Hi Tommy, My November Issue came 10-15-2k5 I usually get it around the 8th. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "If you can't convince them - \/)"(\/ confuse them." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz