PM, "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better".
> and we buy it....

Here's something to think about and to bring the conversation fully on
topic...

A long time ago on a continent far, far away, there were dudes building
engines.  They were Frenchmen, Germans, Englishmen, and even a few of those
Scotsmen...  The engines that they built were fabulous creations.  They were
complex mechanisms built to a high degree of precision.  Not only were these
engines built for functionality, but they were built with an equal concern
for aesthetics.

Then a few years later, a bunch of uncivilized yahoos across the ocean and
half a world away got the notion that they, too, could build engines.  But
these yahoos only copied the basic concepts of the existing engines.  They
took the basic idea, cheapened it up, eliminated expensive parts, ignored
precision and abandoned aesthetics.  These "engine" builders flooded markets
with their inexpensive machines.  Established builders of "quality" engines
fell by the wayside as consumers snapped up the cheap copies.

Who were the manufacturers of these sloppy imitations?  They called
themselves "Americans."  They were to become the most powerful industrial
force the world has ever known.

So it would appear that the Wal-Mart Concept was alive and well long before
Sam Walton ever started offering goods and discounted prices...

Rob





 


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner









From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Aug 21 16:43:46 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:43:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
References: <C10E95BB.256D%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <11c24f365db01fffc63609e90b5155de@chartertn.net>

> You know those big cast platens that you get with the press?  The ones 
> over
> an inch thick?  Do you know the noise it makes when the frame of your 
> press
> is stressed out at 20 tons and then the platen breaks, releasing all 
> that
> energy and sending shrapnel flying all over the place?

Man! That's kinda like a flywheel kaboom.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Aug 21 16:45:26 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <000001c6c4ef$c61dd6f0$0100000a@tea20>
References: <000001c6c4ef$c61dd6f0$0100000a@tea20>
Message-ID: <f63319a56030d32af9907ddc5482e6c0@chartertn.net>

I'm sure some industrial wholesaler has it cheap by the barrel, but 
you'll have to hunt for it.

BTW, I never said I use this stuff myself. :-)

John

On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Bill Brox wrote:

> Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I 
> sell my
> house....   Very expensive.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Aug 21 17:11:26 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:11:26 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <f63319a56030d32af9907ddc5482e6c0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <036a01c6c57f$826a4980$8335c53e@doc>

I found some in my chemical supplies catalogue at GBP 11.25 for 500 ml, or
about 20 USD a pint.  I see from doing some Googling that it is also called
Betula Oil, and that it can be poisonous, less than a teaspoonful has been
known to cause death in children...


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Culp
> Sent: 22 August 2006 00:45
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
> 
> I'm sure some industrial wholesaler has it cheap by the barrel, but 
> you'll have to hunt for it.
> 
> BTW, I never said I use this stuff myself. :-)
> 
> John
> 
> On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Bill Brox wrote:
> 
> > Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I 
> > sell my
> > house....   Very expensive.
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 17:25:47 2006
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:25:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
References: <C10F8D2F.25AC%rskinner@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6c581$83cfe210$1febb748@mycomputer>

yeah, ya gotta love us yanks..


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools


>
> On 8/21/06 2:23 PM, "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Chinese tools reflect the whole walmart concept of "cheaper is better".
>> and we buy it....
>
> Here's something to think about and to bring the conversation fully on
> topic...
>
> A long time ago on a continent far, far away, there were dudes building
> engines.  They were Frenchmen, Germans, Englishmen, and even a few of 
> those
> Scotsmen...  The engines that they built were fabulous creations.  They 
> were
> complex mechanisms built to a high degree of precision.  Not only were 
> these
> engines built for functionality, but they were built with an equal concern
> for aesthetics.
>
> Then a few years later, a bunch of uncivilized yahoos across the ocean and
> half a world away got the notion that they, too, could build engines.  But
> these yahoos only copied the basic concepts of the existing engines.  They
> took the basic idea, cheapened it up, eliminated expensive parts, ignored
> precision and abandoned aesthetics.  These "engine" builders flooded 
> markets
> with their inexpensive machines.  Established builders of "quality" 
> engines
> fell by the wayside as consumers snapped up the cheap copies.
>
> Who were the manufacturers of these sloppy imitations?  They called
> themselves "Americans."  They were to become the most powerful industrial
> force the world has ever known.
>
> So it would appear that the Wal-Mart Concept was alive and well long 
> before
> Sam Walton ever started offering goods and discounted prices...
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> http://www.rustyiron.com
> iChat: rob_skinner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Aug 21 19:32:58 2006
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:32:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] V-12 jimmy carb question
Message-ID: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

a V12 GMC engine followed us home over the weekend,  minus the 2 carbs,,, 
and from what little info i;ve gotten, most of em used  two 2GC rochester 
carbs,,,after checking around town and not having ANY luck finding one ( 
seems the dirt track guys have gleaned em all up ), i logged onto Ebay and 
found several listings,, i did have one stuck in the back cabinet of the 
shop, but have no idea what it came on,,, the carbs on Ebay are listed as 
"small bore" or "large bore" , so here is my question: does anyone know what 
the bore size is for large or small bore ? if i knew, i could measure the 
one carb i have and then match the one i buy to the same bore diameter,,,,,
i could use a more common carb like a 2 barrel holly or motorcraft, but 
would have to use
flange adapters, as the 2G's have smaller bolt patterns,,, or, a couple of 
propane mixers would really make it simple,,,, but a couple of gasoline 
carbs sitting in the middle of 12 zoomies would sure look neater,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas 




From billbrox at online.no  Tue Aug 22 01:44:51 2006
From: billbrox at online.no (Bill Brox)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:44:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
In-Reply-To: <036a01c6c57f$826a4980$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <000401c6c5c7$3f0a20f0$0100000a@tea20>

Hi,

Well, I have searched here, and I think my conclusion is that it is not
found at a normal price in Norway. I can buy it at a normal price, but then
I have to buy 25 liters....  a plastic can.  US $ 400.00   And who needs 25
liters ?   Then in small quantities, like 500 ml, it cost about US $ 100.00

Seems I have to wait for the spring and ruin the birches around here.


Bill Brox

billbrox at online.no


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scales
Sent: 22. august 2006 02:11
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen

I found some in my chemical supplies catalogue at GBP 11.25 for 500 ml, or
about 20 USD a pint.  I see from doing some Googling that it is also called
Betula Oil, and that it can be poisonous, less than a teaspoonful has been
known to cause death in children...


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Culp
> Sent: 22 August 2006 00:45
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
> 
> I'm sure some industrial wholesaler has it cheap by the barrel, but 
> you'll have to hunt for it.
> 
> BTW, I never said I use this stuff myself. :-)
> 
> John
> 
> On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Bill Brox wrote:
> 
> > Hello John, yes, they did have, but I can not pay for it. Unless I 
> > sell my
> > house....   Very expensive.
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Aug 22 08:15:44 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:15:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Oil of Wintergreen
Message-ID: <20060822.081545.1644.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I haven't been paying close attention to this thread.  I have about 1
oz.. left in a 4 oz. bottle that someone can have for postage costs. 
Contact me off list.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:44:51 +0200 "Bill Brox" <billbrox at online.no>
writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Well, I have searched here, and I think my conclusion is that it is 
> not
> found at a normal price in Norway. I can buy it at a normal price, 
> but then
> I have to buy 25 liters....  a plastic can.  US $ 400.00   And who 
> needs 25
> liters ?   Then in small quantities, like 500 ml, it cost about US $ 
> 100.00
> 
> Seems I have to wait for the spring and ruin the birches around 
> here.
> 
> 
> Bill Brox
> 
> billbrox at online.no


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 22 11:25:30 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:25:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: V-12 jimmy carb question 
In-Reply-To: <200608221600.k7MG05Qj008388@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F18A1F45E08843BD3741A02C7460@phx.gbl>

Bill, these engines were common in trucks.  Do some checking on the antique 
truck sites.  Since the V-12 is 2 V-6s put together you may need two of the 
carbs used on the V-6.  The American Truck Historical Society ATHS has a 
nice discussion board with some very knowledgeable folks.   Also ask on the 
ATCA (Antique truck club)  I would think that old 2barrel Rochecter carbs 
should be pretty common.

>   13. V-12 jimmy carb question (Bill Boyce)
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:32:58 -0500
>From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
>Subject: [SEL] V-12 jimmy carb question
>To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9 at BillyBob>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>a V12 GMC engine followed us home over the weekend,  minus the 2 carbs,,,
>and from what little info i;ve gotten, most of em used  two 2GC rochester
>carbs,,,after checking around town and not having ANY luck finding one (
>seems the dirt track guys have gleaned em all up ), i logged onto Ebay and
>found several listings,, i did have one stuck in the back cabinet of the
>shop, but have no idea what it came on,,, the carbs on Ebay are listed as
>"small bore" or "large bore" , so here is my question: does anyone know 
>what
>the bore size is for large or small bore ? if i knew, i could measure the
>one carb i have and then match the one i buy to the same bore diameter,,,,,
>i could use a more common carb like a 2 barrel holly or motorcraft, but
>would have to use
>flange adapters, as the 2G's have smaller bolt patterns,,, or, a couple of
>propane mixers would really make it simple,,,, but a couple of gasoline
>carbs sitting in the middle of 12 zoomies would sure look neater,,,
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 22 11:30:05 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:30:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3793ED0F0D366D1E69DA17C7460@phx.gbl>

I have a relatively modern briggs on a garder tiller.  The engine sat to 
long with gas in it and there is now shellac in the carb.  The old gas has 
been drained and new added.  I cleaned the carb sufficient to get the engine 
running.  It actually ran pretty good for awhile.  I shut it down and the 
next day it won't run again.  I can get it to run with by choking it with my 
hand so I know that there is a fuel flow problem.  Is there anything I can 
add to the gas tank that will clean the gummy stuff as it runs?  I thought 
of putting coleman fuel in but I'm not sure what it will do to the engine 
that is working under a load.




From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 11:54:10 2006
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:54:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Goold Muir and Shapley Magneto
Message-ID: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Goold Muir and Shapley verticle engine with the square
hopper.  Long ago, the magneto was replaced with a metal plate and a
spark plug.  Which type of magneto did these engines have on them?
Any help is greatly appreciated.

-- 
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
"I'll bet my drunken cat on that!"


From mullt at att.net  Tue Aug 22 11:54:20 2006
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:54:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
Message-ID: <082220061854.23.44EB52DC0008376D0000001721612436469B04049A03@att.net>

Back in the days when car engines still had carbureators, they had carb cleaner. I think it is still available. You would spray it on the outside and down the carb throat and it would remove the varnish.

You might be able to find a similar fuel additive. I would try and auto parts store, they can probably recommend something.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andy Glines" <andyglines at hotmail.com>
> I have a relatively modern briggs on a garder tiller.  The engine sat to 
> long with gas in it and there is now shellac in the carb.  The old gas has 
> been drained and new added.  I cleaned the carb sufficient to get the engine 
> running.  It actually ran pretty good for awhile.  I shut it down and the 
> next day it won't run again.  I can get it to run with by choking it with my 
> hand so I know that there is a fuel flow problem.  Is there anything I can 
> add to the gas tank that will clean the gummy stuff as it runs?  I thought 
> of putting coleman fuel in but I'm not sure what it will do to the engine 
> that is working under a load.
> 
> 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Aug 22 14:06:45 2006
From: jlb94 at juno.com (joseph l betz)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:06:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
Message-ID: <20060822.171055.1168.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Andy,

Coleman Fuel won't do anything to the engine nor will it clean anything
up.
It is just a more refined gasoline.

I've always used denatured alcohol to clean gas tanks and carburetors.

Soak the carb over night if you have to.  Put denatured alcohol in the
tank and clean it out.

I don't think leaving some alcohol in the tank will hurt.

I don't think it will do a lot of good to add it to your gas.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         May is Motorcycle Awareness Month.
 (_o_)                    "Look twice - Save a life".


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Aug 22 14:43:30 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:43:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] V-12 jimmy carb question
In-Reply-To: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <002b01c6c593$48918ac0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <442f64c50a2f2ebf6874061529581e56@chartertn.net>

Post some pictures of that thing, Bill!

John

On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Bill Boyce wrote:

> a V12 GMC engine followed us home over the weekend


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Aug 22 14:57:44 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:57:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
References: <20060822.171055.1168.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001401c6c635$ffd540d0$6400a8c0@home>

   I have always used a product called " Sea Foam " you put it in the gas 
tank and get the engine running and if you can keep it running long enough 
it eats the varnish away , be careful of the alcohol as it sometimes draws 
moisture in humid conditions and will corrode the inside of the carb if its 
made of aluminum and sits too long , we use Sea Foam  in our boat motors 
once a year after  winter storage . most auto parts stores carry it .
Rex Hinz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joseph l betz" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Rotten gas


> Hi Andy,
>
> Coleman Fuel won't do anything to the engine nor will it clean anything
> up.
> It is just a more refined gasoline.
>
> I've always used denatured alcohol to clean gas tanks and carburetors.
>
> Soak the carb over night if you have to.  Put denatured alcohol in the
> tank and clean it out.
>
> I don't think leaving some alcohol in the tank will hurt.
>
> I don't think it will do a lot of good to add it to your gas.
>
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/         May is Motorcycle Awareness Month.
> (_o_)                    "Look twice - Save a life".
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Aug 22 16:10:59 2006
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:10:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Goold Muir and Shapley Magneto
In-Reply-To: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44EB8F03.6010008@wightman.ca>

Hi Paul,

They usually had a Webster I believe


Duncan


Paul Anderson wrote:

> I have a Goold Muir and Shapley verticle engine with the square
> hopper.  Long ago, the magneto was replaced with a metal plate and a
> spark plug.  Which type of magneto did these engines have on them?
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 22 17:39:46 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:39:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>

It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
passed away this afternoon.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas






From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Aug 22 17:54:53 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:54:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1171513b99c788b6611c0005b0f774af@chartertn.net>

Oh, no!

Ted will be sorely missed.

John

On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Tim Christoff wrote:

> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted 
> Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Aug 22 18:07:14 2006
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:07:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c6c650$7f3cc450$a644e5d8@gary>

I am saddened and shocked by the news.  I knew Ted's illness was slowing 
down his involvement with engines and magnetos, but I didn't know that his 
illness had progressed so far.  I guess I am making an assumption, that he 
could have been injured in an accident.  I considered Ted a good friend 
although from a geographical distance.  I had the honor of spending an 
afternoon with him while he worked rebuilt a mag for me.  I thought I was 
going to leave it with him and pick it up later, instead he rebuilt it right 
then.  It was in rough condition and he had to make parts for it.  I was 
impressed with his skill and knowledge.

Tim, will you please keep us informed about the arrangements for his 
service, or will you be at Portland?

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Tue Aug 22 18:10:18 2006
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:10:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000601c6c650$e696be80$6500a8c0@ibmhlcs6ptj6iw>

What a loss to all us engine collectors , I didn't know Ted personally but I 
feel very close for I have used his knowledge over and over , deep regrets 
to all his family and friends ,  may the Lord Be with Him and His Family.

  Rex Hinz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Aug 22 18:42:15 2006
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:42:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <1171513b99c788b6611c0005b0f774af@chartertn.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
	<1171513b99c788b6611c0005b0f774af@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <44EBB277.2020601@scrtc.com>

A good engine man, a good friend.  He'll be greatly missed by all who 
knew him.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Oh, no!
>
> Ted will be sorely missed.
>
> John
>
> On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Tim Christoff wrote:
>
>> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted 
>> Brookover
>> passed away this afternoon.
>
>
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 22 19:00:41 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:00:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <410-2200683232041562@earthlink.net>

I will post it as soon as I know Gary.  They tell me that he suffered a
heart attack while in the hospital having some test done.  No, I won't be
able to make Portland this year.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 8/22/2006 8:18:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ted Brookover
>
> I am saddened and shocked by the news.  I knew Ted's illness was slowing 
> down his involvement with engines and magnetos, but I didn't know that
his 
> illness had progressed so far.  I guess I am making an assumption, that
he 
> could have been injured in an accident.  I considered Ted a good friend 
> although from a geographical distance.  I had the honor of spending an 
> afternoon with him while he worked rebuilt a mag for me.  I thought I was 
> going to leave it with him and pick it up later, instead he rebuilt it
right 
> then.  It was in rough condition and he had to make parts for it.  I was 
> impressed with his skill and knowledge.
>
> Tim, will you please keep us informed about the arrangements for his 
> service, or will you be at Portland?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
>
>
> > It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted
Brookover
> > passed away this afternoon.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> > Basehor Kansas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
>
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Tue Aug 22 22:16:53 2006
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:16:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <20060823051653.93E8B7E425@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Rob, I have a real nice home build hyd. press here and I'm sure it would do the job real good , but it is hard to put a round peg in a square hole......;.,'-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 08/21, Rob Skinner &lt; rskinner at rustyiron.com &gt; wrote:
From: Rob Skinner [mailto: rskinner at rustyiron.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:42:03 -0700Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese ToolsYes, I?m blaming the tool. It?s a Harbor Fright 20 ton press.What can go wrong with a press you ask? Hmph. I?ll tell you.You know those big cast platens that you get with the press? The ones overan inch thick? Do you know the noise it makes when the frame of your pressis stressed out at 20 tons and then the platen breaks, releasing all thatenergy and sending shrapnel flying all over the place?It would probably be pretty cool if you weren?t standing in the middle ofit. If you are, it ain?t cool. Pictures of the bits athttp://www.rustyiron.com/boristhespider/Chinese-Junk.htmlIt?s probably ok to use these for assembling your Tinker-Toys, but foranything serious, back it up with some real metal.=-=-=-=-=-=Rob SkinnerLa Habra, Californiahttp://www.rustyiron.comiChat: rob_skinner_______________________________________________SEL
  
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 22 22:20:49 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:20:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608222220i3781c1eek77704eac3e800acd@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/08/06, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>

Very sad news, Ted was a great help to all who contacted him and will
be missed by all engine folks worldwide.

Peter & Rita
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From segray at mlode.com  Tue Aug 22 22:34:08 2006
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:34:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44EBE8D0.8060506@mlode.com>

   DANG! Having just past our common birthdays recently (July 22), I had 
wondered how he was doing with his physical problems. What a tremendous 
loss!!  Thoughts and prayers to his family.

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com



Tim Christoff wrote:

>It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
>passed away this afternoon.
>
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>  
>




From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Aug 22 21:46:08 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:46:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200608230446.k7N4kQSC095933@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:40 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover

It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
passed away this afternoon.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas

~~~~~~~~

That comes as a shock!  

We're having the funeral of one of our old iron club members, tomorrow.  Who
will fill their shoes?  

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   







From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Aug 22 15:40:54 2006
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:40:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F3793ED0F0D366D1E69DA17C7460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200608222241.k7MMfEr1029732@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy Glines
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:30 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Rotten gas

I have a relatively modern briggs on a garder tiller.  The engine sat to 
long with gas in it and there is now shellac in the carb.  The old gas has 
been drained and new added.  I cleaned the carb sufficient to get the engine

running.  It actually ran pretty good for awhile.  I shut it down and the 
next day it won't run again.  I can get it to run with by choking it with my

hand so I know that there is a fuel flow problem.  Is there anything I can 
add to the gas tank that will clean the gummy stuff as it runs?  I thought 
of putting coleman fuel in but I'm not sure what it will do to the engine 
that is working under a load.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Denatured alcohol dissolves gasoline deposits almost instantly.

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Aug 23 01:46:18 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:46:18 +1000
Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060823084612.FYKU3131.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I am greatly saddened by the loss of such a knowledgeable & friendly man. I
was never fortunate enough to meet Ted in the flesh, but we conversed
frequently via email over the years.
Ted was one of the great personalities in this hobby and will be greatly
missed.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
passed away this afternoon.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas







From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Aug 23 04:38:46 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3465.165.206.180.140.1156333126.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

What the @#$%%$@$??
I also just got word a great fellow in the classic car world passed away -
lost his battle with cancer (R W & B '69 AMX built to the hilt, did custom
upholstry) He was basically a neighbor only a couple of hours from here.
We showed cars together in June.

Man I knew Ted was having some nasty health problems, guess I just never
thought how bad.
Ted was a wonderful fellow - very helpful and fun. We had some great times
when he came to Waukee. He was busy as all get out when here but seemed to
always make time for people. He helped me out on a couple of projects,
including making from scratch the trip setup for the mag on my Simplicity
- from photos and drawings.

He will indeed be missed.

Bill

> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 22 18:21:32 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006001c6c652$78bd2f00$240110ac@PAUL2>

Tim this is awful news, the World will miss this fine gentleman and so will 
all of us SEL folks. I am thankful that the Lord allowed me to know Ted and 
be a friend of his as we all were. I can still see Ted setting on his Golf 
Cart at Portland as he almost ran over me when the cart lunged and I was in 
front of it. We both got a laugh out of it. He rebuilt several ignitors for 
me and his workmanship was of the highest quality.

My prayer will be that the Good Lord will give his family strength and 
understanding and the reminding knowledge that someday they will see Ted 
again.

My sincere condolences to all of his family and friends. Ted, you will be 
sorely missed but we know you are now in a place where there is no more 
sickness and pain.

God Be With You My Friend,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com  Wed Aug 23 10:08:38 2006
From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:08:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <200608231600.k7NG05lI002980@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <C111F5C6.13C81%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>

Very, very sad news. Ted was a wonderful man, a consummate engine fan whose
knowledge ran very deep. He was kind, gracious and always willing to lend a
hand. He will be sorely missed.
Richard
-- 
Richard Backus
Editor in Chief
Motorcycle Classics
www.motorcycleclassics.com
1503 SW 42nd. St.
Topeka, KS 66609-1265
Phone: 785-274-4383
Fax: 785-274-4385



> From: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Reply-To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:00:05 -0400
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22
> 
> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas



From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Wed Aug 23 10:26:10 2006
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:26:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted
References: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office>

I'll always remember how Ted kindly agreed to paint the pinstripe on one of my Galloway engines, 
while we were at Portland several years ago. http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Ted.jpg
He was one of the good guys that kept this hobby going.
:-(






From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Aug 23 11:30:47 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:30:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ted
In-Reply-To: <00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office>
References: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
	<00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <44EC9ED7.20307@insulate.co.uk>

Hi John

Yes, some of us have  a permanent reminder of Ted and his skill.  I sat 
this morning looking at the pinstripes he did on Tillie, thinking that 
his mark will literally be on this hobby for a long time to come.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland2001/people/ted.jpg

Dolly

John Cullom wrote:

> I'll always remember how Ted kindly agreed to paint the pinstripe on 
> one of my Galloway engines, while we were at Portland several years 
> ago. http://oldengine.org/members/jcullom/Ted.jpg
> He was one of the good guys that kept this hobby going.
> :-(
>

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From wackyvorlon at gmail.com  Wed Aug 23 12:00:13 2006
From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:00:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Goold Muir and Shapley Magneto
In-Reply-To: <44EB8F03.6010008@wightman.ca>
References: <9e7fa74a0608221154q4c612dc1he6e2e83a6324554b@mail.gmail.com>
	<44EB8F03.6010008@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <9e7fa74a0608231200k1a906ed5n8b65e56d21312b5f@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/22/06, Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca> wrote:
> They usually had a Webster I believe
>
Does anyone recall which webster?


-- 
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon at gmail.com
"I'll bet my drunken cat on that!"


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Aug 23 13:00:27 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:00:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <beb.14f45d2.321e0ddb@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/22/2006 8:46:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:

<<  Ted Brookover
 passed away this afternoon. >>


I am very sorry to learn of the passing of Ted.  I first met him at Kinsers 
many years ago after joining this group of great folks.  He was a fine man 
indeed having accumulated a wealth of knowledge about the ignition systems on 
these engines, and more than willing to share that information and help to all of 
us when asked.  He will be missed by all and only hope that he has passed some 
of that knowledge and repair savvy to others to carry on.  

He was to magnetos that John Hammink was to International engines.

My condolences to his family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 23 15:37:26 2006
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:37:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <BAY102-F3916142DF517DA677A0373CB470@phx.gbl>

Ted's passage is sad news, indeed.  I was fortunate to have lived in the 
same area as Ted, thus saw him pretty regularly when he was active.  He was 
not just a wizard with magnetos and ignitors, he was a gentleman, a very 
patient gentleman with an ignorant audience.  He will be missed as possibly 
no other engineman.

Ted mentioned once he was trying to train an apprentice.  I wonder how that 
project went?

Bruce Younger
05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68
Madison, SD
sluggo54 at hotmail.com




From eightcycle at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 16:52:57 2006
From: eightcycle at yahoo.com (Mike Moloy)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20060823235257.8128.qmail@web33413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ted was a very great person. 
I have know Ted for over ten years as I am a member of
 Mo-Kan Antique Power Assn as was Ted. He not only had
great and vast knowledge of antique gas engines and
mags and ignitors. He was a very great person. I
always learned a lot of Ted. He got two of my engines
running, that I could not get to run and rebuild two
of my mags for two other engines. I was going to say
all of his work was first rate, but it really was
museum quality work. I am very proud to have know Ted
Brookover and I am very very sad at his passing. I
think everybody who knew Ted will have a deep hole in
their heart.

Mike Moloy
Blue Springs, MO

--- Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:

> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and
> loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 23 18:35:57 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:35:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
Message-ID: <410-22006842413557140@earthlink.net>

I spoke with Jennifer (Ted's loving wife) last night and she told me what
had happened.  Ted's sister had taken him to the hospital for his daily
treatment, I am not sure what it was but it was helping him out, and after
he was done she took him to the local police dept so he could pick up his
new carry permit.  Right after leaving the police dept, he suffered a major
heart attack.  Jennifer figures he went with a smile since he did in fact
get his carry permit, something he strongly beleived in.  I do not know
when for sure the services will be but I would guess they will be on
Friday.  As soon as I find out I will post it.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas






From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Aug 23 19:24:14 2006
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:24:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004301c6c724$6b984850$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6>

It's very sad to hear of Ted's passing, he was a great help to many people 
and will be sadly missed.
   Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 23 23:10:26 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:10:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
In-Reply-To: <20060823051653.93E8B7E425@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <C11290E2.266B%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

On 8/22/06 10:16 PM, "Gus" <gibsongus at myway.com> wrote:
>  Rob, I have a real nice home build hyd. press here and I'm sure it would do
> the job real good ,

Hey Gus, 
That press of yours is a rare, one-of-a-kind creation.  And if you had to
buy one of those emergency landing gear pumps for your aircraft, you'd be on
beans and rice for a couple weeks.

Rob





From brock at netspeed.com.au  Wed Aug 23 02:59:46 2006
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:59:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001c6c74e$bd42b580$5f11fea9@merlin>

I,am sad to hear that Ted has passed on . It is a very sad day in the engine 
movement
Brock
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover


> It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
> passed away this afternoon.
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor Kansas
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Aug 24 04:21:13 2006
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:21:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover obituary
Message-ID: <410-22006842411211346@coastalnet.com>


Here is a link to the obit page of the Kansas City Star:
http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp
Scroll down the list of names.

Take care.

Ken




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 24 17:23:29 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:23:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <082520060023.17416.44EE43010006063300004408219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Does any one know John Wanat's street address?  Ive got a PO Box but need the 
street address to send a gas tank UPS.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 24 19:16:35 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:16:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
Message-ID: <008901c6c7ec$7dee5b20$240110ac@PAUL2>

Where is a Portland Update? Someone usually by now sends out a update and a few pictures for us "stay at homes".

Paul

From gibsongus at myway.com  Thu Aug 24 22:24:00 2006
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:24:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese Tools
Message-ID: <20060825052400.7DC4399E26@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Thank you Sir...-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 08/24, Rob Skinner &lt; rskinner at rustyiron.com &gt; wrote:
From: Rob Skinner [mailto: rskinner at rustyiron.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:10:26 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] @#$%! Chinese ToolsOn 8/22/06 10:16 PM, "Gus" wrote:&gt; Rob, I have a real nice home build hyd. press here and I'm sure it would do&gt; the job real good ,Hey Gus, That press of yours is a rare, one-of-a-kind creation. And if you had tobuy one of those emergency landing gear pumps for your aircraft, you'd be onbeans and rice for a couple weeks.Rob_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From george at irontrader.com  Fri Aug 25 09:40:02 2006
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:40:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ted
In-Reply-To: <44EC9ED7.20307@insulate.co.uk>
References: <56t0vs$pqqolb@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
	<00ef01c6c6d9$39a8e250$6401a8c0@office> <44EC9ED7.20307@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20060825104002.zewt43dr7i80gk48@100megs28.com>

I was surprised to see today that Ted had passed away earlier this week.

I've seen him when I've visited the Portland show and have fond  
memories of the time we spent talking there.

He also did a couple of ignitors for me, plus did a fantastic job of  
rebuilding a Webster Tri-polar that I'd been having problems with.

He will truly be missed by a lot of people in this hobby.

George


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 25 20:01:29 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <008901c6c7ec$7dee5b20$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <20060826030129.93153.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul

Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
(9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  

I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
$1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.

As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....

Steve

--- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Where is a Portland Update? Someone usually by now sends out a update
> and a few pictures for us "stay at homes".
> 
> Paul


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 25 20:31:35 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:31:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
References: <20060826030129.93153.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c6c8c0$22f42720$240110ac@PAUL2>

Thanks Steve, I guess the photo's will be forthcoming sometime next week.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Portland Update


> Paul
> 
> Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
> (9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
> meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
> hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
> rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  
> 
> I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
> $1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.
> 
> As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Where is a Portland Update? Someone usually by now sends out a update
>> and a few pictures for us "stay at homes".
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
>          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
>                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> _______________________________________________
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Aug 25 22:43:02 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:43:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <20060826030129.93153.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Paul

Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
(9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  

I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
$1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.

As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....

Steve





From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Aug 26 00:45:29 2006
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:45:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <009301c6c8e3$9b62c270$fd2ffea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

You have got to be kidding??

Ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Portland Update


> I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Paul
> 
> Update is that right now, A Beer Tasting should have been occuring
> (9:57CST for some time now).  I had to leave around noon today for a
> meeting back home this evening...  I arrived there in the early morning
> hours on Wed and had a blast.  So far, there has been no measurable
> rainfall...had a sprinkle or two, but that was all.  
> 
> I don't have the exact $ amount, but over $1500 (might have been over
> $1600) was raised last night in the Charity auction.
> 
> As to Photos, You will have to figure that out....
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Aug 26 05:23:11 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:23:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Upcoming Oz Rallies
Message-ID: <20060826122300.LARY3131.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I hope to see a few list members at Macksville next weekend. I brought the
big, vertical Stover home today to clean up ready for the trip north. It had
not been touched since the amazingly wet trip to Manilla a few months ago.
The Stover fired up first try, even with stale fuel.
Don't forget the Clarendon Classic rally here in Sydney two weeks after
Macksville. It should be another great weekend. (OK it is a shameless plug
for my club's rally but it can't hurt).

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 26 09:31:48 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:31:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>

Patrick where is the link to ALL of Steve's Portland 2006 photo's, I saw the 
striped one that you were eluding to but apparently there must be more.

Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Portland Update


>I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> 



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Aug 26 09:35:43 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:35:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <3dc6bc62aca6788713848c995208ab82@chartertn.net>

Looks like something my kids would do to a Maytag. ;-)

John

On Aug 26, 2006, at 1:43 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Aug 26 10:26:49 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:26:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <3dc6bc62aca6788713848c995208ab82@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <C115D269.2701%rskinner@rustyiron.com>


>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg

Bravo!  She must be the most patriotic engine out there.  I wish I coulda
been there to stand next to the Eclipse every morning during the playing of
the Star Spangled Banner.  Notice now the MacLeod is carefully oriented so
that there is NO chance of flinging a stray droplet of oil onto the new
paint job.

Rob



=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner











From marvhed at ecenet.com  Sat Aug 26 09:53:32 2006
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:53:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

from steve's web site:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2006Portland.htm

marv in minn



> Patrick where is the link to ALL of Steve's Portland 2006 photo's, I saw
> the
> striped one that you were eluding to but apparently there must be more.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Need Portland Update
>
>
>>I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
>> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Aug 26 16:11:50 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:11:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <c40.a2d73e.32222f36@aol.com>

Curt,

He lists his address as Box 275  West Reading, Ct.  06896

He does not list this as a PO box number and I would assume that his address 
is a rural route Box 275.  This is just a guess on my part.  His email address 
is: kingpoleac at aol.com

Many years ago I sent a gas tank back that leaked when I got it and do not 
remember having any trouble shipping back to him.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Sat Aug 26 21:36:55 2006
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:36:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: One for the aussies - does anyone know the drive belt
 sizes for a Masport Shiremaster 720 walk behind mower?
Message-ID: <44F12167.5020601@steamengine.com.au>

Could any of the aussies on list who know the answer to the question in the subject please send me a mail off list. Mine 
dropped its wheel drive belt which got tangled in the rotor drive belt causing both of them to be eaten by the rotor. 
There isn't a big enough bit to identify the belt sizes!

The mower is a 1980's vintage Masport Shiremaster 720 - the local councils used them for plots too small for tractor mowing.

Regards
Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sat Aug 26 14:22:39 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:22:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
Message-ID: <002501c6c955$c3a2fe40$7dd24c0c@D48VHZ61>

Went to an auction today and brought home a truckload. Although no flywheel 
engines I picked up an old Wright chaisaw, 2-man McCullough, cast iron 
Clinton, A Reo reel mower with about 75% origianl paint and good wheels, and 
a David Bradley brush cutter. Definetly a good day. Lots of old tools, 
belting, buzz coils, farm machinery etc. Sales like that are getting hard to 
come by around here. Looks like we'll be tinkering in the shop this fall.

John Hall 




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug 27 03:28:22 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:28:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <082720061028.1243.44F173C60008821E000004DB219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tom, but I have a UPS shipping service at my business and they won't 
ship anything to a PO box.  Guess I will have to give him another phone call 
to reconfirm before I try to ship the old gas tank to him.
Curt Andree


> Curt,
> 
> He lists his address as Box 275  West Reading, Ct.  06896
> 
> He does not list this as a PO box number and I would assume that his address 
> is a rural route Box 275.  This is just a guess on my part.  His email address 
> is: kingpoleac at aol.com
> 
> Many years ago I sent a gas tank back that leaked when I got it and do not 
> remember having any trouble shipping back to him.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From oldengin at verizon.net  Sun Aug 27 05:23:52 2006
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:23:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>

This year was one of the best yet!!!!!!   We now have 10 inch flywheels and 
they are GREAT!    (Thanks Curt) now into the next step of the engin.

Portland has a few flaws that they need to work out but the show was grand! 
No repeat NO rain and yet not overly hot. I had my ussual static display of 
iron but others had some really nice engins running solid. Seen a few I have 
never seen before which where unidentified! and a couple others which I did 
not know the companies made. Tell you now to mark your calender for next 
years show now as it is planned to be even bigger and better than this year! 
Leroy

ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life I 
have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre 
builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me! 



From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 27 05:44:10 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:44:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
In-Reply-To: <082720061028.1243.44F173C60008821E000004DB219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000501c6c9d6$7f2cbae0$95bb5904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

If you call information on your phone service they will give you the
physical street address for this person if this helps any.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:28 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address

Thanks Tom, but I have a UPS shipping service at my business and they won't 
ship anything to a PO box.  Guess I will have to give him another phone call

to reconfirm before I try to ship the old gas tank to him.
Curt Andree


> Curt,
> 
> He lists his address as Box 275  West Reading, Ct.  06896
> 
> He does not list this as a PO box number and I would assume that his
address 
> is a rural route Box 275.  This is just a guess on my part.  His email
address 
> is: kingpoleac at aol.com
> 
> Many years ago I sent a gas tank back that leaked when I got it and do not

> remember having any trouble shipping back to him.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 06:18:33 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:18:33 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
Message-ID: <be5.371ab4a.3222f5a9@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2006 3:16:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jthall at worldnet.att.net writes:

<<  Lots of old tools, 
 belting, buzz coils, farm machinery etc. >>

John,

An old iron man's dream!  Have fun this winter!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 06:23:27 2006
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:23:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <37f.a02b627.3222f6cf@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2006 6:46:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

<<  they won't 
 ship anything to a PO box.  >>

Curt,  

Again, not sure this is a PO BOX as he does not list it as a PO.  For 
instance, my address is RT. 2 Box 87 which is NOT a PO box, but a Rural Route mail 
box which UPS and everyone else delivers to.  Send John an email and confirm his 
shipping address.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 07:31:09 2006
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:31:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Another Portland Ends ...
Message-ID: <44F1ACAD.5050602@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Folks

And although we weren't there to witness it, Arnie and Dave were kind 
enough to phone us during the closing ceremony, in order that we could 
hear the Canadian and American anthems being sung in true Portland style.
I also heard that Dave is to be referred to a "Brother Dave" from now on.

Brother Dave asked me to let you all know that a collection was held at 
Portland and a BIG floral tribute was sent to Ted's funeral on behalf of 
his friends on the SEL.

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 08:05:34 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:05:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <6f6025160608270805s526f815ehfd538d27d9bdc6a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/08/06, Leroy <oldengin at verizon.net> wrote:

> ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life I
> have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre
> builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
>

That's unusual, Leroy, they have an excellent safety record in Europe.
Was there any common failure mode in the blowouts that you have had?,
ie speed, loading, road surface etc?

Been a long time since we had any kind of failure, probably 8 years
ago, on the van before last. That time we had two go on the same trip,
one was a puncture and one a blowout, but nothing in common.

Current van is about to start its third set of tyres, just over 93000
miles and two years old next month, getting 46,000 out of a set.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 08:38:32 2006
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
In-Reply-To: <082720061028.1243.44F173C60008821E000004DB219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20060827153832.53171.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John Wanat's address is, as follows:
John Wanat
14 Long Ridge Road
West Redding, CT 06896
Hope this helps,
Joe

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From oldengin at verizon.net  Sun Aug 27 09:56:37 2006
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:56:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608270805s526f815ehfd538d27d9bdc6a2@mail.gmail.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Update


> On 27/08/06, Leroy <oldengin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my 
>> life I
>> have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre
>> builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
>>
>
> That's unusual, Leroy, they have an excellent safety record in Europe.
> Was there any common failure mode in the blowouts that you have had?,
> ie speed, loading, road surface etc?

>
> Peter

>
>Only common thing about the tyres is the name, my recommendation is do not 
>buy these tyres!!!!!!!!!
One tire was a Firestone 500 of many years ago. two where cause they where 
over 6 years old?? one for no know reason, one (I think) was for low air 
pressure and this last was a tread separation, as we where leaving Portland 
the camper started with a vibration in the front end and I figured it would 
not make it home..   Leroy
ps story had it that michilin had troubles years ago cause of the way they 
brass coated the steel ? you telling me this is not true? At that time I was 
working for Goodyear and we got lots of papers on the troubles michilin was 
having. 



From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug 27 11:40:13 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:40:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update, now tires
Message-ID: <393401346.1156704013358.JavaMail.root@fepweb12>

-
> 
> >
> >Only common thing about the tyres is the name, my recommendation is do not 
> >buy these tyres!!!!!!!!!
Leroy, we sell  Michelin-BFG-Uniroyal, Bridestone- Firestone, and some private labels. Michelin had some problems in the 80's with their XH series, and some RV manufacturers used a lower ply rating than the vehicle called for, these failed. Time is the worst enemy of a steel belted tire, 5 years is considered the maximum life. The last three numbers of the DOT # is the julian date of manufacture. 093 would be the 9th week of 2003, or possibly 1993. A cheap new tire is better than an old premium tire. On a limited use vehicle like a trailer or a motor home it doesn't pay to put the top of the line if you can't afford to ge rid of them with plenty of rubber on them when the time is up.We had Goodyear fo a few years and had the worst failure rate of any tires we ever sold, rep said we were ordering the wrong tires, not much of an excuse to me. I think Michelin is the best tire we sell , but they are pricing themselve out of the market. I wouldn't try to sell anyone a tire they aren't confident in, they will be unforgiving if anything happens to it. We made it home safely yesterday, the rest of the group is in route, should be home tomorow evening.
J.B. Castagnos.
Belle Rose, LA



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sun Aug 27 11:59:51 2006
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:59:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
Message-ID: <327.b3577bd.322345a7@aol.com>

 
Hi John,
If that David Bradley brush cutter is the device with two wheels, and a  
circular saw blade up front with two handles in the rear to hang on to, be very  
careful with it.  I met a fellow who lost a leg to one of those when he was  
clearing brush from a slope.  The saw blade grabbed some brush and instead  of 
cutting, it jerked the machine from his grip rotating it 180? and cut his  leg. 
 His grandson was with him and was able to slow the  bleeding which saved his 
life.  For brush cutting I prefer the two  wheel Gravely with the sulky 
behind.  It can't turn on itself and  does good work in brush.
 
Play safe.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO 
PS:  Those REO engines are interesting, don't you  think? 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2006 2:16:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jthall at worldnet.att.net writes:

Went to  an auction today and brought home a truckload. Although no flywheel  
engines I picked up an old Wright chaisaw, 2-man McCullough, cast iron  
Clinton, A Reo reel mower with about 75% origianl paint and good wheels,  and 
a David Bradley brush cutter. Definetly a good day. Lots of old tools,  
belting, buzz coils, farm machinery etc. Sales like that are getting hard  to 
come by around here. Looks like we'll be tinkering in the shop this  fall.

John Hall 





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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 13:31:27 2006
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:31:27 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <002101c6c9f9$c41332b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
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On 27/08/06, Leroy <oldengin at verizon.net> wrote:

> >Only common thing about the tyres is the name, my recommendation is do not
> >buy these tyres!!!!!!!!!
> One tire was a Firestone 500 of many years ago. two where cause they where
> over 6 years old?? one for no know reason, one (I think) was for low air
> pressure and this last was a tread separation, as we where leaving Portland
> the camper started with a vibration in the front end and I figured it would
> not make it home..   Leroy
> ps story had it that michilin had troubles years ago cause of the way they
> brass coated the steel ? you telling me this is not true? At that time I was
> working for Goodyear and we got lots of papers on the troubles michilin was
> having.

We have Michelin, Goodyear. Continental and all the regular makes over
here in the UK, plus a lot of tyres from the far east like Hankook and
others. Tyre failures are relatively rare over here, and are usually
confined to damage, under/over inflation or age related perishing of
the rubber compound.

I don't believe that Michelin are any better/worse than other makes,
and I seem to remember other US manufacturers in trouble over tyres in
the past. I tend to buy my tyres based on previous use/experience, our
van currently has Goodyear fitment which will be replaced with the
same next week. The trailer has Hankook (Taiwan/Korea) tyres fitted.

Was it Goodyear that got into problems with the Ford Explorer?
Probably a one-off, but most folks have their favourite horror
stories, regret that we haven't had any over the last million miles or
so, all our rubber has been uniformly good.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Aug 27 16:16:12 2006
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:16:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160608271331j3a3fc5eh387545fd15fab08e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608270805s526f815ehfd538d27d9bdc6a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c6c9f9$c41332b0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
	<6f6025160608271331j3a3fc5eh387545fd15fab08e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bdf5454edcb84aaf5106609efb50c4a5@chartertn.net>

> Was it Goodyear that got into problems with the Ford Explorer?

I think that was Firestone, but I could be wrong.

They've all had problems at one time or another.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From asouth at strato.net  Sun Aug 27 21:17:55 2006
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:17:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re:OT:  Portland Update
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML><000f01c6c92d$21847d00$240110ac@PAUL2><53234.199.62.0.252.1156611212.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
	<003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <000901c6ca58$f071cb00$1996123f@LapTop>

Hi Leroy,
I've had a lot of Michelin blow outs on my MH also. I have better luck with 
16" L/T tires B.F. Goodrich.

We had an good time renewing our SEL friendships. Missed not having the 
group picture on Thursday  though.

Hope you all have a great summer engine show season.

If ERNESTO doesn't blow us away, maybe we'll do Portland again next year. 
We're still in Indy as of Sunday PM trying to make an informed decision as 
to go to Fla. or wait a few more days.

To all in Ernesto's path, I wish you well.

C'ya later,
Arthur











Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net


http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update


> This year was one of the best yet!!!!!!   We now have 10 inch flywheels 
> and they are GREAT!    (Thanks Curt) now into the next step of the engin.
>
> Portland has a few flaws that they need to work out but the show was 
> grand! No repeat NO rain and yet not overly hot. I had my ussual static 
> display of iron but others had some really nice engins running solid. Seen 
> a few I have never seen before which where unidentified! and a couple 
> others which I did not know the companies made. Tell you now to mark your 
> calender for next years show now as it is planned to be even bigger and 
> better than this year! Leroy
>
> ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life 
> I have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre 
> builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Aug 27 18:08:26 2006
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:08:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Auction finds
References: <327.b3577bd.322345a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c6ca3e$781a9930$d1d34c0c@D48VHZ61>

Yeah Ron, the very one. Scary ain't the word for the way that thing is 
setup. Don't worry, if I need to clear brush it will be with my weedeater or 
a bushog. I don't know how many companies built those but either not many 
wer made or very few have survived. The reason I wanted it was to compliment 
our chainsaw collection---over 40 at last count. It is a nice original piece 
with pretty good paint an decals. I'll probably get it running and leave it 
alone for now---I'm in the middle of a very long tractor restoration that 
will be gearing back up come fall.

As for the Reo---bought the mower for $5. When I first started messing with 
antiques about 20 years ago they were real popular at engine shows---same 
for cast iron Briggs, Clinton, Pincor and Continental engines. Don't see 
them around much anymore. Personally I like to see the restored reel mowers. 
There were quite a few manufacturers and they were painted up rather nicely.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction finds



Hi John,
If that David Bradley brush cutter is the device with two wheels, and a
circular saw blade up front with two handles in the rear to hang on to, be 
very
careful with it.  I met a fellow who lost a leg to one of those when he was
clearing brush from a slope.  The saw blade grabbed some brush and instead 
of
cutting, it jerked the machine from his grip rotating it 180? and cut his 
leg.
 His grandson was with him and was able to slow the  bleeding which saved 
his
life.  For brush cutting I prefer the two  wheel Gravely with the sulky
behind.  It can't turn on itself and  does good work in brush.

Play safe.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO
PS:  Those REO engines are interesting, don't you  think?




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 28 03:16:59 2006
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Need John Wanat's address
Message-ID: <082820061016.10942.44F2C29B000ACE5300002ABE219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thankyou very very much Joe!  Now I can get my Fuller & Johnson gas tank 
rebuilt.
Curt Andree


> John Wanat's address is, as follows:
> John Wanat
> 14 Long Ridge Road
> West Redding, CT 06896
> Hope this helps,
> Joe
> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Aug 28 05:02:13 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:02:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover
In-Reply-To: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006832303946906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060828075845.0347c6a0@mail.alltel.net>

We took up a collection for flowers for Ted at Portland and raised $205.00. 
A floral arrangement (for that amount) was sent in the name of the SEL.
         Dave

At 08:39 PM 8/22/2006, you wrote:
>It is with deep regret to inform all who knew and loved him, Ted Brookover
>passed away this afternoon.
>Tim Christoff
>Basehor Kansas



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Aug 28 05:39:50 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:39:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060828082651.036d6370@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	This year at the Portland Dinner and Charity Auction we were fortunate to 
have Beverly and Ned Jinks (she is the one who sings the national anthems 
and he does the prayer each morning) and Doug Etzkorn and his wife, Connie 
(Doug is the Director in charge of  the stationary engine area) join us for 
the dinner and auction. About 60 people attended the dinner and $1686.00 
was raised for charity this year. That's down a bit from years past so lets 
all start thinking about items for the ATIS Charity Christmas Auction so 
that we can have a great one this year!
	Dave
	



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Aug 28 10:14:56 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] info on johnson seahorse motor???
In-Reply-To: <001e01c6ca3e$781a9930$d1d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <327.b3577bd.322345a7@aol.com>
	<001e01c6ca3e$781a9930$d1d34c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <3367.165.206.180.19.1156785296.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Had a person ask for info on the following, so I pose to the experts here:

Seahorse Motor
Johnson Motor
Model JW16
3 horsepower
Serial # 2004110


Ideas?



Bill
Runnells, IA


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Aug 28 14:24:04 2006
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:24:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
In-Reply-To: <003601c6c9d3$a9900bf0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F6AF12C76D6860FD8C246FE7380@phx.gbl>

Glad you made it home safely.

Regards,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Portland Update
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:23:52 -0400
>
>This year was one of the best yet!!!!!!   We now have 10 inch flywheels and 
>they are GREAT!    (Thanks Curt) now into the next step of the engin.
>
>Portland has a few flaws that they need to work out but the show was grand! 
>No repeat NO rain and yet not overly hot. I had my ussual static display of 
>iron but others had some really nice engins running solid. Seen a few I 
>have never seen before which where unidentified! and a couple others which 
>I did not know the companies made. Tell you now to mark your calender for 
>next years show now as it is planned to be even bigger and better than this 
>year! Leroy
>
>ps I lost another michillin tyre on the way home on the camper, in my life 
>I have had 6 tire blow outs and five have all been from the same tyre 
>builder............hmmmm  looks like no more michlins for me!
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 16:19:43 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
Message-ID: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>

Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the right latch arm I need:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh

I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and he was involved in her care.

If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.

Thanks,

Paul


From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Aug 28 16:26:35 2006
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:26:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] info on johnson seahorse motor???
Message-ID: <2035988086.1156807595452.JavaMail.root@fepweb08>

---- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: 
> Had a person ask for info on the following, so I pose to the experts here:
> 
> Seahorse Motor
> Johnson Motor
> Model JW16
> 3 horsepower
> Serial # 2004110
> 
> 
> Ideas?

Have him post his question here. 

http://www.marineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi

J.B. Castagnos



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 28 18:16:45 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:16:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060828211240.02ebae50@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Paul, Would a horizontal 2? hp Y model Stover use the same latch? Mark

At 07:19 PM 8/28/06, you wrote:
>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>right latch arm I need:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of 
>the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer 
>and he was involved in her care.
>
>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
>please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone 
you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if 
possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 18:53:57 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:53:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20060828211240.02ebae50@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c6cb0d$fe309d10$240110ac@PAUL2>

Mark what I have learned is that Stover used a lot of different 
configurations for the latch arm so it is quite possible that the latch 
might work. My latch has to pivot from one end and have an offset in the arm 
as shown in the picture. Thanks for the reply.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Hi Paul, Would a horizontal 2? hp Y model Stover use the same latch? Mark
>
> At 07:19 PM 8/28/06, you wrote:
>>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>>right latch arm I need:
>>
>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 19:07:59 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:07:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
Message-ID: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>

Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.

Thanks,

Paul

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 28 19:09:36 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:09:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20060828211240.02ebae50@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01c6cb10$2e2a7ed0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Mark I failed to mention that the picture of the head with the latch on it 
that I included with my request came off of a horizontal engine and not a 
vertical.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Hi Paul, Would a horizontal 2? hp Y model Stover use the same latch? Mark
>
> At 07:19 PM 8/28/06, you wrote:
>>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 




From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Mon Aug 28 19:43:58 2006
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:43:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282143020.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

Paul,
You need to get an unloader for the compressor, one for any gas powered
compressor should work as long as it flows enough air.
Andrew.

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Paul Maples wrote:

> Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Mon Aug 28 19:45:09 2006
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:45:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282144250.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

Hi Paul,
If you could come up with the dimensions it looks like one could be made
fairly easily.
Andrew.

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Paul Maples wrote:

> Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the right latch arm I need:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
> I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and he was involved in her care.
>
> If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 28 21:36:37 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:36:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] UPDATE: "Border Bob" Bolhuis 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20060828231532.02f056d0@pop3.wcoil.com>

The latest from Sheila is they will move him to a semi private room soon 
and that he is getting some movement in his foot, also that his mind is not 
yet functioning properly yet. So far he says he has visited work, the US 
and Australia in his mind. At least he's enjoying traveling.
Things are coming along slow but steady. He has a phone # number now but we 
will hold off giving that out till he is moved to the other room to avoid # 
confusion. And still waiting for a bed in the rehab center to open up. It 
might be a week it might be two, who knows.
He may or may not recognize the name when you tell him who you are. This 
too is improving slowly.
We are going up tomorrow to visit Bob and Sheila and the boys and deliver 
the Get well cards that were signed at Portland as well as the hugs and 
kisses promised to be delivered. We will be passing the Account info and 
password on to them as well.
  At this point the account stands at $2724.37  with a few more $ to be 
deposited. This figure is the result of the monies passed on by Dave Croft 
from the remainder of donations made to him from the SEL from his accident, 
and general donations collected at Portland in the SEL area and the vending 
spots of Phil Devries and mine. The bake sale proceeds will be delivered in 
cash this weekend. This is an additional $650.
  If you wish to get a donation in, either mail it to the address below 
made out to Bob or Sheila Bolhuis  or Paypal payments can go to the user 
bbblues11 at hotmail.com this will allow the funds to be transfered to their 
new savings account.
  At request of any List members who wish to review it a full accounting of 
the $ collected and deposited will be ready shortly.
                                   Sincerely,  Mark


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Home #419.358.5206
Verizon Cell
#419.516.2996 Mark
#330.475.4450 Christine 




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 04:27:53 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:27:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F424B9.3050100@imc-group.com>

Paul,
It's funny you should mention this. There was a Stover at Baraboo with 
the latchout you are needing. I took several pictures and in the next 
day or two I'll get the Baraboo and Portland pictures posted. I think it 
will help you out.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the right latch arm I need:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and he was involved in her care.
>
>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Aug 29 05:01:50 2006
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:01:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Safety.."Bolt from the Blue"
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1442288E62EC4FD718F707BB390@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
   Sitting in my chair gazing out the big shed door yesterday, this lag bolt 
fell to the floor just next of me.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565134/2363304090039077051XHFVYX

  What the hell, I thought.  Looked up at here's the garage door opener 
business end laying on my garage door:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565134/2455434050039077051lRevaB

  2 hrs earlier that door was closed.  So I consider myself fairly lucky 
yesterday.  Bottom line recommend ya'll check your bolts..personally I'm 
going to a "J" bolt over the top of the ceiling joist.

  Anytime a wood screw or lag bolt is used, a pilot hole should be drilled 
to help prevent splitting of the wood.  As my ole wood shop teacher used to 
say: "Only the spiral threads hold."

  My friend Corky had several of his heavy mercury vapor ceiling lights fall 
to the floor..After the second one, we took them all down.  Lag bolts had 
been used.

  Hope ya'll check yours and maybe prevent a pretty good headache.

  Best Regards,
  RickinMt.

 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 05:09:05 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:09:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
References: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282143020.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c6cb63$ed8bf0d0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Great idea Andrew, I will pursue this.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed


> Paul,
> You need to get an unloader for the compressor, one for any gas powered
> compressor should work as long as it flows enough air.
> Andrew.
> 
>>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 05:16:17 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:16:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F424B9.3050100@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <004801c6cb64$ee715250$240110ac@PAUL2>

Wow!, exciting news Curt. I will anxiously await the arrival of the pictures 
and if it is the right arm I will began the search for the owner. Thanks for 
the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Paul,
> It's funny you should mention this. There was a Stover at Baraboo with the 
> latchout you are needing. I took several pictures and in the next day or 
> two I'll get the Baraboo and Portland pictures posted. I think it will 
> help you out.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 29 05:34:01 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:34:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <003b01c6cb67$6919b400$c641693a@domain.invalid>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug 29 06:00:45 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:00:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] testagain
Message-ID: <00a301c6cb6b$25598200$c641693a@domain.invalid>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsengns at optusnet.com.au 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 29 05:58:15 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:58:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <003b01c6cb67$6919b400$c641693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <20060829125811.HAMG2500.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Loud and clear Edd!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/





From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 07:19:10 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:19:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Enter Grainger p/n 3X818 on page
<http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml>

Unloader pilot valve is adjustable and will monitor tank pressure 
sending a high signal when pressure is reached. The old compressor you 
are using has a manual mechanical unloader I'm guessing. You can tie a 
small air cylinder to the mechanical unloader and let the 3X818 valve 
operate the small air cylinder on and off to unload and load the 
compressor.

Is it a Curtis compressor?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 07:21:39 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:21:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F44D73.3080303@imc-group.com>

Paul,
BTW I have a nice, large Curtis air compressor if you are interested. I 
was going to do the same project you are comsidering, but have other 
projects in mind now. Have pictures if you are interested. It's in real 
nice shape and you can still see the hone marks in the bore!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

>Looking to communicate with someone who has built an old air compressor using an old belt driven compressor run by a hit and miss engine. I have the old belt driven compressor and the engine but need some help designing the unit so that it will  unload at a certain high pressure and then load back up when the pressure drops to a set low point.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Aug 29 07:58:51 2006
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <004801c6cb64$ee715250$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul

The engine that Curt is refering to has made the show circuit here in the
midwest... Stover Reunion Freeport,IL (from what I heard)- Franklin
Grove,IL - Sycamore, IL - Baraboo, IL.  It shows a repair and I don't know
if it was original or a home made one.

The owners were from Arizona, but I don't know their name.


Pic:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg

Steve

--- Paul Maples <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Wow!, exciting news Curt. I will anxiously await the arrival of the
pictures and if it is the right arm I will began the search for the owner.
Thanks for the help.

Paul
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part

Paul,
It's funny you should mention this. There was a Stover at Baraboo with the
latchout you are needing. I took several pictures and in the next day or
two I'll get the Baraboo and Portland pictures posted. I think it will
help you out.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Aug 29 08:12:36 2006
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:12:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060829111010.01b676c0@mail.alltel.net>


>Unloader pilot valve is adjustable and will monitor tank pressure sending 
>a high signal when pressure is reached. The old compressor you are using 
>has a manual mechanical unloader I'm guessing. You can tie a small air 
>cylinder to the mechanical unloader and let the 3X818 valve operate the 
>small air cylinder on and off to unload and load the compressor.
>Is it a Curtis compressor?
>Curt Holland

Hi Paul,
         I'm not sure that I'd trust the advice of anyone who left a new 
(BIG) blue tarp, his cooler and his son's hoody at Portland
                 Dave
PS, Curt, I'll bring your "stuff" to Cotton Ginning!  



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 09:10:01 2006
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:10:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F17878A0A4A25D276DA9C1B95390@phx.gbl>


Paul. Kenny Wolf had two Stovers at Portland and one had the lock on it! 
Steve

>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:43 -0500
>
>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>right latch arm I need:
>
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of the 
>head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer and 
>he was involved in her care.
>
>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
>please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 09:18:17 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:18:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
In-Reply-To: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44F468C9.6050304@imc-group.com>

It's a small, small world isn't it Steve!
Curt

Steve Barr wrote:

>Paul
>
>The engine that Curt is refering to has made the show circuit here in the
>midwest... Stover Reunion Freeport,IL (from what I heard)- Franklin
>Grove,IL - Sycamore, IL - Baraboo, IL.  It shows a repair and I don't know
>if it was original or a home made one.
>
>The owners were from Arizona, but I don't know their name.
>
>
>Pic:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg
>
>Steve
>
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 09:24:53 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:24:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hit & Miss Engine Air Compressor Design Needed
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060829111010.01b676c0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <00e501c6cb0f$f411e800$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F44CDE.3070000@imc-group.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20060829111010.01b676c0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <44F46A55.8050604@imc-group.com>

Dave,
Thank you very much for rescuing these items. Apparently Devin relocated 
the cooler from our tarp area during the great International beer 
tasting event. As to the blue tarp and hoodie, well CRS has gotten ahold!
See what happens when Missy is not around?
Curt

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>> Unloader pilot valve is adjustable and will monitor tank pressure 
>> sending a high signal when pressure is reached. The old compressor 
>> you are using has a manual mechanical unloader I'm guessing. You can 
>> tie a small air cylinder to the mechanical unloader and let the 3X818 
>> valve operate the small air cylinder on and off to unload and load 
>> the compressor.
>> Is it a Curtis compressor?
>> Curt Holland
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>         I'm not sure that I'd trust the advice of anyone who left a 
> new (BIG) blue tarp, his cooler and his son's hoody at Portland
>                 Dave
> PS, Curt, I'll bring your "stuff" to Cotton Ginning! 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From shop at cccomm.net  Tue Aug 29 10:40:50 2006
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:40:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <014301c6cb92$451d9c30$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>

Would a Stover "Freeport" have the same arm?
I know someone that has one and I can take photos if that is what you're 
looking for.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
> (Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
> who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
> right latch arm I need:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
> I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of 
> the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer 
> and he was involved in her care.
>
> If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
> please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 11:15:32 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:15:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <009101c6caf8$72412550$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<014301c6cb92$451d9c30$6401a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
Message-ID: <008501c6cb97$1e4a16b0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Dave I would love to see the pictures if you would be so kind as to take 
them for me.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Ernst" <shop at cccomm.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Would a Stover "Freeport" have the same arm?
> I know someone that has one and I can take photos if that is what you're 
> looking for.
> Dave
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 11:40:57 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:40:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>

Hello John,

Thanks so much for the information but if the pictures below is the engine 
everyone is talking about then the latch arm is the wrong one for my engine.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg

Here is an actual picture of the head on my engine that is missing the latch 
arm, note that the pivot pin that the missing arm will pivot on is located 
at one end of the head and not in the center:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/2456860120049103604XiXPmT
http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/2690034210049103604gnGyUt

John this is why I feel the arm must be of the design shown on this Stover 
head:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh

Have you ever seen a Stover head with this design latch arm on it? I have 
been told that this latch arm was on a Model W or T Stover.

Thanks for all of the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John" <cjclem at sysim.net>
To: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Stover engine


> Paul, The Frreport engine ( Stover) pictured on the list by Curt &
> Steve Barr is owned by Gene & Betty DeCamp od Cottonwood,AZ. I spoke
> with them at Baraboo<Wis show & they had engine there. They were going
> home after that show,  no email so call them evening maybe. Here is
> info:Eugene Decamp
> 646 N Ocotillo St
> Cottonwood, AZ 86326-8006
> (928) 634-2740
> Glad to help you out.  John in MN
>
>
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Aug 29 11:54:04 2006
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:54:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <BAY108-F17878A0A4A25D276DA9C1B95390@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002501c6cb9c$7ff1af40$336d4b47@mikecomp>

That's what started this thread, I sent paul the pics when I got home!

MR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


>
> Paul. Kenny Wolf had two Stovers at Portland and one had the lock on it! 
> Steve
>
>>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
>>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:43 -0500
>>
>>Folks a couple of years ago I tried in vain to find a Intake Lock Out arm 
>>(Sometime called a fuel saver) for my 1905 Stover and never found anyone 
>>who had the right latch. This picture represents what I believe is the 
>>right latch arm I need:
>>
>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>>
>>I was never able to get back to the man who had sent me this picture of 
>>the head that he had, he lived out West somewhere and his wife had cancer 
>>and he was involved in her care.
>>
>>If anyone has seen a latch like this on an early Stover engine or has one 
>>please contact me. I have been searching for years for the right latch.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Paul
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug 29 12:20:30 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] RE: Need Portland Update - Star Spangled Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20060826054250.ZWWP29999.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608291516210.68809@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

To fully appreciate the Star Spangled Eclipse you need to read the "rest
of the story" from Portland 2005.  8-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> I think I have been struck blind by one of your photos Steve:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006Portland/47.jpg
> I was thinking I should repaint one of my Eclipses to match!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 13:13:54 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net>
	<00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com>

Paul,
???? Didn't Edd Payne already send you the information on this?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Paul Maples wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> Thanks so much for the information but if the pictures below is the 
> engine everyone is talking about then the latch arm is the wrong one 
> for my engine.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/30.jpg 
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2006FranklinGrove/31.jpg 
>
>
> Here is an actual picture of the head on my engine that is missing the 
> latch arm, note that the pivot pin that the missing arm will pivot on 
> is located at one end of the head and not in the center:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/2456860120049103604XiXPmT
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/163076625/2690034210049103604gnGyUt
>
> John this is why I feel the arm must be of the design shown on this 
> Stover head:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87694314/1088097993049103604waQDjh
>
> Have you ever seen a Stover head with this design latch arm on it? I 
> have been told that this latch arm was on a Model W or T Stover.
>
> Thanks for all of the help.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <cjclem at sysim.net>
> To: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:07 PM
> Subject: Stover engine
>
>
>> Paul, The Frreport engine ( Stover) pictured on the list by Curt &
>> Steve Barr is owned by Gene & Betty DeCamp od Cottonwood,AZ. I spoke
>> with them at Baraboo<Wis show & they had engine there. They were going
>> home after that show,  no email so call them evening maybe. Here is
>> info:Eugene Decamp
>> 646 N Ocotillo St
>> Cottonwood, AZ 86326-8006
>> (928) 634-2740
>> Glad to help you out.  John in MN
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 13:32:09 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:32:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>

Not sure I know what you are talking about Curt in regards to Ed Payne. Can 
you bring me up to speed?

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine


> Paul,
> ???? Didn't Edd Payne already send you the information on this?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> 



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 14:17:28 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:17:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com>
	<00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>

Paul,
My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead and 
it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I took at 
Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't recall for whom 
now.....
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
Curt

Paul Maples wrote:

> Not sure I know what you are talking about Curt in regards to Ed 
> Payne. Can you bring me up to speed?
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
>
>
>> Paul,
>> ???? Didn't Edd Payne already send you the information on this?
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>>
>>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Aug 29 14:30:48 2006
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:30:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] IHC cooling tank
Message-ID: <007201c6cbb2$6edd4550$c2cce150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi guys,
          I'm looking for the dimensions for a cooling tank and cone screen for a 3hp vertical famous.

        Thanks in advance ,  Craig in Scotland

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 15:10:57 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:10:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com><00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01c6cbb8$01ca3d50$240110ac@PAUL2>

No problem Curt, I was just confused as I had not heard from Ed Payne during 
this last thread regarding me trying to find the proper latch arm for my 
Stover.

Is this latch arm picture you enclosed with this message off of a Stover? If 
so, this is a design I have never seen before. I am trying to document the 
different latch arm designs that I am coming across while looking for my 
correct latch arm. Thanks Curt for all of the help.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine


> Paul,
> My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead and 
> it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I took at 
> Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't recall for whom 
> now.....
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
> Curt
> 



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 15:59:34 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:59:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
Message-ID: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>

Hey all,
Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006 
show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the 
list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone 
else did. I took SEL engine photos at Portland and they will be up soon 
too. Hope you enjoy these Baraboo pictures:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. Paul, your Stover pictures are in these photos.
P.P.S. Don't miss the last photo!


From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Aug 29 16:05:46 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:05:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c6cbb8$01ca3d50$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <1156874821.44f4824530d50@webmail.sysim.net><00bc01c6cb9a$ab5f27e0$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4A002.7040201@imc-group.com><00da01c6cbaa$340ddb40$240110ac@PAUL2>	<44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>
	<00ec01c6cbb8$01ca3d50$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <44F4C84A.3050009@imc-group.com>

Paul,
Read the reply more closely :-)
FM vertical meaning Fairbanks Morse.
Oh and I was referring to the last time this thread was discussed, some 
18 months ago. Again, my bad. Must have been a differnt engine and a 
different fellow.
Curt

Paul Maples wrote:

> No problem Curt, I was just confused as I had not heard from Ed Payne 
> during this last thread regarding me trying to find the proper latch 
> arm for my Stover.
>
> Is this latch arm picture you enclosed with this message off of a 
> Stover? If so, this is a design I have never seen before. I am trying 
> to document the different latch arm designs that I am coming across 
> while looking for my correct latch arm. Thanks Curt for all of the help.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
>
>
>> Paul,
>> My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead 
>> and it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I 
>> took at Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't 
>> recall for whom now.....
>> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
>> Curt
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 29 16:43:56 2006
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:43:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] From Jennifer Brookover
Message-ID: <410-220068229234356968@earthlink.net>

Dear Friends: By now, most of you have learned of Teddy's unexpected death 
last Tuesday. My sincerest thanks for the calls, cards, flowers and 
donations that are flowing in. What strength they have been for me and his 
family during these dark days. It has brought a smile for me knowing that 
so many had been touched by his wonderful being, as I was.
 
As I'm trying to begin to put the pieces of my heart back together, with
the 
one piece that will always be missing, forgive me for sending this email 
that will be notification of his passing to many of you, in different 
circles of friendship in our lives.
 
Some of you are life-long, long distance friends that probably haven't 
heard and I'm sorry that I was not able to personally call you to share the 
news. Teddy had been a brave trooper over the past 2 years, when a diabetic 
foot ulcer put him in a wheelchair and during that time did have a big toe 
amputated. We were determined he would get out of that chair and he would 
be back in his workshop and target shooting at the range by the next season 
change. In January-after 18 mths he went 2 weeks with no open wounds and 
we were headed for water therapy to get his muscles recovered so he could 
get out of the wheelchair and walk again. He developed a foot ulcer on his 
right foot, which had never given us any problems. In July, the healing 
started to deteriorate and it was found that he had a staff infection and 
started home IV therapy. They did an agressive outpatient debriedment on 
his foot and we were facing the possibility that he might loose the foot. 
That was going to be quite difficult for us to accept, as he was still able 
to get himself up and out of the wheelchair. He then started daily 2 hr 
hyperbaric oxygen treatments for 20 days and we were wondering how he was 
ever going to endure getting up and going everyday. But as always, we took 
it one day at a time and did it together.
 
I was always with him at Dr. appts and at home--but his final day, he was 
going to his 3rd treatment and his sister, Carol, not I, was going to take 
him and pick him up from the hospital and he was determined that he and his 
sister were going to pick up their conceal and carry permits that they had 
applied for the week before. He left his treatment and went to the sheriffs 
office with her and waited in the car. They were so happy doing this 
together and she pulled from the parking lot, less than a minute later, 
Teddy became short of breath and told her to return to the sherrifs. The 
sherrifs--12 of them began trying to save his life. They kept giving him 
breath until I arrived 55 minutes later at the hospital and I was with him 
for the last breath they gave to him. He never knew his last breath and 
would have been proud that law enforcement officers were trying to save
him. 
They were fabulous, as they gently removed my 6ft 7' 420# husband, from the 
front seat of my Crown Vic, which was no easy task. Teddy died with no 
regrets. They believe it was a blood clot to the lung causing death.
 
He and I had shared a fabulous 22 years together and on the Sunday before, 
talked that we would be leaving for Portland that day if we could still go 
and thought about all of our Mo Kan friends, ATIS, SEL and personal friends 
that were there. He so enjoyed visiting with any and all of you that would 
call to talk about engines, guns or just to see how he was doing.
 
My deepest thanks to many of you that went out of your way to keep in
touch. 
He always told me of every call, when I'd get home from work and his face 
always lit up when someone needed his help. He was a extrodinary man and 
I'm humbled that no wife was ever adored as much as I was. My devotion to 
Teddy was representative of our love for one another and the last words I 
heard, when I left for work that morning, was I love you. Be sure you say 
it everyday to your special ones.
 
Many of you know that Donnie Miller, had been apprenticing with Teddy to 
take over the ignitor and mag business. They were working wonderfully 
together and Donnie was doing great work and intends to carry on. Teddy's 
dad Calvin is still with us and his knowledge will help Donnie and I live
up 
to Ted's promises on work orders. If you have something here at our home, 
or an order, your patience is appreciated and give me a month or so to get 
organized and I'll let you know the status. Of course, if you have 
something pressing or would feel better about putting me on notice, send me 
an email. I'll be using Ted's address. Ted was a man of his word, a 
handshake and I will do the same with all of you.
 
Teddy's service was a wonderful tribute and shortly, I'll be sending out to 
all of you the tribute I read to him at the service. My best friend 
deserved for everyone to know from me that he touched so many. We all lost 
a dear friend, sweet spirit and a helluva a great man on 8/22. His life had 
been full because of all of you.
 
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Jen
 
Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri, 64137
816-763-3142





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 11:20:37 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:20:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>

Steve the pictures you have included shows the more common "Center Pivot 
Point Arm", in other words the arms pivots on a shaft located almost in the 
center of the arm. If you will look at the picture I sent you the one I will 
have to have pivots on the end of the arm and not in the center. The center 
pivot arm mechanisms are very common to the Stover engines but the "end 
pivot arms" I am finding to be rare.

Are you saying that the pictures you attached to this message is the same 
engine that Curt is talking about?

Thanks for the help.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Paul
>
> The engine that Curt is refering to has made the show circuit here in the
> midwest... Stover Reunion Freeport,IL (from what I heard)- Franklin
> Grove,IL - Sycamore, IL - Baraboo, IL.  It shows a repair and I don't know
> if it was original or a home made one.
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 18:06:45 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:06:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <012d01c6cbd0$90772000$240110ac@PAUL2>

Curt these are great pictures and I enjoyed them very much especially since 
I was unable to attend any engine shows this year. I am especially grateful 
to you for remembering me and taking the three special pictures of the 
Stover just for me.

I am anxious to see your Portland pictures.

Thanks, I know how time intensive it is to process all of these pictures so 
that we can all enjoy them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.


> Hey all,
> Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006 
> show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the 
> list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone 
> else 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 29 18:21:35 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Stover engine
In-Reply-To: <44F4AEE8.7060504@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20060830012130.GXDI11832.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Curt,
	That picture is a lock out on a F-M.
This is the lockout seen on YB & YC Stover engines (except for the
throttlers):
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/0902yb8.jpg
This is the side pivot one on my DX horizontal:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/04071703.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Paul,
My bad......I'm thinking this may have been on a FM vertical instead and 
it may have been for someone else. Found this closeup photo I took at 
Edd's place.....I took the photo for someone, just can't recall for whom 
now.....
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Temp/Latchout.jpg>
Curt




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Aug 29 18:32:24 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:32:24 +1000
Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] RE: Need Portland Update - Star Spangled Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608291516210.68809@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060830012511.VURK26789.omtas01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

It is always nice when there is an interesting story behind an engine & it
is certainly a much more attention grabbing than either of my two little
Eclipses:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/03091001.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

G'day Patrick,

To fully appreciate the Star Spangled Eclipse you need to read the "rest
of the story" from Portland 2005.  8-))

http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 29 05:09:49 2006
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:09:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part
References: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0608282144250.8991-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <001101c6cb64$0768e1c0$240110ac@PAUL2>

I agree that a good machinist could make this if I just can fine the right 
part to get the drawing and dimension off of. Thanks

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Help - Need Stover Part


> Hi Paul,
> If you could come up with the dimensions it looks like one could be made
> fairly easily.
> Andrew.




From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 29 21:19:05 2006
From: frappi at wcoil.com (frappi at wcoil.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT: Update, Border Bob
In-Reply-To: <008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>
Message-ID: <63586.67.58.204.106.1156911545.squirrel@pobox3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Christine and I have spent a pleasent day visiting the Bolhuises.
First stop was the hospital in St Thomas to see Bob. He was sleeping when
we entered the rooom so we looked over all the cards and gave Sheila the
get well cards-posters from Portland. About this time Bob woke up and
after a while he was looking over the cards and reading the names. We are
not really sure if he recognized any of the names. He seems to have
trouble recognizing names. But looking at someone he seems to recognize
them. In my case It took him a while to figure out my name but he did. He
didn't seem to recognize Christine at all. If he did he didn't speak her
name.
He still has no recollection of the accident. All he says is it seemed
like a perfectly normal day then. He is still very confused and has
problems putting the right words in a sentence. We covered several topics
briefly like the bike, then I told him about the trees along the 401 being
heavily infested with tent worms. Then shortly later he was telling about
how the tent worms were all over his bike. So he's confusing subjects too.
Any ways hes regaining the use of his right foot. He suprised us by gettin
up and going to the can. He shook off Sheilas arm. He was unsteady but he
made it. After a discussion with the nurses Sheila decided we could take
him for a walk with assistance, Someone holding his arm. He balked at
first but after we told him he could walk only if someone was arm in arm
with him he agreed. So out the door Bob and I went arm in arm. All the way
to the end of the hall, back to his room then to the other end of the
hall. He stopped at each end to look out the windows and see the
surroundings. He can still think on work out things. One window looked out
over towards another in the complex and he identified the style and
vintage of the building. But he was tuckered after the walk. By this time
it was his dinner time and Bob seems to have a voracious appetite. Sheila
says hes eating everything in sight.
So in a nutshell the news is improving, improving, improving.
He does not remember visitors nor telephone calls correctly or at all.
 All in all it was good seeing my buddy after the scare he gave us. We
will be with Sheila thru Wednesday am and visit Bob before we head back
south.
                TTYL,    Mark




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 30 05:11:45 2006
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
In-Reply-To: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

One of your pics (P1010043.jpg) is mis-identified.  The half-breed in the
big engine building at Baraboo is a McEwen brothers gas cylinder on a
Farrar & Trefts steam bed, not a Bessemer.

The picture series on the SEL Bessemer "get fit" program was GREAT!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:

> Hey all,
> Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006
> show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the
> list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone
> else did. I took SEL engine photos at Portland and they will be up soon
> too. Hope you enjoy these Baraboo pictures:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Paul, your Stover pictures are in these photos.
> P.P.S. Don't miss the last photo!



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Aug 30 06:43:23 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:43:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <44F595FB.9030604@imc-group.com>

Right you are Arnie! It was about 7:00 after a 12 hour work day when I 
was labling them, and looking at the thumbnails only, the acorn head 
looked Bessemer. Got a bunch more to label yet, and I'll need to look at 
the high res. images to recall the names.
Thanks again.
Curt

Arnie Fero wrote:

>Hi Curt,
>
>One of your pics (P1010043.jpg) is mis-identified.  The half-breed in the
>big engine building at Baraboo is a McEwen brothers gas cylinder on a
>Farrar & Trefts steam bed, not a Bessemer.
>
>The picture series on the SEL Bessemer "get fit" program was GREAT!!  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>
>  
>



From oldironnut at alltel.net  Wed Aug 30 06:42:06 2006
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Mike Tucker)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:42:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up; Now Horse Weights
In-Reply-To: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <p06230902c11b42730800@[172.21.24.99]>

Curt,

Great shots of the Baraboo show!  On the picture of the horse weights 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/P1010015.html 
) you have a question mark after the description so I'm betting that 
you're wondering what they're for.  The smaller flat ones were for an 
individual horse and the larger ones were more than likely for a one 
or two hitch carriage.  A good horse will be taught to "ground tie," 
meaning when you get off, drop a rein and walk away the horse will 
just stand there.  But back when the horse was your transportation 
you may have to leave them ground tied for an extended period of 
time.  So you would get off and tie one rein to the weight and that 
would provide extra incentive for the horse to stay in one place.  It 
was really just a reminder to them for what they were suppose to do 
though because they could easily drag the weight around.

See ya',
Mike
-- 
_____________________
Mike Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
_____________________


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 30 20:28:14 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:28:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
Message-ID: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>

I am back


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Aug 30 20:44:20 2006
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:44:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: Update, Border Bob
In-Reply-To: <63586.67.58.204.106.1156911545.squirrel@pobox3.wcoil.com>
References: <20060829145851.15900.qmail@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<008e01c6cb97$d8c95050$240110ac@PAUL2>
	<63586.67.58.204.106.1156911545.squirrel@pobox3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <44F65B14.8090501@telenet.net>



frappi at wcoil.com wrote:
> Hi All, Christine and I have spent a pleasent day visiting the Bolhuises.
> First stop was the hospital in St Thomas to see Bob. He was sleeping when
> we entered the rooom so we looked over all the cards and gave Sheila the
> get well cards-posters from Portland. About this time Bob woke up and
> after a while he was looking over the cards and reading the names. We are
> not really sure if he recognized any of the names. He seems to have
> trouble recognizing names. But looking at someone he seems to recognize
> them. In my case It took him a while to figure out my name but he did. He
> didn't seem to recognize Christine at all. If he did he didn't speak her
> name.
> He still has no recollection of the accident. All he says is it seemed
> like a perfectly normal day then. He is still very confused and has
> problems putting the right words in a sentence. We covered several topics
> briefly like the bike, then I told him about the trees along the 401 being
> heavily infested with tent worms. Then shortly later he was telling about
> how the tent worms were all over his bike. So he's confusing subjects too.
> Any ways hes regaining the use of his right foot. He suprised us by gettin
> up and going to the can. He shook off Sheilas arm. He was unsteady but he
> made it. After a discussion with the nurses Sheila decided we could take
> him for a walk with assistance, Someone holding his arm. He balked at
> first but after we told him he could walk only if someone was arm in arm
> with him he agreed. So out the door Bob and I went arm in arm. All the way
> to the end of the hall, back to his room then to the other end of the
> hall. He stopped at each end to look out the windows and see the
> surroundings. He can still think on work out things. One window looked out
> over towards another in the complex and he identified the style and
> vintage of the building. But he was tuckered after the walk. By this time
> it was his dinner time and Bob seems to have a voracious appetite. Sheila
> says hes eating everything in sight.
> So in a nutshell the news is improving, improving, improving.
> He does not remember visitors nor telephone calls correctly or at all.
>  All in all it was good seeing my buddy after the scare he gave us. We
> will be with Sheila thru Wednesday am and visit Bob before we head back
> south.
>                 TTYL,    Mark
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

Thanks for the update.
Accidents can do some strange things to your memory. Back when I was 
still young and stupid I had a bad one on a bike. The only thing about 
it I remember is that the sun was shining and that I was headed toward 
Albany. From the impact till what they tell me was the second day in the 
hospital I don't have a clue. For about 3 months I could barely remember 
my own name. Then suddenly it all popped back with that accident piece 
missing. People ask me what I think occurred and I just tell them that 
God was a bit busy and it took him that long to edit my memories and 
send them back.


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Aug 30 21:17:03 2006
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:17:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <20060831041655.WSHT2500.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There goes the neighbourhood! Welcome back Kerry.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


I am back




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 30 21:59:45 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:59:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test again
Message-ID: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsengns at optusnet.com.au 


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Wed Aug 30 23:20:39 2006
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:20:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test again
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <009a01c6ccc5$949d05a0$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Edd

Read here at 07:20 UTC + 0100

Regards


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> edd payne
> Sent: 31 August 2006 06:00
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] test again
> 
> 
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387  
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au 
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug 30 07:42:20 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:42:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c6cc42$7feec4a0$424e693a@domain.invalid>

Great pics Curt.Did you get a pic of the Thompson Tiger that was there.Al
Hann told me there was one there that got sold .
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "OFES" <ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Aug 31 05:17:54 2006
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>
References: <002101c6ccba$47fbb760$424e693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <1791.165.206.180.140.1157026674.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT
CAR RELATED

What will heating a master cylinder casting to 450 degrees do to it?
Anything bad?

I've decided to powdercoat the master cylinder when I get my project car
back from the painter dude. It's supposed to be semi-gloss black, as is
the lid. We all know what brake fluid does to paint..........

To powdercoat, the cleaned casting needs to be preheated to 450 to bake
off impurities and such, then you cool it and coat it with the powder,
then put it in the oven at 450 until the powder melts then let it bake at
400 for 20 minutes.
I'll strip all the guts out of it, the residual check valve for the rear
brakes, the pistons/cups and such, but was wondering if baking a master
cylinder casting at 450 degrees will do any harm to the thing??

My son and I have repainted most of the emblems, replacement parts have
been ordered. Many items have already been painted or powdercoated (got
some krinkle black to try on my Maytag twin!) the glass is all out and
cleaned up and patch panels welded into place and finished off.



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug 31 05:23:21 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:23:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
References: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <44F6D4B9.5010604@imc-group.com>

Kerry & Ruth,
Sorry we missed you both when we departed Saturday morning. We left 
about 9:30 and you must have been catching up on sleep.
Travel was uneventful and we were home in 10 hours even.

Work has been hectic this week as I am SO behind. Working 13 hour days 
to catch up. Long weekend coming up as it is out Labor Day weekend.
TTYL,
Curt
P.S. Rob Skinner has his bumcrack Austral up for sale......

Kerry wrote:

> I am back
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug 31 05:28:33 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:28:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] test only
In-Reply-To: <44F6D4B9.5010604@imc-group.com>
References: <002101c6ccad$7e031ea0$930cecdc@morris>
	<44F6D4B9.5010604@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <44F6D5F1.4020607@imc-group.com>

Sorry guys, that was supposed to be offlist to Kerry!
Curt

Curt wrote:

> Kerry & Ruth,
> Sorry we missed you both when we departed Saturday morning. We left 
> about 9:30 and you must have been catching up on sleep.
> Travel was uneventful and we were home in 10 hours even.
>



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 31 06:29:47 2006
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:29:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
In-Reply-To: <1791.165.206.180.140.1157026674.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <002501c6cd01$8858f330$0ddac140@OFFICELEW>

I doubt it would hurt it; a local brake place has some displayed; does
pc in addition to other services.

Lew Best near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting

OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT
CAR RELATED

What will heating a master cylinder casting to 450 degrees do to it?
Anything bad?

I've decided to powdercoat the master cylinder when I get my project car
back from the painter dude. It's supposed to be semi-gloss black, as is
the lid. We all know what brake fluid does to paint..........

To powdercoat, the cleaned casting needs to be preheated to 450 to bake
off impurities and such, then you cool it and coat it with the powder,
then put it in the oven at 450 until the powder melts then let it bake
at
400 for 20 minutes.
I'll strip all the guts out of it, the residual check valve for the rear
brakes, the pistons/cups and such, but was wondering if baking a master
cylinder casting at 450 degrees will do any harm to the thing??

My son and I have repainted most of the emblems, replacement parts have
been ordered. Many items have already been painted or powdercoated (got
some krinkle black to try on my Maytag twin!) the glass is all out and
cleaned up and patch panels welded into place and finished off.

 

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Aug 31 08:40:21 2006
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:40:21 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
Message-ID: <20060831.084022.296.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Go for it Bill.  It won't hurt a thing.   Just keep the bore clean, that
stuff is hard to remove.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 31 11:15:37 2006
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:15:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] RE: Re: OT OT - question about heating master cylinder casting
In-Reply-To: <200608311600.k7VG04t9016511@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F35DDA02357302D53A2BE2EC73F0@phx.gbl>


>OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT
>CAR RELATED
>
>What will heating a master cylinder casting to 450 degrees do to it?
>Anything bad?
>
>I've decided to powdercoat the master cylinder when I get my project car
>back from the painter dude. It's supposed to be semi-gloss black, as is
>the lid. We all know what brake fluid does to paint..........
>
>To powdercoat, the cleaned casting needs to be preheated to 450 to bake
>off impurities and such, then you cool it and coat it with the powder,
>then put it in the oven at 450 until the powder melts then let it bake
>at
>400 for 20 minutes.
>I'll strip all the guts out of it, the residual check valve for the rear
>brakes, the pistons/cups and such, but was wondering if baking a master
>cylinder casting at 450 degrees will do any harm to the thing??
>
>My son and I have repainted most of the emblems, replacement parts have
>been ordered. Many items have already been painted or powdercoated (got
>some krinkle black to try on my Maytag twin!) the glass is all out and
>cleaned up and patch panels welded into place and finished off.

Is your master cylinder cast iron?  If it is 450 may not be hot enough.  You 
will need to bake out/burn off oil in the casting in order for your powder 
to stick.  Even if it is new it will be oily.  Protect the openings and the 
bore when you put the coating on.




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Aug 31 11:54:57 2006
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:54:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000
Message-ID: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>

Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal 
fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name, but I can't 
find either name on the 'net anymore. Mine finally set up after sitting 
around a few years. I had used about 2/3 of the quart kit. It's good 
stuff and I'd like to replace it.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug 31 12:19:06 2006
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:19:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Quik Poly or XP 2000
In-Reply-To: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <C11C843A.28B8%rskinner@rustyiron.com>

On 8/31/06 11:54 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal
> fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name,




XP2000 is NOT the same as Kwik Poly.  It's a gray market imposter that is
not impervious to gasoline.

The bloke with whom you need to speak is:

Dale Portell
4123 Chartley Drive
Bridgeton , MO  63044

(314) 344-8881    

He has the real deal, original formula Kwik-Poly.  Buy a lot now, tomorrow
he may tire of the business.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
http://www.rustyiron.com
iChat: rob_skinner












From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Thu Aug 31 15:29:27 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:29:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000
In-Reply-To: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000601c6cd4c$f53493b0$09b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

Do you have any thing lying around like a can or box this came in? if you do
maybe there is an address on this for the company and if so you could call
information and see if the business is still in operation and then if they
are you can give them a call and see if they still sell this or if they have
replaced it with something else. Also folks sometimes forget the Better
Business Bureau can also give you information on companies if they are still
in business or not. Hope this might help some.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:55 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000

Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal 
fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name, but I can't 
find either name on the 'net anymore. Mine finally set up after sitting 
around a few years. I had used about 2/3 of the quart kit. It's good 
stuff and I'd like to replace it.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lyle45859 at peoplepc.com  Thu Aug 31 15:32:34 2006
From: lyle45859 at peoplepc.com (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:32:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000
In-Reply-To: <44F73081.9010501@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6cd4d$651aaa20$09b85904@cats4d7ae9feb8>

I went on Google just now and found this web site for Kwik Poly and it
sounds just about what you are talking about. The web address:
www.kwikpolyllc.com/  

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

 


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:55 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Quik Poly or XP 2000

Whatever became of the Kwik Poly, 2 part, water thin epoxy used to seal 
fuel tanks? For a while it was sold under the XP 2000 name, but I can't 
find either name on the 'net anymore. Mine finally set up after sitting 
around a few years. I had used about 2/3 of the quart kit. It's good 
stuff and I'd like to replace it.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Aug 31 16:30:07 2006
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:30:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Curt's Baraboo 2006 photos up.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <44F4C6D6.6090904@imc-group.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0608300806110.88005@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060901092904.0197cec8@ncable.com.au>

Hi Arnie, mate I see you let Morris touch your engine!! ?????  mmmmmmmmm
  and what it didn't go!

At 10:11 PM 30/08/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Curt,
>
>One of your pics (P1010043.jpg) is mis-identified.  The half-breed in the
>big engine building at Baraboo is a McEwen brothers gas cylinder on a
>Farrar & Trefts steam bed, not a Bessemer.
>
>The picture series on the SEL Bessemer "get fit" program was GREAT!!  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Curt wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> > Here are some of my favorite engines and steamers from the Baraboo 2006
> > show two weekends ago. Unfortunately I failed to take any photos of the
> > list engines, other than Arnie's very static engine. Sure hope someone
> > else did. I took SEL engine photos at Portland and they will be up soon
> > too. Hope you enjoy these Baraboo pictures:
> > 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Baraboo2006/Thumbnails.html>
> >
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> > P.S. Paul, your Stover pictures are in these photos.
> > P.P.S. Don't miss the last photo!
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 18:57:58 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:57:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
Message-ID: <002d01c6cd6a$0d38ede0$424e693a@domain.invalid>

This is for Kerry.Did you meet All Hann at Baraboo.If you did you must be
the Ozy who took the pics of the Thompson Tiger for me.If it wasn't you .WHO
WAS IT.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 20:09:13 2006
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:09:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
References: <002d01c6cd6a$0d38ede0$424e693a@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <000a01c6cd74$0091bf90$930cecdc@morris>

G'Day Edd

Sorry never met All and did not know about a TT but if I remember correct 
Reg said he took photos for someone, only hope

Kerry
PS. Reg is back end of this month


> This is for Kerry.Did you meet All Hann at Baraboo.If you did you must be
> the Ozy who took the pics of the Thompson Tiger for me.If it wasn't you 
> .WHO
> WAS IT.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Thu Aug 31 03:13:54 2006
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:13:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] list
Message-ID: <000d01c6cce6$2b30ca40$424e693a@domain.invalid>

Is it just quite or am I not getting mail.Love your pics Curt.Did you get a
pic of the Thompson Tiger that was at Baraboo.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au