From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Oct  1 07:14:53 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:14:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <20.4e5e277f.306ff3dd@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Frank at lbpinc.com writes:

<< (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for rolling 
 stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling'  Straight pulling what, on what 
 surfacer.) >>


I would think they meant 2000 lbs lifting capacity, but I would contact them 
to verify.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct  1 20:21:52 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:21:52
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter Ogborne)
In-Reply-To: <200509301600.j8UG05Bk017631@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051001202152.009a9998@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hello Curt (Andree) and Peter Ogborne,
	Peter wrote:
"Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
individual............damming with faint praise!"

	Curt please accept this as a personal apology to you (and all list
members) if you understood my reply to be what Peter Ogborne has described
it as. I assume it was my reply he was alluding to because mine was the
only reply (there were more later) before he wrote. Also, he included the
text from my post in his answer.

	It was not (and never will be) my intention to be "patronising" or
"damming" (we spell it "damning") toward yourself or any other list member.
I am a relative newbie to this hobby (and list) and have a tremendous
respect for all list members. Most of you have already forgotten what I
still need to learn. I have made a lot of friends via this list although
I've never met one of you face to face. I have also received a lot of help
from list members for which I am very grateful. 

	Curt, if you felt that my reply was in any way disrespectful or in any
other way unaccepteable then I beg forgiveness. It was not meant to be any
of those things (or what Peter described it as). I'm sorry.

	Peter, it is not my intention to make bad friends on this list and I do
not have time for personal squabbling in my life. If you misunderstood the
intention of my post then I apologise to you as well. Often the written
word can be misinterpreted - it may have sounded different if we were
standing face to face. I apologise to you as well.

Best wishes to you all,
Jerry Evans in South Africa.

P.S. The "Digest" I am answering actually arrived late yesterday afternoon
(our time). We had a show today and I have not have time to reply earlier. 
	
	
	




Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:04:59 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <001501c5c54a$3bd31c30$269f81cb at ogborneuah38i3>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
>individual............damming with faint praise!
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
<big snip)
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct  1 20:40:04 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:40:04
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter Ogborne)
In-Reply-To: <200510011600.j91G0QM7010726@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051001204004.009a99e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hello Curt,
	On sending my last post the new digest arrived.

	From this I can see that you agreed with Peter.  So once again I've gotta
apologise to you both and any other list members - I apologise again
Jerry

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:13:43 +0000
From: cgandree at mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

Yes Peter I agree some folks do appreciate info that they may not of heard 
before and glad you and few others can be helped by it.
thankyou very much,
Curt


> Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
> individual............damming with faint praise!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery

Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
Alternative !
We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
(FDISK).
We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
Visit our site:
http://www.databak.co.za
Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa






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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Oct  1 13:31:57 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:31:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Cotton is in the fields!
In-Reply-To: <007601c5c6ad$c3ff0880$4b466e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <410-220051061141257375@coastalnet.com>
	<433EC055.8020505@wowway.com> <000401c5c6aa$dd763a20$fa4c1152@no1>
	<007601c5c6ad$c3ff0880$4b466e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <4bc3d72e38f138014933c63838f501b4@chartertn.net>

They introduced the then-huge 10 oz. drink bottles (when Coke came in 6 
1/2 oz. bottles), and the name suggested they were "knee high." Nehi 
grape and orange drinks were a Southern staple in my youth. There used 
to be a store in Alabama made like a huge Nehi bottle:
http://www.catsupbottle.com/otherfun/cousinspix/nehibottle.html

> Hi Dave,
>
> Nehi was a company that made a variety of soft drinks.
>
> Jim


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  1 15:07:43 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20.4e5e277f.306ff3dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051001220743.59057.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As I wrote before,,,,,  A little more info.
I used mine to drag a 1640 pound metal lathe down a set of planks and across a concrete floor.  The lathe was on a pair of 2X12 planks and the planks are what slid across the floor.  That is a lot of surface area, but it worked great.
 
NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.  
It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
 
Play safe.
 
Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Frank at lbpinc.com writes:

<< (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for rolling 
stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling' Straight pulling what, on what 
surfacer.) >>


I would think they meant 2000 lbs lifting capacity, but I would contact them 
to verify.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com

		
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  1 16:24:25 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:24:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine
Message-ID: <433F1AA9.8070902@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Went to one of my clubs shows today. It is part of a city festival. Our 
club is part of it with the engine dispay, tractors, and sawmill. Not 
the best turnout of engines, but a few nice sideshafts running. The 
sawmill was awesome this year with six machines working. Four belted to 
tractors, and two to 8 HP Witte engines. I gave thought to taking the 
Maytag, but decided not to. My good buddy and family attended and I 
wanted to spend the day with them. He told his daughters, late teens, 
about it and they were excited. They remember the shows in Mindon, 
Nebraska much like this and always loved them. That Mindon show is where 
I fell in love with hit and miss engines many years ago. We had a great 
day visiting and enjoying the show. Great eats and a lovely 85 degree day.

I attend to club business much faster than personal site stuff, so 
pictures should be up soon. For now I'll leave you with a mytery engine 
to look at. It has a bevel gear under the plastic cover in the photos 
that probably drove a shaft for a washer. Might have been a prototype, 
or perhaps military. It also rotates opposite of most engines of this 
type including Maytags.

http://frapa.us/Mystery/Mystery.html

Back to work.

Jeff Allen



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Oct  1 17:52:21 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:52:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter
	Ogborne)
References: <3.0.6.32.20051001204004.009a99e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000c01c5c6eb$fd697bd0$aa9881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Don't get too upset about it Jerry, I 'm not .Just keep your very good 
website going but if i could offer some advice.......most of us are well 
versed in the inglish language but we are not all akademics and may not like 
to have our spelling corrected. Were you a school teacher in another life?
I am a bit pissed off about the Rugby situation!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter Ogborne)


> Hello Curt,
> On sending my last post the new digest arrived.
>
> From this I can see that you agreed with Peter.  So once again I've gotta
> apologise to you both and any other list members - I apologise again
> Jerry
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:13:43 +0000
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
> Yes Peter I agree some folks do appreciate info that they may not of heard
> before and glad you and few others can be helped by it.
> thankyou very much,
> Curt
>
>
>> Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising
>> individual............damming with faint praise!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition 
> Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
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>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Oct  1 17:54:19 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:54:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <20051001220743.59057.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c5c6ec$002feed0$aa9881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Alan ,as a matter of interest ,does it have made in China on it.? These 
winches are available here and also seem to be OK.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch


> As I wrote before,,,,,  A little more info.
> I used mine to drag a 1640 pound metal lathe down a set of planks and 
> across a concrete floor.  The lathe was on a pair of 2X12 planks and the 
> planks are what slid across the floor.  That is a lot of surface area, but 
> it worked great.
>
> NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.
> It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
>
> Play safe.
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Frank at lbpinc.com writes:
>
> << (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for 
> rolling
> stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling' Straight pulling what, on what
> surfacer.) >>
>
>
> I would think they meant 2000 lbs lifting capacity, but I would contact 
> them
> to verify.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Oct  1 19:38:27 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:38:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all;
Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in and 
everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as 
trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when 
installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp 
roundrod, the bottom head stud is exposed to the coolant..unlike the 
others....and it had already corroded.  Next time I'm going to a stainless 
stud.

   And then Eco wouldn't start, so pulled the Webster and played with the 
igniter points and man are they tired.  Some time ago we talked about 
replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm 
thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think?

  Tomorrow, hopefully will be a good crankup day for the Gal.

  And the Steamer is coming closer and closer everyday for using up some 
boiled water.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/434702255hUGlnm



later,
RickinMt.


 


From segray at mlode.com  Sat Oct  1 21:42:53 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:42:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Semi OT:  Holtzer-Cabot motor
Message-ID: <433F654D.4000704@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Just curious if anyone has ever run across a "Holtzer-Cabot" electric 
motor. I had one given to me about 2 months ago and just finished 
cleaning it up. It may end up on my large display trailer. Between some 
family emergencies, I managed to get a quick page drawn up for it at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/motor.html.

TTYL

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct  2 03:18:53 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter
	Ogborne)
Message-ID: <100220051018.2496.433FB40D0006D8D2000009C021979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Jerry,
No apology is needed as we are all entitled to our opinion.  OT comments seem 
to always creat problems and thats why  I very seldom bring any to the list.
Enough said, will only post engine related stuff in the future.
regards,
Curt


> Hello Curt (Andree) and Peter Ogborne,
> 	Peter wrote:
> "Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
> individual............damming with faint praise!"
> 
> 	Curt please accept this as a personal apology to you (and all list
> members) if you understood my reply to be what Peter Ogborne has described
> it as. I assume it was my reply he was alluding to because mine was the
> only reply (there were more later) before he wrote. Also, he included the
> text from my post in his answer.
> 
> 	It was not (and never will be) my intention to be "patronising" or
> "damming" (we spell it "damning") toward yourself or any other list member.
> I am a relative newbie to this hobby (and list) and have a tremendous
> respect for all list members. Most of you have already forgotten what I
> still need to learn. I have made a lot of friends via this list although
> I've never met one of you face to face. I have also received a lot of help
> from list members for which I am very grateful. 
> 
> 	Curt, if you felt that my reply was in any way disrespectful or in any
> other way unaccepteable then I beg forgiveness. It was not meant to be any
> of those things (or what Peter described it as). I'm sorry.
> 
> 	Peter, it is not my intention to make bad friends on this list and I do
> not have time for personal squabbling in my life. If you misunderstood the
> intention of my post then I apologise to you as well. Often the written
> word can be misinterpreted - it may have sounded different if we were
> standing face to face. I apologise to you as well.
> 
> Best wishes to you all,
> Jerry Evans in South Africa.
> 
> P.S. The "Digest" I am answering actually arrived late yesterday afternoon
> (our time). We had a show today and I have not have time to reply earlier. 
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 6
> >Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:04:59 +0800
> >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Message-ID: <001501c5c54a$3bd31c30$269f81cb at ogborneuah38i3>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >	reply-type=original
> >
> >Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
> >individual............damming with faint praise!
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> <big snip)
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
> 
> Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
> Alternative !
> We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
> / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
> (FDISK).
> We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
> Visit our site:
> http://www.databak.co.za
> Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
> Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
> eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
> Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  2 06:11:25 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:11:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001001c5c752$d93bae60$230110ac@PAUL>

Nice looking steam engine Rick, I would love to see that thing run.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


>  Howdy all;
> Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in and 
> everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as 
> trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when 
> installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 06:43:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 07:43:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once and thanks to Paul P.
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
	<001001c5c752$d93bae60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV16EE74BD990A055BAC1D21BB810@phx.gbl>

Thanks Paul!!  It's been a fun, rewarding, and educational trip fer sure. 
Being a closet luvin' steamer, I can't wait to get the smarts in order to 
boil water safely.  For now we'll just use compressed air.

  It came out of a sawmill here in the "Bitteroot Valley"...we believe it 
possibly drove a blade sharpener.  Wachs is still in business out of Chicago 
but not into steam anymore.  We have been in touch with the president who's 
helped us out some.

  On a second note, I'd like to personally send MANY THANKS to Paul P.  down 
under.  I came by this very tired old Lunk. displacement oiler for the 
Wach's....found JUNIOR stamped on it  and sure enough Paul P.  had the 
JUNIOR in his fantastic website.  THANKS MUCH PAUL!! helps us a lot.  "you 
da mate."  <vbg>

  Now we just need a belt driven governor.

Well today is crankup time for the Gal sawing outfit so wish me luck

later,
RickinMt.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


> Nice looking steam engine Rick, I would love to see that thing run.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
>
>
> >  Howdy all;
> > Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in 
> > and
> > everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as
> > trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when
> > installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp
>
>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Oct  2 06:49:37 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:49:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <200509301600.j8UG05Bj017631@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050930231328.02a79dd0@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>

Standard rating for winches is to list dead weight capacity and rolling
weight capacity. BUT you have to read the fine print to find the numbers
on some manufacturers gear. For the HF units they are 2000# dead weight
on level ground and 6000 pounds rolling on level ground. Dead lift would
be the same as dead weight rating. BUT most of the low end winches are
NOT set up to be used as hoists because they lack a locking brake for
the spool. Remember that an easy way to increase the pulling power is to
add a snatch block in the cable and double the line pull, at reduced
line speed (which is usually a good thing when your moving a lot of
weight) I have two of the HF 110 hoists mounted in my shop. They work
OK, fit and finish isn't as "pretty" as others But I bought them to work
not look fancy. They are also real easy to work on if needed.

Steve W.




> Looks like a good one but dose anyone know how to convert the rating
2000
> lb winch to a dead lift (Example Hoist)
> (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for
rolling
> stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling'  Straight pulling what, on what
> surfacer.)
> Perhaps a 2000 lb engine on grass and dirt, or perhaps a 2000 lb
engine on
> small round stones or maybe on Ice,  I don't know.
>
> Frank
>
> At 12:00 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote:



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 06:57:10 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:57:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
Message-ID: <1e4.450668a5.30714136@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/1/2005 10:48:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< Some time ago we talked about 
 replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm 
 thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think? >>

Rick,

Two simple items usually around the shop can be used and last a long time for 
us occasional runners.  Mild steel rivets like those used on hay mower 
sections, and finish nails have great heads on them too.  Come in all different 
sizes and usually will fit what you are fixing.  The mild steel makes for easy 
peening to the arms.  Drill the old ones out and install the new ones in a few 
minutes.  Works for me!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 07:25:53 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:25:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
References: <1e4.450668a5.30714136@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV18191213A01A75C7D471DABB810@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tom...sounds like a plan

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


> In a message dated 10/1/2005 10:48:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << Some time ago we talked about
>  replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm
>  thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think? >>
>
> Rick,
>
> Two simple items usually around the shop can be used and last a long time 
> for
> us occasional runners.  Mild steel rivets like those used on hay mower
> sections, and finish nails have great heads on them too.  Come in all 
> different
> sizes and usually will fit what you are fixing.  The mild steel makes for 
> easy
> peening to the arms.  Drill the old ones out and install the new ones in a 
> few
> minutes.  Works for me!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Oct  2 07:29:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT- Right handed gloves??
In-Reply-To: <F959BF01-31F4-11DA-B886-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
References: <F959BF01-31F4-11DA-B886-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510021025080.47512@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Paul,

The problem is mice.  I'm guessing that you're right handed?  The hand
wielding the stick gets much hotter than the support hand and thus sweats
much more.  The mice prefer the salty gloves to the others.  There's a
similar problem with canoe paddles and porcupines up north.
Hope that helps...

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote:

> I went to do some welding yesterday and grabbed at my pile of leather
> gloves. For some reason, there was only left-handed gloves in the pile
> of about 6. Are all my gloves going to the left?? I try to run a
> strictly non-political shop... Where are the rights??  Are gremlins
> sneakin' in at night and using the rights??  I scoured the shop and
> found no rights. I had to go to my glove stash in the truck to find a
> right handed glove.  Are there a bunch of  greasy Michael Jackson
> clones running around town? Sure didn't see anything in the paper....
> is this an isolated occurrence ? Very strange.....



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct  2 08:49:00 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:49:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


Here's a few thoughts on the matter. Most importantly, a winch is not a hoist;
it's not made for overhead lifting.  

I've got two winches, a 2500 lb. Ramsey in the back of our little truck.  The
heaviest engine I've put in that truck weighs in at just over 1,000 pounds.  The
winch pulls that load fine, but it strains when the wheels on the cart butt up
against the lip at the bottom of the steep ramps.  The Ramsey is loud, and the
plastic enclosure for the solenoids is delicate.

A 3,500 pound Warn is mounted in the trailer.  It's quieter than the Ramsey and
the solenoids are contained in a nicer box that can be mounted separately from
the winch.  The largest load that winch has pulled is an engine weighing in at
about 6,500 pounds.  Again, it strains when the rollers are stuck at the bottom
of the ramps.  For this setup, I typically use a snatch block.  This is the
minimum size winch for what I'm doing. 

The Harbor Freight winches seem intriguing, mainly because they cost a fraction
of that of a domestically built winch.  However, experience has taught me to be
wary of that outfit.  I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and never been
completely satisfied.  The price is good, quality is usually lacking.  

Now consider a winch;  it's not something like a drillmotor that you just toss
aside if it fails.  What happens if your winch fails?  It might not be a pretty
sight and it's probably not going to happen at a convenient time or location.

Take a look at the HF 8000 pound winch.  At $299, it would seem a steal.  
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40764

Now look at the specs.  You can't use those numbers for power consumption and
come up with 1.8 horsepower.  They're liars.  Yes, there are marketing types who
will try to explain away their claims, but I like to do math the old way.  Look
at the speed of the winch.  With no load, the winch will reel in at 13 feet per
minute.  Put a load on it and the speed drops off quickly.  At full load the
winch reels in at a whopping 4.5 feet per minute.  An energetic guy on a
come-along can do 4.5 feet a minute.  Maybe the winch comes with a brick that
can be placed on the switch so you can get a cup of coffee while waiting for the
engine to be loaded into the trailer.    

Yes, my opinions are skewed.  
Yes, I despise that company.  
Yes, I'll probably buy their junk again.  

Rob





From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Oct  2 09:44:34 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:44:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <48u2fu$1bifdra@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>


>
> The Harbor Freight winches seem intriguing, mainly because they cost a fraction
> of that of a domestically built winch.  However, experience has taught me to be
> wary of that outfit.  I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and never been
> completely satisfied.  The price is good, quality is usually lacking.  

> Rob
> 
I figure you get what you pay for and less.
J.B. Castagnos


From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 11:07:15 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:07:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBIENMEGAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


From: Rob Skinner

>I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and
>never been completely satisfied.  The price is good,
> quality is usually lacking.

That's been my experience too Rob.  We have a store just 7 or 8 miles
away ... very tempting sometimes, but I generally look around and leave
without making a purchase.   If I do purchase, it is something
"expendable" that I can throw away and not feel too badly about making
"another mistake."   I would never buy anything from HF that could cause
damage to other property (like an engine) when it decides to snap in
half!  (note, I said "when" NOT "if")

Carl




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 11:40:58 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:40:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510021140h7ebf1c48qcdf8d1cc8c464155@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

<snipped>

> Take a look at the HF 8000 pound winch.  At $299, it would seem a steal.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40764
>
> Now look at the specs.  You can't use those numbers for power consumption and
> come up with 1.8 horsepower.  They're liars.

<yet more snipping>

> Rob

They quote:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12 volts, 1.8 HP, 37.5 amp draw; Drum diameter: 2.5''; Gear ratio:
210:1; Cable: 5/16'' x 95 ft.; Overall dimensions: 20-11/16''L x
3-1/8''W x 6-15/16''H; Bolt pattern: 10'' x 4.5''; Shipping weight:
106 lbs.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On a straightforward conversion, that is 410 watts or 0.603 hp, so
somebody should be shouting at the advertising standards people...

There has been explosive growth in the cheap tools market, as Taiwan
and China flood the market with parts that a few years ago you
wouldn't have been able to afford.

>From a safety aspect these are dangerous goods, as few have proper
certification or proof testing, so the accident history is probably
pretty bad, especially for people not used to handling heavy loads and
having no instruction on the correct use of winching systems.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Sun Oct  2 15:20:44 2005
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:20:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43405D3C.6010609@matthewsfarm.com>

On the engines that Jim  Dunmyer and I made last winter we used nickel 
welding rod.  It seems to be holding up just fine after at least 100 
hours of run time.  The engines do not have a spark saver on the 
ignition so the points fire on every other revolution whether leaded or not.

Bob


>
>   And then Eco wouldn't start, so pulled the Webster and played with the 
>igniter points and man are they tired.  Some time ago we talked about 
>replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm 
>thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think?
>
> 
>  
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 16:25:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:25:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>

G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood 
in:-))

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF

Rick..the happy camper 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 16:29:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:29:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
	<43405D3C.6010609@matthewsfarm.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19AB3C4D3612CEDD5C7199BB810@phx.gbl>

Ok..thanks Bob..that's a new one on me and know where I can get some.

Preciate it

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Matthews" <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


> On the engines that Jim  Dunmyer and I made last winter we used nickel
> welding rod.  It seems to be holding up just fine after at least 100
> hours of run time.  The engines do not have a spark saver on the
> ignition so the points fire on every other revolution whether leaded or 
> not.
>
> Bob
>
>
> >
> >   And then Eco wouldn't start, so pulled the Webster and played with the
> >igniter points and man are they tired.  Some time ago we talked about
> >replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm
> >thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Oct  2 16:21:51 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:21:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051002153515.02896858@web1.nlenet.net>

The rating of winches bothers me because it is nearly useless info  Both 
Dead weight and rolling weight depend on friction

It isn't just HF that does this, They all do.  I think they use 15 amp 
Vacuum Cleaner motors to run the winches

Frank



>Standard rating for winches is to list dead weight capacity and rolling
>weight capacity. BUT you have to read the fine print to find the numbers
>on some manufacturers gear. For the HF units they are 2000# dead weight
>on level ground and 6000 pounds rolling on level ground. Dead lift would
>be the same as dead weight rating. BUT most of the low end winches are
>NOT set up to be used as hoists because they lack a locking brake for
>the spool. Remember that an easy way to increase the pulling power is to
>add a snatch block in the cable and double the line pull, at reduced
>line speed (which is usually a good thing when your moving a lot of
>weight) I have two of the HF 110 hoists mounted in my shop. They work
>OK, fit and finish isn't as "pretty" as others But I bought them to work
>not look fancy. They are also real easy to work on if needed.
>
>Steve W.
>**********************************

  Frank DeWitt

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<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
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  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 18:07:47 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:07:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210359.041181e0@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:49 AM 10/2/2005, you wrote:

>Here's a few thoughts on the matter. Most importantly, a winch is not a hoist;
>it's not made for overhead lifting.
>Rob

Good doG, That's why the damn thing is called a WINCH!
         Dave
PS, Books, school, eat!
PPS, Spent over $600.00 at Harbor Freight Stores in the the past 2 weeks 
and am more than satisfied! 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 18:12:52 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:12:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510021140h7ebf1c48qcdf8d1cc8c464155@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6f6025160510021140h7ebf1c48qcdf8d1cc8c464155@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210906.041568f8@mail.alltel.net>


> From a safety aspect these are dangerous goods, as few have proper
>certification or proof testing, so the accident history is probably
>pretty bad, especially for people not used to handling heavy loads and
>having no instruction on the correct use of winching systems.
>Peter

Hi Peter, it simply cleans out the gene pool--that's what doG intended!
         Dave
PS, If you have NO PROOF of "accident history" you should not make such 
STUPID statements--it gives the English a BAD name! 



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 18:31:25 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:31:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051001220743.59057.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c5c7ba$2c862340$a9a9e104@OFFICELEW>

I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
suitable you'd sell?

Thanx!

Lew Best in Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch

<<snip>>
NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.  
It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
 

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct  2 18:42:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:42:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210359.041181e0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051003014207.C53222394CE@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> PPS, Spent over $600.00 at Harbor Freight Stores in the the 
> past 2 weeks and am more than satisfied! 

Dave,
Just because you're a rich Melikan financing the military buildup of those
Chi-Com bastards so they can invade Taiwan and threaten us with nuclear war, it
doesn't make you a bad person.  I'm sure Wen Ho Lee is also a really nice guy if
you meet him in person.  

Rob

P.S.
Feel free to come crying to us when your pot metal tow bar turns into a pretzel.
We're a sympathetic and compassionate bunch who will console you in your time of
woe.  

P.P.S.
Please, I can't wait.  What did the Chi-coms offer you in exchange for your
Melikan Dorra?







From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Oct  2 19:03:14 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:03:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch, alternative hoist 
In-Reply-To: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051002214447.01cfed90@web1.nlenet.net>

This is my favorite Hoist is this one
http://www.proengcorp.com/hoistpage.htm
Sold by McMaster Carr
http://www.mcmaster.com/ctlg/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=1298&CtlgEdition=&sesnextrep=528175655184940&ScreenWidth=1280&McMMainWidth=0

It is not cheep ($130) but it is very well made, easy to use, and gives 
great control.  I modified mine so I can use either the hand crank or a 
cordless drill.

Let me know if you want pix.

Frank DeWitt



At 12:00 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
>I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
>load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
>cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
>something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
>without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
>suitable you'd sell?
>
>Thanx!
>
>Lew Best in Waco, TX

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 19:17:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:17:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051003014207.C53222394CE@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210359.041181e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<20051003014207.C53222394CE@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002214921.04197730@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:42 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
> > PPS, Spent over $600.00 at Harbor Freight Stores in the the
> > past 2 weeks and am more than satisfied!
>
>Dave,
>Just because you're a rich Melikan financing the military buildup of those
>Chi-Com bastards so they can invade Taiwan and threaten us with nuclear 
>war, it
>doesn't make you a bad person.

Thank you for your understanding. It's much like my understanding of the 
PRICE GOUGING that BIG OIL is doing to the American public, and the part 
that the gal you are sleeping with plays in the GOUGING!

>   I'm sure Wen Ho Lee is also a really nice guy if you meet him in person.

Wen (or as I call him "HO") is a great guy. He really likes Old Mil and is 
down to earth in most of the face to face conversations that we have had, 
He seems really interested in what Arnie  could do for his people and keeps 
asking for Arnie's address. We intend to drive by Arnie's place mid week so 
that HO's main man can copy down the number. (When I told HO (that's what I 
call him) that Arnie lived on Webster street he said "Just like the 
magneto--yes?" HO knows his shit!

>
>Rob
>
>P.S.
>Feel free to come crying to us when your pot metal tow bar turns into a 
>pretzel.

Pot metal breaks, it does NOT turn into a pretzel! (HO [that's what I call 
him] tells me that this is so!)

>We're a sympathetic and compassionate bunch who will console you in your 
>time of
>woe.
>
>P.P.S.
>Please, I can't wait.  What did the Chi-coms offer you in exchange for your
>Melikan Dorra?

HO (that's what I call him) says that if I can deliver Arnie  my children's 
children's children and all that follow after them will have all the tools 
they can ever wish for!
         Dave
PS, Please don't tell HO that I speak EUBONICS!
PPS, In 2005 an annual income of $869,000.00 DOES NOT make one rich!  



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Oct  2 19:24:14 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:24:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

I'd be happy too if that was in my shed!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "John Cullom" <jcullom at adelphia.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo


> G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood 
> in:-))
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF
> 
> Rick..the happy camper 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 19:48:41 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:48:41 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[SEL]=20New=20Engine=20Acquisition=20(Hercules=20?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?-=20Economy=201=BD=20HP)?=
Message-ID: <30.7c2adb47.3071f609@aol.com>

Hi List,
The engine (Hercules - Economy 1? HP) for which that I needed  information is 
now in my garage. 
I advertised for a "Hit - Miss" engine on "Craigslist for San Luis  Obispo".  
The seller contacted me and sent me pictures of the engine.   Of course, 
after I received the pictures, I asked the list for data on this  engine.  Thanks 
to those list members who identified the engine for me, I  now have another 
engine in my stable.  I also received several old copies  of the Gas Engine 
Magazine with the engine.
The engine is not perfect.  The intake valve was stuck and is  free now.  It 
has a retrofitted non original engine manufacturer  magneto.  This magneto is 
chain driven from the crankshaft and it has  spark.  The bottom part of the 
piston skirt is broken.  However, it  looks like it has been in this condition 
for some time.  There are two non  adjacent broken teeth on the cam gear.  I am 
thinking of welding  some cast iron nickel material in broken tooth area and 
then grinding  each tooth back to shape.  The fuel tank leaks and will require 
 repair.  Hopefully, I will be able to get it running soon.
The engine came from the High Desert area and it was owned by the  previous 
owner's late Grandfather.  He also stated that his  Grandfather (Bob Stapleton) 
belonged to the High Desert antique Power  Association.  
Now the questions:
    1.    Are there  existing timing marks on the crankshaft and cam gears?
    2.    Is there any  other method I should consider in repairing the cam 
gear?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 19:56:43 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:56:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT- Right handed gloves??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510021025080.47512@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <F959BF01-31F4-11DA-B886-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510021025080.47512@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002222559.041b0158@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:29 AM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>The problem is mice.  I'm guessing that you're right handed?  The hand
>wielding the stick gets much hotter than the support hand and thus sweats
>much more.  The mice prefer the salty gloves to the others.  There's a
>similar problem with canoe paddles and porcupines up north.
>Hope that helps...
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Paul,
         I was not going to get in on this threat at all until Arnie 
offered you the above advice--which is TOTALLY wrong. However, given his 
advice to you I believe that I must set the record straight!
         Now I've known Arnie for some time now and he and I have been 
through a LOT together. He is my best friend and one hell of a nuclear 
engineer. In all his years of designing nuclear plants here in the USA he 
has never had a MELTDOWN (TMI does not count because it only went half way, 
and Chernobyl was not in the USA!)
         None the less, Arnie is simply WRONG on what has happened to your 
right handed gloves. It has NOTHING to do with mice, in fact mice are much 
too small to haul a welding glove away.
         I would suggest, however, that Arnie is correct that you are right 
handed--or at least that you wipe yourself with your right hand after you 
finish your "business."
         Now, no matter how well you wash your hands after you finish the 
odor remains, at least enough that a groundhog (or a democrat) could smell 
it. Clearly, one of the two of them has been making off with your glove! If 
it was a groundhog you will find it in his hole, if it was a democrat you 
may never find your gloves because they will have been eaten!
         Dave



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 21:12:04 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:12:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>

Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
of wenches, fold up and fit in a corner for storage and will out lift one
of those small little wench/hoist things everyone seems to be sold on. 
Another alternative, go to a used construction auction and pick up a ele.
walk behind  fork lift, I got one for $35 and it will lift over 1000 lbs up
to 6 feet high.  They take up no more storage space than the engine lift. 
I've loaded many engine in and out of my truck and on and off my trailer
with the 2 and on to my bench for working.  

Tim Christoff

> [Original Message]
> From: Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/2/2005 8:31:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>
> I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
> load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
> cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
> something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
> without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
> suitable you'd sell?
>
> Thanx!
>
> Lew Best in Waco, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>
> <<snip>>
> NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.  
> It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
>  
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 21:27:24 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:27:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c5c7d2$c1ed4860$bd02e304@notebook>

well, unfortunately it's not that simple.  what I want to build is kind of
hard to describe but it's a boom that would mount on my trailer about 12'
long that works like a trolley with an electric winch to pick up bee hives &
position them on the trailer.  would have an up/down switch for each thumb
mounted on the bracket that lifts the hive; one switch would pick the hive
up; other move the hive carrier in & out on the boom (can use one of those
little 40 bux winches for that I know) after you swivel the boom into
position.

Lew
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch


> Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
> of wenches, fold up and fit in a corner for storage and will out lift one
> of those small little wench/hoist things everyone seems to be sold on.
> Another alternative, go to a used construction auction and pick up a ele.
> walk behind  fork lift, I got one for $35 and it will lift over 1000 lbs
up
> to 6 feet high.  They take up no more storage space than the engine lift.
> I've loaded many engine in and out of my truck and on and off my trailer
> with the 2 and on to my bench for working.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/2/2005 8:31:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
> >
> > I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
> > load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
> > cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
> > something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
> > without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
> > suitable you'd sell?
> >
> > Thanx!
> >
> > Lew Best in Waco, TX
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
> >
> > <<snip>>
> > NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.
> > It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> > 9/28/2005
> >
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Oct  3 00:29:06 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:29:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c5c7ec$273e49d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick, I'm wondering how it sits.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Ricksawpic.jpg

John H.



> G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood 
> in:-))
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF
> 
> Rick..the happy camper 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct  3 09:17:40 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:17:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <20051003.123122.300.24.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

Good for you !!!

Just be carefull.

I had a Buzz Saw - Used to run it at shows cutting slices of 6" log.

Made a stencil of a Smiley Face out of gallon milk bottle plastic

and sprayed Smiley Faces with junk spray paint - (as a give-away) - on
the slices.

The people loved them.

Got to be a pain to drag around - and - I was always afraid someone 
would get too close - Sold it.

But it was fun while it lasted.

Good Job !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 14:15:21 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:15:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2005 7:51:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< ..the picture tells all.  >>

Whew!  A quick glance at that picture and I thought you had sawed the upper 
half of the axle in 2!!


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Oct  3 09:55:19 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:55:19 -0500
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_New_Engine_Acquisition_=28Hercules_-_Econo?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?my_1=BD_HP=29?=
References: <30.7c2adb47.3071f609@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5c83b$3ea42e60$f6ef123f@oemcomputer>

Francis,

The cam gear has a pointed mark cast at the rim.  That mark lines up with
the crankshaft key for proper timing.

The most pressure on the cam gear teeth is when it pushes the exhaust valve
open.  The rest of the time, the pressure is minimal so where the teeth are
broken at has to do with how good of a repair you need to make.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Engine Acquisition (Hercules - Economy 1? HP)


Hi List,
The engine (Hercules - Economy 1? HP) for which that I needed  information
is
now in my garage.
I advertised for a "Hit - Miss" engine on "Craigslist for San Luis  Obispo".
The seller contacted me and sent me pictures of the engine.   Of course,
after I received the pictures, I asked the list for data on this  engine.
Thanks
to those list members who identified the engine for me, I  now have another
engine in my stable.  I also received several old copies  of the Gas Engine
Magazine with the engine.
The engine is not perfect.  The intake valve was stuck and is  free now.  It
has a retrofitted non original engine manufacturer  magneto.  This magneto
is
chain driven from the crankshaft and it has  spark.  The bottom part of the
piston skirt is broken.  However, it  looks like it has been in this
condition
for some time.  There are two non  adjacent broken teeth on the cam gear.  I
am
thinking of welding  some cast iron nickel material in broken tooth area and
then grinding  each tooth back to shape.  The fuel tank leaks and will
require
 repair.  Hopefully, I will be able to get it running soon.
The engine came from the High Desert area and it was owned by the  previous
owner's late Grandfather.  He also stated that his  Grandfather (Bob
Stapleton)
belonged to the High Desert antique Power  Association.
Now the questions:
    1.    Are there  existing timing marks on the crankshaft and cam gears?
    2.    Is there any  other method I should consider in repairing the cam
gear?

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct  3 04:12:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:12:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
	<000701c5c7ec$273e49d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12178131A005AE54CA02F8BB800@phx.gbl>

Isn't that bizarre John?  John Cullom noticed it first and mentioned it to 
me.  One thing about Galloway..they had very sharp blades :-))

  Well they say: "One's best pictures are the mistakes."  <vbg>

Wonder if I can do it again

Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Hi Rick, I'm wondering how it sits.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Ricksawpic.jpg
>
> John H.
>
>
>
> > G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood
> > in:-))
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF
> >
> > Rick..the happy camper
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct  3 07:32:43 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:32:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/Mike needs a shed.
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4341410B.5070703@imc-group.com>

Mike Royster wrote:

>I'd be happy too if that was in my shed!!!!
>  
>
Wot shed? :-)
Curt
P.S. What's the latest count of rare engines under blue tarps in the 
back yard? :-)



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Oct  3 22:41:24 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:41:24
Subject: [SEL] R.S.M.E open day pics
Message-ID: <20051003224562.SM00780@new>

Hi All,
	The Rand Society of Model Engineers (R.S.M.E.) held their open day on
Saturday 1st October 2005.

Write up and pics are here:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans> 

The link is on the first page:

or go direct:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rsme/index.htm>

No Pics are bigger than 100 KBytes - I hope you enjoy them.

Special notes to:
	1) Dave R - sorry there was not much of interest for you here - I tried
but the best I could get was 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rsme/list5.jpg>

	2) Roland Craven - the Norman with the heads on wrong is also there -
still wrong !

Cheers
Jerry Evans in S.A.








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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 17:15:58 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:15:58 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Sylvester engine
Message-ID: <ac.7c420fa1.307323be@aol.com>

Received the below message from Ken looking for photos/information on the 
Sylvester engine.  Anyone with photos/information can contact him direct.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com

<<  In a message dated 10/3/2005 12:17:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
 > kensuzy at qldnet.com.au writes: 
 > 
 > << Do you have any photos of Sylvester engines? >> 
 > 
 > Ken,  >>





From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 19:50:59 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:50:59 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[SEL]=20New=20Engine=20Acquisition=20(Hercu?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?les=20-=20Econo=20my=201=BD=20HP)?=
Message-ID: <6.4ea98ad8.30734813@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/3/2005 7:38:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
glenn.karch at gte.net writes:

The cam  gear has a pointed mark cast at the rim.  That mark lines up with
the  crankshaft key for proper timing.


Glenn,
I found the same data just a few minutes ago at the following  site:
 
_Hercules  Engine Manual Index_ 
(http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/manual/Manual_index.html)  
 
Thanks,  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 20:00:12 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:00:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <d5.31fb1a70.30734a3c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/2/2005 9:49:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bee_keeper at earthlink.net writes:

well,  unfortunately it's not that simple.  what I want to build is kind  of
hard to describe but it's a boom that would mount on my trailer about  12'
long that works like a trolley with an electric winch to pick up bee  hives &
position them on the trailer. 


Lew,
I have seen a similar setup to handle bee hives mounted on  trucks.  However, 
I don't recollect if these units had electric hoists  and boom trolley 
drives.  The boom was made from an "I" beam with a  trolley that rolled back and 
forth.  The mast that held the boom was a  heavy and a large diameter piece of 
pipe and was allowed to rotate.   The boom mast was also guy wired.  The long 
boom with a load puts a large  bending force at the top of the mast which is 
transmitted to the base.  
Have you considered using a 12 volt starter motor for the boom  trolley?  I 
have seen starter motor used to drive rotary  type fuel pumps.
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Oct  3 20:12:22 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:12:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/Mike needs a shed.
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
	<4341410B.5070703@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c5c891$706f90a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

Oh that really stings!!!  Lets talk about that Triumph in your garage!!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/Mike needs a shed.


> Mike Royster wrote:
> 
> >I'd be happy too if that was in my shed!!!!
> >  
> >
> Wot shed? :-)
> Curt
> P.S. What's the latest count of rare engines under blue tarps in the 
> back yard? :-)
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 22:43:25 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:43:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510032243s630d0d65gd9ac3f9c8720d02d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/05, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
> of wenches,
> Tim Christoff
>

Hey Tim:

Dolly, Kelley, Missy and the others may take exception to that statement! :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Oct  4 08:42:36 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:42:36
Subject: [SEL] Links page on my site
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051004084236.009b3108@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hello All,
	I'm finally getting around to making a links page on my site. 

	I'm toying with a few ideas to make it a little different from the usual
links page that has a long list of names to click on. Allow me to ramble on
here a bit about my ideas. I would appreciate your feedback and ideas.

	I'm thinking of splitting them up first by country ie. Links in U.S.A.,
British, Australian, European sites etc. These will pretty much be "general
interest sites" (engine related of course) and most of our sites would fall
into this category.

	Then I would like to have links to sites that deal with specific "makes"
eg. Ray Hooley ( Ruston & Hornsby), Peter Lowe ( R&V register), Duncan
Denman (Massey Harris registry), Peter Forbes (Lister and much more), John
Hammink (IHC),  and so on.

	Another section would be to "experts in their field" eg. Ted Brookover -
igniters.

	Next would be links to specific "D.I.Y. processes" (for want of a better
description). Here I mean to link to articles like "How to remove a stuck
flywheel", "Rust removal by electrolysis", "Building a transporter" and so on.

	I know that many of your sites do link to things like this and also that
most of the articles I want to link to are on your sites. My brain is a bit
"muddy" with ideas and trying to think up something new or different.

	Please also mail me the addresses (off list would probably be best - I do
not want to clutter up the mail list) of your sites or any interesting
articles you have for inclusion. A short description of your choice would
also be good.

	While on the subject of links, If anyone wants to link to my page I would
appreciate the punt. A description could be "Jerry Evans - Old Engines in
South Africa" The address is:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans>.

At this stage my site consists mainly of photographs taken at local shows
and my main intention here is to put up pictures that are clear and
detailed so that viewers can see actual detail on the engines - good for
reference. I also like to put up my pics as large as possible (800 x 600)
but keep file sizes down for faster loading. 

	Search engines take into account how many other pages have links to your
page when deciding on a rating - the more the merrier. I have spent some
time trying to opitimise my pages for Google and am pleased to say that on
a few search terms I come out on top of the first page of Google.

	Thanks in advance.
Jerry Evans in S.A.

	


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct  4 04:58:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:58:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <20051003.123122.300.24.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV14AB80B5B46E8B22B74DEBB830@phx.gbl>

Pip;
  I must admit that spinning blade is a little intimidating.  Not scared of 
it, maybe just a tad too much respect.

  Always recruiting ideas on safety guards..especially on the side and 
between the blade and engine head.

  Will wear safety glassses and gloves.

later,
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Hi Rick,
>
> Good for you !!!
>
> Just be carefull.
>
> I had a Buzz Saw - Used to run it at shows cutting slices of 6" log.
>
> Made a stencil of a Smiley Face out of gallon milk bottle plastic
>
> and sprayed Smiley Faces with junk spray paint - (as a give-away) - on
> the slices.
>
> The people loved them.
>
> Got to be a pain to drag around - and - I was always afraid someone
> would get too close - Sold it.
>
> But it was fun while it lasted.
>
> Good Job !!!
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them -
>  \/)"(\/             confuse them."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct  4 05:01:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:01:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl>

Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure as 
I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the same 
angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the blade.

Dunno, but it's kewl

Take Care,
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> In a message dated 10/2/2005 7:51:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << ..the picture tells all.  >>
>
> Whew!  A quick glance at that picture and I thought you had sawed the 
> upper
> half of the axle in 2!!
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  4 06:28:08 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:28:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com>
	<BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure as 
> I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the same 
> angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the blade.
> Dunno, but it's kewl
> Take Care, Rick

Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct  4 08:41:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:41:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl>
	<000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>

Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the blade

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>
>
> > Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double 
> > exposure as
> > I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the 
> > same
> > angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the 
> > blade.
> > Dunno, but it's kewl
> > Take Care, Rick
>
> Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  4 09:31:13 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:31:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Variable Stroke Witte 
Message-ID: <BAY103-F14C4519844AFCC40A81575C8830@phx.gbl>

I came across this site during my lunch hour. I found it interesting so 
thought I'd pass it on to the SEL.

http://www.myengines.com/witte1.htm

An overall picture of the Witte can be found on the upper left corner of 
this guys main site which is located here:

http://www.myengines.com/

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  4 09:48:39 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:48:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1>
	<BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1>

Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
attached to the axle.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the blade
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >
> >
> > > Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double 
> > > exposure as
> > > I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the 
> > > same
> > > angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the 
> > > blade.
> > > Dunno, but it's kewl
> > > Take Care, Rick
> >
> > Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > England
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct  4 11:16:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4324.165.206.180.102.1128449775.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

True the cost is less for such a lift, but after the engines are unloaded,
I can go dancing and dining with my wench.


Bill


> Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
> of wenches, fold up and fit in a corner for storage and will out lift one
> of those small little wench/hoist things everyone seems to be sold on.
> Another alternative, go to a used construction auction and pick up a ele.
> walk behind  fork lift, I got one for $35 and it will lift over 1000 lbs
> up
> to 6 feet high.  They take up no more storage space than the engine lift.
> I've loaded many engine in and out of my truck and on and off my trailer
> with the 2 and on to my bench for working.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: 10/2/2005 8:31:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>>
>> I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
>> load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
>> cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
>> something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
>> without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
>> suitable you'd sell?
>>
>> Thanx!
>>
>> Lew Best in Waco, TX
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>>
>> <<snip>>
>> NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.
>> It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
>>
>>
>> --
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Tue Oct  4 18:42:17 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:42:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT  Linotype Parts Available
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
	<001001c5c752$d93bae60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<BAY5-DAV16EE74BD990A055BAC1D21BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003201c5c94e$04e5faa0$64bed2cc@pengy>

The foundry that I work at just bought all of the cast iron parts from a 
model 5 Linotype machine.  The castings are all in good shape and I am 
putting the word out that I have parts in case anyone with a model 5 is 
missing parts or has a broken part.  The parts will be available for a 
couple of weeks before they are fed into the furnace and melted down.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once and thanks to Paul P.


> Thanks Paul!!  It's been a fun, rewarding, and educational trip fer sure. 
> Being a closet luvin' steamer, I can't wait to get the smarts in order to 
> boil water safely.  For now we'll just use compressed air.
>
>  It came out of a sawmill here in the "Bitteroot Valley"...we believe it 
> possibly drove a blade sharpener.  Wachs is still in business out of 
> Chicago but not into steam anymore.  We have been in touch with the 
> president who's helped us out some.
>
>  On a second note, I'd like to personally send MANY THANKS to Paul P. 
> down under.  I came by this very tired old Lunk. displacement oiler for 
> the Wach's....found JUNIOR stamped on it  and sure enough Paul P.  had the 
> JUNIOR in his fantastic website.  THANKS MUCH PAUL!! helps us a lot.  "you 
> da mate."  <vbg>
>
>  Now we just need a belt driven governor.
>
> Well today is crankup time for the Gal sawing outfit so wish me luck
>
> later,
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
>
>
>> Nice looking steam engine Rick, I would love to see that thing run.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:38 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
>>
>>
>> >  Howdy all;
>> > Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in 
>> > and
>> > everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as
>> > trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when
>> > installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp
>>
>>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  4 19:08:01 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:08:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>


I guess the "I" before "E" except after "C" rule won't do me any good on
this misspelled mistake.

Tim


:
>
> > Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a
lot
> > of wenches,
> > Tim Christoff
> >
>
> Hey Tim:
>
> Dolly, Kelley, Missy and the others may take exception to that statement!
:-))
>
> Peter
> --




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Oct  5 04:39:53 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4929.165.206.180.102.1128512393.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

And an email smell checker won't help since winch and wench are both words
and properly spelled.

Bill

:-)



>
> I guess the "I" before "E" except after "C" rule won't do me any good on
> this misspelled mistake.
>
> Tim
>
>
> :
>>
>> > Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a
> lot
>> > of wenches,
>> > Tim Christoff
>> >
>>
>> Hey Tim:
>>
>> Dolly, Kelley, Missy and the others may take exception to that
>> statement!
> :-))
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 06:54:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:54:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>
	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>

I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? <vbg>. 
No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and 
girder above it), are not in two sections.

  I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where the 
blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".

  We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or ???

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
> attached to the axle.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>
>
> > Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the 
> > blade
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
> > > > exposure as
> > > > I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at 
> > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
> > > > blade.
> > > > Dunno, but it's kewl
> > > > Take Care, Rick
> > >
> > > Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> > > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> > > Dave Croft
> > > Warrington
> > > England
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct  5 07:53:22 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:53:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] HECO Magneto
Message-ID: <1a0.3db0c7d1.307542e2@aol.com>

Hi List,
Does anyone have any data on a HECO single cylinder magneto?   It uses round 
stock for magnets.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Oct  5 08:16:54 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:16:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1>
	<BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com>

Rick,
You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having 
used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.

In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had 
insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The 
combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy. 
Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8" 
you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the 
teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade 
hammered properly to eliminate wobble.

In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder, 
so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of 
the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get 
into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are 
lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair 
day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and 
the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a 
miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen 
with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see 
evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.

Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to 
the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the 
log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the 
blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your safety.

And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of 
gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my 
buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip 
but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better 
to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the 
belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one 
of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening 
exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was 
forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th


Richard Strobel wrote:

>I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? <vbg>. 
>No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and 
>girder above it), are not in two sections.
>
>  I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where the 
>blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
>
>  We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or ???
>
>later,
>Rick
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
>>attached to the axle.
>>Dave Croft
>>Warrington
>>England
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the 
>>>blade
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
>>>>>exposure as
>>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at 
>>>>>the
>>>>>same
>>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
>>>>>blade.
>>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
>>>>>Take Care, Rick
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
>>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
>>>>Dave Croft
>>>>Warrington
>>>>England
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
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>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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>



From mmco at cox-internet.com  Wed Oct  5 09:44:52 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (mmco at cox-internet.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:44:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Rita is gone but not forgotten
Message-ID: <20051005164452.WTKY20902.fe3@localhost>


Just a short note to let all my friends around the world know that I am still kicking in S W LOUISIANA . Don`t have much time to give a complete update , am trying to get my business reopened after almost two weeks of water , heat ,wind and pure hell .As of today , we cannot recieve US MAIL , FEDEX or UPS .We are spending a lot of time in Gas and Food lines but thanks to all of your prayers , we are surviving .
Will respond later with more info when I can .
Your friend and collector of any thing needing a home
Bo Hinch



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 10:20:43 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:20:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>
	<4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>

Curt, are you talking about side to side wobble?  Surely the diameter won't 
change.

  It's got a pretty good set in the teeth. and notice no wobble, plus I'm 
making it a habit to feel for warmth anywhere on the blade...after 
sandblasting the whole blade...so far, so good.

  I'm considering your suggestion on the use of gloves.

  I'm gonna grab the camera and get a better pix of that blade clearance.

"headed fer the shed"
Rick






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.


> Rick,
> You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having
> used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.
>
> In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had
> insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The
> combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy.
> Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8"
> you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the
> teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade
> hammered properly to eliminate wobble.
>
> In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder,
> so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of
> the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get
> into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are
> lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair
> day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and
> the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a
> miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen
> with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see
> evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.
>
> Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to
> the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the
> log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the
> blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your 
> safety.
>
> And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of
> gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my
> buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip
> but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better
> to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the
> belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one
> of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening
> exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was
> forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th
>
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? 
> ><vbg>.
> >No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and
> >girder above it), are not in two sections.
> >
> >  I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where 
> > the
> >blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
> >
> >  We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or 
> > ???
> >
> >later,
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
> >>attached to the axle.
> >>Dave Croft
> >>Warrington
> >>England
> >>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the
> >>>blade
> >>>
> >>>Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
> >>>>>exposure as
> >>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>same
> >>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
> >>>>>blade.
> >>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
> >>>>>Take Care, Rick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> >>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> >>>>Dave Croft
> >>>>Warrington
> >>>>England
> >>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Oct  5 11:15:19 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:15:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>	<4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com>
	<BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43441837.6030301@imc-group.com>

Yes Rick, side to side wobble. As I mentioned early on I saw my blade 
wobble when at speed. It was better than an inch each side of center. It 
wiggled around like a like a spinning pizza crust. Even cold it tended 
to do this. The hammering by an expert took care of the problem.
Sandblasting will likely compound the problem as now the entire blade is 
in compression.
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Curt, are you talking about side to side wobble?  Surely the diameter won't 
>change.
>
>  It's got a pretty good set in the teeth. and notice no wobble, plus I'm 
>making it a habit to feel for warmth anywhere on the blade...after 
>sandblasting the whole blade...so far, so good.
>
>  I'm considering your suggestion on the use of gloves.
>
>  I'm gonna grab the camera and get a better pix of that blade clearance.
>
>"headed fer the shed"
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
>
>
>  
>
>>Rick,
>>You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having
>>used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.
>>
>>In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had
>>insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The
>>combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy.
>>Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8"
>>you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the
>>teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade
>>hammered properly to eliminate wobble.
>>
>>In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder,
>>so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of
>>the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get
>>into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are
>>lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair
>>day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and
>>the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a
>>miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen
>>with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see
>>evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.
>>
>>Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to
>>the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the
>>log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the
>>blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your 
>>safety.
>>
>>And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of
>>gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my
>>buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip
>>but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better
>>to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the
>>belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one
>>of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening
>>exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was
>>forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th
>>
>>
>>Richard Strobel wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? 
>>><vbg>.
>>>No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and
>>>girder above it), are not in two sections.
>>>
>>> I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where 
>>>the
>>>blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
>>>
>>> We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or 
>>>???
>>>
>>>later,
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
>>>>attached to the axle.
>>>>Dave Croft
>>>>Warrington
>>>>England
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the
>>>>>blade
>>>>>
>>>>>Rick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
>>>>>>>exposure as
>>>>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>same
>>>>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
>>>>>>>blade.
>>>>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
>>>>>>>Take Care, Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
>>>>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
>>>>>>Dave Croft
>>>>>>Warrington
>>>>>>England
>>>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  5 11:42:18 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:42:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
In-Reply-To: <43441837.6030301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F54FBBE1F70B0D37D5AB3BC8820@phx.gbl>


That would make an exciting afternoon buzzing up some wood!!  :-))

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>Yes Rick, side to side wobble. It was better than an inch each side of 
>center. It wiggled around like a like a spinning pizza crust. Curt
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  5 22:11:35 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:11:35
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine (British)
Message-ID: <200510052215703.SM00296@new>

Hi List,
	Please look at this. Can anyone identify it? Is it just a rebadged
Uniporn? (Sure looks like it)

	The article states " It's called a Daimler Industrial Diesel, London, and
so far, no mention has been found of this marque (at least as far as
Stationary Engines are concerned), by the leading researchers in UK."

	Lets see if the list members can do better !! Maybe a pic or 2 ?

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn34/htn34.htm>

Thanks
Jerry
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  5 22:01:17 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:01:17
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert
Message-ID: <200510052215843.SM00296@new>

Hi List
	I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the coast
to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.

 I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/Archives/arch2/arch2.htm

While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
"Sandstone Heritage Trust".

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index_sht.html>

If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html>

 I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
than 200.

Hope you enjoy it
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  5 22:21:30 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:21:30
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert/update
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051005222130.009bfe80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List
	I just came across this interesting old advert 

<snipped>
If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html>

 I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
than 200.

Update - I've just tried to see the pics of the stationary engines and it
seems like they have messed up the site (again) as I get a message "The
page cannot be found". I know that they have been doing a lot of work on
the site - maybe just forgot to move the pics into the correct directory.
It was working last time I looked. I will contact them tomorrow.

Best regards
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Oct  5 14:08:43 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:08:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine (British)
References: <200510052215703.SM00296@new>
Message-ID: <000501c5c9f0$fb554290$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Jerry,
Since you used my picture of the uniporn, I have another one
for you of an original factory sign.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/unipornsign.jpg
The owner of the engine an Englishman had an info board too,
but I didn't take a picture of it.
What I see at the picture of the Daimler, I would say it's the
same engine (factory).

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Hi List,
> Please look at this. Can anyone identify it? Is it just a rebadged
> Uniporn? (Sure looks like it)
> 
> The article states " It's called a Daimler Industrial Diesel, London, and
> so far, no mention has been found of this marque (at least as far as
> Stationary Engines are concerned), by the leading researchers in UK."
> 
> Lets see if the list members can do better !! Maybe a pic or 2 ?
> 
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn34/htn34.htm>
> 
> Thanks
> Jerry
/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Oct  5 15:29:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:29:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
References: <200510052215843.SM00296@new>
Message-ID: <001301c5c9fc$334ef000$8e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US 
loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or is 
there another reason ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert


> Hi List
> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the 
> coast
> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
>
> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
>
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/Archives/arch2/arch2.htm
>
> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
>
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index_sht.html>
>
> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
>
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html>
>
> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
> than 200.
>
> Hope you enjoy it
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans in S.A.
>
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Oct  5 16:07:09 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:07:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cutting corrogated iron .
Message-ID: <005601c5ca01$86f83a40$8e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks to those members who suggested the reversed circular saw 
blade....works well ,still a hell of a noise. It did prompt me to buy a 
couple of new tipped saw blades ....makes a difference on wood .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Oct  5 16:22:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:22:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine (British)
In-Reply-To: <000501c5c9f0$fb554290$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <200510052215703.SM00296@new>
	<000501c5c9f0$fb554290$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051005192127.03cd3e60@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:08 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Jerry,
>Since you used my picture of the uniporn,
>John Hammink

WOW! That's not very nice--at least w/out proper credit!
         dave 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 16:24:10 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
In-Reply-To: <001301c5c9fc$334ef000$8e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051005232410.96433.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Peter,
Burning wood, or coal, that smoke stack was where they sent the steam after the piston used it so it would speed up the draft.  That made the fire burn hotter.
Just maybe the shape of the stack is what they figured would make the most difference.
 
Come see this at the Buckley show.  Every night during the show they hook up a steam traction engine to the Prony Brake and throw in a few shovels full of sawdust.  Then they use the Prony Brake to put a load on the engine and the stack puts out a spark shower WAY up in the air.  
 
Alan

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US 
loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or is 
there another reason ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" 
To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert


> Hi List
> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the 
> coast
> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
>
> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
>
> >
> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
>
> 
>
> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
>
> 
>
> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
> than 200.
>
> Hope you enjoy it
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans in S.A.

		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 16:29:30 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>	<4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com><BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>
	<43441837.6030301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV16BDFA7A796B535590277EBB820@phx.gbl>

Sure appears to be runnin' true when up to speed.  I'll know more when I put 
some 2x's thru it and then measure the set against the kerf.

  Curt, let's say on a scale of 1-10, pertaining to ease of starting.  If 1 
was unbelted, what would you rate your's when belted up.??...I would swag 
mine at about 7.  Whew, but I got her to go and ran it for over an 
hour..belted up.  She came up to a good steam.

TIA
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.


> Yes Rick, side to side wobble. As I mentioned early on I saw my blade
> wobble when at speed. It was better than an inch each side of center. It
> wiggled around like a like a spinning pizza crust. Even cold it tended
> to do this. The hammering by an expert took care of the problem.
> Sandblasting will likely compound the problem as now the entire blade is
> in compression.
> Curt
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Curt, are you talking about side to side wobble?  Surely the diameter 
> >won't
> >change.
> >
> >  It's got a pretty good set in the teeth. and notice no wobble, plus I'm
> >making it a habit to feel for warmth anywhere on the blade...after
> >sandblasting the whole blade...so far, so good.
> >
> >  I'm considering your suggestion on the use of gloves.
> >
> >  I'm gonna grab the camera and get a better pix of that blade clearance.
> >
> >"headed fer the shed"
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:16 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Rick,
> >>You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having
> >>used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.
> >>
> >>In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had
> >>insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The
> >>combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy.
> >>Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8"
> >>you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the
> >>teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade
> >>hammered properly to eliminate wobble.
> >>
> >>In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder,
> >>so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of
> >>the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get
> >>into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are
> >>lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair
> >>day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and
> >>the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a
> >>miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen
> >>with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see
> >>evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.
> >>
> >>Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to
> >>the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the
> >>log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the
> >>blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your
> >>safety.
> >>
> >>And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of
> >>gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my
> >>buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip
> >>but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better
> >>to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the
> >>belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one
> >>of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening
> >>exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was
> >>forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
> >>Curt Holland
> >>Gastonia, NC
> >>Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th
> >>
> >>
> >>Richard Strobel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ?
> >>><vbg>.
> >>>No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle 
> >>>(and
> >>>girder above it), are not in two sections.
> >>>
> >>> I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where
> >>>the
> >>>blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
> >>>
> >>> We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or
> >>>???
> >>>
> >>>later,
> >>>Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
> >>>>attached to the axle.
> >>>>Dave Croft
> >>>>Warrington
> >>>>England
> >>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of 
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>blade
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Rick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> >>>>>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
> >>>>>>>exposure as
> >>>>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>same
> >>>>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
> >>>>>>>blade.
> >>>>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
> >>>>>>>Take Care, Rick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> >>>>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> >>>>>>Dave Croft
> >>>>>>Warrington
> >>>>>>England
> >>>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >>>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>SEL mailing list
> >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>SEL mailing list
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> >>>
> >>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 17:08:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:08:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway sawblade clearance
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV88756A46E9C62A9CC6077BB850@phx.gbl>

  He're a better picture I took today

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/469431296wlmetp

Ric


From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  5 17:12:42 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
Message-ID: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about 
an item.

> * Hi , *
> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I 
> sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you. 
> Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id 
> and arrest you, you fraud
>
> Jvsfl


The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and 
includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution 
folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my 
latest sales have recieved good feedback.

Jeff Allen




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  5 17:41:52 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051005220117.0099f1e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>


Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and don't 
know what shows are left this season that might move someone this way. If 
anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and see if we 
can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever to offset 
costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some of you might 
be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the Arden  show on the 
22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine related!!!!   Thanks, 
Steve Royster

>




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Oct  5 17:44:43 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:44:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
Message-ID: <20051005.174444.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jeff.  It is a scam, I got the same thing a couple of weeks ago. 
Forward it to spoof at ebay.com .  

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:42 -0600 Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question 
> about 
> an item.
> 
> > * Hi , *
> > This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I 
> 
> > sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from 
> you. 
> > Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user 
> id 
> > and arrest you, you fraud
> >
> > Jvsfl


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Oct  5 17:49:24 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
In-Reply-To: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
References: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <62038.167.142.22.207.1128559764.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

SCAM - I have gotten a couple stating that I'd just bought item number
whatever and thanks me for using paypal, and shows a legit looking
invoice.

It might also be another mass-method for getting paypal and ebay user
email or account info.

Either way, forward it to spoof at ebay.com (I think that's the address)

Bill

> Hi all,
>
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about
> an item.
>
>> * Hi , *
>> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I
>> sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you.
>> Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id
>> and arrest you, you fraud
>>
>> Jvsfl
>
>
> The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and
> includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution
> folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my
> latest sales have recieved good feedback.
>
> Jeff Allen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 17:49:29 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:49:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
References: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009501c5ca0f$cf231430$64bed2cc@pengy>

Hmmm, sent the money last week and has already made three attempts to 
contact you about non recipt of the item.  This man is the most impatient 
person on the face of the earth!

Its a scam but couldn't the scammer at least have put five seconds of 
thought into the phony message.

RIck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam


> Hi all,
>
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about 
> an item.
>
>> * Hi , *
>> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I sent 
>> you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you. Is this 
>> a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id and arrest 
>> you, you fraud
>>
>> Jvsfl
>
>
> The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and 
> includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution 
> folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my 
> latest sales have recieved good feedback.
>
> Jeff Allen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct  5 17:51:16 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:51:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
Message-ID: <ce.71ede062.3075cf04@aol.com>

Jeff,
Any message you get from eBay that you think may incorrect should  be 
forwarded to " _spoof at ebay.com_ (mailto:spoof at ebay.com)  ".  They will  let you know 
whether it is legitimate or not.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Oct  5 17:56:12 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:56:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
References: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <014301c5ca10$c0f953a0$00428347@D6R3D961>

Jeff thank him for the money , I bet the email will bounce back to you, They 
now put another address in the body of there messages. It amazes me how many 
of these I receive everyday. I would estimate 25 per day
Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam


> Hi all,
>
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about 
> an item.
>
>> * Hi , *
>> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I sent 
>> you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you. Is this 
>> a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id and arrest 
>> you, you fraud
>>
>> Jvsfl
>
>
> The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and 
> includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution 
> folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my 
> latest sales have recieved good feedback.
>
> Jeff Allen
>
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  5 18:28:22 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:28:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
In-Reply-To: <20051005.174444.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051005.174444.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <43447DB6.1020002@earthlink.net>

This one is good boys and girls. You can't forward it to anyone, 
including E-Bay. Won't happen and you get an error message. Click the 
respond link and put in a phony user and password and you go straight to 
the legitimate E-bay login screen with a wrong password message. My 
thought is if you put in the right one, you have been harvested and 
would be sent to your E-Bay account and never know until it was too 
late. Best code I've seen so far for this. FTR, I did get the page saved 
and sent as an attachment to spoof at ebay. You will not forward this one 
to them. URL is Romania cause I traced it.

Jeff Allen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi Jeff.  It is a scam, I got the same thing a couple of weeks ago. 
>Forward it to spoof at ebay.com .  
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:42 -0600 Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>writes:
>  
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question 
>>about 
>>an item.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>* Hi , *
>>>This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I 
>>>      
>>>
>>>sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from 
>>>      
>>>
>>you. 
>>    
>>
>>>Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user 
>>>      
>>>
>>id 
>>    
>>
>>>and arrest you, you fraud
>>>
>>>Jvsfl
>>>      
>>>
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>
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Oct  5 19:28:24 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:28:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <155c5dc15f3ea266968c82faf233ec6a@chartertn.net>

I don't think any of the members of the SEL except for Dave and Rob 
have much experience with 2000 pound wenches.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 20:31:14 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <155c5dc15f3ea266968c82faf233ec6a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F23414439E3E13C6CC16D77E7850@phx.gbl>

We have 2 winches one is 2,500 lbs that is mounted in Bill's truck bed and 
he has a 3,000 lbs one he uses to winch his engines out of the basement.

Peg Pfeiffer
(Offical Winch Wench)


>From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:28:24 -0400
>
>I don't think any of the members of the SEL except for Dave and Rob have 
>much experience with 2000 pound wenches.
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct  5 23:02:15 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:02:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT  Linotype Parts Available
In-Reply-To: <003201c5c94e$04e5faa0$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <035801c5ca3b$81ec5ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> The foundry that I work at just bought all of the cast iron 
> parts from a 
> model 5 Linotype machine.  The castings are all in good shape 
> and I am 
> putting the word out that I have parts in case anyone with a 
> model 5 is 
> missing parts or has a broken part.  The parts will be 
> available for a 
> couple of weeks before they are fed into the furnace and melted down.


Hi Rick,
The boys and girls at Rollag run a print shop with a couple linotype machines.  


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

















From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  6 02:57:17 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:57:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
Message-ID: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank and 
carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Oct  6 01:21:43 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:43 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
References: <20051005232410.96433.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c5ca66$1c25ee50$539181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes Alan ...that would be correct . Perhaps the inverted cones created a 
better venturi . The ejection of exhaust steam through the stack is the way 
it was done here ....we also have it on a 1904 Ruston Proctor Portable Steam 
Engine that we run here. Those opposing cones were a distinctive feature of 
North American Locos.I would like to go to Buckley but it is in the other 
hemisphere!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?


> Hi Peter,
> Burning wood, or coal, that smoke stack was where they sent the steam 
> after the piston used it so it would speed up the draft.  That made the 
> fire burn hotter.
> Just maybe the shape of the stack is what they figured would make the most 
> difference.
>
> Come see this at the Buckley show.  Every night during the show they hook 
> up a steam traction engine to the Prony Brake and throw in a few shovels 
> full of sawdust.  Then they use the Prony Brake to put a load on the 
> engine and the stack puts out a spark shower WAY up in the air.
>
> Alan
>
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US
> loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or 
> is
> there another reason ?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans"
> To: ;
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert
>
>
>> Hi List
>> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
>> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the
>> coast
>> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
>>
>> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
>>
>> >
>> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
>> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
>>
>>
>>
>> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
>>
>>
>>
>> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
>> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have 
>> more
>> than 200.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it
>> Best regards
>> Jerry Evans in S.A.
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct  6 04:53:54 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
In-Reply-To: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C
	@mchsi.com>
References: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2323.165.206.180.102.1128599634.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

That would be great as my 1.5 hp is also the next in line to get running
and is lacking fuel tank completely.

Bill
Runnells, IA
(where we go from 90 to 50 degrees in 24 hours)

> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank
> and
> carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Oct  6 05:29:28 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:29:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051005220117.0099f1e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051006082628.03d4b640@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:

>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster

Hi Steve,
         Arnie and i will be heading for Cotton Ginning at sparrows fart on 
the 13th. If anyone can get your bike anywhere near Pittsburgh/Greensburg 
prior to that we can bring it to the Ginning.
         Dave  



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct  6 05:34:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:34:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
References: <20051005232410.96433.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002a01c5ca66$1c25ee50$539181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV106F0A8F5A3B5E3AF4E2CBB850@phx.gbl>

I've heard that different stacks (on the locomotives) were used, depending 
on what type of fuel was used..wood vs. coal.  Draft plus it helped quench 
the sparks.

RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?


> Yes Alan ...that would be correct . Perhaps the inverted cones created a
> better venturi . The ejection of exhaust steam through the stack is the 
> way
> it was done here ....we also have it on a 1904 Ruston Proctor Portable 
> Steam
> Engine that we run here. Those opposing cones were a distinctive feature 
> of
> North American Locos.I would like to go to Buckley but it is in the other
> hemisphere!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
>
>
> > Hi Peter,
> > Burning wood, or coal, that smoke stack was where they sent the steam
> > after the piston used it so it would speed up the draft.  That made the
> > fire burn hotter.
> > Just maybe the shape of the stack is what they figured would make the 
> > most
> > difference.
> >
> > Come see this at the Buckley show.  Every night during the show they 
> > hook
> > up a steam traction engine to the Prony Brake and throw in a few shovels
> > full of sawdust.  Then they use the Prony Brake to put a load on the
> > engine and the stack puts out a spark shower WAY up in the air.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> > Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time 
> > US
> > loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or
> > is
> > there another reason ?
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jerry Evans"
> > To: ;
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert
> >
> >
> >> Hi List
> >> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
> >> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the
> >> coast
> >> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
> >>
> >> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
> >>
> >> >
> >> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
> >> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
> >> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have
> >> more
> >> than 200.
> >>
> >> Hope you enjoy it
> >> Best regards
> >> Jerry Evans in S.A.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! for Good
> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
>
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Oct  6 08:28:54 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
In-Reply-To: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051006152854.63844.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt

Come on down this weekend to the Jonamac Orchard.  Small Engine only show
in Malta, IL.  I have one in the storage shed 2 miles from the show. 
There should be a sandwich or two there as well.  We have a blast....

http://www.jonamacorchard.com/

Just being glad to be over this nasty cold that I have had the last
several days...

This pic is about the best that I can find...depending on your version of
the 1 1/2. They used different fuel pickups during the production.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Sandwich/engines1/23.JPG

or

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/photo/engine/1_5hpweb.jpg

Steve

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
advance,
Curt Andree



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  6 10:34:37 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:34:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051006082628.03d4b640@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F319C29297CEAF21C3C530795850@phx.gbl>

Thanks, Dave and Arnie, I will add this to my request!!  Does anyone know of 
anyone who might be going from the Chicago area to the Pittsburg area before 
the 13th!  Many Thanks, Steve


>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:29:28 -0400
>
>At 08:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>
>Hi Steve,
>         Arnie and i will be heading for Cotton Ginning at sparrows fart on 
>the 13th. If anyone can get your bike anywhere near Pittsburgh/Greensburg 
>prior to that we can bring it to the Ginning.
>         Dave
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct  6 10:09:36 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:09:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
advance,
Curt Andree
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at the
Boonville, MO show.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web






From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  6 09:29:04 2005
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:29:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F154752EF2119900310AAECC4850@phx.gbl>

Steve,
I am planning to go to Coolspring on the 13, 14, & 15'th.  Then comming to 
Arden on the 20, 21, & 22'nd.  If Steve Barr is coming to Coolspring, I 
should be able to make it happen.

Pete Stauffer


>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
>
>
>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some of 
>you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the Arden  
>show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Thu Oct  6 12:43:09 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:43:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Locomotive stacks
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7057F0E20@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

"I've heard that different stacks (on the locomotives) were used,
depending 
on what type of fuel was used..wood vs. coal.  Draft plus it helped
quench 
the sparks.

RickinMt."

Right on, Rick. The wood-burners used the diamond-shaped stacks, and the
coal burners the straight stacks. If you get a close look at a diamond
stack, they are usually hinged, bolted, or  banded at the wide point.
There is a screen in there to act as a spark arrestor, and the stack can
be opened to service it.

Unfortunately, the Avery underslung that passed us while we sat in my
new pickup watching the parade two weeks ago at Prairieland, did not
have the spark arrestor.  The four of us had the doors open for breeze,
and with the breeze we got sparks that put a couple of little burns on
the seats and a purty good one on the plastic around the base of the
seat.  Should have seen it coming, so to speak.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Oct  6 16:36:08 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:36:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <008001c5cace$ba930c40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Thanks John. That was my Sandwich engine at Booneville. Wish I still had it.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.


> --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
> advance,
> Curt Andree
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at the
> Boonville, MO show.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Oct  6 16:42:15 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:42:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Locomotive stacks...litigation.
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7057F0E20@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <001301c5cacf$9947d5b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

The way things are now days Bruce you may have a case for litigation, even a 
new vehicle!But of course we of the SEL would not pursue that course.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Younger" <byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] Locomotive stacks


> "I've heard that different stacks (on the locomotives) were used,
> depending
> on what type of fuel was used..wood vs. coal.  Draft plus it helped
> quench
> the sparks.
>
> RickinMt."
>
> Right on, Rick. The wood-burners used the diamond-shaped stacks, and the
> coal burners the straight stacks. If you get a close look at a diamond
> stack, they are usually hinged, bolted, or  banded at the wide point.
> There is a screen in there to act as a spark arrestor, and the stack can
> be opened to service it.
>
> Unfortunately, the Avery underslung that passed us while we sat in my
> new pickup watching the parade two weeks ago at Prairieland, did not
> have the spark arrestor.  The four of us had the doors open for breeze,
> and with the breeze we got sparks that put a couple of little burns on
> the seats and a purty good one on the plastic around the base of the
> seat.  Should have seen it coming, so to speak.
>
> Bruce Younger
> Lenexa, Kansas USA
> mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Oct  6 16:45:41 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:45:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <002101c5cad0$13aa66b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there a 
fuel pump ah la M types?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.


> --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
> advance,
> Curt Andree
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at the
> Boonville, MO show.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  7 01:55:28 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:55:28
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
In-Reply-To: <200510061755.j96Hti8T023725@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Answering the following:
Re:Mystery Engine (British) (John Hammink)
Re:Interesting old advert....smoke stack? (peter ogborne)
Re: Mystery Engine (British) (Dave Rotigel)
Re: WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety


Hello The List,
	I've got a few things to answer here so am just going to do it all in 1 post.

a) John Hammink  wrote :
"Hi Jerry,
>Since you used my picture of the uniporn,"

Hi John,
	I had no idea that it was your picture but you have it wrong - that was
not my website that I sent the link to - it was "Sandstone Estates". I will
never steal a picture for my site. If I needed one I would ask and give due
credit. In fact I cannot think of one photo on my site that I have not
taken myself. You have helped me a lot with info in the past and I have
always written to thank you.
	I probably caused the confusion by saying that "I put up the webpage for
them" - I was referring to their "Stationary Engine Inventory" page - not
the whole website.
	Don't worry - I think it was a misunderstanding and I am not in the least
upset - just need to clear it up. As soon as I have finished this post I
will send one to the "Big Chief" at Sandstone and point out the "error of
their ways" to him. It will be sorted out.
	On the same subject - I have been approached by Sandstone (The same "Big
Chief") and asked if I would like to take over as Webmaster for the Tractor
and Stationary Engine part of their website (which is why I was spending
time on it yesterday). I expect a call tomorrow to set up a meeting. Keep
your fingers crossed - I would love to do this. Also, if I do accept then
there will be no pilfering of pictures on the site. They are actually very
good people and I think that this was probably done without bad intention.
Probably just a case of not understanding "Internet Etiquette". I will set
the record straight for you.
	(Where did the picture come from ? - The URL will help me when I speak to
them)
Best Regards
Jerry


b) Dave Rotigel wrote:
>WOW! That's not very nice--at least w/out proper credit!
>         dave 

Hi Dave,
	Already answered above.
Best regards
Jerry
P.S. I never heard if you enjoyed the last link I posted for you ;-)


c) Peter Ogborne wrote:

>Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US 
>loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or is 
>there another reason ?

Hi Peter, 
	I know nothing about steam but it is strange that I have also always
wondered about that. I always thought that it was just something that
looked better in the "Cowboy & Indian" movies or the cartoons. A train
"puffing" through a canyon on it's way to an ambush would just not be the
same if it had a "chimney" like our South African or your Aussie trains. (VBG)
Best wishes
Jerry

This next answer is about Rick's sawblade appearing to cut into it's chassis:
"Galloway sawblade clearance"

Rick wrote:
"No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain." 
&
Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure
as I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the
same angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
blade.
Dunno, but it's kewl
Take Care, Rick

	Rick has that blade got "cooling slots" cut into it. I'm not sure what you
people call them but these are slots cut from the "gullet" of the teeth
inwards for an inch or two (depending on the diameter of the blade) and
often ending with a circular hole. ( I know this is not the best
description but hope you understand what I mean). There could be 8 or 10 of
these - again depending on the diameter.
	If you used ambient light for the pic your shutter speed may have been
quite slow. I'm wondering if the effect was not caused by this. I'm going
to battle to explain my theory in writing so just bear with me - it may
take a while. 
	With a slow shutter speed and the spinning blade it is possible that the
camera also caught some of the image that was behind the blade, but visible
through the cooling slots as they sped past. (Wow this is difficult to
explain). This could also account for the fact that the steel beam appears
to be "grey" or "burnt" where the blade has appeared to cut into it -
because it has received less exposure than the rest - it only exposed each
time a cooling slot let light past. If you look at the circumference of the
blade you will see a blurred image as the teeth are creating the same
effect but because there are more of them (or gaps between them) they are
not as under exposed. Does this make any sense to any of you - I know what
I mean but not how to explain it :-). ( To answer another question from the
list - No I was never a teacher - not in this life or any other :-)) but in
my next life I intend being a cat in a home like mine. ( You gotta love
cats to understand that one),
	The lack of shadows as well as the good illumination of the underside of
the engine and transporter in the pic points to a flash being used so this
would make my theory even more difficult to explain as an electronic flash
should freeze most motion (unless your Galloway runs really fast ;-)) . You
also mention a lot of reflections in that area which may (or may not)
account for the fact that this only is visible in that area.
	To try to explain my theory better I have put a pic of the engine on my
site (sorry Rick - I never asked permission but only this letter will link
to it) - check it out.

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rickseng.jpg> 

	Whatever the answer I do agree with you - it is a KEWL pic - gets the old
brain cells working overtime.
Keep well
Jerry in S.A.

P.S. For those of you who love cats - you gotta see this pic.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/cats.jpg>








Best regards
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Oct  6 18:43:18 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:43:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <200510061755.j96Hti8T023725@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051006183755.0277fec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Jerry,

If the camera has a focal plane shutter it can cause some interesting 
effects when taking pictures of moving things.

Regards,
Larry



>This next answer is about Rick's sawblade appearing to cut into it's chassis:
>"Galloway sawblade clearance"
>
>Rick wrote:
>"No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain."
>&
>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure
>as I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the
>same angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
>blade.
>Dunno, but it's kewl
>Take Care, Rick
>
>         Rick has that blade got "cooling slots" cut into it. I'm not sure 
> what you
>people call them but these are slots cut from the "gullet" of the teeth
>inwards for an inch or two (depending on the diameter of the blade) and
>often ending with a circular hole. ( I know this is not the best
>description but hope you understand what I mean). There could be 8 or 10 of
>these - again depending on the diameter.
>         If you used ambient light for the pic your shutter speed may have 
> been
>quite slow. I'm wondering if the effect was not caused by this. I'm going
>to battle to explain my theory in writing so just bear with me - it may
>take a while.
>         With a slow shutter speed and the spinning blade it is possible 
> that the
>camera also caught some of the image that was behind the blade, but visible
>through the cooling slots as they sped past. (Wow this is difficult to
>explain). This could also account for the fact that the steel beam appears
>to be "grey" or "burnt" where the blade has appeared to cut into it -
>because it has received less exposure than the rest - it only exposed each
>time a cooling slot let light past. If you look at the circumference of the
>blade you will see a blurred image as the teeth are creating the same
>effect but because there are more of them (or gaps between them) they are
>not as under exposed. Does this make any sense to any of you - I know what
>I mean but not how to explain it :-). ( To answer another question from the
>list - No I was never a teacher - not in this life or any other :-)) but in
>my next life I intend being a cat in a home like mine. ( You gotta love
>cats to understand that one),
>         The lack of shadows as well as the good illumination of the 
> underside of
>the engine and transporter in the pic points to a flash being used so this
>would make my theory even more difficult to explain as an electronic flash
>should freeze most motion (unless your Galloway runs really fast ;-)) . You
>also mention a lot of reflections in that area which may (or may not)
>account for the fact that this only is visible in that area.
>         To try to explain my theory better I have put a pic of the engine 
> on my
>site (sorry Rick - I never asked permission but only this letter will link
>to it) - check it out.
>
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rickseng.jpg>
>
>         Whatever the answer I do agree with you - it is a KEWL pic - gets 
> the old
>brain cells working overtime.
>Keep well
>Jerry in S.A.
>
>P.S. For those of you who love cats - you gotta see this pic.
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/cats.jpg>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Best regards
>Jerry Evans.
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
>
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery   ----- The lower cost Data Recovery
>Alternative !
>We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack
>/ Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss
>(FDISK).
>We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes.
>Visit our site:
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>Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191
>Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787
>eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za
>Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct  6 19:14:12 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:14:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop
Message-ID: <d7.2ee47782.307733f4@aol.com>

Hi List,
Anyone have experience with this unit?  If so, please let us  know what you 
think of it?
 
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From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Thu Oct  6 19:29:11 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:29:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
References: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001301c5cae6$e737a680$66c77040@user>

Curt, Bill, sent you some pics. If you don't get them let me know and I will
do something different. Not reel intelegent here...
Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed


Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank
and
carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Oct  7 00:37:51 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:37:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<002101c5cad0$13aa66b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001b01c5cb12$06cbda40$e484dccb@oemcomputer>

Is your engine a Cub or the earlier type as the Cub tank is different to the
normal 1.5 hp engine.I found this out the hard way.I got a new tank out of
the US and it was sold as being for a 1.5 hp Sandwich but it was for a Cub
and was all together different to the tank in my engine.The one in the pic
from John is the same as my engine.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:45
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.


> John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there
a
> fuel pump ah la M types?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:09 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
>
>
> > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> > tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou
in
> > advance,
> > Curt Andree
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at
the
> > Boonville, MO show.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 01:36:26 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:36:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<002101c5cad0$13aa66b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000c01c5cb1a$38bf0c40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>


> John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there a 
> fuel pump ah la M types?

Sorry Peter, I can't tell you that I'm not familiar with these Sandwich
engines. I'm sure other list members could answer your Q.

John H.



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Oct  7 02:18:57 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:18:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] For Digital Camera users..........OT
Message-ID: <000d01c5cb20$29db5840$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Has any one tried the San Disc Photo library.........great little gadget for 
storing and showing  pictures?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 02:22:36 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:22:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
References: <3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002f01c5cb20$adc75140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>




> a) John Hammink  wrote :
> "Hi Jerry,
> >Since you used my picture of the uniporn,"

> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.

Hi Jerry, 
It doesn't matter at all, everybody can use my pics if they
want as long they don't commercial things with it.
The pic came from the Nuenen 2005 show this year.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm

Don't worry anymore man, it's allright with me.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web

PS  Good explanation of the saw rig picture, looks like the
      first experimental television recordings.





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 02:00:33 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:00:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<008001c5cace$ba930c40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <001701c5cb1d$97184f10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Charlie, didn't know it was yours anymore, but do remember
this one of your Woodpecker at the same show.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Woodpecker.jpg

It was great at that time Portland, Mt.Pleasant and Boonville show
in one row. Say hello to Clarence.

Regards,
John H.



> Thanks John. That was my Sandwich engine at Booneville. Wish I still had it.
> 
> Charlie Bryant
> Jay, Maine




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:49:57 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:49:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <100720050949.16558.434644C5000CB563000040AE21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Edd,
Mine is standard 1 1/2 not cub.  Kerry's pic may just help me.
thanks,
Curt


> Is your engine a Cub or the earlier type as the Cub tank is different to the
> normal 1.5 hp engine.I found this out the hard way.I got a new tank out of
> the US and it was sold as being for a 1.5 hp Sandwich but it was for a Cub
> and was all together different to the tank in my engine.The one in the pic
> from John is the same as my engine.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:45
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
> 
> 
> > John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there
> a
> > fuel pump ah la M types?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> > To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:09 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
> >
> >
> > > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> > > tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou
> in
> > > advance,
> > > Curt Andree
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >
> > > Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at
> the
> > > Boonville, MO show.
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Hammink
> > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:52:42 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:52:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
Message-ID: <100720050952.17430.4346456A0009C5660000441621979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Paul,
Thanks to both you and Bill for pics.  Looks pretty much like what I needed 
except my engine has the webster mag with ignitor.  Should give better idea on 
plumbing fuel lines now.
Curt


> Curt, Bill, sent you some pics. If you don't get them let me know and I will
> do something different. Not reel intelegent here...
> Paul Russell
> Riga, Michigan
> hit_n_miss at tc3net.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:57 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
> 
> 
> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank
> and
> carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:55:56 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:55:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <100720050955.18683.4346462C0009CD02000048FB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>




> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> 
> 
> > John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there a 
> > fuel pump ah la M types?
> 
> Sorry Peter, I can't tell you that I'm not familiar with these Sandwich
> engines. I'm sure other list members could answer your Q.
> 
> John H.
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:58:19 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:58:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <100720050958.18911.434646BB00050CD8000049DF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks John for the pic.
Curt


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 03:01:27 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:01:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
Message-ID: <100720051001.19968.434647770001791D00004E0021979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi John,
Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your webpage shots 
from the Neunan show?
Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
thankyou,
Curt


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 04:13:58 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:13:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] For Digital Camera users..........OT
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5cb20$29db5840$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000d01c5cb20$29db5840$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510070413i3d4c140chd45214ce5eb4692@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/7/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> Has any one tried the San Disc Photo library.........great little gadget for
> storing and showing  pictures?
> Peter Ogborne

http://www.engadget.com/entry/8166386740663617/

Looks like a gadget chasing an application, but could be useful if you
are a multi-card user rather than staying with one make/type like
Memory Stick.

Quote:
"So SanDisk's Digital Photo Viewer, a multi-format memory card reader
which did one thing, and did it well (i.e. let you view your digital
photos on a TV) has been reincarnated as the SanDisk Photo Album. Only
this time they weren't able to resist the siren call of convergence
and have souped it up with the ability to playback both MPEG-1 and
Motion JPEG video clips and MP3 audio files besides all that digital
photo viewing stuff. Not bad for fifty bucks, but better still they
also mention that there's a port for USB flash drives, which makes us
think that you could hook this thing up to an external USB hard drive
and instantly have a cheap digital audio jukebox that connects to your
home stereo."
End quote

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 05:02:39 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:02:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
References: <100720051001.19968.434647770001791D00004E0021979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000701c5cb37$079e93c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Curt,
I know the owners, but don't have his email at the moment.
The engine owns to Bart & Johnny Nuttin collectors from
Belgium. Will look around the club guys to find his email for you.
Here a picture of the boys with another beautiful engine.
http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/slides/japy%20440%20(25).html

John H.



> Hi John,
> Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your webpage shots 
> from the Neunan show?
> Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
> thankyou,
> Curt




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Oct  7 19:40:13 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051005220117.0099f1e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007213901.06731e00@mail.herculesengines.com>

I'll be coming through the Chicago area the weekend of October 28 and 
depending on the size could probably pick it up and get it to 
Evansville if that would help any.
Keith



At 07:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:

>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 
>100 miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up 
>and facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in 
>this area planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there 
>that could haul it and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't 
>have the show guide and don't know what shows are left this season 
>that might move someone this way. If anyone is headed south from the 
>Chicago area please contact me and see if we can arrainge this move. 
>I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever to offset costs. Thanks in 
>advance for considering this. I'm hoping some of you might be coming 
>down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the Arden  show on the 
>22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>
>
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  7 18:00:11 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:00:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
Message-ID: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got the pictures up from last weekend. Pictures can't do justice to 
the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. Enjoy all or part of it 
at your leisure.

http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/Cider05.html

Jeff Allen



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  7 09:28:07 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] For Your Weekend Viewing Pleasure
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510071226030.98561@vegeta.city-net.com>

Folks,

The Second DARPA Grand Challenge is set to go on Saturday.  Two local
vehicles; Sandstorm and Highlander out of Carnegie Mellon University, are
ready to lead the pack!  Look for one of those two to be the WINNER!!

http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.html

http://www.redteamracing.org/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Oct  7 08:09:32 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL]  Sandwich eng pics needed.
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5cb1a$38bf0c40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <20051007150932.84212.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com>


>From the information that I have and Sandwich engines that I have seen,
All Sandwich Hit and Miss engines use a check ball (vertical or
horizontal) depending on where the fuel comes out of the tank.  They did
make Throttle Governed engines which did use fuel pumps.  They had a dual
fuel carb out front.

If anyone knows of a Sandwich throttler for sale, let me know as I am
looking for one.  Perfer a 4hp, but would take up to a 10hp :)

Steve
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>

John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there
a fuel pump ah la M types?




++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct  7 14:44:53 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:44:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
Message-ID: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>

I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them frequently.  
Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of problems:

  vendor                 type         category
Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner

I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on when I run 
Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything 
different.

Thanks,


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  7 06:49:20 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:49:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F154752EF2119900310AAECC4850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1755C61B6E2905FDA37EB295840@phx.gbl>

Hi Pete, He's not going to coolspring, although there is apossibility his 
dad might. I'll let you know, Many thanks, Steve. look forward to seeing 
you!


>From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:29:04 -0400
>
>Steve,
>I am planning to go to Coolspring on the 13, 14, & 15'th.  Then comming to 
>Arden on the 20, 21, & 22'nd.  If Steve Barr is coming to Coolspring, I 
>should be able to make it happen.
>
>Pete Stauffer
>
>
>>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
>>
>>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Fri Oct  7 15:21:15 2005
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: For Your Weekend Viewing Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510071226030.98561@vegeta.city-net.com>;
	from fero_ah@city-net.com on Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:28:07PM -0400
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510071226030.98561@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051007172115.A11745@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:28:07PM -0400, Arnie Fero wrote:
> The Second DARPA Grand Challenge is set to go on Saturday.  Two local
> vehicles; Sandstorm and Highlander out of Carnegie Mellon University, are
> ready to lead the pack!  Look for one of those two to be the WINNER!!
> 
> http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.html
> 
> http://www.redteamracing.org/

Some of my guys are on team CajunBot. Don't be too sure of yourself here!

http://www.cajunbot.org

-- 
Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
	pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
	HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct  7 20:48:52 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:48:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
In-Reply-To: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051008034857.4C8A923A564@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

A. It's possible some application, such as HP scanner or data drivers
installed this, and the Windows "Recovery mode" is putting it back if it
gets deleted. Or there is some "shareware" or "freeware" that installed it.
B. It's possible that it's one of those multi-threaded threats that actually
runs a hidden process to rebuild its own files if they get deleted or
disabled. Unless you are REALLY good with Windows, they are tough to
kill/remove.
C. There is something you are doing, some web site you are visiting that
keeps putting it back.

To know for sure, I'd need to see the registry entry that loads or runs it,
the exact name and location of the file, and even possibly to look "inside"
the file for more information about it, what it does and where it came from.

I run Symantec Antivirus Corporate edition 9.2 and it finds such threats as
they appear, making it very easy for me.
There are some utilities you can run that find running processes and parse
the registry to find their load points, then they will print a report. A lot
can be learned from that.
I do really like the latest Spybot Search and Destroy, too. I think they are
at version 1.4 or something like that now.

In your case, the file may be gathering info such as what URLs you visit,
information about your computing habits, what's on your computer, name,
email address, IP address, etc and sending it out somewhere.
Generally these are used to gather information for advertising purposes.
There's BIG bucks in this stuff.

I deal with this stuff daily at work................

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:45 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT

I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them frequently.  
Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of problems:

  vendor                 type         category
Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner

I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on when I
run Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything
different.

Thanks,


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From gwaugh at wowway.com  Fri Oct  7 20:52:55 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:52:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
In-Reply-To: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>
References: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43474297.6090304@wowway.com>

Thanks for the pics, Jeff; I really like your presentation method.

Gene
Elgin, Illinois USA

Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just got the pictures up from last weekend. Pictures can't do justice 
> to the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. Enjoy all or part 
> of it at your leisure.
>
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/Cider05.html
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>



From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  8 15:24:59 2005
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:24:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Check out The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine
	shop
References: <d7.2ee47782.307733f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c5cc57$207b26d0$acac9b18@jake>

HELLO FRANCIS:
      Talked to a man on the phone about the multimachine.I will go by his 
place one day next week and look at this item for you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Check out The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine 
shop


> Hi List,
> Anyone have experience with this unit?  If so, please let us  know what 
> you
> think of it?
>
> _Click here: The MULTIMACHINE Works! --  build your own machine shop_
> (http://multimachine.net/)
> < _http://multimachine.net/_ (http://multimachine.net/)  >
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  8 05:19:01 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:19:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
In-Reply-To: <000701c5cb37$079e93c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000001c5cc02$7d3ba930$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Hey John, nice engine in the foreground of the picture.  I also noticed
one sitting up high in the background.  It looks like a Caille that I
have.  Was curious if you know what make it is.  Could be maybe a
Detroit or a Sandow as well.  

Thanks!

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John
Hammink
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Various answers/ and more

Hi Curt,
I know the owners, but don't have his email at the moment.
The engine owns to Bart & Johnny Nuttin collectors from
Belgium. Will look around the club guys to find his email for you.
Here a picture of the boys with another beautiful engine.
http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/slides/japy%20440%20(25).html

John H.



> Hi John,
> Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your
webpage shots 
> from the Neunan show?
> Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
> thankyou,
> Curt


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  8 06:52:27 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:52:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
Message-ID: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about 
everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe Prindle 
handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show and 
proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.

Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree

Sorry about no titles on pics as I missplaced my pic list.
enjoy,
Curt Andree


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 20:41:55 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:41:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
References: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5cc83$6709ba40$111f7546@mycomputer>

Delete your coockies before you run adaware....i think those repeats will 
stop.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT


>I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them frequently.
> Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of 
> problems:
>
>  vendor                 type         category
> Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner
>
> I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on when I 
> run
> Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything
> different.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From asouth at strato.net  Sat Oct  8 16:42:37 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:42:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
References: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006001c5cc61$f71a7f10$7921d7cc@ARTHUR>

Good pictures Allen,
Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Gayle Borchers" <gborchers at qwest.net>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill


> Hi all,
>
> Just got the pictures up from last weekend. Pictures can't do justice to 
> the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. Enjoy all or part of it at 
> your leisure.
>
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/Cider05.html
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 10/7/2005
>
> 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  8 02:16:13 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 09:16:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
Message-ID: <100820050916.14250.43478E5D000A179C000037AA21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi John,
Sorry but couln't open to pics, looks like something I can't read (not sure of 
language).
Curt


> Hi Curt,
> I know the owners, but don't have his email at the moment.
> The engine owns to Bart & Johnny Nuttin collectors from
> Belgium. Will look around the club guys to find his email for you.
> Here a picture of the boys with another beautiful engine.
> http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/slides/japy%20440%20(25).html
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi John,
> > Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your webpage shots 
> > from the Neunan show?
> > Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
> > thankyou,
> > Curt
> 
> 
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 07:21:30 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:21:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 4 original engine/tractor ads to look at
Message-ID: <000701c5cc13$93e795c0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

I found a copy of The Rural New Yorker (newspaper) at a barn sale, and I've
put several of the ads up on the web.

What I've scanned in so far:

-Witte engines
"Now-only $14.24 down", "90 days FREE trial", with photo of the "all-fuel"
engine (looks throttle gov to me) and also photo of ED. H. Witte, pres.
Lists 7 "superior points" that make this "the best all-purpose engine built
today"
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Witte1.jpg

-Edwards Farm Engine
"Try this engine FREE", "No other engine like it", engraving of engine, and
also drawing of A. Y. Edwards.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg

-Case steel-wheeled tractor
"Collect Nature's Reward for Timely Work"
 An awesome engraving showing a farmer working a field, pulling a small
grain cutter(?), with house, barn, stormy sky and lightning.  This must have
been an expensive ad, with that engraving work.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Case1.jpg

Rumely OilPull steel-wheeled tractor
"Is your tractor big enough for its job?"  With engraving of a tractor and
also a "Triple Heat Control" book, and a list of the "five big advantages"
to owning a Rumely.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-AdvanceRumel
y1.jpg


-Rick I.
All these links are also available from my main page:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Oct  8 06:57:02 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:57:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
Message-ID: <219.ae9deb0.30792a2e@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/7/2005 11:38:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
transteck at earthlink.net writes:

<< Pictures can't do justice to 
 the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. >>


Jeff,

What a great bunch of equipment sawmill, edge planer, tongue and groove 
machine, shingle mill.  All you need is a thickness planer.  There is a combination 
thickness/edge planer in my area I should go see about.  It must weigh 1000 
lbs or better.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From avanti_64 at juno.com  Sun Oct  9 13:16:12 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:16:12 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
Message-ID: <20051009.131641.7275.71648@webmail16.lax.untd.com>

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  9 15:40:26 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:40:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
References: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c5cd22$ac80c6f0$230110ac@PAUL>

Great pictures Curt and thanks for taking the time to process them and post 
them. It was good to see so many of the gang again even if it was just in 
pictures,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005


> Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about
> everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe 
> Prindle
> handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show 
> and
> proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.
>
> Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree
>
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  9 16:34:59 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:34:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
In-Reply-To: <219.ae9deb0.30792a2e@aol.com>
References: <219.ae9deb0.30792a2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4349A923.5040705@earthlink.net>

Hi Tom,

Glad to know the term for the edge planer. Makes sense. The hit and miss 
Witte is running the thickness planer. I could have gone behind the 
ropes for better pictures, but I decided not to. They had enough people 
in there without a photog in the way of things.

Jeff
http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/SawmillShow/index.htm

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 10/7/2005 11:38:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>transteck at earthlink.net writes:
>
><< Pictures can't do justice to 
> the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. >>
>
>
>Jeff,
>
>What a great bunch of equipment sawmill, edge planer, tongue and groove 
>machine, shingle mill.  All you need is a thickness planer.  There is a combination 
>thickness/edge planer in my area I should go see about.  It must weigh 1000 
>lbs or better.
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From doug11k at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  9 16:53:02 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:53:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
Message-ID: <BAY103-F216C783944E86D29548FC0BD860@phx.gbl>

A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have tried 
Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for article 
reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help appreciated.

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  9 18:03:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:03:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9
	D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051009210211.04042498@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Curt, Thanks for the memories. See you at Baraboo next 
year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave
>Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about
>everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe 
>Prindle
>handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show and
>proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.
>
>Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree
>
>Sorry about no titles on pics as I missplaced my pic list.
>enjoy,
>Curt Andree



From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Oct  9 21:18:47 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:18:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
References: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>
	<000c01c5cc83$6709ba40$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <007701c5cd51$b6198ce0$841117d1@net.telenet.net>

Yep delete the cookies and temp files before running a spyware sweep.

Also if you have some of the lower priced bulk type software some of
those use things like that and when you delete them the software won't
work. Had that happen with a mahjongg program a long time ago.

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] spyware OT


> Delete your coockies before you run adaware....i think those repeats
will
> stop.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:44 PM
> Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
>
>
> >I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them
frequently.
> > Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of
> > problems:
> >
> >  vendor                 type         category
> > Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner
> >
> > I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on
when I
> > run
> > Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything
> > different.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va. USA
> > Germoamer at aol.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sun Oct  9 22:36:21 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
References: 183359918
Message-ID: <018801c5cd5c$8c3adb80$0301a8c0@Cam>

Nice pictures Curt, thanks for sharing. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005


> Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about
> everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe 
> Prindle
> handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show 
> and
> proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.
>
> Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree
>
> Sorry about no titles on pics as I missplaced my pic list.
> enjoy,
> Curt Andree
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct  9 23:31:08 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:31:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <014a01c5cd64$34ac54e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  



Hi Curt,
Thanks for sharing those pictures.  They're nice.

Couple questions.  What are these two engines?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947666/470947666FTcacs

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947622/470947622ZhHFov

Rob





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 10 02:34:24 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:34:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
Message-ID: <101020050934.6158.434A35A0000408140000180E21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Rob,
The sideshaft is not a vary common engine and knew someone would ask but as I 
mentioned lost my pic list right after show and am suffering from OMS....
Second engine request is a Starite, believe to be an early 5hp.  The owner 
just got it back together after fishing out of a river.
regards,
Curt


> 
> > Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Curt,
> Thanks for sharing those pictures.  They're nice.
> 
> Couple questions.  What are these two engines?
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947666/470947666FTcacs
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947622/470947622ZhHFov
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 04:00:13 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:13 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Public Surplus: Metal Shop
Message-ID: <88.30ed34d8.307ba3bd@aol.com>

Hi List,
Here are some interesting surplus machine tools on auctions  from California 
colleges.
 
_Click  here: Public Surplus: Metal Shop_ 
(http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=604)  < 
_http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=604_ 
(http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=604)   >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 04:34:54 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:34:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
Message-ID: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>

My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
have an idea??

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 05:00:36 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
Message-ID: <410-220051011012036406@earthlink.net>

Looks like a windhurst(sp) machine or at least similar to one that I
remember seeing many years ago when I was in junior high.

Tim Christoff


> From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>

> Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
>
> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
buy 
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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>
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Oct 10 05:12:43 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:12:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434A5ABB.5000203@comcast.net>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After 
> the purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village 
> trying to buy it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used 
> for. Does anybody have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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>
It looks like a "Van Der Graff" Generator,or (I forget) there's another 
type of generator (Different name)....very old, very rare find!

You crank it up to produce sparks.

It sure does look cool!

From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Oct 10 05:30:09 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:30:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434A5ED1.B22A27D2@insulate.co.uk>

Jim reckons it's something to do with static electricity.  Or a very early CD
burner.

Dolly

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 10 05:38:53 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:38:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051010123853.20692.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Luke

It looks like a modern Wimshurst Machine.  Turn the handle and static electricity is generated at
many thousands of volts.

They were originally made in the 19th century to demonstrate the effects of static electricity.
The ones I have seen before (at school) had 2 electrode handles/bars whereas this one appears to
have only one.

The physics teacher used to get the whole class in a line joining hands, the first and last boys
held onto one electrode each and he turned the handle.  Afer a few seconds the first boy was told
to release his grip on the electrode and there would be a loud 'crack' as the static jumped the
gap from electrode to the poor lad's hand as he let go and leapt about 4ft in the air with the
shock (surprise)!

This one seems to have some sort of keying device by the plastic bag.  Maybe that is so the spark
is generated between those contacts and not the human ones.  A modern anti-injury claim device?

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. 

> Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody have an idea??


		
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 05:43:03 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:43:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004901c5cd98$28a12660$57f5f504@x8h7l9>

Luke,

That is a Vandergraf Generator. It generates very high voltages to make
corona displays.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 05:43:44 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:43:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <009f01c5cd93$0f7e4ff0$daf60641@TOSHIBAGERALD>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2385BB9CB86C53FD982BDBC8790@phx.gbl>

Thanks for all the replys folks. It is identified by several of you as a 
wimshurst machine.  The SEL comes through again! Lots of material on the 
internet about them. Looks like a fun science project.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================

>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>
>
> > My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After 
>the
> > purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
>buy
> > it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> > have an idea??
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 10 06:16:07 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:16:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510100914380.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

It's a Wimshurst Generator with a couple of Lyden jars as collectors.
They're pretty neat gadgets!!  Lots of arcs & sparks!
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/demoweb/demomanual/electricity_and_magnetism/electrostatics/wimshurst_generator.html

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 06:59:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:59:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV10CD7017CB16518BBA2FE8BB790@phx.gbl>

   Howdy all;
Well Spudhead and I got back from the Miles City, Mt. auction late Saturday 
night.  Whew, what a bunch of tired engines at that place!  But we did 
manage to bring a small truck load back with us.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471837451WygCJu

and here's my pride and joy of that load..my first vertical (other than the 
Le Roi and Rollr :-))) and my first aircooled.

  It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO

and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have an 
oil pump?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO

  This is going to be a blast.

hope ya enjoy.

RickinMt.

P:S: Nice 7hp Gal Masterpiece with sub-base went for 1400.)) 


From marvhed at ecenet.com  Mon Oct 10 08:13:35 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:13:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV10CD7017CB16518BBA2FE8BB790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV10CD7017CB16518BBA2FE8BB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51244.199.62.0.252.1128957215.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

rick,
could i bother you for the pics please?

thanks, marv in minn


>    Howdy all;
> Well Spudhead and I got back from the Miles City, Mt. auction late
> Saturday
> night.  Whew, what a bunch of tired engines at that place!  But we did
> manage to bring a small truck load back with us.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471837451WygCJu
>
> and here's my pride and joy of that load..my first vertical (other than
> the
> Le Roi and Rollr :-))) and my first aircooled.
>
>   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO
>
> and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have an
> oil pump?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO
>
>   This is going to be a blast.
>
> hope ya enjoy.
>
> RickinMt.
>
> P:S: Nice 7hp Gal Masterpiece with sub-base went for 1400.))
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct 10 08:14:04 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:14:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
Message-ID: <20051010.111404.852.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

Nice find - 

YEP - - - Time for an addition to the shed.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Mon Oct 10 08:36:04 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <101020050934.6158.434A35A0000408140000180E21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>

Rob - Curt

They think that the sideshaft is an Alamo, but at the auction several
years ago, it was sold as an unknown.  They may have further identified it
since then.  There are some wild features on it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/55.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/56.jpg


The second engine is a LaCrosse. (built prior to StaRite). Currenly owned
by Randy Ackley.  He had purchsed it at the Baraboo Swapmeet from another
collector in running condition.  I don't konw where my pics are of it from
that day.

Steve

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Hi Rob,
The sideshaft is not a vary common engine and knew someone would ask but
as I  mentioned lost my pic list right after show and am suffering from
OMS....
Second engine request is a Starite, believe to be an early 5hp.  The owner
just got it back together after fishing out of a river.
regards,
Curt

Hi Curt,
Thanks for sharing those pictures.  They're nice.
 
Couple questions.  What are these two engines?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947666/470947666FTcacs

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947622/470947622ZhHFov

Rob



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Oct 10 09:48:18 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:48:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBIENMEGAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c5cdba$6b6ace20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Carlsen" <kd7bfn at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch


> 
> From: Rob Skinner
> 
> >I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and
> >never been completely satisfied.  The price is good,
> > quality is usually lacking.
> 
> That's been my experience too Rob.  We have a store just 7 or 8 miles
> away ... very tempting sometimes, but I generally look around and leave
> without making a purchase.   If I do purchase, it is something
> "expendable" that I can throw away and not feel too badly about making
> "another mistake."   I would never buy anything from HF that could cause
> damage to other property (like an engine) when it decides to snap in
> half!  (note, I said "when" NOT "if")
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 09:18:38 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:18:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>

Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who 
knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine

2 cycle

No valves, just ports..altho there seems to be some sort of rubber flapper 
gizmo, looking down the intake

Hot bulb

Single lunger

start with two horses and a "bar over"..damn and I just shot both my horses

BIG governor appears to adjust speed by increasing/decreasing length of 
injector pump stroke..I dunno

The hot bulb lamp is there

Water cooled

Average sized Madison-Kipp oiler

What did it burn? diesel, kero, and is this an "Oil Engine?"

Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"

Rick 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Oct 10 09:54:40 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:54:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e11fb25197885ff935378bd5dc7e1645@chartertn.net>

Looks like an electrostatic machine. Stores charge in two Leyden jars, 
looks like.

John

On Oct 10, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After 
> the purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village 
> trying to buy it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used 
> for. Does anybody have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 10 10:25:40 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 4 original engine/tractor ads to look at
In-Reply-To: <000701c5cc13$93e795c0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051010172540.90203.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com>

Rick,

What is the chance I could get a copy of the Edwards
add?

Jim

--- "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> I found a copy of The Rural New Yorker (newspaper)
> at a barn sale, and I've
> put several of the ads up on the web.
> 
> What I've scanned in so far:
> 
> -Witte engines
> "Now-only $14.24 down", "90 days FREE trial", with
> photo of the "all-fuel"
> engine (looks throttle gov to me) and also photo of
> ED. H. Witte, pres.
> Lists 7 "superior points" that make this "the best
> all-purpose engine built
> today"
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Witte1.jpg
> 
> -Edwards Farm Engine
> "Try this engine FREE", "No other engine like it",
> engraving of engine, and
> also drawing of A. Y. Edwards.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg
> 
> -Case steel-wheeled tractor
> "Collect Nature's Reward for Timely Work"
>  An awesome engraving showing a farmer working a
> field, pulling a small
> grain cutter(?), with house, barn, stormy sky and
> lightning.  This must have
> been an expensive ad, with that engraving work.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Case1.jpg
> 
> Rumely OilPull steel-wheeled tractor
> "Is your tractor big enough for its job?"  With
> engraving of a tractor and
> also a "Triple Heat Control" book, and a list of the
> "five big advantages"
> to owning a Rumely.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-AdvanceRumel
> y1.jpg
> 
> 
> -Rick I.
> All these links are also available from my main
> page:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


	
		
__________________________________ 
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
http://mail.yahoo.com


From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Oct 10 10:32:19 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:32:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200510101732.j9AHWT6F092617@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Luke, your uncle's friend "done good."  :-)  

As others have correctly answered, it is a Wimshurst device.  Van de Graff
generators operate on a similar principle, but the two are not the same.

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:35 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?

My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
have an idea??

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 10 10:25:38 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rick,

Have a peek at these...
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/muncie.oil.engine/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/
http://www.old-engine.com/ely.htm

And just remember as Dave sez, "They're still making wives, they ain't
making the olde iron."  Go for it; you need that engine!

BTW the one that's always at Portland is a sweet runner!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine

<snip>

> Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Oct 10 11:23:17 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:23:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <434AB195.3030900@scrtc.com>

Steve,

    That engine used to be owned (many years ago) by a guy in IN, about 
10 miles or so outside of Portland.  Brady Stiles acquired it from him 
and was sold in his auction.  I belive it may be a Parmaco or related to 
the Parmaco company in some way.  The first time I saw it was probably 
30 years ago.  I don't think anyone ever knew for sure what it was.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Rob - Curt
>
>They think that the sideshaft is an Alamo, but at the auction several
>years ago, it was sold as an unknown.  They may have further identified it
>since then.  There are some wild features on it.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/55.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/56.jpg
>
>  
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 10 11:30:34 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101425340.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

I had a lengthy chat with the owner of that unique engine.
The consensus was that the engine started out life as an Alamo.

But that some former owner decided to "experiment" and see if he could
devise the most complicated way to achieve a simple function.  Not to the
extent of creating a Rube Goldberg contraption, but just WAY more
complicated than was strictly necessary.

The end result is a real "head scratcher" of an engine.  I'm damn glad
that the owner brings it out.  Its a fun thing to watch.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Steve Barr wrote:

> They think that the sideshaft is an Alamo, but at the auction several
> years ago, it was sold as an unknown.  They may have further identified it
> since then.  There are some wild features on it.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/55.jpg



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 15:46:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:46:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1948F3F4364B53D7649484BB790@phx.gbl>

Thanks Arn...does anyone know who had the Muncie at Portland??

On second thot..I think she'd shoot me, so Dave's theory wouldn't werk here 
:-)

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Hi Rick,
>
> Have a peek at these...
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/muncie.oil.engine/
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/
> http://www.old-engine.com/ely.htm
>
> And just remember as Dave sez, "They're still making wives, they ain't
> making the olde iron."  Go for it; you need that engine!
>
> BTW the one that's always at Portland is a sweet runner!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> > knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
>
> <snip>
>
> > Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org  Mon Oct 10 16:29:20 2005
From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:29:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006d01c5cdf2$714d53c0$19b9869d@ibm22761389857>

Whimhurst machine for generating static electricity.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 07:34
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org  Mon Oct 10 16:41:44 2005
From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:41:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <017a01c5cdf4$2d08e880$19b9869d@ibm22761389857>

The Tri-State engine club in Portland has the Muncie that was at
the show. It has been there for a number of years.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:18
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
>
> 2 cycle
>
> No valves, just ports..altho there seems to be some sort of rubber flapper
> gizmo, looking down the intake
>
> Hot bulb
>
> Single lunger
>
> start with two horses and a "bar over"..damn and I just shot both my
horses
>
> BIG governor appears to adjust speed by increasing/decreasing length of
> injector pump stroke..I dunno
>
> The hot bulb lamp is there
>
> Water cooled
>
> Average sized Madison-Kipp oiler
>
> What did it burn? diesel, kero, and is this an "Oil Engine?"
>
> Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
>
> Rick
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Oct 10 16:54:32 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:54:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
Message-ID: <00f701c5cdf6$315a7d70$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
Peter Ogborne 
Little Grove ,Albany 
West Australia 
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 17:13:34 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:13:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT lathe manual in UK
Message-ID: <434B03AE.30607@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

If any of you in the UK with a Paypal account would be willing to help 
me purchase a manual, contact me off list. Costs me a fortune to call 
accross the pond, and the hours don't work well either.

Thanks,

Jeff Allen





From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 10 17:47:55 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:47:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: 185521833
Message-ID: <003f01c5cdfd$6b742180$0301a8c0@Cam>

I'm not getting any Peter. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
> Peter Ogborne 
> Little Grove ,Albany 
> West Australia 
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 18:33:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<017a01c5cdf4$2d08e880$19b9869d@ibm22761389857>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1546A899FBB3E58C8E2348BB780@phx.gbl>

ok thanks Bob//'preciate it.  Will get in touch with them

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blacksmith" <BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> The Tri-State engine club in Portland has the Muncie that was at
> the show. It has been there for a number of years.
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> WB8NQW
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:18
> Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
>
>
> > Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> > knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
> >
> > 2 cycle
> >
> > No valves, just ports..altho there seems to be some sort of rubber 
> > flapper
> > gizmo, looking down the intake
> >
> > Hot bulb
> >
> > Single lunger
> >
> > start with two horses and a "bar over"..damn and I just shot both my
> horses
> >
> > BIG governor appears to adjust speed by increasing/decreasing length of
> > injector pump stroke..I dunno
> >
> > The hot bulb lamp is there
> >
> > Water cooled
> >
> > Average sized Madison-Kipp oiler
> >
> > What did it burn? diesel, kero, and is this an "Oil Engine?"
> >
> > Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
> >
> > Rick
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 10 19:10:20 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:10:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
In-Reply-To: <003f01c5cdfd$6b742180$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <020c01c5ce08$f0290ed0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au] 

> I'm not getting any Peter.



I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Oct 10 19:44:20 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:44:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Old tractor videos
In-Reply-To: <200510101600.j9AG06JY031373@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200510101600.j9AG06JY031373@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051010224229.033f1c08@web1.nlenet.net>

I tripped over this web site. http://www.archive.org/details/movies I 
searched tractor and came up with this.
Farmer Miller Goes Into High Gear (Part I) - Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company
A farmer is convinced that his tractor will do more and better if it rolls 
on Goodyear tires rather than steel wheels. Includes scenes of tractor tire 
manufacturing.

I downloaded both parts and it was great. Lots of old tractors and 
incredible show of how the tires were made (Almost by hand)

Have a look and see if you can find other old iron videos in there.

http://www.archive.org/details/FarmerMi1920

Frank




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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 10 19:54:46 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:54:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: 152834291
Message-ID: <005401c5ce0f$23acb6c0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Rob you are pretty quick off the mark Mate. Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au] 
> 
>> I'm not getting any Peter.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.
> 
> 
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 20:04:26 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:04:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
Message-ID: <410-22005102113426218@earthlink.net>



>   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.

> and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have
an 
> oil pump?


It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines don't do
much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.  The
mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess is
you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.

Tim Christoff





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Oct 10 21:58:06 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:58:06 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: 152834291 <005401c5ce0f$23acb6c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <01ad01c5ce20$630e6410$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

One track mind!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Hey Rob you are pretty quick off the mark Mate. Cheers Cam.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:10 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
> 
> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au] 
>> 
>>> I'm not getting any Peter.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.
>> 
>> 
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 10 22:21:38 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:21:38 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
In-Reply-To: <00f701c5cdf6$315a7d70$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051011052138.29462.qmail@web25510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Who?!  They haven't reached Sunny Saudi (yet). 

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


--- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?



		
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 11 04:05:30 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:05:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered after 
attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation on 
one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After some 
more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear possible 
blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 00:39:05 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:39:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT lathe manual in UK
In-Reply-To: <434B03AE.30607@earthlink.net>
References: <434B03AE.30607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510110039i59b0fbe6m6f68d879bd596538@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> If any of you in the UK with a Paypal account would be willing to help
> me purchase a manual, contact me off list. Costs me a fortune to call
> accross the pond, and the hours don't work well either.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Allen
>

Give me s shout if you don't get any responses, Jeff.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Oct 11 04:28:23 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:28:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: <20051011052138.29462.qmail@web25510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c5ce56$e82eaed0$999181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I hope it does not get to you David ....Dave Croft and I are getting bloody 
thousands of emails from these bastards
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Who?!  They haven't reached Sunny Saudi (yet).
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
>
>
> --- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
>
>
>
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Oct 11 05:10:14 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:10:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
References: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <018701c5ce5c$bc5b72b0$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day Curt
i think it will  be fine after a bit of running the grove will fill with 
carbon and seal up i have a few engines with same problem it does not worry 
them
brock
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes


> Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered 
> after
> attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
> on
> one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
> some
> more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
> possible
> blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct 11 05:17:41 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:17:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c5ce20$630e6410$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: 152834291 <005401c5ce0f$23acb6c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<01ad01c5ce20$630e6410$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4532.165.206.180.102.1129033061.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

And it's always derailed.......


Bill


> One track mind!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
>
>
>> Hey Rob you are pretty quick off the mark Mate. Cheers Cam.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au]
>>>
>>>> I'm not getting any Peter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.
>>>
>>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Oct 11 05:48:45 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 8:48:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <48u2fu$1ctajf9@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>


Curt, I wouldn't try to hone it out, you're removing too much metal from the good area above. Most of your compression will come from above the wrist pin groove, there is little compression until the piston nears the top. I've heard of good results filling with JB Weld. 
J.B. Castagnos


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 05:52:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:52:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
References: <410-22005102113426218@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV11BC8B24F01A98357FDE10BB780@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the carb 
is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base. 
Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic 
Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all the 
vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me 
one!! for a decent price.

  Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few 
pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!

  Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e. Ford 
coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it be 
kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the porcelain.

  And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think 
about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't like 
it.

Ya'll have a nice day
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)


>
>
> >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
>
> > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have
> an
> > oil pump?
>
>
> It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines don't 
> do
> much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time. 
> The
> mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess is
> you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct 11 05:59:36 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
In-Reply-To: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@
	mchsi.com>
References: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4583.165.206.180.102.1129035576.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

You should be able to go up to .010 (ten over) without issues. At least
you can in the automotive world. The rings will still break-in and seal.
As important as anything is the finish you give the cylinder wall.

Want some interesting reading?

Go visit:
http://kb-silvolite.com/feature.php?action=read&F_id=40

(I'm using KB's hyper 28cc stepdish pistons in my Javy.)

Bill

> Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered
> after
> attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation
> on
> one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After
> some
> more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear
> possible
> blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 06:24:31 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:24:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV11BC8B24F01A98357FDE10BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick,

Here are a few pics of one I used to own. Not the greatest.......

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/newway/newway.html

I wouldn't lift it from the spark plug hole. I don't like the idea either.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=========================

>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>
>   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
>pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
>
>  whatcha all think
>about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't like
>it.
>
>Ya'll have a nice day
>RickinMt.




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 06:27:37 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:27:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old tractor videos
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051010224229.033f1c08@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F105F7F74313882B3F6BB9EC8780@phx.gbl>

Hi Frank,

I watched part one and part two. Pretty neat. I really enjoyed seeing how 
they made the tires. Thanks for sending the link along.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
======================

>From: Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
>
>I tripped over this web site. http://www.archive.org/details/movies I 
>searched tractor and came up with this.
>Farmer Miller Goes Into High Gear (Part I) - Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company
>A farmer is convinced that his tractor will do more and better if it rolls 
>on Goodyear tires rather than steel wheels. Includes scenes of tractor tire 
>manufacturing.
>
>I downloaded both parts and it was great. Lots of old tractors and 
>incredible show of how the tires were made (Almost by hand)
>
>Have a look and see if you can find other old iron videos in there.
>
>http://www.archive.org/details/FarmerMi1920
>
>Frank
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 07:02:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:02:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test for Dave Croft
Message-ID: <6f6025160510110702n582a60do5e9c2d9a3dcdaa3f@mail.gmail.com>

Ignore please, this is for Dave Croft through the SEL

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 11 07:13:08 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:13:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101120051413.26019.434BC8740004AFE6000065A321979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Bill for the website and help.
Curt


> You should be able to go up to .010 (ten over) without issues. At least
> you can in the automotive world. The rings will still break-in and seal.
> As important as anything is the finish you give the cylinder wall.
> 
> Want some interesting reading?
> 
> Go visit:
> http://kb-silvolite.com/feature.php?action=read&F_id=40
> 
> (I'm using KB's hyper 28cc stepdish pistons in my Javy.)
> 
> Bill
> 
> > Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered
> > after
> > attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation
> > on
> > one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After
> > some
> > more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear
> > possible
> > blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> > thankyou in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 07:09:05 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:09:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>

Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does it 
blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for miles 
around.

  Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not 
mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure 
overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.

  So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's known 
as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an external 
hot bulb must be used...am I correct?

Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot.  I'm 
pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up today. 
He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several times: 
"Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume 
it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the 
flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!

Well enuf fer now..

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Hi Rick,
>
> Have a peek at these...
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/muncie.oil.engine/
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/
> http://www.old-engine.com/ely.htm
>
> And just remember as Dave sez, "They're still making wives, they ain't
> making the olde iron."  Go for it; you need that engine!
>
> BTW the one that's always at Portland is a sweet runner!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> > knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
>
> <snip>
>
> > Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 11 07:20:38 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:20:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101120051420.4007.434BCA36000476DB00000FA721979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Brock was hoping that was the issue.
Curt


> G,day Curt
> i think it will  be fine after a bit of running the grove will fill with 
> carbon and seal up i have a few engines with same problem it does not worry 
> them
> brock
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:05 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
> 
> 
> > Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered 
> > after
> > attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
> > on
> > one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
> > some
> > more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
> > possible
> > blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> > thankyou in advance,
> > Curt Andree
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> > 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 07:25:06 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:25:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>

Thank you Luke!!! Once again the SEL shines big time.  It is very similiar 
to mine.  So the mixer looks very basic with what looks like a choke lever 
and must be a needle valve in there somewhere.

  Yours has the spark saver in the same place and gov mechansim looks the 
same.  Will study the pix's again.

You Da Man
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick,
>
> Here are a few pics of one I used to own. Not the greatest.......
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/newway/newway.html
>
> I wouldn't lift it from the spark plug hole. I don't like the idea either.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> =========================
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >
> >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> >pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> >
> >  whatcha all think
> >about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't 
> >like
> >it.
> >
> >Ya'll have a nice day
> >RickinMt.
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 08:19:40 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:19:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does it
> blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for miles
> around.
>
>   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
>
>   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's known
> as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an external
> hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
>
> Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot.  I'm
> pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up today.
> He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several times:
> "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
>
> Well enuf fer now..
>
> Rick

Rick:

We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
isn't hand-start!

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Oct 11 08:43:12 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:43:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a 
> lifetime shot.  I'm pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota 
> pickup which I'm cleaning up today. 
> He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the 
>statement several times: 
> "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm 
> going to assume it's stuck as he has nothing covering 
> the intake and the bottom of the flywheels are in the 
>dirt...aaarghhh!!!

Rick,
The tone of your prose conveys both enthusiasm and apprehension.  

The wise and noble American Indians had a saying that might help you in reaching
a decision, "As you walk along the path of life, you will come across a great
chasm;  jump, it as not as far as you think."  In your case, they would say that
"the engine is not as large as you think."  

Besides, we all know you're a Montana land baron.  That Muncie could get lost on
that spread of yours.  

And the lovely and patient Mrs. S.?  She won't dump you.  She'll still need
someone to get the flour off the top shelf and to open a pickle jars.  

Rob




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 09:17:30 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:17:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>

   Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and 
shot around 20 pix's

If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while to 
digest them.

Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan assy. 
The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but 
it's a 4 1/2.

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom

Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I don't 
like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?

Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.

"headed fer the shed"
RickinMt.


 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 09:27:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:27:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>

Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange 
piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link 
shows that.
  Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one 
cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.

nice pix
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does 
> > it
> > blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for 
> > miles
> > around.
> >
> >   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> > mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> > overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
> >
> >   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's 
> > known
> > as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an 
> > external
> > hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
> >
> > Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot. 
> > I'm
> > pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up 
> > today.
> > He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several 
> > times:
> > "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> > it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> > flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
> >
> > Well enuf fer now..
> >
> > Rick
>
> Rick:
>
> We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
> years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
> two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
> isn't hand-start!
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 11 09:29:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510111227450.68745@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rick,

Can't help you with the Muncie; I've seen the one at Portland running but
I've not seen it started.  You NEED to go to Portland 2006 for some
first-hand research!

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 09:41:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:41:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>

Thanks Rob  ROTFLMAO  And I do do, a lot of reaching for her :-))

  But I'm supposed to be buying a snowplow.  As we speak I'm writing a 
letter to the owner...catcha later and I like the way you think!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Muncie engine


>
> > Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a
> > lifetime shot.  I'm pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota
> > pickup which I'm cleaning up today.
> > He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the
> >statement several times:
> > "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm
> > going to assume it's stuck as he has nothing covering
> > the intake and the bottom of the flywheels are in the
> >dirt...aaarghhh!!!
>
> Rick,
> The tone of your prose conveys both enthusiasm and apprehension.
>
> The wise and noble American Indians had a saying that might help you in 
> reaching
> a decision, "As you walk along the path of life, you will come across a 
> great
> chasm;  jump, it as not as far as you think."  In your case, they would 
> say that
> "the engine is not as large as you think."
>
> Besides, we all know you're a Montana land baron.  That Muncie could get 
> lost on
> that spread of yours.
>
> And the lovely and patient Mrs. S.?  She won't dump you.  She'll still 
> need
> someone to get the flour off the top shelf and to open a pickle jars.
>
> Rob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 10 16:17:18 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:17:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <002f01c5cdf0$c36b6e50$a09afea9@no1>

I posted 21 hours ago & haven't seen it yet!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 11 06:40:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:40:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <006b01c5ce69$5bc43380$a09afea9@no1>

I am not getting any posts though to the list!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 11 07:57:03 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:57:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001501c5ce74$0d8c3db0$a09afea9@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
> have an idea??
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger

Hi Luke, It is a Wimshurst machine.
I have one near me as I write.
See http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wimshurst.html
Yours doesn't seem to have the metal foil segments on the disc's!
You can see mine on my Webshots page.
See http://community.webshots.com/album/17467711QgNjoxctQL
PS I have been trying to send this for a couple of days. I hope it works this time!

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 11:01:26 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:01:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F306ECF98452EF757EADB2BC8780@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick,

Picture #9 of the crankcase fitting....   Is it a drain plug or a fitting to 
drain off excess oil?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================

>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>
>The album title says 4 hp but
>it's a 4 1/2.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
>
>
>"headed fer the shed"
>RickinMt.




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 11:25:07 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:25:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <8c.313cdca6.307d5d83@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/2005 2:15:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< I am not getting any posts though to the list! >>


Dave,

This one came thru ok, 2:15 pm EDT.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org  Tue Oct 11 11:29:01 2005
From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:29:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c5ce91$a770e260$4abe869d@ibm22761389857>

    They use air start and it is a hot bulb ignition. A torch
heats the bulb before starting and it stays hot enough
while running. The governor is linkage is very interesting.
It is maually barred over to past TDC for the air.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:19
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does
it
> blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for miles
> around.
>
>   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
>
>   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's
known
> as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an
external
> hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
>
> Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot.  I'm
> pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up
today.
> He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several
times:
> "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
>
> Well enuf fer now..
>
> Rick

Rick:

We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
isn't hand-start!

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Oct 11 11:31:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:31:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine / OT snowplow
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434C04E7.7070809@imc-group.com>

Rick, Rick, Rick,
Perhaps a creative approach to engine acquisition for this big Muncie. 
Put it on wheels and temporarily bolt a couple of sheets of plywood to 
one end. Add a hitch and push it around with the tractor for a hell of a 
snow plow. "Voila, two fer one. Wot a deal. :-)
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Thanks Rob  ROTFLMAO  And I do do, a lot of reaching for her :-))
>
>  But I'm supposed to be buying a snowplow.  As we speak I'm writing a 
>letter to the owner...catcha later and I like the way you think!
>Rick
>
>  
>



From nick at holden1.net  Tue Oct 11 11:45:10 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:45:10 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <006b01c5ce69$5bc43380$a09afea9@no1>
Message-ID: <434C0836.000001.08088@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi dave just got it hear 
at 19.44 on 11/10/05
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Dave Croft
Date: 10/11/05 19:07:30
To: atis
Subject: [SEL] Test
 
I am not getting any posts though to the list!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Oct 11 10:35:51 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:35:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ce8a$3d4afb20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick, see how it looks when someone made a New Way engine
model. A friend of our club did.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/newwaymodelengine.htm

Enjoy the details,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan assy. 
> The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but 
> it's a 4 1/2.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> 
> "headed fer the shed"
> RickinMt.




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:02:53 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:02:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
In-Reply-To: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F4170004BA6A9C29D0856395780@phx.gbl>

Hi Curt, I wouldn't do too much honing, around here wrist pin scores are 
usually filled with JB weld and worked down with an old piston ring.  It 
really works!! Steve


>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
>Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:05:30 +0000
>
>Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered after
>attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
>on
>one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
>some
>more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
>possible
>blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:06:11 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:06:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV11BC8B24F01A98357FDE10BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1102A6336DFBBCC3A9D6F495780@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick I'll send pics of my new way mixer, I think you could easily make 
one.  as for the new way spark plug, it might cost what your engine did!  
Steve


>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
>Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:52:34 -0600
>
>Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the carb
>is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base.
>Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic
>Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all the
>vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me
>one!! for a decent price.
>
>   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
>pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
>
>   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e. Ford
>coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it 
>be
>kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the porcelain.
>
>   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think
>about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't like
>it.
>
>Ya'll have a nice day
>RickinMt.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
>Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
>
>
> >
> >
> > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> >
> > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby 
>have
> > an
> > > oil pump?
> >
> >
> > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines don't
> > do
> > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.
> > The
> > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess 
>is
> > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> >
> >
> >
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:23:54 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:23:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange
> piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> shows that.
>   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one
> cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.
>
> nice pix
> Rick
>

If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
the top of the block towards the head.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:30:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:30:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange
> > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> > shows that.
> >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one
> > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.
> >
> > nice pix
> > Rick
> >
>
> If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> the top of the block towards the head.

Better still:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00044.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00047.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00067.jpg

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:39:17 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:39:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510111539tdab16b6o11bc5a1b2582342e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange
> > > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> > > shows that.
> > >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one
> > > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.
> > >
> > > nice pix
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
> > If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> > as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> > the top of the block towards the head.
>
> Better still:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00044.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00047.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00067.jpg
>
> Peter
>
There is another Muncie as well:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00045.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00046.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00066.jpg

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 15:44:00 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:44:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510111227450.68745@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV150D17A9D7E316B023F5DABB780@phx.gbl>

Arn..I was thinking the same thing earlier this morning..Maybe I should get 
it to it's new home first :-)

BUT I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Hi Rick,
>
> Can't help you with the Muncie; I've seen the one at Portland running but
> I've not seen it started.  You NEED to go to Portland 2006 for some
> first-hand research!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 15:49:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:49:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F306ECF98452EF757EADB2BC8780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1433F332FCA872A0A936F9BB780@phx.gbl>

I don't know Luke.solly..check back with the Hollands and me in about 6 
months or so...:-)  And that's if I ever get it apart.  But with the propane 
torch I did manage to get the fan off and a few more fittings.

HEAT RULES!!!

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick,
>
> Picture #9 of the crankcase fitting....   Is it a drain plug or a fitting 
> to
> drain off excess oil?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> =======================
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >
> >The album title says 4 hp but
> >it's a 4 1/2.
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> >
> >"headed fer the shed"
> >RickinMt.
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 15:55:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:55:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine / OT snowplow
References: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer><BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>
	<434C04E7.7070809@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV194F9D3B9B9B8DF1AE48D2BB780@phx.gbl>

I'm a gonna need a BIGGER truck Curt!!!!

BILTWYT

Rick


> Rick, Rick, Rick,
> Perhaps a creative approach to engine acquisition for this big Muncie. 
> Put it on wheels and temporarily bolt a couple of sheets of plywood to 
> one end. Add a hitch and push it around with the tractor for a hell of a 
> snow plow. "Voila, two fer one. Wot a deal. :-)
> Curt


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 16:06:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:06:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c5ce91$a770e260$4abe869d@ibm22761389857>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV176D5F3FC63EF30EAF8925BB780@phx.gbl>

Ok Thanks Bob..yes the gov assy. is very interesting to say the least...all 
we could figure out is that it changes the stroke of the injector 
pump...thusly adjusting the amount of injection..which must control RPM.

  Jeez..it must be able to throw some AIR into the cylinder after TDC..will 
keep that in mind

It don't get no better than this!!!!
Rick



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blacksmith" <BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


>     They use air start and it is a hot bulb ignition. A torch
> heats the bulb before starting and it stays hot enough
> while running. The governor is linkage is very interesting.
> It is maually barred over to past TDC for the air.
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> WB8NQW
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:19
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine
>
>
> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does
> it
> > blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for 
> > miles
> > around.
> >
> >   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> > mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> > overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
> >
> >   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's
> known
> > as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an
> external
> > hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
> >
> > Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot. 
> > I'm
> > pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up
> today.
> > He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several
> times:
> > "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> > it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> > flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
> >
> > Well enuf fer now..
> >
> > Rick
>
> Rick:
>
> We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
> years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
> two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
> isn't hand-start!
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 16:20:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:20:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV89D381BCABFA4FD2E1E24BB780@phx.gbl>

Peter I got all the time in the world and winter is coming fast.  "hit me 
with your best shot"

Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com

Thanks much




















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some 
> > strange
> > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> > shows that.
> >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just 
> > one
> > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find 
> > out.
> >
> > nice pix
> > Rick
> >
>
> If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> the top of the block towards the head.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 16:23:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:23:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY108-F1102A6336DFBBCC3A9D6F495780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV37C32CA67BBDC20F3469FBB780@phx.gbl>

Well thanks in anticipation Steve.  Will let the plug go for another 
day..ha, ha.

Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick I'll send pics of my new way mixer, I think you could easily make
> one.  as for the new way spark plug, it might cost what your engine did!
> Steve
>
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
> >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:52:34 -0600
> >
> >Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the 
> >carb
> >is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base.
> >Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic
> >Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all 
> >the
> >vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me
> >one!! for a decent price.
> >
> >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> >pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> >
> >   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e. 
> > Ford
> >coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it
> >be
> >kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the 
> >porcelain.
> >
> >   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think
> >about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't 
> >like
> >it.
> >
> >Ya'll have a nice day
> >RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
> >Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> > >
> > > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby
> >have
> > > an
> > > > oil pump?
> > >
> > >
> > > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines 
> > > don't
> > > do
> > > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.
> > > The
> > > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My 
> > > guess
> >is
> > > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> > >
> > > Tim Christoff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 17:21:59 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:21:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
Message-ID: <410-220051031202159812@earthlink.net>

Rick

I do have a 4  1/2 upright in my stable of New Way's so I can get you any
pic you would need.  BTW, New Way's did not use a spark saver, do NOT pick
it up by the spark plug hole, DON'T under any circumstances try and push
the piston futher down the cylinder to unstick it.  If the piston is ever
to end up at the top of the cylinder and the top ring is not stuck, it will
spread out in a hollow spot in the casting and you will have one very big
paper weight.

Tim Christoff.


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/11/2005 7:52:39 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
>
> Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the
carb 
> is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base. 
> Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic 
> Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all
the 
> vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me 
> one!! for a decent price.
>
>   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few 
> pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
>
>   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e.
Ford 
> coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it
be 
> kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the
porcelain.
>
>   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think 
> about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't
like 
> it.
>
> Ya'll have a nice day
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
>
>
> >
> >
> > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> >
> > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby
have
> > an
> > > oil pump?
> >
> >
> > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines
don't 
> > do
> > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time. 
> > The
> > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess
is
> > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> >
> >
> >
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 11 17:36:32 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:36:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010801c5cec5$02a1bb40$210110ac@service>

Hi Rick,
these mixers have no needle valve, they just use the choke disc to adjust
mixture, i am currently trying to fabricate one out of pipe fittings. I did
ask a foundry about casting one, but they said because of design the cost
would be prohibitive.
Cheers, Chester from West Aussie.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Thank you Luke!!! Once again the SEL shines big time.  It is very similiar
> to mine.  So the mixer looks very basic with what looks like a choke lever
> and must be a needle valve in there somewhere.
>
>   Yours has the spark saver in the same place and gov mechansim looks the
> same.  Will study the pix's again.
>
> You Da Man
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > Here are a few pics of one I used to own. Not the greatest.......
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/newway/newway.html
> >
> > I wouldn't lift it from the spark plug hole. I don't like the idea
either.
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> > =========================
> >
> > >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > >
> > >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> > >pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> > >
> > >  whatcha all think
> > >about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't
> > >like
> > >it.
> > >
> > >Ya'll have a nice day
> > >RickinMt.
> >
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 18:13:48 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:13:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<010801c5cec5$02a1bb40$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12B97727E8BC754D6D7A13BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Well isn't that interesting and would be a first for me..thanks Chester

Rick



> Hi Rick,
> these mixers have no needle valve, they just use the choke disc to adjust
> mixture, i am currently trying to fabricate one out of pipe fittings. I 
> did
> ask a foundry about casting one, but they said because of design the cost
> would be prohibitive.
> Cheers, Chester from West Aussie. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 19:42:39 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:42:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a 
good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RickinMt. 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 11 21:19:26 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:19:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>

Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a great
help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
fabricating job,
Cheers Chester from West Aussie.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


>    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and
> shot around 20 pix's
>
> If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while to
> digest them.
>
> Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
assy.
> The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but
> it's a 4 1/2.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
>
> Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
don't
> like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
>
> Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
>
> "headed fer the shed"
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
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From doug11k at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 21:20:19 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:20:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F216C783944E86D29548FC0BD860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F4E74ACC2685ED37C116A2BD7B0@phx.gbl>

Not many replies on this one. This engine is ignitor fired 4" bore, 8" 
stroke, single flywheel 29" diameter. Anyone know anything about this 
model??


>From: "Douglas Kimball" <doug11k at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:53:02 -0400
>
>A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have tried 
>Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for article 
>reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help appreciated.
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Oct 12 02:58:16 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:58:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Problem
Message-ID: <006d01c5cf13$77c20760$0301a8c0@Cam>


----- Original Message ----- 
Hi List, Kerry Morris has asked me to send this to SEL for him. Cam

To: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:22 PM
Subject: SEL Problem


> G'Day All
>
> Can anyone help as to why it takes up to 48hrs for my posts to the SEL to
> turn up.
> This is a copy of message I get everytime I post to SEL only, Slick and 
> ORG
> seems OK
>
>
> Thanks
> Kerry Morris
>
>
> **********************************************
>    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
>    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
>    **********************************************
>
> The original message was received at Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:03 +1000
> from mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.200]
>
>   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to 001c-a.mx.mail-abuse.com.:
>>>> RCPT To:<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> <<< 450 Service temporarily unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] 
> Please
> try again later.
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>... Deferred: 450 Service temporarily
> unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] Please try again later.
> Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
> Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
>
>
>
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> 




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Oct 12 03:16:49 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:16:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
References: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434CE291.4AA1C0FB@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Rick

Reg is in the UK right now.  He and Marg were staying with us at the
weekend, and we got together with Peter and Rita Forbes on Saturday for
a meal.  Had a phone message from him yesterday to say he was having  a
wonderful birthday (70) and he'll be back in touch with everyone when he
gets home, which will be at the end of next week.

Dolly

Richard Strobel wrote:

> Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a
> good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Oct 12 03:20:25 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:20:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Trouble
Message-ID: <009801c5cf16$8fc5eb30$0301a8c0@Cam>

G'Day All

Can anyone help as to why it takes up to 48hrs for my posts to the SEL to
turn up.
This is a copy of message I get everytime I post to SEL only, Slick and ORG
seems OK


Thanks
Kerry Morris


 **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:03 +1000
from mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.200]

   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to 001c-a.mx.mail-abuse.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
<<< 450 Service temporarily unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] Please
try again later.
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>... Deferred: 450 Service temporarily
unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] Please try again later.
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 12 04:31:17 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:31:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101220051131.22884.434CF40500003F7F0000596421979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yup Steve as I copy your msg the JB weld is setting up out in my shop, may 
give it an extra day to insure hardning before surface sanding then once more 
with the honing to make her level.  Thanks and will keep all updated.
Curt


> Hi Curt, I wouldn't do too much honing, around here wrist pin scores are 
> usually filled with JB weld and worked down with an old piston ring.  It 
> really works!! Steve
> 
> 
> >From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
> >Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
> >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:05:30 +0000
> >
> >Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered after
> >attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
> >on
> >one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
> >some
> >more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
> >possible
> >blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 04:37:19 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:37:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1778D116DFBD9E9017BB57BB7B0@phx.gbl>

I certainly will Chester.  I removed, and disassembled it yesterday.  The 
fan hub is cast iron, and I'm very lucky it is still in one piece.  I'm 
trying to get the outer ring somewhat straight, er round, so I can get a 
fairly good measurement on the circumference.  It has 8 blades and each 
blade has two rivets that hold it to the hub.  The ring ends are held 
together with two rivets.

  I'm thinking now the fan shaft is lubed by crankcase blowby..but that's 
just a swag...and it was mentioned that didn't work to good anyway.

  Please remind me if I forget

Regards
RickInMt.



> Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a 
> great
> help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
> how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> fabricating job,
> Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 04:47:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:47:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
References: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<434CE291.4AA1C0FB@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3143F9DF43B15EC925682BB7B0@phx.gbl>

That's right..I knew he was gone..but crs hit..thanks Helen

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] down under B'day


> Hi Rick
> 
> Reg is in the UK right now.  He and Marg were staying with us at the
> weekend, and we got together with Peter and Rita Forbes on Saturday for
> a meal.  Had a phone message from him yesterday to say he was having  a
> wonderful birthday (70) and he'll be back in touch with everyone when he
> gets home, which will be at the end of next week.
> 
> Dolly
> 
> Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> > Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a
> > good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 05:02:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:02:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><010801c5cec5$02a1bb40$210110ac@service>
	<BAY5-DAV12B97727E8BC754D6D7A13BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV167B5F79FD303A1CC74520BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Well thanks fer the cool thread gang!! Steve Royster has sent me a picture 
of the mixer and I've posted it on my Webshots..thanks again Steve.  For now 
I'm just trying to get it unstuck..disassembly will come later this 
winter...but it does have a magnetic pull to it. ha, ha.

   John H.  The model is just mind bogggllingggg.  Words do no exist as to 
how I feel about these perfectionists....WHEW is about the best I can do 
<vbg>

  Sincerely
RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 05:07:05 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:07:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
References: <410-220051031202159812@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2EBF97DC7C3DDF41ED3D0BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tim..what I'm looking at must just be the ignition contact(s)  and a 
piston stop will go in as soon as it's unstuck..rod cap will stay on.

later,
Rick



> Rick
>
> I do have a 4  1/2 upright in my stable of New Way's so I can get you any
> pic you would need.  BTW, New Way's did not use a spark saver, do NOT pick
> it up by the spark plug hole, DON'T under any circumstances try and push
> the piston futher down the cylinder to unstick it.  If the piston is ever
> to end up at the top of the cylinder and the top ring is not stuck, it 
> will
> spread out in a hollow spot in the casting and you will have one very big
> paper weight.
>
> Tim Christoff. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 05:27:21 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:27:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>

All I can say is "WOW, MOM, WOW" Peter.  The one pix is now my 
wallpaper...ya know so the BOSS gets used to seeing it :-)

  The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that I 
don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."

  Well I'll keep this short as I could go on for ever and ever.

Thanks for taking the time Peter on the pix's..super quality and show's they 
are twin brothers.

Sincerely
RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some 
> > > strange
> > > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your 
> > > link
> > > shows that.
> > >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with 
> > > just one
> > > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to 
> > > find out.
> > >
> > > nice pix
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
> > If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> > as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> > the top of the block towards the head.
>
> Better still:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00044.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00047.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00067.jpg
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 11:50:20 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:50:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> All I can say is "WOW, MOM, WOW" Peter.  The one pix is now my
> wallpaper...ya know so the BOSS gets used to seeing it :-)
>
>   The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that I
> don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."
>
>   Well I'll keep this short as I could go on for ever and ever.
>
> Thanks for taking the time Peter on the pix's..super quality and show's they
> are twin brothers.
>
> Sincerely
> RickinMt.
>

Glad to have been of help, Rick, look forward to seeing the new
arrival, OR, better still maybe one day we'll pop over and have a look
in person! :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 10 23:18:10 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:18:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: <00f701c5cdf6$315a7d70$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000401c5ce2b$8f12b290$a09afea9@no1>

Hi peter,I have rung the man several times yesterday. After sending the message about the address change to all his customers
it seems that one of them has a virus & is sending the messages to us all.
He has both his computers disconected at the moment so the calls are coming from somewhere else.
PS he has our addresses as he is an engine man.
I will contact my ISP in 45 Minuits when they open.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
> Peter Ogborne 
> Little Grove ,Albany 
> West Australia 
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 12 02:09:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:09:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
References: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c5cf0c$a9ec9ae0$a09afea9@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day


> Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a 
> good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> RickinMt. 

Hi Richard, he isn't down under at the moment.
He is having a spell standing the right way up in 
England for a while.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From cjclem at sysim.net  Wed Oct 12 16:12:18 2005
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:12:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
Message-ID: <1129158738.434d98527bedd@webmail.sysim.net>

Anyone watching baseball playoffs or when Honda auto runs ad with gas 
pump dial counting down.   The sound appears to be of hit & miss engine 
in background.




From sleis at mwt.net  Wed Oct 12 19:04:18 2005
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:04:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
References: <1129158738.434d98527bedd@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <001301c5cf9a$6d7aba40$0755becf@computer>

Hi John

      I have seen that commercial too and I thought it was a hit & miss
engine too :-)

                                                      Stacy



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 17:56:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>

There ya go Peter.. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO THE STROBEL shack in The Big 
Sky!!!

Ouch..damn it Kathy..that hurt!!

Jus kiddin'..she's a good ole construction brat and is at the watering hole 
as I type


RickinMt


>
> Glad to have been of help, Rick, look forward to seeing the new
> arrival, OR, better still maybe one day we'll pop over and have a look
> in person! :-))
>
> Peter 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Oct 12 18:31:59 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:31:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
In-Reply-To: <001301c5cf9a$6d7aba40$0755becf@computer>
References: <1129158738.434d98527bedd@webmail.sysim.net>
	<001301c5cf9a$6d7aba40$0755becf@computer>
Message-ID: <7bda669689356df977162f34e9dee6d3@chartertn.net>

So, did Honda ever build H&M engines?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 12 19:17:43 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:17:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
In-Reply-To: <7bda669689356df977162f34e9dee6d3@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c5cf9c$4cf85c80$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> So, did Honda ever build H&M engines?

http://patricks.home.texas.net/bikes/HondaHistory.htm





From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Oct 11 09:48:23 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:48:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051011124721.03f3cd20@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:17 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote:
>    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))
>RickinMt.

Good lord, even I'm not going to touch that one!
         Dave 



From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 12 20:14:29 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:14:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran across
these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique Power
Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 3
rightmost pix at:
http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this Stover
flywheel!
http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html

-Rick I.






From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 12 21:12:24 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:12:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
In-Reply-To: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
References: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <434DDEA8.10004@earthlink.net>

I still ain't figured Rick S's picture. Still looks like the blade is 
going through the I-beam. Folks from Montana can be a bit strange 
though. I should no cause I'm from there. :-) Nice to know someone looks 
at my clubs photos Rick I.

Jeff Allen
http://frapa.us/



Rick I. wrote:

>Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran across
>these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique Power
>Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 3
>rightmost pix at:
>http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
>The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this Stover
>flywheel!
>http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html
>
>-Rick I.
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 12 21:15:38 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:15:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051011124721.03f3cd20@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051011124721.03f3cd20@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <434DDF6A.6050106@earthlink.net>

Come on Dave!! Wouldn't you prefer it that way?

Jeff

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> At 12:17 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote:
>
>>    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))
>> RickinMt.
>
>
> Good lord, even I'm not going to touch that one!
>         Dave
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 22:41:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:41:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510122241k38bf3a57x62ec99dbd787e4de@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/13/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> There ya go Peter.. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO THE STROBEL shack in The Big
> Sky!!!
>
> Ouch..damn it Kathy..that hurt!!
>
> Jus kiddin'..she's a good ole construction brat and is at the watering hole
> as I type
>
>
> RickinMt
>
>

Where exactly in Montana are you located?  I had a quick look at the
maps yesterday, but could use a location to see where you're at....

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 11 13:17:33 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:17:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <8c.313cdca6.307d5d83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c5cea0$d1b20040$a09afea9@no1>

Thanks Guys, The later posts finaly made it but the earlier one seem to have disapeared.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Test


> In a message dated 10/11/2005 2:15:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
> 
> << I am not getting any posts though to the list! >>
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> This one came thru ok, 2:15 pm EDT.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 13 04:18:41 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:18:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test please ignore
Message-ID: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>

12:18
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Oct 13 05:09:39 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:09:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bulletin boards down
Message-ID: <200510130809390953.0C15078D@heavyiron.atis.net>

Due to a very concerted set of SPAM attacks that are bringing the ATIS
server down to its knees, ATIS bulletin boards will be down until further
notice.

Sorry about that, but these attacks were, for all intents and purposes,
locking the machine up.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 10 05:18:44 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c5cd94$c3792ec0$a09afea9@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
> have an idea??
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA

Hi Luke, It is a Wimshurst machine.
I have one near me as I write.
See http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wimshurst.html
Yours doesn't seem to have the metal foil segments on the disc's!
You can see mine on my Webshots page.
See http://community.webshots.com/album/17467711QgNjoxctQL
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 13 03:28:23 2005
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5cf9c$4cf85c80$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051013102824.38508.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

That commercial was here in the Tidewater area of Virginia quite awhile ago. They used the sound of the hit and miss engine to represent the noise of an old gas pump dial ticking over the gallons and dollars. I guess they were illustrating that the Honda would save you gas and money.
   Dave.

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> So, did Honda ever build H&M engines?

http://patricks.home.texas.net/bikes/HondaHistory.htm



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 05:50:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:50:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV36707F3CD07309C0B807DBB7A0@phx.gbl>

That is pretty kewl
Thanx
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran 
> across
> these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique 
> Power
> Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 3
> rightmost pix at:
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
> The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this Stover
> flywheel!
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html
>
> -Rick I.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 05:53:17 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:53:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
	<434DDEA8.10004@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1964DF36724F3FFD573F13BB7A0@phx.gbl>

Jeff, do you make your "N"'s backwards...backward N's are VERY common 
here..especially on billboards and such!!

Solly fer the O/T

Rick..transplanted from Wash. State. :-)))


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> I still ain't figured Rick S's picture. Still looks like the blade is
> going through the I-beam. Folks from Montana can be a bit strange
> though. I should no cause I'm from there. :-) Nice to know someone looks
> at my clubs photos Rick I.
>
> Jeff Allen
> http://frapa.us/
>
>
>
> Rick I. wrote:
>
> >Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran 
> >across
> >these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique 
> >Power
> >Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 
> >3
> >rightmost pix at:
> >http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
> >The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this 
> >Stover
> >flywheel!
> >http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html
> >
> >-Rick I.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 06:05:43 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:05:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl><6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510122241k38bf3a57x62ec99dbd787e4de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV11CB988EBCBDBF4E75642EBB7A0@phx.gbl>

Peter, just to make it interesting, we live here.  The place just right of 
center...with the octagon house and trapezoid lookin' yard.

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=2205&y=25816&z=12&w=2

Called Helena as Lars and Leena were traveling by covered wagon in 1869. 
Lars noticed the oxen were about payed out after coming across the north 
hill.  He turned to Leena and said "Hell Lenna, let's stop here."

  In time, the Leeenna was dropped and now it's prounounced Hell ena..as in 
enema <vbg>

"Jus slap me"

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/13/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > There ya go Peter.. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO THE STROBEL shack in The Big
> > Sky!!!
> >
> > Ouch..damn it Kathy..that hurt!!
> >
> > Jus kiddin'..she's a good ole construction brat and is at the watering 
> > hole
> > as I type
> >
> >
> > RickinMt
> >
> >
>
> Where exactly in Montana are you located?  I had a quick look at the
> maps yesterday, but could use a location to see where you're at....
>
> Peter
> --
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 10 04:30:54 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:30:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
References: <BAY103-F216C783944E86D29548FC0BD860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a801c5cd8e$1436e840$3c5aecdc@morris>

G'Day Douglas

As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3 
types as far as I know

"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators

The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, check 
out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the side 
shaft,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.

I have never seen a manual for a J.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ

WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/

skype ID:   ozengine

sent 9.30pm


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Kimball" <doug11k at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted


>A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have tried 
>Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for article 
>reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help appreciated.
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 07:32:14 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
References: <410-220051031202159812@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12A207F2ACABD932AF9F27BB7A0@phx.gbl>

Tim, could I get a picture of the ignition system for the 4 and a 
half...preciate it.  and I'm cc'ing ya as I think the sel server is down.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Rick
>
> I do have a 4  1/2 upright in my stable of New Way's so I can get you any
> pic you would need.  BTW, New Way's did not use a spark saver, do NOT pick
> it up by the spark plug hole, DON'T under any circumstances try and push
> the piston futher down the cylinder to unstick it.  If the piston is ever
> to end up at the top of the cylinder and the top ring is not stuck, it 
> will
> spread out in a hollow spot in the casting and you will have one very big
> paper weight.
>
> Tim Christoff.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/11/2005 7:52:39 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
> >
> > Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the
> carb
> > is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base.
> > Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic
> > Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all
> the
> > vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me
> > one!! for a decent price.
> >
> >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> > pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> >
> >   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e.
> Ford
> > coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't 
> > it
> be
> > kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the
> porcelain.
> >
> >   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think
> > about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't
> like
> > it.
> >
> > Ya'll have a nice day
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> > >
> > > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby
> have
> > > an
> > > > oil pump?
> > >
> > >
> > > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines
> don't
> > > do
> > > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.
> > > The
> > > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My 
> > > guess
> is
> > > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> > >
> > > Tim Christoff
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Oct 13 08:21:50 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:21:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Test please ignore
Message-ID: <101320051521.1508.434E7B8E000B0CD6000005E421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Dave,
Your msg came through at 12:49 today.
Curt


> 12:18
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Oct 13 10:18:24 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:18:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <00a801c5cd8e$1436e840$3c5aecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <20051013171813.HOIE15527.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

The boys tell me that a JB stands for J Benzine.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

G'Day Douglas

As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3 
types as far as I know

"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators

The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, check

out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the side 
shaft,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.

I have never seen a manual for a J.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ





From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct 13 13:16:06 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
In-Reply-To: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing to
decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor tile
and backsplash tile, etc.
I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will do a
1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look before
you purchase.
They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where they
said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!

Any thoughts?
To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be cool
Thanks.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)



From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Thu Oct 13 13:57:09 2005
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:57:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
In-Reply-To: <2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
	<2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <434ECA25.30605@atnet.net>

Bill - I believe with the advent of computers, etc. this has become a 
standard service at most of the bigger hardware stores.  Check out your 
local HOME DEPOT or LOWELS, if not, then try the paint companies.

Remember an actual sample from the same material etc. works best.

Good luck,

Regards,

Bob

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing to
> decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor tile
> and backsplash tile, etc.
> I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
> offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will do a
> 1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look before
> you purchase.
> They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where they
> said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!
> 
> Any thoughts?
> To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be cool
> Thanks.
> 
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)
> 
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Oct 13 14:11:02 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:11:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
	<2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <016201c5d03a$9f40c5b0$824f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Ask your wife!!

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT - paint samples?


I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing to
decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor tile
and backsplash tile, etc.
I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will do a
1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look before
you purchase.
They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where they
said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!

Any thoughts?
To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be cool
Thanks.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)

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From bhaynes at prexar.com  Thu Oct 13 14:44:33 2005
From: bhaynes at prexar.com (Blaine Haynes)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:44:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>


Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529


  I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the block....1
1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston ,
brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Oct 13 15:26:22 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:26:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <410-2200510413222622218@coastalnet.com>

Blaine,

Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
these were Titan engines.

John Hammink will probably have more to add.

Take care.

Ken

 


> [Original Message]
> From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
>
>
> Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
>
>
>   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
block....1
> 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston
,
> brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
> from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
> have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 15:32:04 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:32:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
Message-ID: <007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>

It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
What is a cross head??

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/





From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Oct 13 15:58:38 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:58:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <410-2200510413225838375@coastalnet.com>

Blaine,

Here is a page with a couple of catalog cuts showing the application
of these engines.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/myers/52/cat52-5.htm

Check out pages 242 and 248.

Take care.

Ken






From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 13 17:08:17 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <20051014000817.91683.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ed,
A crosshead is a sliding component that is located between the crankshaft and the piston. There is a wrist pin in it that connects the crank to the crosshead, then a straight round rod screws into the top of it and runs to the underside of the piston. Crossheads are mainly used in double acting  steam engines and compressors. The usage of the crosshead and straight solid round connection rod allows a good sealing area and the lower or underside of the piston can then be used as power or compresson.  The only internal combustion engine I'm aware of is the Mery 6 cycle engine.
How's the 2 cyl Briggs comming along?
Ron


ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
What is a cross head??

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/



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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Oct 13 17:12:41 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:12:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <002f01c5d053$ff890540$0d5c1f40@Eagle>

    The crosshead is between the connecting rod and the piston. Think
steam engine. It is the sliding shoe - usually upper and lower - or right
and left -that keeps the piston rod in a straight back and forth motion.
The  connecting rod then connects the crosshead to the crank.

Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead


> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
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From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 15:16:20 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:16:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
Message-ID: <000d01c5d043$c0d83bf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Blaine, your engine VC 5533 is a 1 hp hopper cooled
gasoline engine made in 1912.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Haynes" <bhaynes at prexar.com>
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.


>   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the block....1
> 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston ,
> brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
> from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
> have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine




From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 17:28:33 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:28:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBAEMOEHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>

Ed,
Others may have a more technical definition, but to me a cross head is
an "in-between" connection between the crankshaft and the piston.  With
the motion that a crankshaft puts on a connecting rod, it would be
impossible to maintain a direct "to and fro" motion.  Instead, the
connecting rod drives a connecting block in the crosshead, which in turn
drives a piston rod which can be driven to and fro with no up & down
motion.  I'm thinking of the 1895 Mery engine ... which was kinda at the
end of the steam era (many observers mistake it for a steam engine).   A
"crosshead" (to me) is more often thought of as a steam engine 'thing'
.....

http://www.pbase.com/captain_carl/image/41033128

That's not the best picture of it, but you can see the crosshead with
the connecting rod coming from the crank, and the piston rod on the
front end of the crosshead.  The Mery has 2 combustion chambers, the aft
one being "sealed" by a packing nut around the piston rod.

>What is a cross head??





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 17:41:08 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:41:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV115602ABD1C16657A03E58BB7D0@phx.gbl>

Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to move 
STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does.  I can 
take pix's if you like

RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead


> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
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From doug11k at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 13 18:15:17 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:15:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <00a801c5cd8e$1436e840$3c5aecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F28A03ABD8EF75276EB6F3CBD7D0@phx.gbl>

Kerry,
Patrick is right, the "B" stands for benzine(gasoline) which we understand 
was available only for export. This engine found in Canada.


>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:30:54 +1000
>
>G'Day Douglas
>
>As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3 
>types as far as I know
>
>"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
>"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
>"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators
>
>The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, 
>check out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the 
>side shaft,
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.
>
>I have never seen a manual for a J.
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
>WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/
>
>skype ID:   ozengine
>
>sent 9.30pm
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kimball" <doug11k at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:53 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>
>
>>A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have 
>>tried Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for 
>>article reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help 
>>appreciated.
>>
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From doug11k at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 13 18:16:33 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:16:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <20051013171813.HOIE15527.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7B0CF40A2D199BB97267FBD7D0@phx.gbl>

Patrick,
Do the boys have any other information?


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:18:24 +1000
>
>The boys tell me that a JB stands for J Benzine.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>-----Original Message-----
>
>G'Day Douglas
>
>As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3
>types as far as I know
>
>"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
>"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
>"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators
>
>The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, 
>check
>
>out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the side
>shaft,
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.
>
>I have never seen a manual for a J.
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
>
>
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Thu Oct 13 18:20:27 2005
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:20:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <20051014000817.91683.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051014000817.91683.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <434F07DB.3030904@atnet.net>

To see a great a cross head example and neat engine check out 
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

Regards,

Bob
Moses Lake, WA

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> A crosshead is a sliding component that is located between the crankshaft and the piston. There is a wrist pin in it that connects the crank to the crosshead, then a straight round rod screws into the top of it and runs to the underside of the piston. Crossheads are mainly used in double acting  steam engines and compressors. The usage of the crosshead and straight solid round connection rod allows a good sealing area and the lower or underside of the piston can then be used as power or compresson.  The only internal combustion engine I'm aware of is the Mery 6 cycle engine.
> How's the 2 cyl Briggs comming along?
> Ron
> 
> 
> ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>.


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 18:37:32 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:37:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2><007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
	<BAY5-DAV115602ABD1C16657A03E58BB7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009c01c5d05f$d95abc40$97bff504@x8h7l9>

Thanks guys, I got it now; the crosshead is not part of the head. I think if
it as a cross slide.

Ron, I still have not come up with a second Briggs Model 5S block. (The
project is to join two Briggs Model 5s to make a little inline vertical twin
engine for a scale model tractor.  ) I finally added the as built Tecumseh
schematic for the older Solid State Ignitions to my web site.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CrossHead


> Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to
move
> STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does.  I can
> take pix's if you like
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
>
>
> > It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In
the
> > September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page
10.
> > What is a cross head??
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> >
> >
> >
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From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct 13 18:52:47 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:52:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
	<BAY5-DAV115602ABD1C16657A03E58BB7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00af01c5d061$fa0f02a0$8ff1a518@SkipBetty>

Isn't a cross head used on a steam engine or some of those tandem engines so 
that a combustion chamber or in the case of a steamer, a high pressure 
chamber on both ends of the piston stroke? I think it is.Would this make it 
a double acting engine? I believe it would.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CrossHead


> Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to 
> move STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does.  I 
> can take pix's if you like
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
>
>
>> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
>> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 
>> 10.
>> What is a cross head??
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
>>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Oct 13 19:23:48 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:23:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
	<2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c5d066$4fd79fe0$771117d1@net.telenet.net>

Think that is Sherwin Williams. Them or Benjamin Moore. Both are very
good paint.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT - paint samples?


> I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing
to
> decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor
tile
> and backsplash tile, etc.
> I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
> offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will
do a
> 1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look
before
> you purchase.
> They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where
they
> said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!
>
> Any thoughts?
> To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be
cool
> Thanks.
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 12 00:20:38 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:20:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><004c01c5ce91$a770e260$4abe869d@ibm22761389857>
	<BAY5-DAV176D5F3FC63EF30EAF8925BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008a01c5cefd$71d920b0$c677693a@morris>

test
5.20 pm


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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 03:26:19 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <00af01c5d061$fa0f02a0$8ff1a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <20051014102619.46767.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yep it would. Xhead = double acting.
Ron

Skip Cleveland <OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
Isn't a cross head used on a steam engine or some of those tandem engines so 
that a combustion chamber or in the case of a steamer, a high pressure 
chamber on both ends of the piston stroke? I think it is.Would this make it 
a double acting engine? I believe it would.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CrossHead


> Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to 
> move STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does. I 
> can take pix's if you like
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
>
>
>> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
>> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 
>> 10.
>> What is a cross head??
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 14 04:00:58 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 7:00:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
Message-ID: <4enjrj$1hrt7g9@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
> Yep it would. Xhead = double acting.
> Ron
> 
The 100hp Buckeye featured in GEM several months ago uses a cross head. It's 2 cycle, the bottom of the cylinder charges the top.
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 14 04:14:51 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 7:14:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
Message-ID: <48u2fu$1d8j970@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
>   The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that I 
> don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."
> 
>  
On the 100hp Buckeye, there's s ball valve for starting, goes to a check valve and into the top of the cylinder. You have to bar the engine to just past top center, a stripe on the flywheel indicates this spot. You have to time the air blast by watching the stripe come up, easy to get the hang of it. I did some work on the fuel injection, there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke. The governor slides a wedge in and out between the valve and the rod. This allows injection to start at tdc every time, when compression is max, cutting off the fuel at the end to limit speed. When the governor is working right the engine runs clean. There's a manual lever that limits the injection, delays the start of injection. When speed is limited this way, lots of white smoke, incomplete combustion.
J.B. Castagnos 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 05:00:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:00:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <48u2fu$1d8j970@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV174C14BF137444657D60F2BB7D0@phx.gbl>

I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself 
fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?

Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.

"there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


>
>
> >
> >   The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that 
> > I
> > don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."
> >
> >
> On the 100hp Buckeye, there's s ball valve for starting, goes to a check 
> valve and into the top of the cylinder. You have to bar the engine to just 
> past top center, a stripe on the flywheel indicates this spot. You have to 
> time the air blast by watching the stripe come up, easy to get the hang of 
> it. I did some work on the fuel injection, there's a relief valve that 
> dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke. The governor slides a wedge in 
> and out between the valve and the rod. This allows injection to start at 
> tdc every time, when compression is max, cutting off the fuel at the end 
> to limit speed. When the governor is working right the engine runs clean. 
> There's a manual lever that limits the injection, delays the start of 
> injection. When speed is limited this way, lots of white smoke, incomplete 
> combustion.
> J.B. Castagnos
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 05:44:07 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:44:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV174C14BF137444657D60F2BB7D0@phx.gbl>
References: <48u2fu$1d8j970@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<BAY5-DAV174C14BF137444657D60F2BB7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510140544l597503cdj7abdb76de67566f7@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself
> fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?
>
> Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.
>
> "there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"
>
> Rick
>
>

Most air-start engines inhibit fuel while turning over on air, it is
either done automatically on the air-cam or by hand.

Once you get into seriously large engines, you cannot have fuel going
into the cylinder as we well as compressed starting air as the unburnt
fuel will accumulate in the exhaust.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 06:05:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:05:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical FAN SHAFT
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4ECF6CEBBC215A6D7BE33BB7D0@phx.gbl>

Chester and others,  here are a few pix's I took yesterday of the fan 
shaft...will try to add numbers today.  I might mention that where the shaft 
screws into the "T"..is NOT npt...looks more like a straight thread of some 
type.  The rest of the "T" is 1/8" npt, and the nipple and the Union half.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/476368716phaVjD  AND HIT NEXT 
FOR MORE

I post this to the list so it makes the archives.

Mine's still stuck and I ain't gonna wait no 15 yrs..ha, ha...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a 
> great
> help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
> how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> fabricating job,
> Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and
> > shot around 20 pix's
> >
> > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while 
> > to
> > digest them.
> >
> > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
> assy.
> > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but
> > it's a 4 1/2.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
> don't
> > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> >
> > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> >
> > "headed fer the shed"
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 14 06:06:12 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 9:06:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
Message-ID: <4enjt4$1g1l1vc@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>


> I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself 
> fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?
> 
> Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.
> 
> "there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"
> 
> Rick
> 
I have a manual on the Buckeye, shows everything you need to know, I could send you a copy. Thr injrtor pump is a piston pump, one check on the intake side, three in series on the outlet if I remeber correctly. Above the piston is a relief valve, similar to a valve in a 4 cycle engine. As the piston is plunged in an attached shaft approaches the relief valve. Once the relief valve is opened injection quits. The governor slides a wedge in between the rod and valve, the deeper the wedge, the sooner the injection quits. The injector itself is a pop off type of valve, a small nozzle at the end. Bob Legnon reworked this part of it, we went with a smaller jet, .060" if IRC. The book listed difeerent nozzles for different loads and fuels, we went with the smallest since the engine would be running 
unloaded with diesel. I would think some of the modern injectors could be adapted, pressure would have to be lowered, these aren't high pressure systems. The first time this engine was taken to a show was on a Friday, I wasn't present. THe head is supposed to be heated with a blow torch type of heater. The engine wouldn't start, so the Feltermans brought in an oxy acetylene torch with a rose bud. When it started it ran away and wouldn't stop even when fuel was cut off. The next day they were scared to start it again, not knowing why it ran away. I think what happened was the head is designed with a bowl in it tthat the injector squirts in to. There's a manual lever to bleed and test the injector. While setting things up wuite a bit of fuel was pumped into the bowl, filling it. This made it hard to heat enough for starting, the rose bud got the fuel boiling, the engine continued to run on the boiling vapors. It's standard procedure to remove the injector and check the bowl fo!
 r fuel before first starting.
On the Fairbanks Y's, it was customary to keep a sledge hammer close by, if the engine started running away you could knock the inspection covers in, stopping cylinder charging, killing the engine.
J.B. Castagnos 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Oct  9 16:55:22 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:55:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
References: <100820050916.14250.43478E5D000A179C000037AA21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <004201c5cd2c$ed059bb0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/index.html

Try this one Curt, the language is Dutch. Look for the last picture 
no: 28.

John H.



> Hi John,
> Sorry but couln't open to pics, looks like something I can't read (not sure of 
> language).
> Curt




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 14 03:48:53 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:48:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152@no1>

Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Oct 14 07:50:14 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:50:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
Message-ID: <20051014.105746.548.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

Anyone know what the letters  N S     in a sheild on the side of a Yellow
Dog stand for ?
                                             C O 

Maybe NC Company ?

But - Who are they ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 09:13:54 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:13:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Overseas test.
Message-ID: <000b01c5d011$1f464ed0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

My time 18.15

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu  Fri Oct 14 10:35:48 2005
From: jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Jack Green)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:35:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>

Dave

It looks like a metal drum or barrel wrench with tabs at 
various spacings for different plugs/stoppers.  
Non sparking for opening barrels w/ flammables ie gasoline, alcohol, solvents...
Jack 

Message: 29
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:48:53 +0100
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: oldengine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Message-ID: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152 at no1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct 14 11:37:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:37:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>
References: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>
Message-ID: <1483.165.206.180.102.1129315047.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Is that what they call a bung wrench?

I think Dave may be onto something.

Bill
Runnells, IA

> Dave
>
> It looks like a metal drum or barrel wrench with tabs at
> various spacings for different plugs/stoppers.
> Non sparking for opening barrels w/ flammables ie gasoline, alcohol,
> solvents...
> Jack
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:48:53 +0100
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: oldengine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Message-ID: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152 at no1>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 14 12:52:26 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:52:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Overseas test.
In-Reply-To: <000b01c5d011$1f464ed0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <20051014195227.52445.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

It's now 2252 in Saudi (gmt + 3)

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


--- John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl> wrote:

> My time 18.15
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.


		
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Oct 14 14:28:50 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:28:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <1483.165.206.180.102.1129315047.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>
	<1483.165.206.180.102.1129315047.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <564fba5282765314cde7fe662171a417@chartertn.net>

> Is that what they call a bung wrench?

You could use it if your bung hole gets stopped up.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 14:55:30 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:55:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
References: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <004201c5d109$feeec960$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.

Mike Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?


> Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Oct 14 15:18:29 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:18:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>

Dear Dr. John,
If I saw you coming at me with that tool, the "unstopping" would be both 
involuntary and immediate.
Ron  


In a message dated 10/14/2005 6:10:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
> Is that what they call a bung wrench?

You could use it if your bung hole gets stopped up.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Oct 14 15:48:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:48:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
References: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <75e6c8dcbea83c0be979651ad4b0b370@chartertn.net>

See, it's effective. :-)

On Oct 14, 2005, at 6:18 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Dr. John,
> If I saw you coming at me with that tool, the "unstopping" would be 
> both
> involuntary and immediate.
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Oct 14 17:42:44 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:42:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
In-Reply-To: <20051014.105746.548.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E1EQa8R-0004Mr-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	National Supply   - maybe?

Bob Willman 
The Eagle's Anvil	Bowling Green, Ohio	WB8NQW



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:50 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; jlb94 at juno.com
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog

Hi List,

Anyone know what the letters  N S     in a sheild on the side of a Yellow
Dog stand for ?
                                             C O 

Maybe NC Company ?

But - Who are they ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Fri Oct 14 18:35:14 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:35:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A few pulleys
Message-ID: <006f01c5d128$b0a49400$c4c67040@user>

If anyone is interested....
Guy down the road is cleaning the storage shed. Have some pictures here of
line shaft and other pulleys he will be getting rid of.
If anyone is interested, contact him at 517-486-2381.
Name is Don Reineck. He is not on the list.
If not, he will be putting them in a consignment auction near here.
Hope this link works as I have not done this before. Pictures are PA140004
to PA140008.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/riga_fire/album?.dir=454e&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/riga_fire/my_photos


Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 07:46:43 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:46:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <4enjt4$1g1l1vc@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV15088E443935A358B895B6BB7C0@phx.gbl>

Interesting stuff JB..a copy would be nice to clear up this foggy brain.

  Your runaway story reminds me many years ago when I was working on the 
Missile Site.  We had three 300 CID supercharged Cummins' driving 150 KW 
alternators.  Well the SOP was when a diesel ran away (leaking supercharger 
seals) the procedure was to remove the top of the air cleaner..called a 
precleaner I believe, and invert it on top of the air cleaner thusly 
shutting off the air.  We always kept that pre cleaner loose for that 
reason.  Well one day the boss thot he'd try that emergency proceedure out. 
I never laughed so hard in my life.  It collapsed the entire air cleaner, 
but it did shut down the engine.

  Wonder if that would werk on these ole girls??

Thanks JB
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


>
> > I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself
> > fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?
> >
> > Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.
> >
> > "there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"
> >
> > Rick
> >
> I have a manual on the Buckeye, shows everything you need to know, I could 
> send you a copy. Thr injrtor pump is a piston pump, one check on the 
> intake side, three in series on the outlet if I remeber correctly. Above 
> the piston is a relief valve, similar to a valve in a 4 cycle engine. As 
> the piston is plunged in an attached shaft approaches the relief valve. 
> Once the relief valve is opened injection quits. The governor slides a 
> wedge in between the rod and valve, the deeper the wedge, the sooner the 
> injection quits. The injector itself is a pop off type of valve, a small 
> nozzle at the end. Bob Legnon reworked this part of it, we went with a 
> smaller jet, .060" if IRC. The book listed difeerent nozzles for different 
> loads and fuels, we went with the smallest since the engine would be 
> running
> unloaded with diesel. I would think some of the modern injectors could be 
> adapted, pressure would have to be lowered, these aren't high pressure 
> systems. The first time this engine was taken to a show was on a Friday, I 
> wasn't present. THe head is supposed to be heated with a blow torch type 
> of heater. The engine wouldn't start, so the Feltermans brought in an oxy 
> acetylene torch with a rose bud. When it started it ran away and wouldn't 
> stop even when fuel was cut off. The next day they were scared to start it 
> again, not knowing why it ran away. I think what happened was the head is 
> designed with a bowl in it tthat the injector squirts in to. There's a 
> manual lever to bleed and test the injector. While setting things up wuite 
> a bit of fuel was pumped into the bowl, filling it. This made it hard to 
> heat enough for starting, the rose bud got the fuel boiling, the engine 
> continued to run on the boiling vapors. It's standard procedure to remove 
> the injector and check the bowl fo!
>  r fuel before first starting.
> On the Fairbanks Y's, it was customary to keep a sledge hammer close by, 
> if the engine started running away you could knock the inspection covers 
> in, stopping cylinder charging, killing the engine.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 13 05:52:55 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:52:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bulletin boards down
References: <200510130809390953.0C15078D@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c5cff5$092f2930$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bulletin boards down


> Due to a very concerted set of SPAM attacks that are bringing the ATIS
> server down to its knees, ATIS bulletin boards will be down until further
> notice.
> Sorry about that, but these attacks were, for all intents and purposes,
> locking the machine up.
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS

Thanks Spencer, all my late & missing posts have just arrived. 
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Oct 14 19:46:58 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:46:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
In-Reply-To: <20051014.105746.548.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E1EQc4f-0006Ou-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	The yellow dog is listed in the 1939 National Supply catalog
With    N S Co  on the side. It does not show a shield, but the
National Supply logo looks very much like today's interstate signs.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:50 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; jlb94 at juno.com
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog

Hi List,

Anyone know what the letters  N S     in a sheild on the side of a Yellow
Dog stand for ?
                                             C O 

Maybe NC Company ?

But - Who are they ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net  Fri Oct 14 17:08:52 2005
From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:08:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
References: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43504894.5080103@Ntelos.Net>

I know what the wrench was for .. At one point of time when i bought new 
vales at the plant i worked at the new vales came with a tool kit . So 
if you ever needed to take off the valve handle you would use the 
special wrench that came with the valve . The problem we had was when 
there was fifty years of saving the wrenches in a drawer which one 
worked ? . Nowadays  the valve nuts are standard .


                                                                                             
Mark L Shattuck



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 15 03:30:08 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:30:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <101520051030.25127.4350DA30000126240000622721979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

So Mike what is the purpose of the other slots and groves on the tool used 
for?????
Curt Andree


> It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.
> 
> Mike Royster
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
> Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> 
> 
> > Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> > I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> > See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > England
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Oct 15 04:41:02 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:41:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] For a laugh
Message-ID: <002901c5d17d$52a13160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Not a list topic but maybe of amusement.  Enjoy

http://page.site.net.au/waronterror.wmv

Ron

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Oct 15 05:40:37 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:40:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
References: <101520051030.25127.4350DA30000126240000622721979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5d185$a55083e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

There are 3 different style 2 inch caps on the drums, and also 3 different
3/4" caps as well.  The different prongs and openings will get them all.
Actually called a "Universal Bung Wrench".

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What was this tool used for?


> So Mike what is the purpose of the other slots and groves on the tool used
> for?????
> Curt Andree
>
>
> > It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.
> >
> > Mike Royster
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> > To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> >
> >
> > > Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> > > I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> > > See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> > > Dave Croft
> > > Warrington
> > > England
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Oct 15 05:50:21 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:50:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Question
Message-ID: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam>


One for the Aussies

Can anyone help a friend of mine with the answer to this question please

What are the values of the green cap  capacitors used as condensers for EK magnetos ?
Who sells them in Australia.
  Thanks in advance. Cam

From gwaugh at wowway.com  Sat Oct 15 06:14:04 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:14:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <003001c5d185$a55083e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <101520051030.25127.4350DA30000126240000622721979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<003001c5d185$a55083e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4351009C.1040508@wowway.com>

This is an interesting thread, though---I have used these bung wrenches 
for 40 years or so, and have NEVER come close to using all of the 
different little do-hickeys on them!

Gene
Elgin, Illinois USA

Mike Royster wrote:

>There are 3 different style 2 inch caps on the drums, and also 3 different
>3/4" caps as well.  The different prongs and openings will get them all.
>Actually called a "Universal Bung Wrench".
>
>MR
>  
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Oct 15 06:53:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:53:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV183C88984566F1ED372ED0BB7C0@phx.gbl>

  Don't get no better than this gang.  Used the grease gun method but did 
not heed Rob and Kelley's warning:

 "You need to block off all holes in the cylinder where grease can escape. 
The valves should be in place, exhaust ports covered, and access holes 
covered." <vbg>

I was too focused on pouring the french fry grease into the funnel and only 
sensed something was wrong when all the stray dogs showed up :-))))...yea 
the exhaust valve was open.  Should have put the air hose to the spark plug 
hole first  .see:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/476985624PhFWAg

Plugged the exhaust hole and after a couple pumps..she moved.:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/476983859/476983859hBBJTS

and a little more:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/476983930/476983930bgPBeF

  I didn't go any farther as now I can reach up and feel the cylinder, and 
there is a lot of gunk on the cylinder wall, but now I can fold open the 
engine case and disconnect the rod and get 'er in the electrolysis tank. 
Install piston stop also.

  Not only is this hobby educational...it is also VERY SELF-ENTERTAINING :-)

later
RickinMt 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Oct 15 08:06:47 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
Message-ID: <20051015.110749.304.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Bob,

Yep - I'd say Nat'l Supply would probably be it.

The "Shield" does look like the interstate highway sign.

I'm sorta new to the Yellow Dog market.  I purchased one earlier through
ebay
and felt I got a good deal on a "no name".
Then I fell over this one at a local house auction.

I bought it from the guy that won the bid as I showed up late and didn't
see it.
He said he didn't know what it was ( but I doubt that ).


Thanks again.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Oct 15 07:57:30 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:57:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
Message-ID: <20051015.110749.304.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Good 4 U, Rick.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 09:04:51 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:04:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Question
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam>
References: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510150904m82c5418o2a24903726c6bf2@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/15/05, cam grundy <ponchie at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> One for the Aussies
>
> Can anyone help a friend of mine with the answer to this question please
>
> What are the values of the green cap  capacitors used as condensers for EK magnetos ?
> Who sells them in Australia.
>   Thanks in advance. Cam

0.1mfd  to  0.22mfd, polyester type with 400V working voltage should
get you there, but they'll work with a range of capacitances. The
higher the voltage the better, don't go below 250V if you can help it.

'X' rated suppression capacitors are very good but tend to be bulky
due to their higher performance rating. We've got boxes of those sort
here...

Any good component house should be able to flog you something
suitable, or go along to your local Amateur Radio club and scrounge
something.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From junque at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 15 10:10:57 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:10:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister CD parts
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015100542.02c158d0@shawmail>

Greetings from a new member.
Am looking for a valve cover and oil pressure gauge for a Lister CD 
8hp diesel.  Photos of this type can be seen here: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dene/photos.htm
Also looking a Lister CS twin...Thank you!




From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 16:18:37 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:18:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
References: <410-2200510413222622218@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c5d04c$74584140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Ken, see this official factory chart, the VC type was not a sprayer
engine. And since Blain's engine had a serial # VC 5533 of 1912
it isn't a Titan. All engines designated by the name "Titan" since
May 1st 1914.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/pre&suffixgroot.htm

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
sixmjohn at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Blaine,
> 
> Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
> and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
> engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
> pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
> these were Titan engines.
> 
> John Hammink will probably have more to add.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 
>  
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
> >
> >
> > Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> > 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> > Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
> >
> >
> >   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> > Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
> block....1
> > 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston
> ,
> > brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> > adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
> > from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
> > have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 16:08:21 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:08:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <001001c5d04b$04f29ae0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

The slide block that connect the two rods.
It guide the piston rod and the crank rod in
one nice and quitely movement.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Oct 10 01:06:47 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:06:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
References: <000001c5cc02$7d3ba930$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <001b01c5cd71$93784b20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hey Chuck, sorry I can't tell you that don't know what
engine it's. It is a pitty his Web site doesn't work at the
moment, those guys have alot of rare and interesting
engines. Personally I think it's a French engine, because
most of their engines are French or Czech.

Regards,
                 John H.



> Hey John, nice engine in the foreground of the picture.  I also noticed
> one sitting up high in the background.  It looks like a Caille that I
> have.  Was curious if you know what make it is.  Could be maybe a
> Detroit or a Sandow as well.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Chuck




From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Oct 15 11:24:19 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:24:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <410-2200510615182419125@coastalnet.com>

John,

That information is sure a lot different than what Wendel says in his book.
Bottom right page 117 of the "150 years of IHC", or else I am reading
it wrong.

Also wonder why the difference in the VC designation since the chart I 
have up is supposed to be from the factory records.  Perhaps we can 
find an original Myers setup with the 1HP engine.

One thing for sure.  It is confusing;-)

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: John H. <sixmjohn at quicknet.nl>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/15/2005 2:01:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] engine ident.
>
> Ken, see this official factory chart, the VC type was not a sprayer
> engine. And since Blain's engine had a serial # VC 5533 of 1912
> it isn't a Titan. All engines designated by the name "Titan" since
> May 1st 1914.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/pre&suffixgroot.htm
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> sixmjohn at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> > Blaine,
> > 
> > Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
> > and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
> > engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
> > pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
> > these were Titan engines.
> > 
> > John Hammink will probably have more to add.
> > 
> > Take care.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> > > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> > > Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
> > >
> > >
> > > Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> > > 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> > > Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
> > >
> > >
> > >   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> > > Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
> > block....1
> > > 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia
piston
> > ,
> > > brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> > > adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the
engine
> > > from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if
possable I
> > > have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 12:26:45 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:26:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Recent web page additions/updates.
Message-ID: <6f6025160510151226s620e58d8x3fa07806e8941202@mail.gmail.com>

We have been a bit busy with work since we got back from Portland, but
have got a couple of extra sections added to the web pages:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerMenu1.htm

Most of the information we have on Kohler gennies up to 10kW, mainly
the flat-head engines but the little OHV is there and the K90 and
Briggs powered versions. There are about 160 pages or so, mainly
schematics, generator and brushgear layouts and engine information.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/PetrolStuff/MagFMType.htm

This is an addition to the Magneto pages that we put on a while back,
and has the full Fairbanks-Morse part number breakdown for all
magnetos and engine makers.

We will try and get the same sort of information on the other magneto
makers as soon as we have time to collate the information out of the
master service manuals.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 15 16:45:47 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F154752EF2119900310AAECC4850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F368664979F28CB62CBE422957C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Pete, I hear Bill Hash might accompany you, any chance?  Are you going to 
stay with me or camp in the new truck?  See ya soon, Steve


>From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:29:04 -0400
>
>Steve,
>I am planning to go to Coolspring on the 13, 14, & 15'th.  Then comming to 
>Arden on the 20, 21, & 22'nd.  If Steve Barr is coming to Coolspring, I 
>should be able to make it happen.
>
>Pete Stauffer
>
>
>>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
>>
>>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 15 16:51:28 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:51:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007213901.06731e00@mail.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F15CE9E8CB2968B1FFF97FF957C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Keith, The bike is a small one, a 350 cc HD Aermacchi. Steve Barr has it 
now and if you could haul it to your place I could come to Evansville and 
pick it up. Steve is in Iowa at an auction but should be home tomorrow . If 
you would , contact him and see if you can  connect while you are in  the 
area. I was hoping to get it to Coolspring but it didn't work so now I',m 
working on plan B. Thanks a lot, I hope you are able to work it out. Steve


>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:13 -0500
>
>I'll be coming through the Chicago area the weekend of October 28 and 
>depending on the size could probably pick it up and get it to Evansville if 
>that would help any.
>Keith
>
>
>
>At 07:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Oct 15 20:13:19 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:13:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <8.72a76802.30831f4f@aol.com>

And if you find a patient where the non sparking tool isn't effective, try 
this:


eBay: VINTAGE WOODEN BARRELL BUNG HOLE DRILL (item 6216381866 end time 
Oct-19-05 18:00:00 PDT)

Ron

In a message dated 10/14/2005 7:07:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
See, it's effective. :-)

On Oct 14, 2005, at 6:18 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Dr. John,
> If I saw you coming at me with that tool, the "unstopping" would be 
> both
> involuntary and immediate.
> Ron


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Oct 15 21:31:58 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:31:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <8.72a76802.30831f4f@aol.com>
References: <8.72a76802.30831f4f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a09d2aa2f99791c271ef9c7573494596@chartertn.net>

Every well equipped office should have one. :-)

John

On Oct 15, 2005, at 11:13 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> And if you find a patient where the non sparking tool isn't effective, 
> try
> this:
>
>
> eBay: VINTAGE WOODEN BARRELL BUNG HOLE DRILL (item 6216381866 end time
> Oct-19-05 18:00:00 PDT)


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Oct 15 23:12:20 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:12:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Question
References: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam> 160794318
Message-ID: <00a401c5d218$91548290$0301a8c0@Cam>

Thanks a million for that info Peter, very helpful. Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Question


> On 10/15/05, cam grundy <ponchie at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> One for the Aussies
>>
>> Can anyone help a friend of mine with the answer to this question please
>>
>> What are the values of the green cap  capacitors used as condensers for 
>> EK magnetos ?
>> Who sells them in Australia.
>>   Thanks in advance. Cam
>
> 0.1mfd  to  0.22mfd, polyester type with 400V working voltage should
> get you there, but they'll work with a range of capacitances. The
> higher the voltage the better, don't go below 250V if you can help it.
>
> 'X' rated suppression capacitors are very good but tend to be bulky
> due to their higher performance rating. We've got boxes of those sort
> here...
>
> Any good component house should be able to flog you something
> suitable, or go along to your local Amateur Radio club and scrounge
> something.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Oct 15 13:13:11 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:13:11 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
References: <410-2200510615182419125@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <001501c5d1c4$e1a1f510$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Ken,

I think you reading it wrong, Wendel is talking about Titan engines
while Blain's engine ( 1912 ) is a Famous. According my chart ( 1918 )
the VC isn't a sprayer engine, the VA, VB (air cooled ) and the VE, VD
( hopper cooled ) is.
At this link I put some 1 hp Titan sprayer outfits for you, from a 1916
IHC spraying catalog.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Titansprayers.jpg

There always will be secrets in our old iron hobby :o)

Regards,
                John H.



> John,
> 
> That information is sure a lot different than what Wendel says in his book.
> Bottom right page 117 of the "150 years of IHC", or else I am reading
> it wrong.
> 
> Also wonder why the difference in the VC designation since the chart I 
> have up is supposed to be from the factory records.  Perhaps we can 
> find an original Myers setup with the 1HP engine.
> 
> One thing for sure.  It is confusing;-)
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John H. <sixmjohn at quicknet.nl>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/15/2005 2:01:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] engine ident.
> >
> > Ken, see this official factory chart, the VC type was not a sprayer
> > engine. And since Blain's engine had a serial # VC 5533 of 1912
> > it isn't a Titan. All engines designated by the name "Titan" since
> > May 1st 1914.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/pre&suffixgroot.htm
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > sixmjohn at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> > > Blaine,
> > > 
> > > Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
> > > and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
> > > engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
> > > pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
> > > these were Titan engines.
> > > 
> > > John Hammink will probably have more to add.
> > > 
> > > Take care.
> > > 
> > > Ken
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> > > > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> > > > 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> > > > Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> > > > Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
> > > block....1
> > > > 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia
> piston
> > > ,
> > > > brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> > > > adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the
> engine
> > > > from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if
> possable I
> > > > have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 16 02:54:18 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:54:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <101620050954.13810.4352234A000D8E1F000035F221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks again Mike for the even more in depth "bung wrench" education.  Will be 
picking this odd tool up from the flee market vender next week and then it 
gets shipped to the Wizzard of Oz.....
Curt Andree


> There are 3 different style 2 inch caps on the drums, and also 3 different
> 3/4" caps as well.  The different prongs and openings will get them all.
> Actually called a "Universal Bung Wrench".
> 
> MR
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> 
> 
> > So Mike what is the purpose of the other slots and groves on the tool used
> > for?????
> > Curt Andree
> >
> >
> > > It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.
> > >
> > > Mike Royster
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> > > To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> > > > I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> > > > See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> > > > Dave Croft
> > > > Warrington
> > > > England
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
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> >
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 16 06:29:56 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:29:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
Message-ID: <78.7daab943.3083afd4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/2005 10:02:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< and only 
 sensed something was wrong when all the stray dogs showed up >>

Rick

Stray dogs and other critters too I am sure coming to that lovely smell!  

Are the tree trunks in the back ground all painted white?


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Oct 16 06:47:31 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lister CD parts
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015100542.02c158d0@shawmail>
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015100542.02c158d0@shawmail>
Message-ID: <435259F3.60202@comcast.net>

Robt wrote:

> Greetings from a new member.
> Am looking for a valve cover and oil pressure gauge for a Lister CD 
> 8hp diesel.  Photos of this type can be seen here: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dene/photos.htm
> Also looking a Lister CS twin...Thank you!
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
You can get "Listeroids" (Made-in-India clones) and much info at 
www.utterpower.com    .

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 07:40:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:40:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
References: <78.7daab943.3083afd4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3695D2E77760250412419BB7F0@phx.gbl>




> 
> Are the tree trunks in the back ground all painted white?
> 


Hard water deposits from the sprinklers..butt ugly, eh?


Rick


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 10:04:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV147DFADBE495CC95DA4E05BB7F0@phx.gbl>

  Well, I got her folded open yesterday.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477953865ywKycs


Am I looking at a cylinder sleeve with casting around it?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477951446FUDMYo

  One small surprise...the intake manifold pipe to the valve chest is not 
threaded as I had Ass u med :-((  easy to make a new one tho.

  http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477955830zvoMAE

  Chester..I'll be coming up with the numbers for the fan shaft in the next 
few days.

  Life is good
RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 11:39:44 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:39:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] atis or SEL pinback for sale
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl>

  I thot I saw a pinback somewhere,,but it's not listed.

 Help :-))

RickinMt. 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 16 12:33:56 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-2200510016193356218@earthlink.net>


Rick

Now, before you do anymore of that ass-u-me stuff you might want to know
that when you go to put that big old pipe wrench on the intake valve cage
your going to want to do some soaking first.  The valve cage is threaded up
on top, you can see that but what you don't see is that it is also threaded
down at the bottom and if the top comes loose and the bottom doesn't then
you can guess what will happen.

Tim Christoff



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 15:16:42 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:16:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-2200510016193356218@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2E0D8C15A9F21757B7832BB7F0@phx.gbl>

Ok..great Tim...after I pull the rod cap the whole top end is going into the 
electrolysis bath for awhile.

I ordered a book today..so that might help in me not becoming an a$$.

My next question is how to I get at the cam gear..but won't ask that now. 
:-))..unless one is in a typing mood.

Thanks much
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update


>
> Rick
>
> Now, before you do anymore of that ass-u-me stuff you might want to know
> that when you go to put that big old pipe wrench on the intake valve cage
> your going to want to do some soaking first.  The valve cage is threaded 
> up
> on top, you can see that but what you don't see is that it is also 
> threaded
> down at the bottom and if the top comes loose and the bottom doesn't then
> you can guess what will happen.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 16:28:02 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:28:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>

  Arnie...does any of this sound familiar?

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dardata/boss/afs/permits/prr_261050030100010_r1.pdf

  Somehow lost your email address.

RickinMt. 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Oct 16 17:07:14 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:07:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2aec80a028c1534a17e2994344092c5a@chartertn.net>

Nuke plant? That document's talking about Diesel generators providing  
electric power for a shopping mall named King's Plaza.

John

On Oct 16, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Richard Strobel wrote:

>   Arnie...does any of this sound familiar?
>
> http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dardata/boss/afs/permits/ 
> prr_261050030100010_r1.pdf


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 17:51:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:51:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant
References: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>
	<2aec80a028c1534a17e2994344092c5a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV18F351960EBDE59CBC154BBB7E0@phx.gbl>

ooppssss

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant


> Nuke plant? That document's talking about Diesel generators providing  
> electric power for a shopping mall named King's Plaza.
> 
> John
> 
> On Oct 16, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> >   Arnie...does any of this sound familiar?
> >
> > http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dardata/boss/afs/permits/ 
> > prr_261050030100010_r1.pdf
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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> 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Oct 16 18:45:52 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:45:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
Message-ID: <190.4a94e871.30845c50@aol.com>

Hi List,
After fabricating a new fuel tank and reworking the cam gear by  welding up 
two broken teeth, the Hercules fired up.
The original fuel tank had been fiberglass by the previous  owner.  However, 
this repair work didn't prevent the tank from  leaking.  A local sheet metal 
shop built a new one using the old tank  as pattern.  I soldered the seams and 
end caps.  The original fuel  inlet and outlet flanges were installed riveted 
and soldered on the new  tank.  I should have installed a vent J tube on the 
top of tank as I  discovered while pouring gas into the tank.  There wasn't any 
on the  original tank.  A new fuel filling assembly was fabricated from a 
reducing  1" to 3/8"  ell and 1" pipe plug.   The pipe plug was drilled to  
provide a vent.  The original fuel outlet assembly including the unique  check 
valve was used.
To repair the broken teeth on the cam gear, a tooth profile  template was 
made using a section of non-broken gear teeth.  The two broken  tooth areas were 
cleaned and built up using nickel iron welding rod.  To  protect the adjacent 
tooth surfaces, pieces of stainless steel plate were used  on both sides of 
welding build up areas.  Using the tooth profile template,  each new tooth was 
grounded and filed to shape.  This repaired cam gear was  checked by rotating 
it about the crankshaft gear.  The cam gear was then  timed and reinstalled.  
Prior to removing the cam gear, I made timing  marks on the mating teeth.
An electric motor was used to spin the engine.  It started  after a few 
revolutions.  Then it stopped.  The electric motor was  again belted up to the 
flywheel.  The belt began to slip.  As I was  trying to tension the belt, my hand 
slipped and I got my hand between the  crankshaft guard and connecting rod.  
Yes, I did a foolish thing and I  ended getting ten (10) stitches on my right 
hand index finger at the emergency  room.
It will be about two weeks before I get back to my projects.   Hopefully, I 
will be more careful where I put my hands.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 16 20:10:49 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:10:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-220051011731049872@earthlink.net>

Simple, remove the pin that holds the lock out arm in place and then
unscrew the bracket that held the lock out arm.  It is a right hand thread.
Once unscrewed, the cover will come off and there's your gear.

Tim



> Ok..great Tim...after I pull the rod cap the whole top end is going into
the 
> electrolysis bath for awhile.
>
> I ordered a book today..so that might help in me not becoming an a$$.
>
> My next question is how to I get at the cam gear..but won't ask that now. 
> :-))..unless one is in a typing mood.
>
> Thanks much
> Rick






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 19:17:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:17:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
References: <190.4a94e871.30845c50@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV31B857259EE1732257331BB7E0@phx.gbl>

OUCH Francis...I can almost resemble that remark.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status


> Hi List,
> After fabricating a new fuel tank and reworking the cam gear by  welding 
> up
> two broken teeth, the Hercules fired up.
> The original fuel tank had been fiberglass by the previous  owner. 
> However,
> this repair work didn't prevent the tank from  leaking.  A local sheet 
> metal
> shop built a new one using the old tank  as pattern.  I soldered the seams 
> and
> end caps.  The original fuel  inlet and outlet flanges were installed 
> riveted
> and soldered on the new  tank.  I should have installed a vent J tube on 
> the
> top of tank as I  discovered while pouring gas into the tank.  There 
> wasn't any
> on the  original tank.  A new fuel filling assembly was fabricated from a
> reducing  1" to 3/8"  ell and 1" pipe plug.   The pipe plug was drilled to
> provide a vent.  The original fuel outlet assembly including the unique 
> check
> valve was used.
> To repair the broken teeth on the cam gear, a tooth profile  template was
> made using a section of non-broken gear teeth.  The two broken  tooth 
> areas were
> cleaned and built up using nickel iron welding rod.  To  protect the 
> adjacent
> tooth surfaces, pieces of stainless steel plate were used  on both sides 
> of
> welding build up areas.  Using the tooth profile template,  each new tooth 
> was
> grounded and filed to shape.  This repaired cam gear was  checked by 
> rotating
> it about the crankshaft gear.  The cam gear was then  timed and 
> reinstalled.
> Prior to removing the cam gear, I made timing  marks on the mating teeth.
> An electric motor was used to spin the engine.  It started  after a few
> revolutions.  Then it stopped.  The electric motor was  again belted up to 
> the
> flywheel.  The belt began to slip.  As I was  trying to tension the belt, 
> my hand
> slipped and I got my hand between the  crankshaft guard and connecting 
> rod.
> Yes, I did a foolish thing and I  ended getting ten (10) stitches on my 
> right
> hand index finger at the emergency  room.
> It will be about two weeks before I get back to my projects.   Hopefully, 
> I
> will be more careful where I put my hands.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Oct 16 21:58:41 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:58:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <BAY5-DAV147DFADBE495CC95DA4E05BB7F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <019001c5d2d7$736a8710$210110ac@service>

Hi Rick, you are making good progress on the new way,
the picture of fan shaft are excellent & will be a great help to me, cheers
for now,
Chester from West Aussie.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Way update


>   Well, I got her folded open yesterday.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477953865ywKycs
>
>
> Am I looking at a cylinder sleeve with casting around it?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477951446FUDMYo
>
>   One small surprise...the intake manifold pipe to the valve chest is not
> threaded as I had Ass u med :-((  easy to make a new one tho.
>
>   http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477955830zvoMAE
>
>   Chester..I'll be coming up with the numbers for the fan shaft in the
next
> few days.
>
>   Life is good
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 17 00:12:42 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:12:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-220051011731049872@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV166BDD86CAA8A6D865C1FFBB7E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tim..that confirms what I had ass-u-med <vbg>

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way update


> Simple, remove the pin that holds the lock out arm in place and then
> unscrew the bracket that held the lock out arm.  It is a right hand 
> thread.
> Once unscrewed, the cover will come off and there's your gear.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> > Ok..great Tim...after I pull the rod cap the whole top end is going into
> the
> > electrolysis bath for awhile.
> >
> > I ordered a book today..so that might help in me not becoming an a$$.
> >
> > My next question is how to I get at the cam gear..but won't ask that 
> > now.
> > :-))..unless one is in a typing mood.
> >
> > Thanks much
> > Rick
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Oct 17 03:51:32 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:51:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Pics
Message-ID: <20051017105127.QNCJ23411.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Some pics from the display at Cambelltown Steam Museum yesterday:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct051.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Oct 17 03:52:55 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:52:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7B0CF40A2D199BB97267FBD7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051017105250.QOCW23411.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I will see what other info they may have. I have some pics of a JB engine
somewhere, I will see what I can find.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Patrick,
Do the boys have any other information?





From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Mon Oct 17 05:13:56 2005
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:13:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Pics
In-Reply-To: <20051017105127.QNCJ23411.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <4eo15g$decq95@mail-iinet.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

Very good thanks Patrick 
We would have liked to have been there maybe next time 

Alan



Some pics from the display at Cambelltown Steam Museum yesterday:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct051.html


Patrick 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 17 09:22:06 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:22:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
In-Reply-To: <190.4a94e871.30845c50@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01aa01c5d336$ec1faa00$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Yes, I did a foolish thing 

Hi Francis,
Sorry to hear about your misfortune.  Glad that you'll heal up.  If you're
feeling down about it, perhaps you'll be cheered up by the immortal words of the
world's greatest engineman, Captain Lance Murdoch.  "Bones heal.  Chicks dig
scars.  And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-engineman ratio
in the world!"

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 09:40:09 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:40:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
Message-ID: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:38:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:

And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-engineman ratio
in  the world


Thank goodness!
 
Francis


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 17 12:08:07 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:08:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status


> In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:38:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:
> And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-engineman ratio
> in  the world
> Thank goodness!
> Francis

But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct 17 12:43:51 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:43:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status OT
In-Reply-To: <001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
	<001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <4353FEF7.101@imc-group.com>

Dave Croft wrote:

>
>
>But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
>Dave Croft
>  
>
Dave,
If you are inclined to switch this over to slick I'll be happy to engage 
in a lengthy discussion about why your medical system is anything but 
free! You are being hosed with some of the worst tax rates in the world 
and the "benefits" you receive are hardly worth the expenses to you!
See ya on slick.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From mtucker at uky.edu  Mon Oct 17 12:42:36 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:42:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
In-Reply-To: <001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
	<001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <p06210201bf79af02911d@[128.163.81.76]>

>But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)

Free???? What's the tax rate in England?

Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Oct 17 13:31:59 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:31:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F278E2AD38333F9D6B07F8957C0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007213901.06731e00@mail.herculesengines.com>
	<BAY108-F278E2AD38333F9D6B07F8957C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051017152821.06058f30@mail.herculesengines.com>

Steve
Since you first posted our plans have changed.  We are going to 
Wisconsin camping and visiting our daughter at college.  She is 
planning on sending a bunch of stuff home with us and we will not 
have space for a motorcycle.  I'm sorry.  But, I'm sure we will be 
making another trip sometime in Feb or March and may be able to 
accommodate it then.
Keith





At 06:52 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Keith, The bike is a small one, a 350 cc HD Aermacchi. Steve Barr 
>has it now and if you could haul it to your place I could come to 
>Evansville and pick it up. Steve is in Iowa at an auction but should 
>be home tomorrow . If you would , contact him and see if you 
>can  connect while you are in  the area. I was hoping to get it to 
>Coolspring but it didn't work so now I',m working on plan B. Thanks 
>a lot, I hope you are able to work it out. Steve
>
>
>>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>>Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:13 -0500
>>
>>I'll be coming through the Chicago area the weekend of October 28 
>>and depending on the size could probably pick it up and get it to 
>>Evansville if that would help any.
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>At 07:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois 
>>>about 100 miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick 
>>>it up and facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is 
>>>anyone in this area planning on traveling to a show anywhere south 
>>>of there that could haul it and I might meet and pick up the Bike? 
>>>I don't have the show guide and don't know what shows are left 
>>>this season that might move someone this way. If anyone is headed 
>>>south from the Chicago area please contact me and see if we can 
>>>arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever to 
>>>offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping 
>>>some of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 
>>>15th  ot the Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as 
>>>this is old engine related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Oct 17 13:43:52 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
In-Reply-To: <p06210201bf79af02911d@[128.163.81.76]>
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
	<001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
	<p06210201bf79af02911d@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <2776.165.206.180.102.1129581832.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

NO such thing as free - someone is paying for it.
However, as far as quality, based on my visits and those of my inlaws,
etc, yours HAS to be better. Our ER people are butchers - WHEN they
finally get to you that is. ER Doctor? I believe there really is no such
thing - I've never seen one.

I've got the scars and butchered up hand to prove it. And ask about
Barbara's sister.......

Bill

>>But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
>
> Free???? What's the tax rate in England?
>
> Mike
> --
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> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 17 05:01:14 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:01:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] another test
References: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005501c5d312$78e9fdc0$c677693a@morris>

10.00pm   17/10/05


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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 15:09:39 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:09:39 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
Message-ID: <f4.5b9dab6d.30857b23@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/17/2005 2:06:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

However,  as far as quality, based on my visits and those of my inlaws,
etc, yours  HAS to be better. Our ER people are butchers - WHEN they
finally get to you  that is. ER Doctor? I believe there really is no such
thing - I've never  seen one.



Bill,
Sorry to hear about your sad experience with your ER.  We must  have ER 
people who are dedicated to their jobs.
My experience with our local ER has been extra ordinary.   I was in and out 
this last time in about 2 hours.  The doctor explained  what he was going to do 
before preceding.  He kept me informed as he  checked me over and stitched me 
up.  He also instructed me on what I should  do if it happens again (he might 
have been trying to give a message).   However, I had to wait for the billing 
clerk to get my bill longer than it took  the ER personnel to finish with me.
 About three years ago when I ran a small grinder across my  fore finger, I 
had very good service from the ER personnel.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 17 15:47:51 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:47:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status OT
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com><001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
	<4353FEF7.101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5d36c$cf359090$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status OT


> Dave Croft wrote:
> >But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
> >Dave Croft
> Dave,
> If you are inclined to switch this over to slick I'll be happy to engage 
> in a lengthy discussion about why your medical system is anything but 
> free! You are being hosed with some of the worst tax rates in the world 
> and the "benefits" you receive are hardly worth the expenses to you!
> See ya on slick.
> Curt Holland

Sorry Curt, I have tried it for about a year but found better uses for my time.
Dave Croft




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 17 15:48:45 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:48:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] another test
References: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl> 164545446
Message-ID: <00e801c5d36c$eebbf030$0301a8c0@Cam>

Kerry, I got it at 7: 30am.          Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] another test


> 10.00pm   17/10/05
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 15:48:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:48:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] another test
Message-ID: <144.4fe48c6a.30858452@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/17/2005 3:47:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

10.00pm   17/10/05


Arrived here at 15:45 PDT,  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 17 17:56:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:56:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FJ Manual
Message-ID: <43544841.3030808@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I just posted a Fuller and Johnson Pump Engine manual, courtesy of Dave 
Olson. Seems he has several to share and I'll be adding them as I get 
them. He did all the work as it came to me as a PDF. Can't beat that.

I am working over my site a bit, but here is the direct link for the 
manual.

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Manuals/FJ%20Pump%20Engine.pdf
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Manuals/FJ Pump Engine.pdf

Hope one of those works. Mozilla likes to screw up URL's with the %20 
crap in the link.

Time for a break.

Jeff Allen



From nick at holden1.net  Tue Oct 18 09:38:19 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:38:19 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] another test
References: <00e801c5d36c$eebbf030$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <435524FB.000001.07052@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Kerry i got it at 22.33
cyl
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: cam grundy
Date: 10/18/05 00:04:15
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] another test
 
Kerry, I got it at 7: 30am.          Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] another test
 
 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct 18 10:50:18 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] another test
In-Reply-To: <005501c5d312$78e9fdc0$c677693a@morris>
References: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl>
	<005501c5d312$78e9fdc0$c677693a@morris>
Message-ID: <4626.165.206.180.102.1129657818.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Didn't get it - can you resend?



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 18 19:29:39 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:29:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV818F7AC11B9D018E27B2EBB700@phx.gbl>

Chester..here's the best I can do with what I got..this is just the 
shaft..other components will be measured ASAP

Any questions, just holler,

And of course all measurements are in inches and/or decimals there of

Might be handy also if once downloaded you clicked on the bigger picture.

Hope this helps and good luck

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/480760660hhdskP

RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a 
> great
> help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
> how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> fabricating job,
> Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and
> > shot around 20 pix's
> >
> > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while 
> > to
> > digest them.
> >
> > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
> assy.
> > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but
> > it's a 4 1/2.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
> don't
> > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> >
> > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> >
> > "headed fer the shed"
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 18 23:32:40 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:32:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl><018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
	<BAY5-DAV818F7AC11B9D018E27B2EBB700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005301c5d476$ebf971f0$210110ac@service>

Rick, excellent, appreciate the effort, this will make my job so much
easier, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Chester..here's the best I can do with what I got..this is just the
> shaft..other components will be measured ASAP
>
> Any questions, just holler,
>
> And of course all measurements are in inches and/or decimals there of
>
> Might be handy also if once downloaded you clicked on the bigger picture.
>
> Hope this helps and good luck
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/480760660hhdskP
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> > Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a
> > great
> > help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots
of
> > how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> > fabricating job,
> > Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
> >
> >
> > >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out
and
> > > shot around 20 pix's
> > >
> > > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while
> > > to
> > > digest them.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
> > assy.
> > > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp
but
> > > it's a 4 1/2.
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > >
> > > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
> > don't
> > > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> > >
> > > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> > >
> > > "headed fer the shed"
> > > RickinMt.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 21:00:10 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:00:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] GEM index?  Taylor ever covered?
Message-ID: <000501c5d52a$c467b200$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

Is there a comprehensive index to past years' issues of Gas Engine Magazine?
I'm wondering if/when they published any stories on Taylor Vacuum Engines.

Thanks a lot,
Rick I.
Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine web site:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 20 06:16:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] GEM index?  Taylor ever covered?
In-Reply-To: <000501c5d52a$c467b200$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
References: <000501c5d52a$c467b200$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510200907420.98294@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rick,

Yep, contact...
R.D.HEIDL  2816 S.CAMPBELL ST. SANDUSKY,OHIO 44870

He's put the entire GEM index onto CD as an Excel spreadsheet that is
easily searched.  I think he charges something like $5 for the CD.

There are 13 references to Taylor Vacuum Engines; earliest in Vol. 7 and
latest in Vol. 35.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Rick I. wrote:

> Is there a comprehensive index to past years' issues of Gas Engine Magazine?
> I'm wondering if/when they published any stories on Taylor Vacuum Engines.



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct 20 22:38:50 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:38:50
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <200510201600.j9KG04SW012350@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List,
	I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
Rick).

	I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.

	Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!

	Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
posts there are "tests". 

	What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for winter ?

	I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill Young
and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting subject.
All very overdue but have had problems of my own.

	O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
Look Here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>

	This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
Keep the revs down,
Jerry in South Africa



	

	
---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Oct 20 14:47:43 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:47:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <103.6c611c02.30896a7f@aol.com>

Hi Jerry,
That's a nice looking engine name plate.  Do you have the engine?
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA


From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Oct 20 15:35:41 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:35:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <200510201600.j9KG04SW012350@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051020153316.025d3ee0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Jerry,

That Kubota plate looks great.  That "hammered" background texture looks 
like it could be a real challenge.

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 20 15:35:21 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:35:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000501c5d5c6$918bdb30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Jerry,
Good lookng engine tag you made there.
Here  a picture of an original Japanese
engine tag.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Satos.jpg

I have the same troubles with the SEL post, just two
in three days. Maybe the sun is shining soon :o)

Regards.
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Hi List,
> I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
> are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
> Rick).
> 
> O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
> been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
> Look Here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
> 
> This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
> Keep the revs down,
> Jerry in South Africa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 20 17:56:37 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43583CC5.7080306@earthlink.net>

Nice looking work Jerry,

I've been getting ready for winter here. Cleaned the garage so I can 
park in it, and work in it. Such a mess I didn't get anything done this 
summer. Got a bunch of stuff in the storage buildings. All of the 
building are of the blue tarp variety. Least it keeps em dry. Also 
trying to get my new (to me) lathe set up so I can test drive it. Shows 
are over around here so I have no pics to share. Might try reading the 
spam. Some if it ain't too bad. :-)

Jeff Allen

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hi List,
>	I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
>are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
>Rick).
>
>	I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
>racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.
>
>	Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!
>
>	Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
>posts there are "tests". 
>
>	What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for winter ?
>
>	I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill Young
>and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting subject.
>All very overdue but have had problems of my own.
>
>	O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
>been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
>Look Here:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
>
>	This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
>Keep the revs down,
>Jerry in South Africa
>
>
>
>	
>
>	
>---
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>
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>
>
>  
>



From gwaugh at wowway.com  Thu Oct 20 18:24:04 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:24:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43584334.6040401@wowway.com>

Well, Jerry, I bet we can all guess pretty well how to spell Model, 
Serial No., H. P., and RPM in Japanese now, eh?

Really neat job you are doing there!

Gene \Elgin, illinois USA

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hi List,
>	I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
>are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
>Rick).
>
>	
>  
>



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 20 18:15:01 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:15:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>

It finally stoped raining in the North East so I have been out cutting up
logs, hauling home, splitting  and stacking fire wood.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> Hi List,
> I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
> are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
> Rick).
>
> I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
> racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.
>
> Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!
>
> Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
> posts there are "tests".
>
> What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for
winter ?
>
> I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill Young
> and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting subject.
> All very overdue but have had problems of my own.
>
> O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
> been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
> Look Here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
>
> This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
> Keep the revs down,
> Jerry in South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 20 20:49:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:49:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl><018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service><BAY5-DAV818F7AC11B9D018E27B2EBB700@phx.gbl>
	<005301c5d476$ebf971f0$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV68056092DF7D42BC845B7BB720@phx.gbl>

Chester..on this page are the last pix's with dimensions of the shaft 
assembly.

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom/4

email if any questions..do you need the fan now?

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Rick, excellent, appreciate the effort, this will make my job so much
> easier, cheers for now,
> Chester from West Aussie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> > Chester..here's the best I can do with what I got..this is just the
> > shaft..other components will be measured ASAP
> >
> > Any questions, just holler,
> >
> > And of course all measurements are in inches and/or decimals there of
> >
> > Might be handy also if once downloaded you clicked on the bigger 
> > picture.
> >
> > Hope this helps and good luck
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/480760660hhdskP
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
> >
> >
> > > Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a
> > > great
> > > help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots
> of
> > > how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> > > fabricating job,
> > > Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
> > >
> > >
> > > >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out
> and
> > > > shot around 20 pix's
> > > >
> > > > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a 
> > > > while
> > > > to
> > > > digest them.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the 
> > > > fan
> > > assy.
> > > > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp
> but
> > > > it's a 4 1/2.
> > > >
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and 
> > > > I
> > > don't
> > > > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> > > >
> > > > "headed fer the shed"
> > > > RickinMt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Oct 21 07:35:58 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

That's the question I asked last week when I attended the Cool Springs, PA
Swap Meet.
None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area were
not
there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).

Charlie Bryant
(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> It finally stoped raining in the North East so I have been out cutting up
> logs, hauling home, splitting  and stacking fire wood.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
>
>
> > Hi List,
> > I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
> > are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie
and
> > Rick).
> >
> > I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
> > racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.
> >
> > Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!
> >
> > Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
> > posts there are "tests".
> >
> > What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for
> winter ?
> >
> > I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill
Young
> > and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting
subject.
> > All very overdue but have had problems of my own.
> >
> > O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would
have
> > been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
> > Look Here:
> > <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
> >
> > This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've
tried.
> > Keep the revs down,
> > Jerry in South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
> -- 
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>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Oct 21 07:28:09 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:28:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>
	<000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>

Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
Curt Holland


Charles R Bryant wrote:

>None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area were
>not
>there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>
>Charlie Bryant
>(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>
>
>  
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Oct 21 07:31:15 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:31:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	111931597
Message-ID: <013f01c5d64c$1af4da40$0301a8c0@Cam>

Pretty quiet Mate. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> Curt Holland
>
>
> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>
>>None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area were
>>not
>>there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>>
>>Charlie Bryant
>>(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Oct 21 08:14:52 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:14:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>111931597
	<013f01c5d64c$1af4da40$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <005501c5d652$31006920$0e84dccb@oemcomputer>

Can't you sleep either.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:31
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> Pretty quiet Mate. Cam
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
>
>
> > Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> > Curt Holland
> >
> >
> > Charles R Bryant wrote:
> >
> >>None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area
were
> >>not
> >>there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
> >>
> >>Charlie Bryant
> >>(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Oct 21 10:10:08 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:10:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <005501c5d652$31006920$0e84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>111931597	<013f01c5d64c$1af4da40$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<005501c5d652$31006920$0e84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <435920F0.3010003@imc-group.com>

All those sheep in Oz and you guys can't catch a wink  :-)
Curt Holland
P.S. You're supposed to count them not....oh never mind....

edd payne wrote:

>Can't you sleep either.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Oct 21 10:20:57 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:20:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>	<000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>

Charlie,
Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.JPG
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Curt wrote:

> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> Curt Holland
>
>
> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>
>> None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area 
>> were
>> not
>> there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>>
>> Charlie Bryant
>> (from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Oct 21 10:25:59 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:25:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <20051021.133627.896.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Charlie,

Sorry to see no one from the list was at Coolspring.

But then - I only attend the Summer show.

Guess I didn't miss much.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        
As for "Where is everyone ?"
I guess it's been a little slow on the list but there are a few projects
going on.
Rick Strobel has a 4.5 HP New Way on the bench and is putting out some
nice pics.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
\/)"(\/             confuse them."
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:32:49 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:32:49
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Where is everyone ? Eng. plate 
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510212137328.SM01656@new>

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:35:41 -0700
From: Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?

Jerry,

That Kubota plate looks great.  That "hammered" background texture looks 
like it could be a real challenge.
Regards,
Larry Evans

Hi Larry, 
	Obviously you recognise the plate as being for Bill. Thanks for pasing it on.
The hammered background is actually a "mistake" but looks very good. It
happens when the etching solution starts getting a bit old and has stood a
while since being last used. I cannot control it but am starting to keep my
"old" solution in case I need to get the effect again.
Regards
Jerry (the "other" Evans)
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:33:02 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:33:02
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL - Where is everyone ?Engine plate 
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510212137796.SM00456@new>

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:35:21 +0200
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?

Hi Jerry,
Good lookng engine tag you made there.
Here  a picture of an original Japanese
engine tag.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Satos.jpg

I have the same troubles with the SEL post, just two
in three days. Maybe the sun is shining soon :o)

Regards.
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web

Hi John
	Thanks for the pic - is that the engine I saw on your site recently that
warms up with charcoal? Nice plate.
Regards
Jerry

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:31:55 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:31:55
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL - Where is everyone ? 
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051021213155.009b77f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:47:43 EDT
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Message-ID: <103.6c611c02.30896a7f at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi Jerry,
That's a nice looking engine name plate.  Do you have the engine?
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA

No Ron, It is for Bill Young in Japan - Larry Evans passed my name on to
him and he has ordered a number of plates from me for Kubota engines.
Jerry
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:33:34 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:33:34
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Where is everyone ?Spam
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510212137328.SM01656@new>

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0600
From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?

Nice looking work Jerry,

 Might try reading the spam. Some if it ain't too bad. :-)
Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff,
	Problem with the spam is its all the same thing. If I replied to it I
could probably enlarge a certain part of my anatomy to gigantic
proportions, produce gallons of ........ all night long and keep various
shady ladies very happy for hours on end. :-)
	Then of course there are the Nigerian 419 scams - you could have a bit of
fun with them if you keep your wits about yourself.
	Personally I prefer to read the SEL.
Regards
Jerry

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 21 14:17:27 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:17:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <157.5bb99f17.308ab4e7@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/20/2005 5:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<< What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for 
winter ? >>


Hey Jerry, I had the same thoughts as you but not posted anything either.

Took the old engines and junk to an apple festival show last Saturday and had 
a great time with a small but steady crowd all day.  Weather was great and we 
sure enjoyed the day out.

Been getting ready for Blue Ridge Folk Festival at Ferrum College, Virginia 
tomorrow but it looks like it will be rained out.  It has been cool and drizzle 
today, supposedly steady rain overnight and into tomorrow so we will probably 
not pull out at 5am like  usual.  Will sadly miss the show which is our last 
one for the year and it brings 20,000+spectators for the one day!

Maybe you could post us some step photos and information on the process you 
go thru to make those beautiful tags.  Maybe that would start the chatter among 
us!   

Have a good weekend!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct 21 12:59:59 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:59:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
	<43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Curt,
Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JPG

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.




> Charlie,
> Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.JPG
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Oct 22 06:22:01 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:22:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
Message-ID: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>

A fellow shows up at my place last weekend with a 3HP type M in the back 
of his truck. He is a farmer just around the corner from me and knows 
virtually nothing about gas engines. Someone around here told the poor 
guy I did! lol
 It apparently belonged to his wife's grandfather who passed away many 
years ago. Since then the engine has sat under the work bench at the 
home farm until her father asked if anyone wanted it.
The engine is in good shape with everything fairly free and complete and 
has what looks to be an original clutch pulley. It has the original Wico 
mag and spark plug ignition system and has some spark.
 Interesting modification which consists of a bracket bolted to the top 
of the water hopper attached to a chain which runs down to the governor 
v guide that the fingers ride in. Holes have been drilled in it and 
attached to hold it tight against the mains. The main function of this 
engine was to drive a wood lathe.
There is no plate on the engine so I was wondering if type M engines had 
the serial number anywhere else on them?
No, it is not for sale :-( but he wants to "get it going" .

thanks,
Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 22 06:07:57 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:07:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <023d01c5d709$a07f4520$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Hi Curt,
> Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
> Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.J
PG


Hi John, 
It appears that Steve might have tried to sneak the last of Missy's previous
six-pack, as evidenced by the bandage on the back of his hand.  You'd think that
at his age he would know better. 

Rob




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Oct 22 06:24:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:24:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
References: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Duncan,
The plate or engine tag is the only place that bears the serial #.
The Wico's came in late 1923, so the engine couldn't be older.
I always am curious what people have built to the engine,
especially the M's, so if it's possible for you to take a picture
of the setup it would be great.
Thanks in advance,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> A fellow shows up at my place last weekend with a 3HP type M in the back 
> of his truck. He is a farmer just around the corner from me and knows 
> virtually nothing about gas engines. Someone around here told the poor 
> guy I did! lol
>  It apparently belonged to his wife's grandfather who passed away many 
> years ago. Since then the engine has sat under the work bench at the 
> home farm until her father asked if anyone wanted it.
> The engine is in good shape with everything fairly free and complete and 
> has what looks to be an original clutch pulley. It has the original Wico 
> mag and spark plug ignition system and has some spark.
>  Interesting modification which consists of a bracket bolted to the top 
> of the water hopper attached to a chain which runs down to the governor 
> v guide that the fingers ride in. Holes have been drilled in it and 
> attached to hold it tight against the mains. The main function of this 
> engine was to drive a wood lathe.
> There is no plate on the engine so I was wondering if type M engines had 
> the serial number anywhere else on them?
> No, it is not for sale :-( but he wants to "get it going" .
> 
> thanks,
> Duncan
> 
> -- 
> Duncan Denman
> Ayton, Ontario
> Canada
> Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
> Home Page
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 22 07:22:19 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:22:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BF7F992B.C2DE%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Almost didn't recognize Dave without his suspenders!

Good thing you took the picture with him sitting down...
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 10/21/05 10:20 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:

> Charlie,
> Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.
> JPG
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Curt wrote:
> 
>> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
>> Curt Holland
>> 
>> 
>> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>> 
>>> None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area
>>> were
>>> not
>>> there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>>> 
>>> Charlie Bryant
>>> (from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Oct 22 08:53:00 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:53:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
Message-ID: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>

Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
of the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sat Oct 22 10:21:59 2005
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:21:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20051022132159.01bcb4dc@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 11:53 AM 10/22/05 -0400, you wrote:
>Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
>of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>
>Tommy Turner
>_______________________________________________
 
I've had mine quite a while. Maybe your mailman isn't done reading it yet!


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                 
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com                 
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director  
               Greenwich, OH USA                         
             


From marvhed at ecenet.com  Sat Oct 22 09:45:32 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:45:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
References: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <62402.199.62.0.252.1129999532.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

i haven't seen mine either.

marv in minn


> Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th
> of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 09:57:28 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:57:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5d729$af423570$c563fea9@NP00061BD53524>

Yeah, mine showed up a week ago Tuesday.  Oct 11th. 

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, In

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:53 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM


Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
of the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Oct 22 10:07:31 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:07:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc>

Mine arrived some time ago.

Have had trouble with mail delivery at the business the past 6 or 9 months,
occasional delay with no explanation.  Have gone to using e-mail and fax to
deliver invoices to customers, had a big failure along this line recently,
fortunately the customer is a regular and called us that the invoice did not
arrive in time for monthly processing.  They took care of us anyway.  It
took 10 days to deliver the invoice about 15 miles. 

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:53 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th of
the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Oct 22 10:33:34 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:33:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
Message-ID: <20051022.133342.1116.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Tommy,

My November Issue came 10-15-2k5
I usually get it around the 8th.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 11:37:29 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:37:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051022183810.2613623F351@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Tommy, Looks like the first class shipments got lost in snail mail
heaven. Haven't seen mine yet.  Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:53 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
of the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 12:02:59 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:02:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <62402.199.62.0.252.1129999532.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMKEGKCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>

I too have had mine quite a while Marv.   I'd say at least 2 weeks because I
talked to Bob Banke about his Red Devil ad at least a week ago, and I had it a
while before I called him.

Carl


>From: MARVIN HEDBERG
>i haven't seen mine either.

>marv in minn


> Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th
> of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Oct 22 13:13:00 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:13:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
In-Reply-To: <000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>
	<000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <435A9D4C.9060401@wightman.ca>

I will try and get one John. I told him to be very careful about running 
it like that. Looks like it was meant to hold the engine running at full 
speed.
Thanks for your reply. The funny thing is, most Type M engines I have 
seen have the plate on top of the hopper but I couldn't even find a 
trace that one ever existed.

Duncan



John Hammink wrote:

>Hi Duncan,
>The plate or engine tag is the only place that bears the serial #.
>The Wico's came in late 1923, so the engine couldn't be older.
>I always am curious what people have built to the engine,
>especially the M's, so if it's possible for you to take a picture
>of the setup it would be great.
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Oct 22 12:47:12 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:47:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
In-Reply-To: <435A9D4C.9060401@wightman.ca>
References: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>
	<000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<435A9D4C.9060401@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <e3e8e2feeb606b15b6f1b7ba8de8e058@chartertn.net>

Top front of the hopper, right above the mixer, is where mine is. It's 
in a spot where it's readily banged and crushed, and mine's been pretty 
well battered over the years. It's held on by two rivets.

Don't mean to restart that argument about which end of an engine is the 
"front," but I'm looking from the head end.

John

> The funny thing is, most Type M engines I have seen have the plate on 
> top of the hopper but I couldn't even find a trace that one ever 
> existed.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 22 13:45:11 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:45:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
	<43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
	<001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <1130013911.435aa4d7460dc@webmail.city-net.com>

John,

I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
"coffee" mug?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:

> Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
> Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JPG




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 14:55:02 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:55:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
Message-ID: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Why don't they rename it to start with? Something more honest like 
"Really Cheap Crap", or "Back in the Door with your Pants Down".

My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
did. Check the add for yourself.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
another refund, and another setback. Someday I will get to play with my 
lathe, but doesn't look like anytime soon. Sigh!!

You get what you pay for, and I'll never buy from them again. Time for 
some shopping.

Later,

Jeff Allen



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 22 15:11:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:11:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>

Jeff, 

FWIW, they do clearly state that the stand is specifically designed for THAT
SPECIFIC lathe.  They don't describe it as a general purpose lathe stand.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>:

> My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
> another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
> did. Check the add for yourself.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
> Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
> top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
> another refund, and another setback. 




From rtbush at charter.net  Sat Oct 22 15:28:50 2005
From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:28:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc>
References: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>

This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with mail 
delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes there are 
problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to go 15 miles 
is not acceptable at all. You should call your Postmaster to complain, 
and if you don't get any satisfaction with him or her you should report 
it to the Postal Inspectors. Intentionally delaying First Class Mail is 
an offense not taken lightly. If the problem is management not doing 
their job by insuring that the mail is delivered because of poor 
staffing or unwillingness to pay overtime, that's no excuse. If the 
letter carriers just don't get it all delivered each day then it's up to 
management to correct the situation with route adjustments or help for 
the carrier. A single piece can get lost or misplaced, even a whole tray 
can be misdirected, say to Florida and back, but it shouldn't happen on 
a regular basis.
 We have one of the best Postal Services in the world and should expect 
better service than that. Again, yell and scream until you get results. 
You can try these links for help...  
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php    
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195 
<http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195>  

  
  Good luck
   Bob Bushorr
 Postal employee for 32 years
 

Bill Brueck wrote:

>Mine arrived some time ago.
>
>Have had trouble with mail delivery at the business the past 6 or 9 months,
>occasional delay with no explanation.  Have gone to using e-mail and fax to
>deliver invoices to customers, had a big failure along this line recently,
>fortunately the customer is a regular and called us that the invoice did not
>arrive in time for monthly processing.  They took care of us anyway.  It
>took 10 days to deliver the invoice about 15 miles. 
>
>B?
> 
>Bill Brueck (brick)
>Chatfield, MN, USA
> 
>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>  
>


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 22 15:37:28 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:37:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051022223728.64806.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jeff how about(  Horrible Freight ).
Ron

Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

Why don't they rename it to start with? Something more honest like 
"Really Cheap Crap", or "Back in the Door with your Pants Down".

My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
did. Check the add for yourself.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
another refund, and another setback. Someday I will get to play with my 
lathe, but doesn't look like anytime soon. Sigh!!

You get what you pay for, and I'll never buy from them again. Time for 
some shopping.

Later,

Jeff Allen

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Kersey, PA
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 16:09:00 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:09:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
	<1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <435AC68C.2070600@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

You are correct, but it's hard to tell from the picture. I found one for 
a Grizzly 12 x 36 and they show a clear picture of just the stand. I 
know what I am purchasing, even though it is for their lathe. It's about 
$50 more and that includes shipping. Should be here next week.

Jeff

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Jeff, 
>
>FWIW, they do clearly state that the stand is specifically designed for THAT
>SPECIFIC lathe.  They don't describe it as a general purpose lathe stand.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>:
>
>  
>
>>My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
>>another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
>>did. Check the add for yourself.
>>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
>>Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
>>top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
>>another refund, and another setback. 
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Oct 22 17:57:17 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:57:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
Message-ID: <200510221958602.SM01064@wrbpc>

Bob, thanks for the encouragement.  Indeed next I have an incident that can
be well documented I will follow your suggestion.  Despite the fact that
most of the individuals we encounter in the system are real pleasant and
helpful, we have been stonewalled for years when trying to register a
concern.  For example, the ONLY one not able to access our office from time
to time is the USPS service.  DHL, FedEx, UPS, customers, employees, pesky
salesmen, are all there, some multiple times a day.  Sometimes we don't get
mail delivery, when we call we are just told that they don't have to deliver
where there is construction.  It's kind of hard to prove that there wasn't
construction going on somewhere that day, maybe even a bobcat crossing the
road, (we are in a developing area) and we cannot get past the stock
response of not having to cross construction so we've stopped calling. 

I agree wholeheartedly that we have one of the world's best postal systems.
I do a lot of international business and some travel, folks in some parts of
the world live with much, much worse.  Also said for telephone service, and
Internet reliability.  And police and fire.  And utilities and roads.  And
health care.  And on and on...

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Bushorr
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM

This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with mail
delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes there are
problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to go 15 miles is
not acceptable at all. You should call your Postmaster to complain, and if
you don't get any satisfaction with him or her you should report it to the
Postal Inspectors. Intentionally delaying First Class Mail is an offense not
taken lightly. If the problem is management not doing their job by insuring
that the mail is delivered because of poor staffing or unwillingness to pay
overtime, that's no excuse. If the letter carriers just don't get it all
delivered each day then it's up to management to correct the situation with
route adjustments or help for the carrier. A single piece can get lost or
misplaced, even a whole tray can be misdirected, say to Florida and back,
but it shouldn't happen on a regular basis.
 We have one of the best Postal Services in the world and should expect
better service than that. Again, yell and scream until you get results. 
You can try these links for help...  
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php    
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_s
id=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195
<http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
sid=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195>  

  
  Good luck
   Bob Bushorr
 Postal employee for 32 years
 

Bill Brueck wrote:

>Mine arrived some time ago.
>
>Have had trouble with mail delivery at the business the past 6 or 9 
>months, occasional delay with no explanation.  Have gone to using 
>e-mail and fax to deliver invoices to customers, had a big failure 
>along this line recently, fortunately the customer is a regular and 
>called us that the invoice did not arrive in time for monthly 
>processing.  They took care of us anyway.  It took 10 days to deliver the
invoice about 15 miles.
>
>B?
> 
>Bill Brueck (brick)
>Chatfield, MN, USA
> 
>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>  
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Oct 22 18:20:26 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:20:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
References: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc> <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
Message-ID: <435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>

Bob,

    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class.  
I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell 
me there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay 
about twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book 
rate arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard 
Backus.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Bob Bushorr wrote:

> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with 
> mail delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes 
> there are problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to 
> go 15 miles is not acceptable at all.





From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Oct 22 19:39:39 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:39:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tractor stuff
Message-ID: <435AF7EB.4070103@wightman.ca>

Since it is kind of slow lately, here are some pics of a plow day I was 
invited to by one of my distant neighbours. We had a great time and it 
was a good chance to give the John Deere a workout.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/temp.html

And here are the two latest aquistions in the tractor line up. They are 
fun and useful for moving engine stuff around.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/temp2.html

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 18:42:03 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:42:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051023014224.7D82823F500@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Tommy, Maybe the first class subscription mags never left the publishers.
Thanks for being our representative . Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca 94945

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:20 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Bob,

    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class.  
I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell 
me there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay 
about twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book 
rate arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard 
Backus.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Bob Bushorr wrote:

> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with 
> mail delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes 
> there are problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to 
> go 15 miles is not acceptable at all.



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From oiseming at moscow.com  Sat Oct 22 19:12:08 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:12:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200510230212.j9N2CHiO022329@mail-gw.fsr.net>

If it's any comfort, may I suggest it's a problem with the USPS?  

We recently received a letter from Lowell Wagner.  I wondered why he should
be getting in touch because the two of us didn't have any deals hanging.  

So, I opened the envelope (It had already been ripped open and taped shut,
again.) and inside was a letter advising that Classic Tractors would be
featuring the 2005 Arizona Flywheelers Show.  

The problem was, the broadcast had been a month earlier.  I looked at the
postmark and, sure enough, the letter had been out there in limbo for over a
month.  

A week ago we got the cover to a catalog in the mail.  That's it, just the
cover.  All the pages in between were gone.  

Yesterday, we got a JC Whitney catalog--sort of.  We got half the pages.
Oh, all the pages were there, all right, but only the half of the page
closest to the spine was there.  It looked like it had a near miss with a
paper shredder.  

The Model A Ford Club of America hasn't started packaging their "Restorer"
in plastic, yet.  Too bad.  Almost every issue we get is ripped and creased
in one hopeless way or another.  

Your GEM?  Most likely it's either shredded to dust or on top of somebody
else's night stand.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:20 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Bob,

    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class.  
I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell 
me there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay 
about twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book 
rate arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard 
Backus.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Bob Bushorr wrote:

> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with 
> mail delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes 
> there are problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to 
> go 15 miles is not acceptable at all.



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From reb at apex.net  Sat Oct 22 19:21:38 2005
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie Bauer)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:21:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
References: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc> <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
	<435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5d778$7fe55330$0202a8c0@Dads>

Tommy, I got mine on the 15 3rd class. I got broke twenty plus years ago on 
the 1 st class joke. I went through this same conversation with friends then 
and decided I was being took.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM


> Bob,
>
>    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class. 
> I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
> his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
> least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell me 
> there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay about 
> twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book rate 
> arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard Backus.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Bob Bushorr wrote:
>
>> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with mail 
>> delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes there are 
>> problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to go 15 miles 
>> is not acceptable at all.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From bdb at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 22 12:29:23 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:29:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <002201c5d73e$e87dcd30$3345d70c@VALUED20606295>

Hey guys, I have been working on a 3 hp round rod Galloway for several months and am about ready to start painting. Does anyone have a picture of one of these with all the pin striping , all I have is the picture in Wendel's book. I know they are really beautiful when done right. Also does anyone have the specs for the gas tank for this engine and is anyone making these tanks. I am also having trouble deciding if I want to take the sub base off before putting the engine on the cart , any thoughts guys. BTW I received an email from Reg Ingold saying that he still hasn't got his castings from Bob Bromps  I wonder if anyone else is having this kind of trouble with Bromps.
Thanks, Barry


Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com

From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Oct 22 14:48:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:48:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <BF7F992B.C2DE%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
	<BF7F992B.C2DE%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051022174645.02277b98@mail.alltel.net>

The show had not started when Curt took this picture!
         Dave

At 10:22 AM 10/22/2005, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>Almost didn't recognize Dave without his suspenders!
>
>Good thing you took the picture with him sitting down...
>--
>Kelley Garcia
>La Habra, Ka.
>USA
>
>
>
>On 10/21/05 10:20 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>
> > Charlie,
> > Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.
> > JPG
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> >
> > Curt wrote:
> >
> >> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> >> Curt Holland
> >>
> >>
> >> Charles R Bryant wrote:
> >>
> >>> None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area
> >>> were
> >>> not
> >>> there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
> >>>
> >>> Charlie Bryant
> >>> (from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Oct 22 15:22:37 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:22:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051022181920.0468a050@mail.alltel.net>


>You get what you pay for, and I'll never buy from them again. Time for 
>some shopping.
>Later,
>Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff, And you got EXACTLY what you paid for. HF can not take 
responsibility for those who can not read or who do not know what words mean!
         Dave
PS, The mistake was YOURS, and they gave you your money back--what the hell 
more do you want?
PPS, Are you a DEMOCRAT?



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Oct 22 17:27:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:27:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AC68C.2070600@earthlink.net>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
	<1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>
	<435AC68C.2070600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051022202509.046c4430@mail.alltel.net>

Ah yes Jeff, HF needs to make the pictures more clear for those of us who 
can't read and/or don't know what words mean.
         Dave
PS, Are you a DEMOCRAT?

At 07:09 PM 10/22/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Arnie,
>
>You are correct, but it's hard to tell from the picture.
>Jeff
>
>fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>>Jeff,
>>FWIW, they do clearly state that the stand is specifically designed for THAT
>>SPECIFIC lathe.  They don't describe it as a general purpose lathe stand.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Quoting Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>:
>>
>>
>>
>>>My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
>>>another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
>>>did. Check the add for yourself.
>>>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
>>>Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
>>>top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
>>>another refund, and another setback.
>>
>>
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From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Oct 23 02:11:45 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:11:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
References: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
	<62402.199.62.0.252.1129999532.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <006801c5d7b1$cc3f4950$6837e83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

Got mine last week.
Dan in NC
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM


>i haven't seen mine either.
>
> marv in minn
>
>
>> Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th
>> of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 23 04:22:08 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:22:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Say Arnie didn't the Ford Truck dealer give you a new "red coffee mug" to 
replace the "yellow jeep coffee mug"????
Curt


> John,
> 
> I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
> "coffee" mug?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:
> 
> > Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
> > Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
> >
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JP
> G
> 
> 
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Sun Oct 23 05:24:29 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:24:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: GEM index?  Taylor ever covered?
Message-ID: <000701c5d7cc$b74ffce0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

>> Is there a comprehensive index to past years' issues of Gas Engine
Magazine?
>> I'm wondering if/when they published any stories on Taylor Vacuum
Engines.

>Yep, contact...
>R.D.HEIDL  2816 S.CAMPBELL ST. SANDUSKY,OHIO 44870
>
>He's put the entire GEM index onto CD as an Excel spreadsheet that is
>easily searched.  I think he charges something like $5 for the CD.
>
>There are 13 references to Taylor Vacuum Engines; earliest in Vol. 7 and
>latest in Vol. 35.

Thanks, Arnie!  Does the index show what type of item it is?  E.g. are any
of the 13 references actual articles, or might the be mailbag letters, or
for sale ads?

Thanks,
Rick I.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct 23 05:45:37 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:45:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02cf01c5d7cf$ac674ba0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
> another refund, and another setback. Someday I will get to 
> play with my lathe, but doesn't look like anytime soon. Sigh!!


>From Rex on the Logan Lathe mailing list:

"Speaking of benches, last time I was in Home Depot they had some new 
workbenches. They were about 5-ft long, about 30" deep, steel bases with 
a couple of drawers, on big casters. Top was 2" wood and overhung the 
ends. For $115."

"This looked like it was made with a lathe in mind. It was all I 
could do not to leave with a couple.  May go back yet."





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Oct 23 06:05:52 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:05:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051023130551.HDTU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Since it is a little quiet at the moment, here is an example of a very fine
piece of work:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/2004_0304stovercarb200
02.JPG
This is the new throttle-governed carby Edd has made for my YC Stover. Edd
has fabricated this from scratch using the one off his engine as a pattern:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061420.JPG

The new carby works as good as it looks as my YC is now running on it :)


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 23 06:31:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:31:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <002201c5d73e$e87dcd30$3345d70c@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV195D9B7C32EA81BD25706BB740@phx.gbl>

Barry..here's a pix of a 5 off an original flyer.  Don't know how anyone in 
their right mind would say it's wrong for your three.  I know gotta change 
the 5 to a 3:-)))

http://image12.webshots.com/13/1/63/81/138616381AmaPJX_ph.jpg

Would like to see pix's of your 3....and I'd keep the base on..too my 
knowledge the ones without bases were used on sawing outfits and such.

hope this helps
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdb" <bdb at mchsi.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


Hey guys, I have been working on a 3 hp round rod Galloway for several 
months and am about ready to start painting. Does anyone have a picture of 
one of these with all the pin striping , all I have is the picture in 
Wendel's book. I know they are really beautiful when done right. Also does 
anyone have the specs for the gas tank for this engine and is anyone making 
these tanks. I am also having trouble deciding if I want to take the sub 
base off before putting the engine on the cart , any thoughts guys. BTW I 
received an email from Reg Ingold saying that he still hasn't got his 
castings from Bob Bromps  I wonder if anyone else is having this kind of 
trouble with Bromps.
Thanks, Barry


Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Oct 23 07:01:40 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:01:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
In-Reply-To: <20051023130551.HDTU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <200510231401.j9NE1ks5079515@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Wow!  That is one mighty fine piece of work.  My hat is off in respect for
Edd's craftsmanship.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 6:06 AM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover

Since it is a little quiet at the moment, here is an example of a very fine
piece of work:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/2004_0304stovercarb200
02.JPG
This is the new throttle-governed carby Edd has made for my YC Stover. Edd
has fabricated this from scratch using the one off his engine as a pattern:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061420.JPG

The new carby works as good as it looks as my YC is now running on it :)


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/






From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 23 07:15:28 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:15:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <1a4.4236530c.308cf500@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/23/2005 9:31:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< This is the new throttle-governed carby Edd has made for my YC Stover >

Patrick,

That is a great piece of work Edd has done.  Did he weld up a bunch of pieces 
to form the box and then start machining/grinding or is it some type of 
casting?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Oct 23 07:14:37 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:14:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051023.101521.572.0.jlb94@juno.com>

WOW !!!
That is some nice looking work.

Who Edd made that ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 08:47:26 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:47:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>

Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
following distribution:

20% - Tod Engine - 25%
20% - Internal Fire 25%
20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
performance)
20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
Trip(my chosen recipient)

I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
followed up with me to date on that.

In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
have to act.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 09:33:36 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:33:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


>From: Spencer Yost

>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
> has a stellar financial performance)

Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving less
money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple of
years, they had an "interim" CEO who served something like 8 months and got a
"golden parachute" of over a million bucks!    There are LOTS better choices
than the Red Cross!
Carl




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 11:16:00 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:16:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510231116q17273ee7w6601d7e0757354b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/23/05, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:
>

Spencer:

Whatever your choices, most folks will go along with you.

I seem to remember that there was some problems in getting onto the
auction database at the time?  I remember that I tried a few times and
so did others, without success, there was a problem with a password or
some such thing which didn't work for many of us.

Maybe that is why so few have voted so far.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 11:19:15 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:19:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 10/23/2005 at 9:33 AM Carl Carlsen wrote:

>>From: Spencer Yost
>
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>> has a stellar financial performance)
>

Actually, false.  Here are the facts:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm

The numbers are certainly better than all the other organizations we have
donated to in the past, including Make-a-Wish,. ALS, Heifer, etc

I have heard all the rumors about the Red Cross too.  And I have heard all
the "They didn't give me my cigarettes when I was soldier" stories too.
But a few years ago some actual research and number crunching I did for the
charity auction revealed a well run organization that did more good that
just about all the general emergency response charities put together.  It
was then I realized that the "Red Cross is fiscally irrespionsible" stuff
just isn't true and was based on a few stories that were atypical for the
organization.

While no organization is perfect, they have 4 star rating, 3 star
efficiency and one of the best capacity ratings in the business(means how
much can they actually do).  Very low fund raising expenses for an
organization their size.  Personally, I have never understood all this
"kill the red Cross" stuff I see on these lists considiring every one of us
(or a close family member) has relied on their blood banks.  Also, the did
about 80% of the initial disater work for the hurricances, so I'll earmark
the funds for hurricane relief.

But really - all in all?   They are as well run as humans can manage.  They
are the 300 pound lineman(or big oilfield engine) of charities.   Not
pretty to watch but man, do they both get some work done.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 11:23:15 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:23:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
	<200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>

Whoops!   I forgot to quote and include Carl's post.   My post should read
like this

>>From: Spencer Yost
>
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>> has a stellar financial performance)
>
>Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving
less
>money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple
>of

Actually, false.  Here are the facts:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm

The numbers are certainly better than all the other organizations we have
donated to in the past, including Make-a-Wish,. ALS, Heifer, etc

I have heard all the rumors about the Red Cross too.  And I have heard all
the "They didn't give me my cigarettes when I was soldier" stories too.
But a few years ago some actual research and number crunching I did for the
charity auction revealed a well run organization that did more good that
just about all the general emergency response charities put together.  It
was then I realized that the "Red Cross is fiscally irrespionsible" stuff
just isn't true and was based on a few stories that were atypical for the
organization.

While no organization is perfect, they have 4 star rating, 3 star
efficiency and one of the best capacity ratings in the business(means how
much can they actually do).  Very low fund raising expenses for an
organization their size.  Personally, I have never understood all this
"kill the red Cross" stuff I see on these lists considiring every one of us
(or a close family member) has relied on their blood banks.  Also, the did
about 80% of the initial disater work for the hurricances, so I'll earmark
the funds for hurricane relief.

But really - all in all?   They are as well run as humans can manage.  They
are the 300 pound lineman(or big oilfield engine) of charities.   Not
pretty to watch but man, do they both get some work done.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 11:43:20 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:43:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510231116q17273ee7w6601d7e0757354b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6f6025160510231116q17273ee7w6601d7e0757354b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200510231443200734.043C4770@heavyiron.atis.net>

Actually, 65 people registered, all of which logged on and viewed the
polling page where they place their vote.   Only 15 of them chose to vote
though.   The voting was interrupted at the very end by the server outage,
but by then it was already a foregone conclusion that no one was taking the
voting seriously.

I did hear of a few technical problems with Firefox and the security code
not showing up, but that was(depending on who you talk too), a bug in
Mozilla (aka Firefox), libpng, or others.  This was specific to an older
version and out of my control.  Upgrading Firefox fixed it.   Older IE
sometimes rendered the image "out of focus" for lack of a better phrase
too.   This was a known gamma and transparency bug in IE and should only
affect very old versions(less than 6.0 SP 1) .

By the way, I could only restore some of the user accounts, (about 35), so
if you visit the site again you may have to re-register.


Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/23/2005 at 7:16 PM Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 10/23/05, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never
>have
>> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self
respect,
>> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>> following distribution:
>>
>
>Spencer:
>
>Whatever your choices, most folks will go along with you.
>
>I seem to remember that there was some problems in getting onto the
>auction database at the time?  I remember that I tried a few times and
>so did others, without success, there was a problem with a password or
>some such thing which didn't work for many of us.
>
>Maybe that is why so few have voted so far.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
>_______________________________________________
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From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 12:55:57 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:55:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


>From: Spencer Yost


>>From: Spencer Yost
>
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>> has a stellar financial performance)
>
>Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving
less
>money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple
>of

>Actually, false.  Here are the facts:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm

Well Spencer, I'm not going to get into a peeing contest with you on the list,
but what would you expect from a website which SUPPORTS the Red Cross.  There
are many others who dispute it, but damned if I'm going to spend the time doing
it now ... I've seen them before and that's good enough for me.  Think as you
wish .. it's a free country.

I just know that I do NOT give anything which passes through the Red Cross.

Carl




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Oct 23 14:06:39 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:06:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00b601c5d815$a9bd3770$64bed2cc@pengy>

Thanks Spencer and everyone on the ATIS lists.  We are very apprciative of 
the donations from the Charity Auction over the past few years.  It 
certainly is put to good use preserving lots of old iron.  Two things that 
will happen quite soon will be the moving of the final four large pieces of 
the Tod to the museum and extension of electrical service to the museum 
property.  Both are important projects and with the help of all the 
contributions that we have recieved this year these can be accomplished.

Thanks again everyone.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions


> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never 
> have
> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:
>
> 20% - Tod Engine - 25%
> 20% - Internal Fire 25%
> 20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
> occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
> performance)
> 20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
> 10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
> Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
> I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
> not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, 
> I
> have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
> system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
> input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
> I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
> followed up with me to date on that.
>
> In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
> idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
> will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so 
> if
> anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
> consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
> have to act.
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 14:11:08 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:11:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200510231711080734.04C39810@heavyiron.atis.net>

>Well Spencer, I'm not going to get into a peeing contest with you on the
>list,
>but what would you expect from a website which SUPPORTS the Red Cross. 
>There


While I agree we should drop it, but I do need to clear Charity Navigator's
name and correct your statement.   CharityNavigator.com is completely
independent of the Red Cross and does not favor it, or any other of the
thousands of charities it rates.  From their mission statement:

"Charity Navigator, America's premier independent 
charity evaluator, works to advance a more efficient 
and responsive philanthropic marketplace by 
evaluating the financial health of America's largest charities."

They do NOT support the Red Cross.  They only critique the financials as
gleaned from all the organizations' tax documents.

I do respect your opinion, I appreciate you sharing your view and we'll
agree to disagree.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From asouth at strato.net  Sun Oct 23 14:29:38 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:29:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: One More Time
Message-ID: <007d01c5d818$dfd39f90$2321d7cc@ARTHUR>

Hello List(s),
With hurricane Wilma taking aim at South Florida, I think it's time for us to tip toe out the door and go to my brother's house since it is concrete block. I have been cured of trying to ride out a hurricane in a mobile home. The radio in Port Charlotte Fla. says we can expect 55 to 70 MPH winds. That's strong enough for me to go somewhere else. I'll be back in a day or two, utilities permitting, to see what you guys and gals have been talking about. Any other Floridians in harms way, good luck to ya.

Arthur







Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 

From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 14:40:03 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:40:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <435C0333.1030405@earthlink.net>

Hi Spencer,

If I had known any money would go to the Red Cross, I would not have 
donated to the auctions. We do have a list member that helped victims of 
the first hurricane, and then was hit by one. Perhaps the 20% for the 
Red Cross could go to his church for hurricane relief. Last I heard the 
Red Cross never showed up in Sulpher, Louisiana. A few snips below.

Jeff Allen
P.S. All the other choices are good ones.
P.P.S. Decided to keep the snips to on list posts. Left the off list 
personal message out.

>Here I go once again , pushing my luck by posting this to the LIST .On 
>9-2-05 I gave a update as to what was happening in my home town of Sulphur , 
>La and there was quite a response about the concern for helping those in 
>need of help, without throughing away their money to charity originations 
>that has high maintenance folks on their payroll .On 9-12-05 I received a 
>LARGE cash donation from Tom Schmutz in Virginia and today , 9-13-05 
>received another LARGE check from Jeff Allen in Colorado to give where it 
>will help those in need , and folks , you can`t image the response from 
>those that will use the money .They can`t believe people who they have never 
>seen and will probably  never meet ( like myself  ) opened their pocketbooks 
>and showed their kindness toward mankind .
> We may have our ups and downs on this list but you know what , when the 
>chips are down  , this is one group of guys ( and gals ) that will help 
>their fellow man for whatever it takes .
>  The Hurricane has come and gone , FEMA has come and gone , and we still 
>have thousands of homeless that can`t get the help our government has 
>promised and probably never will because they are too busy patting each 
>other on the back for such a good job they done .So , if you have any of 
>these unfortunate folks in your area , put yourself in there place for just 
>a little while and try to lend a helping hand as I am sure they will 
>appericate it .
> Again , thanks to Tom and Jeff for there most generous donations and thank 
>all of you for your PRAYERS and thoughts and for helping me help someone in 
>despertate need .
>
>Bo Hinch 
>
>Good morning to all my friends around the world .As most of you know by now 
>,we have another hurricane in the gulf of mexico knocking on our door and 
>fixing to come in , wanted or not . My family and employes have left this 
>part of the state and I will be leaving in about a hour or so . Hope to be 
>able to give you an update tomorrow evening but the way things are looking 
>at the moment , that may not be possible for awhile as the eastern part of 
>the eye will be passing over Sulphur in the early morning hours of saturday 
>with a lot of wind , rain and tornados . If it is against your nature to 
>Pray , at least keep your fingers crossed for ALL of us in southeast texas 
>and southwest louisiana .
>
>Till Later ( I hope )
>
>Bo Hinch 
>
> You are correct Charlie , we took a very hard hit . My home has a 
> little damage , my business has MAJOR damage and our federal 
> government won`t let me back to began making necessary repairs as it 
> is unsafe for whatever that means .Have had no help from the red cross 
> ( didn`t expect it ) and no help from fema ( didn`t expect that either 
> ).In the mean time , I have thousands of dollars of parts being ruined 
> because I can`t get back to make necessary repairs to my building to 
> protect them . We have no water , gas , electricity and very little 
> food .Went to axlendra la yesterday to find gas for the generator and 
> had to pull out my 38 to protect myself and family from a couple of 
> thugs . If I wouldn`t of had it behind my seat , I would be history 
> today .It may be a while before I can respond again so if you would be 
> so kind , please pass this on to all the list .As I have also ask for 
> before , I am asking again , PLEASE keep all of us in your daily 
> thoughts and prayers as times a!
> re tough and thanks to our federal government , its probably going to 
> be a lot worse before it gets better.
> Bo Hinch in hot , wet war torn southwest louisiana




 
Spencer Yost wrote:

>Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
>to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
>wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>following distribution:
>
>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>performance)
>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
>I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
>not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
>have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
>system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
>input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
>I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
>followed up with me to date on that.
>
>In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
>idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
>will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
>anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
>consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
>have to act.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Oct 23 15:07:31 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:07:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>	<200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <435C09A3.70900@scrtc.com>

I have to give a thumbs up to the Red Cross as well.  After the '97 
tornado, they were in my local community for a couple of weeks helping 
serve meals, providing drinking water, etc.  I really appreciate the 
assistance they gave and they are on our annual "donation" list.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Whoops!   I forgot to quote and include Carl's post.   My post should read
>like this
>
>  
>
>>>From: Spencer Yost
>>>      
>>>
>>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>>>has a stellar financial performance)
>>>      
>>>
>>Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving
>>    
>>
>less
>  
>
>>money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple
>>of
>>    
>>
>
>Actually, false.  Here are the facts:
>
>http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm
>
>The numbers are certainly better than all the other organizations we have
>donated to in the past, including Make-a-Wish,. ALS, Heifer, etc
>
>I have heard all the rumors about the Red Cross too.  And I have heard all
>the "They didn't give me my cigarettes when I was soldier" stories too.
>But a few years ago some actual research and number crunching I did for the
>charity auction revealed a well run organization that did more good that
>just about all the general emergency response charities put together.  
>
>
>  
>


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sun Oct 23 16:31:48 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:31:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net><200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <003401c5d829$f0c79e80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions


> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.





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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sun Oct 23 16:43:21 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:43:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net><200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c5d82b$8df71220$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Spencer,

I was greatly elated to see donation to the Les Turner  ALS foundation in
honor of Bernie Hartmann
I just wish I had saved some of the messages related to Bernie to share with
you all.
Bernie contributed greatly to the hobby even during his illness with ALS.
His wife
Jan is having a great battle with cancer but has kept his engines and is
still very
active in our club.  Due to health reasons and my move from MO to Maine I
did
not contribute to the auction like I had in past years. You can be assured I
will next
year though. Thanks Spencer.

Charlie Bryant
>From the Woods of Maine
Where its Now Moose Hunting Season


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions


> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)


www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sun Oct 23 15:44:27 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>

Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?

GAry

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Say Arnie didn't the Ford Truck dealer give you a new "red coffee mug" to 
> replace the "yellow jeep coffee mug"????
> Curt
> 
> 
> 
>>John,
>>
>>I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
>>"coffee" mug?  8-))
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:
>>
>>
>>>Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
>>>Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
>>>
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JP
>>G
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Oct 23 16:59:23 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:59:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <20051023.200406.1308.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?
=        =        =        =        =        =        

I'm not sure - But - I ass u me the Bessie has something to do with it.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct 23 17:55:02 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:55:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051023205410.0471aae8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Spencer, Thank you for what you do!
         Dave

At 11:47 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
>to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
>wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>following distribution:
>
>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>performance)
>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
>I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
>not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
>have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
>system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
>input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
>I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
>followed up with me to date on that.
>
>In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
>idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
>will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
>anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
>consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
>have to act.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct 23 17:59:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:59:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
	<200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051023205548.0466f440@mail.alltel.net>


>   They
>are the 300 pound lineman(or big oilfield engine) of charities.   Not
>pretty to watch but man, do they both get some work done.
>Spencer Yost

Ah Spencer, I'm beginning to think you have a "thing" re: "big oil field 
engine[s]." If you really want one for your own please contact me off List 
and perhaps good things will happen!
         Dave



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Oct 23 18:25:08 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:25:08 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
In-Reply-To: <1a4.4236530c.308cf500@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051024012509.KUQT5164.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Edd Payne is well known for his excellent work. The whole carby is
fabricated with no castings! Edd made the box out of steel and then made all
the fittings. The internals are a little tricky but he has done an excellent
job. 
More pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


Patrick,

That is a great piece of work Edd has done.  Did he weld up a bunch of
pieces 
to form the box and then start machining/grinding or is it some type of 
casting?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Sun Oct 23 18:32:14 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:32:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net><200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051023205410.0471aae8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <009b01c5d83a$c5207a70$0e498347@D6R3D961>

I trust Spencer will choose and follow through in a responsible manor.
The charities mentioned sound just fine to me

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, 
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L. of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ 


>>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>>performance)
>>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>>Trip(my chosen recipient)




From lsain33 at charter.net  Sun Oct 23 19:44:12 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:44:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley
Message-ID: <056a01c5d844$d1969690$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to free up a clutch pulley on a 7 HP Witte, but with little success.  The pulley rotates freely on the shaft, ie, not engaged, and the inner workings of the clutch are rusted tight.  I'm soaking the insides with PB Blaster and being patient.  If I could get the pulley off I could work on it much more easily, but I can't figure out how it is attached to the shaft.  Anyone out there with diagrams, hints, or other advice?  Thanks in advance.

Larry in Cat Square, NC


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct 23 21:29:42 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:29:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <034901c5d853$8f424fa0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:


You're doing a good thing, Spencer. 














From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Oct 23 22:58:05 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:58:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <435C77ED.4090000@comcast.net>

Spencer Yost wrote:

>Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
>to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
>wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>following distribution:
>
>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>performance)
>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
>I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
>not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
>have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
>system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
>input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
>I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
>followed up with me to date on that.
>
>In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
>idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
>will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
>anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
>consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
>have to act.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
I agree that the AMERICAN Red Cross is a great,and responsible institution.

The International Red Cross, on the other hand, are a bunch of lying, 
theiving crooks.Better to help here at home!

UNICEF: You meant well, but anything remotely connected to the U.N. is, 
corrupt beyond reform.

"Better to keep your money at home"...my .02, I couldn't help myself : 
not meant to be a personal attack!

From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 24 01:48:32 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:48:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
References: 172362967
Message-ID: <003201c5d877$b70d7ef0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi Patrick, what a beautiful job, you are very lucky. Congratulations Edd 
and Darren. Cheers Cam.
PS. Are we going to see it at Young.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] YC Stover


> Edd Payne is well known for his excellent work. The whole carby is
> fabricated with no castings! Edd made the box out of steel and then made 
> all
> the fittings. The internals are a little tricky but he has done an 
> excellent
> job.
> More pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Patrick,
>
> That is a great piece of work Edd has done.  Did he weld up a bunch of
> pieces
> to form the box and then start machining/grinding or is it some type of
> casting?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Oct 24 04:32:17 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:32:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] novo roller
Message-ID: <015e01c5d88e$96ad90c0$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day All 
A mate of mine has an engine i am 99% sure its a Novo Roller, i have some pics up on my webshots page 
it would be good if some one could shed some light on it also its missing the original carby does any one have one 
or have a pic of what should be on it 
thanks Brock    

Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 08:09:57 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241108410.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>

No, but I have since changed "coffee" mug colors to match the truck.  8-))

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Say Arnie didn't the Ford Truck dealer give you a new "red coffee mug" to
> replace the "yellow jeep coffee mug"???>
> >
> > I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
> > "coffee" mug?  8-))



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Oct 24 11:44:32 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:44:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] novo roller
In-Reply-To: <015e01c5d88e$96ad90c0$5f11fea9@merlin>
References: <015e01c5d88e$96ad90c0$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024114328.0264d970@mail.pennswoods.net>

Alliyutue




At 09:32 PM 10/24/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>G,day All
>A mate of mine has an engine i am 99% sure its a Novo Roller, i have 
>some pics up on my webshots page
>it would be good if some one could shed some light on it also its 
>missing the original carby does any one have one
>or have a pic of what should be on it
>thanks Brock
>
>Brock Summerfield
>ACT Australia
>brock at netspeed.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 09:17:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Spencer,

At Portland this year there was a lengthy discussion about setting up a
scholarship in the name of the SEL and having the charity auction proceeds
(or a large chunk) go to that.  Obviously, due to timing issues, that
wouldn't apply to the current planned distribution.

The idea being that folks on the SEL all do their own personal
"charitable" contributions to "worthy charities" and that SEL "charity"
stuff should be related to "stationary engine" things.  The first two
items listed below are in that category.  All of the others are the sorts
of charities that folks give to on their own for their own reasons.

The scholarship would be in some area of "mechanics" akin to stationary
engines.  Perhaps others who were in the discussions would care to
elaborate?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Spencer Yost wrote:

> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:
>
> 20% - Tod Engine - 25%
> 20% - Internal Fire 25%
> 20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
> occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
> performance)
> 20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
> 10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
> Trip (my chosen recipient)


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 10:26:34 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:26:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241259500.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Gary,

YEP!  I really enjoyed having the Bessemer half-breed at Baraboo and
Portland and really appreciated Dave dragging it out for me.  That's OK
once, but not really a fair deal to request on a regular basis.  Add to
that the fact that Steve Webre had a brand new truck and I started to
consider the possibilities.  I was surprised that you could get a great
iron hauler without spending $50K.  The bottom line was that after
Portland I discussed trucks with friend spouse, did some research on the
net, and went shopping.  I looked at and drove Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford,
Toyota, and Nissan (all in the same size class).  I bought the Ford F-150
(a 2005 model, 4X4, off road & tow packages, 5.4L V8, SuperCab, 6.5' bed,
hard tonneau cover).  IMHO, the Ford was clearly the best truck.  PLEASE,
let's NOT start a "best truck" thread.  8-))

In the spring I go shopping for a nice 16' trailer.

Anyone in the market for a cherry 2001 Jeep Wrangler?  The "Rubber Duckie"
is for sale.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Gary Epps wrote:

> Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct 24 11:10:00 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:10:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
Message-ID: <435D2378.9010100@imc-group.com>

SEL and tractor fans,
Fans of all things International Harvester will be pleased to know the 
3rd annual show at Mike Burn's place will be held on October 29th at his 
house.
Mike has an unbelievable collection of large horsepower Mogul engines, 
Famous engines, Mogul tractors, Famous tractors (including s/n #1 
friction drive), an IHC auto, early Harvester grain binder, threshing 
equipment, and numerous smaller IHC and Osborn engines.

In years past it has been a working show (I assume it will be the same 
this year) including the cutting of wheat straw he grew and bound with 
the IHC cutter/binder, the threshing of the straw, and the baling with a 
large IHC hay baler. The thresher is driven with one of the large Mogul 
or Famous/Titan tractors.

In the late morning to early afternoon the tractors are started in the 
fields pulling large plows. There is nothing better than the stack music 
these large tractors make when pulling hard!

If you are into early IHC engines and tractors and seeing them worked as 
they would have been a 100 years ago, then this is the show for you!

Mike's address is 2715 East Georgia Rd. Simpsonville, SC
Or from Mapquest this map can be printed:
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=2715+east+georgia+rd&city=simpsonville&state=sc&zipcode=>
Hopefully that won't long line wrap. If it does just use the address 
above in Mapquest.

If you get lost call Mike on his cell at 864-414-1996

For a primer on what you are going to see here are the links to the 
pictures I took the last tow years.

2004 show:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html

and the 2003 show:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2003/Thumbnails.html

This is NOT a show you bring anything to. There is plenty of Mike's 
stuff to see and watch! The activities will start in the morning 8:00 
ish and usually go until mid-afternoon.

Hope to see many of you there. If you have any questions, email me.
See ya Saturday.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Would someone copy this over to the tractor lists please? I'm not 
on any at the moment.







From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 11:56:35 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:56:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
In-Reply-To: <435D2378.9010100@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F33BA51BC6458B29B31EC61C8770@phx.gbl>

Curt,

Make sure you take pictures!!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

========================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: Oil Field Engine Society mailing 
>list<ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
><stationary-engine at oldengine.org>,        OFES 
><ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [OFES] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:10:00 -0400
>
>SEL and tractor fans,
>Fans of all things International Harvester will be pleased to know the 3rd 
>annual show at Mike Burn's place will be held on October 29th at his house.
>Mike has an unbelievable collection of large horsepower Mogul engines, 
>Famous engines, Mogul tractors, Famous tractors (including s/n #1 friction 
>drive), an IHC auto, early Harvester grain binder, threshing equipment, and 
>numerous smaller IHC and Osborn engines.
>
>In years past it has been a working show (I assume it will be the same this 
>year) including the cutting of wheat straw he grew and bound with the IHC 
>cutter/binder, the threshing of the straw, and the baling with a large IHC 
>hay baler. The thresher is driven with one of the large Mogul or 
>Famous/Titan tractors.
>
>In the late morning to early afternoon the tractors are started in the 
>fields pulling large plows. There is nothing better than the stack music 
>these large tractors make when pulling hard!
>
>If you are into early IHC engines and tractors and seeing them worked as 
>they would have been a 100 years ago, then this is the show for you!
>
>Mike's address is 2715 East Georgia Rd. Simpsonville, SC
>Or from Mapquest this map can be printed:
><http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=2715+east+georgia+rd&city=simpsonville&state=sc&zipcode=>
>Hopefully that won't long line wrap. If it does just use the address above 
>in Mapquest.
>
>If you get lost call Mike on his cell at 864-414-1996
>
>For a primer on what you are going to see here are the links to the 
>pictures I took the last tow years.
>
>2004 show:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html
>
>and the 2003 show:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2003/Thumbnails.html
>
>This is NOT a show you bring anything to. There is plenty of Mike's stuff 
>to see and watch! The activities will start in the morning 8:00 ish and 
>usually go until mid-afternoon.
>
>Hope to see many of you there. If you have any questions, email me.
>See ya Saturday.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>P.S. Would someone copy this over to the tractor lists please? I'm not on 
>any at the moment.
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>OFES mailing list
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct 24 13:01:13 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:01:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F33BA51BC6458B29B31EC61C8770@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F33BA51BC6458B29B31EC61C8770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <435D3D89.4030900@imc-group.com>

Luke,
Have I failed you yet? ;-)
Warm batteries permitting I'll take as many as the last two years. I 
gotta say cold weather and this Olympus camera don't go together.
Curt


Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Make sure you take pictures!!
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 13:53:55 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:53:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/24/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Spencer,
>
> At Portland this year there was a lengthy discussion about setting up a
> scholarship in the name of the SEL and having the charity auction proceeds
> (or a large chunk) go to that.  Obviously, due to timing issues, that
> wouldn't apply to the current planned distribution.
>
> The idea being that folks on the SEL all do their own personal
> "charitable" contributions to "worthy charities" and that SEL "charity"
> stuff should be related to "stationary engine" things.  The first two
> items listed below are in that category.  All of the others are the sorts
> of charities that folks give to on their own for their own reasons.
>
> The scholarship would be in some area of "mechanics" akin to stationary
> engines.  Perhaps others who were in the discussions would care to
> elaborate?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Unfortunately, there is little record of what was discussed this year,
although I do remember a conversation about the Charity proceeds on
the day after the dinner/auction in which the scholarship was
mentioned.

Perhaps we need to set this out a little more formally so that at
least the full-grown idea can be viewed and likely funding needs
discussed?  methinks that it would take more than was raised at this
year's two auctions?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From oldengin at udata.com  Mon Oct 24 14:24:15 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] now pay for play at engine shows.
In-Reply-To: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMMEJKCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMMEJKCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <435D50FF.4060107@udata.com>

Carl Carlsen wrote:

>>From: Curt
>>True to my word I did not pay for or reserve a spot for
>>myself for next year.
>>    
>>
>
>Good for you Curt.  we revolted!   Maybe $5.00 or so to cover postage, entry forms printing
>etc., but not $25.00.   No airplanes, no air-show!    No engines & tractors, no
>engine show!
>
>Carl
>
>
>
>I agree and have sent this to the other list to see if everyone else agrees. I am seeing some of the same things happening right now with tractors as some of them are roped off with signs to do NOT touch!!!!  now I am sorry but if you want to touch a static display,,,,,,, I really see no problem? any one else? Yes people have more than once looked over my junk and have even ask that they run, you already know my answer, and this is still a hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 15:18:29 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:18:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Charity Auction (from Dolly & Jim)
Message-ID: <1130192309.435d5db502d75@webmail.city-net.com>

Passing this along to the list from Dolly as her email is currently FUBAR.

******************
The scholarship idea was originally Leroy's.  It was discussed at Portland and
generally seemed to be an idea everyone approved of.  However, such an
enterprise is NOT without its difficulties, namely the legal aspects of
awarding scholarship funds in a politically correct way.  So we talked to a
group who were raising money for a similar cause, and suggested the possibility
of joining forces with their up and running scheme.  Dave, with his
considerable experience in the American further education system, was getting
in touch with them, but I'm not sure how far it got. I think their connection
between machine shop skills training and old engines was that the engine club
held its meetings in the college. It seemed that if we could say "We are
holding a charity auction and money raised will go to ...." beforehand, it
would probably inspire people to be more generous with a specific aim in mind.


There were a couple of points against it.  First of all, the existing engine
related charities to which the SEL proceeds go, ie the Tod Engine and Internal
Fire, still should get something from what we raise. And of course, for all
that he does, Spencer is free to chose his own particular recipient for some of
the funds. Also, the SEL is NOT exclusively American, so why should the money
go to an American Scholarship? To which the general idea was to TRY, to see if
we can get this to work.  If we can, we could have a general SEL scholarship
fund which could be paid out to a worthy student in any country.  

Ultimately, the skills needed for the restoration of old iron would be being
passed on to a new generation. It was an idea which met with a lot of approval
from those who were at Portland and the input of EVERYONE is really needed on
this. 

Whatever charities there are, there are certain to be dissenting folk - be it
tsunami relief, earthquakes, hurricanes etc.  If we  could find a SPECIFIC
cause for the money we raise which is approved by the majority of the group, it
would help greatly.  

As people have said before, engine-related charities are completely ignored by
the world in general, so if the SEL-raised funds are directed towards our own
hobby, while individuals give to external charities as their conscience
dictates maybe we could feel we are doing our own good in the world! 

Please contribute to this discussion.  As you have seen from the comments for
and against donating money to a well known cause such as the Red Cross, it
seems to be time to focus our fund raising ability.

Let me also add that no one person is driving this.  Leroy had the original
idea, I'm involved because I seem to be the one with the biggest mouth /
keyboard, Dave because of his knowledge of the US education system.  It is not
an ego-driven idea on anyone's behalf, simply a desire to find a universally
approved focus for our efforts.

All and any ideas and comments are welcome ... in fact, they are crucial, so
please, say what you think.

Whatever we do is not going to put anyone through college, but every little
helps and the aim of this would be to further the skills needed in this hobby.

So.  It's 11pm here in England, we're off to bed.  I expect a BRIMMING inbox in
the morning with all your comments!!

Dolly and Jim





From yostsw at atis.net  Mon Oct 24 15:53:49 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:53:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <435C77ED.4090000@comcast.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
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*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 10/24/2005 at 1:58 AM Michael P. Koryciak wrote:
>Spencer Yost wrote:
>
>"Better to keep your money at home"...my .02, I couldn't help myself : 
>not meant to be a personal attack!
>


No problem, thanks for your opinion.   I normally agree with the "at home"
thing, but the weather and inaccessibility of most victims make the
Pakistan quake a particularly difficult tragedy.  Also, The American UNICEF
Fund helps exclusively children, which seem to be especially at risk in
this situation.   On top of that, Pakistan has been a great friend and ally
in a region of the world where we have few.

Also, each country administers/oversees its own UNICEF funds and sends it
own volunteers for the effort.   As to accountability, the American fund is
very transparent and has great financials.  I don't know if the funds in
other countries are as stellar in their performance though; and therefore
UNICEF criticisms often are wielded with a broad brush.  In addition, the
UN's reputation in general taints an otherwise 60 year program with many
wonderful accomplishments.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 16:24:23 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:24:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
Message-ID: <410-2200510124232423656@earthlink.net>

Nice choice Arnie.  What color did you get?

Tim 


> [Original Message]
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/24/2005 1:02:44 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> YEP!  I really enjoyed having the Bessemer half-breed at Baraboo and
> Portland and really appreciated Dave dragging it out for me.  That's OK
> once, but not really a fair deal to request on a regular basis.  Add to
> that the fact that Steve Webre had a brand new truck and I started to
> consider the possibilities.  I was surprised that you could get a great
> iron hauler without spending $50K.  The bottom line was that after
> Portland I discussed trucks with friend spouse, did some research on the
> net, and went shopping.  I looked at and drove Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford,
> Toyota, and Nissan (all in the same size class).  I bought the Ford F-150
> (a 2005 model, 4X4, off road & tow packages, 5.4L V8, SuperCab, 6.5' bed,
> hard tonneau cover).  IMHO, the Ford was clearly the best truck.  PLEASE,
> let's NOT start a "best truck" thread.  8-))
>
> In the spring I go shopping for a nice 16' trailer.
>
> Anyone in the market for a cherry 2001 Jeep Wrangler?  The "Rubber Duckie"
> is for sale.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Gary Epps wrote:
>
> > Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?
>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Oct 24 17:27:04 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:27:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241259500.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>	<435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241259500.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <435D7BD8.8080903@fidnet.com>

It sounds like you dun good!  If the earlier Ford 150 looked as good as 
the new ones do, I might have ended up with one instead of the Tundra. 
I have been really pleased with the Tundra though.

Have fun looking at trailers.  Something in the car hauler style might 
be of interest.  They seem to have lower, to none at all. side rails. 
Or you can build one dedicated to Bessie.

Lots of fun choices.

Gary

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> 
> YEP!  I really enjoyed having the Bessemer half-breed at Baraboo and
> Portland and really appreciated Dave dragging it out for me.  That's OK
> once, but not really a fair deal to request on a regular basis.  Add to
> that the fact that Steve Webre had a brand new truck and I started to
> consider the possibilities.  I was surprised that you could get a great
> iron hauler without spending $50K.  The bottom line was that after
> Portland I discussed trucks with friend spouse, did some research on the
> net, and went shopping.  I looked at and drove Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford,
> Toyota, and Nissan (all in the same size class).  I bought the Ford F-150
> (a 2005 model, 4X4, off road & tow packages, 5.4L V8, SuperCab, 6.5' bed,
> hard tonneau cover).  IMHO, the Ford was clearly the best truck.  PLEASE,
> let's NOT start a "best truck" thread.  8-))
> 
> In the spring I go shopping for a nice 16' trailer.
> 
> Anyone in the market for a cherry 2001 Jeep Wrangler?  The "Rubber Duckie"
> is for sale.  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Gary Epps wrote:
> 
> 
>>Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From asouth at strato.net  Mon Oct 24 19:30:32 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:30:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT:  One More Time Chapter 2
Message-ID: <00f401c5d90c$132dc9d0$9500a8c0@ARTHUR>

We came through okay. Just a few tree limbs on the ground. Thanks to all who sent the well wishes while we were bugging out.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Arthur Southwell 
To: Antique John Deere mailing list ; Antique Tractor List ; Off Topic ; Old Engine.org ; ATIS-SEL 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: OT: One More Time


Hello List(s),
With hurricane Wilma taking aim at South Florida, I think it's time for us to tip toe out the door and go to my brother's house since it is concrete block. I have been cured of trying to ride out a hurricane in a mobile home. The radio in Port Charlotte Fla. says we can expect 55 to 70 MPH winds. That's strong enough for me to go somewhere else. I'll be back in a day or two, utilities permitting, to see what you guys and gals have been talking about. Any other Floridians in harms way, good luck to ya.

Arthur







Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 

From chesnimnus at juno.com  Mon Oct 24 21:24:24 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:24:24 GMT
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
Message-ID: <20051024.212502.2534.38132@webmail31.lax.untd.com>

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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 04:03:40 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:03:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns! Now I got questions.
In-Reply-To: <20051024.212502.2534.38132@webmail31.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F79C04C2F2A410D8C53728C8760@phx.gbl>

Hi Colin,

The LA's and LB are nice running engines. I can only help with two of your 
questions......

Starbolt is another engine supplier

http://www.enginads.com/starbolt/

Not sure if it is the same manual that you have, but there is a manual for 
your engine here:

http://www.oldengine.org/docs/IHC_LA_OM.pdf

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "chesnimnus at juno.com" <chesnimnus at juno.com>
>
>Questions I have:
>
>Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and 
>Binder Books?
>
>Are there any other pieces of literature for it besides the little owner's 
>manual?
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 25 04:39:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:39:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <410-2200510124232423656@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200510124232423656@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510250738460.81571@vegeta.city-net.com>

Red (of course).  8-))

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Tim Christoff wrote:

> Nice choice Arnie.  What color did you get?


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Oct 25 05:38:59 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:38:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
Message-ID: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I have added some more progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Oct 25 06:24:40 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:24:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
In-Reply-To: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <435E3218.8030904@imc-group.com>

Patrick,
Nice pictures and it is really great when someone picture documents the 
journey to getting one running again. Your efforts are our entertainment.
Thanks for sharing.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>I have added some more progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 25 06:29:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:29:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>

Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy. 
I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no 
joy.

  Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp 
Muncie @ Portland?

  Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's 
stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in the 
flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing, 
different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver hitch 
on the truck.

 Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.

"LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)

RickinMt. 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 07:44:42 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:44:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
Message-ID: <1d4.478f10c0.308f9eda@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/24/2005 9:36:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
chesnimnus at juno.com writes:
 

The  smaller ones I have less of a problem finding, but the one big one 
(looks to  be over 2" in diameter) may be a trick to find.  


Collin,
You want a Dorman 550-033 expansion plug which is available at some auto  
supply houses.  First, clean the mating surface (wire brush) on the engine  and 
then coat it with some RTV before inserting the plug.  Usually, one hit  with a 
larger ballpein hammer will do the job to lock the plug onto the engine.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Oct 25 08:23:58 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:23:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
Message-ID: <20051025.112719.824.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Excellent pics Patrick
Thanks for keeping us posted.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 09:22:17 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:22:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510250922w73cf0a2cl2c049cfddc2eb205@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no
> joy.
>
>   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> Muncie @ Portland?
>
>   Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
> stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in the
> flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
> different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver hitch
> on the truck.
>
>  Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
>
> "LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
>
> RickinMt.

Have you tried these contacts?

http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/moreinfo.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 25 10:50:05 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510251342520.81571@vegeta.city-net.com>

Rick,

I think you'd have more luck via email.  But I think you need to be
patient.  As strange as it may seem, I don't think Doug checks his email
every day.  Maybe once a week.  I cc'd him on this reply.

The other thing you should consider is COME TO PORTLAND!!  Get some first
hand info on that Muncie!!  Oh, and while you're there enjoy the BIGGEST
engine show in the world!!

Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Only about 300 days till Portland 2006!!
PPS - I'd be more precise if Dave had updated his Portland Countdown!
      http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no
> joy.
>
>   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> Muncie @ Portland?



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 14:33:41 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:33:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
Message-ID: <203.d08c90e.308ffeb5@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/2005 12:36:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
chesnimnus at juno.com writes:

<< Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and 
Binder Books? >>


Starbolt Engine Supplies, MD     Starbolt4u at aol.com

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 16:19:47 2005
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
In-Reply-To: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <20051025231947.50901.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>

I remember what Patrick's engine looked when it first came up to Edd's shop, come a long way since then.  A top notch Craftsman that Edd Payne is!

Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:I have added some more progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/


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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue Oct 25 16:42:20 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:42:20 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley
Message-ID: <20051025.164238.13640.29754@webmail22.lax.untd.com>

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Oct 25 17:05:22 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:05:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
References: <20051024.212502.2534.38132@webmail31.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <006101c5d9c0$f853d900$58f14c0c@D48VHZ61>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chesnimnus at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns! Now I got questions.


> It is a McCormick LBA to be specific.  (I do not just remember, but I 
> believe it is a 2 horse unit.)  I got it in Colton, Oregon.  It is all 
> there except for the hopper lid (typical), and the fuel tank and bottom 
> rails (it looks like they were never there to begin with), and the valve 
> cover.  It did not come with the air cleaner, which was an unusual option 
> I understand.  It does not have a sheave, but I will not worry about that 
> until I know what it will drive.  It is a gas motor.  The bottom welch 
> plug is rusted through.  I am going to work on it over the winter so it is 
> ready for the Great Western Binder Bee in July in Brooks, Oregon.  I 
> talked to my friend Carl Wiese who works at Binder Books, and he has an LB 
> parts manual and a hopper lid waiting to be delivered to me at my next IH 
> truck club meeting.  I also have a 6" x 8" oak plank, some old 
> (1940s-vintage) rubber wheels that I may use to make a cart for it.
>
> Questions I have:
>
> Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and 
> Binder Books?
>
> Are there any other pieces of literature for it besides the little owner's 
> manual?
>
> Does anyone have a source for the welch (expansion) plugs made of 
> stainless steel?  The smaller ones I have less of a problem finding, but 
> the one big one (looks to be over 2" in diameter) may be a trick to find. 
> Or maybe someone knows that the ones that Hit 'N' Miss has are made of SS? 
> As long as I am doing this, I want to do it permanently.
>
> Do the magneto caps offered new by Case/IH have the old round "IHC" logo, 
> or the newer "IH" man-on-the-tractor logo?  If not, does anyone know if 
> the ones that Hit 'N' Miss sells have the older or the newer logo?
>
> Who is it that makes the adaptor that lets you use modern spark plugs in 
> the head?
>
> Does anyone know if Pertronix makes a solid-state kit to replace the 
> points in the mag?
>
> Can anyone think of a good older steel container that would make a good 
> fuel tank?  I am thinking of mounting the tank next to the motor, instead 
> of purchasing a replacement tank and rails, but only if it 'looks right'. 
> Otherwise, I will try to find an original tank and rails.
>
> Does anyone have a spare air cleaner?  This is the vertical Donaldson unit 
> with the oil bath.  Not critical, but it would be nice.
>
> What decals should it have?  I know there is the McCormick one on the 
> hopper, and the metal ID tag (which I have), but I do not know what else 
> is supposed to be on it.  Anyone know?
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for things to drive with it?  I know 
> where a corn sheller and a mill are, and also an old water pump, but I was 
> hoping to find something more useful than the sheller, or more unusual 
> than the pump.  This is just going to be a toy to play with more than 
> anything.
>
> Thanks for any info you can offer.
> -Colin Rush
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Oct 25 18:22:31 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:22:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>


>Unfortunately, there is little record of what was discussed this year,
>although I do remember a conversation about the Charity proceeds on
>the day after the dinner/auction in which the scholarship was
>mentioned.
>Perhaps we need to set this out a little more formally so that at
>least the full-grown idea can be viewed and likely funding needs
>discussed?  methinks that it would take more than was raised at this
>year's two auctions?
>Peter

Hi Peter,
         I have recorder the minutes (with details of the discussions) of 
all SEL meetings at Portland where this (and many other) topic(s) were 
discussed. Once I have typed them up and checked with others who attended 
the meetings(whose names I am sworn not revel) in order to insure that they 
are in proper order and that nothing was missed I will forward them to 
Spencer via OWL.
         Dave
PS, Please forget the conversation that you overheard. This whole effort is 
secret and only those invited to the secret meetings (and were informed of 
the secret hand shake and finger sign) were to be involved in any further 
discussion/conversation. If you are foolish to post to the List about it 
again I will be forced to inform "M" about what you are doing.
PPS, Nagani will be watching you and will be informing me as to your 
activities--be VERY careful!



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 25 19:54:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:54:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510250922w73cf0a2cl2c049cfddc2eb205@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7D8DCB5E9C447630C5119BB690@phx.gbl>

Yup Patrick but it was during the day..gambled someone would be 
retired...Will try them at night

thanks for the reply

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie


> On 10/25/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> > I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also 
> > no
> > joy.
> >
> >   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> > Muncie @ Portland?
> >
> >   Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
> > stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in 
> > the
> > flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
> > different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver 
> > hitch
> > on the truck.
> >
> >  Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
> >
> > "LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
> Have you tried these contacts?
>
> http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/moreinfo.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 25 19:57:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:57:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510251342520.81571@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV196C274A0A149F2F2AE2FFBB690@phx.gbl>

yea pard..I totally agree!! but until they get that butt buggy 
prob..figgered out.''well, I'd better stay home
:-((((

Thanks!!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Doug Etzkorn" <dncetz at watchtv.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland


> Rick,
>
> I think you'd have more luck via email.  But I think you need to be
> patient.  As strange as it may seem, I don't think Doug checks his email
> every day.  Maybe once a week.  I cc'd him on this reply.
>
> The other thing you should consider is COME TO PORTLAND!!  Get some first
> hand info on that Muncie!!  Oh, and while you're there enjoy the BIGGEST
> engine show in the world!!
>
> Good luck!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Only about 300 days till Portland 2006!!
> PPS - I'd be more precise if Dave had updated his Portland Countdown!
>       http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> > I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also 
> > no
> > joy.
> >
> >   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> > Muncie @ Portland?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Oct 25 21:05:41 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:05:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Resister for LED lights (OT)
Message-ID: <4gt14t$506ac0@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

A few weeks back there was some discussion about trailer lights and fitting
a resister to stop LED flashers from flashing to fast. Can't find the
relevant posts. Does anyone have the info? ie.what resister value to use?
Ray Freeman


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 04:03:16 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:03:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510260403g14624104u532b72b5cf314737@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>          I have recorder the minutes (with details of the discussions) of
> all SEL meetings at Portland where this (and many other) topic(s) were
> discussed. Once I have typed them up and checked with others who attended
> the meetings(whose names I am sworn not revel) in order to insure that they
> are in proper order and that nothing was missed I will forward them to
> Spencer via OWL.
>          Dave
> PS, Please forget the conversation that you overheard. This whole effort is
> secret and only those invited to the secret meetings (and were informed of
> the secret hand shake and finger sign) were to be involved in any further
> discussion/conversation. If you are foolish to post to the List about it
> again I will be forced to inform "M" about what you are doing.
> PPS, Nagani will be watching you and will be informing me as to your
> activities--be VERY careful!

Oooooooooooohhh!!

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Oct 26 06:42:26 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:42:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
Message-ID: <4gt14t$50uajm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem with
blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head. The
head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem. It
will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so we
stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and is
running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at all.
Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
Ray Freeman


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Oct 26 06:09:16 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:09:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
References: <20051025231947.50901.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c5da2e$791817a0$2c85dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanks Nick and all others who commented on the Stover work.I really enjoy a
challenge in making parts like this and the final result is very satisfying
when it turns out OK. My son Darren has done a lot of the repair work on
this engine and he is real good at it but he doesn't like engines much which
is unfortunate,He prefers Golf and cricket and is OK at both these
sports.Every one to his own.The only problem with this job is that it has to
go back to Patrick.It would look better in my shed next to the YB throttler
and the YB hit miss.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fuller & Johnson" <fuller_johnson at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:19
Subject: Re: [SEL] YC Stover Pics


> I remember what Patrick's engine looked when it first came up to Edd's
shop, come a long way since then.  A top notch Craftsman that Edd Payne is!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:I have added some more
progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> Cheers!  NICK
>
>
> Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web!
>
> "He who sees the other first already has half the victory."   Erich
Hartmann
>
> "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt"  Hans Rudel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>  Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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From gwaugh at wowway.com  Wed Oct 26 07:07:35 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:07:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510260403g14624104u532b72b5cf314737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>	<6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160510260403g14624104u532b72b5cf314737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <435F8DA7.8050709@wowway.com>


Dave, I just hope that you don't "revel" in those names TOO much!

Gene

>On 10/26/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Peter,
>>         I have recorder the minutes (with details of the discussions) of
>>all SEL meetings at Portland where this (and many other) topic(s) were
>>discussed. Once I have typed them up and checked with others who attended
>>the meetings(whose names I am sworn not revel) in order to insure that they
>>are in proper order and that nothing was missed I will forward them to
>>Spencer via OWL.
>>         Dave
>>PS, Please forget the conversation that you overheard. This whole effort is
>>secret and only those invited to the secret meetings (and were informed of
>>the secret hand shake and finger sign) were to be involved in any further
>>discussion/conversation. If you are foolish to post to the List about it
>>again I will be forced to inform "M" about what you are doing.
>>PPS, Nagani will be watching you and will be informing me as to your
>>activities--be VERY careful!
>>    
>>
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Oct 26 09:13:43 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:13:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
Message-ID: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

Don't let the Butt Buggy issue scare ya away.

I rode my PLanet Jr. all over the place - no questions asked.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com  Wed Oct 26 10:04:36 2005
From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill Calvert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:04:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
Message-ID: <A86F9DD0A209764988B45297FD9F7E7302AAB2@hp-dl380-g4.CalvertMcBride.local>

Ray

I have an engine with similar problems and I think my timing is to slow.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Freeman Portable Line Boring
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:42 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse

I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem
with
blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head.
The
head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem.
It
will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so
we
stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and
is
running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
all.
Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
Ray Freeman
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 26 10:10:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
In-Reply-To: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510261305390.98659@vegeta.city-net.com>

BTW Rick,

If you have a medical need (letter from your doctor that you NEED a butt
buggy to get around), the folks at Portland will issue you a permit with
no hassle whatsoever.

If, OTOH, you're just too fat and lazy to walk, you will get grief for
using a butt buggy and contributing to traffic problems.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Dave hands out stickers that say "Fat and handicapped are NOT the
     same thing."

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Don't let the Butt Buggy issue scare ya away.
> I rode my PLanet Jr. all over the place - no questions asked.
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 26 11:06:59 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:06:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <4gt14t$50uajm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <01d301c5da58$10794f50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> It does not fire regularly and is
> running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will 
> not run at all.
> Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.

Hi Ray,
Sometimes a weak spark or a bad sparkplug will cause the engine to exhibit the
symptoms you described.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 







From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Oct 26 11:10:46 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:10:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <A86F9DD0A209764988B45297FD9F7E7302AAB2@hp-dl380-g4.CalvertMcBride.local>
References: <A86F9DD0A209764988B45297FD9F7E7302AAB2@hp-dl380-g4.CalvertMcBride.local>
Message-ID: <435FC6A6.8010700@imc-group.com>

Bill,
I would order a new compensator spring from Starbolt or Hit and Miss. A 
spring too stiff will make the mixture too rich and impossible to set 
the mix right. Eliminate that variable with the new spring. Then you are 
down to check valve and mixture control. How does the taper on the 
needle valve look?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray
>Freeman Portable Line Boring
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:42 AM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
>
>I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem
>with
>blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head.
>The
>head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
>problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem.
>It
>will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
>gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so
>we
>stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and
>is
>running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
>all.
>Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
>Ray Freeman
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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>
>
>  
>



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Oct 26 11:12:39 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:12:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
References: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510261305390.98659@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <435FC717.C54F171A@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Rick

On our first trip to Portland in 1999, butt buggy restrictions weren't so
tight.  I was only a few months out of a wheelchair myself, having been
semi-paralysed with MS, but I found the inability to walk the big distances
Portland involves was a great way to meet new people.  When I got tired, I'd
just ask the nearest exhibitor if I could sit on one of his chairs for  a
while!!!  Simple.

Dolly

Arnie Fero wrote:

> BTW Rick,
>
> If you have a medical need (letter from your doctor that you NEED a butt
> buggy to get around), the folks at Portland will issue you a permit with
> no hassle whatsoever.
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Oct 26 13:07:05 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:07:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
Message-ID: <001801c5da68$d97059c0$666a0b42@computer>

RickinMt.
  Our engine was adj. to the Muncie engine this past year @ Portland and the
Muncie was just parked by the Portland club members and  a static display.
Supposedly the club member that usually ran the Muncie was peeved and did
not attend.  It will be posible for me to contact some of the members and
get details on the Muncie within the next couple of monthes if you are still
interested at that time.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Muncie


>Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
>I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no
>joy.
>
>  Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
>Muncie @ Portland?
>
>  Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
>stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in
the
>flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
>different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver hitch
>on the truck.
>
> Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
>
>"LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
>
>RickinMt.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 26 15:22:33 2005
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <4gt14t$50uajm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20051026222233.86995.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>

Ray,
  I had a similar problem with a 5hp Economy and it turned out the check ball in the fuel line was sticking.
   Dave.

Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring <plb at iinet.net.au> wrote:
I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem with
blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head. The
head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem. It
will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so we
stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and is
running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at all.
Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
Ray Freeman
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Oct 26 16:07:48 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:07:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
Message-ID: <4ck04t$1jp1beb@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net>


 It does not fire regularly and
> >is
> >running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
> >all.
> >Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
> >Ray Freeman

This sounds like an ignition problem. A rich mixture is easier to fire, but it won't clear up, lean it out and it dies. Check the fire and the spark plug.
J.B. Castagnos


From lsain33 at charter.net  Wed Oct 26 17:42:40 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:42:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley
References: <20051025.164238.13640.29754@webmail22.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <013101c5da8f$5c092990$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Thanks, Joe.  Here is a link to some photos of the stuck pulley.  Does yours
look similar?  The second photo is taken from the inside of the flywheel and
shows a collar which appears to have a set bolt in it, but the pulley
rotates free on the shaft so I don't think it's holding it in place, just
acting as a spacer.  Mystery to me.  I was hoping someone had a diagram of
such a pulley but no such luck.  Take care.

Larry

http://www.oldiron-nut.com/pulley/

----- Original Message -----
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutch Pulley


> Hi Larry, the clutch pulley on the Desjardins engines are keyed (square)
onto the crankshaft and held in place by a square headed set screw. I
removed the pulley by a large square piece of 1/2" steel plate placed inside
of the OD of the pulley. I used 2 pieces of 5/8" threaded rod with a flat
bar puller on the crankshaft. She came off with out breaking anything. That
is the best I can do... Joe Kelley
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 26 18:55:28 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:55:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Jokelist
Message-ID: <002701c5daa3$24916540$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>



Anyone not on who should / wants to be.

Also, Broadband or not. I dont send video clips to those who aint BB

As you see, back from the trip!   Wonderful but exhasting. Still sleeping it off.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 20:21:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:21:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] How I did It - Fuel Filler - Hercules Economy
Message-ID: <6.503971b1.3091a1ce@aol.com>

Hi List,
The fuel filler on the Economy uses a flip top lid.  Since  this engine had 
been using a pipe plug for lid, I decided to make  one.
A 3/8' x 1" bell pipe reducer was used as the basis for the  fabrication.  I 
thread a piece of 3/8" pipe to the reducer and chucked  it in the lathe.  I 
machined out  the inside of 1" side and also trued  up the lip edge and rim.  
Next, I used a hole saw (same diameter as the  machined reducer rim) to make the 
top out of a piece of 1/4" plate.  Then,  I used a piece of 1/2" dia x 3/4" 
round stock to make the lid hinge part.   A 3/16" dia was drill through length 
of the round stock.  The round  hinge piece was welded to lid so that the top 
of the lid is even with the  top of the round stock.  Two pieces of 3/16" flat 
x 3/4" wide x 1"  long iron were shaped to fit the sides of the bushing 
reducer to form the  other part of the hinge.  3/16" holes were drilled into each 
of the upper  part of the shaped pieces using the welded lid hinge to locate 
them.  A #12  bolt was used to hold the shaped parts to lid hinge.  Then, the 
flat shaped  pieces were ground to match the 1/2" dia stock and fit the outside 
of the  bell reducer.  The lid (along with bolted shaped iron pieces) was  
temporarily clamped to the top of bell reducer rim to mainain the position  the 
two shaped flat iron pieces before being welded to bell reducer  sides.   After 
these shaped pieces are welded to bell reducer, the  bolt was removed.  Since 
my welding is not the best, the welds were ground  smooth and JB Weld was 
used to clean up the assembly.  A large cotter  key was used as the hinge rod.  I 
used a short 1/4" dia bolt and an  Acorn nut to hide the 1/4" hole in the lid 
left over from using the hole  saw.  The unit looks good mounted on the 
engine.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 20:46:32 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:46:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] {SEL] A Unique Use of a Ford Model T Flywheel and Magneto Coil
Message-ID: <1f5.15475c2c.3091a798@aol.com>

Hi List,
When I purchased the Hercules Economy engine, I was given several  old copies 
of the "Gas Engine Magazine" and "Engineers & Engines".  In  the December - 
January, 88 - 89 copy of "Engineers & Engines" on page  43, there is a very 
interesting article by Michael Carwood of Wicklow,  Ireland.  He was in the 
process of building a Ford Model T magneto  demonstrator.  He only thing that he 
had built at that time was a  frame and arbor to hold a Ford Model T flywheel 
and magneto  coils.  This assembly was turned by an electric motor to generate 
magneto  voltage.  
Mr. Carwood ultimate goal was to turn the Ford Model T flywheel  with a buzz 
coil ignition hit miss engine.  Then, show that the engine  could be started 
with a battery and subsequently switched to Ford Model T  magneto.
I wonder if Mr. Carwood ever finished this project.  Perhaps,  someone has 
seen this unit or a similar setup.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 21:11:08 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:11:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <da.301f278f.3091ad5c@aol.com>

Hi List,
While I was visiting my local magneto repair shop today, I noticed  a diesel 
starter motor with a mounted oil pump.  I was told that this  starter motor is 
designed to pressurize the engine's oil system before  engaging the bendix 
solenoid  to the flywheel and turn over the engine to  start it.  
I remember that we had to turn over our diesel tractor engine with  the pony 
engine until the oil system on the diesel was pressurized before  opening the 
diesel fuel rack.
Is this a common practice to pressurize diesel engine's internal  oil system 
prior to starting?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Oct 27 03:02:46 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:02:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <435FC6A6.8010700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4gv4k9$cp5opr@mail-iinet.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>

Thanks all,my guess now is a combination of compensator spring and weak
spark. The fuel supply is OK. Getting heaps of fuel up into the mixer. The
spark was weak so the mag needs some attention.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2005 2:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse

Bill,
I would order a new compensator spring from Starbolt or Hit and Miss. A 
spring too stiff will make the mixture too rich and impossible to set 
the mix right. Eliminate that variable with the new spring. Then you are 
down to check valve and mixture control. How does the taper on the 
needle valve look?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray
>Freeman Portable Line Boring
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:42 AM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
>
>I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem
>with
>blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head.
>The
>head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
>problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem.
>It
>will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
>gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so
>we
>stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and
>is
>running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
>all.
>Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
>Ray Freeman
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 06:03:41 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:03:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <53.330e4343.30922a2d@aol.com>

Hi Francis,
Yes, I think it is common for a diesel to have oil pressure before starting, 
or, if not common, very desirable.  

My Yanmar 155D small (15 HP, 2 cylinder) diesel tractor owner's manual 
suggests this starting procedure:  open fuel petcock, pull speed control to stop, 
turn on the electric switch and note the oil pressure light is glowing red,  
release the compression, crank the engine (electric starter) until the oil 
pressure light goes out and then, after closing the compression release,  advance 
the speed control whereupon it will start.  I do believe Yanmar wants an oil 
cushion between the bearing surfaces before that diesel starts knocking, and it 
does knock a little at start.  Having the compression released certainly makes 
it easier on the starter motor as the cranking time to get the oil light out 
is 20 seconds or more.

An old military surplus aircooled diesel generator set I have instructs one 
to release compression, crank until the oil pressure gauge reads normal, then 
give it compression and crank until it starts.  Again, oil pressure is 
desirable before running. 

I have some of the China diesels with oil pumps, and they want you to crank 
until you see the tell-tale oil pressure indicator pop up before releasing the 
compression lever.  These don't have gauges, just a little rod that extends 
from a springloaded piston/cylinder and receives pressure from the oil pump.  
When there is pressure, the little rod rises a quarter inch or so.  No pressure, 
and it drops back out of sight.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia

In a message dated 10/27/2005 12:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
Is this a common practice to pressurize diesel engine's internal  oil system 
prior to starting?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 06:16:57 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:16:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <f7.5c274140.30922d49@aol.com>

Francis;
 
No it is not a common practice, I have two Ford diesel pickups and neither  
have this item, they make preluber's for diesel engines that you can add on but 
 they are pretty expensive, around $600.00, you can turn them on and build 
oil  pressure before starting the engine, I have heard this is when you have the 
 greatest wear on an engine is after starting and until oil pressure comes  
up.
 
See'ya, 
 
Bill Miller


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 09:25:14 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:25:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <e0.1f39aba1.3092596a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 6:35:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

No it is  not a common practice, I have two Ford diesel pickups and neither   
have this item, they make preluber's for diesel engines that you can add  on 
but 
they are pretty expensive, around $600.00, you can turn them on and  build 
oil  pressure before starting the engine, I have heard this is  when you have 
the 
greatest wear on an engine is after starting and until  oil pressure comes  



Thanks Bill  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 09:27:24 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:27:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <1b8.1ed54f30.309259ec@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 6:37:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

Yes, I  think it is common for a diesel to have oil pressure before starting, 
or,  if not common, very desirable


Thanks  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Thu Oct 27 09:40:49 2005
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:40:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks 118
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510261410030.9646-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510271140020.25958-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

I've been wondering about this for a long time, but the Fairbanks 118 has
a sight glass for the oil level in the back near the base. Does anyone
know what the proper oil level should be? Should the sight glass be full
or not?
Andrew.

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/andrew/



From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 10:16:08 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:16:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <223.1263bd0.30926558@aol.com>

Whoa, I didn't mean it was not desirable, I just said it was not too common  
to see a preluber on a diesel, I sure wish both of my diesels had a means of  
bringing the oil pressure up before starting.
 
See'ya, Bill.


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Thu Oct 27 10:56:35 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:56:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Choices
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A705AD94D8@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Might give these folks a look-see. Don't know how you can beat the
efficiency of 99.3% going to the programs. These guys get my bucks.
Their admin expenses are very low, because most everyone in the
organization is a volunteer. 

Heart to Heart International is an old-fashioned charity - that is, they
don't have fund-raising campaigns as such. When there is a need, the
media, especially locally, gives them the exposure to make their appeal,
and they have a large network of corporate givers, including a number of
the big pharmaceutical makers. (The founder, Dr Gary Morsch, is a
physician.)

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3807.
htm


Their own website:

http://www.hearttoheart.org/


"Careful monitoring of administrative, fundraising and general expenses
allows us to, on average, leverage every $1 gift into more than $25
worth of life-saving medicines and supplies for people in need all over
the world. Read about our commitment to the highest standards of
excellence in product donation and distributions."

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From paul at semidiesel.com  Thu Oct 27 14:32:20 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:32:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Rabbit In Headlights
In-Reply-To: <200510231711080734.04C39810@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
	<200510231711080734.04C39810@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <43614764.1050604@semidiesel.com>

Hi Guys,
We are all still sat here doing a passable impression of a rabbit caught 
in main beam, quite stunned.

We would like to thank everyone for a very generous donation. It will be 
treated as restricted funding and applied to a specific project, we will 
post details when done.

We have a current "Top Secret" project going to rescue a particularly 
rare engine which will be the likely use, more details when we have done 
the removal from site.

Thanks
Paul & Hazel

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 27 07:07:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:07:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
References: <53.330e4343.30922a2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV242C9653B8EDF50A4D5AA1BB6B0@phx.gbl>

Francis;
  On the neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts up the 
pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then engage 
the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up and then 
release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good idea to have 
the pressure up.

  On some military engines the starter button must be held in until oil 
pressure is up..if released early it will die....kewl low oil pressure 
safety device.


Have a nice day..will paint a border around the new small museum today. 
Line shafting machinery is getting cleaned and painted up and only want to 
move it once.

RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 27 07:08:15 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:08:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
References: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510261305390.98659@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<435FC717.C54F171A@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7CEC9E1AC70A78866169CBB6B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Helen and Arnie...THAT IS GOOD NEWS!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland


> Hi Rick
>
> On our first trip to Portland in 1999, butt buggy restrictions weren't so
> tight.  I was only a few months out of a wheelchair myself, having been
> semi-paralysed with MS, but I found the inability to walk the big 
> distances
> Portland involves was a great way to meet new people.  When I got tired, 
> I'd
> just ask the nearest exhibitor if I could sit on one of his chairs for  a
> while!!!  Simple.
>
> Dolly
>
> Arnie Fero wrote:
>
> > BTW Rick,
> >
> > If you have a medical need (letter from your doctor that you NEED a butt
> > buggy to get around), the folks at Portland will issue you a permit with
> > no hassle whatsoever.
> >
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 27 07:09:50 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:09:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
References: <001801c5da68$d97059c0$666a0b42@computer>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV218085017F23D82A0E529CBB6B0@phx.gbl>

George..thanx for the offer..will keep that in mind.  I'll try the club's 
POC's at early nightime.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie


> RickinMt.
>   Our engine was adj. to the Muncie engine this past year @ Portland and 
> the
> Muncie was just parked by the Portland club members and  a static display.
> Supposedly the club member that usually ran the Muncie was peeved and did
> not attend.  It will be posible for me to contact some of the members and
> get details on the Muncie within the next couple of monthes if you are 
> still
> interested at that time.     George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:59 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Muncie
>
>
> >Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> >I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also 
> >no
> >joy.
> >
> >  Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> >Muncie @ Portland?
> >
> >  Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
> >stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in
> the
> >flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
> >different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver 
> >hitch
> >on the truck.
> >
> > Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
> >
> >"LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
> >
> >RickinMt.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 19:52:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:52:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <29.7e57cf3e.3092ec82@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts up the  
pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then  engage 
the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and then 
release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to have 
the pressure up.


Rick,
That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years  (50) ago. 
 However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this compression 
release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I 
recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure was up to start 
the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut down by 
turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave gasoline in  
carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to close  the 
throttle rack which had a locking pin.
There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a  pre-pressurized oil 
system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator that was 
hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus, accumulator 
could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In parallel with 
this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This solenoid 
valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action would 
pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't know what 
happened to this company.   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 19:57:46 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:57:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Contribution to Tod Engine
Message-ID: <00db01c5db6b$60034da0$64bed2cc@pengy>

Thanks so much for the contribution to the Tod Engine Foundation from the ATIS Charity Auction.  

One of our goals for this year is electric service to the Tod Engine Heritage Park.  Ohio Edison quoted me a price of $2700 for their part of the work which includes poles and transformers.  With the ATIS contribution and another generous contribution from a SEL member we now have enough to have the power lines run to the property.  

We are having a 480Y/277 volt 3 phase 4 wire service put in with enough amperage to run a 50kw induction melting furnace in addition to our normal load.  

Thanks everyone for nearly a decade of support of this project.  Who would have thought when the original wrecking crew was being rounded up from the SEL nine years ago how far this engine project would progress.  

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Fri Oct 28 03:46:56 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:46:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Jokelist
In-Reply-To: <002701c5daa3$24916540$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <002701c5daa3$24916540$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <436201A0.3030006@wightman.ca>

Hi Reg,

Welcome back! Hope you enjoyed your trip. Jokes are always welcome here 
and I have high speed.

Duncan


R & M Ingold wrote:

>Anyone not on who should / wants to be.
>
>Also, Broadband or not. I dont send video clips to those who aint BB
>
>As you see, back from the trip!   Wonderful but exhasting. Still sleeping it off.
>
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 06:57:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:57:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
References: <29.7e57cf3e.3092ec82@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV22B59F0A1CC88700DAC720BB6B0@phx.gbl>

Francis;
  I remember the compression release lever was close to the pony 
motor..should have mentioned that is opened prior to cranking..believe it 
keeps the exhaust valves open.  It may have also shut the injectors 
down..never thought about it until now.  His was a '57..can't remember now 
how the engine was shut down..had to shut the fuel off somehow..on his newer 
grader one just pulls up hard on the foot throttle.


It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an 
accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine was 
shut off.


Well catcha later,
RickinMt.







---- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump


>
> In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts up 
> the
> pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then 
> engage
> the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and then
> release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to have
> the pressure up.
>
>
> Rick,
> That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years  (50) 
> ago.
>  However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this 
> compression
> release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I
> recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure was 
> up to start
> the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut down 
> by
> turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave gasoline 
> in
> carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to close 
> the
> throttle rack which had a locking pin.
> There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a  pre-pressurized 
> oil
> system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator 
> that was
> hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus, accumulator
> could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In parallel 
> with
> this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This 
> solenoid
> valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action would
> pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't 
> know what
> happened to this company.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From Howard.Bottles at austin.ppdi.com  Fri Oct 28 07:57:20 2005
From: Howard.Bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:57:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <CF2FA423CD2E274985A38D8E368A7E16761D53@AUSMAIL01.americas.ppdi.local>

On my JD 730D I push down on the decomp pedal, crank the engine until
the oil pressure comes up, then relase the decomp pedal and let it crank
3-4 revs on full comp w/o fuel to heat the cylinders, the put some
throttle on it and she lights right off

Howard 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:57 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump

Francis;
  I remember the compression release lever was close to the pony
motor..should have mentioned that is opened prior to cranking..believe
it keeps the exhaust valves open.  It may have also shut the injectors
down..never thought about it until now.  His was a '57..can't remember
now how the engine was shut down..had to shut the fuel off somehow..on
his newer grader one just pulls up hard on the foot throttle.


It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an
accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine
was shut off.


Well catcha later,
RickinMt.







---- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump


>
> In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts
up 
> the
> pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then 
> engage
> the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and
then
> release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to
have
> the pressure up.
>
>
> Rick,
> That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years
(50) 
> ago.
>  However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this 
> compression
> release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I
> recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure
was 
> up to start
> the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut
down 
> by
> turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave
gasoline 
> in
> carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to
close 
> the
> throttle rack which had a locking pin.
> There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a
pre-pressurized 
> oil
> system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator

> that was
> hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus,
accumulator
> could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In
parallel 
> with
> this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This 
> solenoid
> valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action
would
> pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't

> know what
> happened to this company.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 08:33:15 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:33:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
References: <CF2FA423CD2E274985A38D8E368A7E16761D53@AUSMAIL01.americas.ppdi.local>
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Howard..that's basically how he does it with his newer Cat12 in the cooler 
weather..no pony.  Cranks for 5-10 seconds and then preheats.  Works real 
good.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles at austin.ppdi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump


> On my JD 730D I push down on the decomp pedal, crank the engine until
> the oil pressure comes up, then relase the decomp pedal and let it crank
> 3-4 revs on full comp w/o fuel to heat the cylinders, the put some
> throttle on it and she lights right off
>
> Howard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:57 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
>
> Francis;
>   I remember the compression release lever was close to the pony
> motor..should have mentioned that is opened prior to cranking..believe
> it keeps the exhaust valves open.  It may have also shut the injectors
> down..never thought about it until now.  His was a '57..can't remember
> now how the engine was shut down..had to shut the fuel off somehow..on
> his newer grader one just pulls up hard on the foot throttle.
>
>
> It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an
> accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine
> was shut off.
>
>
> Well catcha later,
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
> >
> > On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts
> up
> > the
> > pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then
> > engage
> > the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and
> then
> > release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to
> have
> > the pressure up.
> >
> >
> > Rick,
> > That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years
> (50)
> > ago.
> >  However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this
> > compression
> > release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I
> > recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure
> was
> > up to start
> > the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut
> down
> > by
> > turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave
> gasoline
> > in
> > carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to
> close
> > the
> > throttle rack which had a locking pin.
> > There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a
> pre-pressurized
> > oil
> > system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator
>
> > that was
> > hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus,
> accumulator
> > could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In
> parallel
> > with
> > this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This
> > solenoid
> > valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action
> would
> > pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't
>
> > know what
> > happened to this company.
> >
> > Francis  Maciel
> > Santa Maria, CA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 08:51:27 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:51:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Deliver failures
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV88A18AB019359BA59C965BB6B0@phx.gbl>

  Wonder why in the past day..I'm getting "delivery failures" in the inbox 
after I post?


hmmm..oh well

RickinMt. 


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 09:53:53 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:53:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <21e.138d720.3093b1a1@aol.com>

Hi Rick,

We have a Winnebago w/Renault 2 liter turbodiesel that has an accumulator.  
It looks to be about 1 1/2 quarts in size, is cylindrical and hangs on the 
firewall with an oil line coming up from the turbo bearing area into the bottom of 
the accumulator.  I think, since the accumulator is closed except for the 
bottom intake, oil is pushed into it by the oil pump pressure and stays there 
(more or less depending on engine speed and oil pressure) until you shut down the 
engine, whereupon the remaining oil in the accumulator, a quart or so, flows 
back through the turbo bearing, cooling it.  Because the accumulator is an 
after-market item and it takes some of the oil from the lubrication system, I 
always ran an extra quart of oil in the engine so there would be plenty in the 
crankcase at all times.

As an aside, I thought I had the Winnie sold yesterday until when we tried to 
start it we found a leaking seal on the front of the injection pump.  I have 
a spare engine with pump, but don't care to install it.  The potential buyer 
wants to think about it little while and may come back for it, but, in the 
meantime, I am open for offers.  If anyone has an interest in an 84 Winnebago with 
(stationary engine at the moment) turbodiesel, leaking roof, small (sleeps 
four) light (6000 LB) and good mileage (22-25) and comes with spare parts 
including transaxle and most of another engine, take it off list and contact me at 
maytagtwin at aol.com.  Even unreasonable offers are considered. 

On the topic of starting diesel engines that have long been parked:  Ye
sterday we started two Datsun pickups, one of which had not been started in 17 
years, the other 12 years.  Then, we started a Mercedes diesel which had been 
sitting 7 years.  All had been running when parked.  With all, using a mix of motor 
oil and gasoline, and, towing in gear did the trick.  After a few minutes of 
running, the smoke cleared and the engines ran smoothly.  I am now even more 
impressed with the durability of these little diesel engines.  These vehicles 
will all have new homes.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia, home of the rapidly depleting stock of diesel vehicles

 



In a message dated 10/28/2005 10:31:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an 
accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine was 
shut off.


Well catcha later,
RickinMt.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 16:35:48 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:35:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <fc.1f0ce067.30940fd4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:01:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

<< Nokesville, Virginia, home of the rapidly depleting stock of diesel 
vehicles >>


Geesh Ron, I cannot believe you are surely running out of items in that yard 
to get rid of!  What has it been now since you started, 3 years?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 16:56:27 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:56:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What's Right with America
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV169CF096EC9F0FB69C27FBB6B0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Totally recommend watching the 2005 National FFA (Future Farmer's of 
America) convention on RFD-TV!!!

  "The seeds are doing fantastic"

Sincerely
RickinMt. 


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 17:36:27 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:36:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <1a1.3fba6bad.30941e0b@aol.com>

Hi Tom,
It has been closer to five years, and no, I haven't run out of items in the 
yard.  My problem now is I have run out of space at the other end and so am 
having to reduce inventory.  In order to stem growth at the Virginia end I have 
stopped attending auctions while in Virginia.  It hasn't been easy, but, has to 
be done.  Sad, isn't it?
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia


In a message dated 10/28/2005 8:04:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Germoamer at aol.com writes:
Geesh Ron, I cannot believe you are surely running out of items in that yard 
to get rid of!  What has it been now since you started, 3 years?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 18:39:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:39:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
References: <21e.138d720.3093b1a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6348029A5C8948250F959BB6A0@phx.gbl>

yea Ron..accumulators have a piston of somwhat..and do requre a precharge on 
the non-engine side of the accumulator piston..when the engine oil pressure 
drops, the precharge pushes the piston thusly suppling lubricant to what 
ever.

Widely used in the hydraulic field

Solly on the MH..just sold mine..best thing I ever did

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator


> Hi Rick,
>
> We have a Winnebago w/Renault 2 liter turbodiesel that has an accumulator.
> It looks to be about 1 1/2 quarts in size, is cylindrical and hangs on the
> firewall with an oil line coming up from the turbo bearing area into the 
> bottom of
> the accumulator.  I think, since the accumulator is closed except for the
> bottom intake, oil is pushed into it by the oil pump pressure and stays 
> there
> (more or less depending on engine speed and oil pressure) until you shut 
> down the
> engine, whereupon the remaining oil in the accumulator, a quart or so, 
> flows
> back through the turbo bearing, cooling it.  Because the accumulator is an
> after-market item and it takes some of the oil from the lubrication 
> system, I
> always ran an extra quart of oil in the engine so there would be plenty in 
> the
> crankcase at all times.
>
> As an aside, I thought I had the Winnie sold yesterday until when we tried 
> to
> start it we found a leaking seal on the front of the injection pump.  I 
> have
> a spare engine with pump, but don't care to install it.  The potential 
> buyer
> wants to think about it little while and may come back for it, but, in the
> meantime, I am open for offers.  If anyone has an interest in an 84 
> Winnebago with
> (stationary engine at the moment) turbodiesel, leaking roof, small (sleeps
> four) light (6000 LB) and good mileage (22-25) and comes with spare parts
> including transaxle and most of another engine, take it off list and 
> contact me at
> maytagtwin at aol.com.  Even unreasonable offers are considered.
>
> On the topic of starting diesel engines that have long been parked:  Ye
> sterday we started two Datsun pickups, one of which had not been started 
> in 17
> years, the other 12 years.  Then, we started a Mercedes diesel which had 
> been
> sitting 7 years.  All had been running when parked.  With all, using a mix 
> of motor
> oil and gasoline, and, towing in gear did the trick.  After a few minutes 
> of
> running, the smoke cleared and the engines ran smoothly.  I am now even 
> more
> impressed with the durability of these little diesel engines.  These 
> vehicles
> will all have new homes.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll
> Nokesville, Virginia, home of the rapidly depleting stock of diesel 
> vehicles
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/28/2005 10:31:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
> It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an
> accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine 
> was
> shut off.
>
>
> Well catcha later,
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 29 08:26:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:26:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)
Message-ID: <1130599584.436394a08fb72@webmail.city-net.com>

Damn, this is a nice one!!

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7556661158

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Vintage Rock Stone Crusher Small Hit & Miss Steam Gas
Item number: 7556661158
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Current bid: US $1,075.00
Summary
Vintage rock, stone crusher; small size as crushers go; double fly wheel
stone crusher in operating condition as you can see in the photos where it has
crushed rocks and old concrete; drives with a flat belt; has no known flaws or
problems---------works well; nothing appears to be missing except one grease
fitting; see yardstick in pictures for size comparison; was probably made 70-80
years ago in Frankfort, NY by the Acme Road Machinery Co.; could probably be
safely moved on a 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickup or comparable trailer;


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Oct 29 09:09:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:09:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)
References: <1130599584.436394a08fb72@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV14759E82673E0459DFE73FBB6A0@phx.gbl>

Yea Arn..saw that the other day..would make some nice marguritas at 
Portland!!!!
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:26 AM
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)


> Damn, this is a nice one!!
>
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7556661158
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Vintage Rock Stone Crusher Small Hit & Miss Steam Gas
> Item number: 7556661158
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Current bid: US $1,075.00
> Summary
> Vintage rock, stone crusher; small size as crushers go; double fly wheel
> stone crusher in operating condition as you can see in the photos where it 
> has
> crushed rocks and old concrete; drives with a flat belt; has no known 
> flaws or
> problems---------works well; nothing appears to be missing except one 
> grease
> fitting; see yardstick in pictures for size comparison; was probably made 
> 70-80
> years ago in Frankfort, NY by the Acme Road Machinery Co.; could probably 
> be
> safely moved on a 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickup or comparable trailer;
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 29 15:13:46 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:13:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)
In-Reply-To: <1130599584.436394a08fb72@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <019201c5dcd6$09344620$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Damn, this is a nice one!!
> 
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7556661158



DUDE!  You NEED this!  

Know anyone who's gonna be in New York next month?  
Want me to call home and put in a good word on your behalf?

Rob




From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Sat Oct 29 21:24:33 2005
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:24:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 118 question- Anybody?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510271140020.25958-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510292323100.26289-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

Anyone have any idea on this?

> I've been wondering about this for a long time, but the Fairbanks 118 has
> a sight glass for the oil level in the back near the base. Does anyone
> know what the proper oil level should be? Should the sight glass be full
> or not?
> Andrew.
>
> >From Andrew at
> tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> b10730 at hotmail.com
>
> Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Oct 29 22:20:01 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:20:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 118 question- Anybody?
Message-ID: <20051029.222002.952.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

The best I can do is:  9qts. for the 346, 10 qts. for the 503, and 17
qts. for the 739.
My best guess is half way up on the sight glass.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:24:33 -0500 (EST) Andrew
<tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com> writes:
> Anyone have any idea on this?
> 
> > I've been wondering about this for a long time, but the Fairbanks 
> 118 has
> > a sight glass for the oil level in the back near the base. Does 
> anyone
> > know what the proper oil level should be? Should the sight glass 
> be full
> > or not?
> > Andrew.
> >
> > >From Andrew at
> > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> > b10730 at hotmail.com
> >


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Oct 30 01:51:19 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:51:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I headed up to Edd's yesterday and brought the YC Stover home (well, almost
home. It is sitting at a mates place as he has a forklift which we will use
to put it on a transport in the next couple of weeks). Up close the work Edd
has done on the carby is amazing and the engine runs like a clock. I have
put a couple of short videos of the engine running and a few more pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct 30 09:35:37 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:35:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] The Anson Engine museum
Message-ID: <000501c5dd78$5877fe00$fa4c1152@no1>

The museum had the last show of  the year today.
I managed  to get there for an hour & took the these pictures.
http://community.webshots.com/album/489579377eBipch
Geoff has managed to make a big change to the layout with a 
new building added.
There is more work to do with the exhibits but the final results should
be a big imrpovement.
It poured down with rain but due to the mainly indoor exhibits it was well worth the trip!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Oct 30 10:42:16 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:42:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Final weekend of the year?
In-Reply-To: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <43651408.5000604@udata.com>

Gday
	Well this weekend was as nice as you can ask for, in ahia this time of year, and this gave me the opportunity to fire up a couple engins for the maybe the last time. The 4 hp R&V is now sitting on the cart I built after the Portland show and she ran sweet for over two hours in my yard. Loading it back into the trailer was much easier, and safer, than when I and about 7 others loaded her in Portland. One little change on the cart will be to mount two 1X8's or 2X8's so the engin skid will slide  much smoother onto the cross rails on the cart, I will also plan to drill holes in these to mount the engin solid to the cart. Remember this is to be a mover cart only and it is not really pretty, I built the handle out of a 4 feet 1/2 black iron pipe and they mount through two eye bolts and can easily be removed as needed. The other engin I ran was the little Villiers as she had some fuel in her and it needed run out before the start of cold weather. She had about two or three cups of fuel in the tank and ran for over three hours on this, with out missing a beat. I also wanted to get Tyler's Maytag out to run but the wind picked up some so this will have to wait till his next visit and soon he should be big enough to stomp on the foot pedal to make it look like it is running, his birthday is on Halloween (turns three) and I have found a nice little twin for him. hmmmmmmmmm  now if only I can convince his grandma! I am going to mount his engin on wheels so he can move it around and also remove them himself to run the engin, lawn mower wheels should do the job.



-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark






From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 14:30:27 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:30:27 EST
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <1e4.477e30e0.3096a383@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/28/2005 8:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

<< Sad, isn't it? >>


Ron I am teary eyed now, but I will try and take in more auctions for you 
here in Virginia!



Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 14:34:57 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:34:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] Final weekend of the year?
Message-ID: <6d.509c73ff.3096a491@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:01:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
oldengin at udata.com writes:

<< Well this weekend was as nice as you can ask for, in ahia this time of 
year, and this gave me the opportunity to fire up a couple engins for the maybe 
the last time.  >>


Might be a good time to remind all the folks who live where winter is coming 
about to check the engines and drain water out of the hoppers before it 
freezes.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From avanti_64 at juno.com  Sun Oct 30 15:20:45 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:20:45 GMT
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051030.152145.9531.94413@webmail24.lax.untd.com>

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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 21:02:27 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:02:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks "T"
Message-ID: <20051031050231.8063123F6DA@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi  everyone, A  Fairbanks "T" came home with me from a swap meet today in
Ca. The ser#  16727,indicates a manufacturing date of 1901.It's cast plate
,red paint,2bolt hubs, hot tube backs that up. It needs some help due to its
missing a few important parts. Most of the Fuel system is gone. What do you
think is the correct style carb for this engine? Are reproductions
available? I also need a fuel pump with linkage. .Is Mr. Brookover taking on
new work? The igniter Really needs help! Any way If a picture of the correct
fuel mixer is available, I'd know what to look for or copy? Thanks for your
help, Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato,Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct 30 03:45:30 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:45:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
In-Reply-To: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051030064421.043841c8@mail.alltel.net>

VERY nice Patrick. And you are correct--Edd's work is "amazing!"
         Dave

At 04:51 AM 10/30/2005, you wrote:
>I headed up to Edd's yesterday and brought the YC Stover home (well, almost
>home. It is sitting at a mates place as he has a forklift which we will use
>to put it on a transport in the next couple of weeks). Up close the work Edd
>has done on the carby is amazing and the engine runs like a clock. I have
>put a couple of short videos of the engine running and a few more pics at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>Patrick M Livingstone



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct 31 07:02:01 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:02:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Final weekend of the year?
Message-ID: <20051031.101601.1020.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Leroy,

Glad you had a nice weekend - - - 
Good to hear from ya.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TYLER ;-)

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From dleis at centurytel.net  Mon Oct 31 18:49:36 2005
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:49:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. TEST
Message-ID: <000a01c5de8e$e5e157c0$0201a8c0@computer>

Just testing sorry for the O.T.

                                 Stacy

From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct 31 17:44:37 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:44:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94@juno.com>

DAMN !!!

For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
lanterns.

The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
from the top ridge, down along
the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
about  one third of the circumfrence.


Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer - 

Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.

Suggestions ???

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 31 18:19:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:19:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
References: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV14206E21A1236DFD515224BB6F0@phx.gbl>

That's what I'd do Pip..might "stop drill" at the end of the crack.

RickinMt.




> DAMN !!!
> 
> For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
> lanterns.
> 
> The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
> from the top ridge, down along
> the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
> about  one third of the circumfrence.
> 
> 
> Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
> inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer - 
> 
> Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.
> 
> Suggestions ???
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
> the one 
>  \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
> Bear Arms."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Oct 31 19:16:03 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:16:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <000401c5de92$9a9b7d00$556a0b42@computer>

Joe,
    That 706 rod discussed on the list early this year welds cast very well
and is an easy rod to use.   George
-----Original Message-----
From: jlb94 at juno.com <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked


>DAMN !!!
>
>For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
>lanterns.
>
>The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
>from the top ridge, down along
>the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
>about  one third of the circumfrence.
>
>
>Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
>inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer -
>
>Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.
>
>Suggestions ???
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
> \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Oct 31 19:44:41 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:44:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
In-Reply-To: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200511010345.jA13ir3k052450@mail-gw.fsr.net>

No question about it, use JB-Weld.  No gas tank sealer should be necessary.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:45 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Cracked

DAMN !!!

For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
lanterns.

The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
from the top ridge, down along
the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
about  one third of the circumfrence.


Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer - 

Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.

Suggestions ???

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Oct  1 07:14:53 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:14:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <20.4e5e277f.306ff3dd@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Frank at lbpinc.com writes:

<< (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for rolling 
 stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling'  Straight pulling what, on what 
 surfacer.) >>


I would think they meant 2000 lbs lifting capacity, but I would contact them 
to verify.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct  1 20:21:52 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:21:52
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter Ogborne)
In-Reply-To: <200509301600.j8UG05Bk017631@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051001202152.009a9998@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hello Curt (Andree) and Peter Ogborne,
	Peter wrote:
"Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
individual............damming with faint praise!"

	Curt please accept this as a personal apology to you (and all list
members) if you understood my reply to be what Peter Ogborne has described
it as. I assume it was my reply he was alluding to because mine was the
only reply (there were more later) before he wrote. Also, he included the
text from my post in his answer.

	It was not (and never will be) my intention to be "patronising" or
"damming" (we spell it "damning") toward yourself or any other list member.
I am a relative newbie to this hobby (and list) and have a tremendous
respect for all list members. Most of you have already forgotten what I
still need to learn. I have made a lot of friends via this list although
I've never met one of you face to face. I have also received a lot of help
from list members for which I am very grateful. 

	Curt, if you felt that my reply was in any way disrespectful or in any
other way unaccepteable then I beg forgiveness. It was not meant to be any
of those things (or what Peter described it as). I'm sorry.

	Peter, it is not my intention to make bad friends on this list and I do
not have time for personal squabbling in my life. If you misunderstood the
intention of my post then I apologise to you as well. Often the written
word can be misinterpreted - it may have sounded different if we were
standing face to face. I apologise to you as well.

Best wishes to you all,
Jerry Evans in South Africa.

P.S. The "Digest" I am answering actually arrived late yesterday afternoon
(our time). We had a show today and I have not have time to reply earlier. 
	
	
	




Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:04:59 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Message-ID: <001501c5c54a$3bd31c30$269f81cb at ogborneuah38i3>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
>individual............damming with faint praise!
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
<big snip)
Best regards
Jerry Evans.
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Oct  1 20:40:04 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:40:04
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter Ogborne)
In-Reply-To: <200510011600.j91G0QM7010726@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051001204004.009a99e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hello Curt,
	On sending my last post the new digest arrived.

	From this I can see that you agreed with Peter.  So once again I've gotta
apologise to you both and any other list members - I apologise again
Jerry

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:13:43 +0000
From: cgandree at mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

Yes Peter I agree some folks do appreciate info that they may not of heard 
before and glad you and few others can be helped by it.
thankyou very much,
Curt


> Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
> individual............damming with faint praise!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Oct  1 13:31:57 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:31:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: Cotton is in the fields!
In-Reply-To: <007601c5c6ad$c3ff0880$4b466e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <410-220051061141257375@coastalnet.com>
	<433EC055.8020505@wowway.com> <000401c5c6aa$dd763a20$fa4c1152@no1>
	<007601c5c6ad$c3ff0880$4b466e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <4bc3d72e38f138014933c63838f501b4@chartertn.net>

They introduced the then-huge 10 oz. drink bottles (when Coke came in 6 
1/2 oz. bottles), and the name suggested they were "knee high." Nehi 
grape and orange drinks were a Southern staple in my youth. There used 
to be a store in Alabama made like a huge Nehi bottle:
http://www.catsupbottle.com/otherfun/cousinspix/nehibottle.html

> Hi Dave,
>
> Nehi was a company that made a variety of soft drinks.
>
> Jim


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  1 15:07:43 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20.4e5e277f.306ff3dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051001220743.59057.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As I wrote before,,,,,  A little more info.
I used mine to drag a 1640 pound metal lathe down a set of planks and across a concrete floor.  The lathe was on a pair of 2X12 planks and the planks are what slid across the floor.  That is a lot of surface area, but it worked great.
 
NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.  
It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
 
Play safe.
 
Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
Williamsburg, Michigan

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Frank at lbpinc.com writes:

<< (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for rolling 
stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling' Straight pulling what, on what 
surfacer.) >>


I would think they meant 2000 lbs lifting capacity, but I would contact them 
to verify.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com

		
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  1 16:24:25 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:24:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mystery engine
Message-ID: <433F1AA9.8070902@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Went to one of my clubs shows today. It is part of a city festival. Our 
club is part of it with the engine dispay, tractors, and sawmill. Not 
the best turnout of engines, but a few nice sideshafts running. The 
sawmill was awesome this year with six machines working. Four belted to 
tractors, and two to 8 HP Witte engines. I gave thought to taking the 
Maytag, but decided not to. My good buddy and family attended and I 
wanted to spend the day with them. He told his daughters, late teens, 
about it and they were excited. They remember the shows in Mindon, 
Nebraska much like this and always loved them. That Mindon show is where 
I fell in love with hit and miss engines many years ago. We had a great 
day visiting and enjoying the show. Great eats and a lovely 85 degree day.

I attend to club business much faster than personal site stuff, so 
pictures should be up soon. For now I'll leave you with a mytery engine 
to look at. It has a bevel gear under the plastic cover in the photos 
that probably drove a shaft for a washer. Might have been a prototype, 
or perhaps military. It also rotates opposite of most engines of this 
type including Maytags.

http://frapa.us/Mystery/Mystery.html

Back to work.

Jeff Allen



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Oct  1 17:52:21 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:52:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter
	Ogborne)
References: <3.0.6.32.20051001204004.009a99e0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000c01c5c6eb$fd697bd0$aa9881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Don't get too upset about it Jerry, I 'm not .Just keep your very good 
website going but if i could offer some advice.......most of us are well 
versed in the inglish language but we are not all akademics and may not like 
to have our spelling corrected. Were you a school teacher in another life?
I am a bit pissed off about the Rugby situation!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter Ogborne)


> Hello Curt,
> On sending my last post the new digest arrived.
>
> From this I can see that you agreed with Peter.  So once again I've gotta
> apologise to you both and any other list members - I apologise again
> Jerry
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:13:43 +0000
> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
> Yes Peter I agree some folks do appreciate info that they may not of heard
> before and glad you and few others can be helped by it.
> thankyou very much,
> Curt
>
>
>> Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising
>> individual............damming with faint praise!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Oct  1 17:54:19 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:54:19 +0800
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <20051001220743.59057.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c5c6ec$002feed0$aa9881cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Alan ,as a matter of interest ,does it have made in China on it.? These 
winches are available here and also seem to be OK.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch


> As I wrote before,,,,,  A little more info.
> I used mine to drag a 1640 pound metal lathe down a set of planks and 
> across a concrete floor.  The lathe was on a pair of 2X12 planks and the 
> planks are what slid across the floor.  That is a lot of surface area, but 
> it worked great.
>
> NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.
> It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
>
> Play safe.
>
> Alan Bowen  rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Williamsburg, Michigan
>
> Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/30/2005 11:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Frank at lbpinc.com writes:
>
> << (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for 
> rolling
> stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling' Straight pulling what, on what
> surfacer.) >>
>
>
> I would think they meant 2000 lbs lifting capacity, but I would contact 
> them
> to verify.
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Oct  1 19:38:27 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:38:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all;
Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in and 
everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as 
trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when 
installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp 
roundrod, the bottom head stud is exposed to the coolant..unlike the 
others....and it had already corroded.  Next time I'm going to a stainless 
stud.

   And then Eco wouldn't start, so pulled the Webster and played with the 
igniter points and man are they tired.  Some time ago we talked about 
replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm 
thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think?

  Tomorrow, hopefully will be a good crankup day for the Gal.

  And the Steamer is coming closer and closer everyday for using up some 
boiled water.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188300547/434702255hUGlnm



later,
RickinMt.


 


From segray at mlode.com  Sat Oct  1 21:42:53 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:42:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Semi OT:  Holtzer-Cabot motor
Message-ID: <433F654D.4000704@mlode.com>

Hi All -

   Just curious if anyone has ever run across a "Holtzer-Cabot" electric 
motor. I had one given to me about 2 months ago and just finished 
cleaning it up. It may end up on my large display trailer. Between some 
family emergencies, I managed to get a quick page drawn up for it at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/motor.html.

TTYL

- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct  2 03:18:53 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT (Curt Andree & Peter
	Ogborne)
Message-ID: <100220051018.2496.433FB40D0006D8D2000009C021979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Jerry,
No apology is needed as we are all entitled to our opinion.  OT comments seem 
to always creat problems and thats why  I very seldom bring any to the list.
Enough said, will only post engine related stuff in the future.
regards,
Curt


> Hello Curt (Andree) and Peter Ogborne,
> 	Peter wrote:
> "Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
> individual............damming with faint praise!"
> 
> 	Curt please accept this as a personal apology to you (and all list
> members) if you understood my reply to be what Peter Ogborne has described
> it as. I assume it was my reply he was alluding to because mine was the
> only reply (there were more later) before he wrote. Also, he included the
> text from my post in his answer.
> 
> 	It was not (and never will be) my intention to be "patronising" or
> "damming" (we spell it "damning") toward yourself or any other list member.
> I am a relative newbie to this hobby (and list) and have a tremendous
> respect for all list members. Most of you have already forgotten what I
> still need to learn. I have made a lot of friends via this list although
> I've never met one of you face to face. I have also received a lot of help
> from list members for which I am very grateful. 
> 
> 	Curt, if you felt that my reply was in any way disrespectful or in any
> other way unaccepteable then I beg forgiveness. It was not meant to be any
> of those things (or what Peter described it as). I'm sorry.
> 
> 	Peter, it is not my intention to make bad friends on this list and I do
> not have time for personal squabbling in my life. If you misunderstood the
> intention of my post then I apologise to you as well. Often the written
> word can be misinterpreted - it may have sounded different if we were
> standing face to face. I apologise to you as well.
> 
> Best wishes to you all,
> Jerry Evans in South Africa.
> 
> P.S. The "Digest" I am answering actually arrived late yesterday afternoon
> (our time). We had a show today and I have not have time to reply earlier. 
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 6
> >Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:04:59 +0800
> >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: A "New" Credit Card Scam OT
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Message-ID: <001501c5c54a$3bd31c30$269f81cb at ogborneuah38i3>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >	reply-type=original
> >
> >Thanks Curt, I do appreciate your posting unlike some patronising 
> >individual............damming with faint praise!
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> <big snip)
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  2 06:11:25 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:11:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001001c5c752$d93bae60$230110ac@PAUL>

Nice looking steam engine Rick, I would love to see that thing run.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


>  Howdy all;
> Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in and 
> everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as 
> trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when 
> installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 06:43:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 07:43:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once and thanks to Paul P.
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
	<001001c5c752$d93bae60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV16EE74BD990A055BAC1D21BB810@phx.gbl>

Thanks Paul!!  It's been a fun, rewarding, and educational trip fer sure. 
Being a closet luvin' steamer, I can't wait to get the smarts in order to 
boil water safely.  For now we'll just use compressed air.

  It came out of a sawmill here in the "Bitteroot Valley"...we believe it 
possibly drove a blade sharpener.  Wachs is still in business out of Chicago 
but not into steam anymore.  We have been in touch with the president who's 
helped us out some.

  On a second note, I'd like to personally send MANY THANKS to Paul P.  down 
under.  I came by this very tired old Lunk. displacement oiler for the 
Wach's....found JUNIOR stamped on it  and sure enough Paul P.  had the 
JUNIOR in his fantastic website.  THANKS MUCH PAUL!! helps us a lot.  "you 
da mate."  <vbg>

  Now we just need a belt driven governor.

Well today is crankup time for the Gal sawing outfit so wish me luck

later,
RickinMt.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


> Nice looking steam engine Rick, I would love to see that thing run.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
>
>
> >  Howdy all;
> > Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in 
> > and
> > everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as
> > trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when
> > installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp
>
>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Oct  2 06:49:37 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:49:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <200509301600.j8UG05Bj017631@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050930231328.02a79dd0@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>

Standard rating for winches is to list dead weight capacity and rolling
weight capacity. BUT you have to read the fine print to find the numbers
on some manufacturers gear. For the HF units they are 2000# dead weight
on level ground and 6000 pounds rolling on level ground. Dead lift would
be the same as dead weight rating. BUT most of the low end winches are
NOT set up to be used as hoists because they lack a locking brake for
the spool. Remember that an easy way to increase the pulling power is to
add a snatch block in the cable and double the line pull, at reduced
line speed (which is usually a good thing when your moving a lot of
weight) I have two of the HF 110 hoists mounted in my shop. They work
OK, fit and finish isn't as "pretty" as others But I bought them to work
not look fancy. They are also real easy to work on if needed.

Steve W.




> Looks like a good one but dose anyone know how to convert the rating
2000
> lb winch to a dead lift (Example Hoist)
> (The 2000 lb is said to be "Up to 6000 lbs. pulling capacity for
rolling
> stock, 2000 lbs. for straight pulling'  Straight pulling what, on what
> surfacer.)
> Perhaps a 2000 lb engine on grass and dirt, or perhaps a 2000 lb
engine on
> small round stones or maybe on Ice,  I don't know.
>
> Frank
>
> At 12:00 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote:



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 06:57:10 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:57:10 EDT
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
Message-ID: <1e4.450668a5.30714136@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/1/2005 10:48:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< Some time ago we talked about 
 replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm 
 thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think? >>

Rick,

Two simple items usually around the shop can be used and last a long time for 
us occasional runners.  Mild steel rivets like those used on hay mower 
sections, and finish nails have great heads on them too.  Come in all different 
sizes and usually will fit what you are fixing.  The mild steel makes for easy 
peening to the arms.  Drill the old ones out and install the new ones in a few 
minutes.  Works for me!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 07:25:53 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:25:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
References: <1e4.450668a5.30714136@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV18191213A01A75C7D471DABB810@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tom...sounds like a plan

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


> In a message dated 10/1/2005 10:48:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << Some time ago we talked about
>  replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm
>  thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think? >>
>
> Rick,
>
> Two simple items usually around the shop can be used and last a long time 
> for
> us occasional runners.  Mild steel rivets like those used on hay mower
> sections, and finish nails have great heads on them too.  Come in all 
> different
> sizes and usually will fit what you are fixing.  The mild steel makes for 
> easy
> peening to the arms.  Drill the old ones out and install the new ones in a 
> few
> minutes.  Works for me!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Oct  2 07:29:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT- Right handed gloves??
In-Reply-To: <F959BF01-31F4-11DA-B886-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
References: <F959BF01-31F4-11DA-B886-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510021025080.47512@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Paul,

The problem is mice.  I'm guessing that you're right handed?  The hand
wielding the stick gets much hotter than the support hand and thus sweats
much more.  The mice prefer the salty gloves to the others.  There's a
similar problem with canoe paddles and porcupines up north.
Hope that helps...

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Paul + Colleen Gray wrote:

> I went to do some welding yesterday and grabbed at my pile of leather
> gloves. For some reason, there was only left-handed gloves in the pile
> of about 6. Are all my gloves going to the left?? I try to run a
> strictly non-political shop... Where are the rights??  Are gremlins
> sneakin' in at night and using the rights??  I scoured the shop and
> found no rights. I had to go to my glove stash in the truck to find a
> right handed glove.  Are there a bunch of  greasy Michael Jackson
> clones running around town? Sure didn't see anything in the paper....
> is this an isolated occurrence ? Very strange.....



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct  2 08:49:00 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:49:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>


Here's a few thoughts on the matter. Most importantly, a winch is not a hoist;
it's not made for overhead lifting.  

I've got two winches, a 2500 lb. Ramsey in the back of our little truck.  The
heaviest engine I've put in that truck weighs in at just over 1,000 pounds.  The
winch pulls that load fine, but it strains when the wheels on the cart butt up
against the lip at the bottom of the steep ramps.  The Ramsey is loud, and the
plastic enclosure for the solenoids is delicate.

A 3,500 pound Warn is mounted in the trailer.  It's quieter than the Ramsey and
the solenoids are contained in a nicer box that can be mounted separately from
the winch.  The largest load that winch has pulled is an engine weighing in at
about 6,500 pounds.  Again, it strains when the rollers are stuck at the bottom
of the ramps.  For this setup, I typically use a snatch block.  This is the
minimum size winch for what I'm doing. 

The Harbor Freight winches seem intriguing, mainly because they cost a fraction
of that of a domestically built winch.  However, experience has taught me to be
wary of that outfit.  I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and never been
completely satisfied.  The price is good, quality is usually lacking.  

Now consider a winch;  it's not something like a drillmotor that you just toss
aside if it fails.  What happens if your winch fails?  It might not be a pretty
sight and it's probably not going to happen at a convenient time or location.

Take a look at the HF 8000 pound winch.  At $299, it would seem a steal.  
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40764

Now look at the specs.  You can't use those numbers for power consumption and
come up with 1.8 horsepower.  They're liars.  Yes, there are marketing types who
will try to explain away their claims, but I like to do math the old way.  Look
at the speed of the winch.  With no load, the winch will reel in at 13 feet per
minute.  Put a load on it and the speed drops off quickly.  At full load the
winch reels in at a whopping 4.5 feet per minute.  An energetic guy on a
come-along can do 4.5 feet a minute.  Maybe the winch comes with a brick that
can be placed on the switch so you can get a cup of coffee while waiting for the
engine to be loaded into the trailer.    

Yes, my opinions are skewed.  
Yes, I despise that company.  
Yes, I'll probably buy their junk again.  

Rob





From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Oct  2 09:44:34 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:44:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <48u2fu$1bifdra@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>


>
> The Harbor Freight winches seem intriguing, mainly because they cost a fraction
> of that of a domestically built winch.  However, experience has taught me to be
> wary of that outfit.  I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and never been
> completely satisfied.  The price is good, quality is usually lacking.  

> Rob
> 
I figure you get what you pay for and less.
J.B. Castagnos


From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 11:07:15 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:07:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBIENMEGAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


From: Rob Skinner

>I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and
>never been completely satisfied.  The price is good,
> quality is usually lacking.

That's been my experience too Rob.  We have a store just 7 or 8 miles
away ... very tempting sometimes, but I generally look around and leave
without making a purchase.   If I do purchase, it is something
"expendable" that I can throw away and not feel too badly about making
"another mistake."   I would never buy anything from HF that could cause
damage to other property (like an engine) when it decides to snap in
half!  (note, I said "when" NOT "if")

Carl




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 11:40:58 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:40:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510021140h7ebf1c48qcdf8d1cc8c464155@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

<snipped>

> Take a look at the HF 8000 pound winch.  At $299, it would seem a steal.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40764
>
> Now look at the specs.  You can't use those numbers for power consumption and
> come up with 1.8 horsepower.  They're liars.

<yet more snipping>

> Rob

They quote:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12 volts, 1.8 HP, 37.5 amp draw; Drum diameter: 2.5''; Gear ratio:
210:1; Cable: 5/16'' x 95 ft.; Overall dimensions: 20-11/16''L x
3-1/8''W x 6-15/16''H; Bolt pattern: 10'' x 4.5''; Shipping weight:
106 lbs.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On a straightforward conversion, that is 410 watts or 0.603 hp, so
somebody should be shouting at the advertising standards people...

There has been explosive growth in the cheap tools market, as Taiwan
and China flood the market with parts that a few years ago you
wouldn't have been able to afford.

>From a safety aspect these are dangerous goods, as few have proper
certification or proof testing, so the accident history is probably
pretty bad, especially for people not used to handling heavy loads and
having no instruction on the correct use of winching systems.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Sun Oct  2 15:20:44 2005
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:20:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43405D3C.6010609@matthewsfarm.com>

On the engines that Jim  Dunmyer and I made last winter we used nickel 
welding rod.  It seems to be holding up just fine after at least 100 
hours of run time.  The engines do not have a spark saver on the 
ignition so the points fire on every other revolution whether leaded or not.

Bob


>
>   And then Eco wouldn't start, so pulled the Webster and played with the 
>igniter points and man are they tired.  Some time ago we talked about 
>replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm 
>thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think?
>
> 
>  
>


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 16:25:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:25:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>

G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood 
in:-))

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF

Rick..the happy camper 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 16:29:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:29:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
	<43405D3C.6010609@matthewsfarm.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19AB3C4D3612CEDD5C7199BB810@phx.gbl>

Ok..thanks Bob..that's a new one on me and know where I can get some.

Preciate it

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Matthews" <bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)


> On the engines that Jim  Dunmyer and I made last winter we used nickel
> welding rod.  It seems to be holding up just fine after at least 100
> hours of run time.  The engines do not have a spark saver on the
> ignition so the points fire on every other revolution whether leaded or 
> not.
>
> Bob
>
>
> >
> >   And then Eco wouldn't start, so pulled the Webster and played with the
> >igniter points and man are they tired.  Some time ago we talked about
> >replacing the contacts, but don't remember what would be the best.  I'm
> >thinkin' now a stainless steel rivet.   whatcha all think?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Oct  2 16:21:51 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:21:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051002153515.02896858@web1.nlenet.net>

The rating of winches bothers me because it is nearly useless info  Both 
Dead weight and rolling weight depend on friction

It isn't just HF that does this, They all do.  I think they use 15 amp 
Vacuum Cleaner motors to run the winches

Frank



>Standard rating for winches is to list dead weight capacity and rolling
>weight capacity. BUT you have to read the fine print to find the numbers
>on some manufacturers gear. For the HF units they are 2000# dead weight
>on level ground and 6000 pounds rolling on level ground. Dead lift would
>be the same as dead weight rating. BUT most of the low end winches are
>NOT set up to be used as hoists because they lack a locking brake for
>the spool. Remember that an easy way to increase the pulling power is to
>add a snatch block in the cable and double the line pull, at reduced
>line speed (which is usually a good thing when your moving a lot of
>weight) I have two of the HF 110 hoists mounted in my shop. They work
>OK, fit and finish isn't as "pretty" as others But I bought them to work
>not look fancy. They are also real easy to work on if needed.
>
>Steve W.
>**********************************

  Frank DeWitt

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<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 18:07:47 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:07:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210359.041181e0@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:49 AM 10/2/2005, you wrote:

>Here's a few thoughts on the matter. Most importantly, a winch is not a hoist;
>it's not made for overhead lifting.
>Rob

Good doG, That's why the damn thing is called a WINCH!
         Dave
PS, Books, school, eat!
PPS, Spent over $600.00 at Harbor Freight Stores in the the past 2 weeks 
and am more than satisfied! 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 18:12:52 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:12:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510021140h7ebf1c48qcdf8d1cc8c464155@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <013001c5c758$216a6f00$a91117d1@net.telenet.net>
	<20051002154903.D251A239317@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6f6025160510021140h7ebf1c48qcdf8d1cc8c464155@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210906.041568f8@mail.alltel.net>


> From a safety aspect these are dangerous goods, as few have proper
>certification or proof testing, so the accident history is probably
>pretty bad, especially for people not used to handling heavy loads and
>having no instruction on the correct use of winching systems.
>Peter

Hi Peter, it simply cleans out the gene pool--that's what doG intended!
         Dave
PS, If you have NO PROOF of "accident history" you should not make such 
STUPID statements--it gives the English a BAD name! 



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 18:31:25 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:31:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051001220743.59057.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c5c7ba$2c862340$a9a9e104@OFFICELEW>

I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
suitable you'd sell?

Thanx!

Lew Best in Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch

<<snip>>
NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.  
It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
 

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct  2 18:42:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:42:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210359.041181e0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051003014207.C53222394CE@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

> PPS, Spent over $600.00 at Harbor Freight Stores in the the 
> past 2 weeks and am more than satisfied! 

Dave,
Just because you're a rich Melikan financing the military buildup of those
Chi-Com bastards so they can invade Taiwan and threaten us with nuclear war, it
doesn't make you a bad person.  I'm sure Wen Ho Lee is also a really nice guy if
you meet him in person.  

Rob

P.S.
Feel free to come crying to us when your pot metal tow bar turns into a pretzel.
We're a sympathetic and compassionate bunch who will console you in your time of
woe.  

P.P.S.
Please, I can't wait.  What did the Chi-coms offer you in exchange for your
Melikan Dorra?







From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Oct  2 19:03:14 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:03:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch, alternative hoist 
In-Reply-To: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200510021600.j92G042m011896@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051002214447.01cfed90@web1.nlenet.net>

This is my favorite Hoist is this one
http://www.proengcorp.com/hoistpage.htm
Sold by McMaster Carr
http://www.mcmaster.com/ctlg/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=1298&CtlgEdition=&sesnextrep=528175655184940&ScreenWidth=1280&McMMainWidth=0

It is not cheep ($130) but it is very well made, easy to use, and gives 
great control.  I modified mine so I can use either the hand crank or a 
cordless drill.

Let me know if you want pix.

Frank DeWitt



At 12:00 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
>I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
>load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
>cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
>something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
>without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
>suitable you'd sell?
>
>Thanx!
>
>Lew Best in Waco, TX

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 19:17:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:17:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <20051003014207.C53222394CE@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002210359.041181e0@mail.alltel.net>
	<20051003014207.C53222394CE@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002214921.04197730@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:42 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
> > PPS, Spent over $600.00 at Harbor Freight Stores in the the
> > past 2 weeks and am more than satisfied!
>
>Dave,
>Just because you're a rich Melikan financing the military buildup of those
>Chi-Com bastards so they can invade Taiwan and threaten us with nuclear 
>war, it
>doesn't make you a bad person.

Thank you for your understanding. It's much like my understanding of the 
PRICE GOUGING that BIG OIL is doing to the American public, and the part 
that the gal you are sleeping with plays in the GOUGING!

>   I'm sure Wen Ho Lee is also a really nice guy if you meet him in person.

Wen (or as I call him "HO") is a great guy. He really likes Old Mil and is 
down to earth in most of the face to face conversations that we have had, 
He seems really interested in what Arnie  could do for his people and keeps 
asking for Arnie's address. We intend to drive by Arnie's place mid week so 
that HO's main man can copy down the number. (When I told HO (that's what I 
call him) that Arnie lived on Webster street he said "Just like the 
magneto--yes?" HO knows his shit!

>
>Rob
>
>P.S.
>Feel free to come crying to us when your pot metal tow bar turns into a 
>pretzel.

Pot metal breaks, it does NOT turn into a pretzel! (HO [that's what I call 
him] tells me that this is so!)

>We're a sympathetic and compassionate bunch who will console you in your 
>time of
>woe.
>
>P.P.S.
>Please, I can't wait.  What did the Chi-coms offer you in exchange for your
>Melikan Dorra?

HO (that's what I call him) says that if I can deliver Arnie  my children's 
children's children and all that follow after them will have all the tools 
they can ever wish for!
         Dave
PS, Please don't tell HO that I speak EUBONICS!
PPS, In 2005 an annual income of $869,000.00 DOES NOT make one rich!  



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Oct  2 19:24:14 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:24:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

I'd be happy too if that was in my shed!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "John Cullom" <jcullom at adelphia.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo


> G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood 
> in:-))
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF
> 
> Rick..the happy camper 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 19:48:41 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:48:41 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[SEL]=20New=20Engine=20Acquisition=20(Hercules=20?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?-=20Economy=201=BD=20HP)?=
Message-ID: <30.7c2adb47.3071f609@aol.com>

Hi List,
The engine (Hercules - Economy 1? HP) for which that I needed  information is 
now in my garage. 
I advertised for a "Hit - Miss" engine on "Craigslist for San Luis  Obispo".  
The seller contacted me and sent me pictures of the engine.   Of course, 
after I received the pictures, I asked the list for data on this  engine.  Thanks 
to those list members who identified the engine for me, I  now have another 
engine in my stable.  I also received several old copies  of the Gas Engine 
Magazine with the engine.
The engine is not perfect.  The intake valve was stuck and is  free now.  It 
has a retrofitted non original engine manufacturer  magneto.  This magneto is 
chain driven from the crankshaft and it has  spark.  The bottom part of the 
piston skirt is broken.  However, it  looks like it has been in this condition 
for some time.  There are two non  adjacent broken teeth on the cam gear.  I am 
thinking of welding  some cast iron nickel material in broken tooth area and 
then grinding  each tooth back to shape.  The fuel tank leaks and will require 
 repair.  Hopefully, I will be able to get it running soon.
The engine came from the High Desert area and it was owned by the  previous 
owner's late Grandfather.  He also stated that his  Grandfather (Bob Stapleton) 
belonged to the High Desert antique Power  Association.  
Now the questions:
    1.    Are there  existing timing marks on the crankshaft and cam gears?
    2.    Is there any  other method I should consider in repairing the cam 
gear?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  2 19:56:43 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:56:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT- Right handed gloves??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510021025080.47512@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <F959BF01-31F4-11DA-B886-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510021025080.47512@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051002222559.041b0158@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:29 AM 10/2/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>The problem is mice.  I'm guessing that you're right handed?  The hand
>wielding the stick gets much hotter than the support hand and thus sweats
>much more.  The mice prefer the salty gloves to the others.  There's a
>similar problem with canoe paddles and porcupines up north.
>Hope that helps...
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Paul,
         I was not going to get in on this threat at all until Arnie 
offered you the above advice--which is TOTALLY wrong. However, given his 
advice to you I believe that I must set the record straight!
         Now I've known Arnie for some time now and he and I have been 
through a LOT together. He is my best friend and one hell of a nuclear 
engineer. In all his years of designing nuclear plants here in the USA he 
has never had a MELTDOWN (TMI does not count because it only went half way, 
and Chernobyl was not in the USA!)
         None the less, Arnie is simply WRONG on what has happened to your 
right handed gloves. It has NOTHING to do with mice, in fact mice are much 
too small to haul a welding glove away.
         I would suggest, however, that Arnie is correct that you are right 
handed--or at least that you wipe yourself with your right hand after you 
finish your "business."
         Now, no matter how well you wash your hands after you finish the 
odor remains, at least enough that a groundhog (or a democrat) could smell 
it. Clearly, one of the two of them has been making off with your glove! If 
it was a groundhog you will find it in his hole, if it was a democrat you 
may never find your gloves because they will have been eaten!
         Dave



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 21:12:04 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:12:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>

Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
of wenches, fold up and fit in a corner for storage and will out lift one
of those small little wench/hoist things everyone seems to be sold on. 
Another alternative, go to a used construction auction and pick up a ele.
walk behind  fork lift, I got one for $35 and it will lift over 1000 lbs up
to 6 feet high.  They take up no more storage space than the engine lift. 
I've loaded many engine in and out of my truck and on and off my trailer
with the 2 and on to my bench for working.  

Tim Christoff

> [Original Message]
> From: Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/2/2005 8:31:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>
> I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
> load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
> cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
> something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
> without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
> suitable you'd sell?
>
> Thanx!
>
> Lew Best in Waco, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>
> <<snip>>
> NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.  
> It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
>  
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 21:27:24 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:27:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c5c7d2$c1ed4860$bd02e304@notebook>

well, unfortunately it's not that simple.  what I want to build is kind of
hard to describe but it's a boom that would mount on my trailer about 12'
long that works like a trolley with an electric winch to pick up bee hives &
position them on the trailer.  would have an up/down switch for each thumb
mounted on the bracket that lifts the hive; one switch would pick the hive
up; other move the hive carrier in & out on the boom (can use one of those
little 40 bux winches for that I know) after you swivel the boom into
position.

Lew
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch


> Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
> of wenches, fold up and fit in a corner for storage and will out lift one
> of those small little wench/hoist things everyone seems to be sold on.
> Another alternative, go to a used construction auction and pick up a ele.
> walk behind  fork lift, I got one for $35 and it will lift over 1000 lbs
up
> to 6 feet high.  They take up no more storage space than the engine lift.
> I've loaded many engine in and out of my truck and on and off my trailer
> with the 2 and on to my bench for working.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/2/2005 8:31:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
> >
> > I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
> > load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
> > cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
> > something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
> > without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
> > suitable you'd sell?
> >
> > Thanx!
> >
> > Lew Best in Waco, TX
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
> >
> > <<snip>>
> > NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.
> > It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
> >
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Oct  3 00:29:06 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:29:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c5c7ec$273e49d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick, I'm wondering how it sits.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Ricksawpic.jpg

John H.



> G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood 
> in:-))
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF
> 
> Rick..the happy camper 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct  3 09:17:40 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:17:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <20051003.123122.300.24.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

Good for you !!!

Just be carefull.

I had a Buzz Saw - Used to run it at shows cutting slices of 6" log.

Made a stencil of a Smiley Face out of gallon milk bottle plastic

and sprayed Smiley Faces with junk spray paint - (as a give-away) - on
the slices.

The people loved them.

Got to be a pain to drag around - and - I was always afraid someone 
would get too close - Sold it.

But it was fun while it lasted.

Good Job !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 14:15:21 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:15:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2005 7:51:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< ..the picture tells all.  >>

Whew!  A quick glance at that picture and I thought you had sawed the upper 
half of the axle in 2!!


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Oct  3 09:55:19 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:55:19 -0500
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_New_Engine_Acquisition_=28Hercules_-_Econo?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?my_1=BD_HP=29?=
References: <30.7c2adb47.3071f609@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5c83b$3ea42e60$f6ef123f@oemcomputer>

Francis,

The cam gear has a pointed mark cast at the rim.  That mark lines up with
the crankshaft key for proper timing.

The most pressure on the cam gear teeth is when it pushes the exhaust valve
open.  The rest of the time, the pressure is minimal so where the teeth are
broken at has to do with how good of a repair you need to make.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Engine Acquisition (Hercules - Economy 1? HP)


Hi List,
The engine (Hercules - Economy 1? HP) for which that I needed  information
is
now in my garage.
I advertised for a "Hit - Miss" engine on "Craigslist for San Luis  Obispo".
The seller contacted me and sent me pictures of the engine.   Of course,
after I received the pictures, I asked the list for data on this  engine.
Thanks
to those list members who identified the engine for me, I  now have another
engine in my stable.  I also received several old copies  of the Gas Engine
Magazine with the engine.
The engine is not perfect.  The intake valve was stuck and is  free now.  It
has a retrofitted non original engine manufacturer  magneto.  This magneto
is
chain driven from the crankshaft and it has  spark.  The bottom part of the
piston skirt is broken.  However, it  looks like it has been in this
condition
for some time.  There are two non  adjacent broken teeth on the cam gear.  I
am
thinking of welding  some cast iron nickel material in broken tooth area and
then grinding  each tooth back to shape.  The fuel tank leaks and will
require
 repair.  Hopefully, I will be able to get it running soon.
The engine came from the High Desert area and it was owned by the  previous
owner's late Grandfather.  He also stated that his  Grandfather (Bob
Stapleton)
belonged to the High Desert antique Power  Association.
Now the questions:
    1.    Are there  existing timing marks on the crankshaft and cam gears?
    2.    Is there any  other method I should consider in repairing the cam
gear?

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct  3 04:12:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:12:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
	<000701c5c7ec$273e49d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12178131A005AE54CA02F8BB800@phx.gbl>

Isn't that bizarre John?  John Cullom noticed it first and mentioned it to 
me.  One thing about Galloway..they had very sharp blades :-))

  Well they say: "One's best pictures are the mistakes."  <vbg>

Wonder if I can do it again

Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Hi Rick, I'm wondering how it sits.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Ricksawpic.jpg
>
> John H.
>
>
>
> > G'day all...the picture tells all.  Just in time to get the winter wood
> > in:-))
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF
> >
> > Rick..the happy camper
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct  3 07:32:43 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:32:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/Mike needs a shed.
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4341410B.5070703@imc-group.com>

Mike Royster wrote:

>I'd be happy too if that was in my shed!!!!
>  
>
Wot shed? :-)
Curt
P.S. What's the latest count of rare engines under blue tarps in the 
back yard? :-)



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Oct  3 22:41:24 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:41:24
Subject: [SEL] R.S.M.E open day pics
Message-ID: <20051003224562.SM00780@new>

Hi All,
	The Rand Society of Model Engineers (R.S.M.E.) held their open day on
Saturday 1st October 2005.

Write up and pics are here:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans> 

The link is on the first page:

or go direct:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rsme/index.htm>

No Pics are bigger than 100 KBytes - I hope you enjoy them.

Special notes to:
	1) Dave R - sorry there was not much of interest for you here - I tried
but the best I could get was 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rsme/list5.jpg>

	2) Roland Craven - the Norman with the heads on wrong is also there -
still wrong !

Cheers
Jerry Evans in S.A.








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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 17:15:58 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:15:58 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Sylvester engine
Message-ID: <ac.7c420fa1.307323be@aol.com>

Received the below message from Ken looking for photos/information on the 
Sylvester engine.  Anyone with photos/information can contact him direct.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com

<<  In a message dated 10/3/2005 12:17:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
 > kensuzy at qldnet.com.au writes: 
 > 
 > << Do you have any photos of Sylvester engines? >> 
 > 
 > Ken,  >>





From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 19:50:59 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:50:59 EDT
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[SEL]=20New=20Engine=20Acquisition=20(Hercu?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?les=20-=20Econo=20my=201=BD=20HP)?=
Message-ID: <6.4ea98ad8.30734813@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/3/2005 7:38:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
glenn.karch at gte.net writes:

The cam  gear has a pointed mark cast at the rim.  That mark lines up with
the  crankshaft key for proper timing.


Glenn,
I found the same data just a few minutes ago at the following  site:
 
_Hercules  Engine Manual Index_ 
(http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/manual/Manual_index.html)  
 
Thanks,  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 20:00:12 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:00:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <d5.31fb1a70.30734a3c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/2/2005 9:49:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bee_keeper at earthlink.net writes:

well,  unfortunately it's not that simple.  what I want to build is kind  of
hard to describe but it's a boom that would mount on my trailer about  12'
long that works like a trolley with an electric winch to pick up bee  hives &
position them on the trailer. 


Lew,
I have seen a similar setup to handle bee hives mounted on  trucks.  However, 
I don't recollect if these units had electric hoists  and boom trolley 
drives.  The boom was made from an "I" beam with a  trolley that rolled back and 
forth.  The mast that held the boom was a  heavy and a large diameter piece of 
pipe and was allowed to rotate.   The boom mast was also guy wired.  The long 
boom with a load puts a large  bending force at the top of the mast which is 
transmitted to the base.  
Have you considered using a 12 volt starter motor for the boom  trolley?  I 
have seen starter motor used to drive rotary  type fuel pumps.
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Oct  3 20:12:22 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:12:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/Mike needs a shed.
References: <BAY5-DAV833A0D6C6166D955C6688BB810@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c5c7c1$8c964100$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
	<4341410B.5070703@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c5c891$706f90a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

Oh that really stings!!!  Lets talk about that Triumph in your garage!!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/Mike needs a shed.


> Mike Royster wrote:
> 
> >I'd be happy too if that was in my shed!!!!
> >  
> >
> Wot shed? :-)
> Curt
> P.S. What's the latest count of rare engines under blue tarps in the 
> back yard? :-)
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 22:43:25 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:43:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510032243s630d0d65gd9ac3f9c8720d02d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/05, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
> of wenches,
> Tim Christoff
>

Hey Tim:

Dolly, Kelley, Missy and the others may take exception to that statement! :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Oct  4 08:42:36 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:42:36
Subject: [SEL] Links page on my site
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051004084236.009b3108@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hello All,
	I'm finally getting around to making a links page on my site. 

	I'm toying with a few ideas to make it a little different from the usual
links page that has a long list of names to click on. Allow me to ramble on
here a bit about my ideas. I would appreciate your feedback and ideas.

	I'm thinking of splitting them up first by country ie. Links in U.S.A.,
British, Australian, European sites etc. These will pretty much be "general
interest sites" (engine related of course) and most of our sites would fall
into this category.

	Then I would like to have links to sites that deal with specific "makes"
eg. Ray Hooley ( Ruston & Hornsby), Peter Lowe ( R&V register), Duncan
Denman (Massey Harris registry), Peter Forbes (Lister and much more), John
Hammink (IHC),  and so on.

	Another section would be to "experts in their field" eg. Ted Brookover -
igniters.

	Next would be links to specific "D.I.Y. processes" (for want of a better
description). Here I mean to link to articles like "How to remove a stuck
flywheel", "Rust removal by electrolysis", "Building a transporter" and so on.

	I know that many of your sites do link to things like this and also that
most of the articles I want to link to are on your sites. My brain is a bit
"muddy" with ideas and trying to think up something new or different.

	Please also mail me the addresses (off list would probably be best - I do
not want to clutter up the mail list) of your sites or any interesting
articles you have for inclusion. A short description of your choice would
also be good.

	While on the subject of links, If anyone wants to link to my page I would
appreciate the punt. A description could be "Jerry Evans - Old Engines in
South Africa" The address is:

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans>.

At this stage my site consists mainly of photographs taken at local shows
and my main intention here is to put up pictures that are clear and
detailed so that viewers can see actual detail on the engines - good for
reference. I also like to put up my pics as large as possible (800 x 600)
but keep file sizes down for faster loading. 

	Search engines take into account how many other pages have links to your
page when deciding on a rating - the more the merrier. I have spent some
time trying to opitimise my pages for Google and am pleased to say that on
a few search terms I come out on top of the first page of Google.

	Thanks in advance.
Jerry Evans in S.A.

	


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct  4 04:58:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:58:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <20051003.123122.300.24.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV14AB80B5B46E8B22B74DEBB830@phx.gbl>

Pip;
  I must admit that spinning blade is a little intimidating.  Not scared of 
it, maybe just a tad too much respect.

  Always recruiting ideas on safety guards..especially on the side and 
between the blade and engine head.

  Will wear safety glassses and gloves.

later,
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Hi Rick,
>
> Good for you !!!
>
> Just be carefull.
>
> I had a Buzz Saw - Used to run it at shows cutting slices of 6" log.
>
> Made a stencil of a Smiley Face out of gallon milk bottle plastic
>
> and sprayed Smiley Faces with junk spray paint - (as a give-away) - on
> the slices.
>
> The people loved them.
>
> Got to be a pain to drag around - and - I was always afraid someone
> would get too close - Sold it.
>
> But it was fun while it lasted.
>
> Good Job !!!
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them -
>  \/)"(\/             confuse them."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct  4 05:01:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:01:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl>

Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure as 
I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the same 
angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the blade.

Dunno, but it's kewl

Take Care,
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> In a message dated 10/2/2005 7:51:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << ..the picture tells all.  >>
>
> Whew!  A quick glance at that picture and I thought you had sawed the 
> upper
> half of the axle in 2!!
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  4 06:28:08 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:28:08 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com>
	<BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure as 
> I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the same 
> angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the blade.
> Dunno, but it's kewl
> Take Care, Rick

Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct  4 08:41:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:41:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl>
	<000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>

Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the blade

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>
>
> > Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double 
> > exposure as
> > I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the 
> > same
> > angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the 
> > blade.
> > Dunno, but it's kewl
> > Take Care, Rick
>
> Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  4 09:31:13 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:31:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Variable Stroke Witte 
Message-ID: <BAY103-F14C4519844AFCC40A81575C8830@phx.gbl>

I came across this site during my lunch hour. I found it interesting so 
thought I'd pass it on to the SEL.

http://www.myengines.com/witte1.htm

An overall picture of the Witte can be found on the upper left corner of 
this guys main site which is located here:

http://www.myengines.com/

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  4 09:48:39 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:48:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1>
	<BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1>

Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
attached to the axle.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the blade
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >
> >
> > > Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double 
> > > exposure as
> > > I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the 
> > > same
> > > angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the 
> > > blade.
> > > Dunno, but it's kewl
> > > Take Care, Rick
> >
> > Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > England
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct  4 11:16:15 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200510134124421@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4324.165.206.180.102.1128449775.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

True the cost is less for such a lift, but after the engines are unloaded,
I can go dancing and dining with my wench.


Bill


> Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a lot
> of wenches, fold up and fit in a corner for storage and will out lift one
> of those small little wench/hoist things everyone seems to be sold on.
> Another alternative, go to a used construction auction and pick up a ele.
> walk behind  fork lift, I got one for $35 and it will lift over 1000 lbs
> up
> to 6 feet high.  They take up no more storage space than the engine lift.
> I've loaded many engine in and out of my truck and on and off my trailer
> with the 2 and on to my bench for working.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: 10/2/2005 8:31:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>>
>> I'm considering a project that I'd wanted to use one of these to lift a
>> load of approximately 250-300 pounds maximum.  Can you suggest another
>> cheap 12v "hoist or winch" that would be suitable for this?  It's not
>> something I'd use often; maybe a half dozen times a year so "long life
>> without wearing out" not a real issue.  Maybe someone here has something
>> suitable you'd sell?
>>
>> Thanx!
>>
>> Lew Best in Waco, TX
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bowen
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:08 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>>
>> <<snip>>
>> NO,  It is NOT to be used for vertical lifting.
>> It is a Winch  NOT a Hoist.
>>
>>
>> --
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Tue Oct  4 18:42:17 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:42:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT  Linotype Parts Available
References: <BAY5-DAV61CE4A1B0AE88230C65C4BB810@phx.gbl>
	<001001c5c752$d93bae60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<BAY5-DAV16EE74BD990A055BAC1D21BB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003201c5c94e$04e5faa0$64bed2cc@pengy>

The foundry that I work at just bought all of the cast iron parts from a 
model 5 Linotype machine.  The castings are all in good shape and I am 
putting the word out that I have parts in case anyone with a model 5 is 
missing parts or has a broken part.  The parts will be available for a 
couple of weeks before they are fed into the furnace and melted down.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once and thanks to Paul P.


> Thanks Paul!!  It's been a fun, rewarding, and educational trip fer sure. 
> Being a closet luvin' steamer, I can't wait to get the smarts in order to 
> boil water safely.  For now we'll just use compressed air.
>
>  It came out of a sawmill here in the "Bitteroot Valley"...we believe it 
> possibly drove a blade sharpener.  Wachs is still in business out of 
> Chicago but not into steam anymore.  We have been in touch with the 
> president who's helped us out some.
>
>  On a second note, I'd like to personally send MANY THANKS to Paul P. 
> down under.  I came by this very tired old Lunk. displacement oiler for 
> the Wach's....found JUNIOR stamped on it  and sure enough Paul P.  had the 
> JUNIOR in his fantastic website.  THANKS MUCH PAUL!! helps us a lot.  "you 
> da mate."  <vbg>
>
>  Now we just need a belt driven governor.
>
> Well today is crankup time for the Gal sawing outfit so wish me luck
>
> later,
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
>
>
>> Nice looking steam engine Rick, I would love to see that thing run.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:38 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] All comes together at once :-)
>>
>>
>> >  Howdy all;
>> > Well the ring for the Gal sawing outfit showed up today and got her in 
>> > and
>> > everything back together.  I took the head off to install the piston as
>> > trying to keep the rings oriented on the "pin" was kickin' my rear when
>> > installing from the other end.  One thing I did notice is that on a 5hp
>>
>>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  4 19:08:01 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:08:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
Message-ID: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>


I guess the "I" before "E" except after "C" rule won't do me any good on
this misspelled mistake.

Tim


:
>
> > Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a
lot
> > of wenches,
> > Tim Christoff
> >
>
> Hey Tim:
>
> Dolly, Kelley, Missy and the others may take exception to that statement!
:-))
>
> Peter
> --




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Oct  5 04:39:53 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4929.165.206.180.102.1128512393.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

And an email smell checker won't help since winch and wench are both words
and properly spelled.

Bill

:-)



>
> I guess the "I" before "E" except after "C" rule won't do me any good on
> this misspelled mistake.
>
> Tim
>
>
> :
>>
>> > Have you considered a engine lift (porta crane)?  The cost less than a
> lot
>> > of wenches,
>> > Tim Christoff
>> >
>>
>> Hey Tim:
>>
>> Dolly, Kelley, Missy and the others may take exception to that
>> statement!
> :-))
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 06:54:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:54:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>
	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>

I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? <vbg>. 
No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and 
girder above it), are not in two sections.

  I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where the 
blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".

  We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or ???

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
> attached to the axle.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>
>
> > Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the 
> > blade
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
> > > > exposure as
> > > > I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at 
> > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
> > > > blade.
> > > > Dunno, but it's kewl
> > > > Take Care, Rick
> > >
> > > Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> > > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> > > Dave Croft
> > > Warrington
> > > England
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct  5 07:53:22 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:53:22 EDT
Subject: [SEL] HECO Magneto
Message-ID: <1a0.3db0c7d1.307542e2@aol.com>

Hi List,
Does anyone have any data on a HECO single cylinder magneto?   It uses round 
stock for magnets.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Oct  5 08:16:54 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:16:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1>
	<BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com>

Rick,
You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having 
used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.

In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had 
insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The 
combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy. 
Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8" 
you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the 
teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade 
hammered properly to eliminate wobble.

In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder, 
so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of 
the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get 
into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are 
lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair 
day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and 
the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a 
miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen 
with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see 
evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.

Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to 
the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the 
log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the 
blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your safety.

And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of 
gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my 
buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip 
but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better 
to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the 
belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one 
of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening 
exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was 
forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th


Richard Strobel wrote:

>I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? <vbg>. 
>No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and 
>girder above it), are not in two sections.
>
>  I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where the 
>blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
>
>  We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or ???
>
>later,
>Rick
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
>>attached to the axle.
>>Dave Croft
>>Warrington
>>England
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the 
>>>blade
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
>>>>>exposure as
>>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at 
>>>>>the
>>>>>same
>>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
>>>>>blade.
>>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
>>>>>Take Care, Rick
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
>>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
>>>>Dave Croft
>>>>Warrington
>>>>England
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>      
>>>
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>>
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>  
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From mmco at cox-internet.com  Wed Oct  5 09:44:52 2005
From: mmco at cox-internet.com (mmco at cox-internet.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:44:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Rita is gone but not forgotten
Message-ID: <20051005164452.WTKY20902.fe3@localhost>


Just a short note to let all my friends around the world know that I am still kicking in S W LOUISIANA . Don`t have much time to give a complete update , am trying to get my business reopened after almost two weeks of water , heat ,wind and pure hell .As of today , we cannot recieve US MAIL , FEDEX or UPS .We are spending a lot of time in Gas and Food lines but thanks to all of your prayers , we are surviving .
Will respond later with more info when I can .
Your friend and collector of any thing needing a home
Bo Hinch



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 10:20:43 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:20:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>
	<4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>

Curt, are you talking about side to side wobble?  Surely the diameter won't 
change.

  It's got a pretty good set in the teeth. and notice no wobble, plus I'm 
making it a habit to feel for warmth anywhere on the blade...after 
sandblasting the whole blade...so far, so good.

  I'm considering your suggestion on the use of gloves.

  I'm gonna grab the camera and get a better pix of that blade clearance.

"headed fer the shed"
Rick






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.


> Rick,
> You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having
> used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.
>
> In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had
> insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The
> combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy.
> Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8"
> you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the
> teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade
> hammered properly to eliminate wobble.
>
> In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder,
> so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of
> the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get
> into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are
> lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair
> day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and
> the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a
> miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen
> with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see
> evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.
>
> Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to
> the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the
> log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the
> blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your 
> safety.
>
> And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of
> gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my
> buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip
> but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better
> to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the
> belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one
> of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening
> exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was
> forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th
>
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? 
> ><vbg>.
> >No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and
> >girder above it), are not in two sections.
> >
> >  I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where 
> > the
> >blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
> >
> >  We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or 
> > ???
> >
> >later,
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
> >>attached to the axle.
> >>Dave Croft
> >>Warrington
> >>England
> >>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the
> >>>blade
> >>>
> >>>Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
> >>>>>exposure as
> >>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>same
> >>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
> >>>>>blade.
> >>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
> >>>>>Take Care, Rick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> >>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> >>>>Dave Croft
> >>>>Warrington
> >>>>England
> >>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Oct  5 11:15:19 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:15:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>	<4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com>
	<BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43441837.6030301@imc-group.com>

Yes Rick, side to side wobble. As I mentioned early on I saw my blade 
wobble when at speed. It was better than an inch each side of center. It 
wiggled around like a like a spinning pizza crust. Even cold it tended 
to do this. The hammering by an expert took care of the problem.
Sandblasting will likely compound the problem as now the entire blade is 
in compression.
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Curt, are you talking about side to side wobble?  Surely the diameter won't 
>change.
>
>  It's got a pretty good set in the teeth. and notice no wobble, plus I'm 
>making it a habit to feel for warmth anywhere on the blade...after 
>sandblasting the whole blade...so far, so good.
>
>  I'm considering your suggestion on the use of gloves.
>
>  I'm gonna grab the camera and get a better pix of that blade clearance.
>
>"headed fer the shed"
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
>
>
>  
>
>>Rick,
>>You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having
>>used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.
>>
>>In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had
>>insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The
>>combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy.
>>Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8"
>>you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the
>>teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade
>>hammered properly to eliminate wobble.
>>
>>In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder,
>>so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of
>>the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get
>>into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are
>>lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair
>>day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and
>>the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a
>>miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen
>>with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see
>>evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.
>>
>>Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to
>>the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the
>>log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the
>>blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your 
>>safety.
>>
>>And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of
>>gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my
>>buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip
>>but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better
>>to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the
>>belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one
>>of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening
>>exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was
>>forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th
>>
>>
>>Richard Strobel wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ? 
>>><vbg>.
>>>No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle (and
>>>girder above it), are not in two sections.
>>>
>>> I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where 
>>>the
>>>blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
>>>
>>> We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or 
>>>???
>>>
>>>later,
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
>>>>attached to the axle.
>>>>Dave Croft
>>>>Warrington
>>>>England
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of the
>>>>>blade
>>>>>
>>>>>Rick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>>>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
>>>>>>>exposure as
>>>>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>same
>>>>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
>>>>>>>blade.
>>>>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
>>>>>>>Take Care, Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
>>>>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
>>>>>>Dave Croft
>>>>>>Warrington
>>>>>>England
>>>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  5 11:42:18 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:42:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
In-Reply-To: <43441837.6030301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F54FBBE1F70B0D37D5AB3BC8820@phx.gbl>


That would make an exciting afternoon buzzing up some wood!!  :-))

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>Yes Rick, side to side wobble. It was better than an inch each side of 
>center. It wiggled around like a like a spinning pizza crust. Curt
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  5 22:11:35 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:11:35
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine (British)
Message-ID: <200510052215703.SM00296@new>

Hi List,
	Please look at this. Can anyone identify it? Is it just a rebadged
Uniporn? (Sure looks like it)

	The article states " It's called a Daimler Industrial Diesel, London, and
so far, no mention has been found of this marque (at least as far as
Stationary Engines are concerned), by the leading researchers in UK."

	Lets see if the list members can do better !! Maybe a pic or 2 ?

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn34/htn34.htm>

Thanks
Jerry
Best regards
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  5 22:01:17 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:01:17
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert
Message-ID: <200510052215843.SM00296@new>

Hi List
	I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the coast
to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.

 I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/Archives/arch2/arch2.htm

While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
"Sandstone Heritage Trust".

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index_sht.html>

If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html>

 I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
than 200.

Hope you enjoy it
Best regards
Jerry Evans in S.A.




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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Oct  5 22:21:30 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:21:30
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert/update
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051005222130.009bfe80@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List
	I just came across this interesting old advert 

<snipped>
If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:

<http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html>

 I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
than 200.

Update - I've just tried to see the pics of the stationary engines and it
seems like they have messed up the site (again) as I get a message "The
page cannot be found". I know that they have been doing a lot of work on
the site - maybe just forgot to move the pics into the correct directory.
It was working last time I looked. I will contact them tomorrow.

Best regards
Jerry Evans in S.A.




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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Oct  5 14:08:43 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:08:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine (British)
References: <200510052215703.SM00296@new>
Message-ID: <000501c5c9f0$fb554290$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Jerry,
Since you used my picture of the uniporn, I have another one
for you of an original factory sign.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/unipornsign.jpg
The owner of the engine an Englishman had an info board too,
but I didn't take a picture of it.
What I see at the picture of the Daimler, I would say it's the
same engine (factory).

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Hi List,
> Please look at this. Can anyone identify it? Is it just a rebadged
> Uniporn? (Sure looks like it)
> 
> The article states " It's called a Daimler Industrial Diesel, London, and
> so far, no mention has been found of this marque (at least as far as
> Stationary Engines are concerned), by the leading researchers in UK."
> 
> Lets see if the list members can do better !! Maybe a pic or 2 ?
> 
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn34/htn34.htm>
> 
> Thanks
> Jerry
/sel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Oct  5 15:29:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:29:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
References: <200510052215843.SM00296@new>
Message-ID: <001301c5c9fc$334ef000$8e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US 
loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or is 
there another reason ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert


> Hi List
> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the 
> coast
> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
>
> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
>
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/Archives/arch2/arch2.htm
>
> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
>
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index_sht.html>
>
> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
>
> <http://www.sandstone-estates.com/heritage/news/htn19_JEvans/ss_ht_st_in.html>
>
> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
> than 200.
>
> Hope you enjoy it
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans in S.A.
>
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Oct  5 16:07:09 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:07:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cutting corrogated iron .
Message-ID: <005601c5ca01$86f83a40$8e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Thanks to those members who suggested the reversed circular saw 
blade....works well ,still a hell of a noise. It did prompt me to buy a 
couple of new tipped saw blades ....makes a difference on wood .
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Oct  5 16:22:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:22:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine (British)
In-Reply-To: <000501c5c9f0$fb554290$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <200510052215703.SM00296@new>
	<000501c5c9f0$fb554290$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051005192127.03cd3e60@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:08 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Jerry,
>Since you used my picture of the uniporn,
>John Hammink

WOW! That's not very nice--at least w/out proper credit!
         dave 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 16:24:10 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
In-Reply-To: <001301c5c9fc$334ef000$8e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051005232410.96433.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Peter,
Burning wood, or coal, that smoke stack was where they sent the steam after the piston used it so it would speed up the draft.  That made the fire burn hotter.
Just maybe the shape of the stack is what they figured would make the most difference.
 
Come see this at the Buckley show.  Every night during the show they hook up a steam traction engine to the Prony Brake and throw in a few shovels full of sawdust.  Then they use the Prony Brake to put a load on the engine and the stack puts out a spark shower WAY up in the air.  
 
Alan

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US 
loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or is 
there another reason ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" 
To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert


> Hi List
> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the 
> coast
> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
>
> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
>
> >
> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
>
> 
>
> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
>
> 
>
> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have more
> than 200.
>
> Hope you enjoy it
> Best regards
> Jerry Evans in S.A.

		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 16:29:30 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
References: <1d4.45b480fb.3072f969@aol.com><BAY5-DAV159F1A32AB768465835C6EBB830@phx.gbl><000401c5c8e7$769d7b80$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV15098EE4CFB21FA2E2C67DBB830@phx.gbl>	<001601c5c903$79f79240$fa4c1152@no1><BAY5-DAV104DF22DDAFA36459953F9BB820@phx.gbl>	<4343EE66.3060603@imc-group.com><BAY5-DAV3775CE9F177689635602CBB820@phx.gbl>
	<43441837.6030301@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV16BDFA7A796B535590277EBB820@phx.gbl>

Sure appears to be runnin' true when up to speed.  I'll know more when I put 
some 2x's thru it and then measure the set against the kerf.

  Curt, let's say on a scale of 1-10, pertaining to ease of starting.  If 1 
was unbelted, what would you rate your's when belted up.??...I would swag 
mine at about 7.  Whew, but I got her to go and ran it for over an 
hour..belted up.  She came up to a good steam.

TIA
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.


> Yes Rick, side to side wobble. As I mentioned early on I saw my blade
> wobble when at speed. It was better than an inch each side of center. It
> wiggled around like a like a spinning pizza crust. Even cold it tended
> to do this. The hammering by an expert took care of the problem.
> Sandblasting will likely compound the problem as now the entire blade is
> in compression.
> Curt
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Curt, are you talking about side to side wobble?  Surely the diameter 
> >won't
> >change.
> >
> >  It's got a pretty good set in the teeth. and notice no wobble, plus I'm
> >making it a habit to feel for warmth anywhere on the blade...after
> >sandblasting the whole blade...so far, so good.
> >
> >  I'm considering your suggestion on the use of gloves.
> >
> >  I'm gonna grab the camera and get a better pix of that blade clearance.
> >
> >"headed fer the shed"
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:16 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Rick,
> >>You mention the 3/8" clearance and that raises a red flag for me having
> >>used my saw rigs heavily for several years now.
> >>
> >>In the beginning I was using a blade that was dull, that had
> >>insufficient set to the teeth, and that was not hammered properly. The
> >>combination resulted in a blade that got warm in use and got floppy.
> >>Damned scary floppy and it would wobble around much more that the 3/8"
> >>you have to work with. I can't stress the importance of getting the
> >>teeth sharp, setting the tooth set properly, and getting the blade
> >>hammered properly to eliminate wobble.
> >>
> >>In addition, for your safety I would add a block of oak to that girder,
> >>so that if the blade ever gets wobbly, the blade base (just inside of
> >>the tooth area) will bear up against the wood. If not, the teeth can get
> >>into the steel girder. If the teeth get into the girder and you are
> >>lucky you will just wipe out the teeth. If you are having a bad hair
> >>day, a tooth could catch hard and the arbor bearing cap might break and
> >>the whole shaft and blade will come up and at you. That would make for a
> >>miserable day. You wouldn't believe the number of saw rigs I've seen
> >>with broken bearing caps. Also if you'll look most saw tables you'll see
> >>evidence of major crashes of teeth with the table.
> >>
> >>Even with a well maintained blade it is too easy to bump the blade to
> >>the side as your are cutting. As you pull the table back and slide the
> >>log to the side, a good whack with a heavy log will easily flex the
> >>blade a long way. Please consider adding the block of wood for your
> >>safety.
> >>
> >>And while on the subject of safety, I wanted to comment on the use of
> >>gloves mentioned a few days ago. I do NOT use gloves when I operate my
> >>buzz saws! With these course toothed blades a caught glove would not rip
> >>but would yank your hand right into the blade. It would be much better
> >>to be cut that to be yanked into the blade. To see my point take the
> >>belt off your saw rig and spin the blade by hand. Dangle a glove by one
> >>of its' fingers and move it into the blade. It is an enlightening
> >>exercise. My experiment was much less civilized but none-the-less I was
> >>forever convinced that using gloves was NOT safe with buzz saws.
> >>Curt Holland
> >>Gastonia, NC
> >>Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, and 16th
> >>
> >>
> >>Richard Strobel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I see now what you're talking about, sorry, must the the weather or ?
> >>><vbg>.
> >>>No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain.  The axle 
> >>>(and
> >>>girder above it), are not in two sections.
> >>>
> >>> I'll get another shot from the quartering right so you can see where
> >>>the
> >>>blade misses the girder by at least 3/8".
> >>>
> >>> We're thinking it's some kind of reflection, depth of field fluke, or
> >>>???
> >>>
> >>>later,
> >>>Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Rick, I thought I had just drawn the girder? underneath the blade
> >>>>attached to the axle.
> >>>>Dave Croft
> >>>>Warrington
> >>>>England
> >>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:41 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Dave..there is no table to the right of the blade i.e. Outboard of 
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>blade
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Rick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> >>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:28 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >>>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> >>>>>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:01 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double
> >>>>>>>exposure as
> >>>>>>>I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>same
> >>>>>>>angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
> >>>>>>>blade.
> >>>>>>>Dunno, but it's kewl
> >>>>>>>Take Care, Rick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi Rick, am I guessing right about how it is set up?
> >>>>>>See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/468212176HbJvkY
> >>>>>>Dave Croft
> >>>>>>Warrington
> >>>>>>England
> >>>>>>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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> >>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>SEL mailing list
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 17:08:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:08:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Galloway sawblade clearance
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV88756A46E9C62A9CC6077BB850@phx.gbl>

  He're a better picture I took today

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/469431296wlmetp

Ric


From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  5 17:12:42 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
Message-ID: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about 
an item.

> * Hi , *
> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I 
> sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you. 
> Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id 
> and arrest you, you fraud
>
> Jvsfl


The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and 
includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution 
folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my 
latest sales have recieved good feedback.

Jeff Allen




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  5 17:41:52 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051005220117.0099f1e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>


Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and don't 
know what shows are left this season that might move someone this way. If 
anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and see if we 
can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever to offset 
costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some of you might 
be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the Arden  show on the 
22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine related!!!!   Thanks, 
Steve Royster

>




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Oct  5 17:44:43 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:44:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
Message-ID: <20051005.174444.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Jeff.  It is a scam, I got the same thing a couple of weeks ago. 
Forward it to spoof at ebay.com .  

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:42 -0600 Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question 
> about 
> an item.
> 
> > * Hi , *
> > This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I 
> 
> > sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from 
> you. 
> > Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user 
> id 
> > and arrest you, you fraud
> >
> > Jvsfl


From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Oct  5 17:49:24 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
In-Reply-To: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
References: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <62038.167.142.22.207.1128559764.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

SCAM - I have gotten a couple stating that I'd just bought item number
whatever and thanks me for using paypal, and shows a legit looking
invoice.

It might also be another mass-method for getting paypal and ebay user
email or account info.

Either way, forward it to spoof at ebay.com (I think that's the address)

Bill

> Hi all,
>
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about
> an item.
>
>> * Hi , *
>> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I
>> sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you.
>> Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id
>> and arrest you, you fraud
>>
>> Jvsfl
>
>
> The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and
> includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution
> folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my
> latest sales have recieved good feedback.
>
> Jeff Allen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 17:49:29 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:49:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
References: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009501c5ca0f$cf231430$64bed2cc@pengy>

Hmmm, sent the money last week and has already made three attempts to 
contact you about non recipt of the item.  This man is the most impatient 
person on the face of the earth!

Its a scam but couldn't the scammer at least have put five seconds of 
thought into the phony message.

RIck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam


> Hi all,
>
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about 
> an item.
>
>> * Hi , *
>> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I sent 
>> you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you. Is this 
>> a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id and arrest 
>> you, you fraud
>>
>> Jvsfl
>
>
> The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and 
> includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution 
> folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my 
> latest sales have recieved good feedback.
>
> Jeff Allen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct  5 17:51:16 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:51:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
Message-ID: <ce.71ede062.3075cf04@aol.com>

Jeff,
Any message you get from eBay that you think may incorrect should  be 
forwarded to " _spoof at ebay.com_ (mailto:spoof at ebay.com)  ".  They will  let you know 
whether it is legitimate or not.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Oct  5 17:56:12 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:56:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
References: <43446BFA.3070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <014301c5ca10$c0f953a0$00428347@D6R3D961>

Jeff thank him for the money , I bet the email will bounce back to you, They 
now put another address in the body of there messages. It amazes me how many 
of these I receive everyday. I would estimate 25 per day
Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam


> Hi all,
>
> Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question about 
> an item.
>
>> * Hi , *
>> This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I sent 
>> you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from you. Is this 
>> a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user id and arrest 
>> you, you fraud
>>
>> Jvsfl
>
>
> The above is the text in the message and the page looks pretty good and 
> includes a response button just like the real thing. Always use caution 
> folks. I had to think for a few minutes before it hit me that all of my 
> latest sales have recieved good feedback.
>
> Jeff Allen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  5 18:28:22 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:28:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT New scam
In-Reply-To: <20051005.174444.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051005.174444.620.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <43447DB6.1020002@earthlink.net>

This one is good boys and girls. You can't forward it to anyone, 
including E-Bay. Won't happen and you get an error message. Click the 
respond link and put in a phony user and password and you go straight to 
the legitimate E-bay login screen with a wrong password message. My 
thought is if you put in the right one, you have been harvested and 
would be sent to your E-Bay account and never know until it was too 
late. Best code I've seen so far for this. FTR, I did get the page saved 
and sent as an attachment to spoof at ebay. You will not forward this one 
to them. URL is Romania cause I traced it.

Jeff Allen

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

>Hi Jeff.  It is a scam, I got the same thing a couple of weeks ago. 
>Forward it to spoof at ebay.com .  
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:42 -0600 Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>writes:
>  
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Just in from "E-Bay" in my mailbox. This one looks like a question 
>>about 
>>an item.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>* Hi , *
>>>This is the third time I try to contact you, you stole my money, I 
>>>      
>>>
>>>sent you the money last week and I haven't receive the item from 
>>>      
>>>
>>you. 
>>    
>>
>>>Is this a fraud of not, I will contact ebay to suspend your user 
>>>      
>>>
>>id 
>>    
>>
>>>and arrest you, you fraud
>>>
>>>Jvsfl
>>>      
>>>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Oct  5 19:28:24 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:28:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220051035281546@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <155c5dc15f3ea266968c82faf233ec6a@chartertn.net>

I don't think any of the members of the SEL except for Dave and Rob 
have much experience with 2000 pound wenches.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From old_iron at msn.com  Wed Oct  5 20:31:14 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
In-Reply-To: <155c5dc15f3ea266968c82faf233ec6a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F23414439E3E13C6CC16D77E7850@phx.gbl>

We have 2 winches one is 2,500 lbs that is mounted in Bill's truck bed and 
he has a 3,000 lbs one he uses to winch his engines out of the basement.

Peg Pfeiffer
(Offical Winch Wench)


>From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
>Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:28:24 -0400
>
>I don't think any of the members of the SEL except for Dave and Rob have 
>much experience with 2000 pound wenches.
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct  5 23:02:15 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:02:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT  Linotype Parts Available
In-Reply-To: <003201c5c94e$04e5faa0$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <035801c5ca3b$81ec5ec0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> The foundry that I work at just bought all of the cast iron 
> parts from a 
> model 5 Linotype machine.  The castings are all in good shape 
> and I am 
> putting the word out that I have parts in case anyone with a 
> model 5 is 
> missing parts or has a broken part.  The parts will be 
> available for a 
> couple of weeks before they are fed into the furnace and melted down.


Hi Rick,
The boys and girls at Rollag run a print shop with a couple linotype machines.  


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

















From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Oct  6 02:57:17 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:57:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
Message-ID: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank and 
carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Oct  6 01:21:43 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:43 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
References: <20051005232410.96433.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c5ca66$1c25ee50$539181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes Alan ...that would be correct . Perhaps the inverted cones created a 
better venturi . The ejection of exhaust steam through the stack is the way 
it was done here ....we also have it on a 1904 Ruston Proctor Portable Steam 
Engine that we run here. Those opposing cones were a distinctive feature of 
North American Locos.I would like to go to Buckley but it is in the other 
hemisphere!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?


> Hi Peter,
> Burning wood, or coal, that smoke stack was where they sent the steam 
> after the piston used it so it would speed up the draft.  That made the 
> fire burn hotter.
> Just maybe the shape of the stack is what they figured would make the most 
> difference.
>
> Come see this at the Buckley show.  Every night during the show they hook 
> up a steam traction engine to the Prony Brake and throw in a few shovels 
> full of sawdust.  Then they use the Prony Brake to put a load on the 
> engine and the stack puts out a spark shower WAY up in the air.
>
> Alan
>
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US
> loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or 
> is
> there another reason ?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans"
> To: ;
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert
>
>
>> Hi List
>> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
>> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the
>> coast
>> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
>>
>> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
>>
>> >
>> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
>> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
>>
>>
>>
>> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
>>
>>
>>
>> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
>> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have 
>> more
>> than 200.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it
>> Best regards
>> Jerry Evans in S.A.
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct  6 04:53:54 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
In-Reply-To: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C
	@mchsi.com>
References: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2323.165.206.180.102.1128599634.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

That would be great as my 1.5 hp is also the next in line to get running
and is lacking fuel tank completely.

Bill
Runnells, IA
(where we go from 90 to 50 degrees in 24 hours)

> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank
> and
> carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Oct  6 05:29:28 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:29:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051005220117.0099f1e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051006082628.03d4b640@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:

>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster

Hi Steve,
         Arnie and i will be heading for Cotton Ginning at sparrows fart on 
the 13th. If anyone can get your bike anywhere near Pittsburgh/Greensburg 
prior to that we can bring it to the Ginning.
         Dave  



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct  6 05:34:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:34:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
References: <20051005232410.96433.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002a01c5ca66$1c25ee50$539181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV106F0A8F5A3B5E3AF4E2CBB850@phx.gbl>

I've heard that different stacks (on the locomotives) were used, depending 
on what type of fuel was used..wood vs. coal.  Draft plus it helped quench 
the sparks.

RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?


> Yes Alan ...that would be correct . Perhaps the inverted cones created a
> better venturi . The ejection of exhaust steam through the stack is the 
> way
> it was done here ....we also have it on a 1904 Ruston Proctor Portable 
> Steam
> Engine that we run here. Those opposing cones were a distinctive feature 
> of
> North American Locos.I would like to go to Buckley but it is in the other
> hemisphere!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Bowen" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Interesting old advert....smoke stack?
>
>
> > Hi Peter,
> > Burning wood, or coal, that smoke stack was where they sent the steam
> > after the piston used it so it would speed up the draft.  That made the
> > fire burn hotter.
> > Just maybe the shape of the stack is what they figured would make the 
> > most
> > difference.
> >
> > Come see this at the Buckley show.  Every night during the show they 
> > hook
> > up a steam traction engine to the Prony Brake and throw in a few shovels
> > full of sawdust.  Then they use the Prony Brake to put a load on the
> > engine and the stack puts out a spark shower WAY up in the air.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> > Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time 
> > US
> > loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or
> > is
> > there another reason ?
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jerry Evans"
> > To: ;
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:01 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] Interesting old advert
> >
> >
> >> Hi List
> >> I just came across this interesting old advert on our local "Sandstone
> >> Estates" site which came from "Farm Mechanization" Magazine about the
> >> coast
> >> to coast raillink in Utah in 1869.
> >>
> >> I thought you may like to share - especially those in the U.S.A.
> >>
> >> >
> >> While you are there have a look at the rest of their site especially
> >> "Sandstone Heritage Trust".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you get as far as the Stationary Engine Inventory:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I took the photos and put up the webpage for them. I will also be going
> >> there soon to photograph their vintage tractor collection - they have
> >> more
> >> than 200.
> >>
> >> Hope you enjoy it
> >> Best regards
> >> Jerry Evans in S.A.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! for Good
> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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> >
> >
>
>
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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Thu Oct  6 08:28:54 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
In-Reply-To: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051006152854.63844.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt

Come on down this weekend to the Jonamac Orchard.  Small Engine only show
in Malta, IL.  I have one in the storage shed 2 miles from the show. 
There should be a sandwich or two there as well.  We have a blast....

http://www.jonamacorchard.com/

Just being glad to be over this nasty cold that I have had the last
several days...

This pic is about the best that I can find...depending on your version of
the 1 1/2. They used different fuel pickups during the production.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004Sandwich/engines1/23.JPG

or

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/photo/engine/1_5hpweb.jpg

Steve

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
advance,
Curt Andree



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  6 10:34:37 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:34:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051006082628.03d4b640@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F319C29297CEAF21C3C530795850@phx.gbl>

Thanks, Dave and Arnie, I will add this to my request!!  Does anyone know of 
anyone who might be going from the Chicago area to the Pittsburg area before 
the 13th!  Many Thanks, Steve


>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:29:28 -0400
>
>At 08:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>
>Hi Steve,
>         Arnie and i will be heading for Cotton Ginning at sparrows fart on 
>the 13th. If anyone can get your bike anywhere near Pittsburgh/Greensburg 
>prior to that we can bring it to the Ginning.
>         Dave
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct  6 10:09:36 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:09:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
advance,
Curt Andree
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at the
Boonville, MO show.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web






From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  6 09:29:04 2005
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:29:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F154752EF2119900310AAECC4850@phx.gbl>

Steve,
I am planning to go to Coolspring on the 13, 14, & 15'th.  Then comming to 
Arden on the 20, 21, & 22'nd.  If Steve Barr is coming to Coolspring, I 
should be able to make it happen.

Pete Stauffer


>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
>
>
>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some of 
>you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the Arden  
>show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Thu Oct  6 12:43:09 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:43:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Locomotive stacks
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7057F0E20@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

"I've heard that different stacks (on the locomotives) were used,
depending 
on what type of fuel was used..wood vs. coal.  Draft plus it helped
quench 
the sparks.

RickinMt."

Right on, Rick. The wood-burners used the diamond-shaped stacks, and the
coal burners the straight stacks. If you get a close look at a diamond
stack, they are usually hinged, bolted, or  banded at the wide point.
There is a screen in there to act as a spark arrestor, and the stack can
be opened to service it.

Unfortunately, the Avery underslung that passed us while we sat in my
new pickup watching the parade two weeks ago at Prairieland, did not
have the spark arrestor.  The four of us had the doors open for breeze,
and with the breeze we got sparks that put a couple of little burns on
the seats and a purty good one on the plastic around the base of the
seat.  Should have seen it coming, so to speak.

Bruce Younger
Lenexa, Kansas USA
mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
 



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Oct  6 16:36:08 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:36:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <008001c5cace$ba930c40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Thanks John. That was my Sandwich engine at Booneville. Wish I still had it.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.


> --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
> advance,
> Curt Andree
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at the
> Boonville, MO show.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
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>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Oct  6 16:42:15 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:42:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Locomotive stacks...litigation.
References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7057F0E20@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>
Message-ID: <001301c5cacf$9947d5b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

The way things are now days Bruce you may have a case for litigation, even a 
new vehicle!But of course we of the SEL would not pursue that course.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Younger" <byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] Locomotive stacks


> "I've heard that different stacks (on the locomotives) were used,
> depending
> on what type of fuel was used..wood vs. coal.  Draft plus it helped
> quench
> the sparks.
>
> RickinMt."
>
> Right on, Rick. The wood-burners used the diamond-shaped stacks, and the
> coal burners the straight stacks. If you get a close look at a diamond
> stack, they are usually hinged, bolted, or  banded at the wide point.
> There is a screen in there to act as a spark arrestor, and the stack can
> be opened to service it.
>
> Unfortunately, the Avery underslung that passed us while we sat in my
> new pickup watching the parade two weeks ago at Prairieland, did not
> have the spark arrestor.  The four of us had the doors open for breeze,
> and with the breeze we got sparks that put a couple of little burns on
> the seats and a purty good one on the plastic around the base of the
> seat.  Should have seen it coming, so to speak.
>
> Bruce Younger
> Lenexa, Kansas USA
> mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Oct  6 16:45:41 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:45:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <002101c5cad0$13aa66b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there a 
fuel pump ah la M types?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:09 AM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.


> --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou in
> advance,
> Curt Andree
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at the
> Boonville, MO show.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct  7 01:55:28 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:55:28
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
In-Reply-To: <200510061755.j96Hti8T023725@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Answering the following:
Re:Mystery Engine (British) (John Hammink)
Re:Interesting old advert....smoke stack? (peter ogborne)
Re: Mystery Engine (British) (Dave Rotigel)
Re: WaHooo/ now buzz saw safety


Hello The List,
	I've got a few things to answer here so am just going to do it all in 1 post.

a) John Hammink  wrote :
"Hi Jerry,
>Since you used my picture of the uniporn,"

Hi John,
	I had no idea that it was your picture but you have it wrong - that was
not my website that I sent the link to - it was "Sandstone Estates". I will
never steal a picture for my site. If I needed one I would ask and give due
credit. In fact I cannot think of one photo on my site that I have not
taken myself. You have helped me a lot with info in the past and I have
always written to thank you.
	I probably caused the confusion by saying that "I put up the webpage for
them" - I was referring to their "Stationary Engine Inventory" page - not
the whole website.
	Don't worry - I think it was a misunderstanding and I am not in the least
upset - just need to clear it up. As soon as I have finished this post I
will send one to the "Big Chief" at Sandstone and point out the "error of
their ways" to him. It will be sorted out.
	On the same subject - I have been approached by Sandstone (The same "Big
Chief") and asked if I would like to take over as Webmaster for the Tractor
and Stationary Engine part of their website (which is why I was spending
time on it yesterday). I expect a call tomorrow to set up a meeting. Keep
your fingers crossed - I would love to do this. Also, if I do accept then
there will be no pilfering of pictures on the site. They are actually very
good people and I think that this was probably done without bad intention.
Probably just a case of not understanding "Internet Etiquette". I will set
the record straight for you.
	(Where did the picture come from ? - The URL will help me when I speak to
them)
Best Regards
Jerry


b) Dave Rotigel wrote:
>WOW! That's not very nice--at least w/out proper credit!
>         dave 

Hi Dave,
	Already answered above.
Best regards
Jerry
P.S. I never heard if you enjoyed the last link I posted for you ;-)


c) Peter Ogborne wrote:

>Jerry.........something I have often wondered about is why do old time US 
>loco's have that distinctive smoke stack ? Is it that they burnt wood or is 
>there another reason ?

Hi Peter, 
	I know nothing about steam but it is strange that I have also always
wondered about that. I always thought that it was just something that
looked better in the "Cowboy & Indian" movies or the cartoons. A train
"puffing" through a canyon on it's way to an ambush would just not be the
same if it had a "chimney" like our South African or your Aussie trains. (VBG)
Best wishes
Jerry

This next answer is about Rick's sawblade appearing to cut into it's chassis:
"Galloway sawblade clearance"

Rick wrote:
"No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain." 
&
Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure
as I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the
same angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
blade.
Dunno, but it's kewl
Take Care, Rick

	Rick has that blade got "cooling slots" cut into it. I'm not sure what you
people call them but these are slots cut from the "gullet" of the teeth
inwards for an inch or two (depending on the diameter of the blade) and
often ending with a circular hole. ( I know this is not the best
description but hope you understand what I mean). There could be 8 or 10 of
these - again depending on the diameter.
	If you used ambient light for the pic your shutter speed may have been
quite slow. I'm wondering if the effect was not caused by this. I'm going
to battle to explain my theory in writing so just bear with me - it may
take a while. 
	With a slow shutter speed and the spinning blade it is possible that the
camera also caught some of the image that was behind the blade, but visible
through the cooling slots as they sped past. (Wow this is difficult to
explain). This could also account for the fact that the steel beam appears
to be "grey" or "burnt" where the blade has appeared to cut into it -
because it has received less exposure than the rest - it only exposed each
time a cooling slot let light past. If you look at the circumference of the
blade you will see a blurred image as the teeth are creating the same
effect but because there are more of them (or gaps between them) they are
not as under exposed. Does this make any sense to any of you - I know what
I mean but not how to explain it :-). ( To answer another question from the
list - No I was never a teacher - not in this life or any other :-)) but in
my next life I intend being a cat in a home like mine. ( You gotta love
cats to understand that one),
	The lack of shadows as well as the good illumination of the underside of
the engine and transporter in the pic points to a flash being used so this
would make my theory even more difficult to explain as an electronic flash
should freeze most motion (unless your Galloway runs really fast ;-)) . You
also mention a lot of reflections in that area which may (or may not)
account for the fact that this only is visible in that area.
	To try to explain my theory better I have put a pic of the engine on my
site (sorry Rick - I never asked permission but only this letter will link
to it) - check it out.

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rickseng.jpg> 

	Whatever the answer I do agree with you - it is a KEWL pic - gets the old
brain cells working overtime.
Keep well
Jerry in S.A.

P.S. For those of you who love cats - you gotta see this pic.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/cats.jpg>








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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Oct  6 18:43:18 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:43:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <200510061755.j96Hti8T023725@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051006183755.0277fec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Jerry,

If the camera has a focal plane shutter it can cause some interesting 
effects when taking pictures of moving things.

Regards,
Larry



>This next answer is about Rick's sawblade appearing to cut into it's chassis:
>"Galloway sawblade clearance"
>
>Rick wrote:
>"No Dave that was just a photo fluke that I can't explain."
>&
>Tom, I doubt if I'll ever know what happened there..not a double exposure
>as I checked my camera and it's on auto.  I got down and looked up at the
>same angle yesterday and there is quite a reflection in that part of the
>blade.
>Dunno, but it's kewl
>Take Care, Rick
>
>         Rick has that blade got "cooling slots" cut into it. I'm not sure 
> what you
>people call them but these are slots cut from the "gullet" of the teeth
>inwards for an inch or two (depending on the diameter of the blade) and
>often ending with a circular hole. ( I know this is not the best
>description but hope you understand what I mean). There could be 8 or 10 of
>these - again depending on the diameter.
>         If you used ambient light for the pic your shutter speed may have 
> been
>quite slow. I'm wondering if the effect was not caused by this. I'm going
>to battle to explain my theory in writing so just bear with me - it may
>take a while.
>         With a slow shutter speed and the spinning blade it is possible 
> that the
>camera also caught some of the image that was behind the blade, but visible
>through the cooling slots as they sped past. (Wow this is difficult to
>explain). This could also account for the fact that the steel beam appears
>to be "grey" or "burnt" where the blade has appeared to cut into it -
>because it has received less exposure than the rest - it only exposed each
>time a cooling slot let light past. If you look at the circumference of the
>blade you will see a blurred image as the teeth are creating the same
>effect but because there are more of them (or gaps between them) they are
>not as under exposed. Does this make any sense to any of you - I know what
>I mean but not how to explain it :-). ( To answer another question from the
>list - No I was never a teacher - not in this life or any other :-)) but in
>my next life I intend being a cat in a home like mine. ( You gotta love
>cats to understand that one),
>         The lack of shadows as well as the good illumination of the 
> underside of
>the engine and transporter in the pic points to a flash being used so this
>would make my theory even more difficult to explain as an electronic flash
>should freeze most motion (unless your Galloway runs really fast ;-)) . You
>also mention a lot of reflections in that area which may (or may not)
>account for the fact that this only is visible in that area.
>         To try to explain my theory better I have put a pic of the engine 
> on my
>site (sorry Rick - I never asked permission but only this letter will link
>to it) - check it out.
>
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rickseng.jpg>
>
>         Whatever the answer I do agree with you - it is a KEWL pic - gets 
> the old
>brain cells working overtime.
>Keep well
>Jerry in S.A.
>
>P.S. For those of you who love cats - you gotta see this pic.
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/cats.jpg>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Best regards
>Jerry Evans.
>Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct  6 19:14:12 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:14:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop
Message-ID: <d7.2ee47782.307733f4@aol.com>

Hi List,
Anyone have experience with this unit?  If so, please let us  know what you 
think of it?
 
_Click here: The MULTIMACHINE Works! --  build your own machine shop_ 
(http://multimachine.net/)  
< _http://multimachine.net/_ (http://multimachine.net/)  >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Thu Oct  6 19:29:11 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:29:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
References: <100620050957.21214.4344F4FD0008F634000052DE21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001301c5cae6$e737a680$66c77040@user>

Curt, Bill, sent you some pics. If you don't get them let me know and I will
do something different. Not reel intelegent here...
Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed


Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank
and
carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Oct  7 00:37:51 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:37:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<002101c5cad0$13aa66b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <001b01c5cb12$06cbda40$e484dccb@oemcomputer>

Is your engine a Cub or the earlier type as the Cub tank is different to the
normal 1.5 hp engine.I found this out the hard way.I got a new tank out of
the US and it was sold as being for a 1.5 hp Sandwich but it was for a Cub
and was all together different to the tank in my engine.The one in the pic
from John is the same as my engine.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:45
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.


> John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there
a
> fuel pump ah la M types?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:09 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
>
>
> > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> > tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou
in
> > advance,
> > Curt Andree
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at
the
> > Boonville, MO show.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 01:36:26 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:36:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<002101c5cad0$13aa66b0$da9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000c01c5cb1a$38bf0c40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>


> John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there a 
> fuel pump ah la M types?

Sorry Peter, I can't tell you that I'm not familiar with these Sandwich
engines. I'm sure other list members could answer your Q.

John H.



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Oct  7 02:18:57 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:18:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] For Digital Camera users..........OT
Message-ID: <000d01c5cb20$29db5840$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Has any one tried the San Disc Photo library.........great little gadget for 
storing and showing  pictures?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 02:22:36 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:22:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
References: <3.0.6.32.20051007015528.009cd968@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002f01c5cb20$adc75140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>




> a) John Hammink  wrote :
> "Hi Jerry,
> >Since you used my picture of the uniporn,"

> Best regards
> Jerry Evans.

Hi Jerry, 
It doesn't matter at all, everybody can use my pics if they
want as long they don't commercial things with it.
The pic came from the Nuenen 2005 show this year.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm

Don't worry anymore man, it's allright with me.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web

PS  Good explanation of the saw rig picture, looks like the
      first experimental television recordings.





From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 02:00:33 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:00:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
References: <001101c5ca98$be9a7340$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<008001c5cace$ba930c40$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <001701c5cb1d$97184f10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Charlie, didn't know it was yours anymore, but do remember
this one of your Woodpecker at the same show.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Woodpecker.jpg

It was great at that time Portland, Mt.Pleasant and Boonville show
in one row. Say hello to Clarence.

Regards,
John H.



> Thanks John. That was my Sandwich engine at Booneville. Wish I still had it.
> 
> Charlie Bryant
> Jay, Maine




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:49:57 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:49:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <100720050949.16558.434644C5000CB563000040AE21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Edd,
Mine is standard 1 1/2 not cub.  Kerry's pic may just help me.
thanks,
Curt


> Is your engine a Cub or the earlier type as the Cub tank is different to the
> normal 1.5 hp engine.I found this out the hard way.I got a new tank out of
> the US and it was sold as being for a 1.5 hp Sandwich but it was for a Cub
> and was all together different to the tank in my engine.The one in the pic
> from John is the same as my engine.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:45
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
> 
> 
> > John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there
> a
> > fuel pump ah la M types?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> > To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:09 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
> >
> >
> > > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas
> > > tank and carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.  thankyou
> in
> > > advance,
> > > Curt Andree
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >
> > > Curt, don't know if it's of any help, but took this shot years ago at
> the
> > > Boonville, MO show.
> > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Sandwich.jpg
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Hammink
> > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:52:42 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:52:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
Message-ID: <100720050952.17430.4346456A0009C5660000441621979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Paul,
Thanks to both you and Bill for pics.  Looks pretty much like what I needed 
except my engine has the webster mag with ignitor.  Should give better idea on 
plumbing fuel lines now.
Curt


> Curt, Bill, sent you some pics. If you don't get them let me know and I will
> do something different. Not reel intelegent here...
> Paul Russell
> Riga, Michigan
> hit_n_miss at tc3net.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:57 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Sandwich Eng pics needed
> 
> 
> Does anyone have some good closeup pics of a Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng gas tank
> and
> carb.  Trying to reassemble mine and need some help.
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:55:56 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:55:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <100720050955.18683.4346462C0009CD02000048FB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>




> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> 
> 
> > John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there a 
> > fuel pump ah la M types?
> 
> Sorry Peter, I can't tell you that I'm not familiar with these Sandwich
> engines. I'm sure other list members could answer your Q.
> 
> John H.
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 02:58:19 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:58:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Sandwich eng pics needed.
Message-ID: <100720050958.18911.434646BB00050CD8000049DF21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks John for the pic.
Curt


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Oct  7 03:01:27 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:01:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Various answers -see message body!
Message-ID: <100720051001.19968.434647770001791D00004E0021979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi John,
Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your webpage shots 
from the Neunan show?
Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
thankyou,
Curt


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 04:13:58 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:13:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] For Digital Camera users..........OT
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5cb20$29db5840$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000d01c5cb20$29db5840$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510070413i3d4c140chd45214ce5eb4692@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/7/05, peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
> Has any one tried the San Disc Photo library.........great little gadget for
> storing and showing  pictures?
> Peter Ogborne

http://www.engadget.com/entry/8166386740663617/

Looks like a gadget chasing an application, but could be useful if you
are a multi-card user rather than staying with one make/type like
Memory Stick.

Quote:
"So SanDisk's Digital Photo Viewer, a multi-format memory card reader
which did one thing, and did it well (i.e. let you view your digital
photos on a TV) has been reincarnated as the SanDisk Photo Album. Only
this time they weren't able to resist the siren call of convergence
and have souped it up with the ability to playback both MPEG-1 and
Motion JPEG video clips and MP3 audio files besides all that digital
photo viewing stuff. Not bad for fifty bucks, but better still they
also mention that there's a port for USB flash drives, which makes us
think that you could hook this thing up to an external USB hard drive
and instantly have a cheap digital audio jukebox that connects to your
home stereo."
End quote

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct  7 05:02:39 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:02:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
References: <100720051001.19968.434647770001791D00004E0021979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000701c5cb37$079e93c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Curt,
I know the owners, but don't have his email at the moment.
The engine owns to Bart & Johnny Nuttin collectors from
Belgium. Will look around the club guys to find his email for you.
Here a picture of the boys with another beautiful engine.
http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/slides/japy%20440%20(25).html

John H.



> Hi John,
> Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your webpage shots 
> from the Neunan show?
> Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
> thankyou,
> Curt




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Oct  7 19:40:13 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051005220117.0099f1e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<BAY108-F11436365CB9D782C52FEFC95850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007213901.06731e00@mail.herculesengines.com>

I'll be coming through the Chicago area the weekend of October 28 and 
depending on the size could probably pick it up and get it to 
Evansville if that would help any.
Keith



At 07:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:

>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 
>100 miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up 
>and facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in 
>this area planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there 
>that could haul it and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't 
>have the show guide and don't know what shows are left this season 
>that might move someone this way. If anyone is headed south from the 
>Chicago area please contact me and see if we can arrainge this move. 
>I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever to offset costs. Thanks in 
>advance for considering this. I'm hoping some of you might be coming 
>down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the Arden  show on the 
>22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  7 18:00:11 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:00:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
Message-ID: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got the pictures up from last weekend. Pictures can't do justice to 
the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. Enjoy all or part of it 
at your leisure.

http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/Cider05.html

Jeff Allen



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Oct  7 09:28:07 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] For Your Weekend Viewing Pleasure
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510071226030.98561@vegeta.city-net.com>

Folks,

The Second DARPA Grand Challenge is set to go on Saturday.  Two local
vehicles; Sandstorm and Highlander out of Carnegie Mellon University, are
ready to lead the pack!  Look for one of those two to be the WINNER!!

http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.html

http://www.redteamracing.org/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Oct  7 08:09:32 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL]  Sandwich eng pics needed.
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5cb1a$38bf0c40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <20051007150932.84212.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com>


>From the information that I have and Sandwich engines that I have seen,
All Sandwich Hit and Miss engines use a check ball (vertical or
horizontal) depending on where the fuel comes out of the tank.  They did
make Throttle Governed engines which did use fuel pumps.  They had a dual
fuel carb out front.

If anyone knows of a Sandwich throttler for sale, let me know as I am
looking for one.  Perfer a 4hp, but would take up to a 10hp :)

Steve
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>

John.....looking at the fuel tank . It takes it from the base so is there
a fuel pump ah la M types?




++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Barr                N9NDE            Downers Grove, IL
          http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr
                      stevebarr at ameritech.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct  7 14:44:53 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:44:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
Message-ID: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>

I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them frequently.  
Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of problems:

  vendor                 type         category
Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner

I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on when I run 
Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything 
different.

Thanks,


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  7 06:49:20 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:49:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F154752EF2119900310AAECC4850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1755C61B6E2905FDA37EB295840@phx.gbl>

Hi Pete, He's not going to coolspring, although there is apossibility his 
dad might. I'll let you know, Many thanks, Steve. look forward to seeing 
you!


>From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:29:04 -0400
>
>Steve,
>I am planning to go to Coolspring on the 13, 14, & 15'th.  Then comming to 
>Arden on the 20, 21, & 22'nd.  If Steve Barr is coming to Coolspring, I 
>should be able to make it happen.
>
>Pete Stauffer
>
>
>>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
>>
>>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us  Fri Oct  7 15:21:15 2005
From: pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us (Pete Alleman)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: For Your Weekend Viewing Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510071226030.98561@vegeta.city-net.com>;
	from fero_ah@city-net.com on Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:28:07PM -0400
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510071226030.98561@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051007172115.A11745@ralph.lafayette.la.us>

On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:28:07PM -0400, Arnie Fero wrote:
> The Second DARPA Grand Challenge is set to go on Saturday.  Two local
> vehicles; Sandstorm and Highlander out of Carnegie Mellon University, are
> ready to lead the pack!  Look for one of those two to be the WINNER!!
> 
> http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.html
> 
> http://www.redteamracing.org/

Some of my guys are on team CajunBot. Don't be too sure of yourself here!

http://www.cajunbot.org

-- 
Pete Alleman - Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
	pja at ralph.lafayette.la.us
	HTTP://ralph.lafayette.la.us


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct  7 20:48:52 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:48:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
In-Reply-To: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051008034857.4C8A923A564@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

A. It's possible some application, such as HP scanner or data drivers
installed this, and the Windows "Recovery mode" is putting it back if it
gets deleted. Or there is some "shareware" or "freeware" that installed it.
B. It's possible that it's one of those multi-threaded threats that actually
runs a hidden process to rebuild its own files if they get deleted or
disabled. Unless you are REALLY good with Windows, they are tough to
kill/remove.
C. There is something you are doing, some web site you are visiting that
keeps putting it back.

To know for sure, I'd need to see the registry entry that loads or runs it,
the exact name and location of the file, and even possibly to look "inside"
the file for more information about it, what it does and where it came from.

I run Symantec Antivirus Corporate edition 9.2 and it finds such threats as
they appear, making it very easy for me.
There are some utilities you can run that find running processes and parse
the registry to find their load points, then they will print a report. A lot
can be learned from that.
I do really like the latest Spybot Search and Destroy, too. I think they are
at version 1.4 or something like that now.

In your case, the file may be gathering info such as what URLs you visit,
information about your computing habits, what's on your computer, name,
email address, IP address, etc and sending it out somewhere.
Generally these are used to gather information for advertising purposes.
There's BIG bucks in this stuff.

I deal with this stuff daily at work................

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:45 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT

I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them frequently.  
Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of problems:

  vendor                 type         category
Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner

I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on when I
run Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything
different.

Thanks,


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From gwaugh at wowway.com  Fri Oct  7 20:52:55 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:52:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
In-Reply-To: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>
References: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43474297.6090304@wowway.com>

Thanks for the pics, Jeff; I really like your presentation method.

Gene
Elgin, Illinois USA

Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just got the pictures up from last weekend. Pictures can't do justice 
> to the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. Enjoy all or part 
> of it at your leisure.
>
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/Cider05.html
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>



From galoway4 at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  8 15:24:59 2005
From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:24:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Check out The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine
	shop
References: <d7.2ee47782.307733f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c5cc57$207b26d0$acac9b18@jake>

HELLO FRANCIS:
      Talked to a man on the phone about the multimachine.I will go by his 
place one day next week and look at this item for you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Check out The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine 
shop


> Hi List,
> Anyone have experience with this unit?  If so, please let us  know what 
> you
> think of it?
>
> _Click here: The MULTIMACHINE Works! --  build your own machine shop_
> (http://multimachine.net/)
> < _http://multimachine.net/_ (http://multimachine.net/)  >
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  8 05:19:01 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:19:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
In-Reply-To: <000701c5cb37$079e93c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <000001c5cc02$7d3ba930$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Hey John, nice engine in the foreground of the picture.  I also noticed
one sitting up high in the background.  It looks like a Caille that I
have.  Was curious if you know what make it is.  Could be maybe a
Detroit or a Sandow as well.  

Thanks!

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John
Hammink
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Various answers/ and more

Hi Curt,
I know the owners, but don't have his email at the moment.
The engine owns to Bart & Johnny Nuttin collectors from
Belgium. Will look around the club guys to find his email for you.
Here a picture of the boys with another beautiful engine.
http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/slides/japy%20440%20(25).html

John H.



> Hi John,
> Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your
webpage shots 
> from the Neunan show?
> Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
> thankyou,
> Curt


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  8 06:52:27 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:52:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
Message-ID: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about 
everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe Prindle 
handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show and 
proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.

Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree

Sorry about no titles on pics as I missplaced my pic list.
enjoy,
Curt Andree


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 20:41:55 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:41:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
References: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5cc83$6709ba40$111f7546@mycomputer>

Delete your coockies before you run adaware....i think those repeats will 
stop.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT


>I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them frequently.
> Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of 
> problems:
>
>  vendor                 type         category
> Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner
>
> I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on when I 
> run
> Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything
> different.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From asouth at strato.net  Sat Oct  8 16:42:37 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:42:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
References: <43471A1B.1040000@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006001c5cc61$f71a7f10$7921d7cc@ARTHUR>

Good pictures Allen,
Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Gayle Borchers" <gborchers at qwest.net>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill


> Hi all,
>
> Just got the pictures up from last weekend. Pictures can't do justice to 
> the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. Enjoy all or part of it at 
> your leisure.
>
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/Cider05.html
>
> Jeff Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 10/7/2005
>
> 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  8 02:16:13 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 09:16:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
Message-ID: <100820050916.14250.43478E5D000A179C000037AA21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi John,
Sorry but couln't open to pics, looks like something I can't read (not sure of 
language).
Curt


> Hi Curt,
> I know the owners, but don't have his email at the moment.
> The engine owns to Bart & Johnny Nuttin collectors from
> Belgium. Will look around the club guys to find his email for you.
> Here a picture of the boys with another beautiful engine.
> http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/slides/japy%20440%20(25).html
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi John,
> > Do you know who ownes the Pilter-Stover engine pictured on your webpage shots 
> > from the Neunan show?
> > Would like to get its serial number,etc. for my Stover research.
> > thankyou,
> > Curt
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 07:21:30 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:21:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 4 original engine/tractor ads to look at
Message-ID: <000701c5cc13$93e795c0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

I found a copy of The Rural New Yorker (newspaper) at a barn sale, and I've
put several of the ads up on the web.

What I've scanned in so far:

-Witte engines
"Now-only $14.24 down", "90 days FREE trial", with photo of the "all-fuel"
engine (looks throttle gov to me) and also photo of ED. H. Witte, pres.
Lists 7 "superior points" that make this "the best all-purpose engine built
today"
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Witte1.jpg

-Edwards Farm Engine
"Try this engine FREE", "No other engine like it", engraving of engine, and
also drawing of A. Y. Edwards.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg

-Case steel-wheeled tractor
"Collect Nature's Reward for Timely Work"
 An awesome engraving showing a farmer working a field, pulling a small
grain cutter(?), with house, barn, stormy sky and lightning.  This must have
been an expensive ad, with that engraving work.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Case1.jpg

Rumely OilPull steel-wheeled tractor
"Is your tractor big enough for its job?"  With engraving of a tractor and
also a "Triple Heat Control" book, and a list of the "five big advantages"
to owning a Rumely.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-AdvanceRumel
y1.jpg


-Rick I.
All these links are also available from my main page:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Oct  8 06:57:02 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:57:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
Message-ID: <219.ae9deb0.30792a2e@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/7/2005 11:38:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
transteck at earthlink.net writes:

<< Pictures can't do justice to 
 the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. >>


Jeff,

What a great bunch of equipment sawmill, edge planer, tongue and groove 
machine, shingle mill.  All you need is a thickness planer.  There is a combination 
thickness/edge planer in my area I should go see about.  It must weigh 1000 
lbs or better.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From avanti_64 at juno.com  Sun Oct  9 13:16:12 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:16:12 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
Message-ID: <20051009.131641.7275.71648@webmail16.lax.untd.com>

Nice job Jeff, looks like a geat show. Joe Kelley in (rainy) Maine


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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  9 15:40:26 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:40:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
References: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c5cd22$ac80c6f0$230110ac@PAUL>

Great pictures Curt and thanks for taking the time to process them and post 
them. It was good to see so many of the gang again even if it was just in 
pictures,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005


> Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about
> everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe 
> Prindle
> handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show 
> and
> proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.
>
> Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree
>
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  9 16:34:59 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:34:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Show pictures with sawmill
In-Reply-To: <219.ae9deb0.30792a2e@aol.com>
References: <219.ae9deb0.30792a2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4349A923.5040705@earthlink.net>

Hi Tom,

Glad to know the term for the edge planer. Makes sense. The hit and miss 
Witte is running the thickness planer. I could have gone behind the 
ropes for better pictures, but I decided not to. They had enough people 
in there without a photog in the way of things.

Jeff
http://frapa.us/Photos/Cider05/SawmillShow/index.htm

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 10/7/2005 11:38:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>transteck at earthlink.net writes:
>
><< Pictures can't do justice to 
> the sawmill operation, but better than nothing. >>
>
>
>Jeff,
>
>What a great bunch of equipment sawmill, edge planer, tongue and groove 
>machine, shingle mill.  All you need is a thickness planer.  There is a combination 
>thickness/edge planer in my area I should go see about.  It must weigh 1000 
>lbs or better.
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From doug11k at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  9 16:53:02 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:53:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
Message-ID: <BAY103-F216C783944E86D29548FC0BD860@phx.gbl>

A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have tried 
Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for article 
reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help appreciated.

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct  9 18:03:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:03:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9
	D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051009210211.04042498@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Curt, Thanks for the memories. See you at Baraboo next 
year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave
>Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about
>everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe 
>Prindle
>handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show and
>proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.
>
>Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree
>
>Sorry about no titles on pics as I missplaced my pic list.
>enjoy,
>Curt Andree



From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Oct  9 21:18:47 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:18:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
References: <190.49dd41eb.30784655@aol.com>
	<000c01c5cc83$6709ba40$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <007701c5cd51$b6198ce0$841117d1@net.telenet.net>

Yep delete the cookies and temp files before running a spyware sweep.

Also if you have some of the lower priced bulk type software some of
those use things like that and when you delete them the software won't
work. Had that happen with a mahjongg program a long time ago.

Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] spyware OT


> Delete your coockies before you run adaware....i think those repeats
will
> stop.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:44 PM
> Subject: [SEL] spyware OT
>
>
> >I have Adaware 6 and Spybot Search and Destroy and run them
frequently.
> > Every time I run Adaware it always comes up  with the same list of
> > problems:
> >
> >  vendor                 type         category
> > Tracking Co.         file             Data Miner
> >
> > I usually get a list of the same thing maybe 15 or so depending on
when I
> > run
> > Adaware.  Anyone know what this means and should I be doing anything
> > different.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va. USA
> > Germoamer at aol.com
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sun Oct  9 22:36:21 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
References: 183359918
Message-ID: <018801c5cd5c$8c3adb80$0301a8c0@Cam>

Nice pictures Curt, thanks for sharing. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005


> Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  Should be pics of just about
> everyone that was there from our great SEL group.  Note the pic of Joe 
> Prindle
> handing me our official dedicated reserved site.  Sure was a great show 
> and
> proud day that the board elected to give us our own reserved spot.
>
> Go to my Webshots page: http://community.webshots.com/user/curtandree
>
> Sorry about no titles on pics as I missplaced my pic list.
> enjoy,
> Curt Andree
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct  9 23:31:08 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:31:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <100820051352.22761.4347CF1B000D1EDD000058E921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <014a01c5cd64$34ac54e0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  



Hi Curt,
Thanks for sharing those pictures.  They're nice.

Couple questions.  What are these two engines?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947666/470947666FTcacs

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947622/470947622ZhHFov

Rob





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 10 02:34:24 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:34:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
Message-ID: <101020050934.6158.434A35A0000408140000180E21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Rob,
The sideshaft is not a vary common engine and knew someone would ask but as I 
mentioned lost my pic list right after show and am suffering from OMS....
Second engine request is a Starite, believe to be an early 5hp.  The owner 
just got it back together after fishing out of a river.
regards,
Curt


> 
> > Check out pics taken at Baraboo show 2005.  
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Curt,
> Thanks for sharing those pictures.  They're nice.
> 
> Couple questions.  What are these two engines?
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947666/470947666FTcacs
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947622/470947622ZhHFov
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 04:00:13 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:13 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Check out Public Surplus: Metal Shop
Message-ID: <88.30ed34d8.307ba3bd@aol.com>

Hi List,
Here are some interesting surplus machine tools on auctions  from California 
colleges.
 
_Click  here: Public Surplus: Metal Shop_ 
(http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=604)  < 
_http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=604_ 
(http://www.publicsurplus.com/IANAuction/ca?ianac=cat&catid=604)   >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 04:34:54 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:34:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
Message-ID: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>

My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
have an idea??

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 05:00:36 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
Message-ID: <410-220051011012036406@earthlink.net>

Looks like a windhurst(sp) machine or at least similar to one that I
remember seeing many years ago when I was in junior high.

Tim Christoff


> From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>

> Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
>
> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
buy 
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Oct 10 05:12:43 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:12:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434A5ABB.5000203@comcast.net>

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After 
> the purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village 
> trying to buy it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used 
> for. Does anybody have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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It looks like a "Van Der Graff" Generator,or (I forget) there's another 
type of generator (Different name)....very old, very rare find!

You crank it up to produce sparks.

It sure does look cool!

From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Mon Oct 10 05:30:09 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:30:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434A5ED1.B22A27D2@insulate.co.uk>

Jim reckons it's something to do with static electricity.  Or a very early CD
burner.

Dolly

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 10 05:38:53 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:38:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051010123853.20692.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Luke

It looks like a modern Wimshurst Machine.  Turn the handle and static electricity is generated at
many thousands of volts.

They were originally made in the 19th century to demonstrate the effects of static electricity.
The ones I have seen before (at school) had 2 electrode handles/bars whereas this one appears to
have only one.

The physics teacher used to get the whole class in a line joining hands, the first and last boys
held onto one electrode each and he turned the handle.  Afer a few seconds the first boy was told
to release his grip on the electrode and there would be a loud 'crack' as the static jumped the
gap from electrode to the poor lad's hand as he let go and leapt about 4ft in the air with the
shock (surprise)!

This one seems to have some sort of keying device by the plastic bag.  Maybe that is so the spark
is generated between those contacts and not the human ones.  A modern anti-injury claim device?

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. 

> Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody have an idea??


		
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 05:43:03 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:43:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004901c5cd98$28a12660$57f5f504@x8h7l9>

Luke,

That is a Vandergraf Generator. It generates very high voltages to make
corona displays.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 05:43:44 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:43:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <009f01c5cd93$0f7e4ff0$daf60641@TOSHIBAGERALD>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2385BB9CB86C53FD982BDBC8790@phx.gbl>

Thanks for all the replys folks. It is identified by several of you as a 
wimshurst machine.  The SEL comes through again! Lots of material on the 
internet about them. Looks like a fun science project.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================

>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>
>
> > My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After 
>the
> > purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
>buy
> > it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> > have an idea??
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 10 06:16:07 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:16:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510100914380.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

It's a Wimshurst Generator with a couple of Lyden jars as collectors.
They're pretty neat gadgets!!  Lots of arcs & sparks!
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/demoweb/demomanual/electricity_and_magnetism/electrostatics/wimshurst_generator.html

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 06:59:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:59:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV10CD7017CB16518BBA2FE8BB790@phx.gbl>

   Howdy all;
Well Spudhead and I got back from the Miles City, Mt. auction late Saturday 
night.  Whew, what a bunch of tired engines at that place!  But we did 
manage to bring a small truck load back with us.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471837451WygCJu

and here's my pride and joy of that load..my first vertical (other than the 
Le Roi and Rollr :-))) and my first aircooled.

  It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO

and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have an 
oil pump?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO

  This is going to be a blast.

hope ya enjoy.

RickinMt.

P:S: Nice 7hp Gal Masterpiece with sub-base went for 1400.)) 


From marvhed at ecenet.com  Mon Oct 10 08:13:35 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:13:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV10CD7017CB16518BBA2FE8BB790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV10CD7017CB16518BBA2FE8BB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51244.199.62.0.252.1128957215.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

rick,
could i bother you for the pics please?

thanks, marv in minn


>    Howdy all;
> Well Spudhead and I got back from the Miles City, Mt. auction late
> Saturday
> night.  Whew, what a bunch of tired engines at that place!  But we did
> manage to bring a small truck load back with us.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471837451WygCJu
>
> and here's my pride and joy of that load..my first vertical (other than
> the
> Le Roi and Rollr :-))) and my first aircooled.
>
>   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO
>
> and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have an
> oil pump?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471845202/471845202JIPcSO
>
>   This is going to be a blast.
>
> hope ya enjoy.
>
> RickinMt.
>
> P:S: Nice 7hp Gal Masterpiece with sub-base went for 1400.))
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct 10 08:14:04 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:14:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
Message-ID: <20051010.111404.852.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

Nice find - 

YEP - - - Time for an addition to the shed.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Mon Oct 10 08:36:04 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <101020050934.6158.434A35A0000408140000180E21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>

Rob - Curt

They think that the sideshaft is an Alamo, but at the auction several
years ago, it was sold as an unknown.  They may have further identified it
since then.  There are some wild features on it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/55.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/56.jpg


The second engine is a LaCrosse. (built prior to StaRite). Currenly owned
by Randy Ackley.  He had purchsed it at the Baraboo Swapmeet from another
collector in running condition.  I don't konw where my pics are of it from
that day.

Steve

--- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Hi Rob,
The sideshaft is not a vary common engine and knew someone would ask but
as I  mentioned lost my pic list right after show and am suffering from
OMS....
Second engine request is a Starite, believe to be an early 5hp.  The owner
just got it back together after fishing out of a river.
regards,
Curt

Hi Curt,
Thanks for sharing those pictures.  They're nice.
 
Couple questions.  What are these two engines?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947666/470947666FTcacs

http://community.webshots.com/photo/470947622/470947622ZhHFov

Rob



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Oct 10 09:48:18 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:48:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch
References: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBIENMEGAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c5cdba$6b6ace20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Carlsen" <kd7bfn at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] 12 volt 2000 lbs winch


> 
> From: Rob Skinner
> 
> >I've purchased all kinds of stuff from them and
> >never been completely satisfied.  The price is good,
> > quality is usually lacking.
> 
> That's been my experience too Rob.  We have a store just 7 or 8 miles
> away ... very tempting sometimes, but I generally look around and leave
> without making a purchase.   If I do purchase, it is something
> "expendable" that I can throw away and not feel too badly about making
> "another mistake."   I would never buy anything from HF that could cause
> damage to other property (like an engine) when it decides to snap in
> half!  (note, I said "when" NOT "if")
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 09:18:38 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:18:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>

Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who 
knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine

2 cycle

No valves, just ports..altho there seems to be some sort of rubber flapper 
gizmo, looking down the intake

Hot bulb

Single lunger

start with two horses and a "bar over"..damn and I just shot both my horses

BIG governor appears to adjust speed by increasing/decreasing length of 
injector pump stroke..I dunno

The hot bulb lamp is there

Water cooled

Average sized Madison-Kipp oiler

What did it burn? diesel, kero, and is this an "Oil Engine?"

Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"

Rick 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Oct 10 09:54:40 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:54:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e11fb25197885ff935378bd5dc7e1645@chartertn.net>

Looks like an electrostatic machine. Stores charge in two Leyden jars, 
looks like.

John

On Oct 10, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After 
> the purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village 
> trying to buy it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used 
> for. Does anybody have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 10 10:25:40 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 4 original engine/tractor ads to look at
In-Reply-To: <000701c5cc13$93e795c0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051010172540.90203.qmail@web40626.mail.yahoo.com>

Rick,

What is the chance I could get a copy of the Edwards
add?

Jim

--- "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> I found a copy of The Rural New Yorker (newspaper)
> at a barn sale, and I've
> put several of the ads up on the web.
> 
> What I've scanned in so far:
> 
> -Witte engines
> "Now-only $14.24 down", "90 days FREE trial", with
> photo of the "all-fuel"
> engine (looks throttle gov to me) and also photo of
> ED. H. Witte, pres.
> Lists 7 "superior points" that make this "the best
> all-purpose engine built
> today"
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Witte1.jpg
> 
> -Edwards Farm Engine
> "Try this engine FREE", "No other engine like it",
> engraving of engine, and
> also drawing of A. Y. Edwards.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Edwards1.jpg
> 
> -Case steel-wheeled tractor
> "Collect Nature's Reward for Timely Work"
>  An awesome engraving showing a farmer working a
> field, pulling a small
> grain cutter(?), with house, barn, stormy sky and
> lightning.  This must have
> been an expensive ad, with that engraving work.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-Case1.jpg
> 
> Rumely OilPull steel-wheeled tractor
> "Is your tractor big enough for its job?"  With
> engraving of a tractor and
> also a "Triple Heat Control" book, and a list of the
> "five big advantages"
> to owning a Rumely.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/images/OrigEngineAds/Ad-AdvanceRumel
> y1.jpg
> 
> 
> -Rick I.
> All these links are also available from my main
> page:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/
> 
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>
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> 


Jim and Janna Yost
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Oct 10 10:32:19 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:32:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200510101732.j9AHWT6F092617@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Luke, your uncle's friend "done good."  :-)  

As others have correctly answered, it is a Wimshurst device.  Van de Graff
generators operate on a similar principle, but the two are not the same.

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:35 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?

My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
have an idea??

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 10 10:25:38 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rick,

Have a peek at these...
http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/muncie.oil.engine/
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/
http://www.old-engine.com/ely.htm

And just remember as Dave sez, "They're still making wives, they ain't
making the olde iron."  Go for it; you need that engine!

BTW the one that's always at Portland is a sweet runner!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine

<snip>

> Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Oct 10 11:23:17 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:23:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <434AB195.3030900@scrtc.com>

Steve,

    That engine used to be owned (many years ago) by a guy in IN, about 
10 miles or so outside of Portland.  Brady Stiles acquired it from him 
and was sold in his auction.  I belive it may be a Parmaco or related to 
the Parmaco company in some way.  The first time I saw it was probably 
30 years ago.  I don't think anyone ever knew for sure what it was.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Rob - Curt
>
>They think that the sideshaft is an Alamo, but at the auction several
>years ago, it was sold as an unknown.  They may have further identified it
>since then.  There are some wild features on it.
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/55.jpg
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/56.jpg
>
>  
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 10 11:30:34 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Baraboo Show 2005
In-Reply-To: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051010153604.57472.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101425340.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

I had a lengthy chat with the owner of that unique engine.
The consensus was that the engine started out life as an Alamo.

But that some former owner decided to "experiment" and see if he could
devise the most complicated way to achieve a simple function.  Not to the
extent of creating a Rube Goldberg contraption, but just WAY more
complicated than was strictly necessary.

The end result is a real "head scratcher" of an engine.  I'm damn glad
that the owner brings it out.  Its a fun thing to watch.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Steve Barr wrote:

> They think that the sideshaft is an Alamo, but at the auction several
> years ago, it was sold as an unknown.  They may have further identified it
> since then.  There are some wild features on it.
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Auctions/Baraboo2002/55.jpg



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 15:46:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:46:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1948F3F4364B53D7649484BB790@phx.gbl>

Thanks Arn...does anyone know who had the Muncie at Portland??

On second thot..I think she'd shoot me, so Dave's theory wouldn't werk here 
:-)

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Hi Rick,
>
> Have a peek at these...
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/muncie.oil.engine/
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/
> http://www.old-engine.com/ely.htm
>
> And just remember as Dave sez, "They're still making wives, they ain't
> making the olde iron."  Go for it; you need that engine!
>
> BTW the one that's always at Portland is a sweet runner!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> > knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
>
> <snip>
>
> > Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org  Mon Oct 10 16:29:20 2005
From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:29:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006d01c5cdf2$714d53c0$19b9869d@ibm22761389857>

Whimhurst machine for generating static electricity.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 07:34
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to
buy
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody
> have an idea??
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org  Mon Oct 10 16:41:44 2005
From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:41:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <017a01c5cdf4$2d08e880$19b9869d@ibm22761389857>

The Tri-State engine club in Portland has the Muncie that was at
the show. It has been there for a number of years.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:18
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
>
> 2 cycle
>
> No valves, just ports..altho there seems to be some sort of rubber flapper
> gizmo, looking down the intake
>
> Hot bulb
>
> Single lunger
>
> start with two horses and a "bar over"..damn and I just shot both my
horses
>
> BIG governor appears to adjust speed by increasing/decreasing length of
> injector pump stroke..I dunno
>
> The hot bulb lamp is there
>
> Water cooled
>
> Average sized Madison-Kipp oiler
>
> What did it burn? diesel, kero, and is this an "Oil Engine?"
>
> Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
>
> Rick
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Oct 10 16:54:32 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:54:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
Message-ID: <00f701c5cdf6$315a7d70$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
Peter Ogborne 
Little Grove ,Albany 
West Australia 
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 17:13:34 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:13:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT lathe manual in UK
Message-ID: <434B03AE.30607@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

If any of you in the UK with a Paypal account would be willing to help 
me purchase a manual, contact me off list. Costs me a fortune to call 
accross the pond, and the hours don't work well either.

Thanks,

Jeff Allen





From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 10 17:47:55 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:47:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: 185521833
Message-ID: <003f01c5cdfd$6b742180$0301a8c0@Cam>

I'm not getting any Peter. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
> Peter Ogborne 
> Little Grove ,Albany 
> West Australia 
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 18:33:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<017a01c5cdf4$2d08e880$19b9869d@ibm22761389857>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1546A899FBB3E58C8E2348BB780@phx.gbl>

ok thanks Bob//'preciate it.  Will get in touch with them

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blacksmith" <BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> The Tri-State engine club in Portland has the Muncie that was at
> the show. It has been there for a number of years.
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> WB8NQW
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:18
> Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
>
>
> > Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> > knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
> >
> > 2 cycle
> >
> > No valves, just ports..altho there seems to be some sort of rubber 
> > flapper
> > gizmo, looking down the intake
> >
> > Hot bulb
> >
> > Single lunger
> >
> > start with two horses and a "bar over"..damn and I just shot both my
> horses
> >
> > BIG governor appears to adjust speed by increasing/decreasing length of
> > injector pump stroke..I dunno
> >
> > The hot bulb lamp is there
> >
> > Water cooled
> >
> > Average sized Madison-Kipp oiler
> >
> > What did it burn? diesel, kero, and is this an "Oil Engine?"
> >
> > Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
> >
> > Rick
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 10 19:10:20 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:10:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
In-Reply-To: <003f01c5cdfd$6b742180$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <020c01c5ce08$f0290ed0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au] 

> I'm not getting any Peter.



I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.




From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Oct 10 19:44:20 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:44:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Old tractor videos
In-Reply-To: <200510101600.j9AG06JY031373@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200510101600.j9AG06JY031373@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051010224229.033f1c08@web1.nlenet.net>

I tripped over this web site. http://www.archive.org/details/movies I 
searched tractor and came up with this.
Farmer Miller Goes Into High Gear (Part I) - Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company
A farmer is convinced that his tractor will do more and better if it rolls 
on Goodyear tires rather than steel wheels. Includes scenes of tractor tire 
manufacturing.

I downloaded both parts and it was great. Lots of old tractors and 
incredible show of how the tires were made (Almost by hand)

Have a look and see if you can find other old iron videos in there.

http://www.archive.org/details/FarmerMi1920

Frank




  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  

From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 10 19:54:46 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:54:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: 152834291
Message-ID: <005401c5ce0f$23acb6c0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Rob you are pretty quick off the mark Mate. Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au] 
> 
>> I'm not getting any Peter.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 20:04:26 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:04:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
Message-ID: <410-22005102113426218@earthlink.net>



>   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.

> and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have
an 
> oil pump?


It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines don't do
much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.  The
mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess is
you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.

Tim Christoff





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Oct 10 21:58:06 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:58:06 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: 152834291 <005401c5ce0f$23acb6c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <01ad01c5ce20$630e6410$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

One track mind!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Hey Rob you are pretty quick off the mark Mate. Cheers Cam.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:10 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
> 
> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au] 
>> 
>>> I'm not getting any Peter.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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>



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 10 22:21:38 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:21:38 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
In-Reply-To: <00f701c5cdf6$315a7d70$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051011052138.29462.qmail@web25510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Who?!  They haven't reached Sunny Saudi (yet). 

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


--- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?



		
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 11 04:05:30 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:05:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered after 
attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation on 
one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After some 
more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear possible 
blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 00:39:05 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:39:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT lathe manual in UK
In-Reply-To: <434B03AE.30607@earthlink.net>
References: <434B03AE.30607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510110039i59b0fbe6m6f68d879bd596538@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> If any of you in the UK with a Paypal account would be willing to help
> me purchase a manual, contact me off list. Costs me a fortune to call
> accross the pond, and the hours don't work well either.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Allen
>

Give me s shout if you don't get any responses, Jeff.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Oct 11 04:28:23 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:28:23 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: <20051011052138.29462.qmail@web25510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c5ce56$e82eaed0$999181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I hope it does not get to you David ....Dave Croft and I are getting bloody 
thousands of emails from these bastards
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Everett" <deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Who?!  They haven't reached Sunny Saudi (yet).
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
> Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea
>
>
> --- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new 
> Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Oct 11 05:10:14 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:10:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
References: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <018701c5ce5c$bc5b72b0$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day Curt
i think it will  be fine after a bit of running the grove will fill with 
carbon and seal up i have a few engines with same problem it does not worry 
them
brock
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes


> Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered 
> after
> attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
> on
> one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
> some
> more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
> possible
> blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct 11 05:17:41 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:17:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c5ce20$630e6410$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: 152834291 <005401c5ce0f$23acb6c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<01ad01c5ce20$630e6410$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4532.165.206.180.102.1129033061.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

And it's always derailed.......


Bill


> One track mind!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
>
>
>> Hey Rob you are pretty quick off the mark Mate. Cheers Cam.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cam grundy [mailto:ponchie at ozemail.com.au]
>>>
>>>> I'm not getting any Peter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear that, Cam.
>>>
>>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Oct 11 05:48:45 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 8:48:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <48u2fu$1ctajf9@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>


Curt, I wouldn't try to hone it out, you're removing too much metal from the good area above. Most of your compression will come from above the wrist pin groove, there is little compression until the piston nears the top. I've heard of good results filling with JB Weld. 
J.B. Castagnos


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 05:52:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:52:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
References: <410-22005102113426218@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV11BC8B24F01A98357FDE10BB780@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the carb 
is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base. 
Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic 
Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all the 
vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me 
one!! for a decent price.

  Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few 
pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!

  Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e. Ford 
coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it be 
kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the porcelain.

  And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think 
about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't like 
it.

Ya'll have a nice day
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)


>
>
> >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
>
> > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby have
> an
> > oil pump?
>
>
> It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines don't 
> do
> much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time. 
> The
> mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess is
> you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct 11 05:59:36 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
In-Reply-To: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@
	mchsi.com>
References: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <4583.165.206.180.102.1129035576.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

You should be able to go up to .010 (ten over) without issues. At least
you can in the automotive world. The rings will still break-in and seal.
As important as anything is the finish you give the cylinder wall.

Want some interesting reading?

Go visit:
http://kb-silvolite.com/feature.php?action=read&F_id=40

(I'm using KB's hyper 28cc stepdish pistons in my Javy.)

Bill

> Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered
> after
> attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation
> on
> one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After
> some
> more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear
> possible
> blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 06:24:31 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:24:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV11BC8B24F01A98357FDE10BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick,

Here are a few pics of one I used to own. Not the greatest.......

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/newway/newway.html

I wouldn't lift it from the spark plug hole. I don't like the idea either.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=========================

>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>
>   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
>pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
>
>  whatcha all think
>about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't like
>it.
>
>Ya'll have a nice day
>RickinMt.




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 06:27:37 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:27:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old tractor videos
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051010224229.033f1c08@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F105F7F74313882B3F6BB9EC8780@phx.gbl>

Hi Frank,

I watched part one and part two. Pretty neat. I really enjoyed seeing how 
they made the tires. Thanks for sending the link along.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
======================

>From: Frank DeWitt <Frank at lbpinc.com>
>
>I tripped over this web site. http://www.archive.org/details/movies I 
>searched tractor and came up with this.
>Farmer Miller Goes Into High Gear (Part I) - Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company
>A farmer is convinced that his tractor will do more and better if it rolls 
>on Goodyear tires rather than steel wheels. Includes scenes of tractor tire 
>manufacturing.
>
>I downloaded both parts and it was great. Lots of old tractors and 
>incredible show of how the tires were made (Almost by hand)
>
>Have a look and see if you can find other old iron videos in there.
>
>http://www.archive.org/details/FarmerMi1920
>
>Frank
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 07:02:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:02:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test for Dave Croft
Message-ID: <6f6025160510110702n582a60do5e9c2d9a3dcdaa3f@mail.gmail.com>

Ignore please, this is for Dave Croft through the SEL

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 11 07:13:08 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:13:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101120051413.26019.434BC8740004AFE6000065A321979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Bill for the website and help.
Curt


> You should be able to go up to .010 (ten over) without issues. At least
> you can in the automotive world. The rings will still break-in and seal.
> As important as anything is the finish you give the cylinder wall.
> 
> Want some interesting reading?
> 
> Go visit:
> http://kb-silvolite.com/feature.php?action=read&F_id=40
> 
> (I'm using KB's hyper 28cc stepdish pistons in my Javy.)
> 
> Bill
> 
> > Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered
> > after
> > attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation
> > on
> > one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After
> > some
> > more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear
> > possible
> > blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> > thankyou in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 07:09:05 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:09:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>

Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does it 
blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for miles 
around.

  Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not 
mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure 
overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.

  So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's known 
as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an external 
hot bulb must be used...am I correct?

Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot.  I'm 
pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up today. 
He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several times: 
"Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume 
it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the 
flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!

Well enuf fer now..

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Hi Rick,
>
> Have a peek at these...
> http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/muncie.oil.engine/
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/
> http://www.old-engine.com/ely.htm
>
> And just remember as Dave sez, "They're still making wives, they ain't
> making the olde iron."  Go for it; you need that engine!
>
> BTW the one that's always at Portland is a sweet runner!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Would like to correspond with anyone who has a big Muncie or anyone who
> > knows something about them..I'll try to explain this engine
>
> <snip>
>
> > Thanks much gang...this one could cause THE BIG "D"
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 11 07:20:38 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:20:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101120051420.4007.434BCA36000476DB00000FA721979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Brock was hoping that was the issue.
Curt


> G,day Curt
> i think it will  be fine after a bit of running the grove will fill with 
> carbon and seal up i have a few engines with same problem it does not worry 
> them
> brock
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:05 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
> 
> 
> > Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered 
> > after
> > attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
> > on
> > one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
> > some
> > more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
> > possible
> > blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> > thankyou in advance,
> > Curt Andree
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 07:25:06 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:25:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>

Thank you Luke!!! Once again the SEL shines big time.  It is very similiar 
to mine.  So the mixer looks very basic with what looks like a choke lever 
and must be a needle valve in there somewhere.

  Yours has the spark saver in the same place and gov mechansim looks the 
same.  Will study the pix's again.

You Da Man
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick,
>
> Here are a few pics of one I used to own. Not the greatest.......
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/newway/newway.html
>
> I wouldn't lift it from the spark plug hole. I don't like the idea either.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> =========================
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >
> >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> >pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> >
> >  whatcha all think
> >about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't 
> >like
> >it.
> >
> >Ya'll have a nice day
> >RickinMt.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 08:19:40 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:19:40 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does it
> blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for miles
> around.
>
>   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
>
>   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's known
> as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an external
> hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
>
> Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot.  I'm
> pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up today.
> He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several times:
> "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
>
> Well enuf fer now..
>
> Rick

Rick:

We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
isn't hand-start!

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Oct 11 08:43:12 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:43:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a 
> lifetime shot.  I'm pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota 
> pickup which I'm cleaning up today. 
> He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the 
>statement several times: 
> "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm 
> going to assume it's stuck as he has nothing covering 
> the intake and the bottom of the flywheels are in the 
>dirt...aaarghhh!!!

Rick,
The tone of your prose conveys both enthusiasm and apprehension.  

The wise and noble American Indians had a saying that might help you in reaching
a decision, "As you walk along the path of life, you will come across a great
chasm;  jump, it as not as far as you think."  In your case, they would say that
"the engine is not as large as you think."  

Besides, we all know you're a Montana land baron.  That Muncie could get lost on
that spread of yours.  

And the lovely and patient Mrs. S.?  She won't dump you.  She'll still need
someone to get the flour off the top shelf and to open a pickle jars.  

Rob




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 09:17:30 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:17:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>

   Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and 
shot around 20 pix's

If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while to 
digest them.

Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan assy. 
The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but 
it's a 4 1/2.

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom

Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I don't 
like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?

Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.

"headed fer the shed"
RickinMt.


 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 09:27:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:27:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>

Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange 
piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link 
shows that.
  Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one 
cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.

nice pix
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does 
> > it
> > blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for 
> > miles
> > around.
> >
> >   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> > mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> > overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
> >
> >   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's 
> > known
> > as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an 
> > external
> > hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
> >
> > Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot. 
> > I'm
> > pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up 
> > today.
> > He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several 
> > times:
> > "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> > it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> > flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
> >
> > Well enuf fer now..
> >
> > Rick
>
> Rick:
>
> We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
> years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
> two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
> isn't hand-start!
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 11 09:29:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510111227450.68745@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rick,

Can't help you with the Muncie; I've seen the one at Portland running but
I've not seen it started.  You NEED to go to Portland 2006 for some
first-hand research!

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 09:41:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:41:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>

Thanks Rob  ROTFLMAO  And I do do, a lot of reaching for her :-))

  But I'm supposed to be buying a snowplow.  As we speak I'm writing a 
letter to the owner...catcha later and I like the way you think!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Muncie engine


>
> > Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a
> > lifetime shot.  I'm pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota
> > pickup which I'm cleaning up today.
> > He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the
> >statement several times:
> > "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm
> > going to assume it's stuck as he has nothing covering
> > the intake and the bottom of the flywheels are in the
> >dirt...aaarghhh!!!
>
> Rick,
> The tone of your prose conveys both enthusiasm and apprehension.
>
> The wise and noble American Indians had a saying that might help you in 
> reaching
> a decision, "As you walk along the path of life, you will come across a 
> great
> chasm;  jump, it as not as far as you think."  In your case, they would 
> say that
> "the engine is not as large as you think."
>
> Besides, we all know you're a Montana land baron.  That Muncie could get 
> lost on
> that spread of yours.
>
> And the lovely and patient Mrs. S.?  She won't dump you.  She'll still 
> need
> someone to get the flour off the top shelf and to open a pickle jars.
>
> Rob
>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 10 16:17:18 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:17:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <002f01c5cdf0$c36b6e50$a09afea9@no1>

I posted 21 hours ago & haven't seen it yet!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 11 06:40:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:40:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <006b01c5ce69$5bc43380$a09afea9@no1>

I am not getting any posts though to the list!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 11 07:57:03 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:57:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001501c5ce74$0d8c3db0$a09afea9@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
> have an idea??
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger

Hi Luke, It is a Wimshurst machine.
I have one near me as I write.
See http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wimshurst.html
Yours doesn't seem to have the metal foil segments on the disc's!
You can see mine on my Webshots page.
See http://community.webshots.com/album/17467711QgNjoxctQL
PS I have been trying to send this for a couple of days. I hope it works this time!

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 11:01:26 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:01:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F306ECF98452EF757EADB2BC8780@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick,

Picture #9 of the crankcase fitting....   Is it a drain plug or a fitting to 
drain off excess oil?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA
=======================

>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>
>The album title says 4 hp but
>it's a 4 1/2.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
>
>
>"headed fer the shed"
>RickinMt.




From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 11:25:07 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:25:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <8c.313cdca6.307d5d83@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/2005 2:15:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< I am not getting any posts though to the list! >>


Dave,

This one came thru ok, 2:15 pm EDT.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org  Tue Oct 11 11:29:01 2005
From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:29:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c5ce91$a770e260$4abe869d@ibm22761389857>

    They use air start and it is a hot bulb ignition. A torch
heats the bulb before starting and it stays hot enough
while running. The governor is linkage is very interesting.
It is maually barred over to past TDC for the air.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:19
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does
it
> blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for miles
> around.
>
>   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
>
>   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's
known
> as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an
external
> hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
>
> Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot.  I'm
> pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up
today.
> He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several
times:
> "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
>
> Well enuf fer now..
>
> Rick

Rick:

We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
isn't hand-start!

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Oct 11 11:31:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:31:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine / OT snowplow
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434C04E7.7070809@imc-group.com>

Rick, Rick, Rick,
Perhaps a creative approach to engine acquisition for this big Muncie. 
Put it on wheels and temporarily bolt a couple of sheets of plywood to 
one end. Add a hitch and push it around with the tractor for a hell of a 
snow plow. "Voila, two fer one. Wot a deal. :-)
Curt

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Thanks Rob  ROTFLMAO  And I do do, a lot of reaching for her :-))
>
>  But I'm supposed to be buying a snowplow.  As we speak I'm writing a 
>letter to the owner...catcha later and I like the way you think!
>Rick
>
>  
>



From nick at holden1.net  Tue Oct 11 11:45:10 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:45:10 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <006b01c5ce69$5bc43380$a09afea9@no1>
Message-ID: <434C0836.000001.08088@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi dave just got it hear 
at 19.44 on 11/10/05
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Dave Croft
Date: 10/11/05 19:07:30
To: atis
Subject: [SEL] Test
 
I am not getting any posts though to the list!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Oct 11 10:35:51 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:35:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ce8a$3d4afb20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick, see how it looks when someone made a New Way engine
model. A friend of our club did.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/newwaymodelengine.htm

Enjoy the details,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan assy. 
> The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but 
> it's a 4 1/2.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> 
> "headed fer the shed"
> RickinMt.




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:02:53 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:02:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
In-Reply-To: <101120051105.2153.434B9C7A000A433B0000086921979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F4170004BA6A9C29D0856395780@phx.gbl>

Hi Curt, I wouldn't do too much honing, around here wrist pin scores are 
usually filled with JB weld and worked down with an old piston ring.  It 
really works!! Steve


>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
>Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:05:30 +0000
>
>Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered after
>attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
>on
>one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
>some
>more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
>possible
>blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:06:11 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:06:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV11BC8B24F01A98357FDE10BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1102A6336DFBBCC3A9D6F495780@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick I'll send pics of my new way mixer, I think you could easily make 
one.  as for the new way spark plug, it might cost what your engine did!  
Steve


>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
>Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:52:34 -0600
>
>Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the carb
>is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base.
>Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic
>Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all the
>vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me
>one!! for a decent price.
>
>   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
>pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
>
>   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e. Ford
>coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it 
>be
>kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the porcelain.
>
>   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think
>about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't like
>it.
>
>Ya'll have a nice day
>RickinMt.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
>Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
>
>
> >
> >
> > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> >
> > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby 
>have
> > an
> > > oil pump?
> >
> >
> > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines don't
> > do
> > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.
> > The
> > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess 
>is
> > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> >
> >
> >
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:23:54 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:23:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange
> piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> shows that.
>   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one
> cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.
>
> nice pix
> Rick
>

If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
the top of the block towards the head.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:30:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:30:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange
> > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> > shows that.
> >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one
> > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.
> >
> > nice pix
> > Rick
> >
>
> If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> the top of the block towards the head.

Better still:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00044.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00047.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00067.jpg

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:39:17 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:39:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510111539tdab16b6o11bc5a1b2582342e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some strange
> > > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> > > shows that.
> > >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just one
> > > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find out.
> > >
> > > nice pix
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
> > If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> > as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> > the top of the block towards the head.
>
> Better still:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00044.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00047.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00067.jpg
>
> Peter
>
There is another Muncie as well:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00045.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00046.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00066.jpg

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 15:44:00 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:44:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510111227450.68745@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV150D17A9D7E316B023F5DABB780@phx.gbl>

Arn..I was thinking the same thing earlier this morning..Maybe I should get 
it to it's new home first :-)

BUT I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> Hi Rick,
>
> Can't help you with the Muncie; I've seen the one at Portland running but
> I've not seen it started.  You NEED to go to Portland 2006 for some
> first-hand research!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 15:49:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:49:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F306ECF98452EF757EADB2BC8780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1433F332FCA872A0A936F9BB780@phx.gbl>

I don't know Luke.solly..check back with the Hollands and me in about 6 
months or so...:-)  And that's if I ever get it apart.  But with the propane 
torch I did manage to get the fan off and a few more fittings.

HEAT RULES!!!

Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick,
>
> Picture #9 of the crankcase fitting....   Is it a drain plug or a fitting 
> to
> drain off excess oil?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> =======================
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >
> >The album title says 4 hp but
> >it's a 4 1/2.
> >
> >http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> >
> >"headed fer the shed"
> >RickinMt.
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 15:55:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:55:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine / OT snowplow
References: <028c01c5ce7a$7e2f2cc0$0201a8c0@robscomputer><BAY5-DAV2A71B9C571DF604C59964BB780@phx.gbl>
	<434C04E7.7070809@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV194F9D3B9B9B8DF1AE48D2BB780@phx.gbl>

I'm a gonna need a BIGGER truck Curt!!!!

BILTWYT

Rick


> Rick, Rick, Rick,
> Perhaps a creative approach to engine acquisition for this big Muncie. 
> Put it on wheels and temporarily bolt a couple of sheets of plywood to 
> one end. Add a hitch and push it around with the tractor for a hell of a 
> snow plow. "Voila, two fer one. Wot a deal. :-)
> Curt


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 16:06:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:06:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c5ce91$a770e260$4abe869d@ibm22761389857>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV176D5F3FC63EF30EAF8925BB780@phx.gbl>

Ok Thanks Bob..yes the gov assy. is very interesting to say the least...all 
we could figure out is that it changes the stroke of the injector 
pump...thusly adjusting the amount of injection..which must control RPM.

  Jeez..it must be able to throw some AIR into the cylinder after TDC..will 
keep that in mind

It don't get no better than this!!!!
Rick



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blacksmith" <BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


>     They use air start and it is a hot bulb ignition. A torch
> heats the bulb before starting and it stays hot enough
> while running. The governor is linkage is very interesting.
> It is maually barred over to past TDC for the air.
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> WB8NQW
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:19
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine
>
>
> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Arnie..do they "bar it over" to start it..or use a pony setup?  And does
> it
> > blow an oily mess?  The two stroke I've seen can kill misquitoes for 
> > miles
> > around.
> >
> >   Just wondering what kind of injector was used on this ole girl...not
> > mechanically operated so It must just shoot a spray when fuel pressure
> > overrides the injector spring...at the correct time.
> >
> >   So now after chatting with a guy last night, this is probably what's
> known
> > as a semi-diesel.  It doesn't have enuf compression to start, so an
> external
> > hot bulb must be used...am I correct?
> >
> > Damn this is an exciting engine and probably once in a lifetime shot. 
> > I'm
> > pretty sure he'll trade it for my Toyota pickup which I'm cleaning up
> today.
> > He does want it to stay in Montana and has made the statement several
> times:
> > "Rick, will you promise me, you'll get it running?"  I'm going to assume
> > it's stuck as he has nothing covering the intake and the bottom of the
> > flywheels are in the dirt...aaarghhh!!!
> >
> > Well enuf fer now..
> >
> > Rick
>
> Rick:
>
> We have taken pictures of the Muncie Oil Engine on each of the three
> years we have been to Portland, but non are really close-up. It has
> two great big air tanks on the back of the trailer, so it definitely
> isn't hand-start!
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland/Portland048.htm
>
> Peter
> --
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> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 16:20:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:20:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV89D381BCABFA4FD2E1E24BB780@phx.gbl>

Peter I got all the time in the world and winter is coming fast.  "hit me 
with your best shot"

Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com

Thanks much




















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some 
> > strange
> > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your link
> > shows that.
> >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with just 
> > one
> > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to find 
> > out.
> >
> > nice pix
> > Rick
> >
>
> If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> the top of the block towards the head.
>
> Peter
> --
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> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 16:23:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:23:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY108-F1102A6336DFBBCC3A9D6F495780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV37C32CA67BBDC20F3469FBB780@phx.gbl>

Well thanks in anticipation Steve.  Will let the plug go for another 
day..ha, ha.

Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick I'll send pics of my new way mixer, I think you could easily make
> one.  as for the new way spark plug, it might cost what your engine did!
> Steve
>
>
> >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
> >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:52:34 -0600
> >
> >Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the 
> >carb
> >is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base.
> >Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic
> >Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all 
> >the
> >vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me
> >one!! for a decent price.
> >
> >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> >pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> >
> >   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e. 
> > Ford
> >coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it
> >be
> >kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the 
> >porcelain.
> >
> >   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think
> >about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't 
> >like
> >it.
> >
> >Ya'll have a nice day
> >RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
> >Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> > >
> > > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby
> >have
> > > an
> > > > oil pump?
> > >
> > >
> > > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines 
> > > don't
> > > do
> > > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.
> > > The
> > > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My 
> > > guess
> >is
> > > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> > >
> > > Tim Christoff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 17:21:59 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:21:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
Message-ID: <410-220051031202159812@earthlink.net>

Rick

I do have a 4  1/2 upright in my stable of New Way's so I can get you any
pic you would need.  BTW, New Way's did not use a spark saver, do NOT pick
it up by the spark plug hole, DON'T under any circumstances try and push
the piston futher down the cylinder to unstick it.  If the piston is ever
to end up at the top of the cylinder and the top ring is not stuck, it will
spread out in a hollow spot in the casting and you will have one very big
paper weight.

Tim Christoff.


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/11/2005 7:52:39 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
>
> Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the
carb 
> is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base. 
> Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic 
> Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all
the 
> vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me 
> one!! for a decent price.
>
>   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few 
> pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
>
>   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e.
Ford 
> coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't it
be 
> kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the
porcelain.
>
>   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think 
> about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't
like 
> it.
>
> Ya'll have a nice day
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
>
>
> >
> >
> > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> >
> > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby
have
> > an
> > > oil pump?
> >
> >
> > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines
don't 
> > do
> > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time. 
> > The
> > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My guess
is
> > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 11 17:36:32 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:36:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010801c5cec5$02a1bb40$210110ac@service>

Hi Rick,
these mixers have no needle valve, they just use the choke disc to adjust
mixture, i am currently trying to fabricate one out of pipe fittings. I did
ask a foundry about casting one, but they said because of design the cost
would be prohibitive.
Cheers, Chester from West Aussie.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Thank you Luke!!! Once again the SEL shines big time.  It is very similiar
> to mine.  So the mixer looks very basic with what looks like a choke lever
> and must be a needle valve in there somewhere.
>
>   Yours has the spark saver in the same place and gov mechansim looks the
> same.  Will study the pix's again.
>
> You Da Man
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > Here are a few pics of one I used to own. Not the greatest.......
> >
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/newway/newway.html
> >
> > I wouldn't lift it from the spark plug hole. I don't like the idea
either.
> >
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> > =========================
> >
> > >From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > >
> > >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> > >pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> > >
> > >  whatcha all think
> > >about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't
> > >like
> > >it.
> > >
> > >Ya'll have a nice day
> > >RickinMt.
> >
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 18:13:48 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:13:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<010801c5cec5$02a1bb40$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12B97727E8BC754D6D7A13BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Well isn't that interesting and would be a first for me..thanks Chester

Rick



> Hi Rick,
> these mixers have no needle valve, they just use the choke disc to adjust
> mixture, i am currently trying to fabricate one out of pipe fittings. I 
> did
> ask a foundry about casting one, but they said because of design the cost
> would be prohibitive.
> Cheers, Chester from West Aussie. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 11 19:42:39 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:42:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a 
good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RickinMt. 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 11 21:19:26 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:19:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>

Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a great
help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
fabricating job,
Cheers Chester from West Aussie.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


>    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and
> shot around 20 pix's
>
> If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while to
> digest them.
>
> Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
assy.
> The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but
> it's a 4 1/2.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
>
> Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
don't
> like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
>
> Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
>
> "headed fer the shed"
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
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From doug11k at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 21:20:19 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:20:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F216C783944E86D29548FC0BD860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F4E74ACC2685ED37C116A2BD7B0@phx.gbl>

Not many replies on this one. This engine is ignitor fired 4" bore, 8" 
stroke, single flywheel 29" diameter. Anyone know anything about this 
model??


>From: "Douglas Kimball" <doug11k at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:53:02 -0400
>
>A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have tried 
>Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for article 
>reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help appreciated.
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Oct 12 02:58:16 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:58:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Problem
Message-ID: <006d01c5cf13$77c20760$0301a8c0@Cam>


----- Original Message ----- 
Hi List, Kerry Morris has asked me to send this to SEL for him. Cam

To: "Cameron Grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:22 PM
Subject: SEL Problem


> G'Day All
>
> Can anyone help as to why it takes up to 48hrs for my posts to the SEL to
> turn up.
> This is a copy of message I get everytime I post to SEL only, Slick and 
> ORG
> seems OK
>
>
> Thanks
> Kerry Morris
>
>
> **********************************************
>    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
>    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
>    **********************************************
>
> The original message was received at Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:03 +1000
> from mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.200]
>
>   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to 001c-a.mx.mail-abuse.com.:
>>>> RCPT To:<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> <<< 450 Service temporarily unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] 
> Please
> try again later.
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>... Deferred: 450 Service temporarily
> unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] Please try again later.
> Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
> Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 
> 10/10/2005
> 




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Oct 12 03:16:49 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:16:49 +0100
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
References: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434CE291.4AA1C0FB@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Rick

Reg is in the UK right now.  He and Marg were staying with us at the
weekend, and we got together with Peter and Rita Forbes on Saturday for
a meal.  Had a phone message from him yesterday to say he was having  a
wonderful birthday (70) and he'll be back in touch with everyone when he
gets home, which will be at the end of next week.

Dolly

Richard Strobel wrote:

> Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a
> good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Wed Oct 12 03:20:25 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:20:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Trouble
Message-ID: <009801c5cf16$8fc5eb30$0301a8c0@Cam>

G'Day All

Can anyone help as to why it takes up to 48hrs for my posts to the SEL to
turn up.
This is a copy of message I get everytime I post to SEL only, Slick and ORG
seems OK


Thanks
Kerry Morris


 **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:31:03 +1000
from mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.200]

   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to 001c-a.mx.mail-abuse.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
<<< 450 Service temporarily unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] Please
try again later.
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>... Deferred: 450 Service temporarily
unavailable; Client host [211.29.133.72] Please try again later.
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Oct 12 04:31:17 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:31:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
Message-ID: <101220051131.22884.434CF40500003F7F0000596421979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yup Steve as I copy your msg the JB weld is setting up out in my shop, may 
give it an extra day to insure hardning before surface sanding then once more 
with the honing to make her level.  Thanks and will keep all updated.
Curt


> Hi Curt, I wouldn't do too much honing, around here wrist pin scores are 
> usually filled with JB weld and worked down with an old piston ring.  It 
> really works!! Steve
> 
> 
> >From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
> >Subject: [SEL] Piston wall woes
> >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:05:30 +0000
> >
> >Looking for some help with my Sandwich 1 1/2 restoration.  Discovered after
> >attempting to hone out the piston wall that there is a slight indentation 
> >on
> >one side caused by a loose rist pin in the engines previous life.  After 
> >some
> >more honing the indentation seems to be somewhat less but now I fear 
> >possible
> >blow-by if I continue to hone more.  How far should one go?
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 04:37:19 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:37:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1778D116DFBD9E9017BB57BB7B0@phx.gbl>

I certainly will Chester.  I removed, and disassembled it yesterday.  The 
fan hub is cast iron, and I'm very lucky it is still in one piece.  I'm 
trying to get the outer ring somewhat straight, er round, so I can get a 
fairly good measurement on the circumference.  It has 8 blades and each 
blade has two rivets that hold it to the hub.  The ring ends are held 
together with two rivets.

  I'm thinking now the fan shaft is lubed by crankcase blowby..but that's 
just a swag...and it was mentioned that didn't work to good anyway.

  Please remind me if I forget

Regards
RickInMt.



> Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a 
> great
> help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
> how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> fabricating job,
> Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 04:47:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:47:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
References: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<434CE291.4AA1C0FB@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3143F9DF43B15EC925682BB7B0@phx.gbl>

That's right..I knew he was gone..but crs hit..thanks Helen

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] down under B'day


> Hi Rick
> 
> Reg is in the UK right now.  He and Marg were staying with us at the
> weekend, and we got together with Peter and Rita Forbes on Saturday for
> a meal.  Had a phone message from him yesterday to say he was having  a
> wonderful birthday (70) and he'll be back in touch with everyone when he
> gets home, which will be at the end of next week.
> 
> Dolly
> 
> Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> > Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a
> > good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 05:02:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:02:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><010801c5cec5$02a1bb40$210110ac@service>
	<BAY5-DAV12B97727E8BC754D6D7A13BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV167B5F79FD303A1CC74520BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Well thanks fer the cool thread gang!! Steve Royster has sent me a picture 
of the mixer and I've posted it on my Webshots..thanks again Steve.  For now 
I'm just trying to get it unstuck..disassembly will come later this 
winter...but it does have a magnetic pull to it. ha, ha.

   John H.  The model is just mind bogggllingggg.  Words do no exist as to 
how I feel about these perfectionists....WHEW is about the best I can do 
<vbg>

  Sincerely
RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 05:07:05 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:07:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
References: <410-220051031202159812@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2EBF97DC7C3DDF41ED3D0BB7B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tim..what I'm looking at must just be the ignition contact(s)  and a 
piston stop will go in as soon as it's unstuck..rod cap will stay on.

later,
Rick



> Rick
>
> I do have a 4  1/2 upright in my stable of New Way's so I can get you any
> pic you would need.  BTW, New Way's did not use a spark saver, do NOT pick
> it up by the spark plug hole, DON'T under any circumstances try and push
> the piston futher down the cylinder to unstick it.  If the piston is ever
> to end up at the top of the cylinder and the top ring is not stuck, it 
> will
> spread out in a hollow spot in the casting and you will have one very big
> paper weight.
>
> Tim Christoff. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 05:27:21 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:27:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>

All I can say is "WOW, MOM, WOW" Peter.  The one pix is now my 
wallpaper...ya know so the BOSS gets used to seeing it :-)

  The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that I 
don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."

  Well I'll keep this short as I could go on for ever and ever.

Thanks for taking the time Peter on the pix's..super quality and show's they 
are twin brothers.

Sincerely
RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/11/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/11/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > > Ok GREAT Peter..you the man of the hour in my book.  I did see some 
> > > strange
> > > piping on the back of the engine that I didn't understand and your 
> > > link
> > > shows that.
> > >   Well that's just great...don't quite understand how it works with 
> > > just one
> > > cylinder..understand it somewhat on a two cylinder so will have to 
> > > find out.
> > >
> > > nice pix
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
> > If you have DSL I can email you the full-size shots of the other end
> > as well, one of which shows what looks like the air pipe coming into
> > the top of the block towards the head.
>
> Better still:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00044.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00047.jpg
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/DSC00067.jpg
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 11:50:20 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:50:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> All I can say is "WOW, MOM, WOW" Peter.  The one pix is now my
> wallpaper...ya know so the BOSS gets used to seeing it :-)
>
>   The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that I
> don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."
>
>   Well I'll keep this short as I could go on for ever and ever.
>
> Thanks for taking the time Peter on the pix's..super quality and show's they
> are twin brothers.
>
> Sincerely
> RickinMt.
>

Glad to have been of help, Rick, look forward to seeing the new
arrival, OR, better still maybe one day we'll pop over and have a look
in person! :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 10 23:18:10 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:18:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......
References: <00f701c5cdf6$315a7d70$7d9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000401c5ce2b$8f12b290$a09afea9@no1>

Hi peter,I have rung the man several times yesterday. After sending the message about the address change to all his customers
it seems that one of them has a virus & is sending the messages to us all.
He has both his computers disconected at the moment so the calls are coming from somewhere else.
PS he has our addresses as he is an engine man.
I will contact my ISP in 45 Minuits when they open.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] Is any one having a problem with......


> Is it only me that is being bombarded with mail from Team Energy?
> Peter Ogborne 
> Little Grove ,Albany 
> West Australia 
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 12 02:09:32 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:09:32 +0100
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day
References: <BAY5-DAV196C481BB4258098CC19B4BB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c5cf0c$a9ec9ae0$a09afea9@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:42 AM
Subject: [SEL] down under B'day


> Happy birthday Reg..prolly a little late for you...hope ya had a 
> good'un!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> RickinMt. 

Hi Richard, he isn't down under at the moment.
He is having a spell standing the right way up in 
England for a while.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From cjclem at sysim.net  Wed Oct 12 16:12:18 2005
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:12:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
Message-ID: <1129158738.434d98527bedd@webmail.sysim.net>

Anyone watching baseball playoffs or when Honda auto runs ad with gas 
pump dial counting down.   The sound appears to be of hit & miss engine 
in background.




From sleis at mwt.net  Wed Oct 12 19:04:18 2005
From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:04:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
References: <1129158738.434d98527bedd@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <001301c5cf9a$6d7aba40$0755becf@computer>

Hi John

      I have seen that commercial too and I thought it was a hit & miss
engine too :-)

                                                      Stacy



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Oct 12 17:56:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>

There ya go Peter.. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO THE STROBEL shack in The Big 
Sky!!!

Ouch..damn it Kathy..that hurt!!

Jus kiddin'..she's a good ole construction brat and is at the watering hole 
as I type


RickinMt


>
> Glad to have been of help, Rick, look forward to seeing the new
> arrival, OR, better still maybe one day we'll pop over and have a look
> in person! :-))
>
> Peter 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Oct 12 18:31:59 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:31:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
In-Reply-To: <001301c5cf9a$6d7aba40$0755becf@computer>
References: <1129158738.434d98527bedd@webmail.sysim.net>
	<001301c5cf9a$6d7aba40$0755becf@computer>
Message-ID: <7bda669689356df977162f34e9dee6d3@chartertn.net>

So, did Honda ever build H&M engines?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 12 19:17:43 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:17:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
In-Reply-To: <7bda669689356df977162f34e9dee6d3@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c5cf9c$4cf85c80$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> So, did Honda ever build H&M engines?

http://patricks.home.texas.net/bikes/HondaHistory.htm





From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Oct 11 09:48:23 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:48:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>
	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051011124721.03f3cd20@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:17 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote:
>    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))
>RickinMt.

Good lord, even I'm not going to touch that one!
         Dave 



From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 12 20:14:29 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:14:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
Message-ID: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran across
these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique Power
Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 3
rightmost pix at:
http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this Stover
flywheel!
http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html

-Rick I.






From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 12 21:12:24 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:12:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
In-Reply-To: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
References: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <434DDEA8.10004@earthlink.net>

I still ain't figured Rick S's picture. Still looks like the blade is 
going through the I-beam. Folks from Montana can be a bit strange 
though. I should no cause I'm from there. :-) Nice to know someone looks 
at my clubs photos Rick I.

Jeff Allen
http://frapa.us/



Rick I. wrote:

>Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran across
>these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique Power
>Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 3
>rightmost pix at:
>http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
>The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this Stover
>flywheel!
>http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html
>
>-Rick I.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 12 21:15:38 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:15:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051011124721.03f3cd20@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl>	<BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl>	<BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051011124721.03f3cd20@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <434DDF6A.6050106@earthlink.net>

Come on Dave!! Wouldn't you prefer it that way?

Jeff

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> At 12:17 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote:
>
>>    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))
>> RickinMt.
>
>
> Good lord, even I'm not going to touch that one!
>         Dave
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 22:41:15 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:41:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510122241k38bf3a57x62ec99dbd787e4de@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/13/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> There ya go Peter.. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO THE STROBEL shack in The Big
> Sky!!!
>
> Ouch..damn it Kathy..that hurt!!
>
> Jus kiddin'..she's a good ole construction brat and is at the watering hole
> as I type
>
>
> RickinMt
>
>

Where exactly in Montana are you located?  I had a quick look at the
maps yesterday, but could use a location to see where you're at....

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 11 13:17:33 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:17:33 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <8c.313cdca6.307d5d83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c5cea0$d1b20040$a09afea9@no1>

Thanks Guys, The later posts finaly made it but the earlier one seem to have disapeared.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Test


> In a message dated 10/11/2005 2:15:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
> 
> << I am not getting any posts though to the list! >>
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> This one came thru ok, 2:15 pm EDT.
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 13 04:18:41 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:18:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test please ignore
Message-ID: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>

12:18
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Oct 13 05:09:39 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:09:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bulletin boards down
Message-ID: <200510130809390953.0C15078D@heavyiron.atis.net>

Due to a very concerted set of SPAM attacks that are bringing the ATIS
server down to its knees, ATIS bulletin boards will be down until further
notice.

Sorry about that, but these attacks were, for all intents and purposes,
locking the machine up.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 10 05:18:44 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?
References: <BAY103-F30B1A990EA86B4B28F296CC8790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c5cd94$c3792ec0$a09afea9@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic - What is this?


> My Uncle has a friend that purcased this 'thing' at an auction. After the 
> purchase an individual approached him from Greenfield Village trying to buy 
> it. Nobody seems to know what it is or what it is used for. Does anybody 
> have an idea??
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/thing.jpg
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA

Hi Luke, It is a Wimshurst machine.
I have one near me as I write.
See http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wimshurst.html
Yours doesn't seem to have the metal foil segments on the disc's!
You can see mine on my Webshots page.
See http://community.webshots.com/album/17467711QgNjoxctQL
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 13 03:28:23 2005
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Honda Ad, hit & miss sound??
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5cf9c$4cf85c80$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051013102824.38508.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

That commercial was here in the Tidewater area of Virginia quite awhile ago. They used the sound of the hit and miss engine to represent the noise of an old gas pump dial ticking over the gallons and dollars. I guess they were illustrating that the Honda would save you gas and money.
   Dave.

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> So, did Honda ever build H&M engines?

http://patricks.home.texas.net/bikes/HondaHistory.htm



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 05:50:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:50:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV36707F3CD07309C0B807DBB7A0@phx.gbl>

That is pretty kewl
Thanx
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick I." <rdi at rochester.rr.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran 
> across
> these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique 
> Power
> Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 3
> rightmost pix at:
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
> The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this Stover
> flywheel!
> http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html
>
> -Rick I.
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 05:53:17 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:53:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] WaHooo
References: <0bc201c5cfa4$39c7aaa0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
	<434DDEA8.10004@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1964DF36724F3FFD573F13BB7A0@phx.gbl>

Jeff, do you make your "N"'s backwards...backward N's are VERY common 
here..especially on billboards and such!!

Solly fer the O/T

Rick..transplanted from Wash. State. :-)))


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] WaHooo


> I still ain't figured Rick S's picture. Still looks like the blade is
> going through the I-beam. Folks from Montana can be a bit strange
> though. I should no cause I'm from there. :-) Nice to know someone looks
> at my clubs photos Rick I.
>
> Jeff Allen
> http://frapa.us/
>
>
>
> Rick I. wrote:
>
> >Regarding Rick S's mysterious penetrating saw blade photo at
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF , I ran 
> >across
> >these similarly cool photos on the web down in the Front Range Antique 
> >Power
> >Assn pages from Limon, 2003- look closely at the moving flywheels in the 
> >3
> >rightmost pix at:
> >http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon.html
> >The best one- check out the warped/stretched/squished holes in this 
> >Stover
> >flywheel!
> >http://frapa.us/Photos/Limon/Limon5.html
> >
> >-Rick I.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 06:05:43 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:05:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV8CB18223379E9613EAB9CBB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510111523l517c2d85j486c2ecdc2688c59@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160510111530j11a4d7e0t1b884d4746be3047@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV1579A0A00850A1477E5C25BB7B0@phx.gbl><6f6025160510121150o6c4a8664n399e9c5d42ec8f1e@mail.gmail.com><BAY5-DAV4458BD16C503F04341720BB7A0@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510122241k38bf3a57x62ec99dbd787e4de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV11CB988EBCBDBF4E75642EBB7A0@phx.gbl>

Peter, just to make it interesting, we live here.  The place just right of 
center...with the octagon house and trapezoid lookin' yard.

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=2205&y=25816&z=12&w=2

Called Helena as Lars and Leena were traveling by covered wagon in 1869. 
Lars noticed the oxen were about payed out after coming across the north 
hill.  He turned to Leena and said "Hell Lenna, let's stop here."

  In time, the Leeenna was dropped and now it's prounounced Hell ena..as in 
enema <vbg>

"Jus slap me"

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


> On 10/13/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > There ya go Peter.. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO THE STROBEL shack in The Big
> > Sky!!!
> >
> > Ouch..damn it Kathy..that hurt!!
> >
> > Jus kiddin'..she's a good ole construction brat and is at the watering 
> > hole
> > as I type
> >
> >
> > RickinMt
> >
> >
>
> Where exactly in Montana are you located?  I had a quick look at the
> maps yesterday, but could use a location to see where you're at....
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 10 04:30:54 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:30:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
References: <BAY103-F216C783944E86D29548FC0BD860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a801c5cd8e$1436e840$3c5aecdc@morris>

G'Day Douglas

As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3 
types as far as I know

"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators

The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, check 
out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the side 
shaft,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.

I have never seen a manual for a J.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ

WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/

skype ID:   ozengine

sent 9.30pm


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Kimball" <doug11k at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted


>A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have tried 
>Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for article 
>reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help appreciated.
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 07:32:14 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:32:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
References: <410-220051031202159812@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12A207F2ACABD932AF9F27BB7A0@phx.gbl>

Tim, could I get a picture of the ignition system for the 4 and a 
half...preciate it.  and I'm cc'ing ya as I think the sel server is down.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Rick
>
> I do have a 4  1/2 upright in my stable of New Way's so I can get you any
> pic you would need.  BTW, New Way's did not use a spark saver, do NOT pick
> it up by the spark plug hole, DON'T under any circumstances try and push
> the piston futher down the cylinder to unstick it.  If the piston is ever
> to end up at the top of the cylinder and the top ring is not stuck, it 
> will
> spread out in a hollow spot in the casting and you will have one very big
> paper weight.
>
> Tim Christoff.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/11/2005 7:52:39 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp  Model E, Type C
> >
> > Thanks for the reply Tim.  I have a fairly good idea now on where the
> carb
> > is located and was very surprised to see it way down next to the base.
> > Makes sense tho seeings as how there's no fuel pump.  I've got a classic
> > Zenith which I'll use until the right one shows up.  I've contacted all
> the
> > vendor's ..to no avail.  50 rocket finder fee to anyone who can find me
> > one!! for a decent price.
> >
> >   Is there anyone on the list that has a New Way and can snap a few
> > pix's?..you'd be my friend forever..this is a very kewl engine!!!
> >
> >   Seeings as how this is spark plug fired, do I need a Buzz box, i.e.
> Ford
> > coil or equivalent?  I see what appears to be a spark saver.  Wouldn't 
> > it
> be
> > kewl also to find a New Way Spark Plug?  guess they imported the
> porcelain.
> >
> >   And on another final note (and the crowd goes wild), whatcha all think
> > about lifting a engine using the spark plug hole?  I personally don't
> like
> > it.
> >
> > Ya'll have a nice day
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] In need of a BIGGER doghouse:-)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >   It's a 4 1/2 hp, stuck, and need a carby bad for it.
> > >
> > > > and a close up of the fan.  Is that an oil line and does this baby
> have
> > > an
> > > > oil pump?
> > >
> > >
> > > It is an oil line but it does not have an oil pump and those lines
> don't
> > > do
> > > much good, you usually need to oil the fan manually from time to time.
> > > The
> > > mixer will set you back around $125-$150 if you can find one.  My 
> > > guess
> is
> > > you will have better luck getting someone to cast one for you.
> > >
> > > Tim Christoff
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Oct 13 08:21:50 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:21:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Test please ignore
Message-ID: <101320051521.1508.434E7B8E000B0CD6000005E421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Dave,
Your msg came through at 12:49 today.
Curt


> 12:18
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Oct 13 10:18:24 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:18:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <00a801c5cd8e$1436e840$3c5aecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <20051013171813.HOIE15527.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

The boys tell me that a JB stands for J Benzine.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

G'Day Douglas

As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3 
types as far as I know

"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators

The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, check

out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the side 
shaft,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.

I have never seen a manual for a J.

Kerry Morris
Lithgow N.S.W  OZ





From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Oct 13 13:16:06 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
In-Reply-To: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing to
decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor tile
and backsplash tile, etc.
I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will do a
1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look before
you purchase.
They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where they
said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!

Any thoughts?
To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be cool
Thanks.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)



From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Thu Oct 13 13:57:09 2005
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:57:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
In-Reply-To: <2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
	<2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <434ECA25.30605@atnet.net>

Bill - I believe with the advent of computers, etc. this has become a 
standard service at most of the bigger hardware stores.  Check out your 
local HOME DEPOT or LOWELS, if not, then try the paint companies.

Remember an actual sample from the same material etc. works best.

Good luck,

Regards,

Bob

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

> I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing to
> decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor tile
> and backsplash tile, etc.
> I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
> offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will do a
> 1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look before
> you purchase.
> They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where they
> said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!
> 
> Any thoughts?
> To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be cool
> Thanks.
> 
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)
> 
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Oct 13 14:11:02 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:11:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
	<2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <016201c5d03a$9f40c5b0$824f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Ask your wife!!

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT - paint samples?


I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing to
decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor tile
and backsplash tile, etc.
I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will do a
1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look before
you purchase.
They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where they
said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!

Any thoughts?
To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be cool
Thanks.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)

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From bhaynes at prexar.com  Thu Oct 13 14:44:33 2005
From: bhaynes at prexar.com (Blaine Haynes)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:44:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>


Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529


  I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the block....1
1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston ,
brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine



From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Oct 13 15:26:22 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:26:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <410-2200510413222622218@coastalnet.com>

Blaine,

Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
these were Titan engines.

John Hammink will probably have more to add.

Take care.

Ken

 


> [Original Message]
> From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
>
>
> Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
>
>
>   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
block....1
> 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston
,
> brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
> from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
> have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 15:32:04 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:32:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
Message-ID: <007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>

It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
What is a cross head??

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/





From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Oct 13 15:58:38 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:58:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <410-2200510413225838375@coastalnet.com>

Blaine,

Here is a page with a couple of catalog cuts showing the application
of these engines.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/myers/52/cat52-5.htm

Check out pages 242 and 248.

Take care.

Ken






From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 13 17:08:17 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <20051014000817.91683.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ed,
A crosshead is a sliding component that is located between the crankshaft and the piston. There is a wrist pin in it that connects the crank to the crosshead, then a straight round rod screws into the top of it and runs to the underside of the piston. Crossheads are mainly used in double acting  steam engines and compressors. The usage of the crosshead and straight solid round connection rod allows a good sealing area and the lower or underside of the piston can then be used as power or compresson.  The only internal combustion engine I'm aware of is the Mery 6 cycle engine.
How's the 2 cyl Briggs comming along?
Ron


ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
What is a cross head??

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/



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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Oct 13 17:12:41 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:12:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <002f01c5d053$ff890540$0d5c1f40@Eagle>

    The crosshead is between the connecting rod and the piston. Think
steam engine. It is the sliding shoe - usually upper and lower - or right
and left -that keeps the piston rod in a straight back and forth motion.
The  connecting rod then connects the crosshead to the crank.

Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead


> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
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From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 15:16:20 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:16:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
Message-ID: <000d01c5d043$c0d83bf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Blaine, your engine VC 5533 is a 1 hp hopper cooled
gasoline engine made in 1912.

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Haynes" <bhaynes at prexar.com>
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.


>   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the block....1
> 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston ,
> brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
> from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
> have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine




From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 17:28:33 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:28:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBAEMOEHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>

Ed,
Others may have a more technical definition, but to me a cross head is
an "in-between" connection between the crankshaft and the piston.  With
the motion that a crankshaft puts on a connecting rod, it would be
impossible to maintain a direct "to and fro" motion.  Instead, the
connecting rod drives a connecting block in the crosshead, which in turn
drives a piston rod which can be driven to and fro with no up & down
motion.  I'm thinking of the 1895 Mery engine ... which was kinda at the
end of the steam era (many observers mistake it for a steam engine).   A
"crosshead" (to me) is more often thought of as a steam engine 'thing'
.....

http://www.pbase.com/captain_carl/image/41033128

That's not the best picture of it, but you can see the crosshead with
the connecting rod coming from the crank, and the piston rod on the
front end of the crosshead.  The Mery has 2 combustion chambers, the aft
one being "sealed" by a packing nut around the piston rod.

>What is a cross head??





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 13 17:41:08 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:41:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV115602ABD1C16657A03E58BB7D0@phx.gbl>

Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to move 
STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does.  I can 
take pix's if you like

RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead


> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
>
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From doug11k at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 13 18:15:17 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:15:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <00a801c5cd8e$1436e840$3c5aecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F28A03ABD8EF75276EB6F3CBD7D0@phx.gbl>

Kerry,
Patrick is right, the "B" stands for benzine(gasoline) which we understand 
was available only for export. This engine found in Canada.


>From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:30:54 +1000
>
>G'Day Douglas
>
>As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3 
>types as far as I know
>
>"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
>"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
>"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators
>
>The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, 
>check out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the 
>side shaft,
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.
>
>I have never seen a manual for a J.
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
>WEB:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/
>
>skype ID:   ozengine
>
>sent 9.30pm
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Kimball" <doug11k at hotmail.com>
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>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:53 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>
>
>>A friend has acquired a Crossley Model JB engine, ser.#53930. We have 
>>tried Internal Fire Museum for a manual & Stationary Engine Magazine for 
>>article reprint but neither specifically list Model J's. Any help 
>>appreciated.
>>
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From doug11k at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 13 18:16:33 2005
From: doug11k at hotmail.com (Douglas Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:16:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <20051013171813.HOIE15527.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7B0CF40A2D199BB97267FBD7D0@phx.gbl>

Patrick,
Do the boys have any other information?


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
>Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:18:24 +1000
>
>The boys tell me that a JB stands for J Benzine.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>-----Original Message-----
>
>G'Day Douglas
>
>As an owner of a Crossley J, I am interested in what a JB is as there are 3
>types as far as I know
>
>"J" Gas engine (Town Gas) not gasoline
>"JJ" Oil Engine (Kerosene)
>"JJE" Special engine for driving electrical generators
>
>The Gas engines and the Oil engines have a different numbering system, 
>check
>
>out my engine as to differences, has it got one or two cams one the side
>shaft,
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/  under English Built engines.
>
>I have never seen a manual for a J.
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lithgow N.S.W  OZ
>
>
>
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Thu Oct 13 18:20:27 2005
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:20:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <20051014000817.91683.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051014000817.91683.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <434F07DB.3030904@atnet.net>

To see a great a cross head example and neat engine check out 
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

Regards,

Bob
Moses Lake, WA

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> A crosshead is a sliding component that is located between the crankshaft and the piston. There is a wrist pin in it that connects the crank to the crosshead, then a straight round rod screws into the top of it and runs to the underside of the piston. Crossheads are mainly used in double acting  steam engines and compressors. The usage of the crosshead and straight solid round connection rod allows a good sealing area and the lower or underside of the piston can then be used as power or compresson.  The only internal combustion engine I'm aware of is the Mery 6 cycle engine.
> How's the 2 cyl Briggs comming along?
> Ron
> 
> 
> ED <edstoller at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>.


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 18:37:32 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:37:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2><007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
	<BAY5-DAV115602ABD1C16657A03E58BB7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009c01c5d05f$d95abc40$97bff504@x8h7l9>

Thanks guys, I got it now; the crosshead is not part of the head. I think if
it as a cross slide.

Ron, I still have not come up with a second Briggs Model 5S block. (The
project is to join two Briggs Model 5s to make a little inline vertical twin
engine for a scale model tractor.  ) I finally added the as built Tecumseh
schematic for the older Solid State Ignitions to my web site.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CrossHead


> Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to
move
> STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does.  I can
> take pix's if you like
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
>
>
> > It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In
the
> > September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page
10.
> > What is a cross head??
> >
> > Ed Stoller
> > New Fairfield, CT
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
> >
> >
> >
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From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct 13 18:52:47 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:52:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
	<BAY5-DAV115602ABD1C16657A03E58BB7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00af01c5d061$fa0f02a0$8ff1a518@SkipBetty>

Isn't a cross head used on a steam engine or some of those tandem engines so 
that a combustion chamber or in the case of a steamer, a high pressure 
chamber on both ends of the piston stroke? I think it is.Would this make it 
a double acting engine? I believe it would.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CrossHead


> Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to 
> move STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does.  I 
> can take pix's if you like
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
>
>
>> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
>> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 
>> 10.
>> What is a cross head??
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
>>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Oct 13 19:23:48 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:23:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT  - paint samples?
References: <000901c5cfe7$ded23400$fa4c1152@no1>
	<2419.165.206.180.102.1129234566.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c5d066$4fd79fe0$771117d1@net.telenet.net>

Think that is Sherwin Williams. Them or Benjamin Moore. Both are very
good paint.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] OT OT OT - paint samples?


> I'm drawing a total blank. We are remodeling the kitchen. Last thing
to
> decide is on a paint color that will go with the countertop, floor
tile
> and backsplash tile, etc.
> I heard someone say recently that a certain store or stores actually
> offers "free small samples" that you can paint on the wall, like will
do a
> 1 square foot for example, so you can see how it will actually look
before
> you purchase.
> They were a local person in the DSM area, and I can't recall where
they
> said THEY got the samples, or even who it was that told me!
>
> Any thoughts?
> To keep folks happy, might be best to reply off-list, that would be
cool
> Thanks.
>
> Bill
> Runnells, Iowa (just SE of Des Moines)
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Oct 12 00:20:38 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:20:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] test only
References: <BAY5-DAV864AD3A0F0212B4F93E0EBB790@phx.gbl><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510101319570.36905@vegeta.city-net.com><BAY5-DAV809256A48B110DA2D5EC9BB780@phx.gbl><6f6025160510110819s421bc39bm8fd98d5f9ed2992d@mail.gmail.com><004c01c5ce91$a770e260$4abe869d@ibm22761389857>
	<BAY5-DAV176D5F3FC63EF30EAF8925BB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008a01c5cefd$71d920b0$c677693a@morris>

test
5.20 pm


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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 03:26:19 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
In-Reply-To: <00af01c5d061$fa0f02a0$8ff1a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <20051014102619.46767.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yep it would. Xhead = double acting.
Ron

Skip Cleveland <OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
Isn't a cross head used on a steam engine or some of those tandem engines so 
that a combustion chamber or in the case of a steamer, a high pressure 
chamber on both ends of the piston stroke? I think it is.Would this make it 
a double acting engine? I believe it would.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] CrossHead


> Ed..Crossheads are usually in the Steam scenario..the piston rod has to 
> move STRAIGHT..the cross head and adjustable slides make sure it does. I 
> can take pix's if you like
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ED" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
>
>
>> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
>> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 
>> 10.
>> What is a cross head??
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>> New Fairfield, CT
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>>
>>
>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 14 04:00:58 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 7:00:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
Message-ID: <4enjrj$1hrt7g9@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
> Yep it would. Xhead = double acting.
> Ron
> 
The 100hp Buckeye featured in GEM several months ago uses a cross head. It's 2 cycle, the bottom of the cylinder charges the top.
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 14 04:14:51 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 7:14:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
Message-ID: <48u2fu$1d8j970@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>



> 
>   The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that I 
> don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."
> 
>  
On the 100hp Buckeye, there's s ball valve for starting, goes to a check valve and into the top of the cylinder. You have to bar the engine to just past top center, a stripe on the flywheel indicates this spot. You have to time the air blast by watching the stripe come up, easy to get the hang of it. I did some work on the fuel injection, there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke. The governor slides a wedge in and out between the valve and the rod. This allows injection to start at tdc every time, when compression is max, cutting off the fuel at the end to limit speed. When the governor is working right the engine runs clean. There's a manual lever that limits the injection, delays the start of injection. When speed is limited this way, lots of white smoke, incomplete combustion.
J.B. Castagnos 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 05:00:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:00:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <48u2fu$1d8j970@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV174C14BF137444657D60F2BB7D0@phx.gbl>

I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself 
fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?

Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.

"there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


>
>
> >
> >   The starting air valves are different, but it's just nice to know that 
> > I
> > don't have to rack my brain for the "bar over."
> >
> >
> On the 100hp Buckeye, there's s ball valve for starting, goes to a check 
> valve and into the top of the cylinder. You have to bar the engine to just 
> past top center, a stripe on the flywheel indicates this spot. You have to 
> time the air blast by watching the stripe come up, easy to get the hang of 
> it. I did some work on the fuel injection, there's a relief valve that 
> dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke. The governor slides a wedge in 
> and out between the valve and the rod. This allows injection to start at 
> tdc every time, when compression is max, cutting off the fuel at the end 
> to limit speed. When the governor is working right the engine runs clean. 
> There's a manual lever that limits the injection, delays the start of 
> injection. When speed is limited this way, lots of white smoke, incomplete 
> combustion.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 05:44:07 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:44:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV174C14BF137444657D60F2BB7D0@phx.gbl>
References: <48u2fu$1d8j970@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<BAY5-DAV174C14BF137444657D60F2BB7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510140544l597503cdj7abdb76de67566f7@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself
> fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?
>
> Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.
>
> "there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"
>
> Rick
>
>

Most air-start engines inhibit fuel while turning over on air, it is
either done automatically on the air-cam or by hand.

Once you get into seriously large engines, you cannot have fuel going
into the cylinder as we well as compressed starting air as the unburnt
fuel will accumulate in the exhaust.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 06:05:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:05:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical FAN SHAFT
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4ECF6CEBBC215A6D7BE33BB7D0@phx.gbl>

Chester and others,  here are a few pix's I took yesterday of the fan 
shaft...will try to add numbers today.  I might mention that where the shaft 
screws into the "T"..is NOT npt...looks more like a straight thread of some 
type.  The rest of the "T" is 1/8" npt, and the nipple and the Union half.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/476368716phaVjD  AND HIT NEXT 
FOR MORE

I post this to the list so it makes the archives.

Mine's still stuck and I ain't gonna wait no 15 yrs..ha, ha...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a 
> great
> help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
> how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> fabricating job,
> Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and
> > shot around 20 pix's
> >
> > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while 
> > to
> > digest them.
> >
> > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
> assy.
> > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but
> > it's a 4 1/2.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
> don't
> > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> >
> > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> >
> > "headed fer the shed"
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Oct 14 06:06:12 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 9:06:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
Message-ID: <4enjt4$1g1l1vc@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>


> I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself 
> fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?
> 
> Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.
> 
> "there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"
> 
> Rick
> 
I have a manual on the Buckeye, shows everything you need to know, I could send you a copy. Thr injrtor pump is a piston pump, one check on the intake side, three in series on the outlet if I remeber correctly. Above the piston is a relief valve, similar to a valve in a 4 cycle engine. As the piston is plunged in an attached shaft approaches the relief valve. Once the relief valve is opened injection quits. The governor slides a wedge in between the rod and valve, the deeper the wedge, the sooner the injection quits. The injector itself is a pop off type of valve, a small nozzle at the end. Bob Legnon reworked this part of it, we went with a smaller jet, .060" if IRC. The book listed difeerent nozzles for different loads and fuels, we went with the smallest since the engine would be running 
unloaded with diesel. I would think some of the modern injectors could be adapted, pressure would have to be lowered, these aren't high pressure systems. The first time this engine was taken to a show was on a Friday, I wasn't present. THe head is supposed to be heated with a blow torch type of heater. The engine wouldn't start, so the Feltermans brought in an oxy acetylene torch with a rose bud. When it started it ran away and wouldn't stop even when fuel was cut off. The next day they were scared to start it again, not knowing why it ran away. I think what happened was the head is designed with a bowl in it tthat the injector squirts in to. There's a manual lever to bleed and test the injector. While setting things up wuite a bit of fuel was pumped into the bowl, filling it. This made it hard to heat enough for starting, the rose bud got the fuel boiling, the engine continued to run on the boiling vapors. It's standard procedure to remove the injector and check the bowl fo!
 r fuel before first starting.
On the Fairbanks Y's, it was customary to keep a sledge hammer close by, if the engine started running away you could knock the inspection covers in, stopping cylinder charging, killing the engine.
J.B. Castagnos 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Oct  9 16:55:22 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:55:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
References: <100820050916.14250.43478E5D000A179C000037AA21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <004201c5cd2c$ed059bb0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

http://home.tiscali.be/verzameling/index.html

Try this one Curt, the language is Dutch. Look for the last picture 
no: 28.

John H.



> Hi John,
> Sorry but couln't open to pics, looks like something I can't read (not sure of 
> language).
> Curt




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 14 03:48:53 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:48:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152@no1>

Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Oct 14 07:50:14 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:50:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
Message-ID: <20051014.105746.548.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

Anyone know what the letters  N S     in a sheild on the side of a Yellow
Dog stand for ?
                                             C O 

Maybe NC Company ?

But - Who are they ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 09:13:54 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:13:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Overseas test.
Message-ID: <000b01c5d011$1f464ed0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

My time 18.15

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




From jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu  Fri Oct 14 10:35:48 2005
From: jgreen at whsun1.wh.whoi.edu (Jack Green)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:35:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>

Dave

It looks like a metal drum or barrel wrench with tabs at 
various spacings for different plugs/stoppers.  
Non sparking for opening barrels w/ flammables ie gasoline, alcohol, solvents...
Jack 

Message: 29
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:48:53 +0100
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: oldengine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Message-ID: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152 at no1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Oct 14 11:37:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:37:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>
References: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>
Message-ID: <1483.165.206.180.102.1129315047.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Is that what they call a bung wrench?

I think Dave may be onto something.

Bill
Runnells, IA

> Dave
>
> It looks like a metal drum or barrel wrench with tabs at
> various spacings for different plugs/stoppers.
> Non sparking for opening barrels w/ flammables ie gasoline, alcohol,
> solvents...
> Jack
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:48:53 +0100
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: oldengine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Message-ID: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152 at no1>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 14 12:52:26 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:52:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SEL] Overseas test.
In-Reply-To: <000b01c5d011$1f464ed0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <20051014195227.52445.qmail@web25505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

It's now 2252 in Saudi (gmt + 3)

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


--- John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl> wrote:

> My time 18.15
> 
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.


		
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Oct 14 14:28:50 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:28:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <1483.165.206.180.102.1129315047.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
References: <434FEC74.2070000@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu>
	<1483.165.206.180.102.1129315047.squirrel@antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <564fba5282765314cde7fe662171a417@chartertn.net>

> Is that what they call a bung wrench?

You could use it if your bung hole gets stopped up.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 14:55:30 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:55:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
References: <003301c5d0ac$df8a9200$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <004201c5d109$feeec960$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.

Mike Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?


> Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Oct 14 15:18:29 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:18:29 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>

Dear Dr. John,
If I saw you coming at me with that tool, the "unstopping" would be both 
involuntary and immediate.
Ron  


In a message dated 10/14/2005 6:10:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
> Is that what they call a bung wrench?

You could use it if your bung hole gets stopped up.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Oct 14 15:48:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:48:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
References: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <75e6c8dcbea83c0be979651ad4b0b370@chartertn.net>

See, it's effective. :-)

On Oct 14, 2005, at 6:18 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Dr. John,
> If I saw you coming at me with that tool, the "unstopping" would be 
> both
> involuntary and immediate.
> Ron


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Oct 14 17:42:44 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:42:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
In-Reply-To: <20051014.105746.548.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E1EQa8R-0004Mr-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	National Supply   - maybe?

Bob Willman 
The Eagle's Anvil	Bowling Green, Ohio	WB8NQW



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:50 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; jlb94 at juno.com
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog

Hi List,

Anyone know what the letters  N S     in a sheild on the side of a Yellow
Dog stand for ?
                                             C O 

Maybe NC Company ?

But - Who are they ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
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From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Fri Oct 14 18:35:14 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:35:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A few pulleys
Message-ID: <006f01c5d128$b0a49400$c4c67040@user>

If anyone is interested....
Guy down the road is cleaning the storage shed. Have some pictures here of
line shaft and other pulleys he will be getting rid of.
If anyone is interested, contact him at 517-486-2381.
Name is Don Reineck. He is not on the list.
If not, he will be putting them in a consignment auction near here.
Hope this link works as I have not done this before. Pictures are PA140004
to PA140008.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/riga_fire/album?.dir=454e&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/riga_fire/my_photos


Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com



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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 07:46:43 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:46:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie engine
References: <4enjt4$1g1l1vc@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV15088E443935A358B895B6BB7C0@phx.gbl>

Interesting stuff JB..a copy would be nice to clear up this foggy brain.

  Your runaway story reminds me many years ago when I was working on the 
Missile Site.  We had three 300 CID supercharged Cummins' driving 150 KW 
alternators.  Well the SOP was when a diesel ran away (leaking supercharger 
seals) the procedure was to remove the top of the air cleaner..called a 
precleaner I believe, and invert it on top of the air cleaner thusly 
shutting off the air.  We always kept that pre cleaner loose for that 
reason.  Well one day the boss thot he'd try that emergency proceedure out. 
I never laughed so hard in my life.  It collapsed the entire air cleaner, 
but it did shut down the engine.

  Wonder if that would werk on these ole girls??

Thanks JB
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Muncie engine


>
> > I was wondering what the lever was for...J.B.  Is the injector by itself
> > fairly commplicated and do you think one could be manufactured?
> >
> > Would you explain this statement a little more in depth.
> >
> > "there's a relief valve that dumps the fuel at the end of the stroke"
> >
> > Rick
> >
> I have a manual on the Buckeye, shows everything you need to know, I could 
> send you a copy. Thr injrtor pump is a piston pump, one check on the 
> intake side, three in series on the outlet if I remeber correctly. Above 
> the piston is a relief valve, similar to a valve in a 4 cycle engine. As 
> the piston is plunged in an attached shaft approaches the relief valve. 
> Once the relief valve is opened injection quits. The governor slides a 
> wedge in between the rod and valve, the deeper the wedge, the sooner the 
> injection quits. The injector itself is a pop off type of valve, a small 
> nozzle at the end. Bob Legnon reworked this part of it, we went with a 
> smaller jet, .060" if IRC. The book listed difeerent nozzles for different 
> loads and fuels, we went with the smallest since the engine would be 
> running
> unloaded with diesel. I would think some of the modern injectors could be 
> adapted, pressure would have to be lowered, these aren't high pressure 
> systems. The first time this engine was taken to a show was on a Friday, I 
> wasn't present. THe head is supposed to be heated with a blow torch type 
> of heater. The engine wouldn't start, so the Feltermans brought in an oxy 
> acetylene torch with a rose bud. When it started it ran away and wouldn't 
> stop even when fuel was cut off. The next day they were scared to start it 
> again, not knowing why it ran away. I think what happened was the head is 
> designed with a bowl in it tthat the injector squirts in to. There's a 
> manual lever to bleed and test the injector. While setting things up wuite 
> a bit of fuel was pumped into the bowl, filling it. This made it hard to 
> heat enough for starting, the rose bud got the fuel boiling, the engine 
> continued to run on the boiling vapors. It's standard procedure to remove 
> the injector and check the bowl fo!
>  r fuel before first starting.
> On the Fairbanks Y's, it was customary to keep a sledge hammer close by, 
> if the engine started running away you could knock the inspection covers 
> in, stopping cylinder charging, killing the engine.
> J.B. Castagnos
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> 


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 13 05:52:55 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:52:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Bulletin boards down
References: <200510130809390953.0C15078D@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c5cff5$092f2930$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bulletin boards down


> Due to a very concerted set of SPAM attacks that are bringing the ATIS
> server down to its knees, ATIS bulletin boards will be down until further
> notice.
> Sorry about that, but these attacks were, for all intents and purposes,
> locking the machine up.
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS

Thanks Spencer, all my late & missing posts have just arrived. 
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Oct 14 19:46:58 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:46:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
In-Reply-To: <20051014.105746.548.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E1EQc4f-0006Ou-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	The yellow dog is listed in the 1939 National Supply catalog
With    N S Co  on the side. It does not show a shield, but the
National Supply logo looks very much like today's interstate signs.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:50 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; jlb94 at juno.com
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog

Hi List,

Anyone know what the letters  N S     in a sheild on the side of a Yellow
Dog stand for ?
                                             C O 

Maybe NC Company ?

But - Who are they ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
_______________________________________________
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From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net  Fri Oct 14 17:08:52 2005
From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:08:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
References: <157.5b34e7b7.308188b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43504894.5080103@Ntelos.Net>

I know what the wrench was for .. At one point of time when i bought new 
vales at the plant i worked at the new vales came with a tool kit . So 
if you ever needed to take off the valve handle you would use the 
special wrench that came with the valve . The problem we had was when 
there was fifty years of saving the wrenches in a drawer which one 
worked ? . Nowadays  the valve nuts are standard .


                                                                                             
Mark L Shattuck



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 15 03:30:08 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:30:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <101520051030.25127.4350DA30000126240000622721979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

So Mike what is the purpose of the other slots and groves on the tool used 
for?????
Curt Andree


> It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.
> 
> Mike Royster
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
> Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> 
> 
> > Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> > I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> > See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> > Dave Croft
> > Warrington
> > England
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Oct 15 04:41:02 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:41:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] For a laugh
Message-ID: <002901c5d17d$52a13160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Not a list topic but maybe of amusement.  Enjoy

http://page.site.net.au/waronterror.wmv

Ron

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Oct 15 05:40:37 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:40:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
References: <101520051030.25127.4350DA30000126240000622721979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5d185$a55083e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

There are 3 different style 2 inch caps on the drums, and also 3 different
3/4" caps as well.  The different prongs and openings will get them all.
Actually called a "Universal Bung Wrench".

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What was this tool used for?


> So Mike what is the purpose of the other slots and groves on the tool used
> for?????
> Curt Andree
>
>
> > It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.
> >
> > Mike Royster
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> > To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> >
> >
> > > Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> > > I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> > > See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> > > Dave Croft
> > > Warrington
> > > England
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Oct 15 05:50:21 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:50:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Question
Message-ID: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam>


One for the Aussies

Can anyone help a friend of mine with the answer to this question please

What are the values of the green cap  capacitors used as condensers for EK magnetos ?
Who sells them in Australia.
  Thanks in advance. Cam

From gwaugh at wowway.com  Sat Oct 15 06:14:04 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:14:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <003001c5d185$a55083e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <101520051030.25127.4350DA30000126240000622721979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<003001c5d185$a55083e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4351009C.1040508@wowway.com>

This is an interesting thread, though---I have used these bung wrenches 
for 40 years or so, and have NEVER come close to using all of the 
different little do-hickeys on them!

Gene
Elgin, Illinois USA

Mike Royster wrote:

>There are 3 different style 2 inch caps on the drums, and also 3 different
>3/4" caps as well.  The different prongs and openings will get them all.
>Actually called a "Universal Bung Wrench".
>
>MR
>  
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Oct 15 06:53:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:53:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV183C88984566F1ED372ED0BB7C0@phx.gbl>

  Don't get no better than this gang.  Used the grease gun method but did 
not heed Rob and Kelley's warning:

 "You need to block off all holes in the cylinder where grease can escape. 
The valves should be in place, exhaust ports covered, and access holes 
covered." <vbg>

I was too focused on pouring the french fry grease into the funnel and only 
sensed something was wrong when all the stray dogs showed up :-))))...yea 
the exhaust valve was open.  Should have put the air hose to the spark plug 
hole first  .see:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/476985624PhFWAg

Plugged the exhaust hole and after a couple pumps..she moved.:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/476983859/476983859hBBJTS

and a little more:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/476983930/476983930bgPBeF

  I didn't go any farther as now I can reach up and feel the cylinder, and 
there is a lot of gunk on the cylinder wall, but now I can fold open the 
engine case and disconnect the rod and get 'er in the electrolysis tank. 
Install piston stop also.

  Not only is this hobby educational...it is also VERY SELF-ENTERTAINING :-)

later
RickinMt 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Oct 15 08:06:47 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
Message-ID: <20051015.110749.304.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Bob,

Yep - I'd say Nat'l Supply would probably be it.

The "Shield" does look like the interstate highway sign.

I'm sorta new to the Yellow Dog market.  I purchased one earlier through
ebay
and felt I got a good deal on a "no name".
Then I fell over this one at a local house auction.

I bought it from the guy that won the bid as I showed up late and didn't
see it.
He said he didn't know what it was ( but I doubt that ).


Thanks again.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Oct 15 07:57:30 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:57:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
Message-ID: <20051015.110749.304.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Good 4 U, Rick.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 09:04:51 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:04:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Question
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam>
References: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510150904m82c5418o2a24903726c6bf2@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/15/05, cam grundy <ponchie at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> One for the Aussies
>
> Can anyone help a friend of mine with the answer to this question please
>
> What are the values of the green cap  capacitors used as condensers for EK magnetos ?
> Who sells them in Australia.
>   Thanks in advance. Cam

0.1mfd  to  0.22mfd, polyester type with 400V working voltage should
get you there, but they'll work with a range of capacitances. The
higher the voltage the better, don't go below 250V if you can help it.

'X' rated suppression capacitors are very good but tend to be bulky
due to their higher performance rating. We've got boxes of those sort
here...

Any good component house should be able to flog you something
suitable, or go along to your local Amateur Radio club and scrounge
something.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From junque at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 15 10:10:57 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:10:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lister CD parts
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015100542.02c158d0@shawmail>

Greetings from a new member.
Am looking for a valve cover and oil pressure gauge for a Lister CD 
8hp diesel.  Photos of this type can be seen here: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dene/photos.htm
Also looking a Lister CS twin...Thank you!




From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 16:18:37 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:18:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
References: <410-2200510413222622218@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c5d04c$74584140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Ken, see this official factory chart, the VC type was not a sprayer
engine. And since Blain's engine had a serial # VC 5533 of 1912
it isn't a Titan. All engines designated by the name "Titan" since
May 1st 1914.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/pre&suffixgroot.htm

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
sixmjohn at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Blaine,
> 
> Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
> and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
> engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
> pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
> these were Titan engines.
> 
> John Hammink will probably have more to add.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 
>  
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
> >
> >
> > Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> > 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> > Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
> >
> >
> >   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> > Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
> block....1
> > 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia piston
> ,
> > brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> > adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the engine
> > from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if possable I
> > have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 
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From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 13 16:08:21 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:08:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] CrossHead
References: <000b01c5d03f$4e15dd60$6a01a8c0@u8c4h2>
	<007e01c5d045$f2673ca0$97bff504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <001001c5d04b$04f29ae0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

The slide block that connect the two rods.
It guide the piston rod and the crank rod in
one nice and quitely movement.

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> It has been raining here a lot and I am catching up on my reading. In the
> September issue of GEM, Russel talks about a crosshead, middle of page 10.
> What is a cross head??
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Oct 10 01:06:47 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:06:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Various answers/ and more
References: <000001c5cc02$7d3ba930$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <001b01c5cd71$93784b20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hey Chuck, sorry I can't tell you that don't know what
engine it's. It is a pitty his Web site doesn't work at the
moment, those guys have alot of rare and interesting
engines. Personally I think it's a French engine, because
most of their engines are French or Czech.

Regards,
                 John H.



> Hey John, nice engine in the foreground of the picture.  I also noticed
> one sitting up high in the background.  It looks like a Caille that I
> have.  Was curious if you know what make it is.  Could be maybe a
> Detroit or a Sandow as well.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Chuck




From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Oct 15 11:24:19 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:24:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
Message-ID: <410-2200510615182419125@coastalnet.com>

John,

That information is sure a lot different than what Wendel says in his book.
Bottom right page 117 of the "150 years of IHC", or else I am reading
it wrong.

Also wonder why the difference in the VC designation since the chart I 
have up is supposed to be from the factory records.  Perhaps we can 
find an original Myers setup with the 1HP engine.

One thing for sure.  It is confusing;-)

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: John H. <sixmjohn at quicknet.nl>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/15/2005 2:01:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] engine ident.
>
> Ken, see this official factory chart, the VC type was not a sprayer
> engine. And since Blain's engine had a serial # VC 5533 of 1912
> it isn't a Titan. All engines designated by the name "Titan" since
> May 1st 1914.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/pre&suffixgroot.htm
>
> Regards,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> sixmjohn at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> > Blaine,
> > 
> > Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
> > and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
> > engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
> > pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
> > these were Titan engines.
> > 
> > John Hammink will probably have more to add.
> > 
> > Take care.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> > > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> > > Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
> > >
> > >
> > > Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> > > 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> > > Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
> > >
> > >
> > >   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> > > Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
> > block....1
> > > 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia
piston
> > ,
> > > brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> > > adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the
engine
> > > from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if
possable I
> > > have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 12:26:45 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:26:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Recent web page additions/updates.
Message-ID: <6f6025160510151226s620e58d8x3fa07806e8941202@mail.gmail.com>

We have been a bit busy with work since we got back from Portland, but
have got a couple of extra sections added to the web pages:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Kohler/KohlerMenu1.htm

Most of the information we have on Kohler gennies up to 10kW, mainly
the flat-head engines but the little OHV is there and the K90 and
Briggs powered versions. There are about 160 pages or so, mainly
schematics, generator and brushgear layouts and engine information.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/PetrolStuff/MagFMType.htm

This is an addition to the Magneto pages that we put on a while back,
and has the full Fairbanks-Morse part number breakdown for all
magnetos and engine makers.

We will try and get the same sort of information on the other magneto
makers as soon as we have time to collate the information out of the
master service manuals.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 15 16:45:47 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-F154752EF2119900310AAECC4850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F368664979F28CB62CBE422957C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Pete, I hear Bill Hash might accompany you, any chance?  Are you going to 
stay with me or camp in the new truck?  See ya soon, Steve


>From: "Peter Stauffer" <oldengineman at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:29:04 -0400
>
>Steve,
>I am planning to go to Coolspring on the 13, 14, & 15'th.  Then comming to 
>Arden on the 20, 21, & 22'nd.  If Steve Barr is coming to Coolspring, I 
>should be able to make it happen.
>
>Pete Stauffer
>
>
>>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>>Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:41:52 -0400
>>
>>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 15 16:51:28 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:51:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007213901.06731e00@mail.herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F15CE9E8CB2968B1FFF97FF957C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Keith, The bike is a small one, a 350 cc HD Aermacchi. Steve Barr has it 
now and if you could haul it to your place I could come to Evansville and 
pick it up. Steve is in Iowa at an auction but should be home tomorrow . If 
you would , contact him and see if you can  connect while you are in  the 
area. I was hoping to get it to Coolspring but it didn't work so now I',m 
working on plan B. Thanks a lot, I hope you are able to work it out. Steve


>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:13 -0500
>
>I'll be coming through the Chicago area the weekend of October 28 and 
>depending on the size could probably pick it up and get it to Evansville if 
>that would help any.
>Keith
>
>
>
>At 07:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois about 100 
>>miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick it up and 
>>facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is anyone in this area 
>>planning on traveling to a show anywhere south of there that could haul it 
>>and I might meet and pick up the Bike? I don't have the show guide and 
>>don't know what shows are left this season that might move someone this 
>>way. If anyone is headed south from the Chicago area please contact me and 
>>see if we can arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever 
>>to offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping some 
>>of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 15th  ot the 
>>Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as this is old engine 
>>related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>
>>
>>
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Oct 15 20:13:19 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:13:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <8.72a76802.30831f4f@aol.com>

And if you find a patient where the non sparking tool isn't effective, try 
this:


eBay: VINTAGE WOODEN BARRELL BUNG HOLE DRILL (item 6216381866 end time 
Oct-19-05 18:00:00 PDT)

Ron

In a message dated 10/14/2005 7:07:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
See, it's effective. :-)

On Oct 14, 2005, at 6:18 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Dr. John,
> If I saw you coming at me with that tool, the "unstopping" would be 
> both
> involuntary and immediate.
> Ron


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Oct 15 21:31:58 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:31:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
In-Reply-To: <8.72a76802.30831f4f@aol.com>
References: <8.72a76802.30831f4f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a09d2aa2f99791c271ef9c7573494596@chartertn.net>

Every well equipped office should have one. :-)

John

On Oct 15, 2005, at 11:13 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:

> And if you find a patient where the non sparking tool isn't effective, 
> try
> this:
>
>
> eBay: VINTAGE WOODEN BARRELL BUNG HOLE DRILL (item 6216381866 end time
> Oct-19-05 18:00:00 PDT)


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Oct 15 23:12:20 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:12:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Question
References: <000d01c5d187$00ffee50$0301a8c0@Cam> 160794318
Message-ID: <00a401c5d218$91548290$0301a8c0@Cam>

Thanks a million for that info Peter, very helpful. Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Question


> On 10/15/05, cam grundy <ponchie at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> One for the Aussies
>>
>> Can anyone help a friend of mine with the answer to this question please
>>
>> What are the values of the green cap  capacitors used as condensers for 
>> EK magnetos ?
>> Who sells them in Australia.
>>   Thanks in advance. Cam
>
> 0.1mfd  to  0.22mfd, polyester type with 400V working voltage should
> get you there, but they'll work with a range of capacitances. The
> higher the voltage the better, don't go below 250V if you can help it.
>
> 'X' rated suppression capacitors are very good but tend to be bulky
> due to their higher performance rating. We've got boxes of those sort
> here...
>
> Any good component house should be able to flog you something
> suitable, or go along to your local Amateur Radio club and scrounge
> something.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Oct 15 13:13:11 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:13:11 +0200
Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
References: <410-2200510615182419125@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <001501c5d1c4$e1a1f510$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Ken,

I think you reading it wrong, Wendel is talking about Titan engines
while Blain's engine ( 1912 ) is a Famous. According my chart ( 1918 )
the VC isn't a sprayer engine, the VA, VB (air cooled ) and the VE, VD
( hopper cooled ) is.
At this link I put some 1 hp Titan sprayer outfits for you, from a 1916
IHC spraying catalog.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Titansprayers.jpg

There always will be secrets in our old iron hobby :o)

Regards,
                John H.



> John,
> 
> That information is sure a lot different than what Wendel says in his book.
> Bottom right page 117 of the "150 years of IHC", or else I am reading
> it wrong.
> 
> Also wonder why the difference in the VC designation since the chart I 
> have up is supposed to be from the factory records.  Perhaps we can 
> find an original Myers setup with the 1HP engine.
> 
> One thing for sure.  It is confusing;-)
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John H. <sixmjohn at quicknet.nl>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 10/15/2005 2:01:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] engine ident.
> >
> > Ken, see this official factory chart, the VC type was not a sprayer
> > engine. And since Blain's engine had a serial # VC 5533 of 1912
> > it isn't a Titan. All engines designated by the name "Titan" since
> > May 1st 1914.
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/pre&suffixgroot.htm
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > sixmjohn at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> > > Blaine,
> > > 
> > > Go to: http://www.oldiron-nut.com/ihc-numbers/ihc-5-a.jpg
> > > and you will find your engine listed as a 1 HP Famous Spray
> > > engine built in 1912.  These were coupled to a Myers spray
> > > pump.  According the Wendel's "150 Years of IHC Engines"
> > > these were Titan engines.
> > > 
> > > John Hammink will probably have more to add.
> > > 
> > > Take care.
> > > 
> > > Ken
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Blaine Haynes <bhaynes at prexar.com>
> > > > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Date: 10/13/2005 6:00:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [SEL] engine ident.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop
> > > > 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660
> > > > Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I have just found an engine  that we think may be a International
> > > > Harvester...no tag....but has the IH logo cast in the side of the
> > > block....1
> > > > 1/2  or 2 HP  serial no. VC5533    15 1/2  ' flywheel  3 1/2 " dia
> piston
> > > ,
> > > > brass connecting rod. Someone has replaced the igniter with spark plug
> > > > adapter plate and plug to run with a buzz coil. Could not I D the
> engine
> > > > from Wendells Yellow book Would like to identify what it is if
> possable I
> > > > have pictures to email if someone can post     Blaine
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 16 02:54:18 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:54:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
Message-ID: <101620050954.13810.4352234A000D8E1F000035F221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks again Mike for the even more in depth "bung wrench" education.  Will be 
picking this odd tool up from the flee market vender next week and then it 
gets shipped to the Wizzard of Oz.....
Curt Andree


> There are 3 different style 2 inch caps on the drums, and also 3 different
> 3/4" caps as well.  The different prongs and openings will get them all.
> Actually called a "Universal Bung Wrench".
> 
> MR
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> 
> 
> > So Mike what is the purpose of the other slots and groves on the tool used
> > for?????
> > Curt Andree
> >
> >
> > > It is indeed a bung wrench, I still sell them.
> > >
> > > Mike Royster
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> > > To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Cc: "oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:48 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] What was this tool used for?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Curt Andree is trying to find out details of this spanner.
> > > > I tried the Milwaukee library but they don't have any ideas.
> > > > See  http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/475859002MwTMwR
> > > > Dave Croft
> > > > Warrington
> > > > England
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 16 06:29:56 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:29:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
Message-ID: <78.7daab943.3083afd4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/2005 10:02:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< and only 
 sensed something was wrong when all the stray dogs showed up >>

Rick

Stray dogs and other critters too I am sure coming to that lovely smell!  

Are the tree trunks in the back ground all painted white?


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Oct 16 06:47:31 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Lister CD parts
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015100542.02c158d0@shawmail>
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051015100542.02c158d0@shawmail>
Message-ID: <435259F3.60202@comcast.net>

Robt wrote:

> Greetings from a new member.
> Am looking for a valve cover and oil pressure gauge for a Lister CD 
> 8hp diesel.  Photos of this type can be seen here: 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dene/photos.htm
> Also looking a Lister CS twin...Thank you!
>
>
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>
You can get "Listeroids" (Made-in-India clones) and much info at 
www.utterpower.com    .

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 07:40:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:40:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way piston is free
References: <78.7daab943.3083afd4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3695D2E77760250412419BB7F0@phx.gbl>




> 
> Are the tree trunks in the back ground all painted white?
> 


Hard water deposits from the sprinklers..butt ugly, eh?


Rick


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 10:04:16 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV147DFADBE495CC95DA4E05BB7F0@phx.gbl>

  Well, I got her folded open yesterday.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477953865ywKycs


Am I looking at a cylinder sleeve with casting around it?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477951446FUDMYo

  One small surprise...the intake manifold pipe to the valve chest is not 
threaded as I had Ass u med :-((  easy to make a new one tho.

  http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477955830zvoMAE

  Chester..I'll be coming up with the numbers for the fan shaft in the next 
few days.

  Life is good
RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 11:39:44 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:39:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] atis or SEL pinback for sale
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl>

  I thot I saw a pinback somewhere,,but it's not listed.

 Help :-))

RickinMt. 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 16 12:33:56 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-2200510016193356218@earthlink.net>


Rick

Now, before you do anymore of that ass-u-me stuff you might want to know
that when you go to put that big old pipe wrench on the intake valve cage
your going to want to do some soaking first.  The valve cage is threaded up
on top, you can see that but what you don't see is that it is also threaded
down at the bottom and if the top comes loose and the bottom doesn't then
you can guess what will happen.

Tim Christoff



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 15:16:42 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:16:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-2200510016193356218@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2E0D8C15A9F21757B7832BB7F0@phx.gbl>

Ok..great Tim...after I pull the rod cap the whole top end is going into the 
electrolysis bath for awhile.

I ordered a book today..so that might help in me not becoming an a$$.

My next question is how to I get at the cam gear..but won't ask that now. 
:-))..unless one is in a typing mood.

Thanks much
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update


>
> Rick
>
> Now, before you do anymore of that ass-u-me stuff you might want to know
> that when you go to put that big old pipe wrench on the intake valve cage
> your going to want to do some soaking first.  The valve cage is threaded 
> up
> on top, you can see that but what you don't see is that it is also 
> threaded
> down at the bottom and if the top comes loose and the bottom doesn't then
> you can guess what will happen.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 16:28:02 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:28:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>

  Arnie...does any of this sound familiar?

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dardata/boss/afs/permits/prr_261050030100010_r1.pdf

  Somehow lost your email address.

RickinMt. 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Oct 16 17:07:14 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:07:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2aec80a028c1534a17e2994344092c5a@chartertn.net>

Nuke plant? That document's talking about Diesel generators providing  
electric power for a shopping mall named King's Plaza.

John

On Oct 16, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Richard Strobel wrote:

>   Arnie...does any of this sound familiar?
>
> http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dardata/boss/afs/permits/ 
> prr_261050030100010_r1.pdf


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 17:51:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:51:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant
References: <BAY5-DAV110EA547E47DE64686FB32BB7F0@phx.gbl>
	<2aec80a028c1534a17e2994344092c5a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV18F351960EBDE59CBC154BBB7E0@phx.gbl>

ooppssss

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nordberg engines at nuke plant


> Nuke plant? That document's talking about Diesel generators providing  
> electric power for a shopping mall named King's Plaza.
> 
> John
> 
> On Oct 16, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Richard Strobel wrote:
> 
> >   Arnie...does any of this sound familiar?
> >
> > http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dardata/boss/afs/permits/ 
> > prr_261050030100010_r1.pdf
> 
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Oct 16 18:45:52 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:45:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
Message-ID: <190.4a94e871.30845c50@aol.com>

Hi List,
After fabricating a new fuel tank and reworking the cam gear by  welding up 
two broken teeth, the Hercules fired up.
The original fuel tank had been fiberglass by the previous  owner.  However, 
this repair work didn't prevent the tank from  leaking.  A local sheet metal 
shop built a new one using the old tank  as pattern.  I soldered the seams and 
end caps.  The original fuel  inlet and outlet flanges were installed riveted 
and soldered on the new  tank.  I should have installed a vent J tube on the 
top of tank as I  discovered while pouring gas into the tank.  There wasn't any 
on the  original tank.  A new fuel filling assembly was fabricated from a 
reducing  1" to 3/8"  ell and 1" pipe plug.   The pipe plug was drilled to  
provide a vent.  The original fuel outlet assembly including the unique  check 
valve was used.
To repair the broken teeth on the cam gear, a tooth profile  template was 
made using a section of non-broken gear teeth.  The two broken  tooth areas were 
cleaned and built up using nickel iron welding rod.  To  protect the adjacent 
tooth surfaces, pieces of stainless steel plate were used  on both sides of 
welding build up areas.  Using the tooth profile template,  each new tooth was 
grounded and filed to shape.  This repaired cam gear was  checked by rotating 
it about the crankshaft gear.  The cam gear was then  timed and reinstalled.  
Prior to removing the cam gear, I made timing  marks on the mating teeth.
An electric motor was used to spin the engine.  It started  after a few 
revolutions.  Then it stopped.  The electric motor was  again belted up to the 
flywheel.  The belt began to slip.  As I was  trying to tension the belt, my hand 
slipped and I got my hand between the  crankshaft guard and connecting rod.  
Yes, I did a foolish thing and I  ended getting ten (10) stitches on my right 
hand index finger at the emergency  room.
It will be about two weeks before I get back to my projects.   Hopefully, I 
will be more careful where I put my hands.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 16 20:10:49 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:10:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-220051011731049872@earthlink.net>

Simple, remove the pin that holds the lock out arm in place and then
unscrew the bracket that held the lock out arm.  It is a right hand thread.
Once unscrewed, the cover will come off and there's your gear.

Tim



> Ok..great Tim...after I pull the rod cap the whole top end is going into
the 
> electrolysis bath for awhile.
>
> I ordered a book today..so that might help in me not becoming an a$$.
>
> My next question is how to I get at the cam gear..but won't ask that now. 
> :-))..unless one is in a typing mood.
>
> Thanks much
> Rick






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 19:17:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:17:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
References: <190.4a94e871.30845c50@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV31B857259EE1732257331BB7E0@phx.gbl>

OUCH Francis...I can almost resemble that remark.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status


> Hi List,
> After fabricating a new fuel tank and reworking the cam gear by  welding 
> up
> two broken teeth, the Hercules fired up.
> The original fuel tank had been fiberglass by the previous  owner. 
> However,
> this repair work didn't prevent the tank from  leaking.  A local sheet 
> metal
> shop built a new one using the old tank  as pattern.  I soldered the seams 
> and
> end caps.  The original fuel  inlet and outlet flanges were installed 
> riveted
> and soldered on the new  tank.  I should have installed a vent J tube on 
> the
> top of tank as I  discovered while pouring gas into the tank.  There 
> wasn't any
> on the  original tank.  A new fuel filling assembly was fabricated from a
> reducing  1" to 3/8"  ell and 1" pipe plug.   The pipe plug was drilled to
> provide a vent.  The original fuel outlet assembly including the unique 
> check
> valve was used.
> To repair the broken teeth on the cam gear, a tooth profile  template was
> made using a section of non-broken gear teeth.  The two broken  tooth 
> areas were
> cleaned and built up using nickel iron welding rod.  To  protect the 
> adjacent
> tooth surfaces, pieces of stainless steel plate were used  on both sides 
> of
> welding build up areas.  Using the tooth profile template,  each new tooth 
> was
> grounded and filed to shape.  This repaired cam gear was  checked by 
> rotating
> it about the crankshaft gear.  The cam gear was then  timed and 
> reinstalled.
> Prior to removing the cam gear, I made timing  marks on the mating teeth.
> An electric motor was used to spin the engine.  It started  after a few
> revolutions.  Then it stopped.  The electric motor was  again belted up to 
> the
> flywheel.  The belt began to slip.  As I was  trying to tension the belt, 
> my hand
> slipped and I got my hand between the  crankshaft guard and connecting 
> rod.
> Yes, I did a foolish thing and I  ended getting ten (10) stitches on my 
> right
> hand index finger at the emergency  room.
> It will be about two weeks before I get back to my projects.   Hopefully, 
> I
> will be more careful where I put my hands.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Oct 16 21:58:41 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:58:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <BAY5-DAV147DFADBE495CC95DA4E05BB7F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <019001c5d2d7$736a8710$210110ac@service>

Hi Rick, you are making good progress on the new way,
the picture of fan shaft are excellent & will be a great help to me, cheers
for now,
Chester from West Aussie.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:04 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Way update


>   Well, I got her folded open yesterday.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477953865ywKycs
>
>
> Am I looking at a cylinder sleeve with casting around it?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477951446FUDMYo
>
>   One small surprise...the intake manifold pipe to the valve chest is not
> threaded as I had Ass u med :-((  easy to make a new one tho.
>
>   http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/477955830zvoMAE
>
>   Chester..I'll be coming up with the numbers for the fan shaft in the
next
> few days.
>
>   Life is good
> RickinMt.
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 17 00:12:42 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:12:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-220051011731049872@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV166BDD86CAA8A6D865C1FFBB7E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Tim..that confirms what I had ass-u-med <vbg>

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way update


> Simple, remove the pin that holds the lock out arm in place and then
> unscrew the bracket that held the lock out arm.  It is a right hand 
> thread.
> Once unscrewed, the cover will come off and there's your gear.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> > Ok..great Tim...after I pull the rod cap the whole top end is going into
> the
> > electrolysis bath for awhile.
> >
> > I ordered a book today..so that might help in me not becoming an a$$.
> >
> > My next question is how to I get at the cam gear..but won't ask that 
> > now.
> > :-))..unless one is in a typing mood.
> >
> > Thanks much
> > Rick
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Oct 17 03:51:32 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:51:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Pics
Message-ID: <20051017105127.QNCJ23411.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Some pics from the display at Cambelltown Steam Museum yesterday:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct051.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Oct 17 03:52:55 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:52:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Model JB Engine Information Wanted
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7B0CF40A2D199BB97267FBD7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051017105250.QOCW23411.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I will see what other info they may have. I have some pics of a JB engine
somewhere, I will see what I can find.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----
Patrick,
Do the boys have any other information?





From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Mon Oct 17 05:13:56 2005
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:13:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Steam Museum Pics
In-Reply-To: <20051017105127.QNCJ23411.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <4eo15g$decq95@mail-iinet.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

Very good thanks Patrick 
We would have liked to have been there maybe next time 

Alan



Some pics from the display at Cambelltown Steam Museum yesterday:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Camoct051.html


Patrick 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Oct 17 09:22:06 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:22:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
In-Reply-To: <190.4a94e871.30845c50@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01aa01c5d336$ec1faa00$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Yes, I did a foolish thing 

Hi Francis,
Sorry to hear about your misfortune.  Glad that you'll heal up.  If you're
feeling down about it, perhaps you'll be cheered up by the immortal words of the
world's greatest engineman, Captain Lance Murdoch.  "Bones heal.  Chicks dig
scars.  And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-engineman ratio
in the world!"

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 09:40:09 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:40:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
Message-ID: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:38:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:

And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-engineman ratio
in  the world


Thank goodness!
 
Francis


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 17 12:08:07 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:08:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status


> In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:38:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:
> And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-engineman ratio
> in  the world
> Thank goodness!
> Francis

But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct 17 12:43:51 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:43:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status OT
In-Reply-To: <001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
	<001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <4353FEF7.101@imc-group.com>

Dave Croft wrote:

>
>
>But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
>Dave Croft
>  
>
Dave,
If you are inclined to switch this over to slick I'll be happy to engage 
in a lengthy discussion about why your medical system is anything but 
free! You are being hosed with some of the worst tax rates in the world 
and the "benefits" you receive are hardly worth the expenses to you!
See ya on slick.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From mtucker at uky.edu  Mon Oct 17 12:42:36 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:42:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
In-Reply-To: <001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
	<001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <p06210201bf79af02911d@[128.163.81.76]>

>But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)

Free???? What's the tax rate in England?

Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Oct 17 13:31:59 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:31:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F278E2AD38333F9D6B07F8957C0@phx.gbl>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007213901.06731e00@mail.herculesengines.com>
	<BAY108-F278E2AD38333F9D6B07F8957C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051017152821.06058f30@mail.herculesengines.com>

Steve
Since you first posted our plans have changed.  We are going to 
Wisconsin camping and visiting our daughter at college.  She is 
planning on sending a bunch of stuff home with us and we will not 
have space for a motorcycle.  I'm sorry.  But, I'm sure we will be 
making another trip sometime in Feb or March and may be able to 
accommodate it then.
Keith





At 06:52 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Keith, The bike is a small one, a 350 cc HD Aermacchi. Steve Barr 
>has it now and if you could haul it to your place I could come to 
>Evansville and pick it up. Steve is in Iowa at an auction but should 
>be home tomorrow . If you would , contact him and see if you 
>can  connect while you are in  the area. I was hoping to get it to 
>Coolspring but it didn't work so now I',m working on plan B. Thanks 
>a lot, I hope you are able to work it out. Steve
>
>
>>From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: RE: [SEL] help moving old iron(sort of)
>>Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:13 -0500
>>
>>I'll be coming through the Chicago area the weekend of October 28 
>>and depending on the size could probably pick it up and get it to 
>>Evansville if that would help any.
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>At 07:41 PM 10/5/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>>Hi gang, I have purchased an old single cyl cycle in Illinois 
>>>about 100 miles west of Chicago. Steve Barr is trying to help pick 
>>>it up and facilitate heading it to N.C.. My question is:  Is 
>>>anyone in this area planning on traveling to a show anywhere south 
>>>of there that could haul it and I might meet and pick up the Bike? 
>>>I don't have the show guide and don't know what shows are left 
>>>this season that might move someone this way. If anyone is headed 
>>>south from the Chicago area please contact me and see if we can 
>>>arrainge this move. I'm willing to pay expenses or whatever to 
>>>offset costs. Thanks in advance for considering this. I'm hoping 
>>>some of you might be coming down to Cotton Ginning days on the 
>>>15th  ot the Arden  show on the 22nd.         No flames please as 
>>>this is old engine related!!!!   Thanks, Steve Royster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Oct 17 13:43:52 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
In-Reply-To: <p06210201bf79af02911d@[128.163.81.76]>
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com>
	<001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
	<p06210201bf79af02911d@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <2776.165.206.180.102.1129581832.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

NO such thing as free - someone is paying for it.
However, as far as quality, based on my visits and those of my inlaws,
etc, yours HAS to be better. Our ER people are butchers - WHEN they
finally get to you that is. ER Doctor? I believe there really is no such
thing - I've never seen one.

I've got the scars and butchered up hand to prove it. And ask about
Barbara's sister.......

Bill

>>But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
>
> Free???? What's the tax rate in England?
>
> Mike
> --
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Oct 17 05:01:14 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:01:14 +1000
Subject: [SEL] another test
References: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005501c5d312$78e9fdc0$c677693a@morris>

10.00pm   17/10/05


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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 15:09:39 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:09:39 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status
Message-ID: <f4.5b9dab6d.30857b23@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/17/2005 2:06:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

However,  as far as quality, based on my visits and those of my inlaws,
etc, yours  HAS to be better. Our ER people are butchers - WHEN they
finally get to you  that is. ER Doctor? I believe there really is no such
thing - I've never  seen one.



Bill,
Sorry to hear about your sad experience with your ER.  We must  have ER 
people who are dedicated to their jobs.
My experience with our local ER has been extra ordinary.   I was in and out 
this last time in about 2 hours.  The doctor explained  what he was going to do 
before preceding.  He kept me informed as he  checked me over and stitched me 
up.  He also instructed me on what I should  do if it happens again (he might 
have been trying to give a message).   However, I had to wait for the billing 
clerk to get my bill longer than it took  the ER personnel to finish with me.
 About three years ago when I ran a small grinder across my  fore finger, I 
had very good service from the ER personnel.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 17 15:47:51 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:47:51 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status OT
References: <1e8.45c0b80f.30852de9@aol.com><001201c5d34e$1cfd0160$fa4c1152@no1>
	<4353FEF7.101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5d36c$cf359090$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hercules Economy Status OT


> Dave Croft wrote:
> >But England has a better FREE doctor-to-engine man Ratio. 8^)
> >Dave Croft
> Dave,
> If you are inclined to switch this over to slick I'll be happy to engage 
> in a lengthy discussion about why your medical system is anything but 
> free! You are being hosed with some of the worst tax rates in the world 
> and the "benefits" you receive are hardly worth the expenses to you!
> See ya on slick.
> Curt Holland

Sorry Curt, I have tried it for about a year but found better uses for my time.
Dave Croft




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 17 15:48:45 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:48:45 +1000
Subject: [SEL] another test
References: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl> 164545446
Message-ID: <00e801c5d36c$eebbf030$0301a8c0@Cam>

Kerry, I got it at 7: 30am.          Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] another test


> 10.00pm   17/10/05
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 15:48:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:48:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] another test
Message-ID: <144.4fe48c6a.30858452@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/17/2005 3:47:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes:

10.00pm   17/10/05


Arrived here at 15:45 PDT,  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 17 17:56:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:56:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FJ Manual
Message-ID: <43544841.3030808@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

I just posted a Fuller and Johnson Pump Engine manual, courtesy of Dave 
Olson. Seems he has several to share and I'll be adding them as I get 
them. He did all the work as it came to me as a PDF. Can't beat that.

I am working over my site a bit, but here is the direct link for the 
manual.

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Manuals/FJ%20Pump%20Engine.pdf
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Manuals/FJ Pump Engine.pdf

Hope one of those works. Mozilla likes to screw up URL's with the %20 
crap in the link.

Time for a break.

Jeff Allen



From nick at holden1.net  Tue Oct 18 09:38:19 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:38:19 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: [SEL] another test
References: <00e801c5d36c$eebbf030$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <435524FB.000001.07052@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Kerry i got it at 22.33
cyl
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: cam grundy
Date: 10/18/05 00:04:15
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] another test
 
Kerry, I got it at 7: 30am.          Cheers Cam.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] another test
 
 
> 10.00pm   17/10/05
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Oct 18 10:50:18 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] another test
In-Reply-To: <005501c5d312$78e9fdc0$c677693a@morris>
References: <BAY5-DAV17503F04406A5FCDBCF37BBB7F0@phx.gbl>
	<005501c5d312$78e9fdc0$c677693a@morris>
Message-ID: <4626.165.206.180.102.1129657818.squirrel@antique-engines.com>

Didn't get it - can you resend?



> 10.00pm   17/10/05
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: 16/10/2005
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 18 19:29:39 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:29:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl>
	<018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV818F7AC11B9D018E27B2EBB700@phx.gbl>

Chester..here's the best I can do with what I got..this is just the 
shaft..other components will be measured ASAP

Any questions, just holler,

And of course all measurements are in inches and/or decimals there of

Might be handy also if once downloaded you clicked on the bigger picture.

Hope this helps and good luck

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/480760660hhdskP

RickinMt.






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a 
> great
> help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots of
> how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> fabricating job,
> Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out and
> > shot around 20 pix's
> >
> > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while 
> > to
> > digest them.
> >
> > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
> assy.
> > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp but
> > it's a 4 1/2.
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
> don't
> > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> >
> > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> >
> > "headed fer the shed"
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Oct 18 23:32:40 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:32:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl><018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service>
	<BAY5-DAV818F7AC11B9D018E27B2EBB700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005301c5d476$ebf971f0$210110ac@service>

Rick, excellent, appreciate the effort, this will make my job so much
easier, cheers for now,
Chester from West Aussie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Chester..here's the best I can do with what I got..this is just the
> shaft..other components will be measured ASAP
>
> Any questions, just holler,
>
> And of course all measurements are in inches and/or decimals there of
>
> Might be handy also if once downloaded you clicked on the bigger picture.
>
> Hope this helps and good luck
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/480760660hhdskP
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> > Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a
> > great
> > help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots
of
> > how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> > fabricating job,
> > Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
> >
> >
> > >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out
and
> > > shot around 20 pix's
> > >
> > > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a while
> > > to
> > > digest them.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the fan
> > assy.
> > > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp
but
> > > it's a 4 1/2.
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > >
> > > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and I
> > don't
> > > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> > >
> > > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> > >
> > > "headed fer the shed"
> > > RickinMt.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 21:00:10 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:00:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] GEM index?  Taylor ever covered?
Message-ID: <000501c5d52a$c467b200$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

Is there a comprehensive index to past years' issues of Gas Engine Magazine?
I'm wondering if/when they published any stories on Taylor Vacuum Engines.

Thanks a lot,
Rick I.
Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine web site:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Oct 20 06:16:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] GEM index?  Taylor ever covered?
In-Reply-To: <000501c5d52a$c467b200$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
References: <000501c5d52a$c467b200$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510200907420.98294@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rick,

Yep, contact...
R.D.HEIDL  2816 S.CAMPBELL ST. SANDUSKY,OHIO 44870

He's put the entire GEM index onto CD as an Excel spreadsheet that is
easily searched.  I think he charges something like $5 for the CD.

There are 13 references to Taylor Vacuum Engines; earliest in Vol. 7 and
latest in Vol. 35.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Rick I. wrote:

> Is there a comprehensive index to past years' issues of Gas Engine Magazine?
> I'm wondering if/when they published any stories on Taylor Vacuum Engines.



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Oct 20 22:38:50 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:38:50
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <200510201600.j9KG04SW012350@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi List,
	I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
Rick).

	I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.

	Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!

	Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
posts there are "tests". 

	What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for winter ?

	I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill Young
and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting subject.
All very overdue but have had problems of my own.

	O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
Look Here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>

	This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
Keep the revs down,
Jerry in South Africa



	

	
---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Oct 20 14:47:43 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:47:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <103.6c611c02.30896a7f@aol.com>

Hi Jerry,
That's a nice looking engine name plate.  Do you have the engine?
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA


From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Oct 20 15:35:41 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:35:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <200510201600.j9KG04SW012350@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051020153316.025d3ee0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Jerry,

That Kubota plate looks great.  That "hammered" background texture looks 
like it could be a real challenge.

Regards,

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Oct 20 15:35:21 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:35:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000501c5d5c6$918bdb30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Jerry,
Good lookng engine tag you made there.
Here  a picture of an original Japanese
engine tag.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Satos.jpg

I have the same troubles with the SEL post, just two
in three days. Maybe the sun is shining soon :o)

Regards.
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web




> Hi List,
> I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
> are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
> Rick).
> 
> O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
> been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
> Look Here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
> 
> This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
> Keep the revs down,
> Jerry in South Africa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 20 17:56:37 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43583CC5.7080306@earthlink.net>

Nice looking work Jerry,

I've been getting ready for winter here. Cleaned the garage so I can 
park in it, and work in it. Such a mess I didn't get anything done this 
summer. Got a bunch of stuff in the storage buildings. All of the 
building are of the blue tarp variety. Least it keeps em dry. Also 
trying to get my new (to me) lathe set up so I can test drive it. Shows 
are over around here so I have no pics to share. Might try reading the 
spam. Some if it ain't too bad. :-)

Jeff Allen

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hi List,
>	I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
>are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
>Rick).
>
>	I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
>racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.
>
>	Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!
>
>	Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
>posts there are "tests". 
>
>	What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for winter ?
>
>	I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill Young
>and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting subject.
>All very overdue but have had problems of my own.
>
>	O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
>been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
>Look Here:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
>
>	This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
>Keep the revs down,
>Jerry in South Africa
>
>
>
>	
>
>	
>---
>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>
>
>  
>



From gwaugh at wowway.com  Thu Oct 20 18:24:04 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:24:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <43584334.6040401@wowway.com>

Well, Jerry, I bet we can all guess pretty well how to spell Model, 
Serial No., H. P., and RPM in Japanese now, eh?

Really neat job you are doing there!

Gene \Elgin, illinois USA

Jerry Evans wrote:

>Hi List,
>	I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
>are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
>Rick).
>
>	
>  
>



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 20 18:15:01 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:15:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>

It finally stoped raining in the North East so I have been out cutting up
logs, hauling home, splitting  and stacking fire wood.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> Hi List,
> I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
> are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie and
> Rick).
>
> I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
> racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.
>
> Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!
>
> Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
> posts there are "tests".
>
> What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for
winter ?
>
> I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill Young
> and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting subject.
> All very overdue but have had problems of my own.
>
> O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would have
> been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
> Look Here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
>
> This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've tried.
> Keep the revs down,
> Jerry in South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 20 20:49:58 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:49:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
References: <BAY103-F32EC12D424A53A045B6908C8780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV128E88AF1FAD987D3AB0F2BB780@phx.gbl><BAY5-DAV62C9B6FF3A2A164C52260BB780@phx.gbl><018f01c5cee4$21df8810$210110ac@service><BAY5-DAV818F7AC11B9D018E27B2EBB700@phx.gbl>
	<005301c5d476$ebf971f0$210110ac@service>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV68056092DF7D42BC845B7BB720@phx.gbl>

Chester..on this page are the last pix's with dimensions of the shaft 
assembly.

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom/4

email if any questions..do you need the fan now?

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C


> Rick, excellent, appreciate the effort, this will make my job so much
> easier, cheers for now,
> Chester from West Aussie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
>
>
> > Chester..here's the best I can do with what I got..this is just the
> > shaft..other components will be measured ASAP
> >
> > Any questions, just holler,
> >
> > And of course all measurements are in inches and/or decimals there of
> >
> > Might be handy also if once downloaded you clicked on the bigger 
> > picture.
> >
> > Hope this helps and good luck
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/480760660hhdskP
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "SERVICE" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
> >
> >
> > > Hi Rick, great shots, as mine is missing the fan assembly it will be a
> > > great
> > > help to me, if you can when you remove the fan can you take some shots
> of
> > > how the drive pulley and pipe etc all goes together as that is my next
> > > fabricating job,
> > > Cheers Chester from West Aussie.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Vertical 4 1/2 hp Model E, Type C
> > >
> > >
> > > >    Ok Missy, Curt and gang (women come first in Mt. :-))  I went out
> and
> > > > shot around 20 pix's
> > > >
> > > > If they don't show up wait and hour or so as it takes Webshots a 
> > > > while
> > > > to
> > > > digest them.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.  I'll try to get a diameter/circumference of the 
> > > > fan
> > > assy.
> > > > The outer ring does turn with the blades.  The album title says 4 hp
> but
> > > > it's a 4 1/2.
> > > >
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of Webshots..I've never received any bill or statement and 
> > > > I
> > > don't
> > > > like suprises..are you subscribers getting any?
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if a certain area needs a better pix.
> > > >
> > > > "headed fer the shed"
> > > > RickinMt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Fri Oct 21 07:35:58 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

That's the question I asked last week when I attended the Cool Springs, PA
Swap Meet.
None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area were
not
there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).

Charlie Bryant
(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> It finally stoped raining in the North East so I have been out cutting up
> logs, hauling home, splitting  and stacking fire wood.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 PM
> Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
>
>
> > Hi List,
> > I'm having serious withdrawal symptoms. Log on and see 55 messages - 54
> > are spam and 1 is SEL digest and that only has 2 posts. (Thanks Arnie
and
> > Rick).
> >
> > I wish I had something interesting to write about but have not. Been
> > racking my brains for the last few days but just draw blanks.
> >
> > Surely not everyone is in the same boat !!
> >
> > Even the other list I belong to is quiet - (oldengine.org list) - only
> > posts there are "tests".
> >
> > What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for
> winter ?
> >
> > I'm busy making engine spec plates for Reg, Brock Summerfield, Bill
Young
> > and George Best - should I post a pic of this very uninteresting
subject.
> > All very overdue but have had problems of my own.
> >
> > O.K. I just went and took a pic of one of the plates - Kubota - would
have
> > been easier if I could read Japanese. It still needs a bit of work.
> > Look Here:
> > <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/kubota.jpg>
> >
> > This is the best post I can offer at the moment - but at least I've
tried.
> > Keep the revs down,
> > Jerry in South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> >
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> >
>
>
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>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Oct 21 07:28:09 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:28:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>
	<000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>

Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
Curt Holland


Charles R Bryant wrote:

>None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area were
>not
>there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>
>Charlie Bryant
>(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>
>
>  
>



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Oct 21 07:31:15 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:31:15 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	111931597
Message-ID: <013f01c5d64c$1af4da40$0301a8c0@Cam>

Pretty quiet Mate. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> Curt Holland
>
>
> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>
>>None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area were
>>not
>>there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>>
>>Charlie Bryant
>>(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Fri Oct 21 08:14:52 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:14:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>111931597
	<013f01c5d64c$1af4da40$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <005501c5d652$31006920$0e84dccb@oemcomputer>

Can't you sleep either.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:31
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?


> Pretty quiet Mate. Cam
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
>
>
> > Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> > Curt Holland
> >
> >
> > Charles R Bryant wrote:
> >
> >>None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area
were
> >>not
> >>there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
> >>
> >>Charlie Bryant
> >>(from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Oct 21 10:10:08 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:10:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <005501c5d652$31006920$0e84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>111931597	<013f01c5d64c$1af4da40$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<005501c5d652$31006920$0e84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <435920F0.3010003@imc-group.com>

All those sheep in Oz and you guys can't catch a wink  :-)
Curt Holland
P.S. You're supposed to count them not....oh never mind....

edd payne wrote:

>Can't you sleep either.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>  
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Oct 21 10:20:57 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:20:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9>	<000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>

Charlie,
Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.JPG
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Curt wrote:

> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> Curt Holland
>
>
> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>
>> None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area 
>> were
>> not
>> there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>>
>> Charlie Bryant
>> (from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Oct 21 10:25:59 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:25:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <20051021.133627.896.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Charlie,

Sorry to see no one from the list was at Coolspring.

But then - I only attend the Summer show.

Guess I didn't miss much.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        
As for "Where is everyone ?"
I guess it's been a little slow on the list but there are a few projects
going on.
Rick Strobel has a 4.5 HP New Way on the bench and is putting out some
nice pics.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
\/)"(\/             confuse them."
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:32:49 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:32:49
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Where is everyone ? Eng. plate 
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510212137328.SM01656@new>

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:35:41 -0700
From: Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?

Jerry,

That Kubota plate looks great.  That "hammered" background texture looks 
like it could be a real challenge.
Regards,
Larry Evans

Hi Larry, 
	Obviously you recognise the plate as being for Bill. Thanks for pasing it on.
The hammered background is actually a "mistake" but looks very good. It
happens when the etching solution starts getting a bit old and has stood a
while since being last used. I cannot control it but am starting to keep my
"old" solution in case I need to get the effect again.
Regards
Jerry (the "other" Evans)
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:33:02 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:33:02
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL - Where is everyone ?Engine plate 
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510212137796.SM00456@new>

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:35:21 +0200
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?

Hi Jerry,
Good lookng engine tag you made there.
Here  a picture of an original Japanese
engine tag.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Satos.jpg

I have the same troubles with the SEL post, just two
in three days. Maybe the sun is shining soon :o)

Regards.
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web

Hi John
	Thanks for the pic - is that the engine I saw on your site recently that
warms up with charcoal? Nice plate.
Regards
Jerry

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:31:55 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:31:55
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL - Where is everyone ? 
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051021213155.009b77f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:47:43 EDT
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Message-ID: <103.6c611c02.30896a7f at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi Jerry,
That's a nice looking engine name plate.  Do you have the engine?
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA

No Ron, It is for Bill Young in Japan - Larry Evans passed my name on to
him and he has ordered a number of plates from me for Kubota engines.
Jerry
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Oct 21 21:33:34 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:33:34
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Where is everyone ?Spam
In-Reply-To: <200510211600.j9LG0328009821@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510212137328.SM01656@new>

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0600
From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?

Nice looking work Jerry,

 Might try reading the spam. Some if it ain't too bad. :-)
Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff,
	Problem with the spam is its all the same thing. If I replied to it I
could probably enlarge a certain part of my anatomy to gigantic
proportions, produce gallons of ........ all night long and keep various
shady ladies very happy for hours on end. :-)
	Then of course there are the Nigerian 419 scams - you could have a bit of
fun with them if you keep your wits about yourself.
	Personally I prefer to read the SEL.
Regards
Jerry

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 21 14:17:27 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:17:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <157.5bb99f17.308ab4e7@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/20/2005 5:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<< What's happening - are all you guys in the States battening down for 
winter ? >>


Hey Jerry, I had the same thoughts as you but not posted anything either.

Took the old engines and junk to an apple festival show last Saturday and had 
a great time with a small but steady crowd all day.  Weather was great and we 
sure enjoyed the day out.

Been getting ready for Blue Ridge Folk Festival at Ferrum College, Virginia 
tomorrow but it looks like it will be rained out.  It has been cool and drizzle 
today, supposedly steady rain overnight and into tomorrow so we will probably 
not pull out at 5am like  usual.  Will sadly miss the show which is our last 
one for the year and it brings 20,000+spectators for the one day!

Maybe you could post us some step photos and information on the process you 
go thru to make those beautiful tags.  Maybe that would start the chatter among 
us!   

Have a good weekend!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Oct 21 12:59:59 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:59:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
	<43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Curt,
Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JPG

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.




> Charlie,
> Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.JPG
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Oct 22 06:22:01 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:22:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
Message-ID: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>

A fellow shows up at my place last weekend with a 3HP type M in the back 
of his truck. He is a farmer just around the corner from me and knows 
virtually nothing about gas engines. Someone around here told the poor 
guy I did! lol
 It apparently belonged to his wife's grandfather who passed away many 
years ago. Since then the engine has sat under the work bench at the 
home farm until her father asked if anyone wanted it.
The engine is in good shape with everything fairly free and complete and 
has what looks to be an original clutch pulley. It has the original Wico 
mag and spark plug ignition system and has some spark.
 Interesting modification which consists of a bracket bolted to the top 
of the water hopper attached to a chain which runs down to the governor 
v guide that the fingers ride in. Holes have been drilled in it and 
attached to hold it tight against the mains. The main function of this 
engine was to drive a wood lathe.
There is no plate on the engine so I was wondering if type M engines had 
the serial number anywhere else on them?
No, it is not for sale :-( but he wants to "get it going" .

thanks,
Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 22 06:07:57 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:07:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <023d01c5d709$a07f4520$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Hi Curt,
> Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
> Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.J
PG


Hi John, 
It appears that Steve might have tried to sneak the last of Missy's previous
six-pack, as evidenced by the bandage on the back of his hand.  You'd think that
at his age he would know better. 

Rob




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Oct 22 06:24:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:24:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
References: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Duncan,
The plate or engine tag is the only place that bears the serial #.
The Wico's came in late 1923, so the engine couldn't be older.
I always am curious what people have built to the engine,
especially the M's, so if it's possible for you to take a picture
of the setup it would be great.
Thanks in advance,

John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> A fellow shows up at my place last weekend with a 3HP type M in the back 
> of his truck. He is a farmer just around the corner from me and knows 
> virtually nothing about gas engines. Someone around here told the poor 
> guy I did! lol
>  It apparently belonged to his wife's grandfather who passed away many 
> years ago. Since then the engine has sat under the work bench at the 
> home farm until her father asked if anyone wanted it.
> The engine is in good shape with everything fairly free and complete and 
> has what looks to be an original clutch pulley. It has the original Wico 
> mag and spark plug ignition system and has some spark.
>  Interesting modification which consists of a bracket bolted to the top 
> of the water hopper attached to a chain which runs down to the governor 
> v guide that the fingers ride in. Holes have been drilled in it and 
> attached to hold it tight against the mains. The main function of this 
> engine was to drive a wood lathe.
> There is no plate on the engine so I was wondering if type M engines had 
> the serial number anywhere else on them?
> No, it is not for sale :-( but he wants to "get it going" .
> 
> thanks,
> Duncan
> 
> -- 
> Duncan Denman
> Ayton, Ontario
> Canada
> Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
> Home Page
> http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch
> 
> 
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 22 07:22:19 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 07:22:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BF7F992B.C2DE%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Almost didn't recognize Dave without his suspenders!

Good thing you took the picture with him sitting down...
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA



On 10/21/05 10:20 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:

> Charlie,
> Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.
> JPG
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Curt wrote:
> 
>> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
>> Curt Holland
>> 
>> 
>> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>> 
>>> None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area
>>> were
>>> not
>>> there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
>>> 
>>> Charlie Bryant
>>> (from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Oct 22 08:53:00 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:53:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
Message-ID: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>

Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
of the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY





From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sat Oct 22 10:21:59 2005
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:21:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20051022132159.01bcb4dc@mail.accnorwalk.com>

At 11:53 AM 10/22/05 -0400, you wrote:
>Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
>of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>
>Tommy Turner
>_______________________________________________
 
I've had mine quite a while. Maybe your mailman isn't done reading it yet!


                                                      
           Doug Tallman                 
           dtallman at accnorwalk.com                 
           VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director  
               Greenwich, OH USA                         
             


From marvhed at ecenet.com  Sat Oct 22 09:45:32 2005
From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:45:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
References: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <62402.199.62.0.252.1129999532.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>

i haven't seen mine either.

marv in minn


> Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th
> of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 09:57:28 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:57:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5d729$af423570$c563fea9@NP00061BD53524>

Yeah, mine showed up a week ago Tuesday.  Oct 11th. 

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, In

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:53 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM


Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
of the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Oct 22 10:07:31 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:07:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc>

Mine arrived some time ago.

Have had trouble with mail delivery at the business the past 6 or 9 months,
occasional delay with no explanation.  Have gone to using e-mail and fax to
deliver invoices to customers, had a big failure along this line recently,
fortunately the customer is a regular and called us that the invoice did not
arrive in time for monthly processing.  They took care of us anyway.  It
took 10 days to deliver the invoice about 15 miles. 

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:53 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th of
the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Oct 22 10:33:34 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:33:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
Message-ID: <20051022.133342.1116.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Tommy,

My November Issue came 10-15-2k5
I usually get it around the 8th.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 11:37:29 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:37:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051022183810.2613623F351@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Tommy, Looks like the first class shipments got lost in snail mail
heaven. Haven't seen mine yet.  Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca.

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:53 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th 
of the month but it still hasn't arrived.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 12:02:59 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:02:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <62402.199.62.0.252.1129999532.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMKEGKCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>

I too have had mine quite a while Marv.   I'd say at least 2 weeks because I
talked to Bob Banke about his Red Devil ad at least a week ago, and I had it a
while before I called him.

Carl


>From: MARVIN HEDBERG
>i haven't seen mine either.

>marv in minn


> Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th
> of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Oct 22 13:13:00 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:13:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
In-Reply-To: <000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>
	<000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <435A9D4C.9060401@wightman.ca>

I will try and get one John. I told him to be very careful about running 
it like that. Looks like it was meant to hold the engine running at full 
speed.
Thanks for your reply. The funny thing is, most Type M engines I have 
seen have the plate on top of the hopper but I couldn't even find a 
trace that one ever existed.

Duncan



John Hammink wrote:

>Hi Duncan,
>The plate or engine tag is the only place that bears the serial #.
>The Wico's came in late 1923, so the engine couldn't be older.
>I always am curious what people have built to the engine,
>especially the M's, so if it's possible for you to take a picture
>of the setup it would be great.
>Thanks in advance,
>
>John Hammink
>Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
>jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
>www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Oct 22 12:47:12 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:47:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Type M International
In-Reply-To: <435A9D4C.9060401@wightman.ca>
References: <435A3CF9.2060309@wightman.ca>
	<000901c5d70b$e66d44e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<435A9D4C.9060401@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <e3e8e2feeb606b15b6f1b7ba8de8e058@chartertn.net>

Top front of the hopper, right above the mixer, is where mine is. It's 
in a spot where it's readily banged and crushed, and mine's been pretty 
well battered over the years. It's held on by two rivets.

Don't mean to restart that argument about which end of an engine is the 
"front," but I'm looking from the head end.

John

> The funny thing is, most Type M engines I have seen have the plate on 
> top of the hopper but I couldn't even find a trace that one ever 
> existed.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 22 13:45:11 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:45:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <3.0.6.32.20051020223850.009b75b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><003d01c5d5e2$771335c0$9db6f504@x8h7l9><000601c5d64c$c155a040$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><4358FAF9.7020205@imc-group.com>
	<43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
	<001701c5d67a$07b788f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <1130013911.435aa4d7460dc@webmail.city-net.com>

John,

I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
"coffee" mug?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:

> Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
> Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JPG




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 14:55:02 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:55:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
Message-ID: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Why don't they rename it to start with? Something more honest like 
"Really Cheap Crap", or "Back in the Door with your Pants Down".

My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
did. Check the add for yourself.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
another refund, and another setback. Someday I will get to play with my 
lathe, but doesn't look like anytime soon. Sigh!!

You get what you pay for, and I'll never buy from them again. Time for 
some shopping.

Later,

Jeff Allen



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 22 15:11:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:11:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>

Jeff, 

FWIW, they do clearly state that the stand is specifically designed for THAT
SPECIFIC lathe.  They don't describe it as a general purpose lathe stand.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>:

> My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
> another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
> did. Check the add for yourself.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
> Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
> top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
> another refund, and another setback. 




From rtbush at charter.net  Sat Oct 22 15:28:50 2005
From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:28:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc>
References: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>

This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with mail 
delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes there are 
problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to go 15 miles 
is not acceptable at all. You should call your Postmaster to complain, 
and if you don't get any satisfaction with him or her you should report 
it to the Postal Inspectors. Intentionally delaying First Class Mail is 
an offense not taken lightly. If the problem is management not doing 
their job by insuring that the mail is delivered because of poor 
staffing or unwillingness to pay overtime, that's no excuse. If the 
letter carriers just don't get it all delivered each day then it's up to 
management to correct the situation with route adjustments or help for 
the carrier. A single piece can get lost or misplaced, even a whole tray 
can be misdirected, say to Florida and back, but it shouldn't happen on 
a regular basis.
 We have one of the best Postal Services in the world and should expect 
better service than that. Again, yell and scream until you get results. 
You can try these links for help...  
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php    
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195 
<http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195>  

  
  Good luck
   Bob Bushorr
 Postal employee for 32 years
 

Bill Brueck wrote:

>Mine arrived some time ago.
>
>Have had trouble with mail delivery at the business the past 6 or 9 months,
>occasional delay with no explanation.  Have gone to using e-mail and fax to
>deliver invoices to customers, had a big failure along this line recently,
>fortunately the customer is a regular and called us that the invoice did not
>arrive in time for monthly processing.  They took care of us anyway.  It
>took 10 days to deliver the invoice about 15 miles. 
>
>B?
> 
>Bill Brueck (brick)
>Chatfield, MN, USA
> 
>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>  
>


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 22 15:37:28 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:37:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051022223728.64806.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jeff how about(  Horrible Freight ).
Ron

Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

Why don't they rename it to start with? Something more honest like 
"Really Cheap Crap", or "Back in the Door with your Pants Down".

My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
did. Check the add for yourself.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
another refund, and another setback. Someday I will get to play with my 
lathe, but doesn't look like anytime soon. Sigh!!

You get what you pay for, and I'll never buy from them again. Time for 
some shopping.

Later,

Jeff Allen

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Kersey, PA
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 16:09:00 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:09:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
	<1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <435AC68C.2070600@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

You are correct, but it's hard to tell from the picture. I found one for 
a Grizzly 12 x 36 and they show a clear picture of just the stand. I 
know what I am purchasing, even though it is for their lathe. It's about 
$50 more and that includes shipping. Should be here next week.

Jeff

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Jeff, 
>
>FWIW, they do clearly state that the stand is specifically designed for THAT
>SPECIFIC lathe.  They don't describe it as a general purpose lathe stand.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>:
>
>  
>
>>My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
>>another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
>>did. Check the add for yourself.
>>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
>>Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
>>top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
>>another refund, and another setback. 
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From b2 at chooka.net  Sat Oct 22 17:57:17 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:57:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
Message-ID: <200510221958602.SM01064@wrbpc>

Bob, thanks for the encouragement.  Indeed next I have an incident that can
be well documented I will follow your suggestion.  Despite the fact that
most of the individuals we encounter in the system are real pleasant and
helpful, we have been stonewalled for years when trying to register a
concern.  For example, the ONLY one not able to access our office from time
to time is the USPS service.  DHL, FedEx, UPS, customers, employees, pesky
salesmen, are all there, some multiple times a day.  Sometimes we don't get
mail delivery, when we call we are just told that they don't have to deliver
where there is construction.  It's kind of hard to prove that there wasn't
construction going on somewhere that day, maybe even a bobcat crossing the
road, (we are in a developing area) and we cannot get past the stock
response of not having to cross construction so we've stopped calling. 

I agree wholeheartedly that we have one of the world's best postal systems.
I do a lot of international business and some travel, folks in some parts of
the world live with much, much worse.  Also said for telephone service, and
Internet reliability.  And police and fire.  And utilities and roads.  And
health care.  And on and on...

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Bushorr
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM

This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with mail
delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes there are
problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to go 15 miles is
not acceptable at all. You should call your Postmaster to complain, and if
you don't get any satisfaction with him or her you should report it to the
Postal Inspectors. Intentionally delaying First Class Mail is an offense not
taken lightly. If the problem is management not doing their job by insuring
that the mail is delivered because of poor staffing or unwillingness to pay
overtime, that's no excuse. If the letter carriers just don't get it all
delivered each day then it's up to management to correct the situation with
route adjustments or help for the carrier. A single piece can get lost or
misplaced, even a whole tray can be misdirected, say to Florida and back,
but it shouldn't happen on a regular basis.
 We have one of the best Postal Services in the world and should expect
better service than that. Again, yell and scream until you get results. 
You can try these links for help...  
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php    
http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_s
id=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195
<http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
sid=pRZbZHSh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_faqid=4195>  

  
  Good luck
   Bob Bushorr
 Postal employee for 32 years
 

Bill Brueck wrote:

>Mine arrived some time ago.
>
>Have had trouble with mail delivery at the business the past 6 or 9 
>months, occasional delay with no explanation.  Have gone to using 
>e-mail and fax to deliver invoices to customers, had a big failure 
>along this line recently, fortunately the customer is a regular and 
>called us that the invoice did not arrive in time for monthly 
>processing.  They took care of us anyway.  It took 10 days to deliver the
invoice about 15 miles.
>
>B?
> 
>Bill Brueck (brick)
>Chatfield, MN, USA
> 
>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>
>  
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Oct 22 18:20:26 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:20:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
References: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc> <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
Message-ID: <435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>

Bob,

    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class.  
I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell 
me there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay 
about twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book 
rate arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard 
Backus.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Bob Bushorr wrote:

> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with 
> mail delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes 
> there are problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to 
> go 15 miles is not acceptable at all.





From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Oct 22 19:39:39 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:39:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Tractor stuff
Message-ID: <435AF7EB.4070103@wightman.ca>

Since it is kind of slow lately, here are some pics of a plow day I was 
invited to by one of my distant neighbours. We had a great time and it 
was a good chance to give the John Deere a workout.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/temp.html

And here are the two latest aquistions in the tractor line up. They are 
fun and useful for moving engine stuff around.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/temp2.html

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 18:42:03 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:42:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051023014224.7D82823F500@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi Tommy, Maybe the first class subscription mags never left the publishers.
Thanks for being our representative . Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca 94945

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:20 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Bob,

    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class.  
I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell 
me there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay 
about twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book 
rate arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard 
Backus.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Bob Bushorr wrote:

> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with 
> mail delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes 
> there are problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to 
> go 15 miles is not acceptable at all.



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From oiseming at moscow.com  Sat Oct 22 19:12:08 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:12:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
In-Reply-To: <435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <200510230212.j9N2CHiO022329@mail-gw.fsr.net>

If it's any comfort, may I suggest it's a problem with the USPS?  

We recently received a letter from Lowell Wagner.  I wondered why he should
be getting in touch because the two of us didn't have any deals hanging.  

So, I opened the envelope (It had already been ripped open and taped shut,
again.) and inside was a letter advising that Classic Tractors would be
featuring the 2005 Arizona Flywheelers Show.  

The problem was, the broadcast had been a month earlier.  I looked at the
postmark and, sure enough, the letter had been out there in limbo for over a
month.  

A week ago we got the cover to a catalog in the mail.  That's it, just the
cover.  All the pages in between were gone.  

Yesterday, we got a JC Whitney catalog--sort of.  We got half the pages.
Oh, all the pages were there, all right, but only the half of the page
closest to the spine was there.  It looked like it had a near miss with a
paper shredder.  

The Model A Ford Club of America hasn't started packaging their "Restorer"
in plastic, yet.  Too bad.  Almost every issue we get is ripped and creased
in one hopeless way or another.  

Your GEM?  Most likely it's either shredded to dust or on top of somebody
else's night stand.  

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:20 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM

Bob,

    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class.  
I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell 
me there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay 
about twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book 
rate arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard 
Backus.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Bob Bushorr wrote:

> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with 
> mail delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes 
> there are problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to 
> go 15 miles is not acceptable at all.



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From reb at apex.net  Sat Oct 22 19:21:38 2005
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie Bauer)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:21:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
References: <200510221208742.SM01064@wrbpc> <435ABD22.30609@charter.net>
	<435AE55A.5070409@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5d778$7fe55330$0202a8c0@Dads>

Tommy, I got mine on the 15 3rd class. I got broke twenty plus years ago on 
the 1 st class joke. I went through this same conversation with friends then 
and decided I was being took.

Dick Bauer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM


> Bob,
>
>    My neighbor gets the GEM at the book rate rather than first class. 
> I've been getting it first class for probably 25 years.  My neighbor got 
> his on Nov. 18.  With mine being first class it should have arrived at 
> least a week before his.  I've had several first class recipients tell me 
> there's hasn't arrived.  I don't know what's going on but we pay about 
> twice the rate to get the first class postage for GEM yet the book rate 
> arrives first???   My guess its on GEM's end.  I'll email Richard Backus.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Bob Bushorr wrote:
>
>> This is for Bill and anybody that is having a serious problem with mail 
>> delivery. I work for the Post Office and know that sometimes there are 
>> problems that will delay the mail a few days. But 10 days to go 15 miles 
>> is not acceptable at all.
>
>
>
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From bdb at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 22 12:29:23 2005
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:29:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <002201c5d73e$e87dcd30$3345d70c@VALUED20606295>

Hey guys, I have been working on a 3 hp round rod Galloway for several months and am about ready to start painting. Does anyone have a picture of one of these with all the pin striping , all I have is the picture in Wendel's book. I know they are really beautiful when done right. Also does anyone have the specs for the gas tank for this engine and is anyone making these tanks. I am also having trouble deciding if I want to take the sub base off before putting the engine on the cart , any thoughts guys. BTW I received an email from Reg Ingold saying that he still hasn't got his castings from Bob Bromps  I wonder if anyone else is having this kind of trouble with Bromps.
Thanks, Barry


Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

E-Mail at bdb at mchsi.com

From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Oct 22 14:48:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:48:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <BF7F992B.C2DE%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
References: <43592379.8000402@imc-group.com>
	<BF7F992B.C2DE%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051022174645.02277b98@mail.alltel.net>

The show had not started when Curt took this picture!
         Dave

At 10:22 AM 10/22/2005, Kelley Garcia wrote:
>Almost didn't recognize Dave without his suspenders!
>
>Good thing you took the picture with him sitting down...
>--
>Kelley Garcia
>La Habra, Ka.
>USA
>
>
>
>On 10/21/05 10:20 AM, "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>
> > Charlie,
> > Here is one for you that may shed some light on where Dave was....
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140027.
> > JPG
> > Curt Holland
> > Gastonia, NC
> >
> > Curt wrote:
> >
> >> Sawing logs. One even snored a little. ;-)
> >> Curt Holland
> >>
> >>
> >> Charles R Bryant wrote:
> >>
> >>> None of the locals from the nearby Greensburgh and Kensington,PA area
> >>> were
> >>> not
> >>> there (and here I was expecting some good PA hospitality).
> >>>
> >>> Charlie Bryant
> >>> (from the State of Maine where the sun rises first in the U.S.A.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Oct 22 15:22:37 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:22:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051022181920.0468a050@mail.alltel.net>


>You get what you pay for, and I'll never buy from them again. Time for 
>some shopping.
>Later,
>Jeff Allen

Hi Jeff, And you got EXACTLY what you paid for. HF can not take 
responsibility for those who can not read or who do not know what words mean!
         Dave
PS, The mistake was YOURS, and they gave you your money back--what the hell 
more do you want?
PPS, Are you a DEMOCRAT?



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Oct 22 17:27:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:27:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AC68C.2070600@earthlink.net>
References: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
	<1130019119.435ab92fdfaed@webmail.city-net.com>
	<435AC68C.2070600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051022202509.046c4430@mail.alltel.net>

Ah yes Jeff, HF needs to make the pictures more clear for those of us who 
can't read and/or don't know what words mean.
         Dave
PS, Are you a DEMOCRAT?

At 07:09 PM 10/22/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Arnie,
>
>You are correct, but it's hard to tell from the picture.
>Jeff
>
>fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>>Jeff,
>>FWIW, they do clearly state that the stand is specifically designed for THAT
>>SPECIFIC lathe.  They don't describe it as a general purpose lathe stand.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Quoting Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>:
>>
>>
>>
>>>My first experience was bad, but I got a refund. Today I gave them 
>>>another chance. Big mistake. I bought a lathe stand. Well, I thought I 
>>>did. Check the add for yourself.
>>>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33275
>>>Notice it mentions two large compartments? That's it. The cross beam and 
>>>top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
>>>another refund, and another setback.
>>
>>
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From svsuzanne at copper.net  Sun Oct 23 02:11:45 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:11:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Nov. GEM
References: <435A605C.7060008@scrtc.com>
	<62402.199.62.0.252.1129999532.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net>
Message-ID: <006801c5d7b1$cc3f4950$6837e83f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

Got mine last week.
Dan in NC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" <marvhed at ecenet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nov. GEM


>i haven't seen mine either.
>
> marv in minn
>
>
>> Has anyone gotten their November GEM?  I usually get mine about the 10th
>> of the month but it still hasn't arrived.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 23 04:22:08 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:22:08 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Say Arnie didn't the Ford Truck dealer give you a new "red coffee mug" to 
replace the "yellow jeep coffee mug"????
Curt


> John,
> 
> I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
> "coffee" mug?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:
> 
> > Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
> > Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
> >
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JP
> G
> 
> 
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From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Sun Oct 23 05:24:29 2005
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:24:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Re: GEM index?  Taylor ever covered?
Message-ID: <000701c5d7cc$b74ffce0$5758cc45@rochester.rr.com>

>> Is there a comprehensive index to past years' issues of Gas Engine
Magazine?
>> I'm wondering if/when they published any stories on Taylor Vacuum
Engines.

>Yep, contact...
>R.D.HEIDL  2816 S.CAMPBELL ST. SANDUSKY,OHIO 44870
>
>He's put the entire GEM index onto CD as an Excel spreadsheet that is
>easily searched.  I think he charges something like $5 for the CD.
>
>There are 13 references to Taylor Vacuum Engines; earliest in Vol. 7 and
>latest in Vol. 35.

Thanks, Arnie!  Does the index show what type of item it is?  E.g. are any
of the 13 references actual articles, or might the be mailbag letters, or
for sale ads?

Thanks,
Rick I.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct 23 05:45:37 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:45:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT Harbor freight
In-Reply-To: <435AB536.6080105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02cf01c5d7cf$ac674ba0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> top are apparently included with the optional lathe. Another trip, 
> another refund, and another setback. Someday I will get to 
> play with my lathe, but doesn't look like anytime soon. Sigh!!


>From Rex on the Logan Lathe mailing list:

"Speaking of benches, last time I was in Home Depot they had some new 
workbenches. They were about 5-ft long, about 30" deep, steel bases with 
a couple of drawers, on big casters. Top was 2" wood and overhung the 
ends. For $115."

"This looked like it was made with a lathe in mind. It was all I 
could do not to leave with a couple.  May go back yet."





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Oct 23 06:05:52 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:05:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051023130551.HDTU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Since it is a little quiet at the moment, here is an example of a very fine
piece of work:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/2004_0304stovercarb200
02.JPG
This is the new throttle-governed carby Edd has made for my YC Stover. Edd
has fabricated this from scratch using the one off his engine as a pattern:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061420.JPG

The new carby works as good as it looks as my YC is now running on it :)


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Oct 23 06:31:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:31:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <002201c5d73e$e87dcd30$3345d70c@VALUED20606295>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV195D9B7C32EA81BD25706BB740@phx.gbl>

Barry..here's a pix of a 5 off an original flyer.  Don't know how anyone in 
their right mind would say it's wrong for your three.  I know gotta change 
the 5 to a 3:-)))

http://image12.webshots.com/13/1/63/81/138616381AmaPJX_ph.jpg

Would like to see pix's of your 3....and I'd keep the base on..too my 
knowledge the ones without bases were used on sawing outfits and such.

hope this helps
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdb" <bdb at mchsi.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


Hey guys, I have been working on a 3 hp round rod Galloway for several 
months and am about ready to start painting. Does anyone have a picture of 
one of these with all the pin striping , all I have is the picture in 
Wendel's book. I know they are really beautiful when done right. Also does 
anyone have the specs for the gas tank for this engine and is anyone making 
these tanks. I am also having trouble deciding if I want to take the sub 
base off before putting the engine on the cart , any thoughts guys. BTW I 
received an email from Reg Ingold saying that he still hasn't got his 
castings from Bob Bromps  I wonder if anyone else is having this kind of 
trouble with Bromps.
Thanks, Barry


Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Oct 23 07:01:40 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:01:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
In-Reply-To: <20051023130551.HDTU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <200510231401.j9NE1ks5079515@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Wow!  That is one mighty fine piece of work.  My hat is off in respect for
Edd's craftsmanship.  

Regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 6:06 AM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover

Since it is a little quiet at the moment, here is an example of a very fine
piece of work:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/2004_0304stovercarb200
02.JPG
This is the new throttle-governed carby Edd has made for my YC Stover. Edd
has fabricated this from scratch using the one off his engine as a pattern:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061420.JPG

The new carby works as good as it looks as my YC is now running on it :)


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/






From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 23 07:15:28 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:15:28 EDT
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <1a4.4236530c.308cf500@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/23/2005 9:31:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< This is the new throttle-governed carby Edd has made for my YC Stover >

Patrick,

That is a great piece of work Edd has done.  Did he weld up a bunch of pieces 
to form the box and then start machining/grinding or is it some type of 
casting?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Oct 23 07:14:37 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:14:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051023.101521.572.0.jlb94@juno.com>

WOW !!!
That is some nice looking work.

Who Edd made that ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 08:47:26 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:47:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>

Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
following distribution:

20% - Tod Engine - 25%
20% - Internal Fire 25%
20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
performance)
20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
Trip(my chosen recipient)

I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
followed up with me to date on that.

In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
have to act.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 09:33:36 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:33:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


>From: Spencer Yost

>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
> has a stellar financial performance)

Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving less
money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple of
years, they had an "interim" CEO who served something like 8 months and got a
"golden parachute" of over a million bucks!    There are LOTS better choices
than the Red Cross!
Carl




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 11:16:00 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:16:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510231116q17273ee7w6601d7e0757354b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/23/05, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:
>

Spencer:

Whatever your choices, most folks will go along with you.

I seem to remember that there was some problems in getting onto the
auction database at the time?  I remember that I tried a few times and
so did others, without success, there was a problem with a password or
some such thing which didn't work for many of us.

Maybe that is why so few have voted so far.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 11:19:15 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:19:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 10/23/2005 at 9:33 AM Carl Carlsen wrote:

>>From: Spencer Yost
>
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>> has a stellar financial performance)
>

Actually, false.  Here are the facts:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm

The numbers are certainly better than all the other organizations we have
donated to in the past, including Make-a-Wish,. ALS, Heifer, etc

I have heard all the rumors about the Red Cross too.  And I have heard all
the "They didn't give me my cigarettes when I was soldier" stories too.
But a few years ago some actual research and number crunching I did for the
charity auction revealed a well run organization that did more good that
just about all the general emergency response charities put together.  It
was then I realized that the "Red Cross is fiscally irrespionsible" stuff
just isn't true and was based on a few stories that were atypical for the
organization.

While no organization is perfect, they have 4 star rating, 3 star
efficiency and one of the best capacity ratings in the business(means how
much can they actually do).  Very low fund raising expenses for an
organization their size.  Personally, I have never understood all this
"kill the red Cross" stuff I see on these lists considiring every one of us
(or a close family member) has relied on their blood banks.  Also, the did
about 80% of the initial disater work for the hurricances, so I'll earmark
the funds for hurricane relief.

But really - all in all?   They are as well run as humans can manage.  They
are the 300 pound lineman(or big oilfield engine) of charities.   Not
pretty to watch but man, do they both get some work done.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 11:23:15 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:23:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
	<200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>

Whoops!   I forgot to quote and include Carl's post.   My post should read
like this

>>From: Spencer Yost
>
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>> has a stellar financial performance)
>
>Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving
less
>money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple
>of

Actually, false.  Here are the facts:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm

The numbers are certainly better than all the other organizations we have
donated to in the past, including Make-a-Wish,. ALS, Heifer, etc

I have heard all the rumors about the Red Cross too.  And I have heard all
the "They didn't give me my cigarettes when I was soldier" stories too.
But a few years ago some actual research and number crunching I did for the
charity auction revealed a well run organization that did more good that
just about all the general emergency response charities put together.  It
was then I realized that the "Red Cross is fiscally irrespionsible" stuff
just isn't true and was based on a few stories that were atypical for the
organization.

While no organization is perfect, they have 4 star rating, 3 star
efficiency and one of the best capacity ratings in the business(means how
much can they actually do).  Very low fund raising expenses for an
organization their size.  Personally, I have never understood all this
"kill the red Cross" stuff I see on these lists considiring every one of us
(or a close family member) has relied on their blood banks.  Also, the did
about 80% of the initial disater work for the hurricances, so I'll earmark
the funds for hurricane relief.

But really - all in all?   They are as well run as humans can manage.  They
are the 300 pound lineman(or big oilfield engine) of charities.   Not
pretty to watch but man, do they both get some work done.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 11:43:20 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:43:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510231116q17273ee7w6601d7e0757354b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6f6025160510231116q17273ee7w6601d7e0757354b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200510231443200734.043C4770@heavyiron.atis.net>

Actually, 65 people registered, all of which logged on and viewed the
polling page where they place their vote.   Only 15 of them chose to vote
though.   The voting was interrupted at the very end by the server outage,
but by then it was already a foregone conclusion that no one was taking the
voting seriously.

I did hear of a few technical problems with Firefox and the security code
not showing up, but that was(depending on who you talk too), a bug in
Mozilla (aka Firefox), libpng, or others.  This was specific to an older
version and out of my control.  Upgrading Firefox fixed it.   Older IE
sometimes rendered the image "out of focus" for lack of a better phrase
too.   This was a known gamma and transparency bug in IE and should only
affect very old versions(less than 6.0 SP 1) .

By the way, I could only restore some of the user accounts, (about 35), so
if you visit the site again you may have to re-register.


Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/23/2005 at 7:16 PM Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 10/23/05, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never
>have
>> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self
respect,
>> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>> following distribution:
>>
>
>Spencer:
>
>Whatever your choices, most folks will go along with you.
>
>I seem to remember that there was some problems in getting onto the
>auction database at the time?  I remember that I tried a few times and
>so did others, without success, there was a problem with a password or
>some such thing which didn't work for many of us.
>
>Maybe that is why so few have voted so far.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 12:55:57 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:55:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


>From: Spencer Yost


>>From: Spencer Yost
>
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>> has a stellar financial performance)
>
>Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving
less
>money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple
>of

>Actually, false.  Here are the facts:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm

Well Spencer, I'm not going to get into a peeing contest with you on the list,
but what would you expect from a website which SUPPORTS the Red Cross.  There
are many others who dispute it, but damned if I'm going to spend the time doing
it now ... I've seen them before and that's good enough for me.  Think as you
wish .. it's a free country.

I just know that I do NOT give anything which passes through the Red Cross.

Carl




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Oct 23 14:06:39 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:06:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00b601c5d815$a9bd3770$64bed2cc@pengy>

Thanks Spencer and everyone on the ATIS lists.  We are very apprciative of 
the donations from the Charity Auction over the past few years.  It 
certainly is put to good use preserving lots of old iron.  Two things that 
will happen quite soon will be the moving of the final four large pieces of 
the Tod to the museum and extension of electrical service to the museum 
property.  Both are important projects and with the help of all the 
contributions that we have recieved this year these can be accomplished.

Thanks again everyone.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions


> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never 
> have
> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:
>
> 20% - Tod Engine - 25%
> 20% - Internal Fire 25%
> 20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
> occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
> performance)
> 20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
> 10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
> Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
> I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
> not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, 
> I
> have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
> system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
> input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
> I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
> followed up with me to date on that.
>
> In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
> idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
> will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so 
> if
> anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
> consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
> have to act.
>
> Spencer Yost
> Owner, ATIS
> Plow the Net!
> http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From yostsw at atis.net  Sun Oct 23 14:11:08 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:11:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200510231711080734.04C39810@heavyiron.atis.net>

>Well Spencer, I'm not going to get into a peeing contest with you on the
>list,
>but what would you expect from a website which SUPPORTS the Red Cross. 
>There


While I agree we should drop it, but I do need to clear Charity Navigator's
name and correct your statement.   CharityNavigator.com is completely
independent of the Red Cross and does not favor it, or any other of the
thousands of charities it rates.  From their mission statement:

"Charity Navigator, America's premier independent 
charity evaluator, works to advance a more efficient 
and responsive philanthropic marketplace by 
evaluating the financial health of America's largest charities."

They do NOT support the Red Cross.  They only critique the financials as
gleaned from all the organizations' tax documents.

I do respect your opinion, I appreciate you sharing your view and we'll
agree to disagree.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net




From asouth at strato.net  Sun Oct 23 14:29:38 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:29:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT: One More Time
Message-ID: <007d01c5d818$dfd39f90$2321d7cc@ARTHUR>

Hello List(s),
With hurricane Wilma taking aim at South Florida, I think it's time for us to tip toe out the door and go to my brother's house since it is concrete block. I have been cured of trying to ride out a hurricane in a mobile home. The radio in Port Charlotte Fla. says we can expect 55 to 70 MPH winds. That's strong enough for me to go somewhere else. I'll be back in a day or two, utilities permitting, to see what you guys and gals have been talking about. Any other Floridians in harms way, good luck to ya.

Arthur







Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 

From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 14:40:03 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:40:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <435C0333.1030405@earthlink.net>

Hi Spencer,

If I had known any money would go to the Red Cross, I would not have 
donated to the auctions. We do have a list member that helped victims of 
the first hurricane, and then was hit by one. Perhaps the 20% for the 
Red Cross could go to his church for hurricane relief. Last I heard the 
Red Cross never showed up in Sulpher, Louisiana. A few snips below.

Jeff Allen
P.S. All the other choices are good ones.
P.P.S. Decided to keep the snips to on list posts. Left the off list 
personal message out.

>Here I go once again , pushing my luck by posting this to the LIST .On 
>9-2-05 I gave a update as to what was happening in my home town of Sulphur , 
>La and there was quite a response about the concern for helping those in 
>need of help, without throughing away their money to charity originations 
>that has high maintenance folks on their payroll .On 9-12-05 I received a 
>LARGE cash donation from Tom Schmutz in Virginia and today , 9-13-05 
>received another LARGE check from Jeff Allen in Colorado to give where it 
>will help those in need , and folks , you can`t image the response from 
>those that will use the money .They can`t believe people who they have never 
>seen and will probably  never meet ( like myself  ) opened their pocketbooks 
>and showed their kindness toward mankind .
> We may have our ups and downs on this list but you know what , when the 
>chips are down  , this is one group of guys ( and gals ) that will help 
>their fellow man for whatever it takes .
>  The Hurricane has come and gone , FEMA has come and gone , and we still 
>have thousands of homeless that can`t get the help our government has 
>promised and probably never will because they are too busy patting each 
>other on the back for such a good job they done .So , if you have any of 
>these unfortunate folks in your area , put yourself in there place for just 
>a little while and try to lend a helping hand as I am sure they will 
>appericate it .
> Again , thanks to Tom and Jeff for there most generous donations and thank 
>all of you for your PRAYERS and thoughts and for helping me help someone in 
>despertate need .
>
>Bo Hinch 
>
>Good morning to all my friends around the world .As most of you know by now 
>,we have another hurricane in the gulf of mexico knocking on our door and 
>fixing to come in , wanted or not . My family and employes have left this 
>part of the state and I will be leaving in about a hour or so . Hope to be 
>able to give you an update tomorrow evening but the way things are looking 
>at the moment , that may not be possible for awhile as the eastern part of 
>the eye will be passing over Sulphur in the early morning hours of saturday 
>with a lot of wind , rain and tornados . If it is against your nature to 
>Pray , at least keep your fingers crossed for ALL of us in southeast texas 
>and southwest louisiana .
>
>Till Later ( I hope )
>
>Bo Hinch 
>
> You are correct Charlie , we took a very hard hit . My home has a 
> little damage , my business has MAJOR damage and our federal 
> government won`t let me back to began making necessary repairs as it 
> is unsafe for whatever that means .Have had no help from the red cross 
> ( didn`t expect it ) and no help from fema ( didn`t expect that either 
> ).In the mean time , I have thousands of dollars of parts being ruined 
> because I can`t get back to make necessary repairs to my building to 
> protect them . We have no water , gas , electricity and very little 
> food .Went to axlendra la yesterday to find gas for the generator and 
> had to pull out my 38 to protect myself and family from a couple of 
> thugs . If I wouldn`t of had it behind my seat , I would be history 
> today .It may be a while before I can respond again so if you would be 
> so kind , please pass this on to all the list .As I have also ask for 
> before , I am asking again , PLEASE keep all of us in your daily 
> thoughts and prayers as times a!
> re tough and thanks to our federal government , its probably going to 
> be a lot worse before it gets better.
> Bo Hinch in hot , wet war torn southwest louisiana




 
Spencer Yost wrote:

>Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
>to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
>wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>following distribution:
>
>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>performance)
>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
>I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
>not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
>have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
>system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
>input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
>I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
>followed up with me to date on that.
>
>In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
>idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
>will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
>anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
>consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
>have to act.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Oct 23 15:07:31 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:07:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>	<200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231423150093.0429E1E7@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <435C09A3.70900@scrtc.com>

I have to give a thumbs up to the Red Cross as well.  After the '97 
tornado, they were in my local community for a couple of weeks helping 
serve meals, providing drinking water, etc.  I really appreciate the 
assistance they gave and they are on our annual "donation" list.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Whoops!   I forgot to quote and include Carl's post.   My post should read
>like this
>
>  
>
>>>From: Spencer Yost
>>>      
>>>
>>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary
>>>to what you occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross
>>>has a stellar financial performance)
>>>      
>>>
>>Not in my book!  They have the highest administrative expenses leaving
>>    
>>
>less
>  
>
>>money going directly to the poor folks who need help!  Going back a couple
>>of
>>    
>>
>
>Actually, false.  Here are the facts:
>
>http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm
>
>The numbers are certainly better than all the other organizations we have
>donated to in the past, including Make-a-Wish,. ALS, Heifer, etc
>
>I have heard all the rumors about the Red Cross too.  And I have heard all
>the "They didn't give me my cigarettes when I was soldier" stories too.
>But a few years ago some actual research and number crunching I did for the
>charity auction revealed a well run organization that did more good that
>just about all the general emergency response charities put together.  
>
>
>  
>


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sun Oct 23 16:31:48 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:31:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net><200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <003401c5d829$f0c79e80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions


> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.





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> 
> 
> 
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sun Oct 23 16:43:21 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:43:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net><200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c5d82b$8df71220$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Spencer,

I was greatly elated to see donation to the Les Turner  ALS foundation in
honor of Bernie Hartmann
I just wish I had saved some of the messages related to Bernie to share with
you all.
Bernie contributed greatly to the hobby even during his illness with ALS.
His wife
Jan is having a great battle with cancer but has kept his engines and is
still very
active in our club.  Due to health reasons and my move from MO to Maine I
did
not contribute to the auction like I had in past years. You can be assured I
will next
year though. Thanks Spencer.

Charlie Bryant
>From the Woods of Maine
Where its Now Moose Hunting Season


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions


> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)


www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sun Oct 23 15:44:27 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>

Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?

GAry

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Say Arnie didn't the Ford Truck dealer give you a new "red coffee mug" to 
> replace the "yellow jeep coffee mug"????
> Curt
> 
> 
> 
>>John,
>>
>>I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
>>"coffee" mug?  8-))
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Quoting John Hammink <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>:
>>
>>
>>>Was Steve pointing out Missy where to get new 6-packs?
>>>Arnie looks a little out of fuel :o))
>>>
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2005/PA140022.JP
>>G
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Oct 23 16:59:23 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:59:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
Message-ID: <20051023.200406.1308.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?
=        =        =        =        =        =        

I'm not sure - But - I ass u me the Bessie has something to do with it.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct 23 17:55:02 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:55:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051023205410.0471aae8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Spencer, Thank you for what you do!
         Dave

At 11:47 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
>to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
>wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>following distribution:
>
>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>performance)
>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
>I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
>not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
>have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
>system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
>input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
>I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
>followed up with me to date on that.
>
>In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
>idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
>will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
>anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
>consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
>have to act.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct 23 17:59:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:59:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMCEHPCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
	<200510231419150875.04263B75@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051023205548.0466f440@mail.alltel.net>


>   They
>are the 300 pound lineman(or big oilfield engine) of charities.   Not
>pretty to watch but man, do they both get some work done.
>Spencer Yost

Ah Spencer, I'm beginning to think you have a "thing" re: "big oil field 
engine[s]." If you really want one for your own please contact me off List 
and perhaps good things will happen!
         Dave



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Oct 23 18:25:08 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:25:08 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
In-Reply-To: <1a4.4236530c.308cf500@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051024012509.KUQT5164.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Edd Payne is well known for his excellent work. The whole carby is
fabricated with no castings! Edd made the box out of steel and then made all
the fittings. The internals are a little tricky but he has done an excellent
job. 
More pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


Patrick,

That is a great piece of work Edd has done.  Did he weld up a bunch of
pieces 
to form the box and then start machining/grinding or is it some type of 
casting?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Sun Oct 23 18:32:14 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:32:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net><200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net><200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051023205410.0471aae8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <009b01c5d83a$c5207a70$0e498347@D6R3D961>

I trust Spencer will choose and follow through in a responsible manor.
The charities mentioned sound just fine to me

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, 
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L. of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ 


>>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>>performance)
>>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>>Trip(my chosen recipient)




From lsain33 at charter.net  Sun Oct 23 19:44:12 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:44:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley
Message-ID: <056a01c5d844$d1969690$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to free up a clutch pulley on a 7 HP Witte, but with little success.  The pulley rotates freely on the shaft, ie, not engaged, and the inner workings of the clutch are rusted tight.  I'm soaking the insides with PB Blaster and being patient.  If I could get the pulley off I could work on it much more easily, but I can't figure out how it is attached to the shaft.  Anyone out there with diagrams, hints, or other advice?  Thanks in advance.

Larry in Cat Square, NC


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Oct 23 21:29:42 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:29:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <034901c5d853$8f424fa0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:


You're doing a good thing, Spencer. 














From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Oct 23 22:58:05 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:58:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <435C77ED.4090000@comcast.net>

Spencer Yost wrote:

>Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
>to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
>winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
>wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
>following distribution:
>
>20% - Tod Engine - 25%
>20% - Internal Fire 25%
>20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
>occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
>performance)
>20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
>10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
>Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
>downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
>10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
>Trip(my chosen recipient)
>
>I hate to act unilaterally, and those on the list that know me know I am
>not cavalier with important matters such as a charity auction.   However, I
>have begged and pleaded, solicited and been patient.   I set up a voting
>system that no one used(15 votes does not a quorum make), and waited for
>input from the SEL list as to how they wanted the summer's money spent; as
>I was told a scholarship fund was gong to get set up but no one has
>followed up with me to date on that.
>
>In the end, all I can envision are folks in need and our money sitting
>idle.   It's a shame.   I can't wait any longer so I have to do this.  It
>will take me a day or two to write the checks/fill out web donations, so if
>anyone has any input over the next day or two, I will of course as always
>consider your point of view and would like to hear from you.   But I will
>have to act.
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>  
>
I agree that the AMERICAN Red Cross is a great,and responsible institution.

The International Red Cross, on the other hand, are a bunch of lying, 
theiving crooks.Better to help here at home!

UNICEF: You meant well, but anything remotely connected to the U.N. is, 
corrupt beyond reform.

"Better to keep your money at home"...my .02, I couldn't help myself : 
not meant to be a personal attack!

From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Oct 24 01:48:32 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:48:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
References: 172362967
Message-ID: <003201c5d877$b70d7ef0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi Patrick, what a beautiful job, you are very lucky. Congratulations Edd 
and Darren. Cheers Cam.
PS. Are we going to see it at Young.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] YC Stover


> Edd Payne is well known for his excellent work. The whole carby is
> fabricated with no castings! Edd made the box out of steel and then made 
> all
> the fittings. The internals are a little tricky but he has done an 
> excellent
> job.
> More pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Patrick,
>
> That is a great piece of work Edd has done.  Did he weld up a bunch of
> pieces
> to form the box and then start machining/grinding or is it some type of
> casting?
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Oct 24 04:32:17 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:32:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] novo roller
Message-ID: <015e01c5d88e$96ad90c0$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day All 
A mate of mine has an engine i am 99% sure its a Novo Roller, i have some pics up on my webshots page 
it would be good if some one could shed some light on it also its missing the original carby does any one have one 
or have a pic of what should be on it 
thanks Brock    

Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 08:09:57 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL - Where is everyone ?
In-Reply-To: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241108410.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>

No, but I have since changed "coffee" mug colors to match the truck.  8-))

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Say Arnie didn't the Ford Truck dealer give you a new "red coffee mug" to
> replace the "yellow jeep coffee mug"???>
> >
> > I'm at an engine show.  Not to worry.  "Fuel" is close at hand.  See the yellow
> > "coffee" mug?  8-))



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Mon Oct 24 11:44:32 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:44:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] novo roller
In-Reply-To: <015e01c5d88e$96ad90c0$5f11fea9@merlin>
References: <015e01c5d88e$96ad90c0$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051024114328.0264d970@mail.pennswoods.net>

Alliyutue




At 09:32 PM 10/24/2005 +1000, you wrote:
>G,day All
>A mate of mine has an engine i am 99% sure its a Novo Roller, i have 
>some pics up on my webshots page
>it would be good if some one could shed some light on it also its 
>missing the original carby does any one have one
>or have a pic of what should be on it
>thanks Brock
>
>Brock Summerfield
>ACT Australia
>brock at netspeed.com.au
>http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 09:17:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Spencer,

At Portland this year there was a lengthy discussion about setting up a
scholarship in the name of the SEL and having the charity auction proceeds
(or a large chunk) go to that.  Obviously, due to timing issues, that
wouldn't apply to the current planned distribution.

The idea being that folks on the SEL all do their own personal
"charitable" contributions to "worthy charities" and that SEL "charity"
stuff should be related to "stationary engine" things.  The first two
items listed below are in that category.  All of the others are the sorts
of charities that folks give to on their own for their own reasons.

The scholarship would be in some area of "mechanics" akin to stationary
engines.  Perhaps others who were in the discussions would care to
elaborate?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Spencer Yost wrote:

> Unfortunately, I am having to send the note I was hoping I would never have
> to send.  Here it is October and we haven't sent out a dime yet from the
> winter or summer auctions.   I can't, with any semblance of self respect,
> wait on everyone any longer.  I am going to send money out using the
> following distribution:
>
> 20% - Tod Engine - 25%
> 20% - Internal Fire 25%
> 20% - Red Cross Ear marked for Hurricane relief(contrary to what you
> occasionally hear on these lists, the Red Cross has a stellar financial
> performance)
> 20% - UNICEF (earmarked for the Pakistan quake)
> 10% - Les Turner Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Foundation in honor of
> Bernie Hartmann (I am not donating to ALS Assoc since their score was
> downgraded at CharityNavigator.com)
> 10% - Brookstown United Methodist Church Youth Fellowship Annual Mission
> Trip (my chosen recipient)


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 10:26:34 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:26:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241259500.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Gary,

YEP!  I really enjoyed having the Bessemer half-breed at Baraboo and
Portland and really appreciated Dave dragging it out for me.  That's OK
once, but not really a fair deal to request on a regular basis.  Add to
that the fact that Steve Webre had a brand new truck and I started to
consider the possibilities.  I was surprised that you could get a great
iron hauler without spending $50K.  The bottom line was that after
Portland I discussed trucks with friend spouse, did some research on the
net, and went shopping.  I looked at and drove Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford,
Toyota, and Nissan (all in the same size class).  I bought the Ford F-150
(a 2005 model, 4X4, off road & tow packages, 5.4L V8, SuperCab, 6.5' bed,
hard tonneau cover).  IMHO, the Ford was clearly the best truck.  PLEASE,
let's NOT start a "best truck" thread.  8-))

In the spring I go shopping for a nice 16' trailer.

Anyone in the market for a cherry 2001 Jeep Wrangler?  The "Rubber Duckie"
is for sale.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Gary Epps wrote:

> Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct 24 11:10:00 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:10:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
Message-ID: <435D2378.9010100@imc-group.com>

SEL and tractor fans,
Fans of all things International Harvester will be pleased to know the 
3rd annual show at Mike Burn's place will be held on October 29th at his 
house.
Mike has an unbelievable collection of large horsepower Mogul engines, 
Famous engines, Mogul tractors, Famous tractors (including s/n #1 
friction drive), an IHC auto, early Harvester grain binder, threshing 
equipment, and numerous smaller IHC and Osborn engines.

In years past it has been a working show (I assume it will be the same 
this year) including the cutting of wheat straw he grew and bound with 
the IHC cutter/binder, the threshing of the straw, and the baling with a 
large IHC hay baler. The thresher is driven with one of the large Mogul 
or Famous/Titan tractors.

In the late morning to early afternoon the tractors are started in the 
fields pulling large plows. There is nothing better than the stack music 
these large tractors make when pulling hard!

If you are into early IHC engines and tractors and seeing them worked as 
they would have been a 100 years ago, then this is the show for you!

Mike's address is 2715 East Georgia Rd. Simpsonville, SC
Or from Mapquest this map can be printed:
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=2715+east+georgia+rd&city=simpsonville&state=sc&zipcode=>
Hopefully that won't long line wrap. If it does just use the address 
above in Mapquest.

If you get lost call Mike on his cell at 864-414-1996

For a primer on what you are going to see here are the links to the 
pictures I took the last tow years.

2004 show:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html

and the 2003 show:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2003/Thumbnails.html

This is NOT a show you bring anything to. There is plenty of Mike's 
stuff to see and watch! The activities will start in the morning 8:00 
ish and usually go until mid-afternoon.

Hope to see many of you there. If you have any questions, email me.
See ya Saturday.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Would someone copy this over to the tractor lists please? I'm not 
on any at the moment.







From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 11:56:35 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:56:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
In-Reply-To: <435D2378.9010100@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F33BA51BC6458B29B31EC61C8770@phx.gbl>

Curt,

Make sure you take pictures!!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

========================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: Oil Field Engine Society mailing 
>list<ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
><stationary-engine at oldengine.org>,        OFES 
><ofes at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [OFES] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:10:00 -0400
>
>SEL and tractor fans,
>Fans of all things International Harvester will be pleased to know the 3rd 
>annual show at Mike Burn's place will be held on October 29th at his house.
>Mike has an unbelievable collection of large horsepower Mogul engines, 
>Famous engines, Mogul tractors, Famous tractors (including s/n #1 friction 
>drive), an IHC auto, early Harvester grain binder, threshing equipment, and 
>numerous smaller IHC and Osborn engines.
>
>In years past it has been a working show (I assume it will be the same this 
>year) including the cutting of wheat straw he grew and bound with the IHC 
>cutter/binder, the threshing of the straw, and the baling with a large IHC 
>hay baler. The thresher is driven with one of the large Mogul or 
>Famous/Titan tractors.
>
>In the late morning to early afternoon the tractors are started in the 
>fields pulling large plows. There is nothing better than the stack music 
>these large tractors make when pulling hard!
>
>If you are into early IHC engines and tractors and seeing them worked as 
>they would have been a 100 years ago, then this is the show for you!
>
>Mike's address is 2715 East Georgia Rd. Simpsonville, SC
>Or from Mapquest this map can be printed:
><http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=2715+east+georgia+rd&city=simpsonville&state=sc&zipcode=>
>Hopefully that won't long line wrap. If it does just use the address above 
>in Mapquest.
>
>If you get lost call Mike on his cell at 864-414-1996
>
>For a primer on what you are going to see here are the links to the 
>pictures I took the last tow years.
>
>2004 show:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2004/Thumbnails.html
>
>and the 2003 show:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2003/Thumbnails.html
>
>This is NOT a show you bring anything to. There is plenty of Mike's stuff 
>to see and watch! The activities will start in the morning 8:00 ish and 
>usually go until mid-afternoon.
>
>Hope to see many of you there. If you have any questions, email me.
>See ya Saturday.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>P.S. Would someone copy this over to the tractor lists please? I'm not on 
>any at the moment.
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>OFES mailing list
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/ofes




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Oct 24 13:01:13 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:01:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mike Burns' IHC engine and tractor show Oct 29th.
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F33BA51BC6458B29B31EC61C8770@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F33BA51BC6458B29B31EC61C8770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <435D3D89.4030900@imc-group.com>

Luke,
Have I failed you yet? ;-)
Warm batteries permitting I'll take as many as the last two years. I 
gotta say cold weather and this Olympus camera don't go together.
Curt


Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Make sure you take pictures!!
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 13:53:55 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:53:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/24/05, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Spencer,
>
> At Portland this year there was a lengthy discussion about setting up a
> scholarship in the name of the SEL and having the charity auction proceeds
> (or a large chunk) go to that.  Obviously, due to timing issues, that
> wouldn't apply to the current planned distribution.
>
> The idea being that folks on the SEL all do their own personal
> "charitable" contributions to "worthy charities" and that SEL "charity"
> stuff should be related to "stationary engine" things.  The first two
> items listed below are in that category.  All of the others are the sorts
> of charities that folks give to on their own for their own reasons.
>
> The scholarship would be in some area of "mechanics" akin to stationary
> engines.  Perhaps others who were in the discussions would care to
> elaborate?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Unfortunately, there is little record of what was discussed this year,
although I do remember a conversation about the Charity proceeds on
the day after the dinner/auction in which the scholarship was
mentioned.

Perhaps we need to set this out a little more formally so that at
least the full-grown idea can be viewed and likely funding needs
discussed?  methinks that it would take more than was raised at this
year's two auctions?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From oldengin at udata.com  Mon Oct 24 14:24:15 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] now pay for play at engine shows.
In-Reply-To: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMMEJKCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMMEJKCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <435D50FF.4060107@udata.com>

Carl Carlsen wrote:

>>From: Curt
>>True to my word I did not pay for or reserve a spot for
>>myself for next year.
>>    
>>
>
>Good for you Curt.  we revolted!   Maybe $5.00 or so to cover postage, entry forms printing
>etc., but not $25.00.   No airplanes, no air-show!    No engines & tractors, no
>engine show!
>
>Carl
>
>
>
>I agree and have sent this to the other list to see if everyone else agrees. I am seeing some of the same things happening right now with tractors as some of them are roped off with signs to do NOT touch!!!!  now I am sorry but if you want to touch a static display,,,,,,, I really see no problem? any one else? Yes people have more than once looked over my junk and have even ask that they run, you already know my answer, and this is still a hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Oct 24 15:18:29 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:18:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Charity Auction (from Dolly & Jim)
Message-ID: <1130192309.435d5db502d75@webmail.city-net.com>

Passing this along to the list from Dolly as her email is currently FUBAR.

******************
The scholarship idea was originally Leroy's.  It was discussed at Portland and
generally seemed to be an idea everyone approved of.  However, such an
enterprise is NOT without its difficulties, namely the legal aspects of
awarding scholarship funds in a politically correct way.  So we talked to a
group who were raising money for a similar cause, and suggested the possibility
of joining forces with their up and running scheme.  Dave, with his
considerable experience in the American further education system, was getting
in touch with them, but I'm not sure how far it got. I think their connection
between machine shop skills training and old engines was that the engine club
held its meetings in the college. It seemed that if we could say "We are
holding a charity auction and money raised will go to ...." beforehand, it
would probably inspire people to be more generous with a specific aim in mind.


There were a couple of points against it.  First of all, the existing engine
related charities to which the SEL proceeds go, ie the Tod Engine and Internal
Fire, still should get something from what we raise. And of course, for all
that he does, Spencer is free to chose his own particular recipient for some of
the funds. Also, the SEL is NOT exclusively American, so why should the money
go to an American Scholarship? To which the general idea was to TRY, to see if
we can get this to work.  If we can, we could have a general SEL scholarship
fund which could be paid out to a worthy student in any country.  

Ultimately, the skills needed for the restoration of old iron would be being
passed on to a new generation. It was an idea which met with a lot of approval
from those who were at Portland and the input of EVERYONE is really needed on
this. 

Whatever charities there are, there are certain to be dissenting folk - be it
tsunami relief, earthquakes, hurricanes etc.  If we  could find a SPECIFIC
cause for the money we raise which is approved by the majority of the group, it
would help greatly.  

As people have said before, engine-related charities are completely ignored by
the world in general, so if the SEL-raised funds are directed towards our own
hobby, while individuals give to external charities as their conscience
dictates maybe we could feel we are doing our own good in the world! 

Please contribute to this discussion.  As you have seen from the comments for
and against donating money to a well known cause such as the Red Cross, it
seems to be time to focus our fund raising ability.

Let me also add that no one person is driving this.  Leroy had the original
idea, I'm involved because I seem to be the one with the biggest mouth /
keyboard, Dave because of his knowledge of the US education system.  It is not
an ego-driven idea on anyone's behalf, simply a desire to find a universally
approved focus for our efforts.

All and any ideas and comments are welcome ... in fact, they are crucial, so
please, say what you think.

Whatever we do is not going to put anyone through college, but every little
helps and the aim of this would be to further the skills needed in this hobby.

So.  It's 11pm here in England, we're off to bed.  I expect a BRIMMING inbox in
the morning with all your comments!!

Dolly and Jim





From yostsw at atis.net  Mon Oct 24 15:53:49 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:53:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity auctions
In-Reply-To: <435C77ED.4090000@comcast.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<435C77ED.4090000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200510241853490343.0A47F4F1@heavyiron.atis.net>

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 10/24/2005 at 1:58 AM Michael P. Koryciak wrote:
>Spencer Yost wrote:
>
>"Better to keep your money at home"...my .02, I couldn't help myself : 
>not meant to be a personal attack!
>


No problem, thanks for your opinion.   I normally agree with the "at home"
thing, but the weather and inaccessibility of most victims make the
Pakistan quake a particularly difficult tragedy.  Also, The American UNICEF
Fund helps exclusively children, which seem to be especially at risk in
this situation.   On top of that, Pakistan has been a great friend and ally
in a region of the world where we have few.

Also, each country administers/oversees its own UNICEF funds and sends it
own volunteers for the effort.   As to accountability, the American fund is
very transparent and has great financials.  I don't know if the funds in
other countries are as stellar in their performance though; and therefore
UNICEF criticisms often are wielded with a broad brush.  In addition, the
UN's reputation in general taints an otherwise 60 year program with many
wonderful accomplishments.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 16:24:23 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:24:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
Message-ID: <410-2200510124232423656@earthlink.net>

Nice choice Arnie.  What color did you get?

Tim 


> [Original Message]
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 10/24/2005 1:02:44 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> YEP!  I really enjoyed having the Bessemer half-breed at Baraboo and
> Portland and really appreciated Dave dragging it out for me.  That's OK
> once, but not really a fair deal to request on a regular basis.  Add to
> that the fact that Steve Webre had a brand new truck and I started to
> consider the possibilities.  I was surprised that you could get a great
> iron hauler without spending $50K.  The bottom line was that after
> Portland I discussed trucks with friend spouse, did some research on the
> net, and went shopping.  I looked at and drove Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford,
> Toyota, and Nissan (all in the same size class).  I bought the Ford F-150
> (a 2005 model, 4X4, off road & tow packages, 5.4L V8, SuperCab, 6.5' bed,
> hard tonneau cover).  IMHO, the Ford was clearly the best truck.  PLEASE,
> let's NOT start a "best truck" thread.  8-))
>
> In the spring I go shopping for a nice 16' trailer.
>
> Anyone in the market for a cherry 2001 Jeep Wrangler?  The "Rubber Duckie"
> is for sale.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Gary Epps wrote:
>
> > Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?
>
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>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Oct 24 17:27:04 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:27:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241259500.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <102320051122.9973.435B726000008340000026F521979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>	<435C124B.7090508@fidnet.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241259500.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <435D7BD8.8080903@fidnet.com>

It sounds like you dun good!  If the earlier Ford 150 looked as good as 
the new ones do, I might have ended up with one instead of the Tundra. 
I have been really pleased with the Tundra though.

Have fun looking at trailers.  Something in the car hauler style might 
be of interest.  They seem to have lower, to none at all. side rails. 
Or you can build one dedicated to Bessie.

Lots of fun choices.

Gary

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> 
> YEP!  I really enjoyed having the Bessemer half-breed at Baraboo and
> Portland and really appreciated Dave dragging it out for me.  That's OK
> once, but not really a fair deal to request on a regular basis.  Add to
> that the fact that Steve Webre had a brand new truck and I started to
> consider the possibilities.  I was surprised that you could get a great
> iron hauler without spending $50K.  The bottom line was that after
> Portland I discussed trucks with friend spouse, did some research on the
> net, and went shopping.  I looked at and drove Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ford,
> Toyota, and Nissan (all in the same size class).  I bought the Ford F-150
> (a 2005 model, 4X4, off road & tow packages, 5.4L V8, SuperCab, 6.5' bed,
> hard tonneau cover).  IMHO, the Ford was clearly the best truck.  PLEASE,
> let's NOT start a "best truck" thread.  8-))
> 
> In the spring I go shopping for a nice 16' trailer.
> 
> Anyone in the market for a cherry 2001 Jeep Wrangler?  The "Rubber Duckie"
> is for sale.  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Gary Epps wrote:
> 
> 
>>Does this mean that Arnie has a new set of wheels?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From asouth at strato.net  Mon Oct 24 19:30:32 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:30:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT:  One More Time Chapter 2
Message-ID: <00f401c5d90c$132dc9d0$9500a8c0@ARTHUR>

We came through okay. Just a few tree limbs on the ground. Thanks to all who sent the well wishes while we were bugging out.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Arthur Southwell 
To: Antique John Deere mailing list ; Antique Tractor List ; Off Topic ; Old Engine.org ; ATIS-SEL 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: OT: One More Time


Hello List(s),
With hurricane Wilma taking aim at South Florida, I think it's time for us to tip toe out the door and go to my brother's house since it is concrete block. I have been cured of trying to ride out a hurricane in a mobile home. The radio in Port Charlotte Fla. says we can expect 55 to 70 MPH winds. That's strong enough for me to go somewhere else. I'll be back in a day or two, utilities permitting, to see what you guys and gals have been talking about. Any other Floridians in harms way, good luck to ya.

Arthur







Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 

From chesnimnus at juno.com  Mon Oct 24 21:24:24 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:24:24 GMT
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
Message-ID: <20051024.212502.2534.38132@webmail31.lax.untd.com>

It is a McCormick LBA to be specific.  (I do not just remember, but I believe it is a 2 horse unit.)  I got it in Colton, Oregon.  It is all there except for the hopper lid (typical), and the fuel tank and bottom rails (it looks like they were never there to begin with), and the valve cover.  It did not come with the air cleaner, which was an unusual option I understand.  It does not have a sheave, but I will not worry about that until I know what it will drive.  It is a gas motor.  The bottom welch plug is rusted through.  I am going to work on it over the winter so it is ready for the Great Western Binder Bee in July in Brooks, Oregon.  I talked to my friend Carl Wiese who works at Binder Books, and he has an LB parts manual and a hopper lid waiting to be delivered to me at my next IH truck club meeting.  I also have a 6" x 8" oak plank, some old (1940s-vintage) rubber wheels that I may use to make a cart for it.  

Questions I have:  

Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and Binder Books?  

Are there any other pieces of literature for it besides the little owner's manual?

Does anyone have a source for the welch (expansion) plugs made of stainless steel?  The smaller ones I have less of a problem finding, but the one big one (looks to be over 2" in diameter) may be a trick to find.  Or maybe someone knows that the ones that Hit 'N' Miss has are made of SS?  As long as I am doing this, I want to do it permanently.

Do the magneto caps offered new by Case/IH have the old round "IHC" logo, or the newer "IH" man-on-the-tractor logo?  If not, does anyone know if the ones that Hit 'N' Miss sells have the older or the newer logo?

Who is it that makes the adaptor that lets you use modern spark plugs in the head?

Does anyone know if Pertronix makes a solid-state kit to replace the points in the mag?

Can anyone think of a good older steel container that would make a good fuel tank?  I am thinking of mounting the tank next to the motor, instead of purchasing a replacement tank and rails, but only if it 'looks right'.  Otherwise, I will try to find an original tank and rails.  

Does anyone have a spare air cleaner?  This is the vertical Donaldson unit with the oil bath.  Not critical, but it would be nice.

What decals should it have?  I know there is the McCormick one on the hopper, and the metal ID tag (which I have), but I do not know what else is supposed to be on it.  Anyone know?

Does anyone have any suggestions for things to drive with it?  I know where a corn sheller and a mill are, and also an old water pump, but I was hoping to find something more useful than the sheller, or more unusual than the pump.  This is just going to be a toy to play with more than anything.

Thanks for any info you can offer.
-Colin Rush




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 04:03:40 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:03:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns! Now I got questions.
In-Reply-To: <20051024.212502.2534.38132@webmail31.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F79C04C2F2A410D8C53728C8760@phx.gbl>

Hi Colin,

The LA's and LB are nice running engines. I can only help with two of your 
questions......

Starbolt is another engine supplier

http://www.enginads.com/starbolt/

Not sure if it is the same manual that you have, but there is a manual for 
your engine here:

http://www.oldengine.org/docs/IHC_LA_OM.pdf

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "chesnimnus at juno.com" <chesnimnus at juno.com>
>
>Questions I have:
>
>Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and 
>Binder Books?
>
>Are there any other pieces of literature for it besides the little owner's 
>manual?
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 25 04:39:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:39:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Arnie's New Wheels
In-Reply-To: <410-2200510124232423656@earthlink.net>
References: <410-2200510124232423656@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510250738460.81571@vegeta.city-net.com>

Red (of course).  8-))

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Tim Christoff wrote:

> Nice choice Arnie.  What color did you get?


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Oct 25 05:38:59 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:38:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
Message-ID: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I have added some more progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Oct 25 06:24:40 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:24:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
In-Reply-To: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <435E3218.8030904@imc-group.com>

Patrick,
Nice pictures and it is really great when someone picture documents the 
journey to getting one running again. Your efforts are our entertainment.
Thanks for sharing.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

>I have added some more progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 25 06:29:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:29:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>

Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy. 
I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no 
joy.

  Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp 
Muncie @ Portland?

  Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's 
stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in the 
flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing, 
different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver hitch 
on the truck.

 Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.

"LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)

RickinMt. 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 07:44:42 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:44:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
Message-ID: <1d4.478f10c0.308f9eda@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/24/2005 9:36:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
chesnimnus at juno.com writes:
 

The  smaller ones I have less of a problem finding, but the one big one 
(looks to  be over 2" in diameter) may be a trick to find.  


Collin,
You want a Dorman 550-033 expansion plug which is available at some auto  
supply houses.  First, clean the mating surface (wire brush) on the engine  and 
then coat it with some RTV before inserting the plug.  Usually, one hit  with a 
larger ballpein hammer will do the job to lock the plug onto the engine.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Oct 25 08:23:58 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:23:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
Message-ID: <20051025.112719.824.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Excellent pics Patrick
Thanks for keeping us posted.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 09:22:17 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:22:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510250922w73cf0a2cl2c049cfddc2eb205@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no
> joy.
>
>   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> Muncie @ Portland?
>
>   Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
> stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in the
> flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
> different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver hitch
> on the truck.
>
>  Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
>
> "LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
>
> RickinMt.

Have you tried these contacts?

http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/moreinfo.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Oct 25 10:50:05 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510251342520.81571@vegeta.city-net.com>

Rick,

I think you'd have more luck via email.  But I think you need to be
patient.  As strange as it may seem, I don't think Doug checks his email
every day.  Maybe once a week.  I cc'd him on this reply.

The other thing you should consider is COME TO PORTLAND!!  Get some first
hand info on that Muncie!!  Oh, and while you're there enjoy the BIGGEST
engine show in the world!!

Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Only about 300 days till Portland 2006!!
PPS - I'd be more precise if Dave had updated his Portland Countdown!
      http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:

> Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no
> joy.
>
>   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> Muncie @ Portland?



From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 14:33:41 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:33:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
Message-ID: <203.d08c90e.308ffeb5@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/2005 12:36:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
chesnimnus at juno.com writes:

<< Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and 
Binder Books? >>


Starbolt Engine Supplies, MD     Starbolt4u at aol.com

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 16:19:47 2005
From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
In-Reply-To: <20051025123852.YTQL12238.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <20051025231947.50901.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>

I remember what Patrick's engine looked when it first came up to Edd's shop, come a long way since then.  A top notch Craftsman that Edd Payne is!

Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:I have added some more progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/


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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue Oct 25 16:42:20 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:42:20 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley
Message-ID: <20051025.164238.13640.29754@webmail22.lax.untd.com>

Hi Larry, the clutch pulley on the Desjardins engines are keyed (square) onto the crankshaft and held in place by a square headed set screw. I removed the pulley by a large square piece of 1/2" steel plate placed inside of the OD of the pulley. I used 2 pieces of 5/8" threaded rod with a flat bar puller on the crankshaft. She came off with out breaking anything. That is the best I can do... Joe Kelley


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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Oct 25 17:05:22 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:05:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns!  Now I got questions.
References: <20051024.212502.2534.38132@webmail31.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <006101c5d9c0$f853d900$58f14c0c@D48VHZ61>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chesnimnus at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:24 AM
Subject: [SEL] I got me one o' them thar LB enjuns! Now I got questions.


> It is a McCormick LBA to be specific.  (I do not just remember, but I 
> believe it is a 2 horse unit.)  I got it in Colton, Oregon.  It is all 
> there except for the hopper lid (typical), and the fuel tank and bottom 
> rails (it looks like they were never there to begin with), and the valve 
> cover.  It did not come with the air cleaner, which was an unusual option 
> I understand.  It does not have a sheave, but I will not worry about that 
> until I know what it will drive.  It is a gas motor.  The bottom welch 
> plug is rusted through.  I am going to work on it over the winter so it is 
> ready for the Great Western Binder Bee in July in Brooks, Oregon.  I 
> talked to my friend Carl Wiese who works at Binder Books, and he has an LB 
> parts manual and a hopper lid waiting to be delivered to me at my next IH 
> truck club meeting.  I also have a 6" x 8" oak plank, some old 
> (1940s-vintage) rubber wheels that I may use to make a cart for it.
>
> Questions I have:
>
> Are there any other parts sources beside Hit 'N' Miss Enterprises and 
> Binder Books?
>
> Are there any other pieces of literature for it besides the little owner's 
> manual?
>
> Does anyone have a source for the welch (expansion) plugs made of 
> stainless steel?  The smaller ones I have less of a problem finding, but 
> the one big one (looks to be over 2" in diameter) may be a trick to find. 
> Or maybe someone knows that the ones that Hit 'N' Miss has are made of SS? 
> As long as I am doing this, I want to do it permanently.
>
> Do the magneto caps offered new by Case/IH have the old round "IHC" logo, 
> or the newer "IH" man-on-the-tractor logo?  If not, does anyone know if 
> the ones that Hit 'N' Miss sells have the older or the newer logo?
>
> Who is it that makes the adaptor that lets you use modern spark plugs in 
> the head?
>
> Does anyone know if Pertronix makes a solid-state kit to replace the 
> points in the mag?
>
> Can anyone think of a good older steel container that would make a good 
> fuel tank?  I am thinking of mounting the tank next to the motor, instead 
> of purchasing a replacement tank and rails, but only if it 'looks right'. 
> Otherwise, I will try to find an original tank and rails.
>
> Does anyone have a spare air cleaner?  This is the vertical Donaldson unit 
> with the oil bath.  Not critical, but it would be nice.
>
> What decals should it have?  I know there is the McCormick one on the 
> hopper, and the metal ID tag (which I have), but I do not know what else 
> is supposed to be on it.  Anyone know?
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for things to drive with it?  I know 
> where a corn sheller and a mill are, and also an old water pump, but I was 
> hoping to find something more useful than the sheller, or more unusual 
> than the pump.  This is just going to be a toy to play with more than 
> anything.
>
> Thanks for any info you can offer.
> -Colin Rush
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Oct 25 18:22:31 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:22:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>


>Unfortunately, there is little record of what was discussed this year,
>although I do remember a conversation about the Charity proceeds on
>the day after the dinner/auction in which the scholarship was
>mentioned.
>Perhaps we need to set this out a little more formally so that at
>least the full-grown idea can be viewed and likely funding needs
>discussed?  methinks that it would take more than was raised at this
>year's two auctions?
>Peter

Hi Peter,
         I have recorder the minutes (with details of the discussions) of 
all SEL meetings at Portland where this (and many other) topic(s) were 
discussed. Once I have typed them up and checked with others who attended 
the meetings(whose names I am sworn not revel) in order to insure that they 
are in proper order and that nothing was missed I will forward them to 
Spencer via OWL.
         Dave
PS, Please forget the conversation that you overheard. This whole effort is 
secret and only those invited to the secret meetings (and were informed of 
the secret hand shake and finger sign) were to be involved in any further 
discussion/conversation. If you are foolish to post to the List about it 
again I will be forced to inform "M" about what you are doing.
PPS, Nagani will be watching you and will be informing me as to your 
activities--be VERY careful!



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 25 19:54:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:54:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160510250922w73cf0a2cl2c049cfddc2eb205@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7D8DCB5E9C447630C5119BB690@phx.gbl>

Yup Patrick but it was during the day..gambled someone would be 
retired...Will try them at night

thanks for the reply

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie


> On 10/25/05, Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> > I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also 
> > no
> > joy.
> >
> >   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> > Muncie @ Portland?
> >
> >   Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
> > stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in 
> > the
> > flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
> > different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver 
> > hitch
> > on the truck.
> >
> >  Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
> >
> > "LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
> >
> > RickinMt.
>
> Have you tried these contacts?
>
> http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/moreinfo.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Oct 25 19:57:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:57:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
References: <BAY5-DAV1109858460C0C785651C8EBB760@phx.gbl>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510251342520.81571@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV196C274A0A149F2F2AE2FFBB690@phx.gbl>

yea pard..I totally agree!! but until they get that butt buggy 
prob..figgered out.''well, I'd better stay home
:-((((

Thanks!!
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Doug Etzkorn" <dncetz at watchtv.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland


> Rick,
>
> I think you'd have more luck via email.  But I think you need to be
> patient.  As strange as it may seem, I don't think Doug checks his email
> every day.  Maybe once a week.  I cc'd him on this reply.
>
> The other thing you should consider is COME TO PORTLAND!!  Get some first
> hand info on that Muncie!!  Oh, and while you're there enjoy the BIGGEST
> engine show in the world!!
>
> Good luck!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Only about 300 days till Portland 2006!!
> PPS - I'd be more precise if Dave had updated his Portland Countdown!
>       http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> > Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> > I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also 
> > no
> > joy.
> >
> >   Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> > Muncie @ Portland?
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Oct 25 21:05:41 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:05:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Resister for LED lights (OT)
Message-ID: <4gt14t$506ac0@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

A few weeks back there was some discussion about trailer lights and fitting
a resister to stop LED flashers from flashing to fast. Can't find the
relevant posts. Does anyone have the info? ie.what resister value to use?
Ray Freeman


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 04:03:16 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:03:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160510260403g14624104u532b72b5cf314737@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>          I have recorder the minutes (with details of the discussions) of
> all SEL meetings at Portland where this (and many other) topic(s) were
> discussed. Once I have typed them up and checked with others who attended
> the meetings(whose names I am sworn not revel) in order to insure that they
> are in proper order and that nothing was missed I will forward them to
> Spencer via OWL.
>          Dave
> PS, Please forget the conversation that you overheard. This whole effort is
> secret and only those invited to the secret meetings (and were informed of
> the secret hand shake and finger sign) were to be involved in any further
> discussion/conversation. If you are foolish to post to the List about it
> again I will be forced to inform "M" about what you are doing.
> PPS, Nagani will be watching you and will be informing me as to your
> activities--be VERY careful!

Oooooooooooohhh!!

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Oct 26 06:42:26 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:42:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
Message-ID: <4gt14t$50uajm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem with
blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head. The
head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem. It
will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so we
stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and is
running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at all.
Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
Ray Freeman


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Oct 26 06:09:16 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:09:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover Pics
References: <20051025231947.50901.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c5da2e$791817a0$2c85dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanks Nick and all others who commented on the Stover work.I really enjoy a
challenge in making parts like this and the final result is very satisfying
when it turns out OK. My son Darren has done a lot of the repair work on
this engine and he is real good at it but he doesn't like engines much which
is unfortunate,He prefers Golf and cricket and is OK at both these
sports.Every one to his own.The only problem with this job is that it has to
go back to Patrick.It would look better in my shed next to the YB throttler
and the YB hit miss.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fuller & Johnson" <fuller_johnson at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:19
Subject: Re: [SEL] YC Stover Pics


> I remember what Patrick's engine looked when it first came up to Edd's
shop, come a long way since then.  A top notch Craftsman that Edd Payne is!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:I have added some more
progress pics of my YC Stover to my site at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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>
> Cheers!  NICK
>
>
> Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web!
>
> "He who sees the other first already has half the victory."   Erich
Hartmann
>
> "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt"  Hans Rudel
>
>
>
>
>
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From gwaugh at wowway.com  Wed Oct 26 07:07:35 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:07:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auctions & The SEL Scholarship
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160510260403g14624104u532b72b5cf314737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200509260010080062.066C0D80@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510222325510093.00F449C7@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147160468.039B14C6@heavyiron.atis.net>	<200510231147260406.039B3B98@heavyiron.atis.net>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510241204340.64503@vegeta.city-net.com>	<6f6025160510241353v4e0969beje124943d5ba78bc8@mail.gmail.com>	<6.1.2.0.0.20051025210509.04a62f60@mail.alltel.net>
	<6f6025160510260403g14624104u532b72b5cf314737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <435F8DA7.8050709@wowway.com>


Dave, I just hope that you don't "revel" in those names TOO much!

Gene

>On 10/26/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Peter,
>>         I have recorder the minutes (with details of the discussions) of
>>all SEL meetings at Portland where this (and many other) topic(s) were
>>discussed. Once I have typed them up and checked with others who attended
>>the meetings(whose names I am sworn not revel) in order to insure that they
>>are in proper order and that nothing was missed I will forward them to
>>Spencer via OWL.
>>         Dave
>>PS, Please forget the conversation that you overheard. This whole effort is
>>secret and only those invited to the secret meetings (and were informed of
>>the secret hand shake and finger sign) were to be involved in any further
>>discussion/conversation. If you are foolish to post to the List about it
>>again I will be forced to inform "M" about what you are doing.
>>PPS, Nagani will be watching you and will be informing me as to your
>>activities--be VERY careful!
>>    
>>
>
>  
>



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Oct 26 09:13:43 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:13:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
Message-ID: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

Don't let the Butt Buggy issue scare ya away.

I rode my PLanet Jr. all over the place - no questions asked.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com  Wed Oct 26 10:04:36 2005
From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill Calvert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:04:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
Message-ID: <A86F9DD0A209764988B45297FD9F7E7302AAB2@hp-dl380-g4.CalvertMcBride.local>

Ray

I have an engine with similar problems and I think my timing is to slow.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Freeman Portable Line Boring
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:42 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse

I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem
with
blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head.
The
head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem.
It
will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so
we
stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and
is
running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
all.
Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
Ray Freeman
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Oct 26 10:10:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
In-Reply-To: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0510261305390.98659@vegeta.city-net.com>

BTW Rick,

If you have a medical need (letter from your doctor that you NEED a butt
buggy to get around), the folks at Portland will issue you a permit with
no hassle whatsoever.

If, OTOH, you're just too fat and lazy to walk, you will get grief for
using a butt buggy and contributing to traffic problems.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Dave hands out stickers that say "Fat and handicapped are NOT the
     same thing."

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Don't let the Butt Buggy issue scare ya away.
> I rode my PLanet Jr. all over the place - no questions asked.
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Oct 26 11:06:59 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:06:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <4gt14t$50uajm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <01d301c5da58$10794f50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> It does not fire regularly and is
> running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will 
> not run at all.
> Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.

Hi Ray,
Sometimes a weak spark or a bad sparkplug will cause the engine to exhibit the
symptoms you described.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 







From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Oct 26 11:10:46 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:10:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <A86F9DD0A209764988B45297FD9F7E7302AAB2@hp-dl380-g4.CalvertMcBride.local>
References: <A86F9DD0A209764988B45297FD9F7E7302AAB2@hp-dl380-g4.CalvertMcBride.local>
Message-ID: <435FC6A6.8010700@imc-group.com>

Bill,
I would order a new compensator spring from Starbolt or Hit and Miss. A 
spring too stiff will make the mixture too rich and impossible to set 
the mix right. Eliminate that variable with the new spring. Then you are 
down to check valve and mixture control. How does the taper on the 
needle valve look?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray
>Freeman Portable Line Boring
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:42 AM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
>
>I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem
>with
>blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head.
>The
>head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
>problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem.
>It
>will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
>gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so
>we
>stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and
>is
>running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
>all.
>Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
>Ray Freeman
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Oct 26 11:12:39 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:12:39 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
References: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0510261305390.98659@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <435FC717.C54F171A@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Rick

On our first trip to Portland in 1999, butt buggy restrictions weren't so
tight.  I was only a few months out of a wheelchair myself, having been
semi-paralysed with MS, but I found the inability to walk the big distances
Portland involves was a great way to meet new people.  When I got tired, I'd
just ask the nearest exhibitor if I could sit on one of his chairs for  a
while!!!  Simple.

Dolly

Arnie Fero wrote:

> BTW Rick,
>
> If you have a medical need (letter from your doctor that you NEED a butt
> buggy to get around), the folks at Portland will issue you a permit with
> no hassle whatsoever.
>

--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Oct 26 13:07:05 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:07:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
Message-ID: <001801c5da68$d97059c0$666a0b42@computer>

RickinMt.
  Our engine was adj. to the Muncie engine this past year @ Portland and the
Muncie was just parked by the Portland club members and  a static display.
Supposedly the club member that usually ran the Muncie was peeved and did
not attend.  It will be posible for me to contact some of the members and
get details on the Muncie within the next couple of monthes if you are still
interested at that time.     George
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Muncie


>Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
>I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also no
>joy.
>
>  Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
>Muncie @ Portland?
>
>  Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
>stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in
the
>flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
>different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver hitch
>on the truck.
>
> Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
>
>"LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
>
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From tilinghast at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 26 15:22:33 2005
From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <4gt14t$50uajm@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <20051026222233.86995.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>

Ray,
  I had a similar problem with a 5hp Economy and it turned out the check ball in the fuel line was sticking.
   Dave.

Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring <plb at iinet.net.au> wrote:
I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem with
blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head. The
head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem. It
will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so we
stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and is
running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at all.
Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
Ray Freeman
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Oct 26 16:07:48 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:07:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
Message-ID: <4ck04t$1jp1beb@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net>


 It does not fire regularly and
> >is
> >running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
> >all.
> >Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
> >Ray Freeman

This sounds like an ignition problem. A rich mixture is easier to fire, but it won't clear up, lean it out and it dies. Check the fire and the spark plug.
J.B. Castagnos


From lsain33 at charter.net  Wed Oct 26 17:42:40 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:42:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Clutch Pulley
References: <20051025.164238.13640.29754@webmail22.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <013101c5da8f$5c092990$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Thanks, Joe.  Here is a link to some photos of the stuck pulley.  Does yours
look similar?  The second photo is taken from the inside of the flywheel and
shows a collar which appears to have a set bolt in it, but the pulley
rotates free on the shaft so I don't think it's holding it in place, just
acting as a spacer.  Mystery to me.  I was hoping someone had a diagram of
such a pulley but no such luck.  Take care.

Larry

http://www.oldiron-nut.com/pulley/

----- Original Message -----
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Clutch Pulley


> Hi Larry, the clutch pulley on the Desjardins engines are keyed (square)
onto the crankshaft and held in place by a square headed set screw. I
removed the pulley by a large square piece of 1/2" steel plate placed inside
of the OD of the pulley. I used 2 pieces of 5/8" threaded rod with a flat
bar puller on the crankshaft. She came off with out breaking anything. That
is the best I can do... Joe Kelley
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Oct 26 18:55:28 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:55:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Jokelist
Message-ID: <002701c5daa3$24916540$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>



Anyone not on who should / wants to be.

Also, Broadband or not. I dont send video clips to those who aint BB

As you see, back from the trip!   Wonderful but exhasting. Still sleeping it off.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 20:21:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:21:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] How I did It - Fuel Filler - Hercules Economy
Message-ID: <6.503971b1.3091a1ce@aol.com>

Hi List,
The fuel filler on the Economy uses a flip top lid.  Since  this engine had 
been using a pipe plug for lid, I decided to make  one.
A 3/8' x 1" bell pipe reducer was used as the basis for the  fabrication.  I 
thread a piece of 3/8" pipe to the reducer and chucked  it in the lathe.  I 
machined out  the inside of 1" side and also trued  up the lip edge and rim.  
Next, I used a hole saw (same diameter as the  machined reducer rim) to make the 
top out of a piece of 1/4" plate.  Then,  I used a piece of 1/2" dia x 3/4" 
round stock to make the lid hinge part.   A 3/16" dia was drill through length 
of the round stock.  The round  hinge piece was welded to lid so that the top 
of the lid is even with the  top of the round stock.  Two pieces of 3/16" flat 
x 3/4" wide x 1"  long iron were shaped to fit the sides of the bushing 
reducer to form the  other part of the hinge.  3/16" holes were drilled into each 
of the upper  part of the shaped pieces using the welded lid hinge to locate 
them.  A #12  bolt was used to hold the shaped parts to lid hinge.  Then, the 
flat shaped  pieces were ground to match the 1/2" dia stock and fit the outside 
of the  bell reducer.  The lid (along with bolted shaped iron pieces) was  
temporarily clamped to the top of bell reducer rim to mainain the position  the 
two shaped flat iron pieces before being welded to bell reducer  sides.   After 
these shaped pieces are welded to bell reducer, the  bolt was removed.  Since 
my welding is not the best, the welds were ground  smooth and JB Weld was 
used to clean up the assembly.  A large cotter  key was used as the hinge rod.  I 
used a short 1/4" dia bolt and an  Acorn nut to hide the 1/4" hole in the lid 
left over from using the hole  saw.  The unit looks good mounted on the 
engine.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 20:46:32 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:46:32 EDT
Subject: [SEL] {SEL] A Unique Use of a Ford Model T Flywheel and Magneto Coil
Message-ID: <1f5.15475c2c.3091a798@aol.com>

Hi List,
When I purchased the Hercules Economy engine, I was given several  old copies 
of the "Gas Engine Magazine" and "Engineers & Engines".  In  the December - 
January, 88 - 89 copy of "Engineers & Engines" on page  43, there is a very 
interesting article by Michael Carwood of Wicklow,  Ireland.  He was in the 
process of building a Ford Model T magneto  demonstrator.  He only thing that he 
had built at that time was a  frame and arbor to hold a Ford Model T flywheel 
and magneto  coils.  This assembly was turned by an electric motor to generate 
magneto  voltage.  
Mr. Carwood ultimate goal was to turn the Ford Model T flywheel  with a buzz 
coil ignition hit miss engine.  Then, show that the engine  could be started 
with a battery and subsequently switched to Ford Model T  magneto.
I wonder if Mr. Carwood ever finished this project.  Perhaps,  someone has 
seen this unit or a similar setup.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 21:11:08 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:11:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <da.301f278f.3091ad5c@aol.com>

Hi List,
While I was visiting my local magneto repair shop today, I noticed  a diesel 
starter motor with a mounted oil pump.  I was told that this  starter motor is 
designed to pressurize the engine's oil system before  engaging the bendix 
solenoid  to the flywheel and turn over the engine to  start it.  
I remember that we had to turn over our diesel tractor engine with  the pony 
engine until the oil system on the diesel was pressurized before  opening the 
diesel fuel rack.
Is this a common practice to pressurize diesel engine's internal  oil system 
prior to starting?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Oct 27 03:02:46 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:02:46 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
In-Reply-To: <435FC6A6.8010700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4gv4k9$cp5opr@mail-iinet.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au>

Thanks all,my guess now is a combination of compensator spring and weak
spark. The fuel supply is OK. Getting heaps of fuel up into the mixer. The
spark was weak so the mag needs some attention.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2005 2:11 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse

Bill,
I would order a new compensator spring from Starbolt or Hit and Miss. A 
spring too stiff will make the mixture too rich and impossible to set 
the mix right. Eliminate that variable with the new spring. Then you are 
down to check valve and mixture control. How does the taper on the 
needle valve look?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray
>Freeman Portable Line Boring
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:42 AM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse
>
>I been working tonight on a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z. It had a problem
>with
>blowing head gaskets and we have machined the block face and the head.
>The
>head went back on tonight and that part of the restoration is OK. The
>problem is that it runs but only barely. It seems to be a fuel problem.
>It
>will only run by choking by covering the intake with a hand. The mixer
>gasket is sealing. The compensator appeared to have to weak a spring so
>we
>stiffened that with slight improvement. It does not fire regularly and
>is
>running far to rich and if the mixture is leaned off it will not run at
>all.
>Any help to sort this out will be appreciated.
>Ray Freeman
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 06:03:41 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:03:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <53.330e4343.30922a2d@aol.com>

Hi Francis,
Yes, I think it is common for a diesel to have oil pressure before starting, 
or, if not common, very desirable.  

My Yanmar 155D small (15 HP, 2 cylinder) diesel tractor owner's manual 
suggests this starting procedure:  open fuel petcock, pull speed control to stop, 
turn on the electric switch and note the oil pressure light is glowing red,  
release the compression, crank the engine (electric starter) until the oil 
pressure light goes out and then, after closing the compression release,  advance 
the speed control whereupon it will start.  I do believe Yanmar wants an oil 
cushion between the bearing surfaces before that diesel starts knocking, and it 
does knock a little at start.  Having the compression released certainly makes 
it easier on the starter motor as the cranking time to get the oil light out 
is 20 seconds or more.

An old military surplus aircooled diesel generator set I have instructs one 
to release compression, crank until the oil pressure gauge reads normal, then 
give it compression and crank until it starts.  Again, oil pressure is 
desirable before running. 

I have some of the China diesels with oil pumps, and they want you to crank 
until you see the tell-tale oil pressure indicator pop up before releasing the 
compression lever.  These don't have gauges, just a little rod that extends 
from a springloaded piston/cylinder and receives pressure from the oil pump.  
When there is pressure, the little rod rises a quarter inch or so.  No pressure, 
and it drops back out of sight.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia

In a message dated 10/27/2005 12:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
Is this a common practice to pressurize diesel engine's internal  oil system 
prior to starting?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 06:16:57 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:16:57 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <f7.5c274140.30922d49@aol.com>

Francis;
 
No it is not a common practice, I have two Ford diesel pickups and neither  
have this item, they make preluber's for diesel engines that you can add on but 
 they are pretty expensive, around $600.00, you can turn them on and build 
oil  pressure before starting the engine, I have heard this is when you have the 
 greatest wear on an engine is after starting and until oil pressure comes  
up.
 
See'ya, 
 
Bill Miller


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 09:25:14 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:25:14 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <e0.1f39aba1.3092596a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 6:35:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
BillMil357 at aol.com writes:

No it is  not a common practice, I have two Ford diesel pickups and neither   
have this item, they make preluber's for diesel engines that you can add  on 
but 
they are pretty expensive, around $600.00, you can turn them on and  build 
oil  pressure before starting the engine, I have heard this is  when you have 
the 
greatest wear on an engine is after starting and until  oil pressure comes  



Thanks Bill  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 09:27:24 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:27:24 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <1b8.1ed54f30.309259ec@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 6:37:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

Yes, I  think it is common for a diesel to have oil pressure before starting, 
or,  if not common, very desirable


Thanks  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Thu Oct 27 09:40:49 2005
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:40:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks 118
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510261410030.9646-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510271140020.25958-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

I've been wondering about this for a long time, but the Fairbanks 118 has
a sight glass for the oil level in the back near the base. Does anyone
know what the proper oil level should be? Should the sight glass be full
or not?
Andrew.

>From Andrew at
tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
b10730 at hotmail.com

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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 10:16:08 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:16:08 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <223.1263bd0.30926558@aol.com>

Whoa, I didn't mean it was not desirable, I just said it was not too common  
to see a preluber on a diesel, I sure wish both of my diesels had a means of  
bringing the oil pressure up before starting.
 
See'ya, Bill.


From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us  Thu Oct 27 10:56:35 2005
From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:56:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Choices
Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A705AD94D8@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>

Might give these folks a look-see. Don't know how you can beat the
efficiency of 99.3% going to the programs. These guys get my bucks.
Their admin expenses are very low, because most everyone in the
organization is a volunteer. 

Heart to Heart International is an old-fashioned charity - that is, they
don't have fund-raising campaigns as such. When there is a need, the
media, especially locally, gives them the exposure to make their appeal,
and they have a large network of corporate givers, including a number of
the big pharmaceutical makers. (The founder, Dr Gary Morsch, is a
physician.)

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3807.
htm


Their own website:

http://www.hearttoheart.org/


"Careful monitoring of administrative, fundraising and general expenses
allows us to, on average, leverage every $1 gift into more than $25
worth of life-saving medicines and supplies for people in need all over
the world. Read about our commitment to the highest standards of
excellence in product donation and distributions."

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From paul at semidiesel.com  Thu Oct 27 14:32:20 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:32:20 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Rabbit In Headlights
In-Reply-To: <200510231711080734.04C39810@heavyiron.atis.net>
References: <IEEFINLAFGLMLPHHMEBMEEICCHAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
	<200510231711080734.04C39810@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <43614764.1050604@semidiesel.com>

Hi Guys,
We are all still sat here doing a passable impression of a rabbit caught 
in main beam, quite stunned.

We would like to thank everyone for a very generous donation. It will be 
treated as restricted funding and applied to a specific project, we will 
post details when done.

We have a current "Top Secret" project going to rescue a particularly 
rare engine which will be the likely use, more details when we have done 
the removal from site.

Thanks
Paul & Hazel

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 27 07:07:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:07:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
References: <53.330e4343.30922a2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV242C9653B8EDF50A4D5AA1BB6B0@phx.gbl>

Francis;
  On the neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts up the 
pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then engage 
the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up and then 
release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good idea to have 
the pressure up.

  On some military engines the starter button must be held in until oil 
pressure is up..if released early it will die....kewl low oil pressure 
safety device.


Have a nice day..will paint a border around the new small museum today. 
Line shafting machinery is getting cleaned and painted up and only want to 
move it once.

RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 27 07:08:15 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:08:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland
References: <20051026.124641.1392.1.jlb94@juno.com><Pine.BSF.4.51.0510261305390.98659@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<435FC717.C54F171A@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7CEC9E1AC70A78866169CBB6B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Helen and Arnie...THAT IS GOOD NEWS!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie Engine at Portland


> Hi Rick
>
> On our first trip to Portland in 1999, butt buggy restrictions weren't so
> tight.  I was only a few months out of a wheelchair myself, having been
> semi-paralysed with MS, but I found the inability to walk the big 
> distances
> Portland involves was a great way to meet new people.  When I got tired, 
> I'd
> just ask the nearest exhibitor if I could sit on one of his chairs for  a
> while!!!  Simple.
>
> Dolly
>
> Arnie Fero wrote:
>
> > BTW Rick,
> >
> > If you have a medical need (letter from your doctor that you NEED a butt
> > buggy to get around), the folks at Portland will issue you a permit with
> > no hassle whatsoever.
> >
>
> --
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Oct 27 07:09:50 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:09:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Muncie
References: <001801c5da68$d97059c0$666a0b42@computer>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV218085017F23D82A0E529CBB6B0@phx.gbl>

George..thanx for the offer..will keep that in mind.  I'll try the club's 
POC's at early nightime.

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George & Norma Armstrong" <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Muncie


> RickinMt.
>   Our engine was adj. to the Muncie engine this past year @ Portland and 
> the
> Muncie was just parked by the Portland club members and  a static display.
> Supposedly the club member that usually ran the Muncie was peeved and did
> not attend.  It will be posible for me to contact some of the members and
> get details on the Muncie within the next couple of monthes if you are 
> still
> interested at that time.     George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:59 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Muncie
>
>
> >Arn and others..I've tried to get Doug Etzkorns phone number but no joy.
> >I've also tried to call the people listed on the Portland website..also 
> >no
> >joy.
> >
> >  Any other ideas on how I might contact someone to get info on the 50hp
> >Muncie @ Portland?
> >
> >  Friday I'm headed down to dig out the flywheels and see if she's
> >stuck..sure wish I knew the dimensions of the "bar over" square holes in
> the
> >flywheel...Thinking of building a bar with removable square tubing,
> >different sized tips...and "come along" from the bar to the receiver 
> >hitch
> >on the truck.
> >
> > Any other ideas on checking for stuck..would be appreciated.
> >
> >"LIVE IS GOOD" (stolen)
> >
> >RickinMt.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 19:52:50 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:52:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <29.7e57cf3e.3092ec82@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts up the  
pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then  engage 
the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and then 
release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to have 
the pressure up.


Rick,
That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years  (50) ago. 
 However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this compression 
release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I 
recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure was up to start 
the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut down by 
turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave gasoline in  
carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to close  the 
throttle rack which had a locking pin.
There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a  pre-pressurized oil 
system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator that was 
hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus, accumulator 
could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In parallel with 
this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This solenoid 
valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action would 
pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't know what 
happened to this company.   

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 19:57:46 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:57:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction Contribution to Tod Engine
Message-ID: <00db01c5db6b$60034da0$64bed2cc@pengy>

Thanks so much for the contribution to the Tod Engine Foundation from the ATIS Charity Auction.  

One of our goals for this year is electric service to the Tod Engine Heritage Park.  Ohio Edison quoted me a price of $2700 for their part of the work which includes poles and transformers.  With the ATIS contribution and another generous contribution from a SEL member we now have enough to have the power lines run to the property.  

We are having a 480Y/277 volt 3 phase 4 wire service put in with enough amperage to run a 50kw induction melting furnace in addition to our normal load.  

Thanks everyone for nearly a decade of support of this project.  Who would have thought when the original wrecking crew was being rounded up from the SEL nine years ago how far this engine project would progress.  

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Fri Oct 28 03:46:56 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:46:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Jokelist
In-Reply-To: <002701c5daa3$24916540$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <002701c5daa3$24916540$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <436201A0.3030006@wightman.ca>

Hi Reg,

Welcome back! Hope you enjoyed your trip. Jokes are always welcome here 
and I have high speed.

Duncan


R & M Ingold wrote:

>Anyone not on who should / wants to be.
>
>Also, Broadband or not. I dont send video clips to those who aint BB
>
>As you see, back from the trip!   Wonderful but exhasting. Still sleeping it off.
>
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
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>  
>


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 06:57:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:57:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
References: <29.7e57cf3e.3092ec82@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV22B59F0A1CC88700DAC720BB6B0@phx.gbl>

Francis;
  I remember the compression release lever was close to the pony 
motor..should have mentioned that is opened prior to cranking..believe it 
keeps the exhaust valves open.  It may have also shut the injectors 
down..never thought about it until now.  His was a '57..can't remember now 
how the engine was shut down..had to shut the fuel off somehow..on his newer 
grader one just pulls up hard on the foot throttle.


It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an 
accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine was 
shut off.


Well catcha later,
RickinMt.







---- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump


>
> In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts up 
> the
> pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then 
> engage
> the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and then
> release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to have
> the pressure up.
>
>
> Rick,
> That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years  (50) 
> ago.
>  However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this 
> compression
> release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I
> recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure was 
> up to start
> the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut down 
> by
> turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave gasoline 
> in
> carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to close 
> the
> throttle rack which had a locking pin.
> There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a  pre-pressurized 
> oil
> system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator 
> that was
> hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus, accumulator
> could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In parallel 
> with
> this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This 
> solenoid
> valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action would
> pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't 
> know what
> happened to this company.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From Howard.Bottles at austin.ppdi.com  Fri Oct 28 07:57:20 2005
From: Howard.Bottles at austin.ppdi.com (Howard Bottles)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:57:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
Message-ID: <CF2FA423CD2E274985A38D8E368A7E16761D53@AUSMAIL01.americas.ppdi.local>

On my JD 730D I push down on the decomp pedal, crank the engine until
the oil pressure comes up, then relase the decomp pedal and let it crank
3-4 revs on full comp w/o fuel to heat the cylinders, the put some
throttle on it and she lights right off

Howard 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:57 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump

Francis;
  I remember the compression release lever was close to the pony
motor..should have mentioned that is opened prior to cranking..believe
it keeps the exhaust valves open.  It may have also shut the injectors
down..never thought about it until now.  His was a '57..can't remember
now how the engine was shut down..had to shut the fuel off somehow..on
his newer grader one just pulls up hard on the foot throttle.


It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an
accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine
was shut off.


Well catcha later,
RickinMt.







---- Original Message -----
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump


>
> In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts
up 
> the
> pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then 
> engage
> the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and
then
> release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to
have
> the pressure up.
>
>
> Rick,
> That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years
(50) 
> ago.
>  However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this 
> compression
> release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I
> recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure
was 
> up to start
> the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut
down 
> by
> turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave
gasoline 
> in
> carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to
close 
> the
> throttle rack which had a locking pin.
> There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a
pre-pressurized 
> oil
> system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator

> that was
> hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus,
accumulator
> could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In
parallel 
> with
> this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This 
> solenoid
> valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action
would
> pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't

> know what
> happened to this company.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 08:33:15 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:33:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
References: <CF2FA423CD2E274985A38D8E368A7E16761D53@AUSMAIL01.americas.ppdi.local>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1238505D7AB18C7BCA44C0BB6B0@phx.gbl>

Howard..that's basically how he does it with his newer Cat12 in the cooler 
weather..no pony.  Cranks for 5-10 seconds and then preheats.  Works real 
good.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Bottles" <Howard.Bottles at austin.ppdi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump


> On my JD 730D I push down on the decomp pedal, crank the engine until
> the oil pressure comes up, then relase the decomp pedal and let it crank
> 3-4 revs on full comp w/o fuel to heat the cylinders, the put some
> throttle on it and she lights right off
>
> Howard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:57 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
>
> Francis;
>   I remember the compression release lever was close to the pony
> motor..should have mentioned that is opened prior to cranking..believe
> it keeps the exhaust valves open.  It may have also shut the injectors
> down..never thought about it until now.  His was a '57..can't remember
> now how the engine was shut down..had to shut the fuel off somehow..on
> his newer grader one just pulls up hard on the foot throttle.
>
>
> It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an
> accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine
> was shut off.
>
>
> Well catcha later,
> RickinMt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 10/27/2005 7:11:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
> >
> > On the  neighbors  old Cat12 grader with the pony engine..one starts
> up
> > the
> > pony first (the pony exhaust heats up the main intake manifold) then
> > engage
> > the pony, bend your neck around to see if the oil pressure is up  and
> then
> > release the compression release.  Me thinks it's just a good  idea to
> have
> > the pressure up.
> >
> >
> > Rick,
> > That is the way I remember starting the D4 on the ranch many years
> (50)
> > ago.
> >  However, the compression release mode is new to  me.  Does this
> > compression
> > release cycle come into play when the  throttle rack is closed?  All I
> > recollect is opening the throttle (fuel)  rack when the oil pressure
> was
> > up to start
> > the diesel.  Once the  diesel was started, the pony engine was shut
> down
> > by
> > turning its  fuel supply valve off as my Dad didn't like to leave
> gasoline
> > in
> > carburetor.  To shut down the diesel, all that had to be done was to
> close
> > the
> > throttle rack which had a locking pin.
> > There was a company in Oregon (1950's era) that sold a
> pre-pressurized
> > oil
> > system for automobiles.  I believe it had a spring  loaded accumulator
>
> > that was
> > hooked up to the engine oil system with a check  valve.  Thus,
> accumulator
> > could be pressurized with the engine oil and not  leak down.  In
> parallel
> > with
> > this check valve was an  electrical  solenoid operated valve.  This
> > solenoid
> > valve was activated when the  starter was energized and this action
> would
> > pressurize the engine's oil system  when starting the engine.  I don't
>
> > know what
> > happened to this company.
> >
> > Francis  Maciel
> > Santa Maria, CA
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 08:51:27 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:51:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Deliver failures
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV88A18AB019359BA59C965BB6B0@phx.gbl>

  Wonder why in the past day..I'm getting "delivery failures" in the inbox 
after I post?


hmmm..oh well

RickinMt. 


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 09:53:53 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:53:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <21e.138d720.3093b1a1@aol.com>

Hi Rick,

We have a Winnebago w/Renault 2 liter turbodiesel that has an accumulator.  
It looks to be about 1 1/2 quarts in size, is cylindrical and hangs on the 
firewall with an oil line coming up from the turbo bearing area into the bottom of 
the accumulator.  I think, since the accumulator is closed except for the 
bottom intake, oil is pushed into it by the oil pump pressure and stays there 
(more or less depending on engine speed and oil pressure) until you shut down the 
engine, whereupon the remaining oil in the accumulator, a quart or so, flows 
back through the turbo bearing, cooling it.  Because the accumulator is an 
after-market item and it takes some of the oil from the lubrication system, I 
always ran an extra quart of oil in the engine so there would be plenty in the 
crankcase at all times.

As an aside, I thought I had the Winnie sold yesterday until when we tried to 
start it we found a leaking seal on the front of the injection pump.  I have 
a spare engine with pump, but don't care to install it.  The potential buyer 
wants to think about it little while and may come back for it, but, in the 
meantime, I am open for offers.  If anyone has an interest in an 84 Winnebago with 
(stationary engine at the moment) turbodiesel, leaking roof, small (sleeps 
four) light (6000 LB) and good mileage (22-25) and comes with spare parts 
including transaxle and most of another engine, take it off list and contact me at 
maytagtwin at aol.com.  Even unreasonable offers are considered. 

On the topic of starting diesel engines that have long been parked:  Ye
sterday we started two Datsun pickups, one of which had not been started in 17 
years, the other 12 years.  Then, we started a Mercedes diesel which had been 
sitting 7 years.  All had been running when parked.  With all, using a mix of motor 
oil and gasoline, and, towing in gear did the trick.  After a few minutes of 
running, the smoke cleared and the engines ran smoothly.  I am now even more 
impressed with the durability of these little diesel engines.  These vehicles 
will all have new homes.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia, home of the rapidly depleting stock of diesel vehicles

 



In a message dated 10/28/2005 10:31:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an 
accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine was 
shut off.


Well catcha later,
RickinMt.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 16:35:48 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:35:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <fc.1f0ce067.30940fd4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:01:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

<< Nokesville, Virginia, home of the rapidly depleting stock of diesel 
vehicles >>


Geesh Ron, I cannot believe you are surely running out of items in that yard 
to get rid of!  What has it been now since you started, 3 years?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 16:56:27 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:56:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What's Right with America
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV169CF096EC9F0FB69C27FBB6B0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Totally recommend watching the 2005 National FFA (Future Farmer's of 
America) convention on RFD-TV!!!

  "The seeds are doing fantastic"

Sincerely
RickinMt. 


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 17:36:27 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:36:27 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <1a1.3fba6bad.30941e0b@aol.com>

Hi Tom,
It has been closer to five years, and no, I haven't run out of items in the 
yard.  My problem now is I have run out of space at the other end and so am 
having to reduce inventory.  In order to stem growth at the Virginia end I have 
stopped attending auctions while in Virginia.  It hasn't been easy, but, has to 
be done.  Sad, isn't it?
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia


In a message dated 10/28/2005 8:04:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Germoamer at aol.com writes:
Geesh Ron, I cannot believe you are surely running out of items in that yard 
to get rid of!  What has it been now since you started, 3 years?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Oct 28 18:39:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:39:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
References: <21e.138d720.3093b1a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6348029A5C8948250F959BB6A0@phx.gbl>

yea Ron..accumulators have a piston of somwhat..and do requre a precharge on 
the non-engine side of the accumulator piston..when the engine oil pressure 
drops, the precharge pushes the piston thusly suppling lubricant to what 
ever.

Widely used in the hydraulic field

Solly on the MH..just sold mine..best thing I ever did

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator


> Hi Rick,
>
> We have a Winnebago w/Renault 2 liter turbodiesel that has an accumulator.
> It looks to be about 1 1/2 quarts in size, is cylindrical and hangs on the
> firewall with an oil line coming up from the turbo bearing area into the 
> bottom of
> the accumulator.  I think, since the accumulator is closed except for the
> bottom intake, oil is pushed into it by the oil pump pressure and stays 
> there
> (more or less depending on engine speed and oil pressure) until you shut 
> down the
> engine, whereupon the remaining oil in the accumulator, a quart or so, 
> flows
> back through the turbo bearing, cooling it.  Because the accumulator is an
> after-market item and it takes some of the oil from the lubrication 
> system, I
> always ran an extra quart of oil in the engine so there would be plenty in 
> the
> crankcase at all times.
>
> As an aside, I thought I had the Winnie sold yesterday until when we tried 
> to
> start it we found a leaking seal on the front of the injection pump.  I 
> have
> a spare engine with pump, but don't care to install it.  The potential 
> buyer
> wants to think about it little while and may come back for it, but, in the
> meantime, I am open for offers.  If anyone has an interest in an 84 
> Winnebago with
> (stationary engine at the moment) turbodiesel, leaking roof, small (sleeps
> four) light (6000 LB) and good mileage (22-25) and comes with spare parts
> including transaxle and most of another engine, take it off list and 
> contact me at
> maytagtwin at aol.com.  Even unreasonable offers are considered.
>
> On the topic of starting diesel engines that have long been parked:  Ye
> sterday we started two Datsun pickups, one of which had not been started 
> in 17
> years, the other 12 years.  Then, we started a Mercedes diesel which had 
> been
> sitting 7 years.  All had been running when parked.  With all, using a mix 
> of motor
> oil and gasoline, and, towing in gear did the trick.  After a few minutes 
> of
> running, the smoke cleared and the engines ran smoothly.  I am now even 
> more
> impressed with the durability of these little diesel engines.  These 
> vehicles
> will all have new homes.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll
> Nokesville, Virginia, home of the rapidly depleting stock of diesel 
> vehicles
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/28/2005 10:31:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
> It may have been an add-on but believe some turbo charged engines had an
> accumulator that would release oil to the turbo bearing after the engine 
> was
> shut off.
>
>
> Well catcha later,
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Oct 29 08:26:24 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:26:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)
Message-ID: <1130599584.436394a08fb72@webmail.city-net.com>

Damn, this is a nice one!!

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7556661158

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Vintage Rock Stone Crusher Small Hit & Miss Steam Gas
Item number: 7556661158
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Current bid: US $1,075.00
Summary
Vintage rock, stone crusher; small size as crushers go; double fly wheel
stone crusher in operating condition as you can see in the photos where it has
crushed rocks and old concrete; drives with a flat belt; has no known flaws or
problems---------works well; nothing appears to be missing except one grease
fitting; see yardstick in pictures for size comparison; was probably made 70-80
years ago in Frankfort, NY by the Acme Road Machinery Co.; could probably be
safely moved on a 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickup or comparable trailer;


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Oct 29 09:09:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:09:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)
References: <1130599584.436394a08fb72@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV14759E82673E0459DFE73FBB6A0@phx.gbl>

Yea Arn..saw that the other day..would make some nice marguritas at 
Portland!!!!
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:26 AM
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)


> Damn, this is a nice one!!
>
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7556661158
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Vintage Rock Stone Crusher Small Hit & Miss Steam Gas
> Item number: 7556661158
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Current bid: US $1,075.00
> Summary
> Vintage rock, stone crusher; small size as crushers go; double fly wheel
> stone crusher in operating condition as you can see in the photos where it 
> has
> crushed rocks and old concrete; drives with a flat belt; has no known 
> flaws or
> problems---------works well; nothing appears to be missing except one 
> grease
> fitting; see yardstick in pictures for size comparison; was probably made 
> 70-80
> years ago in Frankfort, NY by the Acme Road Machinery Co.; could probably 
> be
> safely moved on a 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickup or comparable trailer;
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Oct 29 15:13:46 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:13:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Vintage Rock Crusher Small (#7556661158)
In-Reply-To: <1130599584.436394a08fb72@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <019201c5dcd6$09344620$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Damn, this is a nice one!!
> 
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7556661158



DUDE!  You NEED this!  

Know anyone who's gonna be in New York next month?  
Want me to call home and put in a good word on your behalf?

Rob




From tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com  Sat Oct 29 21:24:33 2005
From: tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com (Andrew)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:24:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 118 question- Anybody?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510271140020.25958-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0510292323100.26289-100000@andrew2.netpluscom.com>

Anyone have any idea on this?

> I've been wondering about this for a long time, but the Fairbanks 118 has
> a sight glass for the oil level in the back near the base. Does anyone
> know what the proper oil level should be? Should the sight glass be full
> or not?
> Andrew.
>
> >From Andrew at
> tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> b10730 at hotmail.com
>
> Visit the website at http://www.netpluscom.com/~10730/
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Oct 29 22:20:01 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:20:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse 118 question- Anybody?
Message-ID: <20051029.222002.952.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

The best I can do is:  9qts. for the 346, 10 qts. for the 503, and 17
qts. for the 739.
My best guess is half way up on the sight glass.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:24:33 -0500 (EST) Andrew
<tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com> writes:
> Anyone have any idea on this?
> 
> > I've been wondering about this for a long time, but the Fairbanks 
> 118 has
> > a sight glass for the oil level in the back near the base. Does 
> anyone
> > know what the proper oil level should be? Should the sight glass 
> be full
> > or not?
> > Andrew.
> >
> > >From Andrew at
> > tech at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> > engineering at andrew2.netpluscom.com
> > b10730 at hotmail.com
> >


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Oct 30 01:51:19 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:51:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I headed up to Edd's yesterday and brought the YC Stover home (well, almost
home. It is sitting at a mates place as he has a forklift which we will use
to put it on a transport in the next couple of weeks). Up close the work Edd
has done on the carby is amazing and the engine runs like a clock. I have
put a couple of short videos of the engine running and a few more pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct 30 09:35:37 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:35:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] The Anson Engine museum
Message-ID: <000501c5dd78$5877fe00$fa4c1152@no1>

The museum had the last show of  the year today.
I managed  to get there for an hour & took the these pictures.
http://community.webshots.com/album/489579377eBipch
Geoff has managed to make a big change to the layout with a 
new building added.
There is more work to do with the exhibits but the final results should
be a big imrpovement.
It poured down with rain but due to the mainly indoor exhibits it was well worth the trip!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Oct 30 10:42:16 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:42:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Final weekend of the year?
In-Reply-To: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <43651408.5000604@udata.com>

Gday
	Well this weekend was as nice as you can ask for, in ahia this time of year, and this gave me the opportunity to fire up a couple engins for the maybe the last time. The 4 hp R&V is now sitting on the cart I built after the Portland show and she ran sweet for over two hours in my yard. Loading it back into the trailer was much easier, and safer, than when I and about 7 others loaded her in Portland. One little change on the cart will be to mount two 1X8's or 2X8's so the engin skid will slide  much smoother onto the cross rails on the cart, I will also plan to drill holes in these to mount the engin solid to the cart. Remember this is to be a mover cart only and it is not really pretty, I built the handle out of a 4 feet 1/2 black iron pipe and they mount through two eye bolts and can easily be removed as needed. The other engin I ran was the little Villiers as she had some fuel in her and it needed run out before the start of cold weather. She had about two or three cups of fuel in the tank and ran for over three hours on this, with out missing a beat. I also wanted to get Tyler's Maytag out to run but the wind picked up some so this will have to wait till his next visit and soon he should be big enough to stomp on the foot pedal to make it look like it is running, his birthday is on Halloween (turns three) and I have found a nice little twin for him. hmmmmmmmmm  now if only I can convince his grandma! I am going to mount his engin on wheels so he can move it around and also remove them himself to run the engin, lawn mower wheels should do the job.



-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark






From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 14:30:27 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:30:27 EST
Subject: [SEL] Diesel Engine Starter With Oil Pump, turbo accumulator
Message-ID: <1e4.477e30e0.3096a383@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/28/2005 8:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
MaytagTwin at aol.com writes:

<< Sad, isn't it? >>


Ron I am teary eyed now, but I will try and take in more auctions for you 
here in Virginia!



Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 14:34:57 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:34:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] Final weekend of the year?
Message-ID: <6d.509c73ff.3096a491@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:01:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
oldengin at udata.com writes:

<< Well this weekend was as nice as you can ask for, in ahia this time of 
year, and this gave me the opportunity to fire up a couple engins for the maybe 
the last time.  >>


Might be a good time to remind all the folks who live where winter is coming 
about to check the engines and drain water out of the hoppers before it 
freezes.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From avanti_64 at juno.com  Sun Oct 30 15:20:45 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:20:45 GMT
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
Message-ID: <20051030.152145.9531.94413@webmail24.lax.untd.com>

Nice job Patrick...you guys should be proud of this project. She sounds good! A lot of hard work but I bet it was worth the effort, especially when they take their first breath after being silent after who knows how long? Joe Kelley


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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 21:02:27 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:02:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks "T"
Message-ID: <20051031050231.8063123F6DA@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi  everyone, A  Fairbanks "T" came home with me from a swap meet today in
Ca. The ser#  16727,indicates a manufacturing date of 1901.It's cast plate
,red paint,2bolt hubs, hot tube backs that up. It needs some help due to its
missing a few important parts. Most of the Fuel system is gone. What do you
think is the correct style carb for this engine? Are reproductions
available? I also need a fuel pump with linkage. .Is Mr. Brookover taking on
new work? The igniter Really needs help! Any way If a picture of the correct
fuel mixer is available, I'd know what to look for or copy? Thanks for your
help, Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato,Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Oct 30 03:45:30 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:45:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] YC Stover
In-Reply-To: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051030095116.IGEI10035.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051030064421.043841c8@mail.alltel.net>

VERY nice Patrick. And you are correct--Edd's work is "amazing!"
         Dave

At 04:51 AM 10/30/2005, you wrote:
>I headed up to Edd's yesterday and brought the YC Stover home (well, almost
>home. It is sitting at a mates place as he has a forklift which we will use
>to put it on a transport in the next couple of weeks). Up close the work Edd
>has done on the carby is amazing and the engine runs like a clock. I have
>put a couple of short videos of the engine running and a few more pics at:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>Patrick M Livingstone



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct 31 07:02:01 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:02:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Final weekend of the year?
Message-ID: <20051031.101601.1020.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Leroy,

Glad you had a nice weekend - - - 
Good to hear from ya.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TYLER ;-)

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "If you can't convince them - 
 \/)"(\/             confuse them."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From dleis at centurytel.net  Mon Oct 31 18:49:36 2005
From: dleis at centurytel.net (Stacy Leis)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:49:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. TEST
Message-ID: <000a01c5de8e$e5e157c0$0201a8c0@computer>

Just testing sorry for the O.T.

                                 Stacy

From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Oct 31 17:44:37 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:44:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94@juno.com>

DAMN !!!

For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
lanterns.

The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
from the top ridge, down along
the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
about  one third of the circumfrence.


Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer - 

Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.

Suggestions ???

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Oct 31 18:19:22 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:19:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
References: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV14206E21A1236DFD515224BB6F0@phx.gbl>

That's what I'd do Pip..might "stop drill" at the end of the crack.

RickinMt.




> DAMN !!!
> 
> For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
> lanterns.
> 
> The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
> from the top ridge, down along
> the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
> about  one third of the circumfrence.
> 
> 
> Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
> inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer - 
> 
> Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.
> 
> Suggestions ???
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
> the one 
>  \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
> Bear Arms."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Mon Oct 31 19:16:03 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:16:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <000401c5de92$9a9b7d00$556a0b42@computer>

Joe,
    That 706 rod discussed on the list early this year welds cast very well
and is an easy rod to use.   George
-----Original Message-----
From: jlb94 at juno.com <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked


>DAMN !!!
>
>For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
>lanterns.
>
>The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
>from the top ridge, down along
>the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
>about  one third of the circumfrence.
>
>
>Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
>inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer -
>
>Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.
>
>Suggestions ???
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
> \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From oiseming at moscow.com  Mon Oct 31 19:44:41 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:44:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
In-Reply-To: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200511010345.jA13ir3k052450@mail-gw.fsr.net>

No question about it, use JB-Weld.  No gas tank sealer should be necessary.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of jlb94 at juno.com
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:45 PM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Cracked

DAMN !!!

For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
lanterns.

The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
from the top ridge, down along
the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
about  one third of the circumfrence.


Now - - - I figure I could fix it "quick & dirty" and use JB Weld on the
inside and finish it with Gas Tank Sealer - 

Or - - - Try to Braze it and chance breaking it good.

Suggestions ???

Joe "Pip" Betz said that.