From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Apr 1 09:43:19 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:43:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Flywheel Needs Charged in Kansas In-Reply-To: <200604011700.k31H04os014839@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20060401124319.0082a9d0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Is there anyone in the Atchison Kansas area that does Magneto work? Roger needs to give his Maytag twin flywheel a boost in its magnetic personality. If anyone has some info on who and where to go in that area contact "Roger & Lorrie Dunning" Thanks, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Please Visit The Maytag Maytag Multi-Motor parts Collectors Club at Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 9 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 1 09:25:03 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:25:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER Message-ID: $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER Item number: 7603090176 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: smutz(1392) Sold for: US $76.00 From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Apr 1 12:14:01 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:14:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store sometime in the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to make our that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat date also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads D666. This is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake valve that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take close up pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. Any help appreciated. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 1 13:26:03 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:26:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco help In-Reply-To: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: <91d1abafef0cca92832a2f81f8d85020@chartertn.net> Pretty cool piece, Tom! Looks like you're going to have your hands full for a while sorting it out. John On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I extracted the Delco light plant today John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 1 13:46:52 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:46:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d401c655d5$ca87cbd0$240110ac@PAUL2> Tom I am not sure about your state but in most states, except Arkansas, it is against the law to own an old Delco Light Plant, something to do with hazardous fume law. Anyway knowing what a fine man you are and knowing that none of us on the List would want to see you arrested over this thing I will let you go ahead and send it to me. This will be basically keeping it in the family and will keep you out of trouble. Anything for a friend. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Delco help >I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store > sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 1 13:48:12 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:48:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: Very nice Tom!! Guess if I had any questions, I'd go to: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 and you'll probably hear back from "Delco Don." Good Luck, RickinMt. > I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store > sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the > building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to > make our > that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat > date > also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads > D666. This > is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone > have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake > valve > that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take > close up > pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. > Any > help appreciated. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 1 13:52:31 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: and this looks interesting; http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/delco.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Delco help > I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store > sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the > building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to > make our > that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat > date > also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads > D666. This > is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone > have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake > valve > that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take > close up > pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. > Any > help appreciated. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From no1djc at hotmail.com Sat Apr 1 14:10:21 2006 From: no1djc at hotmail.com (david carter) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:10:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Delco help In-Reply-To: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: Check out SmokStak's Generator section Sparks and Arcs. Don C. Wiley dated mine for me and has info about Delco equipment. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 (You may have to register to ask a question.) Good luck! Regards, Dave Carter. Yorkshire, England. >The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the >building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to make >our >that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat date >also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads D666. >This >is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone >have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake >valve >that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take close >up >pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. >Any >help appreciated. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Apr 1 19:16:06 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:16:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <20060328212700.SM01288@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <20060402031610.UAJR1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Jerry, The digital camera speeds the process up a lot. I have templates for the pages set up and a few other little tricks to streamline the process. If I was married the pics would probably take a lot longer to get online ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- >Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally Hi Patrick, Thanks - I think I should keep an eMail template for replies to your posts after shows. They are always very quick, the pics are good, the pages load fast (even on my dialup). Does your wife sit next to you with a Laptop on the way home so that everything is ready to upload as soon as you get home ? You get the pages up so fast - I often wonder ! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Apr 1 20:16:02 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:16:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER References: Message-ID: <003501c6560c$27ec1f20$bd161941@pengy> Yeah for sure. I would cast you new ones all day long for closer to $7.60 each, not $76. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER > $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER > Item number: 7603090176 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: smutz(1392) > Sold for: US $76.00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Sat Apr 1 20:34:47 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:34:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Falk Piston Core Box, Piston Pattern and Rocker Arm Patterns update. Message-ID: <001c01c6560e$c64d3f80$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi all I have been able to spend a little more time on my pattern making project; I'm finally ready for paint and to get these sent off to Rick Rowlands at the Tod Engine Works. I have put a few more pictures up on my Web Shots page if anyone would like to have a look. I will try to take a few more after they are painted, have the castings numbers and locaters installed. Piston & Core Box; Last 11 pictures http://community.webshots.com/album/547573772SETaSd Rocker arms; Last 11 pictures http://community.webshots.com/album/548384271MxhLtk Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 1 21:22:08 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:22:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER In-Reply-To: <003501c6560c$27ec1f20$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <20060402052212.3F7499B41B@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Rick, Please contact me off list, I need 10 Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER Yeah for sure. I would cast you new ones all day long for closer to $7.60 each, not $76. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER > $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER > Item number: 7603090176 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: smutz(1392) > Sold for: US $76.00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bmvid at snet.net Sun Apr 2 05:21:16 2006 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:21:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Delco help In-Reply-To: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: <442FC1BC.8040406@snet.net> Hi Tom: I have some Delco info on my web site that might help: http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/Delco/index.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/Delco/1.pdf The pdf file lists 2-1/2KV 110volt wiring diagrams and troubleshooting procedures starting on page 65. I think they are similar to your unit. The pdf file is quite large and will take a while to download if you don't have broadband. I agree with Rick, Delco Don is the expert on these things I'm not sure what happened to Dr. Delco. Hope this helps Mick Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the > building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to make our > that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat date > also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads D666. This > is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone > have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake valve > that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take close up > pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. Any > help appreciated. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 05:54:35 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:54:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <1f1.4d31e4d0.3161238b@aol.com> In a message dated 4/1/2006 6:11:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << and knowing that none of us on the List would want to see you arrested over this thing I will let you go ahead and send it to me. >> Paul, Living on my wife's family farm of 375 acres gives me plenty of hiding spaces so I am good for a while. Also boxer dog keeps undesirables at bay too. But, things happen so will keep your offer in mind! Thanks, Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 06:21:50 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:21:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <368.fa632e.316129ee@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2006 8:40:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bmvid at snet.net writes: << I'm not sure what happened to Dr. Delco. >> It is my understanding that Dr. Delco sold all of his stuff to someone in Ohio. I have also heard that he does not answer calls/etc., any more. Not sure what is going on there. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 2 08:39:27 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:39:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi... Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading his 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show here in southern California. I thought you might be interested in the system he has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on skids. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 2 08:56:08 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:56:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <1f1.4d31e4d0.3161238b@aol.com> Message-ID: <007101c6566d$f6c90130$240110ac@PAUL2> Great Tom, sure did not want to see you in any trouble. On the bright side you have a great Light Plant with a lot of history, a rare find, congratulations. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Delco help > Living on my wife's family farm of 375 acres gives me plenty of hiding > spaces > so I am good for a while. Also boxer dog keeps undesirables at bay too. > But, things happen so will keep your offer in mind! > > Thanks, > > Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 09:51:04 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:51:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <24f.9213659.31615af8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2006 12:10:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << On the bright side you have a great Light Plant with a lot of history, a rare find, >> Paul, I just found out more history. Millie told her uncle about me getting it today and he told her that the hardware ordered one and it was too small for the mansion. So, they ordered this big one. The smaller one was then sold to Millie's grandfather who installed it in his own home. Great to know the history of the old engines! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 2 10:05:31 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:05:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> Larry, Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out that set up, Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy (I fit in the latter category). Just curious, do you (or Rob if you're listening) know what the HP is on the GSM? It looks considerably bigger than my 6 but not as big as the 15. I'm guessing its about an 8 or 10. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Larry Evans wrote: > Hi... > > Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading > his 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show > here in southern California. I thought you might be interested in the > system he has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on > skids. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 2 10:41:45 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:41:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <24f.9213659.31615af8@aol.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c6567c$b67ce650$240110ac@PAUL2> Tom any chance of you getting the one that Mille's grandfather had? This would be a real bonanza. Paul > Paul, > > I just found out more history. Millie told her uncle about me getting it > today and he told her that the hardware ordered one and it was too small > for the > mansion. So, they ordered this big one. The smaller one was then sold to > Millie's grandfather who installed it in his own home. Great to know the > history > of the old engines! > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 2 12:29:37 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:29:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <020801c6568b$c9066440$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out > that set up, Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy > (I fit in the latter category). Hi Tommy, It would probably be a toss up as to who is the worst. Luckily we both have good looks and charm to offset the laziness. That setup is the simplest I could come up with while maintaining an "on the ground" look. We still have a couple hunks of iron where we use rollers. It's not all that difficult to use rollers, but it's inconvenient if you're working by yourself. The wheel setup that Larry photographed is easy for one person to operate. The Goold is an eight-ball, built in 1908. Craig P. did a spray/turn/ring job on the piston last year, and she's now as sweet as you'd want an engine to be. Is your 15 a sideshaft? Somehow I got the impression that you have a SS GS&M. I've never been able to eyeball one of those in person. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 2 12:58:19 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:58:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <020801c6568b$c9066440$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <020801c6568b$c9066440$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <44302CDB.3050307@scrtc.com> No, my 15 is just like yours except its a portable on trucks (won't have to load it like you do yours). I've got a 3 HP tank cooled that looks like yours and the 6 does as well. I have a GSM Sideshaft but its a 22 HP, 2 cylinder opposed. Never had it going as it needs some TLC. Its in my "one of these days" side of the shed. I don't know if I have a photo of it or not but will look and see and if so, I'll send it to you. Its the only hopper cooled of the lot. If you look on page 212 of Wendel's BYB, you'll see the 2 cylinder opposed. The one in his photo is tank cooled however. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Rob Skinner wrote: >>Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out >>that set up, Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy >>(I fit in the latter category). >> >> > >Hi Tommy, >It would probably be a toss up as to who is the worst. >Luckily we both have good looks and charm to offset the >laziness. That setup is the simplest I could come up with >while maintaining an "on the ground" look. We still have a >couple hunks of iron where we use rollers. It's not all >that difficult to use rollers, but it's inconvenient if >you're working by yourself. The wheel setup that Larry >photographed is easy for one person to operate. > >The Goold is an eight-ball, built in 1908. Craig P. did a >spray/turn/ring job on the piston last year, and she's now >as sweet as you'd want an engine to be. > >Is your 15 a sideshaft? Somehow I got the impression that >you have a SS GS&M. I've never been able to eyeball one of >those in person. > >Rob > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 2 13:00:25 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402125704.053d0ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 10:05 AM 4/2/2006, you wrote: >Larry, > Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out that set up, > Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy (I fit in the latter > category). Just curious, do you (or Rob if you're listening) know what > the HP is on the GSM? It looks considerably bigger than my 6 but not as > big as the 15. I'm guessing its about an 8 or 10. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Tommy, It is 8 HP. and I am pretty sure Rob might fit in both categories which makes for great efficiency in many endeavors. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 2 15:08:50 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Brad Soward Message-ID: <005901c656a2$09776c70$1efe8790@ogborneuah38i3> Brad .........could you please get in touch with me. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 2 15:13:36 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:13:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007501c656a2$b38de770$1efe8790@ogborneuah38i3> Larry and Rob ...that set up looks so safe and relatively easy ,some times I can't look when I see large engines unloaded and the reverse! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading > Hi... > > Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading his > 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show here in > southern California. I thought you might be interested in the system he > has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on skids. Take > a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 2 15:16:48 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:16:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hacksaw blades Message-ID: <007c01c656a3$26169530$1efe8790@ogborneuah38i3> Hand Hacksaw blades are an expensive consumable now days . I still, when available use Eclipse [probably made in China]. The question arises.........after use should the frame tension be eased off or doesn't it matter? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 16:55:14 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:55:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <344.14a2092.3161be62@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2006 2:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << any chance of you getting the one that Mille's grandfather had >> Paul, Long gone as is the one on her farm too. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From yostsw at atis.net Sun Apr 2 18:43:09 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WV engines References: <20060311135437.85183.qmail@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> <200604022133110265.0FA50556@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> Hey folks Just a quick update. Steve Sewell, his son John, the two sellers and I spent the day in the WV hills checking up on the three engines. Steve will be operating the equipment and will be hauling Brice's engine for him so he wanted to the lay of the land and scope the situation out for the extraction at the end of the month. While a day spent in the WV mountains is always a good day, things didn't go too well. It started with me getting my truck stuck and then got progressively worse from there. Apparently a scrap cutter made off with my engine! The owners of the engine, Vertis and Bob, lost a bed plate, flywheel and crankshaft too. To make matters worse, loggers cut down trees around Luke's engine and piled the slash in front of it. This slash pile and fallen trees will require renting the excavator with a "thumb" or a bulldozer instead. The only good news was that Brice's engine is still there , unmolested and in good shape and now there is a road to it. Unfortunately, this project beginning to look like a non-starter. I certainly am abandoning the deal since my engine is gone, but I will still provide project management and coordination if Brice and Luke want to move forward. Brice is disinclined but I haven't spoken with Luke yet. I have to speak with Luke off-line and then all three can arrive at a decision. I'll keep everyone informed. You win some and lose some, Spencer From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 2 19:17:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:17:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WV engines In-Reply-To: <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <20060311135437.85183.qmail@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> <200604022133110265.0FA50556@heavyiron.atis.net> <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402221722.0ddc1270@mail.alltel.net> Hi Spencer, There is a BIG difference between "engine sellers" and engine collectors! the former will screw you and the latter will try to help you. The right engine for you will show up--we just have to keep looking! Dave At 09:43 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote: >Hey folks > >Just a quick update. Steve Sewell, his son John, the two sellers and I >spent the day in the WV hills checking up on the three engines. Steve will >be operating the equipment and will be hauling Brice's engine for him so he >wanted to the lay of the land and scope the situation out for the >extraction at the end of the month. > >While a day spent in the WV mountains is always a good day, things didn't >go too well. It started with me getting my truck stuck and then got >progressively worse from there. Apparently a scrap cutter made off with >my engine! The owners of the engine, Vertis and Bob, lost a bed plate, >flywheel and crankshaft too. To make matters worse, loggers cut down trees >around Luke's engine and piled the slash in front of it. This slash pile >and fallen trees will require renting the excavator with a "thumb" or a >bulldozer instead. The only good news was that Brice's engine is still >there , unmolested and in good shape and now there is a road to it. > >Unfortunately, this project beginning to look like a non-starter. I >certainly am abandoning the deal since my engine is gone, but I will still >provide project management and coordination if Brice and Luke want to move >forward. Brice is disinclined but I haven't spoken with Luke yet. I have >to speak with Luke off-line and then all three can arrive at a decision. >I'll keep everyone informed. > >You win some and lose some, > >Spencer > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun Apr 2 19:38:19 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:38:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> Thats not a large engine. Here is how you unlaod a LARGE engine!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/168877481/1168891795033749120IPSsBL Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading > Hi... > > Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading his > 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show here in > southern California. I thought you might be interested in the system he > has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on skids. Take > a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 2 20:22:46 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:22:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402232131.0dcc7200@mail.alltel.net> Yes, but the one to which Larry referred runs! Dave >Thats not a large engine. Here is how you unlaod a LARGE engine!!! >http://community.webshots.com/photo/168877481/1168891795033749120IPSsBL >Rick From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 2 20:56:48 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:56:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <44302CDB.3050307@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >I have a GSM Sideshaft but its a 22 HP, 2 cylinder opposed. > Never had it going as it needs some TLC. Aha. It's that ol' lazy gene kicking in again. Y'know, for their car collection, the Imperial Palace uses prisoners. The Imperial gets cheap labor, the prisoners learn an exquisitely rare and valuable trade. Win - win. Jest an idea, Captain. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 2 21:24:54 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:24:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <4430A396.1010403@scrtc.com> Rob, I've got a couple hundred of 'em in the building (jail) located about 100 yards in back of my office..... Engine restoration is certain an occupation that could rehabilitate..... Looks like I might be getting more of this junk going than I first thought! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Y'know, for their car collection, the Imperial Palace uses >prisoners. The Imperial gets cheap labor, the prisoners >learn an exquisitely rare and valuable trade. Win - win. >Jest an idea, Captain. > >Rob > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sun Apr 2 22:33:12 2006 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:33:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WV engines In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402221722.0ddc1270@mail.alltel.net> References: <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> <20060311135437.85183.qmail@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> <200604022133110265.0FA50556@heavyiron.atis.net> <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060403010837.00ba4d50@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 10:17 PM 4/2/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Spencer, > There is a BIG difference between "engine sellers" and engine > collectors! the former will screw you and the latter will try to help > you. The right engine for you will show up--we just have to keep looking! > Dave After spending the day with Vertis and Bob I think they are somewhere in between. The engine and bed plate were close to the logging road and 'easy pickings'. Logging had started in this area in the last few weeks and by the tracks down to Spencers engine I believe it had been taken in that time frame. Scraper for sure. The engine had been unbolted and a winch cable hooked to the far side flywheel and pulled over onto a flatbed - breaking the concrete base and bending the studs in the concrete. Note to Spencer, never try to make a road where you think one should be. (-; I've got some good pictures for Portland on this adventure. (-; And, yes there are a lot more engines in them hills. Just got to keep looking. - Steve Who spent a good day in the hills with his son and a good friend. Doesn't get much better than that. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Apr 2 23:57:27 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:57:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading References: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <4430A396.1010403@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <019501c656eb$e0add5f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes but, when they get out, they will know the value of it and it wont be in your shed very long!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading > Rob, > I've got a couple hundred of 'em in the building (jail) located about > 100 yards in back of my office..... Engine restoration is certain an > occupation that could rehabilitate..... Looks like I might be getting more > of this junk going than I first thought! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Y'know, for their car collection, the Imperial Palace uses >>prisoners. The Imperial gets cheap labor, the prisoners >>learn an exquisitely rare and valuable trade. Win - win. >>Jest an idea, Captain. >>Rob >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Apr 3 01:24:29 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:24:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060403095428.00a8f348@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, My dog knocked a trestle over and the freshly primed Ronnie N barrel fell onto the concrete floor and snapped one of the cylinder head bolts off. Not a major problem as I was planning on replacing another one that was badly rusted so now I may as well replace them all. I am not an engineer and not very clued up on all the bolt sizes and threads but the manual says 7/16 Whitworth. South Africa went Metric more than 30 years ago so Imperial sizes are becoming a bit hard to find. I phoned 3 of our local specialist bolt suppliers (one a manufacturer) asking for 7/16 Whitworth and nobody could help. I then called a manufacturer in Johannesburg (about 40 miles away) with the same question. They said "No, but could give me UNC" I asked what the difference was and they said "None" (apart from on 1/2" which has a different number of threads). I then called the locals back and they all said that UNC was no problem and asked why they did not tell me that in the first place. The one answered that I had "asked for Whitworth not UNC". My point is that these people need some education - surely in a case like this they should have pointed out that I could use 7/16 UNC instead of Whitworth and made a sale. Just not interested - unfortunately many business are going this way in S.A. today. I know these Lists have a number of members who are "clued up" on bolt sizes - any comments welcome. Am I O.K. to use UNC for the Ronnie N cylinder head? From my amateur position I think the Metric system is great because of the standardization. It seems that in the "old days" every country had it's own standards and some even had quite a few different standards - it must have been hell! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 03:09:12 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 03:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060403095428.00a8f348@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20060403100912.89097.qmail@web35406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Jerry Your second supplier is not correct on say "None". as far as TPI goes he is correct that 1/2" is different 12 verses 13 but UNC has 60 Deg pitch compared to 55 for whit, compared to design one mix will be loose and the other mix will be tight. In your case you may find the (cylinder head bolts) stud, if I remember correct breaks into the water jacket (could be wrong) but the point is with a mix of threads in some cases you may not get a seal and you may have to use a sealant like Locktight Even though OZ went metric 40 years ago the idiots have allowed UNC to become the standard bolt size inplace of Whit, most of Aussies mix without knowing the difference, If the thread was part of a safety device for loading then different threads should not be mixed. As far as the other suppliers are concerned if the person answering was under 30 when SA changed he may have never heard of Whit as you did ask for a specific type. Over here if I asked for something and was supplied with something that was the said to be the same and it was not and there was a accident they would be liable. If you rang and wanted a ford vehicle do you what them to tell you what sort of chevs they have - crap point but. Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 3 07:44:30 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:44:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402232131.0dcc7200@mail.alltel.net> References: <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060403064254.01b79620@mail.pennswoods.net> Holy pupe i have read a lot about the Tod engine but never knew it was that BIG. HUGE ONE R Fink PA At 11:22 PM 4/2/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, but the one to which Larry referred runs! > Dave >>Thats not a large engine. Here is how you unlaod a LARGE engine!!! >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/168877481/1168891795033749120IPSsBL >>Rick > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 06:09:32 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:09:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <019501c656eb$e0add5f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <4430A396.1010403@scrtc.com> <019501c656eb$e0add5f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <44311E8C.2090009@scrtc.com> Dern it Reg, always a down side. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Yes but, when they get out, they will know the value of it and it wont > be in your shed very long!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Apr 3 06:48:23 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:48:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Diesel Owners Drive Vegetarian Message-ID: <29a.89064dd.316281a7@aol.com> Hi List, This may be of interest to those members who have diesels. Greasecar vegetable Fuel Systems allow mechanically injected diesel vehicles to run on straight, filtered vegetable oil. Vegetable oil as fuel is a cleaner, safer and less expensive alternative to petroleum based fuel. 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From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 3 08:06:13 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:06:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. Message-ID: <20060403.111506.964.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, I guess it's a case of "accountability"(for the lack of a better word). If you ask for one thing and they don't have it - - - That's it. If a guy suggests something that is the "same" and it isn't, and it causes you to damage something, It's HIS fault. The customer will come back at HIM. It's sad, But I guess it's just the way society is today. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jenkins.frames at juno.com Mon Apr 3 09:30:24 2006 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (jenkins.frames at juno.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:30:24 GMT Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. Message-ID: <20060403.093053.14128.829464@webmail26.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 3 10:23:27 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:23:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? Message-ID: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Guys, The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. For now I intend to just leave this engine "as is" in its work clothes, which is 85% brown rust colored, no rust scale. The rest is a hard black material that I guess was a filler to slick the castings when it was built. You can strike it with a putty knife and it breaks up, so I am guessing filler instead of years old accumulations of oil/dirt.....dunno. I am planning on the boiled linseed oil treatment. However, there are some areas that are still darned grimy. I've scraped off a lot of this crud, but would like to clean it even more before starting on the linseed oil treatment. The area under the cylinder and in the valley under the conn rod are especially nasty. The other complication is the built in cast fuel tank. From what I can tell inside it looks fairly rusty. So I am looking for cleaning methods for both the outside and the inside. What about those large vats for cleaning engine blocks? Do they remove the crud only, leaving the desirable rust patina? Or how about putting a large round wire brush on a side grinder? Seems like someone mentioned oven cleaner (Tommy?) for getting rid of stubborn crud on the outside. This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy maneuvering around. Here is a picture of just the base. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 11:03:02 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:03:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> Howdy all, I'm working on a 4 hp horizontal, screen cooled IIHC Famous so I have quick question here for you folks with such a beast or one of its big sisters. How did IHC or you mount the cooling screen to the stand? If you have some pictures of that arrangement I would appreciate taking a look at them. Thanks, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Apr 3 11:07:31 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:07:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200604031807.k33I7hkr008740@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:23 AM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) Subject: Best method for cleaning engine crud? Guys, The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. Snip However, there are some areas that are still darned grimy. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: ~~~~~~~~ I've used GoJo waterless hand cleaner. On the linked page you can see before and after pictures of a Jaeger that I cleaned with it: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/pic_Prj3.htm I used the type of cleaner that did not contain pumice. Compared to solvents--even detergent and water--GoJo seems to be kinder to whatever paint that remains. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 11:59:22 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> Curt, Hey, a little grease and grim gives it the "original" look. Seriously, I use oven cleaner quite a bit with good results. Its cheap as well. I wouldn't recommend the dip tank as it will remove everything (at least the chemicals that I have had used on some stuff of mine). Those nice "pores" in the cast iron that now have some grease, paint, etc that give it the original look will be cleaned out and it will look like a new piece of cast with the dip tank. I don't think thats the look you want. I'd suggest the oven cleaner and a stiff brush to rub on the extra heavy stuff. Watch the oven cleaner though as it will burn ya if it gets on your skin. Especially make sure none of it splashes in the eyes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Guys, > The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. For now I intend > to just leave this engine "as is" in its work clothes, which is 85% > brown rust colored, no rust scale. The rest is a hard black material > that I guess was a filler to slick the castings when it was built. You > can strike it with a putty knife and it breaks up, so I am guessing > filler instead of years old accumulations of oil/dirt.....dunno. > I am planning on the boiled linseed oil treatment. However, there are > some areas that are still darned grimy. I've scraped off a lot of > this crud, but would like to clean it even more before starting on the > linseed oil treatment. The area under the cylinder and in the valley > under the conn rod are especially nasty. > The other complication is the built in cast fuel tank. From what I can > tell inside it looks fairly rusty. > So I am looking for cleaning methods for both the outside and the inside. > What about those large vats for cleaning engine blocks? Do they remove > the crud only, leaving the desirable rust patina? > Or how about putting a large round wire brush on a side grinder? > Seems like someone mentioned oven cleaner (Tommy?) for getting rid of > stubborn crud on the outside. > This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy > maneuvering around. > Here is a picture of just the base. > > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 12:03:37 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:03:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> Message-ID: <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> Mike, I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the tank, not the tank to the frame of the trucks. I've got a real nice original tank that I can take some photos of if no one has them readily available. If I remember correctly, its attached with a strip of metal that is somewhat V shapped. It has about 4 screws in it and when they're tightened, it pulls the screen tight. I might be wrong on this and be thinking about another cooling tank. If you don't get a photo or info from someone, let me know and I 'll go out to the barn and snap you some photos. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Howdy all, > > I'm working on a 4 hp horizontal, screen cooled IIHC Famous so I have > quick question here for you folks with such a beast or one of its big > sisters. How did IHC or you mount the cooling screen to the stand? > If you have some pictures of that arrangement I would appreciate > taking a look at them. > > Thanks, > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Apr 3 12:55:53 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:55:53 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Bob Bolhuis In-Reply-To: <200604031600.k33G058e002647@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20060303155532.00813390@pop3.wcoil.com> It is with a heavy heart and regrets I am passing on the sad news of the passing of a Engine Mans Father. Border_Bob Canada Bob Bolhuis lost his father yesterday. It was not unexpected but as we all know too well that this does little to soften the blow. I wish to express in type what I find hard to say but I do feel it keenly, Bob you are my friend and as our friends the Aussies say, my engine Mate. I greave with you. My sincerest best wishes and thoughts for you at this time. Mark "Bob & Sheila Bolhuis" From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 13:19:31 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> > I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the > tank, not the tank to the frame of the trucks. Tommy, Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking about how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is then bolted to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a metal 4 legged critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank sits on/in. I'm wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). Thanks for the help, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 3 13:44:13 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:44:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> Curt, Steve and I swear by the oven cleaner method also. If you want it to look old, a little grease and grime is natural. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? > Curt, > Hey, a little grease and grim gives it the "original" look. Seriously, > I use oven cleaner quite a bit with good results. Its cheap as well. I > wouldn't recommend the dip tank as it will remove everything (at least the > chemicals that I have had used on some stuff of mine). Those nice "pores" > in the cast iron that now have some grease, paint, etc that give it the > original look will be cleaned out and it will look like a new piece of > cast with the dip tank. I don't think thats the look you want. I'd > suggest the oven cleaner and a stiff brush to rub on the extra heavy > stuff. Watch the oven cleaner though as it will burn ya if it gets on > your skin. Especially make sure none of it splashes in the eyes. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > >> Guys, >> The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. For now I intend to >> just leave this engine "as is" in its work clothes, which is 85% brown >> rust colored, no rust scale. The rest is a hard black material that I >> guess was a filler to slick the castings when it was built. You can >> strike it with a putty knife and it breaks up, so I am guessing filler >> instead of years old accumulations of oil/dirt.....dunno. >> I am planning on the boiled linseed oil treatment. However, there are >> some areas that are still darned grimy. I've scraped off a lot of this >> crud, but would like to clean it even more before starting on the linseed >> oil treatment. The area under the cylinder and in the valley under the >> conn rod are especially nasty. >> The other complication is the built in cast fuel tank. From what I can >> tell inside it looks fairly rusty. >> So I am looking for cleaning methods for both the outside and the inside. >> What about those large vats for cleaning engine blocks? Do they remove >> the crud only, leaving the desirable rust patina? >> Or how about putting a large round wire brush on a side grinder? >> Seems like someone mentioned oven cleaner (Tommy?) for getting rid of >> stubborn crud on the outside. >> This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy >> maneuvering around. >> Here is a picture of just the base. >> >> Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 13:49:35 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:49:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> Message-ID: <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> Michael, Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the mounting bracket on it. I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >> I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the >> tank, not the tank to the frame of the trucks. > > > Tommy, > > Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking > about how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is > then bolted to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a > metal 4 legged critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank > sits on/in. I'm wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. > > Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 3 14:40:43 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:40:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. References: <20060403.093053.14128.829464@webmail26.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001301c65767$43730fe0$c985dccb@oemcomputer> I have been mixing and matching Whit and UC in my hobbies and in my work as a tool maker and fitter machinist for 40 years and have never ever had a problem.the profiles are so similar that unless you are working on a absolute precision item it wont make any difference and our engines are definitely not what you would call that.When screw cutting in the lath I have several insert type cutting tools and they are all UNC 60 deg and I use them for all thread types and have never had a problem for my own and outside work.Try putting a thread gauge on and see if you can tell the difference with the naked eye.You only can on large sizes. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. > > Whitworth is not the same as UNC or anything else , Whitworth has different thread profiles or angles. Try someplace that services British older motorcycles and automobiles. > If my memory serves the thread profile for Whitworth was 55 degrees not 60. > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 14:39:31 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:39:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> > Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the > large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the > boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My > cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the > mounting bracket on it. >I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have >one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the >bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. Tommy, That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. Thanks, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Apr 3 15:03:33 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:03:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96@chartertn.net> Oven cleaner works, but it can markedly change the color of remaining paint and will strip it right off if it's not too sound. Castrol Super Clean or its clone Purple Power aren't quite as harsh, but work well on greasy grime. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 14:07:03 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:07:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060403170431.0de11dd0@mail.alltel.net> >Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking about >how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is then bolted >to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a metal 4 legged >critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank sits on/in. I'm >wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. >Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). >Thanks for the help, >Mike Hi Mike, On my 15 HP IHC the tank just sits in the angle iron of the metal stand. Ain't nothing holding it to the stand! See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/20HPFamous/ (It's a 15HP--I keep forgetting to have the "20" changed. Dave From yostsw at atis.net Mon Apr 3 16:45:44 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:45:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96@chartertn.net> References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200604031945440656.14690345@heavyiron.atis.net> In a big tub mix one 12 oz can of pure Red Devil lye (getting hard to find with the crystal meth epidemic) mixed with 4 gallons of warm water. This will strip anything that can be striped and is the safest way to remove these old lead based paints. Make sure the base metal is ferrous as it eats aluminum, some brasses and bronzes etc. Red Devil lye is Sodium Hydroxide. Potassium hydroxide works too and can be obtained through tanning supply places. You must mix about 20%-40% more of it to achieve the same level of effectiveness though. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/2006 at 6:03 PM John Culp wrote: >Oven cleaner works, but it can markedly change the color of remaining >paint and will strip it right off if it's not too sound. > >Castrol Super Clean or its clone Purple Power aren't quite as harsh, >but work well on greasy grime. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Apr 3 16:54:12 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:54:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 1 3/4 HP. Mogul Message-ID: <20060403235416.15735627818@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Are there any IHC experts on the list? I purchased a piece of yard art, ser# Y2793 [1915].They were made both igniter fired and spark plug versions. I haven't taken possession of it to see if it has any igniter trip mechanism left on it or not so my question is, when did IHC change from the igniter to spark plug? It needs a lot of parts and I am trying to keep it as original as possible .Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.USA, 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 3 18:07:20 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:07:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1 3/4 HP. Mogul References: <20060403235416.15735627818@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000901c65784$20cf6480$f884dccb@oemcomputer> Mogul engines 1HP through 2.5HP were available both high and low tension as required ex factory.See this in the operators manual available from Starbolt engine supplies. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:54 Subject: [SEL] 1 3/4 HP. Mogul > Are there any IHC experts on the list? I purchased a piece of yard art, ser# > Y2793 [1915].They were made both igniter fired and spark plug versions. I > haven't taken possession of it to see if it has any igniter trip mechanism > left on it or not so my question is, when did IHC change from the igniter to > spark plug? It needs a lot of parts and I am trying to keep it as original > as possible .Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.USA, 415 892 > 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 3 18:53:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:53:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy > maneuvering around. > Here is a picture of just the base. > P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: > Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? Rob From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 3 20:39:55 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:39:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? References: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> A man that would state the wonders of Simple Green against the power of oven cleaner or gasoline, well that's just sad! Why Steve and I used to gargle with gasoline and spray oven cleaner on each other and look, no harm whatsoever!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? >> This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be > easy >> maneuvering around. >> Here is a picture of just the base. >> > Base.JPG > > > Hi Curt, > That base has a really nice shape. I'm reluctant to go > against the combined wisdom of Tommy and the Cloistered > Oysters (sounds like a 60's folk band). But, Kelley's deep > fryer used to be painted really pretty until I cleaned it > with oven cleaner. Now it's bare metal. Another time, > aerosol engine cleaner turned a red engine pink. > > The best grease cutter in my opinion is gasoline. Nowadays > I'm more concerned about blowing up so I use a lot of Simple > Green Crystal. It cleans without leaving an oily residue, > it's environmentally sound, and you can get it all over > yourself without causing brain damage or peeling off your > skin. We get it at work in 55 gallon drums and use it for > nearly everything. > >> P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. > Here he is: >> > 044.jpg> > > Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blufire at runbox.com Mon Apr 3 23:59:30 2006 From: blufire at runbox.com (blufire) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:29:30 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine Message-ID: <005701c657b5$5bff1a60$631aadcb@yourvrozpt3zvx> Hi everyone. Still here but been quiet. I went to the local scrapyard Friday and on the mound was a marine engine. Had a bit of a look and kicked it on it's side and saw the last part of it's name which was "man". Thought it was a Chapman engine and all the one's I've seen need to be bolted to 1/2 a ton of concrete to stop them jumping all over the place so walked away to look at a Fordson tractor back end. On the way back I thought if it turned over I would save it and hand it on to someone else. It did and then I saw the name KNAPMAN cast into the cylinder. So $18 later it was on the Dodge. At home had a look in the water jacket and saw new cast iron, looked up the exhaust port and saw hone marks, unscrewed the remains of the sparkplug and looked on top of the piston and saw new cast iron. Turns out the engine has never been run!. Aren't people wasteful?. Pictures at Webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys Couldn't find the manifold but looking at the rust on the studs and mating face don't reckon it ever had one. Anyone have any info on this engine?. Thanks Mark Pavy Queenstown South Australia From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 4 05:16:50 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:16:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> Message-ID: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Mike, Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Michael Tucker wrote: > >> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the >> large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the >> boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My >> cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the >> mounting bracket on it. >> I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have >> one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the >> bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. > > > Tommy, > > That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe > bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a > picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. > > Thanks, > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:18:37 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:18:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike I've got a picture of mine I'll send you when I get home tonight. steve >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount >Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:49:35 -0400 > >Michael, > Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the large >pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the boards that cross >the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My cooling tank isn't on the >engine but I'm pretty sure it has the mounting bracket on it. I'll be glad >to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have one available to send >you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the bracket is gone, its fairly >easy to make. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > >> >>> I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the tank, >>>not the tank to the frame of the trucks. >> >> >>Tommy, >> >>Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking about >>how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is then bolted >>to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a metal 4 legged >>critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank sits on/in. I'm >>wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. >> >>Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). >> >>Thanks for the help, >>Mike >> >> >>_____________________ >>Mike Tucker >>Midway, Kentucky USA >>_____________________ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:25:46 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: I think the best method is soaking ina 50/50 mix of kerosene and detergent motor oil, It's slow but it won't change the paint color and it will soften the caked on grease. Repeat application as necessary and brush softly with an old paintbrush. Steve the cloistered oyster. >From: "Rob Skinner" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , > "'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? Date: Mon, 3 Apr >2006 18:53:46 -0700 > > > This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be >easy > > maneuvering around. > > Here is a picture of just the base. > > >Base.JPG > > >Hi Curt, >That base has a really nice shape. I'm reluctant to go >against the combined wisdom of Tommy and the Cloistered >Oysters (sounds like a 60's folk band). But, Kelley's deep >fryer used to be painted really pretty until I cleaned it >with oven cleaner. Now it's bare metal. Another time, >aerosol engine cleaner turned a red engine pink. > >The best grease cutter in my opinion is gasoline. Nowadays >I'm more concerned about blowing up so I use a lot of Simple >Green Crystal. It cleans without leaving an oily residue, >it's environmentally sound, and you can get it all over >yourself without causing brain damage or peeling off your >skin. We get it at work in 55 gallon drums and use it for >nearly everything. > > > P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. >Here he is: > > >044.jpg> > >Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? > >Rob > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:27:09 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:27:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: AND the brain damage is MINIMAL! >From: "Mike Royster" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" , > "'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:39:55 -0400 > >A man that would state the wonders of Simple Green against the power of >oven cleaner or gasoline, well that's just sad! Why Steve and I used to >gargle with gasoline and spray oven cleaner on each other and look, no harm >whatsoever!!!! > >MR >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; >"'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:53 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? > > >>>This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be >>easy >>>maneuvering around. >>>Here is a picture of just the base. >>> >>>Base.JPG >> >> >>Hi Curt, >>That base has a really nice shape. I'm reluctant to go >>against the combined wisdom of Tommy and the Cloistered >>Oysters (sounds like a 60's folk band). But, Kelley's deep >>fryer used to be painted really pretty until I cleaned it >>with oven cleaner. Now it's bare metal. Another time, >>aerosol engine cleaner turned a red engine pink. >> >>The best grease cutter in my opinion is gasoline. Nowadays >>I'm more concerned about blowing up so I use a lot of Simple >>Green Crystal. It cleans without leaving an oily residue, >>it's environmentally sound, and you can get it all over >>yourself without causing brain damage or peeling off your >>skin. We get it at work in 55 gallon drums and use it for >>nearly everything. >> >>>P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. >>Here he is: >>> >>>044.jpg> >> >>Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:29:55 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:29:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Mine has wood between the frame and the screen cooler and it appears to be original. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list , >"SEL (Oldengine.org)" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:16:50 -0400 > >Mike, >Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to mount >the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had a frame >of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a square frame. >This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage bolts. As I recall >there are tabs on the front and back of the frame that the rods pass thru >coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen cooler. There was no wood >left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell you if there were thin wood >board between the cart rails and this square frame, or if the square frame >was mounted directly on the channels. Perhaps someone can add that piece of >information. >The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for >different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I >reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount >was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few pictures >of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. > >BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP >engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an >equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested. > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > >Michael Tucker wrote: > >> >>> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the large >>>pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the boards that >>>cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My cooling tank isn't >>>on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the mounting bracket on it. >>>I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have one >>>available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the bracket is >>>gone, its fairly easy to make. >> >> >>Tommy, >> >>That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe >>bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a >>picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. >> >>Thanks, >>Mike >> >>_____________________ >>Mike Tucker >>Midway, Kentucky USA >>_____________________ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 4 09:57:42 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, That's all useful as far as it goes, but unless you also have the details on which side of the square nuts was uppermost on those carriage bolts, poor ol' Mike is doomed. I sure do hope you kept notes... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to > mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had > a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a > square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage > bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame > that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen > cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell > you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square > frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. > Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. > The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for > different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I > reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount > was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few > pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. From skipl130 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 11:29:17 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060404182917.19574.qmail@web35313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> curt, what is the status of the castings? skip Curt wrote: Mike, Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Michael Tucker wrote: > >> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the >> large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the >> boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My >> cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the >> mounting bracket on it. >> I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have >> one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the >> bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. > > > Tommy, > > That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe > bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a > picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. > > Thanks, > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-1207001577-1144175357=:19315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit curt, what is the status of the castings?  skip

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
Mike,
Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to
mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had
a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a
square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage
bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame
that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen
cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell
you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square
frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels.
Perhaps someone can add that piece of information.
The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for
different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I
reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount
was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few
pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts.

BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP
engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an
equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Michael Tucker wrote:

>
>> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the
>> large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the
>> boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My
>> cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the
>> mounting bracket on it.
>> I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have
>> one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the
>> bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make.
>
>
> Tommy,
>
> That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe
> bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a
> picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> _____________________
> Mike Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky USA
> _____________________
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:03:20 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:03:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2006 3:10:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, blufire at runbox.com writes: << Aren't people wasteful? >> Mark, Wouldn't you like to know where it has been all these years? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Apr 4 14:21:05 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> References: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <38d37046896ee74142b011bfa384a50d@chartertn.net> > Why Steve and I used to gargle with gasoline That was leaded Supreme, wasn't it? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 4 17:11:00 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:11:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <03a901c65845$6cf7e190$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Why Steve and I used to gargle > with gasoline and spray oven cleaner on > each other and look, no harm whatsoever!!!! And it would surely solve the halitosis and Phthirus infestation. Rob From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 4 11:10:41 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:10:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002401c65813$15ad9c40$d16e8645@mikecomp> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount > Hi Curt, > > That's all useful as far as it goes, but unless you also have the details > on which side of the square nuts was uppermost on those carriage bolts, > poor ol' Mike is doomed. I sure do hope you kept notes... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > >> Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to >> mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had >> a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a >> square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage >> bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame >> that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen >> cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell >> you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square >> frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. >> Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. >> The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for >> different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I >> reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount >> was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few >> pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 5 01:23:22 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:23:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine......milk crate. References: <005701c657b5$5bff1a60$631aadcb@yourvrozpt3zvx> Message-ID: <000f01c6588a$5e1da4d0$94f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey Mark ......that bloody milk crate ,where did you get that? Looks very much like a Chapman but I don't doubt your vision.BTW.........You should have sent your email on the 1st April! ----- Original Message ----- From: "blufire" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine > Hi everyone. > > Still here but been quiet. > I went to the local scrapyard Friday and on the mound was a marine engine. > Had a bit of a look and kicked it on it's side and saw the last part of > it's name which was "man". Thought it was a Chapman engine and all the > one's I've seen need to be bolted to 1/2 a ton of concrete to stop them > jumping all over the place so walked away to look at a Fordson tractor > back end. On the way back I thought if it turned over I would save it and > hand it on to someone else. It did and then I saw the name KNAPMAN cast > into the cylinder. So $18 later it was on the Dodge. At home had a look in > the water jacket and saw new cast iron, looked up the exhaust port and saw > hone marks, unscrewed the remains of the sparkplug and looked on top of > the piston and saw new cast iron. > > Turns out the engine has never been run!. Aren't people wasteful?. > > Pictures at Webshots > http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys > > Couldn't find the manifold but looking at the rust on the studs and mating > face don't reckon it ever had one. > > Anyone have any info on this engine?. > > Thanks > > Mark Pavy > Queenstown South Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 05:49:14 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:49:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <200604041600.k34G04wq004536@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Message: 13 >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:03:33 -0400 >From: John Culp >Subject: Re: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? >To: The SEL email discussion list >Cc: Old Engine >Message-ID: <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96 at chartertn.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >Oven cleaner works, but it can markedly change the color of remaining >paint and will strip it right off if it's not too sound. > >Castrol Super Clean or its clone Purple Power aren't quite as harsh, >but work well on greasy grime. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA By the pictures I would bet that you already have it cleaner than the factory did when they painted it the first time. You can probably give it the linseed oil treatment now. This is a good application for a steam Jenny as it simply uses hot water to melt the old grease away. If you don't have a steamer I also like the puple stuff that John talks about. The puple stuff is water based so it rinses with water ready to paint. Mineral spirits will work good for this job to because it is a very goo cleaning solvent and dries dry to the touch. I wouldn't put paint over a mineral spirit cleaned surface without further degreasing but it should be fine for linseed oil. See ya at the SIAM show June 9, 10, & 11 From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Apr 5 06:49:30 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:49:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Need estimate of weight of KB6 weight and auction Message-ID: <200604051349.k35DnXHM094089@mail-gw.fsr.net> An engine enthusiast experienced a decline in health and his things are being sold at auction on April 8th. The below post is related to the auction. Is there anyone out there who might have an educated guess about the truck in question? If so, please let me know. I'll say right up front that the fellow didn't have any restored engines. He has a very rusty IHC LA and an LB along with a basket case F-M Z of about 3 h.p. He worked for IHC and along the way accumulated IHC collector toys, still in their original boxes. If you are interested, I have pictures. Otherwise, the man has a lifetime of "stuff" typical of what a mechanic would accumulate. The auction will be near Lind, Washington. If you are interested, let me know and I'll provide directions. Even though the sale will be within easy driving distance for me, I won't be attending because we have an engine club meeting that day. That should give you a clue. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects.? So little time.?? ________________________________________ From: Karen Estes [mailto:kestes at gorge.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:02 AM To: Orrin Iseminger Subject: Orrin, ? I need your help, I need to find out what the scale weight is on a 1991 International KB6.? It's in the auction, but I don't know what Mike did with title/registration, etc.? The court house told me I needed an approximate weight.? I gave them the GVW, but that's not good enough.? Unfortunately I need it like yesterday.? I couldn't find out anything by myself on the internet, so I thought I'd contact an expert. ? Thanks, ? Karen From shop at cccomm.net Wed Apr 5 06:56:37 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:56:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER References: Message-ID: <024201c658b8$c2259ef0$6501a8c0@Shop> Especially when you can get them all day for about $16.... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER > $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER > Item number: 7603090176 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: smutz(1392) > Sold for: US $76.00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 13:22:06 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:22:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Need estimate of weight of KB6 weight and auctionSEL Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200604051600.k35G03C8031683@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: I would check with the bulletin board on the American Truck Historical Society site http://www.aths.org/ and I would ask over on the Old IHC page http://www.oldihc.org/index.php these sights deal with antique trucks and should be able to help. They will need to know what kind of bed the truck has because that will have a big effect on the weight. > 9. OT: Need estimate of weight of KB6 weight and auction > (Orrin Iseminger) >From: Karen Estes [mailto:kestes at gorge.net] >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:02 AM >To: Orrin Iseminger >Subject: > >Orrin, >? >I need your help, I need to find out what the scale weight is on a 1991 >International KB6.? It's in the auction, but I don't know what Mike did >with >title/registration, etc.? The court house told me I needed an approximate >weight.? I gave them the GVW, but that's not good enough.? Unfortunately I >need it like yesterday.? I couldn't find out anything by myself on the >internet, so I thought I'd contact an expert. >? >Thanks, >? >Karen > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 5 14:19:22 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:19:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engine express Message-ID: <004401c658f6$9dbb1340$a6212f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Curt , everything comes to those who wait regards craig From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 17:03:51 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? Message-ID: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1791089822-1144281831=:31573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Ron Frost


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How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Apr 5 17:29:29 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:29:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200604060029.k360TbxW081374@mail-gw.fsr.net> If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1791089822-1144281831=:31573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Thanks
Ron Frost


How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 17:56:28 2006 From: firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com (benmoyer moyer) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:56:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My first engine Message-ID: Well just bought my first engine, it's a John Deere LUC runs just needs paint and a muffler. Just wondering if anyone knew if the exhaust faced up or down, also what would be good to belt to it the corn shllers and grinders I have acesses to are made for hit and miss engines. I would greatly appreciate any tips, tricks or quircks these engines have. _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 6 05:07:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: McDonald Diesel & Chapman Boat Engine In-Reply-To: <01bb01c65942$4c4df990$2855dccb@brian> References: <01bb01c65942$4c4df990$2855dccb@brian> Message-ID: Hi, Brian! I'm going to forward this one to the Stationary Engine List and see if some of the real engine experts can help you out. :-) If anybody can help, please E-mail Brian at: brianne at ultratune.com.au John On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Brian Taylor wrote: > Hi John > This is Brian again from the Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum. > You kindly helped with our IHC 3hp restoration and she is running well. > ? > We have been given 4 stationary engines. One is a McDonald Diesel and > she smokes like the proverbial. We have no info related to any (if > any) settings related to injector qty or timing. > Any idea whom I could talk to? > I have looked on Internal Fire for manual but no good. > ? > Second problem is with a Chapman boat engine..2 stroke. > It fires twice on every rotation which suggests that the gearing is > wrong. All LOOKS original. Magneto is single cam. It is alost as > though the gears need swapping over, but physically that is not > feasible due to housing sizes etc. > It will fire up, but due to the extra spark during transfer, we get > explosions in the crankcase. > ? > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Brian Taylor > Publicity Officer > Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum > 13 Zephyr St. > Scarness. > 07-4124 6526 > WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 05:54:04 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <200604060029.k360TbxW081374@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20060406125404.74624.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people. Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people.
Ron

Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:
If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it.

Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium
fuel elements around slung over our shoulder.

On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water.

Regards,

Orrin

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Colton, Washington, USA
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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Apr 6 07:12:41 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:12:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406125404.74624.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> Ron -- If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be anything to worry about. New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and contaminating the local water wells. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people. Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 6 07:31:31 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google. Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data that shows high levels are dangerous. The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically" removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be safely disposed of in landfills. The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns". If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants. There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment than will ever come out of that landfill. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste > and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys > is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of > it being dumped in out local landfill. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 09:12:25 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060406161225.15141.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Arnie. That does make me feel better, I think. This sure did sturr up a lot of people around here in the last couple days. It appears that a couple years ago this waste was considered hazardless but now isn't. This makes me wonder. Well if you should sometime look northward at night and you see a dim glow in the sky, it may be our local landfill. Thanks again for the info. Ron Frost Kersey, Fox township, PA Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Ron, Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google. Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data that shows high levels are dangerous. The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically" removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be safely disposed of in landfills. The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns". If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants. There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment than will ever come out of that landfill. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste > and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys > is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of > it being dumped in out local landfill. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-1502031984-1144339945=:14659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thank you Arnie. That does make me feel better, I think. This sure did sturr up a lot of people around here in the last couple days. It appears that a couple years ago this waste was considered hazardless but now isn't. This makes me wonder.
Well if you should sometime look northward at night and you see a dim glow in the sky, it may be our local landfill. Thanks again for the info.
Ron Frost
Kersey, Fox township, PA
 
 

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
Hi Ron,

Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of
the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural
concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google.

Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally
radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows
the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data
that shows high levels are dangerous.

The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically"
removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear
Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract
uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium
for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the
pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is
naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be
safely disposed of in landfills.

The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public
hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have
nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns".

If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic
materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled
in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment
makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants.
There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment
than will ever come out of that landfill.

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero-ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

> Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste
> and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys
> is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of
> it being dumped in out local landfill.


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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 09:24:39 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20060406162439.46117.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes it does have the membrane and there are 8 or 10 wells drilled around the fill area where the water is check. There also is a leatch water system where that water is treated. So even if they should sneak some in in the future, it sounds like all in all it's safe. 99% of the fill materials come from NYC and NJ and is considered residential waste. So other than some oder once in a while, it's good for the areas economy. Thanks Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: Ron -- If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be anything to worry about. New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and contaminating the local water wells. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people. Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-417385826-1144340679=:46026 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yes it does have the membrane and there are 8 or 10 wells drilled around the fill  area where the water is check. There also is a leatch water system where that water is treated. So even if they should sneak some in in the future, it sounds like all in all it's safe. 99% of the fill materials come from NYC and NJ and is considered residential waste. So other than some oder once in a while, it's good for the areas economy.
Thanks
Ron

Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:


Ron --

If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be
anything to worry about.

New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It
also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate
through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and
contaminating the local water wells.

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects. So little time.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
Kersey, PA
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235
Arnie,Dave ??

Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting
the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from
what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the
truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but
because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I
don't think they give a hood about the people.
Ron

Orrin Iseminger wrote:
If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it.

Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium
fuel elements around slung over our shoulder.

On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water.

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects. So little time.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
Kersey, PA
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave
??

Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it
habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was
involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped
in out local landfill.
Thanks
Ron Frost

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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 6 13:48:24 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:48:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <20060406125404.74624.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060406164602.0c2ca730@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ron, You are in NO danger. Just too many "little old ladies" trying to scare you! Where do you think uranium 235 comes from? Where did they plan to put it? Dave >Ron -- > >If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be >anything to worry about. > >New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It >also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate >through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and >contaminating the local water wells. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 >Arnie,Dave ?? > >Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting >the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from >what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the >truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but >because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I >don't think they give a hood about the people. > Ron > >Orrin Iseminger wrote: > If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. > >Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium >fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. > >On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave >?? > >Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it >habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was >involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped >in out local landfill. >Thanks >Ron Frost > >Ron Frost >Kersey, PA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > >http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > >" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 15:31:42 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060406164602.0c2ca730@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . Ron Dave Rotigel wrote: Hi Ron, You are in NO danger. Just too many "little old ladies" trying to scare you! Where do you think uranium 235 comes from? Where did they plan to put it? Dave >Ron -- > >If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be >anything to worry about. > >New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It >also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate >through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and >contaminating the local water wells. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 >Arnie,Dave ?? > >Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting >the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from >what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the >truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but >because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I >don't think they give a hood about the people. > Ron > >Orrin Iseminger wrote: > If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. > >Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium >fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. > >On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave >?? > >Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it >habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was >involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped >in out local landfill. >Thanks >Ron Frost > >Ron Frost >Kersey, PA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > >http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > >" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway.
From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left .
Ron

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
Hi Ron, You are in NO danger. Just too many "little old ladies" trying to
scare you! Where do you think uranium 235 comes from? Where did they plan
to put it?
Dave


>Ron --
>
>If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be
>anything to worry about.
>
>New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It
>also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate
>through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and
>contaminating the local water wells.
>
>Regards,
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects. So little time.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
>Kersey, PA
>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235
>Arnie,Dave ??
>
>Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting
>the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from
>what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the
>truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but
>because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I
>don't think they give a hood about the people.
> Ron
>
>Orrin Iseminger wrote:
> If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it.
>
>Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium
>fuel elements around slung over our shoulder.
>
>On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water.
>
>Regards,
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects. So little time.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
>Kersey, PA
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave
>??
>
>Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it
>habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was
>involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped
>in out local landfill.
>Thanks
>Ron Frost
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
>http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
>" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
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Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 6 15:40:38 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:40:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My first engine References: Message-ID: <003e01c659cb$21af2f40$d3d84c0c@D48VHZ61> I've got a friend with one of those--nice little engine. Here are some of my thoughts and experience with running stuff with engines. It should "play" with a 2 hole sheller. Don't know about the big shellers that you fed with a shovel--probably underpowered for that--then again shelling corn by the shovel full is more work than play. As for grinders---Depends on how you want to run it. Most engines at shows hooked to grinders are just playing. I have a friend with a 7hp economy hooked to a Kelly Duplex mill and it knows its hooked to it if you feed it heavy but for the most part it is just having fun. You should be able to handle a grinder OK. As for grist mills with stone burrs, they typically take a lot of power to feed them heavy and grind fine enough to produce meal. I think ours has about 20 inch stones. We pull it with a 6 cylinder IHC power unit. We don't mess around--takes 2 guys to tend it if you are bagging up the meal in paper sacks for friends.The largest run we ever did was about 300lbs. The proper way, so I was told by a miller, to grind like this is to keep the meal temperature down to where it is just hot enough that you don't want to hold it in your hand very long. This results in running the mill fairly slow, so you just don't get to open up the engine and take advantage of all those horses. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "benmoyer moyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] My first engine > Well just bought my first engine, it's a John Deere LUC runs just needs > paint and a muffler. > Just wondering if anyone knew if the exhaust faced up or down, also what > would be good to belt to it > the corn shllers and grinders I have acesses to are made for hit and miss > engines. I would greatly appreciate any tips, tricks or quircks these > engines have. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 6 18:29:28 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:29:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Message-ID: <000801c659e2$b7325d50$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I have this old silage chopper that I am getting ready to restore and would like to know the maker if I can find out. Also please look at pictures titled "Silage Chopper #4, #5, and #9" and you will see the opposite end of the flat belt pulley shaft. There was at one time another pulley or handwheel on this shaft as you can see the damage to the shaft from the set screw of the device being used. I would like to know what should be on this end of the shaft...a handwheel of some sorts?. The shaft size of the shaft with the pulley on it is 1". Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. http://community.webshots.com/photo/193008252/1193008953049103604vXCGZD From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Apr 6 19:53:27 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. In-Reply-To: <000801c659e2$b7325d50$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200604070253.k372rbKg016339@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:29 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Folks I have this old silage chopper that I am getting ready to restore and would like to know the maker if I can find out. Also please look at pictures titled "Silage Chopper #4, #5, and #9" and you will see the opposite end of the flat belt pulley shaft. There was at one time another pulley or handwheel on this shaft as you can see the damage to the shaft from the set screw of the device being used. I would like to know what should be on this end of the shaft...a handwheel of some sorts?. The shaft size of the shaft with the pulley on it is 1". Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. http://community.webshots.com/photo/193008252/1193008953049103604vXCGZD _______________________________________________ Paul, I have a silage chopper that bears a close resemblance. It has a heavy flywheel on the belt pulley shaft. I'm quite certain that is what is missing off yours. I don't know if mine has a name on it, or not. I'll go check. I've never had time to do anything with mine. Nobody wanted it, so it was headed for the scrap iron pile. Rather than let that happen I got it for a $2.50 bid. It is a *heavy* beast. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 7 03:53:16 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:53:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. References: <200604070253.k372rbKg016339@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000c01c65a31$79f53c10$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks Orrin, I appreciate your help. I will await your reply. Paul > _______________________________________________ > > Paul, I have a silage chopper that bears a close resemblance. It has a > heavy flywheel on the belt pulley shaft. I'm quite certain that is what > is > missing off yours. > > I don't know if mine has a name on it, or not. I'll go check. > > I've never had time to do anything with mine. Nobody wanted it, so it was > headed for the scrap iron pile. Rather than let that happen I got it for > a > $2.50 bid. It is a *heavy* beast. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Fri Apr 7 10:28:45 2006 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:28:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Message-ID: Paul, I just picked up a David Bradley silage chopper that looks a lot like yours. But then again maybe they all look alike. I'll try to get out to the barn this weekend and get some pictures to see if the number match. Mine has a flywheel on the off-pulley side that bolts to a hub that is then tightened to the shaft with a set screw bolt. Ken Erman Windsor CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C65A68.B944EC03 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D.

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 I just picked up a David Bradley silage chopper that looks a lot like yours.  But then again maybe they all look alike.  I'll try to get out to the barn this weekend and get some pictures to see if the number match.  Mine has a flywheel on the off-pulley side that bolts to a hub that is then tightened to the shaft with a set screw bolt.

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 From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Apr 7 12:13:41 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:13:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Long Island Antique Power Association In-Reply-To: <20060406162439.46117.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406162439.46117.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4436B9E5.8040806@semidiesel.com> Hi, Anyone on the list a member of LIAPA? We are trying to get more information on our Worthington diesel and there is a pic of a smaller one at the R & T 2003 Threshermens Reunion :- http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2003_reun/c/rtv401xf_2003_025.asp#Photo We would like to track down the owner and see if he has any info that might help us. Thanks Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 7 15:31:07 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:31:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. Message-ID: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have not seen it yet but is a must see for me. The story of Burt Munro. Speaking of Motor Cycles ,one day soon I hope to be the owner of a 1922 Raleigh M/C.Meanwhile my magneto is ready for the Smiths Motor Wheel ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 7 16:20:35 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:20:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. References: Message-ID: <00a801c65a99$e0bc97f0$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks Ken for responding. I would love to see the pictures of your chopper. Also would like to know the dimensions on your flywheel as I am going to have find one for my chopper. Many thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Paul, I just picked up a David Bradley silage chopper that looks a lot like yours. But then again maybe they all look alike. I'll try to get out to the barn this weekend and get some pictures to see if the number match. Mine has a flywheel on the off-pulley side that bolts to a hub that is then tightened to the shaft with a set screw bolt. Ken Erman Windsor CT. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 6 10:10:14 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? References: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c6599c$fa7aa630$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? > Hi Ron, > > Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of > the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural > concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google. > Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally > radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows > the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data > that shows high levels are dangerous. > The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically" > removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear > Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract > uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium > for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the > pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is > naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be > safely disposed of in landfills. > The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public > hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have > nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns". > If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic > materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled > in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment > makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants. > There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment > than will ever come out of that landfill. > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie,I agree about the coal fired emissions. A local area was being declared a preserved habit & the local council decided to put in footpaths to keep people within know routes. They used coal residue from the local power station for the paths. A coupleof months later someone with a geiger counter entered the site & his meter went way up. It was the radio-activity in the flyash from the Power station. They had to remove it all & use other material for the paths. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 8 08:49:39 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:49:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1144511379.4437db9337fb2@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ron, Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock baggies and sell it on eBay!! To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85! Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your Geiger counter. Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department. They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" : > Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year > the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If > it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. > From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system > in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and > 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 8 08:52:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:52:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <000d01c6599c$fa7aa630$0b4c1152@no1> References: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000d01c6599c$fa7aa630$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <1144511535.4437dc2fda11e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Sadly, I'm sure they did remove it. The sad bit is there was no need to do so. It's the sort of action that results from ignorance and irrational fear. See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > Hi Arnie,I agree about the coal fired emissions. > A local area was being declared a preserved habit & > the local council decided to put in footpaths to keep > people within know routes. > They used coal residue from the local power station for the paths. > A coupleof months later someone with a geiger counter entered the > site & his meter went way up. > It was the radio-activity in the flyash from the Power station. > They had to remove it all & use other material for the paths. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 8 10:55:30 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:55:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NOVO CRANKCASE COVERS 1 PAIR (#7607428039) Message-ID: <1144518930.4437f9128f762@webmail.city-net.com> Anyone still need these? View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7607428039 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 8 11:52:18 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:52:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 25 HP. South Penn Message-ID: <20060408185223.93E92627855@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Were a few of you guys looking for something like this? I know that this might be too easy, but it beats getting ripped off by the scrappers. Take a look at EBAY 7608266037.Good luck. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 12:48:41 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <1144511379.4437db9337fb2@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060408194841.43455.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lets see, If I bought all 6300 tons and bagged it in 1 lb. lots then sold it for $5.00 a bag claming it is radio active. I could be rich. Maybe I could sell it as a lot to Iran. Thanks for the info. I just may have to get an oil field map and do a little hunting. Thanks Ron fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hi Ron, Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock baggies and sell it on eBay!! To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85! Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your Geiger counter. Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department. They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" : > Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year > the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If > it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. > From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system > in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and > 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-1645962526-1144525721=:42301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Lets see, If I bought all 6300 tons and bagged it in 1 lb. lots then sold it for $5.00 a bag claming it is radio active. I could be rich. Maybe I could sell it as a lot to Iran.
Thanks for the info. I just may have to get an oil field map and do a little hunting.
Thanks
Ron

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
Hi Ron,

Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock
baggies and sell it on eBay!!

To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot
radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words
Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85!
Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out
Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your
Geiger counter.

Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay
and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can
get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department.
They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The
latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for
oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-))

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" :

> Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year
> the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If
> it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway.
> From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system
> in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and
> 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left .



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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Apr 8 17:48:33 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:48:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <1144511379.4437db9337fb2@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060408164531.01b5e570@mail.pennswoods.net> Arnie to bad the smart state people did not know about all that Iron pi rite down on the new 99 or they could have sold it and paid for the highway. Instead of paying an other 3-4 million to have it hauled away. R Fink PA At 11:49 AM 4/8/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Ron, > >Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock >baggies and sell it on eBay!! > >To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot >radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words >Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85! >Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out >Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your >Geiger counter. > >Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay >and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can >get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department. >They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The >latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for >oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" : > > > Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year > > the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If > > it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. > > From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system > > in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and > > 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 8 16:44:03 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:44:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) Message-ID: I'm wondering if maybe the Old Iron Brigade might be able to help out with moving something for me. A fellow in Winfield, Kansas (about an hour south of Wichita, maybe 10 miles north of the Kansas state line with Oklahoma) is buying a Hammond organ similar to mine, with a Hammond Model 10 tone cabinet that he doesn't want and I'd like to have. It's a wooden cabinet with an amp and speakers inside, similar in size and weight to one of the big old console radios. He's going to be passing through Wichita tomorrow afternoon with the goodies. If anyone's around Wichita who might be able to carry it to one of the shows attended by other Engine List members, maybe we could work out a transfer to get it closer to me. I'm happy to pay for gas and your trouble, of course. I'm pretty tied down with my work schedule and family and won't be able to make it out to many shows this year, probably the East Tennessee Crankup and Asheville show are the only likely ones. But Bo's planning on coming to the Crankup and several List regulars usually make it to Asheville in October, so maybe something could be worked out. I'd sure appreciate it! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 8 16:57:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:57:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The cabinet I'm talking about can be seen here: http://ebay.com/ item # 7403856677 (That fellow sure got a great deal! St. John, KS is sort of in the middle of nowhere, I think, and it was pickup-only.) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Apr 8 18:10:35 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:10:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) Message-ID: <410-2200640911035328@earthlink.net> John, I will be going to the Winfield Show in Aug and can pick it up for you but I won't be going to Portland this year so I would only be able to get it North to I-70 and Kansas City. I have room to store it until someone else would be passing through heading your way. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John Culp > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine > Date: 4/8/2006 7:11:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) > > I'm wondering if maybe the Old Iron Brigade might be able to help out > with moving something for me. A fellow in Winfield, Kansas (about an > hour south of Wichita, maybe 10 miles north of the Kansas state line > with Oklahoma) is buying a Hammond organ similar to mine, with a > Hammond Model 10 tone cabinet that he doesn't want and I'd like to > have. It's a wooden cabinet with an amp and speakers inside, similar in > size and weight to one of the big old console radios. He's going to be > passing through Wichita tomorrow afternoon with the goodies. If > anyone's around Wichita who might be able to carry it to one of the > shows attended by other Engine List members, maybe we could work out a > transfer to get it closer to me. I'm happy to pay for gas and your > trouble, of course. I'm pretty tied down with my work schedule and > family and won't be able to make it out to many shows this year, > probably the East Tennessee Crankup and Asheville show are the only > likely ones. But Bo's planning on coming to the Crankup and several > List regulars usually make it to Asheville in October, so maybe > something could be worked out. I'd sure appreciate it! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 8 18:17:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:17:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) In-Reply-To: <410-2200640911035328@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200640911035328@earthlink.net> Message-ID: There's an idea. Thanks, Tim! John On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:10 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > John, I will be going to the Winfield Show in Aug and can pick it up > for > you but I won't be going to Portland this year so I would only be able > to > get it North to I-70 and Kansas City. I have room to store it until > someone else would be passing through heading your way. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 9 13:16:35 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:16:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Message-ID: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Apr 9 14:11:43 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:11:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] John Hammink Message-ID: <4439788F.6010504@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks When John died last December, a number of people contacted me to send funds for a floral tribute. I organised this, in the name of the engine mailing lists, and the tribute was much appreciated by his widow, Ria, and her family. There was a lot more money donated than we needed, so it was decided to purchase a gift for Ria in his memory. We decided on a gemstone globe (for those of you who've not seen them, they're conventional looking globes, but with gold plated base and the oceans and countries are made of various semi-precious stones). A silver disc was attached, with an inscription saying it was in memory of John from his friends around the world. When I packed it up to send, I added a book containing all the tributes which had been posted on the various internet forums, with all the photos I could find of John at engine shows. Tonight I received a message from Ria, which she asked me to post to you all, as I'm sure those of you who knew John (in person or via email) will be interested to know what is happening to his collection. Dolly ********************************************** Dear Helen and friends all over the world. I want to thank you all for the nice globe you send me in memory of John. This was a very emotional gift for me. The globe is very beautiful and it will get a special place in the house. I also want to thank you for the letters and photo's in bookform. It is a nice memory to John. We never realized, what he ment to you all and that he was appreciated as a person by you all. I'm doing well, but I miss him every day, especially now the shows begin next month. I'm planning to visit some engine shows this summer, because there are coming a lot of dutch engine friend. In september Simone, Jeroen and I will travel to Mount Pleasant Iowa,tospread John's ashes. We think that it will be a suitable place, because he loved the country. Most of John engine's will get a place in a museum here in the Netherlands, I'm very happy with that. One engine has been placed on permanent display in the showroom of his former employer, the John-Deere firm where John worked for 38 years. Thanks again, Love Ria -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 15:04:52 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:04:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060409220455.BEE88313C1A@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Hi Tommy, I put Fairbanks serial numbers in the search block. That brought up Fairbanks Morse shed[Scroll down a little] That sight has your info. Cya Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 15:09:19 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:09:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060409220923.696CE9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> PS, 01 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 15:23:38 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:23:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060409222342.0357D9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Tommy #16727 is on a 2 horse "T", 2 bolt fly wheeled ,dual ignition ,cast ID plate, one inspection cover engine. The cast brass plate has several dates on it 1892-1897. Let me know if I can help any more. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 9 15:26:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:26:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c65c24$9c7c7ce0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Tommy, Denis Rouleau used to maintain a list. You can probably google him to find out if he still maintains it. According to his list dated 1998, your serial number was built in 1901. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto:lcjudge at scrtc.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List > > Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to > 1911? I have > seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I > need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Sun Apr 9 15:29:37 2006 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:29:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List References: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Yes, Denis Rouleau has a Serial Number and Year Built (Estimate) list on his website. If I read it correctly, the SN 16768 would be 1901. To see the list on his site go to http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html I hope this will be of some assistance/interest to you. Best Wishes!! Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sun 4/9/2006 3:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 9 16:56:00 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: References: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44399F10.5040307@scrtc.com> Thanks to all who have provided the info on the FM Serial Numbers. You've given me what I need! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 9 18:23:00 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:23:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: query In-Reply-To: <4439B044.4020107@citcom.net> References: <4439B044.4020107@citcom.net> Message-ID: <8486ce2a224f7c9ca0b8d14ba957df8a@chartertn.net> Frank, I'm forwarding this over to the Stationary Engine List to see if someone on there can tell you about the Seager. Frank's E-address is: fbridges at citcom.net John On Apr 9, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Frank Bridges wrote: > john: i live in brevard nc some time or other i came across a picture > of a seager engine i think is made by olds. i thought it moight have > come through here, but the only picture i have printed was on a full > sheet of paper and this is a small photo, any way i am looking for > some one familiar with this engine, the one i have needs parts etc, > but i dont see any one who says any thing about them,you being close i > thought you might have heard of this engine. i have been to jeff > hutchins show, but dont go much any more out of my locality.if you > have the time would like to hear from. Frank Bridges 22 maple st > Brevard,N.C. 28712 > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Apr 9 18:30:39 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:30:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed Message-ID: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> hello all, i got a notice from a club that puts on a show i attend every year stating that all exhibitors will now be required to be EDGE members,,,,, my club is not a EDGE member, and i've never been a EDGE member,,,, i went to the EDGE web site, and find nothing that says an individual may join, it all seems to refer to club membership,,,, am i overlooking information that would allow an individual to join and be covered with their insurance? are any of you guys members of EDGE and belong to a club that is not a member ? any help would be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 9 22:08:41 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:08:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed In-Reply-To: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <010f01c65c5c$d7047ce0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > are any of you guys members of EDGE and belong to > a club that is not a member ? Hi Bill, Our local club is independent. I'm not an EDGE member at this time, but have been in the past. When attending an EDGE show, I just sign up with the chapter that is putting it on. I figure it's a bargain, considering that I get to have a good time and there's a lot of work and expense involved in putting on a show. Pay your ten or twenty bucks and have a good time. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Mon Apr 10 04:04:19 2006 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:04:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples Message-ID: Paul, Here are a few pictures of my fodder chopper. The flywheel is about 24 inches in diameter and the diameter of the outer edge of the flywheel is about 1 3/4 inches. I didn't write the numbers down because i thought they would show up in the pictures. 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 Here are a few pictures of my fodder chopper.  The flywheel is about 24 inches in diameter and the diameter of the outer edge of the flywheel is about 1 3/4 inches.  I didn't write the numbers down because i thought they would show up in the pictures.  They didn't come out too well but i can get them if you need them.

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 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 10 05:46:49 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:46:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Columbus Message-ID: <20060410124647.NHKA14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I picked up this toy on the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/06040908.JPG It is a vertical Columbus. This engine had been owned by Colin MacKinnon, a list member who sadly passed away a couple of years ago. He had made a start on the engine but never got any further than dismantling it. I am not sure what is missing but I know it is definitely missing the igniter and the carby/ intake manifold assembly. Another interesting project. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/columbus1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 10 06:13:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed In-Reply-To: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> References: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060410091043.03bb9190@mail.alltel.net> Hi bill, There is NO individual EDGE&TA membership. You need to join through a member club. The insurance is well worth the price you will pay. It will cover you for $1,000,000.00 liability at ALL the shows you attend--EDGE&TA or not! Dave At 09:30 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >hello all, >i got a notice from a club that puts on a show i attend every year stating >that all exhibitors will now be required to be EDGE members,,,,, my club >is not a EDGE member, and i've never been a EDGE member,,,, i went to the >EDGE web site, and find nothing that says an individual >may join, it all seems to refer to club membership,,,, am i overlooking >information that would allow an individual to join and be covered with >their insurance? are any of you guys members of EDGE and belong to a club >that is not a member ? >any help would be appreciated,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Apr 10 09:08:07 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:08:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2 cylinder Wisconsin Message-ID: Does anybody here know what a 2 cylinder wisconsin engine is worth? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 10 10:38:11 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:38:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. Message-ID: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> An employee brought in a HT, IHC mag / distributor off of his IHC Cub this morning saying it no longer had fire. I've attached 4 photos and am looking for information as to how to troubleshoot it so I can repair it for him. And then instructions on how to re-time it on installation. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M4.jpg There are not a lot of numbers on it but the s/n says J4022924. At the bottom is a small number on the casting 251493 R91 Facing the drive end it will turn and click counterclockwise, but I cannot turn it clockwise very far as it feels like it is up against a spring load.. What is the business direction? It behaves like a rotary imulse mag, but the electrical lead coming in the lower part of the case adds confusion. Thanks for any assistance in identifying this and for information on it. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 10 13:32:05 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:32:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> References: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060410160730.02052760@alltel.net> >Facing the drive end it will turn and click counterclockwise, but I >cannot turn it clockwise very far as it feels like it is up against >a spring load.. What is the business direction? It behaves like a >rotary imulse mag, but the electrical lead coming in the lower part >of the case adds confusion. Curt, I'll offer up my limited info based on a similar mag (F4) that is on an IHC Farmall A. From your description, the business direction is clockwise turning it through the impulse spring. Here are some of the things that I would do to see if you can make it spark again. Removing the rotor and the dark housing just below it should give you access to the points and you can the standard cleaning, etc. for those. That electrical lead coming out of the lower part is the top post of the condenser. On the opposite side of that post there is probably an access cover to get to the condenser. Alternatively, take the cover off of the coil and you should be able to get at the condenser. Tractor Supply should have both the points and condenser so I would probably just replace both of them. While you have the coil cover off, go ahead and check with your ohm meter that the coil if still one continuous wire instead of two. After you decide the coil is good and you have replaced the points and condenser put it all back together and put a plug wire complete with a plug in the post coming out of the coil. Have Devin hold the plug and rotate the mag clockwise through the impulse. If Devin jumps and screams after the impulse snaps then you've fixed the mag! If not, it may need to have its magnets recharged. As for timing it when you put it back on, you've either got it right or you are 180 out. So turn the mag through so it is about to fire #1 and get the engine where it is coming up to top dead center on the compression stroke of # 1. Put the mag on and it should be good to go. Hope that helps, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From gkhass at avci.net Mon Apr 10 15:22:07 2006 From: gkhass at avci.net (Greg Hass) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:22:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20060410180201.00bc4de0@avsin.avci.net> I don't know much about mags although I have a Cub with one. Just an observation, and maybe wrong, but in your first picture there appears to be a very bad crack in the top cover. If this is actually a crack, and not just something that shows in the picture, I doubt that any mag will work like this as the cover is a high voltgage part just as the distributer cap is. Just a thought. Greg Hass Michigan at 62 degrees after 3 inches of snow on Friday From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 10 20:41:52 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:41:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? Message-ID: <000801c65d19$dfb626a0$4f9beedc@fred> Can anyone help with details about Hornsby Head Gasket? Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From gkhass at avci.net Mon Apr 10 20:51:35 2006 From: gkhass at avci.net (Greg Hass) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:51:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20060410234523.00bc20a0@avsin.avci.net> I missed this the first time but in picture one if the electrical connection you refer to is the threads with two nuts on them on the lower left end of the mag, this is where the wire for the kill switch attaches to short the mag and stop the engine. Greg Hass From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 10 23:13:52 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:13:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? In-Reply-To: <000801c65d19$dfb626a0$4f9beedc@fred> Message-ID: <003101c65d2f$1cb07410$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Can anyone help with details about Hornsby Head Gasket? Depends on the flavor of Hornsby. What are you working on? Rob From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 10 12:29:13 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:29:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples References: Message-ID: <003401c65cd5$0dcc7390$240110ac@PAUL2> Ken this look just like my fodder and now I know what I am looking for ...the flywheel. Thanks to your measurements I now have something to go by and I will start trying to find one of these wheels so my chopper will be complete. Thanks so much for sending me the pictures and for the help, it is greatly appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples Paul, Here are a few pictures of my fodder chopper. The flywheel is about 24 inches in diameter and the diameter of the outer edge of the flywheel is about 1 3/4 inches. I didn't write the numbers down because i thought they would show up in the pictures. They didn't come out too well but i can get them if you need them. http://community.webshots.com/photo/32992164/2217856420034927251peYswW Ken Erman From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 11 00:22:40 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:22:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? References: <003101c65d2f$1cb07410$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <007901c65d38$bb035f70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> This is the man to contact Hooley, Ray E-mail Address(es): rayhooley at tiscali.co.uk Personal Information: Address: 16 Alexandra Avenue. North Hykeham LincolnLN6 8HR Phone: 01522 682406 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? > >> Can anyone help with details about Hornsby Head Gasket? > > Depends on the flavor of Hornsby. > What are you working on? > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 11 05:52:08 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:52:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <006501c65cce$5d860380$cb712052@kim9m4f9c59gis> References: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> <006501c65cce$5d860380$cb712052@kim9m4f9c59gis> Message-ID: <443BA678.90003@imc-group.com> Kim, Mike, Greg, Rob, Jim, Ben, Craig, (hope I didn't miss anyone), Thanks for the great suggestions. Took thinks apart last night and check the capacitor with a VOM and it checked good. Cleaned the points with lacquer thinner and then polished with crocus cloth until very bright. Did not alter the points gap (BTW what is the correct gap? Looks to be about .015) I suspect the owner of the mag had removed the rotor cap and gotten it out of time. I found what I think are two marks on the small metal gear and the rotor button. I lined them facing each other. The fellow didn't bring the cap so I couldn't check the rotor button timing. I rigged up a small piece of wire off the HT cap and spinning c'clockwise can make a blue arc that will light you up :-) I tried to rotate it clockwise against the spring, but just don't have the strength to carry it all the way thru. So it will go back on the tractor this evening to see if it is working. Thanks again guys. Curt Kim Siddorn wrote: > Before you do anything else, clean the points properly by repeatedly > pushing between them a doubled over slip of at least 1000 grit (1200 > is better!) wet and dry paper moistened with Methalated spirit - alcohol. > > Do this with the points half open to put some pressure on the abrasive > paper. move it in and out until the points are shiny - no more. Should > take about a minute of steady work. DO NOT be tempted to use a nail > file, 180 grit glass paper etc!! Clean with the corner of a clean lint > free cloth or paper. Hold points open & blow on them to finish. > > That may well be all that's wrong with it. The points live in a more > or less airtight space full of corrosive ozone. When the engine stops > and the magneto cools down, condensation corrodes the points adding a > nice thick layer of restive oxide. > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M1.jpg >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M2.jpg >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M3.jpg >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M4.jpg >> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 11 07:28:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:28:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443BA678.90003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004801c65d74$3f949750$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > the capacitor with a VOM and it checked good. Sorry mate. You can't check capacitor's "goodness" with a VOM. You can check a capacitor's "badness" with a VOM. For that matter, you can't check for "goodness" with a simple capacitance meter, either. Your VOM pumps out what? Nine volts? A capacitor might "look" good when being tested with nine volts, but as soon as you put it in the real-life circuit with 400 volts, it will leak electrons like classified information through Scooter Libby's mouth. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 11 09:09:37 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:09:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <004801c65d74$3f949750$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <004801c65d74$3f949750$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <443BD4C1.4070101@imc-group.com> Rob, Gotta disagree with you mate. For years I did TV and radio troubleshooting for profit and a analog meter will do a pretty decent job of testing caps. You can't do it with a digital meter (hence one of several reasons I don't own one) but with a good old fashioned analog meter you can see what is happening. Put your meter on the highest kOhm setting, 10k or 100k. Hook your leads up to the cap using no fingers (use roach clips), it should read infinite resistance. Now reverse the leads. You should see a momentary blip of the needle with a slow return to infinity. The higher the mF of the cap the slower the return (reverse charging). While this is no way to determine the actual capacitance, it IS an excellent measure of voltage storing function, and an excellent insulator leak test in low voltage application. Since it is doubful that the actual surface area of conductors has changed without either opening entirely or shorting entirely, it is a good diagnostics tool that tells you where you need to look next. Curt Rob Skinner wrote: >>the capacitor with a VOM and it checked good. >> >> > >Sorry mate. You can't check capacitor's "goodness" with a >VOM. You can check a capacitor's "badness" with a VOM. For >that matter, you can't check for "goodness" with a simple >capacitance meter, either. > >Your VOM pumps out what? Nine volts? A capacitor might >"look" good when being tested with nine volts, but as soon >as you put it in the real-life circuit with 400 volts, it >will leak electrons like classified information through >Scooter Libby's mouth. > >Rob > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 11 09:31:38 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:31:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More patterns. Message-ID: <443BD9EA.6010905@imc-group.com> A couple of weeks ago I started on a double piston pattern. To date everything I've done was single parts so this was a challenge getting identical halves and adding the sprue, gate, and riser systems, and having all that work precisely with the double corebox. Took a few pictures along the way and thought you might enjoy seeing them. Havin' fun! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 11 10:09:22 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:09:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443BD4C1.4070101@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007501c65d8a$af42d2e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Gotta disagree with you mate. Hi Curt, It's a good thing you can fall back on your boyish looks and fine engine collection. Perhaps you could call Missy and ask her to clarify this for you. In the off chance that she rejects logic and sides with her husband, we'll have to settle this the old fashioned way: I'll arm wrestle her for it. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 11 19:18:15 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:18:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More patterns. In-Reply-To: <443BD9EA.6010905@imc-group.com> References: <443BD9EA.6010905@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060411221722.05323e78@mail.alltel.net> WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking GOOD Curt! Dave At 12:31 PM 4/11/2006, you wrote: >A couple of weeks ago I started on a double piston pattern. To date >everything I've done was single parts so this was a challenge getting >identical halves and adding the sprue, gate, and riser systems, and having >all that work precisely with the double corebox. Took a few pictures along >the way and thought you might enjoy seeing them. > >Havin' fun! >Curt Holland From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Apr 12 05:46:51 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:46:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. In-Reply-To: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au> I highly recommend it - while Hopkins makes a piss poor New Zealander the story is good - keeps you watching. Why they couldnt just use a New Zealander beats me... there are plenty of out of work actors in NZ since the hobbits did a runner a few years ago. Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I have not seen it yet but is a must see for me. The story of Burt Munro. > Speaking of Motor Cycles ,one day soon I hope to be the owner of a 1922 > Raleigh M/C.Meanwhile my magneto is ready for the Smiths Motor Wheel ! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 12 06:22:45 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:22:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home Message-ID: Howdy all; I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used for an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is way overkill for me. The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one unit. The price will be right as it was given to me. thanx fer readin' RickinMt. From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Apr 12 07:03:20 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:03:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: Message-ID: <032e01c65e39$db7c2190$bd161941@pengy> Hmm, now thats an idea. Hydraulic drive for the engine would be ideal assuming that it s powerful enough. Can you take some pics of it and give me any other info. on it if you have any? I'll talk to an engineer friend and see if this unit would be capable of driving the Tod and what size of hydraulic motor I would need. Can you get it to a motor freight terminal or load it on a truck? Thanks Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Howdy all; > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used for > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > way overkill for me. > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > unit. > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > thanx fer readin' > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 07:29:44 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:29:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: Message-ID: <00b301c65e3d$98ec5940$649ef504@Ed> Do you think it would work for a wood splitter?? LOL Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Howdy all; > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used for > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > way overkill for me. > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > unit. > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > thanx fer readin' > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 12 07:50:29 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:50:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: <00b301c65e3d$98ec5940$649ef504@Ed> Message-ID: It sure would, Ed!!! Prolly even do cottonwood or the biggun's out on the left side. No..this is was overkill fer that..besides it's 3phase. Nice to hear from ya, tho. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Do you think it would work for a wood splitter?? LOL > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > > > > Howdy all; > > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used > > for > > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > > way overkill for me. > > > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > > unit. > > > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > > > thanx fer readin' > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 12 07:52:24 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:52:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: <032e01c65e39$db7c2190$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Will get the spec's and pix's asap, Rick. As yes I can drop ship it here locally. later, me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Hmm, now thats an idea. Hydraulic drive for the engine would be ideal > assuming that it s powerful enough. Can you take some pics of it and give > me any other info. on it if you have any? I'll talk to an engineer friend > and see if this unit would be capable of driving the Tod and what size of > hydraulic motor I would need. > > Can you get it to a motor freight terminal or load it on a truck? > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > www.todengine.org > > William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine > Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > > > > Howdy all; > > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used > > for > > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > > way overkill for me. > > > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > > unit. > > > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > > > thanx fer readin' > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 12 10:09:36 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:09:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c65e53$e1a0b4e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, How about a big water fountain, like at the Bellagio. http://www.bellagiolasvegas.com/pages/attrac_video_mainpage. asp From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Apr 12 16:57:47 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> <443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c65e8c$e71ce220$b984dccb@oemcomputer> Haven't seen the movie but going by the reviews it is great .From what they said in one review Anthony Hopkins plays the part as a New Zealander OK and uses his native Kiwi accent OK as well.If I heard right he is a Kiwi. PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:46 Subject: Re: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. > I highly recommend it - while Hopkins makes a piss poor New Zealander the story is good - keeps you watching. Why they > couldnt just use a New Zealander beats me... there are plenty of out of work actors in NZ since the hobbits did a runner > a few years ago. > > Regards > Paul > > peter ogborne wrote: > > I have not seen it yet but is a must see for me. The story of Burt Munro. > > Speaking of Motor Cycles ,one day soon I hope to be the owner of a 1922 > > Raleigh M/C.Meanwhile my magneto is ready for the Smiths Motor Wheel ! > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 12 19:11:29 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:41:29 +0930 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au> <000b01c65e8c$e71ce220$b984dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c65e9f$98823940$2eca8890@chaos> Name: Phillip Anthony Hopkins Born: 31 December 1937 Weighing: 7 and 3/4 pounds At: 77 Wern Rd, Margam, Port Talbot, Wales Mother: Muriel Hopkins (nee Yeats) Father: Richard Arthur Hopkins Eyes: Blue Hair: Silver/White Height: 5' 7" Marital Status: Married Children: 1 daughter - Abigail World's Fastest Indian: True story based on the life of New Zealander Burt Munro who built a 1920 Indian motorcycle and then travelled to the salt flats of Utah where he set the land-speed world record...Tony plays Burt. A lot of the film was shot in New Zealand where it has become the largest grossing movie of all time. Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. > Haven't seen the movie but going by the reviews it is great .From what > they > said in one review Anthony Hopkins plays the part as a New Zealander OK > and > uses his native Kiwi accent OK as well.If I heard right he is a Kiwi. > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 12 20:13:00 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:13:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au><000b01c65e8c$e71ce220$b984dccb@oemcomputer> <000d01c65e9f$98823940$2eca8890@chaos> Message-ID: <00c901c65ea8$2cd41110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey Derek, Ya fergot to list your operations! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. > Name: Phillip Anthony Hopkins > Born: 31 December 1937 > Weighing: 7 and 3/4 pounds > At: 77 Wern Rd, Margam, Port Talbot, Wales > Mother: Muriel Hopkins (nee Yeats) > Father: Richard Arthur Hopkins > Eyes: Blue > Hair: Silver/White > Height: 5' 7" > Marital Status: Married > Children: 1 daughter - Abigail > From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Apr 12 21:44:23 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:44:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed References: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> <6.1.2.0.0.20060410091043.03bb9190@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001801c65eb4$f042ed40$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> There is NO individual EDGE&TA membership. You need to join > through a member club. The insurance is well worth the price you will pay. > It will cover you for $1,000,000.00 liability at ALL the shows you > attend--EDGE&TA or not! > Dave thanks dave, thats the info i needed bill boyce From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Apr 13 06:22:19 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:22:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060413101958.00a90cc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi The list, I'm having problems with the BTH Type M1 mag fitted to the Ronnie N and, being totally ignorant about magneto's, I'm hoping some of you can come up with ideas and information. When I first got the engine I did get it running with the mag but the contact breaker spring was a bit stretched and would touch the body of the mag and short out. I temporarily sorted this out with a strip of insulating plastic but this wore out very quickly. A friend (who knows these things and is not a fool) took the mag to sorted this out by shortening the spring a little. He also cleaned up and serviced the mag and skimmed the brass brush track. When he was finished the mag was producing a nice strong spark. Now that the engine is reassembled I'm getting erratic results again and the spark is pretty weak (the mag is well earthed to the engine via the mounting bolts). Justin (my aforementioned friend) suspects that the condenser in the armature is causing this problem but has never stripped one of these. I found a company in Britain who offers a "modern replacement" condenser and have written to them asking for details regarding how to fit the new condenser (does it need special equipment and suchlike) but have not received an answer from them yet hence my letter to the list. Does anyone have any info on how to do this - can a skilled person do this with normal tools or is any special equipment needed ? It would also help if anyone knows what the values of this condenser are and could tell me what to look and ask for and I could try to source one locally. I'm not against ordering one from Britain but it would be easier and quicker if I could get it locally. I do know that I could send the mag to England, Aus or the States for repairs but unfortunately my budget does not allow for this. We have no local companies able to fix these old mags. Of course any other ideas or suggestions regarding the working of the magneto would also be appreciated. I have temporarily fitted a Wico mag to the engine and he is "puttering away" beautifully but I would like to repair and replace the original BTH - especially seeing as that as I went to so much trouble polishing it up and removing the chrome to see polished brass :-) Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 13 08:23:14 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:23:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: <032e01c65e39$db7c2190$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Here are some pix's of this Elevator Hydraulic Pack. One question I might have is in regards to "Intermittent Duty," but a hydraulic fluid cooler might take care of that....dunno. Hope Rick or someone can use it. http://community.webshots.com/album/549450878cWxDRQ Later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Hmm, now thats an idea. Hydraulic drive for the engine would be ideal > assuming that it s powerful enough. Can you take some pics of it and give > me any other info. on it if you have any? I'll talk to an engineer friend > and see if this unit would be capable of driving the Tod and what size of > hydraulic motor I would need. > > Can you get it to a motor freight terminal or load it on a truck? > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > www.todengine.org > > William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine > Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > > > > Howdy all; > > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used > > for > > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > > way overkill for me. > > > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > > unit. > > > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > > > thanx fer readin' > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 13 23:32:27 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:32:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060413101958.00a90cc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002001c65f8d$34498a20$9885dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Jerry.When your friend pulled the mag down did he remagnetise it after re assembly.If not it will need to be done as when you pull it apart it will loose a lot of its pull.Also check that the lead out isn't going to ground,a small crack and the spark will find the shortest way out. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:22 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question > Hi The list, > I'm having problems with the BTH Type M1 mag fitted to the Ronnie > N and, being totally ignorant about magneto's, I'm hoping some of you can > come up with ideas and information. > > When I first got the engine I did get it running with the mag but > the contact breaker spring was a bit stretched and would touch the body of > the mag and short out. I temporarily sorted this out with a strip of > insulating plastic but this wore out very quickly. A friend (who knows > these things and is not a fool) took the mag to sorted this out by > shortening the spring a little. He also cleaned up and serviced the mag and > skimmed the brass brush track. When he was finished the mag was producing a > nice strong spark. > > Now that the engine is reassembled I'm getting erratic results > again and the spark is pretty weak (the mag is well earthed to the engine > via the mounting bolts). Justin (my aforementioned friend) suspects that > the condenser in the armature is causing this problem but has never > stripped one of these. > I found a company in Britain who offers a "modern replacement" > condenser and have written to them asking for details regarding how to fit > the new condenser (does it need special equipment and suchlike) but have > not received an answer from them yet hence my letter to the list. > > Does anyone have any info on how to do this - can a skilled person > do this with normal tools or is any special equipment needed ? > It would also help if anyone knows what the values of this > condenser are and could tell me what to look and ask for and I could try to > source one locally. I'm not against ordering one from Britain but it would > be easier and quicker if I could get it locally. > > I do know that I could send the mag to England, Aus or the States > for repairs but unfortunately my budget does not allow for this. We have no > local companies able to fix these old mags. > > Of course any other ideas or suggestions regarding the working of > the magneto would also be appreciated. > > I have temporarily fitted a Wico mag to the engine and he is > "puttering away" beautifully but I would like to repair and replace the > original BTH - especially seeing as that as I went to so much trouble > polishing it up and removing the chrome to see polished brass :-) > > Thanks in advance. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 13 23:37:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:37:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060413101958.00a90cc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003901c65f8d$d85def20$9885dccb@oemcomputer> Again Jerry.The condenser in this mag is in the end of the rotor and the bolt that holds the points in screws into it.Replacement is not real straight forward as wires need to be soldered and not being able to see the replacement not shore how it attached to the point screw. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:22 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question > Hi The list, > I'm having problems with the BTH Type M1 mag fitted to the Ronnie > N and, being totally ignorant about magneto's, I'm hoping some of you can > come up with ideas and information. > > When I first got the engine I did get it running with the mag but > the contact breaker spring was a bit stretched and would touch the body of > the mag and short out. I temporarily sorted this out with a strip of > insulating plastic but this wore out very quickly. A friend (who knows > these things and is not a fool) took the mag to sorted this out by > shortening the spring a little. He also cleaned up and serviced the mag and > skimmed the brass brush track. When he was finished the mag was producing a > nice strong spark. > > Now that the engine is reassembled I'm getting erratic results > again and the spark is pretty weak (the mag is well earthed to the engine > via the mounting bolts). Justin (my aforementioned friend) suspects that > the condenser in the armature is causing this problem but has never > stripped one of these. > I found a company in Britain who offers a "modern replacement" > condenser and have written to them asking for details regarding how to fit > the new condenser (does it need special equipment and suchlike) but have > not received an answer from them yet hence my letter to the list. > > Does anyone have any info on how to do this - can a skilled person > do this with normal tools or is any special equipment needed ? > It would also help if anyone knows what the values of this > condenser are and could tell me what to look and ask for and I could try to > source one locally. I'm not against ordering one from Britain but it would > be easier and quicker if I could get it locally. > > I do know that I could send the mag to England, Aus or the States > for repairs but unfortunately my budget does not allow for this. We have no > local companies able to fix these old mags. > > Of course any other ideas or suggestions regarding the working of > the magneto would also be appreciated. > > I have temporarily fitted a Wico mag to the engine and he is > "puttering away" beautifully but I would like to repair and replace the > original BTH - especially seeing as that as I went to so much trouble > polishing it up and removing the chrome to see polished brass :-) > > Thanks in advance. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rsrolfne at atnet.net Fri Apr 14 13:35:17 2006 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:35:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 From oldengine at comcast.net Fri Apr 14 14:12:04 2006 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> Message-ID: <000801c66008$1502d5b0$6401a8c0@cc2319892A> Poor ol' girl got put out in the cold! http://old-engine.com/nunda.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Interesting > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 14 15:19:31 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:19:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> Message-ID: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say for Christs sake say it!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Interesting > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Fri Apr 14 15:58:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:58:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> I suppose it's an ebay item.Why people don't just cut and past the link to the item I just don't know.It makes it so mush easer to have a look. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:19 Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say > for Christs sake say it!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob W7AVK" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:35 AM > Subject: [SEL] Interesting > > > > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 14 16:46:38 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:46:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > I suppose it's an ebay item.Why people don't just cut and past the > link to > the item I just don't know.It makes it so mush easer to have a look. The reason is that an eBay link will wrap to two lines, and often doesn't show up as a clickable link. It's easier to go to http://ebay.com/ and paste in the item number than to try to piece together the cut-apart link. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 14 16:56:22 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:56:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1145058982.444036a65be4e@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as you've read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. See ya, Arnie PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! Quoting peter ogborne : > What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say > for Christs sake say it!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob W7AVK" > > > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 14 17:17:56 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:17:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Would you like to build an engine? Message-ID: <000901c66022$0cba0530$3ac10b52@no1> I know the majority of you cannot visit the Anson Engine Museum. (I think the only Yankee regular visitor is Arnie) Geoff Challinor has had the Museum web page re-built & provides a very good Jigsaw of one of the engines. It will pass an idle moment. If you are a real pervert it can be assembled from rotated jigsaw pieces. I think that would be beyond my capabilities. See http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html See the entire site it is well worth it. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 14 17:25:55 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:25:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net><001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1145058982.444036a65be4e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00c701c66023$2a832f00$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Cabin Fever!! (Sigh) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > G'day Peter, > > I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. > The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as > you've > read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! > PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to >> say >> for Christs sake say it!!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob W7AVK" >> >> > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Fri Apr 14 17:36:23 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000201c66024$a0218bc0$8f128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> I've looked all my computer, document file, desktop, recycle bin and I just cannot find Check number 7609867335 any where. Help me to know where to look for this mystical number as it means nothing to me except taking up space on my e-mail program. Get real and fill us in on what the hell this means. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say for Christs sake say it!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Interesting > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 14 18:00:06 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:00:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say for Christs sake say it!!! = = = = = AMEN !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 19:15:37 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:15:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> Maybe this will help. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sear ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: R & M Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/15/2006 3:26:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > Cabin Fever!! (Sigh) > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > > > G'day Peter, > > > > I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. > > The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as > > you've > > read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! > > PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to > >> say > >> for Christs sake say it!!! > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bob W7AVK" > >> > >> > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 19:28:34 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:28:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414222403.03b11480@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tim, If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to read the description! Dave At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >Maybe this will help. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sear >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 > >Tim Christoff > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 14 19:59:32 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:59:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414222403.03b11480@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060414222403.03b11480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Here's an interesting guy with interesting views: http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0u9crejUw John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 20:00:42 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:00:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000201c66024$a0218bc0$8f128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000201c66024$a0218bc0$8f128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414225854.03b161c8@mail.alltel.net> >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us. Hi Lyle, Does this include the people in Iowa that were killed by the tornados today? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 20:06:12 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:06:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> >AMEN !!! > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, You just say that because it's Good Friday! Dave PS, Engines will be set up in front of the kitchen at Plow Days this year. Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 14 20:49:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:49:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - Plow Days In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1145072981.44406d5571108@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Which side of the kitchen building is the front? See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Rotigel : > PS, Engines will be set up in front of the kitchen at Plow Days this year. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 15 03:08:59 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:08:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net><001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1145058982.444036a65be4e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004701c66074$a08e9710$a9c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> I just think that the list is now a defacto of Ebay Still that's just me. I had a nice little show today and hell we even had several beers after we had shut down !! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > G'day Peter, > > I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. > The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as > you've > read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! > PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to >> say >> for Christs sake say it!!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob W7AVK" >> >> > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sat Apr 15 03:48:23 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414225854.03b161c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Yes and we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand why this has to happen. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us. Hi Lyle, Does this include the people in Iowa that were killed by the tornados today? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Apr 15 05:00:22 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:00:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> "we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " ....................................................................... Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. mike From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 07:18:27 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:18:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - Plow Days In-Reply-To: <1145072981.44406d5571108@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> <1145072981.44406d5571108@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415101644.03b56218@mail.alltel.net> The engines will be set up near the road across from the saw mill. I will have ropes and signs up. Dave At 11:49 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Which side of the kitchen building is the front? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Dave Rotigel : > > > PS, Engines will be set up in front of the kitchen at Plow Days this year. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 18:55:49 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:55:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looks Like Reg To Me! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414215454.01ea18f8@mail.alltel.net> See: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13519019,00.html Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Apr 15 07:59:59 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:59:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060415.111439.1204.1.jlb94@juno.com> Well - Happy Easter to you too ;-) Thanks for the info on the engines. See ya at the Plow Days. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Apr 15 08:07:05 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:07:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Plow Daze Message-ID: <20060415.111439.1204.2.jlb94@juno.com> See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I would say it's the left side looking at the entrance - but then - It could be the right end looking at the side or - The right end looking at the back. Hope to see ya there. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Apr 14 20:09:46 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:09:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - eBay URL's In-Reply-To: References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 04:46 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >>I suppose it's an ebay item.Why people don't just cut and past the link to >>the item I just don't know.It makes it so mush easer to have a look. John (and others), I have found that if you copy and paste only from the beginning of the URL to the end of the item number it works just fine. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335 rather than: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D7609867335%26fvi%3D1 Regards, Larry >The reason is that an eBay link will wrap to two lines, and often doesn't >show up as a clickable link. It's easier to go to http://ebay.com/ and >paste in the item number than to try to piece together the cut-apart link. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Apr 15 11:20:53 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:20:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in and then I do my searching from there. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > Hi Tim, > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to read > the description! > Dave > > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: > >Maybe this will help. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sea r > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 > > > >Tim Christoff > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > > > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 15 11:44:05 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:44:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - eBay URL's In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05ed6ca35de8f46b52843139fbc00450@chartertn.net> > John (and others), > I have found that if you copy and paste only from the beginning of the > URL to the end of the item number it works just fine. See: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335 > rather than: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch% > 2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D7609867335%26fvi%3D1 Thanks for the tip, Larry. In this case, it still involves cutting from 2 lines and pasting them. Easier just to go to eBay and paste in the number, I think. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 12:22:43 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415151333.03bb8e90@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tim, I know that you are a conservative and, therefore, unlike some on the List do NOT expect others to do your work for you. Therefore a few tips: 1.) Bookmark e-bay 2.) When a number shows up copy it 3.) Hit the e-bay bookmark 4.) Paste the number into the e-bay where it says :Start New Search" 5.) Click on "Search" 6.) BINGO! I'm sure that you will agree that the fact that you have old phone lines and a dial up connection in no way provides support for an argument that someone else should do your work for you. Dave PS, Don't worry that the person who complained about numbers will attempt 1-6 (above.) That would take the ability to read and reason! At 02:20 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows >up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took >me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number >in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines >it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to >click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages >to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main >page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in >and then I do my searching from there. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Dave Rotigel > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > > > Hi Tim, > > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know > > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to >read > > the description! > > Dave > > > > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: > > >Maybe this will help. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sea >r > > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 > > > > > >Tim Christoff > > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > > > > > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is >something to > > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 12:24:37 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:24:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - eBay URL's In-Reply-To: <05ed6ca35de8f46b52843139fbc00450@chartertn.net> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <05ed6ca35de8f46b52843139fbc00450@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415152329.03be1538@mail.alltel.net> >Thanks for the tip, Larry. In this case, it still involves cutting from >2 lines and pasting them. Easier just to go to eBay and paste in the >number, I think. >John Culp You are right John--and only a LIBERAL would expect others to do their work for them! Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 15 15:49:05 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:49:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Off List and bloody OT Message-ID: <004d01c660de$d087e150$64f830cb@ogborneuah38i3> BTW Arnie ....off list means that ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 15 18:45:08 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:45:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Message-ID: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone has one. I think it is a 5 HP. Thanks From b2 at chooka.net Sat Apr 15 19:38:49 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:38:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine In-Reply-To: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200604152139478.SM02784@wrbpc> I might be able to help, Paul; I have a few carbs around and that's the vintage of engine I worked on at a shop whilst in college. There are a lot of subtle differences in the carbs, especially on the Tecumseh line, but finding one that will work even if it's not quite right shouldn't be too hard. Do you have a carb core, or is the carb just plain missing? I'd have to go visual in looking for one, so if you could send me a pic of the engine with or without the carb core that would help. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA b2 at chooka.net Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:45 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone has one. I think it is a 5 HP. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 19:43:29 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:43:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off List and bloody OT In-Reply-To: <004d01c660de$d087e150$64f830cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <004d01c660de$d087e150$64f830cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415224049.01e8ca10@mail.alltel.net> At 06:49 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >BTW Arnie ....off list means that ! >Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Are you trying to contact Arnie off List? if so he can be contacted at: fero_ah at city-net.com Dave PS, Have you see what's at 6969696969? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 15 21:19:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:19:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - OT In-Reply-To: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <1145161158.4441c5c653b6b@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Lyle, No need to wait for "someday" to understand why people die in natural disasters. It's simple English. Natural - an event that can be expected to happen; like New Orleans flooding when hurricanes hit and trailer parks getting shreaded in tornado alley. Disaster - Lotsa folks get killed. The sad part is that folks choose to put themselves in the path of "Natural Disasters" year after year. If you live 12 feet below sea level on the Gulf coast, you should NOT be surprised when you get wet. If you live in a trailer park in tornado alley, you better own ruby slippers and a dog named Toto. The equally sad bit is that folks moan about how they can't understand "the Lords ways" when it comes to natural disasters or other events. Perhaps, there's a far simpler solution; shit happens. There's an old principle, Occam's Razor, that should be applied to such deep philosophical musings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor Some prefer the simplier version - KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. Basically, the concept is to go for the simplest explanition for an event, don't needlessly complicate it. Going for a bunch of all powerful, invisible critters as the reason that everything happens is a classic case of overly complicating things. Especially if you're gonna moan about not understanding the complication you introduce. KISS! See ya, Arnie PS - The VERY BEST place to engage in deep discussions of mumbo jumbo is over on Slick Willy. This is a list similar to the SEL except that such discussions are welcomed there. This tries to be an engine list. PPS - When your engines quit running, do you throw up your hands and moan about "not understand the Lords ways" or do you check to see if you've run out of gas? Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Lyle DeWitt Myles : > Yes and we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never > question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from > natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand why this has to > happen. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 15 21:28:32 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:28:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tray Cooled Engines Message-ID: <1145161712.4441c7f014777@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I'm considering building a tray cooling setup for my Bessemer half-breed. Does anyone have any pics of tray cooled engines that show the different setups that were used? Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 15 22:04:33 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:04:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tray Cooled Engines In-Reply-To: <1145161712.4441c7f014777@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1145161712.4441c7f014777@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4441D061.80807@scrtc.com> Arnie, Here's a very poor quality photo of my Columbus engine that has a tray cooling system. If you look close you can see it in back of the flywheels. The trays are about 9 inch in dia. and the bottom of each pan looks like it has had nail holes punched in it. Probably 50 or so nail holes in each. I can get some better photos if this is the type system you're looking for. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30210971&p=71153102 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Folks, > >I'm considering building a tray cooling setup for my Bessemer half-breed. Does >anyone have any pics of tray cooled engines that show the different setups that >were used? Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 16 01:56:02 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:56:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Columbus Message-ID: <20060416085602.HGCO19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Spent a bit of time on the Columbus today. I found there were a lot more parts than I thought but still a lot missing. Nearly all of the bottom end of the engine is there and I am seem to be only missing the ignitor and exhaust valve linkages as well as the ignitor, carby/intake assembly, the crankcase door and the name plate. It looks like the engine was originally a dark red/ maroon colour with green flywheels. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/columbus1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 16 05:11:37 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:11:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email Message-ID: <00c701c6614e$ea01aec0$f4d64c0c@D48VHZ61> If Ted is reading or if anyone has his email adress handy, could you please contact me off list. Thanks, John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Apr 16 06:20:28 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:20:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> Good Morning Paul, Special Greetings today! I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at it yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone has one. I think it is a 5 HP. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MBellar at aol.com Sun Apr 16 07:35:08 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:35:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tray Cooled Engines Message-ID: <3c4.2a4f87.3173b01c@aol.com> Arnie; Send me your snail mail address off list and I will send you a CD ROM of cooling system pictures I have collected. The files are too large to send by dial up e-mail. Tom Bellar -------------------------------1145198108 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From MBellar at aol.com Sun Apr 16 08:15:40 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:15:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Message-ID: <3c9.2aefcb.3173b99c@aol.com> Ed, I have a HH70 140056E 7 HP engine with a fist sized hole in the crank case where the rod came through. You can have the carb,air cleaner, governor Etc. off of if they will work on your 6 HP. Tom Bellar -------------------------------1145200540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From sel at antique-engine.com Sun Apr 16 09:01:51 2006 From: sel at antique-engine.com (sel) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:01:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000801c66008$1502d5b0$6401a8c0@cc2319892A> Message-ID: <200641612151.892064@compaq-pc> Hi Harry, The engine from Nunda, NY. is fully restored and in a nice engine building at the Alexander show grounds. It's a big hit when they run the 3 cylinder Fairbanks at the show. It does look just like the one on ebay. Take care... Craig On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:12:04 -0400, Harry wrote: >?Poor ol' girl got put out in the cold! > >?http://old-engine.com/nunda.htm > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 16 09:23:03 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:23:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> <009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> Message-ID: <008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > Good Morning Paul, > > Special Greetings today! > > I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups > and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? > > I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at it > yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > > > Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my > Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was > purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 > 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone > has one. I think it is a 5 HP. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 16 09:23:50 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:23:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from >natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " > >....................................................................... > >Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. > > mike Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 16 10:00:16 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:00:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: > Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the > people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD > people and must pay for their sins! Chapter and verse to which you refer, Dave? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 16 10:13:24 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:13:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. Message-ID: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection since last year. The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 MB) Regards, -- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 16 10:29:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:29:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416132802.03e33740@mail.alltel.net> At 01:00 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >>Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >>people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD >>people and must pay for their sins! >Chapter and verse to which you refer, Dave? >John Culp The ones that say that God kills BAD people before their time! Dave From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Apr 16 12:10:13 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:10:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the New Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as we have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and she was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are in HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting on me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass it along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from >natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " > >....................................................................... > >Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. > > mike Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Apr 16 12:15:20 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:15:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416132802.03e33740@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000101c6618a$1b33d280$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> As this goes to show you have no idea where in the Bible such a claim is made. It sounds good to you so you think it is true. Again since you a read this passage, let us know where it is so we do not spend days searching for something that is not in the Bible. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting At 01:00 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >>Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >>people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD >>people and must pay for their sins! >Chapter and verse to which you refer, Dave? >John Culp The ones that say that God kills BAD people before their time! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 16 14:04:47 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:04:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <20060416210447.05025627822@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Hi Guys' PLEASE take this OFF LIST. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle DeWitt Myles Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:10 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the New Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as we have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and she was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are in HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting on me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass it along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from >natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " > >....................................................................... > >Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. > > mike Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 16 14:29:10 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:29:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email In-Reply-To: <00c701c6614e$ea01aec0$f4d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <20060416212913.467E49B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi John, Put ignitors in your search box. That will bring up several sights. Scroll down to Egnitors Homepage. That's Ted's web page. His Email address is at the end. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:12 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email If Ted is reading or if anyone has his email adress handy, could you please contact me off list. Thanks, John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Apr 16 14:55:17 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:55:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <01ba01c661a0$bf55ca10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Take this over to Slick Willie list please. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's > answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the > New > Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be > forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad > people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as > we > have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and > she > was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away > just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to > help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe > that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are > in > HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting > on > me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found > this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper > than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass > it > along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is > upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away > from >>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >> >>....................................................................... >> >>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >> >> mike > > Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people > that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and > must pay for their sins! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 15:29:38 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:29:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Dave ....we are now back hopefully on the ''Straight and Narrow''........no more Ginger Groups ,New and Old Testaments etc.We had a small show at Denmark ,45 Km down the road . A nice very old Mc Donald Diesel and a Fairbanks Morse look-alike. I have sent Rob Skinner an image hoping he can identify it for us. That lawn mower , I had an message from someone here who has one exactly the same but it was made in Australia by Technico , not Qualcast. Our little show at Denmark was great ....minimum fencing ,tractors running ,kids climbing all over them ,the billie boiling, lots of old cockys saying ''I had one of those ,might still be in the shed'' and we finished it of with a slab of beer! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "Old Engine" Cc: "atis" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. >I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection >since last year. > The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO > They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric > engines made in the 1890,s. > I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. > (First time I have tried it for video) > See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over > 4 MB) > Regards, > -- > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 16 15:33:31 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:33:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email References: <00c701c6614e$ea01aec0$f4d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <005d01c661a5$cb6f1270$68d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Thanks guys. John From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 16:18:17 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:18:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <01ba01c661a0$bf55ca10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <003d01c661ac$0e52bb90$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit chat , and other such non engine related subjects..............just click on Interesting ,then ..subject and see the garbage that has come up!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Take this over to Slick Willie list please. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:10 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > > >> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's >> answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the >> New >> Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be >> forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad >> people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as >> we >> have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and >> she >> was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away >> just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to >> help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe >> that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are >> in >> HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting >> on >> me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you >> found >> this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper >> than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass >> it >> along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil >> is >> upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. >> >> Lyle Myles >> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >> has >> given each and every one of us. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >> >> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away >> from >>>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >>> >>>....................................................................... >>> >>>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >>> >>> mike >> >> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >> people >> that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and >> must pay for their sins! >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 17:40:47 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:40:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? > > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual > orientation thing meant to confuse and thus control the masses? > I guess I'm neither - I'm good-old-fashioned hetro with none of this PC > mumbo-jumbo made-up by the press garbage so they can explain things they > simply do not understand. > Ya, everytime the press simply doesn't get or understand something, they > feel the need to coin a new phrase. And we all know what the press is, so > there, that explains it! > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > Back home in the outback you're the one girl I know > But up here in Sydney they come and they go > How daintilly and gaily they skip down the street > And when I look at them I think of you and your size eleven feet > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > The boomerang is an Australian device > You sling it away and it's back in a trice > It's harder to lose than a cold in the head > And when I think of it I think of you, and errck, enough said > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > The outback is dry and the sun, how it bakes > You're pestered by insects and bitten by snakes > They reckon it's a land that lives under a curse > And when I think of it I think of you, and that makes it worse > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > Down by the river where the deer and the bunnies play and whoopie the > old-fashioned way > >> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >> the >> table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like >> to >> ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they >> Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still a >> bit of Metro hanging in there. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From avanti_64 at juno.com Sun Apr 16 17:50:06 2006 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:50:06 GMT Subject: [SEL] Maine Antique Power Assn. 2006 Engine Raffle Message-ID: <20060416.175034.706.327735@webmail40.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 17:53:11 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:53:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3><4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004401c661b9$50b6f750$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> I am sorry about bringing this up again ...it was a mistake and I have replied to Bill in a convivial manner Off List Apologies ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > >> Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? >> >> rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual >> orientation thing meant to confuse and thus control the masses? >> I guess I'm neither - I'm good-old-fashioned hetro with none of this PC >> mumbo-jumbo made-up by the press garbage so they can explain things they >> simply do not understand. >> Ya, everytime the press simply doesn't get or understand something, they >> feel the need to coin a new phrase. And we all know what the press is, so >> there, that explains it! >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> Back home in the outback you're the one girl I know >> But up here in Sydney they come and they go >> How daintilly and gaily they skip down the street >> And when I look at them I think of you and your size eleven feet >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> The boomerang is an Australian device >> You sling it away and it's back in a trice >> It's harder to lose than a cold in the head >> And when I think of it I think of you, and errck, enough said >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> The outback is dry and the sun, how it bakes >> You're pestered by insects and bitten by snakes >> They reckon it's a land that lives under a curse >> And when I think of it I think of you, and that makes it worse >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> Bill >> Runnells, Iowa, USA >> Down by the river where the deer and the bunnies play and whoopie the >> old-fashioned way >> >>> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >>> the >>> table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like >>> to >>> ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they >>> Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still >>> a >>> bit of Metro hanging in there. >>> Peter Ogborne >>> Little Grove ,Albany >>> West Australia >>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 16 17:57:24 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:57:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. In-Reply-To: <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1145235444.4442e7f4d6e8a@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, OK, I'm officially totally confused. Just minutes ago you posted the following... "If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit chat, and other such non engine related subjects.............." Now you post a VERY long, rambling, utterly irrelevant post (without added comment) from back in March. Have you totally lost your rag mate? See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? > > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sun Apr 16 18:15:04 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <20060416210447.05025627822@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001601c661bc$5c50c160$111f7546@mycomputer> Religion can make normal people crazy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > Hi Guys' PLEASE take this OFF LIST. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle DeWitt > Myles > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:10 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > > This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's > answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the > New > Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be > forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad > people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as > we > have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and > she > was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away > just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to > help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe > that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are > in > HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting > on > me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found > this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper > than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass > it > along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is > upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away > from >>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >> >>....................................................................... >> >>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >> >> mike > > Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people > that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and > must pay for their sins! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 16 18:20:55 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:20:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4s3lvb$dej8ri@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave Nah,your having us on again Dave. You are still posting so that's proof enough for me :D _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 16 18:26:10 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:26:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. Message-ID: <20060416.212611.1092.0.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent pics Dave, I have a question that I'm curious about. I get all but a few of the pics in the thumbnail page. But - THe few are a blank thumbnail with a small X in the left upper corner. When I click on the X, I can view the larger pic on a Webshots page but when I click back to the thumbnails, I get the blank square with the X again. Anyone know why ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 16 18:37:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:37:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> <003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> Peter, What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different takes on how the museum is established and operated. One was that its somewhat of a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, etc. Another person told me that it was more or less a private set up and in the control one or very few individuals. I have no ideal and was just curious. They certainly have some nice old iron there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the >> collection since last year. >> The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO >> They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden >> Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. >> I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. >> (First time I have tried it for video) >> See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, >> over 4 MB) >> Regards, >> -- >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Apr 16 19:10:56 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:10:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. In-Reply-To: <1145235444.4442e7f4d6e8a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000201c661c4$2a8d5eb0$38968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> When I first signed up for this list I became very upset that it seemed that the list members talked about everything but engines. It was suggested several times that if you do not like what is listed, delete it. Guys, I almost dropped from this list but came to understand that it is nice for a group of men and women to have a place to chat back and forth about different topics. I have several interests besides old engines and it is nice when someone comes up with something in other areas that could help another list member. Yes there are times when the strings seem totally out of text for a site like this but again the sharing should be considered the important thing. I just hope that the members who have a gripe because we talk of other things than engines may in time find something that helps them in other areas and they thank themselves for not dropping off the list. Not to be funny but I am right now. If a string bothers you, then do as I was told several times in the beginning, HIT THE DELETE KEY AND READ THE NEXT MESSAGE. As with any site, there is bond to be garbage and well as information that is helpful. It's up to each list member to sort out his interests and try to be more of an understanding nature when someone has something to say that is not to your liking. This is a great site with great members and we should never forget this or the hard work it takes to make this site tick. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. G'day Peter, OK, I'm officially totally confused. Just minutes ago you posted the following... "If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit chat, and other such non engine related subjects.............." Now you post a VERY long, rambling, utterly irrelevant post (without added comment) from back in March. Have you totally lost your rag mate? See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? > > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Apr 16 19:14:13 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:14:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8><01ba01c661a0$bf55ca10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <003d01c661ac$0e52bb90$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <01e901c661c4$a9b4a3b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Point taken. Outa here. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit > chat , and other such non engine related subjects..............just click > on Interesting ,then ..subject and see the garbage that has come up!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > >> Take this over to Slick Willie list please. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:10 AM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting >> >> >>> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's >>> answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the >>> New >>> Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be >>> forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only >>> bad >>> people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth >>> as we >>> have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and >>> she >>> was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed >>> away >>> just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to >>> help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me >>> believe >>> that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are >>> in >>> HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven >>> waiting on >>> me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you >>> found >>> this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes >>> deeper >>> than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass >>> it >>> along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil >>> is >>> upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. >>> >>> Lyle Myles >>> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >>> has >>> given each and every one of us. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >>> >>> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>>>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away >>> from >>>>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >>>> >>>>....................................................................... >>>> >>>>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >>>> >>>> mike >>> >>> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >>> people >>> that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and >>> must pay for their sins! >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 19:28:04 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1><003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003001c661c6$91a4e6c0$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Tommy ...I hesitate to say this but I suppose it is engine related . I have never been to Anson ,Dave Croft will fill you in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > Peter, > What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different takes on > how the museum is established and operated. One was that its somewhat of > a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, etc. Another person > told me that it was more or less a private set up and in the control one > or very few individuals. I have no ideal and was just curious. They > certainly have some nice old iron there. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection >>> since last year. >>> The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO >>> They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden >>> Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. >>> I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. >>> (First time I have tried it for video) >>> See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, >>> over 4 MB) >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> Dave Croft >>> Warrington >>> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 19:30:43 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3><4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1145235444.4442e7f4d6e8a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003501c661c6$f078b820$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> It appears that you see only what you want to . As I said that re posting was a mistake and I dully apologised ,I would guess that even YOU have made a mistake now and then. I think you shoot from the hip Arnie just take a breather ,read the posts and don't be so bloody ready to jump in. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > G'day Peter, > > OK, I'm officially totally confused. Just minutes ago you posted the > following... > > "If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit > chat, > and other such non engine related subjects.............." > > Now you post a VERY long, rambling, utterly irrelevant post (without added > comment) from back in March. > > Have you totally lost your rag mate? > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. >> >> > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? >> > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 16 20:01:40 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:01:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <003001c661c6$91a4e6c0$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1><003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> <003001c661c6$91a4e6c0$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <44430514.1000803@scrtc.com> Peter, Yes, that message was meant for Dave. I apologize for posting it to you. I had read quite a bit of back and forth info on the list in the last bit and for some reason had your name in my head Peter. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy ...I hesitate to say this but I suppose it is engine related . I > have never been to Anson ,Dave Croft will fill you in. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > > >> Peter, >> What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different >> takes on how the museum is established and operated. One was that >> its somewhat of a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, >> etc. Another person told me that it was more or less a private set >> up and in the control one or very few individuals. I have no ideal >> and was just curious. They certainly have some nice old iron there. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >>>> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the >>>> collection since last year. >>>> The pictures are at >>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO >>>> They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden >>>> Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. >>>> I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first >>>> start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) >>>> See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov >>>> (Warning, over 4 MB) >>>> Regards, >>>> -- >>>> Dave Croft >>>> Warrington >>>> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >>>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>>> > From ocleveland at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 16 20:22:58 2006 From: ocleveland at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:22:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <20060416210447.05025627822@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <001601c661bc$5c50c160$111f7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <00cc01c661ce$39db52f0$68f1a518@SKIP> Religion is to make crazy people normal. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Religion can make normal people crazy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:04 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > > >> Hi Guys' PLEASE take this OFF LIST. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle DeWitt >> Myles >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:10 PM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting >> >> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's >> answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the >> New >> Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be >> forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad >> people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as >> we >> have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and >> she >> was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away >> just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to >> help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe >> that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are >> in >> HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting >> on >> me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you >> found >> this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper >> than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass >> it >> along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil >> is >> upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. >> >> Lyle Myles >> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >> has >> given each and every one of us. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >> >> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away >> from >>>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >>> >>>....................................................................... >>> >>>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >>> >>> mike >> >> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >> people >> that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and >> must pay for their sins! >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 17 02:05:33 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:05:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1><003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002501c661fe$16be8550$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > Peter, > What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different takes > on how the museum is established and operated. One was that its > somewhat of a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, etc. > Another person told me that it was more or less a private set up and in > the control one or very few individuals. I have no ideal and was just > curious. They certainly have some nice old iron there. > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, This could be dangerous for you! I first met Les Cawley about 30 years ago. He lived on the site of an old coal mine on a hill & he had been collecting engines for all his life. Not just a "Johhny Come Lately" like the rest of us. When I visited he took me out in the woods & showed me Engines I had only dreamed of, just covered with tarpaulins amongst the trees. He told me of his dreams of a stationary engine museum on the old coal mine site. It was 20 years ago this summer that the foundations were dug for the first hall at the museum. The museum opened to the public 17 years ago and over that time it has changed and developed to be an award winning attraction in Cheshire. Les died 3 years ago & left the museum to Geoff Challinor who had been Les's close friend & helper for many years. I do not know the full financial situation but it is obvious to all the people who help the museum that it isn't being done as a profit making enterprise. Why did I say this could be dangerous for you? Because your collection reminds me of Les's all those years ago & look what happened when Les retired. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Apr 17 03:12:29 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:12:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sherwood Oiler Message-ID: <041720061012.28289.44436A0D00063CBF00006E81219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Trying to find out info on Sherwood Oilers for a good friend not on this list. He has one and is trying to understand how they work. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 17 05:15:59 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day Message-ID: <004b01c66218$b0df5000$f385dccb@oemcomputer> Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum where I am a member.They have some real nice engines and the 3 of us that look after them spent the day showing them to the public that came through.We ran the 5Hp Richard Hornsby Portable oil engine all day and it went real good.We also ran a 3Hp inter M.3Hp Wolseley sheep shearing plant and a 2Hp Roseberry engine on a very original concrete mixer.I took my 3.5Hp Sta-Rite out for it's first run since it came into my possession and it ran without missing a beat for 6 hrs.A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting in the autumn sun telling tales(mostly true) EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 17 04:02:27 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <20060417110224.PMLL24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Great photos of a nice collection Dave. The video of the atmospheric engine is really good. I like the excitement of the people :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection since last year. The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 MB) Regards, -- Dave Croft From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 17 07:07:30 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. Message-ID: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Guys, So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as well. I haven't melted them out yet. Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? I really need some good advice here! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 17 07:12:04 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Get in touch with Craig Prucha. He's done videos of several of his major engine restorations. One of them (I forget which one) covers all of the details of setting up, damming, shimming, and pouring a full set of bearings in place. Why reinvent the wheel when you can learn from the master? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a > question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on > pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the dummy > shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just lowers. > But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at the same > time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser hole. How > will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal tight > dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I thinking both > would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers poured first, then > the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? > I really need some good advice here! From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 07:44:40 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:44:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? Message-ID: I have a few items that I'm hoping some of you can identify for me. Some type of pump is pictured here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-408s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-409s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-410s.jpg The cylinder pivots as the handle is moved up and down. Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Next is another pump. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-411s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-412s.jpg The inlet is at the very bottom and the outlet it at the top near the handle. A piece of metal is attached to the plunger rod and must mix some type of liquid as the handle is moved up and down? Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Last is a head for some type of engine. It is quite large, about 12.5 inches in diameter. Appears to take a spark plug at the front of the head. I'm hoping to identify it so I can find a home for it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-413s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-414s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-415s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-416s.jpg Any help is appreciated. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 17 07:52:26 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:52:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> Curt, I have poured some bearings but I'm sure there are others that have a great deal more experience and can give you better advice. On smaller engines (6 HP or less), I've poured both the top and bottom at the same time. I do this by laying the engine base on its side with the shaft perpindicular to the ground. I've used the Babbittrite putty to build around the shaft to seal it off on the bottom side and use it to make a dam around the top. I then heat the shaft base a bit (not real hot though) and pour it. I usually make my shims out of asbestos gasket material for the pouring purpose. I've had good luck doing it this way. On larger engines, I've cheated a bit. I make (or purchase if its a standard size) brass bushings that fit the shaft perfectly. I then mill out about an 1/8 inch on each side attach them to the shaft with 1/8 asbestos gasket material between the halves. I use a real fine brass wire to hold it all together. I then place them in the frame of the engine and level the base so that the break line of the bushing half is parallel with the floor. I use some jack stands I have with a small screw jack on top to position the crank (or shaft) properly. I should mention that I also tin the brass halves with solder after I split them in order for the babbitt to adhere to the brass. I then dam them up with Babbittrite and pour and. I heat the item a bit bit putting a little heat on the frame of the engine and the shaft. However, if I'm pouring in a base that has some original paint and don't want to damage it, I've poured them cold and haven't noticed a significant issue by doing this. I pull the top half off, scrape or file the babbitt flush on the sides of the bushing (between the bushing and the base), place in my asbestos shims and pour the top half. This sounds a lot more complicated than it actually is. If you account for the time you use scraping and fitting the crank to the babbitt bearings, the way I've done it is actually faster I think. One good thing about using the brass halves, they give you a great bearing surface and are all polished up and ready to use not long after pouring the babbitt. I've been long winded here but thought I would share this with you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Guys, > So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am working > on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. Looking at > the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as well. I haven't > melted them out yet. > Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a > question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on > pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the > dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just > lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at > the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser > hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal > tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I > thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers > poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? > I really need some good advice here! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 17 09:17:06 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4443BF82.2080704@imc-group.com> Tommy, These are both very clever ideas! In both suggestions are you using a dummy shaft instead of the crankshaft? Interesting that you have experienced no problems even with the engine base cold. The Magnolia Bearing book is very specific about the temperatures of the base, the dummy shaft, and the babbitt temperature. I always worry about overheating and cracking an engine base in such a localized area like the bearing bosses when attempting to reach the temperatures Magnolia recommends. For certain I will attempt much cooler per your recommendation. Do you brighten and use the tinning flux on the cast iron bosses? Curt Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, > I have poured some bearings but I'm sure there are others that have > a great deal more experience and can give you better advice. On > smaller engines (6 HP or less), I've poured both the top and bottom at > the same time. I do this by laying the engine base on its side with > the shaft perpindicular to the ground. I've used the Babbittrite > putty to build around the shaft to seal it off on the bottom side and > use it to make a dam around the top. I then heat the shaft base a bit > (not real hot though) and pour it. I usually make my shims out of > asbestos gasket material for the pouring purpose. I've had good luck > doing it this way. > > On larger engines, I've cheated a bit. I make (or purchase if its > a standard size) brass bushings that fit the shaft perfectly. I then > mill out about an 1/8 inch on each side attach them to the shaft with > 1/8 asbestos gasket material between the halves. I use a real fine > brass wire to hold it all together. I then place them in the frame of > the engine and level the base so that the break line of the bushing > half is parallel with the floor. I use some jack stands I have with > a small screw jack on top to position the crank (or shaft) properly. > I should mention that I also tin the brass halves with solder after I > split them in order for the babbitt to adhere to the brass. I then > dam them up with Babbittrite and pour and. I heat the item a bit bit > putting a little heat on the frame of the engine and the shaft. > However, if I'm pouring in a base that has some original paint and > don't want to damage it, I've poured them cold and haven't noticed a > significant issue by doing this. I pull the top half off, scrape or > file the babbitt flush on the sides of the bushing (between the > bushing and the base), place in my asbestos shims and pour the top > half. This sounds a lot more complicated than it actually is. If you > account for the time you use scraping and fitting the crank to the > babbitt bearings, the way I've done it is actually faster I think. > One good thing about using the brass halves, they give you a great > bearing surface and are all polished up and ready to use not long > after pouring the babbitt. I've been long winded here but thought I > would share this with you. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >> Guys, >> So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am >> working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. >> Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as >> well. I haven't melted them out yet. >> Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a >> question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on >> pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the >> dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just >> lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at >> the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser >> hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal >> tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I >> thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers >> poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? >> I really need some good advice here! >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 17 09:23:37 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4443C109.6070300@imc-group.com> Hi Arnie, Great suggestion! You let me copy several of Craig's videos a few years back and I'll need to look thru those to see if the babbitt pouring is covered. Like the points cleaning thread and condenser test thread, there are several methods that apparently work, so I'd still be interested in hearing from others on your methods to successful pours in upper caps. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Get in touch with Craig Prucha. He's done videos of several of his major >engine restorations. One of them (I forget which one) covers all of the >details of setting up, damming, shimming, and pouring a full set of >bearings in place. Why reinvent the wheel when you can learn from the >master? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > > > From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Apr 17 09:28:24 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:28:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200604171628.k3HGSa6J087460@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:13 AM To: Old Engine Cc: atis Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection since last year. The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 MB) Regards, -- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~~ Dave, I'm impressed! You did a great job with the camera! I'm curious about that Otto-Langen. Is it an atmospheric engine? It bears a slight resemblance to the Otto-Langen atmospheric, but this one has two flywheels and I don't see a rack and guide rods. Is this the next step in the evolution of the IC engine? Tx. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 17 09:46:42 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:46:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443BF82.2080704@imc-group.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> <4443BF82.2080704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4443C672.3030800@scrtc.com> Curt, I've never used the tinning flux and have never had a problem with a bearing coming loose, etc. Many (maybe all) of the bearings I've poured have been into unmachined, raw cast bases. In most, they have had an indention area on the casting or have been spot bored into the cast surface to "lock" the babbitt in place. When I say I pour them cold, they are still quite hot. I distinctly remember pouring an 8 HP Type N Fairbanks several summers ago. I sat the base out in the sun for probably 5 hours before I made the pour. I don't know for sure but would gess it was probably 150 plus degrees when I poured the babbitt (it was hot enough that I didn't want to put my hand on it and leave it there). I usually use the crankshaft to pour around, especially with the larger engines. One reason is that you'll get the proper spacing on the distance between your mains that way. Another is that it saves me a great deal of time not having to "scrape in" the thrust surface of the c-shaft throw. I can see positive points to doing it with the crank or a straight shaft. I'm a bit lazy I guess. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > These are both very clever ideas! In both suggestions are you using a > dummy shaft instead of the crankshaft? > Interesting that you have experienced no problems even with the engine > base cold. The Magnolia Bearing book is very specific about the > temperatures of the base, the dummy shaft, and the babbitt > temperature. I always worry about overheating and cracking an engine > base in such a localized area like the bearing bosses when attempting > to reach the temperatures Magnolia recommends. For certain I will > attempt much cooler per your recommendation. Do you brighten and use > the tinning flux on the cast iron bosses? > Curt > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Curt, >> I have poured some bearings but I'm sure there are others that >> have a great deal more experience and can give you better advice. On >> smaller engines (6 HP or less), I've poured both the top and bottom >> at the same time. I do this by laying the engine base on its side >> with the shaft perpindicular to the ground. I've used the >> Babbittrite putty to build around the shaft to seal it off on the >> bottom side and use it to make a dam around the top. I then heat the >> shaft base a bit (not real hot though) and pour it. I usually make >> my shims out of asbestos gasket material for the pouring purpose. >> I've had good luck doing it this way. >> >> On larger engines, I've cheated a bit. I make (or purchase if its >> a standard size) brass bushings that fit the shaft perfectly. I then >> mill out about an 1/8 inch on each side attach them to the shaft with >> 1/8 asbestos gasket material between the halves. I use a real fine >> brass wire to hold it all together. I then place them in the frame >> of the engine and level the base so that the break line of the >> bushing half is parallel with the floor. I use some jack stands I >> have with a small screw jack on top to position the crank (or shaft) >> properly. I should mention that I also tin the brass halves with >> solder after I split them in order for the babbitt to adhere to the >> brass. I then dam them up with Babbittrite and pour and. I heat the >> item a bit bit putting a little heat on the frame of the engine and >> the shaft. However, if I'm pouring in a base that has some original >> paint and don't want to damage it, I've poured them cold and haven't >> noticed a significant issue by doing this. I pull the top half off, >> scrape or file the babbitt flush on the sides of the bushing (between >> the bushing and the base), place in my asbestos shims and pour the >> top half. This sounds a lot more complicated than it actually is. >> If you account for the time you use scraping and fitting the crank to >> the babbitt bearings, the way I've done it is actually faster I >> think. One good thing about using the brass halves, they give you a >> great bearing surface and are all polished up and ready to use not >> long after pouring the babbitt. I've been long winded here but >> thought I would share this with you. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >>> Guys, >>> So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am >>> working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. >>> Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as >>> well. I haven't melted them out yet. >>> Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a >>> question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on >>> pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the >>> dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing >>> just lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the >>> upper at the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the >>> greaser hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time >>> when metal tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and >>> lowers? I thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are >>> the uppers poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured >>> later??? >>> I really need some good advice here! >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 17 10:11:33 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:11:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <200604171628.k3HGSa6J087460@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001d01c66241$fba9e6d0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:13 AM > To: Old Engine > Cc: atis > Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection > since last year. > The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO > They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric > engines made in the 1890,s. > I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First > time I have tried it for video) > See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 > MB) > Regards, Dave Croft > Dave, I'm impressed! You did a great job with the camera! > I'm curious about that Otto-Langen. Is it an atmospheric engine? It bears > a slight resemblance to the Otto-Langen atmospheric, but this one has two > flywheels and I don't see a rack and guide rods. Is this the next step in > the evolution of the IC engine? > Tx. Orrin Hi Orrin, yes they are atmospheric engines. AFAIK the large engine is the only one with 2 flywheels. See http://image55.webshots.com/55/9/4/71/2336904710028520097bCknRE_ph.jpg which is the smaller model & you can see the Rack. They will be getting this one running shortly. I do have another video of the engine running but it is a lot bigger. (6.6MB) You can see the rack shooting up. I will send it to you if you wish. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 17 10:26:09 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:26:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <001d01c66241$fba9e6d0$3ac10b52@no1> References: <200604171628.k3HGSa6J087460@mail-gw.fsr.net> <001d01c66241$fba9e6d0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <4443CFB1.8010602@scrtc.com> Dave, There used to be one at the Ford Museum that looked just like it. Its not there now and is, I assume, in storage with many of the other items from their engine display. Send me the video if its not too much trouble. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > Hi Orrin, yes they are atmospheric engines. AFAIK the large engine is > the only one with 2 flywheels. > See > http://image55.webshots.com/55/9/4/71/2336904710028520097bCknRE_ph.jpg > which is the smaller model & you can see the Rack. They will be > getting this one running shortly. > I do have another video of the engine running but it is a lot bigger. > (6.6MB) > You can see the rack shooting up. I will send it to you if you wish. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 13:46:19 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:46:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2><009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> <008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> Hi Paul, My web site deals with Tecumseh ignitions and charging systems. Since our HH 60 has a charging system, I thought I would add it to my site. How are you doing getting your engine squared away?? ED ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to defined > the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying > here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed stoller" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > > >> Good Morning Paul, >> >> Special Greetings today! >> >> I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups >> and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? >> >> I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at it >> yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. >> >> Ed Stoller >> New Fairfield, CT >> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >> >> >> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my >> Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was >> purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 >> 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone >> has one. I think it is a 5 HP. >> >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 17 13:53:23 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine In-Reply-To: <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2><009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> <008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> Message-ID: <2672.165.206.180.19.1145307203.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Remind me - I've got a lot of old Tecumseh stuff in the back of my garage - most dating to the 60's and 70's, and a crate of carbs - I can't recall what's there at all or where it came from - call me packrat.......... Bill > Hi Paul, > > My web site deals with Tecumseh ignitions and charging systems. Since our > HH > 60 has a charging system, I thought I would add it to my site. > > How are you doing getting your engine squared away?? > > ED > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > > >> Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to >> defined >> the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying >> here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ed stoller" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >> >> >>> Good Morning Paul, >>> >>> Special Greetings today! >>> >>> I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups >>> and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? >>> >>> I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at >>> it >>> yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. >>> >>> Ed Stoller >>> New Fairfield, CT >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Paul Maples" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >>> >>> >>> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my >>> Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was >>> purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 >>> 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if >>> anyone >>> has one. I think it is a 5 HP. >>> >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 17 16:54:28 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:54:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Great day Message-ID: <3d3.4d36d5.317584b4@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/2006 8:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: << A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting in the autumn sun telling tales >> Edd, Any day running engines is indeed a great day! Took my 7 Economy to the local car cruise-in at the mall saturday night and as usual I had the only thing there running and had a great time explaining to folks what it was and how everything worked! Looking forward to my first engine show of the season at Reidsville, N.C. in a few weeks. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 17 18:17:23 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:17:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day References: <3d3.4d36d5.317584b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c66285$da595da0$5885dccb@oemcomputer> Yep Tom .And don't you get some entertaining questions! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:54 Subject: Re: [SEL] Great day > In a message dated 4/17/2006 8:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: > > << A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting > in the autumn sun telling tales >> > > Edd, > > Any day running engines is indeed a great day! Took my 7 Economy to the > local car cruise-in at the mall saturday night and as usual I had the only thing > there running and had a great time explaining to folks what it was and how > everything worked! > > Looking forward to my first engine show of the season at Reidsville, N.C. in > a few weeks. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 18:42:00 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060418014201.65963.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luke, This item, http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-410s.jpg looks like an air pump I have out in my engine shed someplace. I printed off, http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-408s.jpg If I can find mine tomorrow without spending half a day digging I will compare the writing and snap you a picture. Alan Luke Tonneberger wrote: I have a few items that I'm hoping some of you can identify for me. Some type of pump is pictured here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-408s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-409s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-410s.jpg The cylinder pivots as the handle is moved up and down. Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Next is another pump. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-411s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-412s.jpg The inlet is at the very bottom and the outlet it at the top near the handle. A piece of metal is attached to the plunger rod and must mix some type of liquid as the handle is moved up and down? Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Last is a head for some type of engine. It is quite large, about 12.5 inches in diameter. Appears to take a spark plug at the front of the head. I'm hoping to identify it so I can find a home for it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-413s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-414s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-415s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-416s.jpg Any help is appreciated. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-543756843-1145324520=:65405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Luke,
This item,
looks like an air pump I have out in my engine shed someplace.
 
I printed off,
If I can find mine tomorrow without spending half a day digging I will compare the writing and snap you a picture.
 
Alan


Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
I have a few items that I'm hoping some of you can identify for me. Some
type of pump is pictured here:

 


The cylinder pivots as the handle is moved up and down. Any ideas on what
its intended use was for?


Next is another pump.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-411s.jpg


The inlet is at the very bottom and the outlet it at the top near the
handle. A piece of metal is attached to the plunger rod and must mix some
type of liquid as the handle is moved up and down? Any ideas on what its
intended use was for?


Last is a head for some type of engine. It is quite large, about 12.5 inches
in diameter. Appears to take a spark plug at the front of the head. I'm
hoping to identify it so I can find a home for it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-413s.jpg


Any help is appreciated.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 19:01:35 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:01:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2><009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed><008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> <2672.165.206.180.19.1145307203.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <023c01c6628c$065e61b0$0da4f504@Ed> Thanks Packrat, When you get too it, be on the look out for old ignitions too. The electronic ones for HH 120s are hard to find.. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > Remind me - I've got a lot of old Tecumseh stuff in the back of my garage > - most dating to the 60's and 70's, and a crate of carbs - I can't recall > what's there at all or where it came from - call me packrat.......... > > Bill > >> Hi Paul, >> >> My web site deals with Tecumseh ignitions and charging systems. Since our >> HH >> 60 has a charging system, I thought I would add it to my site. >> >> How are you doing getting your engine squared away?? >> >> ED >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >> >> >>> Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to >>> defined >>> the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying >>> here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ed stoller" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >>> >>> >>>> Good Morning Paul, >>>> >>>> Special Greetings today! >>>> >>>> I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups >>>> and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? >>>> >>>> I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at >>>> it >>>> yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. >>>> >>>> Ed Stoller >>>> New Fairfield, CT >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Maples" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM >>>> Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >>>> >>>> >>>> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my >>>> Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was >>>> purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 >>>> 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if >>>> anyone >>>> has one. I think it is a 5 HP. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 17 19:13:27 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:13:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? Message-ID: <3b8.545263.3175a547@aol.com> Hi Luke, I'll take a shot at your first two: The first looks much like an old pump we used years ago in our school to pump air into basketballs. It would clamp to a table to hold it steady. The second is a bucket pump used for spraying fruit trees. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri -------------------------------1145326407 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Luke,
 
I'll take a shot at your first two:
 
The first looks much like an old pump we used years ago in our school t= o=20 pump air into basketballs.  It would clamp to a table to hold it=20 steady.
 
The second is a bucket pump used for spraying fruit trees.
 
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri
 From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Tue Apr 18 01:20:45 2006 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:20:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 25, Issue 17 References: <200604171600.k3HG0Am6031997@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00c901c662c0$fe0b3cb0$0200a8c0@userfea17465b0> Take this over to Slick Willie list please. Could some kind soul please give me a link ...... Google searches have confused poor old me ..... 8^) Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au Runnin' with the wind ...... 8^) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 04:32:27 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:32:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? In-Reply-To: <3b8.545263.3175a547@aol.com> Message-ID: Alan and Ron, Thanks for the response. I did an image search on google for barrel pump and came up with this picture: http://www.life.uiuc.edu/edtech/entomology_slides/images/31212-barrel-pump-innards.jpg The air pump must be an old one. I've never seen anything like it. Now if I can just get someone to identify what type of engine the head came off of......... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: MaytagTwin at aol.com > >Hi Luke, > >I'll take a shot at your first two: > >The first looks much like an old pump we used years ago in our school to >pump air into basketballs. It would clamp to a table to hold it steady. > >The second is a bucket pump used for spraying fruit trees. > >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 18 07:56:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Message-ID: Hi Folks, Since we've had some recent threads that weren't engine related or interesting Off-Topic threads, the suggestion was made by a number of folks that those threads would be best presented & debated on the Slick Willy List. For those of you who weren't around at the time, a former US President (Slick Willy Clinton) was into abusing the women around him. In particular, he was especially fond of getting blow jobs from one of the White House interns; Monica (Presidential Kneepads) Lewinski. Naturally, Slick Willy being slick denied everything. This in turn lead to much distracting political ranting that got in the way of enjoying old engines. Jim Dunmyer stepped up and setup the Slick Willy List. It's an email list just like the SEL and Old Engine. It's the proper place for discussions of religion, politics, abortion, guns, liberals, creation "science", etc. Unlike the engine lists, there isn't anything that's "OFF TOPIC." It can also be pretty rough if your thinking is fuzzy (which is usually the case for political liberals & religious zealots). See below for the simple instructions for signing up for Slick. I hope to see you there (and NOT pushing the above topics on the engine lists). See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:53:12 -0500 From: Jim Dunmyer Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 18 09:44:39 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Hot Tube Size ? Message-ID: Hi Folks, One of this summer's projects is converting a 1-1/2 hp IHC "M" to run on propane with hot tube ignition. Since I hate to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have any suggestions on a suitable hot tube length to start with? I'm thinking along the lines of 1/8" or 1/4" Schedule 80 black pipe for the experiments, switching to stainless steel once I settle on a length. Maybe 4" long to start with? ISTR that some folks building their own hot tubes tapped the end of the nipple for a suitable screw then welded or brazed the joint. Any comments on hot tube construction? Finally, does anyone have a nifty home-made burner / chimney design that they would care to share? One of the inspirations for this project was the hot tube Suffolk Colt engine that Jim French built after being similarly inspired by a hot tube Briggs & Stratton at Portland 2005. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/htsc.htm Thanks folks!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 18 12:02:38 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> It's time to replace the flooring on my engine/tractor hauling trailer. After five years the original flooring is weak. What is the preferred decking material? I have not thought much about metal, though that is certainly an option. Wood is generally more forgiving. I am considering treated 2"x 8"x16'. Another possibility is oak from the local sawmill. It would be green and I wonder about the thickness after it is seasoned. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 13:29:04 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:29:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Hot Tube Size ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie, Burns and Horner sells a ready made hot tube with chimney and valve and everything that is a universal design that could be modified for almost any situation! So go ahead and spend some of those nuclear dollars and help out old John, and save yourself a lot of work too! Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List , Old >Engine , OFES > >Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Hot Tube Size ? >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:44:39 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Folks, > >One of this summer's projects is converting a 1-1/2 hp IHC "M" to run on >propane with hot tube ignition. Since I hate to reinvent the wheel, does >anyone have any suggestions on a suitable hot tube length to start with? > >I'm thinking along the lines of 1/8" or 1/4" Schedule 80 black pipe for >the experiments, switching to stainless steel once I settle on a length. >Maybe 4" long to start with? ISTR that some folks building their own hot >tubes tapped the end of the nipple for a suitable screw then welded or >brazed the joint. Any comments on hot tube construction? > >Finally, does anyone have a nifty home-made burner / chimney design that >they would care to share? > >One of the inspirations for this project was the hot tube Suffolk Colt >engine that Jim French built after being similarly inspired by a hot tube >Briggs & Stratton at Portland 2005. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/htsc.htm > >Thanks folks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 16:15:28 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:15:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer References: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Gary ; The treated wood or oak would be the least expensive but if you are going to drag things on and off you floor it would be prone to gouging and wearing , steel sheet would be more durable but the price and added weight maybe minus , the best flooring I have used is called Appaton (not sure if I spelled it right ) we use it on our semi flatbed trailers and dry vans and most semi trailers use it , it is imported and expensive but will take all the abuse you can give it , it lasts about 15 years on our flatbeds , if you have any trailer manfuracturing plants near you call them and check the price , Just a thought and maybe overkill Rex Hinz Beer Is Good , Beer Is Real Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer > It's time to replace the flooring on my engine/tractor hauling trailer. > After five years the original flooring is weak. What is the preferred > decking material? I have not thought much about metal, though that is > certainly an option. Wood is generally more forgiving. I am considering > treated 2"x 8"x16'. Another possibility is oak from the local sawmill. > It > would be green and I wonder about the thickness after it is seasoned. Any > recommendations? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Apr 18 17:09:20 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:09:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it is to late. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 17:11:49 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:11:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer References: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000501c66345$db0d6820$6400a8c0@home> Gary, I spelled it wrong its spelled APITONG and it comes from the tropics ----- Original Message ----- From: "rex002" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Decking for trailer > Gary ; > The treated wood or oak would be the least expensive but if you are > going to drag things on and off you floor it would be prone to gouging and > wearing , steel sheet would be more durable but the price and added > weight maybe minus , the best flooring I have used is called Appaton (not > sure if I spelled it right ) we use it on our semi flatbed trailers and > dry vans and most semi trailers use it , it is imported and expensive but > will take all the abuse you can give it , it lasts about 15 years on our > flatbeds , if you have any trailer manfuracturing plants near you call > them and check the price , Just a thought and maybe overkill > > Rex Hinz > Beer Is Good , Beer Is Real Good > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:02 PM > Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer > > >> It's time to replace the flooring on my engine/tractor hauling trailer. >> After five years the original flooring is weak. What is the preferred >> decking material? I have not thought much about metal, though that is >> certainly an option. Wood is generally more forgiving. I am considering >> treated 2"x 8"x16'. Another possibility is oak from the local sawmill. >> It >> would be green and I wonder about the thickness after it is seasoned. >> Any >> recommendations? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Gary >> In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >> the >> USA, where both life and I move slowly. >> >> In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >> the USA, where both life and I move slowly. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mullt at att.net Tue Apr 18 17:53:52 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:53:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites Message-ID: <041920060053.2993.44458A20000092F200000BB121603760219B04049A03@att.net> I also think the moderator, if there is one, should do a better job of keeping off topic posts off the list. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 17:56:27 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home> Hi Lyle, I guess you have your nose to deep in the bible to be able to see a little humor , even I who don't own a bible (don't need one as my Grandmother read it over and over to us as young men) saw it as a joke and nothing else , I hate to see you leave the list but I feel if you see us all as Hypocrites then so be it , I know what was said but it can't be true , I am 61 and a bad person and Hypocrite and still alive , Rex Hinz Beer is still good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite > pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as > time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I > listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or > a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know > what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to > certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots > say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who > think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that > someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before > it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Apr 18 18:02:53 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:02:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer In-Reply-To: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> References: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060418175649.05a49ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Gary, The wood Rex is referring to is Apitong. My brother has a trailer that we decked with apitong planks that were salvaged from a railway box car. They are over 2 inches thick and about 5 inches wide and are tongue and groove. Being old wood there was no shrinkage and it has held up over the years quite well. Tale a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/trailer/ to see what it looks like. Regards, Larry At 04:15 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Gary ; > The treated wood or oak would be the least expensive but if you are > going to drag things on and off you floor it would be prone to gouging > and wearing , steel sheet would be more durable but the price and added > weight maybe minus , the best flooring I have used is called Appaton (not > sure if I spelled it right ) we use it on our semi flatbed trailers and > dry vans and most semi trailers use it , it is imported and > expensive but will take all the abuse you can give it , it lasts about > 15 years on our flatbeds , if you have any trailer manfuracturing plants > near you call them and check the price , Just a thought and maybe overkill > >Rex Hinz Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 18 18:08:06 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:08:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Great day Message-ID: <31a.346d084.3176e776@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: << And don't you get some entertaining questions! >> Oh yes you sure do!! I have a number of big signs up explaining what it is, what they were used for, and even one that is the original sales literature from Sears and Roebuck selling the complete saw rig which mine is. The invariable question is "What is it??" Tom From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 18:14:48 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:14:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060415151333.03bb8e90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003201c6634e$a7e724a0$6400a8c0@home> Dave ; Thanks bud ! I just tried to cut and paste like you said ! Now I have a big hole in my LCD monitor ! I'll be waiting for you in Aug !!! Rex ; ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Hi Tim, > I know that you are a conservative and, therefore, unlike some on > the List do NOT expect others to do your work for you. Therefore a few > tips: > 1.) Bookmark e-bay > 2.) When a number shows up copy it > 3.) Hit the e-bay bookmark > 4.) Paste the number into the e-bay where it says :Start New > Search" > 5.) Click on "Search" > 6.) BINGO! > I'm sure that you will agree that the fact that you have old phone lines > and a dial up connection in no way provides support for an argument that > someone else should do your work for you. > Dave > PS, Don't worry that the person who complained about numbers will attempt > 1-6 (above.) That would take the ability to read and reason! > > At 02:20 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows >>up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took >>me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number >>in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines >>it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to >>click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages >>to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main >>page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in >>and then I do my searching from there. >> >>Tim Christoff >>Basehor Kansas >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: Dave Rotigel >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >> > >> > Hi Tim, >> > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know >> > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to >>read >> > the description! >> > Dave >> > >> > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >> > >Maybe this will help. >> > >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sea >>r >> > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 >> > > >> > >Tim Christoff >> > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : >> > > > > >> > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is >>something to >> > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: >> > 4/14/2006 >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Apr 18 18:14:46 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:14:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Come on Lyle, We might ramble around some but this is really rambling. Lets get back to engines and let this go. If you really want to go on after this then subscribe to the slick list where you can ramble to your hearts content. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it is to late. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 18 18:16:12 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:16:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <35a.2ec2aa9.3176e95c@aol.com> In a message dated 4/18/2006 3:26:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garyepps at fidnet.com writes: << What is the preferred decking material? >> Gary, I replaced 2 trailer decks last year. I used treated 2x8. The biggest problem is you can beat the boards in with a sledge hammer to make them absolutely tight side to side, and then shrinkage sets in so you end up with gaps. And if not bolted down a couple of places on the length, they can warp up too. This would even be worse with green oak. If a person had the time and clamps, it would be nice to purchase straight 2x8, lay them on edge and clamp together with lots of clamps. Stick them in a garage to dry out and shrink, then install them. Who has that time?? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 18 09:33:15 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:33:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Message-ID: <20060418.214403.1184.4.jlb94@juno.com> In reply to the Slick WIlly list. Why don't we just create a "List" for everybody on the list.? That way we can satisfy EVERYBODY as they sit there and talk to theirself. Hey - - - I don't care much for the religion stuff - but - I have a DELETE key. Why get upset ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 18 18:57:33 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:57:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <20060418.220648.1184.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Gary, I have only one thing to say. I used "Treated" 2x6's in the bed of my truck. I wound up with a floor of "Propellers". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Apr 18 19:29:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:29:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> I did not start this rambling and as I said in the beginning I to thought this was a site for engines and not every little thing a member could think of. I want to learn about old engines, how to fix them and rebuild someday something that most would think is junk. I do get carried away because I'm a Christian and it just rubs me wrong when someone misleads others that's all. So if we can stay on track just a little about engines then I would be happy. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Diane Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hypocrites Come on Lyle, We might ramble around some but this is really rambling. Lets get back to engines and let this go. If you really want to go on after this then subscribe to the slick list where you can ramble to your hearts content. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it is to late. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Apr 18 19:31:16 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:31:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> No I do not see that at all, just some who say one thing and do another. I think over all this list has a lot of fantastic members and I have learned a lot just in the few months that I have been a member. I do apologize to any member who thinks I meant them. The people I refer to know who they are and I'll leave it at that. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rex002 Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites Hi Lyle, I guess you have your nose to deep in the bible to be able to see a little humor , even I who don't own a bible (don't need one as my Grandmother read it over and over to us as young men) saw it as a joke and nothing else , I hate to see you leave the list but I feel if you see us all as Hypocrites then so be it , I know what was said but it can't be true , I am 61 and a bad person and Hypocrite and still alive , Rex Hinz Beer is still good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite > pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as > time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I > listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or > a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know > what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to > certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots > say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who > think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that > someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before > it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Apr 18 19:54:40 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:54:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> I've replaced 3 trailer decks with treated lumber and have never had a problem with twisting nor have I ever bolted them down in the center. Buy the lumber in the fall and put it in your barn until spring. Buy an extra board when you do this. It will dry out quite a bit during the winter and then install it when the weather warms. Once you have it in, set the trailer out in the sun for a week or so, it's a good idea to place something heavy in the center across all the lumber to keep it from moving. After a week the stuff will shrink and you can rip the extra peice to fit tight, place it in and keep it out of direct sunlight and you should not have any problems. After a month or so the sun won't cause it to move much and your set. If your set on putting bolts in the decking through to the frame, one row through the center will do since the ends are held in place by the channel frame. 2x8's will work better than 2x6's. 2x10's will be very hard to work with getting them to bend into the frame channels. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/18/2006 9:27:29 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Decking for trailer > > Hi Gary, > > I have only one thing to say. > > I used "Treated" 2x6's in the bed of my truck. > > I wound up with a floor of "Propellers". > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life > (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/317 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:13:58 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:13:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer In-Reply-To: <20060418.220648.1184.11.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060418.220648.1184.11.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418231302.03bbc348@mail.alltel.net> At 09:57 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Hi Gary, >I have only one thing to say. >I used "Treated" 2x6's in the bed of my truck. >I wound up with a floor of "Propellers". >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, That's TWO things! Dave From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 18 20:18:08 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:18:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <3847655.1145416688040.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> . If a person had the time and clamps, it > would be nice to purchase straight 2x8, lay them on edge and clamp together > with lots of clamps. Stick them in a garage to dry out and shrink, then install > them. Who has that time?? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ Tom, if you try this don't park it in the rain. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:30:28 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:30:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418232454.01aa88d8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Lyle, Please don't use the word "s#it" on the List. Such public use of the word may not be offensive to you as a Christian, but I'm sure it offends others on the List who have a higher standard of values than do you! Dave At 08:09 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every >thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly >that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the >list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time >went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing >from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen >to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when >some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a >nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their >garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what >was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes >all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false >Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects >that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain >aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say >good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think >that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday >you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just >maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it >is to late. > >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:33:54 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:33:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer In-Reply-To: <3847655.1145416688040.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> References: <3847655.1145416688040.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418233111.01ebc288@mail.alltel.net> At 11:18 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >. If a person had the time and clamps, it > > would be nice to purchase straight 2x8, lay them on edge and clamp > together > > with lots of clamps. Stick them in a garage to dry out and shrink, > then install > > them. Who has that time?? > > Tom Schmutz >Tom, if you try this don't park it in the rain. >J.B. Castagnos I rather like the "cracks" between the treated boards on my 18' tandem trailer. They allow the rain to run off, the oil to drip through and the dirt to shake through! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:56:52 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:56:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home> <000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> > The people I refer to know who they are and >I'll leave it at that. >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. Hi Lyle, Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 21:00:18 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:00:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites/Now OT and Lyle's hatred! In-Reply-To: <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235723.03c75420@mail.alltel.net> At 10:29 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: > I do get carried away because I'm a >Christian >Lyle Myles Hi Lyle, Most of us on the List have noticed this. It's a lot like what Muslims are saying on the lists to which they post! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 21:06:08 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:06:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <003201c6634e$a7e724a0$6400a8c0@home> References: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060415151333.03bb8e90@mail.alltel.net> <003201c6634e$a7e724a0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060419000444.03c0e880@mail.alltel.net> Oh Darn, I forgot that you still work with scissors! Dave At 09:14 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Dave ; > Thanks bud ! I just tried to cut and paste like you said ! Now I have > a big hole in my LCD monitor ! I'll be waiting for you in Aug !!! > >Rex > >; >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:22 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > >>Hi Tim, >> I know that you are a conservative and, therefore, unlike some >> on the List do NOT expect others to do your work for you. Therefore a few tips: >> 1.) Bookmark e-bay >> 2.) When a number shows up copy it >> 3.) Hit the e-bay bookmark >> 4.) Paste the number into the e-bay where it says :Start New Search" >> 5.) Click on "Search" >> 6.) BINGO! >>I'm sure that you will agree that the fact that you have old phone lines >>and a dial up connection in no way provides support for an argument that >>someone else should do your work for you. >> Dave >>PS, Don't worry that the person who complained about numbers will attempt >>1-6 (above.) That would take the ability to read and reason! >> >>At 02:20 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows >>>up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took >>>me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number >>>in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines >>>it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to >>>click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages >>>to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main >>>page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in >>>and then I do my searching from there. >>> >>>Tim Christoff >>>Basehor Kansas >>> >>> >>> > [Original Message] >>> > From: Dave Rotigel >>> > To: The SEL email discussion list >>> > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >>> > >>> > Hi Tim, >>> > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know >>> > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to >>>read >>> > the description! >>> > Dave >>> > >>> > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >>> > >Maybe this will help. >>> > >>> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http:/ >>> /sea >>>r >>> > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 >>> > > >>> > >Tim Christoff >>> > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is >>>something to >>> > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: > >>> 4/14/2006 >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 19 03:02:52 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:02:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > >> The people I refer to know who they are and >>I'll leave it at that. >>Lyle Myles >>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >>has >>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > Hi Lyle, > Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they > will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them > enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 19 03:26:25 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:26:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001701c6639b$b9cb7fc0$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> It is apparent that some of us have a deep seated problem ...could it be that their underpants are too tight or that something happened in their formative years . Lyle has made his feelings perfectly plain and you will never change him so why go on about it ? I personally don't give a stuff what he thinks but he does have the right to express his views. I was admonished about a posting ,I hit the wrong key and I guess that most of us have done that. I apologised but still received a message allegedly off list but of course it was on list, the writer could not resist the chance to have a go at me...does it worry me ,no way! We now have had a diatribe on Slick Willie , Bill Clinton ,Monika Lewin and God knows who else with some of the sordid details! I would say leave Lyle be . You know it is like a club I belong to ,there are a couple of dickheads in it as well they may be the cause of me leaving that club could be that I am expelled ,but that's another story............stay with us Lyle Lets give him some support and I don't mean joining his flock...he is interested in engines after all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > >> The people I refer to know who they are and >>I'll leave it at that. >>Lyle Myles >>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >>has >>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > Hi Lyle, > Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they > will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them > enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 19 04:50:02 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT In-Reply-To: <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I guess I always figured this is a list about stationary engines (and related equipment) it's a gathering place for people whose primary hobby/interest (well, besides the normal other interests) is engines. At least it's seemed like that for the past, what, 8 or 10 years or so.... That being said - if you go to an engine show or event or an auction where a collection of engines is being sold - do you walk away from friends if one of them suddenly starts talking about their new truck, or new baby/grandbaby, etc? In most cases, the topic will soon swing back to engines, but if you are at a show or whatever and go from crowd to crowd, group to group, and walk away from any where the topic is not solely engines, well, results could be lonely after a time. OK, so this is computer based and as such, there are limited resourcces for bandwidth (I'm on dial-up - no choice - and it can take 10 to 15 minutes to get my email in the evening) there is limited time to read messages, limited disk space, etc. We are human, and once in a while even those purists will slip up and need to talk about something else....... if you want the topic back on engines, then by all means, post something interesting you know or saw or ask a question about engines. Bill down by the river near Runnells, Iowa, USA > I did not start this rambling and as I said in the beginning I to thought > this was a site for engines and not every little thing a member could > think > of. I want to learn about old engines, how to fix them and rebuild someday > something that most would think is junk. I do get carried away because I'm > a > Christian and it just rubs me wrong when someone misleads others that's > all. > So if we can stay on track just a little about engines then I would be > happy. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 04:50:14 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:50:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: Lyle, I do not claim to be perfect, I'm far from it. I also make mistakes as I see you have by sending this message to the SEL(attached below). When you label youself as a christian and you speak in front of a group of 'non-belivers' they look to you as an example of a christianity. I think you should dust off your own bible and read James 3:3-12 specifically verse 10 and Colossians 3:8. After reading those verses please reread your post to the SEL below. Will you be going to the altar this Sunday? To get back on topic for what this list was created for...... I had a pastor and his family stop by our house Sunday afternoon so they could see my engines and watch one of them run. I pulled out the 8hp Stover and cranked it up for them. It didn't start up at first, but then it ran fine once I put some gas in it. Shirley had a good laugh because I'm known to run everything empty. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > >I listen >to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when >some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or >a >nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their >garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know >what >was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes >all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false >Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects >that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain >aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots >say >good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think >that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday >you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just >maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it >is to late. > >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 19 05:05:18 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:05:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm><000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001501c663a9$89cffd10$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT >I guess I always figured this is a list about stationary engines (and > related equipment) it's a gathering place for people whose primary > hobby/interest (well, besides the normal other interests) is engines. > At least it's seemed like that for the past, what, 8 or 10 years or so.... > That being said - if you go to an engine show or event or an auction where > a collection of engines is being sold - do you walk away from friends if > one of them suddenly starts talking about their new truck, or new > baby/grandbaby, etc? In most cases, the topic will soon swing back to > engines, but if you are at a show or whatever and go from crowd to crowd, > group to group, and walk away from any where the topic is not solely > engines, well, results could be lonely after a time. > OK, so this is computer based and as such, there are limited resourcces > for bandwidth (I'm on dial-up - no choice - and it can take 10 to 15 > minutes to get my email in the evening) there is limited time to read > messages, limited disk space, etc. > We are human, and once in a while even those purists will slip up and need > to talk about something else....... if you want the topic back on engines, > then by all means, post something interesting you know or saw or ask a > question about engines. > > Bill > down by the river near Runnells, Iowa, USA > >> I did not start this rambling and as I said in the beginning I to thought >> this was a site for engines and not every little thing a member could >> think >> of. I want to learn about old engines, how to fix them and rebuild >> someday >> something that most would think is junk. I do get carried away because >> I'm >> a >> Christian and it just rubs me wrong when someone misleads others that's >> all. >> So if we can stay on track just a little about engines then I would be >> happy. >> >> Lyle Myles >> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >> has >> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 19 05:35:55 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:35:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day In-Reply-To: <004b01c66218$b0df5000$f385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060419123548.RMVS1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Edd, Sounds like you had a great time playing with some nice engines. I am sure that all the tales that were told were true ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum where I am a member.They have some real nice engines and the 3 of us that look after them spent the day showing them to the public that came through.We ran the 5Hp Richard Hornsby Portable oil engine all day and it went real good.We also ran a 3Hp inter M.3Hp Wolseley sheep shearing plant and a 2Hp Roseberry engine on a very original concrete mixer.I took my 3.5Hp Sta-Rite out for it's first run since it came into my possession and it ran without missing a beat for 6 hrs.A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting in the autumn sun telling tales(mostly true) EDD PAYNE From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Apr 19 05:46:28 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:46:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to notice as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread will now go away. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:02 Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:56 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > > > > >> The people I refer to know who they are and > >>I'll leave it at that. > >>Lyle Myles > >>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > >>has > >>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > Hi Lyle, > > Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they > > will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them > > enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Apr 19 06:06:07 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:06:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day References: <20060419123548.RMVS1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004101c663b2$068a6720$5185dccb@oemcomputer> It was good!.Question.Saw the promo for the Collectors on the ABC.They showed a bloke starting a Lister diesel.Do you know if there is a bit on engine collecting coming up. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:35 Subject: RE: [SEL] Great day > Hi Edd, > Sounds like you had a great time playing with some nice engines. I > am sure that all the tales that were told were true ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum where I > am a member.They have some real nice engines and the 3 of us that look after > them spent the day showing them to the public that came through.We ran the > 5Hp Richard Hornsby Portable oil engine all day and it went real good.We > also ran a 3Hp inter M.3Hp Wolseley sheep shearing plant and a 2Hp Roseberry > engine on a very original concrete mixer.I took my 3.5Hp Sta-Rite out for > it's first run since it came into my possession and it ran without missing a > beat for 6 hrs.A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting > in the autumn sun telling tales(mostly true) > EDD PAYNE > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 19 05:43:29 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT In-Reply-To: <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, You are absolutely correct. Engine friendships are based on far more than simply engines. We discuss much at engine shows and other meetings and from time to time post such topics to the lists as well. It adds spice to life and provides additional dimensions to those we come to know via their posts. BUT... And it's a big BUT. Like your momma told you when you were a kid. "Son, when you're in that bar enjoying a beer, talk about anything, but leave the politics and religion at home." So it is with lists. Unmoderated topic-oriented lists (such as this one) operate by consensus. When a given topic crosses the line (as when Slick Willy was doing his thing in the oral office) or when folks begin to thump their bibles, or when folks go off the deep end on the latest idiocy on abortion or gun control, THAT is going beyond learning about a mate's new truck or his newfound passion for antique pipe organs. That's going OFF TOPIC. It's like letting a really stinky fart rip in an elevator. Sure you can do it, but let's face it, it's a damn rude thing to do. And THAT is why Jim Dunmyer setup the Slick Willy list. If someone feels the NEED to rip one, step off the elevator. Post it to Slick. We have great free-wheeling discussions over there (involving a great many of the folks who post to the engine lists). Nothing is sacred; any topic can be discussed and usually is. As I've said before, when you do post to Slick, if your thinking is fuzzy; if your logic is illogical, someone will likely hand you your head. But hey, if you ranted stupidly in a bar to a stranger, he'd likely put a beer bottle up your nose, so Slick is a kinder, gentler place in that regard. Now since I haven't seen any of these discussions over on Slick (YET), maybe folks need the instructions again. Political liberals & religious zealots are ESPECIALLY welcome. They have such fun, wacky ideas. 8-)) See below for the SIMPLE instructions for signing up for Slick. I hope to see you there and bring those discussions of religion, politics, abortion, guns, liberals, creation "science", etc. (and please do NOT post the above topics on the engine lists). See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I guess I always figured this is a list about stationary engines (and > related equipment) it's a gathering place for people whose primary > hobby/interest (well, besides the normal other interests) is engines. > At least it's seemed like that for the past, what, 8 or 10 years or so.... > That being said - if you go to an engine show or event or an auction where > a collection of engines is being sold - do you walk away from friends if > one of them suddenly starts talking about their new truck, or new > baby/grandbaby, etc? In most cases, the topic will soon swing back to > engines, but if you are at a show or whatever and go from crowd to crowd, > group to group, and walk away from any where the topic is not solely > engines, well, results could be lonely after a time. > OK, so this is computer based and as such, there are limited resourcces > for bandwidth (I'm on dial-up - no choice - and it can take 10 to 15 > minutes to get my email in the evening) there is limited time to read > messages, limited disk space, etc. > We are human, and once in a while even those purists will slip up and need > to talk about something else....... if you want the topic back on engines, > then by all means, post something interesting you know or saw or ask a > question about engines. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 19 06:23:28 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: Hi Lyle, Since it appears that you missed the earlier instructions on how to post to Slick Willy, I'll add them again. I've also copied this reply to Slick so that you can see how easy it is to actually take this crap over to a list where it can be debated to everyone's enjoyment. Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Lyle DeWitt Myles wrote: > This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Judging by your subsequent posts to the list on this topic, I'm guessing that the comments about this being your "last post" were made for rhetorical or dramatic effect. Would that be hypocrisy on your part? > I listen to Satin speak Ahhh, would that be a reference to the panties that someone said you appeared to have in a bunch? Damn. > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. And what does one do with all of the world's OTHER religions which do not in any way regard the bible as special, let alone truth? Generally speaking, those who persist in going over the edge for their particular flavor of religion are regarded as zealots. I do find it interesting that you equate zealotry with being nuts. On that point we do agree. > Any person in their right mind know what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, Again, you are fixated on your particular religion. You do realize that it's precisely this sort of religious intolerance that has lead to so many bloody wars? Why can't everyone just quietly worship whatever gods strike their fancy and we all just get along? As for me, the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult is welcoming all new members and we NEVER say anything bad about any of the world's thousands of other religions (no matter HOW goofy they are). > There will be some of you idiots say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it > is to late. Lyle, did it ever occur to you that there are folks in other religions (or none at all) who find the concept of being prayed for highly offensive? Those who would be friends are sensitive to the beliefs of others. I look forward to this thread continuing on Slick Willy rather than SEL. And just in case anyone has still missed it, the instructions for joining Slick are.... Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. Is the horse dead yet, or do we need to deliver a few more good whacks? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 19 06:46:59 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:46:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <20060419.100520.1284.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe, That's TWO things! Dave = = = = = = Doesn't Ft. Allen need you somewhere ? ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 08:10:57 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:10:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419110550.039958e0@lbpinc.com> If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. Example Also, If you add a item to your watch list in ebay then the address get's shorter. Example. This Becomes This And as has been pointed out, it can be shortened to this. Frank I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. --Albert Einstein-- From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 18 21:19:27 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:19:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <001301c66368$72f89480$82347246@mycomputer> Religion can make normal people very very angry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite > pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as > time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I > listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or > a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know > what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to > certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots > say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who > think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that > someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before > it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 19 10:09:53 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Edd, I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC edd payne wrote: >So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You >are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to notice >as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying >to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >will now go away. > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 19 11:06:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:06:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419110550.039958e0@lbpinc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419110550.039958e0@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060419140436.03cca748@mail.alltel.net> I don't know Frank. it seems to me that it's a lot easier to copy and paste the number (eg, 69696969) into an e-mail and send it off. Dave At 11:10 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these >at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. > >Example > > > >Also, If you add a item to your watch list in ebay then the address get's >shorter. > >Example. >This > > >Becomes This > >And as has been pointed out, it can be shortened to >this. > >Frank > >I want to know how God created the world. >I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, >in the spectrum of this or that element. >I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. >--Albert Einstein-- > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 19 11:06:27 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <001301c66368$72f89480$82347246@mycomputer> References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <001301c66368$72f89480$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <2791.165.206.180.19.1145469987.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I always wondered why it didn't happen to me, then I GOOGLED the word "normal". Bill > Religion can make normal people very very angry. > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 19 11:11:01 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:11:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email Message-ID: <20060419.111138.215.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Frank. That is good to know. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:10:57 -0400 Frank DeWitt writes: > If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of > > these at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. > > Example > > > > Also, If you add a item to your watch list in ebay then the address > > get's shorter. > > Example. > This > > > Becomes This > > > And as has been pointed out, it can be shortened to > this. > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 19 11:23:19 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:23:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <011101c663de$55f9c680$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, I would have answered if I knew the answer. I also was hoping for more response. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites Edd, I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC edd payne wrote: >So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You >are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >notice >as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying >to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >will now go away. > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 19 11:36:44 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <011101c663de$55f9c680$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> <011101c663de$55f9c680$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <2854.165.206.180.19.1145471804.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Dunno if this helps at all or not. I've never poured bearings - not sure I could or want to try. http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/bearing.htm Bill > Hi Curt, > > I would have answered if I knew the answer. I also was hoping for more > response. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > > Edd, > I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to > pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply > from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on > babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the > list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really > like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active > there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > edd payne wrote: > >>So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with >> engines.You >>are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >>notice >>as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for >> trying >>to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >>will now go away. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 11:41:51 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:41:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: HI Curt. I've been in conference with the other cloistered oyster brother about your bearings. His idea is so much easier that I'm sure everyone will want to use it. He just pours all his bearings out of JB Weld, It wears like babbitt, no heat, no bother, correct color, Your friends will be amazed at your skills. PS He asked to keep this a secret though so don't mention it to everyone! The other cloistered oyster. >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0400 > >Edd, >I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to pour >upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply from >Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on babbitt >pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the >list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really like >the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there if I >am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >edd payne wrote: > >>So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with >>engines.You >>are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >>notice >>as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying >>to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >>will now go away. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 14:01:29 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:01:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419165630.039b0de8@lbpinc.com> This information came from a conservative. That means that you are under no obligation to use it or even to believe it. Now you know, or might know it, and if you want to send some one a link to a great non ebay web page it might be handy, or not. Up to you. (smile) I don't know Frank. it seems to me that it's a lot easier to copy and paste the number (eg, 69696969) into an e-mail and send it off. Dave At 11:10 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these >at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 15:15:53 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Curt Mate you need to pick a subject we know something about, as you are our resident EXPERT pattern maker WE need to learn from you. Your work is out standing Kerry PS. Happend many times before, just one idiot starting a OT subject that everyone wants a go at, the crap will soon finish. --- Curt wrote: > Edd, > I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a > request about how to > pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. > Although an excellent reply __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 19 16:38:00 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:38:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419165630.039b0de8@lbpinc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419165630.039b0de8@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060419193655.03c748f8@mail.alltel.net> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you get Lyle to come out and play? Dave At 05:01 PM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >This information came from a conservative. That means that you are under >no obligation to use it or even to believe it. Now you know, or might know >it, and if you want to send some one a link to a great non ebay web page >it might be handy, or not. Up to you. (smile) > > >I don't know Frank. it seems to me that it's a lot easier to copy and paste >the number (eg, 69696969) into an e-mail and send it off. > Dave > >At 11:10 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: > >If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these > >at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Apr 19 16:56:23 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net><000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002301c6640c$dd655a70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Edd I was actually going to ask if you had any photos from the day for posting to the list. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You > are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to notice > as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying > to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread > will now go away. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > SEL mailing list > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 19 17:21:07 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:21:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <01bd01c66410$520cc220$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, Take a look at http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/bearing.htm Fake Shims: Temporary shims made of hardwood were used as all two piece bearings were poured as a unit. The hardwood shim was .125 in thickness and had four grooves cut on the surface that set against the crankshaft surface. These grooves allowed the molten metal to flow into the lower bearing space. The temporary wooden shims would be later replaced with metal shims when the engine was reassembled. It sounds like the babbitt was poured through the hole for the grease cup and allowed to run through cut outs in the wood shims. This would do top and bottom in the same shot. The wood shims are removed and the babbitt connecting the two bearing halves is cut away so the upper bearing can be removed. This is my take on it, maybe some others can read it and see what they think. To bad there are not any pictures. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. Guys, So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as well. I haven't melted them out yet. Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? I really need some good advice here! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at etczone.com Wed Apr 19 17:26:34 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:26:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - now back on topic! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c66411$14556440$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Luke, Been there done that! Remember a show last summer when I had to leave early in the evening. I filled my 1 1/2 Hercules with gas before leaving so it would be ready in the morning. What I didn't know was that after I left, my brother hooked it to his water pump display and pumped the engine until it was dry. Next morning, when I showed up, I spun the flywheels for about 30 minutes scratching my head as to why this always dependable engine wouldn't start! Finally, added "more" gas to what I thought was a full tank and it took right off. My brother and I both had a good laugh on this one when he showed up an hour later and explained! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:50 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: RE: [SEL] Hypocrites Lyle, I do not claim to be perfect, I'm far from it. I also make mistakes as I see you have by sending this message to the SEL(attached below). When you label youself as a christian and you speak in front of a group of 'non-belivers' they look to you as an example of a christianity. I think you should dust off your own bible and read James 3:3-12 specifically verse 10 and Colossians 3:8. After reading those verses please reread your post to the SEL below. Will you be going to the altar this Sunday? To get back on topic for what this list was created for...... I had a pastor and his family stop by our house Sunday afternoon so they could see my engines and watch one of them run. I pulled out the 8hp Stover and cranked it up for them. It didn't start up at first, but then it ran fine once I put some gas in it. Shirley had a good laugh because I'm known to run everything empty. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > >I listen >to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when >some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or >a >nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their >garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know >what >was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes >all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false >Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects >that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain >aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots >say >good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think >that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday >you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just >maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it >is to late. > >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 19 18:12:12 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:12:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: Message-ID: <003701c66417$74cfaaf0$d16e8645@mikecomp> What can I say, I learned that trick from STEVE!!!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > HI Curt. I've been in conference with the other cloistered oyster brother > about your bearings. His idea is so much easier that I'm sure everyone > will want to use it. He just pours all his bearings out of JB Weld, It > wears like babbitt, no heat, no bother, correct color, Your friends will > be amazed at your skills. PS He asked to keep this a secret though so > don't mention it to everyone! The other cloistered oyster. > > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites >>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0400 >> >>Edd, >>I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to >>pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply >>from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on >>babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the >>list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really >>like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there >>if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>edd payne wrote: >> >>>So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with >>>engines.You >>>are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >>>notice >>>as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for >>>trying >>>to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >>>will now go away. >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 18:16:33 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:16:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> Well as long as YOU ask. Grin I suspect Lyle is a great guy. I would like to meat him. In his defence, the love of God is so overwhelming that it makes you want to blab it to everyone you see. It is later after we have calmed down just a little, that we realize that God needs no defence, He can do it Him Self, and we are incapable of defendingHhim. Jesus was always ready to give an answer but never pushy. However, (big grin) if you WANT to know more, let's talk over on Slick. Frank ______________________________ ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you get Lyle to come out and play? Dave At 05:01 PM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >This information came from a conservative. That means that you are under >no obligation to use it or even to believe it. Now you know, or might know >it, and if you want to send some one a link to a great non ebay web page >it might be handy, or not. Up to you. (smile) I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. --Albert Einstein-- From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Apr 19 18:32:28 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:32:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of days from me. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > G'Day Curt > > Mate you need to pick a subject we know something > about, as you are our resident EXPERT pattern maker WE > need to learn from you. > > Your work is out standing > > Kerry > PS. Happend many times before, just one idiot starting > a OT subject that everyone wants a go at, the crap > will soon finish. > > --- Curt wrote: > >> Edd, >> I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a >> request about how to >> pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. >> Although an excellent reply > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 19 19:28:27 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:28:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Very well said Frank. If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > > It is later after we have calmed down just a little, that we realize > that God needs no defence, He can do it Him Self, and we are > incapable of defendingHhim. Jesus was always ready to give an answer > but never pushy. However, (big grin) if you WANT to know more, let's > talk over on Slick. > > Frank > > From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 19:43:18 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:43:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Making spark plug parts. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419223057.01bb8698@lbpinc.com> Hi John. If you are taking Corning Macor it is machinable but just, Find out all you can about how to sharpen tools for it. and how to machine it before you begin. If at all possible, visit a shop that has done it. If not you will want to do a little machining on a small scrap to get used to it. Use LOTS of coolant. BTW You might want to look at castable ceramics as well, actually a ceramic rich Epoxy. Praise God Frank I got one for you. I need to rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 19 20:06:23 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:06:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Flywheel for 6 HP Tecumseh Message-ID: <020101c66427$6893b2d0$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I am still trying to get the old early 60's Troy-Bilt tiller going. I took the flywheel off of the engine yesterday to look at the points since I did not have any spark and I found that the magnets on the inside of the flywheel had come loose and were just hanging onto the flywheel by the magnetism. They were not even in the original place as you could see where they use to me. I have taken some pictures of the flywheel and the ignition. I am also missing the metal points cover and the spring that holds the cover on. This is a HH60 6 Hp Tecumseh engine. http://community.webshots.com/photo/2521269680049103604NiWHKO The flywheel is 6-3/4" in diameter, approximately 2-3/4" thick measured from the end of one fin to the thickest part of the other side of the flywheel. The hole size at the front of the flywheel is 1/2" tapering up to 3/4" at the back. It is a cast iron flywheel. If anyone has one that I could obtain from you I would appreciate it very much as well as the points cover and retaining spring to hold the cover on. Many Thanks, Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Apr 19 20:53:06 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:53:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff In-Reply-To: <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to work in a spark plug. John On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 01:38:47 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:38:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <004401c66456$3e47dd60$3f84dccb@oemcomputer> EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 01:28:44 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:28:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net><000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3><002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <002301c6640c$dd655a70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <004301c66456$3d754b20$3f84dccb@oemcomputer> No .Sorry Ron.It was a museum day and we just had a quiet day. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:56 Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > Edd > > I was actually going to ask if you had any photos from the day for posting > to the list. > > Ron > Canberra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > > > So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with > engines.You > > are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to > notice > > as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying > > to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread > > will now go away. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > > SEL mailing list > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 01:40:16 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:40:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going to have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal choice. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to work in a spark plug. John On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Apr 20 01:57:18 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <004401c66456$3e47dd60$3f84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008901c66458$6e213ed0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Ok here Edd Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: [SEL] test > > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 20 05:58:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:58:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally Message-ID: <20060420125800.DQSF1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I hope to see a few list members at the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth on the weekend. At the moment it looks like I will probably only be there on Saturday but it will still be fun. When I got home from work today I decided to give the mighty YC Stover a test run before loading and after 5 minutes of cranking gave up as the &*#%@#% piece of &%$@#$ would not start. So I took the dog for a walk, did the shopping, came home and poured some fresh fuel in the tank and the beautiful engine fired first hit and ran like a clock :) Nothing runs as sweet as a big throttler! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 20 06:28:15 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:28:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> RE: Morpeth Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c6647c$8a2fd270$0701a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <20060420132805.ECDF1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I had forgotten how long the fuel had been in the tank (since December). I find the premium keeps its kick a lot longer than the lower octane unleaded. The ignitor engines seem to be a lot more sensitive to stale fuel than the spark plug engines. The big Buzacott and the Challenge will start on fuel that has been sitting in their tanks for months and months while the Stover (obviously) and the R&Vs like fresh fuel to start. The 12hp R&V will happily run on fuel that has been sitting in its big base tank for ages but it will only start on fresh fuel. This is Australia Peter. Beer never stays around long enough to get stale! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Secret there Patrick is with unleaded crap petrol (gas) ONLY use fresh stuff, a week or two in the tin and it is useless on low compression engines. >From one who has the crank scars to prove it, like many others, nothing worse than cranking an engine and cranking cranking cranking cranking &*#%@#% just because of stale fuel. Nearly as bad and drinking stale beer ;-)) Peter, Oz From jhcullom at adelphia.net Thu Apr 20 07:34:26 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:34:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> <01bd01c66410$520cc220$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <007501c66487$86b99670$6401a8c0@office> Hi fellas, question here from the back row. The keyway on the flywheel shaft on my 7hp Galloway is buggered up pretty badly, consequently I'm not able to tighten up the flywheel sufficiently. Is it common practice to build it up by welding & then to cut a new keyway? Thanks, John From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 20 09:04:43 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:04:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pouring cap babbitt. References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3><002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Aplogize Curt...you've ALWAYS been so helpful to me. Two ways that I know of: (1) Pour thru the greaser hole. Probably requires lifting the head end of the engine to level flat surfaces and puts the greaser hole exactly on top. I didn't use this process. (2) The "brass screw/locknut method" which I used. Requires drilling/taping small holes in the bearing cap. Now the cap can be clamped to the cs with proper alignment, cs and cap removed from base, cap/cs inverted and babbitt poured. I liked this method and seems to have worked well for me. Few more hours on the sawing outfit and I'll remove and inspect. I plugged most of the grease cup hole before the pour and drilled a hole later. The babbitt left in the hole will hopefully lock the upper bearing. You might just want to screw the greaser in and plug the small hole. Now your assured the grease cup is in tight enough. That IMO would be the simple way. I believe I used around 3/16ths worth of shim stock. Here's some pictures pard: http://community.webshots.com/album/450795558NLeJLC GOOD LUCK RickinMt. Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > Edd, > I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to > pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply > from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on > babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the > list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really > like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active > there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > edd payne wrote: > > >So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with > >engines.You > >are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to > >notice > >as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for > >trying > >to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread > >will now go away. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 20 10:55:45 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:55:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking--Thank you Message-ID: <034001c664a3$aa6ec1f0$5b83fb40@gary> Thank you one and all who responded to my inquiry. It sounds like treated 2"x8"s are the way to go. Tim's suggestion of storing the lumber over the winter in the barn sounds good, but I didn't plan far enough ahead for that. Using oak is attractive, but I am not sure I can flex it into the channels after it seasons. Abitong sounds like I would never have to redeck in my lifetime. I presume it would be hard to find reasonably priced here in the Ozarks. I will use treated, ACQ I think, 2"x8"s installed as soon as I get them. I will buy an extra an extra 2"x6" for ripping and filling gaps later. Like you Arnie, I appreciate the fact that the spaces between the boards allow for water drainage, but small gravel and sticks lodge in them as well and can be an irritant so I think I will try to fill the spaces this time. Thanks again for your collective advice. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Apr 20 11:19:34 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:19:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060420140753.045d1dd8@lbpinc.com> Thank you one and all who responded to my inquiry. It sounds like treated 2"x8"s are the way to go. ---------------------------------- Now that you have the decking figured out, how about tie downs. Long ago I saw a clever tie down. I think it came from Daves son? any way it consisted of a hold drilled through the deck every where they wanted a tie down. UNDER each hole was fastened a pipe flange. Three links of chain were passed through the hole in the pipe flange and the end links were clamped in a vice end to end and deformed until round. This setup gives a chain link that rests just below the surface of the deck until needed. then it can be pulled up and used. Frank "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw From jnyost at yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 09:45:28 2006 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair In-Reply-To: <007501c66487$86b99670$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20060420164528.61845.qmail@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, I have filled the old key way and then recut a new key way 180 degrees. You can weld them up but watch putting too much heat on the shaft. My 2 cents worth, Jim --- John Cullom wrote: > Hi fellas, question here from the back row. The > keyway on the flywheel shaft > on my 7hp Galloway is buggered up pretty badly, > consequently I'm not able to > tighten up the flywheel sufficiently. Is it common > practice to build it up > by welding & then to cut a new keyway? > Thanks, > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mholland at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 20 11:46:38 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites (Now Curt Metalcasting) In-Reply-To: <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Rick let me know when he gets there. He never remembers to call home and has turned his cell phone off. Missy PS. Just checking to make sure a bear did not eat him last night. > Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of > days > from me. :-) > > Rick > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 20 12:06:27 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:06:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites (Now Curt Metalcasting) In-Reply-To: <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060420150430.03dafc08@mail.alltel.net> Hi Missy, This is off List. I'll see you tonight by 7;00 or so. It's nice of Devin's grandparents to have him stay at their place for a few days! Dave At 02:46 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >Rick let me know when he gets there. He never remembers to call home and >has turned his cell phone off. > >Missy > >PS. Just checking to make sure a bear did not eat him last night. > > > Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of > > days > > from me. :-) > > > > Rick > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Apr 20 12:53:54 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites (Now Curt Metalcasting) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060420150430.03dafc08@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060420150430.03dafc08@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1738.165.206.180.19.1145562834.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> SURE it is................ > Hi Missy, > This is off List. I'll see you tonight by 7;00 or so. It's nice > of > Devin's grandparents to have him stay at their place for a few days! > Dave > > At 02:46 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >>Rick let me know when he gets there. He never remembers to call home and >>has turned his cell phone off. >> >>Missy >> >>PS. Just checking to make sure a bear did not eat him last night. >> >> > Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of >> > days >> > from me. :-) >> > >> > Rick >> > >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 20 14:02:50 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:02:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. Message-ID: <20060420.170640.888.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Frank, I saw that system used on Arnie's trailer and have put them in my truck floor. They work great and do not obstruct the floor when not in use. Thanks Arnie. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 14:44:18 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:44:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com><00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61><1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000f01c664c3$94823780$8e84dccb@oemcomputer> I have been using teflon on the rebuilding and making of igniters for years and have not had one failure.It has never melted or burned and many engines I have used it in have been throttle gov and run real hot.Many ign repairers in the US also us it.Some don't like it as it is fairly soft and less allowances are made the stationary electrode can tend to work loose.If you use glass filled teflon some of this problem is alleviated. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:40 Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going to > have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal choice. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > > Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable > substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to > work in a spark plug. > > John > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > > > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 14:47:25 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:47:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally References: <20060420125800.DQSF1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001b01c664c4$03f39320$8e84dccb@oemcomputer> See you there.I am all loaded and ready to go.I am taking my 8hp Foos Jr portable. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:58 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally > I hope to see a few list members at the Hunter Valley Club's rally at > Morpeth on the weekend. At the moment it looks like I will probably only be > there on Saturday but it will still be fun. > When I got home from work today I decided to give the mighty YC Stover a > test run before loading and after 5 minutes of cranking gave up as the > &*#%@#% piece of &%$@#$ would not start. So I took the dog for a walk, did > the shopping, came home and poured some fresh fuel in the tank and the > beautiful engine fired first hit and ran like a clock :) > Nothing runs as sweet as a big throttler! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 20 14:54:17 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:54:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking--Thank you References: <034001c664a3$aa6ec1f0$5b83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <000a01c664c4$f9eaf390$6400a8c0@home> Gary : If you got a table saw and someone to help do like I did on my trailer , I stood the boards on end and cut a 1/2 grouve the length of the board down the center of the thickness then I cut the board laying down which took a1/2 by 1/2 strip out , do the same on the other edge but on the bottom , start with a board grooved only on one side then both sides from there on , you will have an overlap on each board some what like tounge and groove , shrinkage won't be a problem ,water can drain out but very little can get in from wheel spray if you happen to haul a tarped load and no dirt and gravel can get in also some warped boards wont cause a problem , a little extra work but worth the time Rex Hinz > I will buy an extra an extra 2"x6" for ripping and filling gaps later. > Like you Arnie, I appreciate the fact that the spaces between the boards > allow for water drainage, but small gravel and sticks lodge in them as > well and can be an irritant so I think I will try to fill the spaces this > time. > > Thanks again for your collective advice. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From svsuzanne at copper.net Thu Apr 20 15:05:24 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com><01bd01c66410$520cc220$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <007501c66487$86b99670$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000f01c664c6$8806ff60$78a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> That's exactly how you do it John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Old Engine List" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair > > Hi fellas, question here from the back row. The keyway on the flywheel > shaft on my 7hp Galloway is buggered up pretty badly, consequently I'm not > able to tighten up the flywheel sufficiently. Is it common practice to > build it up by welding & then to cut a new keyway? > Thanks, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/2006 > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 16:56:31 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:56:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com><00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61><1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000f01c664c3$94823780$8e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011201c664d6$0cabc340$b0506e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Edd, Teflon on an ignitor sounds like a good choice to me, I expect it would last almost forever. I do not think it would stand up at all well as a ceramic replacement on a spark plug. The tip of the plug will far exceed 500 F. Probably never get close to that on an ignitor engine. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff I have been using teflon on the rebuilding and making of igniters for years and have not had one failure.It has never melted or burned and many engines I have used it in have been throttle gov and run real hot.Many ign repairers in the US also us it.Some don't like it as it is fairly soft and less allowances are made the stationary electrode can tend to work loose.If you use glass filled teflon some of this problem is alleviated. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:40 Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going to > have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal choice. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > > Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable > substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to > work in a spark plug. > > John > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > > > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 20 17:10:24 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:10:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. Message-ID: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:55:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: << I need to rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. >> John, Rebuilding ignitors I know about, but rebuilding spark plugs at home, I do not know about. Could you elaborate? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 20 17:27:17 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:27:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060420140753.045d1dd8@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <003101c664da$59989da0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. > > Thank you one and all who responded to my inquiry. It sounds like treated > 2"x8"s are the way to go. > > ---------------------------------- > > Now that you have the decking figured out, how about tie downs. Long > ago I saw a clever tie down. I think it came from Daves son? any > way it consisted of a hold drilled through the deck every where they > wanted a tie down. UNDER each hole was fastened a pipe > flange. Three links of chain were passed through the hole in the > pipe flange and the end links were clamped in a vice end to end and > deformed until round. > This setup gives a chain link that rests just below the surface of > the deck until needed. then it can be pulled up and used. > Frank Hi Frank,many years ago I used to go to engine shows in a caravan. I think that is a trailer in American. I needed a secure tie down point in the van for the engine we were carrying but didn't want anything in the way when we were living in the van. I drilled 4 holes though the wooden floor (And Carpet) & fitted 4 removable Eye bolts to tie the engine down. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/2218390600028520097DJkYco When the exhibit was removed the carpet covered the holes. We used this for 15 years with no problems. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengin at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 17:43:57 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:43:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking References: <034001c664a3$aa6ec1f0$5b83fb40@gary> <000a01c664c4$f9eaf390$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <002601c664dc$ad027540$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> OK here is my .02........ Telephone poles are treated and work great for decking and can be lighter weight and very durable. They can also be cut on a 30 degree angle on the edge and over lapped to allow drainage and LESS gap in the boards. One thing I learned is use limited bolts ( preferred 3/8 but 5/16 will work also) in your deck for many different reasons (1) these spots seem to rot first (2) these are the spots that seem to catch on everything you load (3) they get in the road of the "ARNIE" tie downs, ok I made that one up, but the other reasons are true From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 20 17:48:08 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:48:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ad on Harry's Message-ID: <44482BC8.8080902@scrtc.com> This ad was posted on Harry's a little bit ago. I'm not sure if they're talking about iron or people (maybe leave it up to our imagination?). WTD: 6h.p. ass. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 20 18:01:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:01:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff In-Reply-To: <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <54f0a759dd518b602c647cb2a626e065@chartertn.net> As I recall, it's been used in spark plugs for model engines. John On Apr 20, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going > to > have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal > choice. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 20 18:09:11 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ad on Harry's In-Reply-To: <44482BC8.8080902@scrtc.com> References: <44482BC8.8080902@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <86a15560933e8fafb0cf8430215f316a@chartertn.net> That'd be a big'un. John On Apr 20, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > This ad was posted on Harry's a little bit ago. I'm not sure if > they're talking about iron or people (maybe leave it up to our > imagination?). > > WTD: 6h.p. ass. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Ratzandcatz at aol.com Thu Apr 20 18:24:21 2006 From: Ratzandcatz at aol.com (Ratzandcatz at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:24:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber Message-ID: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Hey Everyone, I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My new issue didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and on the way back to South Carolina, I wanted to contact a gentleman who makes carts for hit and miss engines. In the last issue of GEM, on the first page of the For Sale classified (I think), was a picture and contact information for a man in, I think Cedar Hill, MO. He makes oak carts with iron wheels for 150.00. I was wanting to contact him and maybe stop by and see one of the carts, but as I said, I don't have my GEM with me. If someone could email me with his address and phone number, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Mell Wallace Laurens, SC From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 20 18:43:22 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:43:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber Message-ID: <20060420.214322.832.1.jlb94@juno.com> I'd love to help you, Mell. But I don't see what you are talking about. There is a guy from Carver, MA selling Oak Carts with Iron Wheels. Price $200 + $50 S&H Name Allen Hanford 16 Silva Street Carver, MA 02330 508-866-4075 Can't find anything else close. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From b2 at chooka.net Thu Apr 20 18:55:09 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:55:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <200604202055208.SM02784@wrbpc> Mell, I've been known to overlook the obvious, but I just scanned the March, April, and May issues and don't see what you describe. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ratzandcatz at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber Hey Everyone, I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My new issue didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and on the way back to South Carolina, I wanted to contact a gentleman who makes carts for hit and miss engines. In the last issue of GEM, on the first page of the For Sale classified (I think), was a picture and contact information for a man in, I think Cedar Hill, MO. He makes oak carts with iron wheels for 150.00. I was wanting to contact him and maybe stop by and see one of the carts, but as I said, I don't have my GEM with me. If someone could email me with his address and phone number, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Mell Wallace Laurens, SC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 20 18:57:48 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:57:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com> Message-ID: <006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> Hi Tom. The plugs I am goping to be rebuilding are 3/4 pipe thread long reach and are no longer made. NOS ones are expensive, I just paid $75 ea for a pair of them. I have never been a fan of working with Mica, nothing against it other than I don't like working with it. Mica washers and tubes are what was used for an insulator on my old plugs. If I wasn't trying to be original I would just buy some 1/2" plugs and use bushings. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:55:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: > > << I need to rebuild > some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. >> > > > John, > > Rebuilding ignitors I know about, but rebuilding spark plugs at home, I do > not know about. Could you elaborate? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > From reb at apex.net Thu Apr 20 19:00:10 2006 From: reb at apex.net (Dickie) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:00:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber References: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <007501c664e7$53479160$0202a8c0@Dads> I think Murry Abramson from Cedar Hill is the guy you are looking for but I haven't found his number yet. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber > Hey Everyone, > I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. > I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My > new issue > didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and > on > the way back to > South Carolina, I wanted to contact a gentleman who makes carts for hit > and > miss engines. > In the last issue of GEM, on the first page of the For Sale classified (I > think), was a picture and contact information for a man in, I think Cedar > Hill, > MO. He makes oak carts with iron wheels for 150.00. I was wanting to > contact him and maybe stop by and see one of the carts, but as I said, I > don't > have my GEM with me. If someone could email me with his address and phone > number, I would greatly appreciate it. > Thanks in advance, > Mell Wallace > Laurens, SC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 20 19:08:11 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com><00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61><1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net><005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <54f0a759dd518b602c647cb2a626e065@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <006c01c664e8$7187e700$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> I've rebuilt one igniter using Teflon and it works well--however that engine only "plays". The plugs go into a 2 cylinder Titan tractor. The engine is practically a 2 cylinder throttle and govenor engine---they actually marketed the engine for sale as a power unit. It runs hot--especially when you load it. I plan on having this tractor so it can work--not just look pretty. Some of the materials I plan on looking at are Garolite/G10 and glassfilled delrin. I think the biggest issue is going to be between heat range and costing so much I could just buy more new plugs. Mica washers and tubes are definetly a cheap way out--less than $10 in material for each plug. I'll let you guys know how this turns out. John From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Apr 20 19:14:26 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:14:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <20060420.214322.832.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005701c664e9$50da5000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Mel, Found it! Price $150 Murray Abrahamson 9639 Hwy NN Cedar Hills, Mo 63016 636-274-5389 Page 50 of the April GEM for those of you playing at home! Hope this helps Mel. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:43 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber I'd love to help you, Mell. But I don't see what you are talking about. There is a guy from Carver, MA selling Oak Carts with Iron Wheels. Price $200 + $50 S&H Name Allen Hanford 16 Silva Street Carver, MA 02330 508-866-4075 Can't find anything else close. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Apr 20 19:18:48 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:18:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060420221540.00c3eda0@pop3.accnorwalk.com> I'm thinking the guy you are looking for is Lowell Abrahms or Abrahmson. I can't find his ad either. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Apr 20 19:41:44 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:41:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20060420221540.00c3eda0@pop3.accnorwalk.com> References: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060420223903.00c37c70@pop3.accnorwalk.com> All I had to do was send and then I'd find it. Murray Abrahamson-9639 Hwy NN-Cedar Hill MO-636-274-5389 Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 20 19:00:18 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber References: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <016a01c664e7$5cc2a180$240110ac@PAUL2> Hello Mell, The information you want is: Murray Abrahamsom, 9639 Highway NN, Cedar Hill, Mo 63016 (636) 274-5389 Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber > Hey Everyone, > I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. > I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My > new issue > didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and > on > the way back to > From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Apr 20 22:54:23 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:54:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally Message-ID: <381.13a7760.3179cd8f@aol.com> see you there Patrick, I am going for the 2 days and taking the Challenge, still can't get the Olds to keep running. --part1_381.13a7760.3179cd8f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable see you there Patrick, I am going f= or the 2 days and taking the Challenge, still can't get the Olds to keep run= ning. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 20 23:44:52 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:44:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally In-Reply-To: <381.13a7760.3179cd8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060421064442.GCQN14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I will be there but sadly the Stover will not. I had the winch cable snap and the engine rapidly descend the ramps! The winch is destroyed as is the regulator off the compressor. The compressor was pushed into the engine crane which fell and just missed my model Eclipse, that could have been very, very messy. I am not very amused and the heart rate certainly jumped! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- see you there Patrick, I am going for the 2 days and taking the Challenge, still can't get the Olds to keep running. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Fri Apr 21 13:30:08 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:30:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair References: <20060420164528.61845.qmail@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027b01c66582$61ea3290$6401a8c0@office> My thanks to all who've offered suggestions & answers to my keyway question. Don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I've got a line on a machinist who's going to look at it & let me know. John From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 21 16:15:56 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:15:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] For our Australian Members Message-ID: <002c01c66599$8f044060$3ac10b52@no1> Passed on from the English Engine group. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Scenic" Newsgroups: uk.rec.engines.stationary Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Aussie engine collection > This may interest some of the readers of this NG. It might be reason enough > to travel to Darwin. > http://www.abc.net.au/tv/collectors/txt/s1621413.htm Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From falcon at telenet.net Fri Apr 21 20:12:33 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com> <006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <010901c665ba$99a222a0$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Wander into a ceramics shop. They might be able to make you new insulators reasonable. My aunt does ceramic and has made me some interesting items using simple molds and ceramic slurry. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > Hi Tom. The plugs I am goping to be rebuilding are 3/4 pipe thread long > reach and are no longer made. NOS ones are expensive, I just paid $75 ea > for a pair of them. > I have never been a fan of working with Mica, nothing against it other than > I don't like working with it. Mica washers and tubes are what was used for > an insulator on my old plugs. If I wasn't trying to be original I would just > buy some 1/2" plugs and use bushings. > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:55:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > << I need to rebuild > > some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. >> > > > > > > John, > > > > Rebuilding ignitors I know about, but rebuilding spark plugs at home, I do > > not know about. Could you elaborate? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 21 21:11:44 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:11:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] For our Australian Members References: <002c01c66599$8f044060$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <000a01c665c2$e184dec0$328531cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have never met Leo Izod but I think he still belongs to our club ........one of those unseen members. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [SEL] For our Australian Members > Passed on from the English Engine group. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From: "Scenic" > Newsgroups: uk.rec.engines.stationary > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:49 PM > Subject: Aussie engine collection > > >> This may interest some of the readers of this NG. It might be reason >> enough >> to travel to Darwin. >> http://www.abc.net.au/tv/collectors/txt/s1621413.htm > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Apr 22 03:09:12 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:09:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics Message-ID: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 22 07:36:01 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:36:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> Thanks Patrick,well done as usual. Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:09 PM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 22 09:08:19 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <001a01c66626$f952a050$240110ac@PAUL2> Great Pictures Patrick, thanks for taking the time to post them and to share them with us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Thanks Patrick,well done as usual. > Ray Freeman > Perth > W.Australia From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 22 12:01:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:01:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> References: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, Those engines you identify as being Emu's (Hercules)... Are they built in Oz under license from Hercules or shipped over and re-badged? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060044.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060086.JPG Glenn, do you have any of 'em in your Hercules records? Looks like a fun rally. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:09 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > > Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 22 12:15:13 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:15:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman Message-ID: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> I just received a phone call from Arnie Hartman's daughter that Arnie passed away this morning. Services this Wednesday. Charlie Bryant Jay, ME From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 22 12:51:04 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:51:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422154804.0c1b0db8@mail.alltel.net> At 06:09 AM 4/22/2006, you wrote: >Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >Patrick M Livingstone Great pictures Patrick! Dave PS, Did anyone else notice that the ONLY fence in any of the pictures was AROUND Reg--and it appeared to be barbed wire fencing at that! It seems as though "The National" and Reg have finally come to some sort of understanding! From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Apr 22 13:09:29 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:09:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Great pics, as usual, Patrick. Shame you couldn't've got them up for us all to see a bit faster ;-) Questions/ comments: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060022.JPG Reg - are those wheels on the grass the ones you've had to make to be able to finish the Bromps casting models, because he's still not supplied you with all that you paid for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060070.JPG I assume Oz rallies have a beer tent like a proper engine rally should have? And it is possible to over indulge a little? We don't often have bodies strewn around the engine display area here in the UK though. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still think this is an absolute monstrosity. Dolly Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html > > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 13:29:39 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:29:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman In-Reply-To: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I'm sorry to hear it. My sympathies to the Hartman family. John On Apr 22, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Charles R Bryant wrote: > I just received a phone call from Arnie Hartman's daughter that Arnie > passed away this morning. Services this Wednesday. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 13:30:59 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:30:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422154804.0c1b0db8@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <6.1.2.0.0.20060422154804.0c1b0db8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: > PS, Did anyone else notice that the ONLY fence in any of the pictures > was AROUND Reg--and it appeared to be barbed wire fencing at that! It > seems as though "The National" and Reg have finally come to some sort > of understanding! I was disappointed that I couldn't see any models surrounding Reg, as the caption indicated. All I saw were a bunch of little engines. I'll bet Reg was disappointed, too. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 22 13:37:47 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:37:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422163534.0c204b50@mail.alltel.net> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG >Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still >think this is an absolute monstrosity. >Dolly This is what happens when women do not understand their place in OUR hobby. The same thing began to happen here in the USA since the 20's we gave them the vote! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Apr 22 14:30:29 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:30:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <004301c66653$fcab95e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Actually, they are a pair that I collected from Canberra rally for a friend further north. I had to machine the rims for him as his lathe is not big enough. He never showed up so they are back in the shed. They are 6 spoke, The Monitor has five spokes. But, All 4 Monitor models are now finished and running, as I machined the needed wheels from solid Cast iron. Bromps can go and rot! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Great pics, as usual, Patrick. Shame you couldn't've got them up for us > all to see a bit faster ;-) > > Questions/ comments: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060022.JPG > Reg - are those wheels on the grass the ones you've had to make to be able > to finish the Bromps casting models, because he's still not supplied you > with all that you paid for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060070.JPG > I assume Oz rallies have a beer tent like a proper engine rally should > have? And it is possible to over indulge a little? We don't often have > bodies strewn around the engine display area here in the UK though. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG > Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still > think this is an absolute monstrosity. > > Dolly > > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >>Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> >> > -- > > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 22 15:50:35 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:50:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wapakoneta Show Message-ID: <1145746235.444ab33bbe257@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Has anyone attended the Buckeye Farm Antiques show at the Auglaize County Fairgrounds in Wapakoneta, Ohio? Refer to the ad on page 316 of the Show Directory. I think this is Doug Etzkorn's local show. It's May 26-28, 2006. What's the show like? Are there many engines? How about the grounds? Do they have a water wagon for filling hoppers? Any comments or impressions would be appreciated. I'm thinking about adding this one to the show schedule for this year. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 17:04:56 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:04:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG > Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still > think this is an absolute monstrosity. I agree with you, Dolly. It would've been much prettier with a contrasting chartreuse on the flywheel rim and various small parts. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 22 17:30:21 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:30:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422202946.0c24b6c8@mail.alltel.net> At 08:04 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG >>Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still >>think this is an absolute monstrosity. > >I agree with you, Dolly. It would've been much prettier with a contrasting >chartreuse on the flywheel rim and various small parts. > >John Culp Is "chartreuse" something like PUCE? Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 18:08:19 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:08:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422202946.0c24b6c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.0.20060422202946.0c24b6c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: > Is "chartreuse" something like PUCE? > Dave No, but it's a complementary color to it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ihcboggs at jayco.net Sat Apr 22 18:49:00 2006 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Delco-Light Power Plant Washing Machine Message-ID: <002001c66678$1b721d90$b05428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> We just aquired a Delco Light Power Plant Washing Machine. I was wondering if anyone has any info on this? Delco-Light Company of Dayton, OH is the place that made it, and it has a copper wash drum, as well as the power plant engine that goes with it. It's the one that used 32 volt DC power . Thanks in Advance. Casey From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sat Apr 22 18:48:36 2006 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:48:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford Truck Message-ID: <00ca01c66678$0a2b8210$97c5dccb@brian> Hi Folks Our Historical Village & Musem looks like being given a rusting relic to restore. It is a 1934 Ford Flathead V8 Tow Truck...Twin rear wheels.Open sides timber cab. Missing starter motor and 1 headlamp. Pretty poor condition. Has anyone restored one of these? Please email me off list . brianne at ultratune.com.au Many Thanks Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5063 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From oldengin at verizon.net Sat Apr 22 18:50:35 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:50:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman References: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <006401c66678$50d91330$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> I just received a phone call from Arnie Hartman's daughter that Arnie passed away this morning. Services this Wednesday. Arnie was a good fellow and nice person selling engins the right way. Ask some time about the "M" I sold for him! Leroy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 23 01:51:33 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:51:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060423085117.RIJB3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, The Emu engines are US made Hercules engines rebadged by the local agent (Clark & Fausett). Emu sounds much more Australian than Hercules. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, Those engines you identify as being Emu's (Hercules)... Are they built in Oz under license from Hercules or shipped over and re-badged? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060044.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060086.JPG Glenn, do you have any of 'em in your Hercules records? Looks like a fun rally. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 23 01:55:13 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:55:13 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060423085457.RJUZ3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Dolly, The beer is usually consumed in large quantities during the night. Perhaps someone had over indulged and was sleeping it off. I know a few Aussie list members who have had to do this at various rallies (I have photo evidence). I cannot even put into words the horror of the pink engine. Someone obviously loves it :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Great pics, as usual, Patrick. Shame you couldn't've got them up for us all to see a bit faster ;-) Questions/ comments: for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060070.JPG I assume Oz rallies have a beer tent like a proper engine rally should have? And it is possible to over indulge a little? We don't often have bodies strewn around the engine display area here in the UK though. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still think this is an absolute monstrosity. Dolly From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 23 02:30:50 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral Message-ID: <000801c666b8$9c36f1e0$93c1eedc@fred> Can anyone tell me where to find the Austral engine No. date page Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 23 06:07:01 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:07:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick.--ceramic References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com><006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> <010901c665ba$99a222a0$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <006201c666d6$d02a85c0$93d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Now thats an interesting idea. I'll have to give that one some more thought. Wonder if ceramic for "decorative" items is the same as what is used for industrial items? My biggest concern would be failure of the ceramic and having it dissentegrate and fall into the combustion chamber. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > Wander into a ceramics shop. They might be able to make you new > insulators reasonable. My aunt does ceramic and has made me some > interesting items using simple molds and ceramic slurry. > > Steve Williams > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 23 08:34:05 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:34:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick.--ceramic In-Reply-To: <006201c666d6$d02a85c0$93d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com><006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> <010901c665ba$99a222a0$371117d1@net.telenet.net> <006201c666d6$d02a85c0$93d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <9c754af7c0e15e947f2d5fd6f2730836@chartertn.net> Also, of fouling accumulation. No, spark plug ceramic is not your standard pottery or porcelain. It's a special blend that's mostly pure AL2O3. John On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:07 AM, John Hall wrote: > Now thats an interesting idea. I'll have to give that one some more > thought. Wonder if ceramic for "decorative" items is the same as what > is used for industrial items? My biggest concern would be failure of > the ceramic and having it dissentegrate and fall into the combustion > chamber. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Apr 23 10:56:28 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:56:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub / Massey Harris R20 question Message-ID: <200604232000687.SM01012@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if the serial number of these engines is stamped somewhere on the engine? A friend has one with a missing spec plate. plate. Also, is there a way of telling if it was a Cushman or MH - I have a very rusted one with no paint or spec plate ? Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Apr 23 16:36:38 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:36:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day References: <004b01c66218$b0df5000$f385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <01bb01c6672e$c5fff3c0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hi Edd, What a great museum that is, one of the best I've seen, if not the best. I'll bet you had a ball with the new engine too. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [SEL] Great day > Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum > EDD > PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Apr 23 16:41:16 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:41:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <01da01c6672f$6ada67e0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Great stuff Patrick, Quick off the mark too. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 24 08:58:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <444CF5B3.20101@imc-group.com> Arnie, When Missy and visited Oz last March we were both pleasantly surprised at the strong presence of Hercules engines. I recorded the s/n of every Herc engine we saw and I did send those s/n's and HP info to Glenn for his records. Of all the Herc engines we saw, not one had the Emu re-badge on them, they all bore the Hercules name only. The Emu name is neat and would be a fun engine to have here in the states. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >G'day Patrick, > >Those engines you identify as being Emu's (Hercules)... Are they built in Oz >under license from Hercules or shipped over and re-badged? > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060044.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060086.JPG > >Glenn, do you have any of 'em in your Hercules records? > >Looks like a fun rally. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > >>Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:09 PM >>To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List >>Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics >> >>Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 24 10:31:13 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:31:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. Message-ID: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and got about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park about mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the stars. Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk this far north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller and filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes and another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again for the other halves. Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the way into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system and a major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe temperatures, and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A trip to Lowes and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more permanent cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we were ready to heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive to pour, so Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a local steak place. We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready for pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the large Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 pounds. The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at about 1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late hours anymore! We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings and they were ready. Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I was unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will no longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with getting the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the Tod Engine. I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 24 14:30:13 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:30:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics Message-ID: <2a2.8ee752f.317e9d65@aol.com> Patrick, Thanks for the pictures of the rally! Neat display of crosscut saws, axes, etc. Also enjoyed the display of "things"! Folks have great imaginations! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 24 15:07:28 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision still pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the car as usual.(To tied up talking) EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:09 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 24 17:37:57 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:37:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001c01c66800$80838730$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Don't. Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was > had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision > still > pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the > car > as usual.(To tied up talking) > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> _______________________________________________ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 24 17:59:58 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:59:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060425005940.KJFT3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I suspect that when you paint it the Foos will come up as nice as the Galloway so I am all for making it pretty. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/w06/w0600061.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision still pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the car as usual.(To tied up talking) EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 24 20:03:58 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:03:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> References: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> Hi Curt, Sounds like a GREAT time was had by all! Exactly why did a rubber fitting fail? And how (exactly) could a rubber fitting be replaced with copper? Dave PS, Missy, Those "Cub Scout" pictures that you took are just between you and me. NO ONE else needs to see them! PPS, Thanks to Devin's grandparents! At 01:31 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a >fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and got >about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park about >mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the stars. >Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk this far >north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. >Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his >mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. >We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller and >filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the >curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes and >another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again for >the other halves. >Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. >Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the way >into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system and a >major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe temperatures, >and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A trip to Lowes >and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more permanent >cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we were ready to >heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive to pour, so >Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a local steak place. >We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. >It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready for >pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the large >Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 pounds. >The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP >Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at about >1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late hours >anymore! >We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out >of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings >and they were ready. >Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I was >unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. >But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider >signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will no >longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with getting >the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the Tod Engine. > >I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the >Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Apr 24 20:31:45 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:31:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Thanks for the informative update; I have a question about the muller. Can the green sand be reused? Is the purpose of the muller to break up all the chunky stuff after the sand has been used? Looking forward to the pictures of your new pistons. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Id USA Dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:31 AM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES > Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. > > Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a > fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and > got about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park > about mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the > stars. Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk > this far north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. > Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his > mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. > We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller > and filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the > curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes > and another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again > for the other halves. > Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. > Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the > way into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system > and a major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe > temperatures, and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A > trip to Lowes and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more > permanent cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we > were ready to heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive > to pour, so Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a > local steak place. We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. > It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready > for pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the > large Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 > pounds. > The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP > Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at > about 1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late > hours anymore! > We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out > of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings > and they were ready. > Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I > was unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. > But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider > signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will > no longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with > getting the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the > Tod Engine. > > I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the > Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Mon Apr 24 23:23:49 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:23:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003a01c66830$d17480b0$41ad57ca@n> Dont you dare paint it Edd otherwise i will have to take it back and give you something else to paint(maybe a nice Moffat engine), the foos would look better in my shed with all my other original engines. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was > had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision > still > pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the > car > as usual.(To tied up talking) > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:09 > Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > > >> Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 25 02:25:20 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:25:20 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <444CF5B3.20101@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060425092500.CPWN17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Curt, You need to head north to get to see the Emu badges Hercules engines. We see a few here in NSW but there are a lot in Queensland. An Emu badged engine in the USA would certainly create some interest :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Arnie, When Missy and visited Oz last March we were both pleasantly surprised at the strong presence of Hercules engines. I recorded the s/n of every Herc engine we saw and I did send those s/n's and HP info to Glenn for his records. Of all the Herc engines we saw, not one had the Emu re-badge on them, they all bore the Hercules name only. The Emu name is neat and would be a fun engine to have here in the states. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 25 03:53:35 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:53:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> Dave, Glad you enjoyed. Yes the green sand is reused. Core sand is not as it is a catalyzed sand (linseed oil and some catalyst). Yes the muller breaks up clods of used sand and mixes in the water and clay you add to give the correct consistency. Proper green sand will stay in a shape that you squeeze with your hand. Too little water and clay and the mold falls apart. Too much water and the castings will have too much porosity/gas defects. You'll find this interesting. I designed the core print on our patterns/coreboxes to be the same length as the distance the core is cantilevered into the mold. This worked well for 2 of the 3 molds. However, on the 3HP Hercules piston, the weight of the cantilevered portion of the core was greater than the weight of the core print. This resulted in a tipping of the core in the cavity, rather than resting neatly in place. I thought I had screwed that pattern up! Clever Rick calmly broke off a piece of Styrofoam and placed it in the mold to support the core long enough to set the cope flask on. The Styrofoam vaporizes instantly when the metal hits it. I thought this was a pretty clever solution to one of those "oh shit" moments. I am learning some new 3D software (SolidWorks) and one of its features is that it will tell you the center of mass of a 3D shape. You can bet this will be something I use when designing future patterns, assuring the center of mass falls within the boundaries of the core print, rather than in the mold space. Live and learn! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Curt > >Thanks for the informative update; I have a question about the muller. Can >the green sand be reused? Is the purpose of the muller to break up all the >chunky stuff after the sand has been used? > >Looking forward to the pictures of your new pistons. > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Id >USA >Dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt >>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:31 AM >>To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES >>Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. >> >>Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a >>fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and >>got about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park >>about mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the >>stars. Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk >>this far north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. >>Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his >>mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. >>We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller >>and filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the >>curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes >>and another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again >>for the other halves. >>Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. >>Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the >>way into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system >>and a major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe >>temperatures, and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A >>trip to Lowes and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more >>permanent cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we >>were ready to heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive >>to pour, so Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a >>local steak place. We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. >>It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready >>for pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the >>large Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 >>pounds. >>The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP >>Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at >>about 1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late >>hours anymore! >>We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out >>of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings >>and they were ready. >>Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I >>was unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. >>But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider >>signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will >>no longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with >>getting the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the >>Tod Engine. >> >>I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the >>Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 25 09:48:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:48:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c66888$0adca0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. > Don't make any plans beyond May 25th. Better take heed, bro. On May 26th, the thousands of dollars you have wrapped up in old engines ain't gonna be worth squat. Tell you what, because I'm genuinely a nice guy and because I deeply care about the Fero gals, I'll trade you fifteen cases of Clif Bars and twenty cases of bottled water for that stinky old Furgle & Thrape halfbreed. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Apr 25 05:41:16 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:41:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley R /TOMM magazine Message-ID: <200604251449812.SM00332@new.databak.co.za> Hi everyone and in particular all the Aussies, My next project will probably be a 1928 Wolseley R Type. This engine was originally made for the Australian sheep shearing market and most of them were sent there and, as such, are fairly common in Australia but not elsewhere. I have a 6 H.P. (Paraffin or Kerosene) one here . I only know of one other in South Africa of this size and one smaller model. An Aussie friend sent me a few scans of an article in TOMM (dated August/September 1998) about the Wolseley R Type (A.K.A. as "Series 4") written by Malcolm Mackay. Unfortunately the scans are of very poor quality and almost unreadable. I have written to TOMM asking about the availability of a back issue but have not received a reply and cannot find a place on their website to order back issues. Does anyone have this issue and would you be prepared to scan the article and eMail it to me. I would be most grateful. Also does anyone know Malcolm Mackay (I believe he operates a Wolseley registry) and could you give me a contact address for him (preferably eMail). His address is on the last page of the item but all I can make out is the Postal Code which looks like "NSW 2212". I am of course also on the lookout for any other information on this particular engine so anything is welcome. Many thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 25 15:36:45 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:36:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam Message-ID: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody Greece! Drinks are on me! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 25 08:16:26 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: Hi Folks, Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make any plans beyond May 25th. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 25 04:35:24 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> References: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <444E097C.7060100@imc-group.com> Dave, For the same reason ALL rubbers fail.....too much pressure too much heat! :-) The rubber fitting that failed was a rubber drain boot connecting flexible hose (from the pump) to 1 1/8" copper tubing (on the heat exchanger). The replacement fittings adapted the 1 1/8" copper fittings to smaller NPT pipe so that the flexible hose could be slid over and worm gear clamped in place. Curt P.S. As to picture taking.....you give a whole new meaning to exposure and "f" stop! Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Curt, > Sounds like a GREAT time was had by all! Exactly why did a > rubber fitting fail? And how (exactly) could a rubber fitting be > replaced with copper? > Dave > PS, Missy, Those "Cub Scout" pictures that you took are just between > you and me. NO ONE else needs to see them! > PPS, Thanks to Devin's grandparents! > > At 01:31 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 25 09:45:27 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <002a01c66888$0adca0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <002a01c66888$0adca0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: Rob, Damn, I'm all choked up here. The generosity of your offer simply overwhelms me. Actually, I was in the process of composing a similar email. It is well known that when comet fragments hit the earth, the crust will ring like a gong. This, of course, will cause all of Kalifornia to slip into the Pacific Ocean. My proposition is to head your way with my nifty new truck & trailer and rescue that 6 hp Hornsby and the 7-1/2 hp Allan from a watery grave. And generous guy that I am, I'll offer a dry space to your lovely engine tender as well. http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby/index.html http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/allan.html No need to thank me bro, I'm sure that MY generosity has overwhelmed you. We only have a couple of weeks to make arrangements as I want to be well east of the Rockies before "surf's up." See ya, Arnie On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > On May 26th, the thousands of dollars you have wrapped up in > old engines ain't gonna be worth squat. Tell you what, > because I'm genuinely a nice guy and because I deeply care > about the Fero gals, I'll trade you fifteen cases of Clif > Bars and twenty cases of bottled water for that stinky old > Furgle & Thrape halfbreed. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 25 08:39:44 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> References: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, While its unlikely that I'll ever do any castings, I am greatly enjoying these "experience" posts. When you look at large cast iron parts like those that comprise the Tod engine and imagine that castings of this size and much larger were routine day-to-day operations, you have to ask yourself what would it take to do that today? How many "tricks of the trade" that were never written down, but were passed on man to man in the foundary, have been lost and would need to be rediscovered. Keep up the good work and keep the stories coming. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > Glad you enjoyed. Yes the green sand is reused. Core sand is not as it > is a catalyzed sand (linseed oil and some catalyst). > Yes the muller breaks up clods of used sand and mixes in the water and > clay you add to give the correct consistency. > Proper green sand will stay in a shape that you squeeze with your hand. > Too little water and clay and the mold falls apart. Too much water and > the castings will have too much porosity/gas defects. > You'll find this interesting. I designed the core print on our > patterns/coreboxes to be the same length as the distance the core is > cantilevered into the mold. This worked well for 2 of the 3 molds. > However, on the 3HP Hercules piston, the weight of the cantilevered > portion of the core was greater than the weight of the core print. This > resulted in a tipping of the core in the cavity, rather than resting > neatly in place. I thought I had screwed that pattern up! Clever Rick > calmly broke off a piece of Styrofoam and placed it in the mold to > support the core long enough to set the cope flask on. The Styrofoam > vaporizes instantly when the metal hits it. I thought this was a pretty > clever solution to one of those "oh shit" moments. From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 17:10:14 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're kidding, right? --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > news. Don't make any > plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 17:08:06 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426000807.59776.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you serious? --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > news. Don't make any > plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at verizon.net Tue Apr 25 18:04:18 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NAMES References: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <014601c668cd$592ec6e0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Another great show at the names in Toledo Ohio this year. Did any list members make it? I have a question Does anyone have plans to build any of the DC motors as I have a limited number of #43 wire coils and might try and build one, two, you get the idea. Thanks Leroy From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 25 18:22:58 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:22:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam >I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody > Greece! > Drinks are on me! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 18:54:22 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:54:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hi Message-ID: Hi all, My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the surname as I am Lyndsay's son. I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I joined the list. Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am qualified in this area. Glad to a member, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Apr 25 19:16:10 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:16:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <010f01c668d7$627a7e10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Ben Welcome aboard. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Apr 25 19:18:13 2006 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:18:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NAMES In-Reply-To: <014601c668cd$592ec6e0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: I made it on Saturday for a while. Lots of neat stuff as usual. Clarence's steam launch is outstanding. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] NAMES Another great show at the names in Toledo Ohio this year. Did any list members make it? I have a question Does anyone have plans to build any of the DC motors as I have a limited number of #43 wire coils and might try and build one, two, you get the idea. Thanks Leroy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 25 19:18:49 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:18:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426021827.EKX24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Ben, You are a long way from home. I'll bet the weather is a bit warmer up there than in sunny Victoria ;) There are still a handful of engine people on the list so I am sure there will be something posted occasionally that is engine related. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all, My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the surname as I am Lyndsay's son. 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 From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Apr 25 19:40:58 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:40:58 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <003901c668da$dfc66c00$18ad57ca@n> G'day Ben Good to see ya on the list. Gee you must be struggling over there with no engines! Maybe you might find some over there? Cheers Mick Christie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [S] [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 25 18:43:45 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:43:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425213517.0373b5f8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a subject as serious as is this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit to not sign the Keyoto Accord has brought us to this point. Had you voted for Kerry in the last election this would never have happened and we could all enjoy the 2006 show season. It's a sad state of affairs that Bush has seen to it that May 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! Dave PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: >You're kidding, right? > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > > news. Don't make any > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 25 18:55:40 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:55:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426000807.59776.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426000807.59776.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425215437.037b2bd8@mail.alltel.net> At 08:08 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: >Are you serious? Hi Doug, You had better hope that Arnie is serious--he builds nukes! Dave From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Apr 25 20:25:35 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:25:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tools Message-ID: <018101c668e1$159e1610$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Recently I went to a rally in Wagga Wagga and took along my Lister A. With this I decided to show all my Lister tools and the like. It is at http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/2193472100053851130AIHowM However, I have an ulterior motive. You will note there a five shearers screwdrivers in the photo - all different. For those on the other side of the ponds, do you have anything like these that could be obtained for me, particularly with brand names. If so please let me know off list. And for the Oz members I am particularly after a black handled Lister, a Cooper and a Buzacott or anything else that may be around. All those that I have have two blades but I do know of one that was produced with three blades. Once again I can be contacted off list. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Ron Canberra. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 25 20:51:14 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:51:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> <007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <002f01c668e4$adeb77c0$3bb731cb@ogborneuah38i3> You know what they say Reg '' Beware of Greeks bearing gifts'' ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > > >>I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody >> Greece! >> Drinks are on me! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 25 20:56:34 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:56:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tools In-Reply-To: <018101c668e1$159e1610$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <20060426035612.QWLL14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Ron, I have seen many, many different brands on the screwdrivers. I have a two blade one which has G. Munro on it but it is staying with my G. Munro shearing plant. There is a guy I have seen displaying at a few rallies who specializes in shearing gear. He has an impressive collection. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Recently I went to a rally in Wagga Wagga and took along my Lister A. With this I decided to show all my Lister tools and the like. It is at http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/2193472100053851130AIHowM However, I have an ulterior motive. You will note there a five shearers screwdrivers in the photo - all different. For those on the other side of the ponds, do you have anything like these that could be obtained for me, particularly with brand names. If so please let me know off list. And for the Oz members I am particularly after a black handled Lister, a Cooper and a Buzacott or anything else that may be around. All those that I have have two blades but I do know of one that was produced with three blades. Once again I can be contacted off list. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Ron Canberra. _______________________________________________ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 25 20:57:49 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:57:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <003901c668e5$993a6ba0$3bb731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Don't give up hope Ben....A lot of those fabulous old British engines went to Malaya...rubber plantations ,tin mines etc. I once saw a beautiful Bellis and Morecambe Hot Bulb engine up there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 21:04:27 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425213517.0373b5f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a democrat. I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What exactly do you mean by stuck on stupid? --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, > I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a > subject as serious as is > this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit to > not sign the Keyoto > Accord has brought us to this point. Had you voted > for Kerry in the last > election this would never have happened and we could > all enjoy the 2006 > show season. It's a sad state of affairs that Bush > has seen to it that May > 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! > Dave > PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. > PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! > > At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > >You're kidding, right? > > > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such > bad > > > news. Don't make any > > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 21:50:19 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:50:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: Thanks Peter, good info to know, I might have to go searching! _________________________________________________________________ Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 21:53:58 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:53:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: I am struggling Mick. If anyone has ever been to Malaysia and seen any, please let me know, I would love to look at some of the engines that came to Malaysia, if any did! _________________________________________________________________ Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 22:01:57 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> new photos Message-ID: <135147297.1146027717518.JavaMail.ringo@ringo9.tickle.com> http://www.ringo.com/i.html?i=141868425x932812&homeEmail=SEL%40lists.stationary-engine.com&firstName=Station...&lastName=Engine+List&origin=invite Ben Block invitations from Ben: http://www.ringo.com/friends/invite/block.html?memberId=141868425&email=SEL%40lists.stationary-engine.com&origin=invite Block all invitations: http://www.ringo.com/friends/invite/block.html?email=SEL%40lists.stationary-engine.com&origin=invite From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Apr 25 22:09:09 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:09:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: <20060426021827.EKX24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002b01c668ef$8e12b160$c785dccb@oemcomputer> Welcome Ben and what are you insinuating Patrick. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:18 Subject: RE: [SEL] Hi > Hi Ben, > You are a long way from home. I'll bet the weather is a bit warmer > up there than in sunny Victoria ;) > There are still a handful of engine people on the list so I am sure there > will be something posted occasionally that is engine related. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 25 22:20:32 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:20:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Redecked Message-ID: <008601c668f1$284f71e0$9644e5d8@gary> The new flooring in on the trailer, well nearly. It turned out to be a fairly simple job since the channel on the front of the trailer was created using a piece of angle iron that used machine screws to fasten it down. Right now I have wedges holding the boards in place until they season for awhile. I don't want to rip the last 2"x8" to make it fit and then have shrink from there. Sicne it is setting out in the sun I should be able to add the last board in a week or two. I have railroad cross ties laying across the width of the trailer. I decided to continue using the stake pockets for tiedowns. This works well for the use I give the trailer. I can always install countersunk tie-downs later if I wish. Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 25 17:59:50 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:59:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED References: Message-ID: <002a01c668cc$b8d06500$536b4b47@mikecomp> It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to ship all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from all those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Slick Willy" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > Hi Folks, > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make any > plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 25 23:58:01 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:58:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <017a01c668fe$c48a07c0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hi Ben, welcome to the list Mate . Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Apr 26 00:07:47 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:07:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <002b01c66900$1f8cb770$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Ben welcome to the list . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Apr 26 00:28:28 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:28:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tools References: <20060426035612.QWLL14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <025701c66903$035af9b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Patrick I will have to note that name down and keep my eye open for one. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Tools > Hi Ron, > I have seen many, many different brands on the screwdrivers. I have > a two blade one which has G. Munro on it but it is staying with my G. Munro > shearing plant. > There is a guy I have seen displaying at a few rallies who specializes in > shearing gear. He has an impressive collection. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Recently I went to a rally in Wagga Wagga and took along my Lister A. With > this I decided to show all my Lister tools and the like. It is at > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/2193472100053851130AIHowM > > However, I have an ulterior motive. You will note there a five shearers > screwdrivers in the photo - all different. For those on the other side of > the ponds, do you have anything like these that could be obtained for me, > particularly with brand names. If so please let me know off list. And for > the Oz members I am particularly after a black handled Lister, a Cooper and > a Buzacott or anything else that may be around. All those that I have have > two blades but I do know of one that was produced with three blades. Once > again I can be contacted off list. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance > > Ron > Canberra. > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 00:54:14 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] You are now sharing photos with Ben! Message-ID: <91289880.1146038054802.JavaMail.ringo@ringo10.tickle.com> Hi Station..., You are now sharing photos and contact details with Ben! Share photos with Ben: http://www.ringo.com/photos/upload.html?al=3I8u5bOf.uypCfFx&origin=confirm Check out Ben's photos and info: http://www.ringo.com/friends/view.html?memberId=141868425&al=wKYvn7ZLDG9AG9WY&origin=confirm Thanks for using Ringo. Stay in touch! -- * This email was sent from a notification-only email address. Please do not reply to this email. * This email was sent by request to SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 26 01:01:51 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> <007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001501c66907$ae7e5400$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > >>I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody >> Greece! >> Drinks are on me! >> Peter Ogborne They say money spreads well! I won as well so that is 3 winners in 2 countries. Why don't you read the notes? You aren't supposed to tell anybody about your luck until you have given them your bank details so they can send you the money. 8^)) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 26 01:34:06 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:34:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3><007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001501c66907$ae7e5400$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <009a01c6690c$319a7d10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aw, Gee! missed out again!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > > >> Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM >> Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam >> >>>I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody >>>Greece! >>> Drinks are on me! >>> Peter Ogborne > > They say money spreads well! I won as well so that is 3 winners in 2 > countries. > Why don't you read the notes? You aren't supposed to tell anybody about > your luck until you have given them your bank details so they can send you > the money. > 8^)) > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 26 04:48:57 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:48:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: <002b01c66900$1f8cb770$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: And a BIG welcome from "Big Sky" Montana, Ben. New blood is good. RickinMt. From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 26 04:53:11 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4522.165.206.180.19.1146052391.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I thought all Australians were named Bruce (or maybe it's that they are all named Paul?). Must be a pommy. Away from the land of boomers living for a bit in the land from whence a lot of our fabrics come from, eh? Just be careful there. Right, well, welcome to "the list". Bill (from somewhere in the middle of the U.S.) > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 06:09:16 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444F70FC.7090009@imc-group.com> Doug, I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one up....nihilist that is. "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination." Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Doug Pfaff wrote: >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a democrat. > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What exactly >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug,
I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one up....nihilist that is.

"Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination."

Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Doug Pfaff wrote: 
I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I
wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a democrat.
 I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What exactly
do you mean by stuck on stupid?

From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 26 06:43:31 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:43:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425213517.0373b5f8@mail.alltel.net> <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426094117.03886d00@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, Sorry about that. I didn't know that you were so young. I should have said "Books, School, Eat!" Dave At 12:04 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: > What exactly >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > >--- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Hi Doug, > > I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a > > subject as serious as is > > this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit to > > not sign the Keyoto > > Accord has brought us to this point. Had you voted > > for Kerry in the last > > election this would never have happened and we could > > all enjoy the 2006 > > show season. It's a sad state of affairs that Bush > > has seen to it that May > > 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! > > Dave > > PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. > > PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! > > > > At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > > >You're kidding, right? > > > > > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such > > bad > > > > news. Don't make any > > > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 26 06:30:13 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug, Kidding???? My gawd man, we're talking about an OFFICIAL press release warning of the destruction of life as we know it. Who would joke about such a thing? See ya, Arnie PS - How long can you tread water? On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Doug Pfaff wrote: > You're kidding, right? > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > > news. Don't make any plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 07:45:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:45:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <444F8783.9020808@imc-group.com> Patrick, I recall your post of this hotbulb cut in half a while back. For those of us that have not had the joy of tinkering with hot bulb engines yet, could you explain what the passages and ports are? What the burner bears on (heats)? What each of the threaded parts are connected to? What the jacket is for? Etc. Yes, we saw hotbulbs on engines while we were in Oz, but looking at the outside of a hot bulb makes it look deceptively simple. Apparently there is a lot going on inside. An explaination would be most helpful and appreciated. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >While we are on the subject of castings I finally have a new hot bulb for my >Blackstone. The original was severely cracked so was cut in half for a >pattern maker to make a pattern: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG >The final casting is very good and only need machining: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042505.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042506.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042507.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042508.JPG > >If anyone is interested the next big casting project is the fuel-tank/base >to suite 2hp & 3hp Hornsby Oil Engines. This is a big, heavy casting but if >you know of anyone here in Oz who needs one let me know as the more that are >cast the cheaper they will be. So far there are five being cast! > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 07:54:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:54:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. Message-ID: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Some of you may know our local prolific model builder Doug Kelley and have seen some of his exquisite work. His latest model of the Miller engine at Coolsprings (using minerature ignitors!) has been working great for several months, and apparently he is ready to design his next model. He called last night asking I dig up information on Callahan engines or other cam stoppers. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly, but I seem to remember that on a Callahan the shaft continues to rotate, but the governor latches in and out the cam lobes that are on a sleeve on the side shaft. But Doug specifically asked about an engine in which the entire side shaft is latched in/out by a governor acting at the back of the shaft near the crankshaft. He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire shaft is latched out. So the question is, what engine would this be, and is a detailed explanation available, and are pictures available that Doug can pattern his design from? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 26 06:21:15 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:21:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Castings Message-ID: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> While we are on the subject of castings I finally have a new hot bulb for my Blackstone. The original was severely cracked so was cut in half for a pattern maker to make a pattern: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG The final casting is very good and only need machining: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042505.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042506.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042507.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042508.JPG If anyone is interested the next big casting project is the fuel-tank/base to suite 2hp & 3hp Hornsby Oil Engines. This is a big, heavy casting but if you know of anyone here in Oz who needs one let me know as the more that are cast the cheaper they will be. So far there are five being cast! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 09:05:55 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <444F70FC.7090009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060426160555.74311.qmail@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not really a total nihilist. --- Curt wrote: > Doug, > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > up....nihilist that is. > > "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid > 19th-century Russia > that scorned authority and tradition and believed in > reason, > materialism, and radical change in society and > government through > terrorism and assassination." > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I > >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a > democrat. > > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What > exactly > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > > > > > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Transitional//EN"> > > > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > Doug,
> I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > up....nihilist that > is.
>
> "Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement > of mid 19th-century > Russia that scorned authority and tradition and > believed in reason, > materialism, and radical change in society and > government through terrorism and assassination."
>
> Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
> Doug Pfaff wrote: >
> cite="mid20060426040427.83619.qmail at web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com" > type="cite"> > 
I couldn't have voted in the last
> election, as I
> wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a
> democrat.
>  I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What exactly
> do you mean by stuck on stupid?
> 
>
>
>
> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 09:07:53 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426094117.03886d00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060426160753.79839.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No big deal, Dave. --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, > Sorry about that. I didn't know that you > were so young. I should > have said "Books, School, Eat!" > Dave > > At 12:04 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: > > What exactly > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > >--- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > > > Hi Doug, > > > I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a > > > subject as serious as is > > > this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit > to > > > not sign the Keyoto > > > Accord has brought us to this point. Had you > voted > > > for Kerry in the last > > > election this would never have happened and we > could > > > all enjoy the 2006 > > > show season. It's a sad state of affairs that > Bush > > > has seen to it that May > > > 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! > > > Dave > > > PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. > > > PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! > > > > > > At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > > > >You're kidding, right? > > > > > > > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of > such > > > bad > > > > > news. Don't make any > > > > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 26 09:10:47 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:10:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> References: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <444F9B87.2050405@scrtc.com> Curt, On the Callahan the governor sits behind the crankshaft and latches out the entire shaft. Its the only engine where the entire shaft stops. There has been models made of the Callahan as Harry Cooper of Alabama borrowed my engine a few years back and did a nice job making a 1/4 scale model. Here is a photo, made by Harry Matthews, of my engine running at Coolspring about 10 years ago: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30210971&p=60852791 Tommy Turner > Some of you may know our local prolific model builder Doug Kelley and > have seen some of his exquisite work. His latest model of the Miller > engine at Coolsprings (using minerature ignitors!) has been working > great for several months, and apparently he is ready to design his > next model. > He called last night asking I dig up information on Callahan engines > or other cam stoppers. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly, but I seem > to remember that on a Callahan the shaft continues to rotate, but the > governor latches in and out the cam lobes that are on a sleeve on the > side shaft. > But Doug specifically asked about an engine in which the entire side > shaft is latched in/out by a governor acting at the back of the shaft > near the crankshaft. He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism > like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire shaft is > latched out. > So the question is, what engine would this be, and is a detailed > explanation available, and are pictures available that Doug can > pattern his design from? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 26 09:07:33 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> References: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, The guy to see for Callahans is Craig Prucha's buddy Stiles Bradley. He has several in his collection. As to the "other" types of camstoppers, Craig has two lovely examples on the web; his 12 hp Field Brundage and the 25 hp Columbus. Lots of pics & movies on his website. http://www.antique-engine.com/12field/field01.htm http://www.antique-engine.com/25columbus/25columbus.htm BTW, it would be FANTASTIC if Doug could bring that Miller model to Coolspring in June. The feature is "Odd, Strange, and Curious" engines. That model would certainly qualify and would be awesome sitting there running in the Miller building next to the biggun'. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > He called last night asking I dig up information on Callahan engines or > other cam stoppers. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly, but I seem to > remember that on a Callahan the shaft continues to rotate, but the > governor latches in and out the cam lobes that are on a sleeve on the > side shaft. > But Doug specifically asked about an engine in which the entire side > shaft is latched in/out by a governor acting at the back of the shaft > near the crankshaft. He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism > like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire shaft is > latched out. > So the question is, what engine would this be, and is a detailed > explanation available, and are pictures available that Doug can pattern > his design from? From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 10:02:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:02:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F9B87.2050405@scrtc.com> References: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> <444F9B87.2050405@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <444FA7B0.8080803@imc-group.com> Tommy, Dave, Arnie, I believe the engine I am remembering at the Boone show years ago was a Columbus and not a Callahan now that I think about it a little. It was displayed by Jeff Hutchins (sp?). You guys have given Doug some great leads for his next project and I will encourage him to attend Coolspings with the Miller model. Thanks, Curt Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, > On the Callahan the governor sits behind the crankshaft and latches > out the entire shaft. Its the only engine where the entire shaft > stops. There has been models made of the Callahan as Harry Cooper of > Alabama borrowed my engine a few years back and did a nice job making > a 1/4 scale model. Here is a photo, made by Harry Matthews, of my > engine running at Coolspring about 10 years ago: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30210971&p=60852791 > > Tommy Turner > > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Apr 26 13:45:40 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:45:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: <410-220064326204540437@earthlink.net> hmmm, Royster and protected engine storage. Just doesn't sound right. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/26/2006 12:37:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to ship > all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of > blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from all > those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. > > MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Slick > Willy" > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:16 AM > Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make any > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 From asouth at strato.net Wed Apr 26 14:08:12 2006 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:08:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <008001c66975$87e3ef30$c900a8c0@ARTHUR> Hello Ben, Arthur Southwell from Arcadia, Florida, USA said that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 26 14:44:28 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:44:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Reidsville Message-ID: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet hits? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 26 14:59:24 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426160555.74311.qmail@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444F70FC.7090009@imc-group.com> <20060426160555.74311.qmail@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426175717.03889308@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, Is this because you had no idea what the word meant until Curt told you? Dave PS, Books, school, eat! At 12:05 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: >I'm not really a total nihilist. > >--- Curt wrote: > > > Doug, > > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > > up....nihilist that is. > > > > "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid > > 19th-century Russia > > that scorned authority and tradition and believed in > > reason, > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > government through > > terrorism and assassination." > > > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > > > >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I > > >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a > > democrat. > > > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What > > exactly > > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > Transitional//EN"> > > > > > > > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > > > > Doug,
> > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > > up....nihilist that > > is.
> >
> > "Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement > > of mid 19th-century > > Russia that scorned authority and tradition and > > believed in reason, > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > government through terrorism and assassination."
> >
> > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label?
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> >
> >
> > Doug Pfaff wrote: > >
> > > >cite="mid20060426040427.83619.qmail at web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com" > > type="cite"> > > 
I couldn't have voted in the last
> > election, as I
> > wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a
> > democrat.
> >  I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What exactly
> > do you mean by stuck on stupid?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 26 15:02:43 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:02:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castings - Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003901c6697d$26192b50$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > While we are on the subject of castings I finally have a new > hot bulb for my Blackstone. The original was severely > cracked so was cut in half for a pattern maker to make a pattern: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04 062614.JPG Hi Patrick, That vaporizer sure looks like it's seen better days. If it hadn't cracked where it did, it was ready to go in a number of other places. Do you have a picture of the hoobie-joob that screws into the chamber? I'm curious how it compares to the ignitor coil case on an Austral. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 26 15:04:09 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:04:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: [OFES] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003a01c6697d$5975f910$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism > like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire > shaft is latched out. > So the question is, what engine would this be, You're right, Curt. A Callahan meets Doug's criteria. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 16:11:39 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:11:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.161139.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door in one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees Rocks PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. Sounds like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? Thanks Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Apr 26 17:13:19 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060426.161139.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20060427001330.574EF9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Ron, Do they have a local agent so you can go have a look see? Does it include a man door, windows and what form of rust prevention? Sounds Great! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:12 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [SEL] Metal building Hi all. I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door in one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees Rocks PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. Sounds like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? Thanks Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 26 17:47:38 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:47:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427001330.574EF9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> References: <20060427001330.574EF9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <445014AA.9090806@scrtc.com> Ron, Good points made by Jimmy. Inquire about a walk in door (they may want to charge you $1000 to add one). Also ask what gauge metal is being used and as Jimmy mentioned, ask what sort of rust, fade, and "chalking" guarantee is included with the metal (most "good" metal now has at least a 20 year warranty). One important thing is to make sure the building comes with an engineers stamp regarding wind load . If it doesn't have the proper wind load rating, you may not be able to insure it. There are wind load ratings for certain areas of the country (in my location its 70 mph minimum) and your insurance agent or possibly an on line search can get it. After the tornado I purchased an all steel building from KY Steel Truss Buildings that measures 64 x 126. It cost me a little under $50 K delivered to my place. But, I had much more (too much I think) in it when it was finally standing. I'll get it paid for one of these days (thats why I made sure it had a 20 year warranty on the metal). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Ron, Do they have a local agent so you can go have a look see? Does it >include a man door, windows and what form of rust prevention? Sounds Great! >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >rdhaskell at juno.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:12 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com >Subject: [SEL] Metal building > >Hi all. >I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal >building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door in >one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees Rocks >PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. Sounds >like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? >Thanks >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 18:15:47 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:15:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list Message-ID: Hi List members, Considering that my son Ben has now joined the SEL I thought it was about time I returned to the fray myself. I look forward to hearing from all you guys again and getting into some serious engine talk. Regards, Lyndsay. From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 18:27:44 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426175717.03889308@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060427012744.24158.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No Dave, I already knew what it meant. What I was saying was that I am a nihilist in that I believe we need a radical change in our society (specifically our government). And that's all I have to say about my beliefs. Doug Pfaff --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, Is this because you had no idea what the > word meant until Curt > told you? > Dave > PS, Books, school, eat! > > At 12:05 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: > >I'm not really a total nihilist. > > > >--- Curt wrote: > > > > > Doug, > > > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that > one > > > up....nihilist that is. > > > > > > "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of > mid > > > 19th-century Russia > > > that scorned authority and tradition and > believed in > > > reason, > > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > > government through > > > terrorism and assassination." > > > > > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? > > > Curt Holland > > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > > > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > > > > > >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as > I > > > >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a > > > democrat. > > > > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What > > > exactly > > > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > Transitional//EN"> > > > > > > > > > > > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > > > > > > > Doug,
> > > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that > one > > > up....nihilist that > > > is.
> > >
> > > "Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary > movement > > > of mid 19th-century > > > Russia that scorned authority and tradition and > > > believed in reason, > > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > > government through terrorism and > assassination."
> > >
> > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that > label?
> > > Curt Holland
> > > Gastonia, NC
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > >
> > > > > > >cite="mid20060426040427.83619.qmail at web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com" > > > type="cite"> > > > 
I couldn't have voted in the last
> > > election, as I
> > > wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a
> > > democrat.
> > >  I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What
> exactly
> > > do you mean by stuck on stupid?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 19:10:23 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:10:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.191024.868.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. This is an arch type building, the walls go straight up for about 8' then corrugated arches go to a peak in the middle. The metal is galvalume coated and guaranteed for 30 years. The story is the Marines ordered the building, put $3,000 down, then backed out at the last minute. They will let me have it for the balance, then knocked off another $1,000, and free delivery. Their doors are heavy and expensive, I will get some here. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:19 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes: > Hi Ron, Do they have a local agent so you can go have a look see? > Does it > include a man door, windows and what form of rust prevention? Sounds > Great! > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:12 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [SEL] Metal building > > Hi all. > I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal > building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door > in > one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees > Rocks > PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. > Sounds > like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? > Thanks From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 19:16:08 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.191608.868.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy I will cut in the man door here. The metal is 22 gauge and guaranteed for 30 years. They said they sell to CA. all the time and will include engineering drawings. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:47:38 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Ron, > Good points made by Jimmy. Inquire about a walk in door (they > may > want to charge you $1000 to add one). Also ask what gauge metal is > > being used and as Jimmy mentioned, ask what sort of rust, fade, and > > "chalking" guarantee is included with the metal (most "good" metal > now > has at least a 20 year warranty). One important thing is to make > sure > the building comes with an engineers stamp regarding wind load . If > it > doesn't have the proper wind load rating, you may not be able to > insure > it. There are wind load ratings for certain areas of the country > (in my > location its 70 mph minimum) and your insurance agent or possibly an > on > line search can get it. After the tornado I purchased an all steel > > building from KY Steel Truss Buildings that measures 64 x 126. It > cost > me a little under $50 K delivered to my place. But, I had much more > > (too much I think) in it when it was finally standing. I'll get it > paid > for one of these days (thats why I made sure it had a 20 year > warranty > on the metal). > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 26 19:21:29 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville References: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Message-ID: <009b01c669a1$4d86aa40$c9f04c0c@D48VHZ61> Comet? Maybe I should stop working in the shop and cut on the news. Anyway, I am planning on being there to look, not exhibit. Of course, there is always room in the truck should something need to follow me home. I'm currently down to under 10 projects in progress---gotta fix that!!! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Reidsville > Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet > hits? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 26 18:17:18 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:17:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville References: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Message-ID: <004101c66998$53c458c0$536b4b47@mikecomp> Steve "cloistered oyster" Royster and Pete Stauffer for sure! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Reidsville > Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet > hits? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 26 19:58:44 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:58:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ben Frazer Message-ID: <20060426.230556.1084.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ben - Glad to have ya aboard. Hope you enjoy the ride. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 26 20:03:24 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:03:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> I just looked on the Yellow Pages online they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures McKees Rocks, PA 15136. I can try to find out more if you wish. My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. It's not that big and someone should know of them. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 26 20:09:39 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:09:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list Message-ID: <20060426.231515.1084.8.jlb94@juno.com> Glad to have you back Lyndsay. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 26 20:35:28 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:35:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <3b1.1c6721c.31819600@aol.com> Ron, Do you have to consider seismic requirements? Will this building meet your local zoning regulations? Do the engineering drawings have to be approved by your planning commission? Is your purchase, contingent on approval by your local regulating authority? Who is responsible for the floor and foundation engineering? I have a friend who has a similiar structure with a dome type roof. He had a hard time erecting it and keeping it level and plumb. The corrugations have a tendency to creep. Once he start using scaffling instead of ladders, the assembly became much easier. It was assembled with nuts and bolts which have a sealing washers to prevent water leakage. Nevertheless, now that the building is erected, it looks good. However, the local county zoning regulations made him install a rest room (with septic tank and drain field), a water heater, and floor drains. Of course, these last items (along with utilities) were not part of the building package nor was the concrete floor and footings. The concrete floor and footings had to have steel reinforcement bars. The floor was raised about 4" above the building footing to prevent rain water from entering under the bottom of the vertical panels. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1146108928 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have a friend who has= a=20 similiar structure with a dome type roof.  He had a hard time erecting=20= it=20 and keeping it level and plumb.  The corrugations have a tendency to=20 creep.  Once he start using scaffling instead of ladders, the assembly=20 became much easier.  It was assembled with nuts and bolts which have a=20 sealing washers to prevent water leakage.  Nevertheless, now that=20= the=20 building is erected, it looks good.  However, the local county zoning=20 regulations made him install a rest room (with septic tank and drain field),= a=20 water heater, and floor drains.  Of course, these last items (along wit= h=20 utilities) were not part of the=20 building package nor was the concrete floor and footings.  The=20 concrete floor and footings had to have steel reinforcement bars.  The=20 floor was raised about 4" above the building footing to prevent rain wa= ter=20 from entering under the bottom of the vertical panels.=20
 
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 From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 21:02:12 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:02:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.210212.868.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Joe. See what you can find. They list; 544 Pine Hollow Road. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:03:24 -0400 jlb94 at juno.com writes: > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his > life > (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Apr 26 23:32:00 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:32:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list OT References: Message-ID: <001b01c669c4$4b383880$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Lyndsay I hope young Ben is better looking than you. Welcome back. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Back on the list > > Hi List members, > Considering that my son Ben has now joined the SEL I > thought it was about time I returned to the fray myself. I look forward to > hearing from all you guys again and getting into some serious engine talk. > > Regards, > Lyndsay. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 26 18:15:46 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:15:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED References: <410-220064326204540437@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003801c66998$1d22c040$536b4b47@mikecomp> I specialize in New Way storage for you Tim!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > hmmm, Royster and protected engine storage. Just doesn't sound right. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 4/26/2006 12:37:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED >> >> It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to > ship >> all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of >> blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from > all >> those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. >> >> MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arnie Fero" >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Slick >> Willy" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:16 AM >> Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED >> >> >> > Hi Folks, >> > >> > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make > any >> > plans beyond May 25th. >> > >> > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> > >> > Arnie Fero >> > Pittsburgh, PA >> > fero_ah at city-net.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Apr 27 02:14:46 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show Message-ID: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler?s show in Irvine KY this weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks ?N?, 1 ? HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! Chuck Emsweller Rushville, IN From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 02:15:13 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:15:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list OT In-Reply-To: <001b01c669c4$4b383880$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: Hi Cam---as you know mate that would not be hard. Thanks for the welcome mate Lyndsay >From: "Cam grundy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Back on the list OT >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:32:00 +1000 > >Hey Lyndsay I hope young Ben is better looking than you. Welcome back. >Cheers Cam >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:15 AM >Subject: [SEL] Back on the list > > >> >>Hi List members, >> Considering that my son Ben has now joined the SEL I >>thought it was about time I returned to the fray myself. I look forward to >>hearing from all you guys again and getting into some serious engine talk. >> >>Regards, >>Lyndsay. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Apr 27 04:14:49 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <011701c669eb$ccc6f5e0$bd161941@pengy> I think American Steel Span is in McKees Rocks. They build the quonset type buildings. Perhaps this is a subsidiary or a reseller. Search ebay for Metal Buildings or Steel Buildings. The manufacturers sell new buildings of various sizes on ebay and will give you an idea of the prices for them. I like those buildings however I think the metal they use is way too thin, and you won't be able to hang much of anything from the structure. You can also go to steelbuilding.com and get an online quote for a conventional steel ramed building. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Metal building >I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life > (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Apr 27 05:02:58 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:02:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. References: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> <444E097C.7060100@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <020c01c669f2$86fa98d0$bd161941@pengy> I went to a foundry auction yesterday and bought a shotblasting machine for $700. By 6 pm last night it was in the foundry, wired up and in service! This was the first auction that I've ever been to, and the first purchase that I ever made at one! It won't be my last. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. > Dave, > For the same reason ALL rubbers fail.....too much pressure too much heat! > :-) > > The rubber fitting that failed was a rubber drain boot connecting flexible > hose (from the pump) to 1 1/8" copper tubing (on the heat exchanger). The > replacement fittings adapted the 1 1/8" copper fittings to smaller NPT > pipe so that the flexible hose could be slid over and worm gear clamped in > place. > Curt > P.S. As to picture taking.....you give a whole new meaning to exposure and > "f" stop! > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Curt, >> Sounds like a GREAT time was had by all! Exactly why did a rubber >> fitting fail? And how (exactly) could a rubber fitting be replaced with >> copper? >> Dave >> PS, Missy, Those "Cub Scout" pictures that you took are just between you >> and me. NO ONE else needs to see them! >> PPS, Thanks to Devin's grandparents! >> >> At 01:31 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 05:35:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the web. No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel buildings (or similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them or did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good to be true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better Business Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they are legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That way if things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys going after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are scam artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have more old iron than space to work. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From mholland at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 27 06:42:36 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1376.65.6.251.236.1146145356.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Ron, Is this the place you are talking about? http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard Missy > Hi Ron, > > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the web. > No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel buildings (or > similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 07:24:51 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <1376.65.6.251.236.1146145356.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> <1376.65.6.251.236.1146145356.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, 800 number, no brick & mortar address.... Hold onto your wallet. 8-)) On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Missy Holland wrote: > Is this the place you are talking about? > http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 27 08:27:09 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:27:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <444F8783.9020808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >could you explain what the passages and ports are? What the >burner bears on (heats)? What each of the threaded parts are >connected to? What the jacket is for? Etc. Yes, we saw hotbulbs >on engines while we were in Oz, but looking at the outside of a >hot bulb makes it look deceptively simple. Apparently there is >a lot going on inside. An explaination would be most helpful >and appreciated. Hi Curt, Really, it's dirt simple. To start, let's put the picture of Patrick's Blackstone out of our heads. We'll first talk about the Hornsby-Akroyd style vaporizer. Visualize a stubby little propane bottle like you'd put on a plumber's torch. That's pretty close to what the inside of the vaporizer looks like, except on the inside of the vaporizer there are ribs running lengthwise. The neck of the bottle is the throat that goes to the cylinder. In the side of the vaporizer is a hole into which fits the injector nozzle. The lamp is placed under the domed end of the vaporizer until it is sufficiently hot -- but not too hot. If you heat it up too much, all the goodness goes out of the fuel. We can discuss "goodness" at another time. When the engine is running, oil is squirted into the vaporizer on the intake stroke. It hits the walls and instantly vaporizes, but there is insufficient oxygen for it to burn. On the compression stroke, clean air is forced into the vaporizer. When the oxygen rich air mixes with the hot oil vapor, ignition occurs. Understand now? Dirt simple. However, every design engineer with a slide rule and a sheet of paper has is own idea of what will bring him fame and riches. Blackstone built an "improved" vaporizer which you see in Patrick's pictures. Interestingly, the exact same design was used by Ronaldson Bros. & Tippett on their Australs. Take a look at Patrick's picture again. You see TWO chambers connected by a narrow passageway. The end with the threads is what sticks out the back of the engine. The area at the top of the picture is what attaches to the cylinder. The smaller chamber is on the bottom, and it is here where the flame from the lamp is applied. The first major difference in this design is the cylindrical area near the top of the picture. Into this bore fits a "timing valve" It's a cylinder with a notch cut out of it. It rotates such that the vaporizer and the cylinder are isolated from one another. On the compression stroke, the timing valve opens, allowing air into the vaporizer. The second major difference I've only seen on the Austral. I've never had a Blackstone apart or seen detailed drawings of the guts. So I'll explain it from the down-under perspective. Note the threaded areas. Into the smaller chamber is screwed a plug; the hole is just there for manufacturing. Into the larger chamber is screwed an "ignitor case." Don't get hung up on the nomenclature, it's not like a low tension ignitor. It's a hollow cylinder that barely sticks into the vaporizer. There are some small holes in the ignitor case. On the inside of the ignitor case is the "ignitor coil." All it is a wound up strip of metal. The idea is that the coil will retain heat, aiding in ignition. It's much simpler than ignition systems with invisible magnetism and magic electrons, huh? Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 27 08:32:55 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:32:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re: Castings/now hot bulb engines Message-ID: <008101c66a0f$dc87f870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi again Curt, One more thing I forgot to mention about the Blackstone design. See the big round hole on the right side of Patrick's picture? That's where the fuel and air come in. Remember in the Akroyd-Stuart design, fuel was injected. The Blackstone inducted fuel AND air into the vaporizer, through what looks like a conventional carburetor. The mixture is still to rich to burn until clean air is forced into the vaporizer. Rob =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi Curt, Really, it's dirt simple. To start, let's put the picture of Patrick's Blackstone out of our heads. We'll first talk about the Hornsby-Akroyd style vaporizer. Visualize a stubby little propane bottle like you'd put on a plumber's torch. That's pretty close to what the inside of the vaporizer looks like, except on the inside of the vaporizer there are ribs running lengthwise. The neck of the bottle is the throat that goes to the cylinder. In the side of the vaporizer is a hole into which fits the injector nozzle. The lamp is placed under the domed end of the vaporizer until it is sufficiently hot -- but not too hot. If you heat it up too much, all the goodness goes out of the fuel. We can discuss "goodness" at another time. When the engine is running, oil is squirted into the vaporizer on the intake stroke. It hits the walls and instantly vaporizes, but there is insufficient oxygen for it to burn. On the compression stroke, clean air is forced into the vaporizer. When the oxygen rich air mixes with the hot oil vapor, ignition occurs. Understand now? Dirt simple. However, every design engineer with a slide rule and a sheet of paper has is own idea of what will bring him fame and riches. Blackstone built an "improved" vaporizer which you see in Patrick's pictures. Interestingly, the exact same design was used by Ronaldson Bros. & Tippett on their Australs. Take a look at Patrick's picture again. You see TWO chambers connected by a narrow passageway. The end with the threads is what sticks out the back of the engine. The area at the top of the picture is what attaches to the cylinder. The smaller chamber is on the bottom, and it is here where the flame from the lamp is applied. The first major difference in this design is the cylindrical area near the top of the picture. Into this bore fits a "timing valve" It's a cylinder with a notch cut out of it. It rotates such that the vaporizer and the cylinder are isolated from one another. On the compression stroke, the timing valve opens, allowing air into the vaporizer. The second major difference I've only seen on the Austral. I've never had a Blackstone apart or seen detailed drawings of the guts. So I'll explain it from the down-under perspective. Note the threaded areas. Into the smaller chamber is screwed a plug; the hole is just there for manufacturing. Into the larger chamber is screwed an "ignitor case." Don't get hung up on the nomenclature, it's not like a low tension ignitor. It's a hollow cylinder that barely sticks into the vaporizer. There are some small holes in the ignitor case. On the inside of the ignitor case is the "ignitor coil." All it is a wound up strip of metal. The idea is that the coil will retain heat, aiding in ignition. It's much simpler than ignition systems with invisible magnetism and magic electrons, huh? Rob From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 09:01:47 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:01:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville In-Reply-To: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Message-ID: I'll be bringing the IHC sawrig and a few others before the comet takes them all away! Steve Royster >From: Germoamer at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Reidsville >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:44:28 EDT > >Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet >hits? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 09:27:40 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060427162740.59311.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The guy that signed the letter included a Tyner, NC address. Ron Arnie Fero wrote: Hmmmm, 800 number, no brick & mortar address.... Hold onto your wallet. 8-)) On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Missy Holland wrote: > Is this the place you are talking about? > http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-1347488693-1146155260=:57519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The guy that signed the letter included a Tyner, NC address.
Ron

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
Hmmmm, 800 number, no brick & mortar address.... Hold onto your wallet.
8-))

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Missy Holland wrote:

> Is this the place you are talking about?
> http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard

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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Apr 27 09:37:53 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:37:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Arine I really want to thank the ATIS family for their input on this. The web sit for this building is: http://www.curvcosteelbuildings.com/curvco_features.html and it is the style "P". Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero writes: > Hi Ron, > > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the > web. > No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel > buildings (or > similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. > > That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them > or > did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good > to be > true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better > Business > Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they > are > legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That > way if > things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys > going > after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are > scam > artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have > more > old iron than space to work. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 09:43:43 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:43:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427124147.039e0490@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ron, If I'm not mistaken a guy (new to the area) is putting up exactly the same building about a mile away from me. I could stop and ask some questions if you wish--just tell me what to ask! Dave At 12:37 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >Hi Arine >I really want to thank the ATIS family for their input on this. The web >sit for this building is: >http://www.curvcosteelbuildings.com/curvco_features.html >and it is the style "P". > > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside California USA >http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > >On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero > writes: > > Hi Ron, > > > > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the > > web. > > No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel > > buildings (or > > similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. > > > > That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them > > or > > did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good > > to be > > true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better > > Business > > Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they > > are > > legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That > > way if > > things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys > > going > > after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are > > scam > > artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have > > more > > old iron than space to work. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > > > > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > > > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > > > > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > > > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > > > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 27 10:10:53 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:10:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle Message-ID: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? Tom Texas, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 10:18:24 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle In-Reply-To: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Tom, One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. Good luck. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: > I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is > gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 10:22:00 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wanna Make Some Money? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Remember the repro Novo "S" cast iron hopper cover that recently sold on eBay for around $70? I just noticed that Hit & Miss lists them in their catalog for $20.50. You could turn a quick $50 each on eBay; at least until the word gets out. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 27 11:19:15 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:19:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c66a27$17a18d10$82347246@mycomputer> Thanks for the info... Tom TEXAS, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle > Hi Tom, > > One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like > Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, > Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). > > There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see > if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and > have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to > find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. > > Good luck. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: > >> I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is >> gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 11:35:47 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... Message-ID: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> April 27, 2006 Grey Hautaluoma/Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington (202) 358-0668/1726 RELEASE: 06-204 NASA CLARIFIES INFORMATION ON COMET APPROACH NASA issued information Thursday about Comet 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3, which will be passing Earth as it approaches the point nearest the sun during its 5.5 year orbit. Astronomers have been observing the comet for more than 75 years. The trajectory of this comet has been monitored and refined over time, and its path around the sun is well understood. The comet has broken into more than 40 fragments. Any pieces resulting from the breakup of its main body will come no closer than 5.5 million miles to Earth, or more than 20 times the Earth-moon distance, during its closest approaches May 12 - 28. Neither the main comet nor any of its pieces pose a danger to Earth. The main fragment C comet will pass closest to Earth on May 12 at a distance of approximately 7.3 million miles. It will be visible to small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation Vulpecula. NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope will observe the comet in May. NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has also viewed it. For images and more information about the comet, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/hubble For information about NASA and agency programs, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/home -end- Steve W. Life is not like a box of chocolates it's more like a jar of jalapenos- what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 12:07:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) In-Reply-To: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve, There a secret memo making the rounds that discusses this. It seems that post-Katrina and with the comet disaster looming, FEMA is being disbanded. They have acknowledged that "there is no way we can handle a disaster on a par with a comet strike." The White House issued an Executive Order to NASA to prepare and publicize a "calming" Press Release so that folks wouldn't panic and wouldn't cancel their magazine subscriptions. So, as the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sez, "DON'T PANIC!" and keep your towel handy. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Steve W. wrote: > April 27, 2006 > > RELEASE: 06-204 > NASA CLARIFIES INFORMATION ON COMET APPROACH > The comet has broken into more than 40 fragments. Any pieces resulting > from the breakup of its main body will come no closer than 5.5 > million miles to Earth, or more than 20 times the Earth-moon > distance, during its closest approaches May 12 - 28. Neither the main > comet nor any of its pieces pose a danger to Earth. From MBellar at aol.com Thu Apr 27 13:45:48 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:45:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Rumely Oil Turn Pictures Message-ID: <37d.22f4934.3182877c@aol.com> Hi List A while back Arnie requested some pictures of tray cooled engines. I offered to send him a CD of my cooling systems picture files along with some shots of a friend's Rumely Oil Turn project. Ken Christison contacted me and said that he was willing to post them to the Internet for all of us to enjoy. I took Ken up on his generous offer, and here is the site _http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/bellar/_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/bellar/) Thank you Ken for a great job. Tom Bellar SW Ohio -------------------------------1146170748 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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A while back Arnie requested some pictures of tray cooled engines. I=20 offered to send him a CD of my cooling systems picture files along with some= =20 shots of a friend's Rumely Oil Turn project. Ken Christison contacted m= e=20 and said that he was willing to post them to the Internet for all=20= of=20 us to enjoy. I took Ken up on his generous offer, and here is the site http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/bellar/  =20 Thank you Ken for a great job.
 
Tom Bellar SW Ohio
 From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 27 15:23:46 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:23:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <5653988c9d70dc0a36fe1b74a5be8156@chartertn.net> A "brick and mortar address" for a steel building company would be ironic, no? The owner's blurb on that page lists "Victoria, VA" as his location. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 27 15:26:01 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:26:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... In-Reply-To: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> > It will be visible to > small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation > Vulpecula. Quick, point out Vulpecula! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From cwja at telus.net Thu Apr 27 16:33:02 2006 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair Message-ID: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice for me please. BTY please remember I am the Canadian Jeff , the good guy -- Jeff Allen Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 27 17:29:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:29:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <445161E0.1080008@scrtc.com> Chuck, I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the auction in Milton. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler?s show in Irvine KY this >weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks ?N?, 1 ? >HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! > >Chuck Emsweller >Rushville, IN >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 27 17:31:56 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:31:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Reidsville Message-ID: <1ad.4a5decd5.3182bc7c@aol.com> I will be there Saturday morning with 2004 red, Chev, extended cab truck, with red trailer and red 7hp Economy saw rig on it, hope fully running! Hope to see everyone there. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 17:59:52 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:59:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <003801c66a5f$0efae980$371117d1@net.telenet.net> It's up about there, See it now? No, Well would you look where I'm pointing....... That's where it is.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... > > It will be visible to > > small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation > > Vulpecula. > > Quick, point out Vulpecula! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 18:03:14 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:03:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <003c01c66a5f$87526840$371117d1@net.telenet.net> It is actually the "Little Fox" constellation here are a couple sites that will show you where to look . http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/skycharts/vul.gif http://www.seds.org/messier/map/Vul.html Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... > > It will be visible to > > small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation > > Vulpecula. > > Quick, point out Vulpecula! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 18:11:25 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:11:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <005601c66a60$abf06160$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Arnie, Your closer to the truth on FEMA than you probably know. There is a LOT of pressure to either separate it out of the DOHS or to eliminate it entirely. Been getting a lot of memos from other folks involved with FEMA (I am associated with them as a trainer) about the shake up. Personally it was easier to get things done when it was a separate agency but they were always behind the curve on many things. Now it's typical gov. red tape unless you enjoy "special status". Have you seen the newest movie version of HGG? Kind of a let down from the series though. About like the newest version of Dr. Who, too many hands in the pie I guess. Steve Williams > To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Slick Willy" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) > Hi Steve, > > There a secret memo making the rounds that discusses this. > > It seems that post-Katrina and with the comet disaster looming, FEMA is > being disbanded. They have acknowledged that "there is no way we can > handle a disaster on a par with a comet strike." > > The White House issued an Executive Order to NASA to prepare and publicize > a "calming" Press Release so that folks wouldn't panic and wouldn't > cancel their magazine subscriptions. > > So, as the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sez, "DON'T PANIC!" and keep > your towel handy. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Steve W. wrote: > > > April 27, 2006 > > > > RELEASE: 06-204 > > NASA CLARIFIES INFORMATION ON COMET APPROACH > > > > > The comet has broken into more than 40 fragments. Any pieces resulting > > from the breakup of its main body will come no closer than 5.5 > > million miles to Earth, or more than 20 times the Earth-moon > > distance, during its closest approaches May 12 - 28. Neither the main > > comet nor any of its pieces pose a danger to Earth. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 27 18:32:09 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... In-Reply-To: <003c01c66a5f$87526840$371117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> <003c01c66a5f$87526840$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <5a64199933b198a1a95ade82b6be0ff6@chartertn.net> On either side of it are Cygnus and Delphinus, two of the few constellations that to me really look like what they're named for. John On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Steve W. wrote: > It is actually the "Little Fox" constellation here are a couple sites > that will show you where to look . > > http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/skycharts/vul.gif > http://www.seds.org/messier/map/Vul.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 18:38:20 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:38:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060426.191024.868.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060426.191024.868.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427213714.039bd6e8@mail.alltel.net> >The story is the Marines ordered the building, put $3,000 down, then >backed out at the last minute. They will let me have it for the balance, >then knocked off another $1,000, and free delivery. >Ron Haskell Hi Ron, If you believe that story I have a bridge that you might want to consider! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 18:47:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:47:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) In-Reply-To: <005601c66a60$abf06160$371117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <005601c66a60$abf06160$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427214703.03a76a70@mail.alltel.net> At 09:11 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >Arnie, > > Your closer to the truth on FEMA than you probably know. > >Steve Williams Steve, Why would you say that? Arnie KNOWS everything! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 27 19:21:48 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:21:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <20060428022122.HTZI27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, I think you covered it all very well. The Austral & Blackstone hot-bulbs are pretty much identical in operation as the Austral is essentially a copy of the Blackstone (and can be debated as on improvement on the design). The only real difference is the position of the timing valve (on the Blackstone it is vertical and on the Austral horizontal) and the position of the fuel valve (on the Blackstone it is on the side and on the Austral on top). One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is heart-stopping. Australs are supposedly less prone to this problem by the valve being on top and further away from the lamp. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Apr 27 19:22:47 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:22:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Can you deliver that bridge Dave? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > Hi Ron, If you believe that story I have a bridge that you might > want to > consider! From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 19:48:48 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:48:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427224338.03ab1878@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ron, YES! The marines ordered it for an invasion of Iraq, but China and Russia will exercise a veto tomorrow. Thus I can get it for you at a really good price. Contact me off List for details! Dave PS, An overhead 9'X9' or 9'X18' door can also be supplied at a VERY reasonable additional cost! At 10:22 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >Can you deliver that bridge Dave? > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > > Hi Ron, If you believe that story I have a bridge that you might > > want to > > consider! From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 20:04:14 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: <410-220064528341478@earthlink.net> is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, rednecked. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > I specialize in New Way storage for you Tim!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > > > hmmm, Royster and protected engine storage. Just doesn't sound right. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > >> > >> It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to > > ship > >> all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of > >> blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from > > all > >> those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. > >> > >> MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC > >> From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Apr 27 20:32:32 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:32:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <445161E0.1080008@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000801c66a74$627456e0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Tommy, I know that is a tough decision. Looks like it will be a good auction there in Milton. If you go that way, hope something follows you home! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show Chuck, I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the auction in Milton. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler?s show in Irvine KY this >weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks ?N?, 1 ? >HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! > >Chuck Emsweller >Rushville, IN >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 27 21:09:12 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:09:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <000801c66a74$627456e0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000801c66a74$627456e0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. Tommy >Tommy, > >I know that is a tough decision. Looks like it will be a good auction >there in Milton. If you go that way, hope something follows you home! > >Chuck > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show > >Chuck, >I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing > >each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the >auction in Milton. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >>Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler's show in Irvine KY this >>weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >>tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks "N", 1 ? >>HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >>one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >>and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! >> >>Chuck Emsweller >>Rushville, IN >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------070102040002060101070802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site.  Boy, that guy sure collected junk.  It looks like nothing ever got thrown away.  I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell.  I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. 

Tommy


Tommy,

I know that is a tough decision.  Looks like it will be a good auction
there in Milton.  If you go that way, hope something follows you home!

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show

Chuck,
I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing

each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the 
auction in Milton.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  
Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler’s show in Irvine KY this
weekend?  I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early
tomorrow morning to go to the show.  Taking the 10HP Fairbanks “N”, 1 ½
HP Hercules, 1 ½ HP Sandow, and  a Choremaster.  For a young show, this
one has been pretty good!  There were over 100 engines their first year
and it has grown each year since.  Hope to see some of you there!

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN
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From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Apr 27 22:45:29 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060428054529.28AFA233D5@mprdmxin.myway.com> What building ??? if you find it maybe I can pull it over to your house with my JD (D)-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 04/27, Ron D Haskell < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: Ron D Haskell [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:37:53 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] Metal buildingHi ArineI really want to thank the ATIS family for their input on this. The websit for this building is:http://www.curvcosteelbuildings.com/curvco_features.htmland it is the style "P".Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside California USAhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Ferowrites:> Hi Ron,> > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the > web.> No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel > buildings (or> similar combinations) in McKees Rocks.> > That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them > or> did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good > to be> true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better > Business> Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they > are> legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That > way if> things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys > going> after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are > scam> artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have > more> old iron than space to work.> > See ya, Arnie> > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:> > > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online> >> > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures> > McKees Rocks, PA 15136.> >> > I can try to find out more if you wish.> > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks.> > It's not that big and someone should know of them.> >> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that.> _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 00:09:02 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:09:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair In-Reply-To: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> Message-ID: G'day Jeff. There is nothing to be concerned about when taking the magntes off your Sumter as long as you use a keeper on them. I would however re-magnetise them before putting them back on making sure that poles are the same way of course. I recently was asked to re magnitise a sumpter for a fellow and was not having much sucess. I found that someone else had in fact reversed one magnet. After this was rectified all was fine and his engine now runs fine. Regards Lyndsay >From: Allen Home >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:02 -0600 > >I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless >Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me >into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would >like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things >apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag >apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen >and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the >magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to >buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice >for me please. > >BTY please remember I am the Canadian Jeff , the good guy > >-- >Jeff Allen Home >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Apr 28 01:35:29 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:35:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville In-Reply-To: <1ad.4a5decd5.3182bc7c@aol.com> References: <1ad.4a5decd5.3182bc7c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4451D3D1.9060803@comcast.net> Alright Tom : A Chevy man! I just could tell by your postings,you're an intelligent fella. From one Chevy lover to another: mike From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Apr 28 01:40:04 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:40:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4451D4E4.9090309@comcast.net> "Can you deliver that bridge Dave? Ron Haskell" Yeah,I'd like to know more about it's construction,materials,size and shape.Can it be cut into a trailerable size (autohauler) for shipment? I'm assuning it's mostly metal. mike From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 02:36:28 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:36:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= >From: Judge Tommy Turner > >I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. >Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got thrown >away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't >decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other >stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of >Rushville. > >Tommy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Apr 28 02:40:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:40:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060428093944.CLYH25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Five spoke flywheels, possibly Ingeco? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From mcghee9 at comcast.net Thu Apr 27 18:32:53 2006 From: mcghee9 at comcast.net (McGhee) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:32:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show References: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <000001c66ab0$9ef3bd40$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net> I was wondering about the show. I will be there tomorrow afternoon. Carl McGhee Battle Creek, Mi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Emsweller" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler's show in Irvine KY this weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks "N", 1 ? HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! Chuck Emsweller Rushville, IN _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Apr 28 02:05:16 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:05:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] RE: Wolseley R /TOMM magazine Message-ID: <200604281156437.SM01416@new.databak.co.za> Hi All on SEL, I posted this "Thanks" to the Oldengine list on Wednesday but inadvertently forgot to send it to SEL. The original request went to both lists and, as I received most replies "off list", I did not know which list the replies came from so this is for the SEL members who may not have seen my OldEngine reply. Apologies to those getting it twice - you,ve got a "delete" key. >Hi Guys, Wow ! You Aussies are the greatest - pity that your cricket team is also the greatest :-(. [Note to Dave Rotigel - this has nothing to do with fishing :-)] After my request re Wolseley R last night my inbox has overflowed with mail from Aus and I'd like to say thanks to all of you. Most of it contained scanned attachments so thanks for sending it "off list" as it may have filled other members mailboxes unnecessarily. Brad Soward, Peter Ogborne, Peter Lowe, Dave Carter, Kerry Morris, Ron Page and others all replied with really useful info. Thanks to you all. This afternoon I went and had a look at the other 6 H.P. Model R that I mentioned. This one has the original flywheels but has a lot of other parts missing. Hell - it is a seriously ugly looking engine with those big flywheels!! I've only seen mine (sans flywheels) and visualised it as being a pretty good looking engine. I think mine will look pretty good with the Lister spoked flywheels (albeit - not original). Thanks for all the input and I'll keep you informed as usual. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From clemsweller at etczone.com Fri Apr 28 03:37:01 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:37:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c66aaf$aeeb6000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> The sale bill made it sound better than you. Of course that's not uncommon. If you came down 3, south of Rushville, you went through a very small town of Sandusky. I am about 7 miles east of that small town. Anyway, waiting on the wife to finish getting ready so we can head to Irvine. Should be there by 10:30 or so. It's been a long winter, and I am ready for our first show of the year. Maybe we will still see you up there. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:09 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. Tommy >Tommy, > >I know that is a tough decision. Looks like it will be a good auction >there in Milton. If you go that way, hope something follows you home! > >Chuck > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show > >Chuck, >I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing > >each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the >auction in Milton. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >>Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler's show in Irvine KY this >>weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >>tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks "N", 1 ? >>HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >>one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >>and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! >> >>Chuck Emsweller >>Rushville, IN >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------070102040002060101070802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site.  Boy, that guy sure collected junk.  It looks like nothing ever got thrown away.  I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell.  I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. 

Tommy


Tommy,

I know that is a tough decision.  Looks like it will be a good auction
there in Milton.  If you go that way, hope something follows you home!

Chuck

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Tommy Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show

Chuck,
I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing

each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the 
auction in Milton.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  
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weekend?  I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early
tomorrow morning to go to the show.  Taking the 10HP Fairbanks
“N”, 1 ½
HP Hercules, 1 ½ HP Sandow, and  a Choremaster.  For a young
show, this
one has been pretty good!  There were over 100 engines their first year
and it has grown each year since.  Hope to see some of you there!

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN
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_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 28 04:29:17 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:29:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <410-220064528341478@earthlink.net> References: <410-220064528341478@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4451FC8D.8020900@imc-group.com> Tim, Ya know there are so many blue tarps in his backyard that word has gotten around the local aviation community and this sea-of-blue has become a navigational landmark when flying VFR! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Tim Christoff wrote: >is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature >controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, rednecked. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 28 04:39:18 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:39:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle In-Reply-To: References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <4451FEE6.2010906@imc-group.com> Tom, Do you have a friend with a small lathe? Here is how I make them and keep them straight.. This was one of my early attempts at documentation, so sorry about the dark images. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Tom, > >One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like >Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, >Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). > >There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see >if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and >have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to >find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. > >Good luck. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: > > > >>I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is >>gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? >> >> > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 05:39:42 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:39:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44520D0E.8040501@scrtc.com> Luke, I had a great deal of interest in it until I saw it. The gearing is gone (some teeth on both the crank and cam gear are rusted almost completely away), the cylinder is pitted bad and its about as rusty a hunk of iron as I've ever seen. Surprisingly, its not stuck. You can roll it over and look in the back of the cylinder. Some REAL heavy pitting can be seen. I suspicion this old hunk of iron has never seen the inside of a shed in its lifetime. It would have to be pretty cheap to end up in my barn. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi Tommy, > > How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with > hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. > > http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 > > Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? > > http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ============================= > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> >> I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction >> site. Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever >> got thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be >> interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all >> day and watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and >> came right through the middle of Rushville. >> >> Tommy > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 06:03:24 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:03:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <000001c66aaf$aeeb6000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c66aaf$aeeb6000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <4452129C.1040700@scrtc.com> Yup Chuck, I came right through there. Its 50/50 as to which way I'll head. Its about a 3 hour drive to the auction and about a 2 1/2 hour drive to the show. The pickup will lead me! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >The sale bill made it sound better than you. Of course that's not >uncommon. If you came down 3, south of Rushville, you went through a >very small town of Sandusky. I am about 7 miles east of that small >town. > >Anyway, waiting on the wife to finish getting ready so we can head to >Irvine. Should be there by 10:30 or so. It's been a long winter, and I >am ready for our first show of the year. > >Maybe we will still see you up there. > >Chuck > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 06:46:25 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:46:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: <44520D0E.8040501@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tommy I appreciate the report. I would have been really disappointed to drive 6 hours then find that out. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA P.S. I built a cart for the Peerless, will make it easier to move around, get it in the garage, and do some work on it. ====================== >From: Judge Tommy Turner > >Luke, > I had a great deal of interest in it until I saw it. The gearing is >gone (some teeth on both the crank and cam gear are rusted almost >completely away), the cylinder is pitted bad and its about as rusty a hunk >of iron as I've ever seen. Surprisingly, its not stuck. You can roll it >over and look in the back of the cylinder. Some REAL heavy pitting can be >seen. I suspicion this old hunk of iron has never seen the inside of a >shed in its lifetime. It would have to be pretty cheap to end up in my >barn. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Apr 28 06:48:56 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: References: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060428084754.051414c8@herculesengines.com> The engine in picture #2 looks to be an Echo weed eater.:-) Shouldn't bring to much but does have a very small flywheel. Keith At 04:36 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with >hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. > >http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 > >Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? > >http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > >============================= > >>From: Judge Tommy Turner >> >>I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. >>Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got >>thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested >>in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and >>watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came >>right through the middle of Rushville. >> >>Tommy > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 28 06:50:16 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> <4451FEE6.2010906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001e01c66aca$ae83f760$82347246@mycomputer> Thanks for the info Curt.. Now to find a good lathe and learn a new skill... Tom Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle > Tom, > Do you have a friend with a small lathe? Here is how I make them and keep > them straight.. > > This was one of my early attempts at documentation, so sorry about the > dark images. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >>One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like >>Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, >>Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). >> >>There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see >>if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and >>have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to >>find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. >> >>Good luck. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: >> >> >>>I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is >>>gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 07:28:44 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4452269C.3020206@scrtc.com> Luke, If you were hoping for a nice hunk of iron, I don't think you'll find it at this particular auction. I thought I had some rusty stuff, but the iron at this junk even makes the little gearless olds engine I got off you look like a "nice original". So, that should give you a hint as to the condition of most of it. Send me some photos of the Peerless and the progress you make on it. Tommy > Thanks Tommy I appreciate the report. I would have been really > disappointed to drive 6 hours then find that out. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > P.S. I built a cart for the Peerless, will make it easier to move > around, get it in the garage, and do some work on it. > ====================== > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> >> Luke, >> I had a great deal of interest in it until I saw it. The gearing >> is gone (some teeth on both the crank and cam gear are rusted almost >> completely away), the cylinder is pitted bad and its about as rusty a >> hunk of iron as I've ever seen. Surprisingly, its not stuck. You >> can roll it over and look in the back of the cylinder. Some REAL >> heavy pitting can be seen. I suspicion this old hunk of iron has >> never seen the inside of a shed in its lifetime. It would have to be >> pretty cheap to end up in my barn. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 07:33:01 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:33:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060428084754.051414c8@herculesengines.com> References: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060428084754.051414c8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4452279D.907@scrtc.com> Keith, The IH is the one that Luke and I have been chatting about. Its rusty and needs a bunch of TLC but its not stuck (don't know how though). I don't think the rear wheels (small ones) are correct though as the engine sits downhill about 6 inches from the front to rear. It would be a nice winter (or two) project. The 5 spoker is an Ingeco. Its probably the best engine on the grounds but even its had the mag bracket cut off, bored, and a spark plug screwed in. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > The engine in picture #2 looks to be an Echo weed eater.:-) > Shouldn't bring to much but does have a very small flywheel. > Keith > > > At 04:36 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: > >> Hi Tommy, >> >> How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with >> hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. >> >> http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 >> >> Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? >> >> http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> >> ============================= >> >>> From: Judge Tommy Turner >>> >>> I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction >>> site. >>> Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got >>> thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested >>> in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and >>> watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came >>> right through the middle of Rushville. >>> >>> Tommy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 07:36:05 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:36:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle In-Reply-To: <001e01c66aca$ae83f760$82347246@mycomputer> References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> <4451FEE6.2010906@imc-group.com> <001e01c66aca$ae83f760$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <44522855.4000806@scrtc.com> Tom, Check out ebay. I'm surprise at some of the lathes on there and how reasonable some are (especially the older ones). Be cautious though. If you found one for sale and it was within a hundred miles of you, I'd recommend that you take a look at it. If they're complete worn out, you're about as well off sticking a piece of metal in your drill and holding it against your grinder. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Thanks for the info Curt.. Now to find a good lathe and learn a new > skill... > > > Tom > Texas From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Apr 28 07:43:08 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:43:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer Message-ID: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be someone on one of the engine lists. While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the damage. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Apr 28 07:51:32 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:51:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle Message-ID: <37b.240ecdf.318385f4@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/2006 5:07:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Do you have a friend with a small lathe? Here is how I make them and keep them straight.. 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 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 28 09:23:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:23:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <20060428022122.HTZI27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <015801c66ae0$0b87de30$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >One little danger with these engines is >the fuel valve. As the engine governs on the non-opening >of this valve prolonged exposure of the valve spring to >heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking off. Wow Patrick, I never thought of that. Such a failure would render my "Last-ditch contingency plan" ineffective. The old plan involved stopping the fuel valve by removing the cam follower. Obviously, this would not help in the event of a failure like you describe. The revised plan is to manually hold open the intake. Thanks for the safety alert. Rob From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 12:21:54 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:21:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <200604281600.k3SG04IZ011330@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Message: 48 >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:43:08 -0500 >From: "Gary Epps" >Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer >To: "SEL" , > >Message-ID: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40 at gary> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be >someone on one of the engine lists. > >While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic >acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a >strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to >repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no >recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that >someone >may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the >damage. >Any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gary >In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >the >USA, where both life and I move slowly. There is a company named Eastwood that seels to the automobile restorer crowd. I think that they make a product that is supposed to reproduce the appearance of galvanized parts. http://www.eastwoodco.com/ From bmvid at snet.net Fri Apr 28 13:06:34 2006 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:06:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <445275CA.6080403@snet.net> Hi Gary: I don't have an answer to your problem but how long did it take the acid to strip of the galvanized surface? I often have to sand the coating off scrap pipe and angle iron before welding and painting. A quick dip and rinse would make things alot easier. Mick Gary Epps wrote: > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely > be someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall > muratic acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which > promptly ate a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product > that I can use to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel > had no recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit > that someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to > repair the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Apr 28 13:14:51 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:14:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> <445275CA.6080403@snet.net> Message-ID: <00fd01c66b00$6d008340$6283fb40@gary> It didn't take very long. I don't now recall how long before it showed signs of deterioration, but it wasn't very long. Use a plastic container or such for your dip tank. It will be interesting to see if it is a useable procedure for you. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick DeMaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer > Hi Gary: > I don't have an answer to your problem but how long did it take the acid > to strip of the galvanized surface? > I often have to sand the coating off scrap pipe and angle iron before > welding and painting. A quick dip and rinse would make things alot easier. > > Mick > > > > Gary Epps wrote: > >> This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely >> be someone on one of the engine lists. >> >> While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic >> acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate >> a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use >> to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no >> recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that >> someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair >> the damage. Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Gary >> In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >> the USA, where both life and I move slowly. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 14:32:22 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:32:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: <410-220064528213222921@earthlink.net> Has the local law checked under all those tarps lately, you never know what you will find hiding under an area as large as that, a bit of smokie smokie comes to mind. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Curt > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/28/2006 6:37:02 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > Tim, > Ya know there are so many blue tarps in his backyard that word has > gotten around the local aviation community and this sea-of-blue has > become a navigational landmark when flying VFR! :-) > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Tim Christoff wrote: > > >is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature > >controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, rednecked. > > > >Tim Christoff > >Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 4/27/2006 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 28 15:49:27 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:49:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <001b01c66b16$04adcf30$f5f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> The only thing i would suggest Gary is a Cold Zinc paint. This is the normal surface treatment to any welds onto gal surfaces. The paint soon takes on an oxide appearance. After all it is Zinc powder in a solvent carrier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "SEL" ; Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be > someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that > someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair > the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 28 15:28:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: Hi Gary, Go to McMaster-Carr and search on "Galvanizing Coatings". It looks like there are a number of products that will do what you want. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Gary Epps wrote: > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that someone > may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the damage. From jbcast at charter.net Fri Apr 28 17:33:30 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:33:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Galvanized Boat Trailer Message-ID: <2017325708.1146270810347.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> > >While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > >acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > >strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > >repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > >recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that > >someone > >may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the > >damage. > >Any suggestions? > > > >Thanks in advance. > > There's a product called Cold Galv, available in a spray can. You'll probably have to spray the entire fender, it'll look galvenized and stop rust. J.B. Castagnos From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 28 15:14:48 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:14:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED References: <410-220064528213222921@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009601c66b11$29d8fbe0$536b4b47@mikecomp> Must be Kansas talk for horse corn!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > Has the local law checked under all those tarps lately, you never know > what > you will find hiding under an area as large as that, a bit of smokie > smokie > comes to mind. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Curt >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 4/28/2006 6:37:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED >> >> Tim, >> Ya know there are so many blue tarps in his backyard that word has >> gotten around the local aviation community and this sea-of-blue has >> become a navigational landmark when flying VFR! :-) >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> Tim Christoff wrote: >> >> >is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature >> >controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, >> >rednecked. >> > >> >Tim Christoff >> >Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 4/27/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 28 20:22:02 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:22:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle Message-ID: <20060428.233104.1240.1.jlb94@juno.com> The last needle valve I made - I put a piece of brazing rod in the drill press and used a file, while the press was running, to file a point on the rod. Then I found a 1/8" brass pipe fitting that fit the mixer and after soldering a brass washer to the one end of the pipe fitting, to make a dial, soldered the rod into the other end of the pipe fitting. It took a little measuring and fitting. But then - - - I would think nothing of purchasing a $900 lathe to make a $9 needle valve. Go for it !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From weolson at wiktel.com Fri Apr 28 20:35:25 2006 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:35:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <4452DEFD.4030905@wiktel.com> Go to the following site for ZRC? Cold Galvanizing Compound, available in brushable and spray cans. It can be ordered directly on line or by phone from them. http://www.zrcworldwide.com/p_zrc.asp William Olson Gary Epps wrote: > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most > likely be someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall > muratic acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which > promptly ate a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product > that I can use to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store > personnel had no recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing > repair kit that someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and > would like to repair the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part > of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Apr 28 23:28:01 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:28:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <20060428022122.HTZI27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> >One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >heart-stopping. Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Apr 29 00:18:41 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:18:41 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20060429071812.NWWB15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I have a pair of multi-grips in the tool box for grabbing the fuel valve if it happens to misbehave. Blocking the induction tube will sometimes stop an Austral or Blackstone and (if you are feeling strong) holding open the exhaust or air valves (or both if you have help). It is amazing how much speed the engines can pick up and how long it takes for those flywheels to slow down again! Thankfully my 3.5hp Austral has not played the fuel-valve trick but I keep my eye on it. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. Russell From svsuzanne at copper.net Sat Apr 29 02:30:23 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:30:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <007a01c66b6f$8c142470$bca40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> You can get a cold galvanizing in a rattle can from NAPA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "SEL" ; Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer > > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be > someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that > someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair > the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 4/22/2006 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 29 03:29:27 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:29:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001f01c66b77$d0939150$e7fb30cb@ogborneuah38i3> Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > >>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>heart-stopping. > > Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with > the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of > this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even > been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my > engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot > bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It > made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first made > a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these old > girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up and > with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went as > one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old girl > down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had to save > the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a friend with > me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up big time!) we > pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will run out quick > enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was to hot to > remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold the valve > shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a decent hold onto > the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was on our side as we > managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve started to crush a > little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve better and it slowed > down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away the stained undies. > Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left the engine alone for a > little while. I think all this happened about the time on the SEL we were > chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 years ago. Well I can smile > about it now and talk about my 1000rpm blacky. From all this I guess could > come a question for any oil engine gurus as to how would they (if there is > an easy way) shut down a hot bulb engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if > they ran away like that. > > Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Apr 29 06:14:02 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:14:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001c01c66b8e$c8df6710$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> I dont have a engine like that but I am guessing you could flood the engine with tooo much fuel and choke it to death with a over rich mixture of gas as could you spray wd 40 or something like that in the intack vaulve area ???? don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > >>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>heart-stopping. > > Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with > the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of > this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even > been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my > engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot > bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It > made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first made > a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these old > girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up and > with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went as > one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old girl > down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had to save > the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a friend with > me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up big time!) we > pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will run out quick > enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was to hot to > remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold the valve > shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a decent hold onto > the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was on our side as we > managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve started to crush a > little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve better and it slowed > down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away the stained undies. > Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left the engine alone for a > little while. I think all this happened about the time on the SEL we were > chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 years ago. Well I can smile > about it now and talk about my 1000rpm blacky. From all this I guess could > come a question for any oil engine gurus as to how would they (if there is > an easy way) shut down a hot bulb engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if > they ran away like that. > > Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From w3ecu at netscape.net Sat Apr 29 10:51:59 2006 From: w3ecu at netscape.net (w3ecu at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair In-Reply-To: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> References: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> Message-ID: <8C839CCBF7BC14C-28DC-1737B@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Jeff- if you want to clean up the metal get a Dremel tool with the buffing attachments and a jar of Mothers metal polish. Do not take the mag apart if you don't know what you are doing. I started to "repair" a Webster Tripolar with disastrous results. Later- Rich -----Original Message----- From: Allen Home To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice for me please. BTY please remember I am the Canadian Jeff , the good guy -- Jeff Allen Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ----------MailBlocks_8C839CCBF5A608A_28DC_10C12_mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice for me please.  
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http://mail.netscape.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 30 01:56:44 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:56:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Engines Auction Message-ID: <002a01c66c34$02c71ae0$3ac10b52@no1> For any of you guys that like Sterling & other hot Air engines there is an auction forthcoming. Do a search on the web site http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=MySearchResults&saction=none type in "hot air" The British Engineerium items are there & though my heart longs for the items my wallet has nearly had a heart attack at the anticipated prices! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Apr 30 08:20:18 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Hot Air Engines Auction In-Reply-To: <002a01c66c34$02c71ae0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200604301520.k3UFKS8i052388@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:57 AM To: atis Cc: Old Engine Subject: Hot Air Engines Auction For any of you guys that like Sterling & other hot Air engines there is an auction forthcoming. Do a search on the web site type in "hot air" The British Engineerium items are there & though my heart longs for the items my wallet has nearly had a heart attack at the anticipated prices! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you for the tip, David. For sure, those engines will fetch bids out of my reach; but, I think they're being overly optimistic on some of the items. I can't see how anybody in their right mind would bid ?200-250 on a Solar engine or ?450-550 on a fluidyne. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From frappi at wcoil.com Sat Apr 1 09:43:19 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:43:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Maytag Flywheel Needs Charged in Kansas In-Reply-To: <200604011700.k31H04os014839@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20060401124319.0082a9d0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi All, Is there anyone in the Atchison Kansas area that does Magneto work? Roger needs to give his Maytag twin flywheel a boost in its magnetic personality. If anyone has some info on who and where to go in that area contact "Roger & Lorrie Dunning" Thanks, Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Please Visit The Maytag Maytag Multi-Motor parts Collectors Club at Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 9 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 Saturday 9 AM to 10 PM at cell #419.516.2996 If you have Verizon Cell Phone you may call the cell number during the weekday hours. No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 1 09:25:03 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:25:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER Message-ID: $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER Item number: 7603090176 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Seller: smutz(1392) Sold for: US $76.00 From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Apr 1 12:14:01 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:14:01 EST Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store sometime in the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to make our that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat date also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads D666. This is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake valve that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take close up pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. Any help appreciated. http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 1 13:26:03 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:26:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco help In-Reply-To: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: <91d1abafef0cca92832a2f81f8d85020@chartertn.net> Pretty cool piece, Tom! Looks like you're going to have your hands full for a while sorting it out. John On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I extracted the Delco light plant today John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 1 13:46:52 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:46:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d401c655d5$ca87cbd0$240110ac@PAUL2> Tom I am not sure about your state but in most states, except Arkansas, it is against the law to own an old Delco Light Plant, something to do with hazardous fume law. Anyway knowing what a fine man you are and knowing that none of us on the List would want to see you arrested over this thing I will let you go ahead and send it to me. This will be basically keeping it in the family and will keep you out of trouble. Anything for a friend. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Delco help >I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store > sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 1 13:48:12 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:48:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: Very nice Tom!! Guess if I had any questions, I'd go to: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 and you'll probably hear back from "Delco Don." Good Luck, RickinMt. > I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store > sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the > building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to > make our > that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat > date > also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads > D666. This > is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone > have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake > valve > that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take > close up > pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. > Any > help appreciated. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 1 13:52:31 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: and this looks interesting; http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/delco.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Delco help > I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store > sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the > building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to > make our > that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat > date > also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads > D666. This > is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone > have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake > valve > that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take > close up > pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. > Any > help appreciated. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From no1djc at hotmail.com Sat Apr 1 14:10:21 2006 From: no1djc at hotmail.com (david carter) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:10:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Delco help In-Reply-To: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: Check out SmokStak's Generator section Sparks and Arcs. Don C. Wiley dated mine for me and has info about Delco equipment. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 (You may have to register to ask a question.) Good luck! Regards, Dave Carter. Yorkshire, England. >The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the >building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to make >our >that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat date >also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads D666. >This >is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone >have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake >valve >that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take close >up >pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. >Any >help appreciated. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Apr 1 19:16:06 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:16:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally In-Reply-To: <20060328212700.SM01288@new.databak.co.za> Message-ID: <20060402031610.UAJR1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Jerry, The digital camera speeds the process up a lot. I have templates for the pages set up and a few other little tricks to streamline the process. If I was married the pics would probably take a lot longer to get online ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- >Subject: Re: [SEL] Canberra Rally Hi Patrick, Thanks - I think I should keep an eMail template for replies to your posts after shows. They are always very quick, the pics are good, the pages load fast (even on my dialup). Does your wife sit next to you with a Laptop on the way home so that everything is ready to upload as soon as you get home ? You get the pages up so fast - I often wonder ! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Apr 1 20:16:02 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:16:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER References: Message-ID: <003501c6560c$27ec1f20$bd161941@pengy> Yeah for sure. I would cast you new ones all day long for closer to $7.60 each, not $76. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER > $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER > Item number: 7603090176 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: smutz(1392) > Sold for: US $76.00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Sat Apr 1 20:34:47 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:34:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Falk Piston Core Box, Piston Pattern and Rocker Arm Patterns update. Message-ID: <001c01c6560e$c64d3f80$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi all I have been able to spend a little more time on my pattern making project; I'm finally ready for paint and to get these sent off to Rick Rowlands at the Tod Engine Works. I have put a few more pictures up on my Web Shots page if anyone would like to have a look. I will try to take a few more after they are painted, have the castings numbers and locaters installed. Piston & Core Box; Last 11 pictures http://community.webshots.com/album/547573772SETaSd Rocker arms; Last 11 pictures http://community.webshots.com/album/548384271MxhLtk Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 1 21:22:08 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:22:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER In-Reply-To: <003501c6560c$27ec1f20$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <20060402052212.3F7499B41B@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Rick, Please contact me off list, I need 10 Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato,Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER Yeah for sure. I would cast you new ones all day long for closer to $7.60 each, not $76. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER > $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER > Item number: 7603090176 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: smutz(1392) > Sold for: US $76.00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bmvid at snet.net Sun Apr 2 05:21:16 2006 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:21:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Delco help In-Reply-To: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> References: <2a6.1139611.31603909@aol.com> Message-ID: <442FC1BC.8040406@snet.net> Hi Tom: I have some Delco info on my web site that might help: http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/Delco/index.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/demaria/Delco/1.pdf The pdf file lists 2-1/2KV 110volt wiring diagrams and troubleshooting procedures starting on page 65. I think they are similar to your unit. The pdf file is quite large and will take a while to download if you don't have broadband. I agree with Rick, Delco Don is the expert on these things I'm not sure what happened to Dr. Delco. Hope this helps Mick Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I extracted the Delco light plant today from the mansion that my wife's > grandfather installed for the owner, while working at a hardware store sometime in > the early 1900's. Pictures can be seen below. This is the first time the > engine has seen daylight for at least 80 years and more than likely 90. > > The unit is a 3KW unit and has the original muffler that hung outside the > building. There is a small plate on the switch panel and I was able to make our > that it is a 125 volt system, 1200 rpm, pat. Oct. 7, 190? Another pat date > also but cannot make it out. A small tag riveted to the housing reads D666. This > is probably a serial number. Could someone date the engine for me? Anyone > have a unit like this. There is some linkage loose coming from the intake valve > that must have gone to the carb, but something is missing. Can take close up > pictures of this if needed. Also the cover for the brushes is missing. Any > help appreciated. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco7 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco8 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Delco9 > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 05:54:35 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:54:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <1f1.4d31e4d0.3161238b@aol.com> In a message dated 4/1/2006 6:11:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << and knowing that none of us on the List would want to see you arrested over this thing I will let you go ahead and send it to me. >> Paul, Living on my wife's family farm of 375 acres gives me plenty of hiding spaces so I am good for a while. Also boxer dog keeps undesirables at bay too. But, things happen so will keep your offer in mind! Thanks, Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 06:21:50 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:21:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <368.fa632e.316129ee@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2006 8:40:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bmvid at snet.net writes: << I'm not sure what happened to Dr. Delco. >> It is my understanding that Dr. Delco sold all of his stuff to someone in Ohio. I have also heard that he does not answer calls/etc., any more. Not sure what is going on there. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 2 08:39:27 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:39:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi... Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading his 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show here in southern California. I thought you might be interested in the system he has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on skids. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 2 08:56:08 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:56:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <1f1.4d31e4d0.3161238b@aol.com> Message-ID: <007101c6566d$f6c90130$240110ac@PAUL2> Great Tom, sure did not want to see you in any trouble. On the bright side you have a great Light Plant with a lot of history, a rare find, congratulations. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Delco help > Living on my wife's family farm of 375 acres gives me plenty of hiding > spaces > so I am good for a while. Also boxer dog keeps undesirables at bay too. > But, things happen so will keep your offer in mind! > > Thanks, > > Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 09:51:04 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:51:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <24f.9213659.31615af8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2006 12:10:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << On the bright side you have a great Light Plant with a lot of history, a rare find, >> Paul, I just found out more history. Millie told her uncle about me getting it today and he told her that the hardware ordered one and it was too small for the mansion. So, they ordered this big one. The smaller one was then sold to Millie's grandfather who installed it in his own home. Great to know the history of the old engines! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 2 10:05:31 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:05:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> Larry, Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out that set up, Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy (I fit in the latter category). Just curious, do you (or Rob if you're listening) know what the HP is on the GSM? It looks considerably bigger than my 6 but not as big as the 15. I'm guessing its about an 8 or 10. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Larry Evans wrote: > Hi... > > Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading > his 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show > here in southern California. I thought you might be interested in the > system he has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on > skids. Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 2 10:41:45 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:41:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Delco help References: <24f.9213659.31615af8@aol.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c6567c$b67ce650$240110ac@PAUL2> Tom any chance of you getting the one that Mille's grandfather had? This would be a real bonanza. Paul > Paul, > > I just found out more history. Millie told her uncle about me getting it > today and he told her that the hardware ordered one and it was too small > for the > mansion. So, they ordered this big one. The smaller one was then sold to > Millie's grandfather who installed it in his own home. Great to know the > history > of the old engines! > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 2 12:29:37 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:29:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <020801c6568b$c9066440$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out > that set up, Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy > (I fit in the latter category). Hi Tommy, It would probably be a toss up as to who is the worst. Luckily we both have good looks and charm to offset the laziness. That setup is the simplest I could come up with while maintaining an "on the ground" look. We still have a couple hunks of iron where we use rollers. It's not all that difficult to use rollers, but it's inconvenient if you're working by yourself. The wheel setup that Larry photographed is easy for one person to operate. The Goold is an eight-ball, built in 1908. Craig P. did a spray/turn/ring job on the piston last year, and she's now as sweet as you'd want an engine to be. Is your 15 a sideshaft? Somehow I got the impression that you have a SS GS&M. I've never been able to eyeball one of those in person. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 2 12:58:19 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:58:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <020801c6568b$c9066440$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <020801c6568b$c9066440$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <44302CDB.3050307@scrtc.com> No, my 15 is just like yours except its a portable on trucks (won't have to load it like you do yours). I've got a 3 HP tank cooled that looks like yours and the 6 does as well. I have a GSM Sideshaft but its a 22 HP, 2 cylinder opposed. Never had it going as it needs some TLC. Its in my "one of these days" side of the shed. I don't know if I have a photo of it or not but will look and see and if so, I'll send it to you. Its the only hopper cooled of the lot. If you look on page 212 of Wendel's BYB, you'll see the 2 cylinder opposed. The one in his photo is tank cooled however. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Rob Skinner wrote: >>Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out >>that set up, Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy >>(I fit in the latter category). >> >> > >Hi Tommy, >It would probably be a toss up as to who is the worst. >Luckily we both have good looks and charm to offset the >laziness. That setup is the simplest I could come up with >while maintaining an "on the ground" look. We still have a >couple hunks of iron where we use rollers. It's not all >that difficult to use rollers, but it's inconvenient if >you're working by yourself. The wheel setup that Larry >photographed is easy for one person to operate. > >The Goold is an eight-ball, built in 1908. Craig P. did a >spray/turn/ring job on the piston last year, and she's now >as sweet as you'd want an engine to be. > >Is your 15 a sideshaft? Somehow I got the impression that >you have a SS GS&M. I've never been able to eyeball one of >those in person. > >Rob > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 2 13:00:25 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <4430045B.8040203@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402125704.053d0ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 10:05 AM 4/2/2006, you wrote: >Larry, > Neat photos and a neat set up to unload. To figure out that set up, > Rob is either pretty sharp or pretty lazy (I fit in the latter > category). Just curious, do you (or Rob if you're listening) know what > the HP is on the GSM? It looks considerably bigger than my 6 but not as > big as the 15. I'm guessing its about an 8 or 10. Thanks. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Tommy, It is 8 HP. and I am pretty sure Rob might fit in both categories which makes for great efficiency in many endeavors. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 2 15:08:50 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Brad Soward Message-ID: <005901c656a2$09776c70$1efe8790@ogborneuah38i3> Brad .........could you please get in touch with me. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 2 15:13:36 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:13:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007501c656a2$b38de770$1efe8790@ogborneuah38i3> Larry and Rob ...that set up looks so safe and relatively easy ,some times I can't look when I see large engines unloaded and the reverse! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading > Hi... > > Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading his > 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show here in > southern California. I thought you might be interested in the system he > has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on skids. Take > a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 2 15:16:48 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:16:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hacksaw blades Message-ID: <007c01c656a3$26169530$1efe8790@ogborneuah38i3> Hand Hacksaw blades are an expensive consumable now days . I still, when available use Eclipse [probably made in China]. The question arises.........after use should the frame tension be eased off or doesn't it matter? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 2 16:55:14 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:55:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Delco help Message-ID: <344.14a2092.3161be62@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2006 2:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << any chance of you getting the one that Mille's grandfather had >> Paul, Long gone as is the one on her farm too. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From yostsw at atis.net Sun Apr 2 18:43:09 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WV engines References: <20060311135437.85183.qmail@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> <200604022133110265.0FA50556@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> Hey folks Just a quick update. Steve Sewell, his son John, the two sellers and I spent the day in the WV hills checking up on the three engines. Steve will be operating the equipment and will be hauling Brice's engine for him so he wanted to the lay of the land and scope the situation out for the extraction at the end of the month. While a day spent in the WV mountains is always a good day, things didn't go too well. It started with me getting my truck stuck and then got progressively worse from there. Apparently a scrap cutter made off with my engine! The owners of the engine, Vertis and Bob, lost a bed plate, flywheel and crankshaft too. To make matters worse, loggers cut down trees around Luke's engine and piled the slash in front of it. This slash pile and fallen trees will require renting the excavator with a "thumb" or a bulldozer instead. The only good news was that Brice's engine is still there , unmolested and in good shape and now there is a road to it. Unfortunately, this project beginning to look like a non-starter. I certainly am abandoning the deal since my engine is gone, but I will still provide project management and coordination if Brice and Luke want to move forward. Brice is disinclined but I haven't spoken with Luke yet. I have to speak with Luke off-line and then all three can arrive at a decision. I'll keep everyone informed. You win some and lose some, Spencer From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 2 19:17:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:17:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WV engines In-Reply-To: <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <20060311135437.85183.qmail@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> <200604022133110265.0FA50556@heavyiron.atis.net> <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402221722.0ddc1270@mail.alltel.net> Hi Spencer, There is a BIG difference between "engine sellers" and engine collectors! the former will screw you and the latter will try to help you. The right engine for you will show up--we just have to keep looking! Dave At 09:43 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote: >Hey folks > >Just a quick update. Steve Sewell, his son John, the two sellers and I >spent the day in the WV hills checking up on the three engines. Steve will >be operating the equipment and will be hauling Brice's engine for him so he >wanted to the lay of the land and scope the situation out for the >extraction at the end of the month. > >While a day spent in the WV mountains is always a good day, things didn't >go too well. It started with me getting my truck stuck and then got >progressively worse from there. Apparently a scrap cutter made off with >my engine! The owners of the engine, Vertis and Bob, lost a bed plate, >flywheel and crankshaft too. To make matters worse, loggers cut down trees >around Luke's engine and piled the slash in front of it. This slash pile >and fallen trees will require renting the excavator with a "thumb" or a >bulldozer instead. The only good news was that Brice's engine is still >there , unmolested and in good shape and now there is a road to it. > >Unfortunately, this project beginning to look like a non-starter. I >certainly am abandoning the deal since my engine is gone, but I will still >provide project management and coordination if Brice and Luke want to move >forward. Brice is disinclined but I haven't spoken with Luke yet. I have >to speak with Luke off-line and then all three can arrive at a decision. >I'll keep everyone informed. > >You win some and lose some, > >Spencer > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun Apr 2 19:38:19 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:38:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> Thats not a large engine. Here is how you unlaod a LARGE engine!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/168877481/1168891795033749120IPSsBL Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading > Hi... > > Last weekend I took some pictures of my friend Rob Skinner unloading his > 2,750 pound Goold, Shapley & Muir engine at a small engine show here in > southern California. I thought you might be interested in the system he > has devised to easily handle such a large engine which is on skids. Take > a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/unload/ > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 2 20:22:46 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:22:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402232131.0dcc7200@mail.alltel.net> Yes, but the one to which Larry referred runs! Dave >Thats not a large engine. Here is how you unlaod a LARGE engine!!! >http://community.webshots.com/photo/168877481/1168891795033749120IPSsBL >Rick From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 2 20:56:48 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:56:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <44302CDB.3050307@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >I have a GSM Sideshaft but its a 22 HP, 2 cylinder opposed. > Never had it going as it needs some TLC. Aha. It's that ol' lazy gene kicking in again. Y'know, for their car collection, the Imperial Palace uses prisoners. The Imperial gets cheap labor, the prisoners learn an exquisitely rare and valuable trade. Win - win. Jest an idea, Captain. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 2 21:24:54 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:24:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <4430A396.1010403@scrtc.com> Rob, I've got a couple hundred of 'em in the building (jail) located about 100 yards in back of my office..... Engine restoration is certain an occupation that could rehabilitate..... Looks like I might be getting more of this junk going than I first thought! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Y'know, for their car collection, the Imperial Palace uses >prisoners. The Imperial gets cheap labor, the prisoners >learn an exquisitely rare and valuable trade. Win - win. >Jest an idea, Captain. > >Rob > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sun Apr 2 22:33:12 2006 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:33:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] WV engines In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402221722.0ddc1270@mail.alltel.net> References: <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> <20060311135437.85183.qmail@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> <200604022133110265.0FA50556@heavyiron.atis.net> <200604022143090390.0FAE25C3@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060403010837.00ba4d50@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 10:17 PM 4/2/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Spencer, > There is a BIG difference between "engine sellers" and engine > collectors! the former will screw you and the latter will try to help > you. The right engine for you will show up--we just have to keep looking! > Dave After spending the day with Vertis and Bob I think they are somewhere in between. The engine and bed plate were close to the logging road and 'easy pickings'. Logging had started in this area in the last few weeks and by the tracks down to Spencers engine I believe it had been taken in that time frame. Scraper for sure. The engine had been unbolted and a winch cable hooked to the far side flywheel and pulled over onto a flatbed - breaking the concrete base and bending the studs in the concrete. Note to Spencer, never try to make a road where you think one should be. (-; I've got some good pictures for Portland on this adventure. (-; And, yes there are a lot more engines in them hills. Just got to keep looking. - Steve Who spent a good day in the hills with his son and a good friend. Doesn't get much better than that. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Apr 2 23:57:27 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:57:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading References: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <4430A396.1010403@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <019501c656eb$e0add5f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes but, when they get out, they will know the value of it and it wont be in your shed very long!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading > Rob, > I've got a couple hundred of 'em in the building (jail) located about > 100 yards in back of my office..... Engine restoration is certain an > occupation that could rehabilitate..... Looks like I might be getting more > of this junk going than I first thought! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>Y'know, for their car collection, the Imperial Palace uses >>prisoners. The Imperial gets cheap labor, the prisoners >>learn an exquisitely rare and valuable trade. Win - win. >>Jest an idea, Captain. >>Rob >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Apr 3 01:24:29 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:24:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060403095428.00a8f348@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, My dog knocked a trestle over and the freshly primed Ronnie N barrel fell onto the concrete floor and snapped one of the cylinder head bolts off. Not a major problem as I was planning on replacing another one that was badly rusted so now I may as well replace them all. I am not an engineer and not very clued up on all the bolt sizes and threads but the manual says 7/16 Whitworth. South Africa went Metric more than 30 years ago so Imperial sizes are becoming a bit hard to find. I phoned 3 of our local specialist bolt suppliers (one a manufacturer) asking for 7/16 Whitworth and nobody could help. I then called a manufacturer in Johannesburg (about 40 miles away) with the same question. They said "No, but could give me UNC" I asked what the difference was and they said "None" (apart from on 1/2" which has a different number of threads). I then called the locals back and they all said that UNC was no problem and asked why they did not tell me that in the first place. The one answered that I had "asked for Whitworth not UNC". My point is that these people need some education - surely in a case like this they should have pointed out that I could use 7/16 UNC instead of Whitworth and made a sale. Just not interested - unfortunately many business are going this way in S.A. today. I know these Lists have a number of members who are "clued up" on bolt sizes - any comments welcome. Am I O.K. to use UNC for the Ronnie N cylinder head? From my amateur position I think the Metric system is great because of the standardization. It seems that in the "old days" every country had it's own standards and some even had quite a few different standards - it must have been hell! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 03:09:12 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 03:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060403095428.00a8f348@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20060403100912.89097.qmail@web35406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Jerry Your second supplier is not correct on say "None". as far as TPI goes he is correct that 1/2" is different 12 verses 13 but UNC has 60 Deg pitch compared to 55 for whit, compared to design one mix will be loose and the other mix will be tight. In your case you may find the (cylinder head bolts) stud, if I remember correct breaks into the water jacket (could be wrong) but the point is with a mix of threads in some cases you may not get a seal and you may have to use a sealant like Locktight Even though OZ went metric 40 years ago the idiots have allowed UNC to become the standard bolt size inplace of Whit, most of Aussies mix without knowing the difference, If the thread was part of a safety device for loading then different threads should not be mixed. As far as the other suppliers are concerned if the person answering was under 30 when SA changed he may have never heard of Whit as you did ask for a specific type. Over here if I asked for something and was supplied with something that was the said to be the same and it was not and there was a accident they would be liable. If you rang and wanted a ford vehicle do you what them to tell you what sort of chevs they have - crap point but. Kerry Morris Lithgow N.S.W OZ WEB: www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/ skype ID: ozengine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 3 07:44:30 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:44:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060402232131.0dcc7200@mail.alltel.net> References: <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> <6.0.1.1.2.20060402082901.02ddaec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <00b301c656c7$ab6d3760$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060403064254.01b79620@mail.pennswoods.net> Holy pupe i have read a lot about the Tod engine but never knew it was that BIG. HUGE ONE R Fink PA At 11:22 PM 4/2/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, but the one to which Larry referred runs! > Dave >>Thats not a large engine. Here is how you unlaod a LARGE engine!!! >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/168877481/1168891795033749120IPSsBL >>Rick > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 06:09:32 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:09:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Large engine loading/unloading In-Reply-To: <019501c656eb$e0add5f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <022901c656d2$a3bbc2b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <4430A396.1010403@scrtc.com> <019501c656eb$e0add5f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <44311E8C.2090009@scrtc.com> Dern it Reg, always a down side. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Yes but, when they get out, they will know the value of it and it wont > be in your shed very long!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Apr 3 06:48:23 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:48:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Diesel Owners Drive Vegetarian Message-ID: <29a.89064dd.316281a7@aol.com> Hi List, This may be of interest to those members who have diesels. Greasecar vegetable Fuel Systems allow mechanically injected diesel vehicles to run on straight, filtered vegetable oil. Vegetable oil as fuel is a cleaner, safer and less expensive alternative to petroleum based fuel. 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From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 3 08:06:13 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:06:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. Message-ID: <20060403.111506.964.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jerry, I guess it's a case of "accountability"(for the lack of a better word). If you ask for one thing and they don't have it - - - That's it. If a guy suggests something that is the "same" and it isn't, and it causes you to damage something, It's HIS fault. The customer will come back at HIM. It's sad, But I guess it's just the way society is today. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jenkins.frames at juno.com Mon Apr 3 09:30:24 2006 From: jenkins.frames at juno.com (jenkins.frames at juno.com) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:30:24 GMT Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. Message-ID: <20060403.093053.14128.829464@webmail26.lax.untd.com> Whitworth is not the same as UNC or anything else , Whitworth has different thread profiles or angles. Try someplace that services British older motorcycles and automobiles. If my memory serves the thread profile for Whitworth was 55 degrees not 60. Good luck Arthur -- Jerry Evans wrote: Hi All, My dog knocked a trestle over and the freshly primed Ronnie N barrel fell onto the concrete floor and snapped one of the cylinder head bolts off. Not a major problem as I was planning on replacing another one that was badly rusted so now I may as well replace them all. I am not an engineer and not very clued up on all the bolt sizes and threads but the manual says 7/16 Whitworth. South Africa went Metric more than 30 years ago so Imperial sizes are becoming a bit hard to find. I phoned 3 of our local specialist bolt suppliers (one a manufacturer) asking for 7/16 Whitworth and nobody could help. I then called a manufacturer in Johannesburg (about 40 miles away) with the same question. They said "No, but could give me UNC" I asked what the difference was and they said "None" (apart from on 1/2" which has a different number of threads). I then called the locals back and they all said that UNC was no problem and asked why they did not tell me that in the first place. The one answered that I had "asked for Whitworth not UNC". My point is that these people need some education - surely in a case like this they should have pointed out that I could use 7/16 UNC instead of Whitworth and made a sale. Just not interested - unfortunately many business are going this way in S.A. today. I know these Lists have a number of members who are "clued up" on bolt sizes - any comments welcome. Am I O.K. to use UNC for the Ronnie N cylinder head? From my amateur position I think the Metric system is great because of the standardization. It seems that in the "old days" every country had it's own standards and some even had quite a few different standards - it must have been hell! Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 3 10:23:27 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:23:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? Message-ID: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Guys, The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. For now I intend to just leave this engine "as is" in its work clothes, which is 85% brown rust colored, no rust scale. The rest is a hard black material that I guess was a filler to slick the castings when it was built. You can strike it with a putty knife and it breaks up, so I am guessing filler instead of years old accumulations of oil/dirt.....dunno. I am planning on the boiled linseed oil treatment. However, there are some areas that are still darned grimy. I've scraped off a lot of this crud, but would like to clean it even more before starting on the linseed oil treatment. The area under the cylinder and in the valley under the conn rod are especially nasty. The other complication is the built in cast fuel tank. From what I can tell inside it looks fairly rusty. So I am looking for cleaning methods for both the outside and the inside. What about those large vats for cleaning engine blocks? Do they remove the crud only, leaving the desirable rust patina? Or how about putting a large round wire brush on a side grinder? Seems like someone mentioned oven cleaner (Tommy?) for getting rid of stubborn crud on the outside. This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy maneuvering around. Here is a picture of just the base. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 11:03:02 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:03:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> Howdy all, I'm working on a 4 hp horizontal, screen cooled IIHC Famous so I have quick question here for you folks with such a beast or one of its big sisters. How did IHC or you mount the cooling screen to the stand? If you have some pictures of that arrangement I would appreciate taking a look at them. Thanks, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Apr 3 11:07:31 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:07:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200604031807.k33I7hkr008740@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:23 AM To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org) Subject: Best method for cleaning engine crud? Guys, The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. Snip However, there are some areas that are still darned grimy. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: ~~~~~~~~ I've used GoJo waterless hand cleaner. On the linked page you can see before and after pictures of a Jaeger that I cleaned with it: http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/pic_Prj3.htm I used the type of cleaner that did not contain pumice. Compared to solvents--even detergent and water--GoJo seems to be kinder to whatever paint that remains. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 11:59:22 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> Curt, Hey, a little grease and grim gives it the "original" look. Seriously, I use oven cleaner quite a bit with good results. Its cheap as well. I wouldn't recommend the dip tank as it will remove everything (at least the chemicals that I have had used on some stuff of mine). Those nice "pores" in the cast iron that now have some grease, paint, etc that give it the original look will be cleaned out and it will look like a new piece of cast with the dip tank. I don't think thats the look you want. I'd suggest the oven cleaner and a stiff brush to rub on the extra heavy stuff. Watch the oven cleaner though as it will burn ya if it gets on your skin. Especially make sure none of it splashes in the eyes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Guys, > The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. For now I intend > to just leave this engine "as is" in its work clothes, which is 85% > brown rust colored, no rust scale. The rest is a hard black material > that I guess was a filler to slick the castings when it was built. You > can strike it with a putty knife and it breaks up, so I am guessing > filler instead of years old accumulations of oil/dirt.....dunno. > I am planning on the boiled linseed oil treatment. However, there are > some areas that are still darned grimy. I've scraped off a lot of > this crud, but would like to clean it even more before starting on the > linseed oil treatment. The area under the cylinder and in the valley > under the conn rod are especially nasty. > The other complication is the built in cast fuel tank. From what I can > tell inside it looks fairly rusty. > So I am looking for cleaning methods for both the outside and the inside. > What about those large vats for cleaning engine blocks? Do they remove > the crud only, leaving the desirable rust patina? > Or how about putting a large round wire brush on a side grinder? > Seems like someone mentioned oven cleaner (Tommy?) for getting rid of > stubborn crud on the outside. > This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy > maneuvering around. > Here is a picture of just the base. > > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 12:03:37 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:03:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> Message-ID: <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> Mike, I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the tank, not the tank to the frame of the trucks. I've got a real nice original tank that I can take some photos of if no one has them readily available. If I remember correctly, its attached with a strip of metal that is somewhat V shapped. It has about 4 screws in it and when they're tightened, it pulls the screen tight. I might be wrong on this and be thinking about another cooling tank. If you don't get a photo or info from someone, let me know and I 'll go out to the barn and snap you some photos. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Howdy all, > > I'm working on a 4 hp horizontal, screen cooled IIHC Famous so I have > quick question here for you folks with such a beast or one of its big > sisters. How did IHC or you mount the cooling screen to the stand? > If you have some pictures of that arrangement I would appreciate > taking a look at them. > > Thanks, > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Apr 3 12:55:53 2006 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:55:53 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Bob Bolhuis In-Reply-To: <200604031600.k33G058e002647@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20060303155532.00813390@pop3.wcoil.com> It is with a heavy heart and regrets I am passing on the sad news of the passing of a Engine Mans Father. Border_Bob Canada Bob Bolhuis lost his father yesterday. It was not unexpected but as we all know too well that this does little to soften the blow. I wish to express in type what I find hard to say but I do feel it keenly, Bob you are my friend and as our friends the Aussies say, my engine Mate. I greave with you. My sincerest best wishes and thoughts for you at this time. Mark "Bob & Sheila Bolhuis" From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 13:19:31 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> > I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the > tank, not the tank to the frame of the trucks. Tommy, Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking about how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is then bolted to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a metal 4 legged critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank sits on/in. I'm wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). Thanks for the help, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 3 13:44:13 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:44:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> Curt, Steve and I swear by the oven cleaner method also. If you want it to look old, a little grease and grime is natural. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? > Curt, > Hey, a little grease and grim gives it the "original" look. Seriously, > I use oven cleaner quite a bit with good results. Its cheap as well. I > wouldn't recommend the dip tank as it will remove everything (at least the > chemicals that I have had used on some stuff of mine). Those nice "pores" > in the cast iron that now have some grease, paint, etc that give it the > original look will be cleaned out and it will look like a new piece of > cast with the dip tank. I don't think thats the look you want. I'd > suggest the oven cleaner and a stiff brush to rub on the extra heavy > stuff. Watch the oven cleaner though as it will burn ya if it gets on > your skin. Especially make sure none of it splashes in the eyes. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > >> Guys, >> The 5HP Alamo is all stripped down to just its' base. For now I intend to >> just leave this engine "as is" in its work clothes, which is 85% brown >> rust colored, no rust scale. The rest is a hard black material that I >> guess was a filler to slick the castings when it was built. You can >> strike it with a putty knife and it breaks up, so I am guessing filler >> instead of years old accumulations of oil/dirt.....dunno. >> I am planning on the boiled linseed oil treatment. However, there are >> some areas that are still darned grimy. I've scraped off a lot of this >> crud, but would like to clean it even more before starting on the linseed >> oil treatment. The area under the cylinder and in the valley under the >> conn rod are especially nasty. >> The other complication is the built in cast fuel tank. From what I can >> tell inside it looks fairly rusty. >> So I am looking for cleaning methods for both the outside and the inside. >> What about those large vats for cleaning engine blocks? Do they remove >> the crud only, leaving the desirable rust patina? >> Or how about putting a large round wire brush on a side grinder? >> Seems like someone mentioned oven cleaner (Tommy?) for getting rid of >> stubborn crud on the outside. >> This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy >> maneuvering around. >> Here is a picture of just the base. >> >> Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 3 13:49:35 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:49:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> Message-ID: <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> Michael, Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the mounting bracket on it. I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > >> I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the >> tank, not the tank to the frame of the trucks. > > > Tommy, > > Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking > about how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is > then bolted to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a > metal 4 legged critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank > sits on/in. I'm wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. > > Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 3 14:40:43 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:40:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. References: <20060403.093053.14128.829464@webmail26.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <001301c65767$43730fe0$c985dccb@oemcomputer> I have been mixing and matching Whit and UC in my hobbies and in my work as a tool maker and fitter machinist for 40 years and have never ever had a problem.the profiles are so similar that unless you are working on a absolute precision item it wont make any difference and our engines are definitely not what you would call that.When screw cutting in the lath I have several insert type cutting tools and they are all UNC 60 deg and I use them for all thread types and have never had a problem for my own and outside work.Try putting a thread gauge on and see if you can tell the difference with the naked eye.You only can on large sizes. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:30 Subject: Re: [SEL] Funny thing happened on the way to the bolt shop. > > Whitworth is not the same as UNC or anything else , Whitworth has different thread profiles or angles. Try someplace that services British older motorcycles and automobiles. > If my memory serves the thread profile for Whitworth was 55 degrees not 60. > > From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 14:39:31 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:39:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> > Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the > large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the > boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My > cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the > mounting bracket on it. >I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have >one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the >bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. Tommy, That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. Thanks, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Apr 3 15:03:33 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:03:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96@chartertn.net> Oven cleaner works, but it can markedly change the color of remaining paint and will strip it right off if it's not too sound. Castrol Super Clean or its clone Purple Power aren't quite as harsh, but work well on greasy grime. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 3 14:07:03 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:07:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060403170431.0de11dd0@mail.alltel.net> >Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking about >how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is then bolted >to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a metal 4 legged >critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank sits on/in. I'm >wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. >Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). >Thanks for the help, >Mike Hi Mike, On my 15 HP IHC the tank just sits in the angle iron of the metal stand. Ain't nothing holding it to the stand! See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/20HPFamous/ (It's a 15HP--I keep forgetting to have the "20" changed. Dave From yostsw at atis.net Mon Apr 3 16:45:44 2006 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:45:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96@chartertn.net> References: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> <4431708A.6080303@scrtc.com> <000f01c6575f$5e047d60$d16e8645@mikecomp> <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200604031945440656.14690345@heavyiron.atis.net> In a big tub mix one 12 oz can of pure Red Devil lye (getting hard to find with the crystal meth epidemic) mixed with 4 gallons of warm water. This will strip anything that can be striped and is the safest way to remove these old lead based paints. Make sure the base metal is ferrous as it eats aluminum, some brasses and bronzes etc. Red Devil lye is Sodium Hydroxide. Potassium hydroxide works too and can be obtained through tanning supply places. You must mix about 20%-40% more of it to achieve the same level of effectiveness though. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/2006 at 6:03 PM John Culp wrote: >Oven cleaner works, but it can markedly change the color of remaining >paint and will strip it right off if it's not too sound. > >Castrol Super Clean or its clone Purple Power aren't quite as harsh, >but work well on greasy grime. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Apr 3 16:54:12 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:54:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 1 3/4 HP. Mogul Message-ID: <20060403235416.15735627818@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Are there any IHC experts on the list? I purchased a piece of yard art, ser# Y2793 [1915].They were made both igniter fired and spark plug versions. I haven't taken possession of it to see if it has any igniter trip mechanism left on it or not so my question is, when did IHC change from the igniter to spark plug? It needs a lot of parts and I am trying to keep it as original as possible .Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.USA, 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 3 18:07:20 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:07:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 1 3/4 HP. Mogul References: <20060403235416.15735627818@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000901c65784$20cf6480$f884dccb@oemcomputer> Mogul engines 1HP through 2.5HP were available both high and low tension as required ex factory.See this in the operators manual available from Starbolt engine supplies. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:54 Subject: [SEL] 1 3/4 HP. Mogul > Are there any IHC experts on the list? I purchased a piece of yard art, ser# > Y2793 [1915].They were made both igniter fired and spark plug versions. I > haven't taken possession of it to see if it has any igniter trip mechanism > left on it or not so my question is, when did IHC change from the igniter to > spark plug? It needs a lot of parts and I am trying to keep it as original > as possible .Thanks for any help. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.USA, 415 892 > 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 3 18:53:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:53:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <44315A0F.5060102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be easy > maneuvering around. > Here is a picture of just the base. > P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. Here he is: > Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? Rob From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 3 20:39:55 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:39:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? References: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> A man that would state the wonders of Simple Green against the power of oven cleaner or gasoline, well that's just sad! Why Steve and I used to gargle with gasoline and spray oven cleaner on each other and look, no harm whatsoever!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; "'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? >> This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be > easy >> maneuvering around. >> Here is a picture of just the base. >> > Base.JPG > > > Hi Curt, > That base has a really nice shape. I'm reluctant to go > against the combined wisdom of Tommy and the Cloistered > Oysters (sounds like a 60's folk band). But, Kelley's deep > fryer used to be painted really pretty until I cleaned it > with oven cleaner. Now it's bare metal. Another time, > aerosol engine cleaner turned a red engine pink. > > The best grease cutter in my opinion is gasoline. Nowadays > I'm more concerned about blowing up so I use a lot of Simple > Green Crystal. It cleans without leaving an oily residue, > it's environmentally sound, and you can get it all over > yourself without causing brain damage or peeling off your > skin. We get it at work in 55 gallon drums and use it for > nearly everything. > >> P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. > Here he is: >> > 044.jpg> > > Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blufire at runbox.com Mon Apr 3 23:59:30 2006 From: blufire at runbox.com (blufire) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:29:30 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine Message-ID: <005701c657b5$5bff1a60$631aadcb@yourvrozpt3zvx> Hi everyone. Still here but been quiet. I went to the local scrapyard Friday and on the mound was a marine engine. Had a bit of a look and kicked it on it's side and saw the last part of it's name which was "man". Thought it was a Chapman engine and all the one's I've seen need to be bolted to 1/2 a ton of concrete to stop them jumping all over the place so walked away to look at a Fordson tractor back end. On the way back I thought if it turned over I would save it and hand it on to someone else. It did and then I saw the name KNAPMAN cast into the cylinder. So $18 later it was on the Dodge. At home had a look in the water jacket and saw new cast iron, looked up the exhaust port and saw hone marks, unscrewed the remains of the sparkplug and looked on top of the piston and saw new cast iron. Turns out the engine has never been run!. Aren't people wasteful?. Pictures at Webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys Couldn't find the manifold but looking at the rust on the studs and mating face don't reckon it ever had one. Anyone have any info on this engine?. Thanks Mark Pavy Queenstown South Australia From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 4 05:16:50 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:16:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> Message-ID: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Mike, Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Michael Tucker wrote: > >> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the >> large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the >> boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My >> cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the >> mounting bracket on it. >> I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have >> one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the >> bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. > > > Tommy, > > That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe > bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a > picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. > > Thanks, > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:18:37 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:18:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike I've got a picture of mine I'll send you when I get home tonight. steve >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount >Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:49:35 -0400 > >Michael, > Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the large >pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the boards that cross >the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My cooling tank isn't on the >engine but I'm pretty sure it has the mounting bracket on it. I'll be glad >to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have one available to send >you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the bracket is gone, its fairly >easy to make. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > >> >>> I assume your talking about the mounting of the screen to the tank, >>>not the tank to the frame of the trucks. >> >> >>Tommy, >> >>Sorry for the bad description of what I'm looking for. I'm talking about >>how the whole cooling tank mounts to the metal stand that is then bolted >>to the cart. With the one that I have the stand is a metal 4 legged >>critter with an angle iron tray/frame that the tank sits on/in. I'm >>wondering how the tank is mounted to that tray. >> >>Hopefully that's a little clearer :-). >> >>Thanks for the help, >>Mike >> >> >>_____________________ >>Mike Tucker >>Midway, Kentucky USA >>_____________________ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:25:46 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: I think the best method is soaking ina 50/50 mix of kerosene and detergent motor oil, It's slow but it won't change the paint color and it will soften the caked on grease. Repeat application as necessary and brush softly with an old paintbrush. Steve the cloistered oyster. >From: "Rob Skinner" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" , > "'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? Date: Mon, 3 Apr >2006 18:53:46 -0700 > > > This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be >easy > > maneuvering around. > > Here is a picture of just the base. > > >Base.JPG > > >Hi Curt, >That base has a really nice shape. I'm reluctant to go >against the combined wisdom of Tommy and the Cloistered >Oysters (sounds like a 60's folk band). But, Kelley's deep >fryer used to be painted really pretty until I cleaned it >with oven cleaner. Now it's bare metal. Another time, >aerosol engine cleaner turned a red engine pink. > >The best grease cutter in my opinion is gasoline. Nowadays >I'm more concerned about blowing up so I use a lot of Simple >Green Crystal. It cleans without leaving an oily residue, >it's environmentally sound, and you can get it all over >yourself without causing brain damage or peeling off your >skin. We get it at work in 55 gallon drums and use it for >nearly everything. > > > P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. >Here he is: > > >044.jpg> > >Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? > >Rob > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:27:09 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:27:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: AND the brain damage is MINIMAL! >From: "Mike Royster" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" , > "'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:39:55 -0400 > >A man that would state the wonders of Simple Green against the power of >oven cleaner or gasoline, well that's just sad! Why Steve and I used to >gargle with gasoline and spray oven cleaner on each other and look, no harm >whatsoever!!!! > >MR >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; >"'SEL (Oldengine.org)'" >Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:53 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? > > >>>This base is roughly 4' in length and HEAVY so it won't be >>easy >>>maneuvering around. >>>Here is a picture of just the base. >>> >>>Base.JPG >> >> >>Hi Curt, >>That base has a really nice shape. I'm reluctant to go >>against the combined wisdom of Tommy and the Cloistered >>Oysters (sounds like a 60's folk band). But, Kelley's deep >>fryer used to be painted really pretty until I cleaned it >>with oven cleaner. Now it's bare metal. Another time, >>aerosol engine cleaner turned a red engine pink. >> >>The best grease cutter in my opinion is gasoline. Nowadays >>I'm more concerned about blowing up so I use a lot of Simple >>Green Crystal. It cleans without leaving an oily residue, >>it's environmentally sound, and you can get it all over >>yourself without causing brain damage or peeling off your >>skin. We get it at work in 55 gallon drums and use it for >>nearly everything. >> >>>P.S. Devin had a blast melting the babbitt out on Sunday. >>Here he is: >>> >>>044.jpg> >> >>Are those Maui Jim cutting glasses you're wearing? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 08:29:55 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:29:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Mine has wood between the frame and the screen cooler and it appears to be original. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list , >"SEL (Oldengine.org)" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount >Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:16:50 -0400 > >Mike, >Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to mount >the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had a frame >of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a square frame. >This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage bolts. As I recall >there are tabs on the front and back of the frame that the rods pass thru >coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen cooler. There was no wood >left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell you if there were thin wood >board between the cart rails and this square frame, or if the square frame >was mounted directly on the channels. Perhaps someone can add that piece of >information. >The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for >different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I >reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount >was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few pictures >of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. > >BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP >engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an >equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested. > >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > >Michael Tucker wrote: > >> >>> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the large >>>pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the boards that >>>cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My cooling tank isn't >>>on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the mounting bracket on it. >>>I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have one >>>available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the bracket is >>>gone, its fairly easy to make. >> >> >>Tommy, >> >>That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe >>bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a >>picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. >> >>Thanks, >>Mike >> >>_____________________ >>Mike Tucker >>Midway, Kentucky USA >>_____________________ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 4 09:57:42 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, That's all useful as far as it goes, but unless you also have the details on which side of the square nuts was uppermost on those carriage bolts, poor ol' Mike is doomed. I sure do hope you kept notes... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to > mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had > a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a > square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage > bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame > that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen > cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell > you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square > frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. > Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. > The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for > different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I > reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount > was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few > pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. From skipl130 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 11:29:17 2006 From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount In-Reply-To: <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060404182917.19574.qmail@web35313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> curt, what is the status of the castings? skip Curt wrote: Mike, Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Michael Tucker wrote: > >> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the >> large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the >> boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My >> cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the >> mounting bracket on it. >> I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have >> one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the >> bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make. > > > Tommy, > > That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe > bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a > picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me. > > Thanks, > Mike > > _____________________ > Mike Tucker > Midway, Kentucky USA > _____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-1207001577-1144175357=:19315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit curt, what is the status of the castings?  skip

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
Mike,
Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to
mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had
a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a
square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage
bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame
that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen
cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell
you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square
frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels.
Perhaps someone can add that piece of information.
The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for
different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I
reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount
was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few
pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts.

BTW I am still using a nice original 15 or 20 HP screen cooler on my 8HP
engine. I am still interested in trading my large screen cooler for an
equally nice original correct 8HP screen cooler if anyone is interested.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Michael Tucker wrote:

>
>> Its mounted via a rod that extends from the pipe bracket (the
>> large pipe on top that squirts water on the screen) down to the
>> boards that cross the channel frame which the tank mounts on. My
>> cooling tank isn't on the engine but I'm pretty sure it has the
>> mounting bracket on it.
>> I'll be glad to send you a photo if someone out there doesn't have
>> one available to send you. Its a pretty simple set up and if the
>> bracket is gone, its fairly easy to make.
>
>
> Tommy,
>
> That's exactly what I'm after! Does the rod come down from the pipe
> bracket in the front and back of the tank? If nobody else coughs up a
> picture, I'll ask you to snap some photos for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> _____________________
> Mike Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky USA
> _____________________
>
> _______________________________________________
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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:03:20 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:03:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2006 3:10:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, blufire at runbox.com writes: << Aren't people wasteful? >> Mark, Wouldn't you like to know where it has been all these years? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Apr 4 14:21:05 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> References: <02e001c6578a$9db66ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <38d37046896ee74142b011bfa384a50d@chartertn.net> > Why Steve and I used to gargle with gasoline That was leaded Supreme, wasn't it? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 4 17:11:00 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:11:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <000c01c65799$70eef880$d16e8645@mikecomp> Message-ID: <03a901c65845$6cf7e190$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Why Steve and I used to gargle > with gasoline and spray oven cleaner on > each other and look, no harm whatsoever!!!! And it would surely solve the halitosis and Phthirus infestation. Rob From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 4 11:10:41 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:10:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount References: <20060328000057.0A063627856@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <008c01c6538b$23e6ddd0$4fd34c0c@D48VHZ61> <442B36D2.1050809@earthlink.net> <005601c65441$57debb60$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> <442CA54F.7070104@wightman.ca> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403135601.0204c688@alltel.net> <44317189.6080706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403161222.02099c38@alltel.net> <44318A5F.6020301@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060403173329.02098ff8@alltel.net> <443263B2.9090506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002401c65813$15ad9c40$d16e8645@mikecomp> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous cooling screen mount > Hi Curt, > > That's all useful as far as it goes, but unless you also have the details > on which side of the square nuts was uppermost on those carriage bolts, > poor ol' Mike is doomed. I sure do hope you kept notes... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > >> Depending on the size tank you are using I may have the parts used to >> mount the screen cooler to the cart rails. The IHC cart I took apart had >> a frame of angle iron (about 1 1/4" to 1") sawn and formed to make a >> square frame. This frame was mounted to the engine cart via carriage >> bolts. As I recall there are tabs on the front and back of the frame >> that the rods pass thru coming down from the pipe brackets on the screen >> cooler. There was no wood left on my cart when I got it, so I can't tell >> you if there were thin wood board between the cart rails and this square >> frame, or if the square frame was mounted directly on the channels. >> Perhaps someone can add that piece of information. >> The cross irons on IHC saw carts allow different width spacing for >> different HP engines. The cart was originally set up as a 6HP but I >> reconfigured as a 8HP and therefore the original 6HP screen cooler mount >> was not appropriate for the engine. I will measure and take a few >> pictures of what I have if you are interested in these 6HP parts. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 5 01:23:22 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:23:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine......milk crate. References: <005701c657b5$5bff1a60$631aadcb@yourvrozpt3zvx> Message-ID: <000f01c6588a$5e1da4d0$94f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hey Mark ......that bloody milk crate ,where did you get that? Looks very much like a Chapman but I don't doubt your vision.BTW.........You should have sent your email on the 1st April! ----- Original Message ----- From: "blufire" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Knapman Marine Engine > Hi everyone. > > Still here but been quiet. > I went to the local scrapyard Friday and on the mound was a marine engine. > Had a bit of a look and kicked it on it's side and saw the last part of > it's name which was "man". Thought it was a Chapman engine and all the > one's I've seen need to be bolted to 1/2 a ton of concrete to stop them > jumping all over the place so walked away to look at a Fordson tractor > back end. On the way back I thought if it turned over I would save it and > hand it on to someone else. It did and then I saw the name KNAPMAN cast > into the cylinder. So $18 later it was on the Dodge. At home had a look in > the water jacket and saw new cast iron, looked up the exhaust port and saw > hone marks, unscrewed the remains of the sparkplug and looked on top of > the piston and saw new cast iron. > > Turns out the engine has never been run!. Aren't people wasteful?. > > Pictures at Webshots > http://community.webshots.com/user/pavys > > Couldn't find the manifold but looking at the rust on the studs and mating > face don't reckon it ever had one. > > Anyone have any info on this engine?. > > Thanks > > Mark Pavy > Queenstown South Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 05:49:14 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:49:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Best method for cleaning engine crud? In-Reply-To: <200604041600.k34G04wq004536@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Message: 13 >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:03:33 -0400 >From: John Culp >Subject: Re: [SEL] Best method for cleaning engine crud? >To: The SEL email discussion list >Cc: Old Engine >Message-ID: <092d244463c46e483739f0abe1b44b96 at chartertn.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >Oven cleaner works, but it can markedly change the color of remaining >paint and will strip it right off if it's not too sound. > >Castrol Super Clean or its clone Purple Power aren't quite as harsh, >but work well on greasy grime. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA By the pictures I would bet that you already have it cleaner than the factory did when they painted it the first time. You can probably give it the linseed oil treatment now. This is a good application for a steam Jenny as it simply uses hot water to melt the old grease away. If you don't have a steamer I also like the puple stuff that John talks about. The puple stuff is water based so it rinses with water ready to paint. Mineral spirits will work good for this job to because it is a very goo cleaning solvent and dries dry to the touch. I wouldn't put paint over a mineral spirit cleaned surface without further degreasing but it should be fine for linseed oil. See ya at the SIAM show June 9, 10, & 11 From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Apr 5 06:49:30 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:49:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Need estimate of weight of KB6 weight and auction Message-ID: <200604051349.k35DnXHM094089@mail-gw.fsr.net> An engine enthusiast experienced a decline in health and his things are being sold at auction on April 8th. The below post is related to the auction. Is there anyone out there who might have an educated guess about the truck in question? If so, please let me know. I'll say right up front that the fellow didn't have any restored engines. He has a very rusty IHC LA and an LB along with a basket case F-M Z of about 3 h.p. He worked for IHC and along the way accumulated IHC collector toys, still in their original boxes. If you are interested, I have pictures. Otherwise, the man has a lifetime of "stuff" typical of what a mechanic would accumulate. The auction will be near Lind, Washington. If you are interested, let me know and I'll provide directions. Even though the sale will be within easy driving distance for me, I won't be attending because we have an engine club meeting that day. That should give you a clue. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects.? So little time.?? ________________________________________ From: Karen Estes [mailto:kestes at gorge.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:02 AM To: Orrin Iseminger Subject: Orrin, ? I need your help, I need to find out what the scale weight is on a 1991 International KB6.? It's in the auction, but I don't know what Mike did with title/registration, etc.? The court house told me I needed an approximate weight.? I gave them the GVW, but that's not good enough.? Unfortunately I need it like yesterday.? I couldn't find out anything by myself on the internet, so I thought I'd contact an expert. ? Thanks, ? Karen From shop at cccomm.net Wed Apr 5 06:56:37 2006 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:56:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER References: Message-ID: <024201c658b8$c2259ef0$6501a8c0@Shop> Especially when you can get them all day for about $16.... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [SEL] NOVO WATER HOPPER COVER > $76 for a repro ?!?!? Sheesh! The mind boggles.... > > View this Item on eBay at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7603090176 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ANTIQUE NOVO HIT & MISS GAS ENGINE WATER HOPPER COVER > Item number: 7603090176 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Seller: smutz(1392) > Sold for: US $76.00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 13:22:06 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:22:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Need estimate of weight of KB6 weight and auctionSEL Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200604051600.k35G03C8031683@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: I would check with the bulletin board on the American Truck Historical Society site http://www.aths.org/ and I would ask over on the Old IHC page http://www.oldihc.org/index.php these sights deal with antique trucks and should be able to help. They will need to know what kind of bed the truck has because that will have a big effect on the weight. > 9. OT: Need estimate of weight of KB6 weight and auction > (Orrin Iseminger) >From: Karen Estes [mailto:kestes at gorge.net] >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:02 AM >To: Orrin Iseminger >Subject: > >Orrin, >? >I need your help, I need to find out what the scale weight is on a 1991 >International KB6.? It's in the auction, but I don't know what Mike did >with >title/registration, etc.? The court house told me I needed an approximate >weight.? I gave them the GVW, but that's not good enough.? Unfortunately I >need it like yesterday.? I couldn't find out anything by myself on the >internet, so I thought I'd contact an expert. >? >Thanks, >? >Karen > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 5 14:19:22 2006 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:19:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] old engine express Message-ID: <004401c658f6$9dbb1340$a6212f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Curt , everything comes to those who wait regards craig From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 5 17:03:51 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? Message-ID: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1791089822-1144281831=:31573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility  of some of it being dumped in out local landfill.
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Ron Frost


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How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates. From oiseming at moscow.com Wed Apr 5 17:29:29 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:29:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200604060029.k360TbxW081374@mail-gw.fsr.net> If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1791089822-1144281831=:31573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Thanks
Ron Frost


How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 17:56:28 2006 From: firepoliceco20 at hotmail.com (benmoyer moyer) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:56:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My first engine Message-ID: Well just bought my first engine, it's a John Deere LUC runs just needs paint and a muffler. Just wondering if anyone knew if the exhaust faced up or down, also what would be good to belt to it the corn shllers and grinders I have acesses to are made for hit and miss engines. I would greatly appreciate any tips, tricks or quircks these engines have. _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 6 05:07:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: McDonald Diesel & Chapman Boat Engine In-Reply-To: <01bb01c65942$4c4df990$2855dccb@brian> References: <01bb01c65942$4c4df990$2855dccb@brian> Message-ID: Hi, Brian! I'm going to forward this one to the Stationary Engine List and see if some of the real engine experts can help you out. :-) If anybody can help, please E-mail Brian at: brianne at ultratune.com.au John On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Brian Taylor wrote: > Hi John > This is Brian again from the Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum. > You kindly helped with our IHC 3hp restoration and she is running well. > ? > We have been given 4 stationary engines. One is a McDonald Diesel and > she smokes like the proverbial. We have no info related to any (if > any) settings related to injector qty or timing. > Any idea whom I could talk to? > I have looked on Internal Fire for manual but no good. > ? > Second problem is with a Chapman boat engine..2 stroke. > It fires twice on every rotation which suggests that the gearing is > wrong. All LOOKS original. Magneto is single cam. It is alost as > though the gears need swapping over, but physically that is not > feasible due to housing sizes etc. > It will fire up, but due to the extra spark during transfer, we get > explosions in the crankcase. > ? > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Brian Taylor > Publicity Officer > Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum > 13 Zephyr St. > Scarness. > 07-4124 6526 > WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 05:54:04 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <200604060029.k360TbxW081374@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20060406125404.74624.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people. Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people.
Ron

Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:
If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it.

Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium
fuel elements around slung over our shoulder.

On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water.

Regards,

Orrin

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Colton, Washington, USA
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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Apr 6 07:12:41 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:12:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406125404.74624.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> Ron -- If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be anything to worry about. New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and contaminating the local water wells. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people. Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 6 07:31:31 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google. Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data that shows high levels are dangerous. The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically" removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be safely disposed of in landfills. The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns". If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants. There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment than will ever come out of that landfill. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste > and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys > is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of > it being dumped in out local landfill. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 09:12:25 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060406161225.15141.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Arnie. That does make me feel better, I think. This sure did sturr up a lot of people around here in the last couple days. It appears that a couple years ago this waste was considered hazardless but now isn't. This makes me wonder. Well if you should sometime look northward at night and you see a dim glow in the sky, it may be our local landfill. Thanks again for the info. Ron Frost Kersey, Fox township, PA Arnie Fero wrote: Hi Ron, Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google. Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data that shows high levels are dangerous. The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically" removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be safely disposed of in landfills. The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns". If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants. There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment than will ever come out of that landfill. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero-ah at city-net.com On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste > and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys > is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of > it being dumped in out local landfill. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-1502031984-1144339945=:14659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thank you Arnie. That does make me feel better, I think. This sure did sturr up a lot of people around here in the last couple days. It appears that a couple years ago this waste was considered hazardless but now isn't. This makes me wonder.
Well if you should sometime look northward at night and you see a dim glow in the sky, it may be our local landfill. Thanks again for the info.
Ron Frost
Kersey, Fox township, PA
 
 

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
Hi Ron,

Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of
the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural
concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google.

Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally
radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows
the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data
that shows high levels are dangerous.

The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically"
removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear
Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract
uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium
for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the
pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is
naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be
safely disposed of in landfills.

The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public
hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have
nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns".

If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic
materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled
in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment
makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants.
There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment
than will ever come out of that landfill.

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero-ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:

> Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste
> and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys
> is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of
> it being dumped in out local landfill.


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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 09:24:39 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <20060406162439.46117.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes it does have the membrane and there are 8 or 10 wells drilled around the fill area where the water is check. There also is a leatch water system where that water is treated. So even if they should sneak some in in the future, it sounds like all in all it's safe. 99% of the fill materials come from NYC and NJ and is considered residential waste. So other than some oder once in a while, it's good for the areas economy. Thanks Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: Ron -- If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be anything to worry about. New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and contaminating the local water wells. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I don't think they give a hood about the people. Ron Orrin Iseminger wrote: If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, Kersey, PA Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped in out local landfill. Thanks Ron Frost Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. --0-417385826-1144340679=:46026 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yes it does have the membrane and there are 8 or 10 wells drilled around the fill  area where the water is check. There also is a leatch water system where that water is treated. So even if they should sneak some in in the future, it sounds like all in all it's safe. 99% of the fill materials come from NYC and NJ and is considered residential waste. So other than some oder once in a while, it's good for the areas economy.
Thanks
Ron

Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:


Ron --

If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be
anything to worry about.

New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It
also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate
through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and
contaminating the local water wells.

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects. So little time.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
Kersey, PA
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235
Arnie,Dave ??

Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting
the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from
what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the
truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but
because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I
don't think they give a hood about the people.
Ron

Orrin Iseminger wrote:
If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it.

Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium
fuel elements around slung over our shoulder.

On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water.

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects. So little time.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
Kersey, PA
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave
??

Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it
habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was
involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped
in out local landfill.
Thanks
Ron Frost

Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
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Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 6 13:48:24 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:48:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <20060406125404.74624.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200604061412.k36ECkIf050934@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060406164602.0c2ca730@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ron, You are in NO danger. Just too many "little old ladies" trying to scare you! Where do you think uranium 235 comes from? Where did they plan to put it? Dave >Ron -- > >If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be >anything to worry about. > >New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It >also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate >through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and >contaminating the local water wells. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 >Arnie,Dave ?? > >Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting >the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from >what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the >truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but >because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I >don't think they give a hood about the people. > Ron > >Orrin Iseminger wrote: > If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. > >Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium >fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. > >On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave >?? > >Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it >habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was >involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped >in out local landfill. >Thanks >Ron Frost > >Ron Frost >Kersey, PA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > >http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > >" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 15:31:42 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060406164602.0c2ca730@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . Ron Dave Rotigel wrote: Hi Ron, You are in NO danger. Just too many "little old ladies" trying to scare you! Where do you think uranium 235 comes from? Where did they plan to put it? Dave >Ron -- > >If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be >anything to worry about. > >New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It >also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate >through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and >contaminating the local water wells. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 >Arnie,Dave ?? > >Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting >the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from >what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the >truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but >because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I >don't think they give a hood about the people. > Ron > >Orrin Iseminger wrote: > If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it. > >Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium >fuel elements around slung over our shoulder. > >On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water. > >Regards, > >Orrin > >Orrin Iseminger >Colton, Washington, USA >http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm >So many projects. So little time. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost, >Kersey, PA >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave >?? > >Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it >habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was >involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped >in out local landfill. >Thanks >Ron Frost > >Ron Frost >Kersey, PA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > >http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > >" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway.
From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left .
Ron

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
Hi Ron, You are in NO danger. Just too many "little old ladies" trying to
scare you! Where do you think uranium 235 comes from? Where did they plan
to put it?
Dave


>Ron --
>
>If your landfill was built according to current standards, there wouldn't be
>anything to worry about.
>
>New landfills are required to have a waterproof membrane under them. It
>also has a drainage sytem that collects any moisture that might percolate
>through the waste, preventing it from getting into the surrounding soils and
>contaminating the local water wells.
>
>Regards,
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects. So little time.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
>Kersey, PA
>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:54 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235
>Arnie,Dave ??
>
>Well that's good to know Orrin. But it now looks like we will not be getting
>the stuff. After the land fill was awarded the bid, they resinded it from
>what they say was because of the consern of the people. I'll bet if the
>truth were to be known, it was not because of the consern of the people but
>because of the liability and aditional costs to the land fill company. I
>don't think they give a hood about the people.
> Ron
>
>Orrin Iseminger wrote:
> If it's only uranium and not fission products, don't worry about it.
>
>Whenever we refueled the Advanced Test Reactor, we'd carry the new uranium
>fuel elements around slung over our shoulder.
>
>On the other hand, we kept the spent ones under about 20-feet of water.
>
>Regards,
>
>Orrin
>
>Orrin Iseminger
>Colton, Washington, USA
>http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
>So many projects. So little time.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost,
>Kersey, PA
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:04 PM
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave
>??
>
>Would like to ask a couple questions about uranium contaminated waste and it
>habbiets and hazzards in a landfill. Seems like one of you guys is or was
>involved with this stuff. There is a possibility of some of it being dumped
>in out local landfill.
>Thanks
>Ron Frost
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA
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Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 6 15:40:38 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:40:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My first engine References: Message-ID: <003e01c659cb$21af2f40$d3d84c0c@D48VHZ61> I've got a friend with one of those--nice little engine. Here are some of my thoughts and experience with running stuff with engines. It should "play" with a 2 hole sheller. Don't know about the big shellers that you fed with a shovel--probably underpowered for that--then again shelling corn by the shovel full is more work than play. As for grinders---Depends on how you want to run it. Most engines at shows hooked to grinders are just playing. I have a friend with a 7hp economy hooked to a Kelly Duplex mill and it knows its hooked to it if you feed it heavy but for the most part it is just having fun. You should be able to handle a grinder OK. As for grist mills with stone burrs, they typically take a lot of power to feed them heavy and grind fine enough to produce meal. I think ours has about 20 inch stones. We pull it with a 6 cylinder IHC power unit. We don't mess around--takes 2 guys to tend it if you are bagging up the meal in paper sacks for friends.The largest run we ever did was about 300lbs. The proper way, so I was told by a miller, to grind like this is to keep the meal temperature down to where it is just hot enough that you don't want to hold it in your hand very long. This results in running the mill fairly slow, so you just don't get to open up the engine and take advantage of all those horses. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "benmoyer moyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] My first engine > Well just bought my first engine, it's a John Deere LUC runs just needs > paint and a muffler. > Just wondering if anyone knew if the exhaust faced up or down, also what > would be good to belt to it > the corn shllers and grinders I have acesses to are made for hit and miss > engines. I would greatly appreciate any tips, tricks or quircks these > engines have. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 6 18:29:28 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:29:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Message-ID: <000801c659e2$b7325d50$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I have this old silage chopper that I am getting ready to restore and would like to know the maker if I can find out. Also please look at pictures titled "Silage Chopper #4, #5, and #9" and you will see the opposite end of the flat belt pulley shaft. There was at one time another pulley or handwheel on this shaft as you can see the damage to the shaft from the set screw of the device being used. I would like to know what should be on this end of the shaft...a handwheel of some sorts?. The shaft size of the shaft with the pulley on it is 1". Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. http://community.webshots.com/photo/193008252/1193008953049103604vXCGZD From oiseming at moscow.com Thu Apr 6 19:53:27 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. In-Reply-To: <000801c659e2$b7325d50$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200604070253.k372rbKg016339@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:29 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Folks I have this old silage chopper that I am getting ready to restore and would like to know the maker if I can find out. Also please look at pictures titled "Silage Chopper #4, #5, and #9" and you will see the opposite end of the flat belt pulley shaft. There was at one time another pulley or handwheel on this shaft as you can see the damage to the shaft from the set screw of the device being used. I would like to know what should be on this end of the shaft...a handwheel of some sorts?. The shaft size of the shaft with the pulley on it is 1". Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. http://community.webshots.com/photo/193008252/1193008953049103604vXCGZD _______________________________________________ Paul, I have a silage chopper that bears a close resemblance. It has a heavy flywheel on the belt pulley shaft. I'm quite certain that is what is missing off yours. I don't know if mine has a name on it, or not. I'll go check. I've never had time to do anything with mine. Nobody wanted it, so it was headed for the scrap iron pile. Rather than let that happen I got it for a $2.50 bid. It is a *heavy* beast. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 7 03:53:16 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 05:53:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. References: <200604070253.k372rbKg016339@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <000c01c65a31$79f53c10$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks Orrin, I appreciate your help. I will await your reply. Paul > _______________________________________________ > > Paul, I have a silage chopper that bears a close resemblance. It has a > heavy flywheel on the belt pulley shaft. I'm quite certain that is what > is > missing off yours. > > I don't know if mine has a name on it, or not. I'll go check. > > I've never had time to do anything with mine. Nobody wanted it, so it was > headed for the scrap iron pile. Rather than let that happen I got it for > a > $2.50 bid. It is a *heavy* beast. > > Regards, > > Orrin > > From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Fri Apr 7 10:28:45 2006 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:28:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Message-ID: Paul, I just picked up a David Bradley silage chopper that looks a lot like yours. But then again maybe they all look alike. I'll try to get out to the barn this weekend and get some pictures to see if the number match. Mine has a flywheel on the off-pulley side that bolts to a hub that is then tightened to the shaft with a set screw bolt. Ken Erman Windsor CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C65A68.B944EC03 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D.

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 I just picked up a David Bradley silage chopper that looks a lot like yours.  But then again maybe they all look alike.  I'll try to get out to the barn this weekend and get some pictures to see if the number match.  Mine has a flywheel on the off-pulley side that bolts to a hub that is then tightened to the shaft with a set screw bolt.

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 From paul at semidiesel.com Fri Apr 7 12:13:41 2006 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:13:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Long Island Antique Power Association In-Reply-To: <20060406162439.46117.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406162439.46117.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4436B9E5.8040806@semidiesel.com> Hi, Anyone on the list a member of LIAPA? We are trying to get more information on our Worthington diesel and there is a pic of a smaller one at the R & T 2003 Threshermens Reunion :- http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-albums/rt-2003_reun/c/rtv401xf_2003_025.asp#Photo We would like to track down the owner and see if he has any info that might help us. Thanks Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 7 15:31:07 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:31:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. Message-ID: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have not seen it yet but is a must see for me. The story of Burt Munro. Speaking of Motor Cycles ,one day soon I hope to be the owner of a 1922 Raleigh M/C.Meanwhile my magneto is ready for the Smiths Motor Wheel ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 7 16:20:35 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:20:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. References: Message-ID: <00a801c65a99$e0bc97f0$240110ac@PAUL2> Thanks Ken for responding. I would love to see the pictures of your chopper. Also would like to know the dimensions on your flywheel as I am going to have find one for my chopper. Many thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need Info and I.D. Paul, I just picked up a David Bradley silage chopper that looks a lot like yours. But then again maybe they all look alike. I'll try to get out to the barn this weekend and get some pictures to see if the number match. Mine has a flywheel on the off-pulley side that bolts to a hub that is then tightened to the shaft with a set screw bolt. Ken Erman Windsor CT. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 6 10:10:14 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? References: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c6599c$fa7aa630$0b4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie,Dave ?? > Hi Ron, > > Folks tend to forget where uranium comes from in the first place; out of > the ground. In fact, Eastern PA has some incredibly high natural > concentrations of uranium. Look into the Reading Prong in Google. > Uranium and it's decay products are everywhere; we live in a naturally > radioactive world. In fact, there's as much published research that shows > the human organism NEEDS low level radiation exposure as there is data > that shows high levels are dangerous. > The bottom line is that once radioactive material has been "technically" > removed from its natural location in the ground, it falls under US Nuclear > Regulatory Commission oversight. This includes the rock mined to extract > uranium (referred to as tailings), the rock mined to extract potassium > for fertilizer (also tailings), and the scale that builds up inside the > pipe casing used to drill for and pump oil. All of it is > naturally radioactive and all of it is controlled and all of it may be > safely disposed of in landfills. > The problem that you run into is anti-nuke and media fostered public > hysteria. But that's a different issue. Folks have agendas that have > nothing whatsoever to do with their stated "concerns". > If you want to be concerned about something, worry about all of the toxic > materials that go into the landfill that are NOT regulated or controlled > in any way. Or if the thought of uranium roaming free in the environment > makes you twitchy, look to your friendly local coal fired power plants. > There's far more uranium going up the stack into your personal environment > than will ever come out of that landfill. > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie,I agree about the coal fired emissions. A local area was being declared a preserved habit & the local council decided to put in footpaths to keep people within know routes. They used coal residue from the local power station for the paths. A coupleof months later someone with a geiger counter entered the site & his meter went way up. It was the radio-activity in the flyash from the Power station. They had to remove it all & use other material for the paths. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 8 08:49:39 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:49:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1144511379.4437db9337fb2@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Ron, Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock baggies and sell it on eBay!! To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85! Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your Geiger counter. Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department. They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" : > Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year > the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If > it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. > From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system > in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and > 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 8 08:52:15 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:52:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <000d01c6599c$fa7aa630$0b4c1152@no1> References: <20060406000351.33385.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000d01c6599c$fa7aa630$0b4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <1144511535.4437dc2fda11e@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Sadly, I'm sure they did remove it. The sad bit is there was no need to do so. It's the sort of action that results from ignorance and irrational fear. See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > Hi Arnie,I agree about the coal fired emissions. > A local area was being declared a preserved habit & > the local council decided to put in footpaths to keep > people within know routes. > They used coal residue from the local power station for the paths. > A coupleof months later someone with a geiger counter entered the > site & his meter went way up. > It was the radio-activity in the flyash from the Power station. > They had to remove it all & use other material for the paths. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 8 10:55:30 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:55:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NOVO CRANKCASE COVERS 1 PAIR (#7607428039) Message-ID: <1144518930.4437f9128f762@webmail.city-net.com> Anyone still need these? View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7607428039 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 8 11:52:18 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:52:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 25 HP. South Penn Message-ID: <20060408185223.93E92627855@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Were a few of you guys looking for something like this? I know that this might be too easy, but it beats getting ripped off by the scrappers. Take a look at EBAY 7608266037.Good luck. Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 12:48:41 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <1144511379.4437db9337fb2@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060408194841.43455.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lets see, If I bought all 6300 tons and bagged it in 1 lb. lots then sold it for $5.00 a bag claming it is radio active. I could be rich. Maybe I could sell it as a lot to Iran. Thanks for the info. I just may have to get an oil field map and do a little hunting. Thanks Ron fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: Hi Ron, Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock baggies and sell it on eBay!! To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85! Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your Geiger counter. Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department. They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" : > Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year > the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If > it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. > From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system > in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and > 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-1645962526-1144525721=:42301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Lets see, If I bought all 6300 tons and bagged it in 1 lb. lots then sold it for $5.00 a bag claming it is radio active. I could be rich. Maybe I could sell it as a lot to Iran.
Thanks for the info. I just may have to get an oil field map and do a little hunting.
Thanks
Ron

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
Hi Ron,

Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock
baggies and sell it on eBay!!

To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot
radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words
Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85!
Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out
Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your
Geiger counter.

Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay
and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can
get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department.
They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The
latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for
oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-))

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" :

> Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year
> the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If
> it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway.
> From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system
> in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and
> 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left .



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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Apr 8 17:48:33 2006 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:48:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Looking for someone who knows about uranium 235 Arnie, Dave ?? In-Reply-To: <1144511379.4437db9337fb2@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060406223142.3455.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060408164531.01b5e570@mail.pennswoods.net> Arnie to bad the smart state people did not know about all that Iron pi rite down on the new 99 or they could have sold it and paid for the highway. Instead of paying an other 3-4 million to have it hauled away. R Fink PA At 11:49 AM 4/8/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Ron, > >Ya know if these folks had half-a-brain, they'd put the stuff in Zip-Lock >baggies and sell it on eBay!! > >To get a feel for what kind of money you can make by selling nice hot >radioactive uranium bearing rocks, do a search on eBay using the key words >Geiger counter uranium. Item number: 6619482998 is a beauty for only $85! >Or take a look at what radioactive uranium-bearing marbles bring. Check out >Item number: 6050003499. $14 for a hundred common marbles that will peg your >Geiger counter. > >Actually, given where you live, YOU should get a nice Geiger counter from eBay >and go prospecting for some nice hot outcroppings along highway cuts. You can >get some great "starting point" maps from the PA State geology department. >They also have great maps that show coal deposits and oil & gas finds. The >latter info is a great starting point if you want to go prospecting for >oilfield engines in the PA woods. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >Quoting "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" : > > > Well it's again up in the air as to where it will end up. Earlier this year > > the stuff was rejected at another landfill , I forget where here in PA . If > > it's so all fired safe I wonder why they are moving it anyway. > > From what I've learned it is the waste water etc from the sanatary system > > in a plant that refined 235 for power plants and subs. back in the 70's and > > 80's. It has been fired and this is the flyash left . > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 8 16:44:03 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:44:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) Message-ID: I'm wondering if maybe the Old Iron Brigade might be able to help out with moving something for me. A fellow in Winfield, Kansas (about an hour south of Wichita, maybe 10 miles north of the Kansas state line with Oklahoma) is buying a Hammond organ similar to mine, with a Hammond Model 10 tone cabinet that he doesn't want and I'd like to have. It's a wooden cabinet with an amp and speakers inside, similar in size and weight to one of the big old console radios. He's going to be passing through Wichita tomorrow afternoon with the goodies. If anyone's around Wichita who might be able to carry it to one of the shows attended by other Engine List members, maybe we could work out a transfer to get it closer to me. I'm happy to pay for gas and your trouble, of course. I'm pretty tied down with my work schedule and family and won't be able to make it out to many shows this year, probably the East Tennessee Crankup and Asheville show are the only likely ones. But Bo's planning on coming to the Crankup and several List regulars usually make it to Asheville in October, so maybe something could be worked out. I'd sure appreciate it! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 8 16:57:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:57:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The cabinet I'm talking about can be seen here: http://ebay.com/ item # 7403856677 (That fellow sure got a great deal! St. John, KS is sort of in the middle of nowhere, I think, and it was pickup-only.) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Apr 8 18:10:35 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:10:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) Message-ID: <410-2200640911035328@earthlink.net> John, I will be going to the Winfield Show in Aug and can pick it up for you but I won't be going to Portland this year so I would only be able to get it North to I-70 and Kansas City. I have room to store it until someone else would be passing through heading your way. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John Culp > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine > Date: 4/8/2006 7:11:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) > > I'm wondering if maybe the Old Iron Brigade might be able to help out > with moving something for me. A fellow in Winfield, Kansas (about an > hour south of Wichita, maybe 10 miles north of the Kansas state line > with Oklahoma) is buying a Hammond organ similar to mine, with a > Hammond Model 10 tone cabinet that he doesn't want and I'd like to > have. It's a wooden cabinet with an amp and speakers inside, similar in > size and weight to one of the big old console radios. He's going to be > passing through Wichita tomorrow afternoon with the goodies. If > anyone's around Wichita who might be able to carry it to one of the > shows attended by other Engine List members, maybe we could work out a > transfer to get it closer to me. I'm happy to pay for gas and your > trouble, of course. I'm pretty tied down with my work schedule and > family and won't be able to make it out to many shows this year, > probably the East Tennessee Crankup and Asheville show are the only > likely ones. But Bo's planning on coming to the Crankup and several > List regulars usually make it to Asheville in October, so maybe > something could be worked out. I'd sure appreciate it! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 8 18:17:54 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:17:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anybody Near Wichita? (Old Iron Brigade Help Needed) In-Reply-To: <410-2200640911035328@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200640911035328@earthlink.net> Message-ID: There's an idea. Thanks, Tim! John On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:10 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > John, I will be going to the Winfield Show in Aug and can pick it up > for > you but I won't be going to Portland this year so I would only be able > to > get it North to I-70 and Kansas City. I have room to store it until > someone else would be passing through heading your way. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 9 13:16:35 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:16:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Message-ID: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Apr 9 14:11:43 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:11:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] John Hammink Message-ID: <4439788F.6010504@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks When John died last December, a number of people contacted me to send funds for a floral tribute. I organised this, in the name of the engine mailing lists, and the tribute was much appreciated by his widow, Ria, and her family. There was a lot more money donated than we needed, so it was decided to purchase a gift for Ria in his memory. We decided on a gemstone globe (for those of you who've not seen them, they're conventional looking globes, but with gold plated base and the oceans and countries are made of various semi-precious stones). A silver disc was attached, with an inscription saying it was in memory of John from his friends around the world. When I packed it up to send, I added a book containing all the tributes which had been posted on the various internet forums, with all the photos I could find of John at engine shows. Tonight I received a message from Ria, which she asked me to post to you all, as I'm sure those of you who knew John (in person or via email) will be interested to know what is happening to his collection. Dolly ********************************************** Dear Helen and friends all over the world. I want to thank you all for the nice globe you send me in memory of John. This was a very emotional gift for me. The globe is very beautiful and it will get a special place in the house. I also want to thank you for the letters and photo's in bookform. It is a nice memory to John. We never realized, what he ment to you all and that he was appreciated as a person by you all. I'm doing well, but I miss him every day, especially now the shows begin next month. I'm planning to visit some engine shows this summer, because there are coming a lot of dutch engine friend. In september Simone, Jeroen and I will travel to Mount Pleasant Iowa,tospread John's ashes. We think that it will be a suitable place, because he loved the country. Most of John engine's will get a place in a museum here in the Netherlands, I'm very happy with that. One engine has been placed on permanent display in the showroom of his former employer, the John-Deere firm where John worked for 38 years. Thanks again, Love Ria -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 15:04:52 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:04:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060409220455.BEE88313C1A@mx-in03.mail-abuse.org> Hi Tommy, I put Fairbanks serial numbers in the search block. That brought up Fairbanks Morse shed[Scroll down a little] That sight has your info. Cya Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 15:09:19 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:09:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060409220923.696CE9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> PS, 01 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 9 15:23:38 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:23:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <20060409222342.0357D9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Tommy #16727 is on a 2 horse "T", 2 bolt fly wheeled ,dual ignition ,cast ID plate, one inspection cover engine. The cast brass plate has several dates on it 1892-1897. Let me know if I can help any more. Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 9 15:26:11 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:26:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c65c24$9c7c7ce0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi Tommy, Denis Rouleau used to maintain a list. You can probably google him to find out if he still maintains it. According to his list dated 1998, your serial number was built in 1901. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Judge Tommy Turner [mailto:lcjudge at scrtc.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:17 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List > > Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to > 1911? I have > seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I > need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu Sun Apr 9 15:29:37 2006 From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:29:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List References: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Yes, Denis Rouleau has a Serial Number and Year Built (Estimate) list on his website. If I read it correctly, the SN 16768 would be 1901. To see the list on his site go to http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html I hope this will be of some assistance/interest to you. Best Wishes!! Don Siefker 28 Miles SW of Portland, IN ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Sun 4/9/2006 3:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List Does anyone have a serial number listing for FM prior to 1911? I have seen the list that begins with #100408 made in 1911. In particular I need to know about SN 16768. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 9 16:56:00 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Serial Number List In-Reply-To: References: <44396BA3.1010505@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <44399F10.5040307@scrtc.com> Thanks to all who have provided the info on the FM Serial Numbers. You've given me what I need! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 9 18:23:00 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:23:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: query In-Reply-To: <4439B044.4020107@citcom.net> References: <4439B044.4020107@citcom.net> Message-ID: <8486ce2a224f7c9ca0b8d14ba957df8a@chartertn.net> Frank, I'm forwarding this over to the Stationary Engine List to see if someone on there can tell you about the Seager. Frank's E-address is: fbridges at citcom.net John On Apr 9, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Frank Bridges wrote: > john: i live in brevard nc some time or other i came across a picture > of a seager engine i think is made by olds. i thought it moight have > come through here, but the only picture i have printed was on a full > sheet of paper and this is a small photo, any way i am looking for > some one familiar with this engine, the one i have needs parts etc, > but i dont see any one who says any thing about them,you being close i > thought you might have heard of this engine. i have been to jeff > hutchins show, but dont go much any more out of my locality.if you > have the time would like to hear from. Frank Bridges 22 maple st > Brevard,N.C. 28712 > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Apr 9 18:30:39 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:30:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed Message-ID: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> hello all, i got a notice from a club that puts on a show i attend every year stating that all exhibitors will now be required to be EDGE members,,,,, my club is not a EDGE member, and i've never been a EDGE member,,,, i went to the EDGE web site, and find nothing that says an individual may join, it all seems to refer to club membership,,,, am i overlooking information that would allow an individual to join and be covered with their insurance? are any of you guys members of EDGE and belong to a club that is not a member ? any help would be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 9 22:08:41 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:08:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed In-Reply-To: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <010f01c65c5c$d7047ce0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > are any of you guys members of EDGE and belong to > a club that is not a member ? Hi Bill, Our local club is independent. I'm not an EDGE member at this time, but have been in the past. When attending an EDGE show, I just sign up with the chapter that is putting it on. I figure it's a bargain, considering that I get to have a good time and there's a lot of work and expense involved in putting on a show. Pay your ten or twenty bucks and have a good time. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Mon Apr 10 04:04:19 2006 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:04:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples Message-ID: Paul, Here are a few pictures of my fodder chopper. The flywheel is about 24 inches in diameter and the diameter of the outer edge of the flywheel is about 1 3/4 inches. I didn't write the numbers down because i thought they would show up in the pictures. They didn't come out too well but i can get them if you need them. http://community.webshots.com/photo/32992164/2217856420034927251peYswW Ken Erman ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C65C8E.83ACF00B Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples

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 Here are a few pictures of my fodder chopper.  The flywheel is about 24 inches in diameter and the diameter of the outer edge of the flywheel is about 1 3/4 inches.  I didn't write the numbers down because i thought they would show up in the pictures.  They didn't come out too well but i can get them if you need them.

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 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 10 05:46:49 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:46:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Columbus Message-ID: <20060410124647.NHKA14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I picked up this toy on the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Columbus/06040908.JPG It is a vertical Columbus. This engine had been owned by Colin MacKinnon, a list member who sadly passed away a couple of years ago. He had made a start on the engine but never got any further than dismantling it. I am not sure what is missing but I know it is definitely missing the igniter and the carby/ intake manifold assembly. Another interesting project. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/columbus1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 10 06:13:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed In-Reply-To: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> References: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060410091043.03bb9190@mail.alltel.net> Hi bill, There is NO individual EDGE&TA membership. You need to join through a member club. The insurance is well worth the price you will pay. It will cover you for $1,000,000.00 liability at ALL the shows you attend--EDGE&TA or not! Dave At 09:30 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >hello all, >i got a notice from a club that puts on a show i attend every year stating >that all exhibitors will now be required to be EDGE members,,,,, my club >is not a EDGE member, and i've never been a EDGE member,,,, i went to the >EDGE web site, and find nothing that says an individual >may join, it all seems to refer to club membership,,,, am i overlooking >information that would allow an individual to join and be covered with >their insurance? are any of you guys members of EDGE and belong to a club >that is not a member ? >any help would be appreciated,, >bill boyce >lost prairie, arkansas From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com Mon Apr 10 09:08:07 2006 From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:08:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] 2 cylinder Wisconsin Message-ID: Does anybody here know what a 2 cylinder wisconsin engine is worth? Andrew. >From Andrew at tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com b10730 at hotmail.com Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 10 10:38:11 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:38:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. Message-ID: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> An employee brought in a HT, IHC mag / distributor off of his IHC Cub this morning saying it no longer had fire. I've attached 4 photos and am looking for information as to how to troubleshoot it so I can repair it for him. And then instructions on how to re-time it on installation. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M4.jpg There are not a lot of numbers on it but the s/n says J4022924. At the bottom is a small number on the casting 251493 R91 Facing the drive end it will turn and click counterclockwise, but I cannot turn it clockwise very far as it feels like it is up against a spring load.. What is the business direction? It behaves like a rotary imulse mag, but the electrical lead coming in the lower part of the case adds confusion. Thanks for any assistance in identifying this and for information on it. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Apr 10 13:32:05 2006 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:32:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> References: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060410160730.02052760@alltel.net> >Facing the drive end it will turn and click counterclockwise, but I >cannot turn it clockwise very far as it feels like it is up against >a spring load.. What is the business direction? It behaves like a >rotary imulse mag, but the electrical lead coming in the lower part >of the case adds confusion. Curt, I'll offer up my limited info based on a similar mag (F4) that is on an IHC Farmall A. From your description, the business direction is clockwise turning it through the impulse spring. Here are some of the things that I would do to see if you can make it spark again. Removing the rotor and the dark housing just below it should give you access to the points and you can the standard cleaning, etc. for those. That electrical lead coming out of the lower part is the top post of the condenser. On the opposite side of that post there is probably an access cover to get to the condenser. Alternatively, take the cover off of the coil and you should be able to get at the condenser. Tractor Supply should have both the points and condenser so I would probably just replace both of them. While you have the coil cover off, go ahead and check with your ohm meter that the coil if still one continuous wire instead of two. After you decide the coil is good and you have replaced the points and condenser put it all back together and put a plug wire complete with a plug in the post coming out of the coil. Have Devin hold the plug and rotate the mag clockwise through the impulse. If Devin jumps and screams after the impulse snaps then you've fixed the mag! If not, it may need to have its magnets recharged. As for timing it when you put it back on, you've either got it right or you are 180 out. So turn the mag through so it is about to fire #1 and get the engine where it is coming up to top dead center on the compression stroke of # 1. Put the mag on and it should be good to go. Hope that helps, Mike _____________________ Mike Tucker Midway, Kentucky USA _____________________ From gkhass at avci.net Mon Apr 10 15:22:07 2006 From: gkhass at avci.net (Greg Hass) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:22:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20060410180201.00bc4de0@avsin.avci.net> I don't know much about mags although I have a Cub with one. Just an observation, and maybe wrong, but in your first picture there appears to be a very bad crack in the top cover. If this is actually a crack, and not just something that shows in the picture, I doubt that any mag will work like this as the cover is a high voltgage part just as the distributer cap is. Just a thought. Greg Hass Michigan at 62 degrees after 3 inches of snow on Friday From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 10 20:41:52 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:41:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? Message-ID: <000801c65d19$dfb626a0$4f9beedc@fred> Can anyone help with details about Hornsby Head Gasket? Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From gkhass at avci.net Mon Apr 10 20:51:35 2006 From: gkhass at avci.net (Greg Hass) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:51:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20060410234523.00bc20a0@avsin.avci.net> I missed this the first time but in picture one if the electrical connection you refer to is the threads with two nuts on them on the lower left end of the mag, this is where the wire for the kill switch attaches to short the mag and stop the engine. Greg Hass From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 10 23:13:52 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:13:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? In-Reply-To: <000801c65d19$dfb626a0$4f9beedc@fred> Message-ID: <003101c65d2f$1cb07410$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Can anyone help with details about Hornsby Head Gasket? Depends on the flavor of Hornsby. What are you working on? Rob From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 10 12:29:13 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:29:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples References: Message-ID: <003401c65cd5$0dcc7390$240110ac@PAUL2> Ken this look just like my fodder and now I know what I am looking for ...the flywheel. Thanks to your measurements I now have something to go by and I will start trying to find one of these wheels so my chopper will be complete. Thanks so much for sending me the pictures and for the help, it is greatly appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Fodder Chopper pictures for Paul Maples Paul, Here are a few pictures of my fodder chopper. The flywheel is about 24 inches in diameter and the diameter of the outer edge of the flywheel is about 1 3/4 inches. I didn't write the numbers down because i thought they would show up in the pictures. They didn't come out too well but i can get them if you need them. http://community.webshots.com/photo/32992164/2217856420034927251peYswW Ken Erman From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 11 00:22:40 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:22:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? References: <003101c65d2f$1cb07410$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <007901c65d38$bb035f70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> This is the man to contact Hooley, Ray E-mail Address(es): rayhooley at tiscali.co.uk Personal Information: Address: 16 Alexandra Avenue. North Hykeham LincolnLN6 8HR Phone: 01522 682406 Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Hornsby Head Gasket? > >> Can anyone help with details about Hornsby Head Gasket? > > Depends on the flavor of Hornsby. > What are you working on? > > Rob > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 11 05:52:08 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:52:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <006501c65cce$5d860380$cb712052@kim9m4f9c59gis> References: <443A9803.6020106@imc-group.com> <006501c65cce$5d860380$cb712052@kim9m4f9c59gis> Message-ID: <443BA678.90003@imc-group.com> Kim, Mike, Greg, Rob, Jim, Ben, Craig, (hope I didn't miss anyone), Thanks for the great suggestions. Took thinks apart last night and check the capacitor with a VOM and it checked good. Cleaned the points with lacquer thinner and then polished with crocus cloth until very bright. Did not alter the points gap (BTW what is the correct gap? Looks to be about .015) I suspect the owner of the mag had removed the rotor cap and gotten it out of time. I found what I think are two marks on the small metal gear and the rotor button. I lined them facing each other. The fellow didn't bring the cap so I couldn't check the rotor button timing. I rigged up a small piece of wire off the HT cap and spinning c'clockwise can make a blue arc that will light you up :-) I tried to rotate it clockwise against the spring, but just don't have the strength to carry it all the way thru. So it will go back on the tractor this evening to see if it is working. Thanks again guys. Curt Kim Siddorn wrote: > Before you do anything else, clean the points properly by repeatedly > pushing between them a doubled over slip of at least 1000 grit (1200 > is better!) wet and dry paper moistened with Methalated spirit - alcohol. > > Do this with the points half open to put some pressure on the abrasive > paper. move it in and out until the points are shiny - no more. Should > take about a minute of steady work. DO NOT be tempted to use a nail > file, 180 grit glass paper etc!! Clean with the corner of a clean lint > free cloth or paper. Hold points open & blow on them to finish. > > That may well be all that's wrong with it. The points live in a more > or less airtight space full of corrosive ozone. When the engine stops > and the magneto cools down, condensation corrodes the points adding a > nice thick layer of restive oxide. > > Regards, > > Kim Siddorn > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M1.jpg >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M2.jpg >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M3.jpg >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/IHCMaggy/M4.jpg >> From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 11 07:28:46 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:28:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443BA678.90003@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004801c65d74$3f949750$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > the capacitor with a VOM and it checked good. Sorry mate. You can't check capacitor's "goodness" with a VOM. You can check a capacitor's "badness" with a VOM. For that matter, you can't check for "goodness" with a simple capacitance meter, either. Your VOM pumps out what? Nine volts? A capacitor might "look" good when being tested with nine volts, but as soon as you put it in the real-life circuit with 400 volts, it will leak electrons like classified information through Scooter Libby's mouth. Rob From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 11 09:09:37 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:09:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <004801c65d74$3f949750$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <004801c65d74$3f949750$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <443BD4C1.4070101@imc-group.com> Rob, Gotta disagree with you mate. For years I did TV and radio troubleshooting for profit and a analog meter will do a pretty decent job of testing caps. You can't do it with a digital meter (hence one of several reasons I don't own one) but with a good old fashioned analog meter you can see what is happening. Put your meter on the highest kOhm setting, 10k or 100k. Hook your leads up to the cap using no fingers (use roach clips), it should read infinite resistance. Now reverse the leads. You should see a momentary blip of the needle with a slow return to infinity. The higher the mF of the cap the slower the return (reverse charging). While this is no way to determine the actual capacitance, it IS an excellent measure of voltage storing function, and an excellent insulator leak test in low voltage application. Since it is doubful that the actual surface area of conductors has changed without either opening entirely or shorting entirely, it is a good diagnostics tool that tells you where you need to look next. Curt Rob Skinner wrote: >>the capacitor with a VOM and it checked good. >> >> > >Sorry mate. You can't check capacitor's "goodness" with a >VOM. You can check a capacitor's "badness" with a VOM. For >that matter, you can't check for "goodness" with a simple >capacitance meter, either. > >Your VOM pumps out what? Nine volts? A capacitor might >"look" good when being tested with nine volts, but as soon >as you put it in the real-life circuit with 400 volts, it >will leak electrons like classified information through >Scooter Libby's mouth. > >Rob > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 11 09:31:38 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:31:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More patterns. Message-ID: <443BD9EA.6010905@imc-group.com> A couple of weeks ago I started on a double piston pattern. To date everything I've done was single parts so this was a challenge getting identical halves and adding the sprue, gate, and riser systems, and having all that work precisely with the double corebox. Took a few pictures along the way and thought you might enjoy seeing them. Havin' fun! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 11 10:09:22 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:09:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC mag/distributor question. In-Reply-To: <443BD4C1.4070101@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007501c65d8a$af42d2e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Gotta disagree with you mate. Hi Curt, It's a good thing you can fall back on your boyish looks and fine engine collection. Perhaps you could call Missy and ask her to clarify this for you. In the off chance that she rejects logic and sides with her husband, we'll have to settle this the old fashioned way: I'll arm wrestle her for it. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 11 19:18:15 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:18:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] More patterns. In-Reply-To: <443BD9EA.6010905@imc-group.com> References: <443BD9EA.6010905@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060411221722.05323e78@mail.alltel.net> WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking GOOD Curt! Dave At 12:31 PM 4/11/2006, you wrote: >A couple of weeks ago I started on a double piston pattern. To date >everything I've done was single parts so this was a challenge getting >identical halves and adding the sprue, gate, and riser systems, and having >all that work precisely with the double corebox. Took a few pictures along >the way and thought you might enjoy seeing them. > >Havin' fun! >Curt Holland From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Apr 12 05:46:51 2006 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:46:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. In-Reply-To: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au> I highly recommend it - while Hopkins makes a piss poor New Zealander the story is good - keeps you watching. Why they couldnt just use a New Zealander beats me... there are plenty of out of work actors in NZ since the hobbits did a runner a few years ago. Regards Paul peter ogborne wrote: > I have not seen it yet but is a must see for me. The story of Burt Munro. > Speaking of Motor Cycles ,one day soon I hope to be the owner of a 1922 > Raleigh M/C.Meanwhile my magneto is ready for the Smiths Motor Wheel ! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 12 06:22:45 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:22:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home Message-ID: Howdy all; I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used for an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is way overkill for me. The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one unit. The price will be right as it was given to me. thanx fer readin' RickinMt. From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Apr 12 07:03:20 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:03:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: Message-ID: <032e01c65e39$db7c2190$bd161941@pengy> Hmm, now thats an idea. Hydraulic drive for the engine would be ideal assuming that it s powerful enough. Can you take some pics of it and give me any other info. on it if you have any? I'll talk to an engineer friend and see if this unit would be capable of driving the Tod and what size of hydraulic motor I would need. Can you get it to a motor freight terminal or load it on a truck? Thanks Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Howdy all; > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used for > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > way overkill for me. > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > unit. > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > thanx fer readin' > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Apr 12 07:29:44 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:29:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: Message-ID: <00b301c65e3d$98ec5940$649ef504@Ed> Do you think it would work for a wood splitter?? LOL Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Howdy all; > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used for > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > way overkill for me. > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > unit. > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > thanx fer readin' > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 12 07:50:29 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:50:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: <00b301c65e3d$98ec5940$649ef504@Ed> Message-ID: It sure would, Ed!!! Prolly even do cottonwood or the biggun's out on the left side. No..this is was overkill fer that..besides it's 3phase. Nice to hear from ya, tho. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Do you think it would work for a wood splitter?? LOL > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > > > > Howdy all; > > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used > > for > > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > > way overkill for me. > > > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > > unit. > > > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > > > thanx fer readin' > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 12 07:52:24 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:52:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: <032e01c65e39$db7c2190$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Will get the spec's and pix's asap, Rick. As yes I can drop ship it here locally. later, me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Hmm, now thats an idea. Hydraulic drive for the engine would be ideal > assuming that it s powerful enough. Can you take some pics of it and give > me any other info. on it if you have any? I'll talk to an engineer friend > and see if this unit would be capable of driving the Tod and what size of > hydraulic motor I would need. > > Can you get it to a motor freight terminal or load it on a truck? > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > www.todengine.org > > William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine > Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > > > > Howdy all; > > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used > > for > > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > > way overkill for me. > > > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > > unit. > > > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > > > thanx fer readin' > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 12 10:09:36 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:09:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c65e53$e1a0b4e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, How about a big water fountain, like at the Bellagio. http://www.bellagiolasvegas.com/pages/attrac_video_mainpage. asp From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Apr 12 16:57:47 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3> <443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c65e8c$e71ce220$b984dccb@oemcomputer> Haven't seen the movie but going by the reviews it is great .From what they said in one review Anthony Hopkins plays the part as a New Zealander OK and uses his native Kiwi accent OK as well.If I heard right he is a Kiwi. PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:46 Subject: Re: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. > I highly recommend it - while Hopkins makes a piss poor New Zealander the story is good - keeps you watching. Why they > couldnt just use a New Zealander beats me... there are plenty of out of work actors in NZ since the hobbits did a runner > a few years ago. > > Regards > Paul > > peter ogborne wrote: > > I have not seen it yet but is a must see for me. The story of Burt Munro. > > Speaking of Motor Cycles ,one day soon I hope to be the owner of a 1922 > > Raleigh M/C.Meanwhile my magneto is ready for the Smiths Motor Wheel ! > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 12 19:11:29 2006 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:41:29 +0930 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au> <000b01c65e8c$e71ce220$b984dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c65e9f$98823940$2eca8890@chaos> Name: Phillip Anthony Hopkins Born: 31 December 1937 Weighing: 7 and 3/4 pounds At: 77 Wern Rd, Margam, Port Talbot, Wales Mother: Muriel Hopkins (nee Yeats) Father: Richard Arthur Hopkins Eyes: Blue Hair: Silver/White Height: 5' 7" Marital Status: Married Children: 1 daughter - Abigail World's Fastest Indian: True story based on the life of New Zealander Burt Munro who built a 1920 Indian motorcycle and then travelled to the salt flats of Utah where he set the land-speed world record...Tony plays Burt. A lot of the film was shot in New Zealand where it has become the largest grossing movie of all time. Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. > Haven't seen the movie but going by the reviews it is great .From what > they > said in one review Anthony Hopkins plays the part as a New Zealander OK > and > uses his native Kiwi accent OK as well.If I heard right he is a Kiwi. > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 12 20:13:00 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:13:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. References: <000c01c65a92$fa7bcbe0$a6f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><443CF6BB.2020909@steamengine.com.au><000b01c65e8c$e71ce220$b984dccb@oemcomputer> <000d01c65e9f$98823940$2eca8890@chaos> Message-ID: <00c901c65ea8$2cd41110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey Derek, Ya fergot to list your operations! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The Worlds Fastest Indian...a little OT. > Name: Phillip Anthony Hopkins > Born: 31 December 1937 > Weighing: 7 and 3/4 pounds > At: 77 Wern Rd, Margam, Port Talbot, Wales > Mother: Muriel Hopkins (nee Yeats) > Father: Richard Arthur Hopkins > Eyes: Blue > Hair: Silver/White > Height: 5' 7" > Marital Status: Married > Children: 1 daughter - Abigail > From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Apr 12 21:44:23 2006 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:44:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT, EDGE info needed References: <002801c65c3e$6245ff00$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> <6.1.2.0.0.20060410091043.03bb9190@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001801c65eb4$f042ed40$3f6ffea9@BillyBob> There is NO individual EDGE&TA membership. You need to join > through a member club. The insurance is well worth the price you will pay. > It will cover you for $1,000,000.00 liability at ALL the shows you > attend--EDGE&TA or not! > Dave thanks dave, thats the info i needed bill boyce From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Apr 13 06:22:19 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:22:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20060413101958.00a90cc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi The list, I'm having problems with the BTH Type M1 mag fitted to the Ronnie N and, being totally ignorant about magneto's, I'm hoping some of you can come up with ideas and information. When I first got the engine I did get it running with the mag but the contact breaker spring was a bit stretched and would touch the body of the mag and short out. I temporarily sorted this out with a strip of insulating plastic but this wore out very quickly. A friend (who knows these things and is not a fool) took the mag to sorted this out by shortening the spring a little. He also cleaned up and serviced the mag and skimmed the brass brush track. When he was finished the mag was producing a nice strong spark. Now that the engine is reassembled I'm getting erratic results again and the spark is pretty weak (the mag is well earthed to the engine via the mounting bolts). Justin (my aforementioned friend) suspects that the condenser in the armature is causing this problem but has never stripped one of these. I found a company in Britain who offers a "modern replacement" condenser and have written to them asking for details regarding how to fit the new condenser (does it need special equipment and suchlike) but have not received an answer from them yet hence my letter to the list. Does anyone have any info on how to do this - can a skilled person do this with normal tools or is any special equipment needed ? It would also help if anyone knows what the values of this condenser are and could tell me what to look and ask for and I could try to source one locally. I'm not against ordering one from Britain but it would be easier and quicker if I could get it locally. I do know that I could send the mag to England, Aus or the States for repairs but unfortunately my budget does not allow for this. We have no local companies able to fix these old mags. Of course any other ideas or suggestions regarding the working of the magneto would also be appreciated. I have temporarily fitted a Wico mag to the engine and he is "puttering away" beautifully but I would like to repair and replace the original BTH - especially seeing as that as I went to so much trouble polishing it up and removing the chrome to see polished brass :-) Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 13 08:23:14 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:23:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home References: <032e01c65e39$db7c2190$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: Here are some pix's of this Elevator Hydraulic Pack. One question I might have is in regards to "Intermittent Duty," but a hydraulic fluid cooler might take care of that....dunno. Hope Rick or someone can use it. http://community.webshots.com/album/549450878cWxDRQ Later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > Hmm, now thats an idea. Hydraulic drive for the engine would be ideal > assuming that it s powerful enough. Can you take some pics of it and give > me any other info. on it if you have any? I'll talk to an engineer friend > and see if this unit would be capable of driving the Tod and what size of > hydraulic motor I would need. > > Can you get it to a motor freight terminal or load it on a truck? > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Foundation > 2261 Hubbard Road > Youngstown, OH 44505 > 330-728-2799 > www.todengine.org > > William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine > Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:22 AM > Subject: [SEL] Hydraulic unit needs a new home > > > > Howdy all; > > I was given this fairly good sized commercial hydraulic unit, used > > for > > an elevator, and it's just taking up space. 3-phase, 15hp. 800 psi, ~2" > > outlet. Has the magnetic starter and a real razooo valving assembly. > > > > Unless someone can give me a good idea on how I can use it, I would > > like to find it a good home. I already have a nice hydra-pak so this is > > way overkill for me. > > > > The only BF I can come up with is "Driving the Tod." > > > > Approximate dimensions are about three footlockers/steamer trunks > > stacked. Pump, motor are submersed, with big reservoir. This is one > > unit. > > > > The price will be right as it was given to me. > > > > thanx fer readin' > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 13 23:32:27 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:32:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060413101958.00a90cc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <002001c65f8d$34498a20$9885dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Jerry.When your friend pulled the mag down did he remagnetise it after re assembly.If not it will need to be done as when you pull it apart it will loose a lot of its pull.Also check that the lead out isn't going to ground,a small crack and the spark will find the shortest way out. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:22 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question > Hi The list, > I'm having problems with the BTH Type M1 mag fitted to the Ronnie > N and, being totally ignorant about magneto's, I'm hoping some of you can > come up with ideas and information. > > When I first got the engine I did get it running with the mag but > the contact breaker spring was a bit stretched and would touch the body of > the mag and short out. I temporarily sorted this out with a strip of > insulating plastic but this wore out very quickly. A friend (who knows > these things and is not a fool) took the mag to sorted this out by > shortening the spring a little. He also cleaned up and serviced the mag and > skimmed the brass brush track. When he was finished the mag was producing a > nice strong spark. > > Now that the engine is reassembled I'm getting erratic results > again and the spark is pretty weak (the mag is well earthed to the engine > via the mounting bolts). Justin (my aforementioned friend) suspects that > the condenser in the armature is causing this problem but has never > stripped one of these. > I found a company in Britain who offers a "modern replacement" > condenser and have written to them asking for details regarding how to fit > the new condenser (does it need special equipment and suchlike) but have > not received an answer from them yet hence my letter to the list. > > Does anyone have any info on how to do this - can a skilled person > do this with normal tools or is any special equipment needed ? > It would also help if anyone knows what the values of this > condenser are and could tell me what to look and ask for and I could try to > source one locally. I'm not against ordering one from Britain but it would > be easier and quicker if I could get it locally. > > I do know that I could send the mag to England, Aus or the States > for repairs but unfortunately my budget does not allow for this. We have no > local companies able to fix these old mags. > > Of course any other ideas or suggestions regarding the working of > the magneto would also be appreciated. > > I have temporarily fitted a Wico mag to the engine and he is > "puttering away" beautifully but I would like to repair and replace the > original BTH - especially seeing as that as I went to so much trouble > polishing it up and removing the chrome to see polished brass :-) > > Thanks in advance. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 13 23:37:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:37:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060413101958.00a90cc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <003901c65f8d$d85def20$9885dccb@oemcomputer> Again Jerry.The condenser in this mag is in the end of the rotor and the bolt that holds the points in screws into it.Replacement is not real straight forward as wires need to be soldered and not being able to see the replacement not shore how it attached to the point screw. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:22 Subject: [SEL] BTH magneto question > Hi The list, > I'm having problems with the BTH Type M1 mag fitted to the Ronnie > N and, being totally ignorant about magneto's, I'm hoping some of you can > come up with ideas and information. > > When I first got the engine I did get it running with the mag but > the contact breaker spring was a bit stretched and would touch the body of > the mag and short out. I temporarily sorted this out with a strip of > insulating plastic but this wore out very quickly. A friend (who knows > these things and is not a fool) took the mag to sorted this out by > shortening the spring a little. He also cleaned up and serviced the mag and > skimmed the brass brush track. When he was finished the mag was producing a > nice strong spark. > > Now that the engine is reassembled I'm getting erratic results > again and the spark is pretty weak (the mag is well earthed to the engine > via the mounting bolts). Justin (my aforementioned friend) suspects that > the condenser in the armature is causing this problem but has never > stripped one of these. > I found a company in Britain who offers a "modern replacement" > condenser and have written to them asking for details regarding how to fit > the new condenser (does it need special equipment and suchlike) but have > not received an answer from them yet hence my letter to the list. > > Does anyone have any info on how to do this - can a skilled person > do this with normal tools or is any special equipment needed ? > It would also help if anyone knows what the values of this > condenser are and could tell me what to look and ask for and I could try to > source one locally. I'm not against ordering one from Britain but it would > be easier and quicker if I could get it locally. > > I do know that I could send the mag to England, Aus or the States > for repairs but unfortunately my budget does not allow for this. We have no > local companies able to fix these old mags. > > Of course any other ideas or suggestions regarding the working of > the magneto would also be appreciated. > > I have temporarily fitted a Wico mag to the engine and he is > "puttering away" beautifully but I would like to repair and replace the > original BTH - especially seeing as that as I went to so much trouble > polishing it up and removing the chrome to see polished brass :-) > > Thanks in advance. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 > Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. > www.oldengine.org/members/evans > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rsrolfne at atnet.net Fri Apr 14 13:35:17 2006 From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:35:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 From oldengine at comcast.net Fri Apr 14 14:12:04 2006 From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> Message-ID: <000801c66008$1502d5b0$6401a8c0@cc2319892A> Poor ol' girl got put out in the cold! http://old-engine.com/nunda.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Interesting > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 14 15:19:31 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:19:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> Message-ID: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say for Christs sake say it!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Interesting > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Fri Apr 14 15:58:03 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:58:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> I suppose it's an ebay item.Why people don't just cut and past the link to the item I just don't know.It makes it so mush easer to have a look. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:19 Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say > for Christs sake say it!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob W7AVK" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:35 AM > Subject: [SEL] Interesting > > > > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 14 16:46:38 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:46:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > I suppose it's an ebay item.Why people don't just cut and past the > link to > the item I just don't know.It makes it so mush easer to have a look. The reason is that an eBay link will wrap to two lines, and often doesn't show up as a clickable link. It's easier to go to http://ebay.com/ and paste in the item number than to try to piece together the cut-apart link. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 14 16:56:22 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:56:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1145058982.444036a65be4e@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as you've read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. See ya, Arnie PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! Quoting peter ogborne : > What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say > for Christs sake say it!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob W7AVK" > > > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 14 17:17:56 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:17:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Would you like to build an engine? Message-ID: <000901c66022$0cba0530$3ac10b52@no1> I know the majority of you cannot visit the Anson Engine Museum. (I think the only Yankee regular visitor is Arnie) Geoff Challinor has had the Museum web page re-built & provides a very good Jigsaw of one of the engines. It will pass an idle moment. If you are a real pervert it can be assembled from rotated jigsaw pieces. I think that would be beyond my capabilities. See http://www.enginemuseum.org/news.html See the entire site it is well worth it. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 14 17:25:55 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:25:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net><001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1145058982.444036a65be4e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00c701c66023$2a832f00$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Cabin Fever!! (Sigh) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > G'day Peter, > > I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. > The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as > you've > read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! > PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to >> say >> for Christs sake say it!!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob W7AVK" >> >> > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Fri Apr 14 17:36:23 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000201c66024$a0218bc0$8f128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> I've looked all my computer, document file, desktop, recycle bin and I just cannot find Check number 7609867335 any where. Help me to know where to look for this mystical number as it means nothing to me except taking up space on my e-mail program. Get real and fill us in on what the hell this means. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say for Christs sake say it!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W7AVK" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Interesting > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 14 18:00:06 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:00:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to say for Christs sake say it!!! = = = = = AMEN !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Apr 14 19:15:37 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:15:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> Maybe this will help. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sear ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: R & M Ingold > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/15/2006 3:26:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > Cabin Fever!! (Sigh) > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > > > G'day Peter, > > > > I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. > > The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as > > you've > > read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! > > PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to > >> say > >> for Christs sake say it!!! > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bob W7AVK" > >> > >> > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 19:28:34 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:28:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414222403.03b11480@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tim, If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to read the description! Dave At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >Maybe this will help. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sear >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 > >Tim Christoff > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 14 19:59:32 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:59:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414222403.03b11480@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-22006461521537328@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060414222403.03b11480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Here's an interesting guy with interesting views: http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0u9crejUw John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 20:00:42 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:00:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000201c66024$a0218bc0$8f128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000201c66024$a0218bc0$8f128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414225854.03b161c8@mail.alltel.net> >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us. Hi Lyle, Does this include the people in Iowa that were killed by the tornados today? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 20:06:12 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:06:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> >AMEN !!! > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, You just say that because it's Good Friday! Dave PS, Engines will be set up in front of the kitchen at Plow Days this year. Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 14 20:49:41 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:49:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - Plow Days In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1145072981.44406d5571108@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, Which side of the kitchen building is the front? See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Rotigel : > PS, Engines will be set up in front of the kitchen at Plow Days this year. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 15 03:08:59 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:08:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net><001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1145058982.444036a65be4e@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <004701c66074$a08e9710$a9c231cb@ogborneuah38i3> I just think that the list is now a defacto of Ebay Still that's just me. I had a nice little show today and hell we even had several beers after we had shut down !! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > G'day Peter, > > I'm sending this to you OFFLIST cos it's a deep dark secret. > The magic code word is..... eBay. Better burn your computer as soon as > you've > read this. We wouldn't want ...THEM... to get the secret code. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - It even involves a big ENGINE! > PPS - Imagine that? ENGINE stuff on the SEL. Will wonders never cease! > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to >> say >> for Christs sake say it!!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob W7AVK" >> >> > Interesting offering at the place. Check number 7609867335 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sat Apr 15 03:48:23 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414225854.03b161c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Yes and we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand why this has to happen. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us. Hi Lyle, Does this include the people in Iowa that were killed by the tornados today? Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Apr 15 05:00:22 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:00:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> "we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " ....................................................................... Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. mike From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 07:18:27 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:18:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - Plow Days In-Reply-To: <1145072981.44406d5571108@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20060414.210950.868.4.jlb94@juno.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060414230446.03b27b78@mail.alltel.net> <1145072981.44406d5571108@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415101644.03b56218@mail.alltel.net> The engines will be set up near the road across from the saw mill. I will have ropes and signs up. Dave At 11:49 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Which side of the kitchen building is the front? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Dave Rotigel : > > > PS, Engines will be set up in front of the kitchen at Plow Days this year. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 14 18:55:49 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:55:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looks Like Reg To Me! Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060414215454.01ea18f8@mail.alltel.net> See: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13519019,00.html Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Apr 15 07:59:59 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:59:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <20060415.111439.1204.1.jlb94@juno.com> Well - Happy Easter to you too ;-) Thanks for the info on the engines. See ya at the Plow Days. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Apr 15 08:07:05 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:07:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Plow Daze Message-ID: <20060415.111439.1204.2.jlb94@juno.com> See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I would say it's the left side looking at the entrance - but then - It could be the right end looking at the side or - The right end looking at the back. Hope to see ya there. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Apr 14 20:09:46 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:09:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - eBay URL's In-Reply-To: References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 04:46 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >>I suppose it's an ebay item.Why people don't just cut and past the link to >>the item I just don't know.It makes it so mush easer to have a look. John (and others), I have found that if you copy and paste only from the beginning of the URL to the end of the item number it works just fine. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335 rather than: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D7609867335%26fvi%3D1 Regards, Larry >The reason is that an eBay link will wrap to two lines, and often doesn't >show up as a clickable link. It's easier to go to http://ebay.com/ and >paste in the item number than to try to piece together the cut-apart link. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Apr 15 11:20:53 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:20:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Message-ID: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in and then I do my searching from there. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > Hi Tim, > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to read > the description! > Dave > > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: > >Maybe this will help. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sea r > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 > > > >Tim Christoff > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > > > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is something to > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006 From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 15 11:44:05 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:44:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - eBay URL's In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05ed6ca35de8f46b52843139fbc00450@chartertn.net> > John (and others), > I have found that if you copy and paste only from the beginning of the > URL to the end of the item number it works just fine. See: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335 > rather than: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch% > 2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D7609867335%26fvi%3D1 Thanks for the tip, Larry. In this case, it still involves cutting from 2 lines and pasting them. Easier just to go to eBay and paste in the number, I think. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 12:22:43 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415151333.03bb8e90@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tim, I know that you are a conservative and, therefore, unlike some on the List do NOT expect others to do your work for you. Therefore a few tips: 1.) Bookmark e-bay 2.) When a number shows up copy it 3.) Hit the e-bay bookmark 4.) Paste the number into the e-bay where it says :Start New Search" 5.) Click on "Search" 6.) BINGO! I'm sure that you will agree that the fact that you have old phone lines and a dial up connection in no way provides support for an argument that someone else should do your work for you. Dave PS, Don't worry that the person who complained about numbers will attempt 1-6 (above.) That would take the ability to read and reason! At 02:20 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows >up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took >me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number >in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines >it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to >click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages >to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main >page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in >and then I do my searching from there. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Dave Rotigel > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > > > Hi Tim, > > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know > > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to >read > > the description! > > Dave > > > > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: > > >Maybe this will help. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sea >r > > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 > > > > > >Tim Christoff > > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > > > > > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is >something to > > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 4/14/2006 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 12:24:37 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:24:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - eBay URL's In-Reply-To: <05ed6ca35de8f46b52843139fbc00450@chartertn.net> References: <44400785.3060106@atnet.net> <001501c66011$849eada0$edb431cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002301c66016$e4c1f020$a085dccb@oemcomputer> <6.0.1.1.2.20060414200000.02e39410@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <05ed6ca35de8f46b52843139fbc00450@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415152329.03be1538@mail.alltel.net> >Thanks for the tip, Larry. In this case, it still involves cutting from >2 lines and pasting them. Easier just to go to eBay and paste in the >number, I think. >John Culp You are right John--and only a LIBERAL would expect others to do their work for them! Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 15 15:49:05 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:49:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Off List and bloody OT Message-ID: <004d01c660de$d087e150$64f830cb@ogborneuah38i3> BTW Arnie ....off list means that ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 15 18:45:08 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:45:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Message-ID: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone has one. I think it is a 5 HP. Thanks From b2 at chooka.net Sat Apr 15 19:38:49 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:38:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine In-Reply-To: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <200604152139478.SM02784@wrbpc> I might be able to help, Paul; I have a few carbs around and that's the vintage of engine I worked on at a shop whilst in college. There are a lot of subtle differences in the carbs, especially on the Tecumseh line, but finding one that will work even if it's not quite right shouldn't be too hard. Do you have a carb core, or is the carb just plain missing? I'd have to go visual in looking for one, so if you could send me a pic of the engine with or without the carb core that would help. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA b2 at chooka.net Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:45 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone has one. I think it is a 5 HP. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 15 19:43:29 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:43:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Off List and bloody OT In-Reply-To: <004d01c660de$d087e150$64f830cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <004d01c660de$d087e150$64f830cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060415224049.01e8ca10@mail.alltel.net> At 06:49 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >BTW Arnie ....off list means that ! >Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Are you trying to contact Arnie off List? if so he can be contacted at: fero_ah at city-net.com Dave PS, Have you see what's at 6969696969? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 15 21:19:18 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:19:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting - OT In-Reply-To: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <1145161158.4441c5c653b6b@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Lyle, No need to wait for "someday" to understand why people die in natural disasters. It's simple English. Natural - an event that can be expected to happen; like New Orleans flooding when hurricanes hit and trailer parks getting shreaded in tornado alley. Disaster - Lotsa folks get killed. The sad part is that folks choose to put themselves in the path of "Natural Disasters" year after year. If you live 12 feet below sea level on the Gulf coast, you should NOT be surprised when you get wet. If you live in a trailer park in tornado alley, you better own ruby slippers and a dog named Toto. The equally sad bit is that folks moan about how they can't understand "the Lords ways" when it comes to natural disasters or other events. Perhaps, there's a far simpler solution; shit happens. There's an old principle, Occam's Razor, that should be applied to such deep philosophical musings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor Some prefer the simplier version - KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. Basically, the concept is to go for the simplest explanition for an event, don't needlessly complicate it. Going for a bunch of all powerful, invisible critters as the reason that everything happens is a classic case of overly complicating things. Especially if you're gonna moan about not understanding the complication you introduce. KISS! See ya, Arnie PS - The VERY BEST place to engage in deep discussions of mumbo jumbo is over on Slick Willy. This is a list similar to the SEL except that such discussions are welcomed there. This tries to be an engine list. PPS - When your engines quit running, do you throw up your hands and moan about "not understand the Lords ways" or do you check to see if you've run out of gas? Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Lyle DeWitt Myles : > Yes and we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never > question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from > natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand why this has to > happen. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 15 21:28:32 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:28:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tray Cooled Engines Message-ID: <1145161712.4441c7f014777@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I'm considering building a tray cooling setup for my Bessemer half-breed. Does anyone have any pics of tray cooled engines that show the different setups that were used? Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 15 22:04:33 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:04:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tray Cooled Engines In-Reply-To: <1145161712.4441c7f014777@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1145161712.4441c7f014777@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4441D061.80807@scrtc.com> Arnie, Here's a very poor quality photo of my Columbus engine that has a tray cooling system. If you look close you can see it in back of the flywheels. The trays are about 9 inch in dia. and the bottom of each pan looks like it has had nail holes punched in it. Probably 50 or so nail holes in each. I can get some better photos if this is the type system you're looking for. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30210971&p=71153102 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Folks, > >I'm considering building a tray cooling setup for my Bessemer half-breed. Does >anyone have any pics of tray cooled engines that show the different setups that >were used? Thanks. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 16 01:56:02 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:56:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Columbus Message-ID: <20060416085602.HGCO19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Spent a bit of time on the Columbus today. I found there were a lot more parts than I thought but still a lot missing. Nearly all of the bottom end of the engine is there and I am seem to be only missing the ignitor and exhaust valve linkages as well as the ignitor, carby/intake assembly, the crankcase door and the name plate. It looks like the engine was originally a dark red/ maroon colour with green flywheels. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/columbus1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 16 05:11:37 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:11:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email Message-ID: <00c701c6614e$ea01aec0$f4d64c0c@D48VHZ61> If Ted is reading or if anyone has his email adress handy, could you please contact me off list. Thanks, John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Apr 16 06:20:28 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:20:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> Good Morning Paul, Special Greetings today! I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at it yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone has one. I think it is a 5 HP. Thanks _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MBellar at aol.com Sun Apr 16 07:35:08 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:35:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tray Cooled Engines Message-ID: <3c4.2a4f87.3173b01c@aol.com> Arnie; Send me your snail mail address off list and I will send you a CD ROM of cooling system pictures I have collected. The files are too large to send by dial up e-mail. Tom Bellar -------------------------------1145198108 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From MBellar at aol.com Sun Apr 16 08:15:40 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:15:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine Message-ID: <3c9.2aefcb.3173b99c@aol.com> Ed, I have a HH70 140056E 7 HP engine with a fist sized hole in the crank case where the rod came through. You can have the carb,air cleaner, governor Etc. off of if they will work on your 6 HP. Tom Bellar -------------------------------1145200540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From sel at antique-engine.com Sun Apr 16 09:01:51 2006 From: sel at antique-engine.com (sel) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:01:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000801c66008$1502d5b0$6401a8c0@cc2319892A> Message-ID: <200641612151.892064@compaq-pc> Hi Harry, The engine from Nunda, NY. is fully restored and in a nice engine building at the Alexander show grounds. It's a big hit when they run the 3 cylinder Fairbanks at the show. It does look just like the one on ebay. Take care... Craig On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:12:04 -0400, Harry wrote: >?Poor ol' girl got put out in the cold! > >?http://old-engine.com/nunda.htm > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 16 09:23:03 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:23:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2> <009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> Message-ID: <008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > Good Morning Paul, > > Special Greetings today! > > I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups > and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? > > I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at it > yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > > > Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my > Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was > purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 > 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone > has one. I think it is a 5 HP. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 16 09:23:50 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:23:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from >natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " > >....................................................................... > >Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. > > mike Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 16 10:00:16 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:00:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: > Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the > people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD > people and must pay for their sins! Chapter and verse to which you refer, Dave? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 16 10:13:24 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:13:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. Message-ID: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection since last year. The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 MB) Regards, -- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 16 10:29:02 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:29:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c6607a$1f4378f0$ec978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <4440E056.1020508@comcast.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416132802.03e33740@mail.alltel.net> At 01:00 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >>Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >>people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD >>people and must pay for their sins! >Chapter and verse to which you refer, Dave? >John Culp The ones that say that God kills BAD people before their time! Dave From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Apr 16 12:10:13 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:10:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the New Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as we have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and she was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are in HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting on me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass it along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from >natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " > >....................................................................... > >Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. > > mike Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Apr 16 12:15:20 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:15:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416132802.03e33740@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000101c6618a$1b33d280$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> As this goes to show you have no idea where in the Bible such a claim is made. It sounds good to you so you think it is true. Again since you a read this passage, let us know where it is so we do not spend days searching for something that is not in the Bible. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting At 01:00 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >>Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >>people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD >>people and must pay for their sins! >Chapter and verse to which you refer, Dave? >John Culp The ones that say that God kills BAD people before their time! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 16 14:04:47 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:04:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <20060416210447.05025627822@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Hi Guys' PLEASE take this OFF LIST. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle DeWitt Myles Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:10 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the New Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as we have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and she was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are in HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting on me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass it along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away from >natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " > >....................................................................... > >Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. > > mike Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 16 14:29:10 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:29:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email In-Reply-To: <00c701c6614e$ea01aec0$f4d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <20060416212913.467E49B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi John, Put ignitors in your search box. That will bring up several sights. Scroll down to Egnitors Homepage. That's Ted's web page. His Email address is at the end. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:12 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email If Ted is reading or if anyone has his email adress handy, could you please contact me off list. Thanks, John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Apr 16 14:55:17 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:55:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <01ba01c661a0$bf55ca10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Take this over to Slick Willie list please. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's > answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the > New > Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be > forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad > people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as > we > have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and > she > was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away > just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to > help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe > that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are > in > HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting > on > me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found > this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper > than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass > it > along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is > upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away > from >>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >> >>....................................................................... >> >>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >> >> mike > > Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people > that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and > must pay for their sins! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 15:29:38 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:29:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Dave ....we are now back hopefully on the ''Straight and Narrow''........no more Ginger Groups ,New and Old Testaments etc.We had a small show at Denmark ,45 Km down the road . A nice very old Mc Donald Diesel and a Fairbanks Morse look-alike. I have sent Rob Skinner an image hoping he can identify it for us. That lawn mower , I had an message from someone here who has one exactly the same but it was made in Australia by Technico , not Qualcast. Our little show at Denmark was great ....minimum fencing ,tractors running ,kids climbing all over them ,the billie boiling, lots of old cockys saying ''I had one of those ,might still be in the shed'' and we finished it of with a slab of beer! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "Old Engine" Cc: "atis" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:13 AM Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. >I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection >since last year. > The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO > They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric > engines made in the 1890,s. > I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. > (First time I have tried it for video) > See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over > 4 MB) > Regards, > -- > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 16 15:33:31 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:33:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover email References: <00c701c6614e$ea01aec0$f4d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <005d01c661a5$cb6f1270$68d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Thanks guys. John From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 16:18:17 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:18:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <01ba01c661a0$bf55ca10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <003d01c661ac$0e52bb90$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit chat , and other such non engine related subjects..............just click on Interesting ,then ..subject and see the garbage that has come up!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Take this over to Slick Willie list please. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:10 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > > >> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's >> answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the >> New >> Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be >> forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad >> people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as >> we >> have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and >> she >> was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away >> just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to >> help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe >> that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are >> in >> HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting >> on >> me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you >> found >> this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper >> than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass >> it >> along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil >> is >> upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. >> >> Lyle Myles >> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >> has >> given each and every one of us. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >> >> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away >> from >>>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >>> >>>....................................................................... >>> >>>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >>> >>> mike >> >> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >> people >> that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and >> must pay for their sins! >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 17:40:47 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:40:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? > > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual > orientation thing meant to confuse and thus control the masses? > I guess I'm neither - I'm good-old-fashioned hetro with none of this PC > mumbo-jumbo made-up by the press garbage so they can explain things they > simply do not understand. > Ya, everytime the press simply doesn't get or understand something, they > feel the need to coin a new phrase. And we all know what the press is, so > there, that explains it! > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > Back home in the outback you're the one girl I know > But up here in Sydney they come and they go > How daintilly and gaily they skip down the street > And when I look at them I think of you and your size eleven feet > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > The boomerang is an Australian device > You sling it away and it's back in a trice > It's harder to lose than a cold in the head > And when I think of it I think of you, and errck, enough said > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > The outback is dry and the sun, how it bakes > You're pestered by insects and bitten by snakes > They reckon it's a land that lives under a curse > And when I think of it I think of you, and that makes it worse > > Down under in the outback you wait patiently > There are more sheep than people down under in the outback > So don't wait for me > > Bill > Runnells, Iowa, USA > Down by the river where the deer and the bunnies play and whoopie the > old-fashioned way > >> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >> the >> table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like >> to >> ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they >> Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still a >> bit of Metro hanging in there. >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From avanti_64 at juno.com Sun Apr 16 17:50:06 2006 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:50:06 GMT Subject: [SEL] Maine Antique Power Assn. 2006 Engine Raffle Message-ID: <20060416.175034.706.327735@webmail40.lax.untd.com> Greetings All: Tickets are on sale for our 2006 Engine Raffle. Thanks again to Ed Rhodes for donating the engine and to Ed and his team for the all the hard work in restoring it. They did a great job and it runs like a top! Thanks, Joe Kelley, President Go to the website and click on the link at the top and you'll see the flyer! www.oldengine.org/members/mapa/ ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 17:53:11 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:53:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3><4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <004401c661b9$50b6f750$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> I am sorry about bringing this up again ...it was a mistake and I have replied to Bill in a convivial manner Off List Apologies ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > >> Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? >> >> rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual >> orientation thing meant to confuse and thus control the masses? >> I guess I'm neither - I'm good-old-fashioned hetro with none of this PC >> mumbo-jumbo made-up by the press garbage so they can explain things they >> simply do not understand. >> Ya, everytime the press simply doesn't get or understand something, they >> feel the need to coin a new phrase. And we all know what the press is, so >> there, that explains it! >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> Back home in the outback you're the one girl I know >> But up here in Sydney they come and they go >> How daintilly and gaily they skip down the street >> And when I look at them I think of you and your size eleven feet >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> The boomerang is an Australian device >> You sling it away and it's back in a trice >> It's harder to lose than a cold in the head >> And when I think of it I think of you, and errck, enough said >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> The outback is dry and the sun, how it bakes >> You're pestered by insects and bitten by snakes >> They reckon it's a land that lives under a curse >> And when I think of it I think of you, and that makes it worse >> >> Down under in the outback you wait patiently >> There are more sheep than people down under in the outback >> So don't wait for me >> >> Bill >> Runnells, Iowa, USA >> Down by the river where the deer and the bunnies play and whoopie the >> old-fashioned way >> >>> Ok , I think the time has come for all SEL members to lay their cards on >>> the >>> table. It would be good to know what we are dealing with so I would like >>> to >>> ask all members to just let us know if they are Metro Sexual or are they >>> Rural Sexual. For my part I am becoming Rural Sexual but there is still >>> a >>> bit of Metro hanging in there. >>> Peter Ogborne >>> Little Grove ,Albany >>> West Australia >>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 16 17:57:24 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:57:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. In-Reply-To: <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <1145235444.4442e7f4d6e8a@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, OK, I'm officially totally confused. Just minutes ago you posted the following... "If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit chat, and other such non engine related subjects.............." Now you post a VERY long, rambling, utterly irrelevant post (without added comment) from back in March. Have you totally lost your rag mate? See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? > > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Sun Apr 16 18:15:04 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <20060416210447.05025627822@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001601c661bc$5c50c160$111f7546@mycomputer> Religion can make normal people crazy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > Hi Guys' PLEASE take this OFF LIST. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle DeWitt > Myles > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:10 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > > This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's > answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the > New > Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be > forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad > people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as > we > have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and > she > was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away > just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to > help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe > that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are > in > HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting > on > me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you found > this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper > than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass > it > along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil is > upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away > from >>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >> >>....................................................................... >> >>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >> >> mike > > Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people > that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and > must pay for their sins! > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 16 18:20:55 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:20:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060416122115.03e193d0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4s3lvb$dej8ri@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the people that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and must pay for their sins! Dave Nah,your having us on again Dave. You are still posting so that's proof enough for me :D _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 16 18:26:10 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:26:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. Message-ID: <20060416.212611.1092.0.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent pics Dave, I have a question that I'm curious about. I get all but a few of the pics in the thumbnail page. But - THe few are a blank thumbnail with a small X in the left upper corner. When I click on the X, I can view the larger pic on a Webshots page but when I click back to the thumbnails, I get the blank square with the X again. Anyone know why ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 16 18:37:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:37:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> <003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> Peter, What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different takes on how the museum is established and operated. One was that its somewhat of a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, etc. Another person told me that it was more or less a private set up and in the control one or very few individuals. I have no ideal and was just curious. They certainly have some nice old iron there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the >> collection since last year. >> The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO >> They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden >> Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. >> I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. >> (First time I have tried it for video) >> See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, >> over 4 MB) >> Regards, >> -- >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Sun Apr 16 19:10:56 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:10:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. In-Reply-To: <1145235444.4442e7f4d6e8a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000201c661c4$2a8d5eb0$38968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> When I first signed up for this list I became very upset that it seemed that the list members talked about everything but engines. It was suggested several times that if you do not like what is listed, delete it. Guys, I almost dropped from this list but came to understand that it is nice for a group of men and women to have a place to chat back and forth about different topics. I have several interests besides old engines and it is nice when someone comes up with something in other areas that could help another list member. Yes there are times when the strings seem totally out of text for a site like this but again the sharing should be considered the important thing. I just hope that the members who have a gripe because we talk of other things than engines may in time find something that helps them in other areas and they thank themselves for not dropping off the list. Not to be funny but I am right now. If a string bothers you, then do as I was told several times in the beginning, HIT THE DELETE KEY AND READ THE NEXT MESSAGE. As with any site, there is bond to be garbage and well as information that is helpful. It's up to each list member to sort out his interests and try to be more of an understanding nature when someone has something to say that is not to your liking. This is a great site with great members and we should never forget this or the hard work it takes to make this site tick. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. G'day Peter, OK, I'm officially totally confused. Just minutes ago you posted the following... "If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit chat, and other such non engine related subjects.............." Now you post a VERY long, rambling, utterly irrelevant post (without added comment) from back in March. Have you totally lost your rag mate? See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > > > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? > > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Apr 16 19:14:13 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:14:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <000001c66189$64a05200$cb968a41@cats4d7ae9feb8><01ba01c661a0$bf55ca10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <003d01c661ac$0e52bb90$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <01e901c661c4$a9b4a3b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Point taken. Outa here. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit > chat , and other such non engine related subjects..............just click > on Interesting ,then ..subject and see the garbage that has come up!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > >> Take this over to Slick Willie list please. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:10 AM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting >> >> >>> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's >>> answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the >>> New >>> Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be >>> forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only >>> bad >>> people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth >>> as we >>> have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and >>> she >>> was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed >>> away >>> just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to >>> help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me >>> believe >>> that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are >>> in >>> HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven >>> waiting on >>> me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you >>> found >>> this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes >>> deeper >>> than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass >>> it >>> along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil >>> is >>> upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. >>> >>> Lyle Myles >>> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >>> has >>> given each and every one of us. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >>> Rotigel >>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >>> >>> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>>>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away >>> from >>>>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >>>> >>>>....................................................................... >>>> >>>>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >>>> >>>> mike >>> >>> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >>> people >>> that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and >>> must pay for their sins! >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 19:28:04 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1><003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003001c661c6$91a4e6c0$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Tommy ...I hesitate to say this but I suppose it is engine related . I have never been to Anson ,Dave Croft will fill you in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > Peter, > What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different takes on > how the museum is established and operated. One was that its somewhat of > a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, etc. Another person > told me that it was more or less a private set up and in the control one > or very few individuals. I have no ideal and was just curious. They > certainly have some nice old iron there. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >>> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection >>> since last year. >>> The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO >>> They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden >>> Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. >>> I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. >>> (First time I have tried it for video) >>> See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, >>> over 4 MB) >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> Dave Croft >>> Warrington >>> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 16 19:30:43 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. References: <000901c64684$e7272ed0$b1f631cb@ogborneuah38i3><4205.165.206.180.19.1142254115.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><002d01c661b7$94fee500$61cc31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <1145235444.4442e7f4d6e8a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003501c661c6$f078b820$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> It appears that you see only what you want to . As I said that re posting was a mistake and I dully apologised ,I would guess that even YOU have made a mistake now and then. I think you shoot from the hip Arnie just take a breather ,read the posts and don't be so bloody ready to jump in. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. > G'day Peter, > > OK, I'm officially totally confused. Just minutes ago you posted the > following... > > "If this goes to Slick Willie so too should .....one liners , idle chit > chat, > and other such non engine related subjects.............." > > Now you post a VERY long, rambling, utterly irrelevant post (without added > comment) from back in March. > > Have you totally lost your rag mate? > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT....lay your cards on the table. >> >> > Oh, good. Are we playing pitch, or is this a fellows poker game? >> > rural and metro what? Huh? Is this some new-fangled left-slanted sexual > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 16 20:01:40 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:01:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <003001c661c6$91a4e6c0$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1><003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> <003001c661c6$91a4e6c0$800c29cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <44430514.1000803@scrtc.com> Peter, Yes, that message was meant for Dave. I apologize for posting it to you. I had read quite a bit of back and forth info on the list in the last bit and for some reason had your name in my head Peter. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy ...I hesitate to say this but I suppose it is engine related . I > have never been to Anson ,Dave Croft will fill you in. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > > >> Peter, >> What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different >> takes on how the museum is established and operated. One was that >> its somewhat of a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, >> etc. Another person told me that it was more or less a private set >> up and in the control one or very few individuals. I have no ideal >> and was just curious. They certainly have some nice old iron there. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >>>> I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the >>>> collection since last year. >>>> The pictures are at >>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO >>>> They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden >>>> Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. >>>> I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first >>>> start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) >>>> See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov >>>> (Warning, over 4 MB) >>>> Regards, >>>> -- >>>> Dave Croft >>>> Warrington >>>> http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage >>>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>>> > From ocleveland at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 16 20:22:58 2006 From: ocleveland at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:22:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <20060416210447.05025627822@mx-in01.mail-abuse.org> <001601c661bc$5c50c160$111f7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <00cc01c661ce$39db52f0$68f1a518@SKIP> Religion is to make crazy people normal. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Religion can make normal people crazy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:04 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting > > >> Hi Guys' PLEASE take this OFF LIST. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lyle DeWitt >> Myles >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:10 PM >> To: 'The SEL email discussion list' >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Interesting >> >> This is supposed to be an engine list but I must answer this gentleman's >> answer to why we are taken before our time. First you need to reread the >> New >> Testament and you will see that the Lord has provided a way for us to be >> forgiven of our sins. If we went by your logic and believed that only bad >> people die by the Lords hands then there would be no one left on earth as >> we >> have all fallen short of the glory of God. My mother died of cancer and >> she >> was a Christian and prayed up until the day she died. My wife passed away >> just over a year ago and she was a good person and would do any thing to >> help any one. She also was a Christian and you will never make me believe >> that the promise the Lord made to us was false and that my love ones are >> in >> HELL. I know my father, mother, my wife and friends are in heaven waiting >> on >> me as I also am a Christian. I'd like to know where in the Bible you >> found >> this information as I'm sure if you read the whole passage it goes deeper >> than what you believe. When you make false statements like this and pass >> it >> along to people who do not have an understanding of our Lord, then evil >> is >> upon you. I'm not judging you only the words you speak that are untrue. >> >> Lyle Myles >> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >> has >> given each and every one of us. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:24 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >> >> At 08:00 AM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>"we may not always understand the Lords ways but we should never >>>question His love for us. It is sad for the people who have passed away >> from >>>natural disasters and I'm sure someday we will understand " >>> >>>....................................................................... >>> >>>Amen to that, Lyle. Bad things do happen to good people all the time. >>> >>> mike >> >> Sorry mike--can't agree with you. The Bible says, clearly, that the >> people >> that God takes "before their time' (ie 3 score and 7) are BAD people and >> must pay for their sins! >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 17 02:05:33 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:05:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1><003301c661a5$435219f0$cfca31cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4442F150.6040303@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002501c661fe$16be8550$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > Peter, > What is the set up on the Anson Museum? I've heard different takes > on how the museum is established and operated. One was that its > somewhat of a "Historical Association" with a board of directors, etc. > Another person told me that it was more or less a private set up and in > the control one or very few individuals. I have no ideal and was just > curious. They certainly have some nice old iron there. > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, This could be dangerous for you! I first met Les Cawley about 30 years ago. He lived on the site of an old coal mine on a hill & he had been collecting engines for all his life. Not just a "Johhny Come Lately" like the rest of us. When I visited he took me out in the woods & showed me Engines I had only dreamed of, just covered with tarpaulins amongst the trees. He told me of his dreams of a stationary engine museum on the old coal mine site. It was 20 years ago this summer that the foundations were dug for the first hall at the museum. The museum opened to the public 17 years ago and over that time it has changed and developed to be an award winning attraction in Cheshire. Les died 3 years ago & left the museum to Geoff Challinor who had been Les's close friend & helper for many years. I do not know the full financial situation but it is obvious to all the people who help the museum that it isn't being done as a profit making enterprise. Why did I say this could be dangerous for you? Because your collection reminds me of Les's all those years ago & look what happened when Les retired. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Apr 17 03:12:29 2006 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:12:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Sherwood Oiler Message-ID: <041720061012.28289.44436A0D00063CBF00006E81219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Trying to find out info on Sherwood Oilers for a good friend not on this list. He has one and is trying to understand how they work. thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 17 05:15:59 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day Message-ID: <004b01c66218$b0df5000$f385dccb@oemcomputer> Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum where I am a member.They have some real nice engines and the 3 of us that look after them spent the day showing them to the public that came through.We ran the 5Hp Richard Hornsby Portable oil engine all day and it went real good.We also ran a 3Hp inter M.3Hp Wolseley sheep shearing plant and a 2Hp Roseberry engine on a very original concrete mixer.I took my 3.5Hp Sta-Rite out for it's first run since it came into my possession and it ran without missing a beat for 6 hrs.A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting in the autumn sun telling tales(mostly true) EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 17 04:02:27 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <20060417110224.PMLL24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Great photos of a nice collection Dave. The video of the atmospheric engine is really good. I like the excitement of the people :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection since last year. The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 MB) Regards, -- Dave Croft From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 17 07:07:30 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. Message-ID: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Guys, So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as well. I haven't melted them out yet. Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? I really need some good advice here! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 17 07:12:04 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Get in touch with Craig Prucha. He's done videos of several of his major engine restorations. One of them (I forget which one) covers all of the details of setting up, damming, shimming, and pouring a full set of bearings in place. Why reinvent the wheel when you can learn from the master? See ya, Arnie On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a > question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on > pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the dummy > shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just lowers. > But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at the same > time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser hole. How > will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal tight > dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I thinking both > would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers poured first, then > the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? > I really need some good advice here! From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 07:44:40 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:44:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? Message-ID: I have a few items that I'm hoping some of you can identify for me. Some type of pump is pictured here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-408s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-409s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-410s.jpg The cylinder pivots as the handle is moved up and down. Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Next is another pump. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-411s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-412s.jpg The inlet is at the very bottom and the outlet it at the top near the handle. A piece of metal is attached to the plunger rod and must mix some type of liquid as the handle is moved up and down? Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Last is a head for some type of engine. It is quite large, about 12.5 inches in diameter. Appears to take a spark plug at the front of the head. I'm hoping to identify it so I can find a home for it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-413s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-414s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-415s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-416s.jpg Any help is appreciated. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 17 07:52:26 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:52:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> Curt, I have poured some bearings but I'm sure there are others that have a great deal more experience and can give you better advice. On smaller engines (6 HP or less), I've poured both the top and bottom at the same time. I do this by laying the engine base on its side with the shaft perpindicular to the ground. I've used the Babbittrite putty to build around the shaft to seal it off on the bottom side and use it to make a dam around the top. I then heat the shaft base a bit (not real hot though) and pour it. I usually make my shims out of asbestos gasket material for the pouring purpose. I've had good luck doing it this way. On larger engines, I've cheated a bit. I make (or purchase if its a standard size) brass bushings that fit the shaft perfectly. I then mill out about an 1/8 inch on each side attach them to the shaft with 1/8 asbestos gasket material between the halves. I use a real fine brass wire to hold it all together. I then place them in the frame of the engine and level the base so that the break line of the bushing half is parallel with the floor. I use some jack stands I have with a small screw jack on top to position the crank (or shaft) properly. I should mention that I also tin the brass halves with solder after I split them in order for the babbitt to adhere to the brass. I then dam them up with Babbittrite and pour and. I heat the item a bit bit putting a little heat on the frame of the engine and the shaft. However, if I'm pouring in a base that has some original paint and don't want to damage it, I've poured them cold and haven't noticed a significant issue by doing this. I pull the top half off, scrape or file the babbitt flush on the sides of the bushing (between the bushing and the base), place in my asbestos shims and pour the top half. This sounds a lot more complicated than it actually is. If you account for the time you use scraping and fitting the crank to the babbitt bearings, the way I've done it is actually faster I think. One good thing about using the brass halves, they give you a great bearing surface and are all polished up and ready to use not long after pouring the babbitt. I've been long winded here but thought I would share this with you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Guys, > So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am working > on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. Looking at > the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as well. I haven't > melted them out yet. > Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a > question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on > pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the > dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just > lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at > the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser > hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal > tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I > thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers > poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? > I really need some good advice here! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 17 09:17:06 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4443BF82.2080704@imc-group.com> Tommy, These are both very clever ideas! In both suggestions are you using a dummy shaft instead of the crankshaft? Interesting that you have experienced no problems even with the engine base cold. The Magnolia Bearing book is very specific about the temperatures of the base, the dummy shaft, and the babbitt temperature. I always worry about overheating and cracking an engine base in such a localized area like the bearing bosses when attempting to reach the temperatures Magnolia recommends. For certain I will attempt much cooler per your recommendation. Do you brighten and use the tinning flux on the cast iron bosses? Curt Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, > I have poured some bearings but I'm sure there are others that have > a great deal more experience and can give you better advice. On > smaller engines (6 HP or less), I've poured both the top and bottom at > the same time. I do this by laying the engine base on its side with > the shaft perpindicular to the ground. I've used the Babbittrite > putty to build around the shaft to seal it off on the bottom side and > use it to make a dam around the top. I then heat the shaft base a bit > (not real hot though) and pour it. I usually make my shims out of > asbestos gasket material for the pouring purpose. I've had good luck > doing it this way. > > On larger engines, I've cheated a bit. I make (or purchase if its > a standard size) brass bushings that fit the shaft perfectly. I then > mill out about an 1/8 inch on each side attach them to the shaft with > 1/8 asbestos gasket material between the halves. I use a real fine > brass wire to hold it all together. I then place them in the frame of > the engine and level the base so that the break line of the bushing > half is parallel with the floor. I use some jack stands I have with > a small screw jack on top to position the crank (or shaft) properly. > I should mention that I also tin the brass halves with solder after I > split them in order for the babbitt to adhere to the brass. I then > dam them up with Babbittrite and pour and. I heat the item a bit bit > putting a little heat on the frame of the engine and the shaft. > However, if I'm pouring in a base that has some original paint and > don't want to damage it, I've poured them cold and haven't noticed a > significant issue by doing this. I pull the top half off, scrape or > file the babbitt flush on the sides of the bushing (between the > bushing and the base), place in my asbestos shims and pour the top > half. This sounds a lot more complicated than it actually is. If you > account for the time you use scraping and fitting the crank to the > babbitt bearings, the way I've done it is actually faster I think. > One good thing about using the brass halves, they give you a great > bearing surface and are all polished up and ready to use not long > after pouring the babbitt. I've been long winded here but thought I > would share this with you. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >> Guys, >> So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am >> working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. >> Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as >> well. I haven't melted them out yet. >> Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a >> question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on >> pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the >> dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just >> lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at >> the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser >> hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal >> tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I >> thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers >> poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? >> I really need some good advice here! >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 17 09:23:37 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4443C109.6070300@imc-group.com> Hi Arnie, Great suggestion! You let me copy several of Craig's videos a few years back and I'll need to look thru those to see if the babbitt pouring is covered. Like the points cleaning thread and condenser test thread, there are several methods that apparently work, so I'd still be interested in hearing from others on your methods to successful pours in upper caps. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Get in touch with Craig Prucha. He's done videos of several of his major >engine restorations. One of them (I forget which one) covers all of the >details of setting up, damming, shimming, and pouring a full set of >bearings in place. Why reinvent the wheel when you can learn from the >master? > >See ya, Arnie > >On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > > > From oiseming at moscow.com Mon Apr 17 09:28:24 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:28:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <000d01c66179$1334ead0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200604171628.k3HGSa6J087460@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:13 AM To: Old Engine Cc: atis Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection since last year. The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric engines made in the 1890,s. I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First time I have tried it for video) See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 MB) Regards, -- Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~~ Dave, I'm impressed! You did a great job with the camera! I'm curious about that Otto-Langen. Is it an atmospheric engine? It bears a slight resemblance to the Otto-Langen atmospheric, but this one has two flywheels and I don't see a rack and guide rods. Is this the next step in the evolution of the IC engine? Tx. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 17 09:46:42 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:46:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. In-Reply-To: <4443BF82.2080704@imc-group.com> References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> <4443ABAA.80508@scrtc.com> <4443BF82.2080704@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4443C672.3030800@scrtc.com> Curt, I've never used the tinning flux and have never had a problem with a bearing coming loose, etc. Many (maybe all) of the bearings I've poured have been into unmachined, raw cast bases. In most, they have had an indention area on the casting or have been spot bored into the cast surface to "lock" the babbitt in place. When I say I pour them cold, they are still quite hot. I distinctly remember pouring an 8 HP Type N Fairbanks several summers ago. I sat the base out in the sun for probably 5 hours before I made the pour. I don't know for sure but would gess it was probably 150 plus degrees when I poured the babbitt (it was hot enough that I didn't want to put my hand on it and leave it there). I usually use the crankshaft to pour around, especially with the larger engines. One reason is that you'll get the proper spacing on the distance between your mains that way. Another is that it saves me a great deal of time not having to "scrape in" the thrust surface of the c-shaft throw. I can see positive points to doing it with the crank or a straight shaft. I'm a bit lazy I guess. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > These are both very clever ideas! In both suggestions are you using a > dummy shaft instead of the crankshaft? > Interesting that you have experienced no problems even with the engine > base cold. The Magnolia Bearing book is very specific about the > temperatures of the base, the dummy shaft, and the babbitt > temperature. I always worry about overheating and cracking an engine > base in such a localized area like the bearing bosses when attempting > to reach the temperatures Magnolia recommends. For certain I will > attempt much cooler per your recommendation. Do you brighten and use > the tinning flux on the cast iron bosses? > Curt > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Curt, >> I have poured some bearings but I'm sure there are others that >> have a great deal more experience and can give you better advice. On >> smaller engines (6 HP or less), I've poured both the top and bottom >> at the same time. I do this by laying the engine base on its side >> with the shaft perpindicular to the ground. I've used the >> Babbittrite putty to build around the shaft to seal it off on the >> bottom side and use it to make a dam around the top. I then heat the >> shaft base a bit (not real hot though) and pour it. I usually make >> my shims out of asbestos gasket material for the pouring purpose. >> I've had good luck doing it this way. >> >> On larger engines, I've cheated a bit. I make (or purchase if its >> a standard size) brass bushings that fit the shaft perfectly. I then >> mill out about an 1/8 inch on each side attach them to the shaft with >> 1/8 asbestos gasket material between the halves. I use a real fine >> brass wire to hold it all together. I then place them in the frame >> of the engine and level the base so that the break line of the >> bushing half is parallel with the floor. I use some jack stands I >> have with a small screw jack on top to position the crank (or shaft) >> properly. I should mention that I also tin the brass halves with >> solder after I split them in order for the babbitt to adhere to the >> brass. I then dam them up with Babbittrite and pour and. I heat the >> item a bit bit putting a little heat on the frame of the engine and >> the shaft. However, if I'm pouring in a base that has some original >> paint and don't want to damage it, I've poured them cold and haven't >> noticed a significant issue by doing this. I pull the top half off, >> scrape or file the babbitt flush on the sides of the bushing (between >> the bushing and the base), place in my asbestos shims and pour the >> top half. This sounds a lot more complicated than it actually is. >> If you account for the time you use scraping and fitting the crank to >> the babbitt bearings, the way I've done it is actually faster I >> think. One good thing about using the brass halves, they give you a >> great bearing surface and are all polished up and ready to use not >> long after pouring the babbitt. I've been long winded here but >> thought I would share this with you. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >>> Guys, >>> So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am >>> working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. >>> Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as >>> well. I haven't melted them out yet. >>> Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a >>> question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on >>> pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the >>> dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing >>> just lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the >>> upper at the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the >>> greaser hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time >>> when metal tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and >>> lowers? I thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are >>> the uppers poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured >>> later??? >>> I really need some good advice here! >>> Curt Holland >>> Gastonia, NC >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 17 10:11:33 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:11:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. References: <200604171628.k3HGSa6J087460@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <001d01c66241$fba9e6d0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrin Iseminger" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:13 AM > To: Old Engine > Cc: atis > Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. > I had a good days visit today & found big improvements to the collection > since last year. > The pictures are at http://community.webshots.com/album/549540549KBFXwO > They were in the proccess of installing several Otto & Langden Atmospheric > engines made in the 1890,s. > I managed to get my camera to do a short video of the first start-up. (First > time I have tried it for video) > See http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/images/otto.mov (Warning, over 4 > MB) > Regards, Dave Croft > Dave, I'm impressed! You did a great job with the camera! > I'm curious about that Otto-Langen. Is it an atmospheric engine? It bears > a slight resemblance to the Otto-Langen atmospheric, but this one has two > flywheels and I don't see a rack and guide rods. Is this the next step in > the evolution of the IC engine? > Tx. Orrin Hi Orrin, yes they are atmospheric engines. AFAIK the large engine is the only one with 2 flywheels. See http://image55.webshots.com/55/9/4/71/2336904710028520097bCknRE_ph.jpg which is the smaller model & you can see the Rack. They will be getting this one running shortly. I do have another video of the engine running but it is a lot bigger. (6.6MB) You can see the rack shooting up. I will send it to you if you wish. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 17 10:26:09 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:26:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Today at the Anson Engine museum. In-Reply-To: <001d01c66241$fba9e6d0$3ac10b52@no1> References: <200604171628.k3HGSa6J087460@mail-gw.fsr.net> <001d01c66241$fba9e6d0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <4443CFB1.8010602@scrtc.com> Dave, There used to be one at the Ford Museum that looked just like it. Its not there now and is, I assume, in storage with many of the other items from their engine display. Send me the video if its not too much trouble. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > Hi Orrin, yes they are atmospheric engines. AFAIK the large engine is > the only one with 2 flywheels. > See > http://image55.webshots.com/55/9/4/71/2336904710028520097bCknRE_ph.jpg > which is the smaller model & you can see the Rack. They will be > getting this one running shortly. > I do have another video of the engine running but it is a lot bigger. > (6.6MB) > You can see the rack shooting up. I will send it to you if you wish. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 13:46:19 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:46:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2><009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> <008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> Message-ID: <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> Hi Paul, My web site deals with Tecumseh ignitions and charging systems. Since our HH 60 has a charging system, I thought I would add it to my site. How are you doing getting your engine squared away?? ED ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to defined > the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying > here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed stoller" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > > >> Good Morning Paul, >> >> Special Greetings today! >> >> I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups >> and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? >> >> I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at it >> yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. >> >> Ed Stoller >> New Fairfield, CT >> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >> >> >> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my >> Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was >> purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 >> 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if anyone >> has one. I think it is a 5 HP. >> >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 17 13:53:23 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine In-Reply-To: <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2><009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed> <008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> Message-ID: <2672.165.206.180.19.1145307203.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Remind me - I've got a lot of old Tecumseh stuff in the back of my garage - most dating to the 60's and 70's, and a crate of carbs - I can't recall what's there at all or where it came from - call me packrat.......... Bill > Hi Paul, > > My web site deals with Tecumseh ignitions and charging systems. Since our > HH > 60 has a charging system, I thought I would add it to my site. > > How are you doing getting your engine squared away?? > > ED > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Maples" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > > >> Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to >> defined >> the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying >> here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ed stoller" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >> >> >>> Good Morning Paul, >>> >>> Special Greetings today! >>> >>> I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups >>> and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? >>> >>> I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at >>> it >>> yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. >>> >>> Ed Stoller >>> New Fairfield, CT >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Paul Maples" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >>> >>> >>> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my >>> Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was >>> purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 >>> 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if >>> anyone >>> has one. I think it is a 5 HP. >>> >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 17 16:54:28 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:54:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Great day Message-ID: <3d3.4d36d5.317584b4@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/2006 8:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: << A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting in the autumn sun telling tales >> Edd, Any day running engines is indeed a great day! Took my 7 Economy to the local car cruise-in at the mall saturday night and as usual I had the only thing there running and had a great time explaining to folks what it was and how everything worked! Looking forward to my first engine show of the season at Reidsville, N.C. in a few weeks. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 17 18:17:23 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:17:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day References: <3d3.4d36d5.317584b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c66285$da595da0$5885dccb@oemcomputer> Yep Tom .And don't you get some entertaining questions! EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:54 Subject: Re: [SEL] Great day > In a message dated 4/17/2006 8:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: > > << A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting > in the autumn sun telling tales >> > > Edd, > > Any day running engines is indeed a great day! Took my 7 Economy to the > local car cruise-in at the mall saturday night and as usual I had the only thing > there running and had a great time explaining to folks what it was and how > everything worked! > > Looking forward to my first engine show of the season at Reidsville, N.C. in > a few weeks. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 18:42:00 2006 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060418014201.65963.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luke, This item, http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-410s.jpg looks like an air pump I have out in my engine shed someplace. I printed off, http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-408s.jpg If I can find mine tomorrow without spending half a day digging I will compare the writing and snap you a picture. Alan Luke Tonneberger wrote: I have a few items that I'm hoping some of you can identify for me. Some type of pump is pictured here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-408s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-409s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-410s.jpg The cylinder pivots as the handle is moved up and down. Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Next is another pump. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-411s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-412s.jpg The inlet is at the very bottom and the outlet it at the top near the handle. A piece of metal is attached to the plunger rod and must mix some type of liquid as the handle is moved up and down? Any ideas on what its intended use was for? Last is a head for some type of engine. It is quite large, about 12.5 inches in diameter. Appears to take a spark plug at the front of the head. I'm hoping to identify it so I can find a home for it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-413s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-414s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-415s.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-416s.jpg Any help is appreciated. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-543756843-1145324520=:65405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Luke,
This item,
looks like an air pump I have out in my engine shed someplace.
 
I printed off,
If I can find mine tomorrow without spending half a day digging I will compare the writing and snap you a picture.
 
Alan


Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
I have a few items that I'm hoping some of you can identify for me. Some
type of pump is pictured here:

 


The cylinder pivots as the handle is moved up and down. Any ideas on what
its intended use was for?


Next is another pump.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-411s.jpg


The inlet is at the very bottom and the outlet it at the top near the
handle. A piece of metal is attached to the plunger rod and must mix some
type of liquid as the handle is moved up and down? Any ideas on what its
intended use was for?


Last is a head for some type of engine. It is quite large, about 12.5 inches
in diameter. Appears to take a spark plug at the front of the head. I'm
hoping to identify it so I can find a home for it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/mvc-413s.jpg


Any help is appreciated.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

Blab-away for as little as 1?/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 17 19:01:35 2006 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:01:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine References: <00d201c660f7$65411330$240110ac@PAUL2><009001c66158$8824fea0$bc8ff504@Ed><008a01c66172$0a53ade0$240110ac@PAUL2> <018c01c6625f$fb891cc0$0da4f504@Ed> <2672.165.206.180.19.1145307203.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <023c01c6628c$065e61b0$0da4f504@Ed> Thanks Packrat, When you get too it, be on the look out for old ignitions too. The electronic ones for HH 120s are hard to find.. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine > Remind me - I've got a lot of old Tecumseh stuff in the back of my garage > - most dating to the 60's and 70's, and a crate of carbs - I can't recall > what's there at all or where it came from - call me packrat.......... > > Bill > >> Hi Paul, >> >> My web site deals with Tecumseh ignitions and charging systems. Since our >> HH >> 60 has a charging system, I thought I would add it to my site. >> >> How are you doing getting your engine squared away?? >> >> ED >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Maples" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >> >> >>> Ed I don't quite understand the comment you made below " I hope to >>> defined >>> the charging system and add it to my web site". What was you implying >>> here, my limited education fails me at this point, ha, ha. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ed stoller" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >>> >>> >>>> Good Morning Paul, >>>> >>>> Special Greetings today! >>>> >>>> I posted your message over to the Tecumseh and Troy Built tiller Groups >>>> and should at least get the part number. Would a carb rebuild kit help? >>>> >>>> I have the same tiller HH 60, 10509E, SN 4094R, and have not looked at >>>> it >>>> yet. I hope to defined the charging system and add it to my web site. >>>> >>>> Ed Stoller >>>> New Fairfield, CT >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Paul Maples" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:45 PM >>>> Subject: [SEL] Need Carb for Tecumseh Engine >>>> >>>> >>>> Folks I am trying to get a 40+ year old Troy Bilt Tiller to run that my >>>> Dad bought when I was a kid before I went into the Navy, I think it was >>>> purchased in the early 60's. It has a Tecumseh Engine on it Model HH60 >>>> 105090F Serial #6040D. I need a carb for this engine and wonder if >>>> anyone >>>> has one. I think it is a 5 HP. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 17 19:13:27 2006 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:13:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? Message-ID: <3b8.545263.3175a547@aol.com> Hi Luke, I'll take a shot at your first two: The first looks much like an old pump we used years ago in our school to pump air into basketballs. It would clamp to a table to hold it steady. The second is a bucket pump used for spraying fruit trees. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri -------------------------------1145326407 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Luke,
 
I'll take a shot at your first two:
 
The first looks much like an old pump we used years ago in our school t= o=20 pump air into basketballs.  It would clamp to a table to hold it=20 steady.
 
The second is a bucket pump used for spraying fruit trees.
 
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri
 From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Tue Apr 18 01:20:45 2006 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:20:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 25, Issue 17 References: <200604171600.k3HG0Am6031997@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <00c901c662c0$fe0b3cb0$0200a8c0@userfea17465b0> Take this over to Slick Willie list please. Could some kind soul please give me a link ...... Google searches have confused poor old me ..... 8^) Jim marshallman at iprimus.com.au Runnin' with the wind ...... 8^) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 04:32:27 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:32:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What Are These / Pumps and Engine Head?? In-Reply-To: <3b8.545263.3175a547@aol.com> Message-ID: Alan and Ron, Thanks for the response. I did an image search on google for barrel pump and came up with this picture: http://www.life.uiuc.edu/edtech/entomology_slides/images/31212-barrel-pump-innards.jpg The air pump must be an old one. I've never seen anything like it. Now if I can just get someone to identify what type of engine the head came off of......... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: MaytagTwin at aol.com > >Hi Luke, > >I'll take a shot at your first two: > >The first looks much like an old pump we used years ago in our school to >pump air into basketballs. It would clamp to a table to hold it steady. > >The second is a bucket pump used for spraying fruit trees. > >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 18 07:56:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Message-ID: Hi Folks, Since we've had some recent threads that weren't engine related or interesting Off-Topic threads, the suggestion was made by a number of folks that those threads would be best presented & debated on the Slick Willy List. For those of you who weren't around at the time, a former US President (Slick Willy Clinton) was into abusing the women around him. In particular, he was especially fond of getting blow jobs from one of the White House interns; Monica (Presidential Kneepads) Lewinski. Naturally, Slick Willy being slick denied everything. This in turn lead to much distracting political ranting that got in the way of enjoying old engines. Jim Dunmyer stepped up and setup the Slick Willy List. It's an email list just like the SEL and Old Engine. It's the proper place for discussions of religion, politics, abortion, guns, liberals, creation "science", etc. Unlike the engine lists, there isn't anything that's "OFF TOPIC." It can also be pretty rough if your thinking is fuzzy (which is usually the case for political liberals & religious zealots). See below for the simple instructions for signing up for Slick. I hope to see you there (and NOT pushing the above topics on the engine lists). See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:53:12 -0500 From: Jim Dunmyer Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 18 09:44:39 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Hot Tube Size ? Message-ID: Hi Folks, One of this summer's projects is converting a 1-1/2 hp IHC "M" to run on propane with hot tube ignition. Since I hate to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have any suggestions on a suitable hot tube length to start with? I'm thinking along the lines of 1/8" or 1/4" Schedule 80 black pipe for the experiments, switching to stainless steel once I settle on a length. Maybe 4" long to start with? ISTR that some folks building their own hot tubes tapped the end of the nipple for a suitable screw then welded or brazed the joint. Any comments on hot tube construction? Finally, does anyone have a nifty home-made burner / chimney design that they would care to share? One of the inspirations for this project was the hot tube Suffolk Colt engine that Jim French built after being similarly inspired by a hot tube Briggs & Stratton at Portland 2005. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/htsc.htm Thanks folks!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 18 12:02:38 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> It's time to replace the flooring on my engine/tractor hauling trailer. After five years the original flooring is weak. What is the preferred decking material? I have not thought much about metal, though that is certainly an option. Wood is generally more forgiving. I am considering treated 2"x 8"x16'. Another possibility is oak from the local sawmill. It would be green and I wonder about the thickness after it is seasoned. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 13:29:04 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:29:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Hot Tube Size ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie, Burns and Horner sells a ready made hot tube with chimney and valve and everything that is a universal design that could be modified for almost any situation! So go ahead and spend some of those nuclear dollars and help out old John, and save yourself a lot of work too! Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List , Old >Engine , OFES > >Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> Hot Tube Size ? >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:44:39 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Folks, > >One of this summer's projects is converting a 1-1/2 hp IHC "M" to run on >propane with hot tube ignition. Since I hate to reinvent the wheel, does >anyone have any suggestions on a suitable hot tube length to start with? > >I'm thinking along the lines of 1/8" or 1/4" Schedule 80 black pipe for >the experiments, switching to stainless steel once I settle on a length. >Maybe 4" long to start with? ISTR that some folks building their own hot >tubes tapped the end of the nipple for a suitable screw then welded or >brazed the joint. Any comments on hot tube construction? > >Finally, does anyone have a nifty home-made burner / chimney design that >they would care to share? > >One of the inspirations for this project was the hot tube Suffolk Colt >engine that Jim French built after being similarly inspired by a hot tube >Briggs & Stratton at Portland 2005. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/htsc.htm > >Thanks folks!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 16:15:28 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:15:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer References: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Gary ; The treated wood or oak would be the least expensive but if you are going to drag things on and off you floor it would be prone to gouging and wearing , steel sheet would be more durable but the price and added weight maybe minus , the best flooring I have used is called Appaton (not sure if I spelled it right ) we use it on our semi flatbed trailers and dry vans and most semi trailers use it , it is imported and expensive but will take all the abuse you can give it , it lasts about 15 years on our flatbeds , if you have any trailer manfuracturing plants near you call them and check the price , Just a thought and maybe overkill Rex Hinz Beer Is Good , Beer Is Real Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer > It's time to replace the flooring on my engine/tractor hauling trailer. > After five years the original flooring is weak. What is the preferred > decking material? I have not thought much about metal, though that is > certainly an option. Wood is generally more forgiving. I am considering > treated 2"x 8"x16'. Another possibility is oak from the local sawmill. > It > would be green and I wonder about the thickness after it is seasoned. Any > recommendations? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Apr 18 17:09:20 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:09:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it is to late. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 17:11:49 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:11:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer References: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000501c66345$db0d6820$6400a8c0@home> Gary, I spelled it wrong its spelled APITONG and it comes from the tropics ----- Original Message ----- From: "rex002" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Decking for trailer > Gary ; > The treated wood or oak would be the least expensive but if you are > going to drag things on and off you floor it would be prone to gouging and > wearing , steel sheet would be more durable but the price and added > weight maybe minus , the best flooring I have used is called Appaton (not > sure if I spelled it right ) we use it on our semi flatbed trailers and > dry vans and most semi trailers use it , it is imported and expensive but > will take all the abuse you can give it , it lasts about 15 years on our > flatbeds , if you have any trailer manfuracturing plants near you call > them and check the price , Just a thought and maybe overkill > > Rex Hinz > Beer Is Good , Beer Is Real Good > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Epps" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:02 PM > Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer > > >> It's time to replace the flooring on my engine/tractor hauling trailer. >> After five years the original flooring is weak. What is the preferred >> decking material? I have not thought much about metal, though that is >> certainly an option. Wood is generally more forgiving. I am considering >> treated 2"x 8"x16'. Another possibility is oak from the local sawmill. >> It >> would be green and I wonder about the thickness after it is seasoned. >> Any >> recommendations? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Gary >> In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >> the >> USA, where both life and I move slowly. >> >> In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >> the USA, where both life and I move slowly. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From mullt at att.net Tue Apr 18 17:53:52 2006 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:53:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites Message-ID: <041920060053.2993.44458A20000092F200000BB121603760219B04049A03@att.net> I also think the moderator, if there is one, should do a better job of keeping off topic posts off the list. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 17:56:27 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home> Hi Lyle, I guess you have your nose to deep in the bible to be able to see a little humor , even I who don't own a bible (don't need one as my Grandmother read it over and over to us as young men) saw it as a joke and nothing else , I hate to see you leave the list but I feel if you see us all as Hypocrites then so be it , I know what was said but it can't be true , I am 61 and a bad person and Hypocrite and still alive , Rex Hinz Beer is still good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite > pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as > time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I > listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or > a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know > what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to > certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots > say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who > think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that > someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before > it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Apr 18 18:02:53 2006 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:02:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer In-Reply-To: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> References: <01c601c6631a$ad46b6b0$5b83fb40@gary> <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060418175649.05a49ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Gary, The wood Rex is referring to is Apitong. My brother has a trailer that we decked with apitong planks that were salvaged from a railway box car. They are over 2 inches thick and about 5 inches wide and are tongue and groove. Being old wood there was no shrinkage and it has held up over the years quite well. Tale a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/trailer/ to see what it looks like. Regards, Larry At 04:15 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Gary ; > The treated wood or oak would be the least expensive but if you are > going to drag things on and off you floor it would be prone to gouging > and wearing , steel sheet would be more durable but the price and added > weight maybe minus , the best flooring I have used is called Appaton (not > sure if I spelled it right ) we use it on our semi flatbed trailers and > dry vans and most semi trailers use it , it is imported and > expensive but will take all the abuse you can give it , it lasts about > 15 years on our flatbeds , if you have any trailer manfuracturing plants > near you call them and check the price , Just a thought and maybe overkill > >Rex Hinz Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 18 18:08:06 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:08:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Great day Message-ID: <31a.346d084.3176e776@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, edsingns at winsoft.net.au writes: << And don't you get some entertaining questions! >> Oh yes you sure do!! I have a number of big signs up explaining what it is, what they were used for, and even one that is the original sales literature from Sears and Roebuck selling the complete saw rig which mine is. The invariable question is "What is it??" Tom From rex002 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 18 18:14:48 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:14:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting References: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060415151333.03bb8e90@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003201c6634e$a7e724a0$6400a8c0@home> Dave ; Thanks bud ! I just tried to cut and paste like you said ! Now I have a big hole in my LCD monitor ! I'll be waiting for you in Aug !!! Rex ; ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > Hi Tim, > I know that you are a conservative and, therefore, unlike some on > the List do NOT expect others to do your work for you. Therefore a few > tips: > 1.) Bookmark e-bay > 2.) When a number shows up copy it > 3.) Hit the e-bay bookmark > 4.) Paste the number into the e-bay where it says :Start New > Search" > 5.) Click on "Search" > 6.) BINGO! > I'm sure that you will agree that the fact that you have old phone lines > and a dial up connection in no way provides support for an argument that > someone else should do your work for you. > Dave > PS, Don't worry that the person who complained about numbers will attempt > 1-6 (above.) That would take the ability to read and reason! > > At 02:20 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows >>up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took >>me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number >>in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines >>it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to >>click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages >>to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main >>page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in >>and then I do my searching from there. >> >>Tim Christoff >>Basehor Kansas >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: Dave Rotigel >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >> > >> > Hi Tim, >> > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know >> > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to >>read >> > the description! >> > Dave >> > >> > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >> > >Maybe this will help. >> > >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http://sea >>r >> > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 >> > > >> > >Tim Christoff >> > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : >> > > > > >> > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is >>something to >> > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: >> > 4/14/2006 >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Apr 18 18:14:46 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:14:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Come on Lyle, We might ramble around some but this is really rambling. Lets get back to engines and let this go. If you really want to go on after this then subscribe to the slick list where you can ramble to your hearts content. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it is to late. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 18 18:16:12 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:16:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <35a.2ec2aa9.3176e95c@aol.com> In a message dated 4/18/2006 3:26:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garyepps at fidnet.com writes: << What is the preferred decking material? >> Gary, I replaced 2 trailer decks last year. I used treated 2x8. The biggest problem is you can beat the boards in with a sledge hammer to make them absolutely tight side to side, and then shrinkage sets in so you end up with gaps. And if not bolted down a couple of places on the length, they can warp up too. This would even be worse with green oak. If a person had the time and clamps, it would be nice to purchase straight 2x8, lay them on edge and clamp together with lots of clamps. Stick them in a garage to dry out and shrink, then install them. Who has that time?? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 18 09:33:15 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:33:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Message-ID: <20060418.214403.1184.4.jlb94@juno.com> In reply to the Slick WIlly list. Why don't we just create a "List" for everybody on the list.? That way we can satisfy EVERYBODY as they sit there and talk to theirself. Hey - - - I don't care much for the religion stuff - but - I have a DELETE key. Why get upset ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 18 18:57:33 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:57:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <20060418.220648.1184.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Gary, I have only one thing to say. I used "Treated" 2x6's in the bed of my truck. I wound up with a floor of "Propellers". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Apr 18 19:29:35 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:29:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> I did not start this rambling and as I said in the beginning I to thought this was a site for engines and not every little thing a member could think of. I want to learn about old engines, how to fix them and rebuild someday something that most would think is junk. I do get carried away because I'm a Christian and it just rubs me wrong when someone misleads others that's all. So if we can stay on track just a little about engines then I would be happy. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Diane Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hypocrites Come on Lyle, We might ramble around some but this is really rambling. Lets get back to engines and let this go. If you really want to go on after this then subscribe to the slick list where you can ramble to your hearts content. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it is to late. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lyle45859 at netzero.com Tue Apr 18 19:31:16 2006 From: lyle45859 at netzero.com (Lyle DeWitt Myles) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:31:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> No I do not see that at all, just some who say one thing and do another. I think over all this list has a lot of fantastic members and I have learned a lot just in the few months that I have been a member. I do apologize to any member who thinks I meant them. The people I refer to know who they are and I'll leave it at that. Lyle Myles May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rex002 Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites Hi Lyle, I guess you have your nose to deep in the bible to be able to see a little humor , even I who don't own a bible (don't need one as my Grandmother read it over and over to us as young men) saw it as a joke and nothing else , I hate to see you leave the list but I feel if you see us all as Hypocrites then so be it , I know what was said but it can't be true , I am 61 and a bad person and Hypocrite and still alive , Rex Hinz Beer is still good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite > pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as > time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I > listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or > a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know > what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to > certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots > say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who > think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that > someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before > it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Apr 18 19:54:40 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:54:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <410-22006431925440234@earthlink.net> I've replaced 3 trailer decks with treated lumber and have never had a problem with twisting nor have I ever bolted them down in the center. Buy the lumber in the fall and put it in your barn until spring. Buy an extra board when you do this. It will dry out quite a bit during the winter and then install it when the weather warms. Once you have it in, set the trailer out in the sun for a week or so, it's a good idea to place something heavy in the center across all the lumber to keep it from moving. After a week the stuff will shrink and you can rip the extra peice to fit tight, place it in and keep it out of direct sunlight and you should not have any problems. After a month or so the sun won't cause it to move much and your set. If your set on putting bolts in the decking through to the frame, one row through the center will do since the ends are held in place by the channel frame. 2x8's will work better than 2x6's. 2x10's will be very hard to work with getting them to bend into the frame channels. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/18/2006 9:27:29 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Decking for trailer > > Hi Gary, > > I have only one thing to say. > > I used "Treated" 2x6's in the bed of my truck. > > I wound up with a floor of "Propellers". > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life > (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/317 - Release Date: 4/18/2006 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:13:58 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:13:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer In-Reply-To: <20060418.220648.1184.11.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060418.220648.1184.11.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418231302.03bbc348@mail.alltel.net> At 09:57 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Hi Gary, >I have only one thing to say. >I used "Treated" 2x6's in the bed of my truck. >I wound up with a floor of "Propellers". >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, That's TWO things! Dave From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 18 20:18:08 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:18:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <3847655.1145416688040.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> . If a person had the time and clamps, it > would be nice to purchase straight 2x8, lay them on edge and clamp together > with lots of clamps. Stick them in a garage to dry out and shrink, then install > them. Who has that time?? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ Tom, if you try this don't park it in the rain. J.B. Castagnos From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:30:28 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:30:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000601c6633d$fbcf4ea0$6400a8c0@home> <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418232454.01aa88d8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Lyle, Please don't use the word "s#it" on the List. Such public use of the word may not be offensive to you as a Christian, but I'm sure it offends others on the List who have a higher standard of values than do you! Dave At 08:09 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every >thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite pointedly >that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the >list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as time >went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing >from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I listen >to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when >some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a >nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their >garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know what >was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes >all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false >Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects >that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain >aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots say >good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think >that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday >you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just >maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it >is to late. > >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:33:54 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:33:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer In-Reply-To: <3847655.1145416688040.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> References: <3847655.1145416688040.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418233111.01ebc288@mail.alltel.net> At 11:18 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >. If a person had the time and clamps, it > > would be nice to purchase straight 2x8, lay them on edge and clamp > together > > with lots of clamps. Stick them in a garage to dry out and shrink, > then install > > them. Who has that time?? > > Tom Schmutz >Tom, if you try this don't park it in the rain. >J.B. Castagnos I rather like the "cracks" between the treated boards on my 18' tandem trailer. They allow the rain to run off, the oil to drip through and the dirt to shake through! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 20:56:52 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:56:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home> <000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> > The people I refer to know who they are and >I'll leave it at that. >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. Hi Lyle, Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 21:00:18 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:00:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites/Now OT and Lyle's hatred! In-Reply-To: <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235723.03c75420@mail.alltel.net> At 10:29 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: > I do get carried away because I'm a >Christian >Lyle Myles Hi Lyle, Most of us on the List have noticed this. It's a lot like what Muslims are saying on the lists to which they post! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 18 21:06:08 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:06:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Interesting In-Reply-To: <003201c6634e$a7e724a0$6400a8c0@home> References: <410-22006461518205362@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20060415151333.03bb8e90@mail.alltel.net> <003201c6634e$a7e724a0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060419000444.03c0e880@mail.alltel.net> Oh Darn, I forgot that you still work with scissors! Dave At 09:14 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >Dave ; > Thanks bud ! I just tried to cut and paste like you said ! Now I have > a big hole in my LCD monitor ! I'll be waiting for you in Aug !!! > >Rex > >; >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:22 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting > > >>Hi Tim, >> I know that you are a conservative and, therefore, unlike some >> on the List do NOT expect others to do your work for you. Therefore a few tips: >> 1.) Bookmark e-bay >> 2.) When a number shows up copy it >> 3.) Hit the e-bay bookmark >> 4.) Paste the number into the e-bay where it says :Start New Search" >> 5.) Click on "Search" >> 6.) BINGO! >>I'm sure that you will agree that the fact that you have old phone lines >>and a dial up connection in no way provides support for an argument that >>someone else should do your work for you. >> Dave >>PS, Don't worry that the person who complained about numbers will attempt >>1-6 (above.) That would take the ability to read and reason! >> >>At 02:20 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote: >>>Hi Dave, in a way I do agree with you in the fact that when a number shows >>>up like that it has always been an ebay number. On the other hand it took >>>me less time to send the hyperlink then it would have to type the number >>>in. With only being armed with dial-up running on 50 year old phone lines >>>it takes a bit longer to go to ebay to look up a number than it would to >>>click on a link (or cut and paste it). It usually takes me 2 extra pages >>>to look up the number as I don't have ebay bookmarked to go to the main >>>page but to start searching right away in a cat. that I am interested in >>>and then I do my searching from there. >>> >>>Tim Christoff >>>Basehor Kansas >>> >>> >>> > [Original Message] >>> > From: Dave Rotigel >>> > To: The SEL email discussion list >>> > Date: 4/14/2006 9:48:44 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting >>> > >>> > Hi Tim, >>> > If the IDIOT needs that then he is too STUCK ON STUPID to know >>> > that the hell it's a picture of, and too STUCK ON STUPID to be able to >>>read >>> > the description! >>> > Dave >>> > >>> > At 10:15 PM 4/14/2006, you wrote: >>> > >Maybe this will help. >>> > >>> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7609867335&ru=http:/ >>> /sea >>>r >>> > >ch.ebay.com:80/7609867335_W0QQfromZR41QQfviZ1 >>> > > >>> > >Tim Christoff >>> > > > > Quoting peter ogborne : >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> What's this bullshit? Next it will be code . If there is >>>something to >>> > > > >> say for Christs sake say it!!! >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: > >>> 4/14/2006 >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 19 03:02:52 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:02:52 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > >> The people I refer to know who they are and >>I'll leave it at that. >>Lyle Myles >>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >>has >>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > Hi Lyle, > Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they > will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them > enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 19 03:26:25 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:26:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <001701c6639b$b9cb7fc0$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> It is apparent that some of us have a deep seated problem ...could it be that their underpants are too tight or that something happened in their formative years . Lyle has made his feelings perfectly plain and you will never change him so why go on about it ? I personally don't give a stuff what he thinks but he does have the right to express his views. I was admonished about a posting ,I hit the wrong key and I guess that most of us have done that. I apologised but still received a message allegedly off list but of course it was on list, the writer could not resist the chance to have a go at me...does it worry me ,no way! We now have had a diatribe on Slick Willie , Bill Clinton ,Monika Lewin and God knows who else with some of the sordid details! I would say leave Lyle be . You know it is like a club I belong to ,there are a couple of dickheads in it as well they may be the cause of me leaving that club could be that I am expelled ,but that's another story............stay with us Lyle Lets give him some support and I don't mean joining his flock...he is interested in engines after all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > >> The people I refer to know who they are and >>I'll leave it at that. >>Lyle Myles >>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >>has >>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > Hi Lyle, > Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they > will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them > enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 19 04:50:02 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT In-Reply-To: <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I guess I always figured this is a list about stationary engines (and related equipment) it's a gathering place for people whose primary hobby/interest (well, besides the normal other interests) is engines. At least it's seemed like that for the past, what, 8 or 10 years or so.... That being said - if you go to an engine show or event or an auction where a collection of engines is being sold - do you walk away from friends if one of them suddenly starts talking about their new truck, or new baby/grandbaby, etc? In most cases, the topic will soon swing back to engines, but if you are at a show or whatever and go from crowd to crowd, group to group, and walk away from any where the topic is not solely engines, well, results could be lonely after a time. OK, so this is computer based and as such, there are limited resourcces for bandwidth (I'm on dial-up - no choice - and it can take 10 to 15 minutes to get my email in the evening) there is limited time to read messages, limited disk space, etc. We are human, and once in a while even those purists will slip up and need to talk about something else....... if you want the topic back on engines, then by all means, post something interesting you know or saw or ask a question about engines. Bill down by the river near Runnells, Iowa, USA > I did not start this rambling and as I said in the beginning I to thought > this was a site for engines and not every little thing a member could > think > of. I want to learn about old engines, how to fix them and rebuild someday > something that most would think is junk. I do get carried away because I'm > a > Christian and it just rubs me wrong when someone misleads others that's > all. > So if we can stay on track just a little about engines then I would be > happy. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 04:50:14 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:50:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: Lyle, I do not claim to be perfect, I'm far from it. I also make mistakes as I see you have by sending this message to the SEL(attached below). When you label youself as a christian and you speak in front of a group of 'non-belivers' they look to you as an example of a christianity. I think you should dust off your own bible and read James 3:3-12 specifically verse 10 and Colossians 3:8. After reading those verses please reread your post to the SEL below. Will you be going to the altar this Sunday? To get back on topic for what this list was created for...... I had a pastor and his family stop by our house Sunday afternoon so they could see my engines and watch one of them run. I pulled out the 8hp Stover and cranked it up for them. It didn't start up at first, but then it ran fine once I put some gas in it. Shirley had a good laugh because I'm known to run everything empty. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > >I listen >to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when >some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or >a >nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their >garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know >what >was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes >all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false >Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects >that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain >aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots >say >good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think >that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday >you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just >maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it >is to late. > >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 19 05:05:18 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:05:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm><000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <001501c663a9$89cffd10$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT >I guess I always figured this is a list about stationary engines (and > related equipment) it's a gathering place for people whose primary > hobby/interest (well, besides the normal other interests) is engines. > At least it's seemed like that for the past, what, 8 or 10 years or so.... > That being said - if you go to an engine show or event or an auction where > a collection of engines is being sold - do you walk away from friends if > one of them suddenly starts talking about their new truck, or new > baby/grandbaby, etc? In most cases, the topic will soon swing back to > engines, but if you are at a show or whatever and go from crowd to crowd, > group to group, and walk away from any where the topic is not solely > engines, well, results could be lonely after a time. > OK, so this is computer based and as such, there are limited resourcces > for bandwidth (I'm on dial-up - no choice - and it can take 10 to 15 > minutes to get my email in the evening) there is limited time to read > messages, limited disk space, etc. > We are human, and once in a while even those purists will slip up and need > to talk about something else....... if you want the topic back on engines, > then by all means, post something interesting you know or saw or ask a > question about engines. > > Bill > down by the river near Runnells, Iowa, USA > >> I did not start this rambling and as I said in the beginning I to thought >> this was a site for engines and not every little thing a member could >> think >> of. I want to learn about old engines, how to fix them and rebuild >> someday >> something that most would think is junk. I do get carried away because >> I'm >> a >> Christian and it just rubs me wrong when someone misleads others that's >> all. >> So if we can stay on track just a little about engines then I would be >> happy. >> >> Lyle Myles >> May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord >> has >> given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 19 05:35:55 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:35:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day In-Reply-To: <004b01c66218$b0df5000$f385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060419123548.RMVS1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Edd, Sounds like you had a great time playing with some nice engines. I am sure that all the tales that were told were true ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum where I am a member.They have some real nice engines and the 3 of us that look after them spent the day showing them to the public that came through.We ran the 5Hp Richard Hornsby Portable oil engine all day and it went real good.We also ran a 3Hp inter M.3Hp Wolseley sheep shearing plant and a 2Hp Roseberry engine on a very original concrete mixer.I took my 3.5Hp Sta-Rite out for it's first run since it came into my possession and it ran without missing a beat for 6 hrs.A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting in the autumn sun telling tales(mostly true) EDD PAYNE From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Apr 19 05:46:28 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:46:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to notice as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread will now go away. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:02 Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:56 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > > > > >> The people I refer to know who they are and > >>I'll leave it at that. > >>Lyle Myles > >>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > >>has > >>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > Hi Lyle, > > Did you take note of the 25 BAD people who God killed today? See: > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192216,00.html Where do you think they > > will end up "this beautiful day?" I'm not too sure that any of them > > enjoyed it--but I guess "enjoyment" is in the eye of the beholder! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Apr 19 06:06:07 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:06:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day References: <20060419123548.RMVS1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004101c663b2$068a6720$5185dccb@oemcomputer> It was good!.Question.Saw the promo for the Collectors on the ABC.They showed a bloke starting a Lister diesel.Do you know if there is a bit on engine collecting coming up. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:35 Subject: RE: [SEL] Great day > Hi Edd, > Sounds like you had a great time playing with some nice engines. I > am sure that all the tales that were told were true ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum where I > am a member.They have some real nice engines and the 3 of us that look after > them spent the day showing them to the public that came through.We ran the > 5Hp Richard Hornsby Portable oil engine all day and it went real good.We > also ran a 3Hp inter M.3Hp Wolseley sheep shearing plant and a 2Hp Roseberry > engine on a very original concrete mixer.I took my 3.5Hp Sta-Rite out for > it's first run since it came into my possession and it ran without missing a > beat for 6 hrs.A great day with good friends and some nice engines sitting > in the autumn sun telling tales(mostly true) > EDD PAYNE > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 19 05:43:29 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - SEMI-OT In-Reply-To: <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <00a801c6634e$a64f6da0$2e4f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000101c66359$1a322190$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <1289.165.206.180.19.1145447402.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, You are absolutely correct. Engine friendships are based on far more than simply engines. We discuss much at engine shows and other meetings and from time to time post such topics to the lists as well. It adds spice to life and provides additional dimensions to those we come to know via their posts. BUT... And it's a big BUT. Like your momma told you when you were a kid. "Son, when you're in that bar enjoying a beer, talk about anything, but leave the politics and religion at home." So it is with lists. Unmoderated topic-oriented lists (such as this one) operate by consensus. When a given topic crosses the line (as when Slick Willy was doing his thing in the oral office) or when folks begin to thump their bibles, or when folks go off the deep end on the latest idiocy on abortion or gun control, THAT is going beyond learning about a mate's new truck or his newfound passion for antique pipe organs. That's going OFF TOPIC. It's like letting a really stinky fart rip in an elevator. Sure you can do it, but let's face it, it's a damn rude thing to do. And THAT is why Jim Dunmyer setup the Slick Willy list. If someone feels the NEED to rip one, step off the elevator. Post it to Slick. We have great free-wheeling discussions over there (involving a great many of the folks who post to the engine lists). Nothing is sacred; any topic can be discussed and usually is. As I've said before, when you do post to Slick, if your thinking is fuzzy; if your logic is illogical, someone will likely hand you your head. But hey, if you ranted stupidly in a bar to a stranger, he'd likely put a beer bottle up your nose, so Slick is a kinder, gentler place in that regard. Now since I haven't seen any of these discussions over on Slick (YET), maybe folks need the instructions again. Political liberals & religious zealots are ESPECIALLY welcome. They have such fun, wacky ideas. 8-)) See below for the SIMPLE instructions for signing up for Slick. I hope to see you there and bring those discussions of religion, politics, abortion, guns, liberals, creation "science", etc. (and please do NOT post the above topics on the engine lists). See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I guess I always figured this is a list about stationary engines (and > related equipment) it's a gathering place for people whose primary > hobby/interest (well, besides the normal other interests) is engines. > At least it's seemed like that for the past, what, 8 or 10 years or so.... > That being said - if you go to an engine show or event or an auction where > a collection of engines is being sold - do you walk away from friends if > one of them suddenly starts talking about their new truck, or new > baby/grandbaby, etc? In most cases, the topic will soon swing back to > engines, but if you are at a show or whatever and go from crowd to crowd, > group to group, and walk away from any where the topic is not solely > engines, well, results could be lonely after a time. > OK, so this is computer based and as such, there are limited resourcces > for bandwidth (I'm on dial-up - no choice - and it can take 10 to 15 > minutes to get my email in the evening) there is limited time to read > messages, limited disk space, etc. > We are human, and once in a while even those purists will slip up and need > to talk about something else....... if you want the topic back on engines, > then by all means, post something interesting you know or saw or ask a > question about engines. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 19 06:23:28 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: Hi Lyle, Since it appears that you missed the earlier instructions on how to post to Slick Willy, I'll add them again. I've also copied this reply to Slick so that you can see how easy it is to actually take this crap over to a list where it can be debated to everyone's enjoyment. Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Lyle DeWitt Myles wrote: > This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Judging by your subsequent posts to the list on this topic, I'm guessing that the comments about this being your "last post" were made for rhetorical or dramatic effect. Would that be hypocrisy on your part? > I listen to Satin speak Ahhh, would that be a reference to the panties that someone said you appeared to have in a bunch? Damn. > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. And what does one do with all of the world's OTHER religions which do not in any way regard the bible as special, let alone truth? Generally speaking, those who persist in going over the edge for their particular flavor of religion are regarded as zealots. I do find it interesting that you equate zealotry with being nuts. On that point we do agree. > Any person in their right mind know what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, Again, you are fixated on your particular religion. You do realize that it's precisely this sort of religious intolerance that has lead to so many bloody wars? Why can't everyone just quietly worship whatever gods strike their fancy and we all just get along? As for me, the Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult is welcoming all new members and we NEVER say anything bad about any of the world's thousands of other religions (no matter HOW goofy they are). > There will be some of you idiots say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it > is to late. Lyle, did it ever occur to you that there are folks in other religions (or none at all) who find the concept of being prayed for highly offensive? Those who would be friends are sensitive to the beliefs of others. I look forward to this thread continuing on Slick Willy rather than SEL. And just in case anyone has still missed it, the instructions for joining Slick are.... Subject: Re: Slick Willy Sign-Up Process Send an email to slick-request at toltbbs.com with only: subscribe in the subject and/or body of the message. You'll receive a reply within a few minutes. Is the horse dead yet, or do we need to deliver a few more good whacks? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 19 06:46:59 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:46:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Decking for trailer Message-ID: <20060419.100520.1284.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Joe, That's TWO things! Dave = = = = = = Doesn't Ft. Allen need you somewhere ? ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 08:10:57 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:10:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419110550.039958e0@lbpinc.com> If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. Example Also, If you add a item to your watch list in ebay then the address get's shorter. Example. This Becomes This And as has been pointed out, it can be shortened to this. Frank I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. --Albert Einstein-- From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 18 21:19:27 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:19:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> Message-ID: <001301c66368$72f89480$82347246@mycomputer> Religion can make normal people very very angry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites > Several months ago when I joined this list I made a complaint about every > thing in the world was talked about but engines. I was told quite > pointedly > that if I did not like what was posted delete it or unsubscribed from the > list. I went along with the program thinking things would get better as > time > went by. This will be my last post due to the fact I do not like hearing > from Hypocrites. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I > listen > to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when > some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or > a > nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their > garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know > what > was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes > all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false > Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects > that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to > certain > aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots > say > good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who > think > that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that > someday > you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just > maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before > it > is to late. > > Lyle Myles > May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord > has > given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 19 10:09:53 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Edd, I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC edd payne wrote: >So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You >are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to notice >as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying >to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >will now go away. > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 19 11:06:19 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:06:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419110550.039958e0@lbpinc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419110550.039958e0@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060419140436.03cca748@mail.alltel.net> I don't know Frank. it seems to me that it's a lot easier to copy and paste the number (eg, 69696969) into an e-mail and send it off. Dave At 11:10 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these >at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. > >Example > > > >Also, If you add a item to your watch list in ebay then the address get's >shorter. > >Example. >This > > >Becomes This > >And as has been pointed out, it can be shortened to >this. > >Frank > >I want to know how God created the world. >I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, >in the spectrum of this or that element. >I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. >--Albert Einstein-- > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 19 11:06:27 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <001301c66368$72f89480$82347246@mycomputer> References: <000001c66345$8571f890$25978a41@cats4d7ae9feb8> <001301c66368$72f89480$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <2791.165.206.180.19.1145469987.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I always wondered why it didn't happen to me, then I GOOGLED the word "normal". Bill > Religion can make normal people very very angry. > > > > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 19 11:11:01 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:11:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email Message-ID: <20060419.111138.215.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Frank. That is good to know. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:10:57 -0400 Frank DeWitt writes: > If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of > > these at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. > > Example > > > > Also, If you add a item to your watch list in ebay then the address > > get's shorter. > > Example. > This > > > Becomes This > > > And as has been pointed out, it can be shortened to > this. > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 19 11:23:19 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:23:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <011101c663de$55f9c680$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, I would have answered if I knew the answer. I also was hoping for more response. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites Edd, I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC edd payne wrote: >So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You >are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >notice >as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying >to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >will now go away. > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 19 11:36:44 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <011101c663de$55f9c680$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> <011101c663de$55f9c680$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <2854.165.206.180.19.1145471804.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Dunno if this helps at all or not. I've never poured bearings - not sure I could or want to try. http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/bearing.htm Bill > Hi Curt, > > I would have answered if I knew the answer. I also was hoping for more > response. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > > Edd, > I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to > pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply > from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on > babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the > list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really > like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active > there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > edd payne wrote: > >>So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with >> engines.You >>are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >>notice >>as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for >> trying >>to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >>will now go away. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 11:41:51 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:41:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: HI Curt. I've been in conference with the other cloistered oyster brother about your bearings. His idea is so much easier that I'm sure everyone will want to use it. He just pours all his bearings out of JB Weld, It wears like babbitt, no heat, no bother, correct color, Your friends will be amazed at your skills. PS He asked to keep this a secret though so don't mention it to everyone! The other cloistered oyster. >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0400 > >Edd, >I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to pour >upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply from >Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on babbitt >pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the >list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really like >the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there if I >am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > >edd payne wrote: > >>So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with >>engines.You >>are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >>notice >>as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying >>to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >>will now go away. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 14:01:29 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:01:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419165630.039b0de8@lbpinc.com> This information came from a conservative. That means that you are under no obligation to use it or even to believe it. Now you know, or might know it, and if you want to send some one a link to a great non ebay web page it might be handy, or not. Up to you. (smile) I don't know Frank. it seems to me that it's a lot easier to copy and paste the number (eg, 69696969) into an e-mail and send it off. Dave At 11:10 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these >at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From ozhornsby at yahoo.com Wed Apr 19 15:15:53 2006 From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites In-Reply-To: <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> G'Day Curt Mate you need to pick a subject we know something about, as you are our resident EXPERT pattern maker WE need to learn from you. Your work is out standing Kerry PS. Happend many times before, just one idiot starting a OT subject that everyone wants a go at, the crap will soon finish. --- Curt wrote: > Edd, > I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a > request about how to > pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. > Although an excellent reply __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 19 16:38:00 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:38:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs How to put in email In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419165630.039b0de8@lbpinc.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419165630.039b0de8@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060419193655.03c748f8@mail.alltel.net> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you get Lyle to come out and play? Dave At 05:01 PM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >This information came from a conservative. That means that you are under >no obligation to use it or even to believe it. Now you know, or might know >it, and if you want to send some one a link to a great non ebay web page >it might be handy, or not. Up to you. (smile) > > >I don't know Frank. it seems to me that it's a lot easier to copy and paste >the number (eg, 69696969) into an e-mail and send it off. > Dave > >At 11:10 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote: > >If you put one of these at the beginning of your link < and one of these > >at the end > Then it will be "clickable and not fall apart. From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Apr 19 16:56:23 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net><000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3> <002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002301c6640c$dd655a70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Edd I was actually going to ask if you had any photos from the day for posting to the list. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with engines.You > are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to notice > as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying > to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread > will now go away. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > SEL mailing list > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 19 17:21:07 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:21:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <01bd01c66410$520cc220$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, Take a look at http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/bearing.htm Fake Shims: Temporary shims made of hardwood were used as all two piece bearings were poured as a unit. The hardwood shim was .125 in thickness and had four grooves cut on the surface that set against the crankshaft surface. These grooves allowed the molten metal to flow into the lower bearing space. The temporary wooden shims would be later replaced with metal shims when the engine was reassembled. It sounds like the babbitt was poured through the hole for the grease cup and allowed to run through cut outs in the wood shims. This would do top and bottom in the same shot. The wood shims are removed and the babbitt connecting the two bearing halves is cut away so the upper bearing can be removed. This is my take on it, maybe some others can read it and see what they think. To bad there are not any pictures. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" ; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Babbitt pouring question for an Alamo engine. Guys, So far all the babbitt I have poured is lowers. The Alamo I am working on will need the lowers poured and have melted them out. Looking at the uppers leads me to think they should be redone as well. I haven't melted them out yet. Have mostly completed the fixture to pour the lowers, but I have a question for you experts on how to do the uppers. I am planning on pouring the lowers around a dummy piece of 2" TG&P. Preheating the dummy shaft and the engine base/bosses is fairly easy when doing just lowers. But how does one heat the dummy shaft if doing the upper at the same time? I see how the upper could be poured thru the greaser hole. How will the lower cavity be poured at the same time when metal tight dams/shims are in place between the uppers and lowers? I thinking both would be poured at the same time??? Or are the uppers poured first, then the caps removed and the lowers poured later??? I really need some good advice here! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at etczone.com Wed Apr 19 17:26:34 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:26:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hypocrites - now back on topic! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c66411$14556440$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Luke, Been there done that! Remember a show last summer when I had to leave early in the evening. I filled my 1 1/2 Hercules with gas before leaving so it would be ready in the morning. What I didn't know was that after I left, my brother hooked it to his water pump display and pumped the engine until it was dry. Next morning, when I showed up, I spun the flywheels for about 30 minutes scratching my head as to why this always dependable engine wouldn't start! Finally, added "more" gas to what I thought was a full tank and it took right off. My brother and I both had a good laugh on this one when he showed up an hour later and explained! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:50 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: RE: [SEL] Hypocrites Lyle, I do not claim to be perfect, I'm far from it. I also make mistakes as I see you have by sending this message to the SEL(attached below). When you label youself as a christian and you speak in front of a group of 'non-belivers' they look to you as an example of a christianity. I think you should dust off your own bible and read James 3:3-12 specifically verse 10 and Colossians 3:8. After reading those verses please reread your post to the SEL below. Will you be going to the altar this Sunday? To get back on topic for what this list was created for...... I had a pastor and his family stop by our house Sunday afternoon so they could see my engines and watch one of them run. I pulled out the 8hp Stover and cranked it up for them. It didn't start up at first, but then it ran fine once I put some gas in it. Shirley had a good laugh because I'm known to run everything empty. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: "Lyle DeWitt Myles" > >I listen >to Satin speak through some list members that think a certain way and when >some one disagrees with them and they claim that the person is a zealot or >a >nut. No what they need to do is study their Bibles and not bring their >garbage and unbelief's to the list. Any person in their right mind know >what >was discussed back and forth was pure garbage and the person who believes >all bad people goes to hell will be leading the pack by spreading false >Words about our Lord. And it is not just the Bible, it is a lot a subjects >that do not have a darn thing to say about engines, shows or how to certain >aspect in engine repair and rebuilding. There will be some of you idiots >say >good riddance to me and I say good riddance to all you hypocrites who think >that your shit doesn't stink. I will pray for you in this life that someday >you will understand just what friendship is, and sharing your ideas. Just >maybe, yes just maybe some day you'll wake up and smell the roses before it >is to late. > >Lyle Myles >May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has >given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 19 18:12:12 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:12:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: Message-ID: <003701c66417$74cfaaf0$d16e8645@mikecomp> What can I say, I learned that trick from STEVE!!!!!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > HI Curt. I've been in conference with the other cloistered oyster brother > about your bearings. His idea is so much easier that I'm sure everyone > will want to use it. He just pours all his bearings out of JB Weld, It > wears like babbitt, no heat, no bother, correct color, Your friends will > be amazed at your skills. PS He asked to keep this a secret though so > don't mention it to everyone! The other cloistered oyster. > > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites >>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0400 >> >>Edd, >>I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to >>pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply >>from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on >>babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the >>list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really >>like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active there >>if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>edd payne wrote: >> >>>So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with >>>engines.You >>>are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to >>>notice >>>as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for >>>trying >>>to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread >>>will now go away. >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 18:16:33 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:16:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> Well as long as YOU ask. Grin I suspect Lyle is a great guy. I would like to meat him. In his defence, the love of God is so overwhelming that it makes you want to blab it to everyone you see. It is later after we have calmed down just a little, that we realize that God needs no defence, He can do it Him Self, and we are incapable of defendingHhim. Jesus was always ready to give an answer but never pushy. However, (big grin) if you WANT to know more, let's talk over on Slick. Frank ______________________________ ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you get Lyle to come out and play? Dave At 05:01 PM 4/19/2006, you wrote: >This information came from a conservative. That means that you are under >no obligation to use it or even to believe it. Now you know, or might know >it, and if you want to send some one a link to a great non ebay web page >it might be handy, or not. Up to you. (smile) I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. --Albert Einstein-- From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Wed Apr 19 18:32:28 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:32:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of days from me. :-) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Morris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > G'Day Curt > > Mate you need to pick a subject we know something > about, as you are our resident EXPERT pattern maker WE > need to learn from you. > > Your work is out standing > > Kerry > PS. Happend many times before, just one idiot starting > a OT subject that everyone wants a go at, the crap > will soon finish. > > --- Curt wrote: > >> Edd, >> I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a >> request about how to >> pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. >> Although an excellent reply > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 19 19:28:27 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:28:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Very well said Frank. If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > > It is later after we have calmed down just a little, that we realize > that God needs no defence, He can do it Him Self, and we are > incapable of defendingHhim. Jesus was always ready to give an answer > but never pushy. However, (big grin) if you WANT to know more, let's > talk over on Slick. > > Frank > > From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Apr 19 19:43:18 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:43:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Making spark plug parts. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419223057.01bb8698@lbpinc.com> Hi John. If you are taking Corning Macor it is machinable but just, Find out all you can about how to sharpen tools for it. and how to machine it before you begin. If at all possible, visit a shop that has done it. If not you will want to do a little machining on a small scrap to get used to it. Use LOTS of coolant. BTW You might want to look at castable ceramics as well, actually a ceramic rich Epoxy. Praise God Frank I got one for you. I need to rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 19 20:06:23 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:06:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Flywheel for 6 HP Tecumseh Message-ID: <020101c66427$6893b2d0$240110ac@PAUL2> Folks I am still trying to get the old early 60's Troy-Bilt tiller going. I took the flywheel off of the engine yesterday to look at the points since I did not have any spark and I found that the magnets on the inside of the flywheel had come loose and were just hanging onto the flywheel by the magnetism. They were not even in the original place as you could see where they use to me. I have taken some pictures of the flywheel and the ignition. I am also missing the metal points cover and the spring that holds the cover on. This is a HH60 6 Hp Tecumseh engine. http://community.webshots.com/photo/2521269680049103604NiWHKO The flywheel is 6-3/4" in diameter, approximately 2-3/4" thick measured from the end of one fin to the thickest part of the other side of the flywheel. The hole size at the front of the flywheel is 1/2" tapering up to 3/4" at the back. It is a cast iron flywheel. If anyone has one that I could obtain from you I would appreciate it very much as well as the points cover and retaining spring to hold the cover on. Many Thanks, Paul From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Apr 19 20:53:06 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:53:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff In-Reply-To: <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to work in a spark plug. John On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 01:38:47 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:38:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <004401c66456$3e47dd60$3f84dccb@oemcomputer> EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 01:28:44 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:28:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net><000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3><002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <002301c6640c$dd655a70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <004301c66456$3d754b20$3f84dccb@oemcomputer> No .Sorry Ron.It was a museum day and we just had a quiet day. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:56 Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > Edd > > I was actually going to ask if you had any photos from the day for posting > to the list. > > Ron > Canberra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > > > > So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with > engines.You > > are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to > notice > > as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for trying > > to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread > > will now go away. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > > SEL mailing list > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 01:40:16 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:40:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going to have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal choice. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to work in a spark plug. John On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Apr 20 01:57:18 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:57:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: <004401c66456$3e47dd60$3f84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008901c66458$6e213ed0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Ok here Edd Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: [SEL] test > > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 20 05:58:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:58:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally Message-ID: <20060420125800.DQSF1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I hope to see a few list members at the Hunter Valley Club's rally at Morpeth on the weekend. At the moment it looks like I will probably only be there on Saturday but it will still be fun. When I got home from work today I decided to give the mighty YC Stover a test run before loading and after 5 minutes of cranking gave up as the &*#%@#% piece of &%$@#$ would not start. So I took the dog for a walk, did the shopping, came home and poured some fresh fuel in the tank and the beautiful engine fired first hit and ran like a clock :) Nothing runs as sweet as a big throttler! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 20 06:28:15 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:28:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> RE: Morpeth Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c6647c$8a2fd270$0701a8c0@KAYE> Message-ID: <20060420132805.ECDF1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I had forgotten how long the fuel had been in the tank (since December). I find the premium keeps its kick a lot longer than the lower octane unleaded. The ignitor engines seem to be a lot more sensitive to stale fuel than the spark plug engines. The big Buzacott and the Challenge will start on fuel that has been sitting in their tanks for months and months while the Stover (obviously) and the R&Vs like fresh fuel to start. The 12hp R&V will happily run on fuel that has been sitting in its big base tank for ages but it will only start on fresh fuel. This is Australia Peter. Beer never stays around long enough to get stale! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Secret there Patrick is with unleaded crap petrol (gas) ONLY use fresh stuff, a week or two in the tin and it is useless on low compression engines. >From one who has the crank scars to prove it, like many others, nothing worse than cranking an engine and cranking cranking cranking cranking &*#%@#% just because of stale fuel. Nearly as bad and drinking stale beer ;-)) Peter, Oz From jhcullom at adelphia.net Thu Apr 20 07:34:26 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:34:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com> <01bd01c66410$520cc220$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <007501c66487$86b99670$6401a8c0@office> Hi fellas, question here from the back row. The keyway on the flywheel shaft on my 7hp Galloway is buggered up pretty badly, consequently I'm not able to tighten up the flywheel sufficiently. Is it common practice to build it up by welding & then to cut a new keyway? Thanks, John From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 20 09:04:43 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:04:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pouring cap babbitt. References: <000a01c6634c$174af310$6400a8c0@home><000201c66359$565c0c30$f0128d41@cats4d7ae9feb8><6.1.2.0.0.20060418235223.03beebc8@mail.alltel.net> <000701c66398$703e0790$8fc131cb@ogborneuah38i3><002501c663af$47aec320$5185dccb@oemcomputer> <44466EE1.1060307@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Aplogize Curt...you've ALWAYS been so helpful to me. Two ways that I know of: (1) Pour thru the greaser hole. Probably requires lifting the head end of the engine to level flat surfaces and puts the greaser hole exactly on top. I didn't use this process. (2) The "brass screw/locknut method" which I used. Requires drilling/taping small holes in the bearing cap. Now the cap can be clamped to the cs with proper alignment, cs and cap removed from base, cap/cs inverted and babbitt poured. I liked this method and seems to have worked well for me. Few more hours on the sawing outfit and I'll remove and inspect. I plugged most of the grease cup hole before the pour and drilled a hole later. The babbitt left in the hole will hopefully lock the upper bearing. You might just want to screw the greaser in and plug the small hole. Now your assured the grease cup is in tight enough. That IMO would be the simple way. I believe I used around 3/16ths worth of shim stock. Here's some pictures pard: http://community.webshots.com/album/450795558NLeJLC GOOD LUCK RickinMt. Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Hypocrites > Edd, > I feel your pain! A couple of days ago I posted a request about how to > pour upper mains on a engine. Got one reply. Although an excellent reply > from Tommy T, I was hoping for some additional in depth discussion on > babbitt pouring in upper caps. Perhaps there just is no one left on the > list.....maybe they've all left and gone to Harry's???? I don't really > like the format there, but may have to suck it up and be more active > there if I am going to satisfy my engine discussion aspiration.....sigh. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > edd payne wrote: > > >So sorry guys.I put up a post about having a great weekend with > >engines.You > >are all so preoccupied with of topic rambling that you didn't seam to > >notice > >as I only got one response.So I would like to give my apologies for > >trying > >to interrupt .If this post has the usual effect of me posting this thread > >will now go away. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 20 10:55:45 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:55:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking--Thank you Message-ID: <034001c664a3$aa6ec1f0$5b83fb40@gary> Thank you one and all who responded to my inquiry. It sounds like treated 2"x8"s are the way to go. Tim's suggestion of storing the lumber over the winter in the barn sounds good, but I didn't plan far enough ahead for that. Using oak is attractive, but I am not sure I can flex it into the channels after it seasons. Abitong sounds like I would never have to redeck in my lifetime. I presume it would be hard to find reasonably priced here in the Ozarks. I will use treated, ACQ I think, 2"x8"s installed as soon as I get them. I will buy an extra an extra 2"x6" for ripping and filling gaps later. Like you Arnie, I appreciate the fact that the spaces between the boards allow for water drainage, but small gravel and sticks lodge in them as well and can be an irritant so I think I will try to fill the spaces this time. Thanks again for your collective advice. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Apr 20 11:19:34 2006 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:19:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060420140753.045d1dd8@lbpinc.com> Thank you one and all who responded to my inquiry. It sounds like treated 2"x8"s are the way to go. ---------------------------------- Now that you have the decking figured out, how about tie downs. Long ago I saw a clever tie down. I think it came from Daves son? any way it consisted of a hold drilled through the deck every where they wanted a tie down. UNDER each hole was fastened a pipe flange. Three links of chain were passed through the hole in the pipe flange and the end links were clamped in a vice end to end and deformed until round. This setup gives a chain link that rests just below the surface of the deck until needed. then it can be pulled up and used. Frank "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw From jnyost at yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 09:45:28 2006 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair In-Reply-To: <007501c66487$86b99670$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20060420164528.61845.qmail@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, I have filled the old key way and then recut a new key way 180 degrees. You can weld them up but watch putting too much heat on the shaft. My 2 cents worth, Jim --- John Cullom wrote: > Hi fellas, question here from the back row. The > keyway on the flywheel shaft > on my 7hp Galloway is buggered up pretty badly, > consequently I'm not able to > tighten up the flywheel sufficiently. Is it common > practice to build it up > by welding & then to cut a new keyway? > Thanks, > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mholland at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 20 11:46:38 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites (Now Curt Metalcasting) In-Reply-To: <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> Message-ID: <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Rick let me know when he gets there. He never remembers to call home and has turned his cell phone off. Missy PS. Just checking to make sure a bear did not eat him last night. > Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of > days > from me. :-) > > Rick > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 20 12:06:27 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:06:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites (Now Curt Metalcasting) In-Reply-To: <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060420150430.03dafc08@mail.alltel.net> Hi Missy, This is off List. I'll see you tonight by 7;00 or so. It's nice of Devin's grandparents to have him stay at their place for a few days! Dave At 02:46 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >Rick let me know when he gets there. He never remembers to call home and >has turned his cell phone off. > >Missy > >PS. Just checking to make sure a bear did not eat him last night. > > > Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of > > days > > from me. :-) > > > > Rick > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Apr 20 12:53:54 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Hypocrites (Now Curt Metalcasting) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060420150430.03dafc08@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060419221553.8789.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01d801c6641a$498c5a20$bd161941@pengy> <1338.65.6.253.34.1145558798.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060420150430.03dafc08@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <1738.165.206.180.19.1145562834.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> SURE it is................ > Hi Missy, > This is off List. I'll see you tonight by 7;00 or so. It's nice > of > Devin's grandparents to have him stay at their place for a few days! > Dave > > At 02:46 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote: >>Rick let me know when he gets there. He never remembers to call home and >>has turned his cell phone off. >> >>Missy >> >>PS. Just checking to make sure a bear did not eat him last night. >> >> > Curt is going to be taking metalcasting lessons for the next couple of >> > days >> > from me. :-) >> > >> > Rick >> > >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 20 14:02:50 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:02:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. Message-ID: <20060420.170640.888.6.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Frank, I saw that system used on Arnie's trailer and have put them in my truck floor. They work great and do not obstruct the floor when not in use. Thanks Arnie. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 14:44:18 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:44:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com><00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61><1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <000f01c664c3$94823780$8e84dccb@oemcomputer> I have been using teflon on the rebuilding and making of igniters for years and have not had one failure.It has never melted or burned and many engines I have used it in have been throttle gov and run real hot.Many ign repairers in the US also us it.Some don't like it as it is fairly soft and less allowances are made the stationary electrode can tend to work loose.If you use glass filled teflon some of this problem is alleviated. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:40 Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going to > have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal choice. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > > Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable > substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to > work in a spark plug. > > John > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > > > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Thu Apr 20 14:47:25 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:47:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally References: <20060420125800.DQSF1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <001b01c664c4$03f39320$8e84dccb@oemcomputer> See you there.I am all loaded and ready to go.I am taking my 8hp Foos Jr portable. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:58 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally > I hope to see a few list members at the Hunter Valley Club's rally at > Morpeth on the weekend. At the moment it looks like I will probably only be > there on Saturday but it will still be fun. > When I got home from work today I decided to give the mighty YC Stover a > test run before loading and after 5 minutes of cranking gave up as the > &*#%@#% piece of &%$@#$ would not start. So I took the dog for a walk, did > the shopping, came home and poured some fresh fuel in the tank and the > beautiful engine fired first hit and ran like a clock :) > Nothing runs as sweet as a big throttler! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 20 14:54:17 2006 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:54:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking--Thank you References: <034001c664a3$aa6ec1f0$5b83fb40@gary> Message-ID: <000a01c664c4$f9eaf390$6400a8c0@home> Gary : If you got a table saw and someone to help do like I did on my trailer , I stood the boards on end and cut a 1/2 grouve the length of the board down the center of the thickness then I cut the board laying down which took a1/2 by 1/2 strip out , do the same on the other edge but on the bottom , start with a board grooved only on one side then both sides from there on , you will have an overlap on each board some what like tounge and groove , shrinkage won't be a problem ,water can drain out but very little can get in from wheel spray if you happen to haul a tarped load and no dirt and gravel can get in also some warped boards wont cause a problem , a little extra work but worth the time Rex Hinz > I will buy an extra an extra 2"x6" for ripping and filling gaps later. > Like you Arnie, I appreciate the fact that the spaces between the boards > allow for water drainage, but small gravel and sticks lodge in them as > well and can be an irritant so I think I will try to fill the spaces this > time. > > Thanks again for your collective advice. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From svsuzanne at copper.net Thu Apr 20 15:05:24 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair References: <4443A122.2090403@imc-group.com><01bd01c66410$520cc220$c84b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <007501c66487$86b99670$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000f01c664c6$8806ff60$78a40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> That's exactly how you do it John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Old Engine List" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair > > Hi fellas, question here from the back row. The keyway on the flywheel > shaft on my 7hp Galloway is buggered up pretty badly, consequently I'm not > able to tighten up the flywheel sufficiently. Is it common practice to > build it up by welding & then to cut a new keyway? > Thanks, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/2006 > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 16:56:31 2006 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:56:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com><00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61><1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <000f01c664c3$94823780$8e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011201c664d6$0cabc340$b0506e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Edd, Teflon on an ignitor sounds like a good choice to me, I expect it would last almost forever. I do not think it would stand up at all well as a ceramic replacement on a spark plug. The tip of the plug will far exceed 500 F. Probably never get close to that on an ignitor engine. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA , U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff I have been using teflon on the rebuilding and making of igniters for years and have not had one failure.It has never melted or burned and many engines I have used it in have been throttle gov and run real hot.Many ign repairers in the US also us it.Some don't like it as it is fairly soft and less allowances are made the stationary electrode can tend to work loose.If you use glass filled teflon some of this problem is alleviated. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:40 Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going to > have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal choice. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA , U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff > > > Teflon tubing was mentioned 7-8 years ago on this list as a workable > substitute for mica in ignitors. Don't see why that couldn't be made to > work in a spark plug. > > John > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:28 PM, John Hall wrote: > > > If anyone cares to talk engine stuff, I got one for you. I need to > > rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. They are > > built originally using Mica tubes and washers for insulators. Anybody > > come up with a more modern material you prefer for rebuilding > > plugs/igniters? I found some machinable ceramic but it ain't cheap!! > > My biggest concern when choosing an alternative material is that I > > don't know how much heat I need to withstand. Anybody have any idea > > how hot it gets inside the combustion chamber of a "working" engine? > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 20 17:10:24 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:10:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. Message-ID: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:55:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: << I need to rebuild some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. >> John, Rebuilding ignitors I know about, but rebuilding spark plugs at home, I do not know about. Could you elaborate? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 20 17:27:17 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:27:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060420140753.045d1dd8@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <003101c664da$59989da0$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking and Tie Downs. > > Thank you one and all who responded to my inquiry. It sounds like treated > 2"x8"s are the way to go. > > ---------------------------------- > > Now that you have the decking figured out, how about tie downs. Long > ago I saw a clever tie down. I think it came from Daves son? any > way it consisted of a hold drilled through the deck every where they > wanted a tie down. UNDER each hole was fastened a pipe > flange. Three links of chain were passed through the hole in the > pipe flange and the end links were clamped in a vice end to end and > deformed until round. > This setup gives a chain link that rests just below the surface of > the deck until needed. then it can be pulled up and used. > Frank Hi Frank,many years ago I used to go to engine shows in a caravan. I think that is a trailer in American. I needed a secure tie down point in the van for the engine we were carrying but didn't want anything in the way when we were living in the van. I drilled 4 holes though the wooden floor (And Carpet) & fitted 4 removable Eye bolts to tie the engine down. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/2218390600028520097DJkYco When the exhibit was removed the carpet covered the holes. We used this for 15 years with no problems. Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oldengin at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 17:43:57 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:43:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Trailer decking References: <034001c664a3$aa6ec1f0$5b83fb40@gary> <000a01c664c4$f9eaf390$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <002601c664dc$ad027540$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> OK here is my .02........ Telephone poles are treated and work great for decking and can be lighter weight and very durable. They can also be cut on a 30 degree angle on the edge and over lapped to allow drainage and LESS gap in the boards. One thing I learned is use limited bolts ( preferred 3/8 but 5/16 will work also) in your deck for many different reasons (1) these spots seem to rot first (2) these are the spots that seem to catch on everything you load (3) they get in the road of the "ARNIE" tie downs, ok I made that one up, but the other reasons are true From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 20 17:48:08 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:48:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ad on Harry's Message-ID: <44482BC8.8080902@scrtc.com> This ad was posted on Harry's a little bit ago. I'm not sure if they're talking about iron or people (maybe leave it up to our imagination?). WTD: 6h.p. ass. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 20 18:01:17 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:01:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff In-Reply-To: <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com> <00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61> <1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net> <005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <54f0a759dd518b602c647cb2a626e065@chartertn.net> As I recall, it's been used in spark plugs for model engines. John On Apr 20, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Teflon is good for about 500 deg F. max. Anything past that is going > to > have a short lifespan. Sounds to me that it would be a very marginal > choice. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 20 18:09:11 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ad on Harry's In-Reply-To: <44482BC8.8080902@scrtc.com> References: <44482BC8.8080902@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <86a15560933e8fafb0cf8430215f316a@chartertn.net> That'd be a big'un. John On Apr 20, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > This ad was posted on Harry's a little bit ago. I'm not sure if > they're talking about iron or people (maybe leave it up to our > imagination?). > > WTD: 6h.p. ass. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Ratzandcatz at aol.com Thu Apr 20 18:24:21 2006 From: Ratzandcatz at aol.com (Ratzandcatz at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:24:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber Message-ID: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Hey Everyone, I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My new issue didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and on the way back to South Carolina, I wanted to contact a gentleman who makes carts for hit and miss engines. In the last issue of GEM, on the first page of the For Sale classified (I think), was a picture and contact information for a man in, I think Cedar Hill, MO. He makes oak carts with iron wheels for 150.00. I was wanting to contact him and maybe stop by and see one of the carts, but as I said, I don't have my GEM with me. If someone could email me with his address and phone number, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Mell Wallace Laurens, SC From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 20 18:43:22 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:43:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber Message-ID: <20060420.214322.832.1.jlb94@juno.com> I'd love to help you, Mell. But I don't see what you are talking about. There is a guy from Carver, MA selling Oak Carts with Iron Wheels. Price $200 + $50 S&H Name Allen Hanford 16 Silva Street Carver, MA 02330 508-866-4075 Can't find anything else close. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From b2 at chooka.net Thu Apr 20 18:55:09 2006 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:55:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <200604202055208.SM02784@wrbpc> Mell, I've been known to overlook the obvious, but I just scanned the March, April, and May issues and don't see what you describe. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ratzandcatz at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber Hey Everyone, I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My new issue didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and on the way back to South Carolina, I wanted to contact a gentleman who makes carts for hit and miss engines. In the last issue of GEM, on the first page of the For Sale classified (I think), was a picture and contact information for a man in, I think Cedar Hill, MO. He makes oak carts with iron wheels for 150.00. I was wanting to contact him and maybe stop by and see one of the carts, but as I said, I don't have my GEM with me. If someone could email me with his address and phone number, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Mell Wallace Laurens, SC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 20 18:57:48 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:57:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com> Message-ID: <006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> Hi Tom. The plugs I am goping to be rebuilding are 3/4 pipe thread long reach and are no longer made. NOS ones are expensive, I just paid $75 ea for a pair of them. I have never been a fan of working with Mica, nothing against it other than I don't like working with it. Mica washers and tubes are what was used for an insulator on my old plugs. If I wasn't trying to be original I would just buy some 1/2" plugs and use bushings. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:55:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: > > << I need to rebuild > some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. >> > > > John, > > Rebuilding ignitors I know about, but rebuilding spark plugs at home, I do > not know about. Could you elaborate? > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > From reb at apex.net Thu Apr 20 19:00:10 2006 From: reb at apex.net (Dickie) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:00:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber References: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <007501c664e7$53479160$0202a8c0@Dads> I think Murry Abramson from Cedar Hill is the guy you are looking for but I haven't found his number yet. Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber > Hey Everyone, > I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. > I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My > new issue > didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and > on > the way back to > South Carolina, I wanted to contact a gentleman who makes carts for hit > and > miss engines. > In the last issue of GEM, on the first page of the For Sale classified (I > think), was a picture and contact information for a man in, I think Cedar > Hill, > MO. He makes oak carts with iron wheels for 150.00. I was wanting to > contact him and maybe stop by and see one of the carts, but as I said, I > don't > have my GEM with me. If someone could email me with his address and phone > number, I would greatly appreciate it. > Thanks in advance, > Mell Wallace > Laurens, SC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 20 19:08:11 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spark Plug Stuff References: <7.0.1.0.0.20060419210917.03d59008@lbpinc.com><00b201c66422$1c6032d0$55d64c0c@D48VHZ61><1f5cab70f9ec8617c3940b3e333dc70a@chartertn.net><005f01c66456$0cfd4dd0$f0436e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <54f0a759dd518b602c647cb2a626e065@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <006c01c664e8$7187e700$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> I've rebuilt one igniter using Teflon and it works well--however that engine only "plays". The plugs go into a 2 cylinder Titan tractor. The engine is practically a 2 cylinder throttle and govenor engine---they actually marketed the engine for sale as a power unit. It runs hot--especially when you load it. I plan on having this tractor so it can work--not just look pretty. Some of the materials I plan on looking at are Garolite/G10 and glassfilled delrin. I think the biggest issue is going to be between heat range and costing so much I could just buy more new plugs. Mica washers and tubes are definetly a cheap way out--less than $10 in material for each plug. I'll let you guys know how this turns out. John From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Apr 20 19:14:26 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:14:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <20060420.214322.832.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005701c664e9$50da5000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Mel, Found it! Price $150 Murray Abrahamson 9639 Hwy NN Cedar Hills, Mo 63016 636-274-5389 Page 50 of the April GEM for those of you playing at home! Hope this helps Mel. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:43 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber I'd love to help you, Mell. But I don't see what you are talking about. There is a guy from Carver, MA selling Oak Carts with Iron Wheels. Price $200 + $50 S&H Name Allen Hanford 16 Silva Street Carver, MA 02330 508-866-4075 Can't find anything else close. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Apr 20 19:18:48 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:18:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060420221540.00c3eda0@pop3.accnorwalk.com> I'm thinking the guy you are looking for is Lowell Abrahms or Abrahmson. I can't find his ad either. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Apr 20 19:41:44 2006 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:41:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20060420221540.00c3eda0@pop3.accnorwalk.com> References: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20060420223903.00c37c70@pop3.accnorwalk.com> All I had to do was send and then I'd find it. Murray Abrahamson-9639 Hwy NN-Cedar Hill MO-636-274-5389 Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 20 19:00:18 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:00:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber References: <3d0.ac4df6.31798e45@aol.com> Message-ID: <016a01c664e7$5cc2a180$240110ac@PAUL2> Hello Mell, The information you want is: Murray Abrahamsom, 9639 Highway NN, Cedar Hill, Mo 63016 (636) 274-5389 Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Need some help from a GEM subscriber > Hey Everyone, > I need some information, and I hope a GEM subscriber can help me out. > I am on vacation, and I forgot to bring my last issue of GEM with me. My > new issue > didn't arrive before I left. I am visiting my brother in Missouri, and > on > the way back to > From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Apr 20 22:54:23 2006 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:54:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally Message-ID: <381.13a7760.3179cd8f@aol.com> see you there Patrick, I am going for the 2 days and taking the Challenge, still can't get the Olds to keep running. --part1_381.13a7760.3179cd8f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable see you there Patrick, I am going f= or the 2 days and taking the Challenge, still can't get the Olds to keep run= ning. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 20 23:44:52 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:44:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Morpeth Rally In-Reply-To: <381.13a7760.3179cd8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060421064442.GCQN14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I will be there but sadly the Stover will not. I had the winch cable snap and the engine rapidly descend the ramps! The winch is destroyed as is the regulator off the compressor. The compressor was pushed into the engine crane which fell and just missed my model Eclipse, that could have been very, very messy. I am not very amused and the heart rate certainly jumped! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- see you there Patrick, I am going for the 2 days and taking the Challenge, still can't get the Olds to keep running. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Fri Apr 21 13:30:08 2006 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:30:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Keyway repair References: <20060420164528.61845.qmail@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027b01c66582$61ea3290$6401a8c0@office> My thanks to all who've offered suggestions & answers to my keyway question. Don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I've got a line on a machinist who's going to look at it & let me know. John From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 21 16:15:56 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:15:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] For our Australian Members Message-ID: <002c01c66599$8f044060$3ac10b52@no1> Passed on from the English Engine group. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Scenic" Newsgroups: uk.rec.engines.stationary Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Aussie engine collection > This may interest some of the readers of this NG. It might be reason enough > to travel to Darwin. > http://www.abc.net.au/tv/collectors/txt/s1621413.htm Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From falcon at telenet.net Fri Apr 21 20:12:33 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com> <006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <010901c665ba$99a222a0$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Wander into a ceramics shop. They might be able to make you new insulators reasonable. My aunt does ceramic and has made me some interesting items using simple molds and ceramic slurry. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > Hi Tom. The plugs I am goping to be rebuilding are 3/4 pipe thread long > reach and are no longer made. NOS ones are expensive, I just paid $75 ea > for a pair of them. > I have never been a fan of working with Mica, nothing against it other than > I don't like working with it. Mica washers and tubes are what was used for > an insulator on my old plugs. If I wasn't trying to be original I would just > buy some 1/2" plugs and use bushings. > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 10:55:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > jthall at worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > << I need to rebuild > > some rather expensive sparkplugs to have for spares. >> > > > > > > John, > > > > Rebuilding ignitors I know about, but rebuilding spark plugs at home, I do > > not know about. Could you elaborate? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. USA > > Germoamer at aol.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 21 21:11:44 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:11:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] For our Australian Members References: <002c01c66599$8f044060$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <000a01c665c2$e184dec0$328531cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have never met Leo Izod but I think he still belongs to our club ........one of those unseen members. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: [SEL] For our Australian Members > Passed on from the English Engine group. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From: "Scenic" > Newsgroups: uk.rec.engines.stationary > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:49 PM > Subject: Aussie engine collection > > >> This may interest some of the readers of this NG. It might be reason >> enough >> to travel to Darwin. >> http://www.abc.net.au/tv/collectors/txt/s1621413.htm > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Apr 22 03:09:12 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:09:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics Message-ID: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 22 07:36:01 2006 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:36:01 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> Thanks Patrick,well done as usual. Ray Freeman Perth W.Australia -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:09 PM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 22 09:08:19 2006 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <001a01c66626$f952a050$240110ac@PAUL2> Great Pictures Patrick, thanks for taking the time to post them and to share them with us. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Thanks Patrick,well done as usual. > Ray Freeman > Perth > W.Australia From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 22 12:01:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:01:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> References: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, Those engines you identify as being Emu's (Hercules)... Are they built in Oz under license from Hercules or shipped over and re-badged? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060044.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060086.JPG Glenn, do you have any of 'em in your Hercules records? Looks like a fun rally. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:09 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > > Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 22 12:15:13 2006 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:15:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman Message-ID: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> I just received a phone call from Arnie Hartman's daughter that Arnie passed away this morning. Services this Wednesday. Charlie Bryant Jay, ME From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 22 12:51:04 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:51:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422154804.0c1b0db8@mail.alltel.net> At 06:09 AM 4/22/2006, you wrote: >Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >Patrick M Livingstone Great pictures Patrick! Dave PS, Did anyone else notice that the ONLY fence in any of the pictures was AROUND Reg--and it appeared to be barbed wire fencing at that! It seems as though "The National" and Reg have finally come to some sort of understanding! From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Apr 22 13:09:29 2006 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:09:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Great pics, as usual, Patrick. Shame you couldn't've got them up for us all to see a bit faster ;-) Questions/ comments: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060022.JPG Reg - are those wheels on the grass the ones you've had to make to be able to finish the Bromps casting models, because he's still not supplied you with all that you paid for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060070.JPG I assume Oz rallies have a beer tent like a proper engine rally should have? And it is possible to over indulge a little? We don't often have bodies strewn around the engine display area here in the UK though. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still think this is an absolute monstrosity. Dolly Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html > > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 13:29:39 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:29:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman In-Reply-To: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I'm sorry to hear it. My sympathies to the Hartman family. John On Apr 22, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Charles R Bryant wrote: > I just received a phone call from Arnie Hartman's daughter that Arnie > passed away this morning. Services this Wednesday. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 13:30:59 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:30:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422154804.0c1b0db8@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <6.1.2.0.0.20060422154804.0c1b0db8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: > PS, Did anyone else notice that the ONLY fence in any of the pictures > was AROUND Reg--and it appeared to be barbed wire fencing at that! It > seems as though "The National" and Reg have finally come to some sort > of understanding! I was disappointed that I couldn't see any models surrounding Reg, as the caption indicated. All I saw were a bunch of little engines. I'll bet Reg was disappointed, too. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 22 13:37:47 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:37:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422163534.0c204b50@mail.alltel.net> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG >Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still >think this is an absolute monstrosity. >Dolly This is what happens when women do not understand their place in OUR hobby. The same thing began to happen here in the USA since the 20's we gave them the vote! Dave From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Apr 22 14:30:29 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:30:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <004301c66653$fcab95e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Actually, they are a pair that I collected from Canberra rally for a friend further north. I had to machine the rims for him as his lathe is not big enough. He never showed up so they are back in the shed. They are 6 spoke, The Monitor has five spokes. But, All 4 Monitor models are now finished and running, as I machined the needed wheels from solid Cast iron. Bromps can go and rot! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Great pics, as usual, Patrick. Shame you couldn't've got them up for us > all to see a bit faster ;-) > > Questions/ comments: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060022.JPG > Reg - are those wheels on the grass the ones you've had to make to be able > to finish the Bromps casting models, because he's still not supplied you > with all that you paid for? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060070.JPG > I assume Oz rallies have a beer tent like a proper engine rally should > have? And it is possible to over indulge a little? We don't often have > bodies strewn around the engine display area here in the UK though. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG > Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still > think this is an absolute monstrosity. > > Dolly > > Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > >>Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> >> > -- > > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 22 15:50:35 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:50:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wapakoneta Show Message-ID: <1145746235.444ab33bbe257@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Has anyone attended the Buckeye Farm Antiques show at the Auglaize County Fairgrounds in Wapakoneta, Ohio? Refer to the ad on page 316 of the Show Directory. I think this is Doug Etzkorn's local show. It's May 26-28, 2006. What's the show like? Are there many engines? How about the grounds? Do they have a water wagon for filling hoppers? Any comments or impressions would be appreciated. I'm thinking about adding this one to the show schedule for this year. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 17:04:56 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:04:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG > Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still > think this is an absolute monstrosity. I agree with you, Dolly. It would've been much prettier with a contrasting chartreuse on the flywheel rim and various small parts. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 22 17:30:21 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:30:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422202946.0c24b6c8@mail.alltel.net> At 08:04 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG >>Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still >>think this is an absolute monstrosity. > >I agree with you, Dolly. It would've been much prettier with a contrasting >chartreuse on the flywheel rim and various small parts. > >John Culp Is "chartreuse" something like PUCE? Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 22 18:08:19 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:08:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060422202946.0c24b6c8@mail.alltel.net> References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.0.20060422202946.0c24b6c8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: > Is "chartreuse" something like PUCE? > Dave No, but it's a complementary color to it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ihcboggs at jayco.net Sat Apr 22 18:49:00 2006 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne & Casey Boggs) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Delco-Light Power Plant Washing Machine Message-ID: <002001c66678$1b721d90$b05428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> We just aquired a Delco Light Power Plant Washing Machine. I was wondering if anyone has any info on this? Delco-Light Company of Dayton, OH is the place that made it, and it has a copper wash drum, as well as the power plant engine that goes with it. It's the one that used 32 volt DC power . Thanks in Advance. Casey From brianne at ultratune.com.au Sat Apr 22 18:48:36 2006 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:48:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford Truck Message-ID: <00ca01c66678$0a2b8210$97c5dccb@brian> Hi Folks Our Historical Village & Musem looks like being given a rusting relic to restore. It is a 1934 Ford Flathead V8 Tow Truck...Twin rear wheels.Open sides timber cab. Missing starter motor and 1 headlamp. Pretty poor condition. Has anyone restored one of these? Please email me off list . brianne at ultratune.com.au Many Thanks Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness. 07-4124 6526 WebSite: http://herveybaymuseum.museum.com/welcome.html -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5063 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From oldengin at verizon.net Sat Apr 22 18:50:35 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:50:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Hartman References: <000901c66641$14f33b70$2f01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <006401c66678$50d91330$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> I just received a phone call from Arnie Hartman's daughter that Arnie passed away this morning. Services this Wednesday. Arnie was a good fellow and nice person selling engins the right way. Ask some time about the "M" I sold for him! Leroy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 23 01:51:33 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:51:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20060423085117.RIJB3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Arnie, The Emu engines are US made Hercules engines rebadged by the local agent (Clark & Fausett). Emu sounds much more Australian than Hercules. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day Patrick, Those engines you identify as being Emu's (Hercules)... Are they built in Oz under license from Hercules or shipped over and re-badged? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060044.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060086.JPG Glenn, do you have any of 'em in your Hercules records? Looks like a fun rally. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 23 01:55:13 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:55:13 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <444A8D79.2070703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060423085457.RJUZ3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Dolly, The beer is usually consumed in large quantities during the night. Perhaps someone had over indulged and was sleeping it off. I know a few Aussie list members who have had to do this at various rallies (I have photo evidence). I cannot even put into words the horror of the pink engine. Someone obviously loves it :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Great pics, as usual, Patrick. Shame you couldn't've got them up for us all to see a bit faster ;-) Questions/ comments: for? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060070.JPG I assume Oz rallies have a beer tent like a proper engine rally should have? And it is possible to over indulge a little? We don't often have bodies strewn around the engine display area here in the UK though. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060014.JPG Despite the fact that I am the proud owner of a purple engine, I still think this is an absolute monstrosity. Dolly From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 23 02:30:50 2006 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral Message-ID: <000801c666b8$9c36f1e0$93c1eedc@fred> Can anyone tell me where to find the Austral engine No. date page Brian & David Watts Melbourne Australia (03)97266147 briwatt at optusnet.com.au Web Site http://members.optusnet.com.au/~briwatt/ From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 23 06:07:01 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:07:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick.--ceramic References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com><006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> <010901c665ba$99a222a0$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <006201c666d6$d02a85c0$93d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Now thats an interesting idea. I'll have to give that one some more thought. Wonder if ceramic for "decorative" items is the same as what is used for industrial items? My biggest concern would be failure of the ceramic and having it dissentegrate and fall into the combustion chamber. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick. > Wander into a ceramics shop. They might be able to make you new > insulators reasonable. My aunt does ceramic and has made me some > interesting items using simple molds and ceramic slurry. > > Steve Williams > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 23 08:34:05 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:34:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long URLs now God, moving to Slick.--ceramic In-Reply-To: <006201c666d6$d02a85c0$93d84c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <359.32ca97b.31797cf0@aol.com><006701c664e6$fe76c4d0$67eb4c0c@D48VHZ61> <010901c665ba$99a222a0$371117d1@net.telenet.net> <006201c666d6$d02a85c0$93d84c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <9c754af7c0e15e947f2d5fd6f2730836@chartertn.net> Also, of fouling accumulation. No, spark plug ceramic is not your standard pottery or porcelain. It's a special blend that's mostly pure AL2O3. John On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:07 AM, John Hall wrote: > Now thats an interesting idea. I'll have to give that one some more > thought. Wonder if ceramic for "decorative" items is the same as what > is used for industrial items? My biggest concern would be failure of > the ceramic and having it dissentegrate and fall into the combustion > chamber. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Apr 23 10:56:28 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:56:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub / Massey Harris R20 question Message-ID: <200604232000687.SM01012@new.databak.co.za> Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if the serial number of these engines is stamped somewhere on the engine? A friend has one with a missing spec plate. plate. Also, is there a way of telling if it was a Cushman or MH - I have a very rusted one with no paint or spec plate ? Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Apr 23 16:36:38 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:36:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great day References: <004b01c66218$b0df5000$f385dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <01bb01c6672e$c5fff3c0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hi Edd, What a great museum that is, one of the best I've seen, if not the best. I'll bet you had a ball with the new engine too. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [SEL] Great day > Hi all.Yesterday I spent the day at our local town heritage museum > EDD > PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Apr 23 16:41:16 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:41:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <01da01c6672f$6ada67e0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Great stuff Patrick, Quick off the mark too. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 24 08:58:43 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> References: <4u3sb4$8302mj@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony6.iinet.net.au> <1145732476.444a7d7cd7e77@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <444CF5B3.20101@imc-group.com> Arnie, When Missy and visited Oz last March we were both pleasantly surprised at the strong presence of Hercules engines. I recorded the s/n of every Herc engine we saw and I did send those s/n's and HP info to Glenn for his records. Of all the Herc engines we saw, not one had the Emu re-badge on them, they all bore the Hercules name only. The Emu name is neat and would be a fun engine to have here in the states. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >G'day Patrick, > >Those engines you identify as being Emu's (Hercules)... Are they built in Oz >under license from Hercules or shipped over and re-badged? > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060044.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ch06/ch060086.JPG > >Glenn, do you have any of 'em in your Hercules records? > >Looks like a fun rally. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > > >>Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:09 PM >>To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List >>Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics >> >>Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 24 10:31:13 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:31:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. Message-ID: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and got about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park about mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the stars. Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk this far north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller and filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes and another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again for the other halves. Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the way into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system and a major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe temperatures, and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A trip to Lowes and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more permanent cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we were ready to heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive to pour, so Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a local steak place. We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready for pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the large Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 pounds. The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at about 1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late hours anymore! We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings and they were ready. Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I was unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will no longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with getting the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the Tod Engine. I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 24 14:30:13 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:30:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics Message-ID: <2a2.8ee752f.317e9d65@aol.com> Patrick, Thanks for the pictures of the rally! Neat display of crosscut saws, axes, etc. Also enjoyed the display of "things"! Folks have great imaginations! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 24 15:07:28 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision still pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the car as usual.(To tied up talking) EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:09 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 24 17:37:57 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:37:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001c01c66800$80838730$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Don't. Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was > had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision > still > pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the > car > as usual.(To tied up talking) > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> _______________________________________________ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 24 17:59:58 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:59:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20060425005940.KJFT3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I suspect that when you paint it the Foos will come up as nice as the Galloway so I am all for making it pretty. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/w06/w0600061.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision still pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the car as usual.(To tied up talking) EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 24 20:03:58 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:03:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> References: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> Hi Curt, Sounds like a GREAT time was had by all! Exactly why did a rubber fitting fail? And how (exactly) could a rubber fitting be replaced with copper? Dave PS, Missy, Those "Cub Scout" pictures that you took are just between you and me. NO ONE else needs to see them! PPS, Thanks to Devin's grandparents! At 01:31 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a >fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and got >about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park about >mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the stars. >Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk this far >north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. >Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his >mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. >We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller and >filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the >curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes and >another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again for >the other halves. >Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. >Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the way >into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system and a >major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe temperatures, >and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A trip to Lowes >and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more permanent >cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we were ready to >heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive to pour, so >Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a local steak place. >We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. >It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready for >pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the large >Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 pounds. >The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP >Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at about >1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late hours >anymore! >We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out >of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings >and they were ready. >Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I was >unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. >But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider >signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will no >longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with getting >the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the Tod Engine. > >I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the >Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dotto at velocitus.net Mon Apr 24 20:31:45 2006 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:31:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Hi Curt Thanks for the informative update; I have a question about the muller. Can the green sand be reused? Is the purpose of the muller to break up all the chunky stuff after the sand has been used? Looking forward to the pictures of your new pistons. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Id USA Dotto at velocitus.net http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:31 AM > To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES > Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. > > Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a > fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and > got about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park > about mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the > stars. Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk > this far north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. > Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his > mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. > We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller > and filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the > curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes > and another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again > for the other halves. > Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. > Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the > way into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system > and a major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe > temperatures, and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A > trip to Lowes and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more > permanent cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we > were ready to heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive > to pour, so Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a > local steak place. We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. > It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready > for pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the > large Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 > pounds. > The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP > Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at > about 1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late > hours anymore! > We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out > of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings > and they were ready. > Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I > was unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. > But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider > signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will > no longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with > getting the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the > Tod Engine. > > I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the > Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Mon Apr 24 23:23:49 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:23:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics References: <20060422100859.YRPO1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002401c667eb$7a91f880$7e84dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003a01c66830$d17480b0$41ad57ca@n> Dont you dare paint it Edd otherwise i will have to take it back and give you something else to paint(maybe a nice Moffat engine), the foos would look better in my shed with all my other original engines. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > It was a great weekend as usual.My Foos ran great and much discussion was > had as to weather I should paint it or not.Most said don't.A decision > still > pending.Great pics Patrick.Glad you did them as my camera never left the > car > as usual.(To tied up talking) > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:09 > Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle Rally Pics > > >> Some pictures taken today at the Cranky Handle Rally: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/crankyhandle061.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 25 02:25:20 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:25:20 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] RE: Cranky Handle Rally - Emu (Hercules) In-Reply-To: <444CF5B3.20101@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060425092500.CPWN17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Curt, You need to head north to get to see the Emu badges Hercules engines. We see a few here in NSW but there are a lot in Queensland. An Emu badged engine in the USA would certainly create some interest :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Arnie, When Missy and visited Oz last March we were both pleasantly surprised at the strong presence of Hercules engines. I recorded the s/n of every Herc engine we saw and I did send those s/n's and HP info to Glenn for his records. Of all the Herc engines we saw, not one had the Emu re-badge on them, they all bore the Hercules name only. The Emu name is neat and would be a fun engine to have here in the states. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 25 03:53:35 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:53:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> References: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> Dave, Glad you enjoyed. Yes the green sand is reused. Core sand is not as it is a catalyzed sand (linseed oil and some catalyst). Yes the muller breaks up clods of used sand and mixes in the water and clay you add to give the correct consistency. Proper green sand will stay in a shape that you squeeze with your hand. Too little water and clay and the mold falls apart. Too much water and the castings will have too much porosity/gas defects. You'll find this interesting. I designed the core print on our patterns/coreboxes to be the same length as the distance the core is cantilevered into the mold. This worked well for 2 of the 3 molds. However, on the 3HP Hercules piston, the weight of the cantilevered portion of the core was greater than the weight of the core print. This resulted in a tipping of the core in the cavity, rather than resting neatly in place. I thought I had screwed that pattern up! Clever Rick calmly broke off a piece of Styrofoam and placed it in the mold to support the core long enough to set the cope flask on. The Styrofoam vaporizes instantly when the metal hits it. I thought this was a pretty clever solution to one of those "oh shit" moments. I am learning some new 3D software (SolidWorks) and one of its features is that it will tell you the center of mass of a 3D shape. You can bet this will be something I use when designing future patterns, assuring the center of mass falls within the boundaries of the core print, rather than in the mold space. Live and learn! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Dave Otto wrote: >Hi Curt > >Thanks for the informative update; I have a question about the muller. Can >the green sand be reused? Is the purpose of the muller to break up all the >chunky stuff after the sand has been used? > >Looking forward to the pictures of your new pistons. > >Dave > > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Id >USA >Dotto at velocitus.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/otto1960 > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt >>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:31 AM >>To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org); OFES >>Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. >> >>Well folks I'm here to tell you that a trip to the Tod Engine Works is a >>fun and educational day! Wednesday after work I departed for Ohio and >>got about 7 hours of the 10 hour drive done. Found a local State Park >>about mid way up in Ohio and slept in the bed of the truck under the >>stars. Great sleeping weather there as the air is still dry and brisk >>this far north. Was up early and arrived at Rick's place at 11:00. >>Got the grand tour of the neat 100 year old building and looked at his >>mullers, furnace, MG set, ramming lines, and pattern storage area. >>We began the day by mixing no bake core mold sand in the small muller >>and filling all the coreboxes. These were set in the sun to expedite the >>curing. After a couple of hours they were dropped out of the coreboxes >>and another batch of core sand was mixed and the coreboxes filled again >>for the other halves. >>Then we mulled green sand and rammed several patterns. >>Pig ingots were loaded in the furnace and a heat was begun. 3/4 of the >>way into the heat, a rubber fitting failed on the water cooling system >>and a major leak was underway. We nursed the furnace back to safe >>temperatures, and took the heat exchanger out of the loop for repair. A >>trip to Lowes and we got the necessary copper fittings to make the more >>permanent cooling loop. A few hours later and this was complete and we >>were ready to heat again. But hunger pains were stronger than the drive >>to pour, so Rick's (very supportive) wife joined us for dinner at a >>local steak place. We were now properly fueled for the long evening ahead. >>It takes about 2 hours to heat a cold furnace and contents to be ready >>for pouring. So about 11:00 the first mold was poured. This was the >>large Alamo piston and it took all we had melted to fill it, roughly 50 >>pounds. >>The second heat took about 45 minutes, and we poured the double 1 1/2 HP >>Hercules pistons, and a single 3HP Hercules piston. We were done at >>about 1:00 in the a.m. and we were beat. Whew I'm not used to those late >>hours anymore! >>We agreed to meet the next morning at 9:00 and we broke the castings out >>of the flasks. The risers and gating were broken or cut off the castings >>and they were ready. >>Unfortunately Missy needed the digital camera for a scouting trip so I >>was unable to take any pictures, so this tale will have to suffice. >>But if you are up for a fun day in the foundry you should all consider >>signing up for Rick's Foundry class before he gets so busy that he will >>no longer have time for these classes. The proceeds all help him with >>getting the foundry into full production and with the reassembly of the >>Tod Engine. >> >>I was back home Friday evening and on Saturday began machining on the >>Alamo piston. I'll post a picture of it when it's done. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 25 09:48:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:48:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c66888$0adca0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. > Don't make any plans beyond May 25th. Better take heed, bro. On May 26th, the thousands of dollars you have wrapped up in old engines ain't gonna be worth squat. Tell you what, because I'm genuinely a nice guy and because I deeply care about the Fero gals, I'll trade you fifteen cases of Clif Bars and twenty cases of bottled water for that stinky old Furgle & Thrape halfbreed. Rob From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Apr 25 05:41:16 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:41:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wolseley R /TOMM magazine Message-ID: <200604251449812.SM00332@new.databak.co.za> Hi everyone and in particular all the Aussies, My next project will probably be a 1928 Wolseley R Type. This engine was originally made for the Australian sheep shearing market and most of them were sent there and, as such, are fairly common in Australia but not elsewhere. I have a 6 H.P. (Paraffin or Kerosene) one here . I only know of one other in South Africa of this size and one smaller model. An Aussie friend sent me a few scans of an article in TOMM (dated August/September 1998) about the Wolseley R Type (A.K.A. as "Series 4") written by Malcolm Mackay. Unfortunately the scans are of very poor quality and almost unreadable. I have written to TOMM asking about the availability of a back issue but have not received a reply and cannot find a place on their website to order back issues. Does anyone have this issue and would you be prepared to scan the article and eMail it to me. I would be most grateful. Also does anyone know Malcolm Mackay (I believe he operates a Wolseley registry) and could you give me a contact address for him (preferably eMail). His address is on the last page of the item but all I can make out is the Postal Code which looks like "NSW 2212". I am of course also on the lookout for any other information on this particular engine so anything is welcome. Many thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 25 15:36:45 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:36:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam Message-ID: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody Greece! Drinks are on me! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 25 08:16:26 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: Hi Folks, Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make any plans beyond May 25th. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 25 04:35:24 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> References: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <444E097C.7060100@imc-group.com> Dave, For the same reason ALL rubbers fail.....too much pressure too much heat! :-) The rubber fitting that failed was a rubber drain boot connecting flexible hose (from the pump) to 1 1/8" copper tubing (on the heat exchanger). The replacement fittings adapted the 1 1/8" copper fittings to smaller NPT pipe so that the flexible hose could be slid over and worm gear clamped in place. Curt P.S. As to picture taking.....you give a whole new meaning to exposure and "f" stop! Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Curt, > Sounds like a GREAT time was had by all! Exactly why did a > rubber fitting fail? And how (exactly) could a rubber fitting be > replaced with copper? > Dave > PS, Missy, Those "Cub Scout" pictures that you took are just between > you and me. NO ONE else needs to see them! > PPS, Thanks to Devin's grandparents! > > At 01:31 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 25 09:45:27 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <002a01c66888$0adca0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> References: <002a01c66888$0adca0b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: Rob, Damn, I'm all choked up here. The generosity of your offer simply overwhelms me. Actually, I was in the process of composing a similar email. It is well known that when comet fragments hit the earth, the crust will ring like a gong. This, of course, will cause all of Kalifornia to slip into the Pacific Ocean. My proposition is to head your way with my nifty new truck & trailer and rescue that 6 hp Hornsby and the 7-1/2 hp Allan from a watery grave. And generous guy that I am, I'll offer a dry space to your lovely engine tender as well. http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby/index.html http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/allan.html No need to thank me bro, I'm sure that MY generosity has overwhelmed you. We only have a couple of weeks to make arrangements as I want to be well east of the Rockies before "surf's up." See ya, Arnie On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Rob Skinner wrote: > On May 26th, the thousands of dollars you have wrapped up in > old engines ain't gonna be worth squat. Tell you what, > because I'm genuinely a nice guy and because I deeply care > about the Fero gals, I'll trade you fifteen cases of Clif > Bars and twenty cases of bottled water for that stinky old > Furgle & Thrape halfbreed. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 25 08:39:44 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. In-Reply-To: <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> References: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, While its unlikely that I'll ever do any castings, I am greatly enjoying these "experience" posts. When you look at large cast iron parts like those that comprise the Tod engine and imagine that castings of this size and much larger were routine day-to-day operations, you have to ask yourself what would it take to do that today? How many "tricks of the trade" that were never written down, but were passed on man to man in the foundary, have been lost and would need to be rediscovered. Keep up the good work and keep the stories coming. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > Glad you enjoyed. Yes the green sand is reused. Core sand is not as it > is a catalyzed sand (linseed oil and some catalyst). > Yes the muller breaks up clods of used sand and mixes in the water and > clay you add to give the correct consistency. > Proper green sand will stay in a shape that you squeeze with your hand. > Too little water and clay and the mold falls apart. Too much water and > the castings will have too much porosity/gas defects. > You'll find this interesting. I designed the core print on our > patterns/coreboxes to be the same length as the distance the core is > cantilevered into the mold. This worked well for 2 of the 3 molds. > However, on the 3HP Hercules piston, the weight of the cantilevered > portion of the core was greater than the weight of the core print. This > resulted in a tipping of the core in the cavity, rather than resting > neatly in place. I thought I had screwed that pattern up! Clever Rick > calmly broke off a piece of Styrofoam and placed it in the mold to > support the core long enough to set the cope flask on. The Styrofoam > vaporizes instantly when the metal hits it. I thought this was a pretty > clever solution to one of those "oh shit" moments. From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 17:10:14 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're kidding, right? --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > news. Don't make any > plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 17:08:06 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426000807.59776.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you serious? --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > news. Don't make any > plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at verizon.net Tue Apr 25 18:04:18 2006 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NAMES References: <000701c66818$c7a5e640$0300a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <444DFFAF.3090104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <014601c668cd$592ec6e0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Another great show at the names in Toledo Ohio this year. Did any list members make it? I have a question Does anyone have plans to build any of the DC motors as I have a limited number of #43 wire coils and might try and build one, two, you get the idea. Thanks Leroy From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 25 18:22:58 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:22:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam >I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody > Greece! > Drinks are on me! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 18:54:22 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:54:22 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hi Message-ID: Hi all, My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the surname as I am Lyndsay's son. I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I joined the list. Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am qualified in this area. Glad to a member, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Apr 25 19:16:10 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:16:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <010f01c668d7$627a7e10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Ben Welcome aboard. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Apr 25 19:18:13 2006 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:18:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NAMES In-Reply-To: <014601c668cd$592ec6e0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: I made it on Saturday for a while. Lots of neat stuff as usual. Clarence's steam launch is outstanding. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:04 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] NAMES Another great show at the names in Toledo Ohio this year. Did any list members make it? I have a question Does anyone have plans to build any of the DC motors as I have a limited number of #43 wire coils and might try and build one, two, you get the idea. Thanks Leroy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 25 19:18:49 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:18:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060426021827.EKX24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Ben, You are a long way from home. I'll bet the weather is a bit warmer up there than in sunny Victoria ;) There are still a handful of engine people on the list so I am sure there will be something posted occasionally that is engine related. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all, My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the surname as I am Lyndsay's son. I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I joined the list. Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am qualified in this area. Glad to a member, Ben From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Apr 25 19:33:56 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:33:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hi Message-ID: <3f2.5b91bc.31803614@aol.com> Welcome aboard Ben. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1146018836 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Tue Apr 25 19:40:58 2006 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:40:58 +1000 Subject: [S] [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <003901c668da$dfc66c00$18ad57ca@n> G'day Ben Good to see ya on the list. Gee you must be struggling over there with no engines! Maybe you might find some over there? Cheers Mick Christie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [S] [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 25 18:43:45 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:43:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425213517.0373b5f8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a subject as serious as is this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit to not sign the Keyoto Accord has brought us to this point. Had you voted for Kerry in the last election this would never have happened and we could all enjoy the 2006 show season. It's a sad state of affairs that Bush has seen to it that May 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! Dave PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: >You're kidding, right? > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > > news. Don't make any > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 25 18:55:40 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:55:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426000807.59776.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426000807.59776.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425215437.037b2bd8@mail.alltel.net> At 08:08 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: >Are you serious? Hi Doug, You had better hope that Arnie is serious--he builds nukes! Dave From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Apr 25 20:25:35 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:25:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tools Message-ID: <018101c668e1$159e1610$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Recently I went to a rally in Wagga Wagga and took along my Lister A. With this I decided to show all my Lister tools and the like. It is at http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/2193472100053851130AIHowM However, I have an ulterior motive. You will note there a five shearers screwdrivers in the photo - all different. For those on the other side of the ponds, do you have anything like these that could be obtained for me, particularly with brand names. If so please let me know off list. And for the Oz members I am particularly after a black handled Lister, a Cooper and a Buzacott or anything else that may be around. All those that I have have two blades but I do know of one that was produced with three blades. Once again I can be contacted off list. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Ron Canberra. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 25 20:51:14 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:51:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> <007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <002f01c668e4$adeb77c0$3bb731cb@ogborneuah38i3> You know what they say Reg '' Beware of Greeks bearing gifts'' ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > > >>I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody >> Greece! >> Drinks are on me! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 25 20:56:34 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:56:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tools In-Reply-To: <018101c668e1$159e1610$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <20060426035612.QWLL14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Ron, I have seen many, many different brands on the screwdrivers. I have a two blade one which has G. Munro on it but it is staying with my G. Munro shearing plant. There is a guy I have seen displaying at a few rallies who specializes in shearing gear. He has an impressive collection. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Recently I went to a rally in Wagga Wagga and took along my Lister A. With this I decided to show all my Lister tools and the like. It is at http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/2193472100053851130AIHowM However, I have an ulterior motive. You will note there a five shearers screwdrivers in the photo - all different. For those on the other side of the ponds, do you have anything like these that could be obtained for me, particularly with brand names. If so please let me know off list. And for the Oz members I am particularly after a black handled Lister, a Cooper and a Buzacott or anything else that may be around. All those that I have have two blades but I do know of one that was produced with three blades. Once again I can be contacted off list. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Ron Canberra. _______________________________________________ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 25 20:57:49 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:57:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <003901c668e5$993a6ba0$3bb731cb@ogborneuah38i3> Don't give up hope Ben....A lot of those fabulous old British engines went to Malaya...rubber plantations ,tin mines etc. I once saw a beautiful Bellis and Morecambe Hot Bulb engine up there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 25 21:04:27 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425213517.0373b5f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a democrat. I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What exactly do you mean by stuck on stupid? --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, > I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a > subject as serious as is > this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit to > not sign the Keyoto > Accord has brought us to this point. Had you voted > for Kerry in the last > election this would never have happened and we could > all enjoy the 2006 > show season. It's a sad state of affairs that Bush > has seen to it that May > 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! > Dave > PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. > PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! > > At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > >You're kidding, right? > > > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such > bad > > > news. Don't make any > > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 21:50:19 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:50:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: Thanks Peter, good info to know, I might have to go searching! _________________________________________________________________ Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 21:53:58 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:53:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: I am struggling Mick. If anyone has ever been to Malaysia and seen any, please let me know, I would love to look at some of the engines that came to Malaysia, if any did! _________________________________________________________________ Find just what you are after with the more precise, more powerful new MSN Search. http://search.msn.com.my/ Try it now. From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Tue Apr 25 22:01:57 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam/Phish> new photos Message-ID: <135147297.1146027717518.JavaMail.ringo@ringo9.tickle.com> http://www.ringo.com/i.html?i=141868425x932812&homeEmail=SEL%40lists.stationary-engine.com&firstName=Station...&lastName=Engine+List&origin=invite Ben Block invitations from Ben: http://www.ringo.com/friends/invite/block.html?memberId=141868425&email=SEL%40lists.stationary-engine.com&origin=invite Block all invitations: http://www.ringo.com/friends/invite/block.html?email=SEL%40lists.stationary-engine.com&origin=invite From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Tue Apr 25 22:09:09 2006 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:09:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: <20060426021827.EKX24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002b01c668ef$8e12b160$c785dccb@oemcomputer> Welcome Ben and what are you insinuating Patrick. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:18 Subject: RE: [SEL] Hi > Hi Ben, > You are a long way from home. I'll bet the weather is a bit warmer > up there than in sunny Victoria ;) > There are still a handful of engine people on the list so I am sure there > will be something posted occasionally that is engine related. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 25 22:20:32 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:20:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Trailer Redecked Message-ID: <008601c668f1$284f71e0$9644e5d8@gary> The new flooring in on the trailer, well nearly. It turned out to be a fairly simple job since the channel on the front of the trailer was created using a piece of angle iron that used machine screws to fasten it down. Right now I have wedges holding the boards in place until they season for awhile. I don't want to rip the last 2"x8" to make it fit and then have shrink from there. Sicne it is setting out in the sun I should be able to add the last board in a week or two. I have railroad cross ties laying across the width of the trailer. I decided to continue using the stake pockets for tiedowns. This works well for the use I give the trailer. I can always install countersunk tie-downs later if I wish. Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 25 17:59:50 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:59:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED References: Message-ID: <002a01c668cc$b8d06500$536b4b47@mikecomp> It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to ship all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from all those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Slick Willy" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > Hi Folks, > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make any > plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 25 23:58:01 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:58:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <017a01c668fe$c48a07c0$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hi Ben, welcome to the list Mate . Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Apr 26 00:07:47 2006 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:07:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <002b01c66900$1f8cb770$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Ben welcome to the list . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Apr 26 00:28:28 2006 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:28:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tools References: <20060426035612.QWLL14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <025701c66903$035af9b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks Patrick I will have to note that name down and keep my eye open for one. Ron Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Tools > Hi Ron, > I have seen many, many different brands on the screwdrivers. I have > a two blade one which has G. Munro on it but it is staying with my G. Munro > shearing plant. > There is a guy I have seen displaying at a few rallies who specializes in > shearing gear. He has an impressive collection. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Recently I went to a rally in Wagga Wagga and took along my Lister A. With > this I decided to show all my Lister tools and the like. It is at > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/2193472100053851130AIHowM > > However, I have an ulterior motive. You will note there a five shearers > screwdrivers in the photo - all different. For those on the other side of > the ponds, do you have anything like these that could be obtained for me, > particularly with brand names. If so please let me know off list. And for > the Oz members I am particularly after a black handled Lister, a Cooper and > a Buzacott or anything else that may be around. All those that I have have > two blades but I do know of one that was produced with three blades. Once > again I can be contacted off list. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance > > Ron > Canberra. > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ben_frazer at hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 00:54:14 2006 From: ben_frazer at hotmail.com (Ben Frazer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] You are now sharing photos with Ben! Message-ID: <91289880.1146038054802.JavaMail.ringo@ringo10.tickle.com> Hi Station..., You are now sharing photos and contact details with Ben! Share photos with Ben: http://www.ringo.com/photos/upload.html?al=3I8u5bOf.uypCfFx&origin=confirm Check out Ben's photos and info: http://www.ringo.com/friends/view.html?memberId=141868425&al=wKYvn7ZLDG9AG9WY&origin=confirm Thanks for using Ringo. Stay in touch! -- * This email was sent from a notification-only email address. Please do not reply to this email. * This email was sent by request to SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 26 01:01:51 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3> <007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001501c66907$ae7e5400$3ac10b52@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > >>I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody >> Greece! >> Drinks are on me! >> Peter Ogborne They say money spreads well! I won as well so that is 3 winners in 2 countries. Why don't you read the notes? You aren't supposed to tell anybody about your luck until you have given them your bank details so they can send you the money. 8^)) Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 26 01:34:06 2006 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:34:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam References: <001901c668b8$bfabdb20$e9f731cb@ogborneuah38i3><007901c668cf$f5bb9c70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001501c66907$ae7e5400$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <009a01c6690c$319a7d10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Aw, Gee! missed out again!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam > > >> Thats odd! So did I!! Do you think it might just be a scam? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:36 AM >> Subject: [SEL] OT...now a Google Scam >> >>>I have just won a Google Lottery ,a Million Euros emanating from bloody >>>Greece! >>> Drinks are on me! >>> Peter Ogborne > > They say money spreads well! I won as well so that is 3 winners in 2 > countries. > Why don't you read the notes? You aren't supposed to tell anybody about > your luck until you have given them your bank details so they can send you > the money. > 8^)) > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 26 04:48:57 2006 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:48:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: <002b01c66900$1f8cb770$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: And a BIG welcome from "Big Sky" Montana, Ben. New blood is good. RickinMt. From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 26 04:53:11 2006 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Hi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4522.165.206.180.19.1146052391.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> I thought all Australians were named Bruce (or maybe it's that they are all named Paul?). Must be a pommy. Away from the land of boomers living for a bit in the land from whence a lot of our fabrics come from, eh? Just be careful there. Right, well, welcome to "the list". Bill (from somewhere in the middle of the U.S.) > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment > but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's why I > joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 06:09:16 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444F70FC.7090009@imc-group.com> Doug, I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one up....nihilist that is. "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination." Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Doug Pfaff wrote: >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a democrat. > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What exactly >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug,
I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one up....nihilist that is.

"Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination."

Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Doug Pfaff wrote: 
I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I
wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a democrat.
 I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What exactly
do you mean by stuck on stupid?

From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 26 06:43:31 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:43:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20060425213517.0373b5f8@mail.alltel.net> <20060426040427.83619.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426094117.03886d00@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, Sorry about that. I didn't know that you were so young. I should have said "Books, School, Eat!" Dave At 12:04 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: > What exactly >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > >--- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > Hi Doug, > > I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a > > subject as serious as is > > this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit to > > not sign the Keyoto > > Accord has brought us to this point. Had you voted > > for Kerry in the last > > election this would never have happened and we could > > all enjoy the 2006 > > show season. It's a sad state of affairs that Bush > > has seen to it that May > > 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! > > Dave > > PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. > > PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! > > > > At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > > >You're kidding, right? > > > > > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such > > bad > > > > news. Don't make any > > > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 26 06:30:13 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060426001014.75492.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug, Kidding???? My gawd man, we're talking about an OFFICIAL press release warning of the destruction of life as we know it. Who would joke about such a thing? See ya, Arnie PS - How long can you tread water? On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Doug Pfaff wrote: > You're kidding, right? > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad > > news. Don't make any plans beyond May 25th. > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 07:45:23 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:45:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <444F8783.9020808@imc-group.com> Patrick, I recall your post of this hotbulb cut in half a while back. For those of us that have not had the joy of tinkering with hot bulb engines yet, could you explain what the passages and ports are? What the burner bears on (heats)? What each of the threaded parts are connected to? What the jacket is for? Etc. Yes, we saw hotbulbs on engines while we were in Oz, but looking at the outside of a hot bulb makes it look deceptively simple. Apparently there is a lot going on inside. An explaination would be most helpful and appreciated. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >While we are on the subject of castings I finally have a new hot bulb for my >Blackstone. The original was severely cracked so was cut in half for a >pattern maker to make a pattern: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG >The final casting is very good and only need machining: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042505.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042506.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042507.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042508.JPG > >If anyone is interested the next big casting project is the fuel-tank/base >to suite 2hp & 3hp Hornsby Oil Engines. This is a big, heavy casting but if >you know of anyone here in Oz who needs one let me know as the more that are >cast the cheaper they will be. So far there are five being cast! > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 07:54:41 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:54:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. Message-ID: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Some of you may know our local prolific model builder Doug Kelley and have seen some of his exquisite work. His latest model of the Miller engine at Coolsprings (using minerature ignitors!) has been working great for several months, and apparently he is ready to design his next model. He called last night asking I dig up information on Callahan engines or other cam stoppers. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly, but I seem to remember that on a Callahan the shaft continues to rotate, but the governor latches in and out the cam lobes that are on a sleeve on the side shaft. But Doug specifically asked about an engine in which the entire side shaft is latched in/out by a governor acting at the back of the shaft near the crankshaft. He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire shaft is latched out. So the question is, what engine would this be, and is a detailed explanation available, and are pictures available that Doug can pattern his design from? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 26 06:21:15 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:21:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Castings Message-ID: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> While we are on the subject of castings I finally have a new hot bulb for my Blackstone. The original was severely cracked so was cut in half for a pattern maker to make a pattern: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04062614.JPG The final casting is very good and only need machining: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042505.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042506.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042507.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/06042508.JPG If anyone is interested the next big casting project is the fuel-tank/base to suite 2hp & 3hp Hornsby Oil Engines. This is a big, heavy casting but if you know of anyone here in Oz who needs one let me know as the more that are cast the cheaper they will be. So far there are five being cast! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 09:05:55 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <444F70FC.7090009@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20060426160555.74311.qmail@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not really a total nihilist. --- Curt wrote: > Doug, > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > up....nihilist that is. > > "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid > 19th-century Russia > that scorned authority and tradition and believed in > reason, > materialism, and radical change in society and > government through > terrorism and assassination." > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I > >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a > democrat. > > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What > exactly > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > > > > > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Transitional//EN"> > > > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > Doug,
> I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > up....nihilist that > is.
>
> "Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement > of mid 19th-century > Russia that scorned authority and tradition and > believed in reason, > materialism, and radical change in society and > government through terrorism and assassination."
>
> Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label?
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
> Doug Pfaff wrote: >
> cite="mid20060426040427.83619.qmail at web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com" > type="cite"> > 
I couldn't have voted in the last
> election, as I
> wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a
> democrat.
>  I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What exactly
> do you mean by stuck on stupid?
> 
>
>
>
> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 09:07:53 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426094117.03886d00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060426160753.79839.qmail@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No big deal, Dave. --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, > Sorry about that. I didn't know that you > were so young. I should > have said "Books, School, Eat!" > Dave > > At 12:04 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: > > What exactly > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > >--- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > > > Hi Doug, > > > I have never known Arnie to "kid" on a > > > subject as serious as is > > > this one. The fact that George Bush has seen fit > to > > > not sign the Keyoto > > > Accord has brought us to this point. Had you > voted > > > for Kerry in the last > > > election this would never have happened and we > could > > > all enjoy the 2006 > > > show season. It's a sad state of affairs that > Bush > > > has seen to it that May > > > 25th will end it all! Peace my friend! > > > Dave > > > PS, I take for granted that you are a DEMOCRAT. > > > PPS, Talk about STUCK ON STUPID! > > > > > > At 08:10 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > > > >You're kidding, right? > > > > > > > >--- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of > such > > > bad > > > > > news. Don't make any > > > > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 26 09:10:47 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:10:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> References: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <444F9B87.2050405@scrtc.com> Curt, On the Callahan the governor sits behind the crankshaft and latches out the entire shaft. Its the only engine where the entire shaft stops. There has been models made of the Callahan as Harry Cooper of Alabama borrowed my engine a few years back and did a nice job making a 1/4 scale model. Here is a photo, made by Harry Matthews, of my engine running at Coolspring about 10 years ago: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30210971&p=60852791 Tommy Turner > Some of you may know our local prolific model builder Doug Kelley and > have seen some of his exquisite work. His latest model of the Miller > engine at Coolsprings (using minerature ignitors!) has been working > great for several months, and apparently he is ready to design his > next model. > He called last night asking I dig up information on Callahan engines > or other cam stoppers. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly, but I seem > to remember that on a Callahan the shaft continues to rotate, but the > governor latches in and out the cam lobes that are on a sleeve on the > side shaft. > But Doug specifically asked about an engine in which the entire side > shaft is latched in/out by a governor acting at the back of the shaft > near the crankshaft. He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism > like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire shaft is > latched out. > So the question is, what engine would this be, and is a detailed > explanation available, and are pictures available that Doug can > pattern his design from? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 26 09:07:33 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> References: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, The guy to see for Callahans is Craig Prucha's buddy Stiles Bradley. He has several in his collection. As to the "other" types of camstoppers, Craig has two lovely examples on the web; his 12 hp Field Brundage and the 25 hp Columbus. Lots of pics & movies on his website. http://www.antique-engine.com/12field/field01.htm http://www.antique-engine.com/25columbus/25columbus.htm BTW, it would be FANTASTIC if Doug could bring that Miller model to Coolspring in June. The feature is "Odd, Strange, and Curious" engines. That model would certainly qualify and would be awesome sitting there running in the Miller building next to the biggun'. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Curt wrote: > He called last night asking I dig up information on Callahan engines or > other cam stoppers. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly, but I seem to > remember that on a Callahan the shaft continues to rotate, but the > governor latches in and out the cam lobes that are on a sleeve on the > side shaft. > But Doug specifically asked about an engine in which the entire side > shaft is latched in/out by a governor acting at the back of the shaft > near the crankshaft. He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism > like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire shaft is > latched out. > So the question is, what engine would this be, and is a detailed > explanation available, and are pictures available that Doug can pattern > his design from? From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 26 10:02:40 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:02:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F9B87.2050405@scrtc.com> References: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> <444F9B87.2050405@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <444FA7B0.8080803@imc-group.com> Tommy, Dave, Arnie, I believe the engine I am remembering at the Boone show years ago was a Columbus and not a Callahan now that I think about it a little. It was displayed by Jeff Hutchins (sp?). You guys have given Doug some great leads for his next project and I will encourage him to attend Coolspings with the Miller model. Thanks, Curt Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Curt, > On the Callahan the governor sits behind the crankshaft and latches > out the entire shaft. Its the only engine where the entire shaft > stops. There has been models made of the Callahan as Harry Cooper of > Alabama borrowed my engine a few years back and did a nice job making > a 1/4 scale model. Here is a photo, made by Harry Matthews, of my > engine running at Coolspring about 10 years ago: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30210971&p=60852791 > > Tommy Turner > > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Apr 26 13:45:40 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:45:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: <410-220064326204540437@earthlink.net> hmmm, Royster and protected engine storage. Just doesn't sound right. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/26/2006 12:37:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to ship > all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of > blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from all > those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. > > MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Slick > Willy" > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:16 AM > Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make any > > plans beyond May 25th. > > > > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 From asouth at strato.net Wed Apr 26 14:08:12 2006 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:08:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hi References: Message-ID: <008001c66975$87e3ef30$c900a8c0@ARTHUR> Hello Ben, Arthur Southwell from Arcadia, Florida, USA said that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Frazer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [SEL] Hi > Hi all, > > My name is Ben Frazer from Australia, some of you might recognise the > surname as I am Lyndsay's son. > > I am now living in Malaysia so I don't get to work on engines at the > moment but I would like to keep in touch with the 'engine world', that's > why I joined the list. > > Hopefully I can be some assistance on machining issues etc, as I am > qualified in this area. > > Glad to a member, > Ben > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your mobile ringtones, operator logos and picture messages from MSN > Mobile http://msn.smsfactory.no/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 26 14:44:28 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:44:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Reidsville Message-ID: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet hits? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 26 14:59:24 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <20060426160555.74311.qmail@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444F70FC.7090009@imc-group.com> <20060426160555.74311.qmail@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426175717.03889308@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, Is this because you had no idea what the word meant until Curt told you? Dave PS, Books, school, eat! At 12:05 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: >I'm not really a total nihilist. > >--- Curt wrote: > > > Doug, > > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > > up....nihilist that is. > > > > "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid > > 19th-century Russia > > that scorned authority and tradition and believed in > > reason, > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > government through > > terrorism and assassination." > > > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > > > >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as I > > >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a > > democrat. > > > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What > > exactly > > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > Transitional//EN"> > > > > > > > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > > > > Doug,
> > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that one > > up....nihilist that > > is.
> >
> > "Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement > > of mid 19th-century > > Russia that scorned authority and tradition and > > believed in reason, > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > government through terrorism and assassination."
> >
> > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label?
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> >
> >
> > Doug Pfaff wrote: > >
> > > >cite="mid20060426040427.83619.qmail at web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com" > > type="cite"> > > 
I couldn't have voted in the last
> > election, as I
> > wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a
> > democrat.
> >  I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What exactly
> > do you mean by stuck on stupid?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 26 15:02:43 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:02:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Castings - Blackstone In-Reply-To: <20060426132053.LGSR15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <003901c6697d$26192b50$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > While we are on the subject of castings I finally have a new > hot bulb for my Blackstone. The original was severely > cracked so was cut in half for a pattern maker to make a pattern: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/blackstone/04 062614.JPG Hi Patrick, That vaporizer sure looks like it's seen better days. If it hadn't cracked where it did, it was ready to go in a number of other places. Do you have a picture of the hoobie-joob that screws into the chamber? I'm curious how it compares to the ignitor coil case on an Austral. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 26 15:04:09 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:04:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: [OFES] Question about side shaft cam stoppers. In-Reply-To: <444F89B1.3070700@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003a01c6697d$5975f910$0201a8c0@robscomputer> > He wants to build a model that uses a mechanism > like this, where the entire shaft rotates and then the entire > shaft is latched out. > So the question is, what engine would this be, You're right, Curt. A Callahan meets Doug's criteria. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 16:11:39 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:11:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.161139.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door in one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees Rocks PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. Sounds like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? Thanks Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Apr 26 17:13:19 2006 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060426.161139.1472.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20060427001330.574EF9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Hi Ron, Do they have a local agent so you can go have a look see? Does it include a man door, windows and what form of rust prevention? Sounds Great! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:12 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [SEL] Metal building Hi all. I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door in one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees Rocks PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. Sounds like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? Thanks Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 26 17:47:38 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:47:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427001330.574EF9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> References: <20060427001330.574EF9B418@mx-in02.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <445014AA.9090806@scrtc.com> Ron, Good points made by Jimmy. Inquire about a walk in door (they may want to charge you $1000 to add one). Also ask what gauge metal is being used and as Jimmy mentioned, ask what sort of rust, fade, and "chalking" guarantee is included with the metal (most "good" metal now has at least a 20 year warranty). One important thing is to make sure the building comes with an engineers stamp regarding wind load . If it doesn't have the proper wind load rating, you may not be able to insure it. There are wind load ratings for certain areas of the country (in my location its 70 mph minimum) and your insurance agent or possibly an on line search can get it. After the tornado I purchased an all steel building from KY Steel Truss Buildings that measures 64 x 126. It cost me a little under $50 K delivered to my place. But, I had much more (too much I think) in it when it was finally standing. I'll get it paid for one of these days (thats why I made sure it had a 20 year warranty on the metal). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Ron, Do they have a local agent so you can go have a look see? Does it >include a man door, windows and what form of rust prevention? Sounds Great! >Jim O'Hagan >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >rdhaskell at juno.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:12 PM >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com >Subject: [SEL] Metal building > >Hi all. >I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal >building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door in >one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees Rocks >PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. Sounds >like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? >Thanks >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 18:15:47 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:15:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list Message-ID: Hi List members, Considering that my son Ben has now joined the SEL I thought it was about time I returned to the fray myself. I look forward to hearing from all you guys again and getting into some serious engine talk. Regards, Lyndsay. From dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 26 18:27:44 2006 From: dougpfaff at sbcglobal.net (Doug Pfaff) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20060426175717.03889308@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060427012744.24158.qmail@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No Dave, I already knew what it meant. What I was saying was that I am a nihilist in that I believe we need a radical change in our society (specifically our government). And that's all I have to say about my beliefs. Doug Pfaff --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, Is this because you had no idea what the > word meant until Curt > told you? > Dave > PS, Books, school, eat! > > At 12:05 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: > >I'm not really a total nihilist. > > > >--- Curt wrote: > > > > > Doug, > > > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that > one > > > up....nihilist that is. > > > > > > "*Nihilism* A diffuse, revolutionary movement of > mid > > > 19th-century Russia > > > that scorned authority and tradition and > believed in > > > reason, > > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > > government through > > > terrorism and assassination." > > > > > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that label? > > > Curt Holland > > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > > > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > > > > > >I couldn't have voted in the last election, as > I > > > >wasn't 18 at the time (I am now). I'm not a > > > democrat. > > > > I guess you could say I'm a nihilist. What > > > exactly > > > >do you mean by stuck on stupid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------060503060800000903060102 > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > Transitional//EN"> > > > > > > > > > > > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > > > > > > > Doug,
> > > I must be stuck on stupid as I had to look that > one > > > up....nihilist that > > > is.
> > >
> > > "Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary > movement > > > of mid 19th-century > > > Russia that scorned authority and tradition and > > > believed in reason, > > > materialism, and radical change in society and > > > government through terrorism and > assassination."
> > >
> > > Hmmm..... you sure you really want that > label?
> > > Curt Holland
> > > Gastonia, NC
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Pfaff wrote: > > >
> > > > > > >cite="mid20060426040427.83619.qmail at web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com" > > > type="cite"> > > > 
I couldn't have voted in the last
> > > election, as I
> > > wasn't 18 at the time (I am now).  I'm not a
> > > democrat.
> > >  I guess you could say I'm a nihilist.  What
> exactly
> > > do you mean by stuck on stupid?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 19:10:23 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:10:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.191024.868.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. This is an arch type building, the walls go straight up for about 8' then corrugated arches go to a peak in the middle. The metal is galvalume coated and guaranteed for 30 years. The story is the Marines ordered the building, put $3,000 down, then backed out at the last minute. They will let me have it for the balance, then knocked off another $1,000, and free delivery. Their doors are heavy and expensive, I will get some here. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:19 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes: > Hi Ron, Do they have a local agent so you can go have a look see? > Does it > include a man door, windows and what form of rust prevention? Sounds > Great! > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:12 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [SEL] Metal building > > Hi all. > I have a guy at Curvico Steel Structures trying to sell me a metal > building. 30' wide and 36' long, 16' tall with a 12'x12' open door > in > one end, solid other end. I supply the door. They are in Mc Kees > Rocks > PA. 15136. They want $10,581 delivered to my door here in CA. > Sounds > like a good deal, anyone heard of this company? > Thanks From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 19:16:08 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.191608.868.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy I will cut in the man door here. The metal is 22 gauge and guaranteed for 30 years. They said they sell to CA. all the time and will include engineering drawings. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:47:38 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Ron, > Good points made by Jimmy. Inquire about a walk in door (they > may > want to charge you $1000 to add one). Also ask what gauge metal is > > being used and as Jimmy mentioned, ask what sort of rust, fade, and > > "chalking" guarantee is included with the metal (most "good" metal > now > has at least a 20 year warranty). One important thing is to make > sure > the building comes with an engineers stamp regarding wind load . If > it > doesn't have the proper wind load rating, you may not be able to > insure > it. There are wind load ratings for certain areas of the country > (in my > location its 70 mph minimum) and your insurance agent or possibly an > on > line search can get it. After the tornado I purchased an all steel > > building from KY Steel Truss Buildings that measures 64 x 126. It > cost > me a little under $50 K delivered to my place. But, I had much more > > (too much I think) in it when it was finally standing. I'll get it > paid > for one of these days (thats why I made sure it had a 20 year > warranty > on the metal). > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 26 19:21:29 2006 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville References: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Message-ID: <009b01c669a1$4d86aa40$c9f04c0c@D48VHZ61> Comet? Maybe I should stop working in the shop and cut on the news. Anyway, I am planning on being there to look, not exhibit. Of course, there is always room in the truck should something need to follow me home. I'm currently down to under 10 projects in progress---gotta fix that!!! John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Reidsville > Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet > hits? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 26 18:17:18 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:17:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville References: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Message-ID: <004101c66998$53c458c0$536b4b47@mikecomp> Steve "cloistered oyster" Royster and Pete Stauffer for sure! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Reidsville > Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet > hits? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 26 19:58:44 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:58:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ben Frazer Message-ID: <20060426.230556.1084.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ben - Glad to have ya aboard. Hope you enjoy the ride. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 26 20:03:24 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:03:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> I just looked on the Yellow Pages online they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures McKees Rocks, PA 15136. I can try to find out more if you wish. My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. It's not that big and someone should know of them. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 26 20:09:39 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:09:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list Message-ID: <20060426.231515.1084.8.jlb94@juno.com> Glad to have you back Lyndsay. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 26 20:35:28 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:35:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <3b1.1c6721c.31819600@aol.com> Ron, Do you have to consider seismic requirements? Will this building meet your local zoning regulations? Do the engineering drawings have to be approved by your planning commission? Is your purchase, contingent on approval by your local regulating authority? Who is responsible for the floor and foundation engineering? I have a friend who has a similiar structure with a dome type roof. He had a hard time erecting it and keeping it level and plumb. The corrugations have a tendency to creep. Once he start using scaffling instead of ladders, the assembly became much easier. It was assembled with nuts and bolts which have a sealing washers to prevent water leakage. Nevertheless, now that the building is erected, it looks good. However, the local county zoning regulations made him install a rest room (with septic tank and drain field), a water heater, and floor drains. Of course, these last items (along with utilities) were not part of the building package nor was the concrete floor and footings. The concrete floor and footings had to have steel reinforcement bars. The floor was raised about 4" above the building footing to prevent rain water from entering under the bottom of the vertical panels. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1146108928 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ron,
Do you have to consider seismic=20 requirements?  Will this building meet your local zoning regulations?&n= bsp;=20 Do the engineering drawings have to be approved by your planning=20 commission?  Is your purchase, contingent on approval by your local=20 regulating authority?  Who is responsible for the floor and foundation=20 engineering?
I have a friend who has= a=20 similiar structure with a dome type roof.  He had a hard time erecting=20= it=20 and keeping it level and plumb.  The corrugations have a tendency to=20 creep.  Once he start using scaffling instead of ladders, the assembly=20 became much easier.  It was assembled with nuts and bolts which have a=20 sealing washers to prevent water leakage.  Nevertheless, now that=20= the=20 building is erected, it looks good.  However, the local county zoning=20 regulations made him install a rest room (with septic tank and drain field),= a=20 water heater, and floor drains.  Of course, these last items (along wit= h=20 utilities) were not part of the=20 building package nor was the concrete floor and footings.  The=20 concrete floor and footings had to have steel reinforcement bars.  The=20 floor was raised about 4" above the building footing to prevent rain wa= ter=20 from entering under the bottom of the vertical panels.=20
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria,=20 CA
 From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 26 21:02:12 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:02:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060426.210212.868.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Joe. See what you can find. They list; 544 Pine Hollow Road. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:03:24 -0400 jlb94 at juno.com writes: > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his > life > (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Apr 26 23:32:00 2006 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (Cam grundy) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:32:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list OT References: Message-ID: <001b01c669c4$4b383880$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Hey Lyndsay I hope young Ben is better looking than you. Welcome back. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Back on the list > > Hi List members, > Considering that my son Ben has now joined the SEL I > thought it was about time I returned to the fray myself. I look forward to > hearing from all you guys again and getting into some serious engine talk. > > Regards, > Lyndsay. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 26 18:15:46 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:15:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED References: <410-220064326204540437@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003801c66998$1d22c040$536b4b47@mikecomp> I specialize in New Way storage for you Tim!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > hmmm, Royster and protected engine storage. Just doesn't sound right. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 4/26/2006 12:37:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED >> >> It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to > ship >> all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of >> blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from > all >> those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. >> >> MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arnie Fero" >> To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Slick >> Willy" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:16 AM >> Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED >> >> >> > Hi Folks, >> > >> > Damn, it sure pains me to be the bearer of such bad news. Don't make > any >> > plans beyond May 25th. >> > >> > http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63973 >> > >> > See ya, Arnie >> > >> > Arnie Fero >> > Pittsburgh, PA >> > fero_ah at city-net.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Apr 27 02:14:46 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show Message-ID: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler?s show in Irvine KY this weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks ?N?, 1 ? HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! Chuck Emsweller Rushville, IN From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 02:15:13 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:15:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Back on the list OT In-Reply-To: <001b01c669c4$4b383880$0401a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: Hi Cam---as you know mate that would not be hard. Thanks for the welcome mate Lyndsay >From: "Cam grundy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Back on the list OT >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:32:00 +1000 > >Hey Lyndsay I hope young Ben is better looking than you. Welcome back. >Cheers Cam >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndsay Frazer" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:15 AM >Subject: [SEL] Back on the list > > >> >>Hi List members, >> Considering that my son Ben has now joined the SEL I >>thought it was about time I returned to the fray myself. I look forward to >>hearing from all you guys again and getting into some serious engine talk. >> >>Regards, >>Lyndsay. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Apr 27 04:14:49 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <011701c669eb$ccc6f5e0$bd161941@pengy> I think American Steel Span is in McKees Rocks. They build the quonset type buildings. Perhaps this is a subsidiary or a reseller. Search ebay for Metal Buildings or Steel Buildings. The manufacturers sell new buildings of various sizes on ebay and will give you an idea of the prices for them. I like those buildings however I think the metal they use is way too thin, and you won't be able to hang much of anything from the structure. You can also go to steelbuilding.com and get an online quote for a conventional steel ramed building. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Metal building >I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life > (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Apr 27 05:02:58 2006 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:02:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. References: <444D0B61.4010802@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20060424225316.01a66140@mail.alltel.net> <444E097C.7060100@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <020c01c669f2$86fa98d0$bd161941@pengy> I went to a foundry auction yesterday and bought a shotblasting machine for $700. By 6 pm last night it was in the foundry, wired up and in service! This was the first auction that I've ever been to, and the first purchase that I ever made at one! It won't be my last. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pouring castings at the Tod Engine Works Class. > Dave, > For the same reason ALL rubbers fail.....too much pressure too much heat! > :-) > > The rubber fitting that failed was a rubber drain boot connecting flexible > hose (from the pump) to 1 1/8" copper tubing (on the heat exchanger). The > replacement fittings adapted the 1 1/8" copper fittings to smaller NPT > pipe so that the flexible hose could be slid over and worm gear clamped in > place. > Curt > P.S. As to picture taking.....you give a whole new meaning to exposure and > "f" stop! > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Curt, >> Sounds like a GREAT time was had by all! Exactly why did a rubber >> fitting fail? And how (exactly) could a rubber fitting be replaced with >> copper? >> Dave >> PS, Missy, Those "Cub Scout" pictures that you took are just between you >> and me. NO ONE else needs to see them! >> PPS, Thanks to Devin's grandparents! >> >> At 01:31 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 05:35:57 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the web. No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel buildings (or similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them or did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good to be true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better Business Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they are legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That way if things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys going after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are scam artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have more old iron than space to work. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From mholland at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 27 06:42:36 2006 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1376.65.6.251.236.1146145356.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Ron, Is this the place you are talking about? http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard Missy > Hi Ron, > > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the web. > No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel buildings (or > similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 07:24:51 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <1376.65.6.251.236.1146145356.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <20060426.230556.1084.2.jlb94@juno.com> <1376.65.6.251.236.1146145356.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, 800 number, no brick & mortar address.... Hold onto your wallet. 8-)) On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Missy Holland wrote: > Is this the place you are talking about? > http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 27 08:27:09 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:27:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <444F8783.9020808@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >could you explain what the passages and ports are? What the >burner bears on (heats)? What each of the threaded parts are >connected to? What the jacket is for? Etc. Yes, we saw hotbulbs >on engines while we were in Oz, but looking at the outside of a >hot bulb makes it look deceptively simple. Apparently there is >a lot going on inside. An explaination would be most helpful >and appreciated. Hi Curt, Really, it's dirt simple. To start, let's put the picture of Patrick's Blackstone out of our heads. We'll first talk about the Hornsby-Akroyd style vaporizer. Visualize a stubby little propane bottle like you'd put on a plumber's torch. That's pretty close to what the inside of the vaporizer looks like, except on the inside of the vaporizer there are ribs running lengthwise. The neck of the bottle is the throat that goes to the cylinder. In the side of the vaporizer is a hole into which fits the injector nozzle. The lamp is placed under the domed end of the vaporizer until it is sufficiently hot -- but not too hot. If you heat it up too much, all the goodness goes out of the fuel. We can discuss "goodness" at another time. When the engine is running, oil is squirted into the vaporizer on the intake stroke. It hits the walls and instantly vaporizes, but there is insufficient oxygen for it to burn. On the compression stroke, clean air is forced into the vaporizer. When the oxygen rich air mixes with the hot oil vapor, ignition occurs. Understand now? Dirt simple. However, every design engineer with a slide rule and a sheet of paper has is own idea of what will bring him fame and riches. Blackstone built an "improved" vaporizer which you see in Patrick's pictures. Interestingly, the exact same design was used by Ronaldson Bros. & Tippett on their Australs. Take a look at Patrick's picture again. You see TWO chambers connected by a narrow passageway. The end with the threads is what sticks out the back of the engine. The area at the top of the picture is what attaches to the cylinder. The smaller chamber is on the bottom, and it is here where the flame from the lamp is applied. The first major difference in this design is the cylindrical area near the top of the picture. Into this bore fits a "timing valve" It's a cylinder with a notch cut out of it. It rotates such that the vaporizer and the cylinder are isolated from one another. On the compression stroke, the timing valve opens, allowing air into the vaporizer. The second major difference I've only seen on the Austral. I've never had a Blackstone apart or seen detailed drawings of the guts. So I'll explain it from the down-under perspective. Note the threaded areas. Into the smaller chamber is screwed a plug; the hole is just there for manufacturing. Into the larger chamber is screwed an "ignitor case." Don't get hung up on the nomenclature, it's not like a low tension ignitor. It's a hollow cylinder that barely sticks into the vaporizer. There are some small holes in the ignitor case. On the inside of the ignitor case is the "ignitor coil." All it is a wound up strip of metal. The idea is that the coil will retain heat, aiding in ignition. It's much simpler than ignition systems with invisible magnetism and magic electrons, huh? Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 27 08:32:55 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:32:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re: Castings/now hot bulb engines Message-ID: <008101c66a0f$dc87f870$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Hi again Curt, One more thing I forgot to mention about the Blackstone design. See the big round hole on the right side of Patrick's picture? That's where the fuel and air come in. Remember in the Akroyd-Stuart design, fuel was injected. The Blackstone inducted fuel AND air into the vaporizer, through what looks like a conventional carburetor. The mixture is still to rich to burn until clean air is forced into the vaporizer. Rob =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi Curt, Really, it's dirt simple. To start, let's put the picture of Patrick's Blackstone out of our heads. We'll first talk about the Hornsby-Akroyd style vaporizer. Visualize a stubby little propane bottle like you'd put on a plumber's torch. That's pretty close to what the inside of the vaporizer looks like, except on the inside of the vaporizer there are ribs running lengthwise. The neck of the bottle is the throat that goes to the cylinder. In the side of the vaporizer is a hole into which fits the injector nozzle. The lamp is placed under the domed end of the vaporizer until it is sufficiently hot -- but not too hot. If you heat it up too much, all the goodness goes out of the fuel. We can discuss "goodness" at another time. When the engine is running, oil is squirted into the vaporizer on the intake stroke. It hits the walls and instantly vaporizes, but there is insufficient oxygen for it to burn. On the compression stroke, clean air is forced into the vaporizer. When the oxygen rich air mixes with the hot oil vapor, ignition occurs. Understand now? Dirt simple. However, every design engineer with a slide rule and a sheet of paper has is own idea of what will bring him fame and riches. Blackstone built an "improved" vaporizer which you see in Patrick's pictures. Interestingly, the exact same design was used by Ronaldson Bros. & Tippett on their Australs. Take a look at Patrick's picture again. You see TWO chambers connected by a narrow passageway. The end with the threads is what sticks out the back of the engine. The area at the top of the picture is what attaches to the cylinder. The smaller chamber is on the bottom, and it is here where the flame from the lamp is applied. The first major difference in this design is the cylindrical area near the top of the picture. Into this bore fits a "timing valve" It's a cylinder with a notch cut out of it. It rotates such that the vaporizer and the cylinder are isolated from one another. On the compression stroke, the timing valve opens, allowing air into the vaporizer. The second major difference I've only seen on the Austral. I've never had a Blackstone apart or seen detailed drawings of the guts. So I'll explain it from the down-under perspective. Note the threaded areas. Into the smaller chamber is screwed a plug; the hole is just there for manufacturing. Into the larger chamber is screwed an "ignitor case." Don't get hung up on the nomenclature, it's not like a low tension ignitor. It's a hollow cylinder that barely sticks into the vaporizer. There are some small holes in the ignitor case. On the inside of the ignitor case is the "ignitor coil." All it is a wound up strip of metal. The idea is that the coil will retain heat, aiding in ignition. It's much simpler than ignition systems with invisible magnetism and magic electrons, huh? Rob From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 09:01:47 2006 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:01:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville In-Reply-To: <2d1.7a09694.318143bc@aol.com> Message-ID: I'll be bringing the IHC sawrig and a few others before the comet takes them all away! Steve Royster >From: Germoamer at aol.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Reidsville >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:44:28 EDT > >Anyone going to the Reidsville, NC show this saturday before the comet >hits? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 09:27:40 2006 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060427162740.59311.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The guy that signed the letter included a Tyner, NC address. Ron Arnie Fero wrote: Hmmmm, 800 number, no brick & mortar address.... Hold onto your wallet. 8-)) On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Missy Holland wrote: > Is this the place you are talking about? > http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-1347488693-1146155260=:57519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The guy that signed the letter included a Tyner, NC address.
Ron

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
Hmmmm, 800 number, no brick & mortar address.... Hold onto your wallet.
8-))

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Missy Holland wrote:

> Is this the place you are talking about?
> http://www.curvcosteelstructures.com/?refer=ot&kw=curvco&OVRAW=curvico&OVKEY=curvco&OVMTC=standard

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New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Apr 27 09:37:53 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:37:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Arine I really want to thank the ATIS family for their input on this. The web sit for this building is: http://www.curvcosteelbuildings.com/curvco_features.html and it is the style "P". Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero writes: > Hi Ron, > > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the > web. > No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel > buildings (or > similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. > > That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them > or > did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good > to be > true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better > Business > Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they > are > legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That > way if > things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys > going > after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are > scam > artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have > more > old iron than space to work. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 09:43:43 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:43:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427124147.039e0490@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ron, If I'm not mistaken a guy (new to the area) is putting up exactly the same building about a mile away from me. I could stop and ask some questions if you wish--just tell me what to ask! Dave At 12:37 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >Hi Arine >I really want to thank the ATIS family for their input on this. The web >sit for this building is: >http://www.curvcosteelbuildings.com/curvco_features.html >and it is the style "P". > > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside California USA >http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > >On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Fero > writes: > > Hi Ron, > > > > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the > > web. > > No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel > > buildings (or > > similar combinations) in McKees Rocks. > > > > That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them > > or > > did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good > > to be > > true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better > > Business > > Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they > > are > > legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That > > way if > > things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys > > going > > after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are > > scam > > artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have > > more > > old iron than space to work. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online > > > > > > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures > > > McKees Rocks, PA 15136. > > > > > > I can try to find out more if you wish. > > > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks. > > > It's not that big and someone should know of them. > > > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 27 10:10:53 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:10:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle Message-ID: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? Tom Texas, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 10:18:24 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle In-Reply-To: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: Hi Tom, One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. Good luck. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: > I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is > gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 10:22:00 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wanna Make Some Money? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Remember the repro Novo "S" cast iron hopper cover that recently sold on eBay for around $70? I just noticed that Hit & Miss lists them in their catalog for $20.50. You could turn a quick $50 each on eBay; at least until the word gets out. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 27 11:19:15 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:19:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c66a27$17a18d10$82347246@mycomputer> Thanks for the info... Tom TEXAS, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle > Hi Tom, > > One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like > Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, > Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). > > There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see > if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and > have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to > find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. > > Good luck. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: > >> I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is >> gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 11:35:47 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... Message-ID: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> April 27, 2006 Grey Hautaluoma/Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington (202) 358-0668/1726 RELEASE: 06-204 NASA CLARIFIES INFORMATION ON COMET APPROACH NASA issued information Thursday about Comet 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3, which will be passing Earth as it approaches the point nearest the sun during its 5.5 year orbit. Astronomers have been observing the comet for more than 75 years. The trajectory of this comet has been monitored and refined over time, and its path around the sun is well understood. The comet has broken into more than 40 fragments. Any pieces resulting from the breakup of its main body will come no closer than 5.5 million miles to Earth, or more than 20 times the Earth-moon distance, during its closest approaches May 12 - 28. Neither the main comet nor any of its pieces pose a danger to Earth. The main fragment C comet will pass closest to Earth on May 12 at a distance of approximately 7.3 million miles. It will be visible to small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation Vulpecula. NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope will observe the comet in May. NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has also viewed it. For images and more information about the comet, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/hubble For information about NASA and agency programs, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/home -end- Steve W. Life is not like a box of chocolates it's more like a jar of jalapenos- what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 27 12:07:16 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) In-Reply-To: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve, There a secret memo making the rounds that discusses this. It seems that post-Katrina and with the comet disaster looming, FEMA is being disbanded. They have acknowledged that "there is no way we can handle a disaster on a par with a comet strike." The White House issued an Executive Order to NASA to prepare and publicize a "calming" Press Release so that folks wouldn't panic and wouldn't cancel their magazine subscriptions. So, as the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sez, "DON'T PANIC!" and keep your towel handy. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Steve W. wrote: > April 27, 2006 > > RELEASE: 06-204 > NASA CLARIFIES INFORMATION ON COMET APPROACH > The comet has broken into more than 40 fragments. Any pieces resulting > from the breakup of its main body will come no closer than 5.5 > million miles to Earth, or more than 20 times the Earth-moon > distance, during its closest approaches May 12 - 28. Neither the main > comet nor any of its pieces pose a danger to Earth. From MBellar at aol.com Thu Apr 27 13:45:48 2006 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:45:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Rumely Oil Turn Pictures Message-ID: <37d.22f4934.3182877c@aol.com> Hi List A while back Arnie requested some pictures of tray cooled engines. I offered to send him a CD of my cooling systems picture files along with some shots of a friend's Rumely Oil Turn project. Ken Christison contacted me and said that he was willing to post them to the Internet for all of us to enjoy. I took Ken up on his generous offer, and here is the site _http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/bellar/_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/bellar/) Thank you Ken for a great job. Tom Bellar SW Ohio -------------------------------1146170748 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 27 15:23:46 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:23:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.093754.208.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <5653988c9d70dc0a36fe1b74a5be8156@chartertn.net> A "brick and mortar address" for a steel building company would be ironic, no? The owner's blurb on that page lists "Victoria, VA" as his location. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 27 15:26:01 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:26:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... In-Reply-To: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> > It will be visible to > small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation > Vulpecula. Quick, point out Vulpecula! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From cwja at telus.net Thu Apr 27 16:33:02 2006 From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair Message-ID: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice for me please. BTY please remember I am the Canadian Jeff , the good guy -- Jeff Allen Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 27 17:29:20 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:29:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <445161E0.1080008@scrtc.com> Chuck, I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the auction in Milton. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler?s show in Irvine KY this >weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks ?N?, 1 ? >HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! > >Chuck Emsweller >Rushville, IN >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 27 17:31:56 2006 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:31:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Reidsville Message-ID: <1ad.4a5decd5.3182bc7c@aol.com> I will be there Saturday morning with 2004 red, Chev, extended cab truck, with red trailer and red 7hp Economy saw rig on it, hope fully running! Hope to see everyone there. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 17:59:52 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:59:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <003801c66a5f$0efae980$371117d1@net.telenet.net> It's up about there, See it now? No, Well would you look where I'm pointing....... That's where it is.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... > > It will be visible to > > small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation > > Vulpecula. > > Quick, point out Vulpecula! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 18:03:14 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:03:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <003c01c66a5f$87526840$371117d1@net.telenet.net> It is actually the "Little Fox" constellation here are a couple sites that will show you where to look . http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/skycharts/vul.gif http://www.seds.org/messier/map/Vul.html Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... > > It will be visible to > > small telescopes during the morning hours in the constellation > > Vulpecula. > > Quick, point out Vulpecula! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Apr 27 18:11:25 2006 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:11:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <005601c66a60$abf06160$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Arnie, Your closer to the truth on FEMA than you probably know. There is a LOT of pressure to either separate it out of the DOHS or to eliminate it entirely. Been getting a lot of memos from other folks involved with FEMA (I am associated with them as a trainer) about the shake up. Personally it was easier to get things done when it was a separate agency but they were always behind the curve on many things. Now it's typical gov. red tape unless you enjoy "special status". Have you seen the newest movie version of HGG? Kind of a let down from the series though. About like the newest version of Dr. Who, too many hands in the pie I guess. Steve Williams > To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Slick Willy" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) > Hi Steve, > > There a secret memo making the rounds that discusses this. > > It seems that post-Katrina and with the comet disaster looming, FEMA is > being disbanded. They have acknowledged that "there is no way we can > handle a disaster on a par with a comet strike." > > The White House issued an Executive Order to NASA to prepare and publicize > a "calming" Press Release so that folks wouldn't panic and wouldn't > cancel their magazine subscriptions. > > So, as the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sez, "DON'T PANIC!" and keep > your towel handy. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Steve W. wrote: > > > April 27, 2006 > > > > RELEASE: 06-204 > > NASA CLARIFIES INFORMATION ON COMET APPROACH > > > > > The comet has broken into more than 40 fragments. Any pieces resulting > > from the breakup of its main body will come no closer than 5.5 > > million miles to Earth, or more than 20 times the Earth-moon > > distance, during its closest approaches May 12 - 28. Neither the main > > comet nor any of its pieces pose a danger to Earth. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 27 18:32:09 2006 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... In-Reply-To: <003c01c66a5f$87526840$371117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <388d9693ad9875c07bbe2b94cc483914@chartertn.net> <003c01c66a5f$87526840$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <5a64199933b198a1a95ade82b6be0ff6@chartertn.net> On either side of it are Cygnus and Delphinus, two of the few constellations that to me really look like what they're named for. John On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Steve W. wrote: > It is actually the "Little Fox" constellation here are a couple sites > that will show you where to look . > > http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/skycharts/vul.gif > http://www.seds.org/messier/map/Vul.html John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 18:38:20 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:38:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060426.191024.868.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060426.191024.868.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427213714.039bd6e8@mail.alltel.net> >The story is the Marines ordered the building, put $3,000 down, then >backed out at the last minute. They will let me have it for the balance, >then knocked off another $1,000, and free delivery. >Ron Haskell Hi Ron, If you believe that story I have a bridge that you might want to consider! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 18:47:53 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:47:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Show season gets a reprieve... (not really) In-Reply-To: <005601c66a60$abf06160$371117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <00a501c66a29$671a0640$161117d1@net.telenet.net> <005601c66a60$abf06160$371117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427214703.03a76a70@mail.alltel.net> At 09:11 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >Arnie, > > Your closer to the truth on FEMA than you probably know. > >Steve Williams Steve, Why would you say that? Arnie KNOWS everything! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 27 19:21:48 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:21:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <20060428022122.HTZI27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Rob, I think you covered it all very well. The Austral & Blackstone hot-bulbs are pretty much identical in operation as the Austral is essentially a copy of the Blackstone (and can be debated as on improvement on the design). The only real difference is the position of the timing valve (on the Blackstone it is vertical and on the Austral horizontal) and the position of the fuel valve (on the Blackstone it is on the side and on the Austral on top). One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is heart-stopping. Australs are supposedly less prone to this problem by the valve being on top and further away from the lamp. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Apr 27 19:22:47 2006 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:22:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Can you deliver that bridge Dave? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > Hi Ron, If you believe that story I have a bridge that you might > want to > consider! From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 27 19:48:48 2006 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:48:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060427224338.03ab1878@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ron, YES! The marines ordered it for an invasion of Iraq, but China and Russia will exercise a veto tomorrow. Thus I can get it for you at a really good price. Contact me off List for details! Dave PS, An overhead 9'X9' or 9'X18' door can also be supplied at a VERY reasonable additional cost! At 10:22 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote: >Can you deliver that bridge Dave? > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > > Hi Ron, If you believe that story I have a bridge that you might > > want to > > consider! From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Apr 27 20:04:14 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:04:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: <410-220064528341478@earthlink.net> is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, rednecked. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > I specialize in New Way storage for you Tim!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > > > hmmm, Royster and protected engine storage. Just doesn't sound right. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > >> > >> It would seem that the wise thing to do, is for all the LIST members to > > ship > >> all their engines to NC, a certified "comet free" zone. I have plenty of > >> blue tarps and a biggggggg field to keep them til the water recinds from > > all > >> those low states or "comet prone" states as we refer to them. > >> > >> MR "the good Royster" in comet free, NC > >> From clemsweller at etczone.com Thu Apr 27 20:32:32 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:32:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <445161E0.1080008@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000801c66a74$627456e0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Tommy, I know that is a tough decision. Looks like it will be a good auction there in Milton. If you go that way, hope something follows you home! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show Chuck, I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the auction in Milton. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler?s show in Irvine KY this >weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks ?N?, 1 ? >HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! > >Chuck Emsweller >Rushville, IN >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 27 21:09:12 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:09:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <000801c66a74$627456e0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000801c66a74$627456e0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. Tommy >Tommy, > >I know that is a tough decision. Looks like it will be a good auction >there in Milton. If you go that way, hope something follows you home! > >Chuck > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show > >Chuck, >I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing > >each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the >auction in Milton. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >>Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler's show in Irvine KY this >>weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >>tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks "N", 1 ? >>HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >>one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >>and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! >> >>Chuck Emsweller >>Rushville, IN >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------070102040002060101070802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site.  Boy, that guy sure collected junk.  It looks like nothing ever got thrown away.  I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell.  I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. 

Tommy


Tommy,

I know that is a tough decision.  Looks like it will be a good auction
there in Milton.  If you go that way, hope something follows you home!

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show

Chuck,
I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing

each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the 
auction in Milton.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  
Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler’s show in Irvine KY this
weekend?  I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early
tomorrow morning to go to the show.  Taking the 10HP Fairbanks “N”, 1 ½
HP Hercules, 1 ½ HP Sandow, and  a Choremaster.  For a young show, this
one has been pretty good!  There were over 100 engines their first year
and it has grown each year since.  Hope to see some of you there!

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN
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From gibsongus at myway.com Thu Apr 27 22:45:29 2006 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Metal building Message-ID: <20060428054529.28AFA233D5@mprdmxin.myway.com> What building ??? if you find it maybe I can pull it over to your house with my JD (D)-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Thu 04/27, Ron D Haskell < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: Ron D Haskell [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:37:53 -0700Subject: Re: [SEL] Metal buildingHi ArineI really want to thank the ATIS family for their input on this. The websit for this building is:http://www.curvcosteelbuildings.com/curvco_features.htmland it is the style "P".Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside California USAhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Arnie Ferowrites:> Hi Ron,> > I'm with Joe on this one. I can find NOTHING on these folks on the > web.> No name, no address, no phone number, no listing under steel > buildings (or> similar combinations) in McKees Rocks.> > That would certainly raise a red flag for me. Did you approach them > or> did they come knocking on your door with an offer that was "too good > to be> true"? Might be worth doing a little checking with the Better > Business> Bureau and/or the US Attorney's office. If you decide that they > are> legit, it might also make sence to pay by major credit card. That > way if> things go tits up you can dispute the charge, and have the big boys > going> after the company. Let us know what you find out. If they are > scam> artists they might approach other poor buggers on the list who have > more> old iron than space to work.> > See ya, Arnie> > On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:> > > I just looked on the Yellow Pages online> >> > they have no listing on Curvico Steel Structures> > McKees Rocks, PA 15136.> >> > I can try to find out more if you wish.> > My wife and my Brother were from McKees Rocks.> > It's not that big and someone should know of them.> >> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that.> _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 00:09:02 2006 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:09:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair In-Reply-To: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> Message-ID: G'day Jeff. There is nothing to be concerned about when taking the magntes off your Sumter as long as you use a keeper on them. I would however re-magnetise them before putting them back on making sure that poles are the same way of course. I recently was asked to re magnitise a sumpter for a fellow and was not having much sucess. I found that someone else had in fact reversed one magnet. After this was rectified all was fine and his engine now runs fine. Regards Lyndsay >From: Allen Home >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:02 -0600 > >I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless >Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me >into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would >like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things >apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag >apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen >and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the >magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to >buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice >for me please. > >BTY please remember I am the Canadian Jeff , the good guy > >-- >Jeff Allen Home >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Apr 28 01:35:29 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:35:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reidsville In-Reply-To: <1ad.4a5decd5.3182bc7c@aol.com> References: <1ad.4a5decd5.3182bc7c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4451D3D1.9060803@comcast.net> Alright Tom : A Chevy man! I just could tell by your postings,you're an intelligent fella. From one Chevy lover to another: mike From guitronics at comcast.net Fri Apr 28 01:40:04 2006 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:40:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Metal building In-Reply-To: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20060427.192248.500.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4451D4E4.9090309@comcast.net> "Can you deliver that bridge Dave? Ron Haskell" Yeah,I'd like to know more about it's construction,materials,size and shape.Can it be cut into a trailerable size (autohauler) for shipment? I'm assuning it's mostly metal. mike From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 02:36:28 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:36:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= >From: Judge Tommy Turner > >I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. >Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got thrown >away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't >decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other >stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of >Rushville. > >Tommy From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Apr 28 02:40:10 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:40:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060428093944.CLYH25409.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Five spoke flywheels, possibly Ingeco? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From mcghee9 at comcast.net Thu Apr 27 18:32:53 2006 From: mcghee9 at comcast.net (McGhee) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:32:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show References: <000001c669db$0750adc0$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <000001c66ab0$9ef3bd40$5288b143@hsd1.mi.comcast.net> I was wondering about the show. I will be there tomorrow afternoon. Carl McGhee Battle Creek, Mi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Emsweller" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:14 AM Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler's show in Irvine KY this weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks "N", 1 ? HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! Chuck Emsweller Rushville, IN _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Apr 28 02:05:16 2006 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:05:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] RE: Wolseley R /TOMM magazine Message-ID: <200604281156437.SM01416@new.databak.co.za> Hi All on SEL, I posted this "Thanks" to the Oldengine list on Wednesday but inadvertently forgot to send it to SEL. The original request went to both lists and, as I received most replies "off list", I did not know which list the replies came from so this is for the SEL members who may not have seen my OldEngine reply. Apologies to those getting it twice - you,ve got a "delete" key. >Hi Guys, Wow ! You Aussies are the greatest - pity that your cricket team is also the greatest :-(. [Note to Dave Rotigel - this has nothing to do with fishing :-)] After my request re Wolseley R last night my inbox has overflowed with mail from Aus and I'd like to say thanks to all of you. Most of it contained scanned attachments so thanks for sending it "off list" as it may have filled other members mailboxes unnecessarily. Brad Soward, Peter Ogborne, Peter Lowe, Dave Carter, Kerry Morris, Ron Page and others all replied with really useful info. Thanks to you all. This afternoon I went and had a look at the other 6 H.P. Model R that I mentioned. This one has the original flywheels but has a lot of other parts missing. Hell - it is a seriously ugly looking engine with those big flywheels!! I've only seen mine (sans flywheels) and visualised it as being a pretty good looking engine. I think mine will look pretty good with the Lister spoked flywheels (albeit - not original). Thanks for all the input and I'll keep you informed as usual. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191 Visit our website for old engines in South Africa. www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From clemsweller at etczone.com Fri Apr 28 03:37:01 2006 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:37:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c66aaf$aeeb6000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> The sale bill made it sound better than you. Of course that's not uncommon. If you came down 3, south of Rushville, you went through a very small town of Sandusky. I am about 7 miles east of that small town. Anyway, waiting on the wife to finish getting ready so we can head to Irvine. Should be there by 10:30 or so. It's been a long winter, and I am ready for our first show of the year. Maybe we will still see you up there. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:09 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. Tommy >Tommy, > >I know that is a tough decision. Looks like it will be a good auction >there in Milton. If you go that way, hope something follows you home! > >Chuck > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge >Tommy Turner >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show > >Chuck, >I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing > >each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the >auction in Milton. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > > >>Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler's show in Irvine KY this >>weekend? I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early >>tomorrow morning to go to the show. Taking the 10HP Fairbanks "N", 1 ? >>HP Hercules, 1 ? HP Sandow, and a Choremaster. For a young show, this >>one has been pretty good! There were over 100 engines their first year >>and it has grown each year since. Hope to see some of you there! >> >>Chuck Emsweller >>Rushville, IN >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------070102040002060101070802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site.  Boy, that guy sure collected junk.  It looks like nothing ever got thrown away.  I saw only an item or two that I might be interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and watch all the other stuff sell.  I came back on highway 3 and came right through the middle of Rushville. 

Tommy


Tommy,

I know that is a tough decision.  Looks like it will be a good auction
there in Milton.  If you go that way, hope something follows you home!

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.
stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces
@lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show

Chuck,
I thought about going. I hear its a good show and as you say, is growing

each year. I may not go though if I end up heading your way for the 
auction in Milton.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


  
Anyone else headed to the Hillbilly Flywheeler’s
show in Irvine KY this
weekend?  I have the trailer loaded and will be pulling out early
tomorrow morning to go to the show.  Taking the 10HP Fairbanks
“N”, 1 ½
HP Hercules, 1 ½ HP Sandow, and  a Choremaster.  For a young
show, this
one has been pretty good!  There were over 100 engines their first year
and it has grown each year since.  Hope to see some of you there!

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN
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e.com
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_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 28 04:29:17 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:29:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <410-220064528341478@earthlink.net> References: <410-220064528341478@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4451FC8D.8020900@imc-group.com> Tim, Ya know there are so many blue tarps in his backyard that word has gotten around the local aviation community and this sea-of-blue has become a navigational landmark when flying VFR! :-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Tim Christoff wrote: >is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature >controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, rednecked. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 28 04:39:18 2006 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:39:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle In-Reply-To: References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <4451FEE6.2010906@imc-group.com> Tom, Do you have a friend with a small lathe? Here is how I make them and keep them straight.. This was one of my early attempts at documentation, so sorry about the dark images. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Tom, > >One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like >Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, >Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). > >There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see >if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and >have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to >find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. > >Good luck. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: > > > >>I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is >>gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? >> >> > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 05:39:42 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:39:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44520D0E.8040501@scrtc.com> Luke, I had a great deal of interest in it until I saw it. The gearing is gone (some teeth on both the crank and cam gear are rusted almost completely away), the cylinder is pitted bad and its about as rusty a hunk of iron as I've ever seen. Surprisingly, its not stuck. You can roll it over and look in the back of the cylinder. Some REAL heavy pitting can be seen. I suspicion this old hunk of iron has never seen the inside of a shed in its lifetime. It would have to be pretty cheap to end up in my barn. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Hi Tommy, > > How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with > hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. > > http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 > > Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? > > http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > ============================= > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> >> I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction >> site. Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever >> got thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be >> interested in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all >> day and watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and >> came right through the middle of Rushville. >> >> Tommy > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 06:03:24 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:03:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show In-Reply-To: <000001c66aaf$aeeb6000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c66aaf$aeeb6000$1619b840@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <4452129C.1040700@scrtc.com> Yup Chuck, I came right through there. Its 50/50 as to which way I'll head. Its about a 3 hour drive to the auction and about a 2 1/2 hour drive to the show. The pickup will lead me! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky >The sale bill made it sound better than you. Of course that's not >uncommon. If you came down 3, south of Rushville, you went through a >very small town of Sandusky. I am about 7 miles east of that small >town. > >Anyway, waiting on the wife to finish getting ready so we can head to >Irvine. Should be there by 10:30 or so. It's been a long winter, and I >am ready for our first show of the year. > >Maybe we will still see you up there. > >Chuck > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 06:46:25 2006 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:46:25 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: <44520D0E.8040501@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tommy I appreciate the report. I would have been really disappointed to drive 6 hours then find that out. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA P.S. I built a cart for the Peerless, will make it easier to move around, get it in the garage, and do some work on it. ====================== >From: Judge Tommy Turner > >Luke, > I had a great deal of interest in it until I saw it. The gearing is >gone (some teeth on both the crank and cam gear are rusted almost >completely away), the cylinder is pitted bad and its about as rusty a hunk >of iron as I've ever seen. Surprisingly, its not stuck. You can roll it >over and look in the back of the cylinder. Some REAL heavy pitting can be >seen. I suspicion this old hunk of iron has never seen the inside of a >shed in its lifetime. It would have to be pretty cheap to end up in my >barn. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Apr 28 06:48:56 2006 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:48:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: References: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060428084754.051414c8@herculesengines.com> The engine in picture #2 looks to be an Echo weed eater.:-) Shouldn't bring to much but does have a very small flywheel. Keith At 04:36 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: >Hi Tommy, > >How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with >hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. > >http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 > >Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? > >http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > >============================= > >>From: Judge Tommy Turner >> >>I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction site. >>Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got >>thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested >>in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and >>watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came >>right through the middle of Rushville. >> >>Tommy > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Keith Kinney Evansville, Indiana USA www.HerculesEngines.com From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 28 06:50:16 2006 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:50:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> <4451FEE6.2010906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001e01c66aca$ae83f760$82347246@mycomputer> Thanks for the info Curt.. Now to find a good lathe and learn a new skill... Tom Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle > Tom, > Do you have a friend with a small lathe? Here is how I make them and keep > them straight.. > > This was one of my early attempts at documentation, so sorry about the > dark images. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Tom, >> >>One suggestion would be to take your mixer to the larger shows (like >>Coolspring & Portland) that are attended by the parts guys (Starbolt, >>Pederson, etc. for new and guys like Kenny Meeks for used). >> >>There are both repro and used mixer needles out there. Try some and see >>if you find one that fits. Worst case, find someone with the engine and >>have them do a dimensioned sketch of the needle. You should be able to >>find someone who would make some chips for a fellow engine man. >> >>Good luck. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Tom Dunlap wrote: >> >> >>>I need a needle for the mixer on my stover 3 HP model W .. mine is >>>gone.... what might work, or does anyone have one to sell? >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 07:28:44 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4452269C.3020206@scrtc.com> Luke, If you were hoping for a nice hunk of iron, I don't think you'll find it at this particular auction. I thought I had some rusty stuff, but the iron at this junk even makes the little gearless olds engine I got off you look like a "nice original". So, that should give you a hint as to the condition of most of it. Send me some photos of the Peerless and the progress you make on it. Tommy > Thanks Tommy I appreciate the report. I would have been really > disappointed to drive 6 hours then find that out. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > P.S. I built a cart for the Peerless, will make it easier to move > around, get it in the garage, and do some work on it. > ====================== > >> From: Judge Tommy Turner >> >> Luke, >> I had a great deal of interest in it until I saw it. The gearing >> is gone (some teeth on both the crank and cam gear are rusted almost >> completely away), the cylinder is pitted bad and its about as rusty a >> hunk of iron as I've ever seen. Surprisingly, its not stuck. You >> can roll it over and look in the back of the cylinder. Some REAL >> heavy pitting can be seen. I suspicion this old hunk of iron has >> never seen the inside of a shed in its lifetime. It would have to be >> pretty cheap to end up in my barn. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 07:33:01 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:33:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hillbilly Flywheeler's show / now Milton Auction In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060428084754.051414c8@herculesengines.com> References: <44519568.4000706@scrtc.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060428084754.051414c8@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <4452279D.907@scrtc.com> Keith, The IH is the one that Luke and I have been chatting about. Its rusty and needs a bunch of TLC but its not stuck (don't know how though). I don't think the rear wheels (small ones) are correct though as the engine sits downhill about 6 inches from the front to rear. It would be a nice winter (or two) project. The 5 spoker is an Ingeco. Its probably the best engine on the grounds but even its had the mag bracket cut off, bored, and a spark plug screwed in. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > The engine in picture #2 looks to be an Echo weed eater.:-) > Shouldn't bring to much but does have a very small flywheel. > Keith > > > At 04:36 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: > >> Hi Tommy, >> >> How did the 12hp IH look? I thought about going to the auction with >> hopes of bringing it home, but think I'm going to pass. >> >> http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=16 >> >> Anybody have any ideas what this engine is in the link below? >> >> http://www.aumannauctions.com/auction_pages/featured.php?pid=53&pic=28 >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> >> ============================= >> >>> From: Judge Tommy Turner >>> >>> I had to be in northern Indiana on Thurs. and stopped by the auction >>> site. >>> Boy, that guy sure collected junk. It looks like nothing ever got >>> thrown away. I saw only an item or two that I might be interested >>> in but haven't decided that I would be willing to stay all day and >>> watch all the other stuff sell. I came back on highway 3 and came >>> right through the middle of Rushville. >>> >>> Tommy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Keith Kinney > Evansville, Indiana USA > www.HerculesEngines.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 28 07:36:05 2006 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:36:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle In-Reply-To: <001e01c66aca$ae83f760$82347246@mycomputer> References: <000801c66a1d$8aa39510$82347246@mycomputer> <4451FEE6.2010906@imc-group.com> <001e01c66aca$ae83f760$82347246@mycomputer> Message-ID: <44522855.4000806@scrtc.com> Tom, Check out ebay. I'm surprise at some of the lathes on there and how reasonable some are (especially the older ones). Be cautious though. If you found one for sale and it was within a hundred miles of you, I'd recommend that you take a look at it. If they're complete worn out, you're about as well off sticking a piece of metal in your drill and holding it against your grinder. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Thanks for the info Curt.. Now to find a good lathe and learn a new > skill... > > > Tom > Texas From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Apr 28 07:43:08 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:43:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer Message-ID: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be someone on one of the engine lists. While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the damage. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Apr 28 07:51:32 2006 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:51:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle Message-ID: <37b.240ecdf.318385f4@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/2006 5:07:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: Do you have a friend with a small lathe? Here is how I make them and keep them straight.. This was one of my early attempts at documentation, so sorry about the dark images. Curt, Thanks to the information on your web site, I was able to fabricate needle valves for my IHC M. The secret to your method was to make the needle point first. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA -------------------------------1146235892 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 28 09:23:10 2006 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:23:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <20060428022122.HTZI27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <015801c66ae0$0b87de30$0201a8c0@robscomputer> >One little danger with these engines is >the fuel valve. As the engine governs on the non-opening >of this valve prolonged exposure of the valve spring to >heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking off. Wow Patrick, I never thought of that. Such a failure would render my "Last-ditch contingency plan" ineffective. The old plan involved stopping the fuel valve by removing the cam follower. Obviously, this would not help in the event of a failure like you describe. The revised plan is to manually hold open the intake. Thanks for the safety alert. Rob From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 12:21:54 2006 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:21:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <200604281600.k3SG04IZ011330@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Message: 48 >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:43:08 -0500 >From: "Gary Epps" >Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer >To: "SEL" , > >Message-ID: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40 at gary> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be >someone on one of the engine lists. > >While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic >acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a >strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to >repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no >recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that >someone >may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the >damage. >Any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gary >In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >the >USA, where both life and I move slowly. There is a company named Eastwood that seels to the automobile restorer crowd. I think that they make a product that is supposed to reproduce the appearance of galvanized parts. http://www.eastwoodco.com/ From bmvid at snet.net Fri Apr 28 13:06:34 2006 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:06:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <445275CA.6080403@snet.net> Hi Gary: I don't have an answer to your problem but how long did it take the acid to strip of the galvanized surface? I often have to sand the coating off scrap pipe and angle iron before welding and painting. A quick dip and rinse would make things alot easier. Mick Gary Epps wrote: > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely > be someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall > muratic acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which > promptly ate a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product > that I can use to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel > had no recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit > that someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to > repair the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Apr 28 13:14:51 2006 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:14:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> <445275CA.6080403@snet.net> Message-ID: <00fd01c66b00$6d008340$6283fb40@gary> It didn't take very long. I don't now recall how long before it showed signs of deterioration, but it wasn't very long. Use a plastic container or such for your dip tank. It will be interesting to see if it is a useable procedure for you. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick DeMaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer > Hi Gary: > I don't have an answer to your problem but how long did it take the acid > to strip of the galvanized surface? > I often have to sand the coating off scrap pipe and angle iron before > welding and painting. A quick dip and rinse would make things alot easier. > > Mick > > > > Gary Epps wrote: > >> This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely >> be someone on one of the engine lists. >> >> While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic >> acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate >> a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use >> to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no >> recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that >> someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair >> the damage. Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Gary >> In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of >> the USA, where both life and I move slowly. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 14:32:22 2006 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:32:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED Message-ID: <410-220064528213222921@earthlink.net> Has the local law checked under all those tarps lately, you never know what you will find hiding under an area as large as that, a bit of smokie smokie comes to mind. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Curt > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/28/2006 6:37:02 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > > Tim, > Ya know there are so many blue tarps in his backyard that word has > gotten around the local aviation community and this sea-of-blue has > become a navigational landmark when flying VFR! :-) > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Tim Christoff wrote: > > >is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature > >controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, rednecked. > > > >Tim Christoff > >Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 4/27/2006 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 28 15:49:27 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:49:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <001b01c66b16$04adcf30$f5f631cb@ogborneuah38i3> The only thing i would suggest Gary is a Cold Zinc paint. This is the normal surface treatment to any welds onto gal surfaces. The paint soon takes on an oxide appearance. After all it is Zinc powder in a solvent carrier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "SEL" ; Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be > someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that > someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair > the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 28 15:28:05 2006 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: Hi Gary, Go to McMaster-Carr and search on "Galvanizing Coatings". It looks like there are a number of products that will do what you want. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Gary Epps wrote: > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that someone > may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the damage. From jbcast at charter.net Fri Apr 28 17:33:30 2006 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:33:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Galvanized Boat Trailer Message-ID: <2017325708.1146270810347.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> > >While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > >acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > >strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > >repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > >recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that > >someone > >may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair the > >damage. > >Any suggestions? > > > >Thanks in advance. > > There's a product called Cold Galv, available in a spray can. You'll probably have to spray the entire fender, it'll look galvenized and stop rust. J.B. Castagnos From mr at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 28 15:14:48 2006 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:14:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED References: <410-220064528213222921@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009601c66b11$29d8fbe0$536b4b47@mikecomp> Must be Kansas talk for horse corn!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED > Has the local law checked under all those tarps lately, you never know > what > you will find hiding under an area as large as that, a bit of smokie > smokie > comes to mind. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Curt >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 4/28/2006 6:37:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2006 Engine Show Season - CANCELLED >> >> Tim, >> Ya know there are so many blue tarps in his backyard that word has >> gotten around the local aviation community and this sea-of-blue has >> become a navigational landmark when flying VFR! :-) >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> Tim Christoff wrote: >> >> >is that heated storage Mike? They like to be indoors in a tempature >> >controlled room. Blue tarps just seem so.......well you know, >> >rednecked. >> > >> >Tim Christoff >> >Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 4/27/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 28 20:22:02 2006 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:22:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stover "w" mixer needle Message-ID: <20060428.233104.1240.1.jlb94@juno.com> The last needle valve I made - I put a piece of brazing rod in the drill press and used a file, while the press was running, to file a point on the rod. Then I found a 1/8" brass pipe fitting that fit the mixer and after soldering a brass washer to the one end of the pipe fitting, to make a dial, soldered the rod into the other end of the pipe fitting. It took a little measuring and fitting. But then - - - I would think nothing of purchasing a $900 lathe to make a $9 needle valve. Go for it !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "The man who claims he never made a mistake in his life (_o_) generally has a wife who did.." From weolson at wiktel.com Fri Apr 28 20:35:25 2006 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:35:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer In-Reply-To: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <4452DEFD.4030905@wiktel.com> Go to the following site for ZRC? Cold Galvanizing Compound, available in brushable and spray cans. It can be ordered directly on line or by phone from them. http://www.zrcworldwide.com/p_zrc.asp William Olson Gary Epps wrote: > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most > likely be someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall > muratic acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which > promptly ate a strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product > that I can use to repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store > personnel had no recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing > repair kit that someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and > would like to repair the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part > of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Apr 28 23:28:01 2006 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:28:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <20060428022122.HTZI27710.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> >One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >heart-stopping. Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first made a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these old girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up and with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went as one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old girl down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had to save the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a friend with me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up big time!) we pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will run out quick enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was to hot to remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold the valve shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a decent hold onto the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was on our side as we managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve started to crush a little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve better and it slowed down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away the stained undies. Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left the engine alone for a little while. I think all this happened about the time on the SEL we were chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 years ago. Well I can smile about it now and talk about my 1000rpm blacky. From all this I guess could come a question for any oil engine gurus as to how would they (if there is an easy way) shut down a hot bulb engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if they ran away like that. Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Apr 29 00:18:41 2006 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:18:41 +1000 Subject: Spam/Phish> RE: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20060429071812.NWWB15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I have a pair of multi-grips in the tool box for grabbing the fuel valve if it happens to misbehave. Blocking the induction tube will sometimes stop an Austral or Blackstone and (if you are feeling strong) holding open the exhaust or air valves (or both if you have help). It is amazing how much speed the engines can pick up and how long it takes for those flywheels to slow down again! Thankfully my 3.5hp Austral has not played the fuel-valve trick but I keep my eye on it. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. Russell From svsuzanne at copper.net Sat Apr 29 02:30:23 2006 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:30:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer References: <00d301c66ad2$15f63050$6283fb40@gary> Message-ID: <007a01c66b6f$8c142470$bca40ad8@your6wz9c9s4x1> You can get a cold galvanizing in a rattle can from NAPA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "SEL" ; Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [SEL] OT Galvanized Boat Trailer > > This is very OFF TOPIC, but if anyone has an answer it will most likely be > someone on one of the engine lists. > > While cleaning the boat after taking it out of the lake last fall muratic > acid dripped on the fenders of the galvanized trailer which promptly ate a > strip of the galvanized surface off. Is there product that I can use to > repair the cosmetic damage? The paint store personnel had no > recommendations. I wonder if there is a galvanizing repair kit that > someone may be aware of. I am selling the boat and would like to repair > the damage. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of > the USA, where both life and I move slowly. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 4/22/2006 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 29 03:29:27 2006 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:29:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001f01c66b77$d0939150$e7fb30cb@ogborneuah38i3> Interesting subject Russell.......would the same problem arise with a three valve engine ? I ask because I have an engine ,make unknown . A lot of the essential bits were missing such as the fuel system . As I have nothing to copy I have to '' invent'' the system . It is a Hot Tube engine with a pecker operating the fuel or vapour valve and the fuel oil supply would be constant. One thing that worries me is the fact that the governor is belt driven so there will be no leaving the engine unattended! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > >>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>heart-stopping. > > Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with > the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of > this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even > been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my > engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot > bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It > made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first made > a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these old > girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up and > with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went as > one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old girl > down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had to save > the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a friend with > me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up big time!) we > pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will run out quick > enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was to hot to > remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold the valve > shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a decent hold onto > the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was on our side as we > managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve started to crush a > little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve better and it slowed > down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away the stained undies. > Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left the engine alone for a > little while. I think all this happened about the time on the SEL we were > chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 years ago. Well I can smile > about it now and talk about my 1000rpm blacky. From all this I guess could > come a question for any oil engine gurus as to how would they (if there is > an easy way) shut down a hot bulb engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if > they ran away like that. > > Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Apr 29 06:14:02 2006 From: don.h at wcoil.com (don) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:14:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines References: <007d01c66a0f$0de39470$0201a8c0@robscomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20060429160020.00bd4108@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001c01c66b8e$c8df6710$6500a8c0@PREFERREB23498> I dont have a engine like that but I am guessing you could flood the engine with tooo much fuel and choke it to death with a over rich mixture of gas as could you spray wd 40 or something like that in the intack vaulve area ???? don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Castings/now hot bulb engines > >>One little danger with these engines is the fuel valve. As >>the engine governs on the non-opening of this valve prolonged exposure of >>the valve spring to heat can lead to the excitement of the engine taking >>off. I have seen this happen with both Australs and Blackstones and it is >>heart-stopping. > > Heart stopping is putting it mildly Patrick. This has happened to me with > the very first time of starting my 6.5hp Blacky. There was no warning of > this happening as all the fuel valve assembly looked fine. It had even > been pulled apart, cleaned up and re-assembled. The first few tries my > engine didn't start. I made a new coil for the bottom section of the hot > bulb out of thin sheet metal. once this was done gave it another go. It > made the difference for the engine as it soon fired up. When it first made > a few puffs I had the usual smiles one get when bring one of these old > girls back to life. However the smile soon left as the revs moved up and > with no apparent way to shut the engine down; my smiles quickly went as > one was wondering do I just run; or stay and try to and calm the old girl > down. After shitting myself for a few seconds it was obvious I had to save > the engine. It was my pride and joy old motor etc etc. I had a friend with > me; (btw; this thing was really starting to pick the revs up big time!) we > pulled the fuel line out of the tank thinking that it will run out quick > enough, Wrong, they don't need much to fire. Fuel bowl was to hot to > remove as was other parts. We grabbed some pliers to try hold the valve > shut. No good, the small-ish pliers were to hard to get a decent hold onto > the part. Went for a bigger pair of pliers and luck was on our side as we > managed to get a good grip. The spring on the valve started to crush a > little allowing the pliers to bite in on the valve better and it slowed > down nicely to a holt. One then went and wiped away the stained undies. > Got a few shots of bourbon into the system and left the engine alone for a > little while. I think all this happened about the time on the SEL we were > chatting about exploding flywheels etc about 4 years ago. Well I can smile > about it now and talk about my 1000rpm blacky. From all this I guess could > come a question for any oil engine gurus as to how would they (if there is > an easy way) shut down a hot bulb engine like the Ronnies and blacky's if > they ran away like that. > > Russell > > > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From w3ecu at netscape.net Sat Apr 29 10:51:59 2006 From: w3ecu at netscape.net (w3ecu at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair In-Reply-To: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> References: <445154AE.1040508@telus.net> Message-ID: <8C839CCBF7BC14C-28DC-1737B@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Jeff- if you want to clean up the metal get a Dremel tool with the buffing attachments and a jar of Mothers metal polish. Do not take the mag apart if you don't know what you are doing. I started to "repair" a Webster Tripolar with disastrous results. Later- Rich -----Original Message----- From: Allen Home To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magneto Repair I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice for me please. BTY please remember I am the Canadian Jeff , the good guy -- Jeff Allen Home Edmonton, Alberta, Canada _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ----------MailBlocks_8C839CCBF5A608A_28DC_10C12_mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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I have just bought a Sumter 12 Magneto for my siezed headless Fairbanks-Morse. The purchase was sort of a hair shirt issue to goad me into doing the engine after procrastinating for about three years. I would like to clean up the magneto but I am somewhat leary about getting things apart on it. I have heard over the years that one should not take a mag apart because of some unknown disaster that could occur. So what can happen and why? If I put a keeper bar on the horseshoe magnets would not the magnetism be retained with no need to recharge the magnets. I would like to buff up the metal surfaces and clean up all and sundry. Any ideas or advice for me please.  
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http://mail.netscape.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 30 01:56:44 2006 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:56:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hot Air Engines Auction Message-ID: <002a01c66c34$02c71ae0$3ac10b52@no1> For any of you guys that like Sterling & other hot Air engines there is an auction forthcoming. Do a search on the web site http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=MySearchResults&saction=none type in "hot air" The British Engineerium items are there & though my heart longs for the items my wallet has nearly had a heart attack at the anticipated prices! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From oiseming at moscow.com Sun Apr 30 08:20:18 2006 From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Hot Air Engines Auction In-Reply-To: <002a01c66c34$02c71ae0$3ac10b52@no1> Message-ID: <200604301520.k3UFKS8i052388@mail-gw.fsr.net> -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:57 AM To: atis Cc: Old Engine Subject: Hot Air Engines Auction For any of you guys that like Sterling & other hot Air engines there is an auction forthcoming. Do a search on the web site type in "hot air" The British Engineerium items are there & though my heart longs for the items my wallet has nearly had a heart attack at the anticipated prices! Dave Croft Warrington http://oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you for the tip, David. For sure, those engines will fetch bids out of my reach; but, I think they're being overly optimistic on some of the items. I can't see how anybody in their right mind would bid ?200-250 on a Solar engine or ?450-550 on a fluidyne. Regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm So many projects. So little time.