From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 07:02:13 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <20051101.100215.1024.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks for the suggestion George.
And also - Orin & RickinMt.

My first concern with stick welding is that I'd blow through it.
The sides feel to be only around 1/8 inch or so.

I would have more luck brazing but then expansion might do more damage.

Right now I'm thinking JB Weld.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
\/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 08:03:11 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:03:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
Message-ID: <20051101.110314.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>


Hi Guys,
Orrin - Rick - George & others

Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
Yellow Dog 
runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
about 1/32 wide,
down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
being at the spout.

JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
before.

Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
manufactures it ?

Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.

It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
while welding on the outside.

Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
through if I try stick welding.

OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?

I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  1 09:02:50 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:02:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
In-Reply-To: <20051101.110314.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F26B2F9AD4C6379618E392AC86F0@phx.gbl>

Here is some info on the rod Joe.

http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/castweld.htm

http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/2004-November/003607.html

http://weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: jlb94 at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:03:11 -0500
>
>
>Hi Guys,
>Orrin - Rick - George & others
>
>Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
>Yellow Dog
>runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
>about 1/32 wide,
>down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
>being at the spout.
>
>JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
>before.
>
>Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
>manufactures it ?
>
>Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.
>
>It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
>while welding on the outside.
>
>Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
>through if I try stick welding.
>
>OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?
>
>I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
>  \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz




From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za  Tue Nov  1 11:20:50 2005
From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue,  1 Nov 2005 21:20:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <200511012120.AA28115266@cyberserv.co.za>

Joe Betz wrote:     "For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few lanterns." 


Hi All, Excuse my ignorance but what is a "yellow dog". We don't celebrate Haloween here! Regards Jerry in S.A.
 




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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Tue Nov  1 11:51:58 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:51:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
Message-ID: <000c01c5df1e$4a531920$666a0b42@computer>

Joe,
  See Luke's response.  Danville Ill. store is willing to sell in small
quantities.  The rod is good per some welding gurus I know.  I'm told it
goes on like butter.  It was use to weld upo a Reid relief valve for me.
Good Luck  George
-----Original Message-----
From: jlb94 at juno.com <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog


>
>Hi Guys,
>Orrin - Rick - George & others
>
>Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
>Yellow Dog
>runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
>about 1/32 wide,
>down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
>being at the spout.
>
>JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
>before.
>
>Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
>manufactures it ?
>
>Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.
>
>It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
>while welding on the outside.
>
>Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
>through if I try stick welding.
>
>OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?
>
>I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
> \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov  1 14:45:42 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (jswaite)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:45:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1
References: <200511011700.jA1H04CK026754@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <005101c5df35$fd6a9ad0$0300a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:44:37 -0500
From: jlb94 at juno.com
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Message-ID: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94 at juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

DAMN !!!

For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
lanterns.

The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
from the top ridge, down along
the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
about  one third of the circumfrence.


Please help me .....

What is a "Yellow Dog"?


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)
Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid!



From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Nov  1 14:53:56 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:53:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F26B2F9AD4C6379618E392AC86F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4harpn$590mik@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

My choice out on this page  http://weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm
would be the 700 because its pure nickel. My next choice would be the 755
which has copper with the nickel. We use a copper/nickel MIG wire for
welding cast iron in mining equipment repairs. You need to do a normal prep
and preheat to around 150C and peen the weld. Keep it hot by wrapping up in
a welding blanket or similar overnight.I recently used it to weld some cast
wheels with cracked spokes for a engine cart and despite the cast being
badly corroded and thin in places it was a complete success. Being able to
buy it in electrode form is a bonus  as you can buy a small quantity. For 17
kilo's of wire it costs me around $1700.00
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2005 1:03 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: RE: [SEL] Cracked Dog

Here is some info on the rod Joe.

http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/castweld.htm

http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/2004-November/003607.html

http://weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: jlb94 at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:03:11 -0500
>
>
>Hi Guys,
>Orrin - Rick - George & others
>
>Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
>Yellow Dog
>runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
>about 1/32 wide,
>down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
>being at the spout.
>
>JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
>before.
>
>Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
>manufactures it ?
>
>Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.
>
>It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
>while welding on the outside.
>
>Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
>through if I try stick welding.
>
>OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?
>
>I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
>  \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Nov  1 16:56:49 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:56:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
References: <200511012120.AA28115266@cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <010f01c5df48$503c84f0$8c4c6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Jerry,

A yellow dog is a type of lantern or lamp that was used in the oil fields in 
the eastern part of the U.S.  It is made of cast iron and is sort of like a 
pitcher with two spouts.  Each spout has a wick and the pot was filled with 
crude oil.  When burning the light has a yellow cast  They were also used 
for other things besides lamps, I have heard of using them to melt and pour 
babbitt and they probably became coffee pots on occasion.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at cyberserv.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked


Joe Betz wrote:     "For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple 
Yellow Dogs and a few lanterns."


Hi All, Excuse my ignorance but what is a "yellow dog". We don't celebrate 
Haloween here! Regards Jerry in S.A.





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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 19:43:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:43:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <005101c5df35$fd6a9ad0$0300a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <200511011700.jA1H04CK026754@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<005101c5df35$fd6a9ad0$0300a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511011943h7e615d16q1fc3e56471e700f3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/05, jswaite <marshallman at iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> Please help me .....
>
> What is a "Yellow Dog"?
>
>
> Jim

Jim:

It's a double-ended oil-burning wick type light which burns oil. Think
of the lamp you rub to get the Genie out of, but with two spouts, not
one.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 21:14:29 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:14:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <20051102.002556.1372.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi All, Excuse my ignorance but what is a "yellow dog". We don't
celebrate Haloween here! Regards Jerry in S.A.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        

Hi Jerry,
Sorry for not getting back sooner.
I just got in and am now reading e-mails.

On Halloween we decorate the front yard and kids dress up in costume and
go door-to-door and ask for 
treats (candy).  (You probably know that.)

In my display I use 2 Yellow Dog Lanterns - Among other stuff.
(You can go to my Webshots Album and look under "Toys" - page 3 - and
there is a Yellow Dog Lantern
close to the bottom picture.
It is a 2 spouted lantern (similar to a large "Tea Pot")  used on the oil
wells for light.
They are said to have gotten the name Yellow Dog because - when lit - and
from a distance - they looked like 
the 2 yellow eyes of a dog.  I have also heard that they were painted
Yellow and got the name that way.
But - I've never seen a yellow one.
They were also used as "Babbit Pots" depending on what way the wire
handle was located.
Check out the "Toys" - page 3 - in my Webshots.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 21:19:27 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:19:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1
Message-ID: <20051102.002556.1372.5.jlb94@juno.com>

What is a "Yellow Dog"?

Hi Jim,

See the e-mail I sent to the list concerning my Community Webshots -
"Toys" - page 3
there are 2 or 3 pic of a yellow dog.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Nov  1 21:44:45 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:44:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Carb
Message-ID: <20051102054554.B43CD240826@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hello everyone, Does anyone know if The early "Beehive Carbs were reproduced
or if they are still available? I have located a source for the more common
version  ,but would like to find the correct type for a 01 "T" . Thanks for
any information. Jimmy O'Hagan

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Nov  2 03:39:24 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:39:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich eng help
Message-ID: <110220051139.12124.4368A56C0003A90400002F5C21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Again I could use some more help with my Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng.  I need to see 
a arial pic (looking down over eng) of the rigging of speed control and gear 
asy.  I believe that I may be missing some parts.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov  2 06:21:25 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:21:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  A while back I posted a similiar picture of the rolled I-beam with "Jones 
& Laughlins" rolled into it.  Here's a pix I took yesterday..sorry for the 
focus:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/494028266iYFELd

Well the other day, friend Corky got a book on Lineshafting and such:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/491988576/491988576tWimdS

and it looks like not only did they do lineshafting equipment but also did 
trucks:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/491981832/491981832ZpdjAv

and wheels:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/491989840/491989840YopUJH

So possibly J&L built the early style trucks for Galloway.

My sawing outfit is possibly an add on..and rolled into it is "Illinois."..

Do any of you see Jones and Laughlins on your trucks, especially the post 
1916 models.

I believe both companies became Pittsburg Steel or American Steel...one of 
those.

Well I found it interesting..hope ya did the same

Regards
RickinMt. 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov  2 06:36:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:36:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Video Editing Software
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511020933070.40178@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Since we sometimes do take video of running engines, this isn't totally
off topic.  I'm looking for suggestions from those of you who have
experience with video editing software.

What I have are high-res .avi files that are the video captured using my
SnakeEye camera during power plant walk downs captured to a Sony GV-D1000
digital video cassette recorder.  When off loaded to the PC the files are
big (10 min. video is 2.2 GB).  Size isn't really the issue, but the dreck
is.  There's a LOT on the video that I need to cut out as it adds zero
value and really gets in the way.

I downloaded an evaluation copy of AVS Video Editor.
http://www.avsmedia.com/

It works well for the capture part of the process, but (so far) has proven
to not be useful for editing (despite the name).

I also have an interest in capturing stills from the video.
Any suggestions there?

I'm not looking to be a sophisticated movie maker, I don't need glitzy
transitions or special effects.  I just want to be able to cut sections
out to keep and join up with other sections or toss into the bit bucket;
depending on what they are.

Please reply off-list if you feel that the info won't be useful to the
general list readership.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Nov  2 07:28:45 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Tractor/Engine Auction this Sat in Plano, IL
Message-ID: <20051102152845.41908.qmail@web80610.mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone else going to this sale?

Sale bill that I scanned:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/auctionreports/auction11_5.jpg

Auctioneer's web page:
http://www.meyer-wegenerauctions.com/nov5.htm

More photos (link is incorrect on auctioneer's web page):
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4337819&a=31938285&f





From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Nov  2 07:45:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
Message-ID: <20051102.110407.1328.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Luke for the info,

Gee - I forgot all about Dolly's list.
(Sorry Dolly)

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov  2 09:31:06 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:31:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL]  Video Editing Software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511020933070.40178@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BF8E37DA.C74F%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Simple - iMovie!  Then add to that iDVD and you'll have the best damn
presentations in the office!
And to help you get started, http://www.apple.com/macmini/ and
http://www.apple.com/ilife/imovie/
If you work it right, you can claim it as a business expense.
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA

PS. Once you go Mac, you never go back
PPS. You knew this was coming, didn't ya...




On 11/2/05 6:36 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Since we sometimes do take video of running engines, this isn't totally
> off topic.  I'm looking for suggestions from those of you who have
> experience with video editing software.
> 
> What I have are high-res .avi files that are the video captured using my
> SnakeEye camera during power plant walk downs captured to a Sony GV-D1000
> digital video cassette recorder.  When off loaded to the PC the files are
> big (10 min. video is 2.2 GB).  Size isn't really the issue, but the dreck
> is.  There's a LOT on the video that I need to cut out as it adds zero
> value and really gets in the way.
> 
> I downloaded an evaluation copy of AVS Video Editor.
> http://www.avsmedia.com/
> 
> It works well for the capture part of the process, but (so far) has proven
> to not be useful for editing (despite the name).
> 
> I also have an interest in capturing stills from the video.
> Any suggestions there?
> 
> I'm not looking to be a sophisticated movie maker, I don't need glitzy
> transitions or special effects.  I just want to be able to cut sections
> out to keep and join up with other sections or toss into the bit bucket;
> depending on what they are.
> 
> Please reply off-list if you feel that the info won't be useful to the
> general list readership.  Thanks.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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> 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 02:38:40 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:38:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>

Jones and Lauthlin was an integrated steel maker with plants in Pittsburgh & 
Aliquippa, PA and Cleveland, Ohio.  They did have a side business of making 
lineshafting and wheels etc. but it was miniscule compared to their main 
product line which includes steel angles, channels, sheets, plates and 
seamless pipe.  The building which we rent for storage has Jones and 
Laughlin rolled into the angles in its framework and it was built in 1916. 
Jones and Laughlins spelled with the S is much older.  According to my 
information the S was dropped from the name in 1902 when the company was 
reorganized.  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled 
in 02 or 03 when the worn out rolls were changed out.

An interesting bit of trivia is that your steel would most certainly have 
been rolled on a mill powered by engines very similar to our Tod Engine.

Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie Illinois 
Steel and eventually part of United States Steel. It would have been rolled 
in a mill in the Chicago District but I have seen products rolled in the 40s 
still labeled Carnegie Illinois so thats impossible to date.

It is more plausible that Galloway cast their own wheels and purchased steel 
from J&L instead of J&L building the carts.

One of my interests is collecting steel sections with names rolled into it. 
I have tons of pipe with "Youngstown" rolled into it as well as Bethlehem, 
J&L, US Steel etc.  I think the rarest is the name "Pencoyd" rolled into a 
small I beam.  Nothing like good old American made steel!   Even have a 
slice cut from the first railroad rail rolled in Youngstown at Republic 
Steel in 1905.  That mill was powered by a Tod engine and I have a copy of 
the contract between William Tod Co. and Republic to build the engine.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "John Cullom" <jcullom at adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Howdy all;
>  A while back I posted a similiar picture of the rolled I-beam with "Jones 
> & Laughlins" rolled into it.  Here's a pix I took yesterday..sorry for the 
> focus:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/494028266iYFELd
>
> Well the other day, friend Corky got a book on Lineshafting and such:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/491988576/491988576tWimdS
>
> and it looks like not only did they do lineshafting equipment but also did 
> trucks:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/491981832/491981832ZpdjAv
>
> and wheels:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/491989840/491989840YopUJH
>
> So possibly J&L built the early style trucks for Galloway.
>
> My sawing outfit is possibly an add on..and rolled into it is 
> "Illinois."..
>
> Do any of you see Jones and Laughlins on your trucks, especially the post 
> 1916 models.
>
> I believe both companies became Pittsburg Steel or American Steel...one of 
> those.
>
> Well I found it interesting..hope ya did the same
>
> Regards
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 03:32:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 04:32:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
	<012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV71BE02F19173847E19535BB610@phx.gbl>

Thanks Rick...very educational.

Regards
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Jones and Lauthlin was an integrated steel maker with plants in Pittsburgh 
> &
> Aliquippa, PA and Cleveland, Ohio.  They did have a side business of 
> making
> lineshafting and wheels etc. but it was miniscule compared to their main
> product line which includes steel angles, channels, sheets, plates and
> seamless pipe.  The building which we rent for storage has Jones and
> Laughlin rolled into the angles in its framework and it was built in 1916.
> Jones and Laughlins spelled with the S is much older.  According to my
> information the S was dropped from the name in 1902 when the company was
> reorganized.  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled
> in 02 or 03 when the worn out rolls were changed out.
>
> An interesting bit of trivia is that your steel would most certainly have
> been rolled on a mill powered by engines very similar to our Tod Engine.
>
> Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie Illinois
> Steel and eventually part of United States Steel. It would have been 
> rolled
> in a mill in the Chicago District but I have seen products rolled in the 
> 40s
> still labeled Carnegie Illinois so thats impossible to date.
>
> It is more plausible that Galloway cast their own wheels and purchased 
> steel
> from J&L instead of J&L building the carts.
>
> One of my interests is collecting steel sections with names rolled into 
> it.
> I have tons of pipe with "Youngstown" rolled into it as well as Bethlehem,
> J&L, US Steel etc.  I think the rarest is the name "Pencoyd" rolled into a
> small I beam.  Nothing like good old American made steel!   Even have a
> slice cut from the first railroad rail rolled in Youngstown at Republic
> Steel in 1905.  That mill was powered by a Tod engine and I have a copy of
> the contract between William Tod Co. and Republic to build the engine.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "John Cullom" <jcullom at adelphia.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:21 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
>
>
> > Howdy all;
> >  A while back I posted a similiar picture of the rolled I-beam with 
> > "Jones
> > & Laughlins" rolled into it.  Here's a pix I took yesterday..sorry for 
> > the
> > focus:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/494028266iYFELd
> >
> > Well the other day, friend Corky got a book on Lineshafting and such:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/491988576/491988576tWimdS
> >
> > and it looks like not only did they do lineshafting equipment but also 
> > did
> > trucks:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/491981832/491981832ZpdjAv
> >
> > and wheels:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/491989840/491989840YopUJH
> >
> > So possibly J&L built the early style trucks for Galloway.
> >
> > My sawing outfit is possibly an add on..and rolled into it is
> > "Illinois."..
> >
> > Do any of you see Jones and Laughlins on your trucks, especially the 
> > post
> > 1916 models.
> >
> > I believe both companies became Pittsburg Steel or American Steel...one 
> > of
> > those.
> >
> > Well I found it interesting..hope ya did the same
> >
> > Regards
> > RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Nov  3 04:34:40 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:34:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
In-Reply-To: <012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
	<012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <436A03E0.7020109@imc-group.com>

Rick,
Any idea of when the name change from Illinois to Carnegie Illinois 
occurred?
Curt Holland
Gastionia, NC


Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie 
> Illinois Steel and eventually part of United States Steel.




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 04:51:00 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:51:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
In-Reply-To: <012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F393FE267D7024F005F5DA5C8610@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick,

When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still 
'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 6 
feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it interesting 
that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's picture was a 
first.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>
>  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 03 
>when the worn out rolls were changed out.
>

>
>Rick Rowlands
>Tod Engine Foundation
>2261 Hubbard Road
>Youngstown, OH  44505
>330-728-2799
>www.todengine.org
>
>William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
>Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 06:04:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:04:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY103-F393FE267D7024F005F5DA5C8610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21A43427B3B19564494E42BB610@phx.gbl>

Here's the "Illinois" on the sawing outfit attach..it is raised lettering:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Hi Rick,
>
> When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still
> 'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 
> 6
> feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it interesting
> that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's picture was 
> a
> first.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ====================
>
> >From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> >
> >  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 
> > 03
> >when the worn out rolls were changed out.
> >
>
> >
> >Rick Rowlands
> >Tod Engine Foundation
> >2261 Hubbard Road
> >Youngstown, OH  44505
> >330-728-2799
> >www.todengine.org
> >
> >William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> >Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 06:39:50 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:39:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
Message-ID: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>

I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a hit and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom

From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Nov  3 06:46:32 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:46:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV21A43427B3B19564494E42BB610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051103084630.SM01064@wrbpc>

I found Illinois embossed into the angle irons that comprise the frame of
the 1939 John Deere H that I am restoring.  The font was slanted, as I
recall, but not as stylized as what I see on Rick's Galloway saw rig.  It
was not in the same place on the 2 sides, which would make me think it was
embossed periodically on longer pieces which were then cut to size.  The
letters were raised, how did they do that?  Not very high, with a coat of
primer and then paint they are hard to detect.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:05 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light

Here's the "Illinois" on the sawing outfit attach..it is raised lettering:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Hi Rick,
>
> When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still
> 'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 
> 6
> feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it interesting
> that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's picture was 
> a
> first.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ====================
>
> >From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> >
> >  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 
> > 03
> >when the worn out rolls were changed out.
> >
>
> >
> >Rick Rowlands
> >Tod Engine Foundation
> >2261 Hubbard Road
> >Youngstown, OH  44505
> >330-728-2799
> >www.todengine.org
> >
> >William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> >Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
_______________________________________________
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 07:19:56 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:19:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
Message-ID: <20051103.102035.1340.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Tom,
I'll try to answer your questions.

I adjust my oilers to drip once every 15 seconds or so.  
        You will have to try different settings and see what's best for
the engine.
I give my grease caps a "twist" (about a half turn) each day of running.
        If they feel dry or give no resistance maybe turn them a little
more.
        You really don't want grease ozzing out the sides of the
bearings.
        Too much grease will fling off while running and could get on
peoples clothes.
        Of course - Too much doesn't hurt the engine.
As for the depressions - I'm not familiar with the Stover -  Are they
deep enough to insert some wicking?  
        The wick could be soaked with oil and allow enough seepage to oil
the bearing.
        Or - they might just be a way to apply oil.  If so, I would oil
at least daily while running.
Hope this helps.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

        


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov  3 08:02:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:02:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
In-Reply-To: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
References: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511031053380.61577@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

The rule of thumb for cylinder oilers on engines that aren't being
"worked" is one drop per minute per horsepower.  Double that if you have
the engine belted up doing work.  Typically most folks just use plain 30
weight oil, although some do a mix adding Marvel Mystery Oil to get a
pretty color in the oiler.

Give the grease cups a turn at the start of the day as a part of your
"inspect & oil up" routine.

Depending on the size of the wells in the main bearing caps, you may or
may not want to add some cotton waste to help retain the oil.  Another
useful thing to use are those cotton thingies that the dentist pokes in
between your cheek and gum.  I like to use 90 weight gear oil in main
bearing oil wells.

Hope that helps and WELCOME to the list and a great hobby!!

When you have a chance, tell us more about yourself and your engines.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote:

> I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask
> anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a
> hit and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod
> bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing
> caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 08:29:19 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:29:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
In-Reply-To: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F27509D021C54F5418E3A7AC8610@phx.gbl>

Tom,

The cylinder oiler should be set to drip one drop per minute per horsepower. 
So, for a 5hp engine it should drip once every 12 seconds. You'll find that 
this is probably too fast of a rate. This is for a working engine. For an 
engine loafing along at a show you can decrease this amount quite a bit. 
Joe's suggestion is about right. A drop every 15 seconds or so. It's not 
real critical. If oil is puking out the back and flinging all over the place 
then it is too much. If your piston and cylinder look dry while the engine 
is running then it is not enough.

I will stop my engines every two or three hours and turn the grease cup on 
the connecting rod. I turn it enough so I can just see it starting to ooze 
out the sides. More is better I feel. I have a little plastic stick that I 
use to fill the grease cups. I usually will scrape the used excess grease 
from the sides of the bearings with my plastic stick and apply it to my 
gears.


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
>
>I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask 
>anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a hit 
>and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod 
>bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing 
>caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom




From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Thu Nov  3 11:54:56 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
Message-ID: <7797458.1131047697175.JavaMail.root@web09ps>

Hi guys,
            was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???

Thanks so much,
                        Adam


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Thu Nov  3 13:27:18 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:27:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <7797458.1131047697175.JavaMail.root@web09ps>
Message-ID: <006c01c5e0bd$5f558c90$e8e94c0c@D48VHZ61>

Don't know of anyone but could you make a rubber template and sandblast it 
on the oiler yourself?

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


> Hi guys,
>            was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses 
> for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>
> Thanks so much,
>                        Adam
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 13:37:48 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY103-F393FE267D7024F005F5DA5C8610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c5e0be$d6820360$64bed2cc@pengy>

The finishing stand of the mill had the name ground into the roll in reverse 
so that when that part of the roll made the final squeeze on the steel shape 
the name would also get put on.  The name was repeated every so many feet, 
depending upon the size of the mill.  Mills are rated by roll diameter, so 
take the diameter and find the circumference and you'll find the spacing of 
the names.

Embossing company Identification on steel shapes is extremely common around 
here, but then again I live in the industrial ground zero of America. 
Railroad rail has quite a bit of data rolled into the side of it aside from 
the manufacturer's identification.  By looking at the markings I can tell 
you what size rail it is, its weight per foot, month and year it was rolled, 
plant it was rolled at, if it had any special heat treatment and then by 
looking on the otherside of the rail I could give you the heat number.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Hi Rick,
>
> When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still 
> 'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 
> 6 feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it 
> interesting that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's 
> picture was a first.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ====================
>
>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>
>>  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 03 
>> when the worn out rolls were changed out.
>>
>
>>
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Tod Engine Foundation
>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>330-728-2799
>>www.todengine.org
>>
>>William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
>>Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 13:38:23 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:38:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
	<012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
	<436A03E0.7020109@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5e0be$eaa706b0$64bed2cc@pengy>

I seem to think it was in the 1950s but I am not certain.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Rick,
> Any idea of when the name change from Illinois to Carnegie Illinois 
> occurred?
> Curt Holland
> Gastionia, NC
>
>
> Rick Rowlands wrote:
>
>> Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie Illinois 
>> Steel and eventually part of United States Steel.
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 13:41:33 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:41:33 EST
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <1d6.48fd4ca5.309bde0d@aol.com>

Hi List,
I finally go the Economy to start with the crank.  However,  after it runs 
for about 15 minutes, the engine stops as a result of the spark  plug fouling.  
To get it to start again, all that has to be done is clean  the plug.  I have 
tried reducing the fuel mixture but, then the engine  stops.  This engine 
seems to like a rich fuel mixture.  What am  I doing wrong?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Nov  3 15:14:06 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:14:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <4enjt4$1i9f2r5@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> I finally go the Economy to start with the crank.  However,  after it runs 
> for about 15 minutes, the engine stops as a result of the spark  plug fouling.  
> To get it to start again, all that has to be done is clean  the plug.  I have 
> tried reducing the fuel mixture but, then the engine  stops.  This engine 
> seems to like a rich fuel mixture.  What am  I doing wrong?  
> 
Check your ignition Francis, sounds like it may be weak.
J.B. Castagnos


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 15:17:08 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:17:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
References: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511031053380.61577@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c5e0cc$b65940e0$111f7546@mycomputer>

Thanks for the info guys..i do appreciate it very much.   .Tom


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oilers


> Hi Tom,
> 
> The rule of thumb for cylinder oilers on engines that aren't being
> "worked" is one drop per minute per horsepower.  Double that if you have
> the engine belted up doing work.  Typically most folks just use plain 30
> weight oil, although some do a mix adding Marvel Mystery Oil to get a
> pretty color in the oiler.
> 
> Give the grease cups a turn at the start of the day as a part of your
> "inspect & oil up" routine.
> 
> Depending on the size of the wells in the main bearing caps, you may or
> may not want to add some cotton waste to help retain the oil.  Another
> useful thing to use are those cotton thingies that the dentist pokes in
> between your cheek and gum.  I like to use 90 weight gear oil in main
> bearing oil wells.
> 
> Hope that helps and WELCOME to the list and a great hobby!!
> 
> When you have a chance, tell us more about yourself and your engines.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask
>> anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a
>> hit and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod
>> bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing
>> caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom
> 
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 15:59:30 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:59:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <7797458.1131047697175.JavaMail.root@web09ps>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F88926A10B1BFA9519603495610@phx.gbl>

Hi Adam, What do you need the embossing to read?  It would be fairly easy to 
etch a pattern on an oile glassr with either hydrofluoric acid or blast 
medium.  Steve


>From: Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
>
>Hi guys,
>             was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses 
>for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>
>Thanks so much,
>                         Adam
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov  3 16:02:06 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:02:06 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
Message-ID: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>

See http://pesn.com/2005/07/01/9600118_GMCC_REMAT/
(Not that I believe a word of it!)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov  3 16:22:32 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:22:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
In-Reply-To: <1d6.48fd4ca5.309bde0d@aol.com>
References: <1d6.48fd4ca5.309bde0d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051103192007.0223f860@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:41 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hi List,
>I finally go the Economy to start with the crank.  However,  after it runs
>for about 15 minutes, the engine stops as a result of the spark  plug 
>fouling.
>To get it to start again, all that has to be done is clean  the plug.  I have
>tried reducing the fuel mixture but, then the engine  stops.  This engine
>seems to like a rich fuel mixture.  What am  I doing wrong?
>Francis  Maciel

My guess is that you are using a 3095. Throw the damn thing away and get a 
take-a-part plug. Champion is (again) making their "X" it's about $25.00, 
but other take-a-parts are avliable.
         Dave





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Nov  3 16:40:03 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:40:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F88926A10B1BFA9519603495610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi, Doesn't embossed mean raised lettering when the glass is molded? That's
much different than etching by whatever method. Maybe I'm missing something.
Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:00 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers

Hi Adam, What do you need the embossing to read?  It would be fairly easy to

etch a pattern on an oile glassr with either hydrofluoric acid or blast 
medium.  Steve


>From: Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
>
>Hi guys,
>             was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses

>for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>
>Thanks so much,
>                         Adam
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>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Nov  3 16:48:18 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:48:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
References: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <017001c5e0d9$746fb490$b74b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Wow, this guy is getting more out than he is putting in.  I did this once, 
fastened a propeller onto a generator and then put the whole thing on the 
top of the car.  I would park on a hill and when I wanted to go someplace I 
would coast downhill until the propeller started turning the generator fast 
enough, after that it was all free.  The only problem was that I couldn't 
stop and crashed.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?


See http://pesn.com/2005/07/01/9600118_GMCC_REMAT/
(Not that I believe a word of it!)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 17:52:13 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:52:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
In-Reply-To: <017001c5e0d9$746fb490$b74b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <002b01c5e0e2$67dcc700$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Wow, this guy is getting more out than he is putting in.  I 
> did this once, fastened a propeller onto a generator 
> and then put the whole thing on the top of the car.  

Hi Jim, 
You should have tried affixing the propeller on top of your beanie cap and then
running around the yard with your arms outstretched going, "brum, brum, brum!"

Since this this the SEL and not the Slick list, I'll refrain from making
derogatory comments about these wankers.  

Did you get the part about "GMC's plans to introduce the technology in a
non-disruptive manner so as to not 'shock' the world with this sudden boon?"
How often do you hear about technological breakthroughs with the potential to
make the inventor billions, but he chooses to withhold the technology so he
won't "shock" the world with his magnificence?  I think the only "shock" is
going to be from his investors when they learn that they've lost every last
dime!

Adios!
Rob




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov  3 18:44:59 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:44:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <BAY108-F88926A10B1BFA9519603495610@phx.gbl>
	<20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051103214412.022a0e58@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:40 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, Doesn't embossed mean raised lettering when the glass is molded?
>Jimmy

That depends on the definition of "is."
         Dave 



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Thu Nov  3 18:49:11 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:49:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c5e0ea$56a39f60$e9ee4c0c@D48VHZ61>

Didn't catch that on the original post but I agree now. Regardless, Anybody 
ever seen an oiler glass with writting on it?

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


> Hi, Doesn't embossed mean raised lettering when the glass is molded? 
> That's
> much different than etching by whatever method. Maybe I'm missing 
> something.
> Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Royster
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:00 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>
> Hi Adam, What do you need the embossing to read?  It would be fairly easy 
> to
>
> etch a pattern on an oile glassr with either hydrofluoric acid or blast
> medium.  Steve
>
>
>>From: Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>CC: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>             was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost 
>> glasses
>
>>for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>>
>>Thanks so much,
>>                         Adam
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 20:15:43 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:43 EST
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/3/2005 3:31:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jbcast at charter.net writes:

Check  your ignition Francis, sounds like it may be weak.


 JB, Dave, & Jim,
Thanks for the replies.
I seem to be get a nice blue spark.  This engine uses  a modified HECO 
magneto that is chain driven.  My magneto person is  not too impressed with this 
type of magneto.  Furthermore, I can't  seem to find very much information for it 
on the Internet.
Yes, Dave, I tried a 3095 and a Wards #1 (take  apart) spark plugs.  I was 
able to disassemble the Ward plug and clean  it.  Regardless of what plug I was 
using, the engine would run for short  time before the plug fouled.  I'll try 
to find a "X" Champion type.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Nov  3 21:01:54 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:01:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
References: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014c01c5e0fc$e2a6f4a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

A few thoughts on this.
If the carb throat is too large, then the mixture will HAVE to be very rich 
for it to get any fuel at low gas speeds.( Even if it is ok for full on load 
and original speed.)
So, to run an engine at slow speed and no load, the carb bore needs 
reducing.
The half size models I make, (1 1/2 inch bore) run well on a 3/16 venturi at 
the needle and 1/4 lead in and out. This gives the gas some speed and allows 
fuel to be drawn up and mixed with the air.
I have made reducing inserts to fit in a few full size engines. They solved 
the trouble.
A choke plate partly closed helps but is only a band aid solution.
So, if you are keeping an engine, a few hours work will fix this problem for 
good and all. Just dont expect it to work hard with the mods.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy engine Plug Fouling


>
> In a message dated 11/3/2005 3:31:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> jbcast at charter.net writes:
>
> Check  your ignition Francis, sounds like it may be weak.
>
>
> JB, Dave, & Jim,
> Thanks for the replies.
> I seem to be get a nice blue spark.  This engine uses  a modified HECO
> magneto that is chain driven.  My magneto person is  not too impressed 
> with this
> type of magneto.  Furthermore, I can't  seem to find very much information 
> for it
> on the Internet.
> Yes, Dave, I tried a 3095 and a Wards #1 (take  apart) spark plugs.  I was
> able to disassemble the Ward plug and clean  it.  Regardless of what plug 
> I was
> using, the engine would run for short  time before the plug fouled.  I'll 
> try
> to find a "X" Champion type.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 20:57:56 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:57:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
Message-ID: <20051104.000350.1356.9.jlb94@juno.com>

You should have tried affixing the propeller on top of your beanie cap
and then
running around the yard with your arms outstretched going, "brum, brum,
brum!"
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        
Ohhh Ma God !!!
Cabin Feaver is setting in already !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 (_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 20:53:47 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:53:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
Message-ID: <20051104.000350.1356.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Adam.
Is there such a thing ?

I have never seen embossed glass on oilers.

I would like to see a pic of one if anyone has them.

If embossing means raised - I haven't seen those either.

I know there is an acid you can buy at the craft stores.
If you make a stencil, you can DIY.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
(_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and Bear
Arms."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 20:50:02 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:50:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <20051104.000350.1356.6.jlb94@juno.com>

My guess would be to heavy an intake valve spring ???

Or - - - Did you check the condition of the needle valve ?
Is it rounded off ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 (_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."


From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov  3 22:37:02 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:07:02 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <20051104.000350.1356.8.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c5e10a$2a95cc70$13c88890@chaos>

a picture of a penberthy here, with raised lettering
http://www.geocities.com/dgj.geo/otherbits.htm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


> Hi Adam.
> Is there such a thing ?
> 
> I have never seen embossed glass on oilers.
> 
> I would like to see a pic of one if anyone has them.
> 
> If embossing means raised - I haven't seen those either.
> 
> I know there is an acid you can buy at the craft stores.
> If you make a stencil, you can DIY.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
> the one 
> (_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and Bear
> Arms."
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>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 22:50:38 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:50:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <003e01c5e0ea$56a39f60$e9ee4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <006101c5e10c$1103dc50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Didn't catch that on the original post but I agree now. 
> Regardless, Anybody ever seen an oiler glass with writting on it?

Lonergan made some spiffy oilers with raised lettering as did Hornsby and who
knows how many other manufacturers.  Here's a picture of an oiler that's kind of
neat, but the lettering is rather plain.  It says:

2
DETROIT OIL CUP
PAT'D APRIL 9 1872

http://temp.rustyiron.com/oiler.jpg





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 23:02:37 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:02:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
Message-ID: <006601c5e10d$c68cd530$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> > Didn't catch that on the original post but I agree now. 
> > Regardless, Anybody ever seen an oiler glass with writting on it?

And here is one that can be your very own:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558793459

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 23:24:25 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:24:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <006101c5e10c$1103dc50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


And here's a Longergan that you'll surely want!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558826284\





From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 05:30:53 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:30:53 EST
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <1c8.351ecfb5.309cbc8d@aol.com>



Francis,

Is the engine lugging and blowing black smoke as in too rich a mixture, or 
could it be from rings not seated and too much oil passing the rings?  If the 
engine is not lugging from too rich gas mixture it sounds like it may be a 
ring/oil problem.  Shut the oil off for a short period of time, or just a couple 
drops/minute and see if this helps.  Also, how about timing causing a not 
complete burn of fuel?  Most of my Economy's like to run with the choke 3/4+ closed 
especially at slower speeds, but this does not mean they are rich mixtures 
causing plug fouling.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov  4 06:25:08 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:25:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy? (VERY OT)
In-Reply-To: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511040919080.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>

Sorry Dave,  The Scientologist's space alien, Xenu, bought the patents and
has them stored in his mountain cave protected by the Eternal Battery.

See ya,  Arnie

PS - The 250 mpg carb and the pill that turns water to petrol are also
stored in the same cave.

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Dave Croft wrote:

> See http://pesn.com/2005/07/01/9600118_GMCC_REMAT/
> (Not that I believe a word of it!)



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov  4 06:35:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:35:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
In-Reply-To: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>
References: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051104093146.0d54d960@mail.alltel.net>


>   Regardless of what plug I was
>using, the engine would run for short  time before the plug fouled.  I'll try
>to find a "X" Champion type.
>Francis  Maciel

Hi Francis,
         I have to buy them by the box--ie 10 at a time. I just bought a 
box and can snail you one if you desire. I'm paying $23.00 each for them. 
Let me know off List if you want one.
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov  4 06:56:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511040955020.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rob,

I think that will be a neat auction to watch.  ISTR they go for money
close to swing-top Lunks.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:

> And here's a Longergan that you'll surely want!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558826284\



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov  4 09:18:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:18:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring 2006
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511041213140.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>

Folks,

Mark your calendars.
The Spring show at Coolspring will be June 15-17, 2006.

The feature will be:  "Odd, Strange, and Curious Engines"
THAT should be one helluva show!!

http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov  4 12:39:59 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:39:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring 2006
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511041213140.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511041213140.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051104153826.043c3ae0@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:18 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote:
>Folks,
>Mark your calendars.
>The Spring show at Coolspring will be June 15-17, 2006.
>The feature will be:  "Odd, Strange, and Curious Engines"
>THAT should be one helluva show!!
>http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/
>See ya,  Arnie

Arnie, You read the blurb wrong. The feature is "Odd, Strange, and Curious 
Engine Collectors." We should be right at home!
         Dave 



From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Fri Nov  4 15:26:24 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:26:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Embossed oiler glasses
Message-ID: <31134632.1131146784528.JavaMail.root@web06sl>

Hi guys,
           thanks very much for the replys, you are all fantastic!. To me embossed means raised lettering, ive got a couple of engines with this type of oiler, penbethy, lunkehimer and detroit injector company are the ones I have just at a glance.(yes i know ive spelt half of them wrong)

The Detroit one i have is split and I would dearly love a new glass for it so I can place it on an engine. 

Id like to put embost glasses in all my engines and I think they look really good and finish off an engine nicely... 

Surly someone some place must be making repros?

Adam


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Fri Nov  4 17:55:50 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:55:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <006701c5e1ac$0cebed60$4ed14c0c@D48VHZ61>

Its nice but I don't own anything fancy enough to justify such an adorable 
trinket!!!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:24 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


>
> And here's a Longergan that you'll surely want!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558826284\
>
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov  4 20:09:12 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:09:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
Message-ID: <20051105040900.RNS14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I fitted my engines own, refurbished, Webster today and filled the fuel tank
up. It is now running as it should :)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05110501.AVI


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov  4 20:18:29 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:18:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Throttle-governed vertical Stovers?
Message-ID: <20051105041814.BQRX17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Does anyone on the list know of any other throttle-governed vertical
Stovers? We know of three here in Oz, Edd's 4hp, my 6hp, and another 6hp in
Tasmania. 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Nov  4 10:39:12 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:39:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <436BAAD0.2030900@quicknet.nl>

19.40



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  5 02:12:59 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:12:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <110520051012.29945.436C85AB000D7AA1000074F921979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

John,
Received your msg ok here.
Curt


> 19.40
> 
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From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Sat Nov  5 03:00:17 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:00:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <110520051012.29945.436C85AB000D7AA1000074F921979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c5e1f8$1ebeffe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Thanks Curt,
  Someone is blocking my IP lately when I post to the list.
My messages don't coming through or after 3-4 days.
Have to find out where the knot sits.

John H.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Test


> John,
> Received your msg ok here.
> Curt
> 
> 
> > 19.40




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Nov  3 11:29:07 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:29:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <000701c5e0ac$df69d960$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

20.30



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Nov  5 03:34:27 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:34:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
References: <20051105040900.RNS14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002501c5e1fc$e2d2c840$ef85dccb@oemcomputer>

Now it sounds as it should.Great mate.Glad it's all working for you.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:09
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video


> I fitted my engines own, refurbished, Webster today and filled the fuel
tank
> up. It is now running as it should :)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05110501.AVI
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 13:48:14 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:48:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <20051105214815.51668.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I am
now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18" diameter
flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this thing
be brought back to life without extrodinary measures? 
I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in advance.

Jim Moran
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com

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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Nov  5 14:22:30 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:22:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
References: <20051105214815.51668.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Jim,

How about telling us a few more details like make and model, missing parts 
or complete and so on.  In answer to your question anything can be restored, 
it just depends on how much time and money you want to invest.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I am
now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18" diameter
flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this thing
be brought back to life without extrodinary measures?
I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in advance.

Jim Moran
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com

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From rtbush at charter.net  Sat Nov  5 14:48:45 2005
From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:48:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <20051105214815.51668.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
	<007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <436D36CD.5000603@charter.net>

If possible, a few pictures would be helpful. You know, that thousand 
words thing. And it's nice to have some "as found" shots before too much 
work is done. But like Jim said, "anything (almost) can be restored". 
The fun is in seeing it run again. It can be a very exciting and 
rewarding moment.  Good luck.
    Bob
 
  Bob Bushorr
   Brimfield, MA

Jim and Diane wrote:

>Hi Jim,
>
>How about telling us a few more details like make and model, missing parts 
>or complete and so on.  In answer to your question anything can be restored, 
>it just depends on how much time and money you want to invest.
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
>Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
>
>
>OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I am
>now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18" diameter
>flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this thing
>be brought back to life without extrodinary measures?
>I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
>folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in advance.
>
>Jim Moran
>jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 14:52:36 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:52:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

J and D-
Understand...I am very interested in this item but,
unfortunately, I don't know too much about the
technology (so to speak).  The H-n-M is totally
there...the metal is solid and I fully believe that
the mag is in need of replacement.  No, the flywheel
do not freely spin, but I have not delved into why
that is.  Remember, it sat "in the weeds" for decades.
 Damn shame, but I think that these artifacts deserve
at least a bit of attention.  There is a long story
behind all of this and, if you and the others within
the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I don't
wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
to me but hold no interest to others.
Thanks for your reply, at any rate.
JM

--- Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> How about telling us a few more details like make
> and model, missing parts 
> or complete and so on.  In answer to your question
> anything can be restored, 
> it just depends on how much time and money you want
> to invest.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
> Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know
> nothing!!!
> 
> 
> OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I
> am
> now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18"
> diameter
> flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this
> thing
> be brought back to life without extrodinary
> measures?
> I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
> folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in
> advance.
> 
> Jim Moran
> jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
> 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 15:29:10 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:29:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <436D36CD.5000603@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20051105232910.16285.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>


BB-
While I am up-to-date in certain regards, when it
comes to photography I am (by today's standards) kinda
"steam driven".  I understand and will make every
effort to post digital images.
Are you (and yours) strickly H -n- M enthusiasts or do
you care about other stuff such as tractors, etc.?
Thanks for the time you took to respond.
JM
--- Bob Bushorr <rtbush at charter.net> wrote:

> If possible, a few pictures would be helpful. You
> know, that thousand 
> words thing. And it's nice to have some "as found"
> shots before too much 
> work is done. But like Jim said, "anything (almost)
> can be restored". 
> The fun is in seeing it run again. It can be a very
> exciting and 
> rewarding moment.  Good luck.
>     Bob
>  
>   Bob Bushorr
>    Brimfield, MA
> 
> Jim and Diane wrote:
> 
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >How about telling us a few more details like make
> and model, missing parts 
> >or complete and so on.  In answer to your question
> anything can be restored, 
> >it just depends on how much time and money you want
> to invest.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >Jim and Diane Kirkes
> >Hemet, CA
> >jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> >To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know
> nothing!!!
> >
> >
> >OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I
> am
> >now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18"
> diameter
> >flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this
> thing
> >be brought back to life without extrodinary
> measures?
> >I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
> >folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in
> advance.
> >
> >Jim Moran
> >jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  5 16:10:06 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:10:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way 4.5hp fan pulley measurements
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2E3A17EC79196B6A84D61BB620@phx.gbl>

  Here are some measurments I took yesterday...sorry for the blur.

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom/4

Let me know if you need more...pulley and fan HUB casting are 2 separate 
pieces..look's like maybe a shrink fit.

RickinMt. 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 16:31:03 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051106003103.72952.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Come on Jim,
Let's hear the story.
If the story ends with you getting the engine then I am interested.  8>))
 
Alan
BTW,,,,  Details???,,,, Pictures???,,,,,  Let's have more info about what you got.

James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
J and D-
Understand...I am very interested in this item but,
unfortunately, I don't know too much about the
technology (so to speak). The H-n-M is totally
there...the metal is solid and I fully believe that
the mag is in need of replacement. No, the flywheel
do not freely spin, but I have not delved into why
that is. Remember, it sat "in the weeds" for decades.
Damn shame, but I think that these artifacts deserve
at least a bit of attention. There is a long story
behind all of this and, if you and the others within
the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
facts to you collectively. On the other hand, I don't
wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
to me but hold no interest to others.
Thanks for your reply, at any rate.
JM


		
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 17:12:03 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
Message-ID: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc. 
Thanks in advance.
Ron



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov  5 17:12:54 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:12:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> at least a bit of attention.  There is a long story
> behind all of this and, if you and the others within
> the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
> facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I don't
> wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
> to me but hold no interest to others.

Hiya Jim,
The story is the best part!  Please, lay it on us.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 










From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 17:56:44 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:56:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106015644.8750.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Promptly....tomorrow.
You'll (maybe) enjoy and/or become angry.  Time will
tell.
JM

--- Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> > at least a bit of attention.  There is a long
> story
> > behind all of this and, if you and the others
> within
> > the "group" would be interested, I would relate
> the
> > facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I
> don't
> > wish to bore people with stories that are of
> interest
> > to me but hold no interest to others.
> 
> Hiya Jim,
> The story is the best part!  Please, lay it on us.
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  5 17:06:54 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:06:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
References: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV208345229405222B24B80CBB620@phx.gbl>

Luv them stories JM..fire away

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


> J and D-
> Understand...I am very interested in this item but,
> unfortunately, I don't know too much about the
> technology (so to speak).  The H-n-M is totally
> there...the metal is solid and I fully believe that
> the mag is in need of replacement.  No, the flywheel
> do not freely spin, but I have not delved into why
> that is.  Remember, it sat "in the weeds" for decades.
>  Damn shame, but I think that these artifacts deserve
> at least a bit of attention.  There is a long story
> behind all of this and, if you and the others within
> the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
> facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I don't
> wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
> to me but hold no interest to others.
> Thanks for your reply, at any rate.
> JM
> 
> --- Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > How about telling us a few more details like make
> > and model, missing parts 
> > or complete and so on.  In answer to your question
> > anything can be restored, 
> > it just depends on how much time and money you want
> > to invest.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > Jim and Diane Kirkes
> > Hemet, CA
> > jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know
> > nothing!!!
> > 
> > 
> > OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I
> > am
> > now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18"
> > diameter
> > flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this
> > thing
> > be brought back to life without extrodinary
> > measures?
> > I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
> > folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in
> > advance.
> > 
> > Jim Moran
> > jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
> > 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Nov  5 20:21:29 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:21:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02ab01c5e28b$13f0d910$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I still really like my old Sony Mavica.
The floppy disc makes loading into the computer an easy task. Must have 
taken 10,000 + pics with it.
I believe they appear on ebay for peanuts now.

I bought a new little Fuji Finepix Z1 but havent got round to using it yet.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <PowerKingTractors at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new 
> machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as 
> regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural 
> and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, 
> brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Nov  5 21:30:21 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:30:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <436D94ED.7060300@fidnet.com>

Hi Ron,

I use an Olympus C770.  I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
zoom.  It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom.  I haven't yet used the 
digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom.  It is a 4 meg camera 
and takes very good pictures.  It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
to the camera.  I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.

Gary

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
>  http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> 
>   http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> 
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 23:38:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 07:38:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
In-Reply-To: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511052338h440bac5er45559e465d92fa4@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>

As Reggie has mentioned, the Sony Mavica cameras take a lot of
beating, but they are no longer available new, although lots available
secondhand.

I've used one for nearly four years with no problems at all, and we
have four in the family. Rita didn't like them as they are relatively
large compared with the newer, smaller models, but I like the large
viewing screen and although I have never used the floppy drive (all of
ours take the memory sticks in one way or another) it's always there
if I need it.

Battery life is very good, even better with Memory Sticks as you are
not powering the floppy drive for every picture.

Best/simplest Mavica is probably the MVC FD100, my own one is the MVC FD97.

Look at Steve's Digicams website for test drives of nearly every
camera on the market, Dolly recommended this site to me some time ago
and it is very good indeed.

http://www.steves-digicams.com

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 23:50:40 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 07:50:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines
Message-ID: <6f6025160511052350r70584a43h11ecd82f9914da3f@mail.gmail.com>

Picked up some Navy manuals a while back on the 'Superior' engine and
genny sets. One is a large lump, probably more than anyone would want
to drag around, but the other was a nice looking twin cylinder with
Delco 10kW 120V 83A dynamo..

Size is 183 cu ins, bhp 16.3 @ 1200rpm, weight is a bit heavy at
2200lbs dry for the engine and 530lbs for the dynamo.

Does anyone know if any of these are in preservation at all?

The large set is an 8 cylinder 1330cu in diesel, 152bhp @ 1200rpm, 
with 100kW Delco 3-phase alternator.

Manufactured by the National Supply Co, Springfield, Ohio.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 03:50:34 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 03:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <02ab01c5e28b$13f0d910$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20051106115034.19730.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Reg, I'll take a look and  see what's there. I'd be very happy with an older one. Guess I just like old things like me.
Ron

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
I still really like my old Sony Mavica.
The floppy disc makes loading into the computer an easy task. Must have 
taken 10,000 + pics with it.
I believe they appear on ebay for peanuts now.

I bought a new little Fuji Finepix Z1 but havent got round to using it yet.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
To: ; 

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new 
> machine to do this with. I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as 
> regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural 
> and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, 
> brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 04:04:24 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 04:04:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511052338h440bac5er45559e465d92fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051106120424.39875.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Pete, I take a look at the Site. Wow, there are a lot of choises out there.
Ron

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/6/05, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with. I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>

As Reggie has mentioned, the Sony Mavica cameras take a lot of
beating, but they are no longer available new, although lots available
secondhand.

I've used one for nearly four years with no problems at all, and we
have four in the family. Rita didn't like them as they are relatively
large compared with the newer, smaller models, but I like the large
viewing screen and although I have never used the floppy drive (all of
ours take the memory sticks in one way or another) it's always there
if I need it.

Battery life is very good, even better with Memory Sticks as you are
not powering the floppy drive for every picture.

Best/simplest Mavica is probably the MVC FD100, my own one is the MVC FD97.

Look at Steve's Digicams website for test drives of nearly every
camera on the market, Dolly recommended this site to me some time ago
and it is very good indeed.

http://www.steves-digicams.com

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Nov  6 04:58:29 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 07:58:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
Message-ID: <410-22005110612582946@coastalnet.com>

Ron,

Here is another good site with forums which might be helpful.
http://www.dpreview.com/  

Good luck in your quest.  If you decide to go towards the 
"high end"  and want a SLR, there are some pretty nice
offerings out there.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>; PowerKingTractors at yahoogroups.com
<PowerKingTractors at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 11/5/2005 8:36:21 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
>
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a
new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well
as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural
and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price,
brand batterys, etc. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 05:19:37 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:19:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
In-Reply-To: <20051106120424.39875.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160511052338h440bac5er45559e465d92fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051106120424.39875.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511060519n3f9c60can5a76a3b4ed73a444@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Pete, I take a look at the Site. Wow, there are a lot of choises out there.
> Ron
>

A few things to remember:

BIG megapixels make BIG files

2.1 megapixels at full resolution give an uncompressed file size of
5mb.  5 megapixels at full resolution and you are into 11mb, depending
on the settings of the camera.

If you have big hands like me, then the little cameras can be a pain
to use, although handy to slip into a pocket (and get lost!)

Memory Sticks or their equivalent are much handier to store images on,
most cameras will take up to 1gb or more, depending on how recent they
are. We have 8 memory sticks over the 4 cameras we have here, and we
also have plenty of spare batteries that we bought off ebay, so we
never run out of space or batteries!

The last camera we bought for Rita was particularly nice, but too
small for me, it was a Sony Cybershot DSC-V1. Really nice camera and
although the batteries are different to the Mavicas, it takes the same
Memory Sticks so we can still share those.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 05:24:53 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 05:24:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <436D94ED.7060300@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
Ron

Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:
Hi Ron,

I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.

Gary

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with. I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> 
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 06:55:34 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:55:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <1e2.483373e3.309f7366@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/5/2005 6:05:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:

<< the metal is solid and I fully believe that
 the mag is in need of replacement. >>


Jim

Most engines are worth the time and money to bring them back to life.  
However, this is not truly known without knowing the make and a complete evaluation 
and inspection of the major parts. As far as the mag replacement, this is 
usually a rebuild job at the most unless it has been completely broken.  As others 
have said give us some photos, make model, etc.  Maybe someone lives in you 
vicinity that could come and help you look it over and give you first hand 
advice. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  6 07:00:31 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:00:31 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> Gary Epps  wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
> camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
> zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
> digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
> and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
> to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
> Gary

> Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
> Ron

Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very pleased with it.
It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the camera by hand the shake has
almost been eliminated by the camera
See the last 5 pictures on
http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
Regards,
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  6 09:31:04 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:31:04 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
> 
> 
> > Gary Epps  wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> > I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
> > camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
> > zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
> > digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
> > and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
> > to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
> > Gary
> 
> > Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
> > Ron
> 
> Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very pleased with it.
> It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
> I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
> I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the camera by hand the shake has
> almost been eliminated by the camera
> See the last 5 pictures on
> http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
> Regards,
> Dave Croft

I don't normaly talk to myself but just a couple of points,
Webshots seems to be playing up by not letting you go to the next picture.
You have to go back & pick another!
The other thing is the camera has a X12 optical zoom.
See http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/KMZ3/Z3A.HTM
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 10:09:27 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:09:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106180927.14220.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

OK....I'll relate this tale in stages, as it embraces
over 100 years :-)
You might want to start by going to Google Earth and
searching 60 Golden Road, Rochester, New York 14624. 
You will see my wife's family's farm/business site. 
As an indicator, the barn behind the house bears a
"1902" plaque.
The Graham family began with a basic, upstate New York
farm (cows, chickens, struggle, etc.).  I have
unearthed a preponderance of records (as with most
folks who survived the depression and other travails)
NOTHIN' was ever too broke or old to discard.  The
earliest diary that I was able to find was dated 1902
with pencil scrawls such as "bot haf booshel #2 corn
seed OR solid my beens (you get the picture, I am
sure).
In 1913 (as far as I can determine) my wife's great
grandfather started up a fuel business, dealing in
oil, gasoline, and kerosene.  These materials were
delivered via horse drawn wagon and, in the winter, on
a sleigh affair.  I know this for certain because we
have a bevy of photos from that vintage AND the wagon
with its steel wheels is still there...buried in the
weeds along with all sorts of other relics, including
the hit -n- miss in which many of you seem to have an
avid interest.  It is a humorous note that the farm
house never "went oil" until my wife's (Cynthia in
name, by the way) grandfather went over the great
divide.  Reason?  Because, even though he sold fuel
oil, he did not trust it.  The home was heated with
wood or coal and they never installed "city water",
even though is it available right at the street.  The
old pump is still in the rear of the woodshed (off of
the kitchen) and still works to this day. 
Interestingly, the DID take advantage of city sewars. 
Don't ask me the rationale.
Anyway, the oil business did not end the farming
effort.  This is why I was able to find h-n-m stuff,
buzz saws, portable pumps, corn shredders and a raft
of other devices.  The farm tractors were (I'll put
this as gently as I can) "taken" by my wife's cousin. 
I know factually that there was an M and a robust
Oliver (which I loved).  I can't do anything about
that and will not try.  However....DAMMIT!
Again, as you scan north on your Google Earth image,
you will see three above ground storage tank, each
able to contain 20k gallons.  One was for oil, one for
gasoline, one for kero.  The shed that you'll see to
the west of the tank house the pumping unit which
moved the above-mentioned products to the correct
tank.  There is not and never was electricity run to
that shed.  How was the pumping accomplished?  By
utilizing the McCormick-Deering 10-20.  I am of the
belief that the M/D never saw too much action in the
fields.  Rather, it appears that it was bought as a
dedicated pump-driving machine.  I have searched for
the original bill of sale and the manuals, but, so
far, have come up empty.  In that the shed always
housed the pump and all, the elements did not wreak
havoc.  Funny, there was even a sort of old quilt
thrown over the hood of the tractor.  The floor of the
shed was of a very fine silt-like dirt (no concrete,
that is to say).  It was completely dry and, in fact,
there were fox holes inside of the building.  In
passing, let me note that I found (in the M/D's "tool
box")a record book for fuel transfers (deliveries) and
the date of that volume is 1957.  This would lead one
to the conclusion that that was the last year of
active service, but I know that this is not
accurate...the business went on until quite recently
and I know for a fact that the three tanks were closed
(in accordance to DEC, etc.) in 1993.  Hmmmm.....
As I have previously posted, the M/D is complete in
every way.  The sheet metal is intact (even the
ventilated/piano hinged engine shrouds).  Everything
is legible.  Both the left and right rear fenders call
out "McCormick Deering 10-20".  The serial plate is
perfect, reading the 10 and 20 horsepower statements
of which I am sure you all know so well.  Even the
"starting instructions" on the left housing is clear
as a bell. The front and rear steel wheels show
virtually no "wear"...the cleats are solid and fully
present.  While the body paint has oxidized, one can
see "tell tale" red pain on the rear steel wheels. 
The breather and the exhaust are undamaged, despite
that fact the the guys who dismantled the shed managed
to collapse the building down on top of the tractor!
After we carefully removed the debris of the destoyed
shed, I was able to get a strong look at the tractor
and, of course, make provisions to move it out of the
open air.  I was concerned that the wheels would be
frozen but, when I hooked onto the front with a slip
chain and began the tentative pull, all four went
around without even a creak!
The tractor has been moved to the concrete block
garage across from the farm house (again...look at the
Google thing and remember, that service is not real
time.  The images are about two years old, as I
understand it). This is a solid building...good roof,
really dry, and with a concrete floor.  Both the M/D
and the h-n-m are now safely inside and both claim to
be happy in their new digs :-).
Back to the "never throw anything away" lifestyle.  If
you look around your Google image, you will be able to
discern old oil delivery trucks and, even, an old
Caddy.  Between the "outside" ones and the ones that
were dumped "inside", I have to deal with a total of
nine such vehicles.  The fuel trucks (all outfitted
with multi-compartment tanks) are of the
fifties/sixties vintage.  This little gift was from
Cynthia's now dead uncle, a nice enough guy I guess,
but a slob of the first order.  He abandoned oil drums
and jugs filled with God-knows-what.  Naturally, these
must be disposed in a manner consistent with common
sense and in accordance to the DEC's firm opinions of
such things.  For any of you who have had experiences
with such situations, you will be familiar with Phase
I and Phase II analysis work.  We are now at the
conclusion of PII.  I know that there are three buried
tanks which will require excavation and the earth
surrounding them will also have to be removed and (as
I understand it) incinerated.
All of this misery is a result of the uncle kicking
off and Cynthia's old mother coming down with a really
bad case of the Altzheimer's.  It has fallen to us to
remediate the 77 acres of property and, then, find a
suitable buyer.  Again, scan east and west and you'll
see housing developments at each border ($250k+
private residence deals).  Once we have a clean bill
of health, some developer will buy the land, raze the
buildings, and do a build-out.  That will bring to an
end this whole unsavory affain.  Those of you savvy
enough to read between my lines will not be shocked to
discover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy
family members who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any
further, as it gives me ulcers :-).
Well, there are the broad strokes of it.  I don't have
the time to run spell check so forgive such mistakes,
please.  If any of you out there are close to
Rochester, please let me know.  I would be glad to
show you the tractor, etc.  As stated, I'll try to
post some photos.  BTW, the only "marking" on the
h-'n-m is on the mag...it reads "WICO".  Does that
mean anything to anyone.
If you have questions or comments, let me know.
Thanks.
JM

--- Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> > at least a bit of attention.  There is a long
> story
> > behind all of this and, if you and the others
> within
> > the "group" would be interested, I would relate
> the
> > facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I
> don't
> > wish to bore people with stories that are of
> interest
> > to me but hold no interest to others.
> 
> Hiya Jim,
> The story is the best part!  Please, lay it on us.
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
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> La Habra, California
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov  6 11:30:13 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:30:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <a4ba571fed14e33bb41819c314039db4@chartertn.net>

 From the subject of this thread, I figured it'd be about women. I was 
hoping to learn something.
  ;)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov  6 12:11:01 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:11:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Tornado
Message-ID: <000701c5e30e$36bf9660$2985dccb@oemcomputer>

Just seen on the morning news that there has been a deadly tornado in the US
mid west and the vision shown was in Evensville Indiana.Hope everyone we
know in that erea is OK
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 12:27:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:27:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <a4ba571fed14e33bb41819c314039db4@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051106202753.79227.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

JC-
That,too! :-)
JM

--- John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:

>  From the subject of this thread, I figured it'd be
> about women. I was 
> hoping to learn something.
>   ;)
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 13:05:07 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:05:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Tornado
In-Reply-To: <000701c5e30e$36bf9660$2985dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106210507.47074.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

EP-
I am in Rochester, New York.  The day dawned quiet and
pretty.  I painted a bit and, then, went out to work
in the barnyard.  Within minutes, the sky turned a
stinky gray/black.  By the time I put the tools away,
the rain was cutting sideways like needles.  I went
back to the house and the sky cleared.  I waited a
bit, went back out to resume and, again, it turned
foul.  The leaves were swirling not unlike a
whirlpool.  I gave up and, now, a couple of hours
later, the sun is slanting in from the west (it is now
about 4 PM here).
Welcome to western New York!
JM

--- edd payne <edsingns at winsoft.net.au> wrote:

> Just seen on the morning news that there has been a
> deadly tornado in the US
> mid west and the vision shown was in Evensville
> Indiana.Hope everyone we
> know in that erea is OK
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Nov  6 13:08:22 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:08:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
Message-ID: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>

Hi to the lists,

Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through about
17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park horse race
track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the river.  I destroyed the
pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it crossed an area of the Ohio
river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare land so there was no
damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where the mobile home court
is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a couple hundred trailers and
stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came through the south half
of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it started
knocking down power poles along a highway where my wife's cousin has a
restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that yet.  Further east yet,
it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where a family of four was
killed.

We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong breeze.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 14:08:17 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:08:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106220817.24076.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

GK-
I am in Rochester, New York.  We, too, "enjoyed" rain
and high winds but no substantial damage other than
leaves blowing by like center-fire bullets.
Glad that you are OK and hoping that your friends and
family are, as well.  A pity for those killed and
injured.  Trailers just can't take it, sadly.
JM

--- Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:

> Hi to the lists,
> 
> Since several of you have asked about the southern
> Indiana tornado near
> Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife
> didn't turn on the
> kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.
>  It came through about
> 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and
> the Ellis Park horse race
> track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the
> river.  I destroyed the
> pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it
> crossed an area of the Ohio
> river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare
> land so there was no
> damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where
> the mobile home court
> is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a
> couple hundred trailers and
> stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came
> through the south half
> of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then
> further east it started
> knocking down power poles along a highway where my
> wife's cousin has a
> restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that
> yet.  Further east yet,
> it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where
> a family of four was
> killed.
> 
> We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles
> and a strong breeze.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sun Nov  6 14:16:53 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:16:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines
References: <6f6025160511052350r70584a43h11ecd82f9914da3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c5e31f$cf0d64e0$885d1f40@Eagle>

    Is the small one a model IA diesel engine and the large one a model ID?
Those engines are listed in the 1939 National Supply catalog without
generators. With generators they appear to become models GA-2 and
GA-8.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <staionary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines


Picked up some Navy manuals a while back on the 'Superior' engine and
genny sets. One is a large lump, probably more than anyone would want
to drag around, but the other was a nice looking twin cylinder with
Delco 10kW 120V 83A dynamo..

Size is 183 cu ins, bhp 16.3 @ 1200rpm, weight is a bit heavy at
2200lbs dry for the engine and 530lbs for the dynamo.

Does anyone know if any of these are in preservation at all?

The large set is an 8 cylinder 1330cu in diesel, 152bhp @ 1200rpm, 
with 100kW Delco 3-phase alternator.

Manufactured by the National Supply Co, Springfield, Ohio.

Peter
--
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov  6 14:37:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:37:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>

Glenn,  
    You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10  miles south of 
me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my knowledge, there were no 
serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes around here.  One in 
November is especially unusual.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Glenn A Karch wrote:

>Hi to the lists,
>
>Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
>Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
>kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through about 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park horse race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it crossed an area of the Ohio river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare land so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where the mobile home court is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a couple hundred trailers and stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came through the south half of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it started knocking down power poles along a highway where my wife's cousin has a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that yet.  Further east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where a family of four was
>killed.
>
>We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong breeze.
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov  6 15:30:15 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:30:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
	<436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that include MO........I have a 
friend in Marthasville.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm


> Glenn,  You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10  miles south of 
> me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my knowledge, there were no 
> serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes around here.  One in 
> November is especially unusual.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Glenn A Karch wrote:
>
>>Hi to the lists,
>>
>>Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
>>Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
>>kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through 
>>about 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park 
>>horse race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the river.  I 
>>destroyed the pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it crossed an 
>>area of the Ohio river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare land 
>>so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where the 
>>mobile home court is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a couple 
>>hundred trailers and stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came 
>>through the south half of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then 
>>further east it started knocking down power poles along a highway where my 
>>wife's cousin has a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that 
>>yet.  Further east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia Springs 
>>where a family of four was
>>killed.
>>
>>We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong breeze.
>>
>>Glenn
>>
>>Glenn Karch
>>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>Hercules Historian
>>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 15:31:05 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:31:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051106233105.37154.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

TT, et. al.-
When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
that point.
JM

--- Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> Glenn,  
>     You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10
>  miles south of 
> me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my
> knowledge, there were no 
> serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes
> around here.  One in 
> November is especially unusual.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> Glenn A Karch wrote:
> 
> >Hi to the lists,
> >
> >Since several of you have asked about the southern
> Indiana tornado near
> >Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife
> didn't turn on the
> >kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early
> news.  It came through about 17 miles south of us. 
> It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park horse
> race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of
> the river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand
> areas.  From there it crossed an area of the Ohio
> river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare
> land so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east
> of my farm is where the mobile home court is.  It is
> a large trailer court with possibly a couple hundred
> trailers and stretches for over a half a mile.  The
> tornado came through the south half of the trailer
> area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it
> started knocking down power poles along a highway
> where my wife's cousin has a restaurant and flower
> shop, but no news about that yet.  Further east yet,
> it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where
> a family of four was
> >killed.
> >
> >We are safe and sound with only a few rain
> sprinkles and a strong breeze.
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >Glenn Karch
> >Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >Hercules Historian
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov  6 15:38:09 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:38:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <004f01c5e32b$28e8c710$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I have been very happy with my Fuji 602 but after three years a " Spot '' 
has appeared off centre on the images . I am informed it is on the CCD and 
not the lens . Not much you can do about it except get another camera . I am 
considering a Fuji 950.
Built in bloody obsolescence..........not like old engines!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
>>
>>
>> > Gary Epps  wrote:
>> > Hi Ron,
>> > I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket
>> > camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical
>> > zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the
>> > digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera
>> > and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated
>> > to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
>> > Gary
>>
>> > Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
>> > Ron
>>
>> Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very 
>> pleased with it.
>> It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
>> I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & 
>> tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
>> I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the 
>> camera by hand the shake has
>> almost been eliminated by the camera
>> See the last 5 pictures on
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
>> Regards,
>> Dave Croft
>
> I don't normaly talk to myself but just a couple of points,
> Webshots seems to be playing up by not letting you go to the next picture.
> You have to go back & pick another!
> The other thing is the camera has a X12 optical zoom.
> See http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/KMZ3/Z3A.HTM
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sun Nov  6 17:11:32 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:11:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>	<436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
	<004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <436EA9C4.4030501@fidnet.com>

Peter, the Midwest does indeed include MO.  I believe Kansas City, MO is 
close to the geographic center of the US.  The term Midwest includes a 
very large area of the US.  I am not sure that MO had any severe weather 
last night like Indiana did.

Gary

peter ogborne wrote:
> Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that include MO........I have a 
> friend in Marthasville.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> 
> 
>> Glenn,  You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10  miles south 
>> of me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my knowledge, there were 
>> no serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes around here.  
>> One in November is especially unusual.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> Glenn A Karch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to the lists,
>>>
>>> Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
>>> Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
>>> kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through 
>>> about 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis 
>>> Park horse race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the 
>>> river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there 
>>> it crossed an area of the Ohio river bottoms where I have a farm.  
>>> The farm is bare land so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east 
>>> of my farm is where the mobile home court is.  It is a large trailer 
>>> court with possibly a couple hundred trailers and stretches for over 
>>> a half a mile.  The tornado came through the south half of the 
>>> trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it started 
>>> knocking down power poles along a highway where my wife's cousin has 
>>> a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that yet.  Further 
>>> east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where a 
>>> family of four was
>>> killed.
>>>
>>> We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong 
>>> breeze.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> Glenn Karch
>>> Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>> Hercules Historian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
> 
> 
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> 

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at a leisurely pace.



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 17:47:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:47:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <436EA9C4.4030501@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <20051107014709.17636.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

GE-
Unsettled here in western New York...windy and
"stinky".  I am sorry for the many who have been
negatively affected in the midwest.  I have read about
children (trailer park, largely) wandering about
looking for their parents.
JM

--- Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:

> Peter, the Midwest does indeed include MO.  I
> believe Kansas City, MO is 
> close to the geographic center of the US.  The term
> Midwest includes a 
> very large area of the US.  I am not sure that MO
> had any severe weather 
> last night like Indiana did.
> 
> Gary
> 
> peter ogborne wrote:
> > Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that
> include MO........I have a 
> > friend in Marthasville.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy
> Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> > 
> > 
> >> Glenn,  You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only
> about 10  miles south 
> >> of me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my
> knowledge, there were 
> >> no serious injuries.  We've had our share of
> tornadoes around here.  
> >> One in November is especially unusual.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
> >> Magnolia, KY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Glenn A Karch wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi to the lists,
> >>>
> >>> Since several of you have asked about the
> southern Indiana tornado near
> >>> Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My
> wife didn't turn on the
> >>> kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early
> news.  It came through 
> >>> about 17 miles south of us.  It hit
> Munfordville, KY and the Ellis 
> >>> Park horse race track which is in KY but on the
> Indiana side of the 
> >>> river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand
> areas.  From there 
> >>> it crossed an area of the Ohio river bottoms
> where I have a farm.  
> >>> The farm is bare land so there was no damage
> there.  Just a mile east 
> >>> of my farm is where the mobile home court is. 
> It is a large trailer 
> >>> court with possibly a couple hundred trailers
> and stretches for over 
> >>> a half a mile.  The tornado came through the
> south half of the 
> >>> trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then
> further east it started 
> >>> knocking down power poles along a highway where
> my wife's cousin has 
> >>> a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about
> that yet.  Further 
> >>> east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia
> Springs where a 
> >>> family of four was
> >>> killed.
> >>>
> >>> We are safe and sound with only a few rain
> sprinkles and a strong 
> >>> breeze.
> >>>
> >>> Glenn
> >>>
> >>> Glenn Karch
> >>> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >>> Hercules Historian
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> SEL mailing list
> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where
> both life and I move 
> at a leisurely pace.
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov  6 17:49:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:49:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>	<436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
	<004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <436EB2B6.6000807@scrtc.com>

Peter,

    I'm unaware of tornadoes in Missouri.  Indiana and Kentucky were the 
only areas hit that the news has reported.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



> Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that include MO........I have 
> a friend in Marthasville.
>




From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Nov  6 19:11:28 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:11:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way 4.5hp fan pulley measurements
References: <BAY109-DAV2E3A17EC79196B6A84D61BB620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <014601c5e348$f240a340$210110ac@service>

Rick, just what im looking for, thanks a lot, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Way 4.5hp fan pulley measurements


>   Here are some measurments I took yesterday...sorry for the blur.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom/4
> 
> Let me know if you need more...pulley and fan HUB casting are 2 separate 
> pieces..look's like maybe a shrink fit.
> 
> RickinMt. 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 19:51:36 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 22:51:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tulare Swap Meet
Message-ID: <19c.401d452b.30a02948@aol.com>

Hi List,
I was able to go to the Tulare swap meet this week end.   Lot of interesting 
items for sale.  There was a couple of engines (Dishpan  Fairbanks Morse & IHC 
LA) that nearly followed me home.  However,  I did NOT think they were made 
of gold as the sellers did.  They both  needed a lot of TLC.
There was several members of EDGE & TA Branch 27 getting rid of  their 
surplus equipment.
In talking with some of the people at the meet, I found out that  many drove 
a considerable distant to come to this meet.  I would estimate  there were 
about 50 - 60 sellers of engines, equipment, and tractors.  Some  of the 
attendees said that the selling crowd was smaller this year than  last year.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 13:01:26 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:01:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <20051106210126.3950.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Dave. I'll look into that one.
Ron

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
> 
> 
> > Gary Epps wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> > I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
> > camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
> > zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
> > digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
> > and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
> > to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
> > Gary
> 
> > Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
> > Ron
> 
> Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very pleased with it.
> It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
> I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
> I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the camera by hand the shake has
> almost been eliminated by the camera
> See the last 5 pictures on
> http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
> Regards,
> Dave Croft

I don't normaly talk to myself but just a couple of points,
Webshots seems to be playing up by not letting you go to the next picture.
You have to go back & pick another!
The other thing is the camera has a X12 optical zoom.
See http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/KMZ3/Z3A.HTM
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:44:11 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:44:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines
In-Reply-To: <002101c5e31f$cf0d64e0$885d1f40@Eagle>
References: <6f6025160511052350r70584a43h11ecd82f9914da3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c5e31f$cf0d64e0$885d1f40@Eagle>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511062344o4223af03k7f6b45da03d430a7@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, Bob Willman <blcksmth at wcnet.org> wrote:
>     Is the small one a model IA diesel engine and the large one a model ID?
> Those engines are listed in the 1939 National Supply catalog without
> generators. With generators they appear to become models GA-2 and
> GA-8.
>
> Bob Willman

Hi Bob:

I have a 1949 American Diesel Engine Catalog with most manufacturers
in it, but the Superior engines in there are much larger, 4 cylinders
and above.

Can you scan a picture out of your info and email it over?  we are on
DSL so size isn't a problem.

Thanks,

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:45:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <20051106233105.37154.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
	<20051106233105.37154.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511062345nea1d383u5961925f4651fac6@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> TT, et. al.-
> When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> that point.
> JM
>

One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Mon Nov  7 00:15:04 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:15:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bendigo Swap - Whos going??
Message-ID: <13078503.1131351305423.JavaMail.root@web06sl>

Hi guys,
           was wondering who was planning to head to the Bendigo swap on the weekend?

Adam


From flywheel at netconnect.com.au  Mon Nov  7 02:34:45 2005
From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:34:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bendigo Swap - Whos going??
In-Reply-To: <13078503.1131351305423.JavaMail.root@web06sl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051107213413.00c106b0@mail.netconnect.com.au>

I am!

Wouldn't ever miss it :)

Regards,

Mark

At 07:15 PM 07/11/2005 +1100, Adam Cottrill wrote:
>Hi guys,
>            was wondering who was planning to head to the Bendigo swap on 
> the weekend?
>
>Adam
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  7 03:25:17 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:25:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <110720051125.16455.436F399D00057B120000404721979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Glad to help John, anytime!
Curt


> Thanks Curt,
>   Someone is blocking my IP lately when I post to the list.
> My messages don't coming through or after 3-4 days.
> Have to find out where the knot sits.
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Test
> 
> 
> > John,
> > Received your msg ok here.
> > Curt
> > 
> > 
> > > 19.40
> 
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Nov  7 03:43:22 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:43:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <004f01c5e32b$28e8c710$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>	<001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>
	<004f01c5e32b$28e8c710$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <436F3DDA.3060403@steamengine.com.au>

Thinking of Digital - go http://www.dpreview.com/ before you buy!

Nice unbiased reasonably scientific and consistent reviews.

Paul

peter ogborne wrote:
> I have been very happy with my Fuji 602 but after three years a " Spot 
> '' has appeared off centre on the images . I am informed it is on the 
> CCD and not the lens . Not much you can do about it except get another 
> camera . I am considering a Fuji 950.
> Built in bloody obsolescence..........not like old engines!
> 
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  7 04:08:45 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:08:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
In-Reply-To: <20051105040900.RNS14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F20B25A5D1EF09A57074BA8C8650@phx.gbl>

Sounds great Patrick!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=============

>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
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>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
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>Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
>Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:09:12 +1100
>
>I fitted my engines own, refurbished, Webster today and filled the fuel 
>tank
>up. It is now running as it should :)
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05110501.AVI
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
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From jimp53 at juno.com  Mon Nov  7 07:15:25 2005
From: jimp53 at juno.com (Jim Parenteau)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] unubscribe
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov  7 08:16:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:16:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] unubscribe
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov  7 09:08:30 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:08:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] H&M Famous question
Message-ID: <436F8A0E.7040004@imc-group.com>

At Cotton Ginning Days my 8HP Famous sawrig got to where it was latching 
out less and less and the speed was getting higher and higher. Now I 
need to make the repair to correct this. I have the latchout lever out 
and have determined the only worn part is the roller that runs on the 
governor ring. At the moment it measures 1.20 OD.

I am guessing they made this a "normal" diameter and in the "as new" 
condition should be 1.250 diameter. Can someone can confirm this?

Also this part has no heat treat, which was a real surprise. Perhaps it 
has been replaced in the past and is why it wore out....
Does anyone know if this part was originally heat treated? Or did they 
leave it soft to save the governor ring?

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov  7 09:27:11 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:27:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)
Message-ID: <436F8E6F.6070700@imc-group.com>

During the summer I posted some pictures of a tray cooled early Alamo 
that followed me home. I've been putting it together over the last few 
months. There was one missing part and I made a pattern of the latch out 
arm, had it cast, and machined it. The latch out works well now.

Now I am working on timing the engine, getting the exhaust valve opening 
and closing at the right time, and the ignitor tripping at the right time.

This is a walking beam style engine. I have adjusted the button on the 
bottom of the exhaust valve so that the exhaust valve closes right at 
TDC or just the slightest bit past TDC. That's as it should be. But as I 
continue to roll it thru the valve doesn't open until fully at BTC or 
even slightly PAST BTC on the exhaust cycle.

So far all the old gas engines I've worked on open the exhaust valve 
roughly 2/3's the way thru the power stroke. They all close the exhaust 
valve at TDC or 5? past TDC.

Could some of you fellows with old style Alamo's have a look at your 
engines and share what you see on your engines? Maybe this is the way 
Alamo designed it???

Curt Holland
Scratchin' my head in Gastonia, NC


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Nov  7 09:49:14 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:49:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
Message-ID: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>

Peter:

Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to Minnesota, 
there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to ship 
wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very interesting 
place.

Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.

Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a healthy 
respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.

Regards,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>
>On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > TT, et. al.-
> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> > that point.
> > JM
> >
>
>One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov  7 10:34:29 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:34:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)
In-Reply-To: <436F8E6F.6070700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <011d01c5e3c9$e4e10150$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> bottom of the exhaust valve so that the exhaust valve closes right at 
> TDC or just the slightest bit past TDC. That's as it should 
> be. But as I continue to roll it thru the valve doesn't open until fully at
BTC or 
> even slightly PAST BTC on the exhaust cycle.

Hi Curt,
This is nothing to get upset about.  There were plenty of old engines that fail
to meet the criteria of the 21st century top-fueler.  Sometimes the cam just
doesn't have the duration that you're looking for.  

Two things to remember:

1.  Consider a mark on the flywheel that is rotating.  As that mark approaches a
point indicating tdc, the speed of the piston is approaching zero.  So if you're
a few degress early or late, the actual effect is negligable.

2.  Modern engines open the exhaust early to allow the expanding gasses
oportunity to expand out of the cylinder so the engine doesn't have to work as
hard to push them out.  On a slow running engine, the valve can be opened much
later, allowing more use of the expanding gasses without causing the engine to
work excessively to exhaust the gasses.  But the trig involved in Rule 1 also
applies, so as the piston approaches the bottom of its travel, the power derived
from the pressure in the cylinder approaches zero.  

Experiment:
1.  Set the exhaust timing to open as early as you can.  Listen to the exhaust
report.  
2.  Set the exhuast timing to open near bottom.  Listen to the exhuast report.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 











From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov  7 10:54:33 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:54:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051106015644.8750.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012601c5e3cc$b29f1210$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Promptly....tomorrow.
> You'll (maybe) enjoy and/or become angry.  

Hi Jim,
Yep, I enjoyed the story.  It's great that you were able to salvage some of
gramp's iron.  The history of the iron is very important and becomes rarer as
time passes, memories fade, and collectors just tip over.  Thanks for taking the
time to share it.

Rob





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 11:29:02 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:29:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <012601c5e3cc$b29f1210$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051107192902.97551.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

While that ain't ALL it, it is representative.  Thanks
for your response.
My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
skill/knowledge set to remediate those old articles. 
Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at least,
interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy for
its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00 off
of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
JM

--- Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> > Promptly....tomorrow.
> > You'll (maybe) enjoy and/or become angry.  
> 
> Hi Jim,
> Yep, I enjoyed the story.  It's great that you were
> able to salvage some of
> gramp's iron.  The history of the iron is very
> important and becomes rarer as
> time passes, memories fade, and collectors just tip
> over.  Thanks for taking the
> time to share it.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 14:59:37 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:59:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
Message-ID: <22e.a0250f.30a13659@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & 
tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom. >>


Hi Dave,

Can you believe those steeple jack ladders??  Wonder how they got them up 
there?
They must be crazy to say the least!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Nov  7 16:16:30 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:16:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <436FEE5E.5090309@fidnet.com>

Actually it is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.  It is just above 
Paridise, MI.  There is also a lighthouse museum there as well.  I find 
the area to be a very quiet and restful place.  It is a quietness that 
you don't expect.

As an aside, Paridise is in the UP and Hell is down closer to Detroit.

Gary

William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
> Peter:
> 
> Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to 
> Minnesota, there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is 
> devoted to ship wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond 
> Fitzgerald, very interesting place.
> 
> Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.
> 
> Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a 
> healthy respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.
> 
> Regards,
> Peg Pfeiffer
> 
> 
>> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>>
>> On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > TT, et. al.-
>> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
>> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
>> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
>> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
>> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
>> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
>> > that point.
>> > JM
>> >
>>
>> One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?
>>
>> Peter
>> -- 
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov  7 16:25:26 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:25:26 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras (Now OT)
References: <22e.a0250f.30a13659@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c5e3fa$eba90920$fa4c1152@no1>

http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
> << I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & 
> tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom. >>
> 
> Hi Dave,
> Can you believe those steeple jack ladders??  Wonder how they got them up 
> there?
> They must be crazy to say the least!
> Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom, I was showing the picture in the Pub last night & a friend of mine said his young
son had spotted the ladders & was fascinated. I gave him the picture.
This evening I rang the steeplejack & told him of the lads interest & asked when they would 
be up the ladders again.
He said they were waiting for a government grant & it would be about Easter before they finished the job.
He said the ladders were held in place by pins they drove into the bricks & they would remove them when 
the job was finished.
I asked him was he brave or stupid to do that job  & he said "Probably Both" & started laughing.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov  7 16:53:12 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:53:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)
References: <436F8E6F.6070700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5e3fe$ccdc11a0$a685dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Curt.I just went out and checked my Alamo and it is opening the valve at
about 15Deg before bottom and closing rite on top.If I try to get it earlier
and later  the valve rides and lets go comp as it goes past top on the
firing stroke.My engine runs good at this setting.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:27
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)


> During the summer I posted some pictures of a tray cooled early Alamo
> that followed me home. I've been putting it together over the last few
> months. There was one missing part and I made a pattern of the latch out
> arm, had it cast, and machined it. The latch out works well now.
>
> Now I am working on timing the engine, getting the exhaust valve opening
> and closing at the right time, and the ignitor tripping at the right time.
>
> This is a walking beam style engine. I have adjusted the button on the
> bottom of the exhaust valve so that the exhaust valve closes right at
> TDC or just the slightest bit past TDC. That's as it should be. But as I
> continue to roll it thru the valve doesn't open until fully at BTC or
> even slightly PAST BTC on the exhaust cycle.
>
> So far all the old gas engines I've worked on open the exhaust valve
> roughly 2/3's the way thru the power stroke. They all close the exhaust
> valve at TDC or 5? past TDC.
>
> Could some of you fellows with old style Alamo's have a look at your
> engines and share what you see on your engines? Maybe this is the way
> Alamo designed it???
>
> Curt Holland
> Scratchin' my head in Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 16:56:49 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:56:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <436FEE5E.5090309@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <20051108005649.83492.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

If (one of you) cares for Gordon Lightfoot, try to
find Tony Rice's cover of Lightfoot's composition
"Shadows". Is it in any way, shape, or form accurate
to assume that the "members" enjoy folk/acoustic
music?  If so, please advise.  I have some direction
that might be enjoyable to you and, of course, I would
like very much to exchange "music info".  Just a
thought.
JM

--- Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:

> Actually it is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. 
> It is just above 
> Paridise, MI.  There is also a lighthouse museum
> there as well.  I find 
> the area to be a very quiet and restful place.  It
> is a quietness that 
> you don't expect.
> 
> As an aside, Paridise is in the UP and Hell is down
> closer to Detroit.
> 
> Gary
> 
> William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
> > Peter:
> > 
> > Next time you are in "the colonies" you should
> plan a visit to 
> > Minnesota, there is a museum on the shore of lake
> Superior that is 
> > devoted to ship wrecks, which houses the bell from
> the Edmond 
> > Fitzgerald, very interesting place.
> > 
> > Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty
> storm.
> > 
> > Since my close encounter with a tornado as a
> child, I really have a 
> > healthy respect for what damage they can do very,
> quickly.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Peg Pfeiffer
> > 
> > 
> >> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
> >>
> >> On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> > TT, et. al.-
> >> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits
> the fan
> >> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> >> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> >> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November
> come
> >> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the
> shores of
> >> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity
> of
> >> > that point.
> >> > JM
> >> >
> >>
> >> One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory
> serves me correctly?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> -- 
> >> Peter A Forbes
> >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where
> both life and I move 
> at a leisurely pace.
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov  7 17:23:58 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:23:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras (Now OT)
References: <22e.a0250f.30a13659@aol.com> <000a01c5e3fa$eba90920$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <00e001c5e403$197aa4f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I never got the first mail on this thread Dave.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras (Now OT)


> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
>
>
>> In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
>> << I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket &
>> tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom. >>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>> Can you believe those steeple jack ladders??  Wonder how they got them up
>> there?
>> They must be crazy to say the least!
>> Tom Schmutz
>
> Hi Tom, I was showing the picture in the Pub last night & a friend of mine 
> said his young
> son had spotted the ladders & was fascinated. I gave him the picture.
> This evening I rang the steeplejack & told him of the lads interest & 
> asked when they would
> be up the ladders again.
> He said they were waiting for a government grant & it would be about 
> Easter before they finished the job.
> He said the ladders were held in place by pins they drove into the bricks 
> & they would remove them when
> the job was finished.
> I asked him was he brave or stupid to do that job  & he said "Probably 
> Both" & started laughing.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 13:20:16 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511071320t3637d8f1h96bec75ced23f36e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to Minnesota,
> there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to ship
> wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very interesting
> place.
>
> Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.
>
> Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a healthy
> respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Peg Pfeiffer

Hi Peg:

It's an interesting if sad bit of music, but very poignant as it was
apparently a true story.

Anniversary of the sinking on the 10th November, website: http://www.ssefo.com/

Loads of places around the lakes we would both like to see, but
probably never get the time....

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From junque at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  7 17:54:15 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:54:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>

Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked 
to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members 
who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives 
me ulcers :-).

Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful, 
wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the 
population at any given time in history. :-)
Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the 
nearest substantial archives.




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Nov  7 18:00:13 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:00:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
References: <20051108005649.83492.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c5e408$2850c360$64bed2cc@pengy>

THis member enjoys folk music, especially the wreck of the Eddie Fitz.   

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald


> If (one of you) cares for Gordon Lightfoot, try to
> find Tony Rice's cover of Lightfoot's composition
> "Shadows". Is it in any way, shape, or form accurate
> to assume that the "members" enjoy folk/acoustic
> music?  If so, please advise.  I have some direction
> that might be enjoyable to you and, of course, I would
> like very much to exchange "music info".  Just a
> thought.
> JM
> 
> --- Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Actually it is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. 
>> It is just above 
>> Paridise, MI.  There is also a lighthouse museum
>> there as well.  I find 
>> the area to be a very quiet and restful place.  It
>> is a quietness that 
>> you don't expect.
>> 
>> As an aside, Paridise is in the UP and Hell is down
>> closer to Detroit.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>> > Peter:
>> > 
>> > Next time you are in "the colonies" you should
>> plan a visit to 
>> > Minnesota, there is a museum on the shore of lake
>> Superior that is 
>> > devoted to ship wrecks, which houses the bell from
>> the Edmond 
>> > Fitzgerald, very interesting place.
>> > 
>> > Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty
>> storm.
>> > 
>> > Since my close encounter with a tornado as a
>> child, I really have a 
>> > healthy respect for what damage they can do very,
>> quickly.
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > Peg Pfeiffer
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>> >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>> >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>> >>
>> >> On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > TT, et. al.-
>> >> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits
>> the fan
>> >> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
>> >> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
>> >> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November
>> come
>> >> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the
>> shores of
>> >> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity
>> of
>> >> > that point.
>> >> > JM
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory
>> serves me correctly?
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >> -- 
>> >> Peter A Forbes
>> >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >>
>>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >
>>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> -- 
>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where
>> both life and I move 
>> at a leisurely pace.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Mon Nov  7 18:47:13 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:47:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c5e40e$b95bbf80$cfc87040@user>

Believe today is the anniversary of the sinking of the Edmond Fitzgerald...

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald


Peter:

Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to Minnesota,
there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to ship
wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very interesting
place.

Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.

Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a healthy
respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.

Regards,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>
>On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > TT, et. al.-
> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> > that point.
> > JM
> >
>
>One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Nov  7 18:49:32 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:49:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
Message-ID: <00db01c5e40f$0c6f99d0$dd416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I must have missed something here, the following does not make a bit of 
sense to me.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robt" <junque at shaw.ca>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7


Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked
to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members
who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives
me ulcers :-).

Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful,
wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the
population at any given time in history. :-)
Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the
nearest substantial archives.


_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov  7 20:07:14 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:07:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051107230452.045c8008@mail.alltel.net>

What the good hell is this rant all about? I thought we didn't allow 
LIBERALS or MAYTAG owners on the List!
         Dave

At 08:54 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote:
>Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked to 
>iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members who 
>possess no conscience.  Other than
>that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives me 
>ulcers :-).
>
>Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful, 
>wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the population 
>at any given time in history. :-)
>Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the nearest 
>substantial archives.



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Nov  7 21:35:27 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:35:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
	<002f01c5e40e$b95bbf80$cfc87040@user>
Message-ID: <00b501c5e426$3a6f73c0$651117d1@net.telenet.net>

Thursday Nov. 10 is the 30th anniversary of the sinking.

http://www.ssefo.com/  For a nice site about the Fitz.
http://www.boatnerd.com/fitz/ For more info and pictures and the song.

http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/ama.htm
This is the ship that was with the Fitz when she went down.


Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Russell" <hit_n_miss at tc3net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald


> Believe today is the anniversary of the sinking of the Edmond
Fitzgerald...
>
> Paul Russell
> Riga, Michigan
> hit_n_miss at tc3net.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
>
>
> Peter:
>
> Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to
Minnesota,
> there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to
ship
> wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very
interesting
> place.
>
> Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.
>
> Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a
healthy
> respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
> >From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> >Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
> >
> >On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > TT, et. al.-
> > > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> > > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> > > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> > > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> > > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> > > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> > > that point.
> > > JM
> > >
> >
> >One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me
correctly?
> >
> >Peter
> >--
> >Peter A Forbes
> >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Nov  7 20:04:46 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:04:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <00d901c5e408$2850c360$64bed2cc@pengy>
References: <20051108005649.83492.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00d901c5e408$2850c360$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <86c75efcc52b7af288cd62ccfc5cce15@chartertn.net>

Yeah, it's a great song.

John

On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> THis member enjoys folk music, especially the wreck of the Eddie Fitz.
> Rick


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov  7 22:16:24 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:16:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
	<00db01c5e40f$0c6f99d0$dd416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <001101c5e42b$f34a8100$7085dccb@oemcomputer>

Me either,must be a of topic private conversation.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:49
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7


> I must have missed something here, the following does not make a bit of 
> sense to me.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robt" <junque at shaw.ca>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:54 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
> 
> 
> Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked
> to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members
> who possess no conscience.  Other than
> that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives
> me ulcers :-).
> 
> Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful,
> wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the
> population at any given time in history. :-)
> Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the
> nearest substantial archives.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Tue Nov  8 02:45:44 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:45:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies: Public Event Calendar now available on
 Steam & Engine
Message-ID: <437081D8.5000408@steamengine.com.au>

Hi guys,
I've added a new public event calendar feature to Steam & Engine of Australia for people to add their club events, 
rallies, etc.

Please, only Australian entries!! (Yes, for our purposes, New Zealand is Australian :) .

http://www.steamengine.com.au/cgi-bin/yacal.cgi

Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Nov  8 04:13:27 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:13:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
Message-ID: <110820051213.11755.43709666000DD23200002DEB21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yeh Dave....show em the pics of what can hapen to them liberal maytag owners!
Curt


> What the good hell is this rant all about? I thought we didn't allow 
> LIBERALS or MAYTAG owners on the List!
>          Dave
> 
> At 08:54 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote:
> >Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked to 
> >iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members who 
> >possess no conscience.  Other than
> >that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives me 
> >ulcers :-).
> >
> >Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful, 
> >wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the population 
> >at any given time in history. :-)
> >Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the nearest 
> >substantial archives.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 04:19:49 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:19:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051107192902.97551.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7EA3C61F2440E28CE4423C8640@phx.gbl>

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it under cover now, the 
weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious what the engine is that 
you saved. Does it look anything like this one?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

============================

>From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>
>While that ain't ALL it, it is representative.  Thanks
>for your response.
>My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
>machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
>skill/knowledge set to remediate those old articles.
>Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
>that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at least,
>interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
>things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy for
>its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
>knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
>"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00 off
>of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
>away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
>JM




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 04:36:25 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:36:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e42b$f34a8100$7085dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F311254B3A9D0E94D2A6667C8640@phx.gbl>

The little bit about greedy wretched ulcers was taken from the post that 
James Moran made about his wifes farm in New York. I'll attach it at the end 
of this post so it can be read by anyone that missed it.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================================

>From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>
>Me either,must be a of topic private conversation.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>
>
> > I must have missed something here, the following does not make a bit of
> > sense to me.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim and Diane Kirkes
> > Hemet, CA
> > jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robt" <junque at shaw.ca>
> >
> >
> > Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked
> > to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members
> > who possess no conscience.  Other than
> > that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives
> > me ulcers :-).
> >
> > Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful,
> > wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the
> > population at any given time in history. :-)
> > Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the
> > nearest substantial archives.

================================================

>From :  James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
Reply-To :  The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent :  Sunday, November 6, 2005 6:09 PM
To :  The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject :  RE: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


OK....I'll relate this tale in stages, as it embraces
over 100 years :-)
You might want to start by going to Google Earth and
searching 60 Golden Road, Rochester, New York 14624.
You will see my wife's family's farm/business site.
As an indicator, the barn behind the house bears a
"1902" plaque.
The Graham family began with a basic, upstate New York
farm (cows, chickens, struggle, etc.).  I have
unearthed a preponderance of records (as with most
folks who survived the depression and other travails)
NOTHIN' was ever too broke or old to discard.  The
earliest diary that I was able to find was dated 1902
with pencil scrawls such as "bot haf booshel #2 corn
seed OR solid my beens (you get the picture, I am
sure).
In 1913 (as far as I can determine) my wife's great
grandfather started up a fuel business, dealing in
oil, gasoline, and kerosene.  These materials were
delivered via horse drawn wagon and, in the winter, on
a sleigh affair.  I know this for certain because we
have a bevy of photos from that vintage AND the wagon
with its steel wheels is still there...buried in the
weeds along with all sorts of other relics, including
the hit -n- miss in which many of you seem to have an
avid interest.  It is a humorous note that the farm
house never "went oil" until my wife's (Cynthia in
name, by the way) grandfather went over the great
divide.  Reason?  Because, even though he sold fuel
oil, he did not trust it.  The home was heated with
wood or coal and they never installed "city water",
even though is it available right at the street.  The
old pump is still in the rear of the woodshed (off of
the kitchen) and still works to this day.
Interestingly, the DID take advantage of city sewars.
Don't ask me the rationale.
Anyway, the oil business did not end the farming
effort.  This is why I was able to find h-n-m stuff,
buzz saws, portable pumps, corn shredders and a raft
of other devices.  The farm tractors were (I'll put
this as gently as I can) "taken" by my wife's cousin.
I know factually that there was an M and a robust
Oliver (which I loved).  I can't do anything about
that and will not try.  However....DAMMIT!
Again, as you scan north on your Google Earth image,
you will see three above ground storage tank, each
able to contain 20k gallons.  One was for oil, one for
gasoline, one for kero.  The shed that you'll see to
the west of the tank house the pumping unit which
moved the above-mentioned products to the correct
tank.  There is not and never was electricity run to
that shed.  How was the pumping accomplished?  By
utilizing the McCormick-Deering 10-20.  I am of the
belief that the M/D never saw too much action in the
fields.  Rather, it appears that it was bought as a
dedicated pump-driving machine.  I have searched for
the original bill of sale and the manuals, but, so
far, have come up empty.  In that the shed always
housed the pump and all, the elements did not wreak
havoc.  Funny, there was even a sort of old quilt
thrown over the hood of the tractor.  The floor of the
shed was of a very fine silt-like dirt (no concrete,
that is to say).  It was completely dry and, in fact,
there were fox holes inside of the building.  In
passing, let me note that I found (in the M/D's "tool
box")a record book for fuel transfers (deliveries) and
the date of that volume is 1957.  This would lead one
to the conclusion that that was the last year of
active service, but I know that this is not
accurate...the business went on until quite recently
and I know for a fact that the three tanks were closed
(in accordance to DEC, etc.) in 1993.  Hmmmm.....
As I have previously posted, the M/D is complete in
every way.  The sheet metal is intact (even the
ventilated/piano hinged engine shrouds).  Everything
is legible.  Both the left and right rear fenders call
out "McCormick Deering 10-20".  The serial plate is
perfect, reading the 10 and 20 horsepower statements
of which I am sure you all know so well.  Even the
"starting instructions" on the left housing is clear
as a bell. The front and rear steel wheels show
virtually no "wear"...the cleats are solid and fully
present.  While the body paint has oxidized, one can
see "tell tale" red pain on the rear steel wheels.
The breather and the exhaust are undamaged, despite
that fact the the guys who dismantled the shed managed
to collapse the building down on top of the tractor!
After we carefully removed the debris of the destoyed
shed, I was able to get a strong look at the tractor
and, of course, make provisions to move it out of the
open air.  I was concerned that the wheels would be
frozen but, when I hooked onto the front with a slip
chain and began the tentative pull, all four went
around without even a creak!
The tractor has been moved to the concrete block
garage across from the farm house (again...look at the
Google thing and remember, that service is not real
time.  The images are about two years old, as I
understand it). This is a solid building...good roof,
really dry, and with a concrete floor.  Both the M/D
and the h-n-m are now safely inside and both claim to
be happy in their new digs :-).
Back to the "never throw anything away" lifestyle.  If
you look around your Google image, you will be able to
discern old oil delivery trucks and, even, an old
Caddy.  Between the "outside" ones and the ones that
were dumped "inside", I have to deal with a total of
nine such vehicles.  The fuel trucks (all outfitted
with multi-compartment tanks) are of the
fifties/sixties vintage.  This little gift was from
Cynthia's now dead uncle, a nice enough guy I guess,
but a slob of the first order.  He abandoned oil drums
and jugs filled with God-knows-what.  Naturally, these
must be disposed in a manner consistent with common
sense and in accordance to the DEC's firm opinions of
such things.  For any of you who have had experiences
with such situations, you will be familiar with Phase
I and Phase II analysis work.  We are now at the
conclusion of PII.  I know that there are three buried
tanks which will require excavation and the earth
surrounding them will also have to be removed and (as
I understand it) incinerated.
All of this misery is a result of the uncle kicking
off and Cynthia's old mother coming down with a really
bad case of the Altzheimer's.  It has fallen to us to
remediate the 77 acres of property and, then, find a
suitable buyer.  Again, scan east and west and you'll
see housing developments at each border ($250k+
private residence deals).  Once we have a clean bill
of health, some developer will buy the land, raze the
buildings, and do a build-out.  That will bring to an
end this whole unsavory affain.  Those of you savvy
enough to read between my lines will not be shocked to
discover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy
family members who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any
further, as it gives me ulcers :-).
Well, there are the broad strokes of it.  I don't have
the time to run spell check so forgive such mistakes,
please.  If any of you out there are close to
Rochester, please let me know.  I would be glad to
show you the tractor, etc.  As stated, I'll try to
post some photos.  BTW, the only "marking" on the
h-'n-m is on the mag...it reads "WICO".  Does that
mean anything to anyone.
If you have questions or comments, let me know.
Thanks.
JM




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 05:20:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 05:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7EA3C61F2440E28CE4423C8640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051108132054.14583.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

LT-
Yes, it looks very much like the one you posted.  That
said, what "brand" is it, etc.?
Some confusion regarding the "farm story" email, it
seems.  Hoping that this caused no problems for
anyone.
JM

--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I
> sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
> like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it
> under cover now, the 
> weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious
> what the engine is that 
> you saved. Does it look anything like this one?
> 
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
> ============================
> 
> >From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> >
> >While that ain't ALL it, it is representative. 
> Thanks
> >for your response.
> >My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
> >machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
> >skill/knowledge set to remediate those old
> articles.
> >Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
> >that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at
> least,
> >interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
> >things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy
> for
> >its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
> >knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
> >"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00
> off
> >of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
> >away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
> >JM
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 05:36:57 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:36:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras (Now OT)
Message-ID: <256.8148ca.30a203f9@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/2005 7:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< He said the ladders were held in place by pins they drove into the bricks 
& they would remove them when the job was finished.  >>

Dave,

I would not want to be the one to remove the pins!  Of course I would not 
have been the one to climb the ladders or put the pins in the first place either!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 06:04:28 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:04:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7EA3C61F2440E28CE4423C8640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051108140428.98044.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

LK, et. al.-
Another thing that I neglected to mention in the
history write-up thing.  This may be of interest to
some of you or none of you but, anyway...
As I mentioned, the farm site was also used as the
operational base for the fuel oil business.  In
addition to the tractor, etc. I found many "vintage"
gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
styles from the sixties or so.  My understanding is
that some of these at least DO have value.  For
example, the early ones are crafted from heavy iron
and stand in the seven foot tall range.  Along with
the pumps I found a substantial number of brand-new
(that is to say never used) hemispherical glass lenses
that were used to call out the brand name of the fuel
when mounted to the pumps.  There is more related
stuff such as old fashioned oil dispensers and the
containers into which oil was poured.  Also really old
greasers,etc.
Again, most of you probably don't care about these
kinds of things but I thought that I would pass it on
anyway. :-)
JM

--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I
> sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
> like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it
> under cover now, the 
> weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious
> what the engine is that 
> you saved. Does it look anything like this one?
> 
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
> ============================
> 
> >From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> >
> >While that ain't ALL it, it is representative. 
> Thanks
> >for your response.
> >My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
> >machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
> >skill/knowledge set to remediate those old
> articles.
> >Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
> >that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at
> least,
> >interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
> >things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy
> for
> >its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
> >knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
> >"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00
> off
> >of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
> >away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
> >JM
> 
> 
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 06:50:03 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:50:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051108140428.98044.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F10FC02C98147D666FA7441C8640@phx.gbl>

Jim,

Sounds like what you have is a gold mine! Those old gas pumps and the globes 
can be worth ALOT!

The engine that I posted is a Hercules.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=========================

>From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>
>LK, et. al.-
>Another thing that I neglected to mention in the
>history write-up thing.  This may be of interest to
>some of you or none of you but, anyway...
>As I mentioned, the farm site was also used as the
>operational base for the fuel oil business.  In
>addition to the tractor, etc. I found many "vintage"
>gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
>20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
>styles from the sixties or so.  My understanding is
>that some of these at least DO have value.  For
>example, the early ones are crafted from heavy iron
>and stand in the seven foot tall range.  Along with
>the pumps I found a substantial number of brand-new
>(that is to say never used) hemispherical glass lenses
>that were used to call out the brand name of the fuel
>when mounted to the pumps.  There is more related
>stuff such as old fashioned oil dispensers and the
>containers into which oil was poured.  Also really old
>greasers,etc.
>Again, most of you probably don't care about these
>kinds of things but I thought that I would pass it on
>anyway. :-)
>JM
>




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Nov  8 07:03:38 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:03:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <50ebe150f3e4.50f3e450ebe1@southeast.rr.com>

James:
  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those petroleum items as a 
hobby.  Contact me off list at   mr at carolina.rr.com

Thanks,
Mike Royster

----- Original Message -----
From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2005 9:04 am
Subject: RE: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!

> LK, et. al.-
> Another thing that I neglected to mention in the
> history write-up thing.  This may be of interest to
> some of you or none of you but, anyway...
> As I mentioned, the farm site was also used as the
> operational base for the fuel oil business.  In
> addition to the tractor, etc. I found many "vintage"
> gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
> 20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
> styles from the sixties or so.  My understanding is
> that some of these at least DO have value.  For
> example, the early ones are crafted from heavy iron
> and stand in the seven foot tall range.  Along with
> the pumps I found a substantial number of brand-new
> (that is to say never used) hemispherical glass lenses
> that were used to call out the brand name of the fuel
> when mounted to the pumps.  There is more related
> stuff such as old fashioned oil dispensers and the
> containers into which oil was poured.  Also really old
> greasers,etc.
> Again, most of you probably don't care about these
> kinds of things but I thought that I would pass it on
> anyway. :-)
> JM
> 
> --- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I
> > sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
> > like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it
> > under cover now, the 
> > weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious
> > what the engine is that 
> > you saved. Does it look anything like this one?
> > 
> >
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg
> > 
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> > 
> > ============================
> > 
> > >From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >While that ain't ALL it, it is representative. 
> > Thanks
> > >for your response.
> > >My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
> > >machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
> > >skill/knowledge set to remediate those old
> > articles.
> > >Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
> > >that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at
> > least,
> > >interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
> > >things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy
> > for
> > >its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
> > >knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
> > >"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00
> > off
> > >of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
> > >away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
> > >JM
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 13:00:19 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:00:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <247.984cb7.30a26be3@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 9:19:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:

<< I found many "vintage"
 gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
 20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
 styles from the sixties or so. >>

Jim,

Sounds like you have a lot of treasures and need to find yourself a good 
auctioneer who will advertise and get the word around for the sale!




Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 13:38:13 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:38:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <144.51a06675.30a274c5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

<<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those petroleum items as a 
 hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>


James,

Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am in the engine business so 
you may as well contact me off list about the engine too!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 14:06:42 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <144.51a06675.30a274c5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

Gentlemen...
I am curious as to why "off list" would be a necessity
other than to not "bog down" the communications for
the balance.
Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
Jim Moran

--- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> 
> <<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those
> petroleum items as a 
>  hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>
> 
> 
> James,
> 
> Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am
> in the engine business so 
> you may as well contact me off list about the engine
> too!
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov  8 14:45:46 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:45:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511081737100.25794@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

Gee that's an easy question.  Mike (aka one of the Cloistered Oyster
Brothers) is a well known scalliwag.  He senses that you have located a
treasure trove and are clueless as to the real value of these items.

He wishes to have the "negotiation" take place off list so that no one can
see how badly he fleeces you and so that other potential competition
doesn't come sniffing around the "easy meat".

When Mike sez he "buys and sells as a hobby" he fails to mention that his
OTHER hobby is counting the piles of gold coins that have come from his
"hobby" profits.

In time you'll come to learn who is trustworthy among us.
I, for example, am to be trusted totally.

Hope that helps.

See ya,  Arnie (The Trusted One)

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> Gentlemen...
> I am curious as to why "off list" would be a necessity
> other than to not "bog down" the communications for
> the balance.
> Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> Jim Moran
>
> --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > >
> > > I am in the oil business and buy and sell those
> > > petroleum items as a hobby.  Contact me off list at
> >
> > James,
> > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am
> > in the engine business so you may as well contact me off list about
> > the engine too!
> > Tom Schmutz



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Nov  8 14:59:16 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:59:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
References: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5e4b8$0b6aef40$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

Because we will be scolded for "off topic" conversation.

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


> Gentlemen...
> I am curious as to why "off list" would be a necessity
> other than to not "bog down" the communications for
> the balance.
> Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> Jim Moran
> 
> --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> > Standard Time, 
> > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > 
> > <<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those
> > petroleum items as a 
> >  hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>
> > 
> > 
> > James,
> > 
> > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am
> > in the engine business so 
> > you may as well contact me off list about the engine
> > too!
> > 
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va. USA
> > Germoamer at aol.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 15:31:03 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <003001c5e4b8$0b6aef40$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051108233104.71567.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

MR-
OK, if you say so.  I don't see, however, how these
topics are in any way, shape, or form "off topic".
JM

--- Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Because we will be scolded for "off topic"
> conversation.
> 
> Mike Royster
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] I found something about which I
> know nothing!!!
> 
> 
> > Gentlemen...
> > I am curious as to why "off list" would be a
> necessity
> > other than to not "bog down" the communications
> for
> > the balance.
> > Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> > certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> > Jim Moran
> > 
> > --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time, 
> > > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > > 
> > > <<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell
> those
> > > petroleum items as a 
> > >  hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > James,
> > > 
> > > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I
> am
> > > in the engine business so 
> > > you may as well contact me off list about the
> engine
> > > too!
> > > 
> > > Tom Schmutz
> > > Concord, Va. USA
> > > Germoamer at aol.com
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 15:38:26 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:38:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511081737100.25794@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051108233827.96899.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

AF-
Thanks for (what I guess is) a heads up.  Ouch!  As I
wrote to my (trusted) friend Mike Sloane a bit ago, I
think that taking the "unsubscribing" route will be a
good idea for me.  Sad, though.  I truly need the
advice and suggestions of a knowledgeable contingent.
So long and, again, thanks for the warnings!
JM

--- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> Gee that's an easy question.  Mike (aka one of the
> Cloistered Oyster
> Brothers) is a well known scalliwag.  He senses that
> you have located a
> treasure trove and are clueless as to the real value
> of these items.
> 
> He wishes to have the "negotiation" take place off
> list so that no one can
> see how badly he fleeces you and so that other
> potential competition
> doesn't come sniffing around the "easy meat".
> 
> When Mike sez he "buys and sells as a hobby" he
> fails to mention that his
> OTHER hobby is counting the piles of gold coins that
> have come from his
> "hobby" profits.
> 
> In time you'll come to learn who is trustworthy
> among us.
> I, for example, am to be trusted totally.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie (The Trusted One)
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:
> 
> > Gentlemen...
> > I am curious as to why "off list" would be a
> necessity
> > other than to not "bog down" the communications
> for
> > the balance.
> > Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> > certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> > Jim Moran
> >
> > --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM
> Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > I am in the oil business and buy and sell
> those
> > > > petroleum items as a hobby.  Contact me off
> list at
> > >
> > > James,
> > > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I
> am
> > > in the engine business so you may as well
> contact me off list about
> > > the engine too!
> > > Tom Schmutz
> 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov  8 21:37:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:37:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051108233104.71567.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c5e4ef$9ef91d90$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> MR-
> OK, if you say so.  I don't see, however, how these
> topics are in any way, shape, or form "off topic".
> JM

In the before times, in the long long ago, the Stationary Engine List was run by
a crazed rusthead by the name of Brice, who, through some sort of agreement, was
able to extort server time from Indiana University.  The University, being a
governmentally funded establishment of much learnedness and wisdom, would not
allow the virtue of their servers to be sullied by the capitalistic exchange of
goods, namely engines.  Thus spaketh the dean:  "Thou shalt not sell stuff on
The List!"  All the rustheads were grateful for the opportunity to exchange
ideas with others through the use of the university's server, so we humbly
obliged.  It was then that the precedent was set.  To this day we honor the
customs of the elders and refrain from blatant selling on The List.  

Rob

P.S.
Still looking for anything about which I know something!
















From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov  8 22:00:47 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:00:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Manual for Phillips Stirling generator
Message-ID: <007c01c5e4f2$ef43be60$fa4c1152@no1>

Many years ago I owned one of these until I finally sold it to a Swedish collector.
I retained a copy of the manual & I have posted it to my website in case anyone needs it. 
See
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/images/MP%201002%20CA.pdf
(It might take a bit of time to download)
I will put a link in to the site from my publications page when I re-learn how to use Frontpage. 
Regards,

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 08:10:35 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:10:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <1e1.48e288e3.30a3797b@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:53:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:

<< Thanks for (what I guess is) a heads up.  Ouch!  As I
 wrote to my (trusted) friend Mike Sloane a bit ago, I
 think that taking the "unsubscribing" route will be a
 good idea for me.   >>

Jim,

Do not leave the list as folks have enjoyed your write ups about the 
treasures on your place and folks are willing to give you help and advice in any way.  
Going "off list" is a way for folks on the list to contact each other 
directly about business transactions, personal stuff, etc., that only you and the 
other party are interested in.    

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov  9 09:47:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:47:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pinstriping with 'One-Shot'
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1170284EBFBF1C7ABECFABB670@phx.gbl>

  Interesting thread here on clear coating over One-Shot in regards to 
pinstriping;

http://forum.eastwood.com/showthread.php?t=1379

Live is a little snowy :-) 23 above this a.m.

RickinMt. 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Nov  9 14:58:35 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:58:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <1e1.48e288e3.30a3797b@aol.com>
References: <1e1.48e288e3.30a3797b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3bff35314ea2a884658fa60707804f74@chartertn.net>

Guys, he's already gone. I've talked to him off-List and explained the 
joking, but he unsubscribed last night.

John

On Nov 9, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:53:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:
>
> << Thanks for (what I guess is) a heads up.  Ouch!  As I
>  wrote to my (trusted) friend Mike Sloane a bit ago, I
>  think that taking the "unsubscribing" route will be a
>  good idea for me.   >>
>
> Jim,
>
> Do not leave the list as folks have enjoyed your write ups about the
> treasures on your place and folks are willing to give you help and 
> advice in any way.
> Going "off list" is a way for folks on the list to contact each other
> directly about business transactions, personal stuff, etc., that only 
> you and the
> other party are interested in.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  9 17:00:08 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:00:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
Message-ID: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based server. I keep getting this message:
 
An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server: 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x80004005
 
Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
 
Thanks,
 
Paul
 


From oldiron at charter.net  Wed Nov  9 17:39:28 2005
From: oldiron at charter.net (OldIron)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:39:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5e597$a05dee60$6401a8c0@myron>

Try going to tools, accounts, mail tab, highlight the account and then properties, click
the advanced tab. Is the (SSL) check box checked if so uncheck it. Then try and see if
it works. 

Myron in Minnesota

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-
> engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
> 
> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook Express 6.0 e-mail
> and right now I am having to use this web based server. I keep getting this message:
> 
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
> 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number:
> 0x80004005
> 
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do about it. I
> need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  9 17:56:11 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:56:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <000001c5e597$a05dee60$6401a8c0@myron>
Message-ID: <20051110015611.84645.qmail@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Myron for the comeback. I checked this out and the SSL box WAS NOT CHECKED.

 

Paul

 


OldIron <oldiron at charter.net> wrote:
Try going to tools, accounts, mail tab, highlight the account and then properties, click
the advanced tab. Is the (SSL) check box checked if so uncheck it. Then try and see if
it works. 

Myron in Minnesota

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-
> engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
> 
> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook Express 6.0 e-mail
> and right now I am having to use this web based server. I keep getting this message:
> 
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
> 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number:
> 0x80004005
> 
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do about it. I
> need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net  Wed Nov  9 18:47:42 2005
From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:47:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4372B4CE.1010500@Ntelos.Net>

Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments  . Zone Labs 
updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same  error mesg . 

                                                                   Mark 
L Shattuck
                                                                  
Waynesboro Va


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  9 19:47:53 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:47:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <4372B4CE.1010500@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <20051110034753.84443.qmail@web81612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark I completely un installed Norton from the computer, went to control panel, windows firewall and turned off the firewall so that I had no firewall protection whatsoever and then tried to download my e-mail messages and got the same error message. I am about to go off the deep end trying to figure this one out. Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
 
Paul


Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net> wrote:
Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments . Zone Labs 
updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same error mesg . 

Mark 
L Shattuck

Waynesboro Va
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  9 20:28:46 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:28:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
References: <20051110034753.84443.qmail@web81612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <048501c5e5af$3e657080$11478304@net>

Paul

Try this, if you have any emails you want to keep, save as to a new created folder
on your desktop

then empty the inbox, deleted items, and outbox folders

go to start, click find files and folders,  in the command line in the search box,
type   dbx

then click find

when it is done, find the inbox, deleted items and outbox folders, make sure they
have a recent date, like today or when they were last used, highlight them and
delete them

then delete them from th erecycle bin

do a reboot, OE will create new folders of the ones you deleted, then give it a
try

lets at least make sure that the inbox folder is not corrupted, OE starts with a
new fresh folder

Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Mark I completely un installed Norton from the computer, went to control panel,
windows firewall and turned off the firewall so that I had no firewall protection
whatsoever and then tried to download my e-mail messages and got the same error
message. I am about to go off the deep end trying to figure this one out. Thanks
for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net> wrote:
> Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments . Zone Labs
> updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same error mesg .
>
> Mark
> L Shattuck
>
> Waynesboro Va
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Nov  9 20:32:57 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:32:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013401c5e5af$d3ab8d00$6a1117d1@net.telenet.net>

Paul,
 That server address doesn't look correct.
try changing it to


Incoming server -  pop.sbcglobal.net

OR pop. whatever the outgoing server has so IF the outgoing server says
mail.sbcglobal.net    the one I listed should work.

That is found under Tools / Accounts /  Mail Tab   Properties / Servers
Tab


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
server. I keep getting this message:
>
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
Error Number: 0x80004005
>
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to
do about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail
client.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Nov  9 23:08:29 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:08:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Non list item
Message-ID: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

To those members in the US.

This is not a list item.  But I would like to bid on an item on Ebay but the seller only posts to the USA.  I require someone to bid on my behalf, up to a limit, and who has a Paypal account with which to bill me the cost of the item including postage and also the postage to Oz.  

Anyone willing can contact me off list.  Thanks

Ron

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 23:37:52 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Non list item
In-Reply-To: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511092337w48d3d249x750c5faee4e85cc7@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/10/05, Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:
> To those members in the US.
>
> This is not a list item.  But I would like to bid on an item on Ebay but the seller only posts to the USA.  I require someone to bid on my behalf, up to a limit, and who has a Paypal account with which to bill me the cost of the item including postage and also the postage to Oz.
>
> Anyone willing can contact me off list.  Thanks
>
> Ron
>

Ron:

Have you contacted the seller to ask if he would ship to you?

Most people we have contacted directly have been willing to waive the
"US Only" ruling on their auctions for us, we just bought a load of
magneto information that way and it came direct in the end.

It's always worth asking the question, they can only say no...

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Nov 10 00:06:45 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:06:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Non list item
References: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<6f6025160511092337w48d3d249x750c5faee4e85cc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c5e5cd$b20e86c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks for that but I think it is the same people I approached last time and
they would not be in it.  But I will give it another go.

Ron


----- Original Message -----
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Non list item


> On 11/10/05, Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:
> > To those members in the US.
> >
> > This is not a list item.  But I would like to bid on an item on Ebay but
the seller only posts to the USA.  I require someone to bid on my behalf, up
to a limit, and who has a Paypal account with which to bill me the cost of
the item including postage and also the postage to Oz.
> >
> > Anyone willing can contact me off list.  Thanks
> >
> > Ron
> >
>
> Ron:
>
> Have you contacted the seller to ask if he would ship to you?
>
> Most people we have contacted directly have been willing to waive the
> "US Only" ruling on their auctions for us, we just bought a load of
> magneto information that way and it came direct in the end.
>
> It's always worth asking the question, they can only say no...
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Nov 10 00:25:08 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:25:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Alan? Question about sydney/oz company James
 Munday & man named Archibald Gunter
Message-ID: <437303E4.3050301@steamengine.com.au>

Thank you Paul for your quick reply. I would appreciate if you could pass my my request on to other mailing lists.

Thanking you    Alan  Kitchen


----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <paulp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "Alan Kitchen" <alankitchen at optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Drive Belts


Hi Alan, sounds like an interesting project, but I'm sorry to say I don't have anything for you.

I can forward your message to a couple of mailing lists where the members may be able to help if you'd like me to.

Paul

Alan Kitchen wrote:
I am doing research on a WW1 AIF Captain Archibald Gunter, Military
Cross (Bank Clerk before enlistment) who upon returning to Australia
worked for a company called James Munday.
I believe they were in Clarence Street Sydney and supplied the large
drive belts for steam engines to run farm machinery etc.
Do you have any History of this company and a long shot on Archibald
Gunter. A.C. Gunter worked for James Munday for the rest of his working
life, apart for several years in uniform WW11.

Thanking yoy for any help.

Alan  Kitchen   02 9594 0254



-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 10 05:13:12 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:13:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <048501c5e5af$3e657080$11478304@net>
Message-ID: <20051110131312.68205.qmail@web81611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Clint I appreciate your help. I am beginning to think myself that one of the files is corrupted. I had to give it up last night and go to bed and got your message this morning. It will be this afternoon before I can get back on the pc and try this but I am going to try it and let you know how it works. Thanks for helping me.
 
Paul


Clint D <driggars at earthlink.net> wrote:
Paul

Try this, if you have any emails you want to keep, save as to a new created folder
on your desktop

then empty the inbox, deleted items, and outbox folders

go to start, click find files and folders, in the command line in the search box,
type dbx

then click find

when it is done, find the inbox, deleted items and outbox folders, make sure they
have a recent date, like today or when they were last used, highlight them and
delete them

then delete them from th erecycle bin

do a reboot, OE will create new folders of the ones you deleted, then give it a
try

lets at least make sure that the inbox folder is not corrupted, OE starts with a
new fresh folder

Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" 

To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Mark I completely un installed Norton from the computer, went to control panel,
windows firewall and turned off the firewall so that I had no firewall protection
whatsoever and then tried to download my e-mail messages and got the same error
message. I am about to go off the deep end trying to figure this one out. Thanks
for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Mark Shattuck wrote:
> Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments . Zone Labs
> updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same error mesg .
>
> Mark
> L Shattuck
>
> Waynesboro Va
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 10 05:14:47 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <013401c5e5af$d3ab8d00$6a1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <20051110131447.19446.qmail@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve did not get this message last night before I went to bed but got it this morning. It will be later this evening before I can get back on the pc and check this out but I will do it and let you know what I find. Thanks for hanging with me in trying to resolve this.
 
Paul


"Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
Paul,
That server address doesn't look correct.
try changing it to


Incoming server - pop.sbcglobal.net

OR pop. whatever the outgoing server has so IF the outgoing server says
mail.sbcglobal.net the one I listed should work.

That is found under Tools / Accounts / Mail Tab Properties / Servers
Tab


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
server. I keep getting this message:
>
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
Error Number: 0x80004005
>
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to
do about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail
client.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 10 06:12:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:12:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>

Howdy gang;
  The price looks good to me, but too far;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

RickinMt. 


From gwaugh at wowway.com  Thu Nov 10 06:30:37 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:30:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4373598D.6080602@wowway.com>

Well, it's only about 20 miles from me...I have waaaay too many projects 
going to undertake a new endeavor, but ifn you want me to store it for 
you...

Gene
Elgin, Illinois USA

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Howdy gang;
>  The price looks good to me, but too far;
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
>RickinMt. 
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 10 08:07:36 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:07:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511101046200.37181@vegeta.city-net.com>

Paul (and all who would like to help him),

As serious as this problem is for Paul, this dialog is of no use
whatsoever to the other 400 or so who read this list or the digest
version.

Would everyone who can offer help to Paul, please do it off-list DIRECTLY
TO PAUL?

And Paul, would it be too much trouble for you to also reply
off-list directly to those who provide help?

If you feel that everyone would benefit in some way, why not just post the
"final solution" when you get sorted?  Although I doubt that the details
of HOW YOUR email got screwed up would be of interest.  We would like to
hear that you are "fixed" however.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Paul Maples wrote:

> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
> Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
> server. I keep getting this message:
>
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
> 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
> Error Number: 0x80004005
>
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do
> about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 10 08:33:34 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:33:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
	<4373598D.6080602@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <004401c5e614$7f239560$3092f504@x8h7l9>

Hi Rick and Gene.

I need a spindle for mine and mine is generally well warn. You need the
motor dive and set up. I plan to be traveling in the area after Turkey Day.
Maybe  we should get it together.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kgw" <gwaugh at wowway.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Star lathe


> Well, it's only about 20 miles from me...I have waaaay too many projects
> going to undertake a new endeavor, but ifn you want me to store it for
> you...
>
> Gene
> Elgin, Illinois USA
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Howdy gang;
> >  The price looks good to me, but too far;
> >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagena
me=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> >
> >RickinMt.
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Nov 10 10:49:18 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:49:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511101046200.37181@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511101046200.37181@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4373962E.5040600@fidnet.com>

I am tagging onto what Arnie has said just to suggest to all that when 
confronted with such a challenge, try your ISP help line first.  Anytime 
I have run into such a problem, they have been helpful and gotten me 
back up and running.

Gary

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Paul (and all who would like to help him),
> 
> As serious as this problem is for Paul, this dialog is of no use
> whatsoever to the other 400 or so who read this list or the digest
> version.
> 
> Would everyone who can offer help to Paul, please do it off-list DIRECTLY
> TO PAUL?
> 
> And Paul, would it be too much trouble for you to also reply
> off-list directly to those who provide help?
> 
> If you feel that everyone would benefit in some way, why not just post the
> "final solution" when you get sorted?  Although I doubt that the details
> of HOW YOUR email got screwed up would be of interest.  We would like to
> hear that you are "fixed" however.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Paul Maples wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
>>Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
>>server. I keep getting this message:
>>
>>An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
>>'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
>>Error Number: 0x80004005
>>
>>Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do
>>about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 10 10:53:46 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:53:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005b01c5e628$2ac103e0$3092f504@x8h7l9>

Rick,

I hope you are not keribigfoot.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe


> Howdy gang;
>   The price looks good to me, but too far;
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov 10 07:40:50 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
Message-ID: <20051110.201846.988.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

That IS an interesting thread.

I've never had any problems with pinstripes lifting.
(Except on my car which was "professionally" done.)
But then, THEY use "exotic" paints.

I don't use "exotic" paints to paint old iron.
Mostly, I use Rust-Oleum both on the engine and as the pinstripe.
I have, lately, "cleared" my engines and other things I've painted
and - I do it with good ol' fashion varnish.

I am well pleased with the results.  
Have had NO problems with lifting - flaking - or fish eye.

However - Lately, when using Rust-Oleum rattle cans, I HAVE had problems
with the "Enamel" reacting to the original paint.
Usually on the first coat, everything is okay.
The SECOND coat is the one doing the damage no matter how lightly I
spray.

I have also noticed that the "Enamel" in these cans smells remarkably
like the old
lacquer I used to spray auto's with years ago.
And - it is reacting just as lacquer over enamel would.

Just my 2 cents.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
(_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 10 20:17:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:17:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl><4373598D.6080602@wowway.com>
	<004401c5e614$7f239560$3092f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV99C8313195AB9B4C902A3BB590@phx.gbl>

O/T..who you talking to Ed?  I'm in Mt. he's somewhere on the right side of 
the river.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Star lathe


> Hi Rick and Gene.
>
> I need a spindle for mine and mine is generally well warn. You need the
> motor dive and set up. I plan to be traveling in the area after Turkey 
> Day.
> Maybe  we should get it together.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kgw" <gwaugh at wowway.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
>
>
> > Well, it's only about 20 miles from me...I have waaaay too many projects
> > going to undertake a new endeavor, but ifn you want me to store it for
> > you...
> >
> > Gene
> > Elgin, Illinois USA
> >
> > Richard Strobel wrote:
> >
> > >Howdy gang;
> > >  The price looks good to me, but too far;
> > >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagena
> me=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> > >
> > >RickinMt.
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >SEL mailing list
> > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 10 20:47:11 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:47:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
References: <20051110.201846.988.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17B91E58FAE6F690A0A43EBB590@phx.gbl>

HOwdy Pip..I've been using ONE SHOT ever since it was mentioned several 
years ago..believe Rotigel was the one that mentioned not to put a clear 
coat over it.

Maybe I should have referred to the Bungler Tool that's used in Pinstriping. 
I have seen the hardener advertised on Eastwoods site, but never tried 
it...might experiment one of these days.

Take Care Pip
Rick
PS;  I know "Beugler"  ha, ha


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'


> Hi Rick,
>
> That IS an interesting thread.
>
> I've never had any problems with pinstripes lifting.
> (Except on my car which was "professionally" done.)
> But then, THEY use "exotic" paints.
>
> I don't use "exotic" paints to paint old iron.
> Mostly, I use Rust-Oleum both on the engine and as the pinstripe.
> I have, lately, "cleared" my engines and other things I've painted
> and - I do it with good ol' fashion varnish.
>
> I am well pleased with the results.
> Have had NO problems with lifting - flaking - or fish eye.
>
> However - Lately, when using Rust-Oleum rattle cans, I HAVE had problems
> with the "Enamel" reacting to the original paint.
> Usually on the first coat, everything is okay.
> The SECOND coat is the one doing the damage no matter how lightly I
> spray.
>
> I have also noticed that the "Enamel" in these cans smells remarkably
> like the old
> lacquer I used to spray auto's with years ago.
> And - it is reacting just as lacquer over enamel would.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
> (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Nov 10 22:31:01 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:31:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
References: <20051110.201846.988.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY109-DAV17B91E58FAE6F690A0A43EBB590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <011401c5e689$7f929cb0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The first describes it rather well!  I always have a turps soaked rag on 
hand. Some days.........!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'


> HOwdy Pip..I've been using ONE SHOT ever since it was mentioned several 
> years ago..believe Rotigel was the one that mentioned not to put a clear 
> coat over it.
>
> Maybe I should have referred to the Bungler Tool that's used in 
> Pinstriping. I have seen the hardener advertised on Eastwoods site, but 
> never tried it...might experiment one of these days.
>
> Take Care Pip
> Rick
> PS;  I know "Beugler"  ha, ha
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
>
>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> That IS an interesting thread.
>>
>> I've never had any problems with pinstripes lifting.
>> (Except on my car which was "professionally" done.)
>> But then, THEY use "exotic" paints.
>>
>> I don't use "exotic" paints to paint old iron.
>> Mostly, I use Rust-Oleum both on the engine and as the pinstripe.
>> I have, lately, "cleared" my engines and other things I've painted
>> and - I do it with good ol' fashion varnish.
>>
>> I am well pleased with the results.
>> Have had NO problems with lifting - flaking - or fish eye.
>>
>> However - Lately, when using Rust-Oleum rattle cans, I HAVE had problems
>> with the "Enamel" reacting to the original paint.
>> Usually on the first coat, everything is okay.
>> The SECOND coat is the one doing the damage no matter how lightly I
>> spray.
>>
>> I have also noticed that the "Enamel" in these cans smells remarkably
>> like the old
>> lacquer I used to spray auto's with years ago.
>> And - it is reacting just as lacquer over enamel would.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>> \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
>> (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From junque at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 11 12:20:11 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:20:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051111121643.02c32d50@shawmail>

Download Eudora Light.  It is infinitely better IMO.  Apart from all 
the ridiculous security holes they find in Outlook (How many years 
after into??), the user interfaces in Eudora are actually clear and 
logical!  My wife uses Outlook because she is too stubborn/lazy ;-) 
to change, so I can see just how lousy OE is compared to Eudora.




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 11 12:21:44 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Problem Fixed
Message-ID: <004101c5e6fd$89599130$230110ac@PAUL>

Per Arnie's recommendation (Thanks Arnie) I am posting one message with the solution to my Outlook Express problem. If anyone has any questions please e-mail me directly OFF LIST.

I use SBC Yahoo DSL for my ISP but I have all of my messages sent to Outlook Express. In my Outlook Express options I had the box for "Leave a copy on server" checked thus each e-mail I received from any source there would automatically be a copy left of that e-mail left on my Yahoo Server. This file had grown to 44, 670 messages and somewhere within one of those messages one of them was corrupted. I deleted all 44,670 messages that was saved out on my Yahoo Server, after backing them up on Mozilla Thunderbird (Good Program) and then my Outlook Express ran perfectly.

This process of troubleshooting was over a five day period and I must say that ScanDBX, the only Microsoft Approved Outlook Express repair software on the market, was the ones who, after taking control of my computer via network software connections from San Francisco was able to diagnose the problem and solve it for me. These people at ScanDBX are the greatest and I highly recommend them to anyone who has trouble with their Outlook Express.

I want to thank each of you who responded to my inquiry for help and I apologize if I offended anyone with my O.T. request for help. Now I can read all of your messages again and enjoy the SEL.

Happy Veterans Day,

Paul


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 11 14:50:47 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:50:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Problem Fixed
References: <004101c5e6fd$89599130$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <00a901c5e712$5bfd9460$6d8ff504@x8h7l9>

Paul,

I thought it was Outhouse Express.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Problem Fixed


Per Arnie's recommendation (Thanks Arnie) I am posting one message with the
solution to my Outlook Express problem. If anyone has any questions please
e-mail me directly OFF LIST.

I use SBC Yahoo DSL for my ISP but I have all of my messages sent to Outlook
Express. In my Outlook Express options I had the box for "Leave a copy on
server" checked thus each e-mail I received from any source there would
automatically be a copy left of that e-mail left on my Yahoo Server. This
file had grown to 44, 670 messages and somewhere within one of those
messages one of them was corrupted. I deleted all 44,670 messages that was
saved out on my Yahoo Server, after backing them up on Mozilla Thunderbird
(Good Program) and then my Outlook Express ran perfectly.

This process of troubleshooting was over a five day period and I must say
that ScanDBX, the only Microsoft Approved Outlook Express repair software on
the market, was the ones who, after taking control of my computer via
network software connections from San Francisco was able to diagnose the
problem and solve it for me. These people at ScanDBX are the greatest and I
highly recommend them to anyone who has trouble with their Outlook Express.

I want to thank each of you who responded to my inquiry for help and I
apologize if I offended anyone with my O.T. request for help. Now I can read
all of your messages again and enjoy the SEL.

Happy Veterans Day,

Paul
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Nov 11 17:30:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:30:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the 
compressed air valves?


http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP

TIA
RickinMt. 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Nov 11 18:43:22 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:43:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
Message-ID: <20051111.184322.668.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
I personally don't, but if no one else steps up I can put you in contact
with someone at the Vista museum.  They have a big three cylinder FM, and
make a big production out of starting it several times a day during the
show.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:30:51 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> Howdy all;
>   Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has 
> the 
> compressed air valves?
> 
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt. 
> 


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Nov 11 18:55:12 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:55:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01d401c5e734$80985630$124e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Branch 30 in Lancaster, CA has a one cylinder version.  You might try 
contacting somebody there.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


Howdy all;
  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the
compressed air valves?


http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP

TIA
RickinMt.
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Nov 11 19:24:40 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:24:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c5e738$9e9c37b0$715a1f40@Eagle>

    Russel Farmer has a single cyl and the Portland club has a 2cyl they
have at the show every year.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


> Howdy all;
>  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the 
> compressed air valves?
> 
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt. 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov 11 20:33:45 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:33:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051111233307.04430f58@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:30 PM 11/11/2005, you wrote:
>Howdy all;
>   Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the
>compressed air valves?
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
>RickinMt.

What EXACTLY do you want to know?
         Dave 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 12 05:32:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:32:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
	<001f01c5e738$9e9c37b0$715a1f40@Eagle>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV12782C1BCAA1861A9389A6BB580@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys;  Here's a little background.

   We went down and visited with Mr. Barnes who has had the Barnes Steam and 
Power show for over thirty years..Belgrade, Mt.  Mainly Steam, but he does 
have a few combustion engines.  While we were looking it over he mentioned 
that he wished he knew of a guru who had experience with one.  His one 
comment was: "Safely start one."
   I believe this is a semi-diesel, two stroke, ports, no valves and like 
some two lungers one cylinder is used for starting (the other) on compressed 
air.  I believe I have read where too much priming fuel can cause a runaway, 
and this may be his concern.  There is evidence of a hot tube/bulb.

  I do know he needs some large air tanks and a healthy compressor and will 
try to help him out there.

  So to answer your question Dave...an operator's manual and maintenance 
manual would be helpful.  He is getting up there and like us all, has way 
too many projects.

  The "Ten Stamp" Mill is something to watch and he and friends spent over a 
month finding it a new home.

  Here's some pix's from the 2003 show:

http://community.webshots.com/album/87230418MNzrJS

  regards;
RickinMt.





























----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


>     Russel Farmer has a single cyl and the Portland club has a 2cyl they
> have at the show every year.
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> WB8NQW
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:30 PM
> Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
>
>
> > Howdy all;
> >  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the
> > compressed air valves?
> >
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Nov 12 07:56:21 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:56:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 
Message-ID: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>

Have a good one!

Don't axe any innocent Maytags.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Nov 12 08:06:49 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:06:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
Message-ID: <4enjqd$1kud29f@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net>



>    I believe this is a semi-diesel, two stroke, ports, no valves and like 
> some two lungers one cylinder is used for starting (the other) on compressed 
> air.  I believe I have read where too much priming fuel can cause a runaway, 
> and this may be his concern.  There is evidence of a hot tube/bulb.
> 
>   I do know he needs some large air tanks and a healthy compressor and will 
> try to help him out there.
The most common mistake on the two cycle Diesels that used crankcase pressure to charge the cylinder was adding oil to the crankcase. These crankcases had to be dry, it will pick up splashed lube oil and run away on that, no stopping it by  shutting fuel off. The first rule of running any engine is to know how to stop it. It was common practice to keep a sledge by the FM Y's to break the crankcase covers, eliminating cylinder charge air and stopping the engine. A tight fitting gate on the intake would work, like a Detroit emergency stop. A lever to hold the intake flapper valve open would also work.
J.B. Castagnos


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Nov 12 12:07:55 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:07:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 
References: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hell! That time again already?  Happy B'day, ya old fart!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 


> Have a good one!
> 
> Don't axe any innocent Maytags.
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov 12 15:21:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:21:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Bit Of Good Publicity - Internal Fire Museum
Message-ID: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I think you'll REALLY enjoy this video clip from a local Welsh TV program.  It's
one of the classiest pieces that I've ever seen that features some beautiful
old iron running in period settings.  It should also help to make it clear why
the Internal Fire Museum is on my list of annual charity giving.  Paul Evans is
doing great work here and it's really worth supporting.

ENJOY!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I have contacted the gal to set her streight.  The proper way to describe a
4-cycle engine is: Suck-Squeeze-Bang-Blow.  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

----- Forwarded message from Paul Evans <paul at semidiesel.com> -----
    Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:19:50 +0000
    From: Paul Evans <paul at semidiesel.com>
Reply-To: paul at semidiesel.com
 Subject: Bit Of Good Publicity
      To: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>

Evening,
We had a nice bit of publicity on the television here last Thursday. A 
Welsh antiques programme did some filming a while back and it finally 
hit the small screen.

I've stuck the video at

http://www.internalfire.com/modules/Andromeda/Multimedia/Video/Broadband/_Ant-48_20051110_210552.wmv

Bit big at 45Mb but they did a good job so worth looking at (hopefully).

Hope all going well over there.

Cheers, Paul

Internal Fire Museum of Power
Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS
http://www.internalfire.com




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 12 16:43:13 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:43:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave!
Message-ID: <20051112.194458.772.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Well - - - I don't know if it IS - or - It AIN'T - - - But - - - 
It sorta sounds like it MIGHT be - - - 


Happy Birthdayday Dave.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.

From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Nov 12 17:45:43 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:45:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
Message-ID: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>

This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Nov 12 18:23:34 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:23:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 
In-Reply-To: <003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>
	<003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <d42d7756dfa233073c0a8749338a0c0c@chartertn.net>

Well, on thinking about it, I think I may have gotten the day wrong. I 
remember Dave's b'day is adjacent to mine, but I think it might've been 
the day before (November 10) rather than the day after, (the 12th.) 
After a half century, my memory's not so good.

At any rate, hope you had a happy birthday, Dave!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za  Sun Nov 13 01:54:50 2005
From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:54:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113114849.00a7c220@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 13 02:59:23 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:59:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113125913.00a65b18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov 13 03:27:31 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:27:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Stover Progress
Message-ID: <20051113112730.PRVT14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

The big YC Stover gained some wheels today. It makes the big girl a little
easier to move around. The next step is the water tank. Only three weeks
until its first rally. Some progress pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov 13 03:29:26 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:29:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113114849.00a7c220@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000b01c5e845$852b6bd0$9d9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Jerry ....I cannot open your album . I am sure you will get some help on 
this one ,keep us posted if not.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at cyberserv.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).


> Hi The Lists,
>         I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
> 7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
> decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>
>
>
> Best Regards
> Jerry Evans
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
> ---
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> 




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 13 04:58:04 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:58:04 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113114849.00a7c220@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<000b01c5e845$852b6bd0$9d9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <003a01c5e851$e40c3f10$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).


> Jerry ....I cannot open your album . I am sure you will get some help on 
> this one ,keep us posted if not.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at cyberserv.co.za>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:54 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
> > Hi The Lists,
> >   I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
> > 7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
> > decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
> > <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm  
> > Jerry Evans www.oldengine.org/members/evans

Hi Jerry, Try this site.
http://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/
Dig around a bit, It is a bit haphazard.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Nov 13 04:59:26 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:59:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave!
In-Reply-To: <d42d7756dfa233073c0a8749338a0c0c@chartertn.net>
References: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>	<003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<d42d7756dfa233073c0a8749338a0c0c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <437738AE.7050407@udata.com>

Dave, and others... thought you might like this one

>I'm over 45 now and the Armed Forces say I'm too old to track down
>terrorists.  You can't be older than 35 to join the military.
> 
>
>They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds off
>to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn't be able to join
>until you're at least 35.
>
> 
>
>For starters: 
> 
>Researchers say 18-year- olds think about sex every 10 seconds. 
>
> 
>
>Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than
>28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy. 
> 
>Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a
>dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll complain them into
>submission. "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!" "Where's the remote control?" 
> 
>An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to war until
>you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old guy, on the
>other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he's 35 and a
>jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and M-60 would do wonders for
>the old beer belly. 
> 
>An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m.
>
> 
>
>Old guys get up early every morning to pee. 
> 
>If old guys are captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd probably
>forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a
>real brainteaser. 
> 
>Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys.  We're used to getting
>screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food.  We've also developed
>a deep appreciation for guns and rifles.
>
>  
>
>We like them almost better than naps. 
> 
>They could lighten up on the obstacle course however. I've been in combat
>and I didn't see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor
>did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training.  I can hear the
>Drill Sergeant now, "Get down and give me...er..one." 
>
>And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen anyone
>outrun a bullet. 
> 
>An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him.  He's still learning to
>shave, to actually carry on a conversation, and to wear pants without the
>top of his butt crack showing and his boxer shorts sticking out.  He's still
>hasn't figured out that a pierced tongue catches food particles, and that a
>400-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum. 
>
>All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life
>before sending them off to possible death. 
> 
>Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards who attacked our
>hearts on September 11. The last thing the enemy would want to see right now
>is a couple of million old farts with attitudes. 
> 
>Share this with your senior friends.
>
>
>(It's purposely in big type for us)  
>
>Not sure about that part about thinking about sex.
>
>
>


-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 07:42:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:42:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <4enjqd$1kud29f@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV6F810EA6A71EE333E23D9BB5B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks J.B. and others.  It's probably best if I head for Idaho or somewhere 
else that's got one and get one on one with the operator.

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


>
>
> >    I believe this is a semi-diesel, two stroke, ports, no valves and 
> > like
> > some two lungers one cylinder is used for starting (the other) on 
> > compressed
> > air.  I believe I have read where too much priming fuel can cause a 
> > runaway,
> > and this may be his concern.  There is evidence of a hot tube/bulb.
> >
> >   I do know he needs some large air tanks and a healthy compressor and 
> > will
> > try to help him out there.
> The most common mistake on the two cycle Diesels that used crankcase 
> pressure to charge the cylinder was adding oil to the crankcase. These 
> crankcases had to be dry, it will pick up splashed lube oil and run away 
> on that, no stopping it by  shutting fuel off. The first rule of running 
> any engine is to know how to stop it. It was common practice to keep a 
> sledge by the FM Y's to break the crankcase covers, eliminating cylinder 
> charge air and stopping the engine. A tight fitting gate on the intake 
> would work, like a Detroit emergency stop. A lever to hold the intake 
> flapper valve open would also work.
> J.B. Castagnos
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> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 08:39:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:39:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
References: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1142E88A69A6336E0BC9FCBB5B0@phx.gbl>

Very nice Rick..so do you have salvage rights on these..in particular the 
mechanical oilers and small items?

Thanks fer sharin'
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<STEEL at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines


This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 13 09:23:57 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:23:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Stover Progress
References: <20051113112730.PRVT14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <001101c5e877$08cc82e0$8284dccb@oemcomputer>

getting there mate!.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:27
Subject: [SEL] Stover Progress


> The big YC Stover gained some wheels today. It makes the big girl a little
> easier to move around. The next step is the water tank. Only three weeks
> until its first rally. Some progress pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paul at semidiesel.com  Sun Nov 13 10:44:25 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:44:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID
In-Reply-To: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43778989.9090203@semidiesel.com>

Hi,
Anyone have any info on a 3hp "KracKerJack" engine,probably marketed 
through the Smyth-Despard Co ,New York in 1925.

Thanks
Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Nov 13 10:46:23 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
References: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>
	<BAY109-DAV1142E88A69A6336E0BC9FCBB5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c5e882$8c05a5a0$3f151941@pengy>

They are to be preserved in situ.  That building will someday become a 
museum and if we're lucky maybe one of those beasts will run again someday. 
Too bad its a 5 1/2 hour drive from here to see them.

But if something horrible should happen and they are to be scrapped, I will 
certainly try to bring one to Youngstown!

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines


> Very nice Rick..so do you have salvage rights on these..in particular the 
> mechanical oilers and small items?
>
> Thanks fer sharin'
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
> <STEEL at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:45 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
>
>
> This is what I did on Veterans Day!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 13 11:12:20 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:12:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Begging for artwork (again).
In-Reply-To: <200511131700.jADH05Kn008931@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113210330.00a66008@mail.cyberserv.co.za>



Hi All,
         Sorry ! Must be getting older - I sent out the mail before the 
stuff was finished uploading to my site. I only got finished loading it 
about 1/2 an hour after the mail went out so those early birds must have 
got a "page not found" error message.
Please try again:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>

         Thanks for the replies Dave and Peter.

         Dave I've already been to that site - could not find anything - 
you are right - it is a bit of a muddle (even had to spend about 20 mins to 
find an eMail address). I did eventually send them mail - will wait for a 
response.  

---
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 11:24:49 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:24:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] UK Abridged Patents for Class 7 Air & Gas Engines
Message-ID: <6f6025160511131124u20d4db50g22e814cf6ee54287@mail.gmail.com>

After a lot of time spent looking at the pile of books on the floor, I
finally got stuck into one of the volume indices today, and have put
up the Subject and Name indices for the 1905 to 1908 period. The
volumes we bought cover 1855 to 1925, so there are a lot of entries to
do yet.

The pages are in order and are numbered with Roman numerals which are
used on the menu.

There is no 'page to page' navigation as there are 58 pages and it
would take up too much room at the bottom.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Patents/ABPatent.htm

It can also be accessed from the main menu, the icon is at the bottom
on the right hand side. I will get more of the indices up as soon as I
have time, and eventually the actual Patent pages as well.

Interesting to see the great and the good of the engine world listed
in the names index.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 13 11:12:20 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:12:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Begging for artwork (again).
In-Reply-To: <200511131700.jADH05Kn008931@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113210330.00a66008@mail.cyberserv.co.za>



Hi All,
         Sorry ! Must be getting older - I sent out the mail before the 
stuff was finished uploading to my site. I only got finished loading it 
about 1/2 an hour after the mail went out so those early birds must have 
got a "page not found" error message.
Please try again:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>

         Thanks for the replies Dave and Peter.

         Dave I've already been to that site - could not find anything - 
you are right - it is a bit of a muddle (even had to spend about 20 mins to 
find an eMail address). I did eventually send them mail - will wait for a 
response.
Jerry 

---
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Nov 13 17:59:01 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:59:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines

This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

~~~~~~~~

Thank you for posting some very impressive pictures, Rick.  They were a real
eye-opener.  Most texts that describe steel manufacturing processes, but
don't explain the source of air.  I guess I always assumed blowers were
used, but of course blowers couldn't produce sufficient pressure.   It never
dawned on me that reciprocating pumps were used.  Fascinating. 

Regards,

Orrin 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Nov 13 19:04:22 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:04:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
References: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <009001c5e8c8$1d54b100$3f151941@pengy>

Gas blowing engines are particularly rare.  Only a few plants used them. 
Far more common were the steam blowing engines.  Today steam turbo blowers 
are almost universally used.   There are nine steam blowing engines 
preserved at various locations in the US and Mexico and two turbo blowers 
preserved.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Rowlands
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
>
> This is what I did on Veterans Day!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>
> ~~~~~~~~
>
> Thank you for posting some very impressive pictures, Rick.  They were a 
> real
> eye-opener.  Most texts that describe steel manufacturing processes, but
> don't explain the source of air.  I guess I always assumed blowers were
> used, but of course blowers couldn't produce sufficient pressure.   It 
> never
> dawned on me that reciprocating pumps were used.  Fascinating.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From old_iron at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 20:45:15 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:45:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave!
In-Reply-To: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F1A26D2A4C9ECA8318C35DE75A0@phx.gbl>

Happy B-day, did you have a cake with cows and tracktors on it too?

Peg


>From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:56:21 
>-0500
>
>Have a good one!
>
>Don't axe any innocent Maytags.
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Sun Nov 13 20:54:17 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:54:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
Message-ID: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>

Hi guys,
           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National directly.

Cheers,
          Adam


From paul at semidiesel.com  Sun Nov 13 21:59:42 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:59:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire - SEL Engine
In-Reply-To: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <437827CE.5010900@semidiesel.com>

Hi All,
Following the SEL donation to the museum we had a think and decided 
rather than using toward general upkeep/running costs we would apply it 
to a particular project.

Shortly after a very unusual 6 cylinder Pelapone engine from the 1920s 
came up on Ebay, something we would not normally have been able to go for.

We managed to acquire it and will now be restoring it for display in the 
museum with a plate explaining the involvement of the SEL.

Our thanks again for the help over the last 2 years.

News item on the museum website with pictures at:-

http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=60&mode=thread&order=0&thold=1

Thanks
Paul & Hazel

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 13 23:24:04 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:24:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>

Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to get
in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M N
to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one of
my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine fired
using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to get
some of these American atches.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Nov 13 23:48:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:48:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
Message-ID: <013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

How come it is not published on the internet?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up


> Hi guys,
>           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft 
> Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your 
> interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you 
> feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back 
> through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National 
> directly.
>
> Cheers,
>          Adam
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Nov 14 00:20:24 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:20:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: 229058383
Message-ID: <002601c5e8f4$43ce3960$0301a8c0@Cam>

Well come on Ed tell us how you do it, I want to know,   Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz


> Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to 
> get
> in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M 
> N
> to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one 
> of
> my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine 
> fired
> using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to 
> get
> some of these American atches.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Nov 14 03:38:27 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:38:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
In-Reply-To: <013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
	<013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43787733.1010607@steamengine.com.au>

Apparently there is someone working on an internet site (I won't reveal who on list in case it is wrong - ask me off 
list if you really want to know) but he is being VERY slow about it. My offers have been spurned.

Regards
Paul

R & M Ingold wrote:
> How come it is not published on the internet?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 


-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 04:34:11 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:34:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <20051114123411.70976.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Back in the late 80's and early 90's I lived in Bethlehem and at that time they were still running. I had an occasion to be in that power house one day and they were running 2 or 3 of those units. What an awsume sight and sound. 
Ron 

Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines

This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH 44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

~~~~~~~~

Thank you for posting some very impressive pictures, Rick. They were a real
eye-opener. Most texts that describe steel manufacturing processes, but
don't explain the source of air. I guess I always assumed blowers were
used, but of course blowers couldn't produce sufficient pressure. It never
dawned on me that reciprocating pumps were used. Fascinating. 

Regards,

Orrin 


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 


		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 06:27:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:27:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O/T  something to watch on cold winter nights
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9FC86DF7FA934978ED0ACBB5A0@phx.gbl>

Very bizarre..you'll neeed a fast connection or plenty of patience.

http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/

And they think we're nutz :-)

RickinMt.


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 07:13:58 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:13:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I hear OZ is looking to ban water glasses because someone might break one
and get cut and bleed.

Now the engine starting how it was intended is great news.
Guess if I ever visit down under I'll have to sneak in a few boxes of
those matches we have laying in our cupboard so you can start it!


Bill

> Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to
> get
> in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M
> N
> to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one
> of
> my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine
> fired
> using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to
> get
> some of these American atches.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov 14 07:46:49 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:46:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
	<1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <4378B169.7040904@imc-group.com>

No problem mate, they don't drink water in Oz anyway. If it ain't beer 
it ain't fit to drink! ;-)
Curt
P.S. Now if they were to ban beer mugs a damned revolution would occur!

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

>I hear OZ is looking to ban water glasses because someone might break one
>and get cut and bleed.
>
>  
>



From segray at mlode.com  Mon Nov 14 07:48:05 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:48:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Villiers question
Message-ID: <4378B1B5.30304@mlode.com>

Hey All -

Received this yesterday and thought somebody here might know. I've never 
been around a Villiers. Reply directly to him since he's not on the 
list. Thanks!

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 08:53:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:53:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <4378B169.7040904@imc-group.com>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
	<1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<4378B169.7040904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <1538.165.206.180.102.1131987239.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Oops - excellent point!  :-)


Bill

> No problem mate, they don't drink water in Oz anyway. If it ain't beer
> it ain't fit to drink! ;-)
> Curt
> P.S. Now if they were to ban beer mugs a damned revolution would occur!
>
> bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>>I hear OZ is looking to ban water glasses because someone might break one
>>and get cut and bleed.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov 14 09:09:57 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
Message-ID: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>

A neighbor had a nice red oak taken down and asked if I wanted the tree 
since we heat with wood. Most everything was cut in 5' lengths making 
sawing with a chain saw less than ideal. So on Saturday morning we fired 
up the 8HP Famous buzz saw in an a couple of hours cut it all up. There 
were about 2 truck loads of limbs to cut. It took Devin and I the rest 
of the day to split and stack the wood.

Before starting:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010102.jpg

Finished:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010104.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010106.jpg

We do this a couple of times a year in addition to using it at shows. 
How many others regularly use your old hit and miss engines? Tell us 
about it.....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 09:34:51 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:34:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 10:32:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

<< I'll have to sneak in a few boxes of
 those matches we have laying in our cupboard so you can start it! >>

Bill/Edd,  

I remember as a kid we used to take those matches and modify a spring type 
wooden clothes pin to shoot the matches and light them at the same time!  Wonder 
how many remember how to do that today?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Nov 14 09:55:57 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:55:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Curt pity you didn't take a picture while in action.

John H.



> A neighbor had a nice red oak taken down and asked if I wanted the tree 
> since we heat with wood. Most everything was cut in 5' lengths making 
> sawing with a chain saw less than ideal. So on Saturday morning we fired 
> up the 8HP Famous buzz saw in an a couple of hours cut it all up. There 
> were about 2 truck loads of limbs to cut. It took Devin and I the rest 
> of the day to split and stack the wood.
> 
> Before starting:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010102.jpg
> 
> Finished:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010104.jpg
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010106.jpg
> 
> We do this a couple of times a year in addition to using it at shows. 
> How many others regularly use your old hit and miss engines? Tell us 
> about it.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 14 09:58:20 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:58:20 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers question
References: <4378B1B5.30304@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5e945$00ef5fb0$fa4c1152@no1>

Hi Steve, I cannot see any question?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] Villiers question


> Hey All -
> 
> Received this yesterday and thought somebody here might know. I've never 
> been around a Villiers. Reply directly to him since he's not on the 
> list. Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
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From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 10:35:39 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:35:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBAEBOEKAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


>From: Germoamer at aol.com

>I remember as a kid we used to take those matches
>and modify a spring type wooden clothes pin to shoot
> the matches and light them at the same time!  Wonder
>how many remember how to do that today?

Yeah Tom, I remember doing that.  Also remember cutting the heads off
and putting them in a nut with a carriage bolt screwed in both ways on
the same nut.  Then throw it on a rock, on one bolt head or the other
... made good firecrackers!

Carl



From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 10:35:41 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:35:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBEEBOEKAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


From: Curt

>How many others regularly use your old hit and
>miss engines? Tell us about it.....

Well, I don't use one any more, but your photos bring back a lot of
memories.  I was brought up on a farm in the lower end of the Catskills
in New York State.  Always got out our own logs for lumber, resulting in
lots of limbs for firewood.  Every fall we got out the old saw rig and
cut up our winter wood!   Don't even remember what the hopper cooled
engine was ... my dad sold it to a 'scrap collector' many years later
... and then told me AFTER he did it!

They would put him in jail today if you had your kids standing by the
unguarded saw, tossing off the chunks as they were cut!  That was always
my job!  LOTS of memories!!

Carl
Lake Stevens, WA
Gastonia?  Sounds like it must be near Gaston Lake?  We were down to
South Hill, VA in July to my wife's high school reunion.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 11:13:40 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
Message-ID: <129.691263df.30aa3be4@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:05:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kd7bfn at earthlink.net writes:

<< Gastonia?  Sounds like it must be near Gaston Lake?  We were down to
 South Hill, VA in July to my wife's high school reunion. >>


Gastonia is in North Carolina where Curt is from.  When you were in South 
Hill, Va. you were not too far from where we live near Appomattox, Va.  Come to 
see me some time!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 14 11:16:46 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:16:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl><013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<43787733.1010607@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <001c01c5e950$23c2ed80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

For a so called National body, its rather weak, dont you think?
Oh, sorry. I have a short memory. It is a secret society now that I think 
about past events.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up


> Apparently there is someone working on an internet site (I won't reveal 
> who on list in case it is wrong - ask me off list if you really want to 
> know) but he is being VERY slow about it. My offers have been spurned.
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>> How come it is not published on the internet?
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 14 11:41:11 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:41:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>

http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html

so did I   Don in Ohio
> how many remember how to do that today?
> 
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 12:42:53 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:42:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <1132000973.4378f6cd7209f@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  That's brilliant.  Reminds me of the black pipe muskets we made when
I was a kid.  Matchheads from paper book matches were thye "powder" firing
half-inch ball bearings.  Damn, they were wicked powerful!  We were sooo stupid
as kids!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>:

> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
> so did I   Don in Ohio




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 14 12:40:55 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <20051114.155458.856.2.jlb94@juno.com>

I don't remember using a spring type clothes pin - 

I DO remember using a gum band (rubber band) and an empty sewing thread
spool.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 14 12:39:19 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:39:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
Message-ID: <20051114.155458.856.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Curt,
Way - Cool stuff.

It must be FUN to live at your house.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
(_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov 14 13:00:28 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:00:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>

In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has resulted
in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my engine
by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose after
being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:41
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz


> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>
> so did I   Don in Ohio
> > how many remember how to do that today?
> >
> >
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 13:31:26 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:31:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1132003886.4379022e6e882@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Edd,

It's well known that Oz has banned and confiscated firearms and ammo, crossbows,
bows & arrows, spears, swords, daggers, dirks, knives (including anything more
threatening than a butter knife) and that forks are next on the banning block.

But WTF?  Matches????  Please tell me that you're joking?  If you're not joking,
what on earth is the deadly risk that your pollies are trying to protect you
from?  If your pollies fear fire, they should be aware of the potential of
rubbing two sticks (or two girl scouts) together.  If it's not fire, but rather
heat (If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.")  I think that
quote was from one of our pollies, but he wasn't referring to matches!

BTW I'm happy that you finally found some and were able to properly start your
engine.  Please let me know if you need more.  We have an abundance.  We can
also provide shotgun shells for starting tractors like the Field Marshal. 
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting edd payne <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>:

> Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to get
> in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M N
> to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one of
> my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine fired
> using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to get
> some of these American atches.
> EDD PAYNE




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 13:34:40 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
In-Reply-To: <013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
	<013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1132004080.437902f07cfc8@webmail.city-net.com>

WOT???  You want the unwashed rabble to read this sacred document???
My gawd man, the next thing you'll tell us is that you beleive in free speech!!
And no fences at rallys.  HERITIC!!!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>:

> How come it is not published on the internet?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> >           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft 
> > Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your 
> > interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you 
> > feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back 
> > through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National 
> > directly.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 13:39:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:39:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <1132000973.4378f6cd7209f@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<1132000973.4378f6cd7209f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <2022.165.206.180.102.1132004378.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

For us it was a tennis ball cannon - 4 or 5 beer cans, duct tape, lighter
fluid and a tennis ball.
DAM that thing stung if you were hit - and it would fire that ball for
over a city block if done right.

Arnie, I prefer to think of it as "creative"...........  :-)
my parents even furnished the supplies!

We even launched projectiles with firecrackers and cans.

Bill

> ROFLMAO!!  That's brilliant.  Reminds me of the black pipe muskets we made
> when
> I was a kid.  Matchheads from paper book matches were thye "powder" firing
> half-inch ball bearings.  Damn, they were wicked powerful!  We were sooo
> stupid
> as kids!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>:
>
>> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>> so did I   Don in Ohio
>
>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 13:41:58 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:41:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <2028.165.206.180.102.1132004518.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Sorry - it was all in jest, no intent on slamming a great country or the
people who live there.

I do have a question - since "safety matches" can be ignited in other ways
as well, how does banning those wooden strike anywhere type really work?
Maybe there was a study, but I really would wonder.

Bill

> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has
> resulted
> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my
> engine
> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose
> after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:41
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>>
>> so did I   Don in Ohio
>> > how many remember how to do that today?
>> >
>> >
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 13:53:44 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <fa.207d7903.30aa6168@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 3:02:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
don.h at wcoil.com writes:

<< http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html >>

Don,

I should have known that someone would post the instructions on how to make a 
clothespin match shooter.    Wonder if there are instructions anywhere on how 
to make bean shooters out of Elderberry bushes or hollow reeds?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 13:57:40 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:57:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <1e2.48c1bfd1.30aa6254@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 4:09:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jlb94 at juno.com writes:

<< I DO remember using a gum band (rubber band) and an empty sewing thread
 spool. >>
Joe,

I never made a match shooter out of a thread spool and rubber band, but do 
remember making a wind up toy using them.  Supposed you called it a crawler of 
sorts.  Even notched the rims for better traction.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:00:28 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:00:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <ae.7ecfe323.30aa62fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 4:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<< We were sooo stupid
 as kids!! >>

Arnie,

And is a wonder we survived thru it without getting maimed one way or the 
other.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Nov 14 14:07:00 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:07:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <410-22005111142270109@coastalnet.com>


> [Original Message]
> From: edd payne <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>

I suppose after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.

Hi Edd,

You are right, you should have known better. <VBG>  It does seem that
folks are often looking for the negative aspects of posts rather than what
is meant to be a great sharing of engine info.

One of the best descriptions of the match start engine is found on one of
Harry's pages at: http://www.old-engine.com/hunsader.htm  in case folks 
want to see a few pictures related to the subject.

Maybe you can get Patrick up there sometime to take pictures and make 
a webpage showing your starting technique.

Thanks again for sharing.

Ken





From segray at mlode.com  Mon Nov 14 14:31:16 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:31:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Villiers question
Message-ID: <43791034.5080708@mlode.com>

Hi Dave -

    Yeah, I don't know what happened that time. Let's try it this way:

*********************************************************************

Vaughan Steele at steele87 at hotmail.com wrote:

Hi there,

I'm from Australia, and am researching a particular engine but cannot 
find any information... I would love it if you could help point me in 
the right direction.
 
Villiers Petrol Engine
 
Type: c12a-01-01
No. 99935
 
 
 Any information would be greatly appreciated.

*********************************************************************

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com






From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:31:37 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: UK Abridged Patents for Class 7 Air & Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <4377A037.9000207@udata.com>
References: <6f6025160511131124u20d4db50g22e814cf6ee54287@mail.gmail.com>
	<4377A037.9000207@udata.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511141431y6e854a21k4315aa14f372ab4d@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/13/05, Leroy C. <oldengin at udata.com> wrote:
> Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> >After a lot of time spent looking at the pile of books on the floor, I
> >finally got stuck into one of the volume indices today, and have put
> >up the Subject and Name indices for the 1905 to 1908 period.
> >
>
> Peter, I Browsed a few of the pages and can you tell me are there any
> pics of the patented items? I did not see any of them and wish I could.
>C-ya
>Leroy Clark
>

OK, I have added the first ten Patent pages from the 1905 volume. They
are at the bottom of the main Abridged Patents menu page.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Patents/ABPatent.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:37:31 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:37:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <103.6cbf4ef6.30aa6bab@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:14:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

For us  it was a tennis ball cannon - 4 or 5 beer cans, duct tape, lighter
fluid  and a tennis ball.
DAM that thing stung if you were hit - and it would fire  that ball for
over a city block if done right.


We can't forget the "Potato Gun".  It was  constructed from PVC fittings and 
pipe.  The ignition source was a striker  from a Coleman Lantern. The 
propellant was a little starter fluid sprayed  into combustion chamber.  The 
projectile was, of course, a potato  stuffed into the barrel.

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 14:48:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:48:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was A real buzz - Now Match Start Engines
In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1132008539.4379145b5a28b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Edd,

> I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.

Sorry mate.  Up top, match start engines are pretty damn rare beasts.  I only
know a couple of guys that own (or owned) one.  Are they more common down under
in Oz?  I only know of an early Fairbanks model that was match start.

In the George Best mode of thread change, how many different match start engines
can folks identify?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Using a match to light the fire under a boiler or hot air engine, or the
starting lamp, or the hot tube DOES NOT count.

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 15:02:35 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Caste Iron Curry Listeroids
Message-ID: <1132009355.4379178b8f335@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I think there are a number of you who own and enjoy running the Indian clones of
the venerable Lister CS diesel engine.

Please contact me off list if you would like to swap experiences with an English
gent who's contemplating getting one to use for a variety of novel purposes.

I think John Culp and Ron Carroll will be willing.  I think there are a couple
on the left coast?  Others?

Let me know off-list please.  Unless you see a thread in this, then post to the
list.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 16:14:44 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:14:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <410-220051121501444609@earthlink.net>

Hell Francis, we used Final Net hair spray which we would spray down the
tube and then used the potato like a piston bt ramming it in behind the
hair spray, had to use a stick as a plunger as we had a 6 foot long peice
of 2 inch pipe to work with.  For the ignition, the striker just didn't
always seem to work, so we threaded in a 1/2 inch spark plug and fired it
wit a buzz coil and 12 volt battery.  That sucker could really shoot, even
had soom recoil.

Tim Christoff


> We can't forget the "Potato Gun".  It was  constructed from PVC fittings
and 
> pipe.  The ignition source was a striker  from a Coleman Lantern. The 
> propellant was a little starter fluid sprayed  into combustion chamber. 
The 
> projectile was, of course, a potato  stuffed into the barrel.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 14 16:16:55 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:16:55 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <103.6cbf4ef6.30aa6bab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5e979$e4214f30$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz


> 
> In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:14:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
> For us  it was a tennis ball cannon - 4 or 5 beer cans, duct tape, lighter
> fluid  and a tennis ball.
> DAM that thing stung if you were hit - and it would fire  that ball for
> over a city block if done right.
> We can't forget the "Potato Gun".  It was  constructed from PVC fittings and 
> pipe.  The ignition source was a striker  from a Coleman Lantern. The 
> propellant was a little starter fluid sprayed  into combustion chamber.  The 
> projectile was, of course, a potato  stuffed into the barrel.
> Francis  Maciel

The little trick we used as kids was  to half fill a glass tablet bottle with water & put in 
a lot of Calcium Carbide* stuck under the lid. (*Carbide cycle lamp powder)
We carefully carried these to the canal & shook them for about a minute so the acetelene
could build up pressure.
Then we thew them in the water just before (If we were lucky) the bottle exploded  with the
pressure stunning the fish.
Small things amuse small minds.  Is this why people collect Magtags?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 14 17:08:11 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:08:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <20051114.200916.844.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Potatoe Gun ???

What is that ??

Better watch - - - The BTFA is listening.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Nov 14 20:53:37 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:53:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <009001c5e8c8$1d54b100$3f151941@pengy>
References: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>
	<009001c5e8c8$1d54b100$3f151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <7a3330fac4bac7ae54491529fb85f036@chartertn.net>

Geoff Hutchings has a Bessemer 70 HP gas blowing engine that came out 
of an Owens-Corning glass plant. About the size of a school bus.

On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Gas blowing engines are particularly rare.  Only a few plants used 
> them. Far more common were the steam blowing engines.  Today steam 
> turbo blowers are almost universally used.   There are nine steam 
> blowing engines preserved at various locations in the US and Mexico 
> and two turbo blowers preserved.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 14 21:03:56 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:03:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051115050351.FNUQ18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the engine
list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk
cr*p' list.
Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing it in
action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has resulted
in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my engine
by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose after
being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 14 15:10:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:10:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
In-Reply-To: <1132004080.437902f07cfc8@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
	<013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<1132004080.437902f07cfc8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051114180729.0ccdfc68@mail.alltel.net>

Arnie,
         Your diplomatic peace making ability is exceeded ONLY by your good 
looks. If you only had a rubber ducky that matched your truck you would be 
GOLDEN!
         Dave

At 04:34 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote:
>WOT???  You want the unwashed rabble to read this sacred document???
>My gawd man, the next thing you'll tell us is that you beleive in free 
>speech!!
>And no fences at rallys.  HERITIC!!!!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>:
>
> > How come it is not published on the internet?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> > >           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft
> > > Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your
> > > interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you
> > > feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back
> > > through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National
> > > directly.
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 14 17:54:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:54:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <20051114.200916.844.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20051114.200916.844.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051114205050.0ccf1ca8@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:08 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote:
>Potatoe Gun ???
>What is that ??
>Better watch - - - The BTFA is listening.
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

Hi Joe, See: http://platinumchromatography.com/potato.htm and 
http://www.mshamash.com/spud/spudgun1.html for starters.
         Dave



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Nov 14 22:15:29 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:15:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
References: 138621515
Message-ID: <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>


You got plenty of response there Ed.

Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia

Subject: RE: [SEL] A real buzz


>I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the 
>engine
> list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
> match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk> 
> cr*p' list.
> Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing it 
> in
> action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
>
> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has 
> resulted
> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my 
> engine
> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose 
> after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Nov 15 02:31:15 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:31:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com><007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <012401c5e9cf$b53d4240$5f11fea9@merlin>

I agree with you Edd. I also see that the potatoe  gun, list is talking 
Engines at the moment
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz


> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has 
> resulted
> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my 
> engine
> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose 
> after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:41
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>>
>> so did I   Don in Ohio
>> > how many remember how to do that today?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Nov 15 04:27:26 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:27:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <200511141700.jAEH04ks031082@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051115142159.00a7a9d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 14/11/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>6. Re: Begging for artwork (again).


Hi List,
         I've been having trouble with my eMail and have had to change to a 
newer version of my beloved Eudora - I was using a very old version and my 
service provider upgraded their server. The old version cannot 
"authenticate" and will not accept outgoing mail from me. So it's a newer 
version now.
         The reason for this post is just that I've noticed some of my mail 
is duplicated (sent twice). I'm aware of this and will figure out the 
problem soon so please just bear with me until such time.
Thanks


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Nov 15 05:04:41 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:04:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
In-Reply-To: <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
showing a "cut-away"?

I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
ignition and starting systems.


Bill


>
> You got plenty of response there Ed.
>
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
>     Kariong
>       Gosford 2250
>         Australia
>
> Subject: RE: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>>I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the
>>engine
>> list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
>> match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk>
>> cr*p' list.
>> Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing
>> it
>> in
>> action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
>> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety
>> matches.It
>> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has
>> resulted
>> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
>> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my
>> engine
>> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack
>> on
>> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
>> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose
>> after
>> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> 0263742387
>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Nov 15 06:04:54 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:04:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
Message-ID: <410-220051121514454421@coastalnet.com>

Bill,

I don't have an illustration, but here is an excerpt from Rathbun's 
"Gas Engine Troubles and Installation" published in 1912.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/match-start/

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/15/2005 8:32:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz OT
>
> Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
> mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
> combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
> showing a "cut-away"?
>
> I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
> the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
> ignition and starting systems.
>
>
> Bill





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 06:19:03 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:19:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Big FBM vertical started with Steam compressor
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2045AF1578F8CF13054F87BB5D0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Well I finally got the real story on this display down at the Barnes Steam 
and Power show.  Here's the boiler and rather large Ingersol Sargent 
Steam/Air Compressor..note the large air tank:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87484390YUgaLN

The compressed air is piped underground to the FBM for starting..here's the 
FBM:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP

Thanks to Gary Yaeger for explaining this setup...here's his description:


"
Rick,
I wonder if John Hochstettler no longer comes their show?  He used to be the 
FBM guy.  John would get their propane torch over at the FBM and pre-heat 
the copper "glow plug" pins.  Meanwhile over at the Broderick boiler, 
pressure is setting on 150 PSI and everyone is in place to run the 700 hp 
Ingersol Sargent steam compressor.  One of the Barnes' would climb up to the 
main steam valve, crack it open so the condensate would blow out of all ends 
of the cylinders, gradually speeding the RPMs until the cylinder cocks could 
be shut.  Then they'd open the main valve until it was running full speed. 
When the compressor storage tank was near the top, they'd open a large valve 
that ran underground to the FBM.  It would start turning over and would soon 
"light up."  The IR compressor was shut down, as the boiler was dreained way 
down anyway, and someone would release the rest of the pressure in the 
compressor tank.  I don't remember exactly how the FBM was controlled, but 
he'd let it almost stop, then send more diesel fuel.  After a huge explosive 
backfire, it'd take off again.  Only one cylinder runs in a steady pull. 
Throttling it back, then opening the throttle, it'd run on both cylinders, 
until it got up to speed again.  Pretty simple, huh? 


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Nov 15 06:57:21 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:57:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I Have seen one several match start engines both of which were 
Fairbanks-Morse.  A father son team had one at the Carson Valley show 
several years ago and were starting it every hour or so.  Here is how it 
worked.  The flywheel was stopped slightly over TDC on the power stroke and 
held there.  The other guy worked a hand pump on the side of the engine that 
drew the air over a shallow pan of gas and then into the cylinder through a 
check valve.  When the pump was getting really hard to pump and the flywheel 
holder was beginning to strain.  The match holder was pushed in with a whack 
and the engine went chuff and began to run.  This engine was about 10 HP or 
so and was a early engine although I can't remember the date.

The entire match assemble unscrewed from the side of the head and was 
cleaned before start up.  Most of the match is cut off leaving a very short 
piece that goes in the match holder which looked like a piece of slotted 
tube.

I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting matches 
as he didn't think they were still being made.

I saw another FM match start at the Vista show which was being started the 
hard way by pulling the flywheel through.  The match start was missing and 
he had made a shotgun adapter that held a blank 410 shotgun shell.  I assume 
that the blast from the shotgun shell is enough to push it through a 
complete cycle.  Maybe next time it will be done this way and I can see how 
it works.

Are we back ON TOPIC now?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz OT


Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
showing a "cut-away"?

I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
ignition and starting systems.


Bill


>
> You got plenty of response there Ed.
>
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
>     Kariong
>       Gosford 2250
>         Australia
>
> Subject: RE: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>>I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the
>>engine
>> list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
>> match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk>
>> cr*p' list.
>> Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing
>> it
>> in
>> action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
>> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety
>> matches.It
>> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has
>> resulted
>> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
>> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my
>> engine
>> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack
>> on
>> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
>> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose
>> after
>> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> 0263742387
>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>
>>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 07:44:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:44:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Match start and shot gun shell start engines.
In-Reply-To: <001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: 138621515
	<005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <437A0243.7040808@imc-group.com>

Jim,
I have never had the pleasure of seeing a match start engine actually 
started. I did look over a large 25HP? Fairbanks in Georgia a few years 
ago that was match start. The owner explained the process exactly as you 
did. Hold the flywheel, hand pump the cylinder pressure up, and then 
light it off with the match.
Since you mentioned the shot gun shell starters, and questioned if they 
had enough uumph to bring it over, I have a question about those. When 
starting an engine or tractor with shotgun shell start, do you precharge 
the cylinder with a fuel charge? Does the shell actually provide the 
pressure to carry it all the way over, or is it only providing instant 
compression and firing a fuel charge in the cylinder to cary it thru?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jim and Diane wrote:

>I Have seen one several match start engines both of which were 
>Fairbanks-Morse.  A father son team had one at the Carson Valley show 
>several years ago and were starting it every hour or so.  Here is how it 
>worked.  The flywheel was stopped slightly over TDC on the power stroke and 
>held there.  The other guy worked a hand pump on the side of the engine that 
>drew the air over a shallow pan of gas and then into the cylinder through a 
>check valve.  When the pump was getting really hard to pump and the flywheel 
>holder was beginning to strain.  The match holder was pushed in with a whack 
>and the engine went chuff and began to run.  This engine was about 10 HP or 
>so and was a early engine although I can't remember the date.
>
>The entire match assemble unscrewed from the side of the head and was 
>cleaned before start up.  Most of the match is cut off leaving a very short 
>piece that goes in the match holder which looked like a piece of slotted 
>tube.
>
>I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting matches 
>as he didn't think they were still being made.
>
>I saw another FM match start at the Vista show which was being started the 
>hard way by pulling the flywheel through.  The match start was missing and 
>he had made a shotgun adapter that held a blank 410 shotgun shell.  I assume 
>that the blast from the shotgun shell is enough to push it through a 
>complete cycle.  Maybe next time it will be done this way and I can see how 
>it works.
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Nov 15 08:11:46 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:11:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Big FBM vertical started with Steam compressor
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2045AF1578F8CF13054F87BB5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV2045AF1578F8CF13054F87BB5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3023.165.206.180.102.1132071106.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

We've got an air start FM diesel at Waukee as part of the permanent engine
display.
A bar is used to turn the engine over via flywheel to a certain point
while the air pressure is built up in the tank. A valve is opened and the
air cranks the engine over to start it.

Pretty cool. Has a Woodward governor on the "front" end. Takes a bit of
muscle to get the engine lined up for the air charge and if you miss, you
go around again........

Bill

> G'day all;
>   Well I finally got the real story on this display down at the Barnes
> Steam
> and Power show.  Here's the boiler and rather large Ingersol Sargent
> Steam/Air Compressor..note the large air tank:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87484390YUgaLN
>
> The compressed air is piped underground to the FBM for starting..here's
> the
> FBM:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
>
> Thanks to Gary Yaeger for explaining this setup...here's his description:
>
>
> "
> Rick,
> I wonder if John Hochstettler no longer comes their show?  He used to be
> the
> FBM guy.  John would get their propane torch over at the FBM and pre-heat
> the copper "glow plug" pins.  Meanwhile over at the Broderick boiler,
> pressure is setting on 150 PSI and everyone is in place to run the 700 hp
> Ingersol Sargent steam compressor.  One of the Barnes' would climb up to
> the
> main steam valve, crack it open so the condensate would blow out of all
> ends
> of the cylinders, gradually speeding the RPMs until the cylinder cocks
> could
> be shut.  Then they'd open the main valve until it was running full speed.
> When the compressor storage tank was near the top, they'd open a large
> valve
> that ran underground to the FBM.  It would start turning over and would
> soon
> "light up."  The IR compressor was shut down, as the boiler was dreained
> way
> down anyway, and someone would release the rest of the pressure in the
> compressor tank.  I don't remember exactly how the FBM was controlled, but
> he'd let it almost stop, then send more diesel fuel.  After a huge
> explosive
> backfire, it'd take off again.  Only one cylinder runs in a steady pull.
> Throttling it back, then opening the throttle, it'd run on both cylinders,
> until it got up to speed again.  Pretty simple, huh?
> _______________________________________________
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 15 08:36:03 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:36:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
Message-ID: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set the 
wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be unstable. 
Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp Economy they 
could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 09:14:10 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:14:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437A1762.1040102@imc-group.com>

Luke,
The wheels are set at the same width on both the straight and drop 
center carts. Have a look at my engineering drawings of various Hercules 
cart parts on my web site:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DrawingsOfGasEngineParts/HerculesCartParts/Thumbnails.html>

If I have left off any dimension you may need let me know and I'll look 
them up on the original CAD drawings. Or if you like I can email the 
drawing(s) to you.

Hope this helps.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set 
> the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be 
> unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp 
> Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
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>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 09:27:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:27:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437A1A67.9040709@imc-group.com>

Oh.... and to answer your question it is 54.5" center of rim to center 
of rim.
Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set 
> the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be 
> unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp 
> Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 09:36:11 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:36:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Match start and shot gun shell start engines.
In-Reply-To: <C30753A75484EB4AA54E379557483A980A5A206B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <C30753A75484EB4AA54E379557483A980A5A206B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <437A1C8B.7040205@imc-group.com>

OK George, until you mentioned it I didn't realize there were two 
methods of shell start engines. So what I think I hear you saying is 
that 410 primer start engines are precharged with fuel and "tickled" 
with the 410 shell primer to start.

The Field Marshall tractor you mentioned....is this a gas burner or a 
diesel?
If a gas burner do you suck a charge in first? Or do you fire the shell 
getting the flywheel rotating and only then do you choke it to draw in fuel?

Is full shot gun shell starting used on both gasoline and diesel engines?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Best, George wrote:

>My impression of the match start engines, is that the match basically
>does the same thing as hand tripping an ignitor to start an engine.  All
>the match does, is ignite the charge in the cylinder.
>
>I would think the 410 shotgun shell primer is doing basically the same
>thing.
>
>The shotgun shell start on the Field Marshall is different in that a
>sufficient powder charge in the shell to spin the engine over several
>times is used.
>
>George
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org 
>>[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:44 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list
>>Cc: SEL (Oldengine.org)
>>Subject: Match start and shot gun shell start engines.
>>
>>Jim,
>>I have never had the pleasure of seeing a match start engine 
>>actually started. I did look over a large 25HP? Fairbanks in 
>>Georgia a few years ago that was match start. The owner 
>>explained the process exactly as you did. Hold the flywheel, 
>>hand pump the cylinder pressure up, and then light it off 
>>with the match.
>>Since you mentioned the shot gun shell starters, and 
>>questioned if they had enough uumph to bring it over, I have 
>>a question about those. When starting an engine or tractor 
>>with shotgun shell start, do you precharge the cylinder with 
>>a fuel charge? Does the shell actually provide the pressure 
>>to carry it all the way over, or is it only providing instant 
>>compression and firing a fuel charge in the cylinder to cary it thru?
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>>Jim and Diane wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I Have seen one several match start engines both of which were 
>>>Fairbanks-Morse.  A father son team had one at the Carson 
>>>      
>>>
>>Valley show 
>>    
>>
>>>several years ago and were starting it every hour or so.  
>>>      
>>>
>>Here is how 
>>    
>>
>>>it worked.  The flywheel was stopped slightly over TDC on the power 
>>>stroke and held there.  The other guy worked a hand pump on 
>>>      
>>>
>>the side of 
>>    
>>
>>>the engine that drew the air over a shallow pan of gas and then into 
>>>the cylinder through a check valve.  When the pump was 
>>>      
>>>
>>getting really 
>>    
>>
>>>hard to pump and the flywheel holder was beginning to strain.  The 
>>>match holder was pushed in with a whack and the engine went 
>>>      
>>>
>>chuff and 
>>    
>>
>>>began to run.  This engine was about 10 HP or so and was a 
>>>      
>>>
>>early engine although I can't remember the date.
>>    
>>
>>>The entire match assemble unscrewed from the side of the 
>>>      
>>>
>>head and was 
>>    
>>
>>>cleaned before start up.  Most of the match is cut off 
>>>      
>>>
>>leaving a very 
>>    
>>
>>>short piece that goes in the match holder which looked like 
>>>      
>>>
>>a piece of 
>>    
>>
>>>slotted tube.
>>>
>>>I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting 
>>>matches as he didn't think they were still being made.
>>>
>>>I saw another FM match start at the Vista show which was 
>>>      
>>>
>>being started 
>>    
>>
>>>the hard way by pulling the flywheel through.  The match start was 
>>>missing and he had made a shotgun adapter that held a blank 
>>>      
>>>
>>410 shotgun 
>>    
>>
>>>shell.  I assume that the blast from the shotgun shell is enough to 
>>>push it through a complete cycle.  Maybe next time it will 
>>>      
>>>
>>be done this 
>>    
>>
>>>way and I can see how it works.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 10:14:35 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:14:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F373921CB0A8DAFB756FA3AC85D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F373921CB0A8DAFB756FA3AC85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437A258B.3050104@imc-group.com>

Nope, this is the distance from tread to tread along the width of the cart.

It is 76.75 axle to axle along the length of the cart on a drop frame 
cart. It is MUCH longer on a straight railed cart. I am of the opinion 
that the same length of steel was used to make both the straight and 
drop frame carts. When they bent the rails this made the drop cart much 
shorter.

Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Are you giving the distance between the front and rear axles? I'm 
> looking for the width of the wheels footprint not the length. Maybe I 
> wasn't clear enough in my original message. For example, talking about 
> the rear axle only, I would like to know how wide or how far apart the 
> wheels are. Outside to outside preferably.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ===============
>
>> From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>> Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> CC: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
>> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:27:03 -0500
>>
>> Oh.... and to answer your question it is 54.5" center of rim to 
>> center of rim.
>> Curt
>>
>> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>
>>> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to 
>>> set the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it 
>>> be unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 
>>> 5hp Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>>>
>>> Luke Tonneberger
>>> Rockford, Michigan
>>> USA
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>>
>>>
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Tue Nov 15 10:48:02 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
References: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c5ea15$1e0cdf20$6dee123f@oemcomputer>

Luke,

I have a couple 5 HP Economy carts.  Will send info soon.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions


> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set the
> wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be unstable.
> Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp Economy they
> could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 15 10:56:18 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:56:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <437A258B.3050104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23688AF0C7C0D219BCFACAC85D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Curt. I have an existing set of axles where the wheels are 52.25 
apart. This should be close enough. It looked a little wide all drawn up, 
but should do the trick. I'll send an attachment to Jim's list showing what 
it will look like.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===============================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>CC: SEL <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:14:35 -0500
>
>Nope, this is the distance from tread to tread along the width of the cart.
>
>It is 76.75 axle to axle along the length of the cart on a drop frame cart. 
>It is MUCH longer on a straight railed cart. I am of the opinion that the 
>same length of steel was used to make both the straight and drop frame 
>carts. When they bent the rails this made the drop cart much shorter.
>
>Curt
>
>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>>Curt,
>>
>>Are you giving the distance between the front and rear axles? I'm looking 
>>for the width of the wheels footprint not the length. Maybe I wasn't clear 
>>enough in my original message. For example, talking about the rear axle 
>>only, I would like to know how wide or how far apart the wheels are. 
>>Outside to outside preferably.
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>
>>===============
>>
>>>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>>>Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>CC: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
>>>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:27:03 -0500
>>>
>>>Oh.... and to answer your question it is 54.5" center of rim to center of 
>>>rim.
>>>Curt
>>>
>>>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Everybody,
>>>>
>>>>I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set 
>>>>the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be 
>>>>unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp 
>>>>Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>>>>
>>>>Luke Tonneberger
>>>>Rockford, Michigan
>>>>USA
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 15 08:05:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:05:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
In-Reply-To: <001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051115110308.0ccda760@mail.alltel.net>


>I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting matches
>as he didn't think they were still being made.
>
>Jim

Indeed parlor cracking matches are, now, a bit hard to come by. Any good 
hardware store, however, can supply you with them. Lowes, and Home 
Depot--that's a different story!
         Dave



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 15 17:54:22 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:54:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Match Start
In-Reply-To: <2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <1132106062.437a914e4f9d5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

There's a good illustration on page 32 in Sparks & Flames 
by Crawford MacKeand (ISBN 0-9659066-4-7).  BTW that book 
is probably the most comprehensive set of readable info on
the various starting and ignition systems found on the old 
engines.

BTW has anyone come with any other engines other than the 
Fairbanks that were match start?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting bill at antique-engines.com:

> Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
> mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
> combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
> showing a "cut-away"?
> 
> I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
> the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
> ignition and starting systems.



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Nov 15 20:03:09 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:03:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>
	<002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>


Hi Curt,

During the course of the year, I save up all the limb wood I can (stuff 
smaller than five inches in dia.) and have day of sawing with my
3 HP Fairbanks Morse belted up to my buzz saw and saw up limb wood. Much 
easier to do the small stuff that way than using a chainsaw.
One of my neighbours borrowed my 1951 Allis CA to buzz wood for a couple 
of weeks in the bush. Good for the tractor and neighbour relations.

Duncan

>
>
>  
>
>>A neighbor had a nice red oak taken down and asked if I wanted the tree 
>>since we heat with wood. Most everything was cut in 5' lengths making 
>>sawing with a chain saw less than ideal. So on Saturday morning we fired 
>>up the 8HP Famous buzz saw in an a couple of hours cut it all up. There 
>>were about 2 truck loads of limbs to cut. It took Devin and I the rest 
>>of the day to split and stack the wood.
>>
>>Before starting:
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010102.jpg
>>
>>Finished:
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010104.jpg
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010106.jpg
>>
>>We do this a couple of times a year in addition to using it at shows. 
>>How many others regularly use your old hit and miss engines? Tell us 
>>about it.....
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>    
>>
>
>
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>


-- 
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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 19:53:57 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:53:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all;
 Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza

and hit next for a few more?


Thanks
RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 15 20:46:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:46:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051115234554.0cd7a5c0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:53 PM 11/15/2005, you wrote:
>   Howdy all;
>  Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
>and hit next for a few more?
>Thanks
>RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 15 20:56:32 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:56:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051115234620.0ce29248@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:53 PM 11/15/2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>   Howdy all;
>  Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
>and hit next for a few more?
>Thanks
>RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d

Hi Rick,
         Looks to me as if the Hercules engine must be a model F (late 1921 
to 1923) and the mag is a Webster 1A. All of this is explained in Glenn 
Karsh's book on Hercules built engines.
         Dave
PS, I can sell your friend a copy of Glenn's book for (say) $55.00, or he 
can order one directly from Glenn for about $10.00 plus S&H! 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Nov 16 06:36:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:36:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Match Start
In-Reply-To: <1132106062.437a914e4f9d5@webmail.city-net.com>
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<1132106062.437a914e4f9d5@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4127.165.206.180.102.1132151787.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Thanks - sounds like I need to get a copy of that book!

Bill

> Hi Bill,
>
> There's a good illustration on page 32 in Sparks & Flames
> by Crawford MacKeand (ISBN 0-9659066-4-7).  BTW that book
> is probably the most comprehensive set of readable info on
> the various starting and ignition systems found on the old
> engines.
>
> BTW has anyone come with any other engines other than the
> Fairbanks that were match start?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Quoting bill at antique-engines.com:
>
>> Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
>> mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
>> combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
>> showing a "cut-away"?
>>
>> I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
>> the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
>> ignition and starting systems.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Nov 16 11:29:01 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:29:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>	<002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <437B887D.9080509@imc-group.com>

Duncan Denman wrote:

>
> Hi Curt,
>
> During the course of the year, I save up all the limb wood I can 
> (stuff smaller than five inches in dia.) and have day of sawing with my
> 3 HP Fairbanks Morse belted up to my buzz saw and saw up limb wood. 
> Much easier to do the small stuff that way than using a chainsaw.

Duncan,
And I find it to be much safer and faster too. As you know a 3" limb is 
cut thru in the blink of an eye.
I used to use the 6HP Herc buzz saw for this but then painted it all 
shiny. It's working days are done for a while....at least 'till the 
paint dulls.
Once I got the 8HP Famous going it would be hard to go back to using the 
Herc. There is no comparison. Though the Herc worked well it moved 
around as it is built lighter than the IHC. On the other hand the Famous 
is a rock solid buzz saw. There is no flexing of the saw table or any of 
the parts supporting the belt. It would be interesting to know the 
difference in the original selling prices as there is a real difference 
in the original quality!
Curt


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Nov 16 14:52:59 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:52:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
Message-ID: <01f001c5eb00$9088d0e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

To those of you who knew Charlie Morris, John Burns's buddy.
7 weeks ago,he was smashed into in a head on with a truck that crossed to 
the wrong side.
I am sad to tell you that he lost his fight for life last night.
All of us who knew him have lost a great mate. He will always have a place 
in my thoughts and heart.
Thanks for listening.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov 16 18:10:39 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:10:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>

Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone 
goes home from work?
	Dave



From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 19:20:38 2005
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:20:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051117032038.49083.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

rick, it is a late style webster. i've seen it on herc & stover.  skip

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Howdy all;
Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff? Got me puzzled.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza

and hit next for a few more?


Thanks
RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 21:28:26 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:28:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
References: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051115234620.0ce29248@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV175A8AB127B56C2AD5672DBB5F0@phx.gbl>

Ok great Dave..forgot about Glenn's Book.  I need one also.

Thanks
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "sel" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "HerculesEnginesGroup" 
<HerculesEnginesGroup at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Jeff" <colville at plix.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc mag ?????


> At 10:53 PM 11/15/2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
> >   Howdy all;
> >  Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
> >and hit next for a few more?
> >Thanks
> >RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
>
> Hi Rick,
>          Looks to me as if the Hercules engine must be a model F (late 
> 1921
> to 1923) and the mag is a Webster 1A. All of this is explained in Glenn
> Karsh's book on Hercules built engines.
>          Dave
> PS, I can sell your friend a copy of Glenn's book for (say) $55.00, or he
> can order one directly from Glenn for about $10.00 plus S&H!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 21:29:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:29:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
References: <20051117032038.49083.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9B462F3E0F280797D597DBB5F0@phx.gbl>

Ok..thanks Skip..yea we got it figgered out..It's on the herc website

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Landis" <skipl130 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc mag ?????


> rick, it is a late style webster. i've seen it on herc & stover.  skip
> 
> Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Howdy all;
> Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff? Got me puzzled.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
> 
> and hit next for a few more?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Nov 16 23:46:19 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:46:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003401c5eb4b$030b8b90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>


Regarding the time difference, it always has to be WORKTIME
at your side of the big pond, when I get the most List posts.

John H.


From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
Subject: [SEL] List Activity


> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone 
> goes home from work?
> Dave




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:49:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:49:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511162349i34243502t7dda6a2f8f5136b5@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/17/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone
> goes home from work?
>         Dave
>

Never noticed that, Dave, but we seem to get List traffic in fits and
starts so it is difficult to judge.

I look in on the Lists during the day at work as well as at home, but
find that most traffic comes in overnight.

Been working on-site at a new rail maintenance depot this week so have
had no access to the internet until I got home. Nothing on the Lists
last evening, but half a dozen messages this morning.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Nov 17 03:32:41 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:32:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <437C6A59.8030403@wightman.ca>

You may be right Dave.
Nice to see everyone is so productive at work. ;-)

Duncan


Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after 
> everyone goes home from work?
>     Dave
>
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>


-- 
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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Nov 17 05:57:30 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:57:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1519.165.206.180.102.1132235850.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Dang, he's on to us.........

Someone said that about the car forum I'm on too. The bulk of activity is
day hours, M-F.

Bill

> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone
> goes home from work?
> 	Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Nov 17 07:42:26 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:42:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
In-Reply-To: <01f001c5eb00$9088d0e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <200511171542.jAHFganT077097@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:53 PM
To: oldengine list; List SEL
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris

To those of you who knew Charlie Morris, John Burns's buddy.
7 weeks ago,he was smashed into in a head on with a truck that crossed to 
the wrong side.
I am sad to tell you that he lost his fight for life last night.
All of us who knew him have lost a great mate. He will always have a place 
in my thoughts and heart.
Thanks for listening.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

~~~~~~~~~~~~

We're saddened to hear of the loss of your buddy, Reg.  Whenever a friend
dies, a little bit of us dies with them.  

Best regards,

Orrin







From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov 17 08:12:47 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:12:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
Message-ID: <20051117.111252.1320.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Sorry to hear that - 

I didn't know him but I know John.

Our sympathies are with his family & friends.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 08:12:39 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:12:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2188D5E77025738B68BB3DBB5F0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's almost in 
a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve cage. 
I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to break 
those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom of the 
intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.

  Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by. Reprint 
would well suffice.

  I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor collar on 
the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also decided the 
gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came off and 
decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud was 
used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!

  The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.

  Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom

Regards
RickinMt. 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 09:05:17 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:05:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-220051141717517296@earthlink.net>

The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to the
crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The intake
valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is usually
rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I have an
orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and sent.  I
won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and can't
do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be able to
get out next week so send me your snail mail.

Tim Christoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way update
>
> G'day all;
>   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's almost
in 
> a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve
cage. 
> I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to break 
> those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom of
the 
> intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
>
>   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by. Reprint 
> would well suffice.
>
>   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor collar on 
> the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also decided
the 
> gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came off
and 
> decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud was 
> used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
>
>   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
>
>   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
>
> Regards
> RickinMt. 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 09:23:47 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:23:47 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <a0.3399c4d3.30ae16a3@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/17/2005 11:30:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< only to discover a stud was 
 used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!! >>

Rick,

Don't you just love the repairs made by others!  Guess he used what ever he 
had on hand to get going again!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 09:54:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:54:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-220051141717517296@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17F65FD88A8FCB04DE37C6BB5F0@phx.gbl>

SUPER Tim!!!  I owe ya.

  Rotater cuff..I hope not!!!!

I could always copy it and send you back yours.

And thanks for the info on the valve cage..I can rest easier now.

blabber on :-(

  I'm going to re-use the old rings..interesting there's 5 of them..one 
being way down on the skirt...again my first.  I sandblasted them which I 
really don't recommend but they cleanup so nice that way.  Wrist pin and 
other bearing surfaces will need polished..by the looks of the rod 
throw..she did get hot.

  Babbitt is ok..very lucky to have the two Lunk checkvalves.  Fan blades 
need some serious attention..would like to replace them and solder on a new 
outer ring.  Will run without the sheet metal for now and not work it.

  Interesting is the fact there's no counterweights on the flywheels..again 
my first.

  I think valve guides are a good idea on this puppy..Down the road she's 
gonna need all the help she can get sucking vapor up from that long, 
downward intake tube.

  I hope I can turn it over!!!

Thanks again Tim...ain't this list great..along with the hobby???????

Rick Strobel
6170 Gindale Rd.
East Helena, Mt.
          59635

PS:  No big hurry!!!









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update


> The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to the
> crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The intake
> valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is usually
> rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I have 
> an
> orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and sent. 
> I
> won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and 
> can't
> do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be able 
> to
> get out next week so send me your snail mail.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way update
> >
> > G'day all;
> >   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's almost
> in
> > a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve
> cage.
> > I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to break
> > those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom of
> the
> > intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
> >
> >   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by. Reprint
> > would well suffice.
> >
> >   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor collar 
> > on
> > the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also decided
> the
> > gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came off
> and
> > decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud 
> > was
> > used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
> >
> >   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
> >
> >   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> > Regards
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 
> > 11/16/2005
>
>
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> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 10:13:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <a0.3399c4d3.30ae16a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV18454EEA33B5C67EB70B1EBB5F0@phx.gbl>

Don't you just love the repairs made by others?

  Yes I do Tom..really adds to the fun of it...Sometimes I just grab a 
shimstock and stare at the old iron trying to figure out.."how'd they do 
that?"  For example the heat sinks on the jug of the New Way.  How in the 
hell did they build a pattern for that???  Ah,ha..the cylinder is screwed 
onto a flange...the heat sinks are individual laminates that must have been 
heated and shrunk fit.  Would like to remove them but better leave a 
sleeping dog lay.


  Gosh..I hope I'm not taking the fun out of it for others....mystery is 
half the fun fer me.


later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way update


> In a message dated 11/17/2005 11:30:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << only to discover a stud was
>  used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!! >>
>
> Rick,
>
> !  Guess he used what ever he
> had on hand to get going again!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 10:23:08 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:23:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
In-Reply-To: <200511171542.jAHFganT077097@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F232D96A39990F7604D3189E75F0@phx.gbl>

Our thoughts and prayers are with you and Charlie's family.  Remember that 
he will live on as long as you or someone remembers him in their hearts.

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Charlie Morris
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:42:26 -0800
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:53 PM
>To: oldengine list; List SEL
>Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
>
>To those of you who knew Charlie Morris, John Burns's buddy.
>7 weeks ago,he was smashed into in a head on with a truck that crossed to
>the wrong side.
>I am sad to tell you that he lost his fight for life last night.
>All of us who knew him have lost a great mate. He will always have a place
>in my thoughts and heart.
>Thanks for listening.
>Reg.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>We're saddened to hear of the loss of your buddy, Reg.  Whenever a friend
>dies, a little bit of us dies with them.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Orrin
>
>
>
>
>
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From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Nov 17 18:50:57 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:50:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
In-Reply-To: <000001c5eb2d$bd9fa860$b3fc480c@DeanOffice>
References: <000001c5eb2d$bd9fa860$b3fc480c@DeanOffice>
Message-ID: <200511172150570625.281032BB@heavyiron.atis.net>

A piece of Time Warner's equipment died.   Took me several hours to
recognize it was their equipment since the internal interface passed tests,
but the external interface was bad.  Then it took them until about 9:30pm
last night to fix it.   I apologize for the delay, but I am glad I have
business class service.   This was about the 5th time in the last year I
have had to have round-the-clock attention and a technician working at
night at my house.  Between the cable run, amplifier, and router everything
they own that is on my property has had to be replaced this year.  This and
the hard drive dying has made it a banner year for long outages.

Once again, many apologies...

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Nov 17 20:09:02 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:09:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <437B887D.9080509@imc-group.com>
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>	<002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>	<437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>
	<437B887D.9080509@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <437D53DE.4010703@wightman.ca>

I know what you mean. My buzz saw is anything but shiney. Looks like a 
refugee from a scrap yard. Been through a variety of owners and has been 
modified many times including a 3 point hitch attachment and one guy 
supposedly had a motorcycle engine bolted to the top.
Works okay though and the price was right. I picked up another mandrel 
and bearings from a retired farmer last year so I may build a saw rig 
with an engine on it someday.  I am looking at a 6 HP Type M that a 
friend has for sale so we will see.
I hate cutting limb wood with a chain saw, but I am too cheap to not use 
it. I have a neighbour who turns his nose up to limbwood but heat is heat.

Duncan


Curt wrote:

> Duncan,
> And I find it to be much safer and faster too. As you know a 3" limb 
> is cut thru in the blink of an eye.
> I used to use the 6HP Herc buzz saw for this but then painted it all 
> shiny. It's working days are done for a while....at least 'till the 
> paint dulls.
> Once I got the 8HP Famous going it would be hard to go back to using 
> the Herc. There is no comparison. Though the Herc worked well it moved 
> around as it is built lighter than the IHC. On the other hand the 
> Famous is a rock solid buzz saw. There is no flexing of the saw table 
> or any of the parts supporting the belt. It would be interesting to 
> know the difference in the original selling prices as there is a real 
> difference in the original quality!
> Curt
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>
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 19:15:43 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:15:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-220051151831543906@earthlink.net>

The counter weights are on the crank Rick.  As far as the casting of the
cylinder that one was a bit different.  What they did was to build a core
box and then used cores stacked all the way around to form the cylinder
fins.  So, instead of using a pattern they used cores.  All of my New Ways
have super compression, even the little 1 hp can be a bit to turn over.

Tim.

>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update
>
>
> > The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to
the
> > crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The
intake
> > valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is
usually
> > rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I
have 
> > an
> > orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and
sent. 
> > I
> > won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and 
> > can't
> > do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be
able 
> > to
> > get out next week so send me your snail mail.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] New Way update
> > >
> > > G'day all;
> > >   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's
almost
> > in
> > > a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve
> > cage.
> > > I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to
break
> > > those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom
of
> > the
> > > intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
> > >
> > >   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by.
Reprint
> > > would well suffice.
> > >
> > >   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor
collar 
> > > on
> > > the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also
decided
> > the
> > > gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came
off
> > and
> > > decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud 
> > > was
> > > used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
> > >
> > >   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
> > >
> > >   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > RickinMt.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 
> > > 11/16/2005
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> _______________________________________________
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 18 04:13:51 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:13:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
In-Reply-To: <200511172150570625.281032BB@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F377D1AD1BB948B91C2A308C85E0@phx.gbl>

No need to apoligize Spencer. I appreciate all the behind the scenes work 
you do to keep the SEL going. Thank you!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===========================================

>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: jeremy at antiquepower.com
>Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:50:57 -0500
>
>A piece of Time Warner's equipment died.   Took me several hours to
>recognize it was their equipment since the internal interface passed tests,
>but the external interface was bad.  Then it took them until about 9:30pm
>last night to fix it.   I apologize for the delay, but I am glad I have
>business class service.   This was about the 5th time in the last year I
>have had to have round-the-clock attention and a technician working at
>night at my house.  Between the cable run, amplifier, and router everything
>they own that is on my property has had to be replaced this year.  This and
>the hard drive dying has made it a banner year for long outages.
>
>Once again, many apologies...
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 05:05:50 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:05:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2424F3274BB10DE8AEE61BE75E0@phx.gbl>

Hey Spencer just remember:

Manurith Occurrith

Regards,
Peg


>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:13:51 +0000
>
>No need to apoligize Spencer. I appreciate all the behind the scenes work 
>you do to keep the SEL going. Thank you!
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>===========================================
>
>>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>CC: jeremy at antiquepower.com
>>Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
>>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:50:57 -0500
>>
>>A piece of Time Warner's equipment died.   Took me several hours to
>>recognize it was their equipment since the internal interface passed 
>>tests,
>>but the external interface was bad.  Then it took them until about 9:30pm
>>last night to fix it.   I apologize for the delay, but I am glad I have
>>business class service.   This was about the 5th time in the last year I
>>have had to have round-the-clock attention and a technician working at
>>night at my house.  Between the cable run, amplifier, and router 
>>everything
>>they own that is on my property has had to be replaced this year.  This 
>>and
>>the hard drive dying has made it a banner year for long outages.
>>
>>Once again, many apologies...
>>
>>Spencer Yost
>>Owner, ATIS
>>Plow the Net!
>>http://www.atis.net
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Nov 18 07:30:40 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:30:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
Message-ID: <20051118.103110.576.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Spencer - 

No appologies needed.

You do a great job of keeping the SEL up and active.

Thanks a bunch

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 08:54:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:54:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-220051151831543906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1720FCAE3442F691C488E7BB5E0@phx.gbl>

I don't quite understand what you mean by corebox,,,but they're a bazillion 
things I don't understand <vbg>

  Well yesterday the cs got stripped and blasted, piston and rod 
reassembled..except for a darn 1/2x12 castle nut..that might be fun to find. 
Then I met Kathy down at the local watering hole, did some karokee and came 
home.

  Today I might just take the day off.

Thanks Tim
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way update


> The counter weights are on the crank Rick.  As far as the casting of the
> cylinder that one was a bit different.  What they did was to build a core
> box and then used cores stacked all the way around to form the cylinder
> fins.  So, instead of using a pattern they used cores.  All of my New Ways
> have super compression, even the little 1 hp can be a bit to turn over.
>
> Tim.
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update
> >
> >
> > > The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to
> the
> > > crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The
> intake
> > > valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is
> usually
> > > rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I
> have
> > > an
> > > orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and
> sent.
> > > I
> > > won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and
> > > can't
> > > do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be
> able
> > > to
> > > get out next week so send me your snail mail.
> > >
> > > Tim Christoff
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> > > > Subject: [SEL] New Way update
> > > >
> > > > G'day all;
> > > >   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's
> almost
> > > in
> > > > a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake 
> > > > valve
> > > cage.
> > > > I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to
> break
> > > > those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the 
> > > > bottom
> of
> > > the
> > > > intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
> > > >
> > > >   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by.
> Reprint
> > > > would well suffice.
> > > >
> > > >   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor
> collar
> > > > on
> > > > the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also
> decided
> > > the
> > > > gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came
> off
> > > and
> > > > decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a 
> > > > stud
> > > > was
> > > > used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
> > > >
> > > >   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
> > > >
> > > >   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
> > > >
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > RickinMt.
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 18 17:01:22 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:01:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] GEM Article Curt and Devin
Message-ID: <BAY103-F21C5F0F09B4432F96661E5C8510@phx.gbl>

Curt and Devin,

What a fabulous write up in Decembers GEM!! The first thing I do when I get 
my GEM is flip through all the pages real quick and I couldn't believe what 
I saw. I won't give it away for those that haven't seen it yet, but Wow 
Shirley and I were just thrilled. Brooky said, "hey I know him." 
Congradulations, very nicely done!!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov 19 03:26:35 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:26:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Rally Dates
Message-ID: <20051119112621.OSHT14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I would like to know the dates of the more significant engine rallys in
Europe, the UK, and the USA next year? 
I have an obscene amount of leave owing to me and I am planning a holiday
trip :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 06:16:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:16:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>

  G'day all;
I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea soup 
green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and the 
entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base (believe 
it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone shed 
light on the graphics?

  Re-assembly should start this coming week.

  TIA
RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 06:41:30 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:41:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>

  Anyone need one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7564612402 

RickinMt.


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov 19 08:03:23 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:03:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437F4CCB.2090206@scrtc.com>

Rick,

    Thats a Hercules/Economy gov.  Don't know what size though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



>  Anyone need one?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7564612402 
>
>RickinMt.
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>  
>




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Nov 19 08:05:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:05:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c5ed23$08129140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick,
  I have these codes for you.
Cylinder---unpainted aluminum.
Shroud, flywheels etc---maroon Dulux 93-30420-H.
Base ----Olive green 93-29609-H.

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



>   G'day all;
> I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea soup 
> green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and the 
> entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base (believe 
> it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone shed 
> light on the graphics?
> 
>   Re-assembly should start this coming week.
> 
>   TIA
> RickinMt. 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 08:37:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:37:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<000701c5ed23$08129140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17916BA8583AEAA4824D79BB510@phx.gbl>

Thanks John..yes, those are the Dupont paint codes that I came up with 
also..believe they are old numbers..hope they can still reference them.

  Don't have the sheetmetal yet so will do without for now...but at least 
now I know which parts are which color.

Thanks pard
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code


> Hi Rick,
>   I have these codes for you.
> Cylinder---unpainted aluminum.
> Shroud, flywheels etc---maroon Dulux 93-30420-H.
> Base ----Olive green 93-29609-H.
>
> Take care,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> >   G'day all;
> > I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea 
> > soup
> > green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and 
> > the
> > entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base 
> > (believe
> > it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone 
> > shed
> > light on the graphics?
> >
> >   Re-assembly should start this coming week.
> >
> >   TIA
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 08:38:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:38:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.
References: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>
	<437F4CCB.2090206@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV70BEA6051D23EA17FE0D9BB510@phx.gbl>

yea..an interested bidder would have to ask some questions.

Take Care Tommy
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.


> Rick,
> 
>     Thats a Hercules/Economy gov.  Don't know what size though.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
> 
> 
> 
> >  Anyone need one?
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7564612402 
> >
> >RickinMt.
> >_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 09:50:06 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:50:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
Message-ID: <410-220051161917506250@earthlink.net>

Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of it to
do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn lettering
and pinstripping and flower painting.  There are no decals being made right
now so that is all hand done.  Latter tonight when I have more time I will
list the parts that are red, green and silver.

Tim Christoff.


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/19/2005 8:16:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
>
>   G'day all;
> I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea
soup 
> green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and
the 
> entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base
(believe 
> it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone shed 
> light on the graphics?
>
>   Re-assembly should start this coming week.
>
>   TIA
> RickinMt. 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov 19 10:44:33 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:44:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
Message-ID: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
with translation?
 
We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
is called a wrench.
 
If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
work just about the same as our wrenches.  
 
This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
about a box end or open end wrench?  
 
Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.  
 
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 11:01:28 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:01:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051119190128.47322.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

No...you've got it all wrong.
  We Yanks have wenchs.
  JM :-)

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:  Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
with translation?
 
We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
is called a wrench.
 
If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
work just about the same as our wrenches.  
 
This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
about a box end or open end wrench?  
 
Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.  
 
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 11:18:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:18:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511191118k6d0956d5gc84041ae076b3f9e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/19/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
> with translation?
>
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
> is called a wrench.

We have lots of wenchs here...:-))  "A wench is something that turns
the head of a dolt"

> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.

Spanner = wrench, almost regardless of whether ring or open-ended.

> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
> about a box end or open end wrench?

Shifters are usually 'Stilsons' wrenches over here, adjustable
spanners are smooth jawed, crescent wrenches are what we call pipe
wrenches (but see also Stilsons)  :-))

There was also a 'Footprint' brand pipe wrench (passed by the site of
the old Footprint factory a week or so ago in Sheffield)

> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.

Three nations separated by a common language?

> Rob

--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 11:34:05 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:34:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511191118k6d0956d5gc84041ae076b3f9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051119193405.17965.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

We best cease and desist...pretty soon we are going to get into the realm of "screwing".
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 11/19/05, Rob Skinner  wrote:
> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
> with translation?
>
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
> is called a wrench.

We have lots of wenchs here...:-))  "A wench is something that turns
the head of a dolt"

> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.

Spanner = wrench, almost regardless of whether ring or open-ended.

> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
> about a box end or open end wrench?

Shifters are usually 'Stilsons' wrenches over here, adjustable
spanners are smooth jawed, crescent wrenches are what we call pipe
wrenches (but see also Stilsons)  :-))

There was also a 'Footprint' brand pipe wrench (passed by the site of
the old Footprint factory a week or so ago in Sheffield)

> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.

Three nations separated by a common language?

> Rob

--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Nov 19 13:19:58 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:19:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6f6025160511191118k6d0956d5gc84041ae076b3f9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c5ed4f$003faee0$d285dccb@oemcomputer>

Generally we call all adjustable wrenches shifters and pipe wrenches
Stilsons.All are called spanners as general terminology inc socket ring etc.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:18
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> On 11/19/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who
can help
> > with translation?
> >
> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners
externally
> > is called a wrench.
>
> We have lots of wenchs here...:-))  "A wench is something that turns
> the head of a dolt"
>
> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are
supposed to
> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>
> Spanner = wrench, almost regardless of whether ring or open-ended.
>
> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some
"shifters."
> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws
similar
> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?
Or
> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?
How
> > about a box end or open end wrench?
>
> Shifters are usually 'Stilsons' wrenches over here, adjustable
> spanners are smooth jawed, crescent wrenches are what we call pipe
> wrenches (but see also Stilsons)  :-))
>
> There was also a 'Footprint' brand pipe wrench (passed by the site of
> the old Footprint factory a week or so ago in Sheffield)
>
> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't
want to
> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>
> Three nations separated by a common language?
>
> > Rob
>
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 14:10:27 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:10:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051119190128.47322.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<20051119190128.47322.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511191410x18581ff3u3d450a9b2af02d77@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/19/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> No...you've got it all wrong.
>   We Yanks have wenchs.
>   JM :-)
>

Unfortunately, Jim, we have a few centuries' precedence over the use
of the word...:-))

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov 19 14:18:06 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:18:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <001501c5ed4f$003faee0$d285dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006601c5ed57$1f2b0d60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Generally we call all adjustable wrenches shifters and pipe wrenches
> Stilsons.All are called spanners as general terminology inc 
> socket ring etc.

Thanks Edd!  Now I can walk around talking proper.

Rob





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:39:59 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:39:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511191410x18581ff3u3d450a9b2af02d77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051119223959.83967.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

You have "a few centuries' precendence" over most  everything.  Then, again, Australia features the world's largest  collection of things "venomous"...what's up with that? :-)
  JM
  

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 11/19/05, James Moran  wrote:
> No...you've got it all wrong.
>   We Yanks have wenchs.
>   JM :-)
>

Unfortunately, Jim, we have a few centuries' precedence over the use
of the word...:-))

Peter
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Nov 19 16:36:01 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:36:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: 200046828
Message-ID: <003401c5ed6a$62b03ac0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi Rob
           I worked for an American Company on the International Airport in 
Victoria Aus ( Morrison Knudson ) and it used to amuse me as the Yanks 
called Shifters God Damned Adjustable. You couldn't put it any clearer than 
Ed's explanation Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:44 AM
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can 
> help
> with translation?
>
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners 
> externally
> is called a wrench.
>
> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are 
> supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.
>
> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some 
> "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws 
> similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters? 
> Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter? 
> How
> about a box end or open end wrench?
>
> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want 
> to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Nov 19 17:23:33 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 01:23:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051120012346.30AB424A61F@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Not an Aussie, but us Poms'd call a pipe wrench a Stilson (after the brand
name).  We might even call it a pipe wrench.  Open, ring and box spanners
are all spanners.  Sockets are a special case of box spanner but never
referred to as spanners, always sockets (or possibly socket wrenches) or
socket sets.  An adjustable spanner is exactly that, but sometimes it might
be a King Dick.  Oxy-acetylene cutting gear is usually known as "the gas
axe".  I have heard a propane torch referred to as "the blue spanner".  A
2lb hammer would be a "Birmingham screwdriver".  A 14lb hammer is a
micro-adjuster.  A chain-hoist can be a "come-along".  

On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were often
sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted paint,
a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long weight).


Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
...
(time passes)

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rob Skinner
> Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
> 
> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and 
> American who can help
> with translation?
>  
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning 
> fasteners externally
> is called a wrench.
>  
> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The 
> spanners are supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.  
>  
> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for 
> some "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth 
> parallel jaws similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches 
> called shifters?  Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called 
> a shifter?  How
> about a box end or open end wrench?  
>  
> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the 
> language... don't want to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.  
>  
> Rob
>  
>  
> 
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> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov 19 15:43:30 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:43:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <006601c5ed57$1f2b0d60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <001501c5ed4f$003faee0$d285dccb@oemcomputer>
	<006601c5ed57$1f2b0d60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051119184148.03d09c80@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:18 PM 11/19/2005, you wrote:

> > Generally we call all adjustable wrenches shifters and pipe wrenches
> > Stilsons.All are called spanners as general terminology inc
> > socket ring etc.
>
>Thanks Edd!  Now I can walk around talking proper.
>
>Rob

Yea man, now I's cans walk aroun an talk prop justs lik yu!
         Dave 



From mtucker at uky.edu  Sat Nov 19 17:55:46 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>

Howdy all,

Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!

See ya',
Mike
-- 
____________________
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Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 18:22:04 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:22:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <200046828@tampabay.rr.com> <003401c5ed6a$62b03ac0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <004a01c5ed79$32e28960$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Adjustable wrenches are all Knuckle Busters.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> Hi Rob
>           I worked for an American Company on the International Airport in 
> Victoria Aus ( Morrison Knudson ) and it used to amuse me as the Yanks 
> called Shifters God Damned Adjustable. You couldn't put it any clearer 
> than Ed's explanation Cam
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:44 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>
>
>> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who 
>> can help
>> with translation?
>>
>> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners 
>> externally
>> is called a wrench.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are 
>> supposed to
>> work just about the same as our wrenches.
>>
>> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some 
>> "shifters."
>> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws 
>> similar
>> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters? 
>> Or
>> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter? 
>> How
>> about a box end or open end wrench?
>>
>> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want 
>> to
>> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=
>> Rob Skinner
>> La Habra, California
>> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
>> http://www.rustyiron.com
>>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 18:49:08 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:49:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <20051120024908.65824.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

Beware the buzz saw.
  JM

Michael Tucker <mtucker at uky.edu> wrote:  Howdy all,

Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!

See ya',
Mike
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Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Nov 19 19:18:39 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:18:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <002901c5ed81$1b7bf600$1985dccb@oemcomputer>

Congratulations.That's great.Famous engines run great when set up correct.I
assume it is a hit miss.My 4hp is a throttler and although it is very worn
it runs real good. Nice even beat.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at uky.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:55
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!


> Howdy all,
>
> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!
>
> See ya',
> Mike
> --
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Nov 19 21:31:52 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:31:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
Message-ID: <20051119.213152.1036.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

It was an absolutely beautiful day in Southern California.  Temp. in low
80?s, clear skies, no wind.  WAPA was again asked to display engines at
the annual open house for the Chaffee-Garcia historical house in Etiwanda
CA.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31965914&f=0

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov 19 19:23:15 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:23:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051119221637.03d53320@mail.alltel.net>

Howdy all,
>Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get to 
>this point because of life and waiting on parts but after straightening up 
>the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new intake valve, a 
>re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty head gasket material 
>from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of 
>compression.  I think that it's been a LONG time since she ran but today, 
>using rubber bands on the governor weights, pouring gas into the mixer and 
>a conversation about igniters with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to 
>life!  With a LOT of details to fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she 
>settled in to about 110 rpm and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now 
>the focus will shift to getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life 
>is GREAT!
>See ya',
>Mike

Hi Mike,
         GREAT news! Did you have to change batteries, or did the one you 
were using do the trick? That buzz saw rig shouldn't take more than a few 
days to put in tip top shape. Can we expect to see the unit at Portland 2006?
         Dave
PS, Play with the gasoline adjustment a bit. You should be able to get at 
least 24/30 revs between hits!



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Nov 20 02:23:15 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:23:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <004d01c5edbc$6f0091b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Congrats Mike, new IHC life again in engine land.
Can we expect some nice pics soon?

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Howdy all,
> 
> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!
> 
> See ya',
> Mike
> -- 
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 20 03:05:50 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:05:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
Message-ID: <003c01c5edc2$5f4c4740$4c85dccb@oemcomputer>

I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg Co
Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I can
find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Nov 20 03:10:15 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:10:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051120012346.30AB424A61F@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>


>I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!

left handed screwdriver


>On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were often
>sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted paint,
>a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long weight).
>
>
>Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>...
>(time passes)
>
>      Pete
>--
>Peter Scales
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rob Skinner
> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
> >
> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
> > American who can help
> > with translation?
> >
> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
> > fasteners externally
> > is called a wrench.
> >
> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
> > spanners are supposed to
> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
> >
> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
> > some "shifters."
> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
> > parallel jaws similar
> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
> > called shifters?  Or
> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called
> > a shifter?  How
> > about a box end or open end wrench?
> >
> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
> > language... don't want to
> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > =-=-=-=-=-=
> > Rob Skinner
> > La Habra, California
> > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> > http://www.rustyiron.com
> >
> >
> >
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov 20 03:31:24 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:31:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001601c5edc5$f4ac7410$3e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I was sent to get a 6/8th drill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


>
>>I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!
>
> left handed screwdriver
>
>
>>On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were 
>>often
>>sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted 
>>paint,
>>a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long 
>>weight).
>>
>>
>>Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>>Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>>...
>>(time passes)
>>
>>      Pete
>>--
>>Peter Scales
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
>> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>> >
>> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
>> > American who can help
>> > with translation?
>> >
>> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
>> > fasteners externally
>> > is called a wrench.
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
>> > spanners are supposed to
>> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>> >
>> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
>> > some "shifters."
>> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
>> > parallel jaws similar
>> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
>> > called shifters?  Or
>> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called
>> > a shifter?  How
>> > about a box end or open end wrench?
>> >
>> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
>> > language... don't want to
>> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > =-=-=-=-=-=
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > La Habra, California
>> > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
>> > http://www.rustyiron.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
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>
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> russell at ncable.com.au
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 20 03:49:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:49:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15C27FD504EABCD75B9D3BBB500@phx.gbl>

Congrat's Mike!!! Oh what a feelin'

RickinMt.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at uky.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!


> Howdy all,
> 
> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!
> 
> See ya',
> Mike
> -- 
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 23:41:47 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:41:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
In-Reply-To: <20051119.213152.1036.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051119.213152.1036.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511192341p300457ckc2fae2106d4821e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> It was an absolutely beautiful day in Southern California.  Temp. in low
> 80?s, clear skies, no wind.  WAPA was again asked to display engines at
> the annual open house for the Chaffee-Garcia historical house in Etiwanda
> CA.  Pictures at:
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31965914&f=0
>
> Ron Haskell

Well, we could match the clear skies and no wind, but temperatures
struggled to get above 40 degrees F here, below freezing most nights
this last week and into next.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 20 04:27:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:27:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <410-220051161917506250@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV166E47843BE498471500E6BB500@phx.gbl>

> Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of it 
> to
> do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn lettering



AAArrghh..and I'm the worst freehand painter in the world..but there's light 
at the end of the tunnel.  The cute little neighbor gal doesn't do too bad a 
job with the brush.

MIGHTY FINE DAY YESTERDAY ..after 10 or so heat cycles the intake valve cage 
gave up it's attitude and decided to come out of hiding...but I need valve 
guides and new valves bad.  Exhaust valve tower might have to stay 
in..something about a sleeping dog, ya know?  Say, does the exhaust valve 
seat also come out with the valve guide tower?  Forgot to check on that.

  So no hurry Tim, I'll be awhile getting all the parts machined.  Think 
I'll check with some truck mechanics I know..might get lucky re. the valves.

  Take care and thanks a lot
Rick 


From mtucker at uky.edu  Sun Nov 20 05:10:51 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:10:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051119221637.03d53320@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051119221637.03d53320@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <p06230913bfa62039db57@[139.55.8.48]>

Dave and others,

Thanks for the words of encouragement!  Lincoln and I were very 
excited to hear her sit there and chuff away.

>Did you have to change batteries, or did the one you were using do the trick?

The one that I was using did the trick.  I think a lot of it was 
playing with the gas mixture enough to get it to run although I think 
that the spark was improved some by re-alining the contact points on 
the igniter so they mated up nice and flat.  Before they were only 
touching on a small part of the outer rim.

>That buzz saw rig shouldn't take more than a few days to put in tip top shape.

I hope you have hip waders on to walk through all of the "stuff" 
that's now surrounding your computer :-)!

>Can we expect to see the unit at Portland 2006?

If things go well the rig will be at the SIAM show in June where IHC 
engines will be the feature.

>PS, Play with the gasoline adjustment a bit. You should be able to 
>get at least 24/30 revs between hits!

Yep, for some reason I was having to run it too rich so I've 
definitely got a lot of tweaking to do.  Most of that will probably 
come after I get it mounted on the saw rig and get the fuel pump and 
cooling system hooked up.  That way I can play with the adjustments 
and if it isn't exactly right I can prepare some more shim stock and 
think about it while she sits there and runs "incorrectly." :-)

John, I'll work on getting some pictures out for you to see.

Take care,
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Nov 20 05:13:32 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:13:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <4380767C.7020802@udata.com>

Russell Gilbert wrote:

>
>> I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!
>
>
> left handed screwdriver
>
>
>> On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were 
>> often
>> sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted 
>> paint,
>> a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long 
>> weight).
>>
>>
>> Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>> Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>> ...
>> (time passes)
>>
>>      Pete
>> -- 
>> Peter Scales
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
>> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>> >
>> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
>> > American who can help
>> > with translation?
>> >
>> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
>> > fasteners externally
>> > is called a wrench.
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
>> > spanners are supposed to
>> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>> >
>> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
>> > some "shifters."
>> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
>> > parallel jaws similar
>> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
>> > called shifters? 
>> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
>> > language... don't want to
>> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>>
>
I like the aluminum magnet

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 20 05:39:56 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:39:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
Message-ID: <112020051339.13782.43807CAC00092320000035D621979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Edd,
Interesting find on the engine.  Know of one fellow who used to own one that 
matches your engine description.  Not sure if he still has it or not but will 
try to contact him for you.  He had brought it to small engine show one time 
but could not get it to run so don't much about it other then it was a water 
cooled engine.  Do you have pics to post so we can see what she looks like?
regards,
Curt Andree


> I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
> crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg Co
> Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I can
> find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
> US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> 
> 
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Nov 20 05:48:33 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:48:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
Message-ID: <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>

As French Brothers currently have two young apprentices, these 
suggstions are particularly useful at the moment.
Jim would also add
washer holes
electric paintbrush
bucket of steam
left-handed paintbrush
Don't forget the tannoy calls for Mike Hunt and Bob Staines.
Also, I had a t-shirt for a mainframe company whose slogan was "Norfolk 
and Weigh - it will be done"

Dolly


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Nov 20 06:21:11 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:21:11 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
Message-ID: <20051120142124.322B424A974@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

How about the bottle of spirit-level bubbles?

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C.
> Sent: 20 November 2005 13:14
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
> 
<snip>
> >
> I like the aluminum magnet
> 
> -- 
> 		C-ya
> 
> 		  Leroy Clark




From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Nov 20 06:36:32 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:36:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
	<43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <438089F0.7040305@udata.com>

Jim French wrote:

> As French Brothers currently have two young apprentices, these 
> suggstions are particularly useful at the moment.
> Jim would also add
>  
> left-handed paintbrush

HEY...........  I have them

>
> Also, I had a t-shirt for a mainframe company whose slogan was 
> "Norfolk and Weigh - it will be done"


Bob and Tom info on this one.

How about Delbert Chitzlinger or my pet dog's name of Poopsalot, he is 
of the curb side setter breed

>
> Dolly
>
>


-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 06:50:36 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:50:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
Message-ID: <204.e05dbc3.30b1e73c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/19/2005 8:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
peter at loud-n-clear.net writes:

Pete

<< On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were often
 sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted paint,
 a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long weight). 
>>


How about a box of scribe lines?   

<<Open, ring and box spanners are all spanners.>>

So what is a "ring" versus "box"  spanner?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 06:52:49 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:52:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
Message-ID: <159.5d152c1f.30b1e7c1@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/19/2005 9:23:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mtucker at uky.edu writes:

<< screen cooled 
 Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression. >>


Mike,

I am waiting for parts for my 6 screen Famous and hope to have it back 
together by spring.  Great engines!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Nov 20 06:54:56 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 06:54:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001601c5edc5$f4ac7410$3e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <006101c5ede2$5fa29710$30406e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

A friend of mine once sent a lady off to the stockroom for a fillopian tube. 
She came back with some huge hose and got upset when she finally found out 
what it was.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>
>>I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!
>
> left handed screwdriver
>
>
>>On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were
>>often
>>sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted
>>paint,
>>a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long
>>weight).
>>
>>
>>Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>>Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>>...
>>(time passes)
>>
>>      Pete
>>--
>>Peter Scales
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
>> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>> >
>> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
>> > American who can help
>> > with translation?
>> >
>> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
>> > fasteners externally
>> > is called a wrench.
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
>> > spanners are supposed to
>> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>> >
>> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
>> > some "shifters."
>> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
>> > parallel jaws similar
>> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
>> > called shifters?  Or
>> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called
>> > a shifter?  How
>> > about a box end or open end wrench?
>> >
>> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
>> > language... don't want to
>> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > =-=-=-=-=-=
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > La Habra, California
>> > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
>> > http://www.rustyiron.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 20 07:49:02 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:49:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <204.e05dbc3.30b1e73c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051120154902.69380.qmail@web25510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

A ring spanner is circular and flat at each end, and a box spanner is a tube with nut flats at one
end and a hole for a tommy bar at t'other.

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


--- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:


> 
> <<Open, ring and box spanners are all spanners.>>
> 
> So what is a "ring" versus "box"  spanner?


		
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 07:47:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:47:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511201042220.33332@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

AWESOME NEWS!!  Congrats!

BTW, you need to plan to attend Cotton Ginning Days with that buzz saw
rig.  Curt Holland is working to make this the "must attend" event for
wood cutters (buzz saws, drag saws, etc.)  They already have a lot of wood
cutters attending and are getting more each year.  AND they provide lovely
cedar and poplar logs in all sizes so you can work your toys without
having to bring your own logs.  What a sweet deal!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - They also have large crowds of appreciative spectators.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Michael Tucker wrote:

> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Nov 20 09:06:52 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:06:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
Message-ID: <20051120.090653.1536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Peter.  I was just off by a little on the temperature yesterday.  Here
in Riverside ( about 20 miles from the show) it was 91?F .

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> Well, we could match the clear skies and no wind, but temperatures
> struggled to get above 40 degrees F here, below freezing most nights
> this last week and into next.
> 
> Peter


From MBellar at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 09:15:39 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:15:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
Message-ID: <9.50c7e2b3.30b2093b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/19/2005 9:23:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mtucker at uky.edu writes:

using  rubber bands on the governor 
weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a  conversation about igniters 
with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to  life!  


Mike;
I know the feeling. As you get a restoration near completion you just gota  
hear it "cha-kuff" for the first time in who knows how many years. I got my 
Geo.  Miller/Waterloo, exactly like the one that just sold on e-bay, to run using 
a  lot of bailing wire and duct tape. It now has a JB weld sleeve, a rubber  
o-ring lower piston ring and a modified mixer. She runs like a champ on the  
first or second pull. Sure wish I knew what color it was in it's prime.
 
Tom Bellar


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 10:08:40 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
Message-ID: <410-220051102018840984@earthlink.net>

Don't forget a carpenters long time favorite - The good old Board Stretcher

Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/20/2005 9:42:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>
> I was sent to get a 6/8th drill





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov 20 11:00:13 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:00:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com> <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00394dabb657dcd95726733750b9583a@chartertn.net>

Anybody got a nice adjustable wench?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 11:07:42 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:07:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
In-Reply-To: <20051120.090653.1536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051120.090653.1536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511201107l69c5938fk6d2154e3e64b2589@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter.  I was just off by a little on the temperature yesterday.  Here
> in Riverside ( about 20 miles from the show) it was 91?F .
>
> Ron Haskell

Sounds like heaven! :-))

Off out to feed the hosses shortly, it's well below freezing outside now.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 11:12:14 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:12:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Collection from Glen Lyon, PA anyone?
Message-ID: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking at something in a little place called Glen Lyon in
Pennsylvania, it's a bit heavy but not an engine :-))  It's a
controller for a CNC machine that we have, and while the price is VERY
reasonable, carriage to almost anywhere is going to be relatively
expensive.

Is there anyone within striking distance on either of the Lists?

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 11:08:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:08:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Collection from Glen Lyon, PA anyone?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511201405550.33332@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

That's up in the north-east corner of the state;
between Shickshinny and Nanticoke.  8-))
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&1ahXX=&address=&city=Glen+Lyon&state=PA&zipcode=

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Listerdiesel wrote:

> We are looking at something in a little place called Glen Lyon in
> Pennsylvania, it's a bit heavy but not an engine :-))  It's a
> controller for a CNC machine that we have, and while the price is VERY
> reasonable, carriage to almost anywhere is going to be relatively
> expensive.
>
> Is there anyone within striking distance on either of the Lists?


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sun Nov 20 11:46:51 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:46:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com> <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
	<00394dabb657dcd95726733750b9583a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c5ee0b$275526b0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Here is a nice one and cheep too. e-bay # 6226526688

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> Anybody got a nice adjustable wench?
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 11:47:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:47:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <00394dabb657dcd95726733750b9583a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051120194709.92092.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

JC-
  Hey!  The "wench" pun was MINE! ;-)
  JM

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Anybody got a nice adjustable wench?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Nov 20 12:04:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:04:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps
Message-ID: <044501c5ee0d$f61983e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I received this and thought it should be passed on.
(I still dont have the eight flywheels I paid for last March)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
To: Reg Ingold 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: Bromps


Hello Reg,

 The Department of Justice, Oregon has contacted Bromps about his cheating customers, so now all I can do is wait. I have not got back to model building in the shop yet. I should be back in the shop before long. Got so many projects, don't know what to start on first. It always takes awhile to get back in the groove. I will let you know what develops with Bromps. Let me know if you ever get all your castings from Bromps.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov 20 12:05:54 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:05:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051120194709.92092.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051120194709.92092.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <072d452dcae7d36b2d7f15d173d9073a@chartertn.net>

It goes around and comes around periodically. :-)

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:47 PM, James Moran wrote:

> JC-
>   Hey!  The "wench" pun was MINE! ;-)
>   JM
>
> John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Anybody got a nice 
> adjustable wench?
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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>
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>

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Nov 20 12:51:16 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:51:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au><4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
	<43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <048f01c5ee14$29ca5650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Metric shifter?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 13:19:57 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:19:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <072d452dcae7d36b2d7f15d173d9073a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051120211957.62158.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

You, of course, know the difference between a sewing machine and a female jogger?
  

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  It goes around and comes around periodically. :-)

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:47 PM, James Moran wrote:

> JC-
>   Hey!  The "wench" pun was MINE! ;-)
>   JM
>
> John Culp  wrote:  Anybody got a nice 
> adjustable wench?
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov 20 13:40:12 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:40:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051120211957.62158.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051120211957.62158.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82857e6cb07eee46db3169ef56a0e7b0@chartertn.net>

The sewing machine's only got one bobbin.

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, James Moran wrote:

> You, of course, know the difference between a sewing machine and a 
> female jogger?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 20 13:58:35 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:58:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
References: <112020051339.13782.43807CAC00092320000035D621979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001101c5ee1d$8f7e2b80$2584dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Curt.Thanks for the reply.I don't have it home as yet but will get some
pics when I can.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [SEL] Thompson


> Hi Edd,
> Interesting find on the engine.  Know of one fellow who used to own one
that
> matches your engine description.  Not sure if he still has it or not but
will
> try to contact him for you.  He had brought it to small engine show one
time
> but could not get it to run so don't much about it other then it was a
water
> cooled engine.  Do you have pics to post so we can see what she looks
like?
> regards,
> Curt Andree
>
>
> > I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
> > crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg
Co
> > Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I
can
> > find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
> > US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >
> >
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 20 13:56:33 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:56:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
In-Reply-To: <003c01c5edc2$5f4c4740$4c85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F3CD489F019F10AB9D67FDBA500@phx.gbl>

Hi Edd,there is an article in one of my copies of gem,if you like i will 
chase it up and scan a copy for you,David


>From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Thompson
>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:05:50 +1100
>
>I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
>crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg Co
>Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I can
>find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
>US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 14:11:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:11:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <82857e6cb07eee46db3169ef56a0e7b0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051120221101.8662.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Excellent!  Now, do we want to do the pygmies -v- the girls cross country team thing? :-)
  JM

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  The sewing machine's only got one bobbin.

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, James Moran wrote:

> You, of course, know the difference between a sewing machine and a 
> female jogger?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 20 21:26:28 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:26:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
References: <BAY14-F3CD489F019F10AB9D67FDBA500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ee5c$215a5fe0$3b84dccb@oemcomputer>

That would be good.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:56
Subject: RE: [SEL] Thompson


> Hi Edd,there is an article in one of my copies of gem,if you like i will
> chase it up and scan a copy for you,David
>
>
> >From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: [SEL] Thompson
> >Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:05:50 +1100
> >
> >I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
> >crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg
Co
> >Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I
can
> >find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
> >US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> >EDD PAYNE
> >PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >0263742387
> >edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >
> >
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>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov 21 03:44:14 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:44:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] tiger 2
Message-ID: <004e01c5ee90$e6beea60$df85dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi.In a Gas engine mag in 1989 there was a story about a 6 hp Thompson
Tiger.The guy who had it is Bart C Cushing of New Hampshire.Does any one
know of him or if he is still about in the Hobby.There is a postal address
but don't want to write just on spek.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Nov 21 06:39:36 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:39:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
Message-ID: <000301c5eead$ba88af40$52b3123f@oemcomputer>

Hi to all,

I am working to identify the existing Kewanee engines, get the type and
serial number info, find copies of literature and then try to sort it all
out and write up story on the whole thing.  If you have Kewanee engines or
info or know someone who does, please let me know so I can contact them.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 07:27:10 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:27:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo cyl.
Message-ID: <20051121152722.08AD024B073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Good morning. I purchased a 6 horse novo cylinder from a gentleman in Butler
Pa. He doesn't want to ship it and I know it's late in the season, but is
anyone going by there who can pick it up so I can starts it's journey
towards California.. Butler is a little south-east of I 80/ I79 interchange.
He is willing to store it for a while so maybe in the spring time would
work. Thanks  ,Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato, Ca.  415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 21 08:20:41 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:20:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
In-Reply-To: <000301c5eead$ba88af40$52b3123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F15BBE444A5F696FD1AA651C8530@phx.gbl>

Hi Glenn,

Are you looking for the Kewanee pumping engines

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04-21.jpg

or are you looking for the type you had at Portland this year?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port05/port54.html

or both?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=================

>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>
>Hi to all,
>
>I am working to identify the existing Kewanee engines, get the type and
>serial number info, find copies of literature and then try to sort it all
>out and write up story on the whole thing.  If you have Kewanee engines or
>info or know someone who does, please let me know so I can contact them.
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 11:39:03 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:39:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Collection from Glen Lyon, PA anyone?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511211139m4eb6a096m2e68bf85a37f38a0@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> We are looking at something in a little place called Glen Lyon in
> Pennsylvania, it's a bit heavy but not an engine :-))

All sorted now, thanks to those who replied.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Nov 21 12:40:06 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:40:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
References: <BAY103-F15BBE444A5F696FD1AA651C8530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006301c5eedb$c4b26000$e6e6123f@oemcomputer>

Luke,

I am looking for info on both kinds.  Serial numbers, literature, etc.  The
red one pictured is a number 19 pumping unit.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Kewanee engines


> Hi Glenn,
>
> Are you looking for the Kewanee pumping engines
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04-21.jpg
>
> or are you looking for the type you had at Portland this year?
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port05/port54.html
>
> or both?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> =================
>
> >From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
> >
> >Hi to all,
> >
> >I am working to identify the existing Kewanee engines, get the type and
> >serial number info, find copies of literature and then try to sort it all
> >out and write up story on the whole thing.  If you have Kewanee engines
or
> >info or know someone who does, please let me know so I can contact them.
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >Glenn Karch
> >Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >Hercules Historian
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 21 15:16:51 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:16:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cyl.
In-Reply-To: <20051121152722.08AD024B073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20051121152722.08AD024B073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051121181449.048cfd40@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jim,
         I'm about 45 miles from Butler. I can pick it up and hold it here 
at my place until you figure out how to move it west. let me know what you 
wish me to do.
         Dave

At 10:27 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
>Good morning. I purchased a 6 horse novo cylinder from a gentleman in Butler
>Pa. He doesn't want to ship it and I know it's late in the season, but is
>anyone going by there who can pick it up so I can starts it's journey
>towards California.. Butler is a little south-east of I 80/ I79 interchange.
>He is willing to store it for a while so maybe in the spring time would
>work. Thanks  ,Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato, Ca.  415 892 0236
>Jim O'Hagan



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Nov 22 03:37:48 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:37:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
Message-ID: <030a01c5ef59$31153b50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have just had mail from Brad Smith.
<<
Reg:

I believe this is the guy who is telling people that "Brad Smith from 
Franklin, WI" is going to buy him out.  I have in no way contacted the man 
and I have no intention of buying him out.  I have no idea where he got that 
idea.  I have gotten calls from model builders concerning this.

Brad Smith >>

As you can see, I am trying to get what I paid for from a cheating, liar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 22 04:09:58 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:09:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
In-Reply-To: <006301c5eedb$c4b26000$e6e6123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23CD5F59336CD18E0884D2C8520@phx.gbl>

Glenn,

There are six pictures of that engine in the middle of this page. Including 
the tag with serial number

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>
>Luke,
>
>I am looking for info on both kinds.  Serial numbers, literature, etc.  The
>red one pictured is a number 19 pumping unit.
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 22 06:17:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:17:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. to 
clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia. 
reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I do 
it by hand?

  I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.

  I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)


  Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets 
each...not too bad IMO.

  TIA
RickinMt.


 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Nov 22 06:47:55 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:47:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ef73$bc9e0fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick,
  I wouldn't do it by hand, when it a little sticks you get
an egg shape before you know it cause your strong arms.
Span it on the drillpress table and use the spindle as a guide
and turn it by hand.

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Howdy all;
>   I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. to 
> clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia. 
> reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I do 
> it by hand?
> 
>   I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.
> 
>   I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)
> 
> 
>   Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets 
> each...not too bad IMO.
> 
>   TIA
> RickinMt.
> 
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Nov 22 07:09:20 2005
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:09:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Email Address
Message-ID: <p06210208bfa8e49880ad@[128.163.81.76]>

Howdy all,

I'm changing my email address over to <oldironnut at alltel.net>.  So 
please update your address books.

Take care,
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
oldironnut at alltel.net
____________________


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 22 07:59:26 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:59:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
	<000b01c5ef73$bc9e0fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2189CB9D8FFF019B2D84B9BB520@phx.gbl>

Ok John gotcha...makes sense to me. Now the reamers I've seen have a square 
drive end much like a tap, with countersunk indexing hole.  I could orient 
the valve guide to the drill press, put a handle on the reamer, Install a 
pointed gizmo thing in the drill chuck and bring the pointed gizmo down into 
the indexing hole on the reamer.  This will orient the reamer straight up 
and down and keep it from cocking.

  This is where a third hand would be handy, eh?

  Do I use cutting oil with a reamer doing cast?  Been told not to use 
cutting oil when threading cast with taps/dies?

Thanks pard
Rick







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower


> Hi Rick,
>   I wouldn't do it by hand, when it a little sticks you get
> an egg shape before you know it cause your strong arms.
> Span it on the drillpress table and use the spindle as a guide
> and turn it by hand.
>
> Take care,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> > Howdy all;
> >   I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. 
> > to
> > clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia.
> > reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I 
> > do
> > it by hand?
> >
> >   I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.
> >
> >   I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)
> >
> >
> >   Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets
> > each...not too bad IMO.
> >
> >   TIA
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Nov 22 09:33:19 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:33:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl><000b01c5ef73$bc9e0fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<BAY109-DAV2189CB9D8FFF019B2D84B9BB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c5ef8a$d873f310$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Rick why not the reamer straight in the drill chuck, than you don't need
that pointed gizmo.
Take the V-belt off of the drillpress and turn the spindle by hand at the
pulley or some gizmo through the morse-cone hole.
Don't use any liquid, only blow some compressed air in the work, so
the guide keeps clean inside.

John H.



> Ok John gotcha...makes sense to me. Now the reamers I've seen have a square 
> drive end much like a tap, with countersunk indexing hole.  I could orient 
> the valve guide to the drill press, put a handle on the reamer, Install a 
> pointed gizmo thing in the drill chuck and bring the pointed gizmo down into 
> the indexing hole on the reamer.  This will orient the reamer straight up 
> and down and keep it from cocking.
> 
>   This is where a third hand would be handy, eh?
> 
>   Do I use cutting oil with a reamer doing cast?  Been told not to use 
> cutting oil when threading cast with taps/dies?
> 
> Thanks pard
> Rick




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 22 10:18:43 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:18:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43836103.3090400@imc-group.com>

Rick,
I just went out and surfed your New Way pictures again and see that the 
exhaust valve is directly under the intake valve. Understand I haven't 
fixed up Missy's New Way yet so I have no New Way experience to draw on. 
But the Baker Monitor is configured similarly, just reversed. On the BM 
the exhaust valve cage comes out and the intake is built into the head. 
My point is that when they were building your engine they likely 
machined the intake valve cage fit, reamed the exhaust valve stem, and 
cut the exhaust valve seat all in one set up. Therefore, to keep 
everything on center and aligned,  how about making a guide that fits in 
the intake cage cavity that will precisely guide the reamer you will be 
using to clean up the exhaust guide.
When I did Devin's engine I made a guide of brass that had a 45? taper 
on one end that wedged into the valve seat. The OD was also made to 
square up perfectly in the valve cage bore. I turned and reamed the 
brass guide in one setup so everything was dead concentric. I reamed the 
brass guide to assure a barely slip fit on the shank of the reamers. 
This kept the reamers running true. I had to open the guide up in 3 
steps with reamers to get 100% cleanup. All in all it took .062 increase 
in size. So what were 5/16" shanks on the valves are now 3/8".
Here is a picture of the fixture to guide the reamer:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Intake2.jpg>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Intake5.jpg>
and in use:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Intake1.jpg>

It would be a bad day to ream the guide in an unguided condition only to 
find out that the stem is no where near centered on the valve seat 
anymore. That could mean removing huge amount of material to bring the 
seat back in alignment with the stem bore.

I found I spend way more time making the tools to do the repairs than on 
anything else. But the end result is well worth the trouble when you 
have a purring engine to listen to.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



Richard Strobel wrote:

>Howdy all;
>  I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. to 
>clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia. 
>reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I do 
>it by hand?
>
>  I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.
>
>  I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)
>
>
>  Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets 
>each...not too bad IMO.
>
>  TIA
>RickinMt.
>
>
> 
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 10:38:14 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:38:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2189CB9D8FFF019B2D84B9BB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051122183814.70496.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Rick

'Hand' reamers - the ones with the square for the handle have a taper lead in.  'Machine' reamers
are parallel without the lead in.

Use a hand reamer in your drill press.  Hold the reamer in the drill chuck, turn the chuck with
one hand and feed in with the other as the reamer cuts.

Reamers are designed for only cutting a few thou.  If you are going to remove significant amounts
of metal, use the nearest smaller drill first.

Do not use cutting oil on cast iron.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

> Ok John gotcha...makes sense to me. Now the reamers I've seen have a square 
> drive end much like a tap, with countersunk indexing hole.  I could orient 
> the valve guide to the drill press, put a handle on the reamer, Install a 
> pointed gizmo thing in the drill chuck and bring the pointed gizmo down into 
> the indexing hole on the reamer.  This will orient the reamer straight up 
> and down and keep it from cocking.


		
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Nov 22 18:24:17 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:24:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Junk
Message-ID: <20051123022411.GKLA24868.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I brought this home on the weekend. My parents found it in an antique shop
and the price was right. It seems pretty complete:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122007.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122008.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122009.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122010.JPG


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue Nov 22 18:46:37 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:46:37 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Z Style C question
Message-ID: <20051122.184641.25943.19447@webmail39.lax.untd.com>

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 22 19:15:49 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:15:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <20051122183814.70496.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01da01c5efdc$3559fa60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Here's another reaming tip.  

Say you've just finished reaming a hole and it's an RCH smaller than you really
need.  The next sized reamer is WAY too big.  Whucha gonna do?

Take a small strip of paper -- thin rolling papers are best.  Put it along one
flute of the reamer, and carefully feed the reamer back into the hole while
turning by hand.  The paper pushes the reamer over very slightly, and you end up
with a larger hole.  

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 22 19:22:52 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:22:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
Message-ID: <410-220051132332252796@earthlink.net>

I will try to get the manual in the mail this weekend Rick.

Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/20/2005 6:27:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
>
> > Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of
it 
> > to
> > do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn
lettering
>
>
>
> AAArrghh..and I'm the worst freehand painter in the world..but there's
light 
> at the end of the tunnel.  The cute little neighbor gal doesn't do too
bad a 
> job with the brush.
>
> MIGHTY FINE DAY YESTERDAY ..after 10 or so heat cycles the intake valve
cage 
> gave up it's attitude and decided to come out of hiding...but I need
valve 
> guides and new valves bad.  Exhaust valve tower might have to stay 
> in..something about a sleeping dog, ya know?  Say, does the exhaust valve 
> seat also come out with the valve guide tower?  Forgot to check on that.
>
>   So no hurry Tim, I'll be awhile getting all the parts machined.  Think 
> I'll check with some truck mechanics I know..might get lucky re. the
valves.
>
>   Take care and thanks a lot
> Rick 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 22 19:43:37 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:43:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <01da01c5efdc$3559fa60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <20051122183814.70496.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<01da01c5efdc$3559fa60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051122224157.04a147a8@mail.alltel.net>

That's fine for you guys in KA, but I live in PA. What should I use if no 
one in my neighborhood smokes dope?
         Dave

At 10:15 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:
>Here's another reaming tip.
>Say you've just finished reaming a hole and it's an RCH smaller than you 
>really
>need.  The next sized reamer is WAY too big.  Whucha gonna do?
>Take a small strip of paper -- thin rolling papers are best.  Put it along one
>flute of the reamer, and carefully feed the reamer back into the hole while
>turning by hand.  The paper pushes the reamer over very slightly, and you 
>end up
>with a larger hole.
>Rob Skinner



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 22 20:09:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:09:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <410-220051132332252796@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1131759FBD6B3510EBECCFBB550@phx.gbl>

You get that shoulder healed up first...I can wait.


Thanx pard
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code


> I will try to get the manual in the mail this weekend Rick.
>
> Tim
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 11/20/2005 6:27:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
> >
> > > Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of
> it
> > > to
> > > do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn
> lettering
> >
> >
> >
> > AAArrghh..and I'm the worst freehand painter in the world..but there's
> light
> > at the end of the tunnel.  The cute little neighbor gal doesn't do too
> bad a
> > job with the brush.
> >
> > MIGHTY FINE DAY YESTERDAY ..after 10 or so heat cycles the intake valve
> cage
> > gave up it's attitude and decided to come out of hiding...but I need
> valve
> > guides and new valves bad.  Exhaust valve tower might have to stay
> > in..something about a sleeping dog, ya know?  Say, does the exhaust 
> > valve
> > seat also come out with the valve guide tower?  Forgot to check on that.
> >
> >   So no hurry Tim, I'll be awhile getting all the parts machined.  Think
> > I'll check with some truck mechanics I know..might get lucky re. the
> valves.
> >
> >   Take care and thanks a lot
> > Rick
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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> > No virus found in this incoming message.
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> > 11/20/2005
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 23 01:17:10 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:17:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Junk
In-Reply-To: <20051123022411.GKLA24868.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F187F71BE907CF67C889129BA550@phx.gbl>

Hi Patrick,your piece of so called junk looks to be 100% complete,this one 
is roughly a 1940"s-50's model separator.Jeff Holly would be the person to 
contact inregard to this items.Dave


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] More Junk
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:24:17 +1100
>
>I brought this home on the weekend. My parents found it in an antique shop
>and the price was right. It seems pretty complete:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122007.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122008.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122009.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122010.JPG
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 23 06:17:02 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:17:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Junk
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F187F71BE907CF67C889129BA550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051123141654.BSWJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Thanks Dave. It seems in pretty good condition. I think there may be
something missing off the spinning thing that goes in the middle (sitting
next to the separator in the pics).
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----

Hi Patrick,your piece of so called junk looks to be 100% complete,this one 
is roughly a 1940"s-50's model separator.Jeff Holly would be the person to 
contact inregard to this items.Dave


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
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>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,

>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] More Junk
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:24:17 +1100
>
>I brought this home on the weekend. My parents found it in an antique shop
>and the price was right. It seems pretty complete:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122007.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122008.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122009.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122010.JPG
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 09:07:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:07:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy driven logsplitter
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11FE67A326223473F319C0BB550@phx.gbl>

  Thought ya'll might like to see this neat project.  Mr. Barnes mentioned 
to his dad several years ago that a log splitter would be nice.  Dad 
said..I'll build ya one.

  It turns over very nice..3hp I believe.  Not much resistance felt due to 
the pump control valve being in the center position.  Says it splits slow, 
but gets the job done.

Click here and hit next for more pix's


http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505431225NkSQOa


later,
RickinMt.
PS:  Marv..I'll send them to ya off list 


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 23 16:25:47 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:25:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Famous words....
Message-ID: <BAY108-F95EE3B1DD079BF3FCFC8B95540@phx.gbl>

Now Curt, You know what Dr Dave sez...... They ain't making no more old 
iron, but they're still making wives!   So my theory is .....Always be in a 
position where you can play with new iron and definitely be in a position 
where you can play with potential new wives!  Even if you can't really 
afford either one!  Somehow the 4hp IHC sawrig followed me home again Sunday 
so I would love to bring it to Evansville next June. Look for me there!  
Steve


>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>To: Michael Tucker <oldironnut at alltel.net>
>CC: Steve Royster <steve at bassandroyster.com>,        Steve Royster 
><steve_royster at hotmail.com>,        "Mike Royster (work)" 
><roysteroil at carolina.rr.com>,        Missy Holland <mholland at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: Famous words....
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:22:04 -0500
>
>Michael Tucker wrote:
>
>>>Oh, we need to get Steve Royster to bring the 4HP Famous tilting table 
>>>saw rig to Evansville for the IHC event next June too.
>>
>>
>>Did Steve talk Bill out of that rig again?
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>PS.  Steve,  could you pass along to Bill that my Osborne/Famous is now 
>>among the running?
>
>Mike,
>
>Oh I think Bill and Steve are so tight that there is a grey line between 
>who owns what when. Ya know....what is yours is mine and vice 
>versa.....kind of like marriage. Hell it is better than marriage. Bill is 
>on his second wife and Steve.....is it three he's gotten rid of?? I think 
>they've been doing the engine thing longer than either of them have been 
>married. They even room together when on those long road trips. Makes one 
>wonder.....
>So not to worry, so long as Steve is taking loving care of Bill the weeks 
>before SIAM, I'd bet Steve could bring that Famous to set with all the 
>others that will be there.  :-)
>Curt
>
>P.S. While I am sure Steve will be happy to pass along the news of you 
>Osborn, you can always send Bill note and a picture via email. His addy is:
>wtbirdsr at charter.net
>
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 21:08:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:08:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20051124.001353.820.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.

From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Nov 24 06:54:11 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:54:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20051124.001353.820.8.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>

Back at you Joe and every one else on the list.
R  Fink
PA



At 12:08 AM 11/24/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>  \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
>  (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 08:05:39 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:05:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Rita is gone but not forgotten
Message-ID: <1ec.46db4793.30b73ed3@aol.com>

Bo,

Hope this finds things better there and getting back to a reasonable normal 
way of life.  Millie's family will come here for lunch and spend the afternoon. 
 Maybe 10-13 depending on who shows up. We will be a little light due to some 
not in town or cannot make it for other reasons, but will have a good time 
nevertheless as it is a nice sunny 60 deg day but headed for the 20's tonight 
and middle 30's tomorrow.

Just wanted to say hello and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 24 14:03:15 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:03:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>

  Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.


  Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?


http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi


  Regards,
RickinMt.


From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 24 14:40:20 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:40:20 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051124143610.02633d20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

At 02:03 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
>   Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.
>
>
>   Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?

Rick, I don't know specifically about the New Way but it was not unusual to 
have a fixed fuel jet and an adjustable air shutter to set the mixture.  My 
brother has a 3 hp. Ruston and Hornsby with this setup.

Larry



>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
>
>
>   Regards,
>RickinMt.
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Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 24 14:46:23 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:46:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
Message-ID: <410-220051142422462362@earthlink.net>

cause there is no needle valve.  The air fuel mixture is controlled by the
choke lever.   There is a set screw that you adjust to control the amount
of air that enters the mixer.

Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/24/2005 4:03:21 PM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
>
>   Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.
>
>
>   Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?
>
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
>
>
>   Regards,
> RickinMt.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov 24 14:51:20 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 06:51:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c5f149$9aa30a10$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Not a good time for Turkey's
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject)


> Back at you Joe and every one else on the list.
> R  Fink
> PA
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:08 AM 11/24/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>>
>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>  ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>  \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
>>  (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
>>_______________________________________________
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> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov 24 15:00:32 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:00:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
Message-ID: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have 
reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill slide 
, more water coming out than oil.
If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We 
have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy 
supplies .
An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a 
new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being used 
is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for the 
use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to 
export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 24 16:26:06 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:26:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
References: <410-220051142422462362@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15CD43FC85956ECD459FB8BB570@phx.gbl>

Ok thanks guys.  Will try to fabricate one.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped


> cause there is no needle valve.  The air fuel mixture is controlled by the
> choke lever.   There is a set screw that you adjust to control the amount
> of air that enters the mixer.
>
> Tim
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 11/24/2005 4:03:21 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
> >
> >   Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.
> >
> >
> >   Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?
> >
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
> >
> >
> >   Regards,
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Nov 24 15:24:44 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:24:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Shaft Engine?
Message-ID: <e846048b493d648aeb277326cb7b921a@chartertn.net>

While reading one of Leroy's posts about building models just now, 
something he said got me thinking (which is always dangerous.) He 
mentioned something about planning to build an inverted horizontal 
engine, which got me wondering what he meant, because it seems that an 
inverted horizontal engine is still a horizontal engine. (I'm thinking 
he meant an inverted vertical engine.) But then I got to thinking about 
a horizontal one rolled over 90 degrees, with the cylinder horizontal 
and the crankshaft vertical. The flywheels would rotate in the 
horizontal plane. Like a vertical shaft lawnmower engine. Were any old 
stationary engines built on that pattern?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Thu Nov 24 17:05:04 2005
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:05:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
References: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005b01c5f15c$45303680$6401a8c0@office>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>  Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?

It's no good. Throw it away & get a Galloway. I hear they're pretty 
good........  ;-) 




From oldengin at udata.com  Thu Nov 24 17:21:18 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (oldengin at udata.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:21:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Shaft Engine?
Message-ID: <38485a67ca0248929d5702927aeed45d.oldengin@udata.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: John Culp [mailto:johnculp at chartertn.net]
Sent: 11/24/2005 6:24:44 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Shaft Engine?

> While reading one of Leroy's posts about building models just now, 
> something he said got me thinking (which is always dangerous.) He 
> mentioned something about planning to build an inverted horizontal 
> engine, which got me wondering what he meant, because it seems that an 
> inverted horizontal engine is still a horizontal engine. (I'm thinking 
> he meant an inverted vertical engine.) But then I got to thinking about 
> a horizontal one rolled over 90 degrees,> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA


John, turn it another 90 degrees and keep the flywheels where they are? you are close....  Leroy




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 24 18:05:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:05:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
References: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
	<005b01c5f15c$45303680$6401a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15A2578A982584CFAADF9BB570@phx.gbl>

Hi John..still need to call the guy on the Masterpiece. 6hp. I beleive..with 
the dual fuel mixer.

Thankx for reminding me

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >  Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?
>
> It's no good. Throw it away & get a Galloway. I hear they're pretty
> good........  ;-)
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Nov 25 01:51:12 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:51:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wheels
Message-ID: <02bd01c5f1a5$c7daf2c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have just been informed that, despite your previous mail, you HAVE NOT 
EVER sent the wheels you owe me.
I have also been informed that you DO HAVE THEM, and intend to send them 
"SOON"!!
Please dispatch them ASAP AND, EMAIL ME a copy of the postal receipt.
The sooner you do this, the sooner you will have me off your back.
I will never have any further dealings with you when this is over.
As you now know, all this is being shared with the whole of the engine and 
model fraternity.
You surely must realise that the longer this goes on, the more your 
reputation is damaged.
I await some sort of reply from you.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Nov 25 07:16:12 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:16:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5f149$9aa30a10$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051125071518.01bb8cc0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Your right Peter but all must die some day.
R Fink


At 06:51 AM 11/25/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>Not a good time for Turkey's





From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Nov 25 05:49:51 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:49:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] leave
Message-ID: <027601c5f1c7$1c53d850$0301a8c0@Cam>






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov 25 08:37:31 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:37:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Field Engine Gas Valve (#7565421116)
Message-ID: <1132936651.43873dcb0b8ee@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

A nice diamond-opening gas valve on eBay...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

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Here is a nice original gas engine natural gas/propane valve. This one is a
small hard to find 1/2" pipe size. It is a good tight valve ready for use. 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 25 09:11:04 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:11:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse Genset
Message-ID: <410-220051152517114562@earthlink.net>

My sisters father-inlaw was just given a 1925 (per a date stamp that he
found) Westinghouse Genset.  It is simliar looking to the common Delco. 
Has the tin covered cylinder and cast finned flywheel.  It is a one
cylinder also.  He has no other info on it as there seems to be a plate
missing that had a tag on it.  Does anyone on the list have one of these
that could send a pic of what it looks like when all there?  The upper
piece of tin for the cylinder is missing and he is not sure how the spark
timer works.  I have a picture of the genset and can email it to any one
that would need a closer look to help get things going.  A copy of a manual
or line diagram would also be helpful.

Tim Christoff






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov 25 10:02:57 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:02:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
In-Reply-To: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1132941777.438751d1cab2f@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

The answer is easy...  Go nuke!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have 
> reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill slide 
> , more water coming out than oil.
> If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We 
> have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy 
> supplies .
> An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a 
> new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being used 
> is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for the 
> use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to 
> export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Nov 25 10:53:27 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:53:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Field Engine Gas Valve (#7565421116)
In-Reply-To: <1132936651.43873dcb0b8ee@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1132936651.43873dcb0b8ee@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43875DA7.3030203@scrtc.com>

Ouch, that babe is going to be $100 or more by the time shipping is 
added.  Lee Pederson had them not long ago for about $35 each.  They had 
the diamond pattern as well and were made by Hayes.  They were new or at 
least NOS.  I bought 4 or 5 and the last time I chatted with Lee he told 
me he couldn't get any more of them.  I guess its like a gallon of gas, 
supply and demand.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi Folks,
>
>A nice diamond-opening gas valve on eBay...
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
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>
>Summary
>Hit Miss; Oil Field Gas;Engine Natural Gas Valve 1/2" 
>Here is a nice original gas engine natural gas/propane valve. This one is a
>small hard to find 1/2" pipe size. It is a good tight valve ready for use. 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Nov 25 13:42:24 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:42:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] leave
In-Reply-To: <027601c5f1c7$1c53d850$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051126084200.00bc1598@mail.ncable.com.au>

Where are you going Cam!
Russell

At 12:49 AM 26/11/2005 +1100, you wrote:



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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Nov 25 14:54:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:54:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
References: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1132941777.438751d1cab2f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5f213$2450c260$119c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I am coming around to that  idea Arnie. At the moment I live in a country 
town that gets 75% of its power from a windfarm.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies


> G'day Peter,
>
> The answer is easy...  Go nuke!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have
>> reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill 
>> slide
>> , more water coming out than oil.
>> If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We
>> have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy
>> supplies .
>> An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a
>> new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being 
>> used
>> is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for 
>> the
>> use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to
>> export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.
>
>
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From chesnimnus at juno.com  Fri Nov 25 14:56:00 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:56:00 GMT
Subject: [SEL] LB question, and musing
Message-ID: <20051125.145638.18865.18959@webmail31.lax.untd.com>

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From oldengin at verizon.net  Fri Nov 25 19:36:23 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:36:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
Message-ID: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>

Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will 
be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!
Leroy



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Nov 25 20:19:05 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:19:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
References: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Leroy, so what is it?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] new Email address


Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will 
be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!
Leroy

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Nov 25 20:49:23 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:49:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
Message-ID: <20051125.204923.1104.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Good evening Jim.  It is probably:   oldengin at verizon.net  

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:19:05 -0800 "Jim and Diane"
<jd.kirkes at verizon.net> writes:
> Hi Leroy, so what is it?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA 
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:36 PM
> Subject: [SEL] new Email address
> 
> 
> Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one 
> will 
> be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov 25 21:07:40 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:07:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
In-Reply-To: <012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>
	<012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <1132981660.4387ed9c44ad0@webmail.city-net.com>

School, books, eat...

Quoting Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>:

> Hi Leroy, so what is it?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
> 
> Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will 
> be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov 26 04:40:01 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:40:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
In-Reply-To: <012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>
	<012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051126073936.04578da0@mail.alltel.net>

Books, school, eat!
         Dave

At 11:19 PM 11/25/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Leroy, so what is it?
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:36 PM
>Subject: [SEL] new Email address
>
>
>Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will
>be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!
>Leroy
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 26 06:28:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:28:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc. group
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1084E0E14E346E7D173E2BB560@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;

  Just met a guy from my hometown who's got new style Webster on his Herc. 
How does one join the Herc. group, and does anyone on the list have one? 
What he's looking for is the original trip mechanism.

  Thanks
RickinMt. 


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 25 21:07:38 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:07:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c5f247$52334a20$e330ecdc@morris>

test    4.04pm


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From nick at holden1.net  Sun Nov 27 01:59:29 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:59:29 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000b01c5f247$52334a20$e330ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <43898381.000001.35468@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

14.53 got it hear
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Kerry
Date: 11/26/05 14:53:42
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] test
 
test    4.04pm
 
 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 26 07:57:48 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:57:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20051126.110506.948.1.jlb94@juno.com>










Here's something interesting

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.









Forest Oil's corporate logo, the "yellow dog" derrick lantern, provided
the earliest source of light for night drilling. The double-wicked iron
lamps had been hung on the yardarms of whaling ships where, filled with
whale oil and set afire, they provided light for night hunting of the
great sperm whale. With the discovery of crude oil in the country, the
lanterns were adapted to the early drilling rigs, where they illuminated
the first night drilling operations.

The "yellow dog" nickname describes the yellowish shadow resembling a
dog's head cast by these lighted posts at night. The derrick lantern has
from its earliest history symbolized progress and innovation, and was
chosen as Forest Oil's symbol by its founders in 1916. The keystone shape
in the center of the lantern symbolizes the state of Pennsylvania where
oil was first discovered in the United States and where Forest Oil was
founded.

From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov 27 07:56:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
Message-ID: <20051127.105647.948.2.jlb94@juno.com>

For those of you who are wondering what the SEL message that says,
"Here's something interesting" is - 
I sent two paragraphs with a company logo to the SEL but, apparently, it
was too large and rejected.
Still feeling I could share the info, I'm sending this.
-        -        -        -        -        -        -        -

I was looking for "Yellow Dog Derrick Lantern" on Google and found
Forest Oil's site.  I found the info below worth sharing.
-        -        -        -        -        -        -        -        

Forest Oil's corporate logo, the "yellow dog" derrick lantern, provided
the earliest source of light for night drilling. The double-wicked iron
lamps had been hung on the yardarms of whaling ships where, filled with
whale oil and set afire, they provided light for night hunting of the
great sperm whale. With the discovery of crude oil in the country, the
lanterns were adapted to the early drilling rigs, where they illuminated
the first night drilling operations.

The "yellow dog" nickname describes the yellowish shadow resembling a
dog's head cast by these lighted posts at night. The derrick lantern has
from its earliest history symbolized progress and innovation, and was
chosen as Forest Oil's symbol by its founders in 1916. The keystone shape
in the center of the lantern symbolizes the state of Pennsylvania where
oil was first discovered in the United States and where Forest Oil was
founded.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 27 12:07:20 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and bolts 
for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Nov 27 12:54:27 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:54:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c5f394$c296f6b0$baf04c0c@D48VHZ61>

Someone used to advertise in GEM, might trysearching a couple of  back 
issues. I needed some oversize hex nuts for a project and was able to get 
them through MMaster-Carr.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
> bolts
> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 27 14:14:02 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:14:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
In-Reply-To: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F12F136EA4627313F3D11BA95490@phx.gbl>

Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 7545 They 
used to advertise in GEM.  Steve


>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>
>Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and bolts
>for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 15:05:56 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:05:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <20051127230603.908F524E49A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi everyone, I could use some help with the transportation of a 6 HP. Novo
Jug . MR. Dave Rotigel was nice enough to pick it up and store for me. I'm
trying to find a ride for it to northern Ca. or towards the west coast.
Anyone coming out to see the Golden Gate Bridge? It's 25"tallx13" across and
weighs 150 lbs.[+-].Any ideas ? Thanks in advance for your time, Jimmy
O'Hagan   415 892 0236  Ps, Thanks Dave.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 15:11:05 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:11:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Swedish Engines (1 French actually)
Message-ID: <6f6025160511271511n76ce9228i31cdb858b64e9d2@mail.gmail.com>

Kenneth Johansson emailed me over the weekend with these pictures that
he took at a small rally near Stockholm, Sweden, last summer.

I have contact details for Ken in case of any questions.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Overseas/Overseas1.htm

and

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Overseas/Overseas2.htm

There are 3 pictures per page, I didn't bother with thumbnails for the
small quantity involved.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 16:36:56 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:36:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F12F136EA4627313F3D11BA95490@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F12F136EA4627313F3D11BA95490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <438A5128.9010404@scrtc.com>

Curt and Steve,

    Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several 
sizes.  But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me 
they had stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that 
ordered them complained that the price was too high and they got tired 
of listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased 
with the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and 
make them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be 
acquired from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to 
order.  I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on 
Harry's) has them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 
> 7545 They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
>
>
>> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>> Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>>
>> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
>> bolts
>> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>> thankyou in advance,
>> Curt Andree
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 16:52:10 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:52:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aermotor
Message-ID: <20051128005214.2768524E53C@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi, Is there anyone on the list that lives near Huntington Long Island N.Y.
who can pick up an Aermotor for me? The seller Refuses to ship it . There is
a show at Blue MT. Pa. He says that he could deliver to there. Anybody going
to that show? Thanks for any help! Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 17:15:13 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:15:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <27c.9278c2.30bbb421@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/27/2005 3:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jdohagan at comcast.net writes:


> Anyone coming out to see the Golden Gate Bridge? It's 25"tallx13" across 
> and
> weighs 150 lbs.[+-].Any ideas ? Thanks in advance 

Now, I've seen that bridge.....I'm pretty sure it's bigger than that!   <grin>


Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 17:16:34 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:16:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <297.59271b.30bbb472@aol.com>

Hi List,
I cranked in "2H Nuts" into Google and this is one of the item that  came up. 
 
<_ASTM A194 Heavy Hex Nuts,A194  Nuts,2H Nuts,A194 2H Nuts,Gr.8 Nuts,A194 
Gr.8 Nuts,Gr.8M Nuts,A194 Gr.8M  Nuts,Gr.4 Nuts,Gr.7 Nu.._ 
(http://www.goasf.com/SpecShts/2NutsStk.html) >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From cjclem at sysim.net  Sun Nov 27 17:30:11 2005
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:30:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bolts & Fasteners
Message-ID: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>

 Fastenal Corp may have what you need & may have store nearby. 
http://www.fastenal.com/web/home.ex




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 27 17:43:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:43:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <297.59271b.30bbb472@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV22486F0C17BC0464BF0FCFBB480@phx.gbl>

speaking of nutz..anyone got a pair of 1/2x12 castellated?.  Lots of 1/2x12 
on this New Way.


Thanks
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Hi List,
> I cranked in "2H Nuts" into Google and this is one of the item that  came 
> up.
>
> <_ASTM A194 Heavy Hex Nuts,A194  Nuts,2H Nuts,A194 2H Nuts,Gr.8 Nuts,A194
> Gr.8 Nuts,Gr.8M Nuts,A194 Gr.8M  Nuts,Gr.4 Nuts,Gr.7 Nu.._
> (http://www.goasf.com/SpecShts/2NutsStk.html) >
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 18:04:05 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:04:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bolts & Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>
References: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <438A6595.8000701@scrtc.com>

John,
   
I've got a local Fastenal store near me.  They can get the heavy nuts 
but not the high crown bolts.  I don't know of any place you can find 
them unless its someone like Cook Enterprises who used to make them.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Fastenal Corp may have what you need & may have store nearby. 
>http://www.fastenal.com/web/home.ex
>
>
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From gibsongus at myway.com  Sun Nov 27 22:06:13 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:06:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300 lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27, WinkAndGinger at aol.com &lt; WinkAndGinger at aol.com &gt; wrote:
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:15:13 ESTSubject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinderIn a message dated 11/27/2005 3:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, jdohagan at comcast.net writes:&gt; Anyone coming out to see the Golden Gate Bridge? It's 25"tallx13" across &gt; and&gt; weighs 150 lbs.[+-].Any ideas ? Thanks in advance Now, I've seen that bridge.....I'm pretty sure it's bigger than that! Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&amp;a=30951078&amp;pw=_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 23:30:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:30:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bolts & Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <438A6595.8000701@scrtc.com>
References: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>
	<438A6595.8000701@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511272330w115b5367i5b78b0b7e25e2759@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/05, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> I've got a local Fastenal store near me.  They can get the heavy nuts
> but not the high crown bolts.  I don't know of any place you can find
> them unless its someone like Cook Enterprises who used to make them.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>

We have a small stock of hex mild steel in the Whitworth A/F sizes,
acquired from various places over the years so we can always make some
up when they finally stop becoming available.

It was still available commercially a couple of years ago, and we
still have small companies producing these fittings for the
restoration hobby, but it will eventually peter out over here as well,
at which time we will start making our own.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 28 02:25:04 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:25:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tommy for telling about the proper name for the big nuts (2H).  Knew 
there was a name for em but couldn't remember.  So what kind of big bucks did 
you have to pay for like a 3/8" thread size????
Curt Andree


> Curt and Steve,
> 
>     Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several 
> sizes.  But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me 
> they had stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that 
> ordered them complained that the price was too high and they got tired 
> of listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased 
> with the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and 
> make them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be 
> acquired from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to 
> order.  I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on 
> Harry's) has them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> > Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 
> > 7545 They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
> >
> >
> >> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
> >> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
> >> Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
> >> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
> >>
> >> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
> >> bolts
> >> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> >> thankyou in advance,
> >> Curt Andree
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 28 02:33:03 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:33:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <112820051033.23755.438ADCDF0008DECF00005CCB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Steve, will give them a call too.
Curt


> Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 7545 They 
> used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
> 
> 
> >From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
> >Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
> >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
> >
> >Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and bolts
> >for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Nov 28 04:09:02 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 7:09:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <4ck04t$1n9dm3f@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net>


Check a Model A restorers catalog, they have limited sizes but are reasonably priced.
J.B. Castagnos


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Nov 28 07:06:48 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:06:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2166343D27CDC803FE53E1BB480@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all;

  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of whack 
and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat looking fragile 
part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the blade is 
riveted to.

Pix at:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP

Thanks gang
RickinsnowyMt. 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 28 09:58:04 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:58:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>

At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300 
> lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,

I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on it. 
(Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be 
getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser had a 
good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's Novo 
cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
         Dave



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Nov 28 12:39:31 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:39:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <005301c5f45b$d83ced40$11a7123f@oemcomputer>

Curt,

How many and what size bolts do you need?  I have a box of those kind of
things that I have saved over the years.  I also have a lot of hex stock
that I can make most sizes.  I could make half a dozen or less but don't
want any bigger job.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and
bolts
> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 28 13:04:39 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:04:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
In-Reply-To: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <438B70E7.3020701@scrtc.com>

Curt,

    The 3/8 heavy nuts are pretty cheap.  A box of 50 cost about $6 
(without shipping) from McMaster Carr.  The bolts were different prices 
depending on the length.  A 3/8 x 2 high crown bolt would probably cost 
about $2.00 to $2.50.  Can't get 'em any more though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>Thanks Tommy for telling about the proper name for the big nuts (2H).  Knew 
>there was a name for em but couldn't remember.  So what kind of big bucks did 
>you have to pay for like a 3/8" thread size????
>Curt Andree
>
>
>  
>
>>Curt and Steve,
>>
>>    Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several 
>>sizes.  But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me 
>>they had stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that 
>>ordered them complained that the price was too high and they got tired 
>>of listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased 
>>with the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and 
>>make them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be 
>>acquired from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to 
>>order.  I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on 
>>Harry's) has them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 
>>>7545 They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>>>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>>>>Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>>>>
>>>>Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
>>>>bolts
>>>>for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>>>>thankyou in advance,
>>>>Curt Andree
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 28 13:30:55 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:30:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
springs?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
> >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
> > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
>
> I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on it.
> (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
> getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser had a
> good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's Novo
> cylinder weighs 128 lbs!



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 28 14:38:38 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:38:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<438B70E7.3020701@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c5f46c$7de9d950$4a9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Try China!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Curt,
>
>    The 3/8 heavy nuts are pretty cheap.  A box of 50 cost about $6 
> (without shipping) from McMaster Carr.  The bolts were different prices 
> depending on the length.  A 3/8 x 2 high crown bolt would probably cost 
> about $2.00 to $2.50.  Can't get 'em any more though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>>Thanks Tommy for telling about the proper name for the big nuts (2H). 
>>Knew there was a name for em but couldn't remember.  So what kind of big 
>>bucks did you have to pay for like a 3/8" thread size????
>>Curt Andree
>>
>>
>>
>>>Curt and Steve,
>>>
>>>    Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several sizes. 
>>> But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me they had 
>>> stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that ordered 
>>> them complained that the price was too high and they got tired of 
>>> listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased with 
>>> the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and make 
>>> them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be acquired 
>>> from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to order. 
>>> I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on Harry's) has 
>>> them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 7545 
>>>>They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>>>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>>>>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>>>>>Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>>>>>
>>>>>Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
>>>>>bolts
>>>>>for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>>>>>thankyou in advance,
>>>>>Curt Andree
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 28 14:40:57 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:40:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aermotor
References: <20051128005214.2768524E53C@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <003301c5f46c$d04cb320$4a9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Lucky man Jim. Just heard from a friend who has found an Aermotor ,the 8 
stroke . It was serving as a garden ornament.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Aermotor


> Hi, Is there anyone on the list that lives near Huntington Long Island 
> N.Y.
> who can pick up an Aermotor for me? The seller Refuses to ship it . There 
> is
> a show at Blue MT. Pa. He says that he could deliver to there. Anybody 
> going
> to that show? Thanks for any help! Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 28 13:55:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:55:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>

The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!
By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I only 
wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!
         Dave

At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
>springs?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> > At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
> > > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
> >
> > I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on it.
> > (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
> > getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser had a
> > good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's Novo
> > cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 28 17:33:24 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:33:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net><Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinder


> The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!
> By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I 
> only wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!
>         Dave
>
> At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
>>springs?  8-))
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>
>> > At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>> > >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
>> > > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
>> >
>> > I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on 
>> > it.
>> > (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
>> > getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser 
>> > had a
>> > good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's 
>> > Novo
>> > cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
>>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Nov 28 18:15:40 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:15:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net><Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <a5e403078cd034186611c89dea29ac33@chartertn.net>

I carry my Johnson slung over my shoulder. Y'all have seen me playing 
with it under my tent at Portland. I usually make an awful racket when 
I do that.

John

On Nov 28, 2005, at 8:33 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 28 20:03:57 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:03:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
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ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave

At 08:33 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinder
>
>
>>The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!
>>By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I 
>>only wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!
>>         Dave
>>
>>At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>
>>>So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
>>>springs?  8-))
>>>
>>>See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>>
>>> > At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>> > >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
>>> > > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
>>> >
>>> > I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder 
>>> on > it.
>>> > (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
>>> > getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John 
>>> Fankhauser > had a
>>> > good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that 
>>> Jim's > Novo
>>> > cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
>>>
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 12:09:53 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:09:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy
Message-ID: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, guys, 

I am on a quest for finding some aluminum bar stock. I am helping a
friend with rebuilding a small 1943-vintage stationary engine that
needs new pistons. The specially designed aluminum alloy used for
making machined pistons (as opposed to cast or forged aluminum pistons)
is type 2618 aluminum alloy. So far, after doing several pretty
exhaustive Internet searches, I haven?t had any luck at all in finding
a place that sells 2618 bar stock. I used Googol, Lycos, and Dogpile
search engines. I found probably two dozen places listed under ?2618
aluminum alloy? that sell custom made 2618 aluminum alloy pistons, but
I didn?t find a single one that sells just plain round bar stock.
The little stationary engine is pretty interesting and could even be
described as cute. Its manufacturer is unidentified but it appears to
be a Continental because it has the same parts layout and consequently
looks like one. It was used for running a small World War Two era
30-volt DC generator (marked General Electric December 1943), probably
used for powering a large military radio transmitter or as an aircraft
battery charger/power supply for powering up a bomber?s electrical
system while parked. The engine is a four-cylinder flat head design
with a bore and stroke of 2-inches by 2-inches. The engine is in good
shape but I had to sleeve the cylinders to repair a botched bore job
that ran into the water jacket. When a previous mechanic tried
rebuilding it he could not get pistons small enough that had the right
size wrist pins and had it bored out to accept larger pistons from a
Briggs and Stratton engine or some such thing and ended up ruining it.
If I can find where to get the 2618 aluminum alloy I can make the
pistons no problem. 

Work and play safely,

Richard Allen





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 28 21:50:14 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:50:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
Message-ID: <438BEC16.1060603@scrtc.com>

I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high 
crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this like and you'll find a lot of neat 
stuff that we can use on the old iron:

www.restorationstuff.com

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From gibsongus at myway.com  Mon Nov 28 22:12:53 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:12:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <20051129061253.35F6423409@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Dave my friend ,Wink and I were joking with you we though you were refering to the Golden Gate Bridge&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 11/28, Dave Rotigel &lt; rotigel at alltel.net &gt; wrote:
From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:03:57 -0500Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinderROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DaveAt 08:33 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:&gt;Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!&gt;Reg &amp; Marg Ingold.&gt;Newcastle, NSW, Australia.&gt;randmingold at hotkey.net.au&gt;http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold&gt;&gt;----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" &gt;To: "The SEL email discussion list" &gt;Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM&gt;Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinder&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!&gt;&gt;By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I &gt;&gt;only wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!&gt;&gt; Dave&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:&gt;&gt;&gt;Hi Dave,&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the 
buggered&gt;&gt;&gt;springs? 8-))&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;See ya, Arnie&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder &gt;&gt;&gt; on &gt; it.&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John &gt;&gt;&gt; Fankhauser &gt; had a&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that &gt;&gt;&gt; Jim's &gt; Novo&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; cylinder weighs 128 lbs!&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;_______________________________________________&gt;&gt;&gt;SEL mailing 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 28 23:38:12 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:38:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
Message-ID: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

>From the old engine list:


-----Original Message-----


I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about John
Hammink's death.

I got an email from Harry Terpstra this afternoon and just read it a 
few minutes
ago since I was gone all day.

Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in 
a simple
operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.

The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.

It has been a bad year in Holland for the engine collectors.  First 
Harry's dad
passed away, and now John.

I'm glad to say I had the priviledge of meeting both of them in Holland 
and was
able to visit with them and had some good times with them.

They both will be missed.

George


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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Nov 29 03:36:15 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:36:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy
In-Reply-To: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438C3D2F.90709@wightman.ca>

Hi Richard,

Go to
http://www.matweb.com
Type 2618 in the search box in the top right corner and it will take you 
to the data sheets and you can find suppliers from there usually.
I got these guys for your 2618
Global Metal Sales and Marketing 
<http://www.matweb.com/clickthrough.asp?addataid=292> Virtually any type 
of metal in virtually any form. Phone (661) 299-2322, Fax (661) 299-4684 
or e-mail mdome at sbcglobal.net
This site is great. Used it extensively when I was a cost estimator in 
automotive.

Duncan


Richard Allen wrote:

>Hi, guys, 
>
>I am on a quest for finding some aluminum bar stock. I am helping a
>friend with rebuilding a small 1943-vintage stationary engine that
>needs new pistons. The specially designed aluminum alloy used for
>making machined pistons (as opposed to cast or forged aluminum pistons)
>is type 2618 aluminum alloy. So far, after doing several pretty
>exhaustive Internet searches, I haven?t had any luck at all in finding
>a place that sells 2618 bar stock. I used Googol, Lycos, and Dogpile
>search engines. I found probably two dozen places listed under ?2618
>aluminum alloy? that sell custom made 2618 aluminum alloy pistons, but
>I didn?t find a single one that sells just plain round bar stock.
>The little stationary engine is pretty interesting and could even be
>described as cute. Its manufacturer is unidentified but it appears to
>be a Continental because it has the same parts layout and consequently
>looks like one. It was used for running a small World War Two era
>30-volt DC generator (marked General Electric December 1943), probably
>used for powering a large military radio transmitter or as an aircraft
>battery charger/power supply for powering up a bomber?s electrical
>system while parked. The engine is a four-cylinder flat head design
>with a bore and stroke of 2-inches by 2-inches. The engine is in good
>shape but I had to sleeve the cylinders to repair a botched bore job
>that ran into the water jacket. When a previous mechanic tried
>rebuilding it he could not get pistons small enough that had the right
>size wrist pins and had it bored out to accept larger pistons from a
>Briggs and Stratton engine or some such thing and ended up ruining it.
>If I can find where to get the 2618 aluminum alloy I can make the
>pistons no problem. 
>
>Work and play safely,
>
>Richard Allen
>
>
>
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>
>  
>


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Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 29 02:45:49 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:45:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
Message-ID: <112920051045.4602.438C315D0008B907000011FA21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tommy will give the site a try.
Curt Andree


> I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high 
> crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this like and you'll find a lot of neat 
> stuff that we can use on the old iron:
> 
> www.restorationstuff.com
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Nov 29 02:58:24 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:58:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy
References: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c5f4d3$d25611e0$a2416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Richard,

Would it be possible to find some pistons that are about right and 
re-machine them to suit?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy


Hi, guys,

I am on a quest for finding some aluminum bar stock. I am helping a
friend with rebuilding a small 1943-vintage stationary engine that
needs new pistons. The specially designed aluminum alloy used for
making machined pistons (as opposed to cast or forged aluminum pistons)
is type 2618 aluminum alloy. So far, after doing several pretty
exhaustive Internet searches, I haven't had any luck at all in finding
a place that sells 2618 bar stock. I used Googol, Lycos, and Dogpile
search engines. I found probably two dozen places listed under "2618
aluminum alloy" that sell custom made 2618 aluminum alloy pistons, but
I didn't find a single one that sells just plain round bar stock.
The little stationary engine is pretty interesting and could even be
described as cute. Its manufacturer is unidentified but it appears to
be a Continental because it has the same parts layout and consequently
looks like one. It was used for running a small World War Two era
30-volt DC generator (marked General Electric December 1943), probably
used for powering a large military radio transmitter or as an aircraft
battery charger/power supply for powering up a bomber's electrical
system while parked. The engine is a four-cylinder flat head design
with a bore and stroke of 2-inches by 2-inches. The engine is in good
shape but I had to sleeve the cylinders to repair a botched bore job
that ran into the water jacket. When a previous mechanic tried
rebuilding it he could not get pistons small enough that had the right
size wrist pins and had it bored out to accept larger pistons from a
Briggs and Stratton engine or some such thing and ended up ruining it.
If I can find where to get the 2618 aluminum alloy I can make the
pistons no problem.

Work and play safely,

Richard Allen



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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Nov 29 03:29:43 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:29:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
References: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002d01c5f4d8$33406a60$9985dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanks for letting us know.He will be missed for sure.I wish his family well
in there time of sorrow.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:38
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink


> >From the old engine list:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about
John
> Hammink's death.
>
> I got an email from Harry Terpstra this afternoon and just read it a
> few minutes
> ago since I was gone all day.
>
> Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in
> a simple
> operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.
>
> The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.
>
> It has been a bad year in Holland for the engine collectors.  First
> Harry's dad
> passed away, and now John.
>
> I'm glad to say I had the priviledge of meeting both of them in Holland
> and was
> able to visit with them and had some good times with them.
>
> They both will be missed.
>
> George
>
>
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 03:56:44 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:56:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <438C41FC.5020208@insulate.co.uk>

I don't think Harry is on either of the lists these days.
I've emailed Harry to ask where to send flowers - hopefully we can sort 
out a List tribute.
As George said, John was a great guy; we met him and Ria several times 
in the USA and UK.  Seemed like they were making the most of retirement, 
so it really is tragic to have had that time cut so short.
I'll let you all know if I hear back from Harry.

Dolly


>
>Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in 
>a simple
>operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.
>
>The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.
>
>  
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Nov 29 04:03:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
References: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<002d01c5f4d8$33406a60$9985dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001101c5f4dc$dc5fde60$a29e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I only knew John through the list ...he was a wealth of knowledge on IHC and 
the off list mail he sent me was so welcome. We will miss you John.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: John Hammink


> Thanks for letting us know.He will be missed for sure.I wish his family 
> well
> in there time of sorrow.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:38
> Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
>
>
>> >From the old engine list:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about
> John
>> Hammink's death.
>>
>> I got an email from Harry Terpstra this afternoon and just read it a
>> few minutes
>> ago since I was gone all day.
>>
>> Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in
>> a simple
>> operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.
>>
>> The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.
>>
>> It has been a bad year in Holland for the engine collectors.  First
>> Harry's dad
>> passed away, and now John.
>>
>> I'm glad to say I had the priviledge of meeting both of them in Holland
>> and was
>> able to visit with them and had some good times with them.
>>
>> They both will be missed.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>>
>> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> with:
>> unsubscribe
>> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc.
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 05:00:05 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:00:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
Message-ID: <238.282b9e6.30bdaad5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/29/2005 2:54:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about John
 Hammink's deat >>


I only knew John thru this engine list, web sites, show photos, etc., but 
felt that I had personally visited with him many times.  He and I conversed off 
line occasionally about the love for IHC engines and other stuff over the 
years.  His wealth of knowledge and hard copy of IHC information will surely be 
missed.  My best wishes to his family!  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 29 07:39:45 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:39:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] "SixM John"
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl>


Sad day indeed.  I've created an album with a few pictures of John and Ria. 
If you have any to share, I'd be glad to post them.  And please correct any 
mistakes I may have made.

My album of "The Hammink's" at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/514114362mTSrnn

John's website and other pictures:


http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/index.htm

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4059020&f=0 


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 07:48:00 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
In-Reply-To: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

To the SEL folks-
  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my  doorstep.  Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
  I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
  I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a conversation.
  Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
  Thanks so much.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have 
reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill slide 
, more water coming out than oil.
If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We 
have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy 
supplies .
An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a 
new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being used 
is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for the 
use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to 
export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 


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From segray at mlode.com  Tue Nov 29 08:53:30 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:53:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: "Introductions" revisited? New webmaster
Message-ID: <438C878A.8040804@mlode.com>

Mornin' Peter -



  Is this the Introductions site that Dave Croft used to maintain? If 
so, per Dave's request here a while back, I volunteered to take it on 
and put it up as a side page to my site. It's still pretty much in it's 
out of date form, but can be gotten to at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html. Between holiday chores and the 
like, I will update it ASAP, so anybody who wants ANY kind of changes 
made, just give me a holler.

  I'm still stunned about the news of John. My sincere condolences to 
Ria and the family.



- Steve

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 09:34:37 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:34:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291231090.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
gas?  On a cart or skids?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> To the SEL folks-
>   Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my  doorstep.  Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a conversation.
>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 10:21:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:21:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291231090.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been communicated previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is missing.  The flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly complete and is still partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The metal is all solid and I don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane had posted some pix of it a  few weeks back.
  I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I have.
  Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,

We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
gas?  On a cart or skids?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> To the SEL folks-
>  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my  doorstep. Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a conversation.
>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 10:52:30 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:52:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <238.282b9e6.30bdaad5@aol.com>
References: <238.282b9e6.30bdaad5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438CA36E.4060106@insulate.co.uk>

I've just spoken to John's wife, Ria, and their daughter Simonna.  They 
are obviously a close and loving family who will help each other through 
this difficult time.
They have been reading John's email, and have been very touched by the 
messages which have been posted.
I will be sending flowers for the funeral on Friday, so if you want to 
join in, please contact me OFF LIST by emailing helen at insulate.co.uk

Thanks,
Dolly


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 10:48:46 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:48:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291345430.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

I'd guess $250 to $550 depending on what bits are missing that make it
"mostly complete" and how close it is to being a runner.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been
> communicated previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is
> missing.  The flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly
> complete and is still partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The
> metal is all solid and I don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane
> had posted some pix of it a  few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?


From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Tue Nov 29 11:04:36 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:04:36 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>

I just subscribed back to both the old-engine list and the SEL after a busy 
time.
I'm very sorry the circumstances are so bad though.

John really was a great friend of mine and we (John & Ria) and my dad and I 
usually setup together at the shows.
We always had a GREAT time talking engine's and of course talking about all 
the people we knew from both engine lists.
John also knew much about engines and had many solutions for some problems 
we have restoring our old engines.

After my dad passed away this summer I was so greatfull that at the show 
there were John & Ria and it is a great feeling to know that some people 
always will be your friend.
They were also friends with my wife (who just arrived from Indonesia) and 
gave her the feeling she was their friend too.
Needles to say I have a difficult time again now. And yesterday I had tears 
in my eyes as I feel I lost a VERY good friend!

Harry Terpstra
Netherlands



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Nov 29 11:14:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:14:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291231090.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2392.165.206.180.102.1133291660.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Wico makes it a "later M" than a lot of them does it not?

Mine is an "old one" with the understrike ignitor, rotary mag and
dual-fuel mixer.

(yes, Dave - they are all old, and so are we. I'd probably not have them
if they were not old)

It's worth whatever the buyer and seller agree it's worth.

Bill

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been communicated
> previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is missing.  The
> flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly complete and is still
> partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The metal is all solid and I
> don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane had posted some pix of it a
> few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I
> have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:
>
>> To the SEL folks-
>>  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my
>>  doorstep. Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing
>> and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a
>> conversation.
>>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
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From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Nov 29 11:29:01 2005
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:29:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl>
	<007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>
Message-ID: <p06210201bfb25be9470b@[128.163.81.76]>

It is very sad to hear the news of John and my thoughts go out to Ria 
and his family.  He was very helpful with my questions about my 
Famous as he was with with anyones engine questions.  The engine 
community lost an obviously nice guy and a tremendous volume of 
willing information.

Take care,
Mike
-- 
____________________
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Midway, Kentucky, USA
oldironnut at alltel.net
____________________


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 12:16:47 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <2392.165.206.180.102.1133291660.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20051129201648.77116.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Is that to say that the Wico would have been  original or is it possible that it was a re-fit later on?  Again,  I know next to nothing about these things other than I have one and it  is heavy and in the way :-)
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  Wico makes it a "later M" than a lot of them does it not?

Mine is an "old one" with the understrike ignitor, rotary mag and
dual-fuel mixer.

(yes, Dave - they are all old, and so are we. I'd probably not have them
if they were not old)

It's worth whatever the buyer and seller agree it's worth.

Bill

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been communicated
> previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is missing.  The
> flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly complete and is still
> partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The metal is all solid and I
> don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane had posted some pix of it a
> few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I
> have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero  wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:
>
>> To the SEL folks-
>>  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my
>>  doorstep. Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing
>> and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a
>> conversation.
>>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 12:23:59 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:23:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291345430.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051129202400.57706.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

Lacking the skills and experience that you and  your cronies have, the tool I would most need to make it running  correctly would be a time machine!
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,

I'd guess $250 to $550 depending on what bits are missing that make it
"mostly complete" and how close it is to being a runner.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been
> communicated previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is
> missing.  The flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly
> complete and is still partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The
> metal is all solid and I don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane
> had posted some pix of it a  few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero  wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Nov 29 14:08:31 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:08:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <438CA36E.4060106@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200511292208.jATM8f3O024563@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Ria and Simonna, we share your sadness.   John was widely respected and
admired in the old iron community.  Although I never got to meet John face
to face, I regarded him as a friend.  His posts were always informative and
respectful.  His meticulous craftsmanship is much to be admired.  His
restorations are amongst the best.  John was a good man.  

You will find more tributes to John at this Web site.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26524

If that thread does not come up, go here:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: John Hammink

I've just spoken to John's wife, Ria, and their daughter Simonna.  They 
are obviously a close and loving family who will help each other through 
this difficult time.
They have been reading John's email, and have been very touched by the 
messages which have been posted.
I will be sending flowers for the funeral on Friday, so if you want to 
join in, please contact me OFF LIST by emailing helen at insulate.co.uk

Thanks,
Dolly


-- 
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 14:27:04 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:27:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
In-Reply-To: <438BEC16.1060603@scrtc.com>
References: <438BEC16.1060603@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291720110.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

That's a really neat color catalog you can download from their web site.
Thanks!

In addition to the high head bolts, they also have heavy and heavy-wide
hex nuts.

I've emailed 'em to see if you can special-order the high head bolts in
lengths other than what they list.  I've also asked if they can do some of
the old thread pitches; like 1/2-12.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high
> crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this link and you'll find a lot of neat
> stuff that we can use on the old iron:
>
> www.restorationstuff.com



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 15:19:57 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:19:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291720110.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051129231957.15316.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

Gentlemen (and Ladies, BTW)-
  I have been reading (deleting, really) all the streams on "old nuts and  bolts".  You know...this farm thing that has fallen into my lap  has TONS of old s**t strewn about.  Is it possible that I have  this stuff that you guys (gals) could make use of (dangled participle,  dammit).
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Tommy,

That's a really neat color catalog you can download from their web site.
Thanks!

In addition to the high head bolts, they also have heavy and heavy-wide
hex nuts.

I've emailed 'em to see if you can special-order the high head bolts in
lengths other than what they list.  I've also asked if they can do some of
the old thread pitches; like 1/2-12.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high
> crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this link and you'll find a lot of neat
> stuff that we can use on the old iron:
>
> www.restorationstuff.com

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 15:28:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:28:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <200511292302.jATN2srI021690@web129.megawebservers.com>
References: <200511292302.jATN2srI021690@web129.megawebservers.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291820100.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Great news!!

I just had a quick reply from the folks at Restoration Supply Company.

The quick bottom line is, yes, they will do sizes & threads other than
what is listed in their catalog.  Contact 'em with the details of what
you need for specifics.

If you haven't downloaded their catalog yet, visit the website and do so.
Pretty neat stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Restoration Supply Company wrote:

> Mr Fero
>
> Thanks for the kind words, how did you hear about us?
>
> Concerning your bolts, we can get whatever you want, but it all comes down
> to the specifics.
>
> Give me your dream sheet of how many of what sizes, lead time you want,
> hardened or not?  I will say it is very costly for rolled threads now so most
> we do are cut but either way.  Black oxide or plain steel finish?
>
> And the nuts are the same boat, how many of what sizes.  It will also help if
> you let me know what these are for, we will be able to get a better idea of
> what you need.
>
> Let me know
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony Teravainen
> Restoration Supply Company
> Toll free (800) 306-7008
> Phone     (760) 741-4014
> Fax       (760) 739-8843
> Web       www.RestorationStuff.com
> Email     info at restorationstuff.com



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 16:36:10 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:36:10 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
Message-ID: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>

Hi All,
Look on page 35 of this catalog.....they have......Kwik Poly!!  If you don't 
know what it it, it is the miracle drug for rusty/leaking gas tanks plus much 
more.
Thanks Tommy, for telling us about this company.
Address at bottom.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA


In a message dated 11/29/2005 5:55:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
<SNIP>
If you haven't downloaded their catalog yet, visit the website and do so.
Pretty neat stuff.

See ya,  Arnie
<SNIP>>
> Tony Teravainen
> Restoration Supply Company
> Toll free (800) 306-7008
> Phone     (760) 741-4014
> Fax       (760) 739-8843
> Web       www.RestorationStuff.com
> Email     info at restorationstuff.com


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 29 16:37:10 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:37:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl><007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>
	<p06210201bfb25be9470b@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <00db01c5f546$33e41a70$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>

John helped me quite a bit over the net concerning my 2 Famous engines. We 
have definetly lost a wealth of knowledge as well as a heck of a nice person 
to correspond with.

John Hall





From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 29 16:50:05 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:50:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><438B70E7.3020701@scrtc.com>
	<002d01c5f46c$7de9d950$4a9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <00f601c5f548$01bbc320$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>

I think some of the oversize nuts I just got from McMaster were from China, 
unfortunately.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Try China!
> 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 29 17:15:49 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:15:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>
References: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438CFD45.2050702@scrtc.com>

Ron,
   
My friend John Billing gave me the link.  Thanks to him for knowing 
where to find some of these goodies.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi All,
>Look on page 35 of this catalog.....they have......Kwik Poly!!  If you don't 
>know what it it, it is the miracle drug for rusty/leaking gas tanks plus much 
>more.
>Thanks Tommy, for telling us about this company.
>Address at bottom.
>Ron Carroll
>Clearmont, Missouri USA
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 29 17:25:22 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:25:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291820100.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <200511292302.jATN2srI021690@web129.megawebservers.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291820100.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051129202417.0ca5f790@mail.alltel.net>

Pretty EXPENSIVE Good News. They also have their square nuts pictured 
upside down!
         Dave

At 06:28 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Great news!!
>
>I just had a quick reply from the folks at Restoration Supply Company.
>
>The quick bottom line is, yes, they will do sizes & threads other than
>what is listed in their catalog.  Contact 'em with the details of what
>you need for specifics.
>
>If you haven't downloaded their catalog yet, visit the website and do so.
>Pretty neat stuff.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Restoration Supply Company wrote:
>
> > Mr Fero
> >
> > Thanks for the kind words, how did you hear about us?
> >
> > Concerning your bolts, we can get whatever you want, but it all comes down
> > to the specifics.
> >
> > Give me your dream sheet of how many of what sizes, lead time you want,
> > hardened or not?  I will say it is very costly for rolled threads now 
> so most
> > we do are cut but either way.  Black oxide or plain steel finish?
> >
> > And the nuts are the same boat, how many of what sizes.  It will also 
> help if
> > you let me know what these are for, we will be able to get a better idea of
> > what you need.
> >
> > Let me know
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony Teravainen
> > Restoration Supply Company
> > Toll free (800) 306-7008
> > Phone     (760) 741-4014
> > Fax       (760) 739-8843
> > Web       www.RestorationStuff.com
> > Email     info at restorationstuff.com
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 29 17:45:17 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:45:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <00db01c5f546$33e41a70$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl><007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>	<p06210201bfb25be9470b@[128.163.81.76]>
	<00db01c5f546$33e41a70$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <438D042D.8080208@scrtc.com>



I agree.  John visited my place about 3 years ago and we had a very 
enjoyable time.  Our prayers are with Rita and the Hammink family.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> John helped me quite a bit over the net concerning my 2 Famous 
> engines. We have definetly lost a wealth of knowledge as well as a 
> heck of a nice person to correspond with.
>
> John Hall
>
>
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From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Nov 29 20:08:08 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:08:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE:  John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <200511292208.jATM8f3O024563@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>

Bill still tells the story of how he purchased an engine at Portland, and 
then had John and Ria list themselves as the owers so they could say they 
"exhibited" at Portland.

Our prayers are with Ria and family.

Peg Pfeiffer


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 29 21:00:40 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE:  John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <438D31F8.3090305@scrtc.com>

Peg,
    My Kentucky upbringing came out in my last post about John.  I 
referred to Ria as "Rita".  I knew better but added the t when I typed 
it.  Ria was with John when he visited my place.  Great couple.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Bill still tells the story of how he purchased an engine at Portland, 
> and then had John and Ria list themselves as the owers so they could 
> say they "exhibited" at Portland.
>
> Our prayers are with Ria and family.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 29 21:46:46 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:46:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Burrall Corn Sheller
Message-ID: <045701c5f571$74d76570$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
You want one?
 
Here's a picture of one:
http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/burrall.html
 
There is a young lady in Saddle River, NJ who has one that she would like to
liquidate.  If you're interested, her name is Betsy and her email address is
eabowen at optonline.net
 
I've not seen the sheller, I don't know the seller.  Civet Cat Emperor.
 
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 29 22:02:54 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:02:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <045c01c5f573$b5b63ab0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Look on page 35 of this catalog.....they have......Kwik 
> Poly!!  If you don't know what it it, it is the miracle drug 
> for rusty/leaking gas tanks plus much more.


Now hold your horses there, amigo!

Here is my understanding of the facts.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

1.  A elderly gentleman in Missouri used to manufacture Kwik-Poly.

2.  The gentleman died.

3.  The rights to the product were sold to another gentleman named Jeff.

4.  Jeff renamed the product Xtreme-Poly.

5.  Litigation ensued and the formulation was changed.

6.  The new formulation is not gasoline resistant.

7.  Litigation continues.


So the obvious questions are:

1.  Why does a 2005 catalog carry "Kwik-Poly?"  

2.  Is this "Kwik-Poly" resistant to fuel.

3.  If so, why does the catalog not claim this characteristic?

It appears that there are huge holes in the "facts" as I know them.

Rob

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From flywheel at netconnect.com.au  Tue Nov 29 22:09:20 2005
From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:09:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RE:  John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>
References: <200511292208.jATM8f3O024563@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051130170316.0309d450@mail.netconnect.com.au>

Such sad news! I had the very great privilege to correspond with John a 
couple of times a few years back but was never fortunate enough to be able 
to meet him personally.

As we all know, John was a truly great supporter of the list and a 
veritable wealth of information, which he was unfailing willing to share - 
and always with a wry sense of humour!

And the tragic circumstances of his passing remind us all that life is a 
precious gift so easily lost.

Memories make our loved ones live in our hearts for ever. I hope that his 
family can gain some measure of support from the wishes of the list.

Regards,

Mark

Mark Kennedy
Ballarat, Victoria, Australia

Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy

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From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Nov 30 02:04:44 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:04:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
In-Reply-To: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>

The oil Companies have been using this ruse forever.It's a real 
money-maker for them! I'd like to know what proof he has....and how many 
other qualified people agree.

I think if he's right,the Congress would let the oil companies drill in 
Alaska.

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Nov 30 03:11:08 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:11:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Who is ''He''?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies


> The oil Companies have been using this ruse forever.It's a real
> money-maker for them! I'd like to know what proof he has....and how many
> other qualified people agree.
>
> I think if he's right,the Congress would let the oil companies drill in
> Alaska.
>


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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Nov 30 03:52:06 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:52:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051130224452.00bc61a8@mail.ncable.com.au>


>Like other SEL folk I find it hard to beleive John has passed away. 
>Freindly kind people like John keep members attracted to a list like this. 
>I have chattered off list with John a number of times; and think that one 
>could not find a better bloke. His imput to our hobby will take some 
>bettering! A sad day indead and our thoughts also to Johns family.

regards Russell Gilbert


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Nov 30 04:24:17 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:24:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
In-Reply-To: <004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>
	<004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>

The "Qualified Expert" who's opinion was posted.

I just got done cleaning out my email,so the original posting was 
deleted....laziness on my part not to put 'his' name in.

                                             all apologies

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 30 06:59:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:59:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SixM John
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV84F4A4B884158DF0165EEBB4A0@phx.gbl>

Ref pix:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/514114362/514128961oSiTVP

I once asked John:  "What is Ria implying with that ear of corn held up like 
that.  Does it have anything to do with "Put that damn camera down and get 
over here and help or else it's going where the sun never shines?"

  His reply was: "Yea Rick, that pretty much sums it up:-)" 


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Nov 30 10:29:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:29:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <20051130181425.9300.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051130181425.9300.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438DEF6F.1090705@imc-group.com>

Hey Steve, that is NEAT! I can picture you lusting over this. For size 
reference, do you know the size oiler this is?

I've heard of salesmen samples for other products but never for engines.
Does anyone know of other brands of salesmen sample gas engines that 
were made?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Barr wrote:

>Curt
>
>I have known of Reg's engine for a few years now....but don't have it on
>the photo list page.
>
>Did you see this little salesman's sample Challenge????
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/86.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/87.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/88.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/89.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/90.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/91.jpg
>
>The family that has it will not sell it :(  and they have had it for many
>years.  Made all from castings.  I don't know of any others...I tried
>talking Reg into making one for me, but it hasn't happened yet...I need to
>keep on him...  
>
>I think that I will put pics of the sample on the Challenge page (just
>updated yesterday).
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/Challenge/Challenge.htm
>
>It is about time to break the photo page apart due to the size of it for
>those on dialup.  62 engines + a few more that I am waiting for pictures
>of.
>
>Steve
>
>--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks Luke. You're even faster than Steve Barr at finding Challenge 
>>engines! :-)
>>Curt
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Curt,
>>>
>>>There are pictures of them on his web page. Here they are:
>>>
>>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challenge.htm
>>>
>>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challengem.htm
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>    
>>



From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com  Wed Nov 30 10:45:05 2005
From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:45:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <200511301700.jAUH05Hi017253@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BFB34F51.7F7D%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>

I read of John's passing with great sadness. I had the pleasure of meeting
John and Ria at the Root & VanDervoort reunion in 2003. Intelligent,
knowledgeable and soft-spoken, John was a true engine man and a fine human
being. What a loss for Ria and family, let alone the engine community.
Richard Backus/Gas Engine Magazine 




From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Nov 30 11:45:47 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:45:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BFB34F51.7F7D%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>
Message-ID: <200511301946.jAUJjwcs059609@mail-gw.fsr.net>

A man of John's stature in the antique engine community deserves mention in
the GEM "In Memoriam" section.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Backus
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:45 AM
To: SEL
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink

I read of John's passing with great sadness. I had the pleasure of meeting
John and Ria at the Root & VanDervoort reunion in 2003. Intelligent,
knowledgeable and soft-spoken, John was a true engine man and a fine human
being. What a loss for Ria and family, let alone the engine community.
Richard Backus/Gas Engine Magazine 


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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Nov 30 13:06:00 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <438DEF6F.1090705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt

There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
Kenny Wolf called it as it was his.  It was very cool...even the chain
drive mag worked.

4 Pics on my Rollag Gas Engine Page ~80% Down
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rollag1.htm

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rollag/engine/86.jpg

Steve

--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:

> Hey Steve, that is NEAT! I can picture you lusting over this. For size 
> reference, do you know the size oiler this is?
> 
> I've heard of salesmen samples for other products but never for engines.
> Does anyone know of other brands of salesmen sample gas engines that 
> were made?
> 
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Steve Barr wrote:
> 
> >Curt
> >
> >I have known of Reg's engine for a few years now....but don't have it
> on
> >the photo list page.
> >
> >Did you see this little salesman's sample Challenge????
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/86.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/87.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/88.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/89.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/90.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/91.jpg
> >
> >The family that has it will not sell it :(  and they have had it for
> many
> >years.  Made all from castings.  I don't know of any others...I tried
> >talking Reg into making one for me, but it hasn't happened yet...I need
> to
> >keep on him...  
> >
> >I think that I will put pics of the sample on the Challenge page (just
> >updated yesterday).
> >
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/Challenge/Challenge.htm
> >
> >It is about time to break the photo page apart due to the size of it
> for
> >those on dialup.  62 engines + a few more that I am waiting for
> pictures
> >of.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Thanks Luke. You're even faster than Steve Barr at finding Challenge 
> >>engines! :-)
> >>Curt
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hi Curt,
> >>>
> >>>There are pictures of them on his web page. Here they are:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challenge.htm
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challengem.htm
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>    
> >>
> 
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Nov 30 14:03:18 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:03:18 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net><004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I knew you would ask me that Michael. Unfortunately I did not catch the name 
but he was an Australian who was involved in a big way with the petroleum 
industry overseas. However if you feel inclined do a search on Google 
....Peak Oil Supply?
Any number of ''Experts'' pop up.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?


> The "Qualified Expert" who's opinion was posted.
>
> I just got done cleaning out my email,so the original posting was
> deleted....laziness on my part not to put 'his' name in.
>
>                                             all apologies
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 30 14:15:39 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:15:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438E248B.4030300@scrtc.com>

Steve, 
    It was the real McCoy.  It came out of South America and was owned 
by a gent in FL for a number of years.  I tried to purchase it but could 
never work a deal (Kenny has a "slicker" tongue than me I guess).  I've 
also seen salesman samples of the Type A Olds, Stickney, Hagan and 
Olin.  I'm sure there are several more out there.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Curt
>
>There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
>Kenny Wolf called it as it was his.  It was very cool...even the chain
>drive mag worked.
>  
>
>
>  
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 14:52:42 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:52:42 EST
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
Message-ID: <12d.69ea5ad7.30bf873a@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
stevebarr at ameritech.net writes:

<< There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
 Kenny Wolf called it as it was his >>


Steve,

Do you know if Kenny had bought this engine from a man in Florida?  I set up 
several years at Kinsers with some folks from Florida (Dick ?), He kept this 
salesman engine in his motor home and rarely got it out.  I have pictures of it 
somewhere in my junk.  He had bought it from the son of the man that sold the 
engines and it had made a trip to South America and back.  The last I heard 
he had turned down $40,000 for it.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 30 14:56:57 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051130225657.70694.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

I noticed on one of the photos the brand name of  "Flour City".  Rochester (where I live) is now nicknamed the  "Flower City" but, years back, it was know as the "Flour City" because  of the Genesee River waterfalls that powered the mills.  Is it  possible that this engine could have been made in these parts?
  JM

Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Curt

There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
Kenny Wolf called it as it was his.  It was very cool...even the chain
drive mag worked.

4 Pics on my Rollag Gas Engine Page ~80% Down
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rollag1.htm

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rollag/engine/86.jpg

Steve

--- Curt  wrote:

> Hey Steve, that is NEAT! I can picture you lusting over this. For size 
> reference, do you know the size oiler this is?
> 
> I've heard of salesmen samples for other products but never for engines.
> Does anyone know of other brands of salesmen sample gas engines that 
> were made?
> 
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Steve Barr wrote:
> 
> >Curt
> >
> >I have known of Reg's engine for a few years now....but don't have it
> on
> >the photo list page.
> >
> >Did you see this little salesman's sample Challenge????
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/86.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/87.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/88.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/89.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/90.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/91.jpg
> >
> >The family that has it will not sell it :(  and they have had it for
> many
> >years.  Made all from castings.  I don't know of any others...I tried
> >talking Reg into making one for me, but it hasn't happened yet...I need
> to
> >keep on him...  
> >
> >I think that I will put pics of the sample on the Challenge page (just
> >updated yesterday).
> >
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/Challenge/Challenge.htm
> >
> >It is about time to break the photo page apart due to the size of it
> for
> >those on dialup.  62 engines + a few more that I am waiting for
> pictures
> >of.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >--- Curt  wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Thanks Luke. You're even faster than Steve Barr at finding Challenge 
> >>engines! :-)
> >>Curt
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hi Curt,
> >>>
> >>>There are pictures of them on his web page. Here they are:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challenge.htm
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challengem.htm
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>    
> >>
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 15:00:12 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:00:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
Message-ID: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2005 5:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<< It came out of South America and was owned 
 by a gent in FL for a number of years. >>

Tommy,

I just remembered that the last owner was named Dick Herzog, Nokomis, Fl.  I 
have not had contact with him since Kinsers kicked all the motor homes out of 
the engine display area.  He was pretty upset that year and vowed never to 
come back.  He and his wife were nice folks and Millie and enjoyed visiting with 
them at Kinsers every year.  Do not know what you offered him for it, but he 
told me that he had turned down $40,000.


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 30 16:15:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:15:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>
References: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438E40AE.7090106@scrtc.com>


Tom,  

    We talked some serious bills on it.  But, I don't think he really 
wanted to sell it at the time.  He passed away and his son ended up with 
it.  He and I chatted once about it but he could never settle on a price 
and wanted me and some others to "make offers" on it.  I told him to put 
it on ebay and then the world could make offers on it.  I didn't hear 
anymore about it until Kenny got it last year.  Its a small pile of iron 
worth a big pile of money.  I have one of the Callahan models that Harry 
Cooper made (he used my 4 HP to scale from).  Its almost identical in 
size (maybe 1/8" difference in the flywheel diameter) to the one Kenny 
has.  I'll throw it out behind the barn and in 10 years, I'll have a 
Salesman Sample (well, at least it would look like one).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>In a message dated 11/30/2005 5:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
><< It came out of South America and was owned 
> by a gent in FL for a number of years. >>
>
>Tommy,
>
>I just remembered that the last owner was named Dick Herzog, Nokomis, Fl.  I 
>have not had contact with him since Kinsers kicked all the motor homes out of 
>the engine display area.  He was pretty upset that year and vowed never to 
>come back.  He and his wife were nice folks and Millie and enjoyed visiting with 
>them at Kinsers every year.  Do not know what you offered him for it, but he 
>told me that he had turned down $40,000.
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov 30 16:23:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:23:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <438E40AE.7090106@scrtc.com>
References: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>
 <438E40AE.7090106@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051130192243.0cbb6b90@mail.alltel.net>


>  I'll throw it out behind the barn and in 10 years, I'll have a Salesman 
> Sample (well, at least it would look like one).
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 30 16:34:22 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:34:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <045c01c5f573$b5b63ab0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <04b501c5f60e$faee8d80$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Hola, amigos!
I just got off the phone with Dale Portell.  He's the guy who manufactures
Kwik-Poly to the same specifications using the same suppliers that Harold used.
He seems like a nice guy and a gentleman.  AND... his stuff resists gasoline
just like the Kwik-Poly from years ago.  At least that's what I've been told.  

Dale welcomes orders from antique engine enthusiasts.  You can call him
directly.  

Dale Portell
4123 Chartley Drive 
Bridgeton , MO  63044 

(314) 344-8881     














From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov 30 15:59:06 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:59:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
In-Reply-To: <003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>
	<004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>
	<003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051130185756.0cb22670@mail.alltel.net>

Now there's a lot of BS if I ever heard it!
         Dave

At 05:03 PM 11/30/2005, you wrote:
>I knew you would ask me that Michael. Unfortunately I did not catch the 
>name but he was an Australian who was involved in a big way with the 
>petroleum industry overseas. However if you feel inclined do a search on 
>Google ....Peak Oil Supply?
>Any number of ''Experts'' pop up.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak" 
><guitronics at comcast.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
>
>
>>The "Qualified Expert" who's opinion was posted.
>>
>>I just got done cleaning out my email,so the original posting was
>>deleted....laziness on my part not to put 'his' name in.
>>
>>                                             all apologies
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 17:09:26 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:09:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
Message-ID: <e4.76150f71.30bfa746@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2005 7:24:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<<  But, I don't think he really 
 wanted to sell it at the time. >>

Tommy,

Dick did not want to sell at that time as he said that he did not need the 
money and if it was worth that kind of money to someone it was worth that to him 
also.  Dick would save us a space to set up my trailer in front of his motor 
home at Kinsers and over a couple of years I spent several hours in his motor 
home looking over the engine.  It was a real beauty, somethng that you feel 
fortunate to have seen and put your hands on once in your life.  I probably ran 
my fingers over every inch of it in total amazement that exacting salesman 
samples had been made of an engine.  If the truth is known I probably drooled 
slobber a few times too.  HA!  I never asked Dick if it was for sale as I knew it 
was way out of my league.  I will have to see if I can find my photos of it.

I believe Dick told me that some wanted to take his and get precise 
measurements to make them, but I do not know if this ever occurred.  Seems he might 
have been talking about the Kinsers club or something.  I do know that the last 
time at Kinsers he had to fight his way in with the motor home and as the week 
progressed he became more bitter about it, and when he pulled out he said he 
would never be back after going there for a long time.  

I am very sorry to learn about his passing.  Millie and I spent many days 
together at Kinsers with them.  She and Millie would head out one day and do some 
shopping together.  

You might consider putting your model in the barn rather than out behind it, 
as it would probably make a better "salesman sample" being kept inside!!!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 30 17:20:49 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BFB34F51.7F7D%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F27FFD5D6943958E4756853954D0@phx.gbl>




  I feel very fortunate to have met such a fine man in person at Portland a 
few years ago, and to have been able to enjoy and learn from his deep 
knowledge of  engines and all things mechanical. He will be greatly missed 
in the engine community and all other areas that his life touched. He gave 
me a pin for my hat from the Nuenen Show that will now be a special reminder 
of him. Thank you John for all that you shared with us. Steve Royster




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Nov 30 19:21:17 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:21:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F27FFD5D6943958E4756853954D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F27FFD5D6943958E4756853954D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <10a31fc5aba2dba15ba693aa3bfe8f4b@chartertn.net>

Not only I, but my whole family are deeply saddened by the news of 
John's death. He and Ria visited with us here once, and my wife and 
children liked them and enjoyed their visit very much. My daughter 
Jennifer took it very hard. John gave her her first job as an artist, 
commissioning her to draw an engine-themed  Christmas card for him 
several years ago. She still wears the T?shirt he gave her for that 
job.

I've long enjoyed corresponding with John on and off of the engine 
list, and have had the pleasure of visiting with him and Ria at 
Portland on several occasions. He was a kind and generous man, with a 
gentle sense of humor. I've pointed many people who E-mailed me with 
International engine questions to John, as I regarded him as the 
world's foremost expert on these engines.

He will be sorely missed. There's nobody capable of "filling his shoes."

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 07:02:13 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <20051101.100215.1024.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks for the suggestion George.
And also - Orin & RickinMt.

My first concern with stick welding is that I'd blow through it.
The sides feel to be only around 1/8 inch or so.

I would have more luck brazing but then expansion might do more damage.

Right now I'm thinking JB Weld.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
\/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 08:03:11 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:03:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
Message-ID: <20051101.110314.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>


Hi Guys,
Orrin - Rick - George & others

Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
Yellow Dog 
runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
about 1/32 wide,
down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
being at the spout.

JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
before.

Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
manufactures it ?

Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.

It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
while welding on the outside.

Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
through if I try stick welding.

OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?

I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  1 09:02:50 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:02:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
In-Reply-To: <20051101.110314.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F26B2F9AD4C6379618E392AC86F0@phx.gbl>

Here is some info on the rod Joe.

http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/castweld.htm

http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/2004-November/003607.html

http://weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: jlb94 at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:03:11 -0500
>
>
>Hi Guys,
>Orrin - Rick - George & others
>
>Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
>Yellow Dog
>runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
>about 1/32 wide,
>down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
>being at the spout.
>
>JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
>before.
>
>Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
>manufactures it ?
>
>Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.
>
>It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
>while welding on the outside.
>
>Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
>through if I try stick welding.
>
>OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?
>
>I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
>  \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz




From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za  Tue Nov  1 11:20:50 2005
From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue,  1 Nov 2005 21:20:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <200511012120.AA28115266@cyberserv.co.za>

Joe Betz wrote:     "For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few lanterns." 


Hi All, Excuse my ignorance but what is a "yellow dog". We don't celebrate Haloween here! Regards Jerry in S.A.
 




________________________________________________________________
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Tue Nov  1 11:51:58 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:51:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
Message-ID: <000c01c5df1e$4a531920$666a0b42@computer>

Joe,
  See Luke's response.  Danville Ill. store is willing to sell in small
quantities.  The rod is good per some welding gurus I know.  I'm told it
goes on like butter.  It was use to weld upo a Reid relief valve for me.
Good Luck  George
-----Original Message-----
From: jlb94 at juno.com <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog


>
>Hi Guys,
>Orrin - Rick - George & others
>
>Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
>Yellow Dog
>runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
>about 1/32 wide,
>down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
>being at the spout.
>
>JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
>before.
>
>Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
>manufactures it ?
>
>Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.
>
>It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
>while welding on the outside.
>
>Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
>through if I try stick welding.
>
>OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?
>
>I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
> \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
> (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Tue Nov  1 14:45:42 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (jswaite)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:45:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1
References: <200511011700.jA1H04CK026754@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <005101c5df35$fd6a9ad0$0300a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:44:37 -0500
From: jlb94 at juno.com
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Message-ID: <20051031.204439.316.0.jlb94 at juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

DAMN !!!

For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple Yellow Dogs and a few
lanterns.

The Nat'l Supply dog I have has a crack that looks like it might extend
from the top ridge, down along
the spout and to the bottom and  ( Maybe ) extending around the bottom
about  one third of the circumfrence.


Please help me .....

What is a "Yellow Dog"?


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)
Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid!



From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Nov  1 14:53:56 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:53:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F26B2F9AD4C6379618E392AC86F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4harpn$590mik@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

My choice out on this page  http://weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm
would be the 700 because its pure nickel. My next choice would be the 755
which has copper with the nickel. We use a copper/nickel MIG wire for
welding cast iron in mining equipment repairs. You need to do a normal prep
and preheat to around 150C and peen the weld. Keep it hot by wrapping up in
a welding blanket or similar overnight.I recently used it to weld some cast
wheels with cracked spokes for a engine cart and despite the cast being
badly corroded and thin in places it was a complete success. Being able to
buy it in electrode form is a bonus  as you can buy a small quantity. For 17
kilo's of wire it costs me around $1700.00
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke
Tonneberger
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2005 1:03 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: RE: [SEL] Cracked Dog

Here is some info on the rod Joe.

http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/castweld.htm

http://www.stationary-engine.com/pipermail/sel/2004-November/003607.html

http://weldmold.com/copper__nickel_alloy.htm

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: jlb94 at juno.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:03:11 -0500
>
>
>Hi Guys,
>Orrin - Rick - George & others
>
>Well - - - After further examination - I see that the crack in this
>Yellow Dog
>runs from a hairline at the top of the dog, down around the spout at
>about 1/32 wide,
>down around 1/3 of the bottom at a hairline crack again. The widest part
>being at the spout.
>
>JB Weld is still a consideration but it looks like this crack was filled
>before.
>
>Can you give me more info on this 706 (?) rod for welding cast and who
>manufactures it ?
>
>Other than that I might try brazing. If I can get it clean enough.
>
>It wouldn't be hard to pre-heat as I could run a propane torch inside
>while welding on the outside.
>
>Still - The thinness of the sides scares me as I don't want to "blow"
>through if I try stick welding.
>
>OTOH  - - - Has anyone tried Soldering cast ?
>
>I don't need strength - I just want to seal it.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
>the one
>  \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
>Bear Arms."
>  (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Nov  1 16:56:49 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:56:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
References: <200511012120.AA28115266@cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <010f01c5df48$503c84f0$8c4c6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Jerry,

A yellow dog is a type of lantern or lamp that was used in the oil fields in 
the eastern part of the U.S.  It is made of cast iron and is sort of like a 
pitcher with two spouts.  Each spout has a wick and the pot was filled with 
crude oil.  When burning the light has a yellow cast  They were also used 
for other things besides lamps, I have heard of using them to melt and pour 
babbitt and they probably became coffee pots on occasion.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at cyberserv.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:20 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked


Joe Betz wrote:     "For Halloween tonight, I decided to burn a couple 
Yellow Dogs and a few lanterns."


Hi All, Excuse my ignorance but what is a "yellow dog". We don't celebrate 
Haloween here! Regards Jerry in S.A.





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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 19:43:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:43:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <005101c5df35$fd6a9ad0$0300a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <200511011700.jA1H04CK026754@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<005101c5df35$fd6a9ad0$0300a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511011943h7e615d16q1fc3e56471e700f3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/05, jswaite <marshallman at iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> Please help me .....
>
> What is a "Yellow Dog"?
>
>
> Jim

Jim:

It's a double-ended oil-burning wick type light which burns oil. Think
of the lamp you rub to get the Genie out of, but with two spouts, not
one.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 21:14:29 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:14:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked
Message-ID: <20051102.002556.1372.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi All, Excuse my ignorance but what is a "yellow dog". We don't
celebrate Haloween here! Regards Jerry in S.A.
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        

Hi Jerry,
Sorry for not getting back sooner.
I just got in and am now reading e-mails.

On Halloween we decorate the front yard and kids dress up in costume and
go door-to-door and ask for 
treats (candy).  (You probably know that.)

In my display I use 2 Yellow Dog Lanterns - Among other stuff.
(You can go to my Webshots Album and look under "Toys" - page 3 - and
there is a Yellow Dog Lantern
close to the bottom picture.
It is a 2 spouted lantern (similar to a large "Tea Pot")  used on the oil
wells for light.
They are said to have gotten the name Yellow Dog because - when lit - and
from a distance - they looked like 
the 2 yellow eyes of a dog.  I have also heard that they were painted
Yellow and got the name that way.
But - I've never seen a yellow one.
They were also used as "Babbit Pots" depending on what way the wire
handle was located.
Check out the "Toys" - page 3 - in my Webshots.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov  1 21:19:27 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:19:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1
Message-ID: <20051102.002556.1372.5.jlb94@juno.com>

What is a "Yellow Dog"?

Hi Jim,

See the e-mail I sent to the list concerning my Community Webshots -
"Toys" - page 3
there are 2 or 3 pic of a yellow dog.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Nov  1 21:44:45 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:44:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Carb
Message-ID: <20051102054554.B43CD240826@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hello everyone, Does anyone know if The early "Beehive Carbs were reproduced
or if they are still available? I have located a source for the more common
version  ,but would like to find the correct type for a 01 "T" . Thanks for
any information. Jimmy O'Hagan

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Nov  2 03:39:24 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:39:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Sandwich eng help
Message-ID: <110220051139.12124.4368A56C0003A90400002F5C21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Again I could use some more help with my Sandwich 1 1/2hp eng.  I need to see 
a arial pic (looking down over eng) of the rigging of speed control and gear 
asy.  I believe that I may be missing some parts.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov  2 06:21:25 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:21:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  A while back I posted a similiar picture of the rolled I-beam with "Jones 
& Laughlins" rolled into it.  Here's a pix I took yesterday..sorry for the 
focus:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/494028266iYFELd

Well the other day, friend Corky got a book on Lineshafting and such:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/491988576/491988576tWimdS

and it looks like not only did they do lineshafting equipment but also did 
trucks:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/491981832/491981832ZpdjAv

and wheels:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/491989840/491989840YopUJH

So possibly J&L built the early style trucks for Galloway.

My sawing outfit is possibly an add on..and rolled into it is "Illinois."..

Do any of you see Jones and Laughlins on your trucks, especially the post 
1916 models.

I believe both companies became Pittsburg Steel or American Steel...one of 
those.

Well I found it interesting..hope ya did the same

Regards
RickinMt. 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov  2 06:36:49 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:36:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Video Editing Software
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511020933070.40178@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Since we sometimes do take video of running engines, this isn't totally
off topic.  I'm looking for suggestions from those of you who have
experience with video editing software.

What I have are high-res .avi files that are the video captured using my
SnakeEye camera during power plant walk downs captured to a Sony GV-D1000
digital video cassette recorder.  When off loaded to the PC the files are
big (10 min. video is 2.2 GB).  Size isn't really the issue, but the dreck
is.  There's a LOT on the video that I need to cut out as it adds zero
value and really gets in the way.

I downloaded an evaluation copy of AVS Video Editor.
http://www.avsmedia.com/

It works well for the capture part of the process, but (so far) has proven
to not be useful for editing (despite the name).

I also have an interest in capturing stills from the video.
Any suggestions there?

I'm not looking to be a sophisticated movie maker, I don't need glitzy
transitions or special effects.  I just want to be able to cut sections
out to keep and join up with other sections or toss into the bit bucket;
depending on what they are.

Please reply off-list if you feel that the info won't be useful to the
general list readership.  Thanks.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Nov  2 07:28:45 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Tractor/Engine Auction this Sat in Plano, IL
Message-ID: <20051102152845.41908.qmail@web80610.mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone else going to this sale?

Sale bill that I scanned:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/auctionreports/auction11_5.jpg

Auctioneer's web page:
http://www.meyer-wegenerauctions.com/nov5.htm

More photos (link is incorrect on auctioneer's web page):
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4337819&a=31938285&f





From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Nov  2 07:45:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Dog
Message-ID: <20051102.110407.1328.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Luke for the info,

Gee - I forgot all about Dolly's list.
(Sorry Dolly)

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov  2 09:31:06 2005
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:31:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL]  Video Editing Software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511020933070.40178@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BF8E37DA.C74F%kgarcia@rustyiron.com>

Simple - iMovie!  Then add to that iDVD and you'll have the best damn
presentations in the office!
And to help you get started, http://www.apple.com/macmini/ and
http://www.apple.com/ilife/imovie/
If you work it right, you can claim it as a business expense.
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA

PS. Once you go Mac, you never go back
PPS. You knew this was coming, didn't ya...




On 11/2/05 6:36 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Since we sometimes do take video of running engines, this isn't totally
> off topic.  I'm looking for suggestions from those of you who have
> experience with video editing software.
> 
> What I have are high-res .avi files that are the video captured using my
> SnakeEye camera during power plant walk downs captured to a Sony GV-D1000
> digital video cassette recorder.  When off loaded to the PC the files are
> big (10 min. video is 2.2 GB).  Size isn't really the issue, but the dreck
> is.  There's a LOT on the video that I need to cut out as it adds zero
> value and really gets in the way.
> 
> I downloaded an evaluation copy of AVS Video Editor.
> http://www.avsmedia.com/
> 
> It works well for the capture part of the process, but (so far) has proven
> to not be useful for editing (despite the name).
> 
> I also have an interest in capturing stills from the video.
> Any suggestions there?
> 
> I'm not looking to be a sophisticated movie maker, I don't need glitzy
> transitions or special effects.  I just want to be able to cut sections
> out to keep and join up with other sections or toss into the bit bucket;
> depending on what they are.
> 
> Please reply off-list if you feel that the info won't be useful to the
> general list readership.  Thanks.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 02:38:40 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:38:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>

Jones and Lauthlin was an integrated steel maker with plants in Pittsburgh & 
Aliquippa, PA and Cleveland, Ohio.  They did have a side business of making 
lineshafting and wheels etc. but it was miniscule compared to their main 
product line which includes steel angles, channels, sheets, plates and 
seamless pipe.  The building which we rent for storage has Jones and 
Laughlin rolled into the angles in its framework and it was built in 1916. 
Jones and Laughlins spelled with the S is much older.  According to my 
information the S was dropped from the name in 1902 when the company was 
reorganized.  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled 
in 02 or 03 when the worn out rolls were changed out.

An interesting bit of trivia is that your steel would most certainly have 
been rolled on a mill powered by engines very similar to our Tod Engine.

Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie Illinois 
Steel and eventually part of United States Steel. It would have been rolled 
in a mill in the Chicago District but I have seen products rolled in the 40s 
still labeled Carnegie Illinois so thats impossible to date.

It is more plausible that Galloway cast their own wheels and purchased steel 
from J&L instead of J&L building the carts.

One of my interests is collecting steel sections with names rolled into it. 
I have tons of pipe with "Youngstown" rolled into it as well as Bethlehem, 
J&L, US Steel etc.  I think the rarest is the name "Pencoyd" rolled into a 
small I beam.  Nothing like good old American made steel!   Even have a 
slice cut from the first railroad rail rolled in Youngstown at Republic 
Steel in 1905.  That mill was powered by a Tod engine and I have a copy of 
the contract between William Tod Co. and Republic to build the engine.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "John Cullom" <jcullom at adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Howdy all;
>  A while back I posted a similiar picture of the rolled I-beam with "Jones 
> & Laughlins" rolled into it.  Here's a pix I took yesterday..sorry for the 
> focus:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/494028266iYFELd
>
> Well the other day, friend Corky got a book on Lineshafting and such:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/491988576/491988576tWimdS
>
> and it looks like not only did they do lineshafting equipment but also did 
> trucks:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/491981832/491981832ZpdjAv
>
> and wheels:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/491989840/491989840YopUJH
>
> So possibly J&L built the early style trucks for Galloway.
>
> My sawing outfit is possibly an add on..and rolled into it is 
> "Illinois."..
>
> Do any of you see Jones and Laughlins on your trucks, especially the post 
> 1916 models.
>
> I believe both companies became Pittsburg Steel or American Steel...one of 
> those.
>
> Well I found it interesting..hope ya did the same
>
> Regards
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 03:32:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 04:32:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
	<012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV71BE02F19173847E19535BB610@phx.gbl>

Thanks Rick...very educational.

Regards
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Jones and Lauthlin was an integrated steel maker with plants in Pittsburgh 
> &
> Aliquippa, PA and Cleveland, Ohio.  They did have a side business of 
> making
> lineshafting and wheels etc. but it was miniscule compared to their main
> product line which includes steel angles, channels, sheets, plates and
> seamless pipe.  The building which we rent for storage has Jones and
> Laughlin rolled into the angles in its framework and it was built in 1916.
> Jones and Laughlins spelled with the S is much older.  According to my
> information the S was dropped from the name in 1902 when the company was
> reorganized.  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled
> in 02 or 03 when the worn out rolls were changed out.
>
> An interesting bit of trivia is that your steel would most certainly have
> been rolled on a mill powered by engines very similar to our Tod Engine.
>
> Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie Illinois
> Steel and eventually part of United States Steel. It would have been 
> rolled
> in a mill in the Chicago District but I have seen products rolled in the 
> 40s
> still labeled Carnegie Illinois so thats impossible to date.
>
> It is more plausible that Galloway cast their own wheels and purchased 
> steel
> from J&L instead of J&L building the carts.
>
> One of my interests is collecting steel sections with names rolled into 
> it.
> I have tons of pipe with "Youngstown" rolled into it as well as Bethlehem,
> J&L, US Steel etc.  I think the rarest is the name "Pencoyd" rolled into a
> small I beam.  Nothing like good old American made steel!   Even have a
> slice cut from the first railroad rail rolled in Youngstown at Republic
> Steel in 1905.  That mill was powered by a Tod engine and I have a copy of
> the contract between William Tod Co. and Republic to build the engine.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "John Cullom" <jcullom at adelphia.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:21 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
>
>
> > Howdy all;
> >  A while back I posted a similiar picture of the rolled I-beam with 
> > "Jones
> > & Laughlins" rolled into it.  Here's a pix I took yesterday..sorry for 
> > the
> > focus:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/494028266iYFELd
> >
> > Well the other day, friend Corky got a book on Lineshafting and such:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/491988576/491988576tWimdS
> >
> > and it looks like not only did they do lineshafting equipment but also 
> > did
> > trucks:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/491981832/491981832ZpdjAv
> >
> > and wheels:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/491989840/491989840YopUJH
> >
> > So possibly J&L built the early style trucks for Galloway.
> >
> > My sawing outfit is possibly an add on..and rolled into it is
> > "Illinois."..
> >
> > Do any of you see Jones and Laughlins on your trucks, especially the 
> > post
> > 1916 models.
> >
> > I believe both companies became Pittsburg Steel or American Steel...one 
> > of
> > those.
> >
> > Well I found it interesting..hope ya did the same
> >
> > Regards
> > RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Nov  3 04:34:40 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:34:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
In-Reply-To: <012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
	<012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <436A03E0.7020109@imc-group.com>

Rick,
Any idea of when the name change from Illinois to Carnegie Illinois 
occurred?
Curt Holland
Gastionia, NC


Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie 
> Illinois Steel and eventually part of United States Steel.




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 04:51:00 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:51:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
In-Reply-To: <012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F393FE267D7024F005F5DA5C8610@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick,

When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still 
'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 6 
feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it interesting 
that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's picture was a 
first.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>
>  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 03 
>when the worn out rolls were changed out.
>

>
>Rick Rowlands
>Tod Engine Foundation
>2261 Hubbard Road
>Youngstown, OH  44505
>330-728-2799
>www.todengine.org
>
>William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
>Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov  3 06:04:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:04:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY103-F393FE267D7024F005F5DA5C8610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV21A43427B3B19564494E42BB610@phx.gbl>

Here's the "Illinois" on the sawing outfit attach..it is raised lettering:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Hi Rick,
>
> When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still
> 'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 
> 6
> feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it interesting
> that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's picture was 
> a
> first.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ====================
>
> >From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> >
> >  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 
> > 03
> >when the worn out rolls were changed out.
> >
>
> >
> >Rick Rowlands
> >Tod Engine Foundation
> >2261 Hubbard Road
> >Youngstown, OH  44505
> >330-728-2799
> >www.todengine.org
> >
> >William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> >Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 06:39:50 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:39:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
Message-ID: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>

I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a hit and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom

From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Nov  3 06:46:32 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:46:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV21A43427B3B19564494E42BB610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051103084630.SM01064@wrbpc>

I found Illinois embossed into the angle irons that comprise the frame of
the 1939 John Deere H that I am restoring.  The font was slanted, as I
recall, but not as stylized as what I see on Rick's Galloway saw rig.  It
was not in the same place on the 2 sides, which would make me think it was
embossed periodically on longer pieces which were then cut to size.  The
letters were raised, how did they do that?  Not very high, with a coat of
primer and then paint they are hard to detect.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:05 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light

Here's the "Illinois" on the sawing outfit attach..it is raised lettering:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/450795558/466494655WdByZF

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Hi Rick,
>
> When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still
> 'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 
> 6
> feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it interesting
> that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's picture was 
> a
> first.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ====================
>
> >From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> >
> >  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 
> > 03
> >when the worn out rolls were changed out.
> >
>
> >
> >Rick Rowlands
> >Tod Engine Foundation
> >2261 Hubbard Road
> >Youngstown, OH  44505
> >330-728-2799
> >www.todengine.org
> >
> >William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> >Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 07:19:56 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:19:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
Message-ID: <20051103.102035.1340.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Tom,
I'll try to answer your questions.

I adjust my oilers to drip once every 15 seconds or so.  
        You will have to try different settings and see what's best for
the engine.
I give my grease caps a "twist" (about a half turn) each day of running.
        If they feel dry or give no resistance maybe turn them a little
more.
        You really don't want grease ozzing out the sides of the
bearings.
        Too much grease will fling off while running and could get on
peoples clothes.
        Of course - Too much doesn't hurt the engine.
As for the depressions - I'm not familiar with the Stover -  Are they
deep enough to insert some wicking?  
        The wick could be soaked with oil and allow enough seepage to oil
the bearing.
        Or - they might just be a way to apply oil.  If so, I would oil
at least daily while running.
Hope this helps.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com   - - -     www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 \/)"(\/         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."
 (_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz

        


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov  3 08:02:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:02:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
In-Reply-To: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
References: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511031053380.61577@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

The rule of thumb for cylinder oilers on engines that aren't being
"worked" is one drop per minute per horsepower.  Double that if you have
the engine belted up doing work.  Typically most folks just use plain 30
weight oil, although some do a mix adding Marvel Mystery Oil to get a
pretty color in the oiler.

Give the grease cups a turn at the start of the day as a part of your
"inspect & oil up" routine.

Depending on the size of the wells in the main bearing caps, you may or
may not want to add some cotton waste to help retain the oil.  Another
useful thing to use are those cotton thingies that the dentist pokes in
between your cheek and gum.  I like to use 90 weight gear oil in main
bearing oil wells.

Hope that helps and WELCOME to the list and a great hobby!!

When you have a chance, tell us more about yourself and your engines.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote:

> I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask
> anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a
> hit and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod
> bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing
> caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 08:29:19 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:29:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
In-Reply-To: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F27509D021C54F5418E3A7AC8610@phx.gbl>

Tom,

The cylinder oiler should be set to drip one drop per minute per horsepower. 
So, for a 5hp engine it should drip once every 12 seconds. You'll find that 
this is probably too fast of a rate. This is for a working engine. For an 
engine loafing along at a show you can decrease this amount quite a bit. 
Joe's suggestion is about right. A drop every 15 seconds or so. It's not 
real critical. If oil is puking out the back and flinging all over the place 
then it is too much. If your piston and cylinder look dry while the engine 
is running then it is not enough.

I will stop my engines every two or three hours and turn the grease cup on 
the connecting rod. I turn it enough so I can just see it starting to ooze 
out the sides. More is better I feel. I have a little plastic stick that I 
use to fill the grease cups. I usually will scrape the used excess grease 
from the sides of the bearings with my plastic stick and apply it to my 
gears.


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

====================

>From: "Tom Dunlap" <tdunlap at satx.rr.com>
>
>I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask 
>anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a hit 
>and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod 
>bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing 
>caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom




From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Thu Nov  3 11:54:56 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
Message-ID: <7797458.1131047697175.JavaMail.root@web09ps>

Hi guys,
            was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???

Thanks so much,
                        Adam


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Thu Nov  3 13:27:18 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:27:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <7797458.1131047697175.JavaMail.root@web09ps>
Message-ID: <006c01c5e0bd$5f558c90$e8e94c0c@D48VHZ61>

Don't know of anyone but could you make a rubber template and sandblast it 
on the oiler yourself?

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


> Hi guys,
>            was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses 
> for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>
> Thanks so much,
>                        Adam
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 13:37:48 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:37:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY103-F393FE267D7024F005F5DA5C8610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c5e0be$d6820360$64bed2cc@pengy>

The finishing stand of the mill had the name ground into the roll in reverse 
so that when that part of the roll made the final squeeze on the steel shape 
the name would also get put on.  The name was repeated every so many feet, 
depending upon the size of the mill.  Mills are rated by roll diameter, so 
take the diameter and find the circumference and you'll find the spacing of 
the names.

Embossing company Identification on steel shapes is extremely common around 
here, but then again I live in the industrial ground zero of America. 
Railroad rail has quite a bit of data rolled into the side of it aside from 
the manufacturer's identification.  By looking at the markings I can tell 
you what size rail it is, its weight per foot, month and year it was rolled, 
plant it was rolled at, if it had any special heat treatment and then by 
looking on the otherside of the rail I could give you the heat number.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Hi Rick,
>
> When the names were rolled into the steel was this done while it was still 
> 'hot'? Do you know if the name was applied at an even distance, say every 
> 6 feet, or was it applied on every piece that was cut? I find it 
> interesting that manufactures did this. I've never seen it before, Rick's 
> picture was a first.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ====================
>
>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>
>>  So probably the last steel with the S in the name was rolled in 02 or 03 
>> when the worn out rolls were changed out.
>>
>
>>
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Tod Engine Foundation
>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>330-728-2799
>>www.todengine.org
>>
>>William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
>>Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 13:38:23 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:38:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light
References: <BAY5-DAV22420F73DB36B2EEFDA4E0BB6E0@phx.gbl>
	<012a01c5e062$c1622a20$64bed2cc@pengy>
	<436A03E0.7020109@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5e0be$eaa706b0$64bed2cc@pengy>

I seem to think it was in the 1950s but I am not certain.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Early Galloway trucks re-visited..possibly some new light


> Rick,
> Any idea of when the name change from Illinois to Carnegie Illinois 
> occurred?
> Curt Holland
> Gastionia, NC
>
>
> Rick Rowlands wrote:
>
>> Illinois stands for Illinois Steel Company which became Carnegie Illinois 
>> Steel and eventually part of United States Steel.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 13:41:33 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:41:33 EST
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <1d6.48fd4ca5.309bde0d@aol.com>

Hi List,
I finally go the Economy to start with the crank.  However,  after it runs 
for about 15 minutes, the engine stops as a result of the spark  plug fouling.  
To get it to start again, all that has to be done is clean  the plug.  I have 
tried reducing the fuel mixture but, then the engine  stops.  This engine 
seems to like a rich fuel mixture.  What am  I doing wrong?  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Nov  3 15:14:06 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:14:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <4enjt4$1i9f2r5@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net>


> 
> I finally go the Economy to start with the crank.  However,  after it runs 
> for about 15 minutes, the engine stops as a result of the spark  plug fouling.  
> To get it to start again, all that has to be done is clean  the plug.  I have 
> tried reducing the fuel mixture but, then the engine  stops.  This engine 
> seems to like a rich fuel mixture.  What am  I doing wrong?  
> 
Check your ignition Francis, sounds like it may be weak.
J.B. Castagnos


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Nov  3 15:17:08 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:17:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Oilers
References: <001801c5e084$725efda0$111f7546@mycomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511031053380.61577@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c5e0cc$b65940e0$111f7546@mycomputer>

Thanks for the info guys..i do appreciate it very much.   .Tom


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Oilers


> Hi Tom,
> 
> The rule of thumb for cylinder oilers on engines that aren't being
> "worked" is one drop per minute per horsepower.  Double that if you have
> the engine belted up doing work.  Typically most folks just use plain 30
> weight oil, although some do a mix adding Marvel Mystery Oil to get a
> pretty color in the oiler.
> 
> Give the grease cups a turn at the start of the day as a part of your
> "inspect & oil up" routine.
> 
> Depending on the size of the wells in the main bearing caps, you may or
> may not want to add some cotton waste to help retain the oil.  Another
> useful thing to use are those cotton thingies that the dentist pokes in
> between your cheek and gum.  I like to use 90 weight gear oil in main
> bearing oil wells.
> 
> Hope that helps and WELCOME to the list and a great hobby!!
> 
> When you have a chance, tell us more about yourself and your engines.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Tom Dunlap wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to show my ignorance....but since i'm a newbie i will ask
>> anyway...whats the proceedure to adjust the oiler to the cylinder on a
>> hit and miss engine?  and how often do u turn the grease cup on the rod
>> bearing?  one more...  my stover has depressions on the main bearing
>> caps...no grease cups..how does this work?  Tom
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 15:59:30 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:59:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <7797458.1131047697175.JavaMail.root@web09ps>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F88926A10B1BFA9519603495610@phx.gbl>

Hi Adam, What do you need the embossing to read?  It would be fairly easy to 
etch a pattern on an oile glassr with either hydrofluoric acid or blast 
medium.  Steve


>From: Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
>
>Hi guys,
>             was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses 
>for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>
>Thanks so much,
>                         Adam
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov  3 16:02:06 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:02:06 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
Message-ID: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>

See http://pesn.com/2005/07/01/9600118_GMCC_REMAT/
(Not that I believe a word of it!)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov  3 16:22:32 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:22:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
In-Reply-To: <1d6.48fd4ca5.309bde0d@aol.com>
References: <1d6.48fd4ca5.309bde0d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051103192007.0223f860@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:41 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hi List,
>I finally go the Economy to start with the crank.  However,  after it runs
>for about 15 minutes, the engine stops as a result of the spark  plug 
>fouling.
>To get it to start again, all that has to be done is clean  the plug.  I have
>tried reducing the fuel mixture but, then the engine  stops.  This engine
>seems to like a rich fuel mixture.  What am  I doing wrong?
>Francis  Maciel

My guess is that you are using a 3095. Throw the damn thing away and get a 
take-a-part plug. Champion is (again) making their "X" it's about $25.00, 
but other take-a-parts are avliable.
         Dave





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Nov  3 16:40:03 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:40:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F88926A10B1BFA9519603495610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi, Doesn't embossed mean raised lettering when the glass is molded? That's
much different than etching by whatever method. Maybe I'm missing something.
Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:00 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers

Hi Adam, What do you need the embossing to read?  It would be fairly easy to

etch a pattern on an oile glassr with either hydrofluoric acid or blast 
medium.  Steve


>From: Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
>
>Hi guys,
>             was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost glasses

>for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>
>Thanks so much,
>                         Adam
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Nov  3 16:48:18 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:48:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
References: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <017001c5e0d9$746fb490$b74b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Wow, this guy is getting more out than he is putting in.  I did this once, 
fastened a propeller onto a generator and then put the whole thing on the 
top of the car.  I would park on a hill and when I wanted to go someplace I 
would coast downhill until the propeller started turning the generator fast 
enough, after that it was all free.  The only problem was that I couldn't 
stop and crashed.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?


See http://pesn.com/2005/07/01/9600118_GMCC_REMAT/
(Not that I believe a word of it!)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 17:52:13 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:52:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
In-Reply-To: <017001c5e0d9$746fb490$b74b6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <002b01c5e0e2$67dcc700$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Wow, this guy is getting more out than he is putting in.  I 
> did this once, fastened a propeller onto a generator 
> and then put the whole thing on the top of the car.  

Hi Jim, 
You should have tried affixing the propeller on top of your beanie cap and then
running around the yard with your arms outstretched going, "brum, brum, brum!"

Since this this the SEL and not the Slick list, I'll refrain from making
derogatory comments about these wankers.  

Did you get the part about "GMC's plans to introduce the technology in a
non-disruptive manner so as to not 'shock' the world with this sudden boon?"
How often do you hear about technological breakthroughs with the potential to
make the inventor billions, but he chooses to withhold the technology so he
won't "shock" the world with his magnificence?  I think the only "shock" is
going to be from his investors when they learn that they've lost every last
dime!

Adios!
Rob




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov  3 18:44:59 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:44:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <BAY108-F88926A10B1BFA9519603495610@phx.gbl>
	<20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051103214412.022a0e58@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:40 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, Doesn't embossed mean raised lettering when the glass is molded?
>Jimmy

That depends on the definition of "is."
         Dave 



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Thu Nov  3 18:49:11 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:49:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <20051104004010.E2D3C2419B9@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c5e0ea$56a39f60$e9ee4c0c@D48VHZ61>

Didn't catch that on the original post but I agree now. Regardless, Anybody 
ever seen an oiler glass with writting on it?

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


> Hi, Doesn't embossed mean raised lettering when the glass is molded? 
> That's
> much different than etching by whatever method. Maybe I'm missing 
> something.
> Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Royster
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:00 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>
> Hi Adam, What do you need the embossing to read?  It would be fairly easy 
> to
>
> etch a pattern on an oile glassr with either hydrofluoric acid or blast
> medium.  Steve
>
>
>>From: Adam Cottrill <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>CC: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
>>Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 6:54:56 +1100
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>             was just wondering if anyone makes reproduction embost 
>> glasses
>
>>for oilers. You know with the writing on the glas???
>>
>>Thanks so much,
>>                         Adam
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>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 20:15:43 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:43 EST
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/3/2005 3:31:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jbcast at charter.net writes:

Check  your ignition Francis, sounds like it may be weak.


 JB, Dave, & Jim,
Thanks for the replies.
I seem to be get a nice blue spark.  This engine uses  a modified HECO 
magneto that is chain driven.  My magneto person is  not too impressed with this 
type of magneto.  Furthermore, I can't  seem to find very much information for it 
on the Internet.
Yes, Dave, I tried a 3095 and a Wards #1 (take  apart) spark plugs.  I was 
able to disassemble the Ward plug and clean  it.  Regardless of what plug I was 
using, the engine would run for short  time before the plug fouled.  I'll try 
to find a "X" Champion type.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Nov  3 21:01:54 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:01:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
References: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014c01c5e0fc$e2a6f4a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

A few thoughts on this.
If the carb throat is too large, then the mixture will HAVE to be very rich 
for it to get any fuel at low gas speeds.( Even if it is ok for full on load 
and original speed.)
So, to run an engine at slow speed and no load, the carb bore needs 
reducing.
The half size models I make, (1 1/2 inch bore) run well on a 3/16 venturi at 
the needle and 1/4 lead in and out. This gives the gas some speed and allows 
fuel to be drawn up and mixed with the air.
I have made reducing inserts to fit in a few full size engines. They solved 
the trouble.
A choke plate partly closed helps but is only a band aid solution.
So, if you are keeping an engine, a few hours work will fix this problem for 
good and all. Just dont expect it to work hard with the mods.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy engine Plug Fouling


>
> In a message dated 11/3/2005 3:31:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> jbcast at charter.net writes:
>
> Check  your ignition Francis, sounds like it may be weak.
>
>
> JB, Dave, & Jim,
> Thanks for the replies.
> I seem to be get a nice blue spark.  This engine uses  a modified HECO
> magneto that is chain driven.  My magneto person is  not too impressed 
> with this
> type of magneto.  Furthermore, I can't  seem to find very much information 
> for it
> on the Internet.
> Yes, Dave, I tried a 3095 and a Wards #1 (take  apart) spark plugs.  I was
> able to disassemble the Ward plug and clean  it.  Regardless of what plug 
> I was
> using, the engine would run for short  time before the plug fouled.  I'll 
> try
> to find a "X" Champion type.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 20:57:56 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:57:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy?
Message-ID: <20051104.000350.1356.9.jlb94@juno.com>

You should have tried affixing the propeller on top of your beanie cap
and then
running around the yard with your arms outstretched going, "brum, brum,
brum!"
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        
Ohhh Ma God !!!
Cabin Feaver is setting in already !!!

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 (_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 20:53:47 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:53:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
Message-ID: <20051104.000350.1356.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Adam.
Is there such a thing ?

I have never seen embossed glass on oilers.

I would like to see a pic of one if anyone has them.

If embossing means raised - I haven't seen those either.

I know there is an acid you can buy at the craft stores.
If you make a stencil, you can DIY.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
(_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and Bear
Arms."


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 20:50:02 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:50:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <20051104.000350.1356.6.jlb94@juno.com>

My guess would be to heavy an intake valve spring ???

Or - - - Did you check the condition of the needle valve ?
Is it rounded off ?

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
the one 
 (_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms."


From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov  3 22:37:02 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:07:02 +1030
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <20051104.000350.1356.8.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c5e10a$2a95cc70$13c88890@chaos>

a picture of a penberthy here, with raised lettering
http://www.geocities.com/dgj.geo/otherbits.htm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


> Hi Adam.
> Is there such a thing ?
> 
> I have never seen embossed glass on oilers.
> 
> I would like to see a pic of one if anyone has them.
> 
> If embossing means raised - I haven't seen those either.
> 
> I know there is an acid you can buy at the craft stores.
> If you make a stencil, you can DIY.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/         "When law enforcement isn't available, Americans turn to
> the one 
> (_o_)         right that protects all others - The Right to Keep and Bear
> Arms."
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>



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 22:50:38 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:50:38 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <003e01c5e0ea$56a39f60$e9ee4c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <006101c5e10c$1103dc50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Didn't catch that on the original post but I agree now. 
> Regardless, Anybody ever seen an oiler glass with writting on it?

Lonergan made some spiffy oilers with raised lettering as did Hornsby and who
knows how many other manufacturers.  Here's a picture of an oiler that's kind of
neat, but the lettering is rather plain.  It says:

2
DETROIT OIL CUP
PAT'D APRIL 9 1872

http://temp.rustyiron.com/oiler.jpg





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 23:02:37 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:02:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
Message-ID: <006601c5e10d$c68cd530$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> > Didn't catch that on the original post but I agree now. 
> > Regardless, Anybody ever seen an oiler glass with writting on it?

And here is one that can be your very own:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558793459

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov  3 23:24:25 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:24:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <006101c5e10c$1103dc50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


And here's a Longergan that you'll surely want!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558826284\





From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 05:30:53 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:30:53 EST
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
Message-ID: <1c8.351ecfb5.309cbc8d@aol.com>



Francis,

Is the engine lugging and blowing black smoke as in too rich a mixture, or 
could it be from rings not seated and too much oil passing the rings?  If the 
engine is not lugging from too rich gas mixture it sounds like it may be a 
ring/oil problem.  Shut the oil off for a short period of time, or just a couple 
drops/minute and see if this helps.  Also, how about timing causing a not 
complete burn of fuel?  Most of my Economy's like to run with the choke 3/4+ closed 
especially at slower speeds, but this does not mean they are rich mixtures 
causing plug fouling.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov  4 06:25:08 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:25:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Is Arnies job in jeopardy? (VERY OT)
In-Reply-To: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>
References: <001301c5e0d2$ff9e5e10$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511040919080.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>

Sorry Dave,  The Scientologist's space alien, Xenu, bought the patents and
has them stored in his mountain cave protected by the Eternal Battery.

See ya,  Arnie

PS - The 250 mpg carb and the pill that turns water to petrol are also
stored in the same cave.

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Dave Croft wrote:

> See http://pesn.com/2005/07/01/9600118_GMCC_REMAT/
> (Not that I believe a word of it!)



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov  4 06:35:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:35:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  Economy engine Plug Fouling
In-Reply-To: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>
References: <fb.7ccd67a5.309c3a6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051104093146.0d54d960@mail.alltel.net>


>   Regardless of what plug I was
>using, the engine would run for short  time before the plug fouled.  I'll try
>to find a "X" Champion type.
>Francis  Maciel

Hi Francis,
         I have to buy them by the box--ie 10 at a time. I just bought a 
box and can snail you one if you desire. I'm paying $23.00 each for them. 
Let me know off List if you want one.
         Dave 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov  4 06:56:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
In-Reply-To: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511040955020.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rob,

I think that will be a neat auction to watch.  ISTR they go for money
close to swing-top Lunks.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:

> And here's a Longergan that you'll surely want!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558826284\



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov  4 09:18:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:18:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring 2006
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511041213140.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>

Folks,

Mark your calendars.
The Spring show at Coolspring will be June 15-17, 2006.

The feature will be:  "Odd, Strange, and Curious Engines"
THAT should be one helluva show!!

http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov  4 12:39:59 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:39:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring 2006
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511041213140.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511041213140.70947@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051104153826.043c3ae0@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:18 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote:
>Folks,
>Mark your calendars.
>The Spring show at Coolspring will be June 15-17, 2006.
>The feature will be:  "Odd, Strange, and Curious Engines"
>THAT should be one helluva show!!
>http://www.coolspringpowermuseum.org/
>See ya,  Arnie

Arnie, You read the blurb wrong. The feature is "Odd, Strange, and Curious 
Engine Collectors." We should be right at home!
         Dave 



From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Fri Nov  4 15:26:24 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:26:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Embossed oiler glasses
Message-ID: <31134632.1131146784528.JavaMail.root@web06sl>

Hi guys,
           thanks very much for the replys, you are all fantastic!. To me embossed means raised lettering, ive got a couple of engines with this type of oiler, penbethy, lunkehimer and detroit injector company are the ones I have just at a glance.(yes i know ive spelt half of them wrong)

The Detroit one i have is split and I would dearly love a new glass for it so I can place it on an engine. 

Id like to put embost glasses in all my engines and I think they look really good and finish off an engine nicely... 

Surly someone some place must be making repros?

Adam


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Fri Nov  4 17:55:50 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:55:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers
References: <007701c5e110$ca375f40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <006701c5e1ac$0cebed60$4ed14c0c@D48VHZ61>

Its nice but I don't own anything fancy enough to justify such an adorable 
trinket!!!

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:24 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Embost Glasses for Oilers


>
> And here's a Longergan that you'll surely want!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558826284\
>
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov  4 20:09:12 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:09:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
Message-ID: <20051105040900.RNS14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I fitted my engines own, refurbished, Webster today and filled the fuel tank
up. It is now running as it should :)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05110501.AVI


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov  4 20:18:29 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:18:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Throttle-governed vertical Stovers?
Message-ID: <20051105041814.BQRX17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Does anyone on the list know of any other throttle-governed vertical
Stovers? We know of three here in Oz, Edd's 4hp, my 6hp, and another 6hp in
Tasmania. 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Fri Nov  4 10:39:12 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:39:12 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <436BAAD0.2030900@quicknet.nl>

19.40



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  5 02:12:59 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:12:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <110520051012.29945.436C85AB000D7AA1000074F921979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

John,
Received your msg ok here.
Curt


> 19.40
> 
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From sixmjohn at quicknet.nl  Sat Nov  5 03:00:17 2005
From: sixmjohn at quicknet.nl (John H.)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:00:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
References: <110520051012.29945.436C85AB000D7AA1000074F921979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c5e1f8$1ebeffe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Thanks Curt,
  Someone is blocking my IP lately when I post to the list.
My messages don't coming through or after 3-4 days.
Have to find out where the knot sits.

John H.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Test


> John,
> Received your msg ok here.
> Curt
> 
> 
> > 19.40




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Thu Nov  3 11:29:07 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:29:07 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <000701c5e0ac$df69d960$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

20.30



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Nov  5 03:34:27 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:34:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
References: <20051105040900.RNS14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002501c5e1fc$e2d2c840$ef85dccb@oemcomputer>

Now it sounds as it should.Great mate.Glad it's all working for you.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:09
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video


> I fitted my engines own, refurbished, Webster today and filled the fuel
tank
> up. It is now running as it should :)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05110501.AVI
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 13:48:14 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:48:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <20051105214815.51668.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I am
now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18" diameter
flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this thing
be brought back to life without extrodinary measures? 
I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in advance.

Jim Moran
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com

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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Nov  5 14:22:30 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:22:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
References: <20051105214815.51668.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Jim,

How about telling us a few more details like make and model, missing parts 
or complete and so on.  In answer to your question anything can be restored, 
it just depends on how much time and money you want to invest.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I am
now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18" diameter
flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this thing
be brought back to life without extrodinary measures?
I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in advance.

Jim Moran
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com

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From rtbush at charter.net  Sat Nov  5 14:48:45 2005
From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:48:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <20051105214815.51668.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
	<007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <436D36CD.5000603@charter.net>

If possible, a few pictures would be helpful. You know, that thousand 
words thing. And it's nice to have some "as found" shots before too much 
work is done. But like Jim said, "anything (almost) can be restored". 
The fun is in seeing it run again. It can be a very exciting and 
rewarding moment.  Good luck.
    Bob
 
  Bob Bushorr
   Brimfield, MA

Jim and Diane wrote:

>Hi Jim,
>
>How about telling us a few more details like make and model, missing parts 
>or complete and so on.  In answer to your question anything can be restored, 
>it just depends on how much time and money you want to invest.
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
>Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
>
>
>OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I am
>now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18" diameter
>flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this thing
>be brought back to life without extrodinary measures?
>I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
>folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in advance.
>
>Jim Moran
>jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 14:52:36 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:52:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e257$6b0ec790$51496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

J and D-
Understand...I am very interested in this item but,
unfortunately, I don't know too much about the
technology (so to speak).  The H-n-M is totally
there...the metal is solid and I fully believe that
the mag is in need of replacement.  No, the flywheel
do not freely spin, but I have not delved into why
that is.  Remember, it sat "in the weeds" for decades.
 Damn shame, but I think that these artifacts deserve
at least a bit of attention.  There is a long story
behind all of this and, if you and the others within
the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I don't
wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
to me but hold no interest to others.
Thanks for your reply, at any rate.
JM

--- Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> How about telling us a few more details like make
> and model, missing parts 
> or complete and so on.  In answer to your question
> anything can be restored, 
> it just depends on how much time and money you want
> to invest.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
> Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know
> nothing!!!
> 
> 
> OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I
> am
> now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18"
> diameter
> flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this
> thing
> be brought back to life without extrodinary
> measures?
> I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
> folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in
> advance.
> 
> Jim Moran
> jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
> 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 15:29:10 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:29:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <436D36CD.5000603@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20051105232910.16285.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>


BB-
While I am up-to-date in certain regards, when it
comes to photography I am (by today's standards) kinda
"steam driven".  I understand and will make every
effort to post digital images.
Are you (and yours) strickly H -n- M enthusiasts or do
you care about other stuff such as tractors, etc.?
Thanks for the time you took to respond.
JM
--- Bob Bushorr <rtbush at charter.net> wrote:

> If possible, a few pictures would be helpful. You
> know, that thousand 
> words thing. And it's nice to have some "as found"
> shots before too much 
> work is done. But like Jim said, "anything (almost)
> can be restored". 
> The fun is in seeing it run again. It can be a very
> exciting and 
> rewarding moment.  Good luck.
>     Bob
>  
>   Bob Bushorr
>    Brimfield, MA
> 
> Jim and Diane wrote:
> 
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >How about telling us a few more details like make
> and model, missing parts 
> >or complete and so on.  In answer to your question
> anything can be restored, 
> >it just depends on how much time and money you want
> to invest.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >Jim and Diane Kirkes
> >Hemet, CA
> >jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> >To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know
> nothing!!!
> >
> >
> >OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I
> am
> >now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18"
> diameter
> >flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this
> thing
> >be brought back to life without extrodinary
> measures?
> >I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
> >folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in
> advance.
> >
> >Jim Moran
> >jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  5 16:10:06 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:10:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way 4.5hp fan pulley measurements
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2E3A17EC79196B6A84D61BB620@phx.gbl>

  Here are some measurments I took yesterday...sorry for the blur.

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom/4

Let me know if you need more...pulley and fan HUB casting are 2 separate 
pieces..look's like maybe a shrink fit.

RickinMt. 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 16:31:03 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051106003103.72952.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Come on Jim,
Let's hear the story.
If the story ends with you getting the engine then I am interested.  8>))
 
Alan
BTW,,,,  Details???,,,, Pictures???,,,,,  Let's have more info about what you got.

James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
J and D-
Understand...I am very interested in this item but,
unfortunately, I don't know too much about the
technology (so to speak). The H-n-M is totally
there...the metal is solid and I fully believe that
the mag is in need of replacement. No, the flywheel
do not freely spin, but I have not delved into why
that is. Remember, it sat "in the weeds" for decades.
Damn shame, but I think that these artifacts deserve
at least a bit of attention. There is a long story
behind all of this and, if you and the others within
the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
facts to you collectively. On the other hand, I don't
wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
to me but hold no interest to others.
Thanks for your reply, at any rate.
JM


		
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 17:12:03 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
Message-ID: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc. 
Thanks in advance.
Ron



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Kersey, PA
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov  5 17:12:54 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:12:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> at least a bit of attention.  There is a long story
> behind all of this and, if you and the others within
> the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
> facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I don't
> wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
> to me but hold no interest to others.

Hiya Jim,
The story is the best part!  Please, lay it on us.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 










From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 17:56:44 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:56:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106015644.8750.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Promptly....tomorrow.
You'll (maybe) enjoy and/or become angry.  Time will
tell.
JM

--- Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> > at least a bit of attention.  There is a long
> story
> > behind all of this and, if you and the others
> within
> > the "group" would be interested, I would relate
> the
> > facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I
> don't
> > wish to bore people with stories that are of
> interest
> > to me but hold no interest to others.
> 
> Hiya Jim,
> The story is the best part!  Please, lay it on us.
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  5 17:06:54 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:06:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
References: <20051105225236.62041.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV208345229405222B24B80CBB620@phx.gbl>

Luv them stories JM..fire away

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


> J and D-
> Understand...I am very interested in this item but,
> unfortunately, I don't know too much about the
> technology (so to speak).  The H-n-M is totally
> there...the metal is solid and I fully believe that
> the mag is in need of replacement.  No, the flywheel
> do not freely spin, but I have not delved into why
> that is.  Remember, it sat "in the weeds" for decades.
>  Damn shame, but I think that these artifacts deserve
> at least a bit of attention.  There is a long story
> behind all of this and, if you and the others within
> the "group" would be interested, I would relate the
> facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I don't
> wish to bore people with stories that are of interest
> to me but hold no interest to others.
> Thanks for your reply, at any rate.
> JM
> 
> --- Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > How about telling us a few more details like make
> > and model, missing parts 
> > or complete and so on.  In answer to your question
> > anything can be restored, 
> > it just depends on how much time and money you want
> > to invest.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > Jim and Diane Kirkes
> > Hemet, CA
> > jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> > To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know
> > nothing!!!
> > 
> > 
> > OK...there is a long story behind this.  Anyway, I
> > am
> > now in possession of an old H -n- M with 18"
> > diameter
> > flywheels.  It is in good/solid shape.  Can this
> > thing
> > be brought back to life without extrodinary
> > measures?
> > I am in Rochester, New York.  Can any of you savvy
> > folks talk to me about this find?   Thank in
> > advance.
> > 
> > Jim Moran
> > jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Nov  5 20:21:29 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:21:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02ab01c5e28b$13f0d910$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I still really like my old Sony Mavica.
The floppy disc makes loading into the computer an easy task. Must have 
taken 10,000 + pics with it.
I believe they appear on ebay for peanuts now.

I bought a new little Fuji Finepix Z1 but havent got round to using it yet.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <PowerKingTractors at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new 
> machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as 
> regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural 
> and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, 
> brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
>  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
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>
>
>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sat Nov  5 21:30:21 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:30:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <436D94ED.7060300@fidnet.com>

Hi Ron,

I use an Olympus C770.  I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
zoom.  It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom.  I haven't yet used the 
digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom.  It is a 4 meg camera 
and takes very good pictures.  It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
to the camera.  I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.

Gary

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
>  http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> 
>   http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> 
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 		
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 23:38:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 07:38:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
In-Reply-To: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051106011203.47948.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511052338h440bac5er45559e465d92fa4@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>

As Reggie has mentioned, the Sony Mavica cameras take a lot of
beating, but they are no longer available new, although lots available
secondhand.

I've used one for nearly four years with no problems at all, and we
have four in the family. Rita didn't like them as they are relatively
large compared with the newer, smaller models, but I like the large
viewing screen and although I have never used the floppy drive (all of
ours take the memory sticks in one way or another) it's always there
if I need it.

Battery life is very good, even better with Memory Sticks as you are
not powering the floppy drive for every picture.

Best/simplest Mavica is probably the MVC FD100, my own one is the MVC FD97.

Look at Steve's Digicams website for test drives of nearly every
camera on the market, Dolly recommended this site to me some time ago
and it is very good indeed.

http://www.steves-digicams.com

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 23:50:40 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 07:50:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines
Message-ID: <6f6025160511052350r70584a43h11ecd82f9914da3f@mail.gmail.com>

Picked up some Navy manuals a while back on the 'Superior' engine and
genny sets. One is a large lump, probably more than anyone would want
to drag around, but the other was a nice looking twin cylinder with
Delco 10kW 120V 83A dynamo..

Size is 183 cu ins, bhp 16.3 @ 1200rpm, weight is a bit heavy at
2200lbs dry for the engine and 530lbs for the dynamo.

Does anyone know if any of these are in preservation at all?

The large set is an 8 cylinder 1330cu in diesel, 152bhp @ 1200rpm, 
with 100kW Delco 3-phase alternator.

Manufactured by the National Supply Co, Springfield, Ohio.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 03:50:34 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 03:50:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <02ab01c5e28b$13f0d910$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <20051106115034.19730.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Reg, I'll take a look and  see what's there. I'd be very happy with an older one. Guess I just like old things like me.
Ron

R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
I still really like my old Sony Mavica.
The floppy disc makes loading into the computer an easy task. Must have 
taken 10,000 + pics with it.
I believe they appear on ebay for peanuts now.

I bought a new little Fuji Finepix Z1 but havent got round to using it yet.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
To: ; 

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new 
> machine to do this with. I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as 
> regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural 
> and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, 
> brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 04:04:24 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 04:04:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511052338h440bac5er45559e465d92fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051106120424.39875.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Pete, I take a look at the Site. Wow, there are a lot of choises out there.
Ron

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/6/05, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with. I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
>

As Reggie has mentioned, the Sony Mavica cameras take a lot of
beating, but they are no longer available new, although lots available
secondhand.

I've used one for nearly four years with no problems at all, and we
have four in the family. Rita didn't like them as they are relatively
large compared with the newer, smaller models, but I like the large
viewing screen and although I have never used the floppy drive (all of
ours take the memory sticks in one way or another) it's always there
if I need it.

Battery life is very good, even better with Memory Sticks as you are
not powering the floppy drive for every picture.

Best/simplest Mavica is probably the MVC FD100, my own one is the MVC FD97.

Look at Steve's Digicams website for test drives of nearly every
camera on the market, Dolly recommended this site to me some time ago
and it is very good indeed.

http://www.steves-digicams.com

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 


		
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Nov  6 04:58:29 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 07:58:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
Message-ID: <410-22005110612582946@coastalnet.com>

Ron,

Here is another good site with forums which might be helpful.
http://www.dpreview.com/  

Good luck in your quest.  If you decide to go towards the 
"high end"  and want a SLR, there are some pretty nice
offerings out there.

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>; PowerKingTractors at yahoogroups.com
<PowerKingTractors at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 11/5/2005 8:36:21 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
>
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a
new machine to do this with.  I'd like to be able to take closeups as well
as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural
and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price,
brand batterys, etc. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 05:19:37 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:19:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
In-Reply-To: <20051106120424.39875.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160511052338h440bac5er45559e465d92fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051106120424.39875.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511060519n3f9c60can5a76a3b4ed73a444@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Pete, I take a look at the Site. Wow, there are a lot of choises out there.
> Ron
>

A few things to remember:

BIG megapixels make BIG files

2.1 megapixels at full resolution give an uncompressed file size of
5mb.  5 megapixels at full resolution and you are into 11mb, depending
on the settings of the camera.

If you have big hands like me, then the little cameras can be a pain
to use, although handy to slip into a pocket (and get lost!)

Memory Sticks or their equivalent are much handier to store images on,
most cameras will take up to 1gb or more, depending on how recent they
are. We have 8 memory sticks over the 4 cameras we have here, and we
also have plenty of spare batteries that we bought off ebay, so we
never run out of space or batteries!

The last camera we bought for Rita was particularly nice, but too
small for me, it was a Sony Cybershot DSC-V1. Really nice camera and
although the batteries are different to the Mavicas, it takes the same
Memory Sticks so we can still share those.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 05:24:53 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 05:24:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <436D94ED.7060300@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
Ron

Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:
Hi Ron,

I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.

Gary

Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote:
> We all take pictures of our pride and joys and I find it time I fine a new machine to do this with. I'd like to be able to take closeups as well as regular and telephoto picture. Thansferable to the computer. In natural and artificial lighting.
> I appreciate any suggestion youall might have about what I need, price, brand batterys, etc. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
> 
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 06:55:34 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:55:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <1e2.483373e3.309f7366@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/5/2005 6:05:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:

<< the metal is solid and I fully believe that
 the mag is in need of replacement. >>


Jim

Most engines are worth the time and money to bring them back to life.  
However, this is not truly known without knowing the make and a complete evaluation 
and inspection of the major parts. As far as the mag replacement, this is 
usually a rebuild job at the most unless it has been completely broken.  As others 
have said give us some photos, make model, etc.  Maybe someone lives in you 
vicinity that could come and help you look it over and give you first hand 
advice. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  6 07:00:31 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:00:31 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> Gary Epps  wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
> camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
> zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
> digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
> and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
> to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
> Gary

> Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
> Ron

Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very pleased with it.
It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the camera by hand the shake has
almost been eliminated by the camera
See the last 5 pictures on
http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
Regards,
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  6 09:31:04 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:31:04 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
> 
> 
> > Gary Epps  wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> > I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
> > camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
> > zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
> > digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
> > and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
> > to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
> > Gary
> 
> > Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
> > Ron
> 
> Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very pleased with it.
> It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
> I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
> I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the camera by hand the shake has
> almost been eliminated by the camera
> See the last 5 pictures on
> http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
> Regards,
> Dave Croft

I don't normaly talk to myself but just a couple of points,
Webshots seems to be playing up by not letting you go to the next picture.
You have to go back & pick another!
The other thing is the camera has a X12 optical zoom.
See http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/KMZ3/Z3A.HTM
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 10:09:27 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:09:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106180927.14220.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

OK....I'll relate this tale in stages, as it embraces
over 100 years :-)
You might want to start by going to Google Earth and
searching 60 Golden Road, Rochester, New York 14624. 
You will see my wife's family's farm/business site. 
As an indicator, the barn behind the house bears a
"1902" plaque.
The Graham family began with a basic, upstate New York
farm (cows, chickens, struggle, etc.).  I have
unearthed a preponderance of records (as with most
folks who survived the depression and other travails)
NOTHIN' was ever too broke or old to discard.  The
earliest diary that I was able to find was dated 1902
with pencil scrawls such as "bot haf booshel #2 corn
seed OR solid my beens (you get the picture, I am
sure).
In 1913 (as far as I can determine) my wife's great
grandfather started up a fuel business, dealing in
oil, gasoline, and kerosene.  These materials were
delivered via horse drawn wagon and, in the winter, on
a sleigh affair.  I know this for certain because we
have a bevy of photos from that vintage AND the wagon
with its steel wheels is still there...buried in the
weeds along with all sorts of other relics, including
the hit -n- miss in which many of you seem to have an
avid interest.  It is a humorous note that the farm
house never "went oil" until my wife's (Cynthia in
name, by the way) grandfather went over the great
divide.  Reason?  Because, even though he sold fuel
oil, he did not trust it.  The home was heated with
wood or coal and they never installed "city water",
even though is it available right at the street.  The
old pump is still in the rear of the woodshed (off of
the kitchen) and still works to this day. 
Interestingly, the DID take advantage of city sewars. 
Don't ask me the rationale.
Anyway, the oil business did not end the farming
effort.  This is why I was able to find h-n-m stuff,
buzz saws, portable pumps, corn shredders and a raft
of other devices.  The farm tractors were (I'll put
this as gently as I can) "taken" by my wife's cousin. 
I know factually that there was an M and a robust
Oliver (which I loved).  I can't do anything about
that and will not try.  However....DAMMIT!
Again, as you scan north on your Google Earth image,
you will see three above ground storage tank, each
able to contain 20k gallons.  One was for oil, one for
gasoline, one for kero.  The shed that you'll see to
the west of the tank house the pumping unit which
moved the above-mentioned products to the correct
tank.  There is not and never was electricity run to
that shed.  How was the pumping accomplished?  By
utilizing the McCormick-Deering 10-20.  I am of the
belief that the M/D never saw too much action in the
fields.  Rather, it appears that it was bought as a
dedicated pump-driving machine.  I have searched for
the original bill of sale and the manuals, but, so
far, have come up empty.  In that the shed always
housed the pump and all, the elements did not wreak
havoc.  Funny, there was even a sort of old quilt
thrown over the hood of the tractor.  The floor of the
shed was of a very fine silt-like dirt (no concrete,
that is to say).  It was completely dry and, in fact,
there were fox holes inside of the building.  In
passing, let me note that I found (in the M/D's "tool
box")a record book for fuel transfers (deliveries) and
the date of that volume is 1957.  This would lead one
to the conclusion that that was the last year of
active service, but I know that this is not
accurate...the business went on until quite recently
and I know for a fact that the three tanks were closed
(in accordance to DEC, etc.) in 1993.  Hmmmm.....
As I have previously posted, the M/D is complete in
every way.  The sheet metal is intact (even the
ventilated/piano hinged engine shrouds).  Everything
is legible.  Both the left and right rear fenders call
out "McCormick Deering 10-20".  The serial plate is
perfect, reading the 10 and 20 horsepower statements
of which I am sure you all know so well.  Even the
"starting instructions" on the left housing is clear
as a bell. The front and rear steel wheels show
virtually no "wear"...the cleats are solid and fully
present.  While the body paint has oxidized, one can
see "tell tale" red pain on the rear steel wheels. 
The breather and the exhaust are undamaged, despite
that fact the the guys who dismantled the shed managed
to collapse the building down on top of the tractor!
After we carefully removed the debris of the destoyed
shed, I was able to get a strong look at the tractor
and, of course, make provisions to move it out of the
open air.  I was concerned that the wheels would be
frozen but, when I hooked onto the front with a slip
chain and began the tentative pull, all four went
around without even a creak!
The tractor has been moved to the concrete block
garage across from the farm house (again...look at the
Google thing and remember, that service is not real
time.  The images are about two years old, as I
understand it). This is a solid building...good roof,
really dry, and with a concrete floor.  Both the M/D
and the h-n-m are now safely inside and both claim to
be happy in their new digs :-).
Back to the "never throw anything away" lifestyle.  If
you look around your Google image, you will be able to
discern old oil delivery trucks and, even, an old
Caddy.  Between the "outside" ones and the ones that
were dumped "inside", I have to deal with a total of
nine such vehicles.  The fuel trucks (all outfitted
with multi-compartment tanks) are of the
fifties/sixties vintage.  This little gift was from
Cynthia's now dead uncle, a nice enough guy I guess,
but a slob of the first order.  He abandoned oil drums
and jugs filled with God-knows-what.  Naturally, these
must be disposed in a manner consistent with common
sense and in accordance to the DEC's firm opinions of
such things.  For any of you who have had experiences
with such situations, you will be familiar with Phase
I and Phase II analysis work.  We are now at the
conclusion of PII.  I know that there are three buried
tanks which will require excavation and the earth
surrounding them will also have to be removed and (as
I understand it) incinerated.
All of this misery is a result of the uncle kicking
off and Cynthia's old mother coming down with a really
bad case of the Altzheimer's.  It has fallen to us to
remediate the 77 acres of property and, then, find a
suitable buyer.  Again, scan east and west and you'll
see housing developments at each border ($250k+
private residence deals).  Once we have a clean bill
of health, some developer will buy the land, raze the
buildings, and do a build-out.  That will bring to an
end this whole unsavory affain.  Those of you savvy
enough to read between my lines will not be shocked to
discover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy
family members who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any
further, as it gives me ulcers :-).
Well, there are the broad strokes of it.  I don't have
the time to run spell check so forgive such mistakes,
please.  If any of you out there are close to
Rochester, please let me know.  I would be glad to
show you the tractor, etc.  As stated, I'll try to
post some photos.  BTW, the only "marking" on the
h-'n-m is on the mag...it reads "WICO".  Does that
mean anything to anyone.
If you have questions or comments, let me know.
Thanks.
JM

--- Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> > at least a bit of attention.  There is a long
> story
> > behind all of this and, if you and the others
> within
> > the "group" would be interested, I would relate
> the
> > facts to you collectively.  On the other hand, I
> don't
> > wish to bore people with stories that are of
> interest
> > to me but hold no interest to others.
> 
> Hiya Jim,
> The story is the best part!  Please, lay it on us.
> 
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov  6 11:30:13 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:30:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <004301c5e26f$38d02720$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <a4ba571fed14e33bb41819c314039db4@chartertn.net>

 From the subject of this thread, I figured it'd be about women. I was 
hoping to learn something.
  ;)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov  6 12:11:01 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:11:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Tornado
Message-ID: <000701c5e30e$36bf9660$2985dccb@oemcomputer>

Just seen on the morning news that there has been a deadly tornado in the US
mid west and the vision shown was in Evensville Indiana.Hope everyone we
know in that erea is OK
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 12:27:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:27:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <a4ba571fed14e33bb41819c314039db4@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051106202753.79227.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

JC-
That,too! :-)
JM

--- John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:

>  From the subject of this thread, I figured it'd be
> about women. I was 
> hoping to learn something.
>   ;)
> 
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> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 13:05:07 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:05:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Tornado
In-Reply-To: <000701c5e30e$36bf9660$2985dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106210507.47074.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

EP-
I am in Rochester, New York.  The day dawned quiet and
pretty.  I painted a bit and, then, went out to work
in the barnyard.  Within minutes, the sky turned a
stinky gray/black.  By the time I put the tools away,
the rain was cutting sideways like needles.  I went
back to the house and the sky cleared.  I waited a
bit, went back out to resume and, again, it turned
foul.  The leaves were swirling not unlike a
whirlpool.  I gave up and, now, a couple of hours
later, the sun is slanting in from the west (it is now
about 4 PM here).
Welcome to western New York!
JM

--- edd payne <edsingns at winsoft.net.au> wrote:

> Just seen on the morning news that there has been a
> deadly tornado in the US
> mid west and the vision shown was in Evensville
> Indiana.Hope everyone we
> know in that erea is OK
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Nov  6 13:08:22 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:08:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
Message-ID: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>

Hi to the lists,

Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through about
17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park horse race
track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the river.  I destroyed the
pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it crossed an area of the Ohio
river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare land so there was no
damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where the mobile home court
is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a couple hundred trailers and
stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came through the south half
of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it started
knocking down power poles along a highway where my wife's cousin has a
restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that yet.  Further east yet,
it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where a family of four was
killed.

We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong breeze.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 14:08:17 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:08:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051106220817.24076.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

GK-
I am in Rochester, New York.  We, too, "enjoyed" rain
and high winds but no substantial damage other than
leaves blowing by like center-fire bullets.
Glad that you are OK and hoping that your friends and
family are, as well.  A pity for those killed and
injured.  Trailers just can't take it, sadly.
JM

--- Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:

> Hi to the lists,
> 
> Since several of you have asked about the southern
> Indiana tornado near
> Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife
> didn't turn on the
> kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.
>  It came through about
> 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and
> the Ellis Park horse race
> track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the
> river.  I destroyed the
> pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it
> crossed an area of the Ohio
> river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare
> land so there was no
> damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where
> the mobile home court
> is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a
> couple hundred trailers and
> stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came
> through the south half
> of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then
> further east it started
> knocking down power poles along a highway where my
> wife's cousin has a
> restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that
> yet.  Further east yet,
> it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where
> a family of four was
> killed.
> 
> We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles
> and a strong breeze.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> Glenn Karch
> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> Hercules Historian
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sun Nov  6 14:16:53 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:16:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines
References: <6f6025160511052350r70584a43h11ecd82f9914da3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c5e31f$cf0d64e0$885d1f40@Eagle>

    Is the small one a model IA diesel engine and the large one a model ID?
Those engines are listed in the 1939 National Supply catalog without
generators. With generators they appear to become models GA-2 and
GA-8.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <staionary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines


Picked up some Navy manuals a while back on the 'Superior' engine and
genny sets. One is a large lump, probably more than anyone would want
to drag around, but the other was a nice looking twin cylinder with
Delco 10kW 120V 83A dynamo..

Size is 183 cu ins, bhp 16.3 @ 1200rpm, weight is a bit heavy at
2200lbs dry for the engine and 530lbs for the dynamo.

Does anyone know if any of these are in preservation at all?

The large set is an 8 cylinder 1330cu in diesel, 152bhp @ 1200rpm, 
with 100kW Delco 3-phase alternator.

Manufactured by the National Supply Co, Springfield, Ohio.

Peter
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov  6 14:37:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:37:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>

Glenn,  
    You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10  miles south of 
me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my knowledge, there were no 
serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes around here.  One in 
November is especially unusual.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Glenn A Karch wrote:

>Hi to the lists,
>
>Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
>Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
>kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through about 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park horse race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it crossed an area of the Ohio river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare land so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where the mobile home court is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a couple hundred trailers and stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came through the south half of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it started knocking down power poles along a highway where my wife's cousin has a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that yet.  Further east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where a family of four was
>killed.
>
>We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong breeze.
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov  6 15:30:15 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:30:15 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>
	<436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that include MO........I have a 
friend in Marthasville.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm


> Glenn,  You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10  miles south of 
> me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my knowledge, there were no 
> serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes around here.  One in 
> November is especially unusual.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Glenn A Karch wrote:
>
>>Hi to the lists,
>>
>>Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
>>Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
>>kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through 
>>about 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park 
>>horse race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the river.  I 
>>destroyed the pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there it crossed an 
>>area of the Ohio river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare land 
>>so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east of my farm is where the 
>>mobile home court is.  It is a large trailer court with possibly a couple 
>>hundred trailers and stretches for over a half a mile.  The tornado came 
>>through the south half of the trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then 
>>further east it started knocking down power poles along a highway where my 
>>wife's cousin has a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that 
>>yet.  Further east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia Springs 
>>where a family of four was
>>killed.
>>
>>We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong breeze.
>>
>>Glenn
>>
>>Glenn Karch
>>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>Hercules Historian
>>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 15:31:05 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:31:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051106233105.37154.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

TT, et. al.-
When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
that point.
JM

--- Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> Glenn,  
>     You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10
>  miles south of 
> me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my
> knowledge, there were no 
> serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes
> around here.  One in 
> November is especially unusual.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> Glenn A Karch wrote:
> 
> >Hi to the lists,
> >
> >Since several of you have asked about the southern
> Indiana tornado near
> >Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife
> didn't turn on the
> >kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early
> news.  It came through about 17 miles south of us. 
> It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis Park horse
> race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of
> the river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand
> areas.  From there it crossed an area of the Ohio
> river bottoms where I have a farm.  The farm is bare
> land so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east
> of my farm is where the mobile home court is.  It is
> a large trailer court with possibly a couple hundred
> trailers and stretches for over a half a mile.  The
> tornado came through the south half of the trailer
> area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it
> started knocking down power poles along a highway
> where my wife's cousin has a restaurant and flower
> shop, but no news about that yet.  Further east yet,
> it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where
> a family of four was
> >killed.
> >
> >We are safe and sound with only a few rain
> sprinkles and a strong breeze.
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >Glenn Karch
> >Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >Hercules Historian
> >
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov  6 15:38:09 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:38:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>
	<001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <004f01c5e32b$28e8c710$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I have been very happy with my Fuji 602 but after three years a " Spot '' 
has appeared off centre on the images . I am informed it is on the CCD and 
not the lens . Not much you can do about it except get another camera . I am 
considering a Fuji 950.
Built in bloody obsolescence..........not like old engines!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
>>
>>
>> > Gary Epps  wrote:
>> > Hi Ron,
>> > I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket
>> > camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical
>> > zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the
>> > digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera
>> > and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated
>> > to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
>> > Gary
>>
>> > Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
>> > Ron
>>
>> Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very 
>> pleased with it.
>> It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
>> I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & 
>> tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
>> I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the 
>> camera by hand the shake has
>> almost been eliminated by the camera
>> See the last 5 pictures on
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
>> Regards,
>> Dave Croft
>
> I don't normaly talk to myself but just a couple of points,
> Webshots seems to be playing up by not letting you go to the next picture.
> You have to go back & pick another!
> The other thing is the camera has a X12 optical zoom.
> See http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/KMZ3/Z3A.HTM
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Sun Nov  6 17:11:32 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:11:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>	<436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
	<004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <436EA9C4.4030501@fidnet.com>

Peter, the Midwest does indeed include MO.  I believe Kansas City, MO is 
close to the geographic center of the US.  The term Midwest includes a 
very large area of the US.  I am not sure that MO had any severe weather 
last night like Indiana did.

Gary

peter ogborne wrote:
> Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that include MO........I have a 
> friend in Marthasville.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> 
> 
>> Glenn,  You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only about 10  miles south 
>> of me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my knowledge, there were 
>> no serious injuries.  We've had our share of tornadoes around here.  
>> One in November is especially unusual.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> Glenn A Karch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to the lists,
>>>
>>> Since several of you have asked about the southern Indiana tornado near
>>> Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My wife didn't turn on the
>>> kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early news.  It came through 
>>> about 17 miles south of us.  It hit Munfordville, KY and the Ellis 
>>> Park horse race track which is in KY but on the Indiana side of the 
>>> river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand areas.  From there 
>>> it crossed an area of the Ohio river bottoms where I have a farm.  
>>> The farm is bare land so there was no damage there.  Just a mile east 
>>> of my farm is where the mobile home court is.  It is a large trailer 
>>> court with possibly a couple hundred trailers and stretches for over 
>>> a half a mile.  The tornado came through the south half of the 
>>> trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then further east it started 
>>> knocking down power poles along a highway where my wife's cousin has 
>>> a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about that yet.  Further 
>>> east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia Springs where a 
>>> family of four was
>>> killed.
>>>
>>> We are safe and sound with only a few rain sprinkles and a strong 
>>> breeze.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> Glenn Karch
>>> Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>> Hercules Historian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 17:47:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:47:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <436EA9C4.4030501@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <20051107014709.17636.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

GE-
Unsettled here in western New York...windy and
"stinky".  I am sorry for the many who have been
negatively affected in the midwest.  I have read about
children (trailer park, largely) wandering about
looking for their parents.
JM

--- Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:

> Peter, the Midwest does indeed include MO.  I
> believe Kansas City, MO is 
> close to the geographic center of the US.  The term
> Midwest includes a 
> very large area of the US.  I am not sure that MO
> had any severe weather 
> last night like Indiana did.
> 
> Gary
> 
> peter ogborne wrote:
> > Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that
> include MO........I have a 
> > friend in Marthasville.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy
> Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> > 
> > 
> >> Glenn,  You mention Munfordville, KY.  Its only
> about 10  miles south 
> >> of me.  The town got hit pretty hard but to my
> knowledge, there were 
> >> no serious injuries.  We've had our share of
> tornadoes around here.  
> >> One in November is especially unusual.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
> >> Magnolia, KY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Glenn A Karch wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi to the lists,
> >>>
> >>> Since several of you have asked about the
> southern Indiana tornado near
> >>> Evansville, Indiana, here is what I know.  My
> wife didn't turn on the
> >>> kitchen TV this morning so we missed the early
> news.  It came through 
> >>> about 17 miles south of us.  It hit
> Munfordville, KY and the Ellis 
> >>> Park horse race track which is in KY but on the
> Indiana side of the 
> >>> river.  I destroyed the pavillion and grandstand
> areas.  From there 
> >>> it crossed an area of the Ohio river bottoms
> where I have a farm.  
> >>> The farm is bare land so there was no damage
> there.  Just a mile east 
> >>> of my farm is where the mobile home court is. 
> It is a large trailer 
> >>> court with possibly a couple hundred trailers
> and stretches for over 
> >>> a half a mile.  The tornado came through the
> south half of the 
> >>> trailer area absolutly flattening it.  Then
> further east it started 
> >>> knocking down power poles along a highway where
> my wife's cousin has 
> >>> a restaurant and flower shop, but no news about
> that yet.  Further 
> >>> east yet, it flattened the community of Degonia
> Springs where a 
> >>> family of four was
> >>> killed.
> >>>
> >>> We are safe and sound with only a few rain
> sprinkles and a strong 
> >>> breeze.
> >>>
> >>> Glenn
> >>>
> >>> Glenn Karch
> >>> Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >>> Hercules Historian
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov  6 17:49:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:49:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <002501c5e316$3ad43aa0$26fd123f@oemcomputer>	<436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
	<004901c5e32a$0ea9ae60$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <436EB2B6.6000807@scrtc.com>

Peter,

    I'm unaware of tornadoes in Missouri.  Indiana and Kentucky were the 
only areas hit that the news has reported.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



> Mention was made of the Mid -West , does that include MO........I have 
> a friend in Marthasville.
>




From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Sun Nov  6 19:11:28 2005
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:11:28 +0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way 4.5hp fan pulley measurements
References: <BAY109-DAV2E3A17EC79196B6A84D61BB620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <014601c5e348$f240a340$210110ac@service>

Rick, just what im looking for, thanks a lot, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Way 4.5hp fan pulley measurements


>   Here are some measurments I took yesterday...sorry for the blur.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom/4
> 
> Let me know if you need more...pulley and fan HUB casting are 2 separate 
> pieces..look's like maybe a shrink fit.
> 
> RickinMt. 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 19:51:36 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 22:51:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tulare Swap Meet
Message-ID: <19c.401d452b.30a02948@aol.com>

Hi List,
I was able to go to the Tulare swap meet this week end.   Lot of interesting 
items for sale.  There was a couple of engines (Dishpan  Fairbanks Morse & IHC 
LA) that nearly followed me home.  However,  I did NOT think they were made 
of gold as the sellers did.  They both  needed a lot of TLC.
There was several members of EDGE & TA Branch 27 getting rid of  their 
surplus equipment.
In talking with some of the people at the meet, I found out that  many drove 
a considerable distant to come to this meet.  I would estimate  there were 
about 50 - 60 sellers of engines, equipment, and tractors.  Some  of the 
attendees said that the selling crowd was smaller this year than  last year.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 13:01:26 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:01:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <20051106210126.3950.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Dave. I'll look into that one.
Ron

Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
> 
> 
> > Gary Epps wrote:
> > Hi Ron,
> > I use an Olympus C770. I started my search looking for a shirt pocket 
> > camera but ended up buying the Olmypus because it has a 10x optical 
> > zoom. It also has a 4.1x or such digital zoom. I haven't yet used the 
> > digital zoom, but combined they give a 40x zoom. It is a 4 meg camera 
> > and takes very good pictures. It uses lithium ion batteries dedicated 
> > to the camera. I bought it on ebay through the Olympus store.
> > Gary
> 
> > Thanks Gary, for the info. Will add it to the list .
> > Ron
> 
> Hi Ron, I bought a Konica Minolta Z3 a couple of days ago & I am very pleased with it.
> It has a 10X zoom (Forget the electronic zoom!) & Macro & super Macro.
> I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom.
> I also took a Super Macro of our smallest coin & despite me holding the camera by hand the shake has
> almost been eliminated by the camera
> See the last 5 pictures on
> http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW
> Regards,
> Dave Croft

I don't normaly talk to myself but just a couple of points,
Webshots seems to be playing up by not letting you go to the next picture.
You have to go back & pick another!
The other thing is the camera has a X12 optical zoom.
See http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/KMZ3/Z3A.HTM
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:44:11 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:44:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] 'Superior' diesel engines
In-Reply-To: <002101c5e31f$cf0d64e0$885d1f40@Eagle>
References: <6f6025160511052350r70584a43h11ecd82f9914da3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c5e31f$cf0d64e0$885d1f40@Eagle>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511062344o4223af03k7f6b45da03d430a7@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, Bob Willman <blcksmth at wcnet.org> wrote:
>     Is the small one a model IA diesel engine and the large one a model ID?
> Those engines are listed in the 1939 National Supply catalog without
> generators. With generators they appear to become models GA-2 and
> GA-8.
>
> Bob Willman

Hi Bob:

I have a 1949 American Diesel Engine Catalog with most manufacturers
in it, but the Superior engines in there are much larger, 4 cylinders
and above.

Can you scan a picture out of your info and email it over?  we are on
DSL so size isn't a problem.

Thanks,

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:45:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
In-Reply-To: <20051106233105.37154.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <436E85B6.4070608@scrtc.com>
	<20051106233105.37154.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511062345nea1d383u5961925f4651fac6@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> TT, et. al.-
> When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> that point.
> JM
>

One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Mon Nov  7 00:15:04 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:15:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bendigo Swap - Whos going??
Message-ID: <13078503.1131351305423.JavaMail.root@web06sl>

Hi guys,
           was wondering who was planning to head to the Bendigo swap on the weekend?

Adam


From flywheel at netconnect.com.au  Mon Nov  7 02:34:45 2005
From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:34:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bendigo Swap - Whos going??
In-Reply-To: <13078503.1131351305423.JavaMail.root@web06sl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051107213413.00c106b0@mail.netconnect.com.au>

I am!

Wouldn't ever miss it :)

Regards,

Mark

At 07:15 PM 07/11/2005 +1100, Adam Cottrill wrote:
>Hi guys,
>            was wondering who was planning to head to the Bendigo swap on 
> the weekend?
>
>Adam
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  7 03:25:17 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:25:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <110720051125.16455.436F399D00057B120000404721979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Glad to help John, anytime!
Curt


> Thanks Curt,
>   Someone is blocking my IP lately when I post to the list.
> My messages don't coming through or after 3-4 days.
> Have to find out where the knot sits.
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Test
> 
> 
> > John,
> > Received your msg ok here.
> > Curt
> > 
> > 
> > > 19.40
> 
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Nov  7 03:43:22 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:43:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
In-Reply-To: <004f01c5e32b$28e8c710$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051106132454.21856.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000c01c5e2e2$d6a2b1c0$fa4c1152@no1>	<001f01c5e2f7$de529240$fa4c1152@no1>
	<004f01c5e32b$28e8c710$d29b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <436F3DDA.3060403@steamengine.com.au>

Thinking of Digital - go http://www.dpreview.com/ before you buy!

Nice unbiased reasonably scientific and consistent reviews.

Paul

peter ogborne wrote:
> I have been very happy with my Fuji 602 but after three years a " Spot 
> '' has appeared off centre on the images . I am informed it is on the 
> CCD and not the lens . Not much you can do about it except get another 
> camera . I am considering a Fuji 950.
> Built in bloody obsolescence..........not like old engines!
> 
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  7 04:08:45 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:08:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
In-Reply-To: <20051105040900.RNS14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F20B25A5D1EF09A57074BA8C8650@phx.gbl>

Sounds great Patrick!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=============

>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] More Stover YC video
>Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:09:12 +1100
>
>I fitted my engines own, refurbished, Webster today and filled the fuel 
>tank
>up. It is now running as it should :)
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Stover/05110501.AVI
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
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>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
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From jimp53 at juno.com  Mon Nov  7 07:15:25 2005
From: jimp53 at juno.com (Jim Parenteau)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] unubscribe
Message-ID: <20051107.091602.-369661.1.jimp53@juno.com>




From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov  7 08:16:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:16:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] unubscribe
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We refer to this list as the Hotel California............

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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov  7 09:08:30 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:08:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] H&M Famous question
Message-ID: <436F8A0E.7040004@imc-group.com>

At Cotton Ginning Days my 8HP Famous sawrig got to where it was latching 
out less and less and the speed was getting higher and higher. Now I 
need to make the repair to correct this. I have the latchout lever out 
and have determined the only worn part is the roller that runs on the 
governor ring. At the moment it measures 1.20 OD.

I am guessing they made this a "normal" diameter and in the "as new" 
condition should be 1.250 diameter. Can someone can confirm this?

Also this part has no heat treat, which was a real surprise. Perhaps it 
has been replaced in the past and is why it wore out....
Does anyone know if this part was originally heat treated? Or did they 
leave it soft to save the governor ring?

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov  7 09:27:11 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:27:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)
Message-ID: <436F8E6F.6070700@imc-group.com>

During the summer I posted some pictures of a tray cooled early Alamo 
that followed me home. I've been putting it together over the last few 
months. There was one missing part and I made a pattern of the latch out 
arm, had it cast, and machined it. The latch out works well now.

Now I am working on timing the engine, getting the exhaust valve opening 
and closing at the right time, and the ignitor tripping at the right time.

This is a walking beam style engine. I have adjusted the button on the 
bottom of the exhaust valve so that the exhaust valve closes right at 
TDC or just the slightest bit past TDC. That's as it should be. But as I 
continue to roll it thru the valve doesn't open until fully at BTC or 
even slightly PAST BTC on the exhaust cycle.

So far all the old gas engines I've worked on open the exhaust valve 
roughly 2/3's the way thru the power stroke. They all close the exhaust 
valve at TDC or 5? past TDC.

Could some of you fellows with old style Alamo's have a look at your 
engines and share what you see on your engines? Maybe this is the way 
Alamo designed it???

Curt Holland
Scratchin' my head in Gastonia, NC


From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Nov  7 09:49:14 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:49:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
Message-ID: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>

Peter:

Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to Minnesota, 
there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to ship 
wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very interesting 
place.

Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.

Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a healthy 
respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.

Regards,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>
>On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > TT, et. al.-
> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> > that point.
> > JM
> >
>
>One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov  7 10:34:29 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:34:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)
In-Reply-To: <436F8E6F.6070700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <011d01c5e3c9$e4e10150$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> bottom of the exhaust valve so that the exhaust valve closes right at 
> TDC or just the slightest bit past TDC. That's as it should 
> be. But as I continue to roll it thru the valve doesn't open until fully at
BTC or 
> even slightly PAST BTC on the exhaust cycle.

Hi Curt,
This is nothing to get upset about.  There were plenty of old engines that fail
to meet the criteria of the 21st century top-fueler.  Sometimes the cam just
doesn't have the duration that you're looking for.  

Two things to remember:

1.  Consider a mark on the flywheel that is rotating.  As that mark approaches a
point indicating tdc, the speed of the piston is approaching zero.  So if you're
a few degress early or late, the actual effect is negligable.

2.  Modern engines open the exhaust early to allow the expanding gasses
oportunity to expand out of the cylinder so the engine doesn't have to work as
hard to push them out.  On a slow running engine, the valve can be opened much
later, allowing more use of the expanding gasses without causing the engine to
work excessively to exhaust the gasses.  But the trig involved in Rule 1 also
applies, so as the piston approaches the bottom of its travel, the power derived
from the pressure in the cylinder approaches zero.  

Experiment:
1.  Set the exhaust timing to open as early as you can.  Listen to the exhaust
report.  
2.  Set the exhuast timing to open near bottom.  Listen to the exhuast report.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 











From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov  7 10:54:33 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:54:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051106015644.8750.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012601c5e3cc$b29f1210$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Promptly....tomorrow.
> You'll (maybe) enjoy and/or become angry.  

Hi Jim,
Yep, I enjoyed the story.  It's great that you were able to salvage some of
gramp's iron.  The history of the iron is very important and becomes rarer as
time passes, memories fade, and collectors just tip over.  Thanks for taking the
time to share it.

Rob





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 11:29:02 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:29:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <012601c5e3cc$b29f1210$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051107192902.97551.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

While that ain't ALL it, it is representative.  Thanks
for your response.
My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
skill/knowledge set to remediate those old articles. 
Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at least,
interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy for
its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00 off
of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
JM

--- Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> > Promptly....tomorrow.
> > You'll (maybe) enjoy and/or become angry.  
> 
> Hi Jim,
> Yep, I enjoyed the story.  It's great that you were
> able to salvage some of
> gramp's iron.  The history of the iron is very
> important and becomes rarer as
> time passes, memories fade, and collectors just tip
> over.  Thanks for taking the
> time to share it.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 14:59:37 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:59:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras
Message-ID: <22e.a0250f.30a13659@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & 
tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom. >>


Hi Dave,

Can you believe those steeple jack ladders??  Wonder how they got them up 
there?
They must be crazy to say the least!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Mon Nov  7 16:16:30 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:16:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <436FEE5E.5090309@fidnet.com>

Actually it is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.  It is just above 
Paridise, MI.  There is also a lighthouse museum there as well.  I find 
the area to be a very quiet and restful place.  It is a quietness that 
you don't expect.

As an aside, Paridise is in the UP and Hell is down closer to Detroit.

Gary

William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
> Peter:
> 
> Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to 
> Minnesota, there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is 
> devoted to ship wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond 
> Fitzgerald, very interesting place.
> 
> Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.
> 
> Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a 
> healthy respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.
> 
> Regards,
> Peg Pfeiffer
> 
> 
>> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>>
>> On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > TT, et. al.-
>> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
>> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
>> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
>> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
>> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
>> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
>> > that point.
>> > JM
>> >
>>
>> One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?
>>
>> Peter
>> -- 
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov  7 16:25:26 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:25:26 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras (Now OT)
References: <22e.a0250f.30a13659@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c5e3fa$eba90920$fa4c1152@no1>

http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras


> In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
> << I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket & 
> tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom. >>
> 
> Hi Dave,
> Can you believe those steeple jack ladders??  Wonder how they got them up 
> there?
> They must be crazy to say the least!
> Tom Schmutz

Hi Tom, I was showing the picture in the Pub last night & a friend of mine said his young
son had spotted the ladders & was fascinated. I gave him the picture.
This evening I rang the steeplejack & told him of the lads interest & asked when they would 
be up the ladders again.
He said they were waiting for a government grant & it would be about Easter before they finished the job.
He said the ladders were held in place by pins they drove into the bricks & they would remove them when 
the job was finished.
I asked him was he brave or stupid to do that job  & he said "Probably Both" & started laughing.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov  7 16:53:12 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:53:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)
References: <436F8E6F.6070700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5e3fe$ccdc11a0$a685dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Curt.I just went out and checked my Alamo and it is opening the valve at
about 15Deg before bottom and closing rite on top.If I try to get it earlier
and later  the valve rides and lets go comp as it goes past top on the
firing stroke.My engine runs good at this setting.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:27
Subject: [SEL] Old style Alamo question (not Blue line)


> During the summer I posted some pictures of a tray cooled early Alamo
> that followed me home. I've been putting it together over the last few
> months. There was one missing part and I made a pattern of the latch out
> arm, had it cast, and machined it. The latch out works well now.
>
> Now I am working on timing the engine, getting the exhaust valve opening
> and closing at the right time, and the ignitor tripping at the right time.
>
> This is a walking beam style engine. I have adjusted the button on the
> bottom of the exhaust valve so that the exhaust valve closes right at
> TDC or just the slightest bit past TDC. That's as it should be. But as I
> continue to roll it thru the valve doesn't open until fully at BTC or
> even slightly PAST BTC on the exhaust cycle.
>
> So far all the old gas engines I've worked on open the exhaust valve
> roughly 2/3's the way thru the power stroke. They all close the exhaust
> valve at TDC or 5? past TDC.
>
> Could some of you fellows with old style Alamo's have a look at your
> engines and share what you see on your engines? Maybe this is the way
> Alamo designed it???
>
> Curt Holland
> Scratchin' my head in Gastonia, NC
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 16:56:49 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:56:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <436FEE5E.5090309@fidnet.com>
Message-ID: <20051108005649.83492.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

If (one of you) cares for Gordon Lightfoot, try to
find Tony Rice's cover of Lightfoot's composition
"Shadows". Is it in any way, shape, or form accurate
to assume that the "members" enjoy folk/acoustic
music?  If so, please advise.  I have some direction
that might be enjoyable to you and, of course, I would
like very much to exchange "music info".  Just a
thought.
JM

--- Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:

> Actually it is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. 
> It is just above 
> Paridise, MI.  There is also a lighthouse museum
> there as well.  I find 
> the area to be a very quiet and restful place.  It
> is a quietness that 
> you don't expect.
> 
> As an aside, Paridise is in the UP and Hell is down
> closer to Detroit.
> 
> Gary
> 
> William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
> > Peter:
> > 
> > Next time you are in "the colonies" you should
> plan a visit to 
> > Minnesota, there is a museum on the shore of lake
> Superior that is 
> > devoted to ship wrecks, which houses the bell from
> the Edmond 
> > Fitzgerald, very interesting place.
> > 
> > Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty
> storm.
> > 
> > Since my close encounter with a tornado as a
> child, I really have a 
> > healthy respect for what damage they can do very,
> quickly.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Peg Pfeiffer
> > 
> > 
> >> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
> >>
> >> On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> > TT, et. al.-
> >> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits
> the fan
> >> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> >> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> >> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November
> come
> >> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the
> shores of
> >> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity
> of
> >> > that point.
> >> > JM
> >> >
> >>
> >> One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory
> serves me correctly?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> -- 
> >> Peter A Forbes
> >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where
> both life and I move 
> at a leisurely pace.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov  7 17:23:58 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:23:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras (Now OT)
References: <22e.a0250f.30a13659@aol.com> <000a01c5e3fa$eba90920$fa4c1152@no1>
Message-ID: <00e001c5e403$197aa4f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I never got the first mail on this thread Dave.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras (Now OT)


> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Off topic kinda Cameras
>
>
>> In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:
>> << I was playing with it this morning while shopping at the supermarket &
>> tried it in wide angle & 10X zoom. >>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>> Can you believe those steeple jack ladders??  Wonder how they got them up
>> there?
>> They must be crazy to say the least!
>> Tom Schmutz
>
> Hi Tom, I was showing the picture in the Pub last night & a friend of mine 
> said his young
> son had spotted the ladders & was fascinated. I gave him the picture.
> This evening I rang the steeplejack & told him of the lads interest & 
> asked when they would
> be up the ladders again.
> He said they were waiting for a government grant & it would be about 
> Easter before they finished the job.
> He said the ladders were held in place by pins they drove into the bricks 
> & they would remove them when
> the job was finished.
> I asked him was he brave or stupid to do that job  & he said "Probably 
> Both" & started laughing.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> England
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 13:20:16 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:20:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511071320t3637d8f1h96bec75ced23f36e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to Minnesota,
> there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to ship
> wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very interesting
> place.
>
> Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.
>
> Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a healthy
> respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Peg Pfeiffer

Hi Peg:

It's an interesting if sad bit of music, but very poignant as it was
apparently a true story.

Anniversary of the sinking on the 10th November, website: http://www.ssefo.com/

Loads of places around the lakes we would both like to see, but
probably never get the time....

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From junque at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  7 17:54:15 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:54:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>

Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked 
to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members 
who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives 
me ulcers :-).

Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful, 
wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the 
population at any given time in history. :-)
Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the 
nearest substantial archives.




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Nov  7 18:00:13 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:00:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
References: <20051108005649.83492.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c5e408$2850c360$64bed2cc@pengy>

THis member enjoys folk music, especially the wreck of the Eddie Fitz.   

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald


> If (one of you) cares for Gordon Lightfoot, try to
> find Tony Rice's cover of Lightfoot's composition
> "Shadows". Is it in any way, shape, or form accurate
> to assume that the "members" enjoy folk/acoustic
> music?  If so, please advise.  I have some direction
> that might be enjoyable to you and, of course, I would
> like very much to exchange "music info".  Just a
> thought.
> JM
> 
> --- Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Actually it is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. 
>> It is just above 
>> Paridise, MI.  There is also a lighthouse museum
>> there as well.  I find 
>> the area to be a very quiet and restful place.  It
>> is a quietness that 
>> you don't expect.
>> 
>> As an aside, Paridise is in the UP and Hell is down
>> closer to Detroit.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote:
>> > Peter:
>> > 
>> > Next time you are in "the colonies" you should
>> plan a visit to 
>> > Minnesota, there is a museum on the shore of lake
>> Superior that is 
>> > devoted to ship wrecks, which houses the bell from
>> the Edmond 
>> > Fitzgerald, very interesting place.
>> > 
>> > Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty
>> storm.
>> > 
>> > Since my close encounter with a tornado as a
>> child, I really have a 
>> > healthy respect for what damage they can do very,
>> quickly.
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > Peg Pfeiffer
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>> >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>> >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>> >>
>> >> On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > TT, et. al.-
>> >> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits
>> the fan
>> >> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
>> >> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
>> >> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November
>> come
>> >> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the
>> shores of
>> >> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity
>> of
>> >> > that point.
>> >> > JM
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory
>> serves me correctly?
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >> -- 
>> >> Peter A Forbes
>> >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SEL mailing list
>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >>
>>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >
>>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> -- 
>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where
>> both life and I move 
>> at a leisurely pace.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com  Mon Nov  7 18:47:13 2005
From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:47:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c5e40e$b95bbf80$cfc87040@user>

Believe today is the anniversary of the sinking of the Edmond Fitzgerald...

Paul Russell
Riga, Michigan
hit_n_miss at tc3net.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald


Peter:

Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to Minnesota,
there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to ship
wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very interesting
place.

Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.

Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a healthy
respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.

Regards,
Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
>
>On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > TT, et. al.-
> > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> > that point.
> > JM
> >
>
>One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me correctly?
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
>_______________________________________________
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Nov  7 18:49:32 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:49:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
Message-ID: <00db01c5e40f$0c6f99d0$dd416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I must have missed something here, the following does not make a bit of 
sense to me.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robt" <junque at shaw.ca>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7


Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked
to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members
who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives
me ulcers :-).

Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful,
wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the
population at any given time in history. :-)
Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the
nearest substantial archives.


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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov  7 20:07:14 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:07:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051107230452.045c8008@mail.alltel.net>

What the good hell is this rant all about? I thought we didn't allow 
LIBERALS or MAYTAG owners on the List!
         Dave

At 08:54 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote:
>Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked to 
>iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members who 
>possess no conscience.  Other than
>that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives me 
>ulcers :-).
>
>Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful, 
>wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the population 
>at any given time in history. :-)
>Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the nearest 
>substantial archives.



From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Nov  7 21:35:27 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:35:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
References: <BAY104-F35128B70AFAD265FC8FC61E7650@phx.gbl>
	<002f01c5e40e$b95bbf80$cfc87040@user>
Message-ID: <00b501c5e426$3a6f73c0$651117d1@net.telenet.net>

Thursday Nov. 10 is the 30th anniversary of the sinking.

http://www.ssefo.com/  For a nice site about the Fitz.
http://www.boatnerd.com/fitz/ For more info and pictures and the song.

http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/ama.htm
This is the ship that was with the Fitz when she went down.


Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Russell" <hit_n_miss at tc3net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald


> Believe today is the anniversary of the sinking of the Edmond
Fitzgerald...
>
> Paul Russell
> Riga, Michigan
> hit_n_miss at tc3net.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
>
>
> Peter:
>
> Next time you are in "the colonies" you should plan a visit to
Minnesota,
> there is a museum on the shore of lake Superior that is devoted to
ship
> wrecks, which houses the bell from the Edmond Fitzgerald, very
interesting
> place.
>
> Glad to hear all our SEL survived this nasty storm.
>
> Since my close encounter with a tornado as a child, I really have a
healthy
> respect for what damage they can do very, quickly.
>
> Regards,
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
> >From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern Indiana Storm
> >Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:44 +0000
> >
> >On 11/6/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > TT, et. al.-
> > > When November rolls around and the "s..t hits the fan
> > > weather-wise", I am always reminded of Gordon
> > > Lightfoot's line within "Wreck of the Edmund
> > > Fitzgerald".   "....when the winds of November come
> > > slashing".  Those of us residing upon the shores of
> > > the Great Lakes know only too well the validity of
> > > that point.
> > > JM
> > >
> >
> >One of my favourite songs, from 1975 if my memory serves me
correctly?
> >
> >Peter
> >--
> >Peter A Forbes
> >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> >
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Nov  7 20:04:46 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:04:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT  Southern Indiana Storm/Edmond Fitzgerald
In-Reply-To: <00d901c5e408$2850c360$64bed2cc@pengy>
References: <20051108005649.83492.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00d901c5e408$2850c360$64bed2cc@pengy>
Message-ID: <86c75efcc52b7af288cd62ccfc5cce15@chartertn.net>

Yeah, it's a great song.

John

On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> THis member enjoys folk music, especially the wreck of the Eddie Fitz.
> Rick


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov  7 22:16:24 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:16:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051107175314.02d02770@shawmail>
	<00db01c5e40f$0c6f99d0$dd416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <001101c5e42b$f34a8100$7085dccb@oemcomputer>

Me either,must be a of topic private conversation.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:49
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7


> I must have missed something here, the following does not make a bit of 
> sense to me.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robt" <junque at shaw.ca>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:54 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
> 
> 
> Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked
> to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members
> who possess no conscience.  Other than
> that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives
> me ulcers :-).
> 
> Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful,
> wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the
> population at any given time in history. :-)
> Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the
> nearest substantial archives.
> 
> 
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From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Tue Nov  8 02:45:44 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:45:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies: Public Event Calendar now available on
 Steam & Engine
Message-ID: <437081D8.5000408@steamengine.com.au>

Hi guys,
I've added a new public event calendar feature to Steam & Engine of Australia for people to add their club events, 
rallies, etc.

Please, only Australian entries!! (Yes, for our purposes, New Zealand is Australian :) .

http://www.steamengine.com.au/cgi-bin/yacal.cgi

Paul
-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Nov  8 04:13:27 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:13:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
Message-ID: <110820051213.11755.43709666000DD23200002DEB21979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Yeh Dave....show em the pics of what can hapen to them liberal maytag owners!
Curt


> What the good hell is this rant all about? I thought we didn't allow 
> LIBERALS or MAYTAG owners on the List!
>          Dave
> 
> At 08:54 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote:
> >Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked to 
> >iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members who 
> >possess no conscience.  Other than
> >that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives me 
> >ulcers :-).
> >
> >Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful, 
> >wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the population 
> >at any given time in history. :-)
> >Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the nearest 
> >substantial archives.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 04:19:49 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:19:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051107192902.97551.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7EA3C61F2440E28CE4423C8640@phx.gbl>

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it under cover now, the 
weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious what the engine is that 
you saved. Does it look anything like this one?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

============================

>From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>
>While that ain't ALL it, it is representative.  Thanks
>for your response.
>My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
>machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
>skill/knowledge set to remediate those old articles.
>Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
>that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at least,
>interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
>things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy for
>its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
>knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
>"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00 off
>of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
>away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
>JM




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 04:36:25 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:36:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e42b$f34a8100$7085dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F311254B3A9D0E94D2A6667C8640@phx.gbl>

The little bit about greedy wretched ulcers was taken from the post that 
James Moran made about his wifes farm in New York. I'll attach it at the end 
of this post so it can be read by anyone that missed it.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================================

>From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>
>Me either,must be a of topic private conversation.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>
>
> > I must have missed something here, the following does not make a bit of
> > sense to me.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim and Diane Kirkes
> > Hemet, CA
> > jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robt" <junque at shaw.ca>
> >
> >
> > Those of you savvy nough to read between my lines will not be shocked
> > to iscover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy family members
> > who possess no conscience.  Other than
> > that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any further, as it gives
> > me ulcers :-).
> >
> > Don't let it.  I'm happy to report that the inherently "ungrateful,
> > wretched and greedy" are more or less a fixed proportion of the
> > population at any given time in history. :-)
> > Hope you will consider donating or loaning relevant papers to the
> > nearest substantial archives.

================================================

>From :  James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
Reply-To :  The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent :  Sunday, November 6, 2005 6:09 PM
To :  The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject :  RE: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


OK....I'll relate this tale in stages, as it embraces
over 100 years :-)
You might want to start by going to Google Earth and
searching 60 Golden Road, Rochester, New York 14624.
You will see my wife's family's farm/business site.
As an indicator, the barn behind the house bears a
"1902" plaque.
The Graham family began with a basic, upstate New York
farm (cows, chickens, struggle, etc.).  I have
unearthed a preponderance of records (as with most
folks who survived the depression and other travails)
NOTHIN' was ever too broke or old to discard.  The
earliest diary that I was able to find was dated 1902
with pencil scrawls such as "bot haf booshel #2 corn
seed OR solid my beens (you get the picture, I am
sure).
In 1913 (as far as I can determine) my wife's great
grandfather started up a fuel business, dealing in
oil, gasoline, and kerosene.  These materials were
delivered via horse drawn wagon and, in the winter, on
a sleigh affair.  I know this for certain because we
have a bevy of photos from that vintage AND the wagon
with its steel wheels is still there...buried in the
weeds along with all sorts of other relics, including
the hit -n- miss in which many of you seem to have an
avid interest.  It is a humorous note that the farm
house never "went oil" until my wife's (Cynthia in
name, by the way) grandfather went over the great
divide.  Reason?  Because, even though he sold fuel
oil, he did not trust it.  The home was heated with
wood or coal and they never installed "city water",
even though is it available right at the street.  The
old pump is still in the rear of the woodshed (off of
the kitchen) and still works to this day.
Interestingly, the DID take advantage of city sewars.
Don't ask me the rationale.
Anyway, the oil business did not end the farming
effort.  This is why I was able to find h-n-m stuff,
buzz saws, portable pumps, corn shredders and a raft
of other devices.  The farm tractors were (I'll put
this as gently as I can) "taken" by my wife's cousin.
I know factually that there was an M and a robust
Oliver (which I loved).  I can't do anything about
that and will not try.  However....DAMMIT!
Again, as you scan north on your Google Earth image,
you will see three above ground storage tank, each
able to contain 20k gallons.  One was for oil, one for
gasoline, one for kero.  The shed that you'll see to
the west of the tank house the pumping unit which
moved the above-mentioned products to the correct
tank.  There is not and never was electricity run to
that shed.  How was the pumping accomplished?  By
utilizing the McCormick-Deering 10-20.  I am of the
belief that the M/D never saw too much action in the
fields.  Rather, it appears that it was bought as a
dedicated pump-driving machine.  I have searched for
the original bill of sale and the manuals, but, so
far, have come up empty.  In that the shed always
housed the pump and all, the elements did not wreak
havoc.  Funny, there was even a sort of old quilt
thrown over the hood of the tractor.  The floor of the
shed was of a very fine silt-like dirt (no concrete,
that is to say).  It was completely dry and, in fact,
there were fox holes inside of the building.  In
passing, let me note that I found (in the M/D's "tool
box")a record book for fuel transfers (deliveries) and
the date of that volume is 1957.  This would lead one
to the conclusion that that was the last year of
active service, but I know that this is not
accurate...the business went on until quite recently
and I know for a fact that the three tanks were closed
(in accordance to DEC, etc.) in 1993.  Hmmmm.....
As I have previously posted, the M/D is complete in
every way.  The sheet metal is intact (even the
ventilated/piano hinged engine shrouds).  Everything
is legible.  Both the left and right rear fenders call
out "McCormick Deering 10-20".  The serial plate is
perfect, reading the 10 and 20 horsepower statements
of which I am sure you all know so well.  Even the
"starting instructions" on the left housing is clear
as a bell. The front and rear steel wheels show
virtually no "wear"...the cleats are solid and fully
present.  While the body paint has oxidized, one can
see "tell tale" red pain on the rear steel wheels.
The breather and the exhaust are undamaged, despite
that fact the the guys who dismantled the shed managed
to collapse the building down on top of the tractor!
After we carefully removed the debris of the destoyed
shed, I was able to get a strong look at the tractor
and, of course, make provisions to move it out of the
open air.  I was concerned that the wheels would be
frozen but, when I hooked onto the front with a slip
chain and began the tentative pull, all four went
around without even a creak!
The tractor has been moved to the concrete block
garage across from the farm house (again...look at the
Google thing and remember, that service is not real
time.  The images are about two years old, as I
understand it). This is a solid building...good roof,
really dry, and with a concrete floor.  Both the M/D
and the h-n-m are now safely inside and both claim to
be happy in their new digs :-).
Back to the "never throw anything away" lifestyle.  If
you look around your Google image, you will be able to
discern old oil delivery trucks and, even, an old
Caddy.  Between the "outside" ones and the ones that
were dumped "inside", I have to deal with a total of
nine such vehicles.  The fuel trucks (all outfitted
with multi-compartment tanks) are of the
fifties/sixties vintage.  This little gift was from
Cynthia's now dead uncle, a nice enough guy I guess,
but a slob of the first order.  He abandoned oil drums
and jugs filled with God-knows-what.  Naturally, these
must be disposed in a manner consistent with common
sense and in accordance to the DEC's firm opinions of
such things.  For any of you who have had experiences
with such situations, you will be familiar with Phase
I and Phase II analysis work.  We are now at the
conclusion of PII.  I know that there are three buried
tanks which will require excavation and the earth
surrounding them will also have to be removed and (as
I understand it) incinerated.
All of this misery is a result of the uncle kicking
off and Cynthia's old mother coming down with a really
bad case of the Altzheimer's.  It has fallen to us to
remediate the 77 acres of property and, then, find a
suitable buyer.  Again, scan east and west and you'll
see housing developments at each border ($250k+
private residence deals).  Once we have a clean bill
of health, some developer will buy the land, raze the
buildings, and do a build-out.  That will bring to an
end this whole unsavory affain.  Those of you savvy
enough to read between my lines will not be shocked to
discover a series of ungrateful, wretched, greedy
family members who possess no conscience.  Other than
that statement, I don't wish to explore THAT any
further, as it gives me ulcers :-).
Well, there are the broad strokes of it.  I don't have
the time to run spell check so forgive such mistakes,
please.  If any of you out there are close to
Rochester, please let me know.  I would be glad to
show you the tractor, etc.  As stated, I'll try to
post some photos.  BTW, the only "marking" on the
h-'n-m is on the mag...it reads "WICO".  Does that
mean anything to anyone.
If you have questions or comments, let me know.
Thanks.
JM




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 05:20:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 05:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7EA3C61F2440E28CE4423C8640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051108132054.14583.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

LT-
Yes, it looks very much like the one you posted.  That
said, what "brand" is it, etc.?
Some confusion regarding the "farm story" email, it
seems.  Hoping that this caused no problems for
anyone.
JM

--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I
> sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
> like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it
> under cover now, the 
> weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious
> what the engine is that 
> you saved. Does it look anything like this one?
> 
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
> ============================
> 
> >From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> >
> >While that ain't ALL it, it is representative. 
> Thanks
> >for your response.
> >My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
> >machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
> >skill/knowledge set to remediate those old
> articles.
> >Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
> >that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at
> least,
> >interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
> >things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy
> for
> >its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
> >knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
> >"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00
> off
> >of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
> >away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
> >JM
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 05:36:57 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:36:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] Off topic kinda  Cameras (Now OT)
Message-ID: <256.8148ca.30a203f9@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/2005 7:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

<< He said the ladders were held in place by pins they drove into the bricks 
& they would remove them when the job was finished.  >>

Dave,

I would not want to be the one to remove the pins!  Of course I would not 
have been the one to climb the ladders or put the pins in the first place either!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 06:04:28 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:04:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F7EA3C61F2440E28CE4423C8640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051108140428.98044.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

LK, et. al.-
Another thing that I neglected to mention in the
history write-up thing.  This may be of interest to
some of you or none of you but, anyway...
As I mentioned, the farm site was also used as the
operational base for the fuel oil business.  In
addition to the tractor, etc. I found many "vintage"
gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
styles from the sixties or so.  My understanding is
that some of these at least DO have value.  For
example, the early ones are crafted from heavy iron
and stand in the seven foot tall range.  Along with
the pumps I found a substantial number of brand-new
(that is to say never used) hemispherical glass lenses
that were used to call out the brand name of the fuel
when mounted to the pumps.  There is more related
stuff such as old fashioned oil dispensers and the
containers into which oil was poured.  Also really old
greasers,etc.
Again, most of you probably don't care about these
kinds of things but I thought that I would pass it on
anyway. :-)
JM

--- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I
> sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
> like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it
> under cover now, the 
> weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious
> what the engine is that 
> you saved. Does it look anything like this one?
> 
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
> 
> ============================
> 
> >From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> >
> >While that ain't ALL it, it is representative. 
> Thanks
> >for your response.
> >My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
> >machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
> >skill/knowledge set to remediate those old
> articles.
> >Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
> >that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at
> least,
> >interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
> >things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy
> for
> >its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
> >knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
> >"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00
> off
> >of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
> >away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
> >JM
> 
> 
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 06:50:03 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:50:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051108140428.98044.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F10FC02C98147D666FA7441C8640@phx.gbl>

Jim,

Sounds like what you have is a gold mine! Those old gas pumps and the globes 
can be worth ALOT!

The engine that I posted is a Hercules.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=========================

>From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
>
>LK, et. al.-
>Another thing that I neglected to mention in the
>history write-up thing.  This may be of interest to
>some of you or none of you but, anyway...
>As I mentioned, the farm site was also used as the
>operational base for the fuel oil business.  In
>addition to the tractor, etc. I found many "vintage"
>gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
>20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
>styles from the sixties or so.  My understanding is
>that some of these at least DO have value.  For
>example, the early ones are crafted from heavy iron
>and stand in the seven foot tall range.  Along with
>the pumps I found a substantial number of brand-new
>(that is to say never used) hemispherical glass lenses
>that were used to call out the brand name of the fuel
>when mounted to the pumps.  There is more related
>stuff such as old fashioned oil dispensers and the
>containers into which oil was poured.  Also really old
>greasers,etc.
>Again, most of you probably don't care about these
>kinds of things but I thought that I would pass it on
>anyway. :-)
>JM
>




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Nov  8 07:03:38 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:03:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <50ebe150f3e4.50f3e450ebe1@southeast.rr.com>

James:
  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those petroleum items as a 
hobby.  Contact me off list at   mr at carolina.rr.com

Thanks,
Mike Royster

----- Original Message -----
From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2005 9:04 am
Subject: RE: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!

> LK, et. al.-
> Another thing that I neglected to mention in the
> history write-up thing.  This may be of interest to
> some of you or none of you but, anyway...
> As I mentioned, the farm site was also used as the
> operational base for the fuel oil business.  In
> addition to the tractor, etc. I found many "vintage"
> gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
> 20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
> styles from the sixties or so.  My understanding is
> that some of these at least DO have value.  For
> example, the early ones are crafted from heavy iron
> and stand in the seven foot tall range.  Along with
> the pumps I found a substantial number of brand-new
> (that is to say never used) hemispherical glass lenses
> that were used to call out the brand name of the fuel
> when mounted to the pumps.  There is more related
> stuff such as old fashioned oil dispensers and the
> containers into which oil was poured.  Also really old
> greasers,etc.
> Again, most of you probably don't care about these
> kinds of things but I thought that I would pass it on
> anyway. :-)
> JM
> 
> --- Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for taking the time to write all that up. I
> > sure enjoyed it. Sounds 
> > like McD is in fabulous shape. Glad that you have it
> > under cover now, the 
> > weather sure can beat them down fast. Still curious
> > what the engine is that 
> > you saved. Does it look anything like this one?
> > 
> >
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/myshow/jaeger2.jpg
> > 
> > Luke Tonneberger
> > Rockford, Michigan
> > USA
> > 
> > ============================
> > 
> > >From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >While that ain't ALL it, it is representative. 
> > Thanks
> > >for your response.
> > >My greatest frustration (at least in terms of the
> > >machinery) is my lack of time and (especially) the
> > >skill/knowledge set to remediate those old
> > articles.
> > >Frankly, I am mildly surprised that I actuall knew
> > >that the H-'n-M was something of value or, at
> > least,
> > >interest.  If I was any more unfamiliar with such
> > >things, I might have let it go with the scrap guy
> > for
> > >its metal weight value.  BTW, the contractor who
> > >knocked down that shed around the M/D wanted to
> > >"squirm out" of the problem by offering me $100.00
> > off
> > >of the demolition bill and his "promise" to haul it
> > >away.  AT least I did not fall for THAT :-).
> > >JM
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 13:00:19 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:00:19 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <247.984cb7.30a26be3@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 9:19:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:

<< I found many "vintage"
 gasoline dispensing pumps.  These range from the early
 20'/30's gravity fill type up to more contemporary
 styles from the sixties or so. >>

Jim,

Sounds like you have a lot of treasures and need to find yourself a good 
auctioneer who will advertise and get the word around for the sale!




Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 13:38:13 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:38:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <144.51a06675.30a274c5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
mr at carolina.rr.com writes:

<<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those petroleum items as a 
 hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>


James,

Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am in the engine business so 
you may as well contact me off list about the engine too!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 14:06:42 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <144.51a06675.30a274c5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

Gentlemen...
I am curious as to why "off list" would be a necessity
other than to not "bog down" the communications for
the balance.
Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
Jim Moran

--- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> 
> <<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those
> petroleum items as a 
>  hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>
> 
> 
> James,
> 
> Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am
> in the engine business so 
> you may as well contact me off list about the engine
> too!
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov  8 14:45:46 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:45:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511081737100.25794@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

Gee that's an easy question.  Mike (aka one of the Cloistered Oyster
Brothers) is a well known scalliwag.  He senses that you have located a
treasure trove and are clueless as to the real value of these items.

He wishes to have the "negotiation" take place off list so that no one can
see how badly he fleeces you and so that other potential competition
doesn't come sniffing around the "easy meat".

When Mike sez he "buys and sells as a hobby" he fails to mention that his
OTHER hobby is counting the piles of gold coins that have come from his
"hobby" profits.

In time you'll come to learn who is trustworthy among us.
I, for example, am to be trusted totally.

Hope that helps.

See ya,  Arnie (The Trusted One)

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> Gentlemen...
> I am curious as to why "off list" would be a necessity
> other than to not "bog down" the communications for
> the balance.
> Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> Jim Moran
>
> --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
>
> > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > >
> > > I am in the oil business and buy and sell those
> > > petroleum items as a hobby.  Contact me off list at
> >
> > James,
> > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am
> > in the engine business so you may as well contact me off list about
> > the engine too!
> > Tom Schmutz



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Nov  8 14:59:16 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:59:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
References: <20051108220642.39721.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5e4b8$0b6aef40$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>

Because we will be scolded for "off topic" conversation.

Mike Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!


> Gentlemen...
> I am curious as to why "off list" would be a necessity
> other than to not "bog down" the communications for
> the balance.
> Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> Jim Moran
> 
> --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> > Standard Time, 
> > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > 
> > <<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell those
> > petroleum items as a 
> >  hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>
> > 
> > 
> > James,
> > 
> > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I am
> > in the engine business so 
> > you may as well contact me off list about the engine
> > too!
> > 
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va. USA
> > Germoamer at aol.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 15:31:03 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <003001c5e4b8$0b6aef40$f9608645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051108233104.71567.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

MR-
OK, if you say so.  I don't see, however, how these
topics are in any way, shape, or form "off topic".
JM

--- Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> Because we will be scolded for "off topic"
> conversation.
> 
> Mike Royster
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] I found something about which I
> know nothing!!!
> 
> 
> > Gentlemen...
> > I am curious as to why "off list" would be a
> necessity
> > other than to not "bog down" the communications
> for
> > the balance.
> > Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> > certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> > Jim Moran
> > 
> > --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time, 
> > > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > > 
> > > <<  I am in the oil business and buy and sell
> those
> > > petroleum items as a 
> > >  hobby.  Contact me off list at   >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > James,
> > > 
> > > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I
> am
> > > in the engine business so 
> > > you may as well contact me off list about the
> engine
> > > too!
> > > 
> > > Tom Schmutz
> > > Concord, Va. USA
> > > Germoamer at aol.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >
> >
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________ 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 15:38:26 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:38:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511081737100.25794@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051108233827.96899.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

AF-
Thanks for (what I guess is) a heads up.  Ouch!  As I
wrote to my (trusted) friend Mike Sloane a bit ago, I
think that taking the "unsubscribing" route will be a
good idea for me.  Sad, though.  I truly need the
advice and suggestions of a knowledgeable contingent.
So long and, again, thanks for the warnings!
JM

--- Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> Gee that's an easy question.  Mike (aka one of the
> Cloistered Oyster
> Brothers) is a well known scalliwag.  He senses that
> you have located a
> treasure trove and are clueless as to the real value
> of these items.
> 
> He wishes to have the "negotiation" take place off
> list so that no one can
> see how badly he fleeces you and so that other
> potential competition
> doesn't come sniffing around the "easy meat".
> 
> When Mike sez he "buys and sells as a hobby" he
> fails to mention that his
> OTHER hobby is counting the piles of gold coins that
> have come from his
> "hobby" profits.
> 
> In time you'll come to learn who is trustworthy
> among us.
> I, for example, am to be trusted totally.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie (The Trusted One)
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:
> 
> > Gentlemen...
> > I am curious as to why "off list" would be a
> necessity
> > other than to not "bog down" the communications
> for
> > the balance.
> > Anyone is welcome to communicate with me and (most
> > certainly) to pay me a visit.  Hell...I'm easy.
> > Jim Moran
> >
> > --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:26:09 AM
> Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > I am in the oil business and buy and sell
> those
> > > > petroleum items as a hobby.  Contact me off
> list at
> > >
> > > James,
> > > Well, since Mike is in the oil business, guess I
> am
> > > in the engine business so you may as well
> contact me off list about
> > > the engine too!
> > > Tom Schmutz
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov  8 21:37:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:37:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <20051108233104.71567.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c5e4ef$9ef91d90$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> MR-
> OK, if you say so.  I don't see, however, how these
> topics are in any way, shape, or form "off topic".
> JM

In the before times, in the long long ago, the Stationary Engine List was run by
a crazed rusthead by the name of Brice, who, through some sort of agreement, was
able to extort server time from Indiana University.  The University, being a
governmentally funded establishment of much learnedness and wisdom, would not
allow the virtue of their servers to be sullied by the capitalistic exchange of
goods, namely engines.  Thus spaketh the dean:  "Thou shalt not sell stuff on
The List!"  All the rustheads were grateful for the opportunity to exchange
ideas with others through the use of the university's server, so we humbly
obliged.  It was then that the precedent was set.  To this day we honor the
customs of the elders and refrain from blatant selling on The List.  

Rob

P.S.
Still looking for anything about which I know something!
















From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov  8 22:00:47 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 06:00:47 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Manual for Phillips Stirling generator
Message-ID: <007c01c5e4f2$ef43be60$fa4c1152@no1>

Many years ago I owned one of these until I finally sold it to a Swedish collector.
I retained a copy of the manual & I have posted it to my website in case anyone needs it. 
See
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/images/MP%201002%20CA.pdf
(It might take a bit of time to download)
I will put a link in to the site from my publications page when I re-learn how to use Frontpage. 
Regards,

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 08:10:35 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:10:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
Message-ID: <1e1.48e288e3.30a3797b@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:53:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:

<< Thanks for (what I guess is) a heads up.  Ouch!  As I
 wrote to my (trusted) friend Mike Sloane a bit ago, I
 think that taking the "unsubscribing" route will be a
 good idea for me.   >>

Jim,

Do not leave the list as folks have enjoyed your write ups about the 
treasures on your place and folks are willing to give you help and advice in any way.  
Going "off list" is a way for folks on the list to contact each other 
directly about business transactions, personal stuff, etc., that only you and the 
other party are interested in.    

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov  9 09:47:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:47:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pinstriping with 'One-Shot'
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1170284EBFBF1C7ABECFABB670@phx.gbl>

  Interesting thread here on clear coating over One-Shot in regards to 
pinstriping;

http://forum.eastwood.com/showthread.php?t=1379

Live is a little snowy :-) 23 above this a.m.

RickinMt. 


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Nov  9 14:58:35 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:58:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I found something about which I know nothing!!!
In-Reply-To: <1e1.48e288e3.30a3797b@aol.com>
References: <1e1.48e288e3.30a3797b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3bff35314ea2a884658fa60707804f74@chartertn.net>

Guys, he's already gone. I've talked to him off-List and explained the 
joking, but he unsubscribed last night.

John

On Nov 9, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:53:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jrmoraninc at yahoo.com writes:
>
> << Thanks for (what I guess is) a heads up.  Ouch!  As I
>  wrote to my (trusted) friend Mike Sloane a bit ago, I
>  think that taking the "unsubscribing" route will be a
>  good idea for me.   >>
>
> Jim,
>
> Do not leave the list as folks have enjoyed your write ups about the
> treasures on your place and folks are willing to give you help and 
> advice in any way.
> Going "off list" is a way for folks on the list to contact each other
> directly about business transactions, personal stuff, etc., that only 
> you and the
> other party are interested in.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  9 17:00:08 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:00:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
Message-ID: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based server. I keep getting this message:
 
An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server: 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x80004005
 
Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
 
Thanks,
 
Paul
 


From oldiron at charter.net  Wed Nov  9 17:39:28 2005
From: oldiron at charter.net (OldIron)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:39:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5e597$a05dee60$6401a8c0@myron>

Try going to tools, accounts, mail tab, highlight the account and then properties, click
the advanced tab. Is the (SSL) check box checked if so uncheck it. Then try and see if
it works. 

Myron in Minnesota

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-
> engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
> 
> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook Express 6.0 e-mail
> and right now I am having to use this web based server. I keep getting this message:
> 
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
> 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number:
> 0x80004005
> 
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do about it. I
> need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  9 17:56:11 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:56:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <000001c5e597$a05dee60$6401a8c0@myron>
Message-ID: <20051110015611.84645.qmail@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Myron for the comeback. I checked this out and the SSL box WAS NOT CHECKED.

 

Paul

 


OldIron <oldiron at charter.net> wrote:
Try going to tools, accounts, mail tab, highlight the account and then properties, click
the advanced tab. Is the (SSL) check box checked if so uncheck it. Then try and see if
it works. 

Myron in Minnesota

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-
> engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:00 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
> 
> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook Express 6.0 e-mail
> and right now I am having to use this web based server. I keep getting this message:
> 
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
> 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number:
> 0x80004005
> 
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do about it. I
> need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net  Wed Nov  9 18:47:42 2005
From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark Shattuck)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:47:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4372B4CE.1010500@Ntelos.Net>

Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments  . Zone Labs 
updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same  error mesg . 

                                                                   Mark 
L Shattuck
                                                                  
Waynesboro Va


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  9 19:47:53 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:47:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <4372B4CE.1010500@Ntelos.Net>
Message-ID: <20051110034753.84443.qmail@web81612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark I completely un installed Norton from the computer, went to control panel, windows firewall and turned off the firewall so that I had no firewall protection whatsoever and then tried to download my e-mail messages and got the same error message. I am about to go off the deep end trying to figure this one out. Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
 
Paul


Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net> wrote:
Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments . Zone Labs 
updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same error mesg . 

Mark 
L Shattuck

Waynesboro Va
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  9 20:28:46 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:28:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
References: <20051110034753.84443.qmail@web81612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <048501c5e5af$3e657080$11478304@net>

Paul

Try this, if you have any emails you want to keep, save as to a new created folder
on your desktop

then empty the inbox, deleted items, and outbox folders

go to start, click find files and folders,  in the command line in the search box,
type   dbx

then click find

when it is done, find the inbox, deleted items and outbox folders, make sure they
have a recent date, like today or when they were last used, highlight them and
delete them

then delete them from th erecycle bin

do a reboot, OE will create new folders of the ones you deleted, then give it a
try

lets at least make sure that the inbox folder is not corrupted, OE starts with a
new fresh folder

Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Mark I completely un installed Norton from the computer, went to control panel,
windows firewall and turned off the firewall so that I had no firewall protection
whatsoever and then tried to download my e-mail messages and got the same error
message. I am about to go off the deep end trying to figure this one out. Thanks
for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Mark Shattuck <MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net> wrote:
> Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments . Zone Labs
> updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same error mesg .
>
> Mark
> L Shattuck
>
> Waynesboro Va
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Nov  9 20:32:57 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:32:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013401c5e5af$d3ab8d00$6a1117d1@net.telenet.net>

Paul,
 That server address doesn't look correct.
try changing it to


Incoming server -  pop.sbcglobal.net

OR pop. whatever the outgoing server has so IF the outgoing server says
mail.sbcglobal.net    the one I listed should work.

That is found under Tools / Accounts /  Mail Tab   Properties / Servers
Tab


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
server. I keep getting this message:
>
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
Error Number: 0x80004005
>
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to
do about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail
client.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Nov  9 23:08:29 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:08:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Non list item
Message-ID: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

To those members in the US.

This is not a list item.  But I would like to bid on an item on Ebay but the seller only posts to the USA.  I require someone to bid on my behalf, up to a limit, and who has a Paypal account with which to bill me the cost of the item including postage and also the postage to Oz.  

Anyone willing can contact me off list.  Thanks

Ron

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 23:37:52 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:52 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Non list item
In-Reply-To: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511092337w48d3d249x750c5faee4e85cc7@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/10/05, Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:
> To those members in the US.
>
> This is not a list item.  But I would like to bid on an item on Ebay but the seller only posts to the USA.  I require someone to bid on my behalf, up to a limit, and who has a Paypal account with which to bill me the cost of the item including postage and also the postage to Oz.
>
> Anyone willing can contact me off list.  Thanks
>
> Ron
>

Ron:

Have you contacted the seller to ask if he would ship to you?

Most people we have contacted directly have been willing to waive the
"US Only" ruling on their auctions for us, we just bought a load of
magneto information that way and it came direct in the end.

It's always worth asking the question, they can only say no...

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Nov 10 00:06:45 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:06:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Non list item
References: <010a01c5e5c5$8e4bfdb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<6f6025160511092337w48d3d249x750c5faee4e85cc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c5e5cd$b20e86c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Thanks for that but I think it is the same people I approached last time and
they would not be in it.  But I will give it another go.

Ron


----- Original Message -----
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Non list item


> On 11/10/05, Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au> wrote:
> > To those members in the US.
> >
> > This is not a list item.  But I would like to bid on an item on Ebay but
the seller only posts to the USA.  I require someone to bid on my behalf, up
to a limit, and who has a Paypal account with which to bill me the cost of
the item including postage and also the postage to Oz.
> >
> > Anyone willing can contact me off list.  Thanks
> >
> > Ron
> >
>
> Ron:
>
> Have you contacted the seller to ask if he would ship to you?
>
> Most people we have contacted directly have been willing to waive the
> "US Only" ruling on their auctions for us, we just bought a load of
> magneto information that way and it came direct in the end.
>
> It's always worth asking the question, they can only say no...
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Thu Nov 10 00:25:08 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:25:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Can anyone help Alan? Question about sydney/oz company James
 Munday & man named Archibald Gunter
Message-ID: <437303E4.3050301@steamengine.com.au>

Thank you Paul for your quick reply. I would appreciate if you could pass my my request on to other mailing lists.

Thanking you    Alan  Kitchen


----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <paulp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "Alan Kitchen" <alankitchen at optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Drive Belts


Hi Alan, sounds like an interesting project, but I'm sorry to say I don't have anything for you.

I can forward your message to a couple of mailing lists where the members may be able to help if you'd like me to.

Paul

Alan Kitchen wrote:
I am doing research on a WW1 AIF Captain Archibald Gunter, Military
Cross (Bank Clerk before enlistment) who upon returning to Australia
worked for a company called James Munday.
I believe they were in Clarence Street Sydney and supplied the large
drive belts for steam engines to run farm machinery etc.
Do you have any History of this company and a long shot on Archibald
Gunter. A.C. Gunter worked for James Munday for the rest of his working
life, apart for several years in uniform WW11.

Thanking yoy for any help.

Alan  Kitchen   02 9594 0254



-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 10 05:13:12 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:13:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <048501c5e5af$3e657080$11478304@net>
Message-ID: <20051110131312.68205.qmail@web81611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Clint I appreciate your help. I am beginning to think myself that one of the files is corrupted. I had to give it up last night and go to bed and got your message this morning. It will be this afternoon before I can get back on the pc and try this but I am going to try it and let you know how it works. Thanks for helping me.
 
Paul


Clint D <driggars at earthlink.net> wrote:
Paul

Try this, if you have any emails you want to keep, save as to a new created folder
on your desktop

then empty the inbox, deleted items, and outbox folders

go to start, click find files and folders, in the command line in the search box,
type dbx

then click find

when it is done, find the inbox, deleted items and outbox folders, make sure they
have a recent date, like today or when they were last used, highlight them and
delete them

then delete them from th erecycle bin

do a reboot, OE will create new folders of the ones you deleted, then give it a
try

lets at least make sure that the inbox folder is not corrupted, OE starts with a
new fresh folder

Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" 

To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Mark I completely un installed Norton from the computer, went to control panel,
windows firewall and turned off the firewall so that I had no firewall protection
whatsoever and then tried to download my e-mail messages and got the same error
message. I am about to go off the deep end trying to figure this one out. Thanks
for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Mark Shattuck wrote:
> Paul Check you're Firewall setting for e-mail attachments . Zone Labs
> updated there program . Which Caused me to get the same error mesg .
>
> Mark
> L Shattuck
>
> Waynesboro Va
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 10 05:14:47 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <013401c5e5af$d3ab8d00$6a1117d1@net.telenet.net>
Message-ID: <20051110131447.19446.qmail@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve did not get this message last night before I went to bed but got it this morning. It will be later this evening before I can get back on the pc and check this out but I will do it and let you know what I find. Thanks for hanging with me in trying to resolve this.
 
Paul


"Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
Paul,
That server address doesn't look correct.
try changing it to


Incoming server - pop.sbcglobal.net

OR pop. whatever the outgoing server has so IF the outgoing server says
mail.sbcglobal.net the one I listed should work.

That is found under Tools / Accounts / Mail Tab Properties / Servers
Tab


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express


> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
server. I keep getting this message:
>
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
Error Number: 0x80004005
>
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to
do about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail
client.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 10 06:12:10 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:12:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>

Howdy gang;
  The price looks good to me, but too far;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

RickinMt. 


From gwaugh at wowway.com  Thu Nov 10 06:30:37 2005
From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:30:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4373598D.6080602@wowway.com>

Well, it's only about 20 miles from me...I have waaaay too many projects 
going to undertake a new endeavor, but ifn you want me to store it for 
you...

Gene
Elgin, Illinois USA

Richard Strobel wrote:

>Howdy gang;
>  The price looks good to me, but too far;
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
>RickinMt. 
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 10 08:07:36 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:07:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511101046200.37181@vegeta.city-net.com>

Paul (and all who would like to help him),

As serious as this problem is for Paul, this dialog is of no use
whatsoever to the other 400 or so who read this list or the digest
version.

Would everyone who can offer help to Paul, please do it off-list DIRECTLY
TO PAUL?

And Paul, would it be too much trouble for you to also reply
off-list directly to those who provide help?

If you feel that everyone would benefit in some way, why not just post the
"final solution" when you get sorted?  Although I doubt that the details
of HOW YOUR email got screwed up would be of interest.  We would like to
hear that you are "fixed" however.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Paul Maples wrote:

> Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
> Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
> server. I keep getting this message:
>
> An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
> 'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
> Error Number: 0x80004005
>
> Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do
> about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 10 08:33:34 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:33:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
	<4373598D.6080602@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <004401c5e614$7f239560$3092f504@x8h7l9>

Hi Rick and Gene.

I need a spindle for mine and mine is generally well warn. You need the
motor dive and set up. I plan to be traveling in the area after Turkey Day.
Maybe  we should get it together.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kgw" <gwaugh at wowway.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Star lathe


> Well, it's only about 20 miles from me...I have waaaay too many projects
> going to undertake a new endeavor, but ifn you want me to store it for
> you...
>
> Gene
> Elgin, Illinois USA
>
> Richard Strobel wrote:
>
> >Howdy gang;
> >  The price looks good to me, but too far;
> >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagena
me=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> >
> >RickinMt.
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Nov 10 10:49:18 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:49:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Help on Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511101046200.37181@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051110010008.81150.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511101046200.37181@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4373962E.5040600@fidnet.com>

I am tagging onto what Arnie has said just to suggest to all that when 
confronted with such a challenge, try your ISP help line first.  Anytime 
I have run into such a problem, they have been helpful and gotten me 
back up and running.

Gary

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Paul (and all who would like to help him),
> 
> As serious as this problem is for Paul, this dialog is of no use
> whatsoever to the other 400 or so who read this list or the digest
> version.
> 
> Would everyone who can offer help to Paul, please do it off-list DIRECTLY
> TO PAUL?
> 
> And Paul, would it be too much trouble for you to also reply
> off-list directly to those who provide help?
> 
> If you feel that everyone would benefit in some way, why not just post the
> "final solution" when you get sorted?  Although I doubt that the details
> of HOW YOUR email got screwed up would be of interest.  We would like to
> hear that you are "fixed" however.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Paul Maples wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hey gang I need some help, I cannot receive messages in my Outlook
>>Express 6.0 e-mail and right now I am having to use this web based
>>server. I keep getting this message:
>>
>>An unknown error has occurred. Account: 'Paul Maples', Server:
>>'pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No,
>>Error Number: 0x80004005
>>
>>Has anyone had this problem and if so cna you tell me what I need to do
>>about it. I need help bad as I don't like this web base e-mail client.
> 
> 
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> 

-- 
In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move 
at a leisurely pace.



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 10 10:53:46 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:53:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005b01c5e628$2ac103e0$3092f504@x8h7l9>

Rick,

I hope you are not keribigfoot.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe


> Howdy gang;
>   The price looks good to me, but too far;
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
> RickinMt.
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov 10 07:40:50 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
Message-ID: <20051110.201846.988.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

That IS an interesting thread.

I've never had any problems with pinstripes lifting.
(Except on my car which was "professionally" done.)
But then, THEY use "exotic" paints.

I don't use "exotic" paints to paint old iron.
Mostly, I use Rust-Oleum both on the engine and as the pinstripe.
I have, lately, "cleared" my engines and other things I've painted
and - I do it with good ol' fashion varnish.

I am well pleased with the results.  
Have had NO problems with lifting - flaking - or fish eye.

However - Lately, when using Rust-Oleum rattle cans, I HAVE had problems
with the "Enamel" reacting to the original paint.
Usually on the first coat, everything is okay.
The SECOND coat is the one doing the damage no matter how lightly I
spray.

I have also noticed that the "Enamel" in these cans smells remarkably
like the old
lacquer I used to spray auto's with years ago.
And - it is reacting just as lacquer over enamel would.

Just my 2 cents.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
(_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 10 20:17:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:17:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
References: <BAY109-DAV101A60CCBC453EBF5E8974BB660@phx.gbl><4373598D.6080602@wowway.com>
	<004401c5e614$7f239560$3092f504@x8h7l9>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV99C8313195AB9B4C902A3BB590@phx.gbl>

O/T..who you talking to Ed?  I'm in Mt. he's somewhere on the right side of 
the river.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ED" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Star lathe


> Hi Rick and Gene.
>
> I need a spindle for mine and mine is generally well warn. You need the
> motor dive and set up. I plan to be traveling in the area after Turkey 
> Day.
> Maybe  we should get it together.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kgw" <gwaugh at wowway.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O/T Star lathe
>
>
> > Well, it's only about 20 miles from me...I have waaaay too many projects
> > going to undertake a new endeavor, but ifn you want me to store it for
> > you...
> >
> > Gene
> > Elgin, Illinois USA
> >
> > Richard Strobel wrote:
> >
> > >Howdy gang;
> > >  The price looks good to me, but too far;
> > >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560154719&rd=1&sspagena
> me=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> > >
> > >RickinMt.
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> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 10 20:47:11 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:47:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
References: <20051110.201846.988.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17B91E58FAE6F690A0A43EBB590@phx.gbl>

HOwdy Pip..I've been using ONE SHOT ever since it was mentioned several 
years ago..believe Rotigel was the one that mentioned not to put a clear 
coat over it.

Maybe I should have referred to the Bungler Tool that's used in Pinstriping. 
I have seen the hardener advertised on Eastwoods site, but never tried 
it...might experiment one of these days.

Take Care Pip
Rick
PS;  I know "Beugler"  ha, ha


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'


> Hi Rick,
>
> That IS an interesting thread.
>
> I've never had any problems with pinstripes lifting.
> (Except on my car which was "professionally" done.)
> But then, THEY use "exotic" paints.
>
> I don't use "exotic" paints to paint old iron.
> Mostly, I use Rust-Oleum both on the engine and as the pinstripe.
> I have, lately, "cleared" my engines and other things I've painted
> and - I do it with good ol' fashion varnish.
>
> I am well pleased with the results.
> Have had NO problems with lifting - flaking - or fish eye.
>
> However - Lately, when using Rust-Oleum rattle cans, I HAVE had problems
> with the "Enamel" reacting to the original paint.
> Usually on the first coat, everything is okay.
> The SECOND coat is the one doing the damage no matter how lightly I
> spray.
>
> I have also noticed that the "Enamel" in these cans smells remarkably
> like the old
> lacquer I used to spray auto's with years ago.
> And - it is reacting just as lacquer over enamel would.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
> (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Nov 10 22:31:01 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:31:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
References: <20051110.201846.988.2.jlb94@juno.com>
	<BAY109-DAV17B91E58FAE6F690A0A43EBB590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <011401c5e689$7f929cb0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The first describes it rather well!  I always have a turps soaked rag on 
hand. Some days.........!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'


> HOwdy Pip..I've been using ONE SHOT ever since it was mentioned several 
> years ago..believe Rotigel was the one that mentioned not to put a clear 
> coat over it.
>
> Maybe I should have referred to the Bungler Tool that's used in 
> Pinstriping. I have seen the hardener advertised on Eastwoods site, but 
> never tried it...might experiment one of these days.
>
> Take Care Pip
> Rick
> PS;  I know "Beugler"  ha, ha
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pin striping with 'One-Shot'
>
>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> That IS an interesting thread.
>>
>> I've never had any problems with pinstripes lifting.
>> (Except on my car which was "professionally" done.)
>> But then, THEY use "exotic" paints.
>>
>> I don't use "exotic" paints to paint old iron.
>> Mostly, I use Rust-Oleum both on the engine and as the pinstripe.
>> I have, lately, "cleared" my engines and other things I've painted
>> and - I do it with good ol' fashion varnish.
>>
>> I am well pleased with the results.
>> Have had NO problems with lifting - flaking - or fish eye.
>>
>> However - Lately, when using Rust-Oleum rattle cans, I HAVE had problems
>> with the "Enamel" reacting to the original paint.
>> Usually on the first coat, everything is okay.
>> The SECOND coat is the one doing the damage no matter how lightly I
>> spray.
>>
>> I have also noticed that the "Enamel" in these cans smells remarkably
>> like the old
>> lacquer I used to spray auto's with years ago.
>> And - it is reacting just as lacquer over enamel would.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>> \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
>> (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From junque at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 11 12:20:11 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:20:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051111121643.02c32d50@shawmail>

Download Eudora Light.  It is infinitely better IMO.  Apart from all 
the ridiculous security holes they find in Outlook (How many years 
after into??), the user interfaces in Eudora are actually clear and 
logical!  My wife uses Outlook because she is too stubborn/lazy ;-) 
to change, so I can see just how lousy OE is compared to Eudora.




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 11 12:21:44 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:21:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Problem Fixed
Message-ID: <004101c5e6fd$89599130$230110ac@PAUL>

Per Arnie's recommendation (Thanks Arnie) I am posting one message with the solution to my Outlook Express problem. If anyone has any questions please e-mail me directly OFF LIST.

I use SBC Yahoo DSL for my ISP but I have all of my messages sent to Outlook Express. In my Outlook Express options I had the box for "Leave a copy on server" checked thus each e-mail I received from any source there would automatically be a copy left of that e-mail left on my Yahoo Server. This file had grown to 44, 670 messages and somewhere within one of those messages one of them was corrupted. I deleted all 44,670 messages that was saved out on my Yahoo Server, after backing them up on Mozilla Thunderbird (Good Program) and then my Outlook Express ran perfectly.

This process of troubleshooting was over a five day period and I must say that ScanDBX, the only Microsoft Approved Outlook Express repair software on the market, was the ones who, after taking control of my computer via network software connections from San Francisco was able to diagnose the problem and solve it for me. These people at ScanDBX are the greatest and I highly recommend them to anyone who has trouble with their Outlook Express.

I want to thank each of you who responded to my inquiry for help and I apologize if I offended anyone with my O.T. request for help. Now I can read all of your messages again and enjoy the SEL.

Happy Veterans Day,

Paul


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 11 14:50:47 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:50:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Problem Fixed
References: <004101c5e6fd$89599130$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <00a901c5e712$5bfd9460$6d8ff504@x8h7l9>

Paul,

I thought it was Outhouse Express.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Outlook Express Problem Fixed


Per Arnie's recommendation (Thanks Arnie) I am posting one message with the
solution to my Outlook Express problem. If anyone has any questions please
e-mail me directly OFF LIST.

I use SBC Yahoo DSL for my ISP but I have all of my messages sent to Outlook
Express. In my Outlook Express options I had the box for "Leave a copy on
server" checked thus each e-mail I received from any source there would
automatically be a copy left of that e-mail left on my Yahoo Server. This
file had grown to 44, 670 messages and somewhere within one of those
messages one of them was corrupted. I deleted all 44,670 messages that was
saved out on my Yahoo Server, after backing them up on Mozilla Thunderbird
(Good Program) and then my Outlook Express ran perfectly.

This process of troubleshooting was over a five day period and I must say
that ScanDBX, the only Microsoft Approved Outlook Express repair software on
the market, was the ones who, after taking control of my computer via
network software connections from San Francisco was able to diagnose the
problem and solve it for me. These people at ScanDBX are the greatest and I
highly recommend them to anyone who has trouble with their Outlook Express.

I want to thank each of you who responded to my inquiry for help and I
apologize if I offended anyone with my O.T. request for help. Now I can read
all of your messages again and enjoy the SEL.

Happy Veterans Day,

Paul
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Nov 11 17:30:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:30:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the 
compressed air valves?


http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP

TIA
RickinMt. 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Nov 11 18:43:22 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:43:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
Message-ID: <20051111.184322.668.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
I personally don't, but if no one else steps up I can put you in contact
with someone at the Vista museum.  They have a big three cylinder FM, and
make a big production out of starting it several times a day during the
show.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:30:51 -0700 "Richard Strobel"
<Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> writes:
> Howdy all;
>   Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has 
> the 
> compressed air valves?
> 
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt. 
> 


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Nov 11 18:55:12 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:55:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01d401c5e734$80985630$124e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Branch 30 in Lancaster, CA has a one cylinder version.  You might try 
contacting somebody there.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


Howdy all;
  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the
compressed air valves?


http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP

TIA
RickinMt.
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Nov 11 19:24:40 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:24:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c5e738$9e9c37b0$715a1f40@Eagle>

    Russel Farmer has a single cyl and the Portland club has a 2cyl they
have at the show every year.

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


> Howdy all;
>  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the 
> compressed air valves?
> 
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
> 
> TIA
> RickinMt. 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov 11 20:33:45 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:33:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051111233307.04430f58@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:30 PM 11/11/2005, you wrote:
>Howdy all;
>   Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the
>compressed air valves?
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
>RickinMt.

What EXACTLY do you want to know?
         Dave 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 12 05:32:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:32:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <BAY109-DAV186E26FF1A4172B341DB25BB580@phx.gbl>
	<001f01c5e738$9e9c37b0$715a1f40@Eagle>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV12782C1BCAA1861A9389A6BB580@phx.gbl>

Thanks guys;  Here's a little background.

   We went down and visited with Mr. Barnes who has had the Barnes Steam and 
Power show for over thirty years..Belgrade, Mt.  Mainly Steam, but he does 
have a few combustion engines.  While we were looking it over he mentioned 
that he wished he knew of a guru who had experience with one.  His one 
comment was: "Safely start one."
   I believe this is a semi-diesel, two stroke, ports, no valves and like 
some two lungers one cylinder is used for starting (the other) on compressed 
air.  I believe I have read where too much priming fuel can cause a runaway, 
and this may be his concern.  There is evidence of a hot tube/bulb.

  I do know he needs some large air tanks and a healthy compressor and will 
try to help him out there.

  So to answer your question Dave...an operator's manual and maintenance 
manual would be helpful.  He is getting up there and like us all, has way 
too many projects.

  The "Ten Stamp" Mill is something to watch and he and friends spent over a 
month finding it a new home.

  Here's some pix's from the 2003 show:

http://community.webshots.com/album/87230418MNzrJS

  regards;
RickinMt.





























----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


>     Russel Farmer has a single cyl and the Portland club has a 2cyl they
> have at the show every year.
>
> Bob Willman
> The Eagle's Anvil
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> WB8NQW
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:30 PM
> Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
>
>
> > Howdy all;
> >  Anyone know how to safetly start one of these puppies?? Yes it has the
> > compressed air valves?
> >
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
> >
> > TIA
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Nov 12 07:56:21 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:56:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 
Message-ID: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>

Have a good one!

Don't axe any innocent Maytags.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Nov 12 08:06:49 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:06:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
Message-ID: <4enjqd$1kud29f@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net>



>    I believe this is a semi-diesel, two stroke, ports, no valves and like 
> some two lungers one cylinder is used for starting (the other) on compressed 
> air.  I believe I have read where too much priming fuel can cause a runaway, 
> and this may be his concern.  There is evidence of a hot tube/bulb.
> 
>   I do know he needs some large air tanks and a healthy compressor and will 
> try to help him out there.
The most common mistake on the two cycle Diesels that used crankcase pressure to charge the cylinder was adding oil to the crankcase. These crankcases had to be dry, it will pick up splashed lube oil and run away on that, no stopping it by  shutting fuel off. The first rule of running any engine is to know how to stop it. It was common practice to keep a sledge by the FM Y's to break the crankcase covers, eliminating cylinder charge air and stopping the engine. A tight fitting gate on the intake would work, like a Detroit emergency stop. A lever to hold the intake flapper valve open would also work.
J.B. Castagnos


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Nov 12 12:07:55 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:07:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 
References: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hell! That time again already?  Happy B'day, ya old fart!!  VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 


> Have a good one!
> 
> Don't axe any innocent Maytags.
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov 12 15:21:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:21:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Bit Of Good Publicity - Internal Fire Museum
Message-ID: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I think you'll REALLY enjoy this video clip from a local Welsh TV program.  It's
one of the classiest pieces that I've ever seen that features some beautiful
old iron running in period settings.  It should also help to make it clear why
the Internal Fire Museum is on my list of annual charity giving.  Paul Evans is
doing great work here and it's really worth supporting.

ENJOY!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I have contacted the gal to set her streight.  The proper way to describe a
4-cycle engine is: Suck-Squeeze-Bang-Blow.  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

----- Forwarded message from Paul Evans <paul at semidiesel.com> -----
    Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:19:50 +0000
    From: Paul Evans <paul at semidiesel.com>
Reply-To: paul at semidiesel.com
 Subject: Bit Of Good Publicity
      To: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>

Evening,
We had a nice bit of publicity on the television here last Thursday. A 
Welsh antiques programme did some filming a while back and it finally 
hit the small screen.

I've stuck the video at

http://www.internalfire.com/modules/Andromeda/Multimedia/Video/Broadband/_Ant-48_20051110_210552.wmv

Bit big at 45Mb but they did a good job so worth looking at (hopefully).

Hope all going well over there.

Cheers, Paul

Internal Fire Museum of Power
Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS
http://www.internalfire.com




From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 12 16:43:13 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:43:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave!
Message-ID: <20051112.194458.772.6.jlb94@juno.com>

Well - - - I don't know if it IS - or - It AIN'T - - - But - - - 
It sorta sounds like it MIGHT be - - - 


Happy Birthdayday Dave.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.

From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Nov 12 17:45:43 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:45:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
Message-ID: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>

This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Nov 12 18:23:34 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:23:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! 
In-Reply-To: <003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>
	<003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <d42d7756dfa233073c0a8749338a0c0c@chartertn.net>

Well, on thinking about it, I think I may have gotten the day wrong. I 
remember Dave's b'day is adjacent to mine, but I think it might've been 
the day before (November 10) rather than the day after, (the 12th.) 
After a half century, my memory's not so good.

At any rate, hope you had a happy birthday, Dave!

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jerrye at cyberserv.co.za  Sun Nov 13 01:54:50 2005
From: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:54:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113114849.00a7c220@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 13 02:59:23 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:59:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113125913.00a65b18@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov 13 03:27:31 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:27:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Stover Progress
Message-ID: <20051113112730.PRVT14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

The big YC Stover gained some wheels today. It makes the big girl a little
easier to move around. The next step is the water tank. Only three weeks
until its first rally. Some progress pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov 13 03:29:26 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:29:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113114849.00a7c220@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000b01c5e845$852b6bd0$9d9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Jerry ....I cannot open your album . I am sure you will get some help on 
this one ,keep us posted if not.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at cyberserv.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).


> Hi The Lists,
>         I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
> 7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
> decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>
>
>
> Best Regards
> Jerry Evans
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 13 04:58:04 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:58:04 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113114849.00a7c220@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<000b01c5e845$852b6bd0$9d9781cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <003a01c5e851$e40c3f10$fa4c1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).


> Jerry ....I cannot open your album . I am sure you will get some help on 
> this one ,keep us posted if not.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at cyberserv.co.za>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:54 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Begging for artwork (again).
> > Hi The Lists,
> >   I recently acquired a Ransomes Mercury lawnmower with a Villiers 
> > 7/1 engine. I need to paint it and am hoping someone can tell me what the 
> > decals look like. I've posted pictures here:
> > <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm  
> > Jerry Evans www.oldengine.org/members/evans

Hi Jerry, Try this site.
http://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/
Dig around a bit, It is a bit haphazard.
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Nov 13 04:59:26 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:59:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave!
In-Reply-To: <d42d7756dfa233073c0a8749338a0c0c@chartertn.net>
References: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>	<003801c5e7c4$c6e945f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<d42d7756dfa233073c0a8749338a0c0c@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <437738AE.7050407@udata.com>

Dave, and others... thought you might like this one

>I'm over 45 now and the Armed Forces say I'm too old to track down
>terrorists.  You can't be older than 35 to join the military.
> 
>
>They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds off
>to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn't be able to join
>until you're at least 35.
>
> 
>
>For starters: 
> 
>Researchers say 18-year- olds think about sex every 10 seconds. 
>
> 
>
>Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than
>28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy. 
> 
>Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a
>dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll complain them into
>submission. "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!" "Where's the remote control?" 
> 
>An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to war until
>you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old guy, on the
>other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he's 35 and a
>jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and M-60 would do wonders for
>the old beer belly. 
> 
>An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m.
>
> 
>
>Old guys get up early every morning to pee. 
> 
>If old guys are captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd probably
>forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a
>real brainteaser. 
> 
>Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys.  We're used to getting
>screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food.  We've also developed
>a deep appreciation for guns and rifles.
>
>  
>
>We like them almost better than naps. 
> 
>They could lighten up on the obstacle course however. I've been in combat
>and I didn't see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor
>did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training.  I can hear the
>Drill Sergeant now, "Get down and give me...er..one." 
>
>And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen anyone
>outrun a bullet. 
> 
>An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him.  He's still learning to
>shave, to actually carry on a conversation, and to wear pants without the
>top of his butt crack showing and his boxer shorts sticking out.  He's still
>hasn't figured out that a pierced tongue catches food particles, and that a
>400-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum. 
>
>All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life
>before sending them off to possible death. 
> 
>Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards who attacked our
>hearts on September 11. The last thing the enemy would want to see right now
>is a couple of million old farts with attitudes. 
> 
>Share this with your senior friends.
>
>
>(It's purposely in big type for us)  
>
>Not sure about that part about thinking about sex.
>
>
>


-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 07:42:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:42:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe
References: <4enjqd$1kud29f@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV6F810EA6A71EE333E23D9BB5B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks J.B. and others.  It's probably best if I head for Idaho or somewhere 
else that's got one and get one on one with the operator.

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] FMB two lunger vertical....semi-diesel, I believe


>
>
> >    I believe this is a semi-diesel, two stroke, ports, no valves and 
> > like
> > some two lungers one cylinder is used for starting (the other) on 
> > compressed
> > air.  I believe I have read where too much priming fuel can cause a 
> > runaway,
> > and this may be his concern.  There is evidence of a hot tube/bulb.
> >
> >   I do know he needs some large air tanks and a healthy compressor and 
> > will
> > try to help him out there.
> The most common mistake on the two cycle Diesels that used crankcase 
> pressure to charge the cylinder was adding oil to the crankcase. These 
> crankcases had to be dry, it will pick up splashed lube oil and run away 
> on that, no stopping it by  shutting fuel off. The first rule of running 
> any engine is to know how to stop it. It was common practice to keep a 
> sledge by the FM Y's to break the crankcase covers, eliminating cylinder 
> charge air and stopping the engine. A tight fitting gate on the intake 
> would work, like a Detroit emergency stop. A lever to hold the intake 
> flapper valve open would also work.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 08:39:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:39:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
References: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1142E88A69A6336E0BC9FCBB5B0@phx.gbl>

Very nice Rick..so do you have salvage rights on these..in particular the 
mechanical oilers and small items?

Thanks fer sharin'
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<STEEL at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:45 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines


This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 13 09:23:57 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:23:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Stover Progress
References: <20051113112730.PRVT14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <001101c5e877$08cc82e0$8284dccb@oemcomputer>

getting there mate!.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:27
Subject: [SEL] Stover Progress


> The big YC Stover gained some wheels today. It makes the big girl a little
> easier to move around. The next step is the water tank. Only three weeks
> until its first rally. Some progress pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/stoveryc1.html
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paul at semidiesel.com  Sun Nov 13 10:44:25 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:44:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID
In-Reply-To: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43778989.9090203@semidiesel.com>

Hi,
Anyone have any info on a 3hp "KracKerJack" engine,probably marketed 
through the Smyth-Despard Co ,New York in 1925.

Thanks
Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Nov 13 10:46:23 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
References: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>
	<BAY109-DAV1142E88A69A6336E0BC9FCBB5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c5e882$8c05a5a0$3f151941@pengy>

They are to be preserved in situ.  That building will someday become a 
museum and if we're lucky maybe one of those beasts will run again someday. 
Too bad its a 5 1/2 hour drive from here to see them.

But if something horrible should happen and they are to be scrapped, I will 
certainly try to bring one to Youngstown!

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines


> Very nice Rick..so do you have salvage rights on these..in particular the 
> mechanical oilers and small items?
>
> Thanks fer sharin'
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
> <STEEL at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:45 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
>
>
> This is what I did on Veterans Day!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 13 11:12:20 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:12:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Begging for artwork (again).
In-Reply-To: <200511131700.jADH05Kn008931@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113210330.00a66008@mail.cyberserv.co.za>



Hi All,
         Sorry ! Must be getting older - I sent out the mail before the 
stuff was finished uploading to my site. I only got finished loading it 
about 1/2 an hour after the mail went out so those early birds must have 
got a "page not found" error message.
Please try again:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>

         Thanks for the replies Dave and Peter.

         Dave I've already been to that site - could not find anything - 
you are right - it is a bit of a muddle (even had to spend about 20 mins to 
find an eMail address). I did eventually send them mail - will wait for a 
response.  

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 11:24:49 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:24:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] UK Abridged Patents for Class 7 Air & Gas Engines
Message-ID: <6f6025160511131124u20d4db50g22e814cf6ee54287@mail.gmail.com>

After a lot of time spent looking at the pile of books on the floor, I
finally got stuck into one of the volume indices today, and have put
up the Subject and Name indices for the 1905 to 1908 period. The
volumes we bought cover 1855 to 1925, so there are a lot of entries to
do yet.

The pages are in order and are numbered with Roman numerals which are
used on the menu.

There is no 'page to page' navigation as there are 58 pages and it
would take up too much room at the bottom.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Patents/ABPatent.htm

It can also be accessed from the main menu, the icon is at the bottom
on the right hand side. I will get more of the indices up as soon as I
have time, and eventually the actual Patent pages as well.

Interesting to see the great and the good of the engine world listed
in the names index.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 13 11:12:20 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:12:20 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Begging for artwork (again).
In-Reply-To: <200511131700.jADH05Kn008931@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051113210330.00a66008@mail.cyberserv.co.za>



Hi All,
         Sorry ! Must be getting older - I sent out the mail before the 
stuff was finished uploading to my site. I only got finished loading it 
about 1/2 an hour after the mail went out so those early birds must have 
got a "page not found" error message.
Please try again:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/ran.htm>

         Thanks for the replies Dave and Peter.

         Dave I've already been to that site - could not find anything - 
you are right - it is a bit of a muddle (even had to spend about 20 mins to 
find an eMail address). I did eventually send them mail - will wait for a 
response.
Jerry 

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From oiseming at moscow.com  Sun Nov 13 17:59:01 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:59:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <002701c5e7f3$f646ee40$3f151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines

This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

~~~~~~~~

Thank you for posting some very impressive pictures, Rick.  They were a real
eye-opener.  Most texts that describe steel manufacturing processes, but
don't explain the source of air.  I guess I always assumed blowers were
used, but of course blowers couldn't produce sufficient pressure.   It never
dawned on me that reciprocating pumps were used.  Fascinating. 

Regards,

Orrin 




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Nov 13 19:04:22 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:04:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
References: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <009001c5e8c8$1d54b100$3f151941@pengy>

Gas blowing engines are particularly rare.  Only a few plants used them. 
Far more common were the steam blowing engines.  Today steam turbo blowers 
are almost universally used.   There are nine steam blowing engines 
preserved at various locations in the US and Mexico and two turbo blowers 
preserved.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Rowlands
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:46 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
>
> This is what I did on Veterans Day!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Foundation
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org
>
> William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
> Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark
>
> ~~~~~~~~
>
> Thank you for posting some very impressive pictures, Rick.  They were a 
> real
> eye-opener.  Most texts that describe steel manufacturing processes, but
> don't explain the source of air.  I guess I always assumed blowers were
> used, but of course blowers couldn't produce sufficient pressure.   It 
> never
> dawned on me that reciprocating pumps were used.  Fascinating.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From old_iron at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 20:45:15 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:45:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave!
In-Reply-To: <331d66720901f67a9e8020dc49c0cc9b@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F1A26D2A4C9ECA8318C35DE75A0@phx.gbl>

Happy B-day, did you have a cake with cows and tracktors on it too?

Peg


>From: John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] OT: Happy Birthday, Dave! Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:56:21 
>-0500
>
>Have a good one!
>
>Don't axe any innocent Maytags.
>
>John Culp
>Bristol, Tennessee, USA
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Sun Nov 13 20:54:17 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:54:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
Message-ID: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>

Hi guys,
           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National directly.

Cheers,
          Adam


From paul at semidiesel.com  Sun Nov 13 21:59:42 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:59:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire - SEL Engine
In-Reply-To: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1131837683.437678f379fa7@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <437827CE.5010900@semidiesel.com>

Hi All,
Following the SEL donation to the museum we had a think and decided 
rather than using toward general upkeep/running costs we would apply it 
to a particular project.

Shortly after a very unusual 6 cylinder Pelapone engine from the 1920s 
came up on Ebay, something we would not normally have been able to go for.

We managed to acquire it and will now be restoring it for display in the 
museum with a plate explaining the involvement of the SEL.

Our thanks again for the help over the last 2 years.

News item on the museum website with pictures at:-

http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=60&mode=thread&order=0&thold=1

Thanks
Paul & Hazel

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 13 23:24:04 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:24:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>

Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to get
in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M N
to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one of
my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine fired
using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to get
some of these American atches.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Nov 13 23:48:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:48:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
Message-ID: <013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

How come it is not published on the internet?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up


> Hi guys,
>           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft 
> Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your 
> interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you 
> feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back 
> through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National 
> directly.
>
> Cheers,
>          Adam
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Nov 14 00:20:24 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:20:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: 229058383
Message-ID: <002601c5e8f4$43ce3960$0301a8c0@Cam>

Well come on Ed tell us how you do it, I want to know,   Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz


> Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to 
> get
> in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M 
> N
> to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one 
> of
> my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine 
> fired
> using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to 
> get
> some of these American atches.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From pjp at steamengine.com.au  Mon Nov 14 03:38:27 2005
From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:38:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
In-Reply-To: <013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
	<013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43787733.1010607@steamengine.com.au>

Apparently there is someone working on an internet site (I won't reveal who on list in case it is wrong - ask me off 
list if you really want to know) but he is being VERY slow about it. My offers have been spurned.

Regards
Paul

R & M Ingold wrote:
> How come it is not published on the internet?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 


-- 

pjp at steamengine.com.au
Emerald, Victoria, Australia
www.steamengine.com.au


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 04:34:11 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:34:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <20051114123411.70976.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Back in the late 80's and early 90's I lived in Bethlehem and at that time they were still running. I had an occasion to be in that power house one day and they were running 2 or 3 of those units. What an awsume sight and sound. 
Ron 

Orrin Iseminger <oiseming at moscow.com> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rowlands
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; STEEL at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines

This is what I did on Veterans Day!

http://community.webshots.com/album/502877665GYKjkm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH 44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

~~~~~~~~

Thank you for posting some very impressive pictures, Rick. They were a real
eye-opener. Most texts that describe steel manufacturing processes, but
don't explain the source of air. I guess I always assumed blowers were
used, but of course blowers couldn't produce sufficient pressure. It never
dawned on me that reciprocating pumps were used. Fascinating. 

Regards,

Orrin 


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 


		
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 06:27:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:27:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O/T  something to watch on cold winter nights
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9FC86DF7FA934978ED0ACBB5A0@phx.gbl>

Very bizarre..you'll neeed a fast connection or plenty of patience.

http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/

And they think we're nutz :-)

RickinMt.


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 07:13:58 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:13:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I hear OZ is looking to ban water glasses because someone might break one
and get cut and bleed.

Now the engine starting how it was intended is great news.
Guess if I ever visit down under I'll have to sneak in a few boxes of
those matches we have laying in our cupboard so you can start it!


Bill

> Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to
> get
> in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M
> N
> to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one
> of
> my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine
> fired
> using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to
> get
> some of these American atches.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov 14 07:46:49 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:46:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
	<1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <4378B169.7040904@imc-group.com>

No problem mate, they don't drink water in Oz anyway. If it ain't beer 
it ain't fit to drink! ;-)
Curt
P.S. Now if they were to ban beer mugs a damned revolution would occur!

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:

>I hear OZ is looking to ban water glasses because someone might break one
>and get cut and bleed.
>
>  
>



From segray at mlode.com  Mon Nov 14 07:48:05 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:48:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Villiers question
Message-ID: <4378B1B5.30304@mlode.com>

Hey All -

Received this yesterday and thought somebody here might know. I've never 
been around a Villiers. Reply directly to him since he's not on the 
list. Thanks!

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 08:53:59 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:53:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <4378B169.7040904@imc-group.com>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
	<1453.165.206.180.102.1131981238.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<4378B169.7040904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <1538.165.206.180.102.1131987239.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Oops - excellent point!  :-)


Bill

> No problem mate, they don't drink water in Oz anyway. If it ain't beer
> it ain't fit to drink! ;-)
> Curt
> P.S. Now if they were to ban beer mugs a damned revolution would occur!
>
> bill at antique-engines.com wrote:
>
>>I hear OZ is looking to ban water glasses because someone might break one
>>and get cut and bleed.
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Nov 14 09:09:57 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:09:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
Message-ID: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>

A neighbor had a nice red oak taken down and asked if I wanted the tree 
since we heat with wood. Most everything was cut in 5' lengths making 
sawing with a chain saw less than ideal. So on Saturday morning we fired 
up the 8HP Famous buzz saw in an a couple of hours cut it all up. There 
were about 2 truck loads of limbs to cut. It took Devin and I the rest 
of the day to split and stack the wood.

Before starting:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010102.jpg

Finished:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010104.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010106.jpg

We do this a couple of times a year in addition to using it at shows. 
How many others regularly use your old hit and miss engines? Tell us 
about it.....
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 09:34:51 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:34:51 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 10:32:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

<< I'll have to sneak in a few boxes of
 those matches we have laying in our cupboard so you can start it! >>

Bill/Edd,  

I remember as a kid we used to take those matches and modify a spring type 
wooden clothes pin to shoot the matches and light them at the same time!  Wonder 
how many remember how to do that today?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Mon Nov 14 09:55:57 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:55:57 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Curt pity you didn't take a picture while in action.

John H.



> A neighbor had a nice red oak taken down and asked if I wanted the tree 
> since we heat with wood. Most everything was cut in 5' lengths making 
> sawing with a chain saw less than ideal. So on Saturday morning we fired 
> up the 8HP Famous buzz saw in an a couple of hours cut it all up. There 
> were about 2 truck loads of limbs to cut. It took Devin and I the rest 
> of the day to split and stack the wood.
> 
> Before starting:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010102.jpg
> 
> Finished:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010104.jpg
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010106.jpg
> 
> We do this a couple of times a year in addition to using it at shows. 
> How many others regularly use your old hit and miss engines? Tell us 
> about it.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 14 09:58:20 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:58:20 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers question
References: <4378B1B5.30304@mlode.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5e945$00ef5fb0$fa4c1152@no1>

Hi Steve, I cannot see any question?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gray" <segray at mlode.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] Villiers question


> Hey All -
> 
> Received this yesterday and thought somebody here might know. I've never 
> been around a Villiers. Reply directly to him since he's not on the 
> list. Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Steve Gray
> Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
> Sonora, California USA
> e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
> Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com
> 
> 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 10:35:39 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:35:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBAEBOEKAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


>From: Germoamer at aol.com

>I remember as a kid we used to take those matches
>and modify a spring type wooden clothes pin to shoot
> the matches and light them at the same time!  Wonder
>how many remember how to do that today?

Yeah Tom, I remember doing that.  Also remember cutting the heads off
and putting them in a nut with a carriage bolt screwed in both ways on
the same nut.  Then throw it on a rock, on one bolt head or the other
... made good firecrackers!

Carl



From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 10:35:41 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:35:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBEEBOEKAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>


From: Curt

>How many others regularly use your old hit and
>miss engines? Tell us about it.....

Well, I don't use one any more, but your photos bring back a lot of
memories.  I was brought up on a farm in the lower end of the Catskills
in New York State.  Always got out our own logs for lumber, resulting in
lots of limbs for firewood.  Every fall we got out the old saw rig and
cut up our winter wood!   Don't even remember what the hopper cooled
engine was ... my dad sold it to a 'scrap collector' many years later
... and then told me AFTER he did it!

They would put him in jail today if you had your kids standing by the
unguarded saw, tossing off the chunks as they were cut!  That was always
my job!  LOTS of memories!!

Carl
Lake Stevens, WA
Gastonia?  Sounds like it must be near Gaston Lake?  We were down to
South Hill, VA in July to my wife's high school reunion.



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 11:13:40 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
Message-ID: <129.691263df.30aa3be4@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:05:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kd7bfn at earthlink.net writes:

<< Gastonia?  Sounds like it must be near Gaston Lake?  We were down to
 South Hill, VA in July to my wife's high school reunion. >>


Gastonia is in North Carolina where Curt is from.  When you were in South 
Hill, Va. you were not too far from where we live near Appomattox, Va.  Come to 
see me some time!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 14 11:16:46 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:16:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl><013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<43787733.1010607@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <001c01c5e950$23c2ed80$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

For a so called National body, its rather weak, dont you think?
Oh, sorry. I have a short memory. It is a secret society now that I think 
about past events.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up


> Apparently there is someone working on an internet site (I won't reveal 
> who on list in case it is wrong - ask me off list if you really want to 
> know) but he is being VERY slow about it. My offers have been spurned.
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>> How come it is not published on the internet?
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> pjp at steamengine.com.au
> Emerald, Victoria, Australia
> www.steamengine.com.au
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 14 11:41:11 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:41:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>

http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html

so did I   Don in Ohio
> how many remember how to do that today?
> 
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 12:42:53 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:42:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <1132000973.4378f6cd7209f@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  That's brilliant.  Reminds me of the black pipe muskets we made when
I was a kid.  Matchheads from paper book matches were thye "powder" firing
half-inch ball bearings.  Damn, they were wicked powerful!  We were sooo stupid
as kids!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>:

> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
> so did I   Don in Ohio




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 14 12:40:55 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <20051114.155458.856.2.jlb94@juno.com>

I don't remember using a spring type clothes pin - 

I DO remember using a gum band (rubber band) and an empty sewing thread
spool.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 14 12:39:19 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:39:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
Message-ID: <20051114.155458.856.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Curt,
Way - Cool stuff.

It must be FUN to live at your house.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
(_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov 14 13:00:28 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:00:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>

In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has resulted
in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my engine
by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose after
being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:41
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz


> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>
> so did I   Don in Ohio
> > how many remember how to do that today?
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 13:31:26 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:31:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <002501c5e8ec$657ace00$fb85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1132003886.4379022e6e882@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Edd,

It's well known that Oz has banned and confiscated firearms and ammo, crossbows,
bows & arrows, spears, swords, daggers, dirks, knives (including anything more
threatening than a butter knife) and that forks are next on the banning block.

But WTF?  Matches????  Please tell me that you're joking?  If you're not joking,
what on earth is the deadly risk that your pollies are trying to protect you
from?  If your pollies fear fire, they should be aware of the potential of
rubbing two sticks (or two girl scouts) together.  If it's not fire, but rather
heat (If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.")  I think that
quote was from one of our pollies, but he wasn't referring to matches!

BTW I'm happy that you finally found some and were able to properly start your
engine.  Please let me know if you need more.  We have an abundance.  We can
also provide shotgun shells for starting tractors like the Field Marshal. 
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting edd payne <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>:

> Today I got some strike anywhere matches.These are almost impossible to get
> in OZ as they are banned from sale.After about 3 attempts I got my 8hp F/M N
> to start by the match start method.I had seen this done in the US on one of
> my visits and had always wanted to try it.What a buzz when the engine fired
> using this method.Also thanks Brock for your help in finding a place to get
> some of these American atches.
> EDD PAYNE




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 13:34:40 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
In-Reply-To: <013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
	<013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1132004080.437902f07cfc8@webmail.city-net.com>

WOT???  You want the unwashed rabble to read this sacred document???
My gawd man, the next thing you'll tell us is that you beleive in free speech!!
And no fences at rallys.  HERITIC!!!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>:

> How come it is not published on the internet?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> >           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft 
> > Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your 
> > interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you 
> > feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back 
> > through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National 
> > directly.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 13:39:38 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:39:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <1132000973.4378f6cd7209f@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<1132000973.4378f6cd7209f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <2022.165.206.180.102.1132004378.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

For us it was a tennis ball cannon - 4 or 5 beer cans, duct tape, lighter
fluid and a tennis ball.
DAM that thing stung if you were hit - and it would fire that ball for
over a city block if done right.

Arnie, I prefer to think of it as "creative"...........  :-)
my parents even furnished the supplies!

We even launched projectiles with firecrackers and cans.

Bill

> ROFLMAO!!  That's brilliant.  Reminds me of the black pipe muskets we made
> when
> I was a kid.  Matchheads from paper book matches were thye "powder" firing
> half-inch ball bearings.  Damn, they were wicked powerful!  We were sooo
> stupid
> as kids!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>:
>
>> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>> so did I   Don in Ohio
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Nov 14 13:41:58 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:41:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <2028.165.206.180.102.1132004518.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Sorry - it was all in jest, no intent on slamming a great country or the
people who live there.

I do have a question - since "safety matches" can be ignited in other ways
as well, how does banning those wooden strike anywhere type really work?
Maybe there was a study, but I really would wonder.

Bill

> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has
> resulted
> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my
> engine
> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose
> after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:41
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>>
>> so did I   Don in Ohio
>> > how many remember how to do that today?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 13:53:44 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:44 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <fa.207d7903.30aa6168@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 3:02:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
don.h at wcoil.com writes:

<< http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html >>

Don,

I should have known that someone would post the instructions on how to make a 
clothespin match shooter.    Wonder if there are instructions anywhere on how 
to make bean shooters out of Elderberry bushes or hollow reeds?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 13:57:40 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:57:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <1e2.48c1bfd1.30aa6254@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 4:09:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jlb94 at juno.com writes:

<< I DO remember using a gum band (rubber band) and an empty sewing thread
 spool. >>
Joe,

I never made a match shooter out of a thread spool and rubber band, but do 
remember making a wind up toy using them.  Supposed you called it a crawler of 
sorts.  Even notched the rims for better traction.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:00:28 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:00:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <ae.7ecfe323.30aa62fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/2005 4:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

<< We were sooo stupid
 as kids!! >>

Arnie,

And is a wonder we survived thru it without getting maimed one way or the 
other.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Nov 14 14:07:00 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:07:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <410-22005111142270109@coastalnet.com>


> [Original Message]
> From: edd payne <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>

I suppose after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.

Hi Edd,

You are right, you should have known better. <VBG>  It does seem that
folks are often looking for the negative aspects of posts rather than what
is meant to be a great sharing of engine info.

One of the best descriptions of the match start engine is found on one of
Harry's pages at: http://www.old-engine.com/hunsader.htm  in case folks 
want to see a few pictures related to the subject.

Maybe you can get Patrick up there sometime to take pictures and make 
a webpage showing your starting technique.

Thanks again for sharing.

Ken





From segray at mlode.com  Mon Nov 14 14:31:16 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:31:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: Villiers question
Message-ID: <43791034.5080708@mlode.com>

Hi Dave -

    Yeah, I don't know what happened that time. Let's try it this way:

*********************************************************************

Vaughan Steele at steele87 at hotmail.com wrote:

Hi there,

I'm from Australia, and am researching a particular engine but cannot 
find any information... I would love it if you could help point me in 
the right direction.
 
Villiers Petrol Engine
 
Type: c12a-01-01
No. 99935
 
 
 Any information would be greatly appreciated.

*********************************************************************

-- 
Steve Gray
Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13 & 27
Sonora, California USA
e-mail:   segray at mlode.com
Home page:   http://www.oldengineshed.com






From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:31:37 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:31:37 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: UK Abridged Patents for Class 7 Air & Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <4377A037.9000207@udata.com>
References: <6f6025160511131124u20d4db50g22e814cf6ee54287@mail.gmail.com>
	<4377A037.9000207@udata.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511141431y6e854a21k4315aa14f372ab4d@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/13/05, Leroy C. <oldengin at udata.com> wrote:
> Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> >After a lot of time spent looking at the pile of books on the floor, I
> >finally got stuck into one of the volume indices today, and have put
> >up the Subject and Name indices for the 1905 to 1908 period.
> >
>
> Peter, I Browsed a few of the pages and can you tell me are there any
> pics of the patented items? I did not see any of them and wish I could.
>C-ya
>Leroy Clark
>

OK, I have added the first ten Patent pages from the 1905 volume. They
are at the bottom of the main Abridged Patents menu page.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Patents/ABPatent.htm

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:37:31 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:37:31 EST
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <103.6cbf4ef6.30aa6bab@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:14:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

For us  it was a tennis ball cannon - 4 or 5 beer cans, duct tape, lighter
fluid  and a tennis ball.
DAM that thing stung if you were hit - and it would fire  that ball for
over a city block if done right.


We can't forget the "Potato Gun".  It was  constructed from PVC fittings and 
pipe.  The ignition source was a striker  from a Coleman Lantern. The 
propellant was a little starter fluid sprayed  into combustion chamber.  The 
projectile was, of course, a potato  stuffed into the barrel.

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 14:48:59 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:48:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was A real buzz - Now Match Start Engines
In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <141.523d06f1.30aa24bb@aol.com>
	<007f01c5e953$5e39f0a0$6400a8c0@number1>
	<002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <1132008539.4379145b5a28b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Edd,

> I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.

Sorry mate.  Up top, match start engines are pretty damn rare beasts.  I only
know a couple of guys that own (or owned) one.  Are they more common down under
in Oz?  I only know of an early Fairbanks model that was match start.

In the George Best mode of thread change, how many different match start engines
can folks identify?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Using a match to light the fire under a boiler or hot air engine, or the
starting lamp, or the hot tube DOES NOT count.

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 14 15:02:35 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Caste Iron Curry Listeroids
Message-ID: <1132009355.4379178b8f335@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I think there are a number of you who own and enjoy running the Indian clones of
the venerable Lister CS diesel engine.

Please contact me off list if you would like to swap experiences with an English
gent who's contemplating getting one to use for a variety of novel purposes.

I think John Culp and Ron Carroll will be willing.  I think there are a couple
on the left coast?  Others?

Let me know off-list please.  Unless you see a thread in this, then post to the
list.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 16:14:44 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:14:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <410-220051121501444609@earthlink.net>

Hell Francis, we used Final Net hair spray which we would spray down the
tube and then used the potato like a piston bt ramming it in behind the
hair spray, had to use a stick as a plunger as we had a 6 foot long peice
of 2 inch pipe to work with.  For the ignition, the striker just didn't
always seem to work, so we threaded in a 1/2 inch spark plug and fired it
wit a buzz coil and 12 volt battery.  That sucker could really shoot, even
had soom recoil.

Tim Christoff


> We can't forget the "Potato Gun".  It was  constructed from PVC fittings
and 
> pipe.  The ignition source was a striker  from a Coleman Lantern. The 
> propellant was a little starter fluid sprayed  into combustion chamber. 
The 
> projectile was, of course, a potato  stuffed into the barrel.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 14 16:16:55 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:16:55 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
References: <103.6cbf4ef6.30aa6bab@aol.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz


> 
> In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:14:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> bill at antique-engines.com writes:
> For us  it was a tennis ball cannon - 4 or 5 beer cans, duct tape, lighter
> fluid  and a tennis ball.
> DAM that thing stung if you were hit - and it would fire  that ball for
> over a city block if done right.
> We can't forget the "Potato Gun".  It was  constructed from PVC fittings and 
> pipe.  The ignition source was a striker  from a Coleman Lantern. The 
> propellant was a little starter fluid sprayed  into combustion chamber.  The 
> projectile was, of course, a potato  stuffed into the barrel.
> Francis  Maciel

The little trick we used as kids was  to half fill a glass tablet bottle with water & put in 
a lot of Calcium Carbide* stuck under the lid. (*Carbide cycle lamp powder)
We carefully carried these to the canal & shook them for about a minute so the acetelene
could build up pressure.
Then we thew them in the water just before (If we were lucky) the bottle exploded  with the
pressure stunning the fish.
Small things amuse small minds.  Is this why people collect Magtags?
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 14 17:08:11 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:08:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
Message-ID: <20051114.200916.844.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Potatoe Gun ???

What is that ??

Better watch - - - The BTFA is listening.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Nov 14 20:53:37 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:53:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bethlehem Steel Gas Engines
In-Reply-To: <009001c5e8c8$1d54b100$3f151941@pengy>
References: <200511140159.jAE1x9D1083435@mail-gw.fsr.net>
	<009001c5e8c8$1d54b100$3f151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <7a3330fac4bac7ae54491529fb85f036@chartertn.net>

Geoff Hutchings has a Bessemer 70 HP gas blowing engine that came out 
of an Owens-Corning glass plant. About the size of a school bus.

On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Gas blowing engines are particularly rare.  Only a few plants used 
> them. Far more common were the steam blowing engines.  Today steam 
> turbo blowers are almost universally used.   There are nine steam 
> blowing engines preserved at various locations in the US and Mexico 
> and two turbo blowers preserved.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 14 21:03:56 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:03:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20051115050351.FNUQ18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the engine
list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk
cr*p' list.
Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing it in
action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has resulted
in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my engine
by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose after
being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 14 15:10:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:10:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NHMA Draft Constitution - heads up
In-Reply-To: <1132004080.437902f07cfc8@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <24507928.1131944057615.JavaMail.root@web05sl>
	<013501c5e8f0$8c5457e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<1132004080.437902f07cfc8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051114180729.0ccdfc68@mail.alltel.net>

Arnie,
         Your diplomatic peace making ability is exceeded ONLY by your good 
looks. If you only had a rubber ducky that matched your truck you would be 
GOLDEN!
         Dave

At 04:34 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote:
>WOT???  You want the unwashed rabble to read this sacred document???
>My gawd man, the next thing you'll tell us is that you beleive in free 
>speech!!
>And no fences at rallys.  HERITIC!!!!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>:
>
> > How come it is not published on the internet?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> > >           just a short heads up to let you know that the NHMA Draft
> > > Constitution has been circulated to all club secretarys, if your
> > > interested have a look (ask your secretary for it) and any changes you
> > > feel required (I found one or two things I didnt like) make those back
> > > through your club secretary to the NHMA State Rep, not the NHMA National
> > > directly.
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 14 17:54:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:54:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
In-Reply-To: <20051114.200916.844.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20051114.200916.844.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051114205050.0ccf1ca8@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:08 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote:
>Potatoe Gun ???
>What is that ??
>Better watch - - - The BTFA is listening.
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.

Hi Joe, See: http://platinumchromatography.com/potato.htm and 
http://www.mshamash.com/spud/spudgun1.html for starters.
         Dave



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Nov 14 22:15:29 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:15:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
References: 138621515
Message-ID: <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>


You got plenty of response there Ed.

Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia

Subject: RE: [SEL] A real buzz


>I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the 
>engine
> list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
> match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk> 
> cr*p' list.
> Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing it 
> in
> action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
> -----Original Message-----
>
> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has 
> resulted
> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my 
> engine
> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose 
> after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
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> 




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Tue Nov 15 02:31:15 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:31:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz
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	<002a01c5e95e$72675760$de84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <012401c5e9cf$b53d4240$5f11fea9@merlin>

I agree with you Edd. I also see that the potatoe  gun, list is talking 
Engines at the moment
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz


> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety matches.It
> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has 
> resulted
> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my 
> engine
> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack on
> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose 
> after
> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don.H" <don.h at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:41
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>> http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clothespingun/index.html
>>
>> so did I   Don in Ohio
>> > how many remember how to do that today?
>> >
>> >
>>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Nov 15 04:27:26 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:27:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 20, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <200511141700.jAEH04ks031082@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051115142159.00a7a9d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 14/11/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>6. Re: Begging for artwork (again).


Hi List,
         I've been having trouble with my eMail and have had to change to a 
newer version of my beloved Eudora - I was using a very old version and my 
service provider upgraded their server. The old version cannot 
"authenticate" and will not accept outgoing mail from me. So it's a newer 
version now.
         The reason for this post is just that I've noticed some of my mail 
is duplicated (sent twice). I'm aware of this and will figure out the 
problem soon so please just bear with me until such time.
Thanks


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Nov 15 05:04:41 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:04:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
In-Reply-To: <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
showing a "cut-away"?

I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
ignition and starting systems.


Bill


>
> You got plenty of response there Ed.
>
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
>     Kariong
>       Gosford 2250
>         Australia
>
> Subject: RE: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>>I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the
>>engine
>> list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
>> match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk>
>> cr*p' list.
>> Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing
>> it
>> in
>> action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
>> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety
>> matches.It
>> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has
>> resulted
>> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
>> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my
>> engine
>> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack
>> on
>> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
>> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose
>> after
>> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> 0263742387
>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Tue Nov 15 06:04:54 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:04:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
Message-ID: <410-220051121514454421@coastalnet.com>

Bill,

I don't have an illustration, but here is an excerpt from Rathbun's 
"Gas Engine Troubles and Installation" published in 1912.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/match-start/

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/15/2005 8:32:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz OT
>
> Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
> mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
> combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
> showing a "cut-away"?
>
> I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
> the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
> ignition and starting systems.
>
>
> Bill





From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 06:19:03 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:19:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Big FBM vertical started with Steam compressor
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2045AF1578F8CF13054F87BB5D0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Well I finally got the real story on this display down at the Barnes Steam 
and Power show.  Here's the boiler and rather large Ingersol Sargent 
Steam/Air Compressor..note the large air tank:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87484390YUgaLN

The compressed air is piped underground to the FBM for starting..here's the 
FBM:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP

Thanks to Gary Yaeger for explaining this setup...here's his description:


"
Rick,
I wonder if John Hochstettler no longer comes their show?  He used to be the 
FBM guy.  John would get their propane torch over at the FBM and pre-heat 
the copper "glow plug" pins.  Meanwhile over at the Broderick boiler, 
pressure is setting on 150 PSI and everyone is in place to run the 700 hp 
Ingersol Sargent steam compressor.  One of the Barnes' would climb up to the 
main steam valve, crack it open so the condensate would blow out of all ends 
of the cylinders, gradually speeding the RPMs until the cylinder cocks could 
be shut.  Then they'd open the main valve until it was running full speed. 
When the compressor storage tank was near the top, they'd open a large valve 
that ran underground to the FBM.  It would start turning over and would soon 
"light up."  The IR compressor was shut down, as the boiler was dreained way 
down anyway, and someone would release the rest of the pressure in the 
compressor tank.  I don't remember exactly how the FBM was controlled, but 
he'd let it almost stop, then send more diesel fuel.  After a huge explosive 
backfire, it'd take off again.  Only one cylinder runs in a steady pull. 
Throttling it back, then opening the throttle, it'd run on both cylinders, 
until it got up to speed again.  Pretty simple, huh? 


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Nov 15 06:57:21 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:57:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I Have seen one several match start engines both of which were 
Fairbanks-Morse.  A father son team had one at the Carson Valley show 
several years ago and were starting it every hour or so.  Here is how it 
worked.  The flywheel was stopped slightly over TDC on the power stroke and 
held there.  The other guy worked a hand pump on the side of the engine that 
drew the air over a shallow pan of gas and then into the cylinder through a 
check valve.  When the pump was getting really hard to pump and the flywheel 
holder was beginning to strain.  The match holder was pushed in with a whack 
and the engine went chuff and began to run.  This engine was about 10 HP or 
so and was a early engine although I can't remember the date.

The entire match assemble unscrewed from the side of the head and was 
cleaned before start up.  Most of the match is cut off leaving a very short 
piece that goes in the match holder which looked like a piece of slotted 
tube.

I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting matches 
as he didn't think they were still being made.

I saw another FM match start at the Vista show which was being started the 
hard way by pulling the flywheel through.  The match start was missing and 
he had made a shotgun adapter that held a blank 410 shotgun shell.  I assume 
that the blast from the shotgun shell is enough to push it through a 
complete cycle.  Maybe next time it will be done this way and I can see how 
it works.

Are we back ON TOPIC now?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A real buzz OT


Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
showing a "cut-away"?

I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
ignition and starting systems.


Bill


>
> You got plenty of response there Ed.
>
> Cam and Edwina Grundy
>     Kariong
>       Gosford 2250
>         Australia
>
> Subject: RE: [SEL] A real buzz
>
>
>>I can see where you made your mistake Edd... You were looking for the
>>engine
>> list but got the 'we don't really know about engines as interesting as a
>> match-start Fairbanks so we will attack your country and generally talk>
>> cr*p' list.
>> Good to hear you got the match start working, I look forward to seeing
>> it
>> in
>> action. I may even take some pictures for the uninitiated ;)
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> In this country being the driest continent on earth it was decided many
>> years ago to stop the use of these matches and use only safety
>> matches.It
>> was due to the high instance of fires in our bush(forests)which has
>> resulted
>> in huge loss of life over the years from the easy way these matches
>> ignite.Buy the way how did my excitement about being able to start my
>> engine
>> by one of its available methods end up in an of topic ramble and attack
>> on
>> my countries ways.I thought that maybe some of you that had started your
>> engines by this method may have commented on your experience.I suppose
>> after
>> being on this list for 7 years I should have known better.
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>> 0263742387
>> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 07:44:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:44:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Match start and shot gun shell start engines.
In-Reply-To: <001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: 138621515
	<005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <437A0243.7040808@imc-group.com>

Jim,
I have never had the pleasure of seeing a match start engine actually 
started. I did look over a large 25HP? Fairbanks in Georgia a few years 
ago that was match start. The owner explained the process exactly as you 
did. Hold the flywheel, hand pump the cylinder pressure up, and then 
light it off with the match.
Since you mentioned the shot gun shell starters, and questioned if they 
had enough uumph to bring it over, I have a question about those. When 
starting an engine or tractor with shotgun shell start, do you precharge 
the cylinder with a fuel charge? Does the shell actually provide the 
pressure to carry it all the way over, or is it only providing instant 
compression and firing a fuel charge in the cylinder to cary it thru?
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Jim and Diane wrote:

>I Have seen one several match start engines both of which were 
>Fairbanks-Morse.  A father son team had one at the Carson Valley show 
>several years ago and were starting it every hour or so.  Here is how it 
>worked.  The flywheel was stopped slightly over TDC on the power stroke and 
>held there.  The other guy worked a hand pump on the side of the engine that 
>drew the air over a shallow pan of gas and then into the cylinder through a 
>check valve.  When the pump was getting really hard to pump and the flywheel 
>holder was beginning to strain.  The match holder was pushed in with a whack 
>and the engine went chuff and began to run.  This engine was about 10 HP or 
>so and was a early engine although I can't remember the date.
>
>The entire match assemble unscrewed from the side of the head and was 
>cleaned before start up.  Most of the match is cut off leaving a very short 
>piece that goes in the match holder which looked like a piece of slotted 
>tube.
>
>I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting matches 
>as he didn't think they were still being made.
>
>I saw another FM match start at the Vista show which was being started the 
>hard way by pulling the flywheel through.  The match start was missing and 
>he had made a shotgun adapter that held a blank 410 shotgun shell.  I assume 
>that the blast from the shotgun shell is enough to push it through a 
>complete cycle.  Maybe next time it will be done this way and I can see how 
>it works.
>
>  
>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Nov 15 08:11:46 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:11:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Big FBM vertical started with Steam compressor
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2045AF1578F8CF13054F87BB5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV2045AF1578F8CF13054F87BB5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3023.165.206.180.102.1132071106.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

We've got an air start FM diesel at Waukee as part of the permanent engine
display.
A bar is used to turn the engine over via flywheel to a certain point
while the air pressure is built up in the tank. A valve is opened and the
air cranks the engine over to start it.

Pretty cool. Has a Woodward governor on the "front" end. Takes a bit of
muscle to get the engine lined up for the air charge and if you miss, you
go around again........

Bill

> G'day all;
>   Well I finally got the real story on this display down at the Barnes
> Steam
> and Power show.  Here's the boiler and rather large Ingersol Sargent
> Steam/Air Compressor..note the large air tank:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87484390YUgaLN
>
> The compressed air is piped underground to the FBM for starting..here's
> the
> FBM:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/87230418/87231092MsCWEP
>
> Thanks to Gary Yaeger for explaining this setup...here's his description:
>
>
> "
> Rick,
> I wonder if John Hochstettler no longer comes their show?  He used to be
> the
> FBM guy.  John would get their propane torch over at the FBM and pre-heat
> the copper "glow plug" pins.  Meanwhile over at the Broderick boiler,
> pressure is setting on 150 PSI and everyone is in place to run the 700 hp
> Ingersol Sargent steam compressor.  One of the Barnes' would climb up to
> the
> main steam valve, crack it open so the condensate would blow out of all
> ends
> of the cylinders, gradually speeding the RPMs until the cylinder cocks
> could
> be shut.  Then they'd open the main valve until it was running full speed.
> When the compressor storage tank was near the top, they'd open a large
> valve
> that ran underground to the FBM.  It would start turning over and would
> soon
> "light up."  The IR compressor was shut down, as the boiler was dreained
> way
> down anyway, and someone would release the rest of the pressure in the
> compressor tank.  I don't remember exactly how the FBM was controlled, but
> he'd let it almost stop, then send more diesel fuel.  After a huge
> explosive
> backfire, it'd take off again.  Only one cylinder runs in a steady pull.
> Throttling it back, then opening the throttle, it'd run on both cylinders,
> until it got up to speed again.  Pretty simple, huh?
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 15 08:36:03 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:36:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
Message-ID: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Everybody,

I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set the 
wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be unstable. 
Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp Economy they 
could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 09:14:10 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:14:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437A1762.1040102@imc-group.com>

Luke,
The wheels are set at the same width on both the straight and drop 
center carts. Have a look at my engineering drawings of various Hercules 
cart parts on my web site:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DrawingsOfGasEngineParts/HerculesCartParts/Thumbnails.html>

If I have left off any dimension you may need let me know and I'll look 
them up on the original CAD drawings. Or if you like I can email the 
drawing(s) to you.

Hope this helps.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set 
> the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be 
> unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp 
> Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 09:27:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:27:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437A1A67.9040709@imc-group.com>

Oh.... and to answer your question it is 54.5" center of rim to center 
of rim.
Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set 
> the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be 
> unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp 
> Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 09:36:11 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:36:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Match start and shot gun shell start engines.
In-Reply-To: <C30753A75484EB4AA54E379557483A980A5A206B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <C30753A75484EB4AA54E379557483A980A5A206B@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <437A1C8B.7040205@imc-group.com>

OK George, until you mentioned it I didn't realize there were two 
methods of shell start engines. So what I think I hear you saying is 
that 410 primer start engines are precharged with fuel and "tickled" 
with the 410 shell primer to start.

The Field Marshall tractor you mentioned....is this a gas burner or a 
diesel?
If a gas burner do you suck a charge in first? Or do you fire the shell 
getting the flywheel rotating and only then do you choke it to draw in fuel?

Is full shot gun shell starting used on both gasoline and diesel engines?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Best, George wrote:

>My impression of the match start engines, is that the match basically
>does the same thing as hand tripping an ignitor to start an engine.  All
>the match does, is ignite the charge in the cylinder.
>
>I would think the 410 shotgun shell primer is doing basically the same
>thing.
>
>The shotgun shell start on the Field Marshall is different in that a
>sufficient powder charge in the shell to spin the engine over several
>times is used.
>
>George
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org 
>>[mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Curt
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:44 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list
>>Cc: SEL (Oldengine.org)
>>Subject: Match start and shot gun shell start engines.
>>
>>Jim,
>>I have never had the pleasure of seeing a match start engine 
>>actually started. I did look over a large 25HP? Fairbanks in 
>>Georgia a few years ago that was match start. The owner 
>>explained the process exactly as you did. Hold the flywheel, 
>>hand pump the cylinder pressure up, and then light it off 
>>with the match.
>>Since you mentioned the shot gun shell starters, and 
>>questioned if they had enough uumph to bring it over, I have 
>>a question about those. When starting an engine or tractor 
>>with shotgun shell start, do you precharge the cylinder with 
>>a fuel charge? Does the shell actually provide the pressure 
>>to carry it all the way over, or is it only providing instant 
>>compression and firing a fuel charge in the cylinder to cary it thru?
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>>Jim and Diane wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I Have seen one several match start engines both of which were 
>>>Fairbanks-Morse.  A father son team had one at the Carson 
>>>      
>>>
>>Valley show 
>>    
>>
>>>several years ago and were starting it every hour or so.  
>>>      
>>>
>>Here is how 
>>    
>>
>>>it worked.  The flywheel was stopped slightly over TDC on the power 
>>>stroke and held there.  The other guy worked a hand pump on 
>>>      
>>>
>>the side of 
>>    
>>
>>>the engine that drew the air over a shallow pan of gas and then into 
>>>the cylinder through a check valve.  When the pump was 
>>>      
>>>
>>getting really 
>>    
>>
>>>hard to pump and the flywheel holder was beginning to strain.  The 
>>>match holder was pushed in with a whack and the engine went 
>>>      
>>>
>>chuff and 
>>    
>>
>>>began to run.  This engine was about 10 HP or so and was a 
>>>      
>>>
>>early engine although I can't remember the date.
>>    
>>
>>>The entire match assemble unscrewed from the side of the 
>>>      
>>>
>>head and was 
>>    
>>
>>>cleaned before start up.  Most of the match is cut off 
>>>      
>>>
>>leaving a very 
>>    
>>
>>>short piece that goes in the match holder which looked like 
>>>      
>>>
>>a piece of 
>>    
>>
>>>slotted tube.
>>>
>>>I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting 
>>>matches as he didn't think they were still being made.
>>>
>>>I saw another FM match start at the Vista show which was 
>>>      
>>>
>>being started 
>>    
>>
>>>the hard way by pulling the flywheel through.  The match start was 
>>>missing and he had made a shotgun adapter that held a blank 
>>>      
>>>
>>410 shotgun 
>>    
>>
>>>shell.  I assume that the blast from the shotgun shell is enough to 
>>>push it through a complete cycle.  Maybe next time it will 
>>>      
>>>
>>be done this 
>>    
>>
>>>way and I can see how it works.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 15 10:14:35 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:14:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F373921CB0A8DAFB756FA3AC85D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F373921CB0A8DAFB756FA3AC85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437A258B.3050104@imc-group.com>

Nope, this is the distance from tread to tread along the width of the cart.

It is 76.75 axle to axle along the length of the cart on a drop frame 
cart. It is MUCH longer on a straight railed cart. I am of the opinion 
that the same length of steel was used to make both the straight and 
drop frame carts. When they bent the rails this made the drop cart much 
shorter.

Curt

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Are you giving the distance between the front and rear axles? I'm 
> looking for the width of the wheels footprint not the length. Maybe I 
> wasn't clear enough in my original message. For example, talking about 
> the rear axle only, I would like to know how wide or how far apart the 
> wheels are. Outside to outside preferably.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ===============
>
>> From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>> Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> CC: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
>> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:27:03 -0500
>>
>> Oh.... and to answer your question it is 54.5" center of rim to 
>> center of rim.
>> Curt
>>
>> Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>
>>> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to 
>>> set the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it 
>>> be unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 
>>> 5hp Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>>>
>>> Luke Tonneberger
>>> Rockford, Michigan
>>> USA
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Tue Nov 15 10:48:02 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
References: <BAY103-F268AF3F275727E174737B7C85D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c5ea15$1e0cdf20$6dee123f@oemcomputer>

Luke,

I have a couple 5 HP Economy carts.  Will send info soon.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions


> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set the
> wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be unstable.
> Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp Economy they
> could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 15 10:56:18 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:56:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
In-Reply-To: <437A258B.3050104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23688AF0C7C0D219BCFACAC85D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Curt. I have an existing set of axles where the wheels are 52.25 
apart. This should be close enough. It looked a little wide all drawn up, 
but should do the trick. I'll send an attachment to Jim's list showing what 
it will look like.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===============================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>CC: SEL <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:14:35 -0500
>
>Nope, this is the distance from tread to tread along the width of the cart.
>
>It is 76.75 axle to axle along the length of the cart on a drop frame cart. 
>It is MUCH longer on a straight railed cart. I am of the opinion that the 
>same length of steel was used to make both the straight and drop frame 
>carts. When they bent the rails this made the drop cart much shorter.
>
>Curt
>
>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>>Curt,
>>
>>Are you giving the distance between the front and rear axles? I'm looking 
>>for the width of the wheels footprint not the length. Maybe I wasn't clear 
>>enough in my original message. For example, talking about the rear axle 
>>only, I would like to know how wide or how far apart the wheels are. 
>>Outside to outside preferably.
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA
>>
>>===============
>>
>>>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>>>Reply-To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>CC: "SEL (Oldengine.org)" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Cart Dimensions
>>>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:27:03 -0500
>>>
>>>Oh.... and to answer your question it is 54.5" center of rim to center of 
>>>rim.
>>>Curt
>>>
>>>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Everybody,
>>>>
>>>>I'm building a cart for my 5hp Economy and am not sure how wide to set 
>>>>the wheels. I don't want to make the cart too narrow and have it be 
>>>>unstable. Does someone have an original straight frame cart for a 5hp 
>>>>Economy they could measure the width to the outside of the wheels?
>>>>
>>>>Luke Tonneberger
>>>>Rockford, Michigan
>>>>USA
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 15 08:05:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:05:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A real buzz OT
In-Reply-To: <001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<001001c5e9f4$e1b78540$0b4e6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051115110308.0ccda760@mail.alltel.net>


>I talked with one of them and he said they also had trouble getting matches
>as he didn't think they were still being made.
>
>Jim

Indeed parlor cracking matches are, now, a bit hard to come by. Any good 
hardware store, however, can supply you with them. Lowes, and Home 
Depot--that's a different story!
         Dave



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 15 17:54:22 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:54:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Match Start
In-Reply-To: <2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <1132106062.437a914e4f9d5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

There's a good illustration on page 32 in Sparks & Flames 
by Crawford MacKeand (ISBN 0-9659066-4-7).  BTW that book 
is probably the most comprehensive set of readable info on
the various starting and ignition systems found on the old 
engines.

BTW has anyone come with any other engines other than the 
Fairbanks that were match start?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting bill at antique-engines.com:

> Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
> mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
> combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
> showing a "cut-away"?
> 
> I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
> the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
> ignition and starting systems.



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Nov 15 20:03:09 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:03:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>
	<002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>


Hi Curt,

During the course of the year, I save up all the limb wood I can (stuff 
smaller than five inches in dia.) and have day of sawing with my
3 HP Fairbanks Morse belted up to my buzz saw and saw up limb wood. Much 
easier to do the small stuff that way than using a chainsaw.
One of my neighbours borrowed my 1951 Allis CA to buzz wood for a couple 
of weeks in the bush. Good for the tractor and neighbour relations.

Duncan

>
>
>  
>
>>A neighbor had a nice red oak taken down and asked if I wanted the tree 
>>since we heat with wood. Most everything was cut in 5' lengths making 
>>sawing with a chain saw less than ideal. So on Saturday morning we fired 
>>up the 8HP Famous buzz saw in an a couple of hours cut it all up. There 
>>were about 2 truck loads of limbs to cut. It took Devin and I the rest 
>>of the day to split and stack the wood.
>>
>>Before starting:
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010102.jpg
>>
>>Finished:
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010104.jpg
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/8Famous/P1010106.jpg
>>
>>We do this a couple of times a year in addition to using it at shows. 
>>How many others regularly use your old hit and miss engines? Tell us 
>>about it.....
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>    
>>
>
>
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>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 19:53:57 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:53:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all;
 Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza

and hit next for a few more?


Thanks
RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d


From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 15 20:46:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:46:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051115234554.0cd7a5c0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:53 PM 11/15/2005, you wrote:
>   Howdy all;
>  Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
>and hit next for a few more?
>Thanks
>RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 15 20:56:32 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:56:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051115234620.0ce29248@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:53 PM 11/15/2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
>   Howdy all;
>  Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
>and hit next for a few more?
>Thanks
>RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d

Hi Rick,
         Looks to me as if the Hercules engine must be a model F (late 1921 
to 1923) and the mag is a Webster 1A. All of this is explained in Glenn 
Karsh's book on Hercules built engines.
         Dave
PS, I can sell your friend a copy of Glenn's book for (say) $55.00, or he 
can order one directly from Glenn for about $10.00 plus S&H! 



From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Nov 16 06:36:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:36:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Match Start
In-Reply-To: <1132106062.437a914e4f9d5@webmail.city-net.com>
References: 138621515 <005b01c5e9ab$fac1ee20$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<2764.165.206.180.102.1132059881.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<1132106062.437a914e4f9d5@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <4127.165.206.180.102.1132151787.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Thanks - sounds like I need to get a copy of that book!

Bill

> Hi Bill,
>
> There's a good illustration on page 32 in Sparks & Flames
> by Crawford MacKeand (ISBN 0-9659066-4-7).  BTW that book
> is probably the most comprehensive set of readable info on
> the various starting and ignition systems found on the old
> engines.
>
> BTW has anyone come with any other engines other than the
> Fairbanks that were match start?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Quoting bill at antique-engines.com:
>
>> Is there a web site that shows the mechanics on how that starting
>> mechanism works? Like is there a chamber this works in aside from the
>> combustion chamber/cylinder? Or does someone have a scan of a manual
>> showing a "cut-away"?
>>
>> I've been attempting to educate a bunch of auto collectors in a forum on
>> the history of their engines and there's been some discussion of various
>> ignition and starting systems.
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Nov 16 11:29:01 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:29:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>	<002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <437B887D.9080509@imc-group.com>

Duncan Denman wrote:

>
> Hi Curt,
>
> During the course of the year, I save up all the limb wood I can 
> (stuff smaller than five inches in dia.) and have day of sawing with my
> 3 HP Fairbanks Morse belted up to my buzz saw and saw up limb wood. 
> Much easier to do the small stuff that way than using a chainsaw.

Duncan,
And I find it to be much safer and faster too. As you know a 3" limb is 
cut thru in the blink of an eye.
I used to use the 6HP Herc buzz saw for this but then painted it all 
shiny. It's working days are done for a while....at least 'till the 
paint dulls.
Once I got the 8HP Famous going it would be hard to go back to using the 
Herc. There is no comparison. Though the Herc worked well it moved 
around as it is built lighter than the IHC. On the other hand the Famous 
is a rock solid buzz saw. There is no flexing of the saw table or any of 
the parts supporting the belt. It would be interesting to know the 
difference in the original selling prices as there is a real difference 
in the original quality!
Curt


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Nov 16 14:52:59 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:52:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
Message-ID: <01f001c5eb00$9088d0e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

To those of you who knew Charlie Morris, John Burns's buddy.
7 weeks ago,he was smashed into in a head on with a truck that crossed to 
the wrong side.
I am sad to tell you that he lost his fight for life last night.
All of us who knew him have lost a great mate. He will always have a place 
in my thoughts and heart.
Thanks for listening.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov 16 18:10:39 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:10:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>

Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone 
goes home from work?
	Dave



From skipl130 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 19:20:38 2005
From: skipl130 at yahoo.com (Skip Landis)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:20:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051117032038.49083.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

rick, it is a late style webster. i've seen it on herc & stover.  skip

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Howdy all;
Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff? Got me puzzled.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza

and hit next for a few more?


Thanks
RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 21:28:26 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:28:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
References: <BAY109-DAV20A870356F07A09864A744BB5C0@phx.gbl>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051115234620.0ce29248@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV175A8AB127B56C2AD5672DBB5F0@phx.gbl>

Ok great Dave..forgot about Glenn's Book.  I need one also.

Thanks
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "sel" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "HerculesEnginesGroup" 
<HerculesEnginesGroup at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Jeff" <colville at plix.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc mag ?????


> At 10:53 PM 11/15/2005, Richard Strobel wrote:
> >   Howdy all;
> >  Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff?  Got me puzzled.
> >http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
> >and hit next for a few more?
> >Thanks
> >RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
>
> Hi Rick,
>          Looks to me as if the Hercules engine must be a model F (late 
> 1921
> to 1923) and the mag is a Webster 1A. All of this is explained in Glenn
> Karsh's book on Hercules built engines.
>          Dave
> PS, I can sell your friend a copy of Glenn's book for (say) $55.00, or he
> can order one directly from Glenn for about $10.00 plus S&H!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 21:29:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:29:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc mag ?????
References: <20051117032038.49083.qmail@web35315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9B462F3E0F280797D597DBB5F0@phx.gbl>

Ok..thanks Skip..yea we got it figgered out..It's on the herc website

later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Landis" <skipl130 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc mag ?????


> rick, it is a late style webster. i've seen it on herc & stover.  skip
> 
> Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:  Howdy all;
> Can anyone Identify this mag setup for Jeff? Got me puzzled.
> 
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505824662wOPZza
> 
> and hit next for a few more?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> RickinMt..with Jeff cc:d
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Wed Nov 16 23:46:19 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:46:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003401c5eb4b$030b8b90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>


Regarding the time difference, it always has to be WORKTIME
at your side of the big pond, when I get the most List posts.

John H.


From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
Subject: [SEL] List Activity


> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone 
> goes home from work?
> Dave




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 23:49:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:49:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511162349i34243502t7dda6a2f8f5136b5@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/17/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone
> goes home from work?
>         Dave
>

Never noticed that, Dave, but we seem to get List traffic in fits and
starts so it is difficult to judge.

I look in on the Lists during the day at work as well as at home, but
find that most traffic comes in overnight.

Been working on-site at a new rail maintenance depot this week so have
had no access to the internet until I got home. Nothing on the Lists
last evening, but half a dozen messages this morning.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Nov 17 03:32:41 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:32:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <437C6A59.8030403@wightman.ca>

You may be right Dave.
Nice to see everyone is so productive at work. ;-)

Duncan


Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after 
> everyone goes home from work?
>     Dave
>
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>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Nov 17 05:57:30 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:57:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] List Activity
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051116210847.0cc4b440@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <1519.165.206.180.102.1132235850.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Dang, he's on to us.........

Someone said that about the car forum I'm on too. The bulk of activity is
day hours, M-F.

Bill

> Has anyone else noticed how the List activity goes WAY DOWN after everyone
> goes home from work?
> 	Dave
>
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Thu Nov 17 07:42:26 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:42:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
In-Reply-To: <01f001c5eb00$9088d0e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <200511171542.jAHFganT077097@mail-gw.fsr.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:53 PM
To: oldengine list; List SEL
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris

To those of you who knew Charlie Morris, John Burns's buddy.
7 weeks ago,he was smashed into in a head on with a truck that crossed to 
the wrong side.
I am sad to tell you that he lost his fight for life last night.
All of us who knew him have lost a great mate. He will always have a place 
in my thoughts and heart.
Thanks for listening.
Reg.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

~~~~~~~~~~~~

We're saddened to hear of the loss of your buddy, Reg.  Whenever a friend
dies, a little bit of us dies with them.  

Best regards,

Orrin







From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Nov 17 08:12:47 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:12:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
Message-ID: <20051117.111252.1320.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Sorry to hear that - 

I didn't know him but I know John.

Our sympathies are with his family & friends.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 08:12:39 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:12:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2188D5E77025738B68BB3DBB5F0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's almost in 
a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve cage. 
I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to break 
those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom of the 
intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.

  Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by. Reprint 
would well suffice.

  I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor collar on 
the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also decided the 
gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came off and 
decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud was 
used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!

  The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.

  Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:

http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom

Regards
RickinMt. 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 09:05:17 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:05:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-220051141717517296@earthlink.net>

The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to the
crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The intake
valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is usually
rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I have an
orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and sent.  I
won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and can't
do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be able to
get out next week so send me your snail mail.

Tim Christoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way update
>
> G'day all;
>   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's almost
in 
> a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve
cage. 
> I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to break 
> those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom of
the 
> intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
>
>   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by. Reprint 
> would well suffice.
>
>   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor collar on 
> the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also decided
the 
> gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came off
and 
> decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud was 
> used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
>
>   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
>
>   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
>
> Regards
> RickinMt. 
> _______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 09:23:47 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:23:47 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <a0.3399c4d3.30ae16a3@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/17/2005 11:30:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

<< only to discover a stud was 
 used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!! >>

Rick,

Don't you just love the repairs made by others!  Guess he used what ever he 
had on hand to get going again!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 09:54:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:54:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-220051141717517296@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17F65FD88A8FCB04DE37C6BB5F0@phx.gbl>

SUPER Tim!!!  I owe ya.

  Rotater cuff..I hope not!!!!

I could always copy it and send you back yours.

And thanks for the info on the valve cage..I can rest easier now.

blabber on :-(

  I'm going to re-use the old rings..interesting there's 5 of them..one 
being way down on the skirt...again my first.  I sandblasted them which I 
really don't recommend but they cleanup so nice that way.  Wrist pin and 
other bearing surfaces will need polished..by the looks of the rod 
throw..she did get hot.

  Babbitt is ok..very lucky to have the two Lunk checkvalves.  Fan blades 
need some serious attention..would like to replace them and solder on a new 
outer ring.  Will run without the sheet metal for now and not work it.

  Interesting is the fact there's no counterweights on the flywheels..again 
my first.

  I think valve guides are a good idea on this puppy..Down the road she's 
gonna need all the help she can get sucking vapor up from that long, 
downward intake tube.

  I hope I can turn it over!!!

Thanks again Tim...ain't this list great..along with the hobby???????

Rick Strobel
6170 Gindale Rd.
East Helena, Mt.
          59635

PS:  No big hurry!!!









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update


> The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to the
> crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The intake
> valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is usually
> rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I have 
> an
> orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and sent. 
> I
> won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and 
> can't
> do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be able 
> to
> get out next week so send me your snail mail.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way update
> >
> > G'day all;
> >   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's almost
> in
> > a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve
> cage.
> > I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to break
> > those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom of
> the
> > intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
> >
> >   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by. Reprint
> > would well suffice.
> >
> >   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor collar 
> > on
> > the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also decided
> the
> > gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came off
> and
> > decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud 
> > was
> > used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
> >
> >   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
> >
> >   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> >
> > Regards
> > RickinMt.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 10:13:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:13:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <a0.3399c4d3.30ae16a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV18454EEA33B5C67EB70B1EBB5F0@phx.gbl>

Don't you just love the repairs made by others?

  Yes I do Tom..really adds to the fun of it...Sometimes I just grab a 
shimstock and stare at the old iron trying to figure out.."how'd they do 
that?"  For example the heat sinks on the jug of the New Way.  How in the 
hell did they build a pattern for that???  Ah,ha..the cylinder is screwed 
onto a flange...the heat sinks are individual laminates that must have been 
heated and shrunk fit.  Would like to remove them but better leave a 
sleeping dog lay.


  Gosh..I hope I'm not taking the fun out of it for others....mystery is 
half the fun fer me.


later,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way update


> In a message dated 11/17/2005 11:30:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> << only to discover a stud was
>  used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!! >>
>
> Rick,
>
> !  Guess he used what ever he
> had on hand to get going again!
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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> 


From old_iron at msn.com  Thu Nov 17 10:23:08 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:23:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
In-Reply-To: <200511171542.jAHFganT077097@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F232D96A39990F7604D3189E75F0@phx.gbl>

Our thoughts and prayers are with you and Charlie's family.  Remember that 
he will live on as long as you or someone remembers him in their hearts.

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Charlie Morris
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:42:26 -0800
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:53 PM
>To: oldengine list; List SEL
>Subject: [SEL] Charlie Morris
>
>To those of you who knew Charlie Morris, John Burns's buddy.
>7 weeks ago,he was smashed into in a head on with a truck that crossed to
>the wrong side.
>I am sad to tell you that he lost his fight for life last night.
>All of us who knew him have lost a great mate. He will always have a place
>in my thoughts and heart.
>Thanks for listening.
>Reg.
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>We're saddened to hear of the loss of your buddy, Reg.  Whenever a friend
>dies, a little bit of us dies with them.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Orrin
>
>
>
>
>
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From yostsw at atis.net  Thu Nov 17 18:50:57 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:50:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
In-Reply-To: <000001c5eb2d$bd9fa860$b3fc480c@DeanOffice>
References: <000001c5eb2d$bd9fa860$b3fc480c@DeanOffice>
Message-ID: <200511172150570625.281032BB@heavyiron.atis.net>

A piece of Time Warner's equipment died.   Took me several hours to
recognize it was their equipment since the internal interface passed tests,
but the external interface was bad.  Then it took them until about 9:30pm
last night to fix it.   I apologize for the delay, but I am glad I have
business class service.   This was about the 5th time in the last year I
have had to have round-the-clock attention and a technician working at
night at my house.  Between the cable run, amplifier, and router everything
they own that is on my property has had to be replaced this year.  This and
the hard drive dying has made it a banner year for long outages.

Once again, many apologies...

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net





From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Thu Nov 17 20:09:02 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:09:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fun Saturday with old iron!
In-Reply-To: <437B887D.9080509@imc-group.com>
References: <4378C4E5.1050403@imc-group.com>	<002c01c5e944$ae5b15a0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>	<437AAF7D.3040909@wightman.ca>
	<437B887D.9080509@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <437D53DE.4010703@wightman.ca>

I know what you mean. My buzz saw is anything but shiney. Looks like a 
refugee from a scrap yard. Been through a variety of owners and has been 
modified many times including a 3 point hitch attachment and one guy 
supposedly had a motorcycle engine bolted to the top.
Works okay though and the price was right. I picked up another mandrel 
and bearings from a retired farmer last year so I may build a saw rig 
with an engine on it someday.  I am looking at a 6 HP Type M that a 
friend has for sale so we will see.
I hate cutting limb wood with a chain saw, but I am too cheap to not use 
it. I have a neighbour who turns his nose up to limbwood but heat is heat.

Duncan


Curt wrote:

> Duncan,
> And I find it to be much safer and faster too. As you know a 3" limb 
> is cut thru in the blink of an eye.
> I used to use the 6HP Herc buzz saw for this but then painted it all 
> shiny. It's working days are done for a while....at least 'till the 
> paint dulls.
> Once I got the 8HP Famous going it would be hard to go back to using 
> the Herc. There is no comparison. Though the Herc worked well it moved 
> around as it is built lighter than the IHC. On the other hand the 
> Famous is a rock solid buzz saw. There is no flexing of the saw table 
> or any of the parts supporting the belt. It would be interesting to 
> know the difference in the original selling prices as there is a real 
> difference in the original quality!
> Curt
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>
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 19:15:43 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:15:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
Message-ID: <410-220051151831543906@earthlink.net>

The counter weights are on the crank Rick.  As far as the casting of the
cylinder that one was a bit different.  What they did was to build a core
box and then used cores stacked all the way around to form the cylinder
fins.  So, instead of using a pattern they used cores.  All of my New Ways
have super compression, even the little 1 hp can be a bit to turn over.

Tim.

>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update
>
>
> > The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to
the
> > crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The
intake
> > valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is
usually
> > rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I
have 
> > an
> > orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and
sent. 
> > I
> > won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and 
> > can't
> > do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be
able 
> > to
> > get out next week so send me your snail mail.
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> > > Subject: [SEL] New Way update
> > >
> > > G'day all;
> > >   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's
almost
> > in
> > > a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake valve
> > cage.
> > > I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to
break
> > > those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the bottom
of
> > the
> > > intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
> > >
> > >   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by.
Reprint
> > > would well suffice.
> > >
> > >   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor
collar 
> > > on
> > > the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also
decided
> > the
> > > gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came
off
> > and
> > > decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a stud 
> > > was
> > > used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
> > >
> > >   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
> > >
> > >   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > RickinMt.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 
> > > 11/16/2005
> >
> >
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 18 04:13:51 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:13:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
In-Reply-To: <200511172150570625.281032BB@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F377D1AD1BB948B91C2A308C85E0@phx.gbl>

No need to apoligize Spencer. I appreciate all the behind the scenes work 
you do to keep the SEL going. Thank you!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===========================================

>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>CC: jeremy at antiquepower.com
>Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:50:57 -0500
>
>A piece of Time Warner's equipment died.   Took me several hours to
>recognize it was their equipment since the internal interface passed tests,
>but the external interface was bad.  Then it took them until about 9:30pm
>last night to fix it.   I apologize for the delay, but I am glad I have
>business class service.   This was about the 5th time in the last year I
>have had to have round-the-clock attention and a technician working at
>night at my house.  Between the cable run, amplifier, and router everything
>they own that is on my property has had to be replaced this year.  This and
>the hard drive dying has made it a banner year for long outages.
>
>Once again, many apologies...
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 05:05:50 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:05:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2424F3274BB10DE8AEE61BE75E0@phx.gbl>

Hey Spencer just remember:

Manurith Occurrith

Regards,
Peg


>From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: RE: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:13:51 +0000
>
>No need to apoligize Spencer. I appreciate all the behind the scenes work 
>you do to keep the SEL going. Thank you!
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>===========================================
>
>>From: "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>CC: jeremy at antiquepower.com
>>Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
>>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:50:57 -0500
>>
>>A piece of Time Warner's equipment died.   Took me several hours to
>>recognize it was their equipment since the internal interface passed 
>>tests,
>>but the external interface was bad.  Then it took them until about 9:30pm
>>last night to fix it.   I apologize for the delay, but I am glad I have
>>business class service.   This was about the 5th time in the last year I
>>have had to have round-the-clock attention and a technician working at
>>night at my house.  Between the cable run, amplifier, and router 
>>everything
>>they own that is on my property has had to be replaced this year.  This 
>>and
>>the hard drive dying has made it a banner year for long outages.
>>
>>Once again, many apologies...
>>
>>Spencer Yost
>>Owner, ATIS
>>Plow the Net!
>>http://www.atis.net
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Nov 18 07:30:40 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:30:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Outages at ATIS
Message-ID: <20051118.103110.576.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Spencer - 

No appologies needed.

You do a great job of keeping the SEL up and active.

Thanks a bunch

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 08:54:18 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:54:18 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way update
References: <410-220051151831543906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1720FCAE3442F691C488E7BB5E0@phx.gbl>

I don't quite understand what you mean by corebox,,,but they're a bazillion 
things I don't understand <vbg>

  Well yesterday the cs got stripped and blasted, piston and rod 
reassembled..except for a darn 1/2x12 castle nut..that might be fun to find. 
Then I met Kathy down at the local watering hole, did some karokee and came 
home.

  Today I might just take the day off.

Thanks Tim
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way update


> The counter weights are on the crank Rick.  As far as the casting of the
> cylinder that one was a bit different.  What they did was to build a core
> box and then used cores stacked all the way around to form the cylinder
> fins.  So, instead of using a pattern they used cores.  All of my New Ways
> have super compression, even the little 1 hp can be a bit to turn over.
>
> Tim.
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way update
> >
> >
> > > The unknown stud in your one picture Rick is where the mixer bolts to
> the
> > > crank case.  The stud that is in there is not the correct one.  The
> intake
> > > valve cage is not threaded at the bottom but is a tight fit and is
> usually
> > > rusted to the block, lost of heat and some PB Blaster will help.  I
> have
> > > an
> > > orginal manual for the type "C" and will get it copied for you and
> sent.
> > > I
> > > won't be able to do this for a bit as I just had shoulder surgery and
> > > can't
> > > do much of anything let alone drive to a copy machine.  I should be
> able
> > > to
> > > get out next week so send me your snail mail.
> > >
> > > Tim Christoff
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > > > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > > Date: 11/17/2005 10:13:39 AM
> > > > Subject: [SEL] New Way update
> > > >
> > > > G'day all;
> > > >   Well disassembly on the 4.5hp vertical is going nicely and it's
> almost
> > > in
> > > > a million pieces.  Only problem is removing the stubborn intake 
> > > > valve
> > > cage.
> > > > I'm staying away from the rattle wrench for now as I don't want to
> break
> > > > those inside partitions.  Once again..are there threads on the 
> > > > bottom
> of
> > > the
> > > > intake valve cage?  I've had several people say no.
> > > >
> > > >   Also in desperate need of a book as they are hard to come by.
> Reprint
> > > > would well suffice.
> > > >
> > > >   I believe the demise of this engine was possibly the governor
> collar
> > > > on
> > > > the cs.  After many heat cycles, it finally came loose.  I also
> decided
> > > the
> > > > gov. mechanisms were in dire need of a closer look so flywheel came
> off
> > > and
> > > > decided why not take the other one off also...only to discover a 
> > > > stud
> > > > was
> > > > used for key and then the gib was driven in....Luv this stuff!!!
> > > >
> > > >   The gas tank does have a small leak but sealer should fix that.
> > > >
> > > >   Well enough for now..I've added a few pix's to the existing album:
> > > >
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > RickinMt.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SEL mailing list
> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- 
> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> > > > 11/16/2005
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 18 17:01:22 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:01:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] GEM Article Curt and Devin
Message-ID: <BAY103-F21C5F0F09B4432F96661E5C8510@phx.gbl>

Curt and Devin,

What a fabulous write up in Decembers GEM!! The first thing I do when I get 
my GEM is flip through all the pages real quick and I couldn't believe what 
I saw. I won't give it away for those that haven't seen it yet, but Wow 
Shirley and I were just thrilled. Brooky said, "hey I know him." 
Congradulations, very nicely done!!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov 19 03:26:35 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:26:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Rally Dates
Message-ID: <20051119112621.OSHT14751.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I would like to know the dates of the more significant engine rallys in
Europe, the UK, and the USA next year? 
I have an obscene amount of leave owing to me and I am planning a holiday
trip :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 06:16:32 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:16:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>

  G'day all;
I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea soup 
green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and the 
entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base (believe 
it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone shed 
light on the graphics?

  Re-assembly should start this coming week.

  TIA
RickinMt. 


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 06:41:30 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:41:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>

  Anyone need one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7564612402 

RickinMt.


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov 19 08:03:23 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:03:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <437F4CCB.2090206@scrtc.com>

Rick,

    Thats a Hercules/Economy gov.  Don't know what size though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky



>  Anyone need one?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7564612402 
>
>RickinMt.
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>  
>




From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Nov 19 08:05:09 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:05:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c5ed23$08129140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick,
  I have these codes for you.
Cylinder---unpainted aluminum.
Shroud, flywheels etc---maroon Dulux 93-30420-H.
Base ----Olive green 93-29609-H.

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



>   G'day all;
> I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea soup 
> green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and the 
> entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base (believe 
> it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone shed 
> light on the graphics?
> 
>   Re-assembly should start this coming week.
> 
>   TIA
> RickinMt. 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 08:37:33 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:37:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<000701c5ed23$08129140$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17916BA8583AEAA4824D79BB510@phx.gbl>

Thanks John..yes, those are the Dupont paint codes that I came up with 
also..believe they are old numbers..hope they can still reference them.

  Don't have the sheetmetal yet so will do without for now...but at least 
now I know which parts are which color.

Thanks pard
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code


> Hi Rick,
>   I have these codes for you.
> Cylinder---unpainted aluminum.
> Shroud, flywheels etc---maroon Dulux 93-30420-H.
> Base ----Olive green 93-29609-H.
>
> Take care,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> >   G'day all;
> > I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea 
> > soup
> > green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and 
> > the
> > entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base 
> > (believe
> > it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone 
> > shed
> > light on the graphics?
> >
> >   Re-assembly should start this coming week.
> >
> >   TIA
> > RickinMt.
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 19 08:38:34 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:38:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.
References: <BAY109-DAV2EAC867D2DFBCBA38A969BB510@phx.gbl>
	<437F4CCB.2090206@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV70BEA6051D23EA17FE0D9BB510@phx.gbl>

yea..an interested bidder would have to ask some questions.

Take Care Tommy
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Herc. Economy gov.


> Rick,
> 
>     Thats a Hercules/Economy gov.  Don't know what size though.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, Ky
> 
> 
> 
> >  Anyone need one?
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7564612402 
> >
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 09:50:06 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:50:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
Message-ID: <410-220051161917506250@earthlink.net>

Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of it to
do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn lettering
and pinstripping and flower painting.  There are no decals being made right
now so that is all hand done.  Latter tonight when I have more time I will
list the parts that are red, green and silver.

Tim Christoff.


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/19/2005 8:16:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
>
>   G'day all;
> I've looked up the two paint codes used on the New Way, one being a pea
soup 
> green and the maroon.  Question is, are just the flywheels maroon, and
the 
> entire engine then, pea soup green?  And I noticed that on the base
(believe 
> it to be Tim C's engine), that there are stemed flowers.  Can anyone shed 
> light on the graphics?
>
>   Re-assembly should start this coming week.
>
>   TIA
> RickinMt. 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov 19 10:44:33 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:44:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
Message-ID: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
with translation?
 
We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
is called a wrench.
 
If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
work just about the same as our wrenches.  
 
This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
about a box end or open end wrench?  
 
Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.  
 
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 11:01:28 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:01:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051119190128.47322.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

No...you've got it all wrong.
  We Yanks have wenchs.
  JM :-)

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:  Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
with translation?
 
We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
is called a wrench.
 
If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
work just about the same as our wrenches.  
 
This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
about a box end or open end wrench?  
 
Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.  
 
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
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La Habra, California
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 11:18:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:18:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511191118k6d0956d5gc84041ae076b3f9e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/19/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
> with translation?
>
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
> is called a wrench.

We have lots of wenchs here...:-))  "A wench is something that turns
the head of a dolt"

> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.

Spanner = wrench, almost regardless of whether ring or open-ended.

> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
> about a box end or open end wrench?

Shifters are usually 'Stilsons' wrenches over here, adjustable
spanners are smooth jawed, crescent wrenches are what we call pipe
wrenches (but see also Stilsons)  :-))

There was also a 'Footprint' brand pipe wrench (passed by the site of
the old Footprint factory a week or so ago in Sheffield)

> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.

Three nations separated by a common language?

> Rob

--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 11:34:05 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:34:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511191118k6d0956d5gc84041ae076b3f9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051119193405.17965.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

We best cease and desist...pretty soon we are going to get into the realm of "screwing".
  JM

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 11/19/05, Rob Skinner  wrote:
> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can help
> with translation?
>
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners externally
> is called a wrench.

We have lots of wenchs here...:-))  "A wench is something that turns
the head of a dolt"

> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.

Spanner = wrench, almost regardless of whether ring or open-ended.

> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?  Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?  How
> about a box end or open end wrench?

Shifters are usually 'Stilsons' wrenches over here, adjustable
spanners are smooth jawed, crescent wrenches are what we call pipe
wrenches (but see also Stilsons)  :-))

There was also a 'Footprint' brand pipe wrench (passed by the site of
the old Footprint factory a week or so ago in Sheffield)

> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.

Three nations separated by a common language?

> Rob

--
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Nov 19 13:19:58 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:19:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<6f6025160511191118k6d0956d5gc84041ae076b3f9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c5ed4f$003faee0$d285dccb@oemcomputer>

Generally we call all adjustable wrenches shifters and pipe wrenches
Stilsons.All are called spanners as general terminology inc socket ring etc.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:18
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> On 11/19/05, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who
can help
> > with translation?
> >
> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners
externally
> > is called a wrench.
>
> We have lots of wenchs here...:-))  "A wench is something that turns
> the head of a dolt"
>
> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are
supposed to
> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>
> Spanner = wrench, almost regardless of whether ring or open-ended.
>
> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some
"shifters."
> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws
similar
> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters?
Or
> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter?
How
> > about a box end or open end wrench?
>
> Shifters are usually 'Stilsons' wrenches over here, adjustable
> spanners are smooth jawed, crescent wrenches are what we call pipe
> wrenches (but see also Stilsons)  :-))
>
> There was also a 'Footprint' brand pipe wrench (passed by the site of
> the old Footprint factory a week or so ago in Sheffield)
>
> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't
want to
> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>
> Three nations separated by a common language?
>
> > Rob
>
> --
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> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 14:10:27 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:10:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051119190128.47322.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<20051119190128.47322.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511191410x18581ff3u3d450a9b2af02d77@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/19/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> No...you've got it all wrong.
>   We Yanks have wenchs.
>   JM :-)
>

Unfortunately, Jim, we have a few centuries' precedence over the use
of the word...:-))

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov 19 14:18:06 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:18:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <001501c5ed4f$003faee0$d285dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <006601c5ed57$1f2b0d60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Generally we call all adjustable wrenches shifters and pipe wrenches
> Stilsons.All are called spanners as general terminology inc 
> socket ring etc.

Thanks Edd!  Now I can walk around talking proper.

Rob





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:39:59 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:39:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511191410x18581ff3u3d450a9b2af02d77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051119223959.83967.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

You have "a few centuries' precendence" over most  everything.  Then, again, Australia features the world's largest  collection of things "venomous"...what's up with that? :-)
  JM
  

Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:  On 11/19/05, James Moran  wrote:
> No...you've got it all wrong.
>   We Yanks have wenchs.
>   JM :-)
>

Unfortunately, Jim, we have a few centuries' precedence over the use
of the word...:-))

Peter
--
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Sat Nov 19 16:36:01 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:36:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: 200046828
Message-ID: <003401c5ed6a$62b03ac0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi Rob
           I worked for an American Company on the International Airport in 
Victoria Aus ( Morrison Knudson ) and it used to amuse me as the Yanks 
called Shifters God Damned Adjustable. You couldn't put it any clearer than 
Ed's explanation Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:44 AM
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who can 
> help
> with translation?
>
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners 
> externally
> is called a wrench.
>
> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are 
> supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.
>
> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some 
> "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws 
> similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters? 
> Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter? 
> How
> about a box end or open end wrench?
>
> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want 
> to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com
>
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Nov 19 17:23:33 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 01:23:33 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051120012346.30AB424A61F@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Not an Aussie, but us Poms'd call a pipe wrench a Stilson (after the brand
name).  We might even call it a pipe wrench.  Open, ring and box spanners
are all spanners.  Sockets are a special case of box spanner but never
referred to as spanners, always sockets (or possibly socket wrenches) or
socket sets.  An adjustable spanner is exactly that, but sometimes it might
be a King Dick.  Oxy-acetylene cutting gear is usually known as "the gas
axe".  I have heard a propane torch referred to as "the blue spanner".  A
2lb hammer would be a "Birmingham screwdriver".  A 14lb hammer is a
micro-adjuster.  A chain-hoist can be a "come-along".  

On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were often
sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted paint,
a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long weight).


Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
...
(time passes)

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rob Skinner
> Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
> 
> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and 
> American who can help
> with translation?
>  
> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning 
> fasteners externally
> is called a wrench.
>  
> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The 
> spanners are supposed to
> work just about the same as our wrenches.  
>  
> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for 
> some "shifters."
> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth 
> parallel jaws similar
> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches 
> called shifters?  Or
> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called 
> a shifter?  How
> about a box end or open end wrench?  
>  
> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the 
> language... don't want to
> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.  
>  
> Rob
>  
>  
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov 19 15:43:30 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:43:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <006601c5ed57$1f2b0d60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <001501c5ed4f$003faee0$d285dccb@oemcomputer>
	<006601c5ed57$1f2b0d60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051119184148.03d09c80@mail.alltel.net>

At 05:18 PM 11/19/2005, you wrote:

> > Generally we call all adjustable wrenches shifters and pipe wrenches
> > Stilsons.All are called spanners as general terminology inc
> > socket ring etc.
>
>Thanks Edd!  Now I can walk around talking proper.
>
>Rob

Yea man, now I's cans walk aroun an talk prop justs lik yu!
         Dave 



From mtucker at uky.edu  Sat Nov 19 17:55:46 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:55:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>

Howdy all,

Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!

See ya',
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 18:22:04 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:22:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <200046828@tampabay.rr.com> <003401c5ed6a$62b03ac0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <004a01c5ed79$32e28960$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Adjustable wrenches are all Knuckle Busters.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> Hi Rob
>           I worked for an American Company on the International Airport in 
> Victoria Aus ( Morrison Knudson ) and it used to amuse me as the Yanks 
> called Shifters God Damned Adjustable. You couldn't put it any clearer 
> than Ed's explanation Cam
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:44 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>
>
>> Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and American who 
>> can help
>> with translation?
>>
>> We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning fasteners 
>> externally
>> is called a wrench.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The spanners are 
>> supposed to
>> work just about the same as our wrenches.
>>
>> This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for some 
>> "shifters."
>> The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth parallel jaws 
>> similar
>> to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches called shifters? 
>> Or
>> just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called a shifter? 
>> How
>> about a box end or open end wrench?
>>
>> Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the language... don't want 
>> to
>> cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=
>> Rob Skinner
>> La Habra, California
>> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
>> http://www.rustyiron.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 18:49:08 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:49:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <20051120024908.65824.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

Beware the buzz saw.
  JM

Michael Tucker <mtucker at uky.edu> wrote:  Howdy all,

Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!

See ya',
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Nov 19 19:18:39 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:18:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <002901c5ed81$1b7bf600$1985dccb@oemcomputer>

Congratulations.That's great.Famous engines run great when set up correct.I
assume it is a hit miss.My 4hp is a throttler and although it is very worn
it runs real good. Nice even beat.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at uky.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:55
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!


> Howdy all,
>
> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!
>
> See ya',
> Mike
> --
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Nov 19 21:31:52 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:31:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
Message-ID: <20051119.213152.1036.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

It was an absolutely beautiful day in Southern California.  Temp. in low
80?s, clear skies, no wind.  WAPA was again asked to display engines at
the annual open house for the Chaffee-Garcia historical house in Etiwanda
CA.  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31965914&f=0

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov 19 19:23:15 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:23:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051119221637.03d53320@mail.alltel.net>

Howdy all,
>Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get to 
>this point because of life and waiting on parts but after straightening up 
>the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new intake valve, a 
>re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty head gasket material 
>from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of 
>compression.  I think that it's been a LONG time since she ran but today, 
>using rubber bands on the governor weights, pouring gas into the mixer and 
>a conversation about igniters with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to 
>life!  With a LOT of details to fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she 
>settled in to about 110 rpm and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now 
>the focus will shift to getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life 
>is GREAT!
>See ya',
>Mike

Hi Mike,
         GREAT news! Did you have to change batteries, or did the one you 
were using do the trick? That buzz saw rig shouldn't take more than a few 
days to put in tip top shape. Can we expect to see the unit at Portland 2006?
         Dave
PS, Play with the gasoline adjustment a bit. You should be able to get at 
least 24/30 revs between hits!



From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sun Nov 20 02:23:15 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:23:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <004d01c5edbc$6f0091b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Congrats Mike, new IHC life again in engine land.
Can we expect some nice pics soon?

Regards,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Howdy all,
> 
> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!
> 
> See ya',
> Mike
> -- 
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 20 03:05:50 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:05:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
Message-ID: <003c01c5edc2$5f4c4740$4c85dccb@oemcomputer>

I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg Co
Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I can
find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Nov 20 03:10:15 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:10:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051120012346.30AB424A61F@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>


>I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!

left handed screwdriver


>On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were often
>sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted paint,
>a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long weight).
>
>
>Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>...
>(time passes)
>
>      Pete
>--
>Peter Scales
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rob Skinner
> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
> >
> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
> > American who can help
> > with translation?
> >
> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
> > fasteners externally
> > is called a wrench.
> >
> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
> > spanners are supposed to
> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
> >
> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
> > some "shifters."
> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
> > parallel jaws similar
> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
> > called shifters?  Or
> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called
> > a shifter?  How
> > about a box end or open end wrench?
> >
> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
> > language... don't want to
> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > =-=-=-=-=-=
> > Rob Skinner
> > La Habra, California
> > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> > http://www.rustyiron.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov 20 03:31:24 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:31:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001601c5edc5$f4ac7410$3e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I was sent to get a 6/8th drill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


>
>>I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!
>
> left handed screwdriver
>
>
>>On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were 
>>often
>>sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted 
>>paint,
>>a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long 
>>weight).
>>
>>
>>Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>>Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>>...
>>(time passes)
>>
>>      Pete
>>--
>>Peter Scales
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
>> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>> >
>> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
>> > American who can help
>> > with translation?
>> >
>> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
>> > fasteners externally
>> > is called a wrench.
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
>> > spanners are supposed to
>> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>> >
>> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
>> > some "shifters."
>> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
>> > parallel jaws similar
>> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
>> > called shifters?  Or
>> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called
>> > a shifter?  How
>> > about a box end or open end wrench?
>> >
>> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
>> > language... don't want to
>> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > =-=-=-=-=-=
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > La Habra, California
>> > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
>> > http://www.rustyiron.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
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>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 20 03:49:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:49:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15C27FD504EABCD75B9D3BBB500@phx.gbl>

Congrat's Mike!!! Oh what a feelin'

RickinMt.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at uky.edu>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!


> Howdy all,
> 
> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get 
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after 
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new 
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty 
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled 
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a 
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor 
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters 
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to 
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm 
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to 
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!
> 
> See ya',
> Mike
> -- 
> ____________________
> Michael Tucker
> Midway, Kentucky, USA
> mtucker at uky.edu
> ____________________
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 23:41:47 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:41:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
In-Reply-To: <20051119.213152.1036.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051119.213152.1036.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511192341p300457ckc2fae2106d4821e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> It was an absolutely beautiful day in Southern California.  Temp. in low
> 80?s, clear skies, no wind.  WAPA was again asked to display engines at
> the annual open house for the Chaffee-Garcia historical house in Etiwanda
> CA.  Pictures at:
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31965914&f=0
>
> Ron Haskell

Well, we could match the clear skies and no wind, but temperatures
struggled to get above 40 degrees F here, below freezing most nights
this last week and into next.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 20 04:27:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:27:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <410-220051161917506250@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV166E47843BE498471500E6BB500@phx.gbl>

> Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of it 
> to
> do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn lettering



AAArrghh..and I'm the worst freehand painter in the world..but there's light 
at the end of the tunnel.  The cute little neighbor gal doesn't do too bad a 
job with the brush.

MIGHTY FINE DAY YESTERDAY ..after 10 or so heat cycles the intake valve cage 
gave up it's attitude and decided to come out of hiding...but I need valve 
guides and new valves bad.  Exhaust valve tower might have to stay 
in..something about a sleeping dog, ya know?  Say, does the exhaust valve 
seat also come out with the valve guide tower?  Forgot to check on that.

  So no hurry Tim, I'll be awhile getting all the parts machined.  Think 
I'll check with some truck mechanics I know..might get lucky re. the valves.

  Take care and thanks a lot
Rick 


From mtucker at uky.edu  Sun Nov 20 05:10:51 2005
From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:10:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051119221637.03d53320@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051119221637.03d53320@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <p06230913bfa62039db57@[139.55.8.48]>

Dave and others,

Thanks for the words of encouragement!  Lincoln and I were very 
excited to hear her sit there and chuff away.

>Did you have to change batteries, or did the one you were using do the trick?

The one that I was using did the trick.  I think a lot of it was 
playing with the gas mixture enough to get it to run although I think 
that the spark was improved some by re-alining the contact points on 
the igniter so they mated up nice and flat.  Before they were only 
touching on a small part of the outer rim.

>That buzz saw rig shouldn't take more than a few days to put in tip top shape.

I hope you have hip waders on to walk through all of the "stuff" 
that's now surrounding your computer :-)!

>Can we expect to see the unit at Portland 2006?

If things go well the rig will be at the SIAM show in June where IHC 
engines will be the feature.

>PS, Play with the gasoline adjustment a bit. You should be able to 
>get at least 24/30 revs between hits!

Yep, for some reason I was having to run it too rich so I've 
definitely got a lot of tweaking to do.  Most of that will probably 
come after I get it mounted on the saw rig and get the fuel pump and 
cooling system hooked up.  That way I can play with the adjustments 
and if it isn't exactly right I can prepare some more shim stock and 
think about it while she sits there and runs "incorrectly." :-)

John, I'll work on getting some pictures out for you to see.

Take care,
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
mtucker at uky.edu
____________________


From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Nov 20 05:13:32 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:13:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <4380767C.7020802@udata.com>

Russell Gilbert wrote:

>
>> I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!
>
>
> left handed screwdriver
>
>
>> On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were 
>> often
>> sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted 
>> paint,
>> a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long 
>> weight).
>>
>>
>> Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>> Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>> ...
>> (time passes)
>>
>>      Pete
>> -- 
>> Peter Scales
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
>> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>> >
>> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
>> > American who can help
>> > with translation?
>> >
>> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
>> > fasteners externally
>> > is called a wrench.
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
>> > spanners are supposed to
>> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>> >
>> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
>> > some "shifters."
>> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
>> > parallel jaws similar
>> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
>> > called shifters? 
>> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
>> > language... don't want to
>> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>>
>
I like the aluminum magnet

-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 20 05:39:56 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:39:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
Message-ID: <112020051339.13782.43807CAC00092320000035D621979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Edd,
Interesting find on the engine.  Know of one fellow who used to own one that 
matches your engine description.  Not sure if he still has it or not but will 
try to contact him for you.  He had brought it to small engine show one time 
but could not get it to run so don't much about it other then it was a water 
cooled engine.  Do you have pics to post so we can see what she looks like?
regards,
Curt Andree


> I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
> crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg Co
> Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I can
> find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
> US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> 
> 
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Nov 20 05:48:33 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:48:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
Message-ID: <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>

As French Brothers currently have two young apprentices, these 
suggstions are particularly useful at the moment.
Jim would also add
washer holes
electric paintbrush
bucket of steam
left-handed paintbrush
Don't forget the tannoy calls for Mike Hunt and Bob Staines.
Also, I had a t-shirt for a mainframe company whose slogan was "Norfolk 
and Weigh - it will be done"

Dolly


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Nov 20 06:21:11 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:21:11 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
Message-ID: <20051120142124.322B424A974@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

How about the bottle of spirit-level bubbles?

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C.
> Sent: 20 November 2005 13:14
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
> 
<snip>
> >
> I like the aluminum magnet
> 
> -- 
> 		C-ya
> 
> 		  Leroy Clark




From oldengin at udata.com  Sun Nov 20 06:36:32 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:36:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
	<43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <438089F0.7040305@udata.com>

Jim French wrote:

> As French Brothers currently have two young apprentices, these 
> suggstions are particularly useful at the moment.
> Jim would also add
>  
> left-handed paintbrush

HEY...........  I have them

>
> Also, I had a t-shirt for a mainframe company whose slogan was 
> "Norfolk and Weigh - it will be done"


Bob and Tom info on this one.

How about Delbert Chitzlinger or my pet dog's name of Poopsalot, he is 
of the curb side setter breed

>
> Dolly
>
>


-- 
		C-ya

		  Leroy Clark

"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give."
            W.A. NANCE


better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 06:50:36 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:50:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
Message-ID: <204.e05dbc3.30b1e73c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/19/2005 8:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
peter at loud-n-clear.net writes:

Pete

<< On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were often
 sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted paint,
 a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long weight). 
>>


How about a box of scribe lines?   

<<Open, ring and box spanners are all spanners.>>

So what is a "ring" versus "box"  spanner?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 06:52:49 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:52:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
Message-ID: <159.5d152c1f.30b1e7c1@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/19/2005 9:23:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mtucker at uky.edu writes:

<< screen cooled 
 Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression. >>


Mike,

I am waiting for parts for my 6 screen Famous and hope to have it back 
together by spring.  Great engines!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Nov 20 06:54:56 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 06:54:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001601c5edc5$f4ac7410$3e9181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <006101c5ede2$5fa29710$30406e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

A friend of mine once sent a lady off to the stockroom for a fillopian tube. 
She came back with some huge hose and got upset when she finally found out 
what it was.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>
>>I was always amused by the bucket of compressed air!
>
> left handed screwdriver
>
>
>>On a (un)related note, engineering apprentices in factories here were
>>often
>>sent to the stores to draw such tools as a sky-hook, a can of spotted
>>paint,
>>a box of holes, or, the perennial favourite, a long stand (or long
>>weight).
>>
>>
>>Apprentice:  "I've come for a long stand."
>>Storeman:    "Over there out of the way then."
>>...
>>(time passes)
>>
>>      Pete
>>--
>>Peter Scales
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:45
>> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>> >
>> > Are there any bilingual Aussies who speak both Aussie and
>> > American who can help
>> > with translation?
>> >
>> > We Yanks have wrenchs.  Just about everything for turning
>> > fasteners externally
>> > is called a wrench.
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, the Poms have spanners.  The
>> > spanners are supposed to
>> > work just about the same as our wrenches.
>> >
>> > This morning I was looking an an Aussie auction on ebay for
>> > some "shifters."
>> > The shifters were of the "monkey wrench" sort, with smooth
>> > parallel jaws similar
>> > to a pipe wrench.  In Oz, are all spanners and wrenches
>> > called shifters?  Or
>> > just adjustable wrenches?  Would a Crescent wrench be called
>> > a shifter?  How
>> > about a box end or open end wrench?
>> >
>> > Just trying to understand the finer nuances of the
>> > language... don't want to
>> > cause any international incidents over imprecise communication.
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > =-=-=-=-=-=
>> > Rob Skinner
>> > La Habra, California
>> > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
>> > http://www.rustyiron.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
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> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 20 07:49:02 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:49:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <204.e05dbc3.30b1e73c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051120154902.69380.qmail@web25510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

A ring spanner is circular and flat at each end, and a box spanner is a tube with nut flats at one
end and a hole for a tommy bar at t'other.

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea


--- Germoamer at aol.com wrote:


> 
> <<Open, ring and box spanners are all spanners.>>
> 
> So what is a "ring" versus "box"  spanner?


		
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 07:47:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:47:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
References: <BAY109-DAV708DE5ACCBFE4CF3F23CBBB510@phx.gbl>
	<p06230912bfa584b267c6@[139.55.8.48]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511201042220.33332@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

AWESOME NEWS!!  Congrats!

BTW, you need to plan to attend Cotton Ginning Days with that buzz saw
rig.  Curt Holland is working to make this the "must attend" event for
wood cutters (buzz saws, drag saws, etc.)  They already have a lot of wood
cutters attending and are getting more each year.  AND they provide lovely
cedar and poplar logs in all sizes so you can work your toys without
having to bring your own logs.  What a sweet deal!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - They also have large crowds of appreciative spectators.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Michael Tucker wrote:

> Today turned out to be a good engine day!  It's taken a while to get
> to this point because of life and waiting on parts but after
> straightening up the ring grooves, putting in new custom rings, a new
> intake valve, a re-grind of the intake valve seat and some heavy duty
> head gasket material from Chuck Balyeat my 4 hp, screen cooled
> Osborne/Famous now has LOTS of compression.  I think that it's been a
> LONG time since she ran but today, using rubber bands on the governor
> weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a conversation about igniters
> with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to life!  With a LOT of details to
> fill in and a LOT of tweaking to go she settled in to about 110 rpm
> and about 12 revolutions between hits!  Now the focus will shift to
> getting the buzz saw rig ready.  Ah........ life is GREAT!


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Nov 20 09:06:52 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:06:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
Message-ID: <20051120.090653.1536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Peter.  I was just off by a little on the temperature yesterday.  Here
in Riverside ( about 20 miles from the show) it was 91?F .

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> 
> Well, we could match the clear skies and no wind, but temperatures
> struggled to get above 40 degrees F here, below freezing most nights
> this last week and into next.
> 
> Peter


From MBellar at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 09:15:39 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:15:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good Engine Day!
Message-ID: <9.50c7e2b3.30b2093b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/19/2005 9:23:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mtucker at uky.edu writes:

using  rubber bands on the governor 
weights, pouring gas into the mixer and a  conversation about igniters 
with Dr. Dave, she finally chuffed to  life!  


Mike;
I know the feeling. As you get a restoration near completion you just gota  
hear it "cha-kuff" for the first time in who knows how many years. I got my 
Geo.  Miller/Waterloo, exactly like the one that just sold on e-bay, to run using 
a  lot of bailing wire and duct tape. It now has a JB weld sleeve, a rubber  
o-ring lower piston ring and a modified mixer. She runs like a champ on the  
first or second pull. Sure wish I knew what color it was in it's prime.
 
Tom Bellar


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 10:08:40 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:08:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
Message-ID: <410-220051102018840984@earthlink.net>

Don't forget a carpenters long time favorite - The good old Board Stretcher

Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/20/2005 9:42:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
>
> I was sent to get a 6/8th drill





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov 20 11:00:13 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:00:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com> <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00394dabb657dcd95726733750b9583a@chartertn.net>

Anybody got a nice adjustable wench?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 11:07:42 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:07:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine show
In-Reply-To: <20051120.090653.1536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051120.090653.1536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511201107l69c5938fk6d2154e3e64b2589@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/05, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter.  I was just off by a little on the temperature yesterday.  Here
> in Riverside ( about 20 miles from the show) it was 91?F .
>
> Ron Haskell

Sounds like heaven! :-))

Off out to feed the hosses shortly, it's well below freezing outside now.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 11:12:14 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:12:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Collection from Glen Lyon, PA anyone?
Message-ID: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking at something in a little place called Glen Lyon in
Pennsylvania, it's a bit heavy but not an engine :-))  It's a
controller for a CNC machine that we have, and while the price is VERY
reasonable, carriage to almost anywhere is going to be relatively
expensive.

Is there anyone within striking distance on either of the Lists?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 11:08:23 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:08:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Collection from Glen Lyon, PA anyone?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511201405550.33332@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

That's up in the north-east corner of the state;
between Shickshinny and Nanticoke.  8-))
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&1ahXX=&address=&city=Glen+Lyon&state=PA&zipcode=

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Listerdiesel wrote:

> We are looking at something in a little place called Glen Lyon in
> Pennsylvania, it's a bit heavy but not an engine :-))  It's a
> controller for a CNC machine that we have, and while the price is VERY
> reasonable, carriage to almost anywhere is going to be relatively
> expensive.
>
> Is there anyone within striking distance on either of the Lists?


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sun Nov 20 11:46:51 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:46:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<4380767C.7020802@udata.com> <43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
	<00394dabb657dcd95726733750b9583a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c5ee0b$275526b0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Here is a nice one and cheep too. e-bay # 6226526688

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie Translators?


> Anybody got a nice adjustable wench?
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 11:47:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:47:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <00394dabb657dcd95726733750b9583a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051120194709.92092.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

JC-
  Hey!  The "wench" pun was MINE! ;-)
  JM

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Anybody got a nice adjustable wench?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Nov 20 12:04:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:04:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bromps
Message-ID: <044501c5ee0d$f61983e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I received this and thought it should be passed on.
(I still dont have the eight flywheels I paid for last March)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
To: Reg Ingold 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: Bromps


Hello Reg,

 The Department of Justice, Oregon has contacted Bromps about his cheating customers, so now all I can do is wait. I have not got back to model building in the shop yet. I should be back in the shop before long. Got so many projects, don't know what to start on first. It always takes awhile to get back in the groove. I will let you know what develops with Bromps. Let me know if you ever get all your castings from Bromps.


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov 20 12:05:54 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:05:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051120194709.92092.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051120194709.92092.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <072d452dcae7d36b2d7f15d173d9073a@chartertn.net>

It goes around and comes around periodically. :-)

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:47 PM, James Moran wrote:

> JC-
>   Hey!  The "wench" pun was MINE! ;-)
>   JM
>
> John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Anybody got a nice 
> adjustable wench?
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Nov 20 12:51:16 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:51:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
References: <004701c5ed39$49e01c30$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051120220819.023753e0@mail.ncable.com.au><4380767C.7020802@udata.com>
	<43807EB1.5020009@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <048f01c5ee14$29ca5650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Metric shifter?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 13:19:57 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:19:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <072d452dcae7d36b2d7f15d173d9073a@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051120211957.62158.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

You, of course, know the difference between a sewing machine and a female jogger?
  

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  It goes around and comes around periodically. :-)

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:47 PM, James Moran wrote:

> JC-
>   Hey!  The "wench" pun was MINE! ;-)
>   JM
>
> John Culp  wrote:  Anybody got a nice 
> adjustable wench?
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Nov 20 13:40:12 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:40:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <20051120211957.62158.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051120211957.62158.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82857e6cb07eee46db3169ef56a0e7b0@chartertn.net>

The sewing machine's only got one bobbin.

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, James Moran wrote:

> You, of course, know the difference between a sewing machine and a 
> female jogger?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 20 13:58:35 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:58:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
References: <112020051339.13782.43807CAC00092320000035D621979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001101c5ee1d$8f7e2b80$2584dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Curt.Thanks for the reply.I don't have it home as yet but will get some
pics when I can.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [SEL] Thompson


> Hi Edd,
> Interesting find on the engine.  Know of one fellow who used to own one
that
> matches your engine description.  Not sure if he still has it or not but
will
> try to contact him for you.  He had brought it to small engine show one
time
> but could not get it to run so don't much about it other then it was a
water
> cooled engine.  Do you have pics to post so we can see what she looks
like?
> regards,
> Curt Andree
>
>
> > I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
> > crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg
Co
> > Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I
can
> > find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
> > US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> > EDD PAYNE
> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > 0263742387
> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >
> >
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 20 13:56:33 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:56:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
In-Reply-To: <003c01c5edc2$5f4c4740$4c85dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F3CD489F019F10AB9D67FDBA500@phx.gbl>

Hi Edd,there is an article in one of my copies of gem,if you like i will 
chase it up and scan a copy for you,David


>From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Thompson
>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:05:50 +1100
>
>I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
>crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg Co
>Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I can
>find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
>US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>
>
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_________________________________________________________________
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 14:11:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:11:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie Translators?
In-Reply-To: <82857e6cb07eee46db3169ef56a0e7b0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051120221101.8662.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Excellent!  Now, do we want to do the pygmies -v- the girls cross country team thing? :-)
  JM

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  The sewing machine's only got one bobbin.

John

On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, James Moran wrote:

> You, of course, know the difference between a sewing machine and a 
> female jogger?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sun Nov 20 21:26:28 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:26:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thompson
References: <BAY14-F3CD489F019F10AB9D67FDBA500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ee5c$215a5fe0$3b84dccb@oemcomputer>

That would be good.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Nicolson" <dnicolson40 at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:56
Subject: RE: [SEL] Thompson


> Hi Edd,there is an article in one of my copies of gem,if you like i will
> chase it up and scan a copy for you,David
>
>
> >From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: [SEL] Thompson
> >Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:05:50 +1100
> >
> >I have done a deal with a bloke in Queensland for a little American open
> >crank called aThompson Tiger of about 2HP.Made by J.Thompson & Sons Mfg
Co
> >Beloit Wisconsin.I have found it in the BYB but this is all the info I
can
> >find.Does anyone on the list know of any of these engines about in the
> >US.Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> >EDD PAYNE
> >PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >0263742387
> >edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=667&referr
al=HotmailTaglineNov&URL=http://www.ninemsn.com.au/startsomething
>
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Nov 21 03:44:14 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:44:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] tiger 2
Message-ID: <004e01c5ee90$e6beea60$df85dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi.In a Gas engine mag in 1989 there was a story about a 6 hp Thompson
Tiger.The guy who had it is Bart C Cushing of New Hampshire.Does any one
know of him or if he is still about in the Hobby.There is a postal address
but don't want to write just on spek.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Nov 21 06:39:36 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:39:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
Message-ID: <000301c5eead$ba88af40$52b3123f@oemcomputer>

Hi to all,

I am working to identify the existing Kewanee engines, get the type and
serial number info, find copies of literature and then try to sort it all
out and write up story on the whole thing.  If you have Kewanee engines or
info or know someone who does, please let me know so I can contact them.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 07:27:10 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:27:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo cyl.
Message-ID: <20051121152722.08AD024B073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Good morning. I purchased a 6 horse novo cylinder from a gentleman in Butler
Pa. He doesn't want to ship it and I know it's late in the season, but is
anyone going by there who can pick it up so I can starts it's journey
towards California.. Butler is a little south-east of I 80/ I79 interchange.
He is willing to store it for a while so maybe in the spring time would
work. Thanks  ,Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato, Ca.  415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 21 08:20:41 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:20:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
In-Reply-To: <000301c5eead$ba88af40$52b3123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F15BBE444A5F696FD1AA651C8530@phx.gbl>

Hi Glenn,

Are you looking for the Kewanee pumping engines

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04-21.jpg

or are you looking for the type you had at Portland this year?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port05/port54.html

or both?

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=================

>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>
>Hi to all,
>
>I am working to identify the existing Kewanee engines, get the type and
>serial number info, find copies of literature and then try to sort it all
>out and write up story on the whole thing.  If you have Kewanee engines or
>info or know someone who does, please let me know so I can contact them.
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 11:39:03 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:39:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Collection from Glen Lyon, PA anyone?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160511201112q68643a54yb7414bcf7363ebd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511211139m4eb6a096m2e68bf85a37f38a0@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/20/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> We are looking at something in a little place called Glen Lyon in
> Pennsylvania, it's a bit heavy but not an engine :-))

All sorted now, thanks to those who replied.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Nov 21 12:40:06 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:40:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
References: <BAY103-F15BBE444A5F696FD1AA651C8530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006301c5eedb$c4b26000$e6e6123f@oemcomputer>

Luke,

I am looking for info on both kinds.  Serial numbers, literature, etc.  The
red one pictured is a number 19 pumping unit.

Glenn

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Kewanee engines


> Hi Glenn,
>
> Are you looking for the Kewanee pumping engines
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04-21.jpg
>
> or are you looking for the type you had at Portland this year?
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port05/port54.html
>
> or both?
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> =================
>
> >From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
> >
> >Hi to all,
> >
> >I am working to identify the existing Kewanee engines, get the type and
> >serial number info, find copies of literature and then try to sort it all
> >out and write up story on the whole thing.  If you have Kewanee engines
or
> >info or know someone who does, please let me know so I can contact them.
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >Glenn Karch
> >Haubstadt, IN, USA
> >Hercules Historian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 21 15:16:51 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:16:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cyl.
In-Reply-To: <20051121152722.08AD024B073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20051121152722.08AD024B073@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051121181449.048cfd40@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jim,
         I'm about 45 miles from Butler. I can pick it up and hold it here 
at my place until you figure out how to move it west. let me know what you 
wish me to do.
         Dave

At 10:27 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
>Good morning. I purchased a 6 horse novo cylinder from a gentleman in Butler
>Pa. He doesn't want to ship it and I know it's late in the season, but is
>anyone going by there who can pick it up so I can starts it's journey
>towards California.. Butler is a little south-east of I 80/ I79 interchange.
>He is willing to store it for a while so maybe in the spring time would
>work. Thanks  ,Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato, Ca.  415 892 0236
>Jim O'Hagan



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Nov 22 03:37:48 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:37:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bromps
Message-ID: <030a01c5ef59$31153b50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have just had mail from Brad Smith.
<<
Reg:

I believe this is the guy who is telling people that "Brad Smith from 
Franklin, WI" is going to buy him out.  I have in no way contacted the man 
and I have no intention of buying him out.  I have no idea where he got that 
idea.  I have gotten calls from model builders concerning this.

Brad Smith >>

As you can see, I am trying to get what I paid for from a cheating, liar.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 22 04:09:58 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:09:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kewanee engines
In-Reply-To: <006301c5eedb$c4b26000$e6e6123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23CD5F59336CD18E0884D2C8520@phx.gbl>

Glenn,

There are six pictures of that engine in the middle of this page. Including 
the tag with serial number

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/allendale04/allendale04.html

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>
>Luke,
>
>I am looking for info on both kinds.  Serial numbers, literature, etc.  The
>red one pictured is a number 19 pumping unit.
>
>Glenn
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 22 06:17:24 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:17:24 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;
  I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. to 
clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia. 
reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I do 
it by hand?

  I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.

  I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)


  Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets 
each...not too bad IMO.

  TIA
RickinMt.


 


From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Nov 22 06:47:55 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:47:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ef73$bc9e0fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Hi Rick,
  I wouldn't do it by hand, when it a little sticks you get
an egg shape before you know it cause your strong arms.
Span it on the drillpress table and use the spindle as a guide
and turn it by hand.

Take care,
John Hammink
Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web



> Howdy all;
>   I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. to 
> clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia. 
> reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I do 
> it by hand?
> 
>   I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.
> 
>   I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)
> 
> 
>   Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets 
> each...not too bad IMO.
> 
>   TIA
> RickinMt.
> 
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Nov 22 07:09:20 2005
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:09:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Email Address
Message-ID: <p06210208bfa8e49880ad@[128.163.81.76]>

Howdy all,

I'm changing my email address over to <oldironnut at alltel.net>.  So 
please update your address books.

Take care,
Mike
-- 
____________________
Michael Tucker
Midway, Kentucky, USA
oldironnut at alltel.net
____________________


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 22 07:59:26 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:59:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
	<000b01c5ef73$bc9e0fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2189CB9D8FFF019B2D84B9BB520@phx.gbl>

Ok John gotcha...makes sense to me. Now the reamers I've seen have a square 
drive end much like a tap, with countersunk indexing hole.  I could orient 
the valve guide to the drill press, put a handle on the reamer, Install a 
pointed gizmo thing in the drill chuck and bring the pointed gizmo down into 
the indexing hole on the reamer.  This will orient the reamer straight up 
and down and keep it from cocking.

  This is where a third hand would be handy, eh?

  Do I use cutting oil with a reamer doing cast?  Been told not to use 
cutting oil when threading cast with taps/dies?

Thanks pard
Rick







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower


> Hi Rick,
>   I wouldn't do it by hand, when it a little sticks you get
> an egg shape before you know it cause your strong arms.
> Span it on the drillpress table and use the spindle as a guide
> and turn it by hand.
>
> Take care,
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
> > Howdy all;
> >   I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. 
> > to
> > clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia.
> > reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I 
> > do
> > it by hand?
> >
> >   I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.
> >
> >   I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)
> >
> >
> >   Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets
> > each...not too bad IMO.
> >
> >   TIA
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Tue Nov 22 09:33:19 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:33:19 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl><000b01c5ef73$bc9e0fc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>
	<BAY109-DAV2189CB9D8FFF019B2D84B9BB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c5ef8a$d873f310$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>

Rick why not the reamer straight in the drill chuck, than you don't need
that pointed gizmo.
Take the V-belt off of the drillpress and turn the spindle by hand at the
pulley or some gizmo through the morse-cone hole.
Don't use any liquid, only blow some compressed air in the work, so
the guide keeps clean inside.

John H.



> Ok John gotcha...makes sense to me. Now the reamers I've seen have a square 
> drive end much like a tap, with countersunk indexing hole.  I could orient 
> the valve guide to the drill press, put a handle on the reamer, Install a 
> pointed gizmo thing in the drill chuck and bring the pointed gizmo down into 
> the indexing hole on the reamer.  This will orient the reamer straight up 
> and down and keep it from cocking.
> 
>   This is where a third hand would be handy, eh?
> 
>   Do I use cutting oil with a reamer doing cast?  Been told not to use 
> cutting oil when threading cast with taps/dies?
> 
> Thanks pard
> Rick




From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Nov 22 10:18:43 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:18:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV17BCD2F760E0224898721FBB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43836103.3090400@imc-group.com>

Rick,
I just went out and surfed your New Way pictures again and see that the 
exhaust valve is directly under the intake valve. Understand I haven't 
fixed up Missy's New Way yet so I have no New Way experience to draw on. 
But the Baker Monitor is configured similarly, just reversed. On the BM 
the exhaust valve cage comes out and the intake is built into the head. 
My point is that when they were building your engine they likely 
machined the intake valve cage fit, reamed the exhaust valve stem, and 
cut the exhaust valve seat all in one set up. Therefore, to keep 
everything on center and aligned,  how about making a guide that fits in 
the intake cage cavity that will precisely guide the reamer you will be 
using to clean up the exhaust guide.
When I did Devin's engine I made a guide of brass that had a 45? taper 
on one end that wedged into the valve seat. The OD was also made to 
square up perfectly in the valve cage bore. I turned and reamed the 
brass guide in one setup so everything was dead concentric. I reamed the 
brass guide to assure a barely slip fit on the shank of the reamers. 
This kept the reamers running true. I had to open the guide up in 3 
steps with reamers to get 100% cleanup. All in all it took .062 increase 
in size. So what were 5/16" shanks on the valves are now 3/8".
Here is a picture of the fixture to guide the reamer:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Intake2.jpg>
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Intake5.jpg>
and in use:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Intake1.jpg>

It would be a bad day to ream the guide in an unguided condition only to 
find out that the stem is no where near centered on the valve seat 
anymore. That could mean removing huge amount of material to bring the 
seat back in alignment with the stem bore.

I found I spend way more time making the tools to do the repairs than on 
anything else. But the end result is well worth the trouble when you 
have a purring engine to listen to.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



Richard Strobel wrote:

>Howdy all;
>  I'd like to ream my exhaust valve stem tower a little larger in dia. to 
>clean it up.  Question I've had for a long time...if I use a fixed dia. 
>reamer, and use a tap handle on it, do I need a pilot guide?..IOW, can I do 
>it by hand?
>
>  I know on some dad had, there was a pilot when it first starts out.
>
>  I'll leave it at that before I confuse myself :-)
>
>
>  Max Morgan in Boise, Id., will build me new valves for 35 rockets 
>each...not too bad IMO.
>
>  TIA
>RickinMt.
>
>
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 10:38:14 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:38:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV2189CB9D8FFF019B2D84B9BB520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051122183814.70496.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Rick

'Hand' reamers - the ones with the square for the handle have a taper lead in.  'Machine' reamers
are parallel without the lead in.

Use a hand reamer in your drill press.  Hold the reamer in the drill chuck, turn the chuck with
one hand and feed in with the other as the reamer cuts.

Reamers are designed for only cutting a few thou.  If you are going to remove significant amounts
of metal, use the nearest smaller drill first.

Do not use cutting oil on cast iron.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

> Ok John gotcha...makes sense to me. Now the reamers I've seen have a square 
> drive end much like a tap, with countersunk indexing hole.  I could orient 
> the valve guide to the drill press, put a handle on the reamer, Install a 
> pointed gizmo thing in the drill chuck and bring the pointed gizmo down into 
> the indexing hole on the reamer.  This will orient the reamer straight up 
> and down and keep it from cocking.


		
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Nov 22 18:24:17 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:24:17 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Junk
Message-ID: <20051123022411.GKLA24868.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I brought this home on the weekend. My parents found it in an antique shop
and the price was right. It seems pretty complete:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122007.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122008.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122009.JPG
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122010.JPG


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Leichhardt NSW
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue Nov 22 18:46:37 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:46:37 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Z Style C question
Message-ID: <20051122.184641.25943.19447@webmail39.lax.untd.com>

HI Guys, I have a FM Style C 6 -7 hp engine. It has a round adjusting rod that controls the throttle rod coming out of the base for the engine speed. The end of the adjusting rod is broken. Does anyone have a close up pic of what this looks like? I think all I have to do is to put a small clevis on the existing rod and pin it onto the piece coming out of the base and I would have it. A pic would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe Kelley


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 22 19:15:49 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:15:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <20051122183814.70496.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01da01c5efdc$3559fa60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Here's another reaming tip.  

Say you've just finished reaming a hole and it's an RCH smaller than you really
need.  The next sized reamer is WAY too big.  Whucha gonna do?

Take a small strip of paper -- thin rolling papers are best.  Put it along one
flute of the reamer, and carefully feed the reamer back into the hole while
turning by hand.  The paper pushes the reamer over very slightly, and you end up
with a larger hole.  

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 22 19:22:52 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:22:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
Message-ID: <410-220051132332252796@earthlink.net>

I will try to get the manual in the mail this weekend Rick.

Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/20/2005 6:27:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
>
> > Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of
it 
> > to
> > do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn
lettering
>
>
>
> AAArrghh..and I'm the worst freehand painter in the world..but there's
light 
> at the end of the tunnel.  The cute little neighbor gal doesn't do too
bad a 
> job with the brush.
>
> MIGHTY FINE DAY YESTERDAY ..after 10 or so heat cycles the intake valve
cage 
> gave up it's attitude and decided to come out of hiding...but I need
valve 
> guides and new valves bad.  Exhaust valve tower might have to stay 
> in..something about a sleeping dog, ya know?  Say, does the exhaust valve 
> seat also come out with the valve guide tower?  Forgot to check on that.
>
>   So no hurry Tim, I'll be awhile getting all the parts machined.  Think 
> I'll check with some truck mechanics I know..might get lucky re. the
valves.
>
>   Take care and thanks a lot
> Rick 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 22 19:43:37 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:43:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Reaming valve stem tower
In-Reply-To: <01da01c5efdc$3559fa60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <20051122183814.70496.qmail@web25506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<01da01c5efdc$3559fa60$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051122224157.04a147a8@mail.alltel.net>

That's fine for you guys in KA, but I live in PA. What should I use if no 
one in my neighborhood smokes dope?
         Dave

At 10:15 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:
>Here's another reaming tip.
>Say you've just finished reaming a hole and it's an RCH smaller than you 
>really
>need.  The next sized reamer is WAY too big.  Whucha gonna do?
>Take a small strip of paper -- thin rolling papers are best.  Put it along one
>flute of the reamer, and carefully feed the reamer back into the hole while
>turning by hand.  The paper pushes the reamer over very slightly, and you 
>end up
>with a larger hole.
>Rob Skinner



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 22 20:09:56 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:09:56 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
References: <410-220051132332252796@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1131759FBD6B3510EBECCFBB550@phx.gbl>

You get that shoulder healed up first...I can wait.


Thanx pard
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code


> I will try to get the manual in the mail this weekend Rick.
>
> Tim
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 11/20/2005 6:27:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way Paint Code
> >
> > > Better practice up on your fine brush painting Rick, you got a lot of
> it
> > > to
> > > do now.  The longest part of New Way restoration is all the damn
> lettering
> >
> >
> >
> > AAArrghh..and I'm the worst freehand painter in the world..but there's
> light
> > at the end of the tunnel.  The cute little neighbor gal doesn't do too
> bad a
> > job with the brush.
> >
> > MIGHTY FINE DAY YESTERDAY ..after 10 or so heat cycles the intake valve
> cage
> > gave up it's attitude and decided to come out of hiding...but I need
> valve
> > guides and new valves bad.  Exhaust valve tower might have to stay
> > in..something about a sleeping dog, ya know?  Say, does the exhaust 
> > valve
> > seat also come out with the valve guide tower?  Forgot to check on that.
> >
> >   So no hurry Tim, I'll be awhile getting all the parts machined.  Think
> > I'll check with some truck mechanics I know..might get lucky re. the
> valves.
> >
> >   Take care and thanks a lot
> > Rick
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 23 01:17:10 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:17:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Junk
In-Reply-To: <20051123022411.GKLA24868.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY14-F187F71BE907CF67C889129BA550@phx.gbl>

Hi Patrick,your piece of so called junk looks to be 100% complete,this one 
is roughly a 1940"s-50's model separator.Jeff Holly would be the person to 
contact inregard to this items.Dave


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        
>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] More Junk
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:24:17 +1100
>
>I brought this home on the weekend. My parents found it in an antique shop
>and the price was right. It seems pretty complete:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122007.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122008.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122009.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122010.JPG
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 23 06:17:02 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:17:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Junk
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F187F71BE907CF67C889129BA550@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051123141654.BSWJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Thanks Dave. It seems in pretty good condition. I think there may be
something missing off the spinning thing that goes in the middle (sitting
next to the separator in the pics).
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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-----Original Message-----

Hi Patrick,your piece of so called junk looks to be 100% complete,this one 
is roughly a 1940"s-50's model separator.Jeff Holly would be the person to 
contact inregard to this items.Dave


>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,

>"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] More Junk
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:24:17 +1100
>
>I brought this home on the weekend. My parents found it in an antique shop
>and the price was right. It seems pretty complete:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122007.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122008.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122009.JPG
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/misc/05122010.JPG
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 09:07:59 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:07:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Economy driven logsplitter
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11FE67A326223473F319C0BB550@phx.gbl>

  Thought ya'll might like to see this neat project.  Mr. Barnes mentioned 
to his dad several years ago that a log splitter would be nice.  Dad 
said..I'll build ya one.

  It turns over very nice..3hp I believe.  Not much resistance felt due to 
the pump control valve being in the center position.  Says it splits slow, 
but gets the job done.

Click here and hit next for more pix's


http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/505431225NkSQOa


later,
RickinMt.
PS:  Marv..I'll send them to ya off list 


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 23 16:25:47 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:25:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Famous words....
Message-ID: <BAY108-F95EE3B1DD079BF3FCFC8B95540@phx.gbl>

Now Curt, You know what Dr Dave sez...... They ain't making no more old 
iron, but they're still making wives!   So my theory is .....Always be in a 
position where you can play with new iron and definitely be in a position 
where you can play with potential new wives!  Even if you can't really 
afford either one!  Somehow the 4hp IHC sawrig followed me home again Sunday 
so I would love to bring it to Evansville next June. Look for me there!  
Steve


>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>To: Michael Tucker <oldironnut at alltel.net>
>CC: Steve Royster <steve at bassandroyster.com>,        Steve Royster 
><steve_royster at hotmail.com>,        "Mike Royster (work)" 
><roysteroil at carolina.rr.com>,        Missy Holland <mholland at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: Famous words....
>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:22:04 -0500
>
>Michael Tucker wrote:
>
>>>Oh, we need to get Steve Royster to bring the 4HP Famous tilting table 
>>>saw rig to Evansville for the IHC event next June too.
>>
>>
>>Did Steve talk Bill out of that rig again?
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>PS.  Steve,  could you pass along to Bill that my Osborne/Famous is now 
>>among the running?
>
>Mike,
>
>Oh I think Bill and Steve are so tight that there is a grey line between 
>who owns what when. Ya know....what is yours is mine and vice 
>versa.....kind of like marriage. Hell it is better than marriage. Bill is 
>on his second wife and Steve.....is it three he's gotten rid of?? I think 
>they've been doing the engine thing longer than either of them have been 
>married. They even room together when on those long road trips. Makes one 
>wonder.....
>So not to worry, so long as Steve is taking loving care of Bill the weeks 
>before SIAM, I'd bet Steve could bring that Famous to set with all the 
>others that will be there.  :-)
>Curt
>
>P.S. While I am sure Steve will be happy to pass along the news of you 
>Osborn, you can always send Bill note and a picture via email. His addy is:
>wtbirdsr at charter.net
>
>




From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 21:08:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:08:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20051124.001353.820.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.

From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Nov 24 06:54:11 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:54:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20051124.001353.820.8.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>

Back at you Joe and every one else on the list.
R  Fink
PA



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>Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
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>  ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 08:05:39 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:05:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Rita is gone but not forgotten
Message-ID: <1ec.46db4793.30b73ed3@aol.com>

Bo,

Hope this finds things better there and getting back to a reasonable normal 
way of life.  Millie's family will come here for lunch and spend the afternoon. 
 Maybe 10-13 depending on who shows up. We will be a little light due to some 
not in town or cannot make it for other reasons, but will have a good time 
nevertheless as it is a nice sunny 60 deg day but headed for the 20's tonight 
and middle 30's tomorrow.

Just wanted to say hello and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 24 14:03:15 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:03:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>

  Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.


  Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?


http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi


  Regards,
RickinMt.


From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 24 14:40:20 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:40:20 -0800
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051124143610.02633d20@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

At 02:03 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
>   Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.
>
>
>   Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?

Rick, I don't know specifically about the New Way but it was not unusual to 
have a fixed fuel jet and an adjustable air shutter to set the mixture.  My 
brother has a 3 hp. Ruston and Hornsby with this setup.

Larry



>http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
>
>
>   Regards,
>RickinMt.
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Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 24 14:46:23 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:46:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
Message-ID: <410-220051142422462362@earthlink.net>

cause there is no needle valve.  The air fuel mixture is controlled by the
choke lever.   There is a set screw that you adjust to control the amount
of air that enters the mixer.

Tim


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/24/2005 4:03:21 PM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
>
>   Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.
>
>
>   Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?
>
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
>
>
>   Regards,
> RickinMt.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov 24 14:51:20 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 06:51:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c5f149$9aa30a10$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Not a good time for Turkey's
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Fink Sr" <nancydick at pennswoods.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject)


> Back at you Joe and every one else on the list.
> R  Fink
> PA
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:08 AM 11/24/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>>
>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>  ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>  \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,
>>  (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov 24 15:00:32 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:00:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
Message-ID: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have 
reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill slide 
, more water coming out than oil.
If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We 
have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy 
supplies .
An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a 
new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being used 
is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for the 
use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to 
export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 24 16:26:06 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:26:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
References: <410-220051142422462362@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15CD43FC85956ECD459FB8BB570@phx.gbl>

Ok thanks guys.  Will try to fabricate one.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped


> cause there is no needle valve.  The air fuel mixture is controlled by the
> choke lever.   There is a set screw that you adjust to control the amount
> of air that enters the mixer.
>
> Tim
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 11/24/2005 4:03:21 PM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
> >
> >   Happy T'day gang, very nice here at 62 above and no wind.
> >
> >
> >   Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?
> >
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
> >
> >
> >   Regards,
> > RickinMt.
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> >
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Nov 24 15:24:44 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:24:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Shaft Engine?
Message-ID: <e846048b493d648aeb277326cb7b921a@chartertn.net>

While reading one of Leroy's posts about building models just now, 
something he said got me thinking (which is always dangerous.) He 
mentioned something about planning to build an inverted horizontal 
engine, which got me wondering what he meant, because it seems that an 
inverted horizontal engine is still a horizontal engine. (I'm thinking 
he meant an inverted vertical engine.) But then I got to thinking about 
a horizontal one rolled over 90 degrees, with the cylinder horizontal 
and the crankshaft vertical. The flywheels would rotate in the 
horizontal plane. Like a vertical shaft lawnmower engine. Were any old 
stationary engines built on that pattern?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jhcullom at adelphia.net  Thu Nov 24 17:05:04 2005
From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:05:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
References: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005b01c5f15c$45303680$6401a8c0@office>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>  Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?

It's no good. Throw it away & get a Galloway. I hear they're pretty 
good........  ;-) 




From oldengin at udata.com  Thu Nov 24 17:21:18 2005
From: oldengin at udata.com (oldengin at udata.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:21:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Shaft Engine?
Message-ID: <38485a67ca0248929d5702927aeed45d.oldengin@udata.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: John Culp [mailto:johnculp at chartertn.net]
Sent: 11/24/2005 6:24:44 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Shaft Engine?

> While reading one of Leroy's posts about building models just now, 
> something he said got me thinking (which is always dangerous.) He 
> mentioned something about planning to build an inverted horizontal 
> engine, which got me wondering what he meant, because it seems that an 
> inverted horizontal engine is still a horizontal engine. (I'm thinking 
> he meant an inverted vertical engine.) But then I got to thinking about 
> a horizontal one rolled over 90 degrees,> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA


John, turn it another 90 degrees and keep the flywheels where they are? you are close....  Leroy




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Nov 24 18:05:04 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:05:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped
References: <BAY109-DAV1849FA8DA1DDDCB39AAE16BB540@phx.gbl>
	<005b01c5f15c$45303680$6401a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15A2578A982584CFAADF9BB570@phx.gbl>

Hi John..still need to call the guy on the Masterpiece. 6hp. I beleive..with 
the dual fuel mixer.

Thankx for reminding me

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cullom" <jhcullom at adelphia.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way, I'm stumped


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> >  Well once again, I'm stumped...why no needle valve adjustment?
>
> It's no good. Throw it away & get a Galloway. I hear they're pretty
> good........  ;-)
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Nov 25 01:51:12 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:51:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wheels
Message-ID: <02bd01c5f1a5$c7daf2c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I have just been informed that, despite your previous mail, you HAVE NOT 
EVER sent the wheels you owe me.
I have also been informed that you DO HAVE THEM, and intend to send them 
"SOON"!!
Please dispatch them ASAP AND, EMAIL ME a copy of the postal receipt.
The sooner you do this, the sooner you will have me off your back.
I will never have any further dealings with you when this is over.
As you now know, all this is being shared with the whole of the engine and 
model fraternity.
You surely must realise that the longer this goes on, the more your 
reputation is damaged.
I await some sort of reply from you.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Fri Nov 25 07:16:12 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:16:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5f149$9aa30a10$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051125071518.01bb8cc0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Your right Peter but all must die some day.
R Fink


At 06:51 AM 11/25/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>Not a good time for Turkey's





From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Nov 25 05:49:51 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:49:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] leave
Message-ID: <027601c5f1c7$1c53d850$0301a8c0@Cam>






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov 25 08:37:31 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:37:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Field Engine Gas Valve (#7565421116)
Message-ID: <1132936651.43873dcb0b8ee@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

A nice diamond-opening gas valve on eBay...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

View this Item on eBay at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7565421116

Summary
Hit Miss; Oil Field Gas;Engine Natural Gas Valve 1/2" 
Here is a nice original gas engine natural gas/propane valve. This one is a
small hard to find 1/2" pipe size. It is a good tight valve ready for use. 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 25 09:11:04 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:11:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse Genset
Message-ID: <410-220051152517114562@earthlink.net>

My sisters father-inlaw was just given a 1925 (per a date stamp that he
found) Westinghouse Genset.  It is simliar looking to the common Delco. 
Has the tin covered cylinder and cast finned flywheel.  It is a one
cylinder also.  He has no other info on it as there seems to be a plate
missing that had a tag on it.  Does anyone on the list have one of these
that could send a pic of what it looks like when all there?  The upper
piece of tin for the cylinder is missing and he is not sure how the spark
timer works.  I have a picture of the genset and can email it to any one
that would need a closer look to help get things going.  A copy of a manual
or line diagram would also be helpful.

Tim Christoff






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov 25 10:02:57 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:02:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
In-Reply-To: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1132941777.438751d1cab2f@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

The answer is easy...  Go nuke!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have 
> reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill slide 
> , more water coming out than oil.
> If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We 
> have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy 
> supplies .
> An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a 
> new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being used 
> is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for the 
> use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to 
> export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Nov 25 10:53:27 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:53:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Field Engine Gas Valve (#7565421116)
In-Reply-To: <1132936651.43873dcb0b8ee@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1132936651.43873dcb0b8ee@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43875DA7.3030203@scrtc.com>

Ouch, that babe is going to be $100 or more by the time shipping is 
added.  Lee Pederson had them not long ago for about $35 each.  They had 
the diamond pattern as well and were made by Hayes.  They were new or at 
least NOS.  I bought 4 or 5 and the last time I chatted with Lee he told 
me he couldn't get any more of them.  I guess its like a gallon of gas, 
supply and demand.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi Folks,
>
>A nice diamond-opening gas valve on eBay...
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>View this Item on eBay at 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7565421116
>
>Summary
>Hit Miss; Oil Field Gas;Engine Natural Gas Valve 1/2" 
>Here is a nice original gas engine natural gas/propane valve. This one is a
>small hard to find 1/2" pipe size. It is a good tight valve ready for use. 
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>
>  
>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Nov 25 13:42:24 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:42:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] leave
In-Reply-To: <027601c5f1c7$1c53d850$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051126084200.00bc1598@mail.ncable.com.au>

Where are you going Cam!
Russell

At 12:49 AM 26/11/2005 +1100, you wrote:



>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Nov 25 14:54:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:54:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
References: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1132941777.438751d1cab2f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5f213$2450c260$119c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I am coming around to that  idea Arnie. At the moment I live in a country 
town that gets 75% of its power from a windfarm.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies


> G'day Peter,
>
> The answer is easy...  Go nuke!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have
>> reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill 
>> slide
>> , more water coming out than oil.
>> If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We
>> have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy
>> supplies .
>> An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a
>> new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being 
>> used
>> is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for 
>> the
>> use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to
>> export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From chesnimnus at juno.com  Fri Nov 25 14:56:00 2005
From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:56:00 GMT
Subject: [SEL] LB question, and musing
Message-ID: <20051125.145638.18865.18959@webmail31.lax.untd.com>

Hello,
Some of you may remember that I got a dead International/McCormick LB engine about two months ago.  Although it has most of the parts, it is in rough shape after being left out in the Oregon Upper Willamette Valley rain for the last several decades, and I have taken it apart to check condition.  Bent pushrods, valves that have been ground too many times, rusted out welch plugs, a cylinder head that was filled with rust in the water passages, a frozen throttle valve butterfly, a mixer that has a stuck valve and stripped threads where the needle and the fuel line go, a severely worn-out cam, cam followers with scoring on the face, and a significant ridge on the cylinder make me glad I took it apart.  I think this motor has had a LOT of use over the years.
I am going to send the main cast iron components to Portland Engine Rebuilders to be hot-tanked, run through the shotpeener and cooker, and magged.  Only one thing is left to do before I go: remove the governor linkage.  I cannot figure out how to get the governor rod out of the main hopper/crankcase casting.  This is the thin shaft that has one end inside the crankcase (with a helical spring attached to a lever on the end), and the other end has 4 steel "petals" bent together to engage the square brass shaft in the cylinder head.  How do I get this rod out?
Interesting motor.  I like the way the factory designed the crankshaft so that it has a sort of primitive pressurized oiling system, without a pump.  The crankshaft is the pump, in a sense.  
-Colin Rush


From oldengin at verizon.net  Fri Nov 25 19:36:23 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:36:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
Message-ID: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>

Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will 
be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!
Leroy



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Nov 25 20:19:05 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:19:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
References: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Leroy, so what is it?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA 
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] new Email address


Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will 
be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!
Leroy

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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Nov 25 20:49:23 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:49:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
Message-ID: <20051125.204923.1104.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Good evening Jim.  It is probably:   oldengin at verizon.net  

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:19:05 -0800 "Jim and Diane"
<jd.kirkes at verizon.net> writes:
> Hi Leroy, so what is it?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA 
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:36 PM
> Subject: [SEL] new Email address
> 
> 
> Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one 
> will 
> be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Nov 25 21:07:40 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:07:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
In-Reply-To: <012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>
	<012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <1132981660.4387ed9c44ad0@webmail.city-net.com>

School, books, eat...

Quoting Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>:

> Hi Leroy, so what is it?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
> 
> Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will 
> be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov 26 04:40:01 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:40:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] new Email address
In-Reply-To: <012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
References: <4387D837.50609@verizon.net>
	<012301c5f240$8a2fe2f0$77476e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051126073936.04578da0@mail.alltel.net>

Books, school, eat!
         Dave

At 11:19 PM 11/25/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Leroy, so what is it?
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, CA
>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Leroy" <oldengin at verizon.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:36 PM
>Subject: [SEL] new Email address
>
>
>Please change my addy in your books cause as of the 6th my old one will
>be gone.  This one is DSL and flying low and fast is fun!
>Leroy
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov 26 06:28:51 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:28:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Herc. group
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1084E0E14E346E7D173E2BB560@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;

  Just met a guy from my hometown who's got new style Webster on his Herc. 
How does one join the Herc. group, and does anyone on the list have one? 
What he's looking for is the original trip mechanism.

  Thanks
RickinMt. 


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 25 21:07:38 2005
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:07:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <4.2.0.58.20051124065323.01ba4460@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c5f247$52334a20$e330ecdc@morris>

test    4.04pm


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From nick at holden1.net  Sun Nov 27 01:59:29 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:59:29 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] test
References: <000b01c5f247$52334a20$e330ecdc@morris>
Message-ID: <43898381.000001.35468@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

14.53 got it hear
 
 
Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
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From: Kerry
Date: 11/26/05 14:53:42
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] test
 
test    4.04pm
 
 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Nov 26 07:57:48 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:57:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20051126.110506.948.1.jlb94@juno.com>










Here's something interesting

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.









Forest Oil's corporate logo, the "yellow dog" derrick lantern, provided
the earliest source of light for night drilling. The double-wicked iron
lamps had been hung on the yardarms of whaling ships where, filled with
whale oil and set afire, they provided light for night hunting of the
great sperm whale. With the discovery of crude oil in the country, the
lanterns were adapted to the early drilling rigs, where they illuminated
the first night drilling operations.

The "yellow dog" nickname describes the yellowish shadow resembling a
dog's head cast by these lighted posts at night. The derrick lantern has
from its earliest history symbolized progress and innovation, and was
chosen as Forest Oil's symbol by its founders in 1916. The keystone shape
in the center of the lantern symbolizes the state of Pennsylvania where
oil was first discovered in the United States and where Forest Oil was
founded.

From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov 27 07:56:36 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Yellow Dog
Message-ID: <20051127.105647.948.2.jlb94@juno.com>

For those of you who are wondering what the SEL message that says,
"Here's something interesting" is - 
I sent two paragraphs with a company logo to the SEL but, apparently, it
was too large and rejected.
Still feeling I could share the info, I'm sending this.
-        -        -        -        -        -        -        -

I was looking for "Yellow Dog Derrick Lantern" on Google and found
Forest Oil's site.  I found the info below worth sharing.
-        -        -        -        -        -        -        -        

Forest Oil's corporate logo, the "yellow dog" derrick lantern, provided
the earliest source of light for night drilling. The double-wicked iron
lamps had been hung on the yardarms of whaling ships where, filled with
whale oil and set afire, they provided light for night hunting of the
great sperm whale. With the discovery of crude oil in the country, the
lanterns were adapted to the early drilling rigs, where they illuminated
the first night drilling operations.

The "yellow dog" nickname describes the yellowish shadow resembling a
dog's head cast by these lighted posts at night. The derrick lantern has
from its earliest history symbolized progress and innovation, and was
chosen as Forest Oil's symbol by its founders in 1916. The keystone shape
in the center of the lantern symbolizes the state of Pennsylvania where
oil was first discovered in the United States and where Forest Oil was
founded.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 27 12:07:20 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and bolts 
for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Sun Nov 27 12:54:27 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:54:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c5f394$c296f6b0$baf04c0c@D48VHZ61>

Someone used to advertise in GEM, might trysearching a couple of  back 
issues. I needed some oversize hex nuts for a project and was able to get 
them through MMaster-Carr.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
> bolts
> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 27 14:14:02 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:14:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
In-Reply-To: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F12F136EA4627313F3D11BA95490@phx.gbl>

Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 7545 They 
used to advertise in GEM.  Steve


>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>
>Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and bolts
>for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 15:05:56 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:05:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <20051127230603.908F524E49A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi everyone, I could use some help with the transportation of a 6 HP. Novo
Jug . MR. Dave Rotigel was nice enough to pick it up and store for me. I'm
trying to find a ride for it to northern Ca. or towards the west coast.
Anyone coming out to see the Golden Gate Bridge? It's 25"tallx13" across and
weighs 150 lbs.[+-].Any ideas ? Thanks in advance for your time, Jimmy
O'Hagan   415 892 0236  Ps, Thanks Dave.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 15:11:05 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:11:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Swedish Engines (1 French actually)
Message-ID: <6f6025160511271511n76ce9228i31cdb858b64e9d2@mail.gmail.com>

Kenneth Johansson emailed me over the weekend with these pictures that
he took at a small rally near Stockholm, Sweden, last summer.

I have contact details for Ken in case of any questions.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Overseas/Overseas1.htm

and

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Overseas/Overseas2.htm

There are 3 pictures per page, I didn't bother with thumbnails for the
small quantity involved.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 16:36:56 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:36:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F12F136EA4627313F3D11BA95490@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F12F136EA4627313F3D11BA95490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <438A5128.9010404@scrtc.com>

Curt and Steve,

    Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several 
sizes.  But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me 
they had stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that 
ordered them complained that the price was too high and they got tired 
of listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased 
with the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and 
make them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be 
acquired from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to 
order.  I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on 
Harry's) has them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 
> 7545 They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
>
>
>> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>> Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>>
>> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
>> bolts
>> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>> thankyou in advance,
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 16:52:10 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:52:10 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Aermotor
Message-ID: <20051128005214.2768524E53C@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi, Is there anyone on the list that lives near Huntington Long Island N.Y.
who can pick up an Aermotor for me? The seller Refuses to ship it . There is
a show at Blue MT. Pa. He says that he could deliver to there. Anybody going
to that show? Thanks for any help! Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 17:15:13 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:15:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <27c.9278c2.30bbb421@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/27/2005 3:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jdohagan at comcast.net writes:


> Anyone coming out to see the Golden Gate Bridge? It's 25"tallx13" across 
> and
> weighs 150 lbs.[+-].Any ideas ? Thanks in advance 

Now, I've seen that bridge.....I'm pretty sure it's bigger than that!   <grin>


Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 17:16:34 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:16:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <297.59271b.30bbb472@aol.com>

Hi List,
I cranked in "2H Nuts" into Google and this is one of the item that  came up. 
 
<_ASTM A194 Heavy Hex Nuts,A194  Nuts,2H Nuts,A194 2H Nuts,Gr.8 Nuts,A194 
Gr.8 Nuts,Gr.8M Nuts,A194 Gr.8M  Nuts,Gr.4 Nuts,Gr.7 Nu.._ 
(http://www.goasf.com/SpecShts/2NutsStk.html) >  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From cjclem at sysim.net  Sun Nov 27 17:30:11 2005
From: cjclem at sysim.net (John)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:30:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bolts & Fasteners
Message-ID: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>

 Fastenal Corp may have what you need & may have store nearby. 
http://www.fastenal.com/web/home.ex




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 27 17:43:37 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:43:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <297.59271b.30bbb472@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV22486F0C17BC0464BF0FCFBB480@phx.gbl>

speaking of nutz..anyone got a pair of 1/2x12 castellated?.  Lots of 1/2x12 
on this New Way.


Thanks
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Hi List,
> I cranked in "2H Nuts" into Google and this is one of the item that  came 
> up.
>
> <_ASTM A194 Heavy Hex Nuts,A194  Nuts,2H Nuts,A194 2H Nuts,Gr.8 Nuts,A194
> Gr.8 Nuts,Gr.8M Nuts,A194 Gr.8M  Nuts,Gr.4 Nuts,Gr.7 Nu.._
> (http://www.goasf.com/SpecShts/2NutsStk.html) >
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 18:04:05 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:04:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bolts & Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>
References: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>
Message-ID: <438A6595.8000701@scrtc.com>

John,
   
I've got a local Fastenal store near me.  They can get the heavy nuts 
but not the high crown bolts.  I don't know of any place you can find 
them unless its someone like Cook Enterprises who used to make them.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Fastenal Corp may have what you need & may have store nearby. 
>http://www.fastenal.com/web/home.ex
>
>
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From gibsongus at myway.com  Sun Nov 27 22:06:13 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:06:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300 lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27, WinkAndGinger at aol.com &lt; WinkAndGinger at aol.com &gt; wrote:
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:15:13 ESTSubject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinderIn a message dated 11/27/2005 3:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, jdohagan at comcast.net writes:&gt; Anyone coming out to see the Golden Gate Bridge? It's 25"tallx13" across &gt; and&gt; weighs 150 lbs.[+-].Any ideas ? Thanks in advance Now, I've seen that bridge.....I'm pretty sure it's bigger than that! Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&amp;a=30951078&amp;pw=_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 23:30:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:30:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bolts & Fasteners
In-Reply-To: <438A6595.8000701@scrtc.com>
References: <1133141411.438a5da311193@webmail.sysim.net>
	<438A6595.8000701@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160511272330w115b5367i5b78b0b7e25e2759@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/05, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> I've got a local Fastenal store near me.  They can get the heavy nuts
> but not the high crown bolts.  I don't know of any place you can find
> them unless its someone like Cook Enterprises who used to make them.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>

We have a small stock of hex mild steel in the Whitworth A/F sizes,
acquired from various places over the years so we can always make some
up when they finally stop becoming available.

It was still available commercially a couple of years ago, and we
still have small companies producing these fittings for the
restoration hobby, but it will eventually peter out over here as well,
at which time we will start making our own.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 28 02:25:04 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:25:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tommy for telling about the proper name for the big nuts (2H).  Knew 
there was a name for em but couldn't remember.  So what kind of big bucks did 
you have to pay for like a 3/8" thread size????
Curt Andree


> Curt and Steve,
> 
>     Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several 
> sizes.  But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me 
> they had stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that 
> ordered them complained that the price was too high and they got tired 
> of listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased 
> with the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and 
> make them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be 
> acquired from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to 
> order.  I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on 
> Harry's) has them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> > Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 
> > 7545 They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
> >
> >
> >> From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >> Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
> >> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
> >> Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
> >> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
> >>
> >> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
> >> bolts
> >> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> >> thankyou in advance,
> >> Curt Andree
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 28 02:33:03 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:33:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <112820051033.23755.438ADCDF0008DECF00005CCB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Steve, will give them a call too.
Curt


> Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 7545 They 
> used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
> 
> 
> >From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
> >Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
> >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
> >
> >Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and bolts
> >for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Nov 28 04:09:02 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 7:09:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
Message-ID: <4ck04t$1n9dm3f@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net>


Check a Model A restorers catalog, they have limited sizes but are reasonably priced.
J.B. Castagnos


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Nov 28 07:06:48 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:06:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV2166343D27CDC803FE53E1BB480@phx.gbl>

  Howdy all;

  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of whack 
and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat looking fragile 
part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the blade is 
riveted to.

Pix at:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP

Thanks gang
RickinsnowyMt. 


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 28 09:58:04 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:58:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>

At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300 
> lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,

I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on it. 
(Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be 
getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser had a 
good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's Novo 
cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
         Dave



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Mon Nov 28 12:39:31 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:39:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112720052007.9361.438A11F80005D1240000249121979128020A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <005301c5f45b$d83ced40$11a7123f@oemcomputer>

Curt,

How many and what size bolts do you need?  I have a box of those kind of
things that I have saved over the years.  I also have a lot of hex stock
that I can make most sizes.  I could make half a dozen or less but don't
want any bigger job.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian
----- Original Message -----
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "SEL Lists" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and
bolts
> for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
> thankyou in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 28 13:04:39 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:04:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
In-Reply-To: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <438B70E7.3020701@scrtc.com>

Curt,

    The 3/8 heavy nuts are pretty cheap.  A box of 50 cost about $6 
(without shipping) from McMaster Carr.  The bolts were different prices 
depending on the length.  A 3/8 x 2 high crown bolt would probably cost 
about $2.00 to $2.50.  Can't get 'em any more though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>Thanks Tommy for telling about the proper name for the big nuts (2H).  Knew 
>there was a name for em but couldn't remember.  So what kind of big bucks did 
>you have to pay for like a 3/8" thread size????
>Curt Andree
>
>
>  
>
>>Curt and Steve,
>>
>>    Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several 
>>sizes.  But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me 
>>they had stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that 
>>ordered them complained that the price was too high and they got tired 
>>of listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased 
>>with the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and 
>>make them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be 
>>acquired from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to 
>>order.  I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on 
>>Harry's) has them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 
>>>7545 They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>>>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>>>>Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>>>>
>>>>Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
>>>>bolts
>>>>for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>>>>thankyou in advance,
>>>>Curt Andree
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
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>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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>  
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 28 13:30:55 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:30:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
springs?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
> >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
> > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
>
> I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on it.
> (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
> getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser had a
> good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's Novo
> cylinder weighs 128 lbs!



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 28 14:38:38 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:38:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<438B70E7.3020701@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c5f46c$7de9d950$4a9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Try China!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Curt,
>
>    The 3/8 heavy nuts are pretty cheap.  A box of 50 cost about $6 
> (without shipping) from McMaster Carr.  The bolts were different prices 
> depending on the length.  A 3/8 x 2 high crown bolt would probably cost 
> about $2.00 to $2.50.  Can't get 'em any more though.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>>Thanks Tommy for telling about the proper name for the big nuts (2H). 
>>Knew there was a name for em but couldn't remember.  So what kind of big 
>>bucks did you have to pay for like a 3/8" thread size????
>>Curt Andree
>>
>>
>>
>>>Curt and Steve,
>>>
>>>    Cook Enterprises used to make the high crown bolts in several sizes. 
>>> But, I contacted them about 3 months or so ago and they told me they had 
>>> stopped.  The lady I chatted with stated that most people that ordered 
>>> them complained that the price was too high and they got tired of 
>>> listening to it.  I ordered several from them and was very pleased with 
>>> the quality.  They were expensive but I couldn't sit at a lathe and make 
>>> them for what they charged for them.  The heavy nuts can be acquired 
>>> from McMaster Carr.  You have minimum quanties that you have to order. 
>>> I think that Hit and Miss Enterprises (they advertise on Harry's) has 
>>> them in any quantity you desire.  They are called "2H" nuts.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Curt, I have used Cook Enterprises in Erlanger Ky.     Ph. 859 282 7545 
>>>>They used to advertise in GEM.  Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: cgandree at mchsi.com
>>>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list 
>>>>><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists)
>>>>>Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
>>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:07:20 +0000
>>>>>
>>>>>Some where I saw an ad that they were remaking the old style nuts and 
>>>>>bolts
>>>>>for our engines.  Need a few for completing my Sandwich engine
>>>>>thankyou in advance,
>>>>>Curt Andree
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Nov 28 14:40:57 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:40:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aermotor
References: <20051128005214.2768524E53C@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <003301c5f46c$d04cb320$4a9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Lucky man Jim. Just heard from a friend who has found an Aermotor ,the 8 
stroke . It was serving as a garden ornament.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Aermotor


> Hi, Is there anyone on the list that lives near Huntington Long Island 
> N.Y.
> who can pick up an Aermotor for me? The seller Refuses to ship it . There 
> is
> a show at Blue MT. Pa. He says that he could deliver to there. Anybody 
> going
> to that show? Thanks for any help! Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 28 13:55:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:55:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>

The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!
By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I only 
wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!
         Dave

At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
>springs?  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> > At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
> > > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
> >
> > I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on it.
> > (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
> > getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser had a
> > good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's Novo
> > cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Nov 28 17:33:24 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:33:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net><Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinder


> The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!
> By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I 
> only wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!
>         Dave
>
> At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
>>springs?  8-))
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>
>> > At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>> > >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
>> > > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
>> >
>> > I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder on 
>> > it.
>> > (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
>> > getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John Fankhauser 
>> > had a
>> > good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that Jim's 
>> > Novo
>> > cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Nov 28 18:15:40 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:15:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net><Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <a5e403078cd034186611c89dea29ac33@chartertn.net>

I carry my Johnson slung over my shoulder. Y'all have seen me playing 
with it under my tent at Portland. I usually make an awful racket when 
I do that.

John

On Nov 28, 2005, at 8:33 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 28 20:03:57 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:03:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
In-Reply-To: <016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <20051128060613.DCFC923403@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128125321.0cfc3720@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511281629550.83859@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051128165210.0d0418d0@mail.alltel.net>
	<016b01c5f484$e66905b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051128230336.0cf0c0b8@mail.alltel.net>

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave

At 08:33 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!
>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinder
>
>
>>The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!
>>By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I 
>>only wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!
>>         Dave
>>
>>At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>
>>>So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the buggered
>>>springs?  8-))
>>>
>>>See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>>
>>> > At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
>>> > >  I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300
>>> > > lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,
>>> >
>>> > I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder 
>>> on > it.
>>> > (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be
>>> > getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John 
>>> Fankhauser > had a
>>> > good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that 
>>> Jim's > Novo
>>> > cylinder weighs 128 lbs!
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>
>
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From linstrum55 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 12:09:53 2005
From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:09:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy
Message-ID: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, guys, 

I am on a quest for finding some aluminum bar stock. I am helping a
friend with rebuilding a small 1943-vintage stationary engine that
needs new pistons. The specially designed aluminum alloy used for
making machined pistons (as opposed to cast or forged aluminum pistons)
is type 2618 aluminum alloy. So far, after doing several pretty
exhaustive Internet searches, I haven?t had any luck at all in finding
a place that sells 2618 bar stock. I used Googol, Lycos, and Dogpile
search engines. I found probably two dozen places listed under ?2618
aluminum alloy? that sell custom made 2618 aluminum alloy pistons, but
I didn?t find a single one that sells just plain round bar stock.
The little stationary engine is pretty interesting and could even be
described as cute. Its manufacturer is unidentified but it appears to
be a Continental because it has the same parts layout and consequently
looks like one. It was used for running a small World War Two era
30-volt DC generator (marked General Electric December 1943), probably
used for powering a large military radio transmitter or as an aircraft
battery charger/power supply for powering up a bomber?s electrical
system while parked. The engine is a four-cylinder flat head design
with a bore and stroke of 2-inches by 2-inches. The engine is in good
shape but I had to sleeve the cylinders to repair a botched bore job
that ran into the water jacket. When a previous mechanic tried
rebuilding it he could not get pistons small enough that had the right
size wrist pins and had it bored out to accept larger pistons from a
Briggs and Stratton engine or some such thing and ended up ruining it.
If I can find where to get the 2618 aluminum alloy I can make the
pistons no problem. 

Work and play safely,

Richard Allen





From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 28 21:50:14 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:50:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
Message-ID: <438BEC16.1060603@scrtc.com>

I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high 
crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this like and you'll find a lot of neat 
stuff that we can use on the old iron:

www.restorationstuff.com

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From gibsongus at myway.com  Mon Nov 28 22:12:53 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:12:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Novo cylinder
Message-ID: <20051129061253.35F6423409@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Dave my friend ,Wink and I were joking with you we though you were refering to the Golden Gate Bridge&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 11/28, Dave Rotigel &lt; rotigel at alltel.net &gt; wrote:
From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:03:57 -0500Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinderROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DaveAt 08:33 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:&gt;Stop boasting. It takes me both hands to lift mine UP!!&gt;Reg &amp; Marg Ingold.&gt;Newcastle, NSW, Australia.&gt;randmingold at hotkey.net.au&gt;http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold&gt;&gt;----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" &gt;To: "The SEL email discussion list" &gt;Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM&gt;Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo cylinder&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The scale is 100% A-OK!. The cylinder weighs 128 lbs.!&gt;&gt;By the way, I can push "IT" down all the way now with only one hand. I &gt;&gt;only wonder how much stronger I'll get before I die!&gt;&gt; Dave&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;At 04:30 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote:&gt;&gt;&gt;Hi Dave,&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So is that Jennie's "Ego Bathroom Scale"; the one with the 
buggered&gt;&gt;&gt;springs? 8-))&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;See ya, Arnie&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; At 01:06 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I don't know for sure but I think it weights at least 300&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; lbs.-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 11/27,&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I just took a bathroom scale down to the barn and set the cylinder &gt;&gt;&gt; on &gt; it.&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; (Did that by myself, by the way!) I thought, at first, that I must be&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; getting stronger and stronger with each passing year (John &gt;&gt;&gt; Fankhauser &gt; had a&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; good joke about that) but upon looking at the scale I found that &gt;&gt;&gt; Jim's &gt; Novo&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; cylinder weighs 128 lbs!&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;_______________________________________________&gt;&gt;&gt;SEL mailing 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 28 23:38:12 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:38:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
Message-ID: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

>From the old engine list:


-----Original Message-----


I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about John
Hammink's death.

I got an email from Harry Terpstra this afternoon and just read it a 
few minutes
ago since I was gone all day.

Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in 
a simple
operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.

The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.

It has been a bad year in Holland for the engine collectors.  First 
Harry's dad
passed away, and now John.

I'm glad to say I had the priviledge of meeting both of them in Holland 
and was
able to visit with them and had some good times with them.

They both will be missed.

George


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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Tue Nov 29 03:36:15 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:36:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy
In-Reply-To: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438C3D2F.90709@wightman.ca>

Hi Richard,

Go to
http://www.matweb.com
Type 2618 in the search box in the top right corner and it will take you 
to the data sheets and you can find suppliers from there usually.
I got these guys for your 2618
Global Metal Sales and Marketing 
<http://www.matweb.com/clickthrough.asp?addataid=292> Virtually any type 
of metal in virtually any form. Phone (661) 299-2322, Fax (661) 299-4684 
or e-mail mdome at sbcglobal.net
This site is great. Used it extensively when I was a cost estimator in 
automotive.

Duncan


Richard Allen wrote:

>Hi, guys, 
>
>I am on a quest for finding some aluminum bar stock. I am helping a
>friend with rebuilding a small 1943-vintage stationary engine that
>needs new pistons. The specially designed aluminum alloy used for
>making machined pistons (as opposed to cast or forged aluminum pistons)
>is type 2618 aluminum alloy. So far, after doing several pretty
>exhaustive Internet searches, I haven?t had any luck at all in finding
>a place that sells 2618 bar stock. I used Googol, Lycos, and Dogpile
>search engines. I found probably two dozen places listed under ?2618
>aluminum alloy? that sell custom made 2618 aluminum alloy pistons, but
>I didn?t find a single one that sells just plain round bar stock.
>The little stationary engine is pretty interesting and could even be
>described as cute. Its manufacturer is unidentified but it appears to
>be a Continental because it has the same parts layout and consequently
>looks like one. It was used for running a small World War Two era
>30-volt DC generator (marked General Electric December 1943), probably
>used for powering a large military radio transmitter or as an aircraft
>battery charger/power supply for powering up a bomber?s electrical
>system while parked. The engine is a four-cylinder flat head design
>with a bore and stroke of 2-inches by 2-inches. The engine is in good
>shape but I had to sleeve the cylinders to repair a botched bore job
>that ran into the water jacket. When a previous mechanic tried
>rebuilding it he could not get pistons small enough that had the right
>size wrist pins and had it bored out to accept larger pistons from a
>Briggs and Stratton engine or some such thing and ended up ruining it.
>If I can find where to get the 2618 aluminum alloy I can make the
>pistons no problem. 
>
>Work and play safely,
>
>Richard Allen
>
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Nov 29 02:45:49 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:45:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
Message-ID: <112920051045.4602.438C315D0008B907000011FA21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Thanks Tommy will give the site a try.
Curt Andree


> I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high 
> crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this like and you'll find a lot of neat 
> stuff that we can use on the old iron:
> 
> www.restorationstuff.com
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Nov 29 02:58:24 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:58:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy
References: <20051128200953.36165.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c5f4d3$d25611e0$a2416e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Richard,

Would it be possible to find some pistons that are about right and 
re-machine them to suit?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allen" <linstrum55 at yahoo.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] I need source to buy some 2618 aluminum piston alloy


Hi, guys,

I am on a quest for finding some aluminum bar stock. I am helping a
friend with rebuilding a small 1943-vintage stationary engine that
needs new pistons. The specially designed aluminum alloy used for
making machined pistons (as opposed to cast or forged aluminum pistons)
is type 2618 aluminum alloy. So far, after doing several pretty
exhaustive Internet searches, I haven't had any luck at all in finding
a place that sells 2618 bar stock. I used Googol, Lycos, and Dogpile
search engines. I found probably two dozen places listed under "2618
aluminum alloy" that sell custom made 2618 aluminum alloy pistons, but
I didn't find a single one that sells just plain round bar stock.
The little stationary engine is pretty interesting and could even be
described as cute. Its manufacturer is unidentified but it appears to
be a Continental because it has the same parts layout and consequently
looks like one. It was used for running a small World War Two era
30-volt DC generator (marked General Electric December 1943), probably
used for powering a large military radio transmitter or as an aircraft
battery charger/power supply for powering up a bomber's electrical
system while parked. The engine is a four-cylinder flat head design
with a bore and stroke of 2-inches by 2-inches. The engine is in good
shape but I had to sleeve the cylinders to repair a botched bore job
that ran into the water jacket. When a previous mechanic tried
rebuilding it he could not get pistons small enough that had the right
size wrist pins and had it bored out to accept larger pistons from a
Briggs and Stratton engine or some such thing and ended up ruining it.
If I can find where to get the 2618 aluminum alloy I can make the
pistons no problem.

Work and play safely,

Richard Allen



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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Nov 29 03:29:43 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:29:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
References: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <002d01c5f4d8$33406a60$9985dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanks for letting us know.He will be missed for sure.I wish his family well
in there time of sorrow.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:38
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink


> >From the old engine list:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about
John
> Hammink's death.
>
> I got an email from Harry Terpstra this afternoon and just read it a
> few minutes
> ago since I was gone all day.
>
> Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in
> a simple
> operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.
>
> The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.
>
> It has been a bad year in Holland for the engine collectors.  First
> Harry's dad
> passed away, and now John.
>
> I'm glad to say I had the priviledge of meeting both of them in Holland
> and was
> able to visit with them and had some good times with them.
>
> They both will be missed.
>
> George
>
>
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 03:56:44 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:56:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <438C41FC.5020208@insulate.co.uk>

I don't think Harry is on either of the lists these days.
I've emailed Harry to ask where to send flowers - hopefully we can sort 
out a List tribute.
As George said, John was a great guy; we met him and Ria several times 
in the USA and UK.  Seemed like they were making the most of retirement, 
so it really is tragic to have had that time cut so short.
I'll let you all know if I hear back from Harry.

Dolly


>
>Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in 
>a simple
>operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.
>
>The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.
>
>  
>
-- 

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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Nov 29 04:03:00 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:03:00 +0800
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
References: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
	<002d01c5f4d8$33406a60$9985dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <001101c5f4dc$dc5fde60$a29e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I only knew John through the list ...he was a wealth of knowledge on IHC and 
the off list mail he sent me was so welcome. We will miss you John.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: John Hammink


> Thanks for letting us know.He will be missed for sure.I wish his family 
> well
> in there time of sorrow.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:38
> Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
>
>
>> >From the old engine list:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about
> John
>> Hammink's death.
>>
>> I got an email from Harry Terpstra this afternoon and just read it a
>> few minutes
>> ago since I was gone all day.
>>
>> Ria called Harry and said that John died this morning.  He had gone in
>> a simple
>> operation, and there were complications and John didn't make it.
>>
>> The engine hobby just lost a really great guy.
>>
>> It has been a bad year in Holland for the engine collectors.  First
>> Harry's dad
>> passed away, and now John.
>>
>> I'm glad to say I had the priviledge of meeting both of them in Holland
>> and was
>> able to visit with them and had some good times with them.
>>
>> They both will be missed.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
>>
>> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
>> with:
>> unsubscribe
>> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc.
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 05:00:05 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:00:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
Message-ID: <238.282b9e6.30bdaad5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/29/2005 2:54:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< I'm a bit surprised that this engine list hasn't posted anything about John
 Hammink's deat >>


I only knew John thru this engine list, web sites, show photos, etc., but 
felt that I had personally visited with him many times.  He and I conversed off 
line occasionally about the love for IHC engines and other stuff over the 
years.  His wealth of knowledge and hard copy of IHC information will surely be 
missed.  My best wishes to his family!  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Nov 29 07:39:45 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:39:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] "SixM John"
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl>


Sad day indeed.  I've created an album with a few pictures of John and Ria. 
If you have any to share, I'd be glad to post them.  And please correct any 
mistakes I may have made.

My album of "The Hammink's" at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/514114362mTSrnn

John's website and other pictures:


http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/index.htm

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4059020&f=0 


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 07:48:00 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:48:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
In-Reply-To: <001101c5f14a$e345e610$d49e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

To the SEL folks-
  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my  doorstep.  Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
  I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
  I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a conversation.
  Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
  Thanks so much.
  JM

peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:  It is estimated that in three years time the worlds oil supples will have 
reached ''Peak Supply'' . This means that we will be on the down hill slide 
, more water coming out than oil.
If this is correct the ramifications are too terrible to contemplate. We 
have waited too long to start getting serious about alternative energy 
supplies .
An example of stupidity ..........here in my state of Western Australia a 
new base load power station has been brought on line , the fuel being used 
is distillate . That is because the planning did not make provision for the 
use of natural gas of which we have so much that it is more important to 
export it to bloody Japan than to use it ourselves.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 


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From segray at mlode.com  Tue Nov 29 08:53:30 2005
From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:53:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: "Introductions" revisited? New webmaster
Message-ID: <438C878A.8040804@mlode.com>

Mornin' Peter -



  Is this the Introductions site that Dave Croft used to maintain? If 
so, per Dave's request here a while back, I volunteered to take it on 
and put it up as a side page to my site. It's still pretty much in it's 
out of date form, but can be gotten to at 
http://www.oldengineshed.com/intros.html. Between holiday chores and the 
like, I will update it ASAP, so anybody who wants ANY kind of changes 
made, just give me a holler.

  I'm still stunned about the news of John. My sincere condolences to 
Ria and the family.



- Steve

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Sonora, California USA
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 09:34:37 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:34:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291231090.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
gas?  On a cart or skids?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> To the SEL folks-
>   Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my  doorstep.  Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a conversation.
>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 10:21:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:21:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291231090.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been communicated previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is missing.  The flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly complete and is still partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The metal is all solid and I don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane had posted some pix of it a  few weeks back.
  I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I have.
  Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,

We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
gas?  On a cart or skids?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> To the SEL folks-
>  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my  doorstep. Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a conversation.
>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 10:52:30 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:52:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <238.282b9e6.30bdaad5@aol.com>
References: <238.282b9e6.30bdaad5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438CA36E.4060106@insulate.co.uk>

I've just spoken to John's wife, Ria, and their daughter Simonna.  They 
are obviously a close and loving family who will help each other through 
this difficult time.
They have been reading John's email, and have been very touched by the 
messages which have been posted.
I will be sending flowers for the funeral on Friday, so if you want to 
join in, please contact me OFF LIST by emailing helen at insulate.co.uk

Thanks,
Dolly


-- 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 10:48:46 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:48:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291345430.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

I'd guess $250 to $550 depending on what bits are missing that make it
"mostly complete" and how close it is to being a runner.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been
> communicated previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is
> missing.  The flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly
> complete and is still partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The
> metal is all solid and I don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane
> had posted some pix of it a  few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?


From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Tue Nov 29 11:04:36 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:04:36 +0100
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>

I just subscribed back to both the old-engine list and the SEL after a busy 
time.
I'm very sorry the circumstances are so bad though.

John really was a great friend of mine and we (John & Ria) and my dad and I 
usually setup together at the shows.
We always had a GREAT time talking engine's and of course talking about all 
the people we knew from both engine lists.
John also knew much about engines and had many solutions for some problems 
we have restoring our old engines.

After my dad passed away this summer I was so greatfull that at the show 
there were John & Ria and it is a great feeling to know that some people 
always will be your friend.
They were also friends with my wife (who just arrived from Indonesia) and 
gave her the feeling she was their friend too.
Needles to say I have a difficult time again now. And yesterday I had tears 
in my eyes as I feel I lost a VERY good friend!

Harry Terpstra
Netherlands



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Nov 29 11:14:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:14:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291231090.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20051129182101.29366.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2392.165.206.180.102.1133291660.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Wico makes it a "later M" than a lot of them does it not?

Mine is an "old one" with the understrike ignitor, rotary mag and
dual-fuel mixer.

(yes, Dave - they are all old, and so are we. I'd probably not have them
if they were not old)

It's worth whatever the buyer and seller agree it's worth.

Bill

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been communicated
> previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is missing.  The
> flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly complete and is still
> partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The metal is all solid and I
> don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane had posted some pix of it a
> few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I
> have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:
>
>> To the SEL folks-
>>  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my
>>  doorstep. Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing
>> and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a
>> conversation.
>>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
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From oldironnut at alltel.net  Tue Nov 29 11:29:01 2005
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:29:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl>
	<007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>
Message-ID: <p06210201bfb25be9470b@[128.163.81.76]>

It is very sad to hear the news of John and my thoughts go out to Ria 
and his family.  He was very helpful with my questions about my 
Famous as he was with with anyones engine questions.  The engine 
community lost an obviously nice guy and a tremendous volume of 
willing information.

Take care,
Mike
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____________________
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 12:16:47 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <2392.165.206.180.102.1133291660.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20051129201648.77116.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Is that to say that the Wico would have been  original or is it possible that it was a re-fit later on?  Again,  I know next to nothing about these things other than I have one and it  is heavy and in the way :-)
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  Wico makes it a "later M" than a lot of them does it not?

Mine is an "old one" with the understrike ignitor, rotary mag and
dual-fuel mixer.

(yes, Dave - they are all old, and so are we. I'd probably not have them
if they were not old)

It's worth whatever the buyer and seller agree it's worth.

Bill

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been communicated
> previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is missing.  The
> flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly complete and is still
> partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The metal is all solid and I
> don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane had posted some pix of it a
> few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I
> have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero  wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:
>
>> To the SEL folks-
>>  Some of you have become aware of the IH "M" engine that turned up on my
>>  doorstep. Pix were made available by Mike Sloane, etc.
>>   I have encountered a fellow who is interested in buying this thing
>> and/or the M/D 10-20 or (perhaps) doing a trade thing.
>>   I have no idea as to valuations, so I am poorly armed for such a
>> conversation.
>>   Can any of you shoot back some guidelines and/or advice?
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 12:23:59 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:23:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: IHC "M" Value
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291345430.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051129202400.57706.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

Lacking the skills and experience that you and  your cronies have, the tool I would most need to make it running  correctly would be a time machine!
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi James,

I'd guess $250 to $550 depending on what bits are missing that make it
"mostly complete" and how close it is to being a runner.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, James Moran wrote:

> Sorry...I thought most of the (lack) of  information had been
> communicated previously.  I don't know much  about it, and the "tag" is
> missing.  The flywheels are 18"  diameter.  It appears to mostly
> complete and is still partially on  its skids. The mag is a WICO.  The
> metal is all solid and I don't  know which fuel it used.  Mike Sloane
> had posted some pix of it a  few weeks back.
>   I fully realize this is not much to go on, but it is about all that I have.
>   Thanks for responding and being willing to help.
>   JM
>
> Arnie Fero  wrote:  Hi James,
>
> We need to know more about that IHC "M" to give you a clue as to value.
> What is the condition; is it a running engine?  Is it complete?  What HP?
> What age?  HT ignition or ignitor (understrike or overstrike)?  Kero or
> gas?  On a cart or skids?
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From oiseming at moscow.com  Tue Nov 29 14:08:31 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:08:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FW: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <438CA36E.4060106@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200511292208.jATM8f3O024563@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Ria and Simonna, we share your sadness.   John was widely respected and
admired in the old iron community.  Although I never got to meet John face
to face, I regarded him as a friend.  His posts were always informative and
respectful.  His meticulous craftsmanship is much to be admired.  His
restorations are amongst the best.  John was a good man.  

You will find more tributes to John at this Web site.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26524

If that thread does not come up, go here:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Best regards,

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] FW: John Hammink

I've just spoken to John's wife, Ria, and their daughter Simonna.  They 
are obviously a close and loving family who will help each other through 
this difficult time.
They have been reading John's email, and have been very touched by the 
messages which have been posted.
I will be sending flowers for the funeral on Friday, so if you want to 
join in, please contact me OFF LIST by emailing helen at insulate.co.uk

Thanks,
Dolly


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 14:27:04 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:27:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
In-Reply-To: <438BEC16.1060603@scrtc.com>
References: <438BEC16.1060603@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291720110.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

That's a really neat color catalog you can download from their web site.
Thanks!

In addition to the high head bolts, they also have heavy and heavy-wide
hex nuts.

I've emailed 'em to see if you can special-order the high head bolts in
lengths other than what they list.  I've also asked if they can do some of
the old thread pitches; like 1/2-12.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high
> crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this link and you'll find a lot of neat
> stuff that we can use on the old iron:
>
> www.restorationstuff.com



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 15:19:57 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:19:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] High Head Bolts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291720110.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051129231957.15316.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

Gentlemen (and Ladies, BTW)-
  I have been reading (deleting, really) all the streams on "old nuts and  bolts".  You know...this farm thing that has fallen into my lap  has TONS of old s**t strewn about.  Is it possible that I have  this stuff that you guys (gals) could make use of (dangled participle,  dammit).
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Tommy,

That's a really neat color catalog you can download from their web site.
Thanks!

In addition to the high head bolts, they also have heavy and heavy-wide
hex nuts.

I've emailed 'em to see if you can special-order the high head bolts in
lengths other than what they list.  I've also asked if they can do some of
the old thread pitches; like 1/2-12.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> I had a friend send me a listing for a company that might have the high
> crown bolts and nuts.  Go to this link and you'll find a lot of neat
> stuff that we can use on the old iron:
>
> www.restorationstuff.com

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 29 15:28:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:28:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <200511292302.jATN2srI021690@web129.megawebservers.com>
References: <200511292302.jATN2srI021690@web129.megawebservers.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291820100.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Great news!!

I just had a quick reply from the folks at Restoration Supply Company.

The quick bottom line is, yes, they will do sizes & threads other than
what is listed in their catalog.  Contact 'em with the details of what
you need for specifics.

If you haven't downloaded their catalog yet, visit the website and do so.
Pretty neat stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Restoration Supply Company wrote:

> Mr Fero
>
> Thanks for the kind words, how did you hear about us?
>
> Concerning your bolts, we can get whatever you want, but it all comes down
> to the specifics.
>
> Give me your dream sheet of how many of what sizes, lead time you want,
> hardened or not?  I will say it is very costly for rolled threads now so most
> we do are cut but either way.  Black oxide or plain steel finish?
>
> And the nuts are the same boat, how many of what sizes.  It will also help if
> you let me know what these are for, we will be able to get a better idea of
> what you need.
>
> Let me know
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony Teravainen
> Restoration Supply Company
> Toll free (800) 306-7008
> Phone     (760) 741-4014
> Fax       (760) 739-8843
> Web       www.RestorationStuff.com
> Email     info at restorationstuff.com



From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 16:36:10 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:36:10 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
Message-ID: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>

Hi All,
Look on page 35 of this catalog.....they have......Kwik Poly!!  If you don't 
know what it it, it is the miracle drug for rusty/leaking gas tanks plus much 
more.
Thanks Tommy, for telling us about this company.
Address at bottom.
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri USA


In a message dated 11/29/2005 5:55:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:
<SNIP>
If you haven't downloaded their catalog yet, visit the website and do so.
Pretty neat stuff.

See ya,  Arnie
<SNIP>>
> Tony Teravainen
> Restoration Supply Company
> Toll free (800) 306-7008
> Phone     (760) 741-4014
> Fax       (760) 739-8843
> Web       www.RestorationStuff.com
> Email     info at restorationstuff.com


From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 29 16:37:10 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:37:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl><007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>
	<p06210201bfb25be9470b@[128.163.81.76]>
Message-ID: <00db01c5f546$33e41a70$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>

John helped me quite a bit over the net concerning my 2 Famous engines. We 
have definetly lost a wealth of knowledge as well as a heck of a nice person 
to correspond with.

John Hall





From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 29 16:50:05 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:50:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed
References: <112820051025.21613.438ADAFF000B257A0000546D21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><438B70E7.3020701@scrtc.com>
	<002d01c5f46c$7de9d950$4a9981cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <00f601c5f548$01bbc320$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>

I think some of the oversize nuts I just got from McMaster were from China, 
unfortunately.

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Old style nuts and bolts needed


> Try China!
> 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 29 17:15:49 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:15:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>
References: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438CFD45.2050702@scrtc.com>

Ron,
   
My friend John Billing gave me the link.  Thanks to him for knowing 
where to find some of these goodies.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi All,
>Look on page 35 of this catalog.....they have......Kwik Poly!!  If you don't 
>know what it it, it is the miracle drug for rusty/leaking gas tanks plus much 
>more.
>Thanks Tommy, for telling us about this company.
>Address at bottom.
>Ron Carroll
>Clearmont, Missouri USA
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 29 17:25:22 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:25:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291820100.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <200511292302.jATN2srI021690@web129.megawebservers.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0511291820100.6539@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051129202417.0ca5f790@mail.alltel.net>

Pretty EXPENSIVE Good News. They also have their square nuts pictured 
upside down!
         Dave

At 06:28 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Great news!!
>
>I just had a quick reply from the folks at Restoration Supply Company.
>
>The quick bottom line is, yes, they will do sizes & threads other than
>what is listed in their catalog.  Contact 'em with the details of what
>you need for specifics.
>
>If you haven't downloaded their catalog yet, visit the website and do so.
>Pretty neat stuff.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Restoration Supply Company wrote:
>
> > Mr Fero
> >
> > Thanks for the kind words, how did you hear about us?
> >
> > Concerning your bolts, we can get whatever you want, but it all comes down
> > to the specifics.
> >
> > Give me your dream sheet of how many of what sizes, lead time you want,
> > hardened or not?  I will say it is very costly for rolled threads now 
> so most
> > we do are cut but either way.  Black oxide or plain steel finish?
> >
> > And the nuts are the same boat, how many of what sizes.  It will also 
> help if
> > you let me know what these are for, we will be able to get a better idea of
> > what you need.
> >
> > Let me know
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony Teravainen
> > Restoration Supply Company
> > Toll free (800) 306-7008
> > Phone     (760) 741-4014
> > Fax       (760) 739-8843
> > Web       www.RestorationStuff.com
> > Email     info at restorationstuff.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 29 17:45:17 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:45:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <00db01c5f546$33e41a70$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <BAY109-DAV63ABCA3BA89EB9F0ACE49BB4B0@phx.gbl><007401c5f517$bdcd79e0$3775833e@amd>	<p06210201bfb25be9470b@[128.163.81.76]>
	<00db01c5f546$33e41a70$cae94c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <438D042D.8080208@scrtc.com>



I agree.  John visited my place about 3 years ago and we had a very 
enjoyable time.  Our prayers are with Rita and the Hammink family.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> John helped me quite a bit over the net concerning my 2 Famous 
> engines. We have definetly lost a wealth of knowledge as well as a 
> heck of a nice person to correspond with.
>
> John Hall
>
>
>
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>
>




From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Nov 29 20:08:08 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:08:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RE:  John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <200511292208.jATM8f3O024563@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>

Bill still tells the story of how he purchased an engine at Portland, and 
then had John and Ria list themselves as the owers so they could say they 
"exhibited" at Portland.

Our prayers are with Ria and family.

Peg Pfeiffer


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 29 21:00:40 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE:  John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <438D31F8.3090305@scrtc.com>

Peg,
    My Kentucky upbringing came out in my last post about John.  I 
referred to Ria as "Rita".  I knew better but added the t when I typed 
it.  Ria was with John when he visited my place.  Great couple.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> Bill still tells the story of how he purchased an engine at Portland, 
> and then had John and Ria list themselves as the owers so they could 
> say they "exhibited" at Portland.
>
> Our prayers are with Ria and family.
>
> Peg Pfeiffer
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 29 21:46:46 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:46:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cast Iron Burrall Corn Sheller
Message-ID: <045701c5f571$74d76570$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
You want one?
 
Here's a picture of one:
http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/burrall.html
 
There is a young lady in Saddle River, NJ who has one that she would like to
liquidate.  If you're interested, her name is Betsy and her email address is
eabowen at optonline.net
 
I've not seen the sheller, I don't know the seller.  Civet Cat Emperor.
 
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 29 22:02:54 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:02:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: High Head Bolts - Good News
In-Reply-To: <29f.91a7f6.30be4dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <045c01c5f573$b5b63ab0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Look on page 35 of this catalog.....they have......Kwik 
> Poly!!  If you don't know what it it, it is the miracle drug 
> for rusty/leaking gas tanks plus much more.


Now hold your horses there, amigo!

Here is my understanding of the facts.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

1.  A elderly gentleman in Missouri used to manufacture Kwik-Poly.

2.  The gentleman died.

3.  The rights to the product were sold to another gentleman named Jeff.

4.  Jeff renamed the product Xtreme-Poly.

5.  Litigation ensued and the formulation was changed.

6.  The new formulation is not gasoline resistant.

7.  Litigation continues.


So the obvious questions are:

1.  Why does a 2005 catalog carry "Kwik-Poly?"  

2.  Is this "Kwik-Poly" resistant to fuel.

3.  If so, why does the catalog not claim this characteristic?

It appears that there are huge holes in the "facts" as I know them.

Rob

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From flywheel at netconnect.com.au  Tue Nov 29 22:09:20 2005
From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:09:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RE:  John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F39B4269FF2B3164AA15945E74A0@phx.gbl>
References: <200511292208.jATM8f3O024563@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051130170316.0309d450@mail.netconnect.com.au>

Such sad news! I had the very great privilege to correspond with John a 
couple of times a few years back but was never fortunate enough to be able 
to meet him personally.

As we all know, John was a truly great supporter of the list and a 
veritable wealth of information, which he was unfailing willing to share - 
and always with a wry sense of humour!

And the tragic circumstances of his passing remind us all that life is a 
precious gift so easily lost.

Memories make our loved ones live in our hearts for ever. I hope that his 
family can gain some measure of support from the wishes of the list.

Regards,

Mark

Mark Kennedy
Ballarat, Victoria, Australia

Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co.
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Nov 30 02:04:44 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:04:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies
In-Reply-To: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>

The oil Companies have been using this ruse forever.It's a real 
money-maker for them! I'd like to know what proof he has....and how many 
other qualified people agree.

I think if he's right,the Congress would let the oil companies drill in 
Alaska.

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Nov 30 03:11:08 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:11:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Who is ''He''?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies


> The oil Companies have been using this ruse forever.It's a real
> money-maker for them! I'd like to know what proof he has....and how many
> other qualified people agree.
>
> I think if he's right,the Congress would let the oil companies drill in
> Alaska.
>


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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Nov 30 03:52:06 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:52:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <20051129073808.ZFOJ10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051130224452.00bc61a8@mail.ncable.com.au>


>Like other SEL folk I find it hard to beleive John has passed away. 
>Freindly kind people like John keep members attracted to a list like this. 
>I have chattered off list with John a number of times; and think that one 
>could not find a better bloke. His imput to our hobby will take some 
>bettering! A sad day indead and our thoughts also to Johns family.

regards Russell Gilbert


Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Nov 30 04:24:17 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:24:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
In-Reply-To: <004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>
	<004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>

The "Qualified Expert" who's opinion was posted.

I just got done cleaning out my email,so the original posting was 
deleted....laziness on my part not to put 'his' name in.

                                             all apologies

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 30 06:59:13 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:59:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SixM John
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV84F4A4B884158DF0165EEBB4A0@phx.gbl>

Ref pix:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/514114362/514128961oSiTVP

I once asked John:  "What is Ria implying with that ear of corn held up like 
that.  Does it have anything to do with "Put that damn camera down and get 
over here and help or else it's going where the sun never shines?"

  His reply was: "Yea Rick, that pretty much sums it up:-)" 


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Nov 30 10:29:03 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:29:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <20051130181425.9300.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051130181425.9300.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438DEF6F.1090705@imc-group.com>

Hey Steve, that is NEAT! I can picture you lusting over this. For size 
reference, do you know the size oiler this is?

I've heard of salesmen samples for other products but never for engines.
Does anyone know of other brands of salesmen sample gas engines that 
were made?

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Steve Barr wrote:

>Curt
>
>I have known of Reg's engine for a few years now....but don't have it on
>the photo list page.
>
>Did you see this little salesman's sample Challenge????
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/86.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/87.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/88.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/89.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/90.jpg
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/91.jpg
>
>The family that has it will not sell it :(  and they have had it for many
>years.  Made all from castings.  I don't know of any others...I tried
>talking Reg into making one for me, but it hasn't happened yet...I need to
>keep on him...  
>
>I think that I will put pics of the sample on the Challenge page (just
>updated yesterday).
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/Challenge/Challenge.htm
>
>It is about time to break the photo page apart due to the size of it for
>those on dialup.  62 engines + a few more that I am waiting for pictures
>of.
>
>Steve
>
>--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks Luke. You're even faster than Steve Barr at finding Challenge 
>>engines! :-)
>>Curt
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Curt,
>>>
>>>There are pictures of them on his web page. Here they are:
>>>
>>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challenge.htm
>>>
>>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challengem.htm
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>    
>>



From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com  Wed Nov 30 10:45:05 2005
From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:45:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <200511301700.jAUH05Hi017253@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <BFB34F51.7F7D%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>

I read of John's passing with great sadness. I had the pleasure of meeting
John and Ria at the Root & VanDervoort reunion in 2003. Intelligent,
knowledgeable and soft-spoken, John was a true engine man and a fine human
being. What a loss for Ria and family, let alone the engine community.
Richard Backus/Gas Engine Magazine 




From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Nov 30 11:45:47 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:45:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BFB34F51.7F7D%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>
Message-ID: <200511301946.jAUJjwcs059609@mail-gw.fsr.net>

A man of John's stature in the antique engine community deserves mention in
the GEM "In Memoriam" section.

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Backus
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:45 AM
To: SEL
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink

I read of John's passing with great sadness. I had the pleasure of meeting
John and Ria at the Root & VanDervoort reunion in 2003. Intelligent,
knowledgeable and soft-spoken, John was a true engine man and a fine human
being. What a loss for Ria and family, let alone the engine community.
Richard Backus/Gas Engine Magazine 


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From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Nov 30 13:06:00 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <438DEF6F.1090705@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

Curt

There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
Kenny Wolf called it as it was his.  It was very cool...even the chain
drive mag worked.

4 Pics on my Rollag Gas Engine Page ~80% Down
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rollag1.htm

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rollag/engine/86.jpg

Steve

--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:

> Hey Steve, that is NEAT! I can picture you lusting over this. For size 
> reference, do you know the size oiler this is?
> 
> I've heard of salesmen samples for other products but never for engines.
> Does anyone know of other brands of salesmen sample gas engines that 
> were made?
> 
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Steve Barr wrote:
> 
> >Curt
> >
> >I have known of Reg's engine for a few years now....but don't have it
> on
> >the photo list page.
> >
> >Did you see this little salesman's sample Challenge????
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/86.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/87.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/88.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/89.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/90.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/91.jpg
> >
> >The family that has it will not sell it :(  and they have had it for
> many
> >years.  Made all from castings.  I don't know of any others...I tried
> >talking Reg into making one for me, but it hasn't happened yet...I need
> to
> >keep on him...  
> >
> >I think that I will put pics of the sample on the Challenge page (just
> >updated yesterday).
> >
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/Challenge/Challenge.htm
> >
> >It is about time to break the photo page apart due to the size of it
> for
> >those on dialup.  62 engines + a few more that I am waiting for
> pictures
> >of.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >--- Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Thanks Luke. You're even faster than Steve Barr at finding Challenge 
> >>engines! :-)
> >>Curt
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hi Curt,
> >>>
> >>>There are pictures of them on his web page. Here they are:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challenge.htm
> >>>
> >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold/challengem.htm
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>    
> >>
> 
> 
> To UN-subscribe, send a message to:
> 
> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
> with:
> unsubscribe
> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc.
> 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Nov 30 14:03:18 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:03:18 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net><004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I knew you would ask me that Michael. Unfortunately I did not catch the name 
but he was an Australian who was involved in a big way with the petroleum 
industry overseas. However if you feel inclined do a search on Google 
....Peak Oil Supply?
Any number of ''Experts'' pop up.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?


> The "Qualified Expert" who's opinion was posted.
>
> I just got done cleaning out my email,so the original posting was
> deleted....laziness on my part not to put 'his' name in.
>
>                                             all apologies
>


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 30 14:15:39 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:15:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438E248B.4030300@scrtc.com>

Steve, 
    It was the real McCoy.  It came out of South America and was owned 
by a gent in FL for a number of years.  I tried to purchase it but could 
never work a deal (Kenny has a "slicker" tongue than me I guess).  I've 
also seen salesman samples of the Type A Olds, Stickney, Hagan and 
Olin.  I'm sure there are several more out there.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, Ky


>Curt
>
>There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
>Kenny Wolf called it as it was his.  It was very cool...even the chain
>drive mag worked.
>  
>
>
>  
>



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 14:52:42 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:52:42 EST
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
Message-ID: <12d.69ea5ad7.30bf873a@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
stevebarr at ameritech.net writes:

<< There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
 Kenny Wolf called it as it was his >>


Steve,

Do you know if Kenny had bought this engine from a man in Florida?  I set up 
several years at Kinsers with some folks from Florida (Dick ?), He kept this 
salesman engine in his motor home and rarely got it out.  I have pictures of it 
somewhere in my junk.  He had bought it from the son of the man that sold the 
engines and it had made a trip to South America and back.  The last I heard 
he had turned down $40,000 for it.  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 30 14:56:57 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <20051130210600.35421.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051130225657.70694.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

I noticed on one of the photos the brand name of  "Flour City".  Rochester (where I live) is now nicknamed the  "Flower City" but, years back, it was know as the "Flour City" because  of the Genesee River waterfalls that powered the mills.  Is it  possible that this engine could have been made in these parts?
  JM

Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net> wrote:  Curt

There was a Callahan Sample at Rollag this year... At least that is what
Kenny Wolf called it as it was his.  It was very cool...even the chain
drive mag worked.

4 Pics on my Rollag Gas Engine Page ~80% Down
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2005Rollag1.htm

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005Rollag/engine/86.jpg

Steve

--- Curt  wrote:

> Hey Steve, that is NEAT! I can picture you lusting over this. For size 
> reference, do you know the size oiler this is?
> 
> I've heard of salesmen samples for other products but never for engines.
> Does anyone know of other brands of salesmen sample gas engines that 
> were made?
> 
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> Steve Barr wrote:
> 
> >Curt
> >
> >I have known of Reg's engine for a few years now....but don't have it
> on
> >the photo list page.
> >
> >Did you see this little salesman's sample Challenge????
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/86.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/87.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/88.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/89.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/90.jpg
> >
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Sandwich/part2/91.jpg
> >
> >The family that has it will not sell it :(  and they have had it for
> many
> >years.  Made all from castings.  I don't know of any others...I tried
> >talking Reg into making one for me, but it hasn't happened yet...I need
> to
> >keep on him...  
> >
> >I think that I will put pics of the sample on the Challenge page (just
> >updated yesterday).
> >
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/Challenge/Challenge.htm
> >
> >It is about time to break the photo page apart due to the size of it
> for
> >those on dialup.  62 engines + a few more that I am waiting for
> pictures
> >of.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >--- Curt  wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Thanks Luke. You're even faster than Steve Barr at finding Challenge 
> >>engines! :-)
> >>Curt
> >>
> >>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>      
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> >>    
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 15:00:12 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:00:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
Message-ID: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2005 5:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<< It came out of South America and was owned 
 by a gent in FL for a number of years. >>

Tommy,

I just remembered that the last owner was named Dick Herzog, Nokomis, Fl.  I 
have not had contact with him since Kinsers kicked all the motor homes out of 
the engine display area.  He was pretty upset that year and vowed never to 
come back.  He and his wife were nice folks and Millie and enjoyed visiting with 
them at Kinsers every year.  Do not know what you offered him for it, but he 
told me that he had turned down $40,000.


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 30 16:15:42 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:15:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>
References: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438E40AE.7090106@scrtc.com>


Tom,  

    We talked some serious bills on it.  But, I don't think he really 
wanted to sell it at the time.  He passed away and his son ended up with 
it.  He and I chatted once about it but he could never settle on a price 
and wanted me and some others to "make offers" on it.  I told him to put 
it on ebay and then the world could make offers on it.  I didn't hear 
anymore about it until Kenny got it last year.  Its a small pile of iron 
worth a big pile of money.  I have one of the Callahan models that Harry 
Cooper made (he used my 4 HP to scale from).  Its almost identical in 
size (maybe 1/8" difference in the flywheel diameter) to the one Kenny 
has.  I'll throw it out behind the barn and in 10 years, I'll have a 
Salesman Sample (well, at least it would look like one).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>In a message dated 11/30/2005 5:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
><< It came out of South America and was owned 
> by a gent in FL for a number of years. >>
>
>Tommy,
>
>I just remembered that the last owner was named Dick Herzog, Nokomis, Fl.  I 
>have not had contact with him since Kinsers kicked all the motor homes out of 
>the engine display area.  He was pretty upset that year and vowed never to 
>come back.  He and his wife were nice folks and Millie and enjoyed visiting with 
>them at Kinsers every year.  Do not know what you offered him for it, but he 
>told me that he had turned down $40,000.
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov 30 16:23:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:23:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
In-Reply-To: <438E40AE.7090106@scrtc.com>
References: <2a2.ae0d02.30bf88fc@aol.com>
 <438E40AE.7090106@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051130192243.0cbb6b90@mail.alltel.net>


>  I'll throw it out behind the barn and in 10 years, I'll have a Salesman 
> Sample (well, at least it would look like one).
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 30 16:34:22 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:34:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <045c01c5f573$b5b63ab0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <04b501c5f60e$faee8d80$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Hola, amigos!
I just got off the phone with Dale Portell.  He's the guy who manufactures
Kwik-Poly to the same specifications using the same suppliers that Harold used.
He seems like a nice guy and a gentleman.  AND... his stuff resists gasoline
just like the Kwik-Poly from years ago.  At least that's what I've been told.  

Dale welcomes orders from antique engine enthusiasts.  You can call him
directly.  

Dale Portell
4123 Chartley Drive 
Bridgeton , MO  63044 

(314) 344-8881     














From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov 30 15:59:06 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:59:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
In-Reply-To: <003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net>
	<004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>
	<003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051130185756.0cb22670@mail.alltel.net>

Now there's a lot of BS if I ever heard it!
         Dave

At 05:03 PM 11/30/2005, you wrote:
>I knew you would ask me that Michael. Unfortunately I did not catch the 
>name but he was an Australian who was involved in a big way with the 
>petroleum industry overseas. However if you feel inclined do a search on 
>Google ....Peak Oil Supply?
>Any number of ''Experts'' pop up.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak" 
><guitronics at comcast.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
>
>
>>The "Qualified Expert" who's opinion was posted.
>>
>>I just got done cleaning out my email,so the original posting was
>>deleted....laziness on my part not to put 'his' name in.
>>
>>                                             all apologies
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 17:09:26 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:09:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Salesman Sample was Re: transport
Message-ID: <e4.76150f71.30bfa746@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2005 7:24:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<<  But, I don't think he really 
 wanted to sell it at the time. >>

Tommy,

Dick did not want to sell at that time as he said that he did not need the 
money and if it was worth that kind of money to someone it was worth that to him 
also.  Dick would save us a space to set up my trailer in front of his motor 
home at Kinsers and over a couple of years I spent several hours in his motor 
home looking over the engine.  It was a real beauty, somethng that you feel 
fortunate to have seen and put your hands on once in your life.  I probably ran 
my fingers over every inch of it in total amazement that exacting salesman 
samples had been made of an engine.  If the truth is known I probably drooled 
slobber a few times too.  HA!  I never asked Dick if it was for sale as I knew it 
was way out of my league.  I will have to see if I can find my photos of it.

I believe Dick told me that some wanted to take his and get precise 
measurements to make them, but I do not know if this ever occurred.  Seems he might 
have been talking about the Kinsers club or something.  I do know that the last 
time at Kinsers he had to fight his way in with the motor home and as the week 
progressed he became more bitter about it, and when he pulled out he said he 
would never be back after going there for a long time.  

I am very sorry to learn about his passing.  Millie and I spent many days 
together at Kinsers with them.  She and Millie would head out one day and do some 
shopping together.  

You might consider putting your model in the barn rather than out behind it, 
as it would probably make a better "salesman sample" being kept inside!!!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 30 17:20:49 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:20:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BFB34F51.7F7D%rbackus@ogdenpubs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F27FFD5D6943958E4756853954D0@phx.gbl>




  I feel very fortunate to have met such a fine man in person at Portland a 
few years ago, and to have been able to enjoy and learn from his deep 
knowledge of  engines and all things mechanical. He will be greatly missed 
in the engine community and all other areas that his life touched. He gave 
me a pin for my hat from the Nuenen Show that will now be a special reminder 
of him. Thank you John for all that you shared with us. Steve Royster




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Nov 30 19:21:17 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:21:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F27FFD5D6943958E4756853954D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F27FFD5D6943958E4756853954D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <10a31fc5aba2dba15ba693aa3bfe8f4b@chartertn.net>

Not only I, but my whole family are deeply saddened by the news of 
John's death. He and Ria visited with us here once, and my wife and 
children liked them and enjoyed their visit very much. My daughter 
Jennifer took it very hard. John gave her her first job as an artist, 
commissioning her to draw an engine-themed  Christmas card for him 
several years ago. She still wears the T?shirt he gave her for that 
job.

I've long enjoyed corresponding with John on and off of the engine 
list, and have had the pleasure of visiting with him and Ria at 
Portland on several occasions. He was a kind and generous man, with a 
gentle sense of humor. I've pointed many people who E-mailed me with 
International engine questions to John, as I regarded him as the 
world's foremost expert on these engines.

He will be sorely missed. There's nobody capable of "filling his shoes."

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA