From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 1 02:31:45 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 19:31:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 'Small' engine progress Message-ID: <200505010931.j419VVxQ064367@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> A little bit of progress on the 'J.D. Small' engine today. I took it out to a mates place where I carefully unbolted the engine from its board and mounted it on a higher block of wood. It was then belted to an electric motor to bed everything in. One of the bearings was running a little hot so with a bit of shimming it was soon fine. After about 1/2 an hour on the belt the engine was warm and it now has excellent compression. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/small/05050103.JPG We rigged up a temporary fuel system and added an extra tap to allow the adjustment of the gas/air mixture. We could not find a regulator to suit the LPG bottles we had so we set up a line to allow a straight feed of gas. I heated up the hot-tube to a nice cherry red but we could do no better than a single pop :( Without a regulator there is simply too much gas pressure even with the tap almost fully of. I will get regulator during the week and we will try again. As a consolation to not getting the Small running we fired up my mate's 8hp Mogul portable which had not been started since December 2003 (it runs sweet) and his 8hp Star. The little engine is nice but you cannot beat the big ones :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 1 05:48:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:48:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] 'Small' engine progress Message-ID: <1ef.3b0c4e01.2fa62a12@aol.com> In a message dated 5/1/2005 6:51:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << A little bit of progress on the 'J.D. Small' engine today. >> Neat J.D.Small engine Patrick! Thanks for showing it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 1 06:26:48 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:26:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines for sale Message-ID: <200505011326.j41DQXns028120@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> A mate of mine has three nice engines for sale (for those in Oz or even for someone really keen overseas). He has two Hornsby Oil engines on original transports and a 6hp Austral portable (magneto start). The Hornsbys are complete (one is running) and the Austral is restored. Contact me off list for photos and contact info. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun May 1 08:34:43 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 10:34:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: References: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4274F713.1080908@wightman.ca> Thanks John! :-) Dunc John Culp wrote: >> I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. >> Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) > > > Oh, that's not a big thing. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 1 12:07:15 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:07:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: <4274F713.1080908@wightman.ca> References: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> <4274F713.1080908@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Anytime, Dunc! :-) John On May 1, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Duncan Denman wrote: > Thanks John! :-) > > Dunc > > John Culp wrote: > >>> I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. >>> Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) >> >> >> Oh, that's not a big thing. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ivancou at alltel.net Sun May 1 12:47:24 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:47:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> <000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a tapered pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its tight . Thanks ,Ivan From bboyce at swat.coop Sun May 1 13:31:08 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:31:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk><000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001001c54e8c$b4edf9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> ivan, are you sure its a through pin ? the rope pulleys on all my wisconsins are threaded onto the crank, right hand threads,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas >I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a > parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a > tapered > pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no > avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its > tight . Thanks ,Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ivancou at alltel.net Sun May 1 15:21:58 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:21:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk><000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <001001c54e8c$b4edf9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <003f01c54e9c$30eb0320$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Bill , I think it is . I dont see any slot or indentations in the end to make me beleive that its a setscrew . I've used a big wrench already to try to turn it ,including a couple taps to try to jar it ,nothing . Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin help > ivan, are you sure its a through pin ? the rope pulleys on all my wisconsins > are threaded onto the crank, right hand threads,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > > >I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a > > parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a > > tapered > > pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no > > avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its > > tight . Thanks ,Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 1 15:38:36 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:38:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. Message-ID: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up was easy . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down the spark plug hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling the barrel off and examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out with the hone ................... Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 1 16:36:42 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 19:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't hugely enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing itself isn't a problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the oil-holding capacity of the cylinder wall and can cause problems with ring and piston lubrication. A much bigger problem is if your bore is worn till it's not round. The rings may have worn and turned as the bore wore so they sealed fairly well in it, but new rings won't. They'll bridge between high points across out-of round sections and you'll get tremendous blowby. On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no preferred orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time running in the engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way when you later pull the piston as when you put it in. (That's why orienting them in specific ways isn't critical.) Often you find the gaps all lined up on one side of the piston. That means the bore has worn to an egg shape, with the gaps lined up on the pointy side of the egg. That bore will have to be rebored. John On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short > cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i > made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. > When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up > was easy . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first > thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down > the spark plug hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the > problem . Pulling the barrel off and examining the bore showed > considerable glazing ,there was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of > the breather. So now it out with the hone ................... John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun May 1 18:35:57 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:35:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk><000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <024601c54eb7$4b10efb0$63017643@D6R3D961> UHHHHHHH it unscrews counter clockwise leave the pin alone Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "ivan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help >I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a > parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a > tapered > pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no > avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its > tight . Thanks ,Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 1 20:17:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 21:17:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? Message-ID: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> Hi all, Damn neat engine in OZ. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? Jeff Allen From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon May 2 00:07:23 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:07:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? References: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003001c54ee5$98c5bbe0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Jeff those old lister like that would bring about $500 AU you maybe lucky to get it a bit cheaper its Not a very rare Engine out here i hope that helps Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? > Hi all, > > Damn neat engine in OZ. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon May 2 00:33:39 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:33:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? In-Reply-To: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> References: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: In message <42759BD0.9000901 at earthlink.net>, Jeff Allen writes >Damn neat engine in OZ. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspag >ename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >gename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1> > > >Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? > I paid 130 GBP for one in the UK not long ago, not such nice condition and no trolley, so I'd guess at 200 - 250 GBP, or 400 - 500 USD. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 2 00:36:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:36:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? References: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> <003001c54ee5$98c5bbe0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <003201c54ee9$bb717a90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A fair evaluation Brock. They were among the most common engines to be found on the farms and sheep propeties. There is one not far from me still doing its daily chore of chaff cutting. (That was where my Big Chief came from as this is the engine I give a check over now and then.) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What's it worth? > G,day Jeff > those old lister like that would bring about $500 AU you maybe lucky to > get it a bit cheaper > its Not a very rare Engine out here i hope that helps > Brock > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "Oldengine list" ; "The SEL email > discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:17 PM > Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? > > >> Hi all, >> >> Damn neat engine in OZ. >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> >> >> >> Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon May 2 04:37:58 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:37:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> In this case John, removing the glaze has done it ,top compression and no blow back out of the breather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings and bores. >I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't hugely >enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing itself isn't a >problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the oil-holding capacity of >the cylinder wall and can cause problems with ring and piston lubrication. >A much bigger problem is if your bore is worn till it's not round. The >rings may have worn and turned as the bore wore so they sealed fairly well >in it, but new rings won't. They'll bridge between high points across >out-of round sections and you'll get tremendous blowby. > > On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a > perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no preferred > orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time running in the > engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way when you later pull > the piston as when you put it in. (That's why orienting them in specific > ways isn't critical.) Often you find the gaps all lined up on one side of > the piston. That means the bore has worn to an egg shape, with the gaps > lined up on the pointy side of the egg. That bore will have to be rebored. > > John > > On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i made >> some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. When >> reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up was easy >> . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first thoughts it was >> the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down the spark plug >> hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling >> the barrel off and examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there >> was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out >> with the hone ................... > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 2 05:15:20 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <3594.165.206.180.144.1115036120.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Rings need to "Wear in" and with a glaze, there is nothing to cause the rings, or the cylinder to "wear to match". The cross-hatching also actually holds oil causing an even better seal and REDUCING friction. If this were a car, there are different types of honing to match different ring constructions. There are measurements for the "roughness", actually scopes to measure it. In your case, simply "deglaze" it, make sure it's as round as you can get it, taper is nill and you'll be fine. Bill > In this case John, removing the glaze has done it ,top compression and no > blow back out of the breather. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings and bores. > > >>I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't >> hugely >>enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing itself isn't a >>problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the oil-holding capacity >> of >>the cylinder wall and can cause problems with ring and piston >> lubrication. >>A much bigger problem is if your bore is worn till it's not round. The >>rings may have worn and turned as the bore wore so they sealed fairly >> well >>in it, but new rings won't. They'll bridge between high points across >>out-of round sections and you'll get tremendous blowby. >> >> On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a >> perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no preferred >> orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time running in the >> engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way when you later >> pull >> the piston as when you put it in. (That's why orienting them in specific >> ways isn't critical.) Often you find the gaps all lined up on one side >> of >> the piston. That means the bore has worn to an egg shape, with the gaps >> lined up on the pointy side of the egg. That bore will have to be >> rebored. >> >> John >> >> On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >>> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i >>> made >>> some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. When >>> reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up was >>> easy >>> . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first thoughts it was >>> the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down the spark plug >>> hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the problem . >>> Pulling >>> the barrel off and examining the bore showed considerable glazing >>> ,there >>> was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out >>> with the hone ................... >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sun May 1 20:41:06 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 23:41:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> Hi: I'm a newbie to the list,and will ask a question that's probably been asked many times before. Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? John Culp wrote: > I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't > hugely enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing > itself isn't a problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the > oil-holding capacity of the cylinder wall and can cause problems with > ring and piston lubrication. A much bigger problem is if your bore is > worn till it's not round. The rings may have worn and turned as the > bore wore so they sealed fairly well in it, but new rings won't. > They'll bridge between high points across out-of round sections and > you'll get tremendous blowby. > > On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a > perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no > preferred orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time > running in the engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way > when you later pull the piston as when you put it in. (That's why > orienting them in specific ways isn't critical.) Often you find the > gaps all lined up on one side of the piston. That means the bore has > worn to an egg shape, with the gaps lined up on the pointy side of the > egg. That bore will have to be rebored. > > John > > On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i >> made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the >> bore. When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and >> start up was easy . After an hours run absolutely no >> compression...first thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and >> shot some oil down the spark plug hole....compression !That >> eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling the barrel off and >> examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there was evidence of >> blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out with the hone >> ................... > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 2 07:36:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4215.165.206.180.144.1115044598.squirrel@antique-engines.com> A. They are so not needed in a typical gasoline engine (unless you seek ultra-high performance) B. I've heard some racers complain of gasses building up between the rings and causing ring flutter and problems. C. Some I've talked to who have tried them say they would not again. D. See the truth on ring gap explained here: http://kb-silvolite.com/feature.php?action=read&F_id=40 (My soon-to-be high-performance car engine will use KB hyper 28cc step dish pistons on full-floating pins and a balanced crank assembly) On a stationary, small or industrial engine or a street or street/strip car, none of us could come up with a need for them, especially when there were some issues with them. Bill > Hi: I'm a newbie to the list,and will ask a question that's probably > been asked many times before. > > Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? > > John Culp wrote: > >> I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't >> hugely enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing >> itself isn't a problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the >> oil-holding capacity of the cylinder wall and can cause problems with >> ring and piston lubrication. A much bigger problem is if your bore is >> worn till it's not round. The rings may have worn and turned as the >> bore wore so they sealed fairly well in it, but new rings won't. >> They'll bridge between high points across out-of round sections and >> you'll get tremendous blowby. >> >> On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a >> perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no >> preferred orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time >> running in the engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way >> when you later pull the piston as when you put it in. (That's why >> orienting them in specific ways isn't critical.) Often you find the >> gaps all lined up on one side of the piston. That means the bore has >> worn to an egg shape, with the gaps lined up on the pointy side of the >> egg. That bore will have to be rebored. >> >> John >> >> On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >>> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i >>> made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the >>> bore. When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and >>> start up was easy . After an hours run absolutely no >>> compression...first thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and >>> shot some oil down the spark plug hole....compression !That >>> eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling the barrel off and >>> examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there was evidence of >>> blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out with the hone >>> ................... >> >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon May 2 08:03:58 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 08:03:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. Thanks in advance. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 2 08:30:37 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I think John Burns uses Schedule 80 stainless steel pipe and tig welds a small piece of stainless rod in the end to close it off. I think nickel or monel tubing might have been used in the early days before stainless steel. I've also included the OFES on this reply as they would also have a lot of experience on this topic. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 2 May 2005, Steve Gray wrote: > OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some > of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat > question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used for > hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil engine > I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. Easily made, > but would like to come up with the proper material. My feeble brain cell > SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. From falcon at telenet.net Mon May 2 08:31:40 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:31:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Help: Looking for a new Dog Toy OT Message-ID: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> Most folks who own a pet will understand this request. Well maybe they will .. Our Welsh Corgi (Buster) has become VERY attached to a certain squeaky dog toy. The problem is that my wife and I can no longer find this toy in any of the stores we found it in before. We had bought three of them and the last one is getting pretty bad (vinyl/rubber gets cracked and torn at the bases, the rest of the toy is fine) So I am asking for help. I figure there are a LOT of folks who visit stores on the list and maybe somebody has seen or will see this toy. They were in two different all for a dollar type stores near here but they no longer have them, I asked if they could still order them and was told they couldn't since they just ordered assortments. So folks if you get a chance and happen to wander through the pet toys could you keep an eye out for a couple of these vinyl/rubber dinosaurs? If you see them and have some spare change we would reimburse you for the time/cost/shipping. Just drop me an E-Mail. http://snipurl.com/em26 Should take you to some pictures of the toy and the owner who loves it so much. Thanks a Lot for any help. Buster says Woof !! as well. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 2 08:39:10 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:39:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] NAMES Expo 2005 Pictures Message-ID: For your viewing pleasure. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names05/names05.html Lighting isn't the greatest for taking pictures in that place. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 2 08:50:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605050208504e3e498@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/05, Steve Gray wrote: > OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some > of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat > question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used for > hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil engine > I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. Easily made, > but would like to come up with the proper material. My feeble brain cell > SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. > Thanks in advance. > > - Steve One of the nickel-chrome steels perhaps? Inconel is one, thought a real pain to machine, but there are others such as the stainless steel varieties. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 2 08:57:43 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:57:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> Message-ID: <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> Steve, Inconel 718 might be the alloy you are thinking of. It is a nickel alloy well suited for hot work. I use it for some of the hot rolling mills in our foundry. Unless you are up for a sadistic machining experience you might just try to buy one already made. It is absolutely miserable stuff to machine as it work hardens as you turn it/drill it. It is also 8x as expensive as H13. You'll probably be able to buy several finished hot tubes for what you could buy the tooling for. We also use H13 which is a very good hot work tool steel. While not easy to machine either, it is far easier than Inconel. Perhaps the OFES guys can say if they have luck using H13 for hot tubes..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Gray wrote: > OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some > of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat > question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used > for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil > engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. > Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My > feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. > Thanks in advance. > > - Steve > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon May 2 10:16:52 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:16:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200505021716.j42HGtk6045296@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? If by "Gapless" you mean the trademarked name for the rings manufactured by Total Seal, then no. If we're talking about a generic term for rings without a straight-through gap, then yes. I had some rings made up with notched, interlocking ends, like a ship-lap board. I've also used two rings per groove, with the gaps offset. The "gapless" rings performed as expected. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 2 10:30:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for a new Dog - OT In-Reply-To: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve, It might be easier to replace the dog instead. May I suggest a Maine Coon cat? http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html Just turn 'em loose in the back yard and he'll catch his own squeaky toy. Might even catch a small dog to use as a squeaky dog toy. 8-)) Hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Mon, 2 May 2005, Steve W. wrote: > Our Welsh Corgi (Buster) has become VERY attached to a certain squeaky > dog toy. The problem is that my wife and I can no longer find this toy > in any of the stores we found it in before. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 2 11:39:04 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <200505021716.j42HGtk6045296@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> <200505021716.j42HGtk6045296@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <1550.165.206.180.144.1115059144.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >I've also used two rings per groove, with the gaps offset< I've seen and used sets sold that way. Bill > >> Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? > > If by "Gapless" you mean the trademarked name for the rings manufactured > by > Total Seal, then no. If we're talking about a generic term for rings > without a > straight-through gap, then yes. > > I had some rings made up with notched, interlocking ends, like a ship-lap > board. > I've also used two rings per groove, with the gaps offset. The "gapless" > rings > performed as expected. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon May 2 12:56:15 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:56:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <427685DF.6060904@mlode.com> Hi Arnie, Luke, Peter & Curt - I kind of suspected that a good grade of stainless might be involved. Having spent the last 4 years of my employment machining Inconel, Nitronic, Monel and various grades of stainless, I feel everyone's past experiences with machining the stuff! (Sadistic is an accurate description, Curt!!) I may even have a chunk of Nitronic kicking around in the material bin, but whatever the case, thinking about it, I agree something along those lines should suffice well. I doubt it would have to be too awfully thick to do the job. It just needs to be a short stub to act as a glow plug for starting this monster. Now you guys got me to thinking....! Thanks, Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Curt wrote: > Steve, > Inconel 718 might be the alloy you are thinking of. It is a nickel > alloy well suited for hot work. I use it for some of the hot rolling > mills in our foundry. Unless you are up for a sadistic machining > experience you might just try to buy one already made. It is > absolutely miserable stuff to machine as it work hardens as you turn > it/drill it. It is also 8x as expensive as H13. You'll probably be > able to buy several finished hot tubes for what you could buy the > tooling for. > We also use H13 which is a very good hot work tool steel. While not > easy to machine either, it is far easier than Inconel. > Perhaps the OFES guys can say if they have luck using H13 for hot > tubes..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Steve Gray wrote: > >> OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some >> of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat >> question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used >> for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil >> engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. >> Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My >> feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> - Steve >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 2 13:26:29 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:26:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <427685DF.6060904@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> <427685DF.6060904@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505021326566c71c0@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/05, Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Arnie, Luke, Peter & Curt - > > I kind of suspected that a good grade of stainless might be involved. > Having spent the last 4 years of my employment machining Inconel, > Nitronic, Monel and various grades of stainless, I feel everyone's past > experiences with machining the stuff! (Sadistic is an accurate > description, Curt!!) I may even have a chunk of Nitronic kicking around > in the material bin, but whatever the case, thinking about it, I agree > something along those lines should suffice well. I doubt it would have > to be too awfully thick to do the job. It just needs to be a short stub > to act as a glow plug for starting this monster. Now you guys got me to > thinking....! > > Thanks, > > Steve With modern tipped tooling it isn't too bad a job. We used to have carbon jaws made for our arc lights at the film & TV lighting Co that I worked for, out of inconel, and they was a very expensive pair of jaws! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon May 2 14:42:45 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:42:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Great! John On May 2, 2005, at 7:37 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > In this case John, removing the glaze has done it ,top compression and > no blow back out of the breather. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon May 2 15:05:32 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:05:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <006b01c54f63$12c53d80$fe680b42@computer> Steve, Oddly the tube does not act like a glow plug but rather acts as a small ignition chamber as the gas/air mixture is driven into it by the piston. The length of the hot tube determines the timeing of the engine so you may not want to use a "short stub" of a tube. The tubes we use on a Pattin, a Reid and a Bessemer vary from 5" to 6" in length and some of them we use are stainless tubing with a screwed on stainless cap; items that should be easily purchased. Ours are from a local steel mill which uses these items in their coke batteries and continuous casters. They work very well. George -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gray To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material >Hi Arnie, Luke, Peter & Curt - > > I kind of suspected that a good grade of stainless might be involved. >Having spent the last 4 years of my employment machining Inconel, >Nitronic, Monel and various grades of stainless, I feel everyone's past >experiences with machining the stuff! (Sadistic is an accurate >description, Curt!!) I may even have a chunk of Nitronic kicking around >in the material bin, but whatever the case, thinking about it, I agree >something along those lines should suffice well. I doubt it would have >to be too awfully thick to do the job. It just needs to be a short stub >to act as a glow plug for starting this monster. Now you guys got me to >thinking....! > >Thanks, > > Steve > >-- >Steve Gray >Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 >Sonora, California USA >e-mail: segray at mlode.com >Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > >Curt wrote: > >> Steve, >> Inconel 718 might be the alloy you are thinking of. It is a nickel >> alloy well suited for hot work. I use it for some of the hot rolling >> mills in our foundry. Unless you are up for a sadistic machining >> experience you might just try to buy one already made. It is >> absolutely miserable stuff to machine as it work hardens as you turn >> it/drill it. It is also 8x as expensive as H13. You'll probably be >> able to buy several finished hot tubes for what you could buy the >> tooling for. >> We also use H13 which is a very good hot work tool steel. While not >> easy to machine either, it is far easier than Inconel. >> Perhaps the OFES guys can say if they have luck using H13 for hot >> tubes..... >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> Steve Gray wrote: >> >>> OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some >>> of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat >>> question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used >>> for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil >>> engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. >>> Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My >>> feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> - Steve >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 2 15:27:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050429183400.01ab4650@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <6.1.0.6.0.20050429183400.01ab4650@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050502182722.0d88f800@mail.alltel.net> Yes, the magnets on an EK can be recharged. Dave At 09:37 PM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >Jim i don't know if the magnets can be recharged or not. When i get one >that don't work right [wico] i just send them to Lee petterson in NY.Last >two i sent out had new magnets put in????????? Off the shelf swap or >rebuild around $200.00 >R Fink >PA > > > > > > >At 05:13 AM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >>Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts >>today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone >>know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop >>here and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick >>it up a week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. >> >>Any thoughts??? >> >>Jim >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon May 2 16:18:44 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:18:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <12a.5c86357e.2fa80f54@aol.com> Hi folks, The hot tube in a FM Y engine is quite a bit different than the tubes used in oil field engines. I have a 25 FM Y, and the tube isn't any more than about 2 1/2" long, and I think it's either 1/2" or 3/4" pipe thread, if my memory is working correctly. The tube is heated with a blow lamp, and after the engine is started the lamp is taken away. There should be enough heat in the combustion chamber to keep the engine running on kero. or diesel fuel without the use of the lamp. I'm not sure of the material the tube is made of, but it looks like a type of nickel or stainless steel. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon May 2 18:25:46 2005 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:25:46 GMT Subject: [SEL] IHC M Fuel Pump Message-ID: <20050502.182631.3784.60245@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Hi Guys, would someone tell me what size the check balls are and what position they go in the fuel pump? It has been awhile since I worked on one. Thanks, Joe Kelley PS: I have gasket material back in stock also. ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From falcon at telenet.net Mon May 2 19:28:37 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:28:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looking for a new Dog - OT References: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004c01c54f87$d0fc44a0$3a1117d1@net.telenet.net> Naa, I only have two uses for cats. Pet is not one of them. Buster does love to chase them though. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for a new Dog - OT > Hi Steve, > > It might be easier to replace the dog instead. May I suggest a Maine Coon > cat? http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html > > Just turn 'em loose in the back yard and he'll catch his own squeaky toy. > Might even catch a small dog to use as a squeaky dog toy. 8-)) > > Hope that helps... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 2 May 2005, Steve W. wrote: > > > Our Welsh Corgi (Buster) has become VERY attached to a certain squeaky > > dog toy. The problem is that my wife and I can no longer find this toy > > in any of the stores we found it in before. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 2 19:41:57 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:41:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show Message-ID: <20050502.194158.1524.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air Force Base. I only got a few pictures before the battery died, I think this is an impressive first shot. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671957 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Bimjy at hotmail.com Mon May 2 19:54:13 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:54:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] hot tube material Message-ID: Iv'e had my oilfield (AC Thomas halfbreed) engine run for quite a spell after I turned the hot tube torch off! The day was hot & the engine water was near 210 degrees. I can well imagine had it been real hot and running under a good load that it might be enough heat there to continue running without torch being on! Any thoughts or similar experiences? Jim Hunter From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon May 2 22:04:14 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:04:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC M Fuel Pump References: <20050502.182631.3784.60245@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <000f01c54f9d$90c6e1e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Joe, there're 5/16 and 3/8 balls. The 1? hp has a 5/16 suction and 3/8 discharge. The 3 hp and 6 hp have both 3/8 balls. My best results are the stainless balls. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Hi Guys, would someone tell me what size the check balls are and what position they go in the fuel pump? It has been awhile since I worked on one. Thanks, Joe Kelley > PS: I have gasket material back in stock also. From segray at mlode.com Mon May 2 23:00:38 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:00:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <006b01c54f63$12c53d80$fe680b42@computer> References: <006b01c54f63$12c53d80$fe680b42@computer> Message-ID: <42771386.40208@mlode.com> Hi George - Dwight Vivas just beat me to the response on this. Dwight nailed it on the head as this hot tube is only used to start the engine, being heated by a blow torch only until the engine is running. The tube (pipe), Dwight, is 1/2". Mine is much shorter than it's supposed to be, nothing more than a close nipple with a pipe cap. The previous owner used to have occasional trouble getting the Y running, and I suspect with such a short pipe that he couldn't get it hot enough being that short and close to the head. Anyway, George, though not having a nice true hot tube ignition engine :-( , I'm sure the true hot tubes are longer than what I should have on this engine. My Y is also a 25 HP, Dwight. Serial number has it at 1919. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com George & Norma Armstrong wrote: >Steve, > Oddly the tube does not act like a glow plug but rather acts as a small >ignition chamber as the gas/air mixture is driven into it by the piston. >The length of the hot tube determines the timeing of the engine so you may >not want to use a "short stub" of a tube. The tubes we use on a Pattin, a >Reid and a Bessemer vary from 5" to 6" in length and some of them we use are >stainless tubing with a screwed on stainless cap; items that should be >easily purchased. Ours are from a local steel mill which uses these items >in their coke batteries and continuous casters. They work very well. >George >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Gray >To: The SEL email discussion list >Date: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:07 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 02:05:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:05:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations Message-ID: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> We have had a few requests recently from software security programmes asking us to confirm by clicking on a button on the email, that we are to be added to a recipient's approved email listing. The most recent was from Rob Skinner this morning: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ZoneAlarm Security Suite E-Mail Verification Thank you for sending me your email with the subject "Re: Quirindi Heritage Meeting Pictures". I really want to receive your email. In an effort to eliminate junk email, I am using ZoneAlarm Security Suite. ZoneAlarm Security Suite has placed your message on hold. Please click the button below so you will be added to my Allowed people list, I will receive your email, and we will be able to communicate freely going forward. Do not reply to this message. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do anything.... I'm sure there is a work-around for this, but at present I can't make it work! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 3 02:20:16 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:20:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show References: <20050502.194158.1524.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001501c54fc1$55832e30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Interesting show area Ron, a very good explanation for the tourists by K&R. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671966&f=0 John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi all. > WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air > Force Base. I only got a few pictures before the battery died, I think > this is an impressive first shot. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671957 > &f=0 > > Ron Haskell From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 04:50:33 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:50:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover Engine Colour Message-ID: <200505031150.j43BoGs7001273@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> If anyone can help Grover with the correct colour for his Stover contact him at his address below. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW _____ From: Grover Fox,Jr [mailto:cfox25 at nu-z.net] Subject: Stover Engine I have a Stover engine I am trying to restore, I am interested in the color code for the paint. The plate states Stover Engine Works, Freeport, Ill USA Type U H.P. 8 Speed 300 No. E34798 It is very similar to the one in your picutures on the web site (looks like a U type and is painted some type of green. Someone here told me it was a Dupont color. If you have any information as to what color this engine was originally and where I can obtain please let me know. \ At some of the shows Ihave gone to some oldtimers say it should have been red, some say green, It was rusted when I got it and I now have it sandblasted and primed. I just need the correct color. Enjoy your site. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Grover Fox Lincolnton, GA USA From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 3 05:11:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sunday show Message-ID: <1a6.373ecb51.2fa8c459@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2005 11:05:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air Force Base. >> Ron, Looks like a great place to have a show and thanks for the pictures. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 05:35:31 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:35:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <20050502.194158.1524.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Nice pictures Ron, Is the B-29 airworthy? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all. WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air Force Base. I only got a few pictures before the battery died, I think this is an impressive first shot. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671957 &f=0 Ron Haskell From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue May 3 05:43:27 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:43:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <000c01c54fdd$b71c9e80$6b680b42@computer> Steve, Interesting. My input shows my lack of familiarity with the FM ignition system. Sounds like a nifty set-up. The tubes we use are also just stainless nipples that we cap. George -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gray To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material >Hi George - > > Dwight Vivas just beat me to the response on this. Dwight nailed it >on the head as this hot tube is only used to start the engine, being >heated by a blow torch only until the engine is running. The tube >(pipe), Dwight, is 1/2". Mine is much shorter than it's supposed to be, >nothing more than a close nipple with a pipe cap. The previous owner >used to have occasional trouble getting the Y running, and I suspect >with such a short pipe that he couldn't get it hot enough being that >short and close to the head. Anyway, George, though not having a nice >true hot tube ignition engine :-( , I'm sure the true hot tubes are >longer than what I should have on this engine. My Y is also a 25 HP, >Dwight. Serial number has it at 1919. > >- Steve > >-- >Steve Gray >Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 >Sonora, California USA >e-mail: segray at mlode.com >Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > >George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >>Steve, >> Oddly the tube does not act like a glow plug but rather acts as a small >>ignition chamber as the gas/air mixture is driven into it by the piston. >>The length of the hot tube determines the timeing of the engine so you may >>not want to use a "short stub" of a tube. The tubes we use on a Pattin, a >>Reid and a Bessemer vary from 5" to 6" in length and some of them we use are >>stainless tubing with a screwed on stainless cap; items that should be >>easily purchased. Ours are from a local steel mill which uses these items >>in their coke batteries and continuous casters. They work very well. >>George >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Steve Gray >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue May 3 06:49:40 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:49:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I received one of these also from Rob's address. It appears to be coming from the oldengine.org list and not the SEL list. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================ >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:05:44 +0100 > >We have had a few requests recently from software security programmes >asking us to confirm by clicking on a button on the email, that we are >to be added to a recipient's approved email listing. The most recent >was from Rob Skinner this morning: > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >ZoneAlarm Security Suite E-Mail Verification >Thank you for sending me your email with the subject "Re: Quirindi >Heritage Meeting Pictures". I really want to receive your email. > >In an effort to eliminate junk email, I am using ZoneAlarm Security Suite. >ZoneAlarm Security Suite has placed your message on hold. > >Please click the button below so you will be added to my Allowed >people list, I will receive your email, and we will be able to >communicate freely going forward. > >Do not reply to this message. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail >server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do >anything.... > >I'm sure there is a work-around for this, but at present I can't make it >work! > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 07:04:16 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:04:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505031404.j43E4LZK032688@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail > server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do > anything.... Sorry mate, I'm dabbling with some new software, getting all the wrinkles ironed out. Please try again. Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 3 07:01:36 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:01:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show Message-ID: <20050503.100501.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Nice Pics, Ron. I was amazed by the flatness of the land. I'm used to setting up on a hillside. Thanks for sharing. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue May 3 08:25:27 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:25:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> Hi Steve, My 25hp Y is # 288219, according to to FM records, it was erected 12-6-17 and it was shipped to FM & Co. 36th St. Station - Bush Terminal Ry. Co. , Brooklyn, NY. on 1-24-18. It is a electric lighting engine and I have the generator it was belted to. I doubt that I'll ever get the generator going, it's a 2300 V. 15KW unit. The engine once powered a doctors estate, and part of the town of South Hill, Va. I need a bank of old transformers, but they're getting hard to find. :-( Dwight Matoaca, VA. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 09:05:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:05:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] One Flywheel or Two? Message-ID: <6f6025160505030905116d6ced@mail.gmail.com> Following on from a little discussion with Patrick and Arnie, I had it in my mind that 'most' horizontal open-crank engines were twin flywheel, but Arnie reckons that single-flywheel engines are more extant. In the UK it is (in my view) relatively rare to see a single-flywheel open-crank unless you get to specific makers, in which case Crossley for one and Ruston & Hornsby electric plant engines for another come to mind. Discuss please? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 09:20:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:20:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: <200505031404.j43E4LZK032688@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> <200505031404.j43E4LZK032688@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505030920879672f@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail > > server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do > > anything.... > > Sorry mate, > I'm dabbling with some new software, getting all the wrinkles ironed out. > Please try again. > > Rob I did get around the problem as I mentioned in my email to you directly, so no hassle. We have spam filtering at Easynet for my 'diesel' email address and Gmail emails only go to individuals or the engine lists, so pretty safe there so far. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 09:48:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:48:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505031648.j43Gm3Ok072759@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I received one of these also from Rob's address. It appears > to be coming from the oldengine.org list and not the SEL list. Sorry mates, My hope was that the new software would work seamlessly with the mailing lists, but it apparently does not. It's now turned off, and I've gone back to the old way of doing things. Thanks for bringing to my attention my computer's rude behavior. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 09:53:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:53:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Nice pictures Ron, > Is the B-29 airworthy? Hi Patrick, That B-29 is not ready for the skies, although it is certainly in good enough condition to be adopted by an enthusiastic chap such as yourself. Google on "B-29 restoration" and you'll come up with some interesting projects. I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel 1905 Hornsby. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 10:19:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:19:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160505030905116d6ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505031719.j43HJTbh081214@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Discuss please? Hi Peter, The original discussion of a few weeks ago was regarding a 1905 Hornsby. I'd be interested in seeing some pictures of a dual-flywheel Hornsby Akroyd or 1905 model. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 3 10:43:51 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:43:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> References: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4277B857.8040500@scrtc.com> Dwight, I have a neighbor who has a 25 HP Y Electric lighting. I could have bought it at one time for $200 but passed as its a heck of a hunk of iron. Someone told me that they inquired about it last summer and he said he wanted $1000 for it. Just thought I would mention it in case anyone on the SEL had interest in a Y Electric lighting. Not many of them around. I'll be glad to send a name and address to the owner if anyone wants it or I can stop by and ask him about it. I see him 5 - 6 times a week. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Steve, > My 25hp Y is # 288219, according to to FM records, it was erected 12-6-17 >and it was shipped to FM & Co. 36th St. Station - Bush Terminal Ry. Co. , >Brooklyn, NY. >on 1-24-18. > It is a electric lighting engine and I have the generator it was belted to. >I doubt that I'll ever get the generator going, it's a 2300 V. 15KW unit. The >engine once powered a doctors estate, and part of the town of South Hill, Va. > I need a bank of old transformers, but they're getting hard to find. :-( > > Dwight > Matoaca, VA. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 11:58:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:58:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160505030905116d6ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Discuss please? > > Hi Peter, > The original discussion of a few weeks ago was regarding a 1905 Hornsby. I'd be > interested in seeing some pictures of a dual-flywheel Hornsby Akroyd or 1905 > model. > > Rob I have Ray Hooley's archive of original catalogues and descriptive leaflets with me, and there are examples of twin-flywheel Hornsby engines, the first I came across was the 'R' series oil engine of 1911 - 1925. The "Standard Specification for Horizontal Oil Engines" lists engines from 2 to 66hp and the brochure shows twin flywheels. The L and LE were both Hornsby engines albeit during the transitional period after R&H came into existance. The Class L engines ran from 1905 to 1912, but the Class is shown as starting much earlier, these dates are for the engine powers that tie up with the leaflet. My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin flywheels, on two sizes of engines. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 12:19:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:19:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Nice pictures Ron, > > Is the B-29 airworthy? > > Hi Patrick, > That B-29 is not ready for the skies, although it is certainly in good enough > condition to be adopted by an enthusiastic chap such as yourself. > > Google on "B-29 restoration" and you'll come up with some interesting projects. > I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel > 1905 Hornsby. > > Rob http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Hornsby1905Red.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 3 12:39:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:39:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts Message-ID: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> Alamo experts, I am working on reassembling the 5HP Alamo. Everything is together but I am stumped about the connection between the hole (9/16" dia) in the top of the latchout arm and the spindle coming out of the bottom of the flyball governor. There is a cross hole in the lower end of the governor spindle and a tapped hole for a screw in the side of the latchout arm. Is there simply a screw installed to connect the two? Since it is threaded on both sides of the latchout out arm, perhaps there is a thin tube/bushing over the screw? If anyone has a parts book that might show the parts of the latchout mechanism on a walking beam engine I could sure use a scan/copy/fax. I can take a couple of pictures if this will be useful. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From nick at holden1.net Mon May 2 05:31:06 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:31:06 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Mayday rally Message-ID: <42761D8A.000003.02460@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all had a nice day out at the Lambourn Country Show yesterday with my rebuilt and now running Fairbanks Morse Z headless the weather could not have been better 70f + all day some photos of the engines and my FM on webshots nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From segray at mlode.com Tue May 3 13:06:56 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:06:56 -0700 Subject: Was: [SEL] Hot tube material Now: FMC Y In-Reply-To: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> References: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4277D9E0.50209@mlode.com> Hi Dwight - It's not known what exactly this ol' gal did in her hay days, but all the working years were spent in an engine shed near the "Sweet Marie Mine" in Battle Mountain, Nevada (near I80, due south of the Oregon/Idaho border). I would suspect either pumping water from the mine or compressing air for it. The serial number of 419195 puts it around October of 1919. Allegedly, it was at the mine from day one and used until the early part of WWII. It has the lighter(??), non-electric flywheels with a 26" diameter clutch/pulley. Being inside all it's life, the engine is in fantastic shape and may never have been apart. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Steve, > My 25hp Y is # 288219, according to to FM records, it was erected 12-6-17 >and it was shipped to FM & Co. 36th St. Station - Bush Terminal Ry. Co. , >Brooklyn, NY. >on 1-24-18. > It is a electric lighting engine and I have the generator it was belted to. >I doubt that I'll ever get the generator going, it's a 2300 V. 15KW unit. The >engine once powered a doctors estate, and part of the town of South Hill, Va. > I need a bank of old transformers, but they're getting hard to find. :-( > > Dwight > Matoaca, VA. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 3 13:24:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts In-Reply-To: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> References: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1370.165.206.180.144.1115151888.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I have a color Alamo catalog/brochure from the teens I could look at. That size is so different from the 2hp and 1.5 that I have, I can't really comment. Bill > Alamo experts, > I am working on reassembling the 5HP Alamo. Everything is together but I > am stumped about the connection between the hole (9/16" dia) in the top > of the latchout arm and the spindle coming out of the bottom of the > flyball governor. There is a cross hole in the lower end of the governor > spindle and a tapped hole for a screw in the side of the latchout arm. > Is there simply a screw installed to connect the two? Since it is > threaded on both sides of the latchout out arm, perhaps there is a thin > tube/bushing over the screw? > > If anyone has a parts book that might show the parts of the latchout > mechanism on a walking beam engine I could sure use a scan/copy/fax. > I can take a couple of pictures if this will be useful. > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Tue May 3 10:40:48 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:40:48 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] may day rally Message-ID: <4277B7A0.000007.02632@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all had a nice day out at the Lambourn Country Show yesterday with my rebuilt and now running Fairbanks Morse Z headless the weather could not have been better 70f + all day some photos of the engines and my FM on webshots nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From nick at holden1.net Mon May 2 00:58:32 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:58:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] May day rally Message-ID: <4275DDA8.000003.02880@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all had a nice day out at the Lambourn Country Show yesterday with my rebuilt and now running Fairbanks Morse Z headless the weather could not have been better 70f + all day some photos of the engines and my FM on webshots nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 3 14:18:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh piffle!! That's not a REAL "two-flywheel 1905 Hornsby." It's a fake belted up to an electric motor. Its the same sort of deal guys work up to show a "running" Maytag!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/MT_1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/MT_2.jpg Runs as long as the electric motor is plugged in and belted up! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 3 May 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel > > 1905 Hornsby. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Hornsby1905Red.jpg > > Peter A Forbes From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 15:48:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:48:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard > Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin > flywheels, on two sizes of engines. Hi Peter, Despite most of the surviving engines having one flywheel, the catalogs verify that the engines originally left the factory with two flywheels. This is not as strange as you might think. During the war there were severe shortages of raw materials. Scrap drives consumed many old, worn out engines. But the Hornsby engines were of such good design that they were still running strong and powering industry during the war. It would have been foolhardy to scrap the engines that were running the shops and factories! However, it was soon discovered that the engines were so well designed that they would perform just fine with a single flywheel. The superfluous flywheels were then removed and melted down into munitions. The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by Nazi sympathizers. Now you know the WHOLE story ;-) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue May 3 16:34:37 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:34:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts References: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> <1370.165.206.180.144.1115151888.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000601c55038$acea8b10$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo experts > I have a color Alamo catalog/brochure from the teens I could look at. > That size is so different from the 2hp and 1.5 that I have, I can't really > comment. > Bill Hi, I was just thinking reading this how many catalogues & maintence manuals we must own between us. Is there any way we can set up a common site to post them to? I looked & found I had posted the following, http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/documents.htm I do own a few other books which could be posted. What do you think.? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue May 3 16:39:36 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:39:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? References: <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000601c55039$5f13fab0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:48 PM Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? Snip > The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by > Nazi sympathizers. Now you know the WHOLE story Now come on Rob, even the newest Pope was a member of the Hitler Youth. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 3 17:14:58 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:14:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? Message-ID: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> Now i have an engine [two flywheels but that does not make me a Nazi sympathiser]. Re, the what i assume is the hot tube,It is a tube that is approx 75mm long x12mm [that's inches x1/2]. It screws in to the combustion chamber in a vertical position and projects externally. The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length to approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material inserted into this tube? Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker..............still that does not matter,just makes it a hell of lot more interesting. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 3 17:29:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:29:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show and Settle for a B17? In-Reply-To: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42781777.9070604@earthlink.net> Hi all, Took these a few years back with the old digital. Wish I would have taken the film camera with my long lens. Enjoy! http://frapa.us/B17a.JPG http://frapa.us/B17b.JPG http://frapa.us/B17c.JPG http://frapa.us/B17d.JPG http://frapa.us/B17e.JPG http://frapa.us/B17f.JPG Jeff Allen Rob Skinner wrote: >>Nice pictures Ron, >> Is the B-29 airworthy? >> >> > >Hi Patrick, >That B-29 is not ready for the skies, although it is certainly in good enough >condition to be adopted by an enthusiastic chap such as yourself. > >Google on "B-29 restoration" and you'll come up with some interesting projects. >I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel >1905 Hornsby. > >Rob > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 3 17:53:47 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:53:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts In-Reply-To: <000601c55038$acea8b10$fa4c1152@no1> References: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> <1370.165.206.180.144.1115151888.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <000601c55038$acea8b10$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <42781D1B.3010202@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, I have a start here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html We do have a place already. Just checked and all of yours are linked to. I suppose we could ask Jim for a seperate area to link to manuals, but for now this works fine. I index what I can find and what is sent to me. Now and then I screw up and don't post what is sent. Send it again. I'm not perfect. Post away and I'll link to em. I set up a new bookmark folder tonight. I'll dump all new links in there so I don't lose them in the future. Jeff Allen Dave Croft wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:24 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo experts > > > > >>I have a color Alamo catalog/brochure from the teens I could look at. >>That size is so different from the 2hp and 1.5 that I have, I can't really >>comment. >>Bill >> >> > >Hi, I was just thinking reading this how many catalogues & maintence manuals >we must own between us. >Is there any way we can set up a common site to post them to? >I looked & found I had posted the following, >http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/documents.htm >I do own a few other books which could be posted. >What do you think.? > >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 3 20:27:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes?/Now Nazi Sympathizer--ot In-Reply-To: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050503231801.0d838540@mail.alltel.net> At 08:14 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote: >Now i have an engine [two flywheels but that does not make me a Nazi >sympathiser]. Peter Ogborne Peter, An international known authority (from CA) on the subject of Nazi sympathizers has recently published on this subject. His claim is that anyone in france or the UK that owns a two flywheel engine is/was a Nazi sympathizer. Are you saying that you are no longer a Nazi sympathizer? Please tell us what has turned you against the Nazi movement. Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 21:33:50 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:33:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? In-Reply-To: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length to > approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a > diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming > that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material > inserted into this tube? No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. On the compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, a combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open > crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name > plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see the pictures? Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 23:44:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:44:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard > > Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin > > flywheels, on two sizes of engines. > > Hi Peter, > Despite most of the surviving engines having one flywheel, the catalogs verify > that the engines originally left the factory with two flywheels. This is not as > strange as you might think. > > During the war there were severe shortages of raw materials. Scrap drives > consumed many old, worn out engines. But the Hornsby engines were of such good > design that they were still running strong and powering industry during the war. > It would have been foolhardy to scrap the engines that were running the shops > and factories! However, it was soon discovered that the engines were so well > designed that they would perform just fine with a single flywheel. The > superfluous flywheels were then removed and melted down into munitions. > > The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by > Nazi sympathizers. > > Now you know the WHOLE story > ;-) Notwithstanding your 'colourful' explanation, I should point out that the catalogue also shows single-flywheel versions of many of the engines, which tends to blow your theory out of the water somewhat...:-)) The smaller engines tend to have had single flywheels and the larger ones twins, but even then there are exceptions to the rule, so it is a bit of a mixed bag. The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed May 4 02:37:45 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:37:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O T Message-ID: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> What's everyone go to sleep. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed May 4 02:45:18 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:45:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O T References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <003e01c5508d$fcb35870$5f11fea9@merlin> nah i,am still ere Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [SEL] O T > What's everyone go to sleep. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 02:13:47 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:13:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? References: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001601c55090$0fdef5b0$c89581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks for that Rob ......if i am correct i am sure you had a ''Mystery Engine ''site, it on there. Thanks again for that info on hot tubes i am in full swing on restoration of the engine and a wooden boat but sometimes things like the vacuum cleaner have to take precedence............i am not a liberated husband!!! I now have to think of a suitable reply for Dave R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? >> The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length >> to >> approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a >> diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming >> that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material >> inserted into this tube? > > No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. > On the > compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, > a > combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > >> Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open >> crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name >> plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker > > For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see > the > pictures? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Wed May 4 03:28:36 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:28:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? References: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com><200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007901c55094$096011c0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi , here in Australia we were blessed with more than our fair share of Hornsbys sent over from the old dart back in the early days of the last century - or was that the one before . They lie about rusting away in the paddocks, no body bothering to pick them up, so common they is over here. Of the 8,000 or so Hornsbys that came to Australia in those days I doubt that more than a few hundred had two flywheels. The ones I have seen or seen pictures of were real big ones, say 16Hp or bigger. Believe me a 16Hp Akroyd is BIG. This includes the earliest girder frame types, the half base Akroyds, the 1905 and 1912 style oil engines, the petrol and the Andrews styled gas engines - they all were typified by a relatively large (for their HP) single flywheel. Michael Young Orange, NSW, 2800 Phone: 02 6361 0041 Mobile: 0414 015 864 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? > On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard > > > Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin > > > flywheels, on two sizes of engines. > > > > Hi Peter, > > Despite most of the surviving engines having one flywheel, the catalogs verify > > that the engines originally left the factory with two flywheels. This is not as > > strange as you might think. > > > > During the war there were severe shortages of raw materials. Scrap drives > > consumed many old, worn out engines. But the Hornsby engines were of such good > > design that they were still running strong and powering industry during the war. > > It would have been foolhardy to scrap the engines that were running the shops > > and factories! However, it was soon discovered that the engines were so well > > designed that they would perform just fine with a single flywheel. The > > superfluous flywheels were then removed and melted down into munitions. > > > > The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by > > Nazi sympathizers. > > > > Now you know the WHOLE story > > ;-) > > Notwithstanding your 'colourful' explanation, I should point out that > the catalogue also shows single-flywheel versions of many of the > engines, which tends to blow your theory out of the water > somewhat...:-)) > > The smaller engines tend to have had single flywheels and the larger > ones twins, but even then there are exceptions to the rule, so it is a > bit of a mixed bag. > > The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, > and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 03:59:02 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:59:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? References: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000a01c55098$666ce1f0$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry Rob ,the picture of my engine is on Ken Christianson's page http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? >> The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length >> to >> approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a >> diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming >> that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material >> inserted into this tube? > > No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. > On the > compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, > a > combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > >> Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open >> crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name >> plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker > > For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see > the > pictures? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 04:14:33 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:14:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Comments OT but question Topical Message-ID: <001d01c5509a$76cd5140$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> For Australian members .........although i never had any time for Joh Bjleke Peterson ,his attitude towards civil rights issues was atrocious . His reply to the question regarding his thoughts on homosexuals .......after a moments thought ''You don't put water where the petrol should go'' was a classic Joh reply. Now the On Topic question.............for Australian members ,did anyone see the old photo on page 16 of the ''Weekend Australian Magazine'' April 30? It shows Joh with some kind of vehicle ,on the back is a piece of machinery, looks a bit like a pumper . Any one got any ideas? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 04:35:45 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:35:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson Message-ID: <001401c5509d$6dddff00$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one have Kens email address thanks Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 4 04:39:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 04:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O T In-Reply-To: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Huh? You'll need to explain, please - sleep, what is this? Something you eat? Bill > What's everyone go to sleep. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 04:41:12 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:41:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? References: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003601c5509e$2ff6b780$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Rob ,what you describe sounds too simple to be true. It will make my restoration much easier. I am sure that what i have is the original tube. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? >> The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length >> to >> approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a >> diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming >> that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material >> inserted into this tube? > > No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. > On the > compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, > a > combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > >> Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open >> crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name >> plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker > > For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see > the > pictures? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 05:48:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:48:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes?/Now Nazi Sympathizer--ot References: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20050503231801.0d838540@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000b01c550a7$a2189e10$9c9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Dave ,after being saturated over the years with Hollywood soaps like Hogan's Heroes i have now become a sympathiser. The international expert has not made himself known to me ......hell I am in enough trouble with my engine club anyway so a bit more agro wont hurt . I have to be careful what I say re my club as all comments get back to the oligarch. Still two flyweelin... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Now Hot tubes?/Now Nazi Sympathizer--ot > At 08:14 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote: >>Now i have an engine [two flywheels but that does not make me a Nazi >>sympathiser]. > Peter Ogborne > > Peter, > An international known authority (from CA) on the subject of Nazi > sympathizers has recently published on this subject. His claim is that > anyone in france or the UK that owns a two flywheel engine is/was a Nazi > sympathizer. Are you saying that you are no longer a Nazi sympathizer? > Please tell us what has turned you against the Nazi movement. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 4 05:53:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:53:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson In-Reply-To: <001401c5509d$6dddff00$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001401c5509d$6dddff00$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f60251605050405536db4c617@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/05, peter ogborne wrote: > Does any one have Kens email address > thanks > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > christison at coastalnet.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed May 4 05:55:07 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:55:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson Message-ID: <410-2200553412557687@coastalnet.com> christison at coastalnet.com The "mystery engine" page is at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/engines.htm Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: peter ogborne > To: > Date: 5/4/2005 11:37:03 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson > > Does any one have Kens email address > thanks > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed May 4 06:49:49 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:49:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i'm building a 4 wheel cart for my 2 hp vertical OTTO. the wheels are 16" rear and 12" front that will center pivot steer under the frame. i have the handle attachment castings for the front axle. i'm wondering what would be the best kind of handle to make. wood? all steel? T- handle? D- loop handle? hitch end for pulling with a winch or (gulp) tractor? ideas and pics of ones that work well for moving and loading are requested. thanks, Marv in minn From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 4 07:53:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:53:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4278E1EA.5000003@imc-group.com> Marv, About all I can add is to have the handle goto and stow in a vertical position to conserve trailer and storage space. Hercules and IHC carts are an issue because you have to remove the handle to conserve space. When I redid the Herc sawrig I made a towbar that would allow it to be pulled with the tractor and handled by hand. It will also pivot up and slightly behind vertical to remain in the vertical positon to eliminate having to remove the handle. Here are a couple of sketches of the Herc handle made with 1" square tubing: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >i'm building a 4 wheel cart for my 2 hp vertical OTTO. >the wheels are 16" rear and 12" front that will center pivot steer under >the frame. i have the handle attachment castings for the front axle. > >i'm wondering what would be the best kind of handle to make. >wood? all steel? T- handle? D- loop handle? >hitch end for pulling with a winch or (gulp) tractor? > >ideas and pics of ones that work well for moving and loading are requested. > >thanks, >Marv in minn > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 21:25:49 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:25:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> We have all learnt the dangers of trusting everything in engine catalogues and books :) I just checked through my files and of the 230 odd pictures I have of Richard Hornsby & Hornsby-Akroyd engines only 4 have twin flywheels. None of these appears to be a 'colonial' engine. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I have Ray Hooley's archive of original catalogues and descriptive leaflets with me, and there are examples of twin-flywheel Hornsby engines, the first I came across was the 'R' series oil engine of 1911 - 1925. The "Standard Specification for Horizontal Oil Engines" lists engines from 2 to 66hp and the brochure shows twin flywheels. The L and LE were both Hornsby engines albeit during the transitional period after R&H came into existance. The Class L engines ran from 1905 to 1912, but the Class is shown as starting much earlier, these dates are for the engine powers that tie up with the leaflet. My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin flywheels, on two sizes of engines. Peter From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 4 09:32:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Jane, you ignorant slut... 8-))) http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78eupdate.phtml On Wed, 4 May 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > We have all learnt the dangers of trusting everything in engine catalogues > and books :) > I just checked through my files and of the 230 odd pictures I have of > Richard Hornsby & Hornsby-Akroyd engines only 4 have twin flywheels. None of > these appears to be a 'colonial' engine. From mtucker at uky.edu Wed May 4 10:29:54 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:29:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, Lincoln is restoring a 4 hp Friend Model BX (throttle governed) and he needs some help with it. Long story, but the piston is DEAD, as in using it is totally out of the question. So, he is in search of a replacement piston. The diameter is 4 inches and the distance from the top of the piston to the top of the wrist pin hole is 1.45 inches. The diameter of the wrist pin hole is a little more than 0.75 inches. Does anybody know of a piston that we could make work for this engine? There are a number of automobile pistons that are 4 inches but the ones that we have found all have a very narrow space for the connecting rod and making that space big enough to accept the rod would remove too much material and make things a little too fragile for the wrist pin. We would rather not grind down the width of the connecting rod down to fit because one of these days we may actually run across a correct Friend piston. According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the piston to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to handle? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 4 11:02:06 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:02:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hi Marv, I don't think the material is as important as the ability to lock the steering axle straight for safe loading and unloading. I make my carts with a provision to hook a winch strap to the rear axle or frame and load backwards and unload forwards with a pin inserted in the pivot table of the steering. Steve >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] cart handle design >Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:49:49 -0500 (CDT) > >i'm building a 4 wheel cart for my 2 hp vertical OTTO. >the wheels are 16" rear and 12" front that will center pivot steer under >the frame. i have the handle attachment castings for the front axle. > >i'm wondering what would be the best kind of handle to make. >wood? all steel? T- handle? D- loop handle? >hitch end for pulling with a winch or (gulp) tractor? > >ideas and pics of ones that work well for moving and loading are requested. > >thanks, >Marv in minn > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 4 11:53:02 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:53:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Mike, I wonder if you could machine some off of the top of the new piston which depends on how much meat there is on the replacement piston. Did you try to figure what the compression ratio was originally and what it would change to? I am inclined to think the change would be hardly noticeable but it would be smart to do the arithmetic just to be sure. How to calculate the CR might make a good school paper. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions > > According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a > wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the piston > to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 > inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to handle? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike From mtucker at uky.edu Wed May 4 12:14:17 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions In-Reply-To: <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: >Did you try to figure what the compression ratio was originally and >what it would change to? I am inclined to think the change would be >hardly noticeable but it would be smart to do the arithmetic just to >be sure. Jim, Thanks for the reply. The engine is is lots of pieces now but I think that we can reconstruct things enough to figure out the compression ratios of old piston versus new piston. It will probably be this weekend but I'll let you all know what we find out. Take care, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 4 13:21:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:21:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine sort of day Message-ID: <6f6025160505041321b185171@mail.gmail.com> Just sitting down after a pretty hectic day, involving machinery moving, an engine purchase and an ebay item pickup. Started off moving our two small milling machines out of the workshop and onto the trailer for delivery to a new owner and storage respectively. Our workshop is about a foot below street level, so it's a bit of a Pul-Lift job to haul them out and up again onto the trailer bed which is about another 14" off the deck. Once that was done, we drove up to Leicester, through that ancient village called Kibworth Harcourt where her Dollyness lives, and eventually got to Leicester where we picked up up a nice motorised engraving tool diamond dressing wheel. It failed to sell on ebay so we made an offer which was acceptable. We have two engraving machines now and this would see some use and save sending the tools away to be faced up. Over to Coalville, west of Leicester where we delivered one of the milling machines to its new owner, had a bit of a game getting it off but eventually it was on his garage floor and we left him to play with his new toy. Down the motorway, back to the field and feed the nags, then over to Chris' farm and drop off the other machine which is going on ebay, then home. Just about had the energy to put the trailer away! The engine or engines are a pair of Albin marine twin-cylinder units with gearboxes, props, dynastarts etc. Got the pair for about $40, bargain or what? We'll pick them up probably tomorrow and will get some pictures posted. Albin are Swedish, and these are still being made and supported. Not sure exactly which model, but 880cc twin sidevalve (L-head?) sounds about right. We shall both sleep well tonight! -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 4 13:30:24 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:30:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> Steve, An excellent suggestion you have made! I have eyed your locking system on several occasions and noted how it benefits the safety of the loading operation. Despite having a full 8' long tongue on my 8HP Famous, when it transitions from trailer to ramps one wheel always goes first and it is all my 190 pounds can do to stay planted as it wants to swing me to the side. That's a 4000# + engine with a large percentage of the weight on the front axle. Every time I load or unload this engine I swear I am going to add this feature to the cart. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Royster wrote: > Hi Marv, I don't think the material is as important as the ability to > lock the steering axle straight for safe loading and unloading. I make > my carts with a provision to hook a winch strap to the rear axle or > frame and load backwards and unload forwards with a pin inserted in > the pivot table of the steering. Steve > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 4 13:52:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:52:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050504135261e39f55@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/05, Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > Lincoln is restoring a 4 hp Friend Model BX (throttle governed) and > he needs some help with it. Long story, but the piston is DEAD, as > in using it is totally out of the question. So, he is in search of a > replacement piston. The diameter is 4 inches and the distance from > the top of the piston to the top of the wrist pin hole is 1.45 > inches. The diameter of the wrist pin hole is a little more than > 0.75 inches. Mike: I'm scanning through the Specialloid piston catalogue while eating my dinner, and there are plenty of 4" bore pistons in there, the biggest problem seems to be the small gudgeon pin diameter and the compression height (centre of gudgeon pin to top of piston) Waukesha, Reo, Federal, Fordson, Hercules and many more have them, but I see your biggest problem being with the small wrist pin size, followed by the compression height. I'll keep on looking and will shout is something near comes up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed May 4 03:36:02 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:36:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover Engine Colour Message-ID: <050420051036.729.4278A592000D3F03000002D921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Patrick, I will contact him about the paint. Curt > If anyone can help Grover with the correct colour for his Stover contact him > at his address below. > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > _____ > > From: Grover Fox,Jr [mailto:cfox25 at nu-z.net] > > Subject: Stover Engine > > > > I have a Stover engine I am trying to restore, I am interested in the color > code for the paint. > > The plate states Stover Engine Works, Freeport, Ill USA > > Type U H.P. 8 Speed 300 > > No. E34798 > > It is very similar to the one in your picutures on the web site (looks like > a U type and is painted some type of green. Someone here told me it was a > Dupont color. If you have any information as to what color this engine was > originally and where I can obtain please let me know. \ > > At some of the shows Ihave gone to some oldtimers say it should have been > red, some say green, It was rusted when I got it and I now have it > sandblasted and primed. I just need the correct color. > > > > Enjoy your site. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Grover > Fox > > Lincolnton, GA USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed May 4 16:25:00 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 00:25:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lister 3/1 & 5/1 Diesel engine handbook Message-ID: <006301c55100$7f880e40$fa4c1152@no1> I have scanned mine at http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Lister%20Diesel%20Manual.pdf It takes a while to download & it hasn't come out in quite the correct order but I think it is all there. If you have the engine but haven't got the book it is probably worth the wait! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 4 17:13:19 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:13:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505050013.j450DMlW053892@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, > and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! High res, please! Rob Parked on Ray's web page hitting refresh every ten seconds. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 4 18:25:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:25:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: Mike... is the old one buggered up so bad that Rowlands can't duplicate it? Good Luck RickinMt. > > According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a > > wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the > > piston > > to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 > > inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to > > handle? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed May 4 19:39:07 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> Hi List, I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for the busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier cast iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without some fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking my worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to be firing the mag near bottom dead center. I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set and the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the mag timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of trial and error (mostly error). What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. Tom From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 4 13:53:02 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:53:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions Message-ID: <20050504.231902.896.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, Im not familiar with the Friend - but - My first thought is - If you decide to use the LB piston, can you make a ?" spacer between the head & Cylinder ? A guy I know did it with a brass plate. You might have to make a longer valve push rod. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From wmrohrer at myactv.net Thu May 5 02:26:05 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:26:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] TEST Message-ID: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. Very little mail the last 3 days Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 5 02:33:48 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TEST In-Reply-To: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200505050933.j459Xtv7007083@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Mike, You are coming through loud and clear here in Oz :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. Very little mail the last 3 days Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu May 5 02:41:17 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:41:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <030201c55156$96147e90$a65bef18@pengy> I was wondering if the piston casting that I am making for Curt would be the correct dimensions for you. If so you can get one from him and machine it to fit. If not then maybe I could make something up that would work. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friend piston questions > Mike... is the old one buggered up so bad that Rowlands can't duplicate > it? > > > Good Luck > RickinMt. > > >> > According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a >> > wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the >> > piston >> > to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 >> > inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to >> > handle? >> > >> > Thanks for the help, >> > Mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 5 03:03:23 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:03:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TEST References: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005101c55159$acb01fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> There's been very little mail Mike. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rohrer" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: [SEL] TEST > This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. > > Very little mail the last 3 days > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Mike Rohrer > > Smithsburg, Maryland USA > > Collector of Antique Farm Literature > > Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > > If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! > > Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 5 05:06:40 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] TEST In-Reply-To: <005101c55159$acb01fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> References: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <005101c55159$acb01fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <1207.165.206.180.144.1115294800.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Blame it on spring and shows and guys spending time with their true loves - in the shop. Bill > There's been very little mail Mike. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Rohrer" > To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" > ; "'The SEL email discussion > list'" ; > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] TEST > > >> This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. >> >> Very little mail the last 3 days >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Mike Rohrer >> >> Smithsburg, Maryland USA >> >> Collector of Antique Farm Literature >> >> Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------------------ >> >> If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! >> >> Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu May 5 05:10:45 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:10:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> References: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <29862.199.62.0.252.1115295045.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> curt, does your cart have the steering limiting chains? if so, how about a couple of short chains with grab hooks to choke the steering to a minimum? i know it works very well on 15 and 20 hp Famous engines. marv in minn > Steve, > An excellent suggestion you have made! I have eyed your locking system > on several occasions and noted how it benefits the safety of the loading > operation. Despite having a full 8' long tongue on my 8HP Famous, when > it transitions from trailer to ramps one wheel always goes first and it > is all my 190 pounds can do to stay planted as it wants to swing me to > the side. That's a 4000# + engine with a large percentage of the weight > on the front axle. Every time I load or unload this engine I swear I am > going to add this feature to the cart. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Steve Royster wrote: > >> Hi Marv, I don't think the material is as important as the ability to >> lock the steering axle straight for safe loading and unloading. I make >> my carts with a provision to hook a winch strap to the rear axle or >> frame and load backwards and unload forwards with a pin inserted in >> the pivot table of the steering. Steve >> From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 5 06:00:58 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <29862.199.62.0.252.1115295045.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> <29862.199.62.0.252.1115295045.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <427A190A.1070309@imc-group.com> Marv, Yes it does have the steering limiting chains and yes, I believe that would work great. Thanks for a great suggestion! Curt in NC MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >curt, >does your cart have the steering limiting chains? >if so, how about a couple of short chains with grab hooks to choke the >steering to a minimum? >i know it works very well on 15 and 20 hp Famous engines. > >marv in minn > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 5 08:09:43 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:09:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Message-ID: <427A3737.4060606@imc-group.com> I've started this page on our website to track progress on Devin's Baker Monitor engine. Though a running engine, there is a fair amount of wear on it and we are repairing many items. Our goal is to work on this hot and heavy this summer and get the engine ready for the Portland show in August. A few weeks ago I asked the list if you knew the offset between the cylinder and the crankshaft centerlines. After careful measuring we determined the correct offset is .750. This amount of offset was a complete surprise. I'll keep adding to this web page and reposting it thru the summer as we make progress. Hope you will find it as entertaining as Devin and I are. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu May 5 10:44:47 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:44:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? Message-ID: Is there a way to tell if this engine is a hit and miss or a throttle goverened by the pictures and this serial number? It's hard for me to tell by the pictures. International 8 h.p. ?A1193E? Horiz. http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg Any guesses on a ball park value? It's coming up at an auction and it caught my attention. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 5 10:55:57 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:55:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <427A190A.1070309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On my carts with chains I put a bolt with a wing nut in each chain through the links when loading and you can tighten the two chains very tight for keeping things straight. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] cart handle design >Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:00:58 -0400 > >Marv, >Yes it does have the steering limiting chains and yes, I believe that would >work great. >Thanks for a great suggestion! >Curt in NC > >MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > >>curt, >>does your cart have the steering limiting chains? >>if so, how about a couple of short chains with grab hooks to choke the >>steering to a minimum? >>i know it works very well on 15 and 20 hp Famous engines. >> >>marv in minn >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 5 11:07:32 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:07:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Club day Message-ID: <427A60E4.5060108@imc-group.com> Last Saturday we had our annual get-to-together and picnic of just the club members. We hang out at the gin building, run a few engines, tell lies, and eat too much. The model guys had a better showing than the engine guys this year. There are several models I thought you might enjoy looking at. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed May 4 03:44:37 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:44:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009301c55096$44d1be00$0fb21fd3@morris> G'Day Peter Just to keep the Hornsby thing going I have a book on Hornsby Petrol Engines (1912) Portable or Stationary showing engines from 2hp to130hp including Petrol Driven Dynamos and not one of them are Two Flywheel types. I don,t think I have seen for real a twin flywheel Hornsby. must have kept them all over your side of the pond. Kerry Lithgow NSW OZ ... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel >> 1905 Hornsby. >> >> Rob > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Hornsby1905Red.jpg > > Peter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 3/05/2005 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 5 12:25:03 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:25:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> Its a hit and miss Luke. The carb overflow bowl gives it away. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Is there a way to tell if this engine is a hit and miss or a throttle > goverened by the pictures and this serial number? It's hard for me to > tell by the pictures. > > International 8 h.p. ?A1193E? Horiz. > > http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg > http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg > http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg > > Any guesses on a ball park value? It's coming up at an auction and it > caught my attention. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 5 13:22:49 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> References: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <3964.165.206.180.144.1115324569.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Question, Tommy - my Chapmans both have overflow type "carbs" or more properly, mixers, but are hit n miss. The fuel is pumped constantly into a bowl on the mixer, and overflow is directed back into the tank, similar to an IH M. So is it slightly possible another could also be H&M with that setup? I don't know much about those engines as shown, however. Bill > Its a hit and miss Luke. The carb overflow bowl gives it away. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >> Is there a way to tell if this engine is a hit and miss or a throttle >> goverened by the pictures and this serial number? It's hard for me to >> tell by the pictures. >> >> International 8 h.p. ?A1193E? Horiz. >> >> http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg >> http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg >> http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg >> >> Any guesses on a ball park value? It's coming up at an auction and it >> caught my attention. >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 5 15:47:23 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 18:47:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <3964.165.206.180.144.1115324569.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> <3964.165.206.180.144.1115324569.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <427AA27B.8010805@scrtc.com> Bill, The early IHC hit and miss and throttler engines both used overflow bowl carbs. But, they are different. The shape of the carb overflow bowl and its location gives away the identity of this engine as a hit and miss. If you look at the photo below, you can see the bowl and elbow of the hit and miss carb. The needle valve can be seen above the elbow. http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Question, Tommy - my Chapmans both have overflow type "carbs" or more >properly, mixers, but are hit n miss. The fuel is pumped constantly into a >bowl on the mixer, and overflow is directed back into the tank, similar to >an IH M. So is it slightly possible another could also be H&M with that >setup? > >I don't know much about those engines as shown, however. > >Bill > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 5 15:51:06 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:51:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay Book 4U Message-ID: <200505052251.j45MpApq018356@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is a very informative book... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=6959371958 From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 5 16:40:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:40:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Message-ID: <20050505.194036.1320.7.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Curt, Nice pics and explanations. Keep it coming. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu May 5 17:23:06 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:23:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Woodworking-Lumber Yard PLayset Message-ID: <000d01c551d1$dd07ae50$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Gang, My 10 year old grandson ask me if I would build him a Lumber Yard Playset so I built him one. I am just posting this so those who want to can look at the pictures, maybe help pass the time away. I made the little truck to go with it, my wife did the painting. The little men in the truck were turned out on my miniature lathe. It is not iron work but is enjoyable none the less. http://client.webshots.com/photo/339195734/339196157yxIDkM Paul From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu May 5 17:38:15 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> Hello Tom, I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed Dies. I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes in the needed direction to get everything to fit. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hi List, > > I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have > restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for the > busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier cast > iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without some > fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking my > worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the > exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to be > firing the mag near bottom dead center. > > I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set and > the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the mag > timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear > relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm > running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only > alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the > timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of trial > and error (mostly error). > > What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Thu May 5 18:27:33 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:27:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm><001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> Hi Ed, Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I can't make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if I reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual ) and rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what should work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going to do the job. BTW, you were the only one to reply. Have a nice weekend, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hello Tom, > > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed > Dies. > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes > in > the needed direction to get everything to fit. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Smith" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > >> Hi List, >> >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for > the >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier > cast >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without >> some >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking > my >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to >> be >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. >> >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set >> and >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the >> mag >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of >> trial >> and error (mostly error). >> >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. >> >> Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 5 21:51:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:51:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <01f201c551f7$37ad6690$0301a8c0@Cam> Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri May 6 06:09:27 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:09:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <027101c5523c$d574e390$0301a8c0@Cam> Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri May 6 06:18:37 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:18:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check Message-ID: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ivancou at alltel.net Fri May 6 07:04:00 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <000701c55244$743f81e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> No, but its only 10:01 am on this side . Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri May 6 04:44:45 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 07:44:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm><001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms><00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> Tom, If I had to do it over, I would ask Hit & Miss to not drill the holes for the mag, use the broken bracket as a pattern and drill them my self. As I remember there was interference with one of the bracket mounting bolts. Some folks put the FMZ almost next to maytag. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hi Ed, > > Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I can't > make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if I > reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual ) and > rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what should > work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going to do the > job. > BTW, you were the only one to reply. > > Have a nice weekend, > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ED" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > > > Hello Tom, > > > > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed > > Dies. > > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes > > in > > the needed direction to get everything to fit. > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Smith" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM > > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > > > > >> Hi List, > >> > >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have > >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for > > the > >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier > > cast > >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without > >> some > >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking > > my > >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the > >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to > >> be > >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. > >> > >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set > >> and > >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the > >> mag > >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear > >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm > >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only > >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the > >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of > >> trial > >> and error (mostly error). > >> > >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri May 6 07:43:31 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:43:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Message-ID: <427B8293.8080908@imc-group.com> Did a little work last night on the Baker Monitor. The last 5 frames at the bottom of the page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Enjoy, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri May 6 07:46:59 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Check In-Reply-To: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> I got this. Gary cam grundy wrote: > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri May 6 09:03:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 02:03:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <002f01c55255$19062ca0$0301a8c0@Cam> Thanks Garry, I think I'm just a bit impatient. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check >I got this. > > Gary > > cam grundy wrote: >> Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am >> Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford 2250 >> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 6 07:15:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:15:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: Not a heck of a lot, Cam, and I'm on three lists. People are finally getting outside I guess. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ottawa at pa.net Fri May 6 07:00:29 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:00:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <018001c55243$f7e20b40$38f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Cam, Below is a copy of the last message I saw from the List except your test messages. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ************************************************************** From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM Hi Ed, Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I can't make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if I reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual ) and rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what should work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going to do the job. BTW, you were the only one to reply. Have a nice weekend, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hello Tom, > > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed > Dies. > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes > in > the needed direction to get everything to fit. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Smith" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > >> Hi List, >> >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for > the >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier > cast >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without >> some >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking > my >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to >> be >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. >> >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set >> and >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the >> mag >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of >> trial >> and error (mostly error). >> >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. >> >> Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: cam grundy To: LISTMAIL Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia _______________________________________________ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 6 10:18:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:18:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <009301c55096$44d1be00$0fb21fd3@morris> References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> <009301c55096$44d1be00$0fb21fd3@morris> Message-ID: <6f6025160505061018518d0f1d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/05, Kerry wrote: > G'Day Peter > > Just to keep the Hornsby thing going I have a book on Hornsby Petrol Engines > (1912) Portable or Stationary showing engines from 2hp to130hp including > Petrol Driven Dynamos and not one of them are Two Flywheel types. I don,t > think I have seen for real a twin flywheel Hornsby. must have kept them all > over your side of the pond. > > Kerry It certainly seems that way! I'll have to ask Ray Hooley if he knows of a valid reason for this apparent anomaly. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 6 10:20:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:20:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <200505050013.j450DMlW053892@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> <200505050013.j450DMlW053892@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605050610207fe38fd3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/5/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, > > and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. > > Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! > > High res, please! > > Rob > Parked on Ray's web page hitting refresh every ten seconds. Sorry, Rob, I've been on my back with a stomach bug for a couple of days. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri May 6 11:02:21 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:02:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Another One Running Message-ID: <1b9.12ffbff8.2fad0b2d@aol.com> Hi List, The Maytag Model 92 I picked up at the Paso Robles swap meet is now in running condition. The fuel pick up tube and check valve was cleaned. The gas tank was also drained and new gasoline was added. The high tension cable was missing and a replacement was installed. After the first time it started, the starter over ride clutch was making noise. The addition of a little oil cured the problem. It starts on the second kick. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From bill at antique-engines.com Fri May 6 11:10:30 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT- tractor question In-Reply-To: <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <2888.165.206.180.144.1115403030.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I'm working on an IH 3514 hydrostatic loader tractor. The governor is shot - the nut that holds the gear was gone, the front bearing really nasty loose and rough, the back bearing is, well, I can only find parts of it, lots of pieces messed up, missing or broken. Where can I find a governor or the parts to fix one? I find nothing at all in the phone book and we have to Central Tractor or anything similar around here - they all went bust or moved out. I'd like to find parts soon - if I fix it, I can borrow it to move some dirt here. Bill Runnells, IA From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri May 6 11:13:46 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:13:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble In-Reply-To: <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Well, I got a Maytag 72, so I suppose I have two examples of the bottom of the barrel. It looks like whomever cast the repro bracket would have gone to the trouble to do it right. My Z was also missing the gov parts so I was missing more than just the bracket. I've got a milling machine and could have made the cast iron assembly work by milling space under the bracket to clear mounting nuts but wanted to keep it "original". Course, the cast iron assembly with the Bosch mag isn't original to my later issue engine anyway. Have a nice weekend and thanks again for your help, Tom On Fri, 6 May 2005 07:44:45 -0400 "ED" wrote: > Tom, > > If I had to do it over, I would ask Hit & Miss to not drill the >holes for > the mag, use the broken bracket as a pattern and drill them my self. >As I > remember there was interference with one of the bracket mounting >bolts. > > Some folks put the FMZ almost next to maytag. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Smith" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I >>can't >> make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if >>I >> reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual >>) and >> rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what >>should >> work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going >>to do > the >> job. >> BTW, you were the only one to reply. >> >> Have a nice weekend, >> >> Tom >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ED" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble >> >> >> > Hello Tom, >> > >> > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & >>Miss, Ed >> > Dies. >> > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the >>holes >> > in >> > the needed direction to get everything to fit. >> > >> > Ed Stoller >> > New Fairfield, CT >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Tom Smith" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble >> > >> > >> >> Hi List, >> >> >> >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp >>engine. I > have >> >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a >>replacement for >> > the >> >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a >>earlier >> > cast >> >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag >>without >> >> some >> >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag > thinking >> > my >> >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right >>on > the >> >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag >>appears to >> >> be >> >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. >> >> >> >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the >>replaced set >> >> and >> >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure >>why the >> >> mag >> >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing >>gear >> >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual >>assumes > I'm >> >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers >>(only >> >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack >>with the >> >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit >>of >> >> trial >> >> and error (mostly error). >> >> >> >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri May 6 11:49:32 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:49:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- tractor question Message-ID: <8d.2688bf9d.2fad163c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/6/2005 1:43:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: I find nothing at all in the phone book and we have to Central Tractor or anything similar around here - they all went bust or moved out. I'd like to find parts soon - if I fix it, I can borrow it to move some dirt here. Bill Runnells, IA Hi Bill, Try this. Ron _Valu-Bilt Tractor Parts: Our Heritage_ (http://www.valu-bilt.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=about_us_page.htm&UID=2005050611172068) From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri May 6 13:03:46 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:03:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor References: <427A3737.4060606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004e01c55276$b788edb0$c7466e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, The pictures were great. Now a few odds and ends from my Monitor experience. The shaft seals and individual bearings on the cam shaft work fine. The new bearings are 660 bronze from MacMaster-Carr. The shaft is set up pretty tight but runs fine with no heating, the seals also seem to be doing exactly what they are supposed to do. The gear wear that you show in the picture is exactly the same thing that I saw. The 20 tooth gear was worn the same as yours. This gear is probably too small for the job, if the Monitor were ever to be redesigned this gear should probably be a lot wider although it took a long time to get it this way. The mating gear looked fine although I did not attempt to measure tooth thickness just eyeballed it. I drilled and tapped both ends of the new camshaft for a 1/4 20 screw and used that to hold on two custom made washers to keep the gears on. The original setup had both gears pressed on. this might have been OK at the factory but I thought this was a much easier way to do it. I don't have a press big enough to get the block into to press this together and did not think it was worth the trouble to try fab up something like a big C clamp for a one shot deal that I will probably never need again. The first run of this engine was two days at Tulare and then one day at the March Field truck show. Ran fine except that oil came out of the mains at a pretty good rate and really made a mess. I was gradually cutting back on the oil, trying to make sure there was enough for the splash system and yet not to much to slop out. I was going along pretty cautious here until I met a fellow club member who has an identical engine. He has been running his with about an inch of oil in the crankcase. I drained quite a bit out and this seems to have made a great improvement in the mess factor. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor > I've started this page on our website to track progress on Devin's Baker > Monitor engine. Though a running engine, there is a fair amount of wear on > it and we are repairing many items. Our goal is to work on this hot and > heavy this summer and get the engine ready for the Portland show in > August. > A few weeks ago I asked the list if you knew the offset between the > cylinder and the crankshaft centerlines. After careful measuring we > determined the correct offset is .750. This amount of offset was a > complete surprise. > I'll keep adding to this web page and reposting it thru the summer as we > make progress. Hope you will find it as entertaining as Devin and I are. > > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri May 6 13:50:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:50:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? Message-ID: <1c8.284711b3.2fad328a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/5/2005 3:50:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << Its a hit and miss Luke. >> Tommy, is it also a 1/2 base engine with a full base underneath the 1/2 base? Looks like a nice engine, the tank is not original, but has a clutch pulley, original guard, etc. Without seeing close up, it appears to be mostly original and worth a few big bucks! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Fri May 6 15:20:38 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:20:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <002701c55289$dade5c10$c0218b90@userd6162315ba> Yes ! Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri May 6 15:58:13 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:58:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another One Running References: <1b9.12ffbff8.2fad0b2d@aol.com> Message-ID: <002001c5528f$17efa730$3886a5d8@mycomputer> It starts on the second kick. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > Hi Francis ; You only have to kick it ? Wow you must have a good one, If you threaten it with an axe it may start on its own , Dave Rotigel can help you in that area , I have four of them and I would never ever kick one of them, sombody someday will get totaly drunk and geve me what I invested in them ... :-))) Rex _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 5 14:17:38 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:17:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? References: Message-ID: <001401c551b7$e1553550$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Luke, this engine with serial # A1193E is an early 1907 8 hp tank cooled gasoline engine with a G398 mixer used 1905-14, so it has to be hit-'n-miss. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web International 8 h.p. 'A1193E' Horiz. http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 6 19:34:10 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:34:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <1c8.284711b3.2fad328a@aol.com> References: <1c8.284711b3.2fad328a@aol.com> Message-ID: <427C2922.7030200@scrtc.com> Tom, Yeah, it has the IHC sub base under it. Most of the IHC's used the sub base to make them a "full base" engine. Some of the real early IHC's had a single casting making the full base. Pretty few and far between though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/5/2005 3:50:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > ><< Its a hit and miss Luke. >> > > Tommy, is it also a 1/2 base engine with a full base underneath the 1/2 >base? Looks like a nice engine, the tank is not original, but has a clutch >pulley, original guard, etc. Without seeing close up, it appears to be mostly >original and worth a few big bucks! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at mac.com Fri May 6 20:07:38 2005 From: transteck at mac.com (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:07:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- testing new mailbox Message-ID: Hi all, I'm working on moving my mailbox. This is a test and I have added a few pictures for your viewing pleasure. They are at: http://homepage.mac.com/transteck/PhotoAlbum1.html Might have to copy and paste that. Nuff for tonight. Hope this works. Jeff Allen From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri May 6 20:23:57 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:23:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- testing new mailbox Message-ID: <30.7224e4b9.2fad8ecd@aol.com> Hi Jeff, Nice pictures. What is the white automobile? Is it an electric? Ron In a message dated 5/6/2005 10:20:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, transteck at mac.com writes: Hi all, I'm working on moving my mailbox. This is a test and I have added a few pictures for your viewing pleasure. They are at: http://homepage.mac.com/transteck/PhotoAlbum1.html Might have to copy and paste that. Nuff for tonight. Hope this works. Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 6 21:21:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:21:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- testing new mailbox In-Reply-To: <30.7224e4b9.2fad8ecd@aol.com> References: <30.7224e4b9.2fad8ecd@aol.com> Message-ID: <427C4241.2070005@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, I'll look through the other photos and see if I have a good shot of what it is. Tonight I was testing the Mac, and the new mail address. I got kicked around pretty good. I took over 100 photos at the museum, and I put up 45 to test the Mac site. Pretty cool stuff once figured out, and the slide show is a nice feature. My favorite is the Big Boy locomotive, and it's hard to shoot that indoors. It's 135 feet long and that's a tough shot indoors, but I love the old steam locomotives. We'll be driving up to Cheyenne, WY to shoot another one this summer. It's outdoors and a better photo op. Time to put this old body in the easy chair and then some zzz's. Thanks for the comments. More pics to come. Jeff Allen MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Jeff, >Nice pictures. What is the white automobile? Is it an electric? >Ron > >In a message dated 5/6/2005 10:20:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >transteck at mac.com writes: > >Hi all, > >I'm working on moving my mailbox. This is a test and I have added a few >pictures for your viewing pleasure. They are at: >http://homepage.mac.com/transteck/PhotoAlbum1.html > >Might have to copy and paste that. Nuff for tonight. Hope this works. > >Jeff Allen > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri May 6 21:41:54 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 00:41:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Snag/Info Needed Message-ID: <1c4.27e3770e.2fada112@aol.com> Hi List, Today was not productive for me. I opened up the crankcase on my second Fairbanks Morse ZD, removed the crankshaft and started to reinstall the replacement crankshaft. Then, I noticed a difference between the two crankshafts. The rod journal on the original measured about 0.995" diameter and the replacement crankshaft rod journal measured 1.125" diameter. This is a difference of about 1/8". All other measurements seem to be in the ball park. One of the previous owners made a replacement flywheel and then welded this new flywheel to the crankshaft. However, he didn't correctly align the flywheel to the crankshaft and the flywheel wobbles. This is the reason why I wanted to change out the flywheel crankshaft assembly. By the way, this welded flywheel has no mark on the rim for timing the magneto. I have been trying to establish a timing mark using the replacement flywheel timing mark as a reference in case I have to reuse this original assembly. The engine from which I obtained the replacement flywheel assembly has a stuck piston. I was considering removing this rod and piston assembly and, then, install this assembly into the restoration engine. I don't know if this will work as I haven't been able to make any measurements in this area. Does anyone know if these parts are interchangeable? Another thing that was surprising was the valve lifter mechanism in the restoration engine is quite a bit different than the other ZD engines that I have. This valve system has a valve lifter cam/follower assembly that swings on a ball like device between the cam and the end of the valves. At this time, I have not have any idea how to adjust the valves on this latter engine. All the data that I have been able to obtain on these engines regarding valve lash adjustment use shims inside a hollow valve cam follower. Can someone help me on how to adjust the valve tip clearance on this engine? >From the serial number, 730331, this engine was built in 1929. There is no dip stick on the restoration engine - the oil filler elbow is mounted on the front of the bottom crankcase. Nor is there a removal seal on the end of the crankshaft opposite the flywheel - it is part of the casting. The oil dipper on the connecting rod is mounted on the front of the connecting rod cap. The connecting rod oil dipper dips into the oil at the bottom of the crankcase. There is no dipper oil retainer box at the bottom of the crankcase. What kind of ZD do I have? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat May 7 01:37:06 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:37:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Check Message-ID: <004501c552df$f3dcddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Thanks very much for the replies, everything back to normal, had a small problem with Ozemail. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat May 7 02:39:34 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 04:39:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble In-Reply-To: References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <427C8CD6.2060600@wightman.ca> Hey Tom, Don't knock a Z. :-) I have had more fun with that engine than any other in my collection. Mine is not a pretty engine but runs like a champ and I use it to buzz limbs up for firewood every year. Mine is a 3 hp ignitor model (1917) so I was unable to provide you with an answer. Fairbanks Morse engines are far from the bottom of the barrel. Duncan Tom Smith wrote: > Well, I got a Maytag 72, so I suppose I have two examples of the > bottom of the barrel. > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 6 06:43:44 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:43:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <008001c55241$9f410ec0$a65bef18@pengy> Yes I got your post! Rick in Youngstown 9:43 am ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sat May 7 10:02:29 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:02:29 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: Check References: <004501c552df$f3dcddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <427CF4A5.000001.02772@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Cam got you hear at 09.45 this morning Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: cam grundy Date: 05/07/05 09:49:06 To: LISTMAIL Subject: [SEL] Re: Check Thanks very much for the replies, everything back to normal, had a small problem with Ozemail. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 11:11:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:11:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me Message-ID: Howdy gang; Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ TIA RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 11:26:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:26:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc. pinstriper Message-ID: Thought you all might be interested in the description of this ebay auction. Very possibly could be the gentleman that passed away a few years back. He pinstriped at the Herc. factory, and a few of you have met him. He definetly had "The Touch." ...best pinstriping on a Gal that I've ever seen!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7513467211 Description: You are bidding on my pride and joy! 1 ? HP William Galloway Co. Fan cooled gas engine on original cart with original bent wire pull. I bought this 5 years ago from a gentleman that restored it and had taken it to many engine shows and won 1st prize. This engine is fully operational. The only flaw worth mentioning is that has some paint crazing around the lower housing has occurred. This engine was meticulously restored in the early 80's and hand pin striped by a man that was over 80 years old at the time. He had been pin striping since his youth staring out in an engine factory. I would venture to say that the quality and attention to detail is unequalled. I would not be selling this but my current financial situation warrants me to do so. Buyer will pay for shipping or pick up. This engine is truly a work of art and I have had this inside since I have owned it. As you can see from the pictures this is a one of a kind! I have seen lesser engines sell for over $3,500.00. Email or call with questions. 319-234-5678. NO RESERVE!! Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. PS: Usual disclaimer From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 11:41:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:41:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor References: <427B8293.8080908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Nice Curt!! So where is http://www.martinsprocket.com/home.htm located? They never give their location. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor > Did a little work last night on the Baker Monitor. > The last 5 frames at the bottom of the page. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat May 7 12:23:49 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:23:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: Message-ID: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site he has a beautiful one. http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html Watch your fingers! John H. > Howdy gang; > > Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ > > TIA > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat May 7 13:05:56 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:05:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050507160456.0dc449f8@mail.alltel.net> At 03:23 PM 5/7/2005, you wrote: >Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? >It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site >he has a beautiful one. >http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > >Watch your fingers! > >John H. Hey John, Fingers are the least of Rick's problem--they don't hang down! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 13:35:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:35:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks John..and Rob and Kelley also!! The download was well worth the wait, and one must wonder what Kelley was telling the kids? Smell? Ya, it smelled just vonerful. It would look great next to the belt driven meat grinder I have...and the gophers are out. Let the huntin' begin!!! later gang RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? > It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site > he has a beautiful one. > http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > > Watch your fingers! > > John H. > > > > > Howdy gang; > > > > Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 13:41:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:41:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050507160456.0dc449f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Damn gravity anyway!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > At 03:23 PM 5/7/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? > >It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site > >he has a beautiful one. > >http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > > > >Watch your fingers! > > > >John H. > > Hey John, Fingers are the least of Rick's problem--they don't hang down! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 14:02:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:02:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Reminds me of a story about my bud "TJ." Well TJ didn't like cranking the meat grinder so he installed a v-belt pulley and a motor and away he went. Yup, you guessed it..we call him "Stubby" now..took the first joint off on the social finger. "Go to TJ's house but don't eat the hamburger" is a common saying around here. Same guy shot himself in the foot, quick drawing against himself in a mirror. But his wife and kids luv him:-)) enuf fer now, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky Harris" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Thanks John..and Rob and Kelley also!! The download was well worth the > wait, and one must wonder what Kelley was telling the kids? > > Smell? Ya, it smelled just vonerful. It would look great next to the > belt driven meat grinder I have...and the gophers are out. Let the > huntin' begin!!! > > > later gang > RickinMt. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? > > It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site > > he has a beautiful one. > > http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > > > > Watch your fingers! > > > > John H. > > > > > > > > > Howdy gang; > > > > > > Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ > > > > > > TIA > > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat May 7 14:26:26 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:26:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050507160456.0dc449f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Hey John, Fingers are the least of Rick's problem--they don't > hang down! > Dave But Dave, What DOES on an engineman who has recently discovered some old iron? Oops... I'm sorry... I thoughtlessly hit the "send" button before thinking that there might be "issues" that would make this an uncomfortable subject. Bob Dole got some pills to fix that. Rick, That's certainly a bone cutter. It looks like a Mann's to me, but she's different than ours. Is she all there? Is she the floor model? If yes to both, she NEEDS to be rescued from the elements. You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They love the hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the greasy bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to the disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings examining glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you convince the kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've come close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. Good luck! Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 7 15:47:17 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story of how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said family car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They love the > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the greasy > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to the > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings examining > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you convince the > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've come > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 17:12:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:12:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Will it grind up horns? I could then sell the powder to the ? or keep about a ton for myself, eh? Rob, after I get over the shock of the painted barbie, I/we will definetly try to rescue the bone grinder. I must admit that I was trespassing on this new found "Glory Hole." Anyone got a picture of a 2.5hp hopper cooled horizontal Famous? The hopper that the top slants down to the front? May have found some pieces. Whew, I need a cold shower! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery to me > Hi Rob, > > Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for > when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story of > how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under > the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said family > car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They > > love the > > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the > > greasy > > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to > > the > > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings > > examining > > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you > > convince the > > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've > > come > > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat May 7 20:33:28 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 23:33:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Rick - looking at the photo one of the most important parts is there I wouldn't hesitate in a moment on grabing it. The one Ron and Kelley have is one I picked up in NY. I have another one I found in MN and a Humphry one from MO plus another small one. I saw a different one at the Hudson, NY show that was made in Erie, PA (but it wasn't for sale). These don't actually grind the bone into powder and are called "Bone Cutters". You don't see very many around. I would just guess but at the right auction a good one would bring pretty good money I'll have to see what I have for literture on them. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Will it grind up horns? I could then sell the powder to the ? or keep > about a ton for myself, eh? > > Rob, after I get over the shock of the painted barbie, I/we will > definetly try to rescue the bone grinder. I must admit that I was > trespassing on this new found "Glory Hole." > > > Anyone got a picture of a 2.5hp hopper cooled horizontal Famous? The > hopper that the top slants down to the front? > May have found some pieces. > > Whew, I need a cold shower! > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery to me > > >> Hi Rob, >> >> Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for >> when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story of >> how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under >> the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said family >> car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. >> 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They >> > love the >> > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the >> > greasy >> > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to >> > the >> > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings >> > examining >> > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you >> > convince the >> > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've >> > come >> > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat May 7 20:38:25 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:38:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Flywheel Magneto Timing Mark Question Message-ID: <19d.336a49ab.2faee3b1@aol.com> Hi List, Here I go again. I have two Fairbanks Morse ZD flywheel crankshaft assemblies which are pressed together. The problem I am having is that the flywheel magneto timing mark on the rim are NOT in same relative position on both assemblies. Using the reference tooth (beveled) on the crankshaft (camshaft mating gear) timing gear, one assembly has its timing mark is about 90 degrees clockwise (opposite the rod journal) facing the rear of the flywheel. On the other assembly, the same relative flywheel timing mark is about 195 degree. Which one is correct? One of these assemblies must have been pressed together incorrectly. I don't think that the flywheel could have rotated on the crankshaft. Is there any other procedure (other than using the flywheel timing mark) available to time the magneto? On the bright side, the good thing about finding these discrepancies, it tends to make the gray matter work in an overtime mode. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat May 7 21:04:52 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:04:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Flywheel Magneto Timing Mark Question Message-ID: Hi Francis, Can't you determine top dead center by pulling the plug and sticking a dowel pin in a little ways, wedging it securely, then turning the flywheel gently until the piston touches? Mark a place on the flywheel and then turn the other way until the piston touches again. Mark that place. Halfway between them is top dead center and half way between the going the other way is bottom dead center. You can run a tape around the flywheel, determine the circumference, and with your pocket calculator you can divide the circumference into 360 parts and find the degree distances from TDC that concern you. Once you get this worked out, you are ready to time the magneto to fire at your choice of marks. Once you get it running, I suggest you make new marks using a chisel or punch. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 5/7/2005 10:56:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, FRM8198 at aol.com writes: Is there any other procedure (other than using the flywheel timing mark) available to time the magneto? On the bright side, the good thing about finding these discrepancies, it tends to make the gray matter work in an overtime mode. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From transteck at earthlink.net Sat May 7 21:34:28 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:34:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mothers Day Message-ID: <427D96D4.5040000@earthlink.net> Hi all, Might have come and gone for some on the list, and maybe you don't celebrate it. We do. Chicken on the barbecue and a time to try to pay back. Give your mom a hug, a dinner, or a call. Damn thankful I'll have a house full tomorrow and both of our mothers are still with us. For all you moms: HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!! Jeff From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat May 7 23:53:29 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:53:29 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stainless Steel ? Message-ID: <000501c5539a$a898eab0$629581cb@ogborneuah38i3> We have a project ......the manufacture of a number of 150mm[ 6''] discs. These discs will be to a finished thickness of 2mm. We want a low creep stainless steel . The rotational speed of these discs will be in the vicinity of at least 20,000 rpm, hopefully more.They will be operating at saturated steam temps. Locally we can only obtain 316 and a marine grade. Does any one know the creep characteristics of these two grades . The marine grade is no doubt a Ferritic grade. It may be a case of using what we can get ........there are over 60 grades i am told . As you may gather we are building a steam turbine. I would really appreciate any help from anyone who has some knowledge . Thanks Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 8 00:43:36 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 03:43:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Flywheel Magneto Timing Mark Question Message-ID: <1da.3bb85927.2faf1d28@aol.com> In a message dated 05/07/2005 9:25:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: > Once you get it running, I suggest you make new marks using a > chisel or punch. Thanks Ron Francis From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 07:28:26 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:28:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet to communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a real Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. Cork has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any help dealing with a widow would be appreciated. As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but only at your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) Take Care and thanks again! Rick, with Cork on the side ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Rick - looking at the photo one of the most important parts is there > I wouldn't hesitate in a moment on grabing it. The one Ron and Kelley have > is one I picked up in NY. I have another one I found in MN and a Humphry > one from MO plus another small one. I saw a different one at the Hudson, > NY > show that was made in Erie, PA (but it wasn't for sale). These don't > actually > grind the bone into powder and are called "Bone Cutters". You don't see > very > many around. I would just guess but at the right auction a good one would > bring pretty good money I'll have to see what I have for literture on > them. > > Charlie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > Will it grind up horns? I could then sell the powder to the ? or keep > > about a ton for myself, eh? > > > > Rob, after I get over the shock of the painted barbie, I/we will > > definetly try to rescue the bone grinder. I must admit that I was > > trespassing on this new found "Glory Hole." > > > > > > Anyone got a picture of a 2.5hp hopper cooled horizontal Famous? The > > hopper that the top slants down to the front? > > May have found some pieces. > > > > Whew, I need a cold shower! > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > > >> Hi Rob, > >> > >> Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for > >> when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story > >> of > >> how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under > >> the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said > >> family > >> car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. > >> 8-)) > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > >> > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They > >> > love the > >> > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle > >> > the > >> > greasy > >> > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional > >> > to > >> > the > >> > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings > >> > examining > >> > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you > >> > convince the > >> > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've > >> > come > >> > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 08:15:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:15:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T One the wife on Mother's Day should enjoy Message-ID: Howdy all; Here's one the wife should enjoy on Mother's Day: Crank up the volume http://www.usna54.net/donsong.htm enjoy RickinMt. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat May 7 16:04:31 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:04:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Reminds me of a story about my bud "TJ." Well TJ didn't like cranking the > meat grinder so he installed a v-belt pulley and a motor and away he went. > Yup, you guessed it..we call him "Stubby" now..took the first joint off on > the social finger. "Go to TJ's house but don't eat the hamburger" is a > common saying around here. > Same guy shot himself in the foot, quick drawing against himself in a > mirror. But his wife and kids luv him:-)) > enuf fer now, > RickinMt. Hi Rick, so the rumours we hear about Yanks are actually true? I thought it was all invented. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 8 09:31:36 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:31:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505081631.j48GVf3U097215@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- >Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we >have yet to communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer, >" this guy created a real Goldmine. There are a few gas >engines there mainly in pieces. >We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a >widow. Cork has tried to call her, no answer, left >message, no returned call. Any help dealing with a widow >would be appreciated. >As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic >reading, but only at your convience which is rare this >time of year :-)) >Take Care and thanks again! Rick, with Cork on the side Hi Rick, Ken Christison has some pdf's of bone cutter manuals. Go to his web page at http://www.syrupmakers.com then click on something like "Ken's Hobbies" then click on something like "manuals and catalogs." He has some good stuff. Rob From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun May 8 09:40:40 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:40:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <004701c553ec$acf9da90$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet to > communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a real > Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. > We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. Cork > has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any help > dealing with a widow would be appreciated. > As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but only at > your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) > Take Care and thanks again! > Rick, with Cork on the side Hi Rich, I hope you have better luck than me! A chap a from few miles away showed me a F & J 3 HP that was the same as the one I was showing at a show. (A rare engine in England) There were a few other O/C engines in the yard with sheets over. He told me he had a large shed full of old engines but it wasn't convenient at the time to show me. Within a year he had died & I have rung his widow twice a year for the last 15 years & she always says "Oh yes Mr Croft me must sort that out shortly" Needless to say nothing ever happens! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 8 11:04:20 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:04:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <96e87d7f9ffc76f82a73720e05d1ea30@chartertn.net> >> Same guy shot himself in the foot, quick drawing against himself in a >> mirror. But his wife and kids luv him:-)) I'm thinking it wouldn't've been a whole lot better if he'd shot the mirror. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 11:55:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:55:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: No Dave..what you hear is all true...from licking cold swing set pipes in the winter, to falling trees on our new trucks. Course I've never done any of these. We jus steer away from admitting it later, Rick > > Hi Rick, so the rumours we hear about Yanks are actually true? > I thought it was all invented. 8^) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 12:20:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:20:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505081631.j48GVf3U097215@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Well thanks for the link Rob and thank you Ken for putting it up. "The Laying Hen is the Paying Hen" caught my eye but won't go there on Mothers Day. At least Mann wasn't responsible for Mad Hen disease, but I've been chased by some pretty pi$$ed off ones, missing their heads. Always wondered how they knew where I was ????? later gang RickinMt...and Happy Mothers Day to all you Mothers > > Hi Rick, > Ken Christison has some pdf's of bone cutter manuals. Go to his web page > at > http://www.syrupmakers.com then click on > something > like "Ken's Hobbies" then click on something like "manuals and catalogs." > He > has some good stuff. > > Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 15:22:55 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:22:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bone cutter Message-ID: Here ya go gang: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512640459 RickinMt. From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 8 16:09:22 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 17:09:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bone cutter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427E9C22.3090407@earthlink.net> He has two of em up for sale. Click his other items to see both. Jeff Richard Strobel wrote: >Here ya go gang: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512640459 > >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 8 17:22:11 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050509002211.23493.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave,,, Rick,,,, I urge both of you to proceed with caution,,,, So far I have talked with three different guys that knew a collector about 135 miles north of where I live. He had one-of-a-kind engines and cars made in short numbers in small towns. Over 100 very rare cars and over 200 rare engines. He always was ready to offer advice to other collectors, but he wouldn't EVER sell anything. When he died several guys approched his widow too soon and she called a crusher in and stood there until everything was distroyed!!!! I don't know,,, Maybe she was the one that was the really tight horder all the time. This all happened about 30 years ago, but the folks that knew the man will never forget what was lost. They said that when the guy was asked if he would sell an engine he just would say,"Maybe someday." I really feel that if the wife had died first all those cars and engines would still be someones treasures. Alan Bowen --- Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet to > > communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a real > > Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. > > We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. Cork > > has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any help > > dealing with a widow would be appreciated. > > As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but only at > > your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) > > Take Care and thanks again! > > Rick, with Cork on the side > > Hi Rich, I hope you have better luck than me! > A chap a from few miles away showed me a F & J > 3 HP that was the same as the one I was showing at a show. > (A rare engine in England) > There were a few other O/C engines in the yard with sheets over. > He told me he had a large shed full of old engines but it wasn't > convenient at the time to show me. > Within a year he had died & I have rung his widow twice a year for the last > 15 years & she always says "Oh yes Mr Croft me must sort that out shortly" > Needless to say nothing ever happens! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 18:12:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:12:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <20050509002211.23493.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe it was in his will to sell everything and give the money to his chippie :-)) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Dave,,, Rick,,,, > I urge both of you to proceed with caution,,,, > > So far I have talked with three different guys that knew a collector about > 135 miles north of > where I live. He had one-of-a-kind engines and cars made in short numbers > in small towns. Over > 100 very rare cars and over 200 rare engines. He always was ready to > offer advice to other > collectors, but he wouldn't EVER sell anything. When he died several guys > approched his widow too > soon and she called a crusher in and stood there until everything was > distroyed!!!! > > I don't know,,, Maybe she was the one that was the really tight horder all > the time. This all > happened about 30 years ago, but the folks that knew the man will never > forget what was lost. They > said that when the guy was asked if he would sell an engine he just would > say,"Maybe someday." I > really feel that if the wife had died first all those cars and engines > would still be someones > treasures. > > Alan Bowen > > > > > --- Dave Croft wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > > > > Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet > > > to > > > communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a > > > real > > > Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. > > > We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. > > > Cork > > > has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any > > > help > > > dealing with a widow would be appreciated. > > > As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but > > > only at > > > your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) > > > Take Care and thanks again! > > > Rick, with Cork on the side > > > > Hi Rich, I hope you have better luck than me! > > A chap a from few miles away showed me a F & J > > 3 HP that was the same as the one I was showing at a show. > > (A rare engine in England) > > There were a few other O/C engines in the yard with sheets over. > > He told me he had a large shed full of old engines but it wasn't > > convenient at the time to show me. > > Within a year he had died & I have rung his widow twice a year for the > > last > > 15 years & she always says "Oh yes Mr Croft me must sort that out > > shortly" > > Needless to say nothing ever happens! > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Sun May 8 18:51:23 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:51:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mothers Day In-Reply-To: <427D96D4.5040000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks jeff! All I got from my son was to baby sit my 14 year old grandson all week end. I lost my Mother a year ago on May 14th (just a week after Mother's Day last year. Happy Early Father's day to you. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Jeff Allen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Oldengine list , The SEL email >discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Mothers Day >Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:34:28 -0600 > >Hi all, > >Might have come and gone for some on the list, and maybe you don't >celebrate it. We do. Chicken on the barbecue and a time to try to pay back. >Give your mom a hug, a dinner, or a call. Damn thankful I'll have a house >full tomorrow and both of our mothers are still with us. > >For all you moms: > >HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!! > >Jeff > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun May 8 20:02:25 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:02:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me!!!! Message-ID: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks to those of you who are reading this O.T. message. My twin sister gave my younger sister an almost new HP3820 Deskjet Color Printer. She said she could not get it to work on her computer so I told her to bring it to me. I did not have a driver on my pc for it but downloaded one from the HP website and then checked out the printer on my pc and it worked great. I told her to come and get it and she did and she called me tonight and said it would not work on her computer so I loaded up and drove out to her house. The first thing I did was to uninstall the printer driver she had downloaded and re-install the printer driver from the HP website and it installed fine but when you went to print a test page it did nothing. Further troubleshooting revealed that the computer was not recognizing the LPT1 port which was where the printer was assigned to go. I went to "My Computer" right click on properties, went to device manager and discovered that there is no listing in the list for "ports", nothing, no Com Port or LPT1. The USB hub is listed and active but there is no "Ports" listed. Can someone tell me if there is anything I can do to get the computer to list the "ports" in the device manager listing? If I can get the computer to recognize the "ports" I can probably get it to print. Thanks in advance for the help. Paul From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon May 9 03:27:00 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 05:27:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stainless Steel ? In-Reply-To: <000501c5539a$a898eab0$629581cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c5539a$a898eab0$629581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <427F3AF4.5040808@wightman.ca> Hi Peter, Try this site. http://www.matweb.com I didn't have time to check but you may find what you are looking for there. Duncan peter ogborne wrote: > We have a project ......the manufacture of a number of 150mm[ 6''] > discs. These discs will be to a finished thickness of 2mm. We want a > low creep stainless steel . The rotational speed of these discs will > be in the vicinity of at least 20,000 rpm, hopefully more.They will be > operating at saturated steam temps. > Locally we can only obtain 316 and a marine grade. Does any one know > the creep characteristics of these two grades . The marine grade is no > doubt a Ferritic grade. It may be a case of using what we can get > ........there are over 60 grades i am told . > As you may gather we are building a steam turbine. I would really > appreciate any help from anyone who has some knowledge . > Thanks > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon May 9 04:28:11 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:28:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal has landed Message-ID: Hi All, got my Regal home today.A nice little day trip to pick it up but a heavy sod to load.By the look of it this engine did very little work as the gears,bearings and rings are like new.It is a shame the head was lost when sent in for repairs 60 years ago but then it is a wonder it never ended up as scrap iron in the next 40 years before my friend got it.It has a 6'' bore so i would presume it to be about 6hp.Does anyone know what the original colour was as my friend cant remember what it was when he got it.He cleaned it down and primed it when he first got.This has protected it fairly well as he lives about 500 yards from the sea and the salt isn't very kind toold iron there wether it be in a shed or outside. Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Update your mobile with a hot polyphonic ringtone: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=template&contentType=PolyphonicRingTone From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 9 04:32:51 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:32:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Bone cutter Message-ID: <206.9f424f.2fb0a463@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2005 7:37:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << He has two of em up for sale >> Jeff, >From the looks of the background in the pictures it looks like a good place to walk around and look some more! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Mon May 9 04:36:46 2005 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:36:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re. Mystery to me Message-ID: Rick, Yep it sure looks like a big one, as Charlie said it has that one piece i'm missing. The "patented automatic feed pressure put-er-on-er thingie" that is on the screw above the plate assembly. I'd sure love to get a hold of one of those, maybe even have a copy cast if you pick it up. Here are a few pics of mine. http://community.webshots.com/album/34023214virxLr/2 Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 9 04:55:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:55:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Woodworking-Lumber Yard PLayset In-Reply-To: <000d01c551d1$dd07ae50$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Very neat Paul. Nicely done. I like the mustache's on the little guys in the truck. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Woodworking-Lumber Yard PLayset >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:23:06 -0500 > >Hello Gang, > >My 10 year old grandson ask me if I would build him a Lumber Yard Playset >so I built him one. I am just posting this so those who want to can look at >the pictures, maybe help pass the time away. I made the little truck to go >with it, my wife did the painting. The little men in the truck were turned >out on my miniature lathe. It is not iron work but is enjoyable none the >less. > >http://client.webshots.com/photo/339195734/339196157yxIDkM > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 9 06:06:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:06:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Green bone and vege cutter Message-ID: Here's another picture if anyones interested: http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/341179684FjeQPx RickinMt. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 9 09:54:28 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:54:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <003a01c554b7$c5a7e430$230110ac@PAUL> Is the List down? From rotigel at alltel.net Sun May 8 17:03:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:03:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050508200151.0dc253f8@mail.alltel.net> > Any help dealing with a widow would be appreciated. >Rick, with Cork on the side Hi Rick, It depends a lot on the gal's age. What EXACTLY do you have in mind? Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 9 11:24:26 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:24:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <001401c551b7$e1553550$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the answer. I plan on going to the auction, but we'll see what the other bidders want to run the price up to. My pockets probably won't be deep enough but you never know........ Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:17:38 +0200 > >Luke, this engine with serial # A1193E is an early >1907 8 hp tank cooled gasoline engine with a G398 >mixer used 1905-14, so it has to be hit-'n-miss. > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > >International 8 h.p. 'A1193E' Horiz. >http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg >http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg >http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon May 9 11:37:09 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:37:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] TEST Message-ID: <200505091837.j49IbITt093459@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From FGreatwestern at aol.com Mon May 9 19:14:11 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:14:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Postings from list people Message-ID: <103.612137b3.2fb172f3@aol.com> Haven't seen any postings from list people. Is it just me? Thanks. Fred in MI From FGreatwestern at aol.com Mon May 9 20:01:41 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:01:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Anyone see this? From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Tue May 10 05:47:36 2005 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:47:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <005101c5555e$71674fd0$0200a8c0@userrhktdzvtaa> test - no mail for 2 days? Jim 8^) (Old age ain't no place for sissies .....!) From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Tue May 10 06:28:27 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:28:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <001101c55564$274a52c0$8e401fd3@professi0cqjbx> This is only a test as I think I have lost the sel again. Ron Glassby Western Australia From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 10 09:37:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:37:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: Howdy all with Elden on the side. Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: A is connected to the 4 brushes B is connected to one of the field coil winding C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. Pix at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX Tanks much!! RickinMt. From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net Tue May 10 12:06:31 2005 From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> References: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Message-ID: <42810637.3070209@Ntelos.Net> Yp From nick at holden1.net Tue May 10 12:31:36 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:31:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Test References: <001101c55564$274a52c0$8e401fd3@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: <42810C18.000001.02796@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Ron its all just started working again nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Ron Glassby Date: 05/10/05 20:10:01 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Test This is only a test as I think I have lost the sel again. Ron Glassby Western Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005 From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 10 13:30:45 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:30:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sad news Message-ID: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Nick Bettevy passed away Monday night, lung cancer. Nick made the trip to Portland with us 3 times, he was an excellent machinist and mechanic, and a great fellow to be with. He will be missed by those that new him. J.B. Castagnos From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Tue May 10 13:46:40 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:46:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Message-ID: This is the first one since Sunday! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of FGreatwestern at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:02 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Test Anyone see this? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 10 14:18:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:18:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me!!!! In-Reply-To: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> References: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050510141843b37477@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/05, Paul Maples wrote: > Thanks to those of you who are reading this O.T. message. > > My twin sister gave my younger sister an almost new HP3820 Deskjet Color Printer. She said she could not get it to work on her computer so I told her to bring it to me. I did not have a driver on my pc for it but downloaded one from the HP website and then checked out the printer on my pc and it worked great. > > I told her to come and get it and she did and she called me tonight and said it would not work on her computer so I loaded up and drove out to her house. The first thing I did was to uninstall the printer driver she had downloaded and re-install the printer driver from the HP website and it installed fine but when you went to print a test page it did nothing. Further troubleshooting revealed that the computer was not recognizing the LPT1 port which was where the printer was assigned to go. > > I went to "My Computer" right click on properties, went to device manager and discovered that there is no listing in the list for "ports", nothing, no Com Port or LPT1. The USB hub is listed and active but there is no "Ports" listed. > > Can someone tell me if there is anything I can do to get the computer to list the "ports" in the device manager listing? If I can get the computer to recognize the "ports" I can probably get it to print. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Paul Paul: What OS are you using? Try looking under START, SETTINGS, PRINTERS then look at the installed printer in detail. You select the port when the printer is installed. A USB printer is not normally a problem. You can also go into START, SETTINGS, CONTROL PANEL and then look under ADD / REMOVE HARDWARE. You can troubleshoot from there. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 10 14:25:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:25:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605051014255509c11@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > Pix at: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > Tanks much!! > > RickinMt. Looks a bit odd! The four brushes should be equally spaced around the commutator, or you have four missing from the bottom positions. One set of brushes would be positive and the opposite set would be negative, BUT it isn't as simple as that, as you have to have opposite brushes with opposite polarities, UNLESS you have a complex wave-wound rotor, which I doubt. It's an 8-pole machine, so I think there is more to it than meets they eye. The output from the brushes is fed into the field coils via the regulating resistor or hand control. So, you have to sort out first what other brushes should be present. I feel that there are parts missing here, so be careful what you are doing with it until it is established how it SHOULD be connected. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 10 15:16:26 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:16:26 +1000 Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Sad news References: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <02ff01c555ae$2d4d7a90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> He was another really good friend to me. He and his family were the nicest folk you could ever meet. There is a sad place in my heart today. I will never forget the good times we spent together on my trips. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:30 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Sad news > Nick Bettevy passed away Monday night, lung cancer. Nick made the trip to > Portland with us 3 times, he was an excellent machinist and mechanic, and > a great fellow to be with. He will be missed by those that new him. > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 10 18:32:31 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:32:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> References: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050510183154.01a88280@mail.pennswoods.net> Nope the power is off here and it did not come through At 08:01 PM 5/9/2005, you wrote: >Anyone see this? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 10 15:39:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:39:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f60251605051014255509c11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Peter, I will look for any evidence of a missing 4 brush set on the bottom...plus these brushes don't have any braided wire hooked into them..huh Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > > > Pix at: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > > > Tanks much!! > > > > RickinMt. > > Looks a bit odd! > > The four brushes should be equally spaced around the commutator, or > you have four missing from the bottom positions. > > One set of brushes would be positive and the opposite set would be > negative, BUT it isn't as simple as that, as you have to have opposite > brushes with opposite polarities, UNLESS you have a complex wave-wound > rotor, which I doubt. It's an 8-pole machine, so I think there is more > to it than meets they eye. > > The output from the brushes is fed into the field coils via the > regulating resistor or hand control. So, you have to sort out first > what other brushes should be present. > > I feel that there are parts missing here, so be careful what you are > doing with it until it is established how it SHOULD be connected. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Tue May 10 17:22:36 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:22:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re. Mystery to me References: Message-ID: <003c01c555bf$8990a640$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Ken, I sent one to a machine shop once and they said it was to complicated to make and would be too expensive. Now my friend in MO, who is a machinist, did make one. I have seen 3 or 4 bone cutters with this piece missing.Tomorrow I will take some photos of mine and if you want to take a look at them and see what you think.I will probably be coming to CT to go to Cool Springs with Don Huschke of Newington Charlie Bryant . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: [SEL] Re. Mystery to me Rick, Yep it sure looks like a big one, as Charlie said it has that one piece i'm missing. The "patented automatic feed pressure put-er-on-er thingie" that is on the screw above the plate assembly. I'd sure love to get a hold of one of those, maybe even have a copy cast if you pick it up. Here are a few pics of mine. http://community.webshots.com/album/34023214virxLr/2 Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/05 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 10 16:21:06 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:21:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <001101c55564$274a52c0$8e401fd3@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: <000701c555b6$f6393400$d09481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Received here Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Glassby" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Test > This is only a test as I think I have lost the sel again. > Ron Glassby > Western Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 10 16:33:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:33:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re Stainless Steel Message-ID: <004f01c555b8$a166f5f0$d09481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Duncan for that site ......it will help us with our Tesla Disc Turbine project. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue May 10 18:08:06 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:08:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: <015e01c555c5$e426e640$ef8ff504@x8h7l9> Rick, 1. Try posting on Sparks and Arcs, http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 . Some one might recognize the unit. 2. Look and see if one side of the stator coils is grounded. 3. What kind of engine is it connected to if any? Does the engine run?? 4. I also think that something is missing like a control resister. We could come up with some kind of high power resister with a tap on it to adjust the field current. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Cc: "Elden DuRand" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > Pix at: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > Tanks much!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 10 19:14:59 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:14:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sad news In-Reply-To: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <42816AA3.8050208@earthlink.net> My condolences to all that knew him. The name is familiar to me though we never met. Jeff Allen jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Nick Bettevy passed away Monday night, lung cancer. Nick made the trip to Portland with us 3 times, he was an excellent machinist and mechanic, and a great fellow to be with. He will be missed by those that new him. >J.B. Castagnos > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 10 20:15:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me!!!! In-Reply-To: <6f602516050510141843b37477@mail.gmail.com> References: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050510141843b37477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62989.167.142.22.32.1115781346.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Is the port enabled in the BIOS? If not, there is nothing Windows can do as the hardware "wont be there" unless the BIOS makes it there. Make sure it's not disabled or set to something funky. Also make sure the chipset driver for that computer is proper in windows - some computers need the chipset driver for all hardware supported by the chipset to work under windoze. Bill > On 5/9/05, Paul Maples wrote: >> Thanks to those of you who are reading this O.T. message. >> >> My twin sister gave my younger sister an almost new HP3820 Deskjet Color >> Printer. She said she could not get it to work on her computer so I told >> her to bring it to me. I did not have a driver on my pc for it but >> downloaded one from the HP website and then checked out the printer on >> my pc and it worked great. >> >> I told her to come and get it and she did and she called me tonight and >> said it would not work on her computer so I loaded up and drove out to >> her house. The first thing I did was to uninstall the printer driver she >> had downloaded and re-install the printer driver from the HP website and >> it installed fine but when you went to print a test page it did nothing. >> Further troubleshooting revealed that the computer was not recognizing >> the LPT1 port which was where the printer was assigned to go. >> >> I went to "My Computer" right click on properties, went to device >> manager and discovered that there is no listing in the list for "ports", >> nothing, no Com Port or LPT1. The USB hub is listed and active but there >> is no "Ports" listed. >> >> Can someone tell me if there is anything I can do to get the computer to >> list the "ports" in the device manager listing? If I can get the >> computer to recognize the "ports" I can probably get it to print. >> >> Thanks in advance for the help. >> >> Paul > > Paul: > > What OS are you using? > > Try looking under START, SETTINGS, PRINTERS then look at the > installed printer in detail. You select the port when the printer is > installed. A USB printer is not normally a problem. > > You can also go into START, SETTINGS, CONTROL PANEL and then look > under ADD / REMOVE HARDWARE. You can troubleshoot from there. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 10 19:54:10 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:54:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20050510.231903.1320.8.jlb94@juno.com> Well - - - No e-mails all day - - - Then tonight 36 of them. 80 % of them are TESTS !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 10 20:05:46 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:05:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20050510.231903.1320.14.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, All this talk about generators - - - - Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 10 19:46:53 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? Message-ID: <20050510.231903.1320.6.jlb94@juno.com> Use the Force Luke - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 10 20:58:41 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:58:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <41b3n3$v8326b@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - > Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? > > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start charging. J.B. Castagnos From b2 at chooka.net Tue May 10 21:38:34 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:38:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <41b3n3$v8326b@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <007501c555e3$4af8e590$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Bought a John Deere B once with alternator on it, guy before me never could get it to charge. I added a doorbell button up on the dash so I could start the alternator after I started the tractor. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > >> >> Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - >> Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? >> >> > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try > them on tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never > start charging. > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 10 23:48:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:48:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f60251605051014255509c11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050510234876fd0fab@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thank you Peter, I will look for any evidence of a missing 4 brush set on > the bottom...plus these brushes don't have any braided wire hooked into > them..huh > > Rick They could take the current out through the brush holders, and the tensioning fingers may well carry the current, but that would be a little unusual. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 05:48:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <20050510.231903.1320.14.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: this might help Pip: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/bucketheadsgrotto/onewire.html Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Hi List, > > All this talk about generators - - - - > > Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - > Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 06:18:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:18:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <015e01c555c5$e426e640$ef8ff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed; Yes, I've posted on S&A also, and everyone says this is a weird duck. We got this engine from a guy who's had it for many years. It was used to charge the batteries on an ore cart rig at a local silver mine. He says he'll take us up to the mine one of these days. She's a very sweet runner, made by the Universal Motor Co. in Oshkosh, circa 1923ish. I'm wondering if this generator didn't also double as a starter. Evidence on the hand crank handle suggests that it was very seldom started with the crank. I'll get out the DVM and do some ohmin'. Here's the album with the genset: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi Thanks for the reply, pard!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > > 1. Try posting on Sparks and Arcs, > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 . Some one might > recognize the unit. > > 2. Look and see if one side of the stator coils is grounded. > > 3. What kind of engine is it connected to if any? Does the engine run?? > > 4. I also think that something is missing like a control resister. We > could > come up with some kind of high power resister with a tap on it to adjust > the > field current. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Cc: "Elden DuRand" > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > > > Pix at: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > > > Tanks much!! > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 11 06:41:44 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <89.26bafa07.2fb36598@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2005 9:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on > tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start > charging. > J.B. Here is an excellent web site that expands on your explanation. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 11 06:44:14 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:44:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20b.bf0006.2fb3662e@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2005 9:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on > tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start > charging. > J.B. I failed to indentify the web site. Here it is: www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed May 11 07:42:51 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:42:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, You would expect an eight pole DC machine to have eight brushes spaced evenly around the commutator. They would in turn alternate +,- around so all the + brushes would connect together and all the - brushes would connect together. A valid test would be to separate all connections and energize the field winding with a 12 volt battery. With the machine up to speed you should measure a voltage between any two adjacent brushes. Mark the field wire and brushes that are positive. You would also want to get a current reading through the field winding. If the field is intended to be self-excited, The current at 250 volts should be under 1 amp which would correspond to under 48 milliamps with a 12 excitation. The field current test can be done with the machine no spun up. Be careful when you disconnect the 12 volts from the field as there will be a high voltage back- kick. It is possible your machine only had four brushes originally 2+ and 2- Self excitation connection would be positive field wire to positive brush, negative field wire through rheostat (maybe as large as 250-500 ohms, 250 watts) to negative brush. When you get it up to 250 volts try connecting the positive brushes together and the negative brushes together provided their voltages are equal. check that current between two brushes is zero with no load. I would strongly recommend checking with a megger to 500 volts to make sure all insulation of windings is good before attempting a rated output voltage run. Good luck, Jim Dragoset,NOLA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:38 AM To: sel Cc: Elden DuRand Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Howdy all with Elden on the side. Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: A is connected to the 4 brushes B is connected to one of the field coil winding C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. Pix at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX Tanks much!! RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 11 07:11:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks JB Hmmm - - So it may NOT be in my best interest to go to all the trouble of modifying one ( if I knew how ) and trying to drive it with a farm engine for a display. I was under the assumption that they work like a generator. Everyone I see at car cruises with a "one wire alternator" seems to know NOTHING about them. I guess someone else always does the work. How about using and old generator ? Or - A NEW generator ( if there is such a thing ). Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 11 07:33:57 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:33:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20050511.104233.880.4.jlb94@juno.com> http://www.angelfire.com/mo/bucketheadsgrotto/onewire.html Thanks Rick - I had that site before but lost it. I was thinking of running an alternator with a stationary engine for a light display. Maybe an old generator might work. I presently have a Briggs belted up to a GM fan motor and it generates 12 V but I'm asking too much of it. It'll probably burn up one day. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 11 07:59:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:59:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. Rick: It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as easily. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 08:01:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:01:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: Thanks Jim..that was very helpful. I understand what you're talking about. As 250VDC is a very undesirable voltage, can I not hookup..say a 24vdc carbon pile regulator and get the output down to a decent regulated 24vdc. Just possibly the control panel for this gal is still up at the silver mine, which would be the ultimate. Another oddity about the generator is that the brushes do NOT have any braided wire attached to them. Personally I don't like this and hopefully can replace them. It would look and perform better with 8 brushes and holders..will look into fabriating 4 more. I also think I know who's got a megger. Thanks much for the reply RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > You would expect an eight pole DC machine to have eight brushes spaced > evenly around > the commutator. They would in turn alternate +,- around so all the + > brushes > would > connect together and all the - brushes would connect together. > A valid test would be to separate all connections and energize the field > winding with a 12 volt battery. > With the machine up to speed you should measure a voltage between any two > adjacent brushes. > Mark the field wire and brushes that are positive. > You would also want to get a current reading through the field winding. > If the field is intended to be self-excited, The current at 250 volts > should > be under 1 amp > which would correspond to under 48 milliamps with a 12 excitation. > The field current test can be done with the machine no spun up. > Be careful when you disconnect the 12 volts from the field as there will > be > a high voltage back- kick. > It is possible your machine only had four brushes originally 2+ and 2- > Self excitation connection would be positive field wire to positive brush, > negative field wire through rheostat (maybe as large as 250-500 ohms, 250 > watts) to negative brush. > When you get it up to 250 volts try connecting the positive brushes > together > and the negative brushes together provided their voltages are equal. check > that current between two brushes is zero with no load. > I would strongly recommend checking with a megger to 500 volts to make > sure > all insulation of windings is good before attempting a rated output > voltage > run. > Good luck, > Jim Dragoset,NOLA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:38 AM > To: sel > Cc: Elden DuRand > Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > Pix at: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > Tanks much!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed May 11 08:08:51 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:08:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <010301c5563b$588ef430$95c87043@D6R3D961> I have seen the one wire alternators forsale in JC Whitney Im not sure its worth the effort to try and build one when they are not the expensive to just buy. I see them used in some marine engines also. Count your time or count your money! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Thanks JB > > Hmmm - - So it may NOT be in my best interest to go to all the trouble > of modifying one ( if I knew how ) and trying to drive it with a farm > engine for a display. > I was under the assumption that they work like a generator. > > Everyone I see at car cruises with a "one wire alternator" seems to know > NOTHING about them. > I guess someone else always does the work. > > How about using and old generator ? > Or - A NEW generator ( if there is such a thing ). > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 08:23:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <20050511.104233.880.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Yea, I would think an old generator would make a better display. Heck at one time I thot of an old engine running a generator that charged a battery that furnished power to an inverter which drove my old Easy electric washing machine. There's a working display at a dam in Wash. state where one peddles a bicycle type gizmo which drives an alternator. Various wattage light bulbs can be switched to increase the load. It's a real eye opener when a hunk jumps on and thinks he can power them all up. Very nice display!!! Also wasn't there an article way back in TMEN where a guy made his kids peddle a bicycle that charged a battery, furnished power to an inverter..hooked to a boob tube? They had to charge the battery before they could watch TV. Whew..that's been a day or two ago. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/bucketheadsgrotto/onewire.html > > Thanks Rick - > I had that site before but lost it. > > I was thinking of running an alternator with a stationary engine for a > light display. > > Maybe an old generator might work. > > I presently have a Briggs belted up to a GM fan motor and it generates 12 > V > but I'm asking too much of it. It'll probably burn up one day. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 11 08:24:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:24:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051108243766e8b3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Thanks JB > > Hmmm - - So it may NOT be in my best interest to go to all the trouble > of modifying one ( if I knew how ) and trying to drive it with a farm > engine for a display. > I was under the assumption that they work like a generator. > > Everyone I see at car cruises with a "one wire alternator" seems to know > NOTHING about them. > I guess someone else always does the work. > > How about using and old generator ? > Or - A NEW generator ( if there is such a thing ). > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. You can get dynamos on ebay or at swap meets, and they are relatively easy to run, and don't need the high rpm that an alternator does. An old 110V DC motor will work as a generator also, and you don't need a lot of wiring or electrickery to make it work, just a decent sized variable wirewound resistor for the field control. Meters etc can always be added later to make up a switchboard. There have been motor and dynamos at Portland and Tulare on all the recent occasions we have been there... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Wed May 11 08:58:04 2005 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bone Cutter Feed Mechanism Message-ID: >> I sent one to a machine shop once and they said it was to complicated to make and would be too expensive. Now my friend in MO, who is a machinist, did make one. I have seen 3 or 4 bone cutters with this piece missing.Tomorrow I will take some photos of mine and if you want to take a look at them and see what you think.I will probably be coming to CT to go to Cool Springs with Don Huschke of Newington<< Thanks Charlie, I'd love to see some pictures and maybe get some measurements. I am fortunate enough to work for a company that creates CAD/CAM software (Mastercam), we have a 3 and a 5 axis machine in the basement. I am bidding on the #9 unit on E-bay as i already have a #7. Unfortunately the #9 unit is missing this piece. Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 09:08:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:08:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > Rick: > > It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > > We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > easily. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 09:07:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:07:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You betcha Peter..That's why I would like to use the 24vdc regulator and get the output down to a somewhat safe voltage. 250VDC is a very undesirable and unworkable voltage for me anyway. But you might watch the western horizon for some bizarre "northern light" display. "yup, there goes Rick..letting the smoke out" another one bites the dust, another one bites the dust, and another...how does that song go? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > Rick: > > It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > > We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > easily. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 11 10:50:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:50:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Rick, You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that part. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? > > > >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Listerdiesel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > >>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: >> >> >>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. >>> >>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) >>> >>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. >>> >>> >>Rick: >> >>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully >>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical >>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! >> >>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to >>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as >>easily. >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed May 11 11:38:16 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:38:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, The twelve volt external excitation may just give you the voltage you're looking for. Keep in mind that a given DC generator voltage output is proportional to both field current and RPM's. Jim -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup Thanks Jim..that was very helpful. I understand what you're talking about. As 250VDC is a very undesirable voltage, can I not hookup..say a 24vdc carbon pile regulator and get the output down to a decent regulated 24vdc. Just possibly the control panel for this gal is still up at the silver mine, which would be the ultimate. Another oddity about the generator is that the brushes do NOT have any braided wire attached to them. Personally I don't like this and hopefully can replace them. It would look and perform better with 8 brushes and holders..will look into fabriating 4 more. I also think I know who's got a megger. Thanks much for the reply RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 12:04:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:04:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: Ok..got it Jim ..thanks Rick PS: why does your name sound so familiar? Did I buy something from you or ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > The twelve volt external excitation may just give you the voltage you're > looking for. > Keep in mind that a given DC generator voltage output is proportional to > both > field current and RPM's. > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > Thanks Jim..that was very helpful. I understand what you're talking > about. > > As 250VDC is a very undesirable voltage, can I not hookup..say a 24vdc > carbon pile regulator and get the output down to a decent regulated 24vdc. > Just possibly the control panel for this gal is still up at the silver > mine, which would be the ultimate. > > Another oddity about the generator is that the brushes do NOT have any > braided wire attached to them. Personally I don't like this and hopefully > can replace them. > > It would look and perform better with 8 brushes and holders..will look > into fabriating 4 more. > > I also think I know who's got a megger. > > Thanks much for the reply > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Dragoset" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:42 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 12:08:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:08:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I should have stated that differently, Curt. Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable voltage? Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency sensitive? later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP > inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the > generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the > three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other > the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input > power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a > small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that > is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that > part. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Listerdiesel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. > >>> > >>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > >>> > >>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > >>> > >>> > >>Rick: > >> > >>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > >>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > >>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > >> > >>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > >>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > >>easily. > >> > >>Peter > >>-- > >>Peter A Forbes > >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed May 11 12:14:27 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:14:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: <003301c5565d$a8aec360$c3b1123f@oemcomputer> Hi, One wire alternators seem to work fine for me. I have a 12 volt one on my M Farmall and my model A Ford. On the Farmall it drives off the old generator pullley. I put a small pulley on the alternator. All I have to do is rev up about half way and it kicks in. You can take a regular alternator and put a jumper between the two plug in terminals and that works too. Glenn From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed May 11 13:13:59 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, The pulsation amplitude of well designed DC generator should be very slight compared to the DC output. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup I should have stated that differently, Curt. Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable voltage? Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency sensitive? later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP > inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the > generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the > three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other > the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input > power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a > small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that > is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that > part. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Listerdiesel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. > >>> > >>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > >>> > >>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > >>> > >>> > >>Rick: > >> > >>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > >>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > >>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > >> > >>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > >>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > >>easily. > >> > >>Peter > >>-- > >>Peter A Forbes > >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 11 13:14:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:14:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051113143c855d7d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > I should have stated that differently, Curt. > > Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces > pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable > voltage? > > Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency > sensitive? > > later, > Rick Nooooooooo..... It may be pulsating DC whatever that is, but it is NOT pole-reversing AC which is what you need to run into a transformer. What you get from a DC genny is not AC in any sense of the word, so don't be confused by descriptions. DC has a + and a - which are fixed according to the output leads. AC reverses polarity at 50Hz in Europe and 60Hz in the USA. Going back to your question re setting the exitation down to get a lower voltage: The field coils are rated to provide a decent magnetic field for the rated speed and output power of the generator. While you could drop the excitation and reduce the voltage, there are other factors involved. The magnetic gap between the armature and the field coil poles is calculated to give magnetic transference at a certain flux density of the field. If that density is reduced then the gap should in theory be reduced as well. In fact there is a law of diminishing returns here, and the generator will not work properly or even may not control at all once the field input is reduced beyond a certain point. The armature windings are rated for the current of 250V 16A, if you reduce to 110V you can still only pull 16A through those coils, you can't run the field current up to get double the current as the windings won't stand it. Ditto with the brushes. This relates to modern stuff as well: We took a 120kW 110V DC dynamo to India for the Ghandi movie, but it was an 1800rpm machine. The other end of the genny had a 50kW alternator, which the movie lighting people wanted to run at 50Hz because of the HMI lights strobing with the camera shutter, so at 50Hz or 1500rpm we had about 80kW instead of 120kW. The dynamo makers (Mawdesleys) said to close up the field pole gaps and all would be OK, but we hadn't the time or the facilities to do a major soundproof genny strip down. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 11 13:23:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:23:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <428269C2.6080308@imc-group.com> Ahh! The short answer is no. You'll just make a nice electric heater out of your step down transformer. As you know power transformers are designed to work on full reversing 60 cycle energy. Your generator is not simply the lower half of 60 cycle power flipped up to give you what would look like 60 cycle single phase rectified power. As you rotate the rotor on your generator 1 full turn you go by dozens of sets of commutator bars. Each one of these produces a short time but true sinusoidal wave form. But there are so many of them when you look at it with a scope all you see is a ripply wave form that is the summation of all these little sinusoidal peaks. That almost pure DC will just nicely heat your transformer windings imparting not a bit of current flow in the secondary. If you really want to use this generator then you could hook like wattage devises in series to split the voltage. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >I should have stated that differently, Curt. > > Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces >pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable >voltage? > > Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency >sensitive? > >later, >Rick > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:50 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > >>Rick, >>You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP >>inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the >>generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the >>three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other >>the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input >>power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a >>small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that >>is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that >>part. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>Richard Strobel wrote: >> >> >> >>>Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? >>> >>> >>> >>>Rick >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Listerdiesel" >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. >>>>> >>>>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) >>>>> >>>>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Rick: >>>> >>>>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully >>>>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical >>>>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! >>>> >>>>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to >>>>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as >>>>easily. >>>> >>>>Peter >>>>-- >>>>Peter A Forbes >>>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Wed May 11 13:36:21 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:36:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> ".................. Rick: It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as easily. Peter............." As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our house elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary generators on a government experimental farm. I got my hand wrapped around a lamp socket one time, and could do NOTHING but dance at random. Just danced around the room until I accidentally (but happily!!!) unplugged the damned thing. I had socks on, and my feet were at least moist (it was HUMID there). My older brother, Paul, had made thatlamp, and I remember yet today when he bought the cord for it, there was only a little left on the spool----say, maybe 15 feet. He said..."Well, that is a longer cord than I need, but I will take all that is left, and I will be able to put the lamp anywhere in the room I want!!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 13:59:44 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511205945.9039.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Guys, On Ebay right now is an alternator remfg. and they state it will self start at 5-600 RPM don't know if they have done somethink to it or not. Take a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7974001886&category=33573 Ron FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 05/10/2005 9:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on > tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start > charging. > J.B. Here is an excellent web site that expands on your explanation. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 11 16:09:29 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:09:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Update Message-ID: <203.1694f05.2fb3eaa9@aol.com> Hi List, Today, I was able to get my second Fairbanks Morse ZD started. As I stated before, the flywheel didn't have any timing marks for magento timing. With the help I received from list members, I finally determined how to find top dead center. With this information, timing the magneto was easy. By the way, this flywheel has now been marked for magneto timing. Without the help I received, proceeding on this project would have been more difficult. Thanks again, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 10 18:45:06 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:45:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL In-Reply-To: <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, When the List is down you will not receive anything from the List. Your post to the List asking if the List is down will also not go through until the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a "test" to the List to see if it's down your "test' will not appear until the List is back up.If you do not receive anything from the List for 24/36 hours you can assume that the list is down and that it will do no good to send something to the List to see if it's up! If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand what I'm saying please contact me off List and I'll try to go into more detail! Dave From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed May 11 18:17:31 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:17:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us><428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <006701c55690$5f23fac0$0301a8c0@Cam> Is it up or down Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL > > Hi All, > When the List is down you will not receive anything from the List. Your > post to the List asking if the List is down will also not go through until > the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a "test" to the List to see > if it's down your "test' will not appear until the List is back up.If you > do not receive anything from the List for 24/36 hours you can assume that > the list is down and that it will do no good to send something to the List > to see if it's up! If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to > understand what I'm saying please contact me off List and I'll try to go > into more detail! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 11 18:55:17 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:55:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, You are able to explain things to democrats in a manner they would understand? I didn't think that was possible. Jeff Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Hi All, > When the List is down you will not receive anything from the List. > Your post to the List asking if the List is down will also not go > through until the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a "test" > to the List to see if it's down your "test' will not appear until the > List is back up.If you do not receive anything from the List for 24/36 > hours you can assume that the list is down and that it will do no good > to send something to the List to see if it's up! If you are a > democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand what I'm saying > please contact me off List and I'll try to go into more detail! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 11 20:01:40 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:01:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley Message-ID: <20050512030125.WDMH10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Just to prove that there is still life in the engine world ;) Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott and fitted it to the engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/05050802.JPG It finishes off the engine nicely. I also did some investigation into my Massey-Harris is not governing properly and found that it has a butterfly that is not sealing properly. A job for another day. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh/05050803.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed May 11 21:20:10 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:20:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley Message-ID: Nice job Patrick, i agree a pulley gives an engine that finished look and shows the public how they were used to drive the various equipment they were designed to drive. Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:01:40 +1000 > >Just to prove that there is still life in the engine world ;) >Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott >and fitted it to the engine: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/05050802.JPG >It finishes off the engine nicely. >I also did some investigation into my Massey-Harris is not governing >properly and found that it has a butterfly that is not sealing properly. A >job for another day. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh/05050803.JPG > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 12 00:42:13 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:42:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement in Australia!!! Message-ID: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian farms . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy earner for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 to Fire Brigades for every tonne collected. York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon i have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying around''. Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some restorer would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what else is out there ? From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 12 00:54:57 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:54:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: TOMM Reply - Oz References: <001a01c556c7$4366ac10$5ba01fd3@morris> Message-ID: <002d01c556c7$e7040c50$5ba01fd3@morris> Sorry you have to come through the front door http://www.TOMM.com.au/ > Kerry From guitronics at comcast.net Thu May 12 02:10:16 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:10:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42831D78.2020800@comcast.net> Michael P. Koryciak wrote: I have to agree with Jeff...too much "Conditioning" has occurred in their lifetimes to break away from.Reminds me of "the Moonie's" Cult. Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Dave, > > You are able to explain things to democrats in a manner they would > understand? I didn't think that was possible. > > Jeff > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> When the List is down you will not receive anything from the >> List. Your post to the List asking if the List is down will also not >> go through until the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a >> "test" to the List to see if it's down your "test' will not appear >> until the List is back up.If you do not receive anything from the >> List for 24/36 hours you can assume that the list is down and that it >> will do no good to send something to the List to see if it's up! If >> you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand what I'm >> saying please contact me off List and I'll try to go into more detail! >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 12 02:25:36 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: TOMM Reply - Oz References: <001a01c556c7$4366ac10$5ba01fd3@morris> <002d01c556c7$e7040c50$5ba01fd3@morris> Message-ID: <001501c556d4$8f69d3a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: TOMM Reply - Oz > Sorry you have to come through the front door http://www.TOMM.com.au/ > > Kerry Never mind Kerry, at least you succeeded in getting me to sign into the TOMM forum list. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 12 03:57:15 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:57:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo show motel reservations Message-ID: <051220051057.29315.4283368B0002CC710000728321979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Need an updated list of folks needing motel reservations for Baraboo show as I heard yesterday that I should try to lock in the rooms soon or loose out on getting the group in the Four Winds Motel. Please respond and let me know. thanks, Curt Andree From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 12 04:08:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:08:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. Message-ID: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. Will load it together with the HSCS engine this afternoon for the International Engine Rally at Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 04:59:31 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:59:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Message-ID: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2005 9:27:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand >> Hi Dave, I am not a democrat, but have often said I was one of the dumbest white man you will ever meet. However, I did not post a "test" to the list. Maybe I am getting smarter and did not realize it. Thanks for the dissertation! Have a nice day! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 05:03:06 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:03:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley Message-ID: <1c6.287b7961.2fb49ffa@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2005 11:41:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott and fitted it to the engine >> Patrick, Nice looking engine. What type of wheels with the caps are they on the cart? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 05:12:52 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:12:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. Message-ID: In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:46:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << here a pair views of my latest finished toy >> Hi John, As usual your workmanship is beautiful and well thought out! What is the funnel shaped item on top of the M hopper? I have to get out one of my M's today to get ready for our show weekend after this. Stonewall Antique Power Association show, May 21/22, Concord, Va. Everyone welcome. No charges for exhibitors, not required to join club, one rope safety lanes. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 11 20:32:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:32:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050511233043.0df00df8@mail.alltel.net> >As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our house >elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary generators on a >government experimental farm. I got my hand wrapped around a lamp socket >one time, and could do NOTHING but dance at random. Just danced around the >room until I accidentally (but happily!!!) unplugged the damned thing. I >had socks on, and my feet were at least moist (it was HUMID there). >Gene WOW Gene, That must have been a real TRIP! Did you live? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 11 20:28:29 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050511231834.0dda7cf0@mail.alltel.net> At 09:55 PM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >You are able to explain things to democrats in a manner they would >understand? I didn't think that was possible. > >Jeff Hi Jeff, My wife, who now chairs the Department of Professional Studies at IUP, taught special education students (read that STUPID students) when I first met her. That was 30 years ago and I really thought those stupid-assed students could not learn a thing. Jennie, however, taught me how they could be taught basic skills, such as how NOT to piss on the floor. The same techniques work on most democrats! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 12 06:20:41 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:20:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. In-Reply-To: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050512132025.ILKR10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> You have done an excellent job (as usual) John. The M looks fantastic :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. Will load it together with the HSCS engine this afternoon for the International Engine Rally at Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu May 12 06:24:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:24:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. References: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: She looks mighty fine John. Very unique and fun to watch, I'll bet. Seems like just the other day we were looking at pictures of the cart and look at her now. "Always dazzled by your work" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. > Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. > Will load it together with the HSCS engine this > afternoon for the International Engine Rally at > Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start > tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. > Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 12 06:50:39 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:50:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42835F2F.3070506@imc-group.com> Tom, That funnel is exactly that..... a funnel. It is an IHC option that was apparently available everywhere except where the M's were built! We saw many M's in Oz with the funnel attached. I thought they were pretty neat and it was the first time I had ever seen one. The Oz M's also have a different tag on the top of the hopper. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Hi John, > >As usual your workmanship is beautiful and well thought out! What is the >funnel shaped item on top of the M hopper? I have to get out one of my M's today >to get ready for our show weekend after this. > >Stonewall Antique Power Association show, May 21/22, Concord, Va. Everyone >welcome. No charges for exhibitors, not required to join club, one rope safety >lanes. > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 12 06:57:16 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:57:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley In-Reply-To: <1c6.287b7961.2fb49ffa@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050512135716.IYIZ10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Tom, I do not know exactly what the wheels are off. I think they are off an implement of some sort (scarifier or something). They are not engine wheels but they work :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- In a message dated 5/11/2005 11:41:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott and fitted it to the engine >> Patrick, Nice looking engine. What type of wheels with the caps are they on the cart? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 12 07:27:00 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:27:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL In-Reply-To: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> References: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> Message-ID: <428367B4.8010408@scrtc.com> Hey Dave let's lump em all in there. I think you need to add after your statement below "or are a Republican and can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie and deny you've ever made a test post". Hey, its only right as I was recently reading my copy of the Newt's "Contract with America". It says "Term Limits for Congress" wow, what a lie. Once there, they simply "changer their mind". Then the biggest lie of all "Balanced Budget". I think you can say (when talking about Congress mind you) "A Republican never saw a dollar they didn't want to spend" It used to be a label reserved for Dems. Fits those with the R quite well now. Then of course we can look at Newt and his rightful condemnation of some of Bills acts. Newt forgot to mention though that he had a gal on the side as well who had worked in his office (we found out about that later), or at the same time the (married) Republican congressman from Indiana who stood up for the sanctity of the family on the House floor who later had to admit he had a couple of illegitimate kids from an affair. Or, the gent from LA who was to take Newt's place but then had to back out after his lover admitted their affair and Illegitimate child. It goes on and on. Say "Stupid Democrats" if you want, say "Lying Democrats" if you want but in the same breath you should say "Stupid Republicans and Lying Republicans". The labels fit equally well. An Independent like me can make these comments....... Enough of my political soapbox as it shouldn't be on the list... No more from me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ><< If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to > understand >> > > From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu May 12 09:11:32 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:11:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com><200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050511233043.0df00df8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c5570d$44f07d90$ea007643@D6R3D961> Is that where break dancing came from???? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca > >>As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our >>house >>elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 12 10:00:20 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:00:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050511231834.0dda7cf0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200505121700.j4CH0LQn031669@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rotigel > My wife > taught special education students (read that STUPID > students) when I first met her. > I really thought those stupid-assed students could not > learn a thing. Jennie, however, taught me >how NOT to piss on the floor. Hi Dave, I wondered how you managed to bag as fine a gal as Jennie. You must have posed quite a challenge. I'm very glad that she was eventually successful in turning you around. Linoleum throughout the house is SO unpleasant on the feet on a cold winter morning. From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu May 12 12:07:12 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:07:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <00aa01c5570d$44f07d90$ea007643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <200505121907.j4CJ7E4v022056@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Damn right!!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger DiRuscio Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:12 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup Is that where break dancing came from???? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca > >>As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our >>house >>elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 12 00:50:23 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:50:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz References: Message-ID: <001a01c556c7$4366ac10$5ba01fd3@morris> G'Day All For a good laugh check out TOMM "Old Machinery Forums" NHMA Insurance. A simply question from Paul Pavlinovich about Insurance company sees TOMM part of the cover up, many posts no answer to his question. If an individual cannot talk directly to the insuruer something is wrong http://www.tomm.com.au/forums Kerry From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 12 14:00:45 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:00:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia Message-ID: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt very despondent about the future of our hobby. Things have not changed . What all this is about is the unprecedented hunger for scrap steel by China . I can understand farmers who have a lot of old scrap that has been lying around for ever trying to make some cash from the sale of it . Unfortunately there is going to be included in that scrap the sort of things that we collect and restore and then display to the public . The development of China and it's manufacturing industries ,the affect on the rest of the world especially the large manufacturing countries ,i.e. the US and Europe will be devastating. My country ,Australia may be OK but only as a quarry ,a source for raw material but never again as a manufacturer .This side of things died years ago , but the US will suffer or probably is now suffering ,just look around you and see how many things are now made in China. The cheap labour costs and their demand as a consumer is frightening!This is of course progress...........not much we can do about it . I do feel sorry for those of us who are new to this hobby ,it will now be so much more difficult to ''Find'' the beautiful old engine in some farmers paddock or shed . The value of engines will rise ,nothing will be given away . When i think back to when a friend and i found a almost Compleat 1904 Ruston Proctor portable steam engine. It was given to us by a farmer who in past years had sold the engine to a scrap merchant twice , it had never been collected . That engine is now perfectly restored and is shown to the public regularly .That farmer saw the engine in it's restored state before he died ,he was so glad that he had given it to us and the scrap merchant had found it too difficult to collect . I can only implore those who have ''scrap '' to consider we restorers before you sell it to the Scrapie . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 15:16:01 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:16:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia Message-ID: <155.508ce2d5.2fb52fa1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/2005 5:26:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: << ,just look around you and see how many things are now made in China >> Yes, cheap is the word from China. I recently bought a 3/4 pipe floor flange from the local Lowes, and after getting it home and threading a pipe into it, it looked like the "Leaning tower of Pisa". Back to Lowes and had to go thru 1/2 dozen before finding one that was threaded straght! So much for cheap China junk! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 15:18:06 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:18:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz Message-ID: In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: << http://www.tomm.com.au/forums >> Kerry, Will not allow me access to it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu May 12 15:42:40 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:42:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. In-Reply-To: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, What a great looking restoration. It is a credit to you and I do hope you get some good weather for Nuenen. Don't foget to get some good rally photos for us all to view. Regards Lyndsay >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stat.eng.org" , "SEL" > >Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:08:31 +0200 > >Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. >Will load it together with the HSCS engine this >afternoon for the International Engine Rally at >Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start >tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. >Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg > >Regards, >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 12 16:14:13 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:14:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. References: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001301c55748$51f500c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Absolutely gorgeous!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. > Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. > Will load it together with the HSCS engine this > afternoon for the International Engine Rally at > Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start > tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. > Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Thu May 12 16:31:43 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:31:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz Message-ID: <1f5.9a02226.2fb5415f@aol.com> Hi Tom, You can go to http://www.TOMM.com.au and then click the forum link. I've subscribed to TOMM for about 5 years, and I think it's a great magazine. Hope to see ya at Concord, on the 21st :o) Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 12 17:17:01 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:47:01 +0930 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz References: Message-ID: <000d01c55751$2fb18de0$c7ce8890@chaos> http://www.tomm.com.au/forums/phpBB2/index.php ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz > In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: > > << http://www.tomm.com.au/forums >> > > > Kerry, > > Will not allow me access to it. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 12 21:29:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:29:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia In-Reply-To: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <42842D46.6060109@earthlink.net> Peter, You are damn lucky that some will still give away engines in OZ. I have never been offered anything for free here, and have been willing to pay a fair price for what many consider scrap. Many times I have paid more than I should have to rescue old iron. My choice. Get your mates to get off their collective asses and purchase just over scrap price if you want to save it. You will still be getting a bargain, and it will not be going to China. The scrap man is just trying to make a living. We can't save all of it! There are only so many of us that care about saving this. With limited space and budgets we will have to watch some of it go to scrap. My brother and I ran an auction business for a time. One estate auction had over 200 antique cars and it broke my heart to see some of them go. The scrap man was there and purchased about 30% of the cars to send to the crusher. The 1949 Studebaker convertible was one of them. It's gone. I didn't and still don't have the space to rescue what I would like to. That is the real world. If you have the space, time, and money to rescue all of this then get off your ass and do it. Jeff Allen peter ogborne wrote: > When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt very > despondent about the future of our hobby. Things have not changed . > What all this is about is the unprecedented hunger for scrap steel by > China . I can understand farmers who have a lot of old scrap that has > been lying around for ever trying to make some cash from the sale of > it . Unfortunately there is going to be included in that scrap the > sort of things that we collect and restore and then display to the > public . The development of China and it's manufacturing industries > ,the affect on the rest of the world especially the large > manufacturing countries ,i.e. the US and Europe will be devastating. > My country ,Australia may be OK but only as a quarry ,a source for raw > material but never again as a manufacturer .This side of things died > years ago , but the US will suffer or probably is now suffering ,just > look around you and see how many things are now made in China. The > cheap labour costs and their demand as a consumer is frightening!This > is of course progress...........not much we can do about it . > > I do feel sorry for those of us who are new to this hobby ,it will now > be so much more difficult to ''Find'' the beautiful old engine in some > farmers paddock or shed . The value of engines will rise ,nothing will > be given away . When i think back to when a friend and i found a > almost Compleat 1904 Ruston Proctor portable steam engine. It was > given to us by a farmer who in past years had sold the engine to a > scrap merchant twice , it had never been collected . That engine is > now perfectly restored and is shown to the public regularly .That > farmer saw the engine in it's restored state before he died ,he was > so glad that he had given it to us and the scrap merchant had found it > too difficult to collect . > I can only implore those who have ''scrap '' to consider we restorers > before you sell it to the Scrapie . > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 12 21:46:14 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:46:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photo database Message-ID: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> Hi all, I look at the wonderful pictures we all share.Any thoughts on making an online database of the pictures? One online source to look for pictures of engines and perhaps the variations from one country to the other. All comments welcome on this insane idea. Jeff Allen From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 12 22:22:26 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:22:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Finished new toy Message-ID: <002001c5577b$c3f2f280$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thank you all for the kind words on and off list re my new toy, it's much appreciated. In a few minutes we will leave from home and take the "interstate" to the south. As usual have the camera on board, so the pictures of the European engines can be seen the next week. Thanks again, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 12 22:59:20 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:59:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Photo database In-Reply-To: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200505130559.j4D5xMiU044810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I look at the wonderful pictures we all share.Any thoughts > on making an > online database of the pictures? One online source to look > for pictures > of engines and perhaps the variations from one country to the > other. All > comments welcome on this insane idea. Hi Jeff, Have you seen Ken Christison's picture database? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 12 23:34:24 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:34:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia In-Reply-To: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200505130634.j4D6YQPn053084@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt > very despondent about the future of our hobby. Peter, While I've not been to Oz and my perspective is clouded by my limited American experience, I'm still very sceptical of your media's reporting. Do you REALLY have three billion pounds of collectible iron ready to go to the smelter? We have junk yards with who-knows-how-many-tons of old equipment, but most of it you'd not haul away if it was given to you for free. If in fact there are 3,000,000,000 pounds of old sideshaft engines ready to get melted down, please set aside a few dozen tons for me. I'll gladly pay double the scrap price and will toss in a case of California style ale. >,just look around you and see how many things are > now made in China. The cheap labour costs > and their demand as a consumer is frightening! Come join us on the Slick Willy List, where we love to toss around ideas like these. If you're the sensitive sort who gets mopey over the exchange of diverse ideas, it might not be for you. > The value of engines will rise ,nothing will be given away Should collectors get valuable engines for free? Is that not taking advantage of the ignorant seller? I'm sure there are theologians among us who can offer council on whether to offer a poor widow a fair price, or to offer a ridiculously low price in an attempt to decieve the seller. Good luck saving all the good stuff. Rob From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu May 12 09:12:52 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:12:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL References: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> <428367B4.8010408@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003901c5570d$7327b2a0$f1830b43@satx.rr.com> typical democrat whining...zzzzz... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL > Hey Dave let's lump em all in there. I think you need to add after your > statement below "or are a Republican and can't tell the difference > between the truth and a lie and deny you've ever made a test post". > Hey, its only right as I was recently reading my copy of the Newt's > "Contract with America". It says "Term Limits for Congress" wow, what a > lie. Once there, they simply "changer their mind". Then the biggest > lie of all "Balanced Budget". I think you can say (when talking about > Congress mind you) "A Republican never saw a dollar they didn't want to > spend" It used to be a label reserved for Dems. Fits those with the R > quite well now. Then of course we can look at Newt and his rightful > condemnation of some of Bills acts. Newt forgot to mention though that > he had a gal on the side as well who had worked in his office (we found > out about that later), or at the same time the (married) Republican > congressman from Indiana who stood up for the sanctity of the family on > the House floor who later had to admit he had a couple of illegitimate > kids from an affair. Or, the gent from LA who was to take Newt's place > but then had to back out after his lover admitted their affair and > Illegitimate child. It goes on and on. Say "Stupid Democrats" if you > want, say "Lying Democrats" if you want but in the same breath you > should say "Stupid Republicans and Lying Republicans". The labels fit > equally well. An Independent like me can make these comments....... > Enough of my political soapbox as it shouldn't be on the list... No > more from me. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > ><< If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to > > understand >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 00:53:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:53:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement in Australia!!! In-Reply-To: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/05, peter ogborne wrote: > This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that > could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. > Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by > Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian farms > . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks > ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy earner > for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 to Fire > Brigades for every tonne collected. > York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon i > have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying around''. > Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do > BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the > story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some restorer > would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what else is out > there ? > I should let them take the fencing, Peter.... Aside from that, it's the same as has always been, let the Ozzies put their money up and buy the stuff instead of it going to the scrap man. Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 13 01:37:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:37:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement inAustralia!!! References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> There is a lot of misunderstanding on this point IF a lump of old iron or whatever is a part of a significant heritage site, THEN it MIGHT be considered as something that should stay here. All our privately owned treasures, junk, etc. is OUR private property and in 99.99% of cases, does not come into the range of the Govt. policy. Of course, the bastards will try and get taxes and anything else they can out of your pocket!! That is a worldwide legal ripoff practiced with consumate skills by the Beaurocrats. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > I should let them take the fencing, Peter.... > > Aside from that, it's the same as has always been, let the Ozzies put > their money up and buy the stuff instead of it going to the scrap man. > > Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' > machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly it cannot > 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an export licence as I > understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only countries that I am aware of > that have these restrictions on old iron. > > Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 02:44:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:44:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement inAustralia!!! In-Reply-To: <01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com> <01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f602516050513024455731c5e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > There is a lot of misunderstanding on this point > IF a lump of old iron or whatever is a part of a significant heritage site, > THEN it MIGHT be considered as something that should stay here. > > All our privately owned treasures, junk, etc. is OUR private property and in > 99.99% of cases, does not come into the range of the Govt. policy. > Have there been any documented cases in this matter, Reggie? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 13 03:31:09 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:31:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3><6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com><01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f602516050513024455731c5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <020201c557a6$e2435ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont know of any but, there was a hell of a bleat session when a steam engine was taken to UK. Nobody in NZ was prepared to put up the money to restore it so it went to an English restorer who spent megsbucks doing it. That didnt stop the moaners in NZ though. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! > On 5/13/05, R & M Ingold wrote: >> There is a lot of misunderstanding on this point >> IF a lump of old iron or whatever is a part of a significant heritage >> site, >> THEN it MIGHT be considered as something that should stay here. >> >> All our privately owned treasures, junk, etc. is OUR private property and >> in >> 99.99% of cases, does not come into the range of the Govt. policy. >> > > Have there been any documented cases in this matter, Reggie? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 13 08:16:27 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:46:27 +0930 Subject: [SEL] tangye in NZ Message-ID: <000f01c557ce$bc4e6160$c7ce8890@chaos> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-27127484.htm From christison at coastalnet.com Fri May 13 08:20:06 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:20:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Photo database Message-ID: <410-22005551315206484@coastalnet.com> Jeff, I think the database idea is a great one, but one which requires a lot of time and frustration. My engine picture links page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/ was a somewhat feeble attempt at a database, though not very well indexed or categorized. The beginning of the demise of my page was Photopoint. A lot of folks were using it and when it went under, people went to various other similar services, and just didn't have the time to follow up on all of them. I have gotten so busy with my syrupmaking and gristmilling pages that the picture links page has really been neglected. I personally visited each of the pages that are indexed and did the listings. The frustrating part is that many of the engines pictured on the web are not ID'd, thus either requiring the indexer to be a real expert at identification, or simply to ignore them which is tough. Don Siefker's page is indexed in a useful manner, though not cross-indexed as perhaps a true database should be. http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/ Just a few thoughts... Ken > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Allen > To: Oldengine list > Cc: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 5/13/2005 1:01:48 AM > Subject: [SEL] Photo database > > Hi all, > > I look at the wonderful pictures we all share.Any thoughts on making an > online database of the pictures? One online source to look for pictures > of engines and perhaps the variations from one country to the other. All > comments welcome on this insane idea. > > Jeff Allen From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 08:28:18 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:28:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: Howdy from rainy Mt.: Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the recovery of a big engine on the ground. Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or engines on trucks could be a real PITA. Comments please RickinMt. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri May 13 08:53:58 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:53:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: Message-ID: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> What is a roll-back trailer? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a roll-back > gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the recovery of a big > engine on the ground. > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or engines on > trucks could be a real PITA. > > > Comments please > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 09:21:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:21:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: They make'um Jim. I've been assured of that by a reputable engine nut back east. But google doesn't show anything yet. I guess it would operate like a rollback truck bed. Like used nowdays for recovering vehicles and seen at NASCAR. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > What is a roll-back trailer? > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:28 AM > Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > > > > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a roll-back > > gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the recovery of a > > big > > engine on the ground. > > > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or engines on > > trucks could be a real PITA. > > > > > > Comments please > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri May 13 09:49:19 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:49:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement inAustralia!!! Message-ID: > Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' > machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly > it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an > export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only > countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. > Peter A Forbes Peter, The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of the country. When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official paperwork on stating it could be exported. I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making supplemental income as part of their job. George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 13 10:15:22 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:15:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a > roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the > recovery of a big engine on the ground. > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or > engines on > trucks could be a real PITA. Hi Rick, Do you mean a "tilt-bed trailer?" A lot of guys have 'em and like 'em. Some are gravity powered, some have a buffer system, others are hydraulically powered. The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. It's hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No tilt. Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the deck and you can easily load multiple engines. You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the tilt bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 13 10:22:15 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:22:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4284E247.7060608@scrtc.com> Jim, Roll back is somewhat of a generic term that applies to trucks, trailer, etc. in which the bed will "roll back" toward the rear of the unit and then tilt. The purpose for rolling back is to lessen the slope of the bed when loading. My dad used to have a straight tilt flat bed and a roll back at his business. I didn't mind sitting on a tractor being loaded on the roll back as it was a gentle slope. The straight tilt though looked like I was climbing a mountain. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > What is a roll-back trailer? > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri May 13 10:41:24 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050513174124.53899.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Here are a few links to ponder... http://www.lift-a-load.com/ http://www.americanrollback.com/ http://www.rollbacktrailers.com/ http://www.automaticrollback.com/ http://www.hhtrailer.com/ http://www.landoll.com (for those who want a real trailer to pull behind a real truck.... Steve --- Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a > > roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the > > recovery of a big engine on the ground. > > > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or > > engines on > > trucks could be a real PITA. > > Hi Rick, > Do you mean a "tilt-bed trailer?" A lot of guys have 'em and like 'em. > Some > are gravity powered, some have a buffer system, others are hydraulically > powered. > > The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. > It's > hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No > tilt. > Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the > deck and > you can easily load multiple engines. > > You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the > tilt > bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 10:50:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:50:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Yea Rob..I've seen dump trailers, tilt trailers, and maybe the one you're thinking of a "Sliding axle" trailer. Unlock some pins, set the trailer brakes, pull forward and the axle(s) slide forward leaving the back on the trailer on the ground. Not sure how one puts it back for trailering. But I've never seen a rollback trailer, but thot I'd ask, living where I do as we're lucky to have push button telephones:-)) And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. But the ultimate trailer that I'd like to build would have 4-6 vertical hydraulic cylinders..get to the show, pull some pins, hit the hydraulic button and the trailer bed raises off the frame. Drive off and let the cylinders down. Instant display and standards for the rope. Optional inflatable pontoons for Portland could be added. Could a guy haul an 8 ton engine with tandem dual axles? Thanks Rob..back to painting with the BOSS..buttering her up for tomorrow's swapmeet and go look at that 8 tonner. later, RickinMT> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > > > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a > > roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the > > recovery of a big engine on the ground. > > > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or > > engines on > > trucks could be a real PITA. > > Hi Rick, > Do you mean a "tilt-bed trailer?" A lot of guys have 'em and like 'em. > Some > are gravity powered, some have a buffer system, others are hydraulically > powered. > > The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. It's > hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No > tilt. > Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the > deck and > you can easily load multiple engines. > > You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the > tilt > bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri May 13 11:30:00 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:30:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <1aa.37f6ae0b.2fb64c28@aol.com> In a message dated 05/13/2005 11:21:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Could a guy haul an 8 ton engine with tandem dual axles? Rick, This site might help you. _Utility Trailer Axle Kits_ (http://www.utilitytrailerkit.com/) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From curt at imc-group.com Fri May 13 12:11:52 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:11:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 Message-ID: <4284FBF8.9070602@imc-group.com> Exhaust valve and connecting rod work this week. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html At the bottom of the page under the 5/13/05 update. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From George_Best at adp.com Fri May 13 13:00:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:00:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 Message-ID: Great webpage on the Baker Monitor. I really enjoy seeing the setups you use on each of the steps of this restoration. I don't have a milling machine, and limited lathe experience so seeing how you use them in a restoration project is fascinating. Keep up the great work. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:12 PM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 > > Exhaust valve and connecting rod work this week. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMon > itorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > At the bottom of the page under the 5/13/05 update. > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Fri May 13 13:23:31 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:23:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <41dmfb$rajst3@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> IT's not a rollback but I just finished my engine getter a month ago, I think you can see a picture at http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3428/6792.jpg It has a 9000 lb winch on the mono rail, the trolley has a ratchet, stops on the rail every 24". The load can be lifted, latched, and trolleyed onto the trailer. The I-beam slides out 10' for loading or in with 2' overhang for traveling. We took it to Maryland with 12 engines and a 22' boat, the boat was unloaded for display. The highlite of the show for many was watching us load the boat on the trailer. J.B. Castagnos From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 13:35:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:35:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 References: <4284FBF8.9070602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt..you make it look so easy RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 > Exhaust valve and connecting rod work this week. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > At the bottom of the page under the 5/13/05 update. > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 13:51:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:51:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160505131351456a510a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/05, Best, George wrote: > Great webpage on the Baker Monitor. > > I really enjoy seeing the setups you use on each of the steps of this > restoration. > > I don't have a milling machine, and limited lathe experience so seeing > how you use them in a restoration project is fascinating. > > Keep up the great work. > > George One of the things I promised myself for retirement was a decent set of machine tools in the workshop. Not just to earn a few pennies when retired, but also to get all those jobs done that I struggled with over the years before we had proper setups. We're getting there slowly, only a few more weeks and we can move the turret mill into the workshop and we are almost there! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 13:54:39 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:54:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <41dmfb$rajst3@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <41dmfb$rajst3@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160505131354736e644d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/05, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > IT's not a rollback but I just finished my engine getter a month ago, I think you can see a picture at > > http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3428/6792.jpg > > It has a 9000 lb winch on the mono rail, the trolley has a ratchet, stops on the rail every 24". The load can be lifted, latched, and trolleyed onto the trailer. The I-beam slides out 10' for loading or in with 2' overhang for traveling. We took it to Maryland with 12 engines and a 22' boat, the boat was unloaded for display. The highlite of the show for many was watching us load the boat on the trailer. > J.B. Castagnos Very Nice.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri May 13 16:25:06 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:25:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4b5a25cc5cd4cc3ff54399c1df9d3ba8@chartertn.net> > And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. And a wench is a luxury. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri May 13 17:10:55 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050513170549.027586c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> > > >The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. It's >hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No tilt. >Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the >deck and >you can easily load multiple engines. This what you mean Rob? http://www.jacobsentrailers.com/selma.htm >You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the tilt >bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. > >Rob > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 13 17:06:25 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:06:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <4b5a25cc5cd4cc3ff54399c1df9d3ba8@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <02c001c5581a$1aea8be0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Or, in my case, a waste of time!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck >> And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. > > And a wench is a luxury. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 13 18:23:27 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:23:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! References: Message-ID: <015301c55823$880c3c10$a65bef18@pengy> I really don't see the problem. Can't you just buy the old machinery that you would want to preserve? Rick From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 13 18:35:49 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:35:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photo database UPDATE In-Reply-To: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> References: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <428555F5.8080906@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for the many comments. Ken's site is one I have used, but as he said, it has been neglected. Still nice work. Don's site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/oldshows/image-index-a.html is the best I've seen. Great work there, and well worth a bookmark. There are many who have made information available to all of us. The one thing I found lacking was a photo database. The two above are pretty good by the way. I do not have too much time or energy, but figured maybe I could work on this, much like Rob is working on the patent information. It would be an ongoing project, as time allows, but it has to start somewhere. Here are my thoughts. I would like to start with engines owned by members of the lists. I want the pictures send to me. I do not want to link to other pages as it will cause broken links down the road. One site, one source for all the data. I would build html pages for each engine so I could add text. That is where all of you come in. You would send me photos of your engines and describe them as best you can with type, year, model, etc. I will give credit to the photographer, and will add the owners name if they wish. I think that would be a good starting point. I would also like folks like Maytag Mark to add their expertise on the engines they know about. Variations between models and countries and all that good stuff. Hyperlinks between models could be added so for example one could see the difference between an IH LA and LB with a mouse click. This is a huge project, but I will take it on if all of you will help. I would also like someone to provide web space for this. I could buy a domain and find a home for this, but would prefer not to have to do that. I have a test page in the works as a sample. I'll try to share it for feedback in the next few days. In closing, you folks would be doing a lot of the work, and I would assemble it. As always, comments welcome. Jeff Allen From christison at coastalnet.com Fri May 13 18:47:06 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:47:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Photo database UPDATE Message-ID: <410-2200556141476468@coastalnet.com> Jeff, Here is a page with information indexed very well, in my opinion: http://www.owwm.com/ Putting a page together like this is not cheap since it requires a pretty good amount of bandwidth and storage space. This is supported by members of the OWWM list which is on Yahoo. It is a great list, but buying old tools can really get addictive, so I have not kept up with it for a couple of years. Take care. Ken From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 13 18:46:03 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:46:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <20050513.214928.652.5.jlb94@juno.com> Oooohh Yeahhhh !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 13 18:44:48 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:44:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 Message-ID: <20050513.214928.652.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Curt, I like this step-by-step method. Learn something every time. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 13 19:30:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:30:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <4b5a25cc5cd4cc3ff54399c1df9d3ba8@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200505140230.j4E2UUcP068804@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. > And a wench is a luxury. And if you have the kind that is manually cranked, a winch wench can come in very handy. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 13 19:32:47 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:32:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050513170549.027586c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505140232.j4E2Wnj1069320@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > This what you mean Rob? > http://www.jacobsentrailers.com/selma.htm Hi Larry, That's the style that I meant. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri May 13 20:07:22 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:07:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <1c2.289733d1.2fb6c56a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/13/2005 10:04:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: And if you have the kind that is manually cranked, a winch wench can come in very handy. and if it comes loose in your hand, a winch wench wrench might help. From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri May 13 20:47:06 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Generator Hookup, the devil you say! Message-ID: <20050514034706.36882.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> There is an old electrician's saying about high voltage AC and high voltage DC. Getting shocked with alternating current is like shaking hands with the devil, but when you get shocked with direct current you shake hands with Saint Peter. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri May 13 22:05:33 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:05:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Generator Hookup, the devil you say! In-Reply-To: <20050514034706.36882.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505140505.j4E55Tv17556@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Man, I can only say that I am one lucky man!!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Allen Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:47 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] OT Generator Hookup, the devil you say! There is an old electrician's saying about high voltage AC and high voltage DC. Getting shocked with alternating current is like shaking hands with the devil, but when you get shocked with direct current you shake hands with Saint Peter. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 14 10:37:17 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:37:17 Subject: [SEL] Re: A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia In-Reply-To: <200505131000.j4DA09mF020984@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050514103717.009a9a78@127.0.0.1> At 06:00 AM 13/05/2005 -0400, Hi all you Aussies, So you are going to start selling scrap iron. Welcome to the 3rd world. We (in South Africa) have lived with that problem for years. Who knows how many beautiful old engines have ended up in the smelting works here? We have had a thriving scrap iron business going here for many years. At least you guys have a "Heritage Law". In South Africa we have a "redistribution policy". What this means is that if you have something that a "previously disadvantaged" individual could sell for a few bucks then you are not going to have it for much longer. Given time I could dig up (out of my backups) pics of a Lister LD circa 1960 (granted not a valueable old engine) that was driving a water pump supplying a farmhouse. One morning the owner had no water and on investigation found that all the aluminium housings on his engine had been smashed with a hammer to be sold as scrap. ( In our currency scrap value realised was probably less than ZAR 30.00 - replacement value of the engine was approx. ZAR 15,000.00). This engine is now lying in my yard to be used for spare parts - given to me by the previous owner. I personally have lost from a locked store that only 2 employees have ever had access to in the last 5 years (I'm not going to get racist so I will not tell you the colour of their skin - also, in South Africa, we may no longer report the perpetrator of a crime's race or colour if he is black). the following: 1) Blue Diamond / Briggs & Stratton genset bought new in 1973 and used for 1 1/2 years - thereafter kept in store. (Scrap value less than ZAR 50.00 - replacement value approx ZAR 2500.00 2) CAT high pressure washer (aluminium casing) with 5 HP electric motor (Scrap value less than ZAR 100.00 - replacement approx. ZAR 5000.00) 3) 2 Vintage Bookpresses (approx 100 years old) (scrap value less than ZAR 50.00 each - replacement value - irreplaceable) (They were heavy "chunks of cast iron with big Brass handles) 4) 2 Antique "London type" lampposts (scrap less than ZAR 50.00 - irreplaceable) 5) An 18 HP English Electric motor (too heavy for 4 people to pick up) (Value ???) (Motors have copper wire in them) 6)Electric and hand tools too numerous to list. 7) Brand new Datsun 6 cylinder, cylinder head - aluminium. (value ???) 8) Brand new Volkswagen twin port cylinder head (the old type) aluminium. (value ???) 9) Solid brass free standing antique reading lamp - copy of "Nelson's Column" in London (value - I recently saw one advertised on the net for more than 2500.00 English pounds - scrap value less than ZAR 100.00 or about 12 English pounds) 10) Wisconsin Air cooled engine (approx 6 HP) in working condition (Value not known) 11) Hatz diesel engine in working condition (Value not known) 12) 5 HP Tecumseh engine close coupled to centrifugal water pump (Brand new - kept as spare) (Value not known). There is a lot more but I've probably bored you guys enough now! I live on a 5 acre plot (small holding) and built a cottage for my son to live in about 75 yards from my house - I included a lockup store (The store mentioned) to keep all my "stuff" in. This was only completed in 2001 which is when I packed the "stuff" into it. There were times when I sent one or both of the aforementioned employees to this store to fetch something without supervision. These were the only times that the store was ever unlocked without supervision. Of course they profess to know nothing about the missing items! We have a "scrapyard" in the vicinity who, in the past, have been found in possession of a complete aluminium irrigation system belonging to one of the local farmers (unfortunately no longer of any use to him as all the piping was chopped up into short lengths), various aluminium ladders (also chopped up), copper hot water geysers stolen from vacant houses and many more valueable items - yet they are still allowed to operate ! We also have people of dubious character who go from property to property collecting "scrap iron" - sometimes legit other times not. I had a case about 8 years ago where some one entered my property when I was away and told my employees that I had sent them to pick up the empty 44 gallon steel drums that I was using as scaffolding when building - they even had the cheek to get the said employees to help them load the drums. Fortunately I traced the drums to a local drum reconditioning plant and was able to lay a charge against these people. By the way, I can safely tell you that they were white people - we are not allowed to tell you their race if they are black!! That would be considered "racist". So Aussies, I sympathise with you because "I've been there - done that and even bought the "T" shirt". Better buy up all those old engines that are lying around while you still have the chance and also lock up those you have before they get "redistributed" :-) Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat May 14 04:43:36 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:43:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Heritage Park Opens! Message-ID: <021a01c5587a$2a18f420$a65bef18@pengy> Starting Saturday May 28 until Sept. 3 the Tod Engine Heritage park will be open on Saturdays from noon until 5 pm. The park is a long way from being finished however it may still be worth your while to stop by and view our progress as we reassemble and restore the historic Tod Engine. If you are coming from outside the area email or call ahead of time to make sure that someone will be at the park. During inclement weather we may be at the restoration shop in Struthers instead so its always good to call first. email rick at todengine.org phone 330-728-2799 Thanks and I hope to see you in Youngstown! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 14 09:06:42 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:06:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <20050513174124.53899.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well thanks much gang for a very informative thread! Ya'll provided some nice up-to-date info on whats available to this ole drug store cowboy. Well today Corky is down at the Billings swapmeet, just called and said don't bother. 1 Waukeshau and two tired Maytags are the only engines there so far. Lots of old tired tractors tho. If anyone on the list wins the magnet charger on ebay, get with me. I have one just like it and there's some very nice iron accessories that go with it. I could get the local votech to cut them out on their pattern cutter..next school year. later gang RickinMt. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat May 14 12:24:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:24:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz Message-ID: <36.72cadf2a.2fb7aa5e@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:53:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: << Hope to see ya at Concord, on the 21st :o) >> Hi Dwight, Thanks for information. Today was show workday, mow, lay our grounds, put up fences, stake flea market, grade pulling track, move rock crusher/haybaler into position, unpack storage trailer full of tables/chairs/kiddie train/ etc., and many various and sundry jobs. Will probably be there from Thursday on. Hope the weather holds and you are able to come. I will be helping with the engine parking this year, so should not be hard to find on my 4-wheeler. Have a nice weekend, Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sat May 14 12:31:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:31:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <15d.50d6da7b.2fb7ac1c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/13/2005 4:47:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: << IT's not a rollback but I just finished my engine getter a month ago >> JB, Now that is an engine getter from the word go!! You must be in the casket vault business!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat May 14 12:57:07 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:57:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Photo database UPDATE Message-ID: <96.275fc819.2fb7b213@aol.com> In a message dated 5/13/2005 9:57:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << here are many who have made information available to all of us. The one thing I found lacking was a photo database. >> Jeff, Here is a reference site I use some to look at pictures of engines. http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/ Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jbcast at charter.net Sat May 14 15:48:57 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:48:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <41b17u$u7l91b@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Now that is an engine getter from the word go!! You must be in the casket > vault business!! > > Tom Schmutz Tom, I'm not in the vault business, but I do service work on the trucks for a local vault comapany. When the owner saw my trailer he was excited, figured how many he could put on it when he has to make long distance trips. J.B. Castagnos From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 15 02:04:46 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:04:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display Message-ID: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A lot of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun May 15 02:33:56 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:33:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display References: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004901c55931$37640ae0$0301a8c0@Cam> Beautiful photo's Patrick, thanx. That's a nice profile of Ron... Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display >I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A >lot > of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. > We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 15 10:23:47 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:23:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! Message-ID: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=7514619330 Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 15 10:31:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:31:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Manual wanted for 3hp Galloway Message-ID: Howdy all..can anyone help me out here? This is not for the spedup and rerated 2&1/4 hp. All I'm trying to do is find out the p/n's for the rod and piston. http://community.webshots.com/album/101104583GxaPxx TIA RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 15 10:55:26 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:55:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Yea Rob..Cork and I were up at his place Friday, pickin up the Cushman. He's a real nice guy and is selling some of his collection. He's located in Simm's Montana...and man does he have the iron..whew!! Actually it's his daughter that's listing the items. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=7514619330 > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 15 11:31:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:31:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: 280 rockets whew. I know he has others..one might ask him/her if he' going to put them up on ebay. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! > Yea Rob..Cork and I were up at his place Friday, pickin up the Cushman. > He's a real nice guy and is selling some of his collection. He's located > in Simm's Montana...and man does he have the iron..whew!! Actually it's > his daughter that's listing the items. > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:23 AM > Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > > > &item=7514619330 > > > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > > La Habra, California > > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 15 15:12:39 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:12:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505152212.j4FMCeWS088261@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > 280 rockets whew. I know he has others..one might ask > him/her if he' going to put them up on ebay. I'm no magnet charger expert, but if this is a commercial quality, gauss spewing, mongo heavy charger, the price seems reasonable. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 15 15:41:11 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:41:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display References: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000f01c5599f$32824f00$f785dccb@oemcomputer> Well done mate. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display > I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A lot > of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. > We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 15 17:44:46 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:44:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <200505152212.j4FMCeWS088261@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505152212.j4FMCeWS088261@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4287ECFE.5080607@earthlink.net> It is not commercial quality, but not a bad charger. I bought mine from the same people, and they must have a bunch of em. I contacted Ted Brookover before I bought mine, and he is a go to guy on chargers. Nice little charger, and going a little too high in my opinion. I have seen pictures of the Bosch unit Ted has and it is commercial. In the wrong hands I think it could suck a car through your garage door or wipe several hard drives that are near. Jeff Rob Skinner wrote: >>280 rockets whew. I know he has others..one might ask >>him/her if he' going to put them up on ebay. >> >> > >I'm no magnet charger expert, but if this is a commercial quality, gauss >spewing, mongo heavy charger, the price seems reasonable. >=-=-=-=-=-= >Rob Skinner >La Habra, California >mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com >http://www.rustyiron.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 15 10:55:38 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:55:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> On 5/15/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > &item=7514619330 > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com Bit of a crossed-up url there, Robbie: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7514619330 Nice item though.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun May 15 20:18:19 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:18:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050515231551.0e1c1d78@mail.alltel.net> >On 5/15/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > > &item=7514619330 > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > >Bit of a crossed-up url there, Robbie: >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7514619330 >Nice item though.... >Peter Worked fine for me Peter. Perhaps you need a newer 'puter--the 1972 mainframe you continue to use just doesn't cut it anymore! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 15 23:09:10 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:09:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050515231551.0e1c1d78@mail.alltel.net> References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050515231551.0e1c1d78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051523092f212997@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Worked fine for me Peter. Perhaps you need a newer 'puter--the 1972 > mainframe you continue to use just doesn't cut it anymore! > Dave > Yes, it's the coal-fired processor, Dave, it just is too damm slow these days! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 16 02:27:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:27:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Jay Peters Message-ID: <004d01c559f9$6cc81d70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I just got my copy of the GEM and on the back page is an ad showing all Breich Peters Castings, patterns, plans, etc. Having built a number of the 1/2 size Olds, Domestic and the Nanzy, I can say that they are top models and I hope someone goes for the lot and keeps them available to the modelmaking public. I would be pleased if someone can inform me on the outcome of this auction, as I plan to make more of these models. Thanks. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon May 16 04:33:34 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:33:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement in Australia!!! In-Reply-To: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> So go to Smorgon and buy it for double scrap price - let them bring it to town for you! They are particularly after steel - they're not interested in cast iron. Paul peter ogborne wrote: > This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that > could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. > Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by > Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian > farms . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks > ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy > earner for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 > to Fire Brigades for every tonne collected. > York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon > i have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying > around''. > Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do > BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the > story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some > restorer would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what > else is out there ? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 16 05:10:05 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. it is shown in the last 2 pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. the front wheels will turn under the main skid. marv in minn From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 16 07:37:16 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:37:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4288B01C.7040102@imc-group.com> Marvin, VERY nice! Curious....on the thermosyphon system what is the purpose of the vertical leg going straight up from the tee that is over the cylinder head? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. >it is shown in the last 2 pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= > >the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it >slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. >just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. >the front wheels will turn under the main skid. > >marv in minn > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 16 07:48:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:48:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart Message-ID: <19f.33e197c2.2fba0cb2@aol.com> In a message dated 5/16/2005 8:46:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday >> Marv, The cart puts a nice finishing touch to a great engine. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 16 08:05:23 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:05:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Update 05/16/05 Message-ID: <4288B6B3.7000109@imc-group.com> Had a good weekend of shop work with Devin and the rebuild of his Baker Monitor. The last 9 images at the bottom of this link, or where is is titled 5/16/05 Update: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 16 08:10:32 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:10:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4288B01C.7040102@imc-group.com> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <4288B01C.7040102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <30707.199.62.0.252.1116256232.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> it has a vent hole in the top. the water level in the tank would be just above the top horizontal pipe. marv > Marvin, > VERY nice! > Curious....on the thermosyphon system what is the purpose of the > vertical leg going straight up from the tee that is over the cylinder > head? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 16 08:51:55 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:51:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OTTO pinstriping ? In-Reply-To: <19f.33e197c2.2fba0cb2@aol.com> References: <19f.33e197c2.2fba0cb2@aol.com> Message-ID: <18633.199.62.0.252.1116258715.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> did the OTTO engines have pinstriping? if so, does anyone have any pics or details of pinstriping for them. thanks, marv in minn From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon May 16 09:55:37 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050516094540.024375a0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi....... This past Saturday a few WAPA members got together to help support a fund raiser for the Mennonite World Relief Fund. Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/upland/ I included a few pictures of a 1936 Steyr automobile (one of only three known in the world) that was designed by Ferdinand Porsche before he did the Volkswagen. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon May 16 10:57:53 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:57:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Nice Job, Marv. It looks good under that engine! Steve >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart >Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:05 -0500 (CDT) > >i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. >it is shown in the last 2 pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= > >the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it >slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. >just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. >the front wheels will turn under the main skid. > >marv in minn > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon May 16 15:40:39 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:40:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display In-Reply-To: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: HI Patrick, Thanks for the great pics mate. Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display >Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:04:46 +1000 > >I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A >lot >of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. >We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. >Some pics at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 16 16:21:43 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] BESSEMER PISTON RING SET (#7516395411) Message-ID: Hi Folks, Need some BIG rings? Wanna impress the neighbors? 8-)) See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7516395411 ----------------------------------------------------------------- BESSEMER PISTON RING SET Item number: 7516395411 Starting bid: US $29.99 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary NEW OLD STOCK 3 RING SET This is a set of three pistons rings for a Bessemer engine. They may fit other engine brands. Each cast iron ring weighs 6 1/4 pounds. Closed diameter is 16". Open diameter is 16 1/2". Each ring is 1" wide and 1/2" thick. I purchased these rings when I purchased some Bessemer engines. The engines ranged in size from 85 to 165HP, so these rings may fit that size range. From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon May 16 17:58:32 2005 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:58:32 GMT Subject: [SEL] Jay Peters Message-ID: <20050516.175910.16051.34957@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Hi Reg, interesting that you should mention this ad in GEM. I received mine in the mail today also and I am in Maine. I heard that Jay's health isn't too good. I hope that someone will continue it also. I have an original Breish Associated model of the 2 1/4hp Hired Man. Take care, Joe Kelley ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today! From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon May 16 18:03:37 2005 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:03:37 GMT Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction Message-ID: <20050516.180429.16051.35043@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today! From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon May 16 18:10:16 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:10:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3><4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <005201c55a7d$301595e0$0301a8c0@Cam> Nice job Marvin ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart >i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. > it is shown in the last 2 pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= > > the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it > slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. > just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. > the front wheels will turn under the main skid. > > marv in minn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon May 16 18:40:25 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:40:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Update 05/16/05 References: <4288B6B3.7000109@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006b01c55a81$66040e30$0301a8c0@Cam> Coming along nicely Curt & Devin. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Update 05/16/05 > Had a good weekend of shop work with Devin and the rebuild of his Baker > Monitor. The last 9 images at the bottom of this link, or where is is > titled 5/16/05 Update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon May 16 20:27:30 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:27:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC Message-ID: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a tool to find top dead center. It might be fine for an engine that has timing marks. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 _Click here: eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC Top Dead Center Locater - Simple to Use!_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4381307417&rd=1) From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon May 16 23:48:07 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:48:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050516094540.024375a0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801c55aac$62694cb0$0301a8c0@Cam> Nice pictures Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures > Hi....... > > This past Saturday a few WAPA members got together to help support a fund > raiser for the Mennonite World Relief Fund. > Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/upland/ > > I included a few pictures of a 1936 Steyr automobile (one of only three > known in the world) that was designed by Ferdinand Porsche before he did > the Volkswagen. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 17 06:52:19 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:52:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? R Fink PA At 08:27 PM 5/16/2005, you wrote: >Hi List, >Here is a tool to find top dead center. It might be fine for an engine that >has timing marks. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > >_Click here: eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal >TDC Top Dead Center Locater - Simple to Use!_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4381307417&rd=1) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 04:51:16 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:51:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementin Australia!!!...now collectors or restorers References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001401c55ad6$bf5afe80$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> I think that there is a big difference between a collector and a restorer. The latter derives more pleasure restoring rather than running around the country with a cheque book . I would fall into the latter category .....I can honestly say i have only ever paid for an engine once and that was too bloody much . Perhaps i have been lucky but i have always been given or swapped engines. Should i hang my head in shame ? I would rather spend the money on tools or equipment and enjoy the challenge of bringing an engine back to life.I am sure there are many who share the same sentiments. As for getting off my arse and going around and buying worthy pieces of machinery ......that is the sort of response i would expect from a cheque book collector. --- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementin Australia!!! > So go to Smorgon and buy it for double scrap price - let them bring it to > town for you! > > They are particularly after steel - they're not interested in cast iron. > > Paul > > peter ogborne wrote: >> This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that >> could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. >> Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by >> Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian >> farms . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks >> ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy >> earner for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 to >> Fire Brigades for every tonne collected. >> York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon >> i have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying >> around''. >> Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do >> BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the >> story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some >> restorer would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what else >> is out there ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 05:07:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:07:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051705074d09e83a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference between > compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > R Fink > PA > Doesn't have to, it is just finding TDC....... It probably won't whistle on the exhaust stroke. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue May 17 05:17:15 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:17:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade Message-ID: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> Hi All Not being as efficient as Patrick, I've only just done the webpage for Rushden Cavalcade, the show we went to a couple of weeks ago (but hey, at least that's better than Arnie!), so enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/rushden.htm Engines are on the first page, some of the other stuff on the second. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 05:34:14 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! References: Message-ID: <003901c55adc$c0262f00$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! > >> Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >> machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >> it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >> export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >> countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. > >> Peter A Forbes > > Peter, > > The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of > the country. > > When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in > and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving > the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving > the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. > > Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving > the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only > known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. > Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the > rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official > paperwork on stating it could be exported. > > I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went > to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. > > Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making > supplemental income as part of their job. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue May 17 05:46:15 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:46:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade References: 14722163 Message-ID: <004101c55ade$69c847e0$0301a8c0@Cam> Very nice layout there Helen, great photo's. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade > Hi All > Not being as efficient as Patrick, I've only just done the webpage for > Rushden Cavalcade, the show we went to a couple of weeks ago (but hey, > at least that's better than Arnie!), so enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/rushden.htm > Engines are on the first page, some of the other stuff on the second. > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 05:48:11 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:48:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia References: <200505130634.j4D6YQPn053084@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <006301c55ade$bc619b00$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Rob ...I guess i can buy an argument on Slick Willy ...i will give him a go! As for getting you a couple of tonnes of sideshafts .....give me your postal address. Never been guilty of ripping of those poor souls you speak of . I have found that '' up front honesty" pays off. I was given a Smiths Motor Wheel by a poor old demented lady ......I checked with her son and daughter and landed up with a couple of old Listers ,all gifts.Having been told to get off my arse and go and buy all that desirable iron .............! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia > >> When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt >> very despondent about the future of our hobby. > > Peter, > While I've not been to Oz and my perspective is clouded by my limited > American > experience, I'm still very sceptical of your media's reporting. Do you > REALLY > have three billion pounds of collectible iron ready to go to the smelter? > We > have junk yards with who-knows-how-many-tons of old equipment, but most of > it > you'd not haul away if it was given to you for free. > > If in fact there are 3,000,000,000 pounds of old sideshaft engines ready > to get > melted down, please set aside a few dozen tons for me. I'll gladly pay > double > the scrap price and will toss in a case of California style ale. > >>,just look around you and see how many things are >> now made in China. The cheap labour costs >> and their demand as a consumer is frightening! > > Come join us on the Slick Willy List, where we love to toss around ideas > like > these. If you're the sensitive sort who gets mopey over the exchange of > diverse > ideas, it might not be for you. > >> The value of engines will rise ,nothing will be given away > > Should collectors get valuable engines for free? Is that not taking > advantage > of the ignorant seller? I'm sure there are theologians among us who can > offer > council on whether to offer a poor widow a fair price, or to offer a > ridiculously low price in an attempt to decieve the seller. > > Good luck saving all the good stuff. > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue May 17 05:52:30 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:52:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: 14732970 Message-ID: <004601c55adf$4983abe0$0301a8c0@Cam> They will probably smash it all with an Excavator and hammer Peter, they can get more on a truck that way, heartbreaking to even think about it. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinerymovementinAustralia!!! > And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be > prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up > and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking > all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! > All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie > the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery > movementinAustralia!!! > > >> >>> Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>> machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>> it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>> export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>> countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >> >>> Peter A Forbes >> >> Peter, >> >> The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >> the country. >> >> When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >> and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >> the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >> the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >> >> Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >> the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >> known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >> Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >> rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >> paperwork on stating it could be exported. >> >> I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >> to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >> >> Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >> supplemental income as part of their job. >> >> George >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 06:15:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:15:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Jim French wrote: > Hi All > Not being as efficient as Patrick, I've only just done the webpage for > Rushden Cavalcade, the show we went to a couple of weeks ago (but hey, > at least that's better than Arnie!), so enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/rushden.htm > Engines are on the first page, some of the other stuff on the second. > > Dolly A lot better location this year, and the weather was as good as you say. We went down on the Saturday morning to have a look, but a lot of stalls were still setting up, so we probably missed a few items. The Real Ale tent was well attended as usual, but they didn't have anything to makr the new site at the old one, so anyone who didn't know where to go would have possibly missed it. I thought that a simple redirection sign at the old place would have been a big benefit for folks coming along the B645 from St Neots or Raunds. Having said that, the signs on the new bypass 'were' in place and most people found it OK It is close enough to us now that we almost thought about walking up to it, but we had to feed the nags anyway so drove over to the field and did that first! Amazing what a bit of dry weather can do... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue May 17 06:58:56 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:58:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4289F8A0.98295D8A@insulate.co.uk> There seemed to be so many new roads around there that I hadn't a clue where we were in relation to the old site! I think the only aspect which we weren't impressed with was that the car park was a long way down the road from the rally site. It was great to see that the stationary engines had been given a good location this time - close to the beer tent and with plenty of foot traffic, not like previous years when they were stuck far away at the bottom of a muddy field. Dolly Listerdiesel wrote: > The Real Ale tent was well attended as usual, but they didn't have > anything to makr the new site at the old one, so anyone who didn't > know where to go would have possibly missed it. I thought that a > simple redirection sign at the old place would have been a big benefit > for folks coming along the B645 from St Neots or Raunds. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 07:28:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:28:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <4289F8A0.98295D8A@insulate.co.uk> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <4289F8A0.98295D8A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605051707284c50df39@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Jim French wrote: > There seemed to be so many new roads around there that I hadn't a clue where > we were in relation to the old site! I think the only aspect which we > weren't impressed with was that the car park was a long way down the road > from the rally site. > It was great to see that the stationary engines had been given a good > location this time - close to the beer tent and with plenty of foot traffic, > not like previous years when they were stuck far away at the bottom of a > muddy field. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: The old site was on the B645, which crosses the new bypass at the second roundabout. The old site is east of the bypass. The new site is south of the town altogether and about a mile south of the end of the bypass. There was a route signposted about 2/3rds of the way along the bypass that took you up the Yielden road and then along Avenue Road from the other end which may have been a bit confusing if you didn't know where you were! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 07:35:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, The thing I like best about the truly local shows like this is that I can take a great many more engines to exhibit. With the distance shows I'm stuck with the one or two that fit on the trailer. For my "local" show I can make three trips and show off a half-dozen engines. WAY more fun that way! In your case, you wouldn't even need to use the trailer; just hand-drag the engines over to the rally field!! See ya, Arnie On Tue, 17 May 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > It is close enough to us now that we almost thought about walking up > to it, but we had to feed the nags anyway so drove over to the field > and did that first! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 07:36:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:36:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementin Australia!!!...now collectors or restorers In-Reply-To: <001401c55ad6$bf5afe80$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <001401c55ad6$bf5afe80$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f602516050517073678d4a740@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, peter ogborne wrote: > I think that there is a big difference between a collector and a restorer. > The latter derives more pleasure restoring rather than running around the > country with a cheque book . I would fall into the latter category .....I > can honestly say i have only ever paid for an engine once and that was too > bloody much . Perhaps i have been lucky but i have always been given or > swapped engines. Should i hang my head in shame ? I would rather spend the > money on tools or equipment and enjoy the challenge of bringing an engine > back to life.I am sure there are many who share the same sentiments. > As for getting off my arse and going around and buying worthy pieces of > machinery ......that is the sort of response i would expect from a cheque > book collector. > I don't feel that you can pigeon-hole people quite as easily as that, Peter. Many folks have different circumstances that preclude buying, collecting or restoring engines, but have a love of the hobby. Most of us go through an 'acquisitive phase' for want of a better expression, but it soon cools off once you realise that having 20 tons of old iron out in the shed isn't the best way forward! Restorations are fine if you have the TIME, that rare commodity that few of us have in reality. As for buying, I think we have bought most of our engines at some time or other, but I certainly wouldn't call us 'cheque book collectors', we never had that much money in the first place and didn't have the inclination in the second! :-)) Space is the last thing that most folks don't have a lot of, except for those fortunate enough to have properties with grounds enough to have a decent shed or workshop. Patrick Livingstone makes do very well indeed with his place which is even smaller than our own, and Shannon gives him a hand too! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 07:50:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction In-Reply-To: <20050516.180429.16051.35043@webmail28.lax.untd.com> References: <20050516.180429.16051.35043@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved (furthur north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that aren't listed. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 08:13:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:13:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > The thing I like best about the truly local shows like this is that > I can take a great many more engines to exhibit. With the distance shows > I'm stuck with the one or two that fit on the trailer. For my "local" > show I can make three trips and show off a half-dozen engines. WAY more > fun that way! In your case, you wouldn't even need to use the trailer; > just hand-drag the engines over to the rally field!! > > See ya, Arnie I can't quite see me and Rita dragging the Ruston & Hornsby up the hill from town! Agree with what you are saying though, and if the Cavalcade organisers get their act together it could grow quite nicely at the new site. Still, it's nice to be able to look forward to Portland this year.... :-))) Must ask Dave how many weeks, days, hours and seconds to go! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue May 17 08:24:47 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <428A0CBF.763B17C5@insulate.co.uk> Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Must ask Dave how many weeks, days, hours and seconds to go! http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 08:52:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:52:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <428A0CBF.763B17C5@insulate.co.uk> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> <428A0CBF.763B17C5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605051708525569abef@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Jim French wrote: > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > > > > > Must ask Dave how many weeks, days, hours and seconds to go! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html > > Dolly I should have guessed!! :-)) Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 09:02:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Tue, 17 May 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > I can't quite see me and Rita dragging the Ruston & Hornsby up the > hill from town! Easy peasy! Harness up the nags! Make 'em earn their food! Or use the trailer... 8-)) See ya, Arnie From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 15:48:58 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:48:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List Message-ID: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled Engine. Thanks Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 15:57:51 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Trivia for OZ listeners. In-Reply-To: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: WOW!! Sorta looks like Peter Lowe. Kaye's gonna de-nut him when she finds out how much he spent!! 8-)) On Wed, 18 May 2005, John Hammink wrote: > All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD > at the Nuenen engine swap????? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 17 18:57:53 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:57:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051705074d09e83a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6f60251605051705074d09e83a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517185726.01a7beb0@mail.pennswoods.net> At 05:07 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >On 5/17/05, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference between > > compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > > R Fink > > PA > > OK > >Doesn't have to, it is just finding TDC....... It probably won't >whistle on the exhaust stroke. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ivancou at alltel.net Tue May 17 08:06:31 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> Message-ID: <000601c55af2$02ce7f00$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Ok , this is for use at Portland so its on topic. But I dont want to p*** everyone off listening to a gen howling away .. So I put together a belt driven generator so we can run the ac in the camper by day . Its chuggin along at 2400 rpm , with 115 under a 2400 watt load . Much better than one screaming at 3600 rpm . But how to quiet it down a little more ? I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can lower the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo tone mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . Suggestions ? Ivan From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 16:16:15 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:16:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: 14732970 <004601c55adf$4983abe0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <002501c55b36$86eb0d00$f19881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Cam .....congratulations, you seem to be the only one to see the ''Big Picture''. You are quite correct ,what condition would a nice big flywheel be in after a excavator had knocked it around ......Smorgons are not going to line all this scrap up for you and i to have a look at...into the truck and into the ship. I suppose i will get another lengthy ''Lecture '' on this subject, still that's what the list is about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > They will probably smash it all with an Excavator and hammer Peter, they > can get more on a truck that way, heartbreaking to even think about it. > Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical > machinerymovementinAustralia!!! > > >> And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be >> prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped >> up and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' >> checking all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! >> All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie >> the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Best, George" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery >> movementinAustralia!!! >> >> >>> >>>> Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>>> machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>>> it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>>> export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>>> countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >>> >>>> Peter A Forbes >>> >>> Peter, >>> >>> The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >>> the country. >>> >>> When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >>> and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >>> the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >>> the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >>> >>> Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >>> the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >>> known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >>> Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >>> rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >>> paperwork on stating it could be exported. >>> >>> I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >>> to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >>> >>> Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >>> supplemental income as part of their job. >>> >>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 17:28:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:28:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1913 IHC Famous 6HP Message-ID: <009a01c55b40$7d6765d0$230110ac@PAUL> Folks if anyone is interested in a 1913 IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled engine I just posted on Harry's EnginAds site. Trying to rake up enough money to go to Portland this year. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 17:30:35 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050518003035.48808.qmail@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup Arnie, They moved to Fairview, Michigan. That is just about two hours east of me here on Michigan's M-72. Where I work we supply such things as Anderson Windows and Formica brand laminate and many more items all over most of Michigan. Every time I ship a piece of Formica to Fairview Lumber I start thinking about when I can find a day to head over there. I need to look up their phone number. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Joe, > > When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved (furthur > north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he > doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that > aren't listed. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in > > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 > > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer > > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including > > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 17 18:17:01 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:17:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got these from my club, and had to post them. Since I have to test drive the links, I figured I would share. They are scans and a little large if you care to look at them. The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running engines. Once the day is done would be another story. I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance company put the pressure on. The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other places, and with other clubs. As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: http://frapa.us/Ins.html http://frapa.us/Safety.html http://frapa.us/Code.html Jeff Allen From davidtief at abac.com Tue May 17 18:20:32 2005 From: davidtief at abac.com (David Tiefenbrunn) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:20:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator In-Reply-To: <000601c55af2$02ce7f00$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> Message-ID: <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> At 11:06 AM 5/17/2005 -0400, Ivan wrote: >But how to quiet it down a little more ? > I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can lower >the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo tone >mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . I was at an event where we had to run one of those noisy things. I found that folding table laid over on it's side made a wall between the genny and us that took a lot of the "bite" out of the noise. Higher & denser material (plywood / particle board) would be more effective. A heavy blanket or rug on the genny side would help even more. The barrier can be a couple feet away from the genny. It does have to be high enough to block the "line of site" between the genny and the ears that don't want to hear it. Dave David Tief. N1WWY Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 18:42:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:42:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Meeting Place in St Louis for Engine Xfer Message-ID: <00d101c55b4a$e109cab0$230110ac@PAUL> Looking for someone to tell me where on the South side of St. Louis would be a good spot to meet someone and unload a engine. He is coming from Covington, Ohio and I am coming from Central Arkansas and I am meeting him half way. If any of you folks live around the St. Louis area please let me know where would be a good place....rest stop.....truck stop..???? Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 18:45:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:45:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur Message-ID: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. Paul From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue May 17 18:49:02 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:49:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> Message-ID: <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> You really cant change the generator RPM,s with out messing up the cps (60cps) You can make a 10 to 15% difference with mufflers and barriers, but thats about it. Sell it and spent some extra money on a 4 pole 1800 RPM gen-set. or better yet one of the Honda EU series with built in inverters. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tiefenbrunn" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator > At 11:06 AM 5/17/2005 -0400, Ivan wrote: > >>But how to quiet it down a little more ? >> I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can >> lower >>the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo tone >>mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . > > I was at an event where we had to run one of those noisy things. I found > that folding table laid over on it's side made a wall between the genny > and > us that took a lot of the "bite" out of the noise. Higher & denser > material (plywood / particle board) would be more effective. A heavy > blanket or rug on the genny side would help even more. The barrier can be > a couple feet away from the genny. It does have to be high enough to > block > the "line of site" between the genny and the ears that don't want to hear > it. > > Dave > > > David Tief. N1WWY > Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief > Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at mac.com Tue May 17 18:49:52 2005 From: transteck at mac.com (Jeffrey Allen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:49:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT SPAM Message-ID: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> Hi all, My new domain has been up for two days. I have sent the URL to four people on the damn planet to date. I already got spam from it, and I don't even have a mailbox there yet. Forget the bs with e-mail and hiding it. Ain't gonna work. I do hope he enjoys his copy of the Diesel Story I sent him. Least I can do is take some space and bandwidth for this jerk. Sigh, Jeff Allen From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 18:59:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:59:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f60251605051718595b1db4e1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled Engine. > > Thanks > > Paul There are quite a few folks with that listing, Paul, we have one list, John Hammink has one and there are others. Ours is at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/technical/IHC.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 19:08:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:08:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051719082d8e0b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol > thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have > beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. > Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running > engines. Once the day is done would be another story. > Jeff Allen Hi Jeff: The beer tents are for everyone, but generally most folks use their noddle when operating engines etc., and only get sloshed after the show has closed for the night. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 19:21:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:21:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur In-Reply-To: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Paul Maples wrote: > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. > > Paul It's all on Google, Paul: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Amerihost Inn Decatur 1201 South 13th Street Decatur IN 46733 Tel: 1 219 728-4600 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 19:35:20 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:35:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List References: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> <6f60251605051718595b1db4e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011901c55b52$4099bbf0$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Peter, Ken Christen had send me his site that has all of the numbers, I appreciate the response. I will bookmark your site. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List > On 5/17/05, Paul Maples wrote: >> Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I >> want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP >> Hopper Cooled Engine. >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul > > There are quite a few folks with that listing, Paul, we have one list, > John Hammink has one and there are others. > > Ours is at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/technical/IHC.htm > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 19:42:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:42:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT SPAM In-Reply-To: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> References: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051719423f31ef93@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Jeffrey Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > My new domain has been up for two days. I have sent the URL to four > people on the damn planet to date. I already got spam from it, and I > don't even have a mailbox there yet. Forget the bs with e-mail and > hiding it. Ain't gonna work. I do hope he enjoys his copy of the Diesel > Story I sent him. Least I can do is take some space and bandwidth for > this jerk. > > Sigh, > > Jeff Allen Most spammers use random domain and email name generation these days, Jeff, so you're going to get hit eventually. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue May 17 19:50:05 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:50:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Three good links to cleaning rust-Electrolysis and tea bath. Message-ID: <209.1373249.2fbc075d@aol.com> Hey Fellows; I thought these links would go along good with our old engine restorations, _http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm_ (http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm) _http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm_ (http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm) _http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm_ (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm) See'ya, Bill Miller From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 17 15:47:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:47:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Trivia for OZ listeners. Message-ID: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD at the Nuenen engine swap????? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 17 16:53:06 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:53:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List References: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000501c55b3b$9627b570$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Paul, that engine # is for 1913. You can find them all at my serial number list. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/IHCserialnumbers.htm Smels good :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled Engine. Thanks Paul From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 17 20:44:53 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:44:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Trivia for OZ listeners. In-Reply-To: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200505180344.j4I3itvo009621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD > at the Nuenen engine swap????? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg Hi John, Who can tell? All those Aussies look alike! Rob P.S. BTW, that's a fabulous engine he picked up, whoever he is. From oldengines at bigpond.com Wed May 18 02:03:05 2005 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:03:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Trivia for OZ listeners. References: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002701c55b88$69017430$92038b90@ronliz1> Hi.John Its gone to a good aussie with plenty of engines Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Trivia for OZ listeners. > All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD > at the Nuenen engine swap????? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg > > Take care, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengines at bigpond.com Wed May 18 02:07:30 2005 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:07:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display References: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <004901c55931$37640ae0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <004d01c55b89$05d96e70$92038b90@ronliz1> Hi Cam I'm well fed Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cambelltown Display > Beautiful photo's Patrick, thanx. That's a nice profile of Ron... Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 PM > Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display > > >>I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A >>lot >> of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. >> We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. >> Some pics at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 18 03:56:58 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:56:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050518105646.JMSS3176.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I think your rules are getting more draconian than anyone here could come up with. I have never heard of the need for a code of conduct. Do you really have that much trouble with unruly engine people? What a load of .... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all, I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance company put the pressure on. The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other places, and with other clubs. As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: http://frapa.us/Ins.html http://frapa.us/Safety.html http://frapa.us/Code.html Jeff Allen From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 17 20:30:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:30:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference >between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? >R Fink >PA It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 17 20:28:26 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur In-Reply-To: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232727.04129640@mail.alltel.net> At 09:45 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at >Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. >Paul My goodness, 555-1212 will get the number for you in about 5 seconds! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 18 04:23:31 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:23:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going Message-ID: <20050518112319.JSZD17609.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Good to see one famous name in the Aussie old iron hobby is still going strong: http://www.furphys.com.au/ Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ivancou at alltel.net Wed May 18 04:26:32 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:26:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net><200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Roger , But by using different size pulleys you can run the engine slower but still have the gen turning at 3600 rpm . I have a frequency meter , its running at 115 V 60.7 cyc under a 2000 watt load . The slower rpm s make for less engine noise , although less hp available . Ivan From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 04:37:20 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Three good links to cleaning rust-Electrolysis and tea bath. In-Reply-To: <209.1373249.2fbc075d@aol.com> References: <209.1373249.2fbc075d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1721.165.206.180.144.1116416240.squirrel@antique-engines.com> And I've had this one for several years now: http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Bill > Hey Fellows; > > I thought these links would go along good with our old engine > restorations, > > _http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm_ > (http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm) > > _http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm_ > (http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm) > > _http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm_ > (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm) > > See'ya, > > Bill Miller > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 18 04:46:01 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:46:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur (oh yeah OT) In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <428B2AF9.5080104@imc-group.com> But Peter, it is so much more fun to: 1) Post off topic requests without using the OT preface. 2) Type 100+ pieces of text asking the question that 10 letters of text in google.com or 16 letters of text at amerihostinn.com would answer. 3) Plus there is the added bonus of knowing that 300+ people will have to use their delete key. Curt ;-) P.S. My apologies in advance for your having to use the delete key for this superfluous post. Listerdiesel wrote: >On 5/18/05, Paul Maples wrote: > > >>Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. >> >>Paul >> It's all on Google, Paul: >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>Amerihost Inn Decatur >>1201 South 13th Street >>Decatur IN 46733 >>Tel: 1 219 728-4600 >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>Peter >> >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 18 05:09:58 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:09:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232727.04129640@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007201c55ba2$84e002b0$230110ac@PAUL> Greetings and Salutations Sir Dave, You must remember that old age has slowly but surely invaded this physical connection I have to Mother Earth, the body which contains the mind and brain neither of which is functioning at anywhere near normal capacity. I spent all of my thoughts trying to find my way home everyday and looking far a place to pee. Your kind response is appreciated and I will look for a storage place in the brain that is still working to store this information. Now my friend, go and have a Great Day!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur > At 09:45 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >>Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at >>Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. >>Paul > > My goodness, 555-1212 will get the number for you in about 5 seconds! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 05:21:34 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - be careful when lining your truck beds........ In-Reply-To: <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net><200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <2027.165.206.180.144.1116418894.squirrel@antique-engines.com> http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18595&pagenumber=1 Bill From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 05:40:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:40:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051805402e95cd6f@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: > >I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference > >between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > >R Fink > >PA > > It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > Dave C'mon Dave, your a day behind on that one! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 05:48:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur (oh yeah OT) In-Reply-To: <428B2AF9.5080104@imc-group.com> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> <428B2AF9.5080104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051805487d9a846c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Curt wrote: > But Peter, it is so much more fun to: > 1) Post off topic requests without using the OT preface. > 2) Type 100+ pieces of text asking the question that 10 letters of text > in google.com or 16 letters of text at amerihostinn.com would answer. 3) > Plus there is the added bonus of knowing that 300+ people will have to > use their delete key. > Curt ;-) > P.S. My apologies in advance for your having to use the delete key for > this superfluous post. Actually I was up at 3.00am our time with a bad head cold and it was something to do while some medication (non-alcoholic!) took effect. I must admit to using Google a lot, and usually I tend to go there for information before anywhere else, so it's second nature to punch in the question and get the info. I am surprised more folks don't use it for basic stuff, it is very effective once you get used to phrasing search material so that you get useful data back. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed May 18 05:49:07 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:49:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinerymovementinAustralia!!! In-Reply-To: <003901c55adc$c0262f00$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Hi Peter, in my opinion i dont think too many engines will end up in the scrap heap as the two local srapies here drag any of that sort of stuff out of the heaps.All i have been able to find out is they are going to someone else ( wether they be dealers or collectors i dont know) Either way they are being saved.As for the farmers around most of them go to clearing sales so they would have seen the prices old engines bring which is better than scrap prices. I'm not overly worried and this is my opinion. David. >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical >machinerymovementinAustralia!!! >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 > >And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be prevented >from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up and loaded >into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking all this It >will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! >All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie the >farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery >movementinAustralia!!! > > >> >>>Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>>machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>>it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>>export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>>countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >> >>>Peter A Forbes >> >>Peter, >> >>The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >>the country. >> >>When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >>and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >>the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >>the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >> >>Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >>the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >>known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >>Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >>rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >>paperwork on stating it could be exported. >> >>I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >>to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >> >>Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >>supplemental income as part of their job. >> >>George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 06:02:18 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT SPAM In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051719423f31ef93@mail.gmail.com> References: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> <6f60251605051719423f31ef93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2194.165.206.180.144.1116421338.squirrel@antique-engines.com> They can also watch for creation of new registered domains. If you look at the headers of some spam, you'll see it's a fact, they simply mass-mail to randomly generated names at domains. Domains they can verify exist, the names they generate by the millions. Since it only takes like a 1 percent response for them to make big bucks, the payoff is high. Bill > On 5/18/05, Jeffrey Allen wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> My new domain has been up for two days. I have sent the URL to four >> people on the damn planet to date. I already got spam from it, and I >> don't even have a mailbox there yet. Forget the bs with e-mail and >> hiding it. Ain't gonna work. I do hope he enjoys his copy of the Diesel >> Story I sent him. Least I can do is take some space and bandwidth for >> this jerk. >> >> Sigh, >> >> Jeff Allen > > Most spammers use random domain and email name generation these days, > Jeff, so you're going to get hit eventually. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 06:14:49 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <2225.165.206.180.144.1116422089.squirrel@antique-engines.com> It can't if your exhaust valve doesn't open...... Bill > At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >>I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference >>between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? >>R Fink >>PA > > It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 18 06:35:19 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:35:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going References: <20050518112319.JSZD17609.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c55bae$70384460$8d85dccb@oemcomputer> That's a great site mate.Just had a look and found it of real interest. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:23 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going > Good to see one famous name in the Aussie old iron hobby is still going > strong: > http://www.furphys.com.au/ > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 06:49:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:49:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <2225.165.206.180.144.1116422089.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> <2225.165.206.180.144.1116422089.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505180649778e65fb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > It can't if your exhaust valve doesn't open...... > > Bill > > > At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: > >>I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference > >>between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > >>R Fink > >>PA > > > > It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > > Dave > > Haven't checked my clack valve lately..... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plb at iinet.net.au Wed May 18 06:51:33 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:51:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going References: <20050518112319.JSZD17609.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000d01c55bae$70384460$8d85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011201c55bb0$b3f3d3c0$0501010a@Portable> Just been having a look myself. Had no idea they are still were operating on such a scale. Another tank similar to the Furphy was the Fitz made in Wagga. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Historic Name still going > That's a great site mate.Just had a look and found it of real interest. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:23 > Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going > > >> Good to see one famous name in the Aussie old iron hobby is still going >> strong: >> http://www.furphys.com.au/ >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 18 06:58:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:58:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines Message-ID: G'day all; I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but other show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted one. later, RickinMt. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 18 08:08:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:08:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <20050518.110832.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff Thanks for posting YOUR club's rules. I seriously don't believe anyone would actually try to enforce these rules as they are written. If so - I don't think I would care to attend. Either as an Exhibitor - or - a Spectator. They may be written this way to protect the club should something happen. As for the clothing issue. It's pretty hard to tell a person he can't attend because of the appearance of his clothes. They may be greasy from working on something or they may be "stained" from grease & dirt (as many of mine are). I can put on a pair of jeans that look greasy but are actually clean. I would have to ask why they even put that comment in there. There must be a reason other than to look nice. Alcohol - - - How ya gonna tell someone he can't bring in a few beers in his cooler ? If he gets drunk and outta hand - - - Then the CLUB is protected. I've never seen a club that wouldn't accept a member at ANY age. Just my 2 cents. From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed May 18 08:19:49 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:19:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net><200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com><008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> Yes this is possible, but The rule of thumb is 2 hp per kilowatt at 3600 RPM and 4 HP per kilowatt at 1800 rpm. The losses are large and yes there is some wiggle room Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "ivan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator > Roger , But by using different size pulleys you can run the engine slower > but still have the gen turning at 3600 rpm . I have a frequency meter , > its > running at 115 V 60.7 cyc under a 2000 watt load . The slower rpm s make > for > less engine noise , although less hp available . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 08:50:27 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <20050518.110832.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050518.110832.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <3193.165.206.180.144.1116431427.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Our club has a family membership option - you can join as an individual, or pay just a little more and the whole family is in - regardless of age. Bill > Hi Jeff > > Thanks for posting YOUR club's rules. > > I seriously don't believe anyone would actually try to enforce these > rules as they are written. > If so - I don't think I would care to attend. Either as an Exhibitor - > or - a Spectator. > > They may be written this way to protect the club should something happen. > > As for the clothing issue. It's pretty hard to tell a person he can't > attend because of the appearance of his clothes. They may be greasy from > working on something or they may be "stained" from grease & dirt (as many > of mine are). I can put on a pair of jeans that look greasy but are > actually clean. > > I would have to ask why they even put that comment in there. There must > be a reason other than to look nice. > > Alcohol - - - How ya gonna tell someone he can't bring in a few beers in > his cooler ? If he gets drunk and outta hand - - - Then the CLUB is > protected. > > I've never seen a club that wouldn't accept a member at ANY age. > > Just my 2 cents. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 18 09:55:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Thanks for posting those rules for your club. Some wag (WC Fields, Groucho Marks, Mark Twain, ???) once said that they wouldn't want to join any club that would have them as a member. I certainly would have nothing whatsoever to do with a club that felt a need to promulgate rules such as these. I really hope that you include a copy of these rules in your advertising for club events so that folks can make an informed choice about whether to attend or not. I have a couple of comments on the rules. No alcohol. If this is a "pro forma" rule, then OK. Perhaps half the shows I attend have such a rule posted. If they actually enforce it, then I will not attend. I don't as a rule drink either water or soft drinks at a show. A cold beer OTOH is a nice refreshment. Grownups need to be held accountable for their actions. Stupidity around machinery can also happen to a Pepsi drinker. To penelize someone for their choice of beverage is simply stupid. I've been to a great many English engine rallys and have enjoyed the beer tent. As with drinking at shows in the US, moderation is the key while the engines are running. Recognizing that some folks are still mentally in the 1920's (especially in the Bible belt) and regard all alcohol as "The Demon Rum", I will generally be discreet and drink my beer from a covered coffee mug. It also keeps the wasps out. 8-)) Display Areas. I will never attend any show that prohibits spectators around the machinery. As Reg said, what's the point? If I choose to allow a young engine man to start one of my engines (as I've done a number of times with my Lorenz), that's my call. RPM Requirements. This is just plain stupid. Steam Engines. The mind boggles. I'm not into steam, but my guess is that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban every out of state steamer. It would make sense to require that the steamer and operator meet the requirements of their home state. And for sure, you better make THIS requirement known in ALL of your advertising. Someone who had trucked a huge Case to your show only to be told, "Sorry mate, you're not licensed in Colorado." would be SERIOUSLY pissed off. Dress Code. That is the most priceless bit. The mind boggles. I sincerly would love to meet the TWIT to whom this matters!! CLEARLY, your club needs to add one more rule specifying in DETAIL the standard of restoration and rarity that will be permitted for exhibits at club shows. It's obviously as important that one doesn't exhibit a tatty Maytag as that one exhibits in natty knickers. BTW, DO NOT expect to find my application to join your club. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol > thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have > beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. > Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running > engines. Once the day is done would be another story. > > I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the > time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. > Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll > try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his > age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the > rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance > company put the pressure on. > > The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception > of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to > tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I > do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now > I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other > places, and with other clubs. > > As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: > http://frapa.us/Ins.html > http://frapa.us/Safety.html > http://frapa.us/Code.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 10:12:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:12:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator In-Reply-To: <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <6f60251605051810122759b46c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Yes this is possible, but The rule of thumb is 2 hp per kilowatt at 3600 RPM > and 4 HP per kilowatt at 1800 rpm. The losses are large > and yes there is some wiggle room > When we used to build silenced generators for the film & TV industries, we made up sound deadening panels from a steel tray, filled with rockwool, covered in polythene and then covered with perforated steel or ali sheet. It is also possible to get lead sheet bonded with foam that is almost as good and slightly lighter. The aim is to absorb the sound and stop it reflecting out from the source off nearby objects. One of the most difficult things we had to silence was the cooling fan on one of the 50kW gennies. This had a particularly noisy whine which we had a lot of trouble getting rid of as it was placed adjacent to a join in two of the panels. In the end we made an internal mini-cover that sat across the fan opening and took out the worst of the noise, allowing the main covers to do the rest. High frequencies tend to be noticed more than low, and I think we got down to 3dbA at 3metres or about 10 feet, mainly in the sub-50hz frequencies from the cabinet itself vibrating from the engine movement. The larger sets had labrynth air passages in the doors to allow cooling air in and out. A simple U shaped cover with sound-deadening material inside should work well, but you'd need to experiment with placing of the cover with respect to the engine cooling fan and the place of most noise emission. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 10:54:08 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3423.165.206.180.144.1116438848.squirrel@antique-engines.com> C'mon, Arnie - all they want is for the FATG to dress like Oliver W. Douglas when he runs his plow! Even Arnold was always clean and well dressed. Priceless is a nice word............... Bill > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks for posting those rules for your club. Some wag (WC Fields, > Groucho Marks, Mark Twain, ???) once said that they wouldn't want to join > any club that would have them as a member. > > I certainly would have nothing whatsoever to do with a club that felt a > need to promulgate rules such as these. I really hope that you include a > copy of these rules in your advertising for club events so that folks can > make an informed choice about whether to attend or not. > > I have a couple of comments on the rules. > > No alcohol. If this is a "pro forma" rule, then OK. Perhaps half the > shows I attend have such a rule posted. If they actually enforce it, then > I will not attend. I don't as a rule drink either water or soft drinks at > a show. A cold beer OTOH is a nice refreshment. Grownups need to be held > accountable for their actions. Stupidity around machinery can also happen > to a Pepsi drinker. To penelize someone for their choice of beverage is > simply stupid. I've been to a great many English engine rallys and have > enjoyed the beer tent. As with drinking at shows in the US, moderation is > the key while the engines are running. Recognizing that some folks are > still mentally in the 1920's (especially in the Bible belt) and regard all > alcohol as "The Demon Rum", I will generally be discreet and drink my > beer from a covered coffee mug. It also keeps the wasps out. 8-)) > > Display Areas. I will never attend any show that prohibits spectators > around the machinery. As Reg said, what's the point? If I choose to > allow a young engine man to start one of my engines (as I've done a number > of times with my Lorenz), that's my call. > > RPM Requirements. This is just plain stupid. > > Steam Engines. The mind boggles. I'm not into steam, but my guess is > that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler > inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban > every out of state steamer. It would make sense to require that the > steamer and operator meet the requirements of their home state. And for > sure, you better make THIS requirement known in ALL of your advertising. > Someone who had trucked a huge Case to your show only to be told, "Sorry > mate, you're not licensed in Colorado." would be SERIOUSLY pissed off. > > Dress Code. That is the most priceless bit. The mind boggles. I > sincerly would love to meet the TWIT to whom this matters!! CLEARLY, your > club needs to add one more rule specifying in DETAIL the standard of > restoration and rarity that will be permitted for exhibits at club shows. > It's obviously as important that one doesn't exhibit a tatty Maytag as > that one exhibits in natty knickers. > > BTW, DO NOT expect to find my application to join your club. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > >> The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol >> thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have >> beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. >> Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running >> engines. Once the day is done would be another story. >> >> I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the >> time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. >> Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll >> try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his >> age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the >> rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance >> company put the pressure on. >> >> The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception >> of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to >> tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I >> do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now >> I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other >> places, and with other clubs. >> >> As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: >> http://frapa.us/Ins.html >> http://frapa.us/Safety.html >> http://frapa.us/Code.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 18 15:15:38 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:15:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator -- RULES OF THUMB In-Reply-To: <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <200505182215.j4IMFeGu029914@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The rule of thumb is 2 hp per kilowatt at 3600 RPM > and 4 HP per kilowatt at 1800 rpm. Keep your fingers out of the moving machinery or you'll be all thumbs and unable to push the buttons on your calculator to figure out math problems. Rob From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 18 15:17:21 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Trivia for OZ listeners. In-Reply-To: <200505180344.j4I3itvo009621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505180344.j4I3itvo009621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <2de07488cf0a71ba3a7e98dca415567c@chartertn.net> Rob, if you study them closely, you'll find that there are readily identifiable differences. Half of them are just like Crocodile Dundee. The other half are just like Steve Irwin. ;-) John On May 17, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Hi John, > Who can tell? All those Aussies look alike! > > Rob John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed May 18 18:17:22 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050518181657.01a7c040@mail.pennswoods.net> Yes if it is not to big R Fink At 08:30 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >>I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference >>between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? >>R Fink >>PA > >It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 18 15:54:43 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:54:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: Message-ID: <000701c55bfc$98f3d510$089081cb@ogborneuah38i3> You may be correct David ,I just feel that the proposed scale of Smorgons operation may be the problem .Also the older farmers possibly have an appreciation for the heritage / value of the items but the younger ones who see $$$$ in these difficult times may want to make money to buy that new piece of machinery ....and who can blame them for that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > Hi Peter, in my opinion i dont think too many engines will end up in the > scrap heap as the two local srapies here drag any of that sort of stuff > out of the heaps.All i have been able to find out is they are going to > someone else ( wether they be dealers or collectors i dont know) Either > way they are being saved.As for the farmers around most of them go to > clearing sales so they would have seen the prices old engines bring which > is better than scrap prices. I'm not overly worried and this is my > opinion. David. > >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical >>machinerymovementinAustralia!!! >>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 >> >>And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be >>prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up >>and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking >>all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! >>All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie >>the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery >>movementinAustralia!!! >> >> >>> >>>>Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>>>machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>>>it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>>>export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>>>countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >>> >>>>Peter A Forbes >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>>The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >>>the country. >>> >>>When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >>>and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >>>the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >>>the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >>> >>>Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >>>the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >>>known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >>>Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >>>rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >>>paperwork on stating it could be exported. >>> >>>I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >>>to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >>> >>>Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >>>supplemental income as part of their job. >>> >>>George >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 18 16:34:51 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:34:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator -- RULES OF THUMB(OT) Message-ID: <1f6.a0c0ae9.2fbd2b1b@aol.com> Hi Rob, If you save the severed finger and thumb tips (don't give in to the offer to sell them to some Wendy's patron) you can use them as ear plugs, thus reducing the level of perceived noise from not only the generator, but also fellow campers who shout at you to shut the damned thing down. Just a handy tip....no need to thank me. Ron In a message dated 5/18/2005 5:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Keep your fingers out of the moving machinery or you'll be all thumbs and unable to push the buttons on your calculator to figure out math problems. Rob From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 18 17:34:53 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:34:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <428BDF2D.6020002@earthlink.net> Hi all, I didn't know if rules like this were standard or not. Seems they are not. Gave a lot of thought today, and enjoyed the many comments from all of you. There is one in the "Code of Conduct" that really hit home for me. I think it may have been meant for me. It reads: " Each member will never allow personal feelings to deter them from their responsibilities as an officer, director, or member of the club." I think the club should look into invitations to show our stuff. I think these invitations should be in the newsletter, and each individual should be allowed to make their own choice on attending or not. I don't think the bored of directors should blow them all off. Those are my personal feelings on this. Do those personal feeling deter from my responsibilities as a member? Hell I'm not even sure what my responsibilities as a member are. I would think promoting the club by way of showing at others events would be in the best interest of all. Perhaps that might even be part of my responsibility as member. Oops!! There are those pesky personal feeling again. I think I just broke article 3, section 5 of the by-laws. What the hell. If the short one and I can't both be behind the rope to show who cares if I'm kicked out or not. Ain't lost much there have I ? Wish I could make Portland. Maybe Missoula and Bird City this year. Sigh! Not a happy camper tonight. Thanks for all your comments folks, Jeff Allen P.S. I wish Arnie would start spelling his last name right. Spell checker kicks it every time, and it has to be write on this. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed May 18 17:51:35 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:51:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for thehistoricalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: <000701c55bfc$98f3d510$089081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00ba01c55c0c$e8767f10$210110ac@service> Hi guys, i have sold scrap to a big dealer in our capital city for a number of years now, they do country runs and pick up everything, i have asked if they will put any engines aside but said if your here and see something you want grab it otherwise too bad, i have seen a lot of old ploughs etc and a couple of vintage tractors get chopped up. Chester from West Aussie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for thehistoricalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > You may be correct David ,I just feel that the proposed scale of Smorgons > operation may be the problem .Also the older farmers possibly have an > appreciation for the heritage / value of the items but the younger ones who > see $$$$ in these difficult times may want to make money to buy that new > piece of machinery ....and who can blame them for that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nicolson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the > historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > > > > Hi Peter, in my opinion i dont think too many engines will end up in the > > scrap heap as the two local srapies here drag any of that sort of stuff > > out of the heaps.All i have been able to find out is they are going to > > someone else ( wether they be dealers or collectors i dont know) Either > > way they are being saved.As for the farmers around most of them go to > > clearing sales so they would have seen the prices old engines bring which > > is better than scrap prices. I'm not overly worried and this is my > > opinion. David. > > > >>From: "peter ogborne" > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical > >>machinerymovementinAustralia!!! > >>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 > >> > >>And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be > >>prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up > >>and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking > >>all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! > >>All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie > >>the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" > >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM > >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery > >>movementinAustralia!!! > >> > >> > >>> > >>>>Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' > >>>>machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly > >>>>it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an > >>>>export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only > >>>>countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. > >>> > >>>>Peter A Forbes > >>> > >>>Peter, > >>> > >>>The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of > >>>the country. > >>> > >>>When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in > >>>and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving > >>>the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving > >>>the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. > >>> > >>>Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving > >>>the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only > >>>known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. > >>>Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the > >>>rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official > >>>paperwork on stating it could be exported. > >>> > >>>I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went > >>>to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. > >>> > >>>Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making > >>>supplemental income as part of their job. > >>> > >>>George > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 18 19:41:59 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:41:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <20050518.225114.900.0.jlb94@juno.com> I'm not up on the law - but - I've got a comment on this one. As far as Pennsylvania Law goes - Any boiler with a pressure of over 15 lbs. MUST be inspected and certified in Pennsylvania or it cannot be operated in public. I've seen several people from Ohio & W.VA bring steam to a show and not be able to run it. I don't THINK there is a law requiring an operator's certification. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 18 20:29:06 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:29:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <20050518.225114.900.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050518.225114.900.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <428C0802.3010506@earthlink.net> Hells Bells Joe, I think all of the BS rules my club imposed would keep anyone from attending. Steam is way cool, and Bird City is a go to place for that. Well regualated and a great time for all. My letter to the board tonight will probably end my membership. I did talk at length with a couple steam tractor folks last year. It's getting harder for them to show those great machines. Jeff Joseph L Betz wrote: >I'm not up on the law - but - I've got a comment on this one. >As far as Pennsylvania Law goes - Any boiler with a pressure of over 15 >lbs. >MUST be inspected and certified in Pennsylvania or it cannot be operated >in public. >I've seen several people from Ohio & W.VA bring steam to a show and not >be able to run it. >I don't THINK there is a law requiring an operator's certification. > >that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler >inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively >ban >every out of state steamer. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >,-._,-. "What I can do, >\/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) >(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Wed May 18 21:20:11 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:20:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428BDF2D.6020002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Jeff, I have been following this thread with interest. I am a very low key old engine fan. I have a couple cheaper engines, but nothing really "collectible". IH As (both sizes), a Sattley solid flywheel hit n miss. Also, I have several old(er) David Bradley walk-behind garden tractors and associated implements. I say all of this to point out that I am by NO means one of the powerhouses in the old engine movement. But NOWHERE have I been able to find a more likeable group of folks, and I surely do enjoy their company and engines. My involvement with the hobby is just as (or more so) social than as a collector. I am also becoming an elder statesman (curmudgeon?), and there is NO WAY I could deal with the "PC" rules that your club has adopted. IMHO, the younger, more PC attuned folks have attained management / power of the club, and are going to take it to where THEY want to take it, not where most of the members want to take it. My solution with such truck has been simply to accept it and go my own way; I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From guitronics at comcast.net Thu May 19 02:41:51 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:41:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator In-Reply-To: <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <428C5F5F.20906@comcast.net> Check out this site: www.utterpower.com . Roger DiRuscio wrote: > You really cant change the generator RPM,s with out messing up the cps > (60cps) You can make a 10 to 15% difference with mufflers and > barriers, but thats about it. > Sell it and spent some extra money on a 4 pole 1800 RPM gen-set. or > better yet one of the Honda EU series with built in inverters. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tiefenbrunn" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator > > >> At 11:06 AM 5/17/2005 -0400, Ivan wrote: >> >>> But how to quiet it down a little more ? >>> I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can >>> lower >>> the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo >>> tone >>> mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . >> >> >> I was at an event where we had to run one of those noisy things. I >> found >> that folding table laid over on it's side made a wall between the >> genny and >> us that took a lot of the "bite" out of the noise. Higher & denser >> material (plywood / particle board) would be more effective. A heavy >> blanket or rug on the genny side would help even more. The barrier >> can be >> a couple feet away from the genny. It does have to be high enough to >> block >> the "line of site" between the genny and the ears that don't want to >> hear it. >> >> Dave >> >> >> David Tief. N1WWY >> Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief >> Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 19 04:55:59 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 07:55:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <1d7.3cd95ce4.2fbdd8cf@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/2005 11:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << Steam Engines. The mind boggles. I'm not into steam, but my guess is that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban every out of state steamer. >> Joe, I am not a steam person either, but it is my understanding that some states reciprocate the licenses/inspections, and others do not. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 19 05:10:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <428BDF2D.6020002@earthlink.net> <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <1025.165.206.180.144.1116504629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Gene - >>I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. << No offense, but Thank goodness our founding fathers didn't believe that...... We thought similar at our own club, but after about 6 years of fighting what was happening, change has finally been put into motion. The goons are out, new blood in, things getting back to good again. It got messy, tempers flared, fights broke out, there was table pounding, etc. but it worked. Bill > Jeff, > > I have been following this thread with interest. > > I am a very low key old engine fan. I have a couple cheaper engines, but > nothing really "collectible". IH As (both sizes), a Sattley solid > flywheel > hit n miss. > > Also, I have several old(er) David Bradley walk-behind garden tractors and > associated implements. > > I say all of this to point out that I am by NO means one of the > powerhouses > in the old engine movement. But NOWHERE have I been able to find a more > likeable group of folks, and I surely do enjoy their company and engines. > My involvement with the hobby is just as (or more so) social than as a > collector. > > I am also becoming an elder statesman (curmudgeon?), and there is NO WAY I > could deal with the "PC" rules that your club has adopted. > > IMHO, the younger, more PC attuned folks have attained management / power > of > the club, and are going to take it to where THEY want to take it, not > where > most of the members want to take it. > > My solution with such truck has been simply to accept it and go my own > way; > I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. > > > Gene > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 19 07:22:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, With that nonsense in Medina, OH (Boiler Explosion), the owner of the land where we had Tri-State Hist. Steam Engine Assoc. show in Finleyville, PA, said - - - "We're not having any more shows on my land." With that - Rumors started flying about insurance cost getting way too high - and - Inspections getting way too strict. Problem was they were all rumors. Tri-State started looking for a different site and the only thing that looked promising was joining with Washington County Fair. However - They wouldn't INSURE steam. Well hell - We're a STEAM club. What good is a STEAM SHOW without STEAM.? We finally decided to dissolve and die with dignity. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 19 08:07:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1886.165.206.180.144.1116515259.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Allied Insurance of Des Moines recently put an airplane in the air, photographing properties through Iowa with trampolines. They took those photos, figured out which properties with trampolines in the yard were owned by their policy holders, and promptly sent letters stating their homeowners insurance was going up by $300/year. It's a fact - was on the news and my wife's cousin showed us the letter last weekend. Bill > Hi Jeff, > > With that nonsense in Medina, OH (Boiler Explosion), the owner of the > land > where we had Tri-State Hist. Steam Engine Assoc. show in Finleyville, PA, > said - - - > "We're not having any more shows on my land." > > With that - Rumors started flying about insurance cost getting way too > high - > and - Inspections getting way too strict. > > Problem was they were all rumors. > > Tri-State started looking for a different site and the only thing that > looked promising was joining with Washington County Fair. > However - They wouldn't INSURE steam. > > Well hell - We're a STEAM club. What good is a STEAM SHOW without > STEAM.? > > We finally decided to dissolve and die with dignity. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 19 12:51:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:51:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally Message-ID: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with pleasure for you to see. We had a very good International show with participators from Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the real engine men doesn't care :o)) Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought a few engine there. The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 19 13:09:47 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, WOW, amazing show! Is it always in May? I'll be in Amsterdam at a conference in May 2008. It would be fantastic to add a major engine show to the trip!! BTW, did you get the S/N and particulars for that awesome Lorenz? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005file/Lorenz.jpg Also this one... http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005file/lorenz3-4hp.jpg I'm looking forward to looking at those engines much more slowly. The vast majority of them I've never heard of. Thanks for taking the time to share this show with us. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 19 May 2005, John Hammink wrote: > The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu May 19 13:26:39 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:26:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tapered Gib Key Message-ID: A few weeks ago you folks gave me a couple of sources to get a new gib key from. I lost the messages with that info so I need help again. The key I'm looking for is a little bigger than what fits your 1.5 hp Hercules. The keyway is 5/8" wide and the total length of the original key was about 11". The key engaged the hub for about 7". Where can I find a key long enough to secure my flywheel? From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 19 13:30:13 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:30:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> G'Day Jeff Just one stupid question by me, are you sure it is not all a joke as the Rule as posted seemed to me of poor quality and without a letter head for an official Club document. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 19 13:58:27 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:58:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000f01c55cb5$8499b8f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Arnie the 2008 show will be in the May 11-12 long weekend, it always is at Whitsun. You already have the S/N of that big one, the other is coming. John H. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 19 14:13:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:13:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tapered Gib Key Message-ID: <1e8.3b8f279b.2fbe5b85@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/2005 4:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andyglines at hotmail.com writes: << The keyway is 5/8" wide and the total length of the original key was about 11". >> That must be some special gibb key as the longest McMaster Carr lists is 6 inches long for a 5/8 tapered Gibb key. Are you sure you are not talking about a 5/8 square key? If the Hercules engine has split flywheel then it uses a square key rather than a Gibb key. If you need 5/8 square key then lots of hardware places sell key stock in long pieces. If you need a tapered 11 inches then I believe you will have to have one specially machined. Machining dimensions for the tapered key are 1/8 inch per foot of key, or .0104 thousands per inch. Any good machine shop can make you one. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 19 15:54:01 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:54:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <018f01c55cc5$ac1076c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well our lot is a joke so.................................... Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules > G'Day Jeff > > Just one stupid question by me, are you sure it is not all a joke as the > Rule as posted seemed to me of poor quality and without a letter head for > an official Club document. > > Kerry From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 16:03:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:03:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <428D1B54.4030108@earthlink.net> Hi Kerry, It is not a joke. The poor quality is because I reduced the scans for quicker download. Jeff Kerry wrote: > G'Day Jeff > > Just one stupid question by me, are you sure it is not all a joke as > the Rule as posted seemed to me of poor quality and without a letter > head for an official Club document. > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 19 16:06:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:06:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by the NHMA Message-ID: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National Historical Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are we ? I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out who the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of the policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other insurance policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the policy. I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy , not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 16:51:03 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:51:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules/ and now the BS In-Reply-To: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <428D2667.5030307@earthlink.net> Hi Gene and list, It is sad but true that the folks in power are not PC younger folks. They have all been members for some time, and they don't like any new or fresh ideas. Same old same old. Why change, or even attempt to change for the better. A good example is the show I tried to put together for July. I can do it with their blessing, but it won't be sanctioned by the club, and they won't run it in the newsletter. As a new member I haven't made enough contacts to put a show together. I need the newsletter to reach members interested in a show. I received a response from the VP today. I didn't get kicked out, probably because I own the clubs domain. Not real bright on their part. I did get a line of BS though, or I'm a complete idiot and have no idea what I read. > "Insurance: using your example, Jeff, if you want your grand-son > behind the ropes at Cider Days feel free to do so. I don't think it is > a good idea but you know him better than I. You can have him sit on > your running engine if you want. If he is with you he is NOT insured > by our insurance anyway. The short one (age 7) can't be insured by the club. He is too young as I read the minimum age is 14. Since he is not a member or insured wouldn't he be considered a spectator? Aren't spectators supposed to be covered by the insurance? Oh, and the part about "spectators are strictly forbidden in any running display area" doesn't apply to him because...? I'm sorry but I don't understand. Guess I are a idiot. Time for a break. Jeff PS, Define "collectable" Gene. I have enjoyed watching engines like yours run several times. That's what counts. Gene Waugh wrote: >Jeff, > >I have been following this thread with interest. > >I am a very low key old engine fan. I have a couple cheaper engines, but >nothing really "collectible". IH As (both sizes), a Sattley solid flywheel >hit n miss. > >Also, I have several old(er) David Bradley walk-behind garden tractors and >associated implements. > >I say all of this to point out that I am by NO means one of the powerhouses >in the old engine movement. But NOWHERE have I been able to find a more >likeable group of folks, and I surely do enjoy their company and engines. >My involvement with the hobby is just as (or more so) social than as a >collector. > >I am also becoming an elder statesman (curmudgeon?), and there is NO WAY I >could deal with the "PC" rules that your club has adopted. > >IMHO, the younger, more PC attuned folks have attained management / power of >the club, and are going to take it to where THEY want to take it, not where >most of the members want to take it. > >My solution with such truck has been simply to accept it and go my own way; >I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. > > >Gene >Gene Waugh >Elgin, Illinois USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 17:16:59 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:16:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by the NHMA In-Reply-To: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <428D2C7B.3090002@earthlink.net> Hi Peter, I agree that all members should have a copy of the insurance policy that covers them. I don't think it is common though, and would you be able to understand it if you had a copy? Most are not written to be understood. IMHO the Edge and TA offered in this country is probably one of the best. You can go online and get a lot of information. My club had a falling out many years ago and I won't mention them again. Jeff peter ogborne wrote: > We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National > Historical > Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of > insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we > have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but > are we ? > I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found > out who > the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy > of the > policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other > insurance > policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the > policy. > I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this > policy , > not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . > Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 17:21:09 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:21:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The chalange Message-ID: <428D2D75.1030607@earthlink.net> Hi all, Here is a snip if you care to respond do so to me and I will forward it. > If our rules are so draconian and nobody in there right mind would > want to be a member of our club, I am very interested in seeing a copy > of their safety rules..just to compare...maybe the safety committee is > way off base ...let me know. Jeff From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu May 19 17:17:17 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:17:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by theNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Peter All club Secretaries should be sent a copy of the new policy. This does not mean they will get a copy each year - only a copy of the renewal notice if the policy has not changed. If your club Secretary has not got a copy then they should request a copy from the NHMA Secretary. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by theNHMA > We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National Historical > Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of > insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we > have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are we ? > I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out who > the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of the > policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other insurance > policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the policy. > I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy , > not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . > Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 19 18:47:23 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:47:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The chalange Message-ID: <20050519.220329.284.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, I would have to say - In all the years I was on the board of Tri-State Steam, I've never seen a set of rules. I suppose they MIGHT be in the "By-Laws". A book that I've never read. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:21:09 -0600 Jeff Allen writes: > Hi all, > > Here is a snip if you care to respond do so to me and I will forward > it. > > > > > If our rules are so draconian and nobody in there right mind would > > > want to be a member of our club, I am very interested in seeing a > copy > > of their safety rules..just to compare...maybe the safety > committee is > > way off base ...let me know. > > > Jeff > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Thu May 19 19:42:00 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:42:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator Message-ID: <92.273b5713.2fbea878@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/2005 10:32:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, solarrog at pacbell.net writes: But how to quiet it down a little more ? There is a collector that shows around New England that has a Kohler with the exhaust running into a "muffler" submerged in a five gallon bucket of water. The only thing you can hear when running is the tappets. Mike Semanoff From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 19 19:39:57 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:39:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA > Peter > > All club Secretaries should be sent a copy of the new policy. This does > not > mean they will get a copy each year - only a copy of the renewal notice if > the policy has not changed. If your club Secretary has not got a copy > then > they should request a copy from the NHMA Secretary. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by > theNHMA > > >> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National > Historical >> Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of >> insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we >> have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are >> we > ? >> I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out > who >> the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of > the >> policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other > insurance >> policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the > policy. >> I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy > , >> not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . >> Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 19 20:19:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:19:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002301c55cea$d43d3190$d79e81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Ron ...I shall ask but i doubt if it will be forthcoming. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA > Peter > > All club Secretaries should be sent a copy of the new policy. This does > not > mean they will get a copy each year - only a copy of the renewal notice if > the policy has not changed. If your club Secretary has not got a copy > then > they should request a copy from the NHMA Secretary. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by > theNHMA > > >> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National > Historical >> Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of >> insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we >> have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are >> we > ? >> I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out > who >> the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of > the >> policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other > insurance >> policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the > policy. >> I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy > , >> not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . >> Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 19 23:15:31 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:15:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3><000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> Reg that is why I put up the post about Paul and TOMM, if you want to find anything out about YOUR insurance policy ONLY talk to your club, they ONLY talk to the National Body . so do as we say will remain Kerry > And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 19/05/2005 From alanwh at iinet.net.au Fri May 20 01:02:24 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:02:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor In-Reply-To: <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <200505200802.j4K82RO4081683@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi folks We have a generator in our engine shed about 10kva with a Volkswagen industrial engine we are looking for info on how to set the governor speed, the governor is a Fritz Heinzmann Can anyone point me to the right info please Alan For the Wagga Historic Engine Club A picture of the generator is here http://www.oldengine.org/members/wagga/governor.htm From evand at melbpc.org.au Fri May 20 01:40:00 2005 From: evand at melbpc.org.au (Evan Doherty) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:40:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor References: <200505200802.j4K82RO4081683@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003201c55d17$837d8700$6b9c0ccb@x> Hi Alan Is the engine a type 122 or126a ? The VW instruction manual seems to show 2 types of governor, one with an eccentric and spiral spring on the side of the gov opposite the vertical long lever that goes to the carb, and a gov that has that side blanked off. Maybe the gov has been preset for generator use and looking at your photo, it looks like the linkage to the carb is brazed to the vertical rod ???, there should be a ball joint there. Regards Evan From alanwh at iinet.net.au Fri May 20 02:49:29 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:49:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor In-Reply-To: <003201c55d17$837d8700$6b9c0ccb@x> Message-ID: <200505200949.j4K9nVps009394@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Evan Thanks for info The engine is a 126 I don't see an "a" after that The linkage was spot welded, and brazed after it came adrift It has a linkage on the carby that take it to idle when you push on the bottom button and to run on the top button Alan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Evan Doherty Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:40 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] governor Hi Alan Is the engine a type 122 or126a ? The VW instruction manual seems to show 2 types of governor, one with an eccentric and spiral spring on the side of the gov opposite the vertical long lever that goes to the carb, and a gov that has that side blanked off. Maybe the gov has been preset for generator use and looking at your photo, it looks like the linkage to the carb is brazed to the vertical rod ???, there should be a ball joint there. Regards Evan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From evand at melbpc.org.au Fri May 20 03:26:18 2005 From: evand at melbpc.org.au (Evan Doherty) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:26:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor References: <200505200802.j4K82RO4081683@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000401c55d26$f0092a00$8e9c0ccb@x> Hi Alan, Had another look at the VW manual, your governor is the non adjustable type, the set speed and the speed variation should be on the ID plate ( on the fan shroud behind the air cleaner ). The carb to gov linkage is definitely non-standard !! Evan Doherty Beveridge, Victoria Australia From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 20 03:33:40 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:33:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bythe NHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <428D2C7B.3090002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003101c55d27$6838d570$729181cb@ogborneuah38i3> Jeff ...my insurance ,for cars ,caravan ,house and contents ,boat etc and the policy that i have is pretty straight forward and quite easy to understand the claims that can be made . I think it is a disgrace that you have dirty, overall clad , unclean and reeking of BO people in your club.----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bythe NHMA > Hi Peter, > > I agree that all members should have a copy of the insurance policy that > covers them. I don't think it is common though, and would you be able to > understand it if you had a copy? Most are not written to be understood. > IMHO the Edge and TA offered in this country is probably one of the best. > You can go online and get a lot of information. My club had a falling out > many years ago and I won't mention them again. > > Jeff > > > peter ogborne wrote: > >> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National >> Historical >> Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of >> insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we >> have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are >> we ? >> I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out >> who >> the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of >> the >> policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other >> insurance >> policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the >> policy. >> I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy >> , >> not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . >> Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 20 03:22:50 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:22:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3><000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <006e01c55d27$96089620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Kerry mate, I am that fed up with the narrow, tunnel vision of the masses in the hobby that I am really past giving a shit about any of it. Every time I tried to make any point, it was twisted against me to the extent that I wonder why I ever bothered. I am now an old cynic who just looks and shakes his head. I go to an occasional show ,but the urge is not very strong any more. So, let them put up their atom proof fences, etc. Keep out all the folk who might show any interest. Dont let any kids get near enough to be interested. So be it! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA > Reg that is why I put up the post about Paul and TOMM, if you want to find > anything out about YOUR insurance policy ONLY talk to your club, they > ONLY talk to the National Body . > so do as we say will remain > > Kerry > > >> And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 19/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 20 07:20:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:20:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster Message-ID: Howdy all; Trying to locate the numbers for a Webster mount and igniter for the 4hp horizontal Famous. My Webster data in Doc Schusters book on page 80 is unreadable...possibly a A303K40-B or K46-B. Could someone please look in their book and see if they can make it out..or maybe someone has a Famous..Webster fired. TIA..Life is good in "The Big Sky" RickinMt. From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri May 20 07:57:56 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster Message-ID: <24.71619f7e.2fbf54f4@aol.com> Hi Rick, The bracket # is A303K46B for the 4hp IHC Famous. Take care, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 19 22:04:38 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:04:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA In-Reply-To: <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160505192204658f2c1d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/20/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. My Beds & Bucks Club membership renewal card has the insurer's name and the policy number on the back of the card every year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 20 13:50:24 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 04:50:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Simplicity Engine Message-ID: <001901c55d7d$8ff88050$709581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Someone arrived at my house yesterday to show me a Simplicity engine that they had just picked up . It is Compleat with LT magneto and ignitor....looks to be maybe about 4 HP. I don't know much about these engines ,unfortunately the badge was gone . He doesn't,to know what to do with it ......................maybe ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From b2 at chooka.net Fri May 20 20:05:42 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:05:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allen condensor and coil tester Message-ID: <002901c55db1$fa17b760$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> I picked up what may be a working Allen coil and condensor tester, model E1403. The light comes on, the meter deflects, but there are settings that must come from some documentation that came with the unit. Anybody have a manual for this unit that I could copy, or know of a source for such? B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Sat May 21 04:54:11 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:54:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed invasions Message-ID: <000801c55dfb$ce725120$3dc61fd3@professi0cqjbx> What hope do we have of protecting our sheds when this happens. The West Australian Newspaper Saturday 21st. Residents of Ayer Road in Queens Park told the West Australian they thought it was wrong a resident was charged by police with being armed in a way to cause fear and discharging a firearm to cause fear. The man was charged after he allegedly fired two shots over the heads of a group of people outside his home last Saturday. He told police the people were trying to break into his home by kicking down his front door. Unreal, this is exactly what I thought he was trying to do. (I will not quote the colour). This is the same charge a mate of mine copped when he did the same thing to a mob of locals breaking in to his shed a few years back. Cost him a Thousand bucks. Ron Glassby Western Australia From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 21 05:41:00 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 05:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. Thanks Ron Richard Strobel wrote: G'day all; I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but other show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted one. later, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 21 06:19:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:19:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA In-Reply-To: <006e01c55d27$96089620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3><000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> <006e01c55d27$96089620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1116681592.428f3578cb549@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Reg, Quoting R & M Ingold : > I am now an old cynic who just looks and shakes his head. Yeah but we still loves ya mate!! > I go to an occasional show ,but the urge is not very strong > any more. Bambi & Nitro say not to worry. They'll have a supply of the little blue devils ready and waiting for your next visit to Portland. 8->> > Keep out all the folk who might show any interest. > Dont let any kids get near enough to be interested. > So be it! Illigetimi Non Carborundum!! See ya, Arnie From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 21 07:56:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:56:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron..click on the vBChat and I'll try to get his email address: Please remind me http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5 Good Luck Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Field engines > Rick, > How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. > Thanks > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract > to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but > other > show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the > scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. > The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. > > Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes > by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. > > > I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted > one. > > > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 21 07:57:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:57:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster References: <24.71619f7e.2fbf54f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks much guys! Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 21 08:12:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:12:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, here's his website and I believe he said he was going to Portland http://www.geocities.com/oilfield62/dogrunreids.html Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Field engines > Rick, > How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. > Thanks > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract > to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but > other > show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the > scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. > The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. > > Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes > by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. > > > I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted > one. > > > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 20 14:35:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:35:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bit of News on the Maytag Corporation Message-ID: <6f60251605052014351d9c1e4c@mail.gmail.com> Saw this on the BBC News website tonight: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4567059.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sat May 21 15:44:45 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:44:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks John for a fantastic lot of pics. Sure are some great looking engines over in your part of the world. Your M type looks terrific. Just as a matter of interest, what HP is the Stover?. Regards Lyndsay >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stat.eng.org" , "SEL" > >Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally >Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:51:30 +0200 > >Hi All, > >Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures >wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with >pleasure for you to see. >We had a very good International show with participators from >Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia >and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the >real engine men doesn't care :o)) >Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, >it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought >a few engine there. >The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm > >Enjoy it, > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sat May 21 17:07:15 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:07:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [Small_Engine_Secrets] Maytag Washing Machine Engine Message-ID: <001501c55e62$392d4040$731117d1@net.telenet.net> from another list. Anyone want to help? Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "torsion34" To: Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [Small_Engine_Secrets] Maytag Washing Machine Engine > I have an old Maytag WME. Where can I get information about this engine? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Small_Engine_Secrets/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Small_Engine_Secrets-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun May 22 01:10:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:10:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally References: Message-ID: <000501c55ea5$c8bc0ff0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Lyndsay, that Pilter-Stover is 6 hp and I thought the little red one with the seperator 2 hp. Glad you appreciated the pics. Regards, John H. > Thanks John for a fantastic lot of pics. Sure are some great looking engines > over in your part of the world. Your M type looks terrific. > Just as a matter of interest, what HP is the Stover?. > > > Regards > Lyndsay From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 22 01:25:50 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:25:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050522082549.RWZH27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi John, You certainly get an interesting variety of engines at Nuenen. There are some very unusual engines to be seen. Thanks for the pics. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with pleasure for you to see. We had a very good International show with participators from Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the real engine men doesn't care :o)) Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought a few engine there. The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink From oldengin at udata.com Sun May 22 06:47:50 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:47:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? In-Reply-To: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Gday Where would I find info on getting a journeyman's card? I did a google and this led to many dead end streets, thanks for any and all help. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From don.h at wcoil.com Sun May 22 09:11:36 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:11:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> Heck Le roy you can get all kinds of cards at American Greetings store or Hall mark Ha ha You dont no of a lonly 16 hp hor shaft Kohler engine laying around??? I just redid the whole front end ( gear bosxes,blades ect ) on the front of my lawn rig ( Parker ) to ther toon of 500 bucks worth only to have the engine eat a rod today... I still have that old engine to trade for ?????? Gus in Ottawa From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 22 13:41:55 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:41:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Up and running Message-ID: <4290EE93.2000400@earthlink.net> Hi all, Took a handful of stoopid pills this morning and did some more work here. Actually I took some Advil cause I overdid it with the yard work yesterday. Sitting at the puter is about all I can handle today. OUch! I have the photo index site up and running. I like the look and layout so far and all comments are welcome. Now is the time. Reg sent me to Patrick Livingstone's site and I spend a few hours looking it over. Well worth the visit. He has generously allowed me to raid his site, and that is where I started. Much more to do there by the way. The format is pretty simple now. I prefer to put pictures up that are on others sites, so I can link to their sites for more information. Remember this is a photo database. I do have a copy of all photos here, and I will crop and modify if I feel the need. I give credit to the photographer. I will only list the name and location of the engine owner with their permission. You have to opt in for me to publish personal information. I will not for any reason put any e-mail address of owners or photographers on this site. Right now I don't even have one there for me. Haven't decided what mailbox to use yet. I am thinking I will move the most common engines to sub directories, and keep the rare ones on the index page. All thoughts are welcome. I am in no rush, and this will go on for years if I decide to keep at it. Feedback and participation are the keys to that. So far both have been great. I have the domain for at least one year, so I'll see how things go. Here it is: http://oldirongallery.com/ Jeff Allen From mtucker at uky.edu Sun May 22 17:49:56 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 20:49:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the difference in piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the blowby? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From plb at iinet.net.au Sun May 22 19:01:17 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:01:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <002601c55f3b$4eadcf50$0501010a@Portable> Mike , looks like you have a worn piston but I'm not sure if it would make all that much difference to the blowby. Lots of people here would know more about that than me but I would think if the rings are OK and a good fit in the ring grooves it should seal up with some oil around there. Your smallest bore measurement and largest piston measurement would be close to unworn sizes so it was originally around 8 thou clearance. Modern engines would be tighter but in that I would think 6 to 8 thou would be OK Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. > It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC > Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through > compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston > at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I > took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in > great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the > cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is > 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is > 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper > and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. > I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston > is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up by > the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second ring > the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So at > the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the diameter > of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal difference > of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the difference in > piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be > in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the > blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun May 22 19:13:53 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:13:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <009901c55f3d$126acc80$d7496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Mike, How about measuring the gap between the side of the ring and the groove. This ought to be pretty tight, .001 or maybe a tad more. Rings that are loose in the groove will not hold compression at all well. A good fit here is lot more important than the out of round that you have. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. > It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC > Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through > compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston > at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I > took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in > great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the > cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is > 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is > 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper > and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. > I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston > is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up by > the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second ring > the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So at > the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the diameter > of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal difference > of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the difference in > piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be > in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the > blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 22 19:59:08 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:59:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Michael, My "rule" that I use for my old iron is if the difference between the bore and piston is in the 1 to 1.5 thousandths per inch of bore range, its a great piston/bore fit for the old iron. I agree with a prior comment that the ring gap and fit is more critical than the fact that you may have an undersize in the piston between the grooves. If you want a more perfect fit on the piston, have it flame sprayed and turned down to 5 to 6 thousandths less than your bore. Do this and put in new rings and your hunk of iron should need a compression release to turn it over. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy > today. It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, > hit-n-miss IHC Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when > pulling it through compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of > compression past the piston at top dead center. So, with the help of > my machinist neighbors tools I took some measurements of the piston > and cylinder. The cylinder is in great condition with no hint of a > ring ridge. Up at the head end of the cylinder the horizontal > diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is 4.8060". At the > flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8010" and > the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper and the > cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. I > think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston > is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round > up by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and > second ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's > 4.794". So at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical > difference in the diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 > thousandths and a horizontal difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a > perfect world, what should the difference in piston diameter and > cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be in pretty good > shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 22 21:11:50 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:11:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <002601c55f3b$4eadcf50$0501010a@Portable> Message-ID: <001f01c55f4d$903dfff0$fd9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Mike ...I have been making some piston rings . What i have found that although the ring gap was acceptable the ring clearance in the piston groove was far excessive ,hence my blow by. New rings with minimum groove clearance plus a de glaze with a hone, result perfect compression. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Mike , looks like you have a worn piston but I'm not sure if it would make > all that much difference to the blowby. Lots of people here would know > more about that than me but I would think if the rings are OK and a good > fit in the ring grooves it should seal up with some oil around there. Your > smallest bore measurement and largest piston measurement would be close to > unworn sizes so it was originally around 8 thou clearance. Modern engines > would be tighter but in that I would think 6 to 8 thou would be OK > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Tucker" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > > >> Howdy all, >> >> I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. >> It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC >> Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through >> compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston >> at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I >> took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in >> great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the >> cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is >> 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is >> 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper >> and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. >> I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston >> is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up >> by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second >> ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So >> at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the >> diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal >> difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the >> difference in piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the >> rings look to be in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be >> the reason for the blowby? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> Mike >> -- >> ____________________ >> Michael Tucker >> Midway, Kentucky, USA >> mtucker at uky.edu >> ____________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From driggars at earthlink.net Sun May 22 22:11:42 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:11:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine Message-ID: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it would be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? Clint From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 23 02:26:47 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 05:26:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> Message-ID: <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the manufacturer. Most built their own engines. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it > would > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > Clint > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 23 04:55:53 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:55:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> Message-ID: <024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were off railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder 2 stroke and would run either direction. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it > would > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > Clint > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 23 05:33:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:33:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the Fairmont also. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were off > railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder 2 > stroke and would run either direction. > > B? > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if > > it > > would > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > Clint > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed May 18 16:53:44 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:53:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001e01c55c04$d5c63b10$7a86a5d8@mycomputer> My Gosh ! For crying out loud ! Next thing they will want you to remove all your fingers so you can't cut them off and put then in the soup , Does anyone know how many clubs or Insurance companys have had claims against them before all these rules were put in place ? I know there will be some but enough to make the hobby that dangrous ?or does all the rules come from some pencil happy lawers or club officals looking to feel Important ? Hobbies are supposed fun and relaxing , and keep the old iron alive too many rules will ruin it as it Just my thoughts right or wrong Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules > Hi all, > > Just got these from my club, and had to post them. Since I have to test > drive the links, I figured I would share. They are scans and a little > large if you care to look at them. > > The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol > thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. ___________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 23 06:34:12 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:34:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <001c01c55f9c$1b532d60$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Yeah, I guess hand cars would be the previous generation of locomotion, LOL. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the > Fairmont also. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were >> off >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder >> 2 >> stroke and would run either direction. >> >> B? >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if >> > it >> > would >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> > >> > Clint >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon May 23 06:38:02 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <000b01c55f9c$a4a6f830$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> The narrow guage railroad that operated between Farmington ,Kingfield and Rangely, Maine in the early 1900's had two type busses/trolley cars that they operated just for passengers (just guessing 25 to 35 passenger) They were locally manufactured and had automotive gasoline engines. They were scrapped out in the late 30's. Joe Kelley's son Joey has more information on these. One of the early type railroad work cars had a a model "T" engine which one of the ILL-MO club members had (now deceased). Charlie Bryant (from rainy,cold,wet,muddy Maine) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the > Fairmont also. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were >> off >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder >> 2 >> stroke and would run either direction. >> >> B? >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if >> > it >> > would >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> > >> > Clint >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 07:14:30 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:14:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Rick well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I could find a name for manufacturer this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks or possibly small repairs, not very big The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is 300 miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he sent I cannot tell a thing about it Clint > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it > > would > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > Clint > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 07:16:22 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:16:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> <000b01c55f9c$a4a6f830$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <00ae01c55fa1$ffb5b900$bb408304@clinton> Charley I mis-spoke, it is not a trolly for carrying passengers, it is a small car kind of like the hand cars Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > The narrow guage railroad that operated between Farmington ,Kingfield > and Rangely, Maine in the early 1900's had two type busses/trolley cars that > they operated just for passengers (just guessing 25 to 35 passenger) They > were locally manufactured and had automotive gasoline engines. They were > scrapped > out in the late 30's. Joe Kelley's son Joey has more information on these. > One of the early type railroad work cars had a a model "T" engine which > one of the ILL-MO club members had (now deceased). > > Charlie Bryant > (from rainy,cold,wet,muddy Maine) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the > > Fairmont also. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Brueck" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were > >> off > >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder > >> 2 > >> stroke and would run either direction. > >> > >> B? > >> Bill Brueck (brick) > >> Chatfield, MN, USA > >> > >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Clint D" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > >> > >> > >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > >> > > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > >> > > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if > >> > it > >> > would > >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > >> > > >> > Clint > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 23 07:38:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <4070.165.206.180.144.1116859082.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I've heard of similar literally called rail inspection cars! At least living near the Milwaukee lines in Perry and visiting the old roundhouse when it was operational, that's what I heard them called. Bill > Rick > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > could find > a name for manufacturer > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > or > possibly small repairs, not very big > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > 300 > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > sent I > cannot tell a thing about it > > Clint > > > >> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >> engines. >> >> Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the >> manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >> >> Rick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering >> if it >> > would >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> > >> > Clint >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon May 23 07:40:36 2005 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:40:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed References: <20050518003035.48808.qmail@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have a phone # for Rick, Or a current email address??? Tks for any help Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rick Monk auction > Yup Arnie, > > They moved to Fairview, Michigan. > That is just about two hours east of me here on Michigan's M-72. > > Where I work we supply such things as Anderson Windows and Formica brand laminate and many more > items all over most of Michigan. Every time I ship a piece of Formica to Fairview Lumber I start > thinking about when I can find a day to head over there. I need to look up their phone number. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > > > When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved (furthur > > north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he > > doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that > > aren't listed. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in > > > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > > > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 > > > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer > > > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including > > > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > > > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Mon May 23 03:45:13 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:45:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, >I agree with a prior comment that the ring gap and fit is more >critical than the fact that you may have an undersize in the piston >between the grooves. The rings fit very nicely in the ring groove and although I haven't measured it, the gap looks pretty good as well, especially since the rings have overlapping ends. I'm sure that new rings and oil will help but the thing that bothers me about the compression loss is that it's not a constant loss as the piston comes up on TDC. Instead, is looses some compression as it approaches TDC but just as it goes over TDC and the rod goes from pushing to pulling, what compression there is lost all at one time in sort of a loud pop. This makes me think that the piston is moving around a little too much. In fact with the head off, you could see the piston wiggle a little bit as it rolled over TDC. That's what worried me that the cylinder was out of round. Although it is out of round just a bit, from the measurements I think that most of the wiggle is due to the piston wear and not the cylinder. >If you want a more perfect fit on the piston, have it flame sprayed >and turned down to 5 to 6 thousandths less than your bore. Do this >and put in new rings and your hunk of iron should need a >compression release to turn it over. From y'alls comments on how much clearance there should be, flame spraying is where I think I'm heading with this critter. Since I intend to work this engine on a buzz saw rig rather that just running it, I think that I need better compression than it has with its built in compression release at TDC!. I'll definitely hone the cylinder as well as replace the rings and like you say, it should have compression to spare! Tommy, do you know of any places here in the Bluegrass that do flame spraying? What type of metal compound should be applied for ability to machine and good wearing properties? Thanks for the help folks, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 23 07:57:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:57:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: Does it resemble this: http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Rick > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > could find > a name for manufacturer > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > or > possibly small repairs, not very big > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > 300 > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > sent I > cannot tell a thing about it > > Clint > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clint D" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > if it > > > would > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 23 08:07:32 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:07:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California gold Message-ID: <20050523.080733.181.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. This past weekend an engine gathering was held in Vista California for California built engines. We had 27 different names represented with 40 engines on the grounds. Pictures may be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31766981&f= Captions to be added later. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon May 23 08:13:38 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local><000b01c55f9c$a4a6f830$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00ae01c55fa1$ffb5b900$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <001901c55fa9$ff14c470$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Clint, The Canadians built an engine similiar to the Fairmont called a Sylvestor. I would not doubt but someone could of put a hit and miss engine in one. I think its worth pursuing. Charley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Charley > > I mis-spoke, it is not a trolly for carrying passengers, it is a small car > kind of > like the hand cars > > Clint > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Bryant" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> The narrow guage railroad that operated between Farmington ,Kingfield >> and Rangely, Maine in the early 1900's had two type busses/trolley cars >> that >> they operated just for passengers (just guessing 25 to 35 passenger) They >> were locally manufactured and had automotive gasoline engines. They were >> scrapped >> out in the late 30's. Joe Kelley's son Joey has more information on >> these. >> One of the early type railroad work cars had a a model "T" engine which >> one of the ILL-MO club members had (now deceased). >> >> Charlie Bryant >> (from rainy,cold,wet,muddy Maine) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had >> > the >> > Fairmont also. >> > >> > RickinMt. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bill Brueck" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> > >> > >> >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were >> >> off >> >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single >> >> cylinder >> >> 2 >> >> stroke and would run either direction. >> >> >> >> B? >> >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Clint D" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM >> >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> >> > >> >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> >> > >> >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering >> >> > if >> >> > it >> >> > would >> >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> >> > >> >> > Clint >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 23 08:20:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:20:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: This might help to see the fairmont engine: http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Rick > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > could find > a name for manufacturer > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > or > possibly small repairs, not very big > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > 300 > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > sent I > cannot tell a thing about it > > Clint > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clint D" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > if it > > > would > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 23 08:33:49 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:33:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <4070.165.206.180.144.1116859082.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> <4070.165.206.180.144.1116859082.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <35871.199.62.0.252.1116862429.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> for railroad Maintainance Of Way (MOW) vehicles, there's a discussion forum/list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RailroadMotorcarMaintenence/ marv in minn > I've heard of similar literally called rail inspection cars! > At least living near the Milwaukee lines in Perry and visiting the old > roundhouse when it was operational, that's what I heard them called. > > Bill > >> Rick >> >> well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I >> could find >> a name for manufacturer >> this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 08:37:50 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <004a01c55fad$61770c60$9b438304@clinton> Rick well ity would be about that size or smaller but open, no cab Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Does it resemble this: > > http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html > > Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > Rick > > > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > > could find > > a name for manufacturer > > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > > or > > possibly small repairs, not very big > > > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > > 300 > > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > > sent I > > cannot tell a thing about it > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > > engines. > > > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Clint D" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > > if it > > > > would > > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 23 08:46:19 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:46:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <30763.199.62.0.252.1116863179.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> that one is twin Onan powered but mine is Fairmont H&M powered. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31767592&f= marv > Does it resemble this: > > http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html > > Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. > > Rick > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 23 08:47:29 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:47:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed In-Reply-To: <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: In GEM it says in the ad to contact Rick Monk at (989)619-0824. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Alec Stevens" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:40:36 -0400 > >Does anyone have a phone # for Rick, Or a current email address??? >Tks for any help >Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Bowen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Rick Monk auction > > > > Yup Arnie, > > > > They moved to Fairview, Michigan. > > That is just about two hours east of me here on Michigan's M-72. > > > > Where I work we supply such things as Anderson Windows and Formica brand >laminate and many more > > items all over most of Michigan. Every time I ship a piece of Formica >to >Fairview Lumber I start > > thinking about when I can find a day to head over there. I need to look >up their phone number. > > > > Alan Bowen > > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved >(furthur > > > north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he > > > doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that > > > aren't listed. > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad >in > > > > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > > > > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # >4444 > > > > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement >mixer > > > > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is >including > > > > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > > > > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe > > From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 08:47:28 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:47:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <007e01c55fae$ba334e80$9b438304@clinton> Rick I guess that I need to make a run out and get me a visual, the pix I have are totally useless. when I do, I will take better pix and show it. Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > This might help to see the fairmont engine: > > http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > Rick > > > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > > could find > > a name for manufacturer > > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > > or > > possibly small repairs, not very big > > > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > > 300 > > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > > sent I > > cannot tell a thing about it > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > > engines. > > > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Clint D" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > > if it > > > > would > > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 23 08:53:48 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:53:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: I have a picture of one here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that runs these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run down the rails on one of these. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "Clint D" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:14:30 -0500 > >Rick > >well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I >could find >a name for manufacturer >this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks or >possibly small repairs, not very big > >The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is >300 >miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he >sent I >cannot tell a thing about it > >Clint > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clint D" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering >if it > > > would > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon May 23 08:54:26 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions Message-ID: <1f1.3c31a795.2fc356b2@aol.com> Hi Mike, My buddy Leo often finds engines that have very little compression. Most of the time he doesn't even pull the piston out of the cylinder. He will oil the cylinder up really good, then belt the new toy up to his tractor. He runs the engine for a couple of hours, just making sure to keep plenty of oil on the cylinder & piston. After the belted up engine has been run this way for a while, it has tons of compression. As far as I know, he has never had a piston built up, or a cylinder bored. It might be worth a try for you to try this method, it's much cheaper than the other option :-) Good luck, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 23 11:12:06 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:12:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42921CF6.30507@imc-group.com> John, Did you happen to take any other pictures of the tin covered Lorenz (first image on page 2)? That's a pretty neat engine with the belt driven draft blower and water pump (guess). Would enjoy seeing a few pictures from other angles. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >Hi All, > >Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures >wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with >pleasure for you to see. >We had a very good International show with participators from >Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia >and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the >real engine men doesn't care :o)) >Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, >it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought >a few engine there. >The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm > >Enjoy it, > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 23 11:13:01 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:13:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> Message-ID: <000601c55fc3$0f960ac0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:11 AM Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it would > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > Clint All this talk of Rail Trucks takes me back 30+ years when my hobby was the restoration of old steam railways. We joined a railway in the early days of restoration when the main job was excavating the track through a jungle of vegetation. We had a hand pushed rail trolley but eventually we got the remains of an old motorcycle & bolted the frame to the trolley. We put a cog on the rear axle & drove the cart with the Villers engine on the bike. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/351634582AQuVqy This shows the societies committee being given an inspection tour around 1965. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Mon May 23 12:10:28 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:10:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] California gold In-Reply-To: <20050523.080733.181.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron Great pix! Doesn't seem to be excessive in rope-off/"no spectator" rules either. Jim -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Ron D Haskell Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:08 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] California gold Hi all. This past weekend an engine gathering was held in Vista California for California built engines. We had 27 different names represented with 40 engines on the grounds. Pictures may be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31766981&f= Captions to be added later. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 23 12:02:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Oh sure, one like THAT would be fun to ride. My one and only ride on a "speeder" was one that Rick Rowlands built. Chevy six-cylinder for power, flat deck, no handrails, no seats (well Rick had an up-ended 5-gallon pail that HE sat on at the controls), brakes were dodgy, water pump didn't. He ASSURED me the rail spur we went on wasn't being used. At least he thought it wasn't. We HAD to be going 90 mph!! At least it FELT like 90! We survived... Helluva ride!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 23 May 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I have a picture of one here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg > > A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that runs > these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run down > the rails on one of these. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 23 12:38:43 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:38:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California gold Message-ID: <20050523.123843.181.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> You got it Jim. Not a rope or barrier on the premises. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:10:28 -0500 "Jim Dragoset" writes: > Ron > Great pix! Doesn't seem to be excessive in rope-off/"no spectator" > rules > either. > Jim > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 23 12:41:45 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:41:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <000601c55fc3$0f960ac0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000801c55fcf$7500c1a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:11 AM > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it would > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > Clint > > All this talk of Rail Trucks takes me back 30+ years when my hobby was > the restoration of old steam railways. > We joined a railway in the early days of restoration when the main job was > excavating the track through a jungle of vegetation. > We had a hand pushed rail trolley but eventually we got the remains of an old > motorcycle & bolted the frame to the trolley. We put a cog on the rear axle & > drove the cart with the Villers engine on the bike. > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/351634582AQuVqy > This shows the societies committee being given an inspection tour around 1965. > Dave Croft It shows how memories fade with the years! We didn't use the Bike frame, just the engine & gear box. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/351707262QpEkBQ Its a better picture. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 23 14:33:23 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:33:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts Message-ID: <000601c55fdf$267a1d50$2f9ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I am trying to obtain any information about an engine that was pictured in the TOMM magazine. It appeared in the December 19999 / January 2000 issue on page3 the picture was taken at the Lake Goldsmith Rally. The engine is a single flywheel open crank engine with ' The Angus ' cast into either side of the hopper. At the moment I am trying to restore an identicle engine , but it is missing the complete fuel system including the mixer. The govoner weights are there but I don't have anything for them to act on ie; hit and miss or throttle govorened. The engine I have appears to be of the dual ignition type as it has a hot tube and a flick mag worked off the side shaft.We have had the engine running , but any help would be very greatfully appreciated. Thank you , Craig from Scotalnd From plb at iinet.net.au Mon May 23 16:40:24 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:40:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c55ff0$ccce9e90$0501010a@Portable> Do the rings have enough tension or spring left in them?Maybe the engine has got to hot in the past. Seems to me that if compression is lost suddenly as the piston changes direction its rings losing thier seal. If the rings where doing thier job and the piston is good size up to the ring gaps the piston should not wobble? Just food for thought anyway. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > >>I agree with a prior comment that the ring gap and fit is more critical >>than the fact that you may have an undersize in the piston between the >>grooves. > > The rings fit very nicely in the ring groove and although I haven't > measured it, the gap looks pretty good as well, especially since the rings > have overlapping ends. I'm sure that new rings and oil will help but the > thing that bothers me about the compression loss is that it's not a > constant loss as the piston comes up on TDC. Instead, is looses some > compression as it approaches TDC but just as it goes over TDC and the rod > goes from pushing to pulling, what compression there is lost all at one > time in sort of a loud pop. This makes me think that the piston is moving > around a little too much. In fact with the head off, you could see the > piston wiggle a little bit as it rolled over TDC. That's what worried me > that the cylinder was out of round. Although it is out of round just a > bit, from the measurements I think that most of the wiggle is due to the > piston wear and not the cylinder. > >>If you want a more perfect fit on the piston, have it flame sprayed and >>turned down to 5 to 6 thousandths less than your bore. Do this and put in >>new rings and your hunk of iron should need a compression release to turn >>it over. > > From y'alls comments on how much clearance there should be, flame spraying > is where I think I'm heading with this critter. Since I intend to work > this engine on a buzz saw rig rather that just running it, I think that I > need better compression than it has with its built in compression release > at TDC!. I'll definitely hone the cylinder as well as replace the rings > and like you say, it should have compression to spare! Tommy, do you know > of any places here in the Bluegrass that do flame spraying? What type of > metal compound should be applied for ability to machine and good wearing > properties? > > Thanks for the help folks, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 23 17:04:37 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:04:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: Message-ID: <00e901c55ff4$2c9972c0$a65bef18@pengy> Was it really that bad Arnie?!? It was a Ford straight six and I had a bolted on seat, YOU had the 5 gallon bucket! :-) BTW it was a Fairmont A6F3 and its now in new england, having been sold on ebay years ago. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Hi Luke, > > Oh sure, one like THAT would be fun to ride. My one and only ride on a > "speeder" was one that Rick Rowlands built. Chevy six-cylinder for power, > flat deck, no handrails, no seats (well Rick had an up-ended 5-gallon pail > that HE sat on at the controls), brakes were dodgy, water pump didn't. He > ASSURED me the rail spur we went on wasn't being used. At least he > thought it wasn't. We HAD to be going 90 mph!! At least it FELT like 90! > We survived... Helluva ride!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 23 May 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> I have a picture of one here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg >> >> A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that >> runs >> these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run >> down >> the rails on one of these. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon May 23 17:41:55 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:41:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts In-Reply-To: <000601c55fdf$267a1d50$2f9ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, i know the location of this engine. It is in the hands of a fellow collector. I will give him a call and see if he is willing to help you out. I know he has never been able to find out much about these engines. ie where they were made.Up until now we thought his was the only surviving example. Dave in oz >From: "craig morrison" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:33:23 +0100 > >Hi all, > I am trying to obtain any information about an engine that was >pictured in the TOMM magazine. It appeared in the December 19999 / January >2000 issue on page3 the picture was taken at the Lake Goldsmith Rally. > The engine is a single flywheel open crank engine with ' The Angus >' cast into either side of the hopper. At the moment I am trying to restore >an identicle engine , but it is missing the complete fuel system including >the mixer. The govoner weights are there but I don't have anything for them >to act on ie; hit and miss or throttle govorened. > The engine I have appears to be of the dual ignition type as it >has a hot tube and a flick mag worked off the side shaft.We have had the >engine running , but any help would be very greatfully appreciated. > > Thank you , > Craig from Scotalnd >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 23 18:17:11 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:17:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] California gold References: <20050523.080733.181.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001f01c55ffe$5119bba0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> What great pics, thanks for sharing. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [SEL] California gold > > Hi all. > This past weekend an engine gathering was held in Vista California for > California built engines. We had 27 different names represented with 40 > engines on the grounds. Pictures may be seen at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31766981&f= > > Captions to be added later. Enjoy. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Mon May 23 18:50:30 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:50:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00e901c55ff4$2c9972c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <200505240150.j4O1oT507508@pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Ya know, Rick, I remember Arnie's description of this venture from when it took place, and yes, I think that Arnie considered it to be that "BAD". Which of course in "guy talk" is "GOOD"!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine Was it really that bad Arnie?!? It was a Ford straight six and I had a bolted on seat, YOU had the 5 gallon bucket! :-) BTW it was a Fairmont A6F3 and its now in new england, having been sold on ebay years ago. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Hi Luke, > > Oh sure, one like THAT would be fun to ride. My one and only ride on a > "speeder" was one that Rick Rowlands built. Chevy six-cylinder for power, > flat deck, no handrails, no seats (well Rick had an up-ended 5-gallon pail > that HE sat on at the controls), brakes were dodgy, water pump didn't. He > ASSURED me the rail spur we went on wasn't being used. At least he > thought it wasn't. We HAD to be going 90 mph!! At least it FELT like 90! > We survived... Helluva ride!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 23 May 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> I have a picture of one here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg >> >> A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that >> runs >> these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run >> down >> the rails on one of these. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 23 19:18:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:18:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed In-Reply-To: <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <20050518003035.48808.qmail@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050523221755.0221a008@mail.alltel.net> At 10:40 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote: >Does anyone have a phone # for Rick, >Alec J. Stevens I believe that he has none. Dave From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 23 19:22:15 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:22:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions Message-ID: <4403a9$119i8qn@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Do the rings have enough tension or spring left in them?Maybe the engine has > got to hot in the past. Seems to me that if compression is lost suddenly as > the piston changes direction its rings losing thier seal. If the rings where > doing thier job and the piston is good size up to the ring gaps the piston > should not wobble? Just food for thought anyway. > The width of the rings in these old engines makes them more susceptable to compression loss from the piston rocking. If the piston rocks it unseats the ring at the leading edge. J.B. Castagnos From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 23 19:37:59 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:37:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight Message-ID: <001e01c56009$99c93640$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Hi Listers: Would any of you good folks have the weight of a 7hp Alamo hopper cooled, similar to the blue line? Many thanks, Mike Royster From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon May 23 10:04:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:04:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <001b01c55fb9$7ff0c080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, did you know that even IHC made "Booster" engines for fun on the RR. They made them from 1913-16 and were 3 hp. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/IHC3hpbooster.jpg John H. > This might help to see the fairmont engine: > > http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm > > Rick > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon May 23 15:10:45 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:10:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42921CF6.30507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001701c55fe4$47f555d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, here some pics of the Lorenz engines I shot. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/lorenzimages.htm Regards, John H. > John, > Did you happen to take any other pictures of the tin covered Lorenz > (first image on page 2)? That's a pretty neat engine with the belt > driven draft blower and water pump (guess). Would enjoy seeing a few > pictures from other angles. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 23 03:44:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:44:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > Rick > Could Clint mean the rail inspection type cars? the small two / 3-man things that were used for track inspections? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue May 24 02:31:00 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 05:31:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> Yes there were several maunfacturers. Fairmont, Buda, Fairbanks Morse, etc. Check out www.narcoa.org Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: >> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >> engines. >> >> Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the >> manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >> >> Rick >> > > Could Clint mean the rail inspection type cars? the small two / 3-man > things that were used for track inspections? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Tue May 24 03:33:36 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston update In-Reply-To: <001f01c55f4d$903dfff0$fd9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udat a.com> <002601c55f3b$4eadcf50$0501010a@Portable> <001f01c55f4d$903dfff0$fd9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Howdy all, After all of the great info that I received from you folks, I thought that I would give you an update on what I found out yesterday. You folks nailed it on the head with the space between the ring and the ring groove. The gap with the first and second ring was 0.010 and the third ring was 0.060. That's a far cry from the expected 0.001 to 0.0015! Also after getting the rings off I put the first ring in the cylinder to check the end gap. The good news is that it made a nice tight fit in the bore and I couldn't get a 0.001 gauge between the ring and the cylinder at any point around the bore. But the end gap was 0.073. I'm pretty sure that's bigger than the ~0.018 that it should be for a 4.75" bore! So, guess that new rings are on my shopping list. After I got the piston all cleaned up I measured the size of the ring grooves. At the very top of the first and second grooves, the width was 0.380 and from the middle of the groove to the bottom it was 0.375. In other words they have a bit of a "V" shape. The first and second rings were only 0.369 wide (instead of 0.374) which accounts for the 0.010 space between the ring and groove. The plan will be to turn the grooves straight to a width of 0.405 and install a 0.030 spacer along with the new rings. Hopefully that will take care of the compression problems. If not I guess that I'll flame spray the piston to get it back up to specs. Although after the great stepped piston sizing info that several of you folks sent that showed the correct gap between the piston and cylinder at the first, second, third ring lands and the skirt, it's not off by very much. So I'm betting/hoping that the rings and ring groove work will take care of things. Thanks for all of the great info folks. This is the first time that I've really learned what the numbers on rings should be. Before I've been able to get by with whether or not the rings "looked" good. It's the details that get ya'! Thanks again, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue May 24 03:43:26 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:43:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Yes there were several maunfacturers. Fairmont, Buda, Fairbanks Morse, etc. > Check out www.narcoa.org > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > >> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > >> Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > >> manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > >> Rick > > Could Clint mean the rail inspection type cars? the small two / 3-man > > things that were used for track inspections? > > Peter Thanks for that Tod, That has got to be the biggest collection of track cars ever. I liked the Mini minor conversion. When I was working on the K&WVR* restoration many years ago Land Rover loaned us a Landrover with lowerable guide rail wheels front & back to keep the tyres on top of the rail. They wished to know if it was a working proposition. We found it great except for one day when we went through a cobbled shunting yard with the rails set in the cobbles. The cobbles lifted the guide wheels out of the rails & as the track curved we went charging across the yard at full speed with the steering locked. Thank god the brakes still worked. * see http://www.kwvr.co.uk/ Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 24 07:25:14 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:25:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Looking for In-Reply-To: <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> I am looking for a[[Myerys]] [[Meyers]] that has been on the list about Ottawa ????? engines and equipment. for a friend not on the lists. Thanks R Fink PA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 24 04:52:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:52:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looking for In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524075157.0221d340@mail.alltel.net> At 10:25 AM 5/24/2005, you wrote: >I am looking for a[[Myerys]] [[Meyers]] that has been on the list about >Ottawa ????? engines and equipment. for a friend not on the lists. >Thanks >R Fink >PA Hi Richard, I think you are looking for "George/Helen Myers" Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 24 05:42:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:42:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston update Message-ID: <1da.3cb30452.2fc47b2e@aol.com> In a message dated 5/24/2005 7:11:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mtucker at uky.edu writes: << The plan will be to turn the grooves straight to a width of 0.405 and install a 0.030 spacer along with the new rings >> Mike, I think the smart thing to do is to get the rings machined to fiot the new groove size rather than undersize rings with a spacer. They will machine to any thickness/width/diameter that you need. Why pay for 6 rings when you can pay for 3? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 24 06:06:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:06:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> <001b01c55fb9$7ff0c080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Now that's a pretty kewl looking engine John!! I've heard of some people that still use the old rail tracks for fun and pleasure. They're all getting torn up around here and reclaimed..some into jogging trails. We had a chance a couple years ago to get a speeder car and a couple rebuilt engines, but the time wasn't right...or the wallet. On another note, If any of the list members read this, Corky and I are looking for a paint code for antique purple for our steamer. The Company can't help us, but it was the first coat of paint on this engine. I'll cruise the engine pix's I have today and see if I can find something that sticks out. Any help would be appreciated. Life is good in Mt. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Hi Rick, did you know that even IHC made "Booster" engines > for fun on the RR. > They made them from 1913-16 and were 3 hp. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/IHC3hpbooster.jpg > > John H. > > > > > This might help to see the fairmont engine: > > > > http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm > > > > Rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 24 06:31:54 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:31:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Speaking of Fairmonts Message-ID: Here's one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63949&item=7517159085&rd=1 usual disclaimer RickinMt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 23 06:21:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:21:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > Rick We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible on crossings and in the wet! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 24 10:23:09 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:23:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine Message-ID: <4404pq$11aah1e@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Detroit-Sandow 2 cycle fuel injected engines were produced for rail cars. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 24 10:27:03 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:27:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston update Message-ID: <43vtna$s74jgn@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> >> If not I guess that I'll flame spray the > piston to get it back up to specs. Michael, if you're thinking of flame spraying, I would have the cylinder honed true first, have the piston and rings sized to fit. J.B. Castagnos From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 23 19:33:54 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:33:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US Message-ID: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents in this photo? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 24 15:27:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:27:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524182609.0427c4f0@mail.alltel.net> At 10:33 PM 5/23/2005, you wrote: >OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents in >this photo? > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, "Gents?" The one on the left is a chick. Is a chick the same as a gent in KY? Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 24 15:45:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:45:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their younger years. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents in > this photo? > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 24 19:34:04 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:34:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Looking for In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524075157.0221d340@mail.alltel.net> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050524075157.0221d340@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050524193344.01ac0300@mail.pennswoods.net> Thanks Dave R Fink At 04:52 AM 5/24/2005, you wrote: >At 10:25 AM 5/24/2005, you wrote: >>I am looking for a[[Myerys]] [[Meyers]] that has been on the list about >>Ottawa ????? engines and equipment. for a friend not on the lists. >>Thanks >>R Fink >>PA > >Hi Richard, I think you are looking for "George/Helen Myers" > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 24 16:55:12 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:55:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. Message-ID: <20050524.165513.660.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I need to remove the flywheel from the crank of my 6 hp Blackstone. It has two square keys that go all the way through. Any suggestions besides drilling them out? Here are some pictures: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843990 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843991 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843992 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843993 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue May 24 17:02:54 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:02:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re:Help wanted from Australian Enthusiasts Message-ID: <20050525000254.53112.qmail@web32014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gday Craig I saw this engine at Goldsmith probably 3 years ago, just the once. The owner was from Horsham or somewhere abouts, or that was where the engine was found. It sounds like Dave Nicko has a good lead on it for you, so you should be right. Could I ask you to email me a photo of yours, just for interest? I was pretty impressed with "The Angus", and thought it would be an Oz built engine. I think the (then?) owner was deluged with offers to buy!! Cheers Graham in Oz From: "David Nicolson" Subject: RE: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts Hi Craig, i know the location of this engine. It is in the hands of a fellow collector. I will give him a call and see if he is >Hi all, > I am trying to obtain any information about an engine that was >pictured in the TOMM magazine. It appeared in the December 19999 / January >2000 issue on page3 the picture was taken at the Lake Goldsmith Rally. > The engine is a single flywheel open crank engine with ' The Angus >' cast into either side of the hopper. At the moment Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From driggars at earthlink.net Tue May 24 17:43:21 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:43:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, not much to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars Look under RR Engine Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still > quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses > with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. > > Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible > on crossings and in the wet! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue May 24 17:48:11 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:48:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com><019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <01b001c560c3$6d307a70$a65bef18@pengy> > When I was working on the K&WVR* restoration many years ago Land Rover > loaned us > a Landrover with lowerable guide rail wheels front & back to keep the > tyres on top of the rail. > They wished to know if it was a working proposition. > We found it great except for one day when we went through a cobbled > shunting yard with the rails set in the cobbles. > The cobbles lifted the guide wheels out of the rails & as the track curved > we went charging across the > yard at full speed with the steering locked. Thank god the brakes still > worked. Dave, I di the exact same thing in Youngstown when I used to hay a hyrail truck. I was patroling our line and got to a grade crossing on a slight curve. Well the track went to the right and I went straight toward the curb! Just a matter of backing up and dropping back in the flangeways. My truck did not have the steering wheel lock, and I never had a moment's trouble with an unlocked wheel. That truck actually tracked very well. Rick From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue May 24 18:10:47 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:10:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> Message-ID: <018101c560c6$96b91430$d6f1af40@D6R3D961> Is it a 2 cycle or 4 cycle? could it be a Fairmont?? It looks about the right size Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, > not much > to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars > > Look under RR Engine > > Clint > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: >> > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >> > engines. >> > >> > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know >> > the >> > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >> > >> > Rick >> >> We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still >> quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses >> with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. >> >> Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible >> on crossings and in the wet! >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From empson07 at chilitech.com Mon May 23 18:56:19 2005 From: empson07 at chilitech.com (Mark Empson) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:56:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <000001c560c8$f5609380$058c9d3f@pavilion> Mike , The difference in piston diameter from head to skirt might very well be by design in that the head of the piston is in contact with combustion and will inherently be hotter ( more expansion ) this heat is transferred to the cylinder via the rings which have a gap that allows them to expand and not tighten up in the bore . The piston to wall clearance is measured on the skirt which is meant to guide the piston in the cylinder . The seal between the piston and rings happens on the ring lands thus the need for a fairly tight fit there as someone else said .001 - .002 would be great but I wouldn't be alarmed if it were .005 . In my opinion glaze hone the cylinder and install new rings . Mark Empson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy > today. It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, > hit-n-miss IHC Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when > pulling it through compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of > compression past the piston at top dead center. So, with the help of > my machinist neighbors tools I took some measurements of the piston > and cylinder. The cylinder is in great condition with no hint of a > ring ridge. Up at the head end of the cylinder the horizontal > diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is 4.8060". At the > flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8010" and > the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper and the > cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. I > think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The > piston is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely > round up by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first > and second ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, > it's 4.794". So at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical > difference in the diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 > thousandths and a horizontal difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a > perfect world, what should the difference in piston diameter and > cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be in pretty good > shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 24 19:36:42 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524182609.0427c4f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050524182609.0427c4f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4293E4BA.7050807@scrtc.com> Dave, No, there was a difference last time I looked, although I've paid much more attention to the chicks than gents. Looking at the photo again, you may be right. The person on the left may not be a gent. If anyone has an idea who they are, please let me know. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:33 PM 5/23/2005, you wrote: > >> OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents >> in this photo? >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 >> >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > Hi Tommy, "Gents?" The one on the left is a chick. Is a chick the same > as a gent in KY? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 24 20:35:26 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:35:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] I'll take the Maytag Message-ID: <4293F27E.80402@earthlink.net> Hi all, Been trying to get the four year old B&S powered rototiller going for a couple days now. I'll take the damn carb clear off and soak it tomorrow. Short one got bored and wanted to start something that runs. Put some gas in the Maytag for him. Lit on the second kick. Wish it ran the other way. Wrong rotation or it would be on the tiller and I'd be doing the garden. Also took a listen to one of the Fairmont rail car engines. Sweet sound, much like a Maytag. I think I need one. Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 24 20:49:27 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:49:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> Message-ID: <4293F5C7.50906@earthlink.net> Hi Clint, Here are three shots that may help. I am leaning towards a Fairmont from your photos. From all of the posts it seems that there are some that play with real cool railroad toys. Me thinks it would also be a way cool stationary engine. If you need more photos let me know. Train museum is just down the road, and I'll take any excuse to go there. :-)) Jeff http://oldirongallery.com/T1 http://oldirongallery.com/T2 http://oldirongallery.com/T3 Clint D wrote: >OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, not much >to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? > >http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars > >Look under RR Engine > >Clint > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Listerdiesel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:21 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > >>On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: >> >> >>>Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. >>> >>>Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the >>>manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >>> >>>Rick >>> >>> >>We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still >>quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses >>with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. >> >>Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible >>on crossings and in the wet! >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From segray at mlode.com Tue May 24 21:44:16 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:44:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> Message-ID: <429402A0.90602@mlode.com> Hi Clint - Go to http://www.oldengineshed.com/tractor.html and have a look at some of the engine shots located there, especially the 2nd picture down. Your pictures look all the world like the same PH-4 I used on the tractor frame. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Clint D wrote: >OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, not much >to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? > >http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars > >Look under RR Engine > >Clint > > > > From gibsongus at myway.com Tue May 24 21:53:04 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. Message-ID: <20050525045304.E65823985@mprdmxin.myway.com> Very interesting, heat that sucker up squit pentatrating oil and drive em out .-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 05/24, < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:55:12 -0700Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal.Hi all.I need to remove the flywheel from the crank of my 6 hp Blackstone. Ithas two square keys that go all the way through. Any suggestions besidesdrilling them out? Here are some pictures:http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843990&f=0http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843991&f=0http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843992&f=0http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843993&f=0Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 25 07:48:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. References: <20050524.165513.660.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Can you weld to the key, Ron? Definetly a flywheel with "STYLE." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. > Hi all. > I need to remove the flywheel from the crank of my 6 hp Blackstone. It > has two square keys that go all the way through. Any suggestions besides > drilling them out? Here are some pictures: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843990 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843991 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843992 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843993 > &f=0 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 25 00:13:18 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:13:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/05, John Hammink wrote: > Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their > younger years. > > John Hammink LOL !! :-)) I've had my beard and have worn glasses for over 40 years, John, since before we got married in fact so it isn't me and Rita. I don't recognise the couple at all, perhaps Tommy could let us know when the pictures were taken and at which show/event? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 25 10:20:28 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:20:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4294B3DC.4040206@scrtc.com> Peter, Not sure on the date or event. I'm sure it was in England. The photo came to me as an attachment on an email with a photo of an engine that I think one of the individuals owned. I need some info on it and thought they could help provide it. But, I don't know who they are. Maybe someone will. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On 5/24/05, John Hammink wrote: > > >>Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their >>younger years. >> >>John Hammink >> >> > >LOL !! :-)) > >I've had my beard and have worn glasses for over 40 years, John, since >before we got married in fact so it isn't me and Rita. > >I don't recognise the couple at all, perhaps Tommy could let us know >when the pictures were taken and at which show/event? > >Peter > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed May 25 10:26:08 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:26:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long reach plug Message-ID: <44038i$112j04a@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> I'm looking for a long reach 1/2" pipe thread sparkplug. I think Maytag may have used something like this. This is for a vertical sideshaft marine engine manufactured by Domestic. Any help would be appreciated. J.B. Castagnos From oldengineman at hotmail.com Tue May 24 07:12:33 2005 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight In-Reply-To: <001e01c56009$99c93640$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Hey Mike, You're welcome to come on up to West Virginia with some scales and weigh mine. I'n not sure, but it is fairly heavy -- maybe 1100 to 1200 lbs. Just a guess.. 'till later Pete Stauffer >From: "Mike Royster" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:37:59 -0400 > >Hi Listers: > > Would any of you good folks have the weight of a 7hp Alamo hopper >cooled, similar to the blue line? > >Many thanks, >Mike Royster >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 25 13:57:10 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:57:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <4403a9$119i8qn@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Is it possible to install nylon or teflon buttons in the skirt to stop the rocking without going to the expense of flamespraying and re tuning? Steve >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:22:15 -0400 > > > > > > > Do the rings have enough tension or spring left in them?Maybe the engine >has > > got to hot in the past. Seems to me that if compression is lost suddenly >as > > the piston changes direction its rings losing thier seal. If the rings >where > > doing thier job and the piston is good size up to the ring gaps the >piston > > should not wobble? Just food for thought anyway. > > >The width of the rings in these old engines makes them more susceptable to >compression loss from the piston rocking. If the piston rocks it unseats >the ring at the leading edge. >J.B. Castagnos >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sleis at mwt.net Wed May 25 16:47:52 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:47:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Linsay Alamo ignitor help Message-ID: <003501c56184$469b7e20$6654becf@computer> Hi everyone Do any of you know where I can find a ignitor for a Linsay Alamo 1 1/2hp? I thought there was a guy at the swap meet in Baraboo but I cant remember. any help would be very appreciated here is my email address sleis at mwt.net Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 25 15:33:27 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:33:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List Message-ID: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a location for the serial number list? Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 25 16:13:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:13:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> References: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525191220.043236e8@mail.alltel.net> At 06:33 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a >location for the serial number list? > >Thanks, > >Paul Hi Paul, Glenn has the list in his book. You should buy it. It's only $10.00! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 25 16:21:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:21:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525192006.043ad480@mail.alltel.net> At 03:13 AM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >On 5/24/05, John Hammink wrote: > > Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their > > younger years. > > > > John Hammink > >I've had my beard and have worn glasses for over 40 years, John, since >before we got married >Peter Hi Peter, I thought you were married to Rita. Were you married to John prior to that? Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 25 17:03:32 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:03:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. Message-ID: <20050525.170332.1432.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick One looks like it might be possible, don't want to weld the key to the crank. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:51 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Can you weld to the key, Ron? > > Definetly a flywheel with "STYLE." > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 25 17:13:36 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:13:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on Appleton #22 Burr Mill Message-ID: <015301c56187$c4dcefa0$230110ac@PAUL> Does anyone have any information on Appleton Burr Mills? I am looking for information on a Appleton Mfg. Co #22 Mill. Thanks, Paul From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 25 17:19:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:19:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List Message-ID: <12a.5e1459d3.2fc67002@aol.com> In a message dated 5/25/2005 6:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine >> Paul, What is the serial number? I have Glenn's book. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 25 18:14:51 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:14:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis engine Message-ID: <4295230B.50604@earthlink.net> Hi all, Not a list member, so reply direct if you can help. Reply to: linda.daryl1 at bigpond.com > I am a member of the Hamilton Pastoral Museum and have recently > purchased my first engine to restore. I have searched everywhere and > have not been able to find a manual to suit a Kelly & Lewis 4hp > vertical engine. The trouble is it has teh maggy missing and what > appears to be the maggy gear that goes through the block housing. I > dont know where to start. I would apprecite it if you could give me > some advice as i'm keen to get things happening with it or whether ive > brought a lemon. > > > Kind Regards, Daryl Albert > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 25 18:19:27 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:19:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster References: Message-ID: <002a01c56191$b5a26c40$ca85dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Rick.Sorry to be slow in replying to your request.I took the Webster and Bkt of my 4hp Famous today and here is what I found.The Bkt is a 303J4 and the mag is a JZ4.This seems to be the norm here.I have not seen the K bkt on any 4hp engine here.I.H.C list this set up in there parts book as well as the K set up.It is strange that the Webster lists that I have don't show the J4 set up. Hope this helps and gives you an alternative. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Cc: "Corky Harris" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster > Howdy all; > Trying to locate the numbers for a Webster mount and igniter for the 4hp > horizontal Famous. My Webster data in Doc Schusters book on page 80 is > unreadable...possibly a A303K40-B or K46-B. > > Could someone please look in their book and see if they can make it > out..or maybe someone has a Famous..Webster fired. > > TIA..Life is good in "The Big Sky" > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 25 19:16:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:16:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <12a.5e1459d3.2fc67002@aol.com> References: <12a.5e1459d3.2fc67002@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525221601.043dbce0@mail.alltel.net> ><< Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine >> >Paul, >What is the serial number? I have Glenn's book. >Tom Schmutz So does Paul--he just forgot that he had it! Dave From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed May 25 19:41:51 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:41:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> References: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050525213357.03d88f98@mail.herculesengines.com> Paul You might try looking here: http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm Try the first link. You'll also find copies of owners manuals, original literature, pictures, etc. Keith At 05:33 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a >location for the serial number list? > >Thanks, > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 23 08:44:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:44:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <6f60251605052308447c77179b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Does it resemble this: > > http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html > > Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. > > Rick > Looks like an Onan CCK air-cooled twin in there? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 26 03:36:48 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:36:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight References: Message-ID: <000b01c561de$d286a2c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Good Mornin Pete: Thanks for chiming in. I told my hard headed brother it did not weight more than 1200, but he would not believe me. Looks like I am going to Portland in August. I will be riding with Bill Bird. You coming? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Alamo weight > Hey Mike, > > You're welcome to come on up to West Virginia with some scales and weigh > mine. I'n not sure, but it is fairly heavy -- maybe 1100 to 1200 lbs. Just > a guess.. > > 'till later > > Pete Stauffer > > >From: "Mike Royster" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: > >Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:37:59 -0400 > > > >Hi Listers: > > > > Would any of you good folks have the weight of a 7hp Alamo hopper > >cooled, similar to the blue line? > > > >Many thanks, > >Mike Royster > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu May 26 04:48:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:48:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List References: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> <6.2.1.2.0.20050525213357.03d88f98@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <000b01c561e8$dccbae10$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Keith, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List > Paul > You might try looking here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm > Try the first link. You'll also find copies of owners manuals, original > literature, pictures, etc. > Keith > > > > At 05:33 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >>Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a >>location for the serial number list? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Paul >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu May 26 05:50:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:50:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster References: <002a01c56191$b5a26c40$ca85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time and trouble, Edd..'preciate it! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster > Hi Rick.Sorry to be slow in replying to your request.I took the Webster > and > Bkt of my 4hp Famous today and here is what I found.The Bkt is a 303J4 and > the mag is a JZ4.This seems to be the norm here.I have not seen the K bkt > on > any 4hp engine here.I.H.C list this set up in there parts book as well as > the K set up.It is strange that the Webster lists that I have don't show > the > J4 set up. Hope this helps and gives you an alternative. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Cc: "Corky Harris" > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 > Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster > > > > Howdy all; > > Trying to locate the numbers for a Webster mount and igniter for the 4hp > > horizontal Famous. My Webster data in Doc Schusters book on page 80 is > > unreadable...possibly a A303K40-B or K46-B. > > > > Could someone please look in their book and see if they can make it > > out..or maybe someone has a Famous..Webster fired. > > > > TIA..Life is good in "The Big Sky" > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu May 26 06:28:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:28:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. References: <20050525.170332.1432.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Well Ron, for what it's worth,,here goes on how I got the Gals flywheels off. I drilled, tapped, slide hamered the whole routine..nothing, zipppo. The crank throw has a nice flat area for a puller to rest on, so I tried to pull the flywheel on just a little bit more. Both the flywheel and key moved just a perverbial hair, so I reversed the puller and installed so I could pull off the flywheel. Both the flywheel and key moved together and I was keeping a very close eye out for one to move and not the other. After several hours and quite a bit of sweat, I had one off. The other one did the same thing, both with no ill effects. And that ~3" key had a .020 taper. Oh I just remembered, I had a heat gun on the hub all the time and it seemed to help. Stayed away from Rosebud. We have no way of knowing if your keys are tapered, but common sense would suggest they are...definetly a different arrangement than what we're used to seeing. I always wanted to try dry ice on the cs and heat on the hub, but never have. If it were mine, I'd have the cs all polished up, apply our favorite panther pi$$ over and over and put it thru many heat cycles....again not using Rosebud. Can't think of anything else. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. > Hi Rick > One looks like it might be possible, don't want to weld the key to the > crank. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:51 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Can you weld to the key, Ron? > > > > Definetly a flywheel with "STYLE." > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:55 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 26 15:24:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:24:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525192006.043ad480@mail.alltel.net> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050525192006.043ad480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605052615244581e3a9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/26/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, I thought you were married to Rita. Were you married to John > prior to that? > Dave Hey, Dave, read the punctuation!! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 26 17:39:43 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050527003943.50794.qmail@web14122.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Rick. I'll give it a go. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Ron..click on the vBChat and I'll try to get his email address: Please remind me http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5 Good Luck Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Field engines > Rick, > How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. > Thanks > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract > to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but > other > show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the > scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. > The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. > > Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes > by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. > > > I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted > one. > > > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri May 27 06:57:32 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:57:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? In-Reply-To: <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050527065607.01aceb00@mail.pennswoods.net> Gus i have a couple 16 but don't remember if they are brigs or kohler if interested. central PA R Fink PA At 09:11 AM 5/22/2005, you wrote: >Heck Le roy you can get all kinds of cards at American Greetings store or >Hall mark >Ha ha You dont no of a lonly 16 hp hor shaft Kohler engine laying >around??? I just redid the whole front end ( gear bosxes,blades ect ) on >the front of my lawn rig ( Parker ) to ther toon of 500 bucks worth only >to have the engine eat a rod today... I still have that old engine to >trade for ?????? >Gus in Ottawa >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Fri May 27 08:55:03 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050527065607.01aceb00@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> <6.1.0.6.0.20050527065607.01aceb00@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <2652.165.206.180.144.1117209303.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Too bad you can't use a verticle shaft - I've got a 18.5 hp Briggs twin with vert. shaft - I'm thinking of working this rider that I got into a butt-buggy, maybe power it with an antique.... Not sure what to do with it. Bill > > Gus i have a couple 16 but don't remember if they are brigs or kohler if > interested. central PA > R Fink > PA > > > > > At 09:11 AM 5/22/2005, you wrote: >>Heck Le roy you can get all kinds of cards at American Greetings store or >>Hall mark >>Ha ha You dont no of a lonly 16 hp hor shaft Kohler engine laying >>around??? I just redid the whole front end ( gear bosxes,blades ect ) on >>the front of my lawn rig ( Parker ) to ther toon of 500 bucks worth only >>to have the engine eat a rod today... I still have that old engine to >>trade for ?????? >>Gus in Ottawa >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 27 14:05:38 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:05:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year Message-ID: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Hi All If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 hours from start to finish. So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something to make the loading process a LOT easier. Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands :-)))))))) Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm Dolly & Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri May 27 14:52:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:52:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000501c56306$737f18b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Great work guys, afterall I never had a doubt about Jim's lifting capacities . John H. > Hi All > > If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the > year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took > Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 > hours from start to finish. > So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something > to make the loading process a LOT easier. > Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. > >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up > and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands > :-)))))))) > Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm > > Dolly & Jim > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri May 27 15:26:08 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:26:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001f01c5630b$15aa7590$c1596e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Nice way of loading! What is the reaction of the public and the engine crowd to the engine. I don't expect there are many of these over there. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year > Hi All > > If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the > year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took > Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 > hours from start to finish. > So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something > to make the loading process a LOT easier. > Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. >>From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up > and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands > :-)))))))) > Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm > > Dolly & Jim > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 27 15:59:51 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:59:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site Message-ID: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Hi all, I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: http://www.todengine.org/ Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two computers and no luck here. Thanks, Jeff From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 27 16:44:49 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f701c56316$126ab2e0$a65bef18@pengy> I just tried it and it works perfect for me. I have IE 6.0. If anyone else has a problem I'll contact my webmaster, but I would imagine that the page should open for all browsers. Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > Hi all, > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > http://www.todengine.org/ > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > computers and no luck here. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 27 17:30:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:30:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> No problems here. Using Mozilla Firefox, IE 6, and Netscape. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > Hi all, > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > http://www.todengine.org/ > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > computers and no luck here. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 27 19:14:47 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:14:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site In-Reply-To: <001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> <001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <4297D417.2070703@earthlink.net> Sorry all. Had to reboot the whole damn network a couple times and all is well. Thanks! Jeff Steve W. wrote: >No problems here. Using Mozilla Firefox, IE 6, and Netscape. > >Steve Williams > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM >Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > > > > >>Hi all, >> >>I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: >>http://www.todengine.org/ >> >>Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on >> >> >two > > >>computers and no luck here. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Jeff >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 27 19:57:24 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:57:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net><001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> <4297D417.2070703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <014e01c56330$f9660540$a65bef18@pengy> Jeff thats OK. You generated some extra traffic to our site and thats most appreciated! :-))) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > Sorry all. Had to reboot the whole damn network a couple times and all is > well. Thanks! > > Jeff > > Steve W. wrote: > >>No problems here. Using Mozilla Firefox, IE 6, and Netscape. >> >>Steve Williams >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jeff Allen" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM >>Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site >> >> >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: >>>http://www.todengine.org/ >>> >>>Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on >>> >>two >> >>>computers and no luck here. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Jeff >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 28 01:21:54 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:21:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site In-Reply-To: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050528012124e5f18b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/27/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > http://www.todengine.org/ > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > computers and no luck here. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Works OK on Opera, IE6 and Firefox. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat May 28 02:12:00 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:12:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford Parker Auction, Foster, Vic Australia Message-ID: <001901c56367$637af130$51ae57ca@n> G'day All Went to the Ford parker Auction at Foster today and was very cold, windy and wet, but still a lot of buyers there and a few bargains were to be had: Here is a list of what the better engines went for: All engine were old restorations and would go with a bit of oil and fuel. *Sundial B 2 h.p $440 *Cooper TB 2 h.p $400 *Ronny D model $500 *Sundial A 4 h.p $700 *Root & Vandervoort $1800 *Callie Perfection Marine $775 *Petter Handyman $3700 *Cooper W was passed in at $1200 but believed to have sold after for $2500 *Tangye BR LT ignition passed in at $3250 *Early Petrol McDonald $3100 *Wisconsia Pep $2500 *Cooper coffee pot $625 *Sandwich 1.5 h.p $2700 *Hercules 3 h.p $1150 *Blackstone vertical petrol $3100 *Sunshine extremely early model 7 h.p $2500 *National Gas 4 h.p? $4500 *Powell 3 h.p $3500 *Crossley LL $5000 *Crossley KK $5100 *Imperial Pitt 5 h.p $8000 *Hornsby Petrol with air compressor $7300 *Blackstone 6 h.p $5700 *Hercules 3 h.p $1700 *Gardner 4 F $10000 *Campbell Girder engine $8100 *Austral 11 h.p $7200 *Inter M LT with pump $1900 So there you go and the magnetos went mainly from $10 to $150 with a few others as webster, wizzard, elkhart etc going between $200 and $550 I myself Snagged the Early Sunshine and the Root & Vandervoort and a few magneto's so i had a good day as well. Cheers Mick Mick Christie Victoria, Australia Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat May 28 05:46:13 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:46:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> <001f01c5630b$15aa7590$c1596e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <42986815.B08A39F7@insulate.co.uk> Hi Jim We've only taken Tillie to a couple of shows; one is a little local show at the city pumping station where there are a small number of all sorts of things mechanical on display, so people don't realise that they're seeing something really special. The other show, Lamport, is the one we're doing this weekend, and we took Tillie there a couple of years ago. It's about 15 miles south of us at a beautiful stately home, with LOTS of displays. I think they're expecting over 100 stationary engines this year. Not only is this show the perfect setting, it also has the most enthusiastic organiser for the engines. There are lots of shows which have expressed an interest in having Tillie on display, but Pete makes a huge effort to ensure that she has pride of place on the showground AND means of loading and unloading. We are fairly certain she's the only half-breed in the UK - possibly in Europe. There are rumoured to be other oilfield engines in England, but I've never heard of them being rallied. One of the most interesting things about the first time we did Lamport was the way she drew the steam men over. Normally, the steam fraternity don't take any notice of the engines, but most of them made the exception for Tillie! Today when we took her and unloaded her, lots of folk ambled over and in the course of the conversation, asked if we'd taken her barker this year!!!! That had definately stayed in a lot of memories! Of course, we will be demonstrating! The public also ask lots of questions, because she's so big! The two-coloured paint job draws attention, but it's a great way of explaining the steam to gas converson. So all in all, she's a great crowd puller, from the totally unmechanical, who just want to know what she did and how we move her around, to the highly technical, who are fascinated to see something so different. Dolly Jim and Diane wrote: > Nice way of loading! What is the reaction of the public and the engine > crowd to the engine. I don't expect there are many of these over there. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat May 28 08:09:14 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:09:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year In-Reply-To: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Nice job Jim and Dolly! That series of photos of Tillie's shed brought back some great memories of our visit. That's a great way to load and unload engines and I need to build something like that here at my place. I couldn't tell from the pictures, what kind of footings did you have to pour to support that frame and Tillie? Thanks for the nice pictures. Since Arnie is a little behind on his reports will we also get to see some Lamport photos? See you in Portland, Steve >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:05:38 +0100 > >Hi All > >If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the >year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took >Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 >hours from start to finish. >So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something >to make the loading process a LOT easier. >Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. > >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up >and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands >:-)))))))) >Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm > >Dolly & Jim > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 28 09:10:54 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:10:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] babbitt melting pot Message-ID: Neat little melting pot here with other bells and whistles: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7517659519 Take Care, RickinMt. From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat May 28 11:37:36 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:37:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> <00f701c56316$126ab2e0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <001901c563b4$532c4340$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> I had no problem opening . Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > I just tried it and it works perfect for me. I have IE 6.0. If anyone else > has a problem I'll contact my webmaster, but I would imagine that the page > should open for all browsers. > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Heritage Park > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > > http://www.todengine.org/ > > > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > > computers and no luck here. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/05 > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat May 28 14:23:55 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:23:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: Message-ID: <4298E16B.CEA967A1@insulate.co.uk> Hi Steve Steve Royster wrote: > Nice job Jim and Dolly! That series of photos of Tillie's shed brought back > some great memories of our visit. That's a great way to load and unload > engines and I need to build something like that here at my place. I couldn't > tell from the pictures, what kind of footings did you have to pour to > support that frame and Tillie? Footings weren't all that deep - each one only has to support 15CWTs, so Jim dug holes about 18" sq, down to about 2', then filled them with concrete and bolted the framework to it. The tricky bit was getting each of them level for the steel structure. > Thanks for the nice pictures. Since Arnie is > a little behind on his reports will we also get to see some Lamport photos? You certainly will. Tonight the lads took Jim's newest engine, the Ruston Hornsby 2HR (10HP, open crank diesel) over to the showground for its first outing. Andy's taken a couple of his engines, and Norma Jean is loaded into the trailer ready to go in the morning. Forecast is good, we're set up right near the beer tent, so it all looks to be going according to plan! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat May 28 19:57:29 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:57:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> <001f01c5630b$15aa7590$c1596e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <42986815.B08A39F7@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <006e01c563fa$27f775f0$a0426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Helen, Thanks for the reply. I got to thinking about half breed engines and I have to say they are not very common here either. I have never seen one made by anybody at any of the west coast shows, some oil field engines yes, but no half breeds. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year > Hi Jim > > We've only taken Tillie to a couple of shows; one is a little local show > at > the city pumping station where there are a small number of all sorts of > things > mechanical on display, so people don't realise that they're seeing > something > really special. > The other show, Lamport, is the one we're doing this weekend, and we took > Tillie there a couple of years ago. It's about 15 miles south of us at a > beautiful stately home, with LOTS of displays. I think they're expecting > over > 100 stationary engines this year. Not only is this show the perfect > setting, > it also has the most enthusiastic organiser for the engines. > There are lots of shows which have expressed an interest in having Tillie > on > display, but Pete makes a huge effort to ensure that she has pride of > place on > the showground AND means of loading and unloading. > We are fairly certain she's the only half-breed in the UK - possibly in > Europe. There are rumoured to be other oilfield engines in England, but > I've > never heard of them being rallied. > One of the most interesting things about the first time we did Lamport was > the > way she drew the steam men over. Normally, the steam fraternity don't > take > any notice of the engines, but most of them made the exception for Tillie! > Today when we took her and unloaded her, lots of folk ambled over and in > the > course of the conversation, asked if we'd taken her barker this year!!!! > That > had definately stayed in a lot of memories! Of course, we will be > demonstrating! > The public also ask lots of questions, because she's so big! The > two-coloured > paint job draws attention, but it's a great way of explaining the steam to > gas > converson. So all in all, she's a great crowd puller, from the totally > unmechanical, who just want to know what she did and how we move her > around, > to the highly technical, who are fascinated to see something so different. > > Dolly > > Jim and Diane wrote: > >> Nice way of loading! What is the reaction of the public and the engine >> crowd to the engine. I don't expect there are many of these over there. >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From welch at ii.net Sun May 29 00:24:17 2005 From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:24:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Big Blackstone in Western Australia Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050529151403.0227aec0@mail.iinet.net.au> Evening all, If anyone in Western Australia is interested in a Blackstone OP2 diesel, located in suburban Perth, please get in touch with me offline ; welch AT iinet.net.au Images at ; http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESBlackstoneOP21.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESBlackstoneOP22.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESBlackstoneOP23.JPG This engine is very heavy, and in a location that will make it difficult to retrieve, however the asking price is exceedingly modest, verging on $0.00 ! They also have a 24 inch Cincinnati Shaper available ; http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper1.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper2.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper3.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper4.JPG cheers ... Charles Welch From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 29 05:05:00 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:05:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford Parker Auction, Foster, Vic Australia In-Reply-To: <001901c56367$637af130$51ae57ca@n> Message-ID: <20050529120456.DAOV16004.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I would not have minded one of the bigger engines but they were all a bit rich for my budget. The R&V is a good buy, but I always think a R&V is a good buy ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day All Went to the Ford parker Auction at Foster today and was very cold, windy and wet, but still a lot of buyers there and a few bargains were to be had: Here is a list of what the better engines went for: All engine were old restorations and would go with a bit of oil and fuel. I myself Snagged the Early Sunshine and the Root & Vandervoort and a few magneto's so i had a good day as well. Cheers Mick From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun May 29 07:46:37 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:46:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! Message-ID: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. The workshop would be for the better part of one day, and would start with making a sand mold from a pattern, either something brought in or supplied by us. Then we would charge and fire our cupola furnace and pour the molds that were previously made, and end the day with shaking out he molds and taking home the castings that the participants poured. Most people never have the opportunity to witness molten metal, and even fewer have worked with it. Through this I workshop would like to give people the opportunity to do something that they may not have the chance to do or see anywhere else, and also teach some of the principles of ironcasting in the process. Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. If there is sufficient interest we would probably start offering this next year. So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown to pour your own castings? Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 29 11:08:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:08:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f60251605052911081c956868@mail.gmail.com> On 5/29/05, Tod Engine wrote: > I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine >Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. Rick: That sounds like a great idea, especially for those wanting to dip a toe in the water on casting matters, but haven't the knowledge to make a go of it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 29 12:41:32 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:41:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <429A1AEC.8070008@scrtc.com> If I could work it in my schedule, I'd be in. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Tod Engine wrote: >I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. > >The workshop would be for the better part of one day, and would start with making a sand mold from a pattern, either something brought in or supplied by us. Then we would charge and fire our cupola furnace and pour the molds that were previously made, and end the day with shaking out he molds and taking home the castings that the participants poured. > >Most people never have the opportunity to witness molten metal, and even fewer have worked with it. Through this I workshop would like to give people the opportunity to do something that they may not have the chance to do or see anywhere else, and also teach some of the principles of ironcasting in the process. > >Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. > >If there is sufficient interest we would probably start offering this next year. > >So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown to pour your own castings? > >Thanks > >Rick Rowlands >Executive Director >Tod Engine Heritage Park >William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >Youngstown, OH >http://www.todengine.org/ >Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun May 29 19:09:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:09:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> >So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of >interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown >to pour your own castings? >Thanks >Rick Rowlands For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar amount please count me OUT! Dave PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 29 20:09:16 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:09:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] First Time Participant At Engine Show Message-ID: Finally, I participated in my first engine show. One of the members of the EDGE & TA Branch 27 encouraged me to show a couple of my Maytags at Cayucos this week end. Now, I understand the frustration of displaying engines. The Model 72 twin ran like a dream. However, the Model 92 single ran very well for a while. Then, it stopped and I wasn't able to get it started again. When I arrived home, I tried the single again and it started. I was able to stop and start it several times without any problem (I didn't have to threaten it with an axe). Nevertheless, I have the bug to show the engines again. I am hoping to attend the engine meet in Santa Ynez on June 11. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From christison at coastalnet.com Sun May 29 19:54:30 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! Message-ID: <410-22005513025430859@coastalnet.com> Dave, I don't believe you read all of Rick's post. His suggested price was clear to me. Have a nice day. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 5/29/2005 10:38:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! > > > >So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of > >interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown > >to pour your own castings? > >Thanks > >Rick Rowlands > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price is > closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar amount > please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 29 20:10:36 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:10:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <429A842C.8020401@scrtc.com> No sucker here Dave (although I've been called something that rhymes with it). I've cut and pasted the wording as it appeared in Rick's email: Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would >> be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to >> Youngstown to pour your own castings? >> Thanks >> Rick Rowlands > > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your > price is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some > dollar amount please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 29 20:53:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:53:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: > The rings fit very nicely in the ring groove and although I haven't > measured it, the gap looks pretty good as well, especially since the > rings have overlapping ends. The biggest problem with worn ring grooves is that they wear so the sides of the grooves are no longer parallel. They tend to wear so that the outer parts of the grooves flare. The inner part of the groove may still fit tightly when the ring's pushed down into the groove, but perhaps as the piston comes up into the looser upper part of the bore the rings can expand just enough to let them get out into that flared section and tip or twist, allowing blowby. One possible fix is machining new, wider grooves and fitting wider rings. Tommy's suggested fix of flame spraying the piston and turning it down to size would of course allow machining proper ring grooves. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 29 20:47:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] babbitt melting pot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c18996ca34240340aa83c7631010e9a@chartertn.net> For melting bulk scrap lead to make ingots, I use a gas-fired turkey fryer with a cast iron pot (which came with the fryer.) It would work just as well for large babbitt jobs. A smaller pot would be preferable for babbitting smaller engines. Bullet casting ladles would work well for the dipping and pouring part with the smaller ones. John On May 28, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Neat little melting pot here with other bells and whistles: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7517659519 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 29 20:17:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:17:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <429A85BD.4010000@earthlink.net> I think his dollar figure was $200. Jeff Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would >> be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to >> Youngstown to pour your own castings? >> Thanks >> Rick Rowlands > > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your > price is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some > dollar amount please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 29 20:52:37 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:52:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: > Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 > and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would > like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. Hey, I'm glad to hear they're finally doing something with the Sloss Furnace! I remember from my childhood when it was a going concern, but it got shut down by EPA regulations in the late '60s or so. When I was in med school in Birmingham in the '70s it was just rusting away, with some talk of making it a museum. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plb at iinet.net.au Sun May 29 23:06:51 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:06:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <013601c564dd$c68e9430$0501010a@Portable> "Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs." I know its still the weekend up there Dave but you can you do better than that? Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price > is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar > amount please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 30 04:32:39 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 7:32:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! Message-ID: <43vtna$sm43d2@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price is > closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar amount > please count me OUT! > Dave My guess is he's expecting $200 for a weekend since that's what he said in his post. That wouldn't stop me, the 1000 mile trip probably would. J.B. Castagnos From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 30 06:15:14 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:15:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> Yes Sloss furnaces is now a city park! They opened up in 1988 or so. I visited in 1993 and was given the grand tour, including to the tops of both furnaces. There are six vertical blowing engines in their blowing engine house that are magnificent. Actually one of the CDs that I sell is full of the photos that I took there in 93. A couple hundred or so. As for Dave if he didn't see the price listed in my original post then he certainly didn't read the very fine print that stated that original Wrecking Crew members would not be charged for the ironcasting workshop. :-)) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! >> Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and >> we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to >> take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. > > Hey, I'm glad to hear they're finally doing something with the Sloss > Furnace! I remember from my childhood when it was a going concern, but it > got shut down by EPA regulations in the late '60s or so. When I was in med > school in Birmingham in the '70s it was just rusting away, with some talk > of making it a museum. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon May 30 07:35:28 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:35:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <69ffb35f02459bb63908254832d77e38@chartertn.net> > Yes Sloss furnaces is now a city park! They opened up in 1988 or so. > I visited in 1993 and was given the grand tour, including to the tops > of both furnaces. There are six vertical blowing engines in their > blowing engine house that are magnificent. Actually one of the CDs > that I sell is full of the photos that I took there in 93. A couple > hundred or so. Boy, I'm glad to hear they got it done! I've added that to my long list of things I want to see someday. (Maybe when/if I retire!) :-) It was awesome to see those big furnaces fired up at night! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 30 08:06:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <429A842C.8020401@scrtc.com> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> <429A842C.8020401@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110558.0463c9c8@mail.alltel.net> At 11:10 PM 5/29/2005, you wrote: >No sucker here Dave (although I've been called something that rhymes with >it). I've cut and pasted the wording as it appeared in Rick's email: > >Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we >would charge the same for a nearly identical class > >Tommy Turner That sounds like a fair price to me! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 30 08:09:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:09:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> >As for Dave if he didn't see the price listed in my original post then he >certainly didn't read the very fine print that stated that original >Wrecking Crew members would not be charged for the ironcasting workshop. :-)) > >Rick NO, I totally missed it Rick. My Bad! I would think, however, that since it is going for a good cause that everyone shoukd pay something! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 30 08:21:15 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:21:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year In-Reply-To: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <1117466475.429b2f6be5bd3@webmail.city-net.com> Bloody hell!! That's slickern' snot on a doorknob!! 8-)) I think it took me more than an hour to load two small engines on the trailer for the show at Chickentown this weekend. WELL DONE JIM!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim French : > Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. > >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up > and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands > :-)))))))) > Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 30 11:12:50 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:12:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Sattley Buzz Saw Rig Message-ID: <1117476770.429b57a28beb8@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I just posted an ad on Harry's page for a friend that has this outfit for sale. I saw it running at Chickentown this weekend. Sweet runner and ready to go. Have a look... http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/30464 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 30 14:13:24 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:13:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <010801c5655e$36af0c60$39ecf504@x8h7l9> Rick, You could put me on your list of potentially interested. I don't need a casting at present but making them is something I always wanted to do. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "Steam-engine mailing list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. The workshop would be for the better part of one day, and would start with making a sand mold from a pattern, either something brought in or supplied by us. Then we would charge and fire our cupola furnace and pour the molds that were previously made, and end the day with shaking out he molds and taking home the castings that the participants poured. Most people never have the opportunity to witness molten metal, and even fewer have worked with it. Through this I workshop would like to give people the opportunity to do something that they may not have the chance to do or see anywhere else, and also teach some of the principles of ironcasting in the process. Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. If there is sufficient interest we would probably start offering this next year. So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown to pour your own castings? Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 30 14:17:46 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:17:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <010901c5655e$3702f8c0$39ecf504@x8h7l9> There is an old forge in the next town. I haven't paid much attention to it except to notice the motor for the conveyer which moves the coal up to a hopper. It has to be smaller than what you are talking about here. If anybody was interested, I could take a few pictures. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! > > Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 > > and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would > > like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. > > Hey, I'm glad to hear they're finally doing something with the Sloss > Furnace! I remember from my childhood when it was a going concern, but > it got shut down by EPA regulations in the late '60s or so. When I was > in med school in Birmingham in the '70s it was just rusting away, with > some talk of making it a museum. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 30 14:38:35 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:38:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Australian help wanted Message-ID: <000a01c56560$066deba0$049ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Dave & Graham, Thanks for the encouraging responce for help pictures of the engine that I own were published in The Stationary Magazine in the march 2003 copy on page 5. The engine is in storage and not easy to get at to photograph at the moment, and I can't lay my hands on the other photos I have. Thanks in the meantime, Craig in Scotland From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon May 30 14:53:34 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:53:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <010901c5655e$3702f8c0$39ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <010901c5655e$3702f8c0$39ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <16c86abfdca243534c629cbde7fd988b@chartertn.net> Might be a cupola furnace. The Sloss Furnace was a huge operation, with big blast furnaces making iron from locally produced iron ore, coal and limestone. Birmingham used to be a big iron and steel producer, sometimes called "The Pittsburgh of the South." John On May 30, 2005, at 5:17 PM, ED wrote: > There is an old forge in the next town. I haven't paid much attention > to it > except to notice the motor for the conveyer which moves the coal up to > a > hopper. It has to be smaller than what you are talking about here. If > anybody was interested, I could take a few pictures. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 30 18:17:03 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:17:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy><003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <006a01c5657e$742b5a10$a65bef18@pengy> I've never turned away contributions! However if it weren't for the wrecking crew the Tod would have been recycled into seamless pipe so I'm still indebted to you all. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! > >>As for Dave if he didn't see the price listed in my original post then he >>certainly didn't read the very fine print that stated that original >>Wrecking Crew members would not be charged for the ironcasting workshop. >>:-)) >> >>Rick > > NO, I totally missed it Rick. My Bad! I would think, however, that since > it is going for a good cause that everyone shoukd pay something! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue May 31 04:36:36 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:36:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Notices Message-ID: <003201c565d5$1c1f9b40$a4e3f504@x8h7l9> I plan to do some traveling soon and am alert for Antique Engine / Tractor Shows along the way. In GEM, I notice a show June 3-5 in Indiana somewhere but they don't say where the show is and don't give a web site for more information. Has anybody heard of the Hendricks County Antique Tractor and Machinery Assn. This has happened several times to me. Folks work hard to put on these shows but need someone from out of state to proof the adds. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue May 31 05:39:14 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:39:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4298E16B.CEA967A1@insulate.co.uk> References: <4298E16B.CEA967A1@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <47451.199.62.0.252.1117543154.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31776538 i was given these 2 engines on Sunday. no marks or casting #'s. 10" flywheel with fan spokes and an oiler port for the piston. the one with the mixer has a bronze casting for the crankcase cover/outer support, vertical mag mount, flyball governor, copper gas tank, internal cam gear for exhaust pushrod. the crank turns 2.5 rev to 1 on the large gear. the small pully has an inner groove with a hook for a starting rope. the partial engine has a cast iron horizontal mag mount, etc. both base castings have the same 3 bolt mounting pattern for something. i'm wondering if this was used as a forge blower engine running the fan belt on the flywheel perimeter? thanks, marv From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 06:06:44 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 06:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Notices In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050531130644.42817.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, The Centerhall, PA show is this comming weekend. Pretty good one. Ron ED wrote: I plan to do some traveling soon and am alert for Antique Engine / Tractor Shows along the way. In GEM, I notice a show June 3-5 in Indiana somewhere but they don't say where the show is and don't give a web site for more information. Has anybody heard of the Hendricks County Antique Tractor and Machinery Assn. This has happened several times to me. Folks work hard to put on these shows but need someone from out of state to proof the adds. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue May 31 07:01:57 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Marv Looks like a Standard Cream Separator Engine. Here are a few pics on one... http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/RockRiver2001/Engine35.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/RockRiver2001/Engine37.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/RockRiver2001/Engine38.jpg (you might have to check the link for wrapping. there are other pictures on the net of Standard Cream Separator Engines...) Steve --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31776538 i was given these 2 engines on Sunday. no marks or casting #'s. 10" flywheel with fan spokes and an oiler port for the piston. the one with the mixer has a bronze casting for the crankcase cover/outer support, vertical mag mount, flyball governor, copper gas tank, internal cam gear for exhaust pushrod. the crank turns 2.5 rev to 1 on the large gear. the small pully has an inner groove with a hook for a starting rope. the partial engine has a cast iron horizontal mag mount, etc. both base castings have the same 3 bolt mounting pattern for something. i'm wondering if this was used as a forge blower engine running the fan belt on the flywheel perimeter? thanks, marv From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue May 31 07:51:16 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:51:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator In-Reply-To: <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44151.199.62.0.252.1117551076.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Steve, that's what it is! now if i could only find a base and the seperator--- thanks, marv > Marv > > Looks like a Standard Cream Separator Engine. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 31 14:18:48 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:18:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions Message-ID: <9b.6099567d.2fce2eb8@aol.com> In a message dated 5/30/2005 8:59:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << Tommy's suggested fix of flame spraying the piston and turning it down to size would of course allow machining proper ring grooves. >> John, Do the shops flame spray the ring grooves too? It has been my experience and understanding that they spray the skirt only, and machine the ring grooves oversize as needed to clean them up and make oversize rings to fit. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 31 14:28:08 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:28:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator References: 6667 <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> <44151.199.62.0.252.1117551076.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <002e01c56627$a6a695a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Weld them up. Easy fabrication. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator > Steve, that's what it is! > > now if i could only find a base and the seperator--- > > thanks, marv From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue May 31 14:56:49 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:56:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <9b.6099567d.2fce2eb8@aol.com> References: <9b.6099567d.2fce2eb8@aol.com> Message-ID: > Do the shops flame spray the ring grooves too? It has been my > experience and > understanding that they spray the skirt only, and machine the ring > grooves > oversize as needed to clean them up and make oversize rings to fit. Hmmm, I expect you're right. Sorry about that. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue May 31 19:43:51 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:43:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <429C569E.7040203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <015701c56653$bebeef30$a65bef18@pengy> If anyone wants to schedule one of the ironcasting workshops for a Saturday in July, August or September please email me. You do not need to bring a pattern with you, I have a few things here that can be molded up such as bookends and 5" high letters and numbers so you can spell your name in iron or make new house numbers. Or if you have an item that you would like to cast please bring it. The workshop would start around 9 am and last the better part of the day. Probably meet somewhere for breakfast then head off to the site. We would start out with an overview of greensand molding, make the molds and discuss the theory behind the operation of a cupola furnace. After lunch we would weigh out the charges, start the cupola and pour the castings. Before the end of the day the casting would be removed from the molds and cooled off to take home with you. You should bring safety glasses, gloves and boots with you and a long sleeve shirt to be worn when pouring castings. The cost would be $200 per person or per family. I would like to keep the class size down to no more then three or four people at a time since more than that we just start tripping over each other! We would be doing this at the Tod Engine Heritage Park so you'll be able to see the Tod Engine while you're there. All proceeds beyond cost of materials will go toward preserving the Tod Engine and expanding the foundry at the heritage park. Email me at rick at todengine.org if you wish to schedule a date. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue May 31 20:21:48 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running Message-ID: <000701c56659$0e7c8050$7686a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all; Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see the engine pics at this link http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk Thanks Rex From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 1 02:31:45 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 19:31:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 'Small' engine progress Message-ID: <200505010931.j419VVxQ064367@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> A little bit of progress on the 'J.D. Small' engine today. I took it out to a mates place where I carefully unbolted the engine from its board and mounted it on a higher block of wood. It was then belted to an electric motor to bed everything in. One of the bearings was running a little hot so with a bit of shimming it was soon fine. After about 1/2 an hour on the belt the engine was warm and it now has excellent compression. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/small/05050103.JPG We rigged up a temporary fuel system and added an extra tap to allow the adjustment of the gas/air mixture. We could not find a regulator to suit the LPG bottles we had so we set up a line to allow a straight feed of gas. I heated up the hot-tube to a nice cherry red but we could do no better than a single pop :( Without a regulator there is simply too much gas pressure even with the tap almost fully of. I will get regulator during the week and we will try again. As a consolation to not getting the Small running we fired up my mate's 8hp Mogul portable which had not been started since December 2003 (it runs sweet) and his 8hp Star. The little engine is nice but you cannot beat the big ones :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Germoamer at aol.com Sun May 1 05:48:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:48:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] 'Small' engine progress Message-ID: <1ef.3b0c4e01.2fa62a12@aol.com> In a message dated 5/1/2005 6:51:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << A little bit of progress on the 'J.D. Small' engine today. >> Neat J.D.Small engine Patrick! Thanks for showing it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 1 06:26:48 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:26:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines for sale Message-ID: <200505011326.j41DQXns028120@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> A mate of mine has three nice engines for sale (for those in Oz or even for someone really keen overseas). He has two Hornsby Oil engines on original transports and a 6hp Austral portable (magneto start). The Hornsbys are complete (one is running) and the Austral is restored. Contact me off list for photos and contact info. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun May 1 08:34:43 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 10:34:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: References: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <4274F713.1080908@wightman.ca> Thanks John! :-) Dunc John Culp wrote: >> I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. >> Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) > > > Oh, that's not a big thing. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 1 12:07:15 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:07:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: <4274F713.1080908@wightman.ca> References: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> <4274F713.1080908@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Anytime, Dunc! :-) John On May 1, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Duncan Denman wrote: > Thanks John! :-) > > Dunc > > John Culp wrote: > >>> I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. >>> Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) >> >> >> Oh, that's not a big thing. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From ivancou at alltel.net Sun May 1 12:47:24 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:47:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> <000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a tapered pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its tight . Thanks ,Ivan From bboyce at swat.coop Sun May 1 13:31:08 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:31:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk><000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001001c54e8c$b4edf9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> ivan, are you sure its a through pin ? the rope pulleys on all my wisconsins are threaded onto the crank, right hand threads,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas >I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a > parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a > tapered > pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no > avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its > tight . Thanks ,Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ivancou at alltel.net Sun May 1 15:21:58 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:21:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk><000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <001001c54e8c$b4edf9d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <003f01c54e9c$30eb0320$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Bill , I think it is . I dont see any slot or indentations in the end to make me beleive that its a setscrew . I've used a big wrench already to try to turn it ,including a couple taps to try to jar it ,nothing . Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wisconsin help > ivan, are you sure its a through pin ? the rope pulleys on all my wisconsins > are threaded onto the crank, right hand threads,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > > >I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a > > parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a > > tapered > > pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no > > avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its > > tight . Thanks ,Ivan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 1 15:38:36 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:38:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. Message-ID: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up was easy . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down the spark plug hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling the barrel off and examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out with the hone ................... Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 1 16:36:42 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 19:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't hugely enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing itself isn't a problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the oil-holding capacity of the cylinder wall and can cause problems with ring and piston lubrication. A much bigger problem is if your bore is worn till it's not round. The rings may have worn and turned as the bore wore so they sealed fairly well in it, but new rings won't. They'll bridge between high points across out-of round sections and you'll get tremendous blowby. On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no preferred orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time running in the engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way when you later pull the piston as when you put it in. (That's why orienting them in specific ways isn't critical.) Often you find the gaps all lined up on one side of the piston. That means the bore has worn to an egg shape, with the gaps lined up on the pointy side of the egg. That bore will have to be rebored. John On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short > cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i > made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. > When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up > was easy . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first > thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down > the spark plug hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the > problem . Pulling the barrel off and examining the bore showed > considerable glazing ,there was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of > the breather. So now it out with the hone ................... John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun May 1 18:35:57 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:35:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net><4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk><000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002b01c54e86$98d97720$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <024601c54eb7$4b10efb0$63017643@D6R3D961> UHHHHHHH it unscrews counter clockwise leave the pin alone Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "ivan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin help >I need to replace the starter pully on a wisconsin AEH . I have one on a > parts engine , but cant get the pin out . Whats the trick ? Is it a > tapered > pin ? I've shot it with PB Blaster, pounded on it with a pin punch to no > avail . I dont want to get out the bfh and risk bending the crank ,but its > tight . Thanks ,Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 1 20:17:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 21:17:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? Message-ID: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> Hi all, Damn neat engine in OZ. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? Jeff Allen From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon May 2 00:07:23 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:07:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? References: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003001c54ee5$98c5bbe0$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Jeff those old lister like that would bring about $500 AU you maybe lucky to get it a bit cheaper its Not a very rare Engine out here i hope that helps Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? > Hi all, > > Damn neat engine in OZ. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From peter at loud-n-clear.net Mon May 2 00:33:39 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:33:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? In-Reply-To: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> References: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: In message <42759BD0.9000901 at earthlink.net>, Jeff Allen writes >Damn neat engine in OZ. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspag >ename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >gename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1> > > >Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? > I paid 130 GBP for one in the UK not long ago, not such nice condition and no trolley, so I'd guess at 200 - 250 GBP, or 400 - 500 USD. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 2 00:36:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:36:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? References: <42759BD0.9000901@earthlink.net> <003001c54ee5$98c5bbe0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <003201c54ee9$bb717a90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A fair evaluation Brock. They were among the most common engines to be found on the farms and sheep propeties. There is one not far from me still doing its daily chore of chaff cutting. (That was where my Big Chief came from as this is the engine I give a check over now and then.) Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] What's it worth? > G,day Jeff > those old lister like that would bring about $500 AU you maybe lucky to > get it a bit cheaper > its Not a very rare Engine out here i hope that helps > Brock > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "Oldengine list" ; "The SEL email > discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:17 PM > Subject: [SEL] What's it worth? > > >> Hi all, >> >> Damn neat engine in OZ. >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512422333&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> >> >> >> Shipping would kill the deal for me. Any thoughts on value? >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon May 2 04:37:58 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:37:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> In this case John, removing the glaze has done it ,top compression and no blow back out of the breather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings and bores. >I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't hugely >enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing itself isn't a >problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the oil-holding capacity of >the cylinder wall and can cause problems with ring and piston lubrication. >A much bigger problem is if your bore is worn till it's not round. The >rings may have worn and turned as the bore wore so they sealed fairly well >in it, but new rings won't. They'll bridge between high points across >out-of round sections and you'll get tremendous blowby. > > On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a > perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no preferred > orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time running in the > engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way when you later pull > the piston as when you put it in. (That's why orienting them in specific > ways isn't critical.) Often you find the gaps all lined up on one side of > the piston. That means the bore has worn to an egg shape, with the gaps > lined up on the pointy side of the egg. That bore will have to be rebored. > > John > > On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i made >> some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. When >> reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up was easy >> . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first thoughts it was >> the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down the spark plug >> hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling >> the barrel off and examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there >> was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out >> with the hone ................... > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 2 05:15:20 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 05:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <3594.165.206.180.144.1115036120.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Rings need to "Wear in" and with a glaze, there is nothing to cause the rings, or the cylinder to "wear to match". The cross-hatching also actually holds oil causing an even better seal and REDUCING friction. If this were a car, there are different types of honing to match different ring constructions. There are measurements for the "roughness", actually scopes to measure it. In your case, simply "deglaze" it, make sure it's as round as you can get it, taper is nill and you'll be fine. Bill > In this case John, removing the glaze has done it ,top compression and no > blow back out of the breather. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Culp" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings and bores. > > >>I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't >> hugely >>enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing itself isn't a >>problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the oil-holding capacity >> of >>the cylinder wall and can cause problems with ring and piston >> lubrication. >>A much bigger problem is if your bore is worn till it's not round. The >>rings may have worn and turned as the bore wore so they sealed fairly >> well >>in it, but new rings won't. They'll bridge between high points across >>out-of round sections and you'll get tremendous blowby. >> >> On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a >> perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no preferred >> orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time running in the >> engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way when you later >> pull >> the piston as when you put it in. (That's why orienting them in specific >> ways isn't critical.) Often you find the gaps all lined up on one side >> of >> the piston. That means the bore has worn to an egg shape, with the gaps >> lined up on the pointy side of the egg. That bore will have to be >> rebored. >> >> John >> >> On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >>> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i >>> made >>> some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the bore. When >>> reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and start up was >>> easy >>> . After an hours run absolutely no compression...first thoughts it was >>> the valves . I did the usual and shot some oil down the spark plug >>> hole....compression !That eliminated the valves as the problem . >>> Pulling >>> the barrel off and examining the bore showed considerable glazing >>> ,there >>> was evidence of blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out >>> with the hone ................... >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sun May 1 20:41:06 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 23:41:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> Hi: I'm a newbie to the list,and will ask a question that's probably been asked many times before. Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? John Culp wrote: > I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't > hugely enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing > itself isn't a problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the > oil-holding capacity of the cylinder wall and can cause problems with > ring and piston lubrication. A much bigger problem is if your bore is > worn till it's not round. The rings may have worn and turned as the > bore wore so they sealed fairly well in it, but new rings won't. > They'll bridge between high points across out-of round sections and > you'll get tremendous blowby. > > On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a > perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no > preferred orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time > running in the engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way > when you later pull the piston as when you put it in. (That's why > orienting them in specific ways isn't critical.) Often you find the > gaps all lined up on one side of the piston. That means the bore has > worn to an egg shape, with the gaps lined up on the pointy side of the > egg. That bore will have to be rebored. > > John > > On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i >> made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the >> bore. When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and >> start up was easy . After an hours run absolutely no >> compression...first thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and >> shot some oil down the spark plug hole....compression !That >> eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling the barrel off and >> examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there was evidence of >> blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out with the hone >> ................... > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 2 07:36:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 07:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4215.165.206.180.144.1115044598.squirrel@antique-engines.com> A. They are so not needed in a typical gasoline engine (unless you seek ultra-high performance) B. I've heard some racers complain of gasses building up between the rings and causing ring flutter and problems. C. Some I've talked to who have tried them say they would not again. D. See the truth on ring gap explained here: http://kb-silvolite.com/feature.php?action=read&F_id=40 (My soon-to-be high-performance car engine will use KB hyper 28cc step dish pistons on full-floating pins and a balanced crank assembly) On a stationary, small or industrial engine or a street or street/strip car, none of us could come up with a need for them, especially when there were some issues with them. Bill > Hi: I'm a newbie to the list,and will ask a question that's probably > been asked many times before. > > Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? > > John Culp wrote: > >> I dunno, I've put new rings in totally glazed old bores that weren't >> hugely enlarged or out of round and had good results. The glazing >> itself isn't a problem with gas sealing so much as it reduces the >> oil-holding capacity of the cylinder wall and can cause problems with >> ring and piston lubrication. A much bigger problem is if your bore is >> worn till it's not round. The rings may have worn and turned as the >> bore wore so they sealed fairly well in it, but new rings won't. >> They'll bridge between high points across out-of round sections and >> you'll get tremendous blowby. >> >> On pulling a piston out, I always look where the ring gaps are. In a >> perfectly round bore with free rings (not pinned), there is no >> preferred orientation and the rings will rotate randomly over time >> running in the engine. The gaps won't be found oriented the same way >> when you later pull the piston as when you put it in. (That's why >> orienting them in specific ways isn't critical.) Often you find the >> gaps all lined up on one side of the piston. That means the bore has >> worn to an egg shape, with the gaps lined up on the pointy side of the >> egg. That bore will have to be rebored. >> >> John >> >> On May 1, 2005, at 6:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> I just rebuilt a small single cylinder ,four cycle engine. .....short >>> cuts ,don't take them ! Because i could not readily buy new rings i >>> made some ,no problem there but i did not take the glaze off the >>> bore. When reassembled there seemed to be lots of compression and >>> start up was easy . After an hours run absolutely no >>> compression...first thoughts it was the valves . I did the usual and >>> shot some oil down the spark plug hole....compression !That >>> eliminated the valves as the problem . Pulling the barrel off and >>> examining the bore showed considerable glazing ,there was evidence of >>> blow by ,oil coming out of the breather. So now it out with the hone >>> ................... >> >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon May 2 08:03:58 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 08:03:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. Thanks in advance. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 2 08:30:37 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I think John Burns uses Schedule 80 stainless steel pipe and tig welds a small piece of stainless rod in the end to close it off. I think nickel or monel tubing might have been used in the early days before stainless steel. I've also included the OFES on this reply as they would also have a lot of experience on this topic. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 2 May 2005, Steve Gray wrote: > OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some > of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat > question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used for > hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil engine > I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. Easily made, > but would like to come up with the proper material. My feeble brain cell > SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. From falcon at telenet.net Mon May 2 08:31:40 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:31:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Help: Looking for a new Dog Toy OT Message-ID: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> Most folks who own a pet will understand this request. Well maybe they will .. Our Welsh Corgi (Buster) has become VERY attached to a certain squeaky dog toy. The problem is that my wife and I can no longer find this toy in any of the stores we found it in before. We had bought three of them and the last one is getting pretty bad (vinyl/rubber gets cracked and torn at the bases, the rest of the toy is fine) So I am asking for help. I figure there are a LOT of folks who visit stores on the list and maybe somebody has seen or will see this toy. They were in two different all for a dollar type stores near here but they no longer have them, I asked if they could still order them and was told they couldn't since they just ordered assortments. So folks if you get a chance and happen to wander through the pet toys could you keep an eye out for a couple of these vinyl/rubber dinosaurs? If you see them and have some spare change we would reimburse you for the time/cost/shipping. Just drop me an E-Mail. http://snipurl.com/em26 Should take you to some pictures of the toy and the owner who loves it so much. Thanks a Lot for any help. Buster says Woof !! as well. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown, New York From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 2 08:39:10 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:39:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] NAMES Expo 2005 Pictures Message-ID: For your viewing pleasure. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names05/names05.html Lighting isn't the greatest for taking pictures in that place. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 2 08:50:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605050208504e3e498@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/05, Steve Gray wrote: > OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some > of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat > question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used for > hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil engine > I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. Easily made, > but would like to come up with the proper material. My feeble brain cell > SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. > Thanks in advance. > > - Steve One of the nickel-chrome steels perhaps? Inconel is one, thought a real pain to machine, but there are others such as the stainless steel varieties. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 2 08:57:43 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:57:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> Message-ID: <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> Steve, Inconel 718 might be the alloy you are thinking of. It is a nickel alloy well suited for hot work. I use it for some of the hot rolling mills in our foundry. Unless you are up for a sadistic machining experience you might just try to buy one already made. It is absolutely miserable stuff to machine as it work hardens as you turn it/drill it. It is also 8x as expensive as H13. You'll probably be able to buy several finished hot tubes for what you could buy the tooling for. We also use H13 which is a very good hot work tool steel. While not easy to machine either, it is far easier than Inconel. Perhaps the OFES guys can say if they have luck using H13 for hot tubes..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Gray wrote: > OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some > of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat > question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used > for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil > engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. > Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My > feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. > Thanks in advance. > > - Steve > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon May 2 10:16:52 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:16:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200505021716.j42HGtk6045296@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? If by "Gapless" you mean the trademarked name for the rings manufactured by Total Seal, then no. If we're talking about a generic term for rings without a straight-through gap, then yes. I had some rings made up with notched, interlocking ends, like a ship-lap board. I've also used two rings per groove, with the gaps offset. The "gapless" rings performed as expected. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 2 10:30:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Looking for a new Dog - OT In-Reply-To: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> References: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve, It might be easier to replace the dog instead. May I suggest a Maine Coon cat? http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html Just turn 'em loose in the back yard and he'll catch his own squeaky toy. Might even catch a small dog to use as a squeaky dog toy. 8-)) Hope that helps... See ya, Arnie On Mon, 2 May 2005, Steve W. wrote: > Our Welsh Corgi (Buster) has become VERY attached to a certain squeaky > dog toy. The problem is that my wife and I can no longer find this toy > in any of the stores we found it in before. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 2 11:39:04 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <200505021716.j42HGtk6045296@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <4275A152.8090606@comcast.net> <200505021716.j42HGtk6045296@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <1550.165.206.180.144.1115059144.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >I've also used two rings per groove, with the gaps offset< I've seen and used sets sold that way. Bill > >> Anyone have good results with "Gapless" rings? > > If by "Gapless" you mean the trademarked name for the rings manufactured > by > Total Seal, then no. If we're talking about a generic term for rings > without a > straight-through gap, then yes. > > I had some rings made up with notched, interlocking ends, like a ship-lap > board. > I've also used two rings per groove, with the gaps offset. The "gapless" > rings > performed as expected. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From segray at mlode.com Mon May 2 12:56:15 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:56:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <427685DF.6060904@mlode.com> Hi Arnie, Luke, Peter & Curt - I kind of suspected that a good grade of stainless might be involved. Having spent the last 4 years of my employment machining Inconel, Nitronic, Monel and various grades of stainless, I feel everyone's past experiences with machining the stuff! (Sadistic is an accurate description, Curt!!) I may even have a chunk of Nitronic kicking around in the material bin, but whatever the case, thinking about it, I agree something along those lines should suffice well. I doubt it would have to be too awfully thick to do the job. It just needs to be a short stub to act as a glow plug for starting this monster. Now you guys got me to thinking....! Thanks, Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Curt wrote: > Steve, > Inconel 718 might be the alloy you are thinking of. It is a nickel > alloy well suited for hot work. I use it for some of the hot rolling > mills in our foundry. Unless you are up for a sadistic machining > experience you might just try to buy one already made. It is > absolutely miserable stuff to machine as it work hardens as you turn > it/drill it. It is also 8x as expensive as H13. You'll probably be > able to buy several finished hot tubes for what you could buy the > tooling for. > We also use H13 which is a very good hot work tool steel. While not > easy to machine either, it is far easier than Inconel. > Perhaps the OFES guys can say if they have luck using H13 for hot > tubes..... > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Steve Gray wrote: > >> OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some >> of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat >> question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used >> for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil >> engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. >> Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My >> feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> - Steve >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 2 13:26:29 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:26:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <427685DF.6060904@mlode.com> References: <4276415E.10409@mlode.com> <42764DF7.8050900@imc-group.com> <427685DF.6060904@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505021326566c71c0@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/05, Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Arnie, Luke, Peter & Curt - > > I kind of suspected that a good grade of stainless might be involved. > Having spent the last 4 years of my employment machining Inconel, > Nitronic, Monel and various grades of stainless, I feel everyone's past > experiences with machining the stuff! (Sadistic is an accurate > description, Curt!!) I may even have a chunk of Nitronic kicking around > in the material bin, but whatever the case, thinking about it, I agree > something along those lines should suffice well. I doubt it would have > to be too awfully thick to do the job. It just needs to be a short stub > to act as a glow plug for starting this monster. Now you guys got me to > thinking....! > > Thanks, > > Steve With modern tipped tooling it isn't too bad a job. We used to have carbon jaws made for our arc lights at the film & TV lighting Co that I worked for, out of inconel, and they was a very expensive pair of jaws! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon May 2 14:42:45 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:42:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] piston rings and bores. In-Reply-To: <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000901c54e9e$8788dca0$609581cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4827c0625ca2895eb41e8437a450a543@chartertn.net> <000d01c54f0b$697113a0$369881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Great! John On May 2, 2005, at 7:37 AM, peter ogborne wrote: > In this case John, removing the glaze has done it ,top compression and > no blow back out of the breather. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon May 2 15:05:32 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:05:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <006b01c54f63$12c53d80$fe680b42@computer> Steve, Oddly the tube does not act like a glow plug but rather acts as a small ignition chamber as the gas/air mixture is driven into it by the piston. The length of the hot tube determines the timeing of the engine so you may not want to use a "short stub" of a tube. The tubes we use on a Pattin, a Reid and a Bessemer vary from 5" to 6" in length and some of them we use are stainless tubing with a screwed on stainless cap; items that should be easily purchased. Ours are from a local steel mill which uses these items in their coke batteries and continuous casters. They work very well. George -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gray To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material >Hi Arnie, Luke, Peter & Curt - > > I kind of suspected that a good grade of stainless might be involved. >Having spent the last 4 years of my employment machining Inconel, >Nitronic, Monel and various grades of stainless, I feel everyone's past >experiences with machining the stuff! (Sadistic is an accurate >description, Curt!!) I may even have a chunk of Nitronic kicking around >in the material bin, but whatever the case, thinking about it, I agree >something along those lines should suffice well. I doubt it would have >to be too awfully thick to do the job. It just needs to be a short stub >to act as a glow plug for starting this monster. Now you guys got me to >thinking....! > >Thanks, > > Steve > >-- >Steve Gray >Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 >Sonora, California USA >e-mail: segray at mlode.com >Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > >Curt wrote: > >> Steve, >> Inconel 718 might be the alloy you are thinking of. It is a nickel >> alloy well suited for hot work. I use it for some of the hot rolling >> mills in our foundry. Unless you are up for a sadistic machining >> experience you might just try to buy one already made. It is >> absolutely miserable stuff to machine as it work hardens as you turn >> it/drill it. It is also 8x as expensive as H13. You'll probably be >> able to buy several finished hot tubes for what you could buy the >> tooling for. >> We also use H13 which is a very good hot work tool steel. While not >> easy to machine either, it is far easier than Inconel. >> Perhaps the OFES guys can say if they have luck using H13 for hot >> tubes..... >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> >> >> Steve Gray wrote: >> >>> OK, guys. I know this has been covered before and I've perused some >>> of the available list archives to no avail, so I'll ask a repeat >>> question. What's the general opinion about the type of material used >>> for hot tubes? I'm in the process of sanitizing the Fairbanks "Y" oil >>> engine I just bought and will be replacing the starting hot tube. >>> Easily made, but would like to come up with the proper material. My >>> feeble brain cell SEEMS to remember something about nickel being used. >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> - Steve >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 2 15:27:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050429183400.01ab4650@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <6.1.0.6.0.20050429183400.01ab4650@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050502182722.0d88f800@mail.alltel.net> Yes, the magnets on an EK can be recharged. Dave At 09:37 PM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >Jim i don't know if the magnets can be recharged or not. When i get one >that don't work right [wico] i just send them to Lee petterson in NY.Last >two i sent out had new magnets put in????????? Off the shelf swap or >rebuild around $200.00 >R Fink >PA > > > > > > >At 05:13 AM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >>Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts >>today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone >>know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop >>here and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick >>it up a week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. >> >>Any thoughts??? >> >>Jim >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon May 2 16:18:44 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:18:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <12a.5c86357e.2fa80f54@aol.com> Hi folks, The hot tube in a FM Y engine is quite a bit different than the tubes used in oil field engines. I have a 25 FM Y, and the tube isn't any more than about 2 1/2" long, and I think it's either 1/2" or 3/4" pipe thread, if my memory is working correctly. The tube is heated with a blow lamp, and after the engine is started the lamp is taken away. There should be enough heat in the combustion chamber to keep the engine running on kero. or diesel fuel without the use of the lamp. I'm not sure of the material the tube is made of, but it looks like a type of nickel or stainless steel. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon May 2 18:25:46 2005 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:25:46 GMT Subject: [SEL] IHC M Fuel Pump Message-ID: <20050502.182631.3784.60245@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Hi Guys, would someone tell me what size the check balls are and what position they go in the fuel pump? It has been awhile since I worked on one. Thanks, Joe Kelley PS: I have gasket material back in stock also. ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From falcon at telenet.net Mon May 2 19:28:37 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:28:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looking for a new Dog - OT References: <000501c54f2c$0a49ef20$455c14d0@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004c01c54f87$d0fc44a0$3a1117d1@net.telenet.net> Naa, I only have two uses for cats. Pet is not one of them. Buster does love to chase them though. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for a new Dog - OT > Hi Steve, > > It might be easier to replace the dog instead. May I suggest a Maine Coon > cat? http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html > > Just turn 'em loose in the back yard and he'll catch his own squeaky toy. > Might even catch a small dog to use as a squeaky dog toy. 8-)) > > Hope that helps... > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 2 May 2005, Steve W. wrote: > > > Our Welsh Corgi (Buster) has become VERY attached to a certain squeaky > > dog toy. The problem is that my wife and I can no longer find this toy > > in any of the stores we found it in before. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 2 19:41:57 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:41:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show Message-ID: <20050502.194158.1524.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air Force Base. I only got a few pictures before the battery died, I think this is an impressive first shot. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671957 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Bimjy at hotmail.com Mon May 2 19:54:13 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:54:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] hot tube material Message-ID: Iv'e had my oilfield (AC Thomas halfbreed) engine run for quite a spell after I turned the hot tube torch off! The day was hot & the engine water was near 210 degrees. I can well imagine had it been real hot and running under a good load that it might be enough heat there to continue running without torch being on! Any thoughts or similar experiences? Jim Hunter From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon May 2 22:04:14 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:04:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC M Fuel Pump References: <20050502.182631.3784.60245@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <000f01c54f9d$90c6e1e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Joe, there're 5/16 and 3/8 balls. The 1? hp has a 5/16 suction and 3/8 discharge. The 3 hp and 6 hp have both 3/8 balls. My best results are the stainless balls. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Hi Guys, would someone tell me what size the check balls are and what position they go in the fuel pump? It has been awhile since I worked on one. Thanks, Joe Kelley > PS: I have gasket material back in stock also. From segray at mlode.com Mon May 2 23:00:38 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:00:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <006b01c54f63$12c53d80$fe680b42@computer> References: <006b01c54f63$12c53d80$fe680b42@computer> Message-ID: <42771386.40208@mlode.com> Hi George - Dwight Vivas just beat me to the response on this. Dwight nailed it on the head as this hot tube is only used to start the engine, being heated by a blow torch only until the engine is running. The tube (pipe), Dwight, is 1/2". Mine is much shorter than it's supposed to be, nothing more than a close nipple with a pipe cap. The previous owner used to have occasional trouble getting the Y running, and I suspect with such a short pipe that he couldn't get it hot enough being that short and close to the head. Anyway, George, though not having a nice true hot tube ignition engine :-( , I'm sure the true hot tubes are longer than what I should have on this engine. My Y is also a 25 HP, Dwight. Serial number has it at 1919. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com George & Norma Armstrong wrote: >Steve, > Oddly the tube does not act like a glow plug but rather acts as a small >ignition chamber as the gas/air mixture is driven into it by the piston. >The length of the hot tube determines the timeing of the engine so you may >not want to use a "short stub" of a tube. The tubes we use on a Pattin, a >Reid and a Bessemer vary from 5" to 6" in length and some of them we use are >stainless tubing with a screwed on stainless cap; items that should be >easily purchased. Ours are from a local steel mill which uses these items >in their coke batteries and continuous casters. They work very well. >George >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Gray >To: The SEL email discussion list >Date: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:07 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 02:05:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:05:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations Message-ID: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> We have had a few requests recently from software security programmes asking us to confirm by clicking on a button on the email, that we are to be added to a recipient's approved email listing. The most recent was from Rob Skinner this morning: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ZoneAlarm Security Suite E-Mail Verification Thank you for sending me your email with the subject "Re: Quirindi Heritage Meeting Pictures". I really want to receive your email. In an effort to eliminate junk email, I am using ZoneAlarm Security Suite. ZoneAlarm Security Suite has placed your message on hold. Please click the button below so you will be added to my Allowed people list, I will receive your email, and we will be able to communicate freely going forward. Do not reply to this message. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do anything.... I'm sure there is a work-around for this, but at present I can't make it work! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 3 02:20:16 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:20:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show References: <20050502.194158.1524.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001501c54fc1$55832e30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Interesting show area Ron, a very good explanation for the tourists by K&R. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671966&f=0 John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hi all. > WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air > Force Base. I only got a few pictures before the battery died, I think > this is an impressive first shot. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671957 > &f=0 > > Ron Haskell From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 04:50:33 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:50:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover Engine Colour Message-ID: <200505031150.j43BoGs7001273@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> If anyone can help Grover with the correct colour for his Stover contact him at his address below. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW _____ From: Grover Fox,Jr [mailto:cfox25 at nu-z.net] Subject: Stover Engine I have a Stover engine I am trying to restore, I am interested in the color code for the paint. The plate states Stover Engine Works, Freeport, Ill USA Type U H.P. 8 Speed 300 No. E34798 It is very similar to the one in your picutures on the web site (looks like a U type and is painted some type of green. Someone here told me it was a Dupont color. If you have any information as to what color this engine was originally and where I can obtain please let me know. \ At some of the shows Ihave gone to some oldtimers say it should have been red, some say green, It was rusted when I got it and I now have it sandblasted and primed. I just need the correct color. Enjoy your site. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Grover Fox Lincolnton, GA USA From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 3 05:11:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:11:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sunday show Message-ID: <1a6.373ecb51.2fa8c459@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2005 11:05:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air Force Base. >> Ron, Looks like a great place to have a show and thanks for the pictures. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 05:35:31 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 22:35:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <20050502.194158.1524.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Nice pictures Ron, Is the B-29 airworthy? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all. WAPA was invited to display with the antique truck club at March Air Force Base. I only got a few pictures before the battery died, I think this is an impressive first shot. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=31743302&p=71671957 &f=0 Ron Haskell From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Tue May 3 05:43:27 2005 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:43:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <000c01c54fdd$b71c9e80$6b680b42@computer> Steve, Interesting. My input shows my lack of familiarity with the FM ignition system. Sounds like a nifty set-up. The tubes we use are also just stainless nipples that we cap. George -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gray To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material >Hi George - > > Dwight Vivas just beat me to the response on this. Dwight nailed it >on the head as this hot tube is only used to start the engine, being >heated by a blow torch only until the engine is running. The tube >(pipe), Dwight, is 1/2". Mine is much shorter than it's supposed to be, >nothing more than a close nipple with a pipe cap. The previous owner >used to have occasional trouble getting the Y running, and I suspect >with such a short pipe that he couldn't get it hot enough being that >short and close to the head. Anyway, George, though not having a nice >true hot tube ignition engine :-( , I'm sure the true hot tubes are >longer than what I should have on this engine. My Y is also a 25 HP, >Dwight. Serial number has it at 1919. > >- Steve > >-- >Steve Gray >Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 >Sonora, California USA >e-mail: segray at mlode.com >Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > >George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >>Steve, >> Oddly the tube does not act like a glow plug but rather acts as a small >>ignition chamber as the gas/air mixture is driven into it by the piston. >>The length of the hot tube determines the timeing of the engine so you may >>not want to use a "short stub" of a tube. The tubes we use on a Pattin, a >>Reid and a Bessemer vary from 5" to 6" in length and some of them we use are >>stainless tubing with a screwed on stainless cap; items that should be >>easily purchased. Ours are from a local steel mill which uses these items >>in their coke batteries and continuous casters. They work very well. >>George >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Steve Gray >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hot tube material >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue May 3 06:49:40 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:49:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I received one of these also from Rob's address. It appears to be coming from the oldengine.org list and not the SEL list. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================ >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:05:44 +0100 > >We have had a few requests recently from software security programmes >asking us to confirm by clicking on a button on the email, that we are >to be added to a recipient's approved email listing. The most recent >was from Rob Skinner this morning: > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >ZoneAlarm Security Suite E-Mail Verification >Thank you for sending me your email with the subject "Re: Quirindi >Heritage Meeting Pictures". I really want to receive your email. > >In an effort to eliminate junk email, I am using ZoneAlarm Security Suite. >ZoneAlarm Security Suite has placed your message on hold. > >Please click the button below so you will be added to my Allowed >people list, I will receive your email, and we will be able to >communicate freely going forward. > >Do not reply to this message. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail >server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do >anything.... > >I'm sure there is a work-around for this, but at present I can't make it >work! > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 07:04:16 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 07:04:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505031404.j43E4LZK032688@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail > server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do > anything.... Sorry mate, I'm dabbling with some new software, getting all the wrinkles ironed out. Please try again. Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 3 07:01:36 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:01:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show Message-ID: <20050503.100501.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Nice Pics, Ron. I was amazed by the flatness of the land. I'm used to setting up on a hillside. Thanks for sharing. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue May 3 08:25:27 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:25:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material Message-ID: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> Hi Steve, My 25hp Y is # 288219, according to to FM records, it was erected 12-6-17 and it was shipped to FM & Co. 36th St. Station - Bush Terminal Ry. Co. , Brooklyn, NY. on 1-24-18. It is a electric lighting engine and I have the generator it was belted to. I doubt that I'll ever get the generator going, it's a 2300 V. 15KW unit. The engine once powered a doctors estate, and part of the town of South Hill, Va. I need a bank of old transformers, but they're getting hard to find. :-( Dwight Matoaca, VA. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 09:05:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:05:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] One Flywheel or Two? Message-ID: <6f6025160505030905116d6ced@mail.gmail.com> Following on from a little discussion with Patrick and Arnie, I had it in my mind that 'most' horizontal open-crank engines were twin flywheel, but Arnie reckons that single-flywheel engines are more extant. In the UK it is (in my view) relatively rare to see a single-flywheel open-crank unless you get to specific makers, in which case Crossley for one and Ruston & Hornsby electric plant engines for another come to mind. Discuss please? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 09:20:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:20:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: <200505031404.j43E4LZK032688@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605050302055b28d6ff@mail.gmail.com> <200505031404.j43E4LZK032688@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505030920879672f@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > The only problem is that I didn't send the email to Rob, the SEL mail > > server did, and although I can click the button, it doesn't do > > anything.... > > Sorry mate, > I'm dabbling with some new software, getting all the wrinkles ironed out. > Please try again. > > Rob I did get around the problem as I mentioned in my email to you directly, so no hassle. We have spam filtering at Easynet for my 'diesel' email address and Gmail emails only go to individuals or the engine lists, so pretty safe there so far. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 09:48:00 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:48:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Email Confirmations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505031648.j43Gm3Ok072759@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I received one of these also from Rob's address. It appears > to be coming from the oldengine.org list and not the SEL list. Sorry mates, My hope was that the new software would work seamlessly with the mailing lists, but it apparently does not. It's now turned off, and I've gone back to the old way of doing things. Thanks for bringing to my attention my computer's rude behavior. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 09:53:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:53:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Nice pictures Ron, > Is the B-29 airworthy? Hi Patrick, That B-29 is not ready for the skies, although it is certainly in good enough condition to be adopted by an enthusiastic chap such as yourself. Google on "B-29 restoration" and you'll come up with some interesting projects. I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel 1905 Hornsby. Rob From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 10:19:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:19:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160505030905116d6ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505031719.j43HJTbh081214@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Discuss please? Hi Peter, The original discussion of a few weeks ago was regarding a 1905 Hornsby. I'd be interested in seeing some pictures of a dual-flywheel Hornsby Akroyd or 1905 model. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 3 10:43:51 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:43:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hot tube material In-Reply-To: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> References: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4277B857.8040500@scrtc.com> Dwight, I have a neighbor who has a 25 HP Y Electric lighting. I could have bought it at one time for $200 but passed as its a heck of a hunk of iron. Someone told me that they inquired about it last summer and he said he wanted $1000 for it. Just thought I would mention it in case anyone on the SEL had interest in a Y Electric lighting. Not many of them around. I'll be glad to send a name and address to the owner if anyone wants it or I can stop by and ask him about it. I see him 5 - 6 times a week. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Steve, > My 25hp Y is # 288219, according to to FM records, it was erected 12-6-17 >and it was shipped to FM & Co. 36th St. Station - Bush Terminal Ry. Co. , >Brooklyn, NY. >on 1-24-18. > It is a electric lighting engine and I have the generator it was belted to. >I doubt that I'll ever get the generator going, it's a 2300 V. 15KW unit. The >engine once powered a doctors estate, and part of the town of South Hill, Va. > I need a bank of old transformers, but they're getting hard to find. :-( > > Dwight > Matoaca, VA. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 11:58:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:58:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160505030905116d6ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Discuss please? > > Hi Peter, > The original discussion of a few weeks ago was regarding a 1905 Hornsby. I'd be > interested in seeing some pictures of a dual-flywheel Hornsby Akroyd or 1905 > model. > > Rob I have Ray Hooley's archive of original catalogues and descriptive leaflets with me, and there are examples of twin-flywheel Hornsby engines, the first I came across was the 'R' series oil engine of 1911 - 1925. The "Standard Specification for Horizontal Oil Engines" lists engines from 2 to 66hp and the brochure shows twin flywheels. The L and LE were both Hornsby engines albeit during the transitional period after R&H came into existance. The Class L engines ran from 1905 to 1912, but the Class is shown as starting much earlier, these dates are for the engine powers that tie up with the leaflet. My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin flywheels, on two sizes of engines. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 12:19:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:19:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Nice pictures Ron, > > Is the B-29 airworthy? > > Hi Patrick, > That B-29 is not ready for the skies, although it is certainly in good enough > condition to be adopted by an enthusiastic chap such as yourself. > > Google on "B-29 restoration" and you'll come up with some interesting projects. > I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel > 1905 Hornsby. > > Rob http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Hornsby1905Red.jpg Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Tue May 3 12:39:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:39:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts Message-ID: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> Alamo experts, I am working on reassembling the 5HP Alamo. Everything is together but I am stumped about the connection between the hole (9/16" dia) in the top of the latchout arm and the spindle coming out of the bottom of the flyball governor. There is a cross hole in the lower end of the governor spindle and a tapped hole for a screw in the side of the latchout arm. Is there simply a screw installed to connect the two? Since it is threaded on both sides of the latchout out arm, perhaps there is a thin tube/bushing over the screw? If anyone has a parts book that might show the parts of the latchout mechanism on a walking beam engine I could sure use a scan/copy/fax. I can take a couple of pictures if this will be useful. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From nick at holden1.net Mon May 2 05:31:06 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:31:06 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Mayday rally Message-ID: <42761D8A.000003.02460@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all had a nice day out at the Lambourn Country Show yesterday with my rebuilt and now running Fairbanks Morse Z headless the weather could not have been better 70f + all day some photos of the engines and my FM on webshots nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From segray at mlode.com Tue May 3 13:06:56 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:06:56 -0700 Subject: Was: [SEL] Hot tube material Now: FMC Y In-Reply-To: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> References: <1e0.3b86c249.2fa8f1e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4277D9E0.50209@mlode.com> Hi Dwight - It's not known what exactly this ol' gal did in her hay days, but all the working years were spent in an engine shed near the "Sweet Marie Mine" in Battle Mountain, Nevada (near I80, due south of the Oregon/Idaho border). I would suspect either pumping water from the mine or compressing air for it. The serial number of 419195 puts it around October of 1919. Allegedly, it was at the mine from day one and used until the early part of WWII. It has the lighter(??), non-electric flywheels with a 26" diameter clutch/pulley. Being inside all it's life, the engine is in fantastic shape and may never have been apart. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: >Hi Steve, > My 25hp Y is # 288219, according to to FM records, it was erected 12-6-17 >and it was shipped to FM & Co. 36th St. Station - Bush Terminal Ry. Co. , >Brooklyn, NY. >on 1-24-18. > It is a electric lighting engine and I have the generator it was belted to. >I doubt that I'll ever get the generator going, it's a 2300 V. 15KW unit. The >engine once powered a doctors estate, and part of the town of South Hill, Va. > I need a bank of old transformers, but they're getting hard to find. :-( > > Dwight > Matoaca, VA. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 3 13:24:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts In-Reply-To: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> References: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1370.165.206.180.144.1115151888.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I have a color Alamo catalog/brochure from the teens I could look at. That size is so different from the 2hp and 1.5 that I have, I can't really comment. Bill > Alamo experts, > I am working on reassembling the 5HP Alamo. Everything is together but I > am stumped about the connection between the hole (9/16" dia) in the top > of the latchout arm and the spindle coming out of the bottom of the > flyball governor. There is a cross hole in the lower end of the governor > spindle and a tapped hole for a screw in the side of the latchout arm. > Is there simply a screw installed to connect the two? Since it is > threaded on both sides of the latchout out arm, perhaps there is a thin > tube/bushing over the screw? > > If anyone has a parts book that might show the parts of the latchout > mechanism on a walking beam engine I could sure use a scan/copy/fax. > I can take a couple of pictures if this will be useful. > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Tue May 3 10:40:48 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:40:48 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] may day rally Message-ID: <4277B7A0.000007.02632@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all had a nice day out at the Lambourn Country Show yesterday with my rebuilt and now running Fairbanks Morse Z headless the weather could not have been better 70f + all day some photos of the engines and my FM on webshots nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From nick at holden1.net Mon May 2 00:58:32 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:58:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] May day rally Message-ID: <4275DDA8.000003.02880@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all had a nice day out at the Lambourn Country Show yesterday with my rebuilt and now running Fairbanks Morse Z headless the weather could not have been better 70f + all day some photos of the engines and my FM on webshots nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 3 14:18:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh piffle!! That's not a REAL "two-flywheel 1905 Hornsby." It's a fake belted up to an electric motor. Its the same sort of deal guys work up to show a "running" Maytag!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/MT_1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/MT_2.jpg Runs as long as the electric motor is plugged in and belted up! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Tue, 3 May 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel > > 1905 Hornsby. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Hornsby1905Red.jpg > > Peter A Forbes From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 15:48:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:48:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard > Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin > flywheels, on two sizes of engines. Hi Peter, Despite most of the surviving engines having one flywheel, the catalogs verify that the engines originally left the factory with two flywheels. This is not as strange as you might think. During the war there were severe shortages of raw materials. Scrap drives consumed many old, worn out engines. But the Hornsby engines were of such good design that they were still running strong and powering industry during the war. It would have been foolhardy to scrap the engines that were running the shops and factories! However, it was soon discovered that the engines were so well designed that they would perform just fine with a single flywheel. The superfluous flywheels were then removed and melted down into munitions. The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by Nazi sympathizers. Now you know the WHOLE story ;-) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue May 3 16:34:37 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:34:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts References: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> <1370.165.206.180.144.1115151888.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <000601c55038$acea8b10$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo experts > I have a color Alamo catalog/brochure from the teens I could look at. > That size is so different from the 2hp and 1.5 that I have, I can't really > comment. > Bill Hi, I was just thinking reading this how many catalogues & maintence manuals we must own between us. Is there any way we can set up a common site to post them to? I looked & found I had posted the following, http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/documents.htm I do own a few other books which could be posted. What do you think.? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue May 3 16:39:36 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:39:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? References: <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000601c55039$5f13fab0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:48 PM Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? Snip > The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by > Nazi sympathizers. Now you know the WHOLE story Now come on Rob, even the newest Pope was a member of the Hitler Youth. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 3 17:14:58 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:14:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? Message-ID: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> Now i have an engine [two flywheels but that does not make me a Nazi sympathiser]. Re, the what i assume is the hot tube,It is a tube that is approx 75mm long x12mm [that's inches x1/2]. It screws in to the combustion chamber in a vertical position and projects externally. The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length to approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material inserted into this tube? Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker..............still that does not matter,just makes it a hell of lot more interesting. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 3 17:29:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:29:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show and Settle for a B17? In-Reply-To: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42781777.9070604@earthlink.net> Hi all, Took these a few years back with the old digital. Wish I would have taken the film camera with my long lens. Enjoy! http://frapa.us/B17a.JPG http://frapa.us/B17b.JPG http://frapa.us/B17c.JPG http://frapa.us/B17d.JPG http://frapa.us/B17e.JPG http://frapa.us/B17f.JPG Jeff Allen Rob Skinner wrote: >>Nice pictures Ron, >> Is the B-29 airworthy? >> >> > >Hi Patrick, >That B-29 is not ready for the skies, although it is certainly in good enough >condition to be adopted by an enthusiastic chap such as yourself. > >Google on "B-29 restoration" and you'll come up with some interesting projects. >I've not seen a flying B-29... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel >1905 Hornsby. > >Rob > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 3 17:53:47 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:53:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Alamo experts In-Reply-To: <000601c55038$acea8b10$fa4c1152@no1> References: <4277D386.2070505@imc-group.com> <1370.165.206.180.144.1115151888.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <000601c55038$acea8b10$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <42781D1B.3010202@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, I have a start here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/techindex.html We do have a place already. Just checked and all of yours are linked to. I suppose we could ask Jim for a seperate area to link to manuals, but for now this works fine. I index what I can find and what is sent to me. Now and then I screw up and don't post what is sent. Send it again. I'm not perfect. Post away and I'll link to em. I set up a new bookmark folder tonight. I'll dump all new links in there so I don't lose them in the future. Jeff Allen Dave Croft wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:24 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Alamo experts > > > > >>I have a color Alamo catalog/brochure from the teens I could look at. >>That size is so different from the 2hp and 1.5 that I have, I can't really >>comment. >>Bill >> >> > >Hi, I was just thinking reading this how many catalogues & maintence manuals >we must own between us. >Is there any way we can set up a common site to post them to? >I looked & found I had posted the following, >http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/vintage/documents.htm >I do own a few other books which could be posted. >What do you think.? > >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 3 20:27:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:27:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes?/Now Nazi Sympathizer--ot In-Reply-To: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050503231801.0d838540@mail.alltel.net> At 08:14 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote: >Now i have an engine [two flywheels but that does not make me a Nazi >sympathiser]. Peter Ogborne Peter, An international known authority (from CA) on the subject of Nazi sympathizers has recently published on this subject. His claim is that anyone in france or the UK that owns a two flywheel engine is/was a Nazi sympathizer. Are you saying that you are no longer a Nazi sympathizer? Please tell us what has turned you against the Nazi movement. Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 3 21:33:50 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:33:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? In-Reply-To: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length to > approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a > diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming > that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material > inserted into this tube? No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. On the compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, a combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open > crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name > plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see the pictures? Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 3 23:44:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:44:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> <200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard > > Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin > > flywheels, on two sizes of engines. > > Hi Peter, > Despite most of the surviving engines having one flywheel, the catalogs verify > that the engines originally left the factory with two flywheels. This is not as > strange as you might think. > > During the war there were severe shortages of raw materials. Scrap drives > consumed many old, worn out engines. But the Hornsby engines were of such good > design that they were still running strong and powering industry during the war. > It would have been foolhardy to scrap the engines that were running the shops > and factories! However, it was soon discovered that the engines were so well > designed that they would perform just fine with a single flywheel. The > superfluous flywheels were then removed and melted down into munitions. > > The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by > Nazi sympathizers. > > Now you know the WHOLE story > ;-) Notwithstanding your 'colourful' explanation, I should point out that the catalogue also shows single-flywheel versions of many of the engines, which tends to blow your theory out of the water somewhat...:-)) The smaller engines tend to have had single flywheels and the larger ones twins, but even then there are exceptions to the rule, so it is a bit of a mixed bag. The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed May 4 02:37:45 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:37:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O T Message-ID: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> What's everyone go to sleep. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed May 4 02:45:18 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:45:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O T References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <003e01c5508d$fcb35870$5f11fea9@merlin> nah i,am still ere Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [SEL] O T > What's everyone go to sleep. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 02:13:47 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:13:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? References: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001601c55090$0fdef5b0$c89581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks for that Rob ......if i am correct i am sure you had a ''Mystery Engine ''site, it on there. Thanks again for that info on hot tubes i am in full swing on restoration of the engine and a wooden boat but sometimes things like the vacuum cleaner have to take precedence............i am not a liberated husband!!! I now have to think of a suitable reply for Dave R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? >> The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length >> to >> approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a >> diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming >> that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material >> inserted into this tube? > > No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. > On the > compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, > a > combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > >> Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open >> crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name >> plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker > > For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see > the > pictures? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Wed May 4 03:28:36 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:28:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? References: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com><200505032248.j43Mmluc063491@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007901c55094$096011c0$0301a8c0@Young1203> Hi , here in Australia we were blessed with more than our fair share of Hornsbys sent over from the old dart back in the early days of the last century - or was that the one before . They lie about rusting away in the paddocks, no body bothering to pick them up, so common they is over here. Of the 8,000 or so Hornsbys that came to Australia in those days I doubt that more than a few hundred had two flywheels. The ones I have seen or seen pictures of were real big ones, say 16Hp or bigger. Believe me a 16Hp Akroyd is BIG. This includes the earliest girder frame types, the half base Akroyds, the 1905 and 1912 style oil engines, the petrol and the Andrews styled gas engines - they all were typified by a relatively large (for their HP) single flywheel. Michael Young Orange, NSW, 2800 Phone: 02 6361 0041 Mobile: 0414 015 864 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? > On 5/3/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard > > > Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin > > > flywheels, on two sizes of engines. > > > > Hi Peter, > > Despite most of the surviving engines having one flywheel, the catalogs verify > > that the engines originally left the factory with two flywheels. This is not as > > strange as you might think. > > > > During the war there were severe shortages of raw materials. Scrap drives > > consumed many old, worn out engines. But the Hornsby engines were of such good > > design that they were still running strong and powering industry during the war. > > It would have been foolhardy to scrap the engines that were running the shops > > and factories! However, it was soon discovered that the engines were so well > > designed that they would perform just fine with a single flywheel. The > > superfluous flywheels were then removed and melted down into munitions. > > > > The only two-flywheel engines that you'll see today are those that were owned by > > Nazi sympathizers. > > > > Now you know the WHOLE story > > ;-) > > Notwithstanding your 'colourful' explanation, I should point out that > the catalogue also shows single-flywheel versions of many of the > engines, which tends to blow your theory out of the water > somewhat...:-)) > > The smaller engines tend to have had single flywheels and the larger > ones twins, but even then there are exceptions to the rule, so it is a > bit of a mixed bag. > > The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, > and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 03:59:02 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:59:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? References: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000a01c55098$666ce1f0$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry Rob ,the picture of my engine is on Ken Christianson's page http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? >> The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length >> to >> approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a >> diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming >> that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material >> inserted into this tube? > > No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. > On the > compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, > a > combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > >> Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open >> crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name >> plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker > > For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see > the > pictures? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 04:14:33 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:14:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Comments OT but question Topical Message-ID: <001d01c5509a$76cd5140$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> For Australian members .........although i never had any time for Joh Bjleke Peterson ,his attitude towards civil rights issues was atrocious . His reply to the question regarding his thoughts on homosexuals .......after a moments thought ''You don't put water where the petrol should go'' was a classic Joh reply. Now the On Topic question.............for Australian members ,did anyone see the old photo on page 16 of the ''Weekend Australian Magazine'' April 30? It shows Joh with some kind of vehicle ,on the back is a piece of machinery, looks a bit like a pumper . Any one got any ideas? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 04:35:45 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:35:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson Message-ID: <001401c5509d$6dddff00$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one have Kens email address thanks Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 4 04:39:57 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 04:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O T In-Reply-To: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Huh? You'll need to explain, please - sleep, what is this? Something you eat? Bill > What's everyone go to sleep. Cam > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 04:41:12 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:41:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? References: <200505040433.j444XxA2052104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003601c5509e$2ff6b780$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Rob ,what you describe sounds too simple to be true. It will make my restoration much easier. I am sure that what i have is the original tube. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Now Hot tubes ? >> The tube, is a tube in that it is drilled out to almost it's full length >> to >> approx 1/4 inch. At the non screwed end it is pointed,i.e. a >> diamond point. The material is ferrous.Am i correct in assuming >> that there would be some kind of glow plug inducing material >> inserted into this tube? > > No sir. It remains hollow. The "hot tube" his heated until it is red. > On the > compression stroke, the fuel/air is forced up into the tube. Eventually, > a > combustible mix reaches the hot area and ignites. > >> Needless to say that this engine is one of those old open >> crank ,sideshaft engines that some bastard took the name >> plate off. All efforts have failed to identify the maker > > For those of us with short memories, can you remind us where we can see > the > pictures? > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 4 05:48:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:48:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Now Hot tubes?/Now Nazi Sympathizer--ot References: <002601c5503e$6c5c4d30$669981cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6.1.2.0.0.20050503231801.0d838540@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000b01c550a7$a2189e10$9c9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Dave ,after being saturated over the years with Hollywood soaps like Hogan's Heroes i have now become a sympathiser. The international expert has not made himself known to me ......hell I am in enough trouble with my engine club anyway so a bit more agro wont hurt . I have to be careful what I say re my club as all comments get back to the oligarch. Still two flyweelin... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Now Hot tubes?/Now Nazi Sympathizer--ot > At 08:14 PM 5/3/2005, you wrote: >>Now i have an engine [two flywheels but that does not make me a Nazi >>sympathiser]. > Peter Ogborne > > Peter, > An international known authority (from CA) on the subject of Nazi > sympathizers has recently published on this subject. His claim is that > anyone in france or the UK that owns a two flywheel engine is/was a Nazi > sympathizer. Are you saying that you are no longer a Nazi sympathizer? > Please tell us what has turned you against the Nazi movement. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 4 05:53:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:53:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson In-Reply-To: <001401c5509d$6dddff00$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001401c5509d$6dddff00$449a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f60251605050405536db4c617@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/05, peter ogborne wrote: > Does any one have Kens email address > thanks > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > christison at coastalnet.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From christison at coastalnet.com Wed May 4 05:55:07 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:55:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson Message-ID: <410-2200553412557687@coastalnet.com> christison at coastalnet.com The "mystery engine" page is at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/engines.htm Take care. Ken > [Original Message] > From: peter ogborne > To: > Date: 5/4/2005 11:37:03 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ken Christanson > > Does any one have Kens email address > thanks > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed May 4 06:49:49 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:49:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i'm building a 4 wheel cart for my 2 hp vertical OTTO. the wheels are 16" rear and 12" front that will center pivot steer under the frame. i have the handle attachment castings for the front axle. i'm wondering what would be the best kind of handle to make. wood? all steel? T- handle? D- loop handle? hitch end for pulling with a winch or (gulp) tractor? ideas and pics of ones that work well for moving and loading are requested. thanks, Marv in minn From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 4 07:53:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:53:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <008301c5508c$ed0d6a10$0301a8c0@Cam> <2123.165.206.180.144.1115206797.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4278E1EA.5000003@imc-group.com> Marv, About all I can add is to have the handle goto and stow in a vertical position to conserve trailer and storage space. Hercules and IHC carts are an issue because you have to remove the handle to conserve space. When I redid the Herc sawrig I made a towbar that would allow it to be pulled with the tractor and handled by hand. It will also pivot up and slightly behind vertical to remain in the vertical positon to eliminate having to remove the handle. Here are a couple of sketches of the Herc handle made with 1" square tubing: Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >i'm building a 4 wheel cart for my 2 hp vertical OTTO. >the wheels are 16" rear and 12" front that will center pivot steer under >the frame. i have the handle attachment castings for the front axle. > >i'm wondering what would be the best kind of handle to make. >wood? all steel? T- handle? D- loop handle? >hitch end for pulling with a winch or (gulp) tractor? > >ideas and pics of ones that work well for moving and loading are requested. > >thanks, >Marv in minn > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 21:25:49 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:25:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f60251605050311582c3ff489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> We have all learnt the dangers of trusting everything in engine catalogues and books :) I just checked through my files and of the 230 odd pictures I have of Richard Hornsby & Hornsby-Akroyd engines only 4 have twin flywheels. None of these appears to be a 'colonial' engine. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I have Ray Hooley's archive of original catalogues and descriptive leaflets with me, and there are examples of twin-flywheel Hornsby engines, the first I came across was the 'R' series oil engine of 1911 - 1925. The "Standard Specification for Horizontal Oil Engines" lists engines from 2 to 66hp and the brochure shows twin flywheels. The L and LE were both Hornsby engines albeit during the transitional period after R&H came into existance. The Class L engines ran from 1905 to 1912, but the Class is shown as starting much earlier, these dates are for the engine powers that tie up with the leaflet. My last exhibit your honour, is a genuine original 1905 Richard Hornsby sales leaflet for the Hornsby Oil Engine, showing twin flywheels, on two sizes of engines. Peter From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 4 09:32:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Jane, you ignorant slut... 8-))) http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78eupdate.phtml On Wed, 4 May 2005, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > We have all learnt the dangers of trusting everything in engine catalogues > and books :) > I just checked through my files and of the 230 odd pictures I have of > Richard Hornsby & Hornsby-Akroyd engines only 4 have twin flywheels. None of > these appears to be a 'colonial' engine. From mtucker at uky.edu Wed May 4 10:29:54 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:29:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, Lincoln is restoring a 4 hp Friend Model BX (throttle governed) and he needs some help with it. Long story, but the piston is DEAD, as in using it is totally out of the question. So, he is in search of a replacement piston. The diameter is 4 inches and the distance from the top of the piston to the top of the wrist pin hole is 1.45 inches. The diameter of the wrist pin hole is a little more than 0.75 inches. Does anybody know of a piston that we could make work for this engine? There are a number of automobile pistons that are 4 inches but the ones that we have found all have a very narrow space for the connecting rod and making that space big enough to accept the rod would remove too much material and make things a little too fragile for the wrist pin. We would rather not grind down the width of the connecting rod down to fit because one of these days we may actually run across a correct Friend piston. According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the piston to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to handle? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 4 11:02:06 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:02:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <61891.199.62.0.252.1115214589.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hi Marv, I don't think the material is as important as the ability to lock the steering axle straight for safe loading and unloading. I make my carts with a provision to hook a winch strap to the rear axle or frame and load backwards and unload forwards with a pin inserted in the pivot table of the steering. Steve >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] cart handle design >Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:49:49 -0500 (CDT) > >i'm building a 4 wheel cart for my 2 hp vertical OTTO. >the wheels are 16" rear and 12" front that will center pivot steer under >the frame. i have the handle attachment castings for the front axle. > >i'm wondering what would be the best kind of handle to make. >wood? all steel? T- handle? D- loop handle? >hitch end for pulling with a winch or (gulp) tractor? > >ideas and pics of ones that work well for moving and loading are requested. > >thanks, >Marv in minn > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed May 4 11:53:02 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:53:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Mike, I wonder if you could machine some off of the top of the new piston which depends on how much meat there is on the replacement piston. Did you try to figure what the compression ratio was originally and what it would change to? I am inclined to think the change would be hardly noticeable but it would be smart to do the arithmetic just to be sure. How to calculate the CR might make a good school paper. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions > > According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a > wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the piston > to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 > inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to handle? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike From mtucker at uky.edu Wed May 4 12:14:17 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions In-Reply-To: <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: >Did you try to figure what the compression ratio was originally and >what it would change to? I am inclined to think the change would be >hardly noticeable but it would be smart to do the arithmetic just to >be sure. Jim, Thanks for the reply. The engine is is lots of pieces now but I think that we can reconstruct things enough to figure out the compression ratios of old piston versus new piston. It will probably be this weekend but I'll let you all know what we find out. Take care, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 4 13:21:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:21:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine sort of day Message-ID: <6f6025160505041321b185171@mail.gmail.com> Just sitting down after a pretty hectic day, involving machinery moving, an engine purchase and an ebay item pickup. Started off moving our two small milling machines out of the workshop and onto the trailer for delivery to a new owner and storage respectively. Our workshop is about a foot below street level, so it's a bit of a Pul-Lift job to haul them out and up again onto the trailer bed which is about another 14" off the deck. Once that was done, we drove up to Leicester, through that ancient village called Kibworth Harcourt where her Dollyness lives, and eventually got to Leicester where we picked up up a nice motorised engraving tool diamond dressing wheel. It failed to sell on ebay so we made an offer which was acceptable. We have two engraving machines now and this would see some use and save sending the tools away to be faced up. Over to Coalville, west of Leicester where we delivered one of the milling machines to its new owner, had a bit of a game getting it off but eventually it was on his garage floor and we left him to play with his new toy. Down the motorway, back to the field and feed the nags, then over to Chris' farm and drop off the other machine which is going on ebay, then home. Just about had the energy to put the trailer away! The engine or engines are a pair of Albin marine twin-cylinder units with gearboxes, props, dynastarts etc. Got the pair for about $40, bargain or what? We'll pick them up probably tomorrow and will get some pictures posted. Albin are Swedish, and these are still being made and supported. Not sure exactly which model, but 880cc twin sidevalve (L-head?) sounds about right. We shall both sleep well tonight! -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 4 13:30:24 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:30:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> Steve, An excellent suggestion you have made! I have eyed your locking system on several occasions and noted how it benefits the safety of the loading operation. Despite having a full 8' long tongue on my 8HP Famous, when it transitions from trailer to ramps one wheel always goes first and it is all my 190 pounds can do to stay planted as it wants to swing me to the side. That's a 4000# + engine with a large percentage of the weight on the front axle. Every time I load or unload this engine I swear I am going to add this feature to the cart. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Steve Royster wrote: > Hi Marv, I don't think the material is as important as the ability to > lock the steering axle straight for safe loading and unloading. I make > my carts with a provision to hook a winch strap to the rear axle or > frame and load backwards and unload forwards with a pin inserted in > the pivot table of the steering. Steve > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 4 13:52:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:52:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050504135261e39f55@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/05, Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > Lincoln is restoring a 4 hp Friend Model BX (throttle governed) and > he needs some help with it. Long story, but the piston is DEAD, as > in using it is totally out of the question. So, he is in search of a > replacement piston. The diameter is 4 inches and the distance from > the top of the piston to the top of the wrist pin hole is 1.45 > inches. The diameter of the wrist pin hole is a little more than > 0.75 inches. Mike: I'm scanning through the Specialloid piston catalogue while eating my dinner, and there are plenty of 4" bore pistons in there, the biggest problem seems to be the small gudgeon pin diameter and the compression height (centre of gudgeon pin to top of piston) Waukesha, Reo, Federal, Fordson, Hercules and many more have them, but I see your biggest problem being with the small wrist pin size, followed by the compression height. I'll keep on looking and will shout is something near comes up. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed May 4 03:36:02 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 10:36:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover Engine Colour Message-ID: <050420051036.729.4278A592000D3F03000002D921979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Patrick, I will contact him about the paint. Curt > If anyone can help Grover with the correct colour for his Stover contact him > at his address below. > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > _____ > > From: Grover Fox,Jr [mailto:cfox25 at nu-z.net] > > Subject: Stover Engine > > > > I have a Stover engine I am trying to restore, I am interested in the color > code for the paint. > > The plate states Stover Engine Works, Freeport, Ill USA > > Type U H.P. 8 Speed 300 > > No. E34798 > > It is very similar to the one in your picutures on the web site (looks like > a U type and is painted some type of green. Someone here told me it was a > Dupont color. If you have any information as to what color this engine was > originally and where I can obtain please let me know. \ > > At some of the shows Ihave gone to some oldtimers say it should have been > red, some say green, It was rusted when I got it and I now have it > sandblasted and primed. I just need the correct color. > > > > Enjoy your site. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Grover > Fox > > Lincolnton, GA USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed May 4 16:25:00 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 00:25:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lister 3/1 & 5/1 Diesel engine handbook Message-ID: <006301c55100$7f880e40$fa4c1152@no1> I have scanned mine at http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/Lister%20Diesel%20Manual.pdf It takes a while to download & it hasn't come out in quite the correct order but I think it is all there. If you have the engine but haven't got the book it is probably worth the wait! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 4 17:13:19 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:13:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505050013.j450DMlW053892@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, > and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! High res, please! Rob Parked on Ray's web page hitting refresh every ten seconds. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 4 18:25:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:25:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: Mike... is the old one buggered up so bad that Rowlands can't duplicate it? Good Luck RickinMt. > > According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a > > wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the > > piston > > to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 > > inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to > > handle? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Wed May 4 19:39:07 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> Hi List, I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for the busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier cast iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without some fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking my worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to be firing the mag near bottom dead center. I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set and the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the mag timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of trial and error (mostly error). What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. Tom From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 4 13:53:02 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:53:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions Message-ID: <20050504.231902.896.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Mike, Im not familiar with the Friend - but - My first thought is - If you decide to use the LB piston, can you make a ?" spacer between the head & Cylinder ? A guy I know did it with a brass plate. You might have to make a longer valve push rod. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From wmrohrer at myactv.net Thu May 5 02:26:05 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:26:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] TEST Message-ID: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. Very little mail the last 3 days Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 5 02:33:48 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:33:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TEST In-Reply-To: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200505050933.j459Xtv7007083@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Mike, You are coming through loud and clear here in Oz :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. Very little mail the last 3 days Thanks Mike Mike Rohrer From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu May 5 02:41:17 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:41:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friend piston questions References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <030201c55156$96147e90$a65bef18@pengy> I was wondering if the piston casting that I am making for Curt would be the correct dimensions for you. If so you can get one from him and machine it to fit. If not then maybe I could make something up that would work. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friend piston questions > Mike... is the old one buggered up so bad that Rowlands can't duplicate > it? > > > Good Luck > RickinMt. > > >> > According to Ed at Hit & Miss, an IHC LB 3-5 piston is 4 inches with a >> > wrist pin hole that would work but the distance from the top of the >> > piston >> > to the top of the wrist pin is close to 2 inches. Would an extra 0.5 >> > inches of compression stroke be too much for a headless engine to >> > handle? >> > >> > Thanks for the help, >> > Mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 5 03:03:23 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:03:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TEST References: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005101c55159$acb01fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> There's been very little mail Mike. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rohrer" To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: [SEL] TEST > This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. > > Very little mail the last 3 days > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Mike Rohrer > > Smithsburg, Maryland USA > > Collector of Antique Farm Literature > > Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > > If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! > > Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 5 05:06:40 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 05:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] TEST In-Reply-To: <005101c55159$acb01fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> References: <200505050926.j459QXBB005011@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <005101c55159$acb01fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <1207.165.206.180.144.1115294800.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Blame it on spring and shows and guys spending time with their true loves - in the shop. Bill > There's been very little mail Mike. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Rohrer" > To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" > ; "'The SEL email discussion > list'" ; > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:26 PM > Subject: [SEL] TEST > > >> This is a test to see if there is something wrong on my end. >> >> Very little mail the last 3 days >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Mike Rohrer >> >> Smithsburg, Maryland USA >> >> Collector of Antique Farm Literature >> >> Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------------------ >> >> If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! >> >> Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu May 5 05:10:45 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:10:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> References: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <29862.199.62.0.252.1115295045.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> curt, does your cart have the steering limiting chains? if so, how about a couple of short chains with grab hooks to choke the steering to a minimum? i know it works very well on 15 and 20 hp Famous engines. marv in minn > Steve, > An excellent suggestion you have made! I have eyed your locking system > on several occasions and noted how it benefits the safety of the loading > operation. Despite having a full 8' long tongue on my 8HP Famous, when > it transitions from trailer to ramps one wheel always goes first and it > is all my 190 pounds can do to stay planted as it wants to swing me to > the side. That's a 4000# + engine with a large percentage of the weight > on the front axle. Every time I load or unload this engine I swear I am > going to add this feature to the cart. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Steve Royster wrote: > >> Hi Marv, I don't think the material is as important as the ability to >> lock the steering axle straight for safe loading and unloading. I make >> my carts with a provision to hook a winch strap to the rear axle or >> frame and load backwards and unload forwards with a pin inserted in >> the pivot table of the steering. Steve >> From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 5 06:00:58 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <29862.199.62.0.252.1115295045.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <427930E0.10502@imc-group.com> <29862.199.62.0.252.1115295045.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <427A190A.1070309@imc-group.com> Marv, Yes it does have the steering limiting chains and yes, I believe that would work great. Thanks for a great suggestion! Curt in NC MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >curt, >does your cart have the steering limiting chains? >if so, how about a couple of short chains with grab hooks to choke the >steering to a minimum? >i know it works very well on 15 and 20 hp Famous engines. > >marv in minn > > > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 5 08:09:43 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:09:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Message-ID: <427A3737.4060606@imc-group.com> I've started this page on our website to track progress on Devin's Baker Monitor engine. Though a running engine, there is a fair amount of wear on it and we are repairing many items. Our goal is to work on this hot and heavy this summer and get the engine ready for the Portland show in August. A few weeks ago I asked the list if you knew the offset between the cylinder and the crankshaft centerlines. After careful measuring we determined the correct offset is .750. This amount of offset was a complete surprise. I'll keep adding to this web page and reposting it thru the summer as we make progress. Hope you will find it as entertaining as Devin and I are. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu May 5 10:44:47 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:44:47 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? Message-ID: Is there a way to tell if this engine is a hit and miss or a throttle goverened by the pictures and this serial number? It's hard for me to tell by the pictures. International 8 h.p. ?A1193E? Horiz. http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg Any guesses on a ball park value? It's coming up at an auction and it caught my attention. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu May 5 10:55:57 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:55:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] cart handle design In-Reply-To: <427A190A.1070309@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On my carts with chains I put a bolt with a wing nut in each chain through the links when loading and you can tighten the two chains very tight for keeping things straight. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] cart handle design >Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:00:58 -0400 > >Marv, >Yes it does have the steering limiting chains and yes, I believe that would >work great. >Thanks for a great suggestion! >Curt in NC > >MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > >>curt, >>does your cart have the steering limiting chains? >>if so, how about a couple of short chains with grab hooks to choke the >>steering to a minimum? >>i know it works very well on 15 and 20 hp Famous engines. >> >>marv in minn >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 5 11:07:32 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:07:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Club day Message-ID: <427A60E4.5060108@imc-group.com> Last Saturday we had our annual get-to-together and picnic of just the club members. We hang out at the gin building, run a few engines, tell lies, and eat too much. The model guys had a better showing than the engine guys this year. There are several models I thought you might enjoy looking at. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed May 4 03:44:37 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:44:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009301c55096$44d1be00$0fb21fd3@morris> G'Day Peter Just to keep the Hornsby thing going I have a book on Hornsby Petrol Engines (1912) Portable or Stationary showing engines from 2hp to130hp including Petrol Driven Dynamos and not one of them are Two Flywheel types. I don,t think I have seen for real a twin flywheel Hornsby. must have kept them all over your side of the pond. Kerry Lithgow NSW OZ ... but then again I've never seen a two-flywheel >> 1905 Hornsby. >> >> Rob > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/Hornsby1905Red.jpg > > Peter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 3/05/2005 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 5 12:25:03 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:25:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> Its a hit and miss Luke. The carb overflow bowl gives it away. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Is there a way to tell if this engine is a hit and miss or a throttle > goverened by the pictures and this serial number? It's hard for me to > tell by the pictures. > > International 8 h.p. ?A1193E? Horiz. > > http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg > http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg > http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg > > Any guesses on a ball park value? It's coming up at an auction and it > caught my attention. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 5 13:22:49 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> References: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <3964.165.206.180.144.1115324569.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Question, Tommy - my Chapmans both have overflow type "carbs" or more properly, mixers, but are hit n miss. The fuel is pumped constantly into a bowl on the mixer, and overflow is directed back into the tank, similar to an IH M. So is it slightly possible another could also be H&M with that setup? I don't know much about those engines as shown, however. Bill > Its a hit and miss Luke. The carb overflow bowl gives it away. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > >> Is there a way to tell if this engine is a hit and miss or a throttle >> goverened by the pictures and this serial number? It's hard for me to >> tell by the pictures. >> >> International 8 h.p. ?A1193E? Horiz. >> >> http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg >> http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg >> http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg >> >> Any guesses on a ball park value? It's coming up at an auction and it >> caught my attention. >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 5 15:47:23 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 18:47:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <3964.165.206.180.144.1115324569.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <427A730F.1010300@scrtc.com> <3964.165.206.180.144.1115324569.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <427AA27B.8010805@scrtc.com> Bill, The early IHC hit and miss and throttler engines both used overflow bowl carbs. But, they are different. The shape of the carb overflow bowl and its location gives away the identity of this engine as a hit and miss. If you look at the photo below, you can see the bowl and elbow of the hit and miss carb. The needle valve can be seen above the elbow. http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Question, Tommy - my Chapmans both have overflow type "carbs" or more >properly, mixers, but are hit n miss. The fuel is pumped constantly into a >bowl on the mixer, and overflow is directed back into the tank, similar to >an IH M. So is it slightly possible another could also be H&M with that >setup? > >I don't know much about those engines as shown, however. > >Bill > > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 5 15:51:06 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:51:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay Book 4U Message-ID: <200505052251.j45MpApq018356@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is a very informative book... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=6959371958 From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 5 16:40:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:40:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Message-ID: <20050505.194036.1320.7.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Curt, Nice pics and explanations. Keep it coming. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu May 5 17:23:06 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:23:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Woodworking-Lumber Yard PLayset Message-ID: <000d01c551d1$dd07ae50$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Gang, My 10 year old grandson ask me if I would build him a Lumber Yard Playset so I built him one. I am just posting this so those who want to can look at the pictures, maybe help pass the time away. I made the little truck to go with it, my wife did the painting. The little men in the truck were turned out on my miniature lathe. It is not iron work but is enjoyable none the less. http://client.webshots.com/photo/339195734/339196157yxIDkM Paul From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu May 5 17:38:15 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> Hello Tom, I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed Dies. I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes in the needed direction to get everything to fit. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hi List, > > I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have > restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for the > busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier cast > iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without some > fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking my > worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the > exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to be > firing the mag near bottom dead center. > > I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set and > the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the mag > timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear > relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm > running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only > alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the > timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of trial > and error (mostly error). > > What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Thu May 5 18:27:33 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:27:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm><001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> Hi Ed, Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I can't make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if I reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual ) and rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what should work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going to do the job. BTW, you were the only one to reply. Have a nice weekend, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hello Tom, > > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed > Dies. > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes > in > the needed direction to get everything to fit. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Smith" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > >> Hi List, >> >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for > the >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier > cast >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without >> some >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking > my >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to >> be >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. >> >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set >> and >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the >> mag >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of >> trial >> and error (mostly error). >> >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. >> >> Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu May 5 21:51:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:51:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <01f201c551f7$37ad6690$0301a8c0@Cam> Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri May 6 06:09:27 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:09:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <027101c5523c$d574e390$0301a8c0@Cam> Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri May 6 06:18:37 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:18:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check Message-ID: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From ivancou at alltel.net Fri May 6 07:04:00 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <000701c55244$743f81e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> No, but its only 10:01 am on this side . Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri May 6 04:44:45 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 07:44:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm><001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms><00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> Tom, If I had to do it over, I would ask Hit & Miss to not drill the holes for the mag, use the broken bracket as a pattern and drill them my self. As I remember there was interference with one of the bracket mounting bolts. Some folks put the FMZ almost next to maytag. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hi Ed, > > Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I can't > make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if I > reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual ) and > rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what should > work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going to do the > job. > BTW, you were the only one to reply. > > Have a nice weekend, > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ED" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > > > Hello Tom, > > > > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed > > Dies. > > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes > > in > > the needed direction to get everything to fit. > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Smith" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM > > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > > > > >> Hi List, > >> > >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have > >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for > > the > >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier > > cast > >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without > >> some > >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking > > my > >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the > >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to > >> be > >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. > >> > >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set > >> and > >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the > >> mag > >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear > >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm > >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only > >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the > >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of > >> trial > >> and error (mostly error). > >> > >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri May 6 07:43:31 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:43:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Message-ID: <427B8293.8080908@imc-group.com> Did a little work last night on the Baker Monitor. The last 5 frames at the bottom of the page. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Enjoy, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri May 6 07:46:59 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:46:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Check In-Reply-To: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> I got this. Gary cam grundy wrote: > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Fri May 6 09:03:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 02:03:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <002f01c55255$19062ca0$0301a8c0@Cam> Thanks Garry, I think I'm just a bit impatient. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Check >I got this. > > Gary > > cam grundy wrote: >> Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am >> Cam and Edwina Grundy >> Kariong >> Gosford 2250 >> Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 6 07:15:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:15:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: Not a heck of a lot, Cam, and I'm on three lists. People are finally getting outside I guess. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ottawa at pa.net Fri May 6 07:00:29 2005 From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:00:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <018001c55243$f7e20b40$38f0cd97@HONDESKTOP> Cam, Below is a copy of the last message I saw from the List except your test messages. Helen George L. & Helen S. Myers The Ottawa Caretakers ottawa at pa.net Tel 717-536-3711 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1751540 http://community.webshots.com/user/doitnowo ************************************************************** From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble Date: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:40 PM Hi Ed, Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I can't make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if I reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual ) and rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what should work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going to do the job. BTW, you were the only one to reply. Have a nice weekend, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > Hello Tom, > > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & Miss, Ed > Dies. > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the holes > in > the needed direction to get everything to fit. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Smith" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > >> Hi List, >> >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp engine. I have >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a replacement for > the >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a earlier > cast >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag without >> some >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag thinking > my >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right on the >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag appears to >> be >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. >> >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the replaced set >> and >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure why the >> mag >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing gear >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual assumes I'm >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers (only >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack with the >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit of >> trial >> and error (mostly error). >> >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. >> >> Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: cam grundy To: LISTMAIL Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia _______________________________________________ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 6 10:18:53 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:18:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sunday show In-Reply-To: <009301c55096$44d1be00$0fb21fd3@morris> References: <200505031235.j43CZC0o011196@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <200505031653.j43GrPXd074308@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050503121919f31978@mail.gmail.com> <009301c55096$44d1be00$0fb21fd3@morris> Message-ID: <6f6025160505061018518d0f1d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/05, Kerry wrote: > G'Day Peter > > Just to keep the Hornsby thing going I have a book on Hornsby Petrol Engines > (1912) Portable or Stationary showing engines from 2hp to130hp including > Petrol Driven Dynamos and not one of them are Two Flywheel types. I don,t > think I have seen for real a twin flywheel Hornsby. must have kept them all > over your side of the pond. > > Kerry It certainly seems that way! I'll have to ask Ray Hooley if he knows of a valid reason for this apparent anomaly. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 6 10:20:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:20:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: One Flywheel or Two? In-Reply-To: <200505050013.j450DMlW053892@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f6025160505032344587f6398@mail.gmail.com> <200505050013.j450DMlW053892@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605050610207fe38fd3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/5/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > The catalogues and information that I have is Ray Hooley's property, > > and will go onto his webpages as soon as I get a minute. > > Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! > > High res, please! > > Rob > Parked on Ray's web page hitting refresh every ten seconds. Sorry, Rob, I've been on my back with a stomach bug for a couple of days. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri May 6 11:02:21 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:02:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Another One Running Message-ID: <1b9.12ffbff8.2fad0b2d@aol.com> Hi List, The Maytag Model 92 I picked up at the Paso Robles swap meet is now in running condition. The fuel pick up tube and check valve was cleaned. The gas tank was also drained and new gasoline was added. The high tension cable was missing and a replacement was installed. After the first time it started, the starter over ride clutch was making noise. The addition of a little oil cured the problem. It starts on the second kick. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From bill at antique-engines.com Fri May 6 11:10:30 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT- tractor question In-Reply-To: <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> <427B8363.7030400@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <2888.165.206.180.144.1115403030.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I'm working on an IH 3514 hydrostatic loader tractor. The governor is shot - the nut that holds the gear was gone, the front bearing really nasty loose and rough, the back bearing is, well, I can only find parts of it, lots of pieces messed up, missing or broken. Where can I find a governor or the parts to fix one? I find nothing at all in the phone book and we have to Central Tractor or anything similar around here - they all went bust or moved out. I'd like to find parts soon - if I fix it, I can borrow it to move some dirt here. Bill Runnells, IA From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri May 6 11:13:46 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:13:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble In-Reply-To: <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Well, I got a Maytag 72, so I suppose I have two examples of the bottom of the barrel. It looks like whomever cast the repro bracket would have gone to the trouble to do it right. My Z was also missing the gov parts so I was missing more than just the bracket. I've got a milling machine and could have made the cast iron assembly work by milling space under the bracket to clear mounting nuts but wanted to keep it "original". Course, the cast iron assembly with the Bosch mag isn't original to my later issue engine anyway. Have a nice weekend and thanks again for your help, Tom On Fri, 6 May 2005 07:44:45 -0400 "ED" wrote: > Tom, > > If I had to do it over, I would ask Hit & Miss to not drill the >holes for > the mag, use the broken bracket as a pattern and drill them my self. >As I > remember there was interference with one of the bracket mounting >bolts. > > Some folks put the FMZ almost next to maytag. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Smith" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble > > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Thanks for the info. I will definately get the aluminum bracket if I >>can't >> make the steel work. I messed with it some more tonight and found if >>I >> reversed the running direction (from what is indicated in the manual >>) and >> rotate the timing gear 180 degrees, it comes pretty close to what >>should >> work. I'll have to mess with it some more to tell if this is going >>to do > the >> job. >> BTW, you were the only one to reply. >> >> Have a nice weekend, >> >> Tom >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ED" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble >> >> >> > Hello Tom, >> > >> > I have a 2 HP FMZ and got a new, aluminum, bracket from Hit & >>Miss, Ed >> > Dies. >> > I had a problem mounting the type R mag and wound up enlarging the >>holes >> > in >> > the needed direction to get everything to fit. >> > >> > Ed Stoller >> > New Fairfield, CT >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Tom Smith" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:39 PM >> > Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble >> > >> > >> >> Hi List, >> >> >> >> I'm a newbie and have run across a problem with a FM Z 3hp >>engine. I > have >> >> restored the once very stuck engine and couldn't find a >>replacement for >> > the >> >> busted pot metal gov. housing/mag base. I was able to locate a >>earlier >> > cast >> >> iron unit but then found I couldn't use the Fairbanks "R" mag >>without >> >> some >> >> fairly heavy modification to the base. I then bought a Bosch mag > thinking >> > my >> >> worries were over. It mounts fine but when I got the timing right >>on > the >> >> exhaust (per the manual), the little stud that trips the mag >>appears to >> >> be >> >> firing the mag near bottom dead center. >> >> >> >> I transferred the gear marks to cam relationship from the >>replaced set >> >> and >> >> the valve timing appears to be on the screws so I can't figure >>why the >> >> mag >> >> timing is wrong. Its almost like I have to rotate the mag timing >>gear >> >> relative to the cam to get the spark timing right. The manual >>assumes > I'm >> >> running the later R mag and doesn't give spark timing numbers >>(only >> >> alignment position of the gear tooth marks). If I have to jack >>with the >> >> timing relative to the exhaust cam, it looks like it may be a bit >>of >> >> trial >> >> and error (mostly error). >> >> >> >> What gives?? Any help greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri May 6 11:49:32 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:49:32 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- tractor question Message-ID: <8d.2688bf9d.2fad163c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/6/2005 1:43:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: I find nothing at all in the phone book and we have to Central Tractor or anything similar around here - they all went bust or moved out. I'd like to find parts soon - if I fix it, I can borrow it to move some dirt here. Bill Runnells, IA Hi Bill, Try this. Ron _Valu-Bilt Tractor Parts: Our Heritage_ (http://www.valu-bilt.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=about_us_page.htm&UID=2005050611172068) From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri May 6 13:03:46 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:03:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor References: <427A3737.4060606@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004e01c55276$b788edb0$c7466e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, The pictures were great. Now a few odds and ends from my Monitor experience. The shaft seals and individual bearings on the cam shaft work fine. The new bearings are 660 bronze from MacMaster-Carr. The shaft is set up pretty tight but runs fine with no heating, the seals also seem to be doing exactly what they are supposed to do. The gear wear that you show in the picture is exactly the same thing that I saw. The 20 tooth gear was worn the same as yours. This gear is probably too small for the job, if the Monitor were ever to be redesigned this gear should probably be a lot wider although it took a long time to get it this way. The mating gear looked fine although I did not attempt to measure tooth thickness just eyeballed it. I drilled and tapped both ends of the new camshaft for a 1/4 20 screw and used that to hold on two custom made washers to keep the gears on. The original setup had both gears pressed on. this might have been OK at the factory but I thought this was a much easier way to do it. I don't have a press big enough to get the block into to press this together and did not think it was worth the trouble to try fab up something like a big C clamp for a one shot deal that I will probably never need again. The first run of this engine was two days at Tulare and then one day at the March Field truck show. Ran fine except that oil came out of the mains at a pretty good rate and really made a mess. I was gradually cutting back on the oil, trying to make sure there was enough for the splash system and yet not to much to slop out. I was going along pretty cautious here until I met a fellow club member who has an identical engine. He has been running his with about an inch of oil in the crankcase. I drained quite a bit out and this seems to have made a great improvement in the mess factor. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor > I've started this page on our website to track progress on Devin's Baker > Monitor engine. Though a running engine, there is a fair amount of wear on > it and we are repairing many items. Our goal is to work on this hot and > heavy this summer and get the engine ready for the Portland show in > August. > A few weeks ago I asked the list if you knew the offset between the > cylinder and the crankshaft centerlines. After careful measuring we > determined the correct offset is .750. This amount of offset was a > complete surprise. > I'll keep adding to this web page and reposting it thru the summer as we > make progress. Hope you will find it as entertaining as Devin and I are. > > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Fri May 6 13:50:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:50:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? Message-ID: <1c8.284711b3.2fad328a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/5/2005 3:50:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << Its a hit and miss Luke. >> Tommy, is it also a 1/2 base engine with a full base underneath the 1/2 base? Looks like a nice engine, the tank is not original, but has a clutch pulley, original guard, etc. Without seeing close up, it appears to be mostly original and worth a few big bucks! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Fri May 6 15:20:38 2005 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (Barry Gorman) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:20:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <002701c55289$dade5c10$c0218b90@userd6162315ba> Yes ! Barry Gorman Glorious Hunter Valley NSW AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rexhinz at chorus.net Fri May 6 15:58:13 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:58:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another One Running References: <1b9.12ffbff8.2fad0b2d@aol.com> Message-ID: <002001c5528f$17efa730$3886a5d8@mycomputer> It starts on the second kick. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > Hi Francis ; You only have to kick it ? Wow you must have a good one, If you threaten it with an axe it may start on its own , Dave Rotigel can help you in that area , I have four of them and I would never ever kick one of them, sombody someday will get totaly drunk and geve me what I invested in them ... :-))) Rex _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 5 14:17:38 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:17:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? References: Message-ID: <001401c551b7$e1553550$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Luke, this engine with serial # A1193E is an early 1907 8 hp tank cooled gasoline engine with a G398 mixer used 1905-14, so it has to be hit-'n-miss. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web International 8 h.p. 'A1193E' Horiz. http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 6 19:34:10 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:34:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <1c8.284711b3.2fad328a@aol.com> References: <1c8.284711b3.2fad328a@aol.com> Message-ID: <427C2922.7030200@scrtc.com> Tom, Yeah, it has the IHC sub base under it. Most of the IHC's used the sub base to make them a "full base" engine. Some of the real early IHC's had a single casting making the full base. Pretty few and far between though. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/5/2005 3:50:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > ><< Its a hit and miss Luke. >> > > Tommy, is it also a 1/2 base engine with a full base underneath the 1/2 >base? Looks like a nice engine, the tank is not original, but has a clutch >pulley, original guard, etc. Without seeing close up, it appears to be mostly >original and worth a few big bucks! > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at mac.com Fri May 6 20:07:38 2005 From: transteck at mac.com (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:07:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- testing new mailbox Message-ID: Hi all, I'm working on moving my mailbox. This is a test and I have added a few pictures for your viewing pleasure. They are at: http://homepage.mac.com/transteck/PhotoAlbum1.html Might have to copy and paste that. Nuff for tonight. Hope this works. Jeff Allen From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri May 6 20:23:57 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:23:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT- testing new mailbox Message-ID: <30.7224e4b9.2fad8ecd@aol.com> Hi Jeff, Nice pictures. What is the white automobile? Is it an electric? Ron In a message dated 5/6/2005 10:20:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, transteck at mac.com writes: Hi all, I'm working on moving my mailbox. This is a test and I have added a few pictures for your viewing pleasure. They are at: http://homepage.mac.com/transteck/PhotoAlbum1.html Might have to copy and paste that. Nuff for tonight. Hope this works. Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 6 21:21:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:21:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT- testing new mailbox In-Reply-To: <30.7224e4b9.2fad8ecd@aol.com> References: <30.7224e4b9.2fad8ecd@aol.com> Message-ID: <427C4241.2070005@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, I'll look through the other photos and see if I have a good shot of what it is. Tonight I was testing the Mac, and the new mail address. I got kicked around pretty good. I took over 100 photos at the museum, and I put up 45 to test the Mac site. Pretty cool stuff once figured out, and the slide show is a nice feature. My favorite is the Big Boy locomotive, and it's hard to shoot that indoors. It's 135 feet long and that's a tough shot indoors, but I love the old steam locomotives. We'll be driving up to Cheyenne, WY to shoot another one this summer. It's outdoors and a better photo op. Time to put this old body in the easy chair and then some zzz's. Thanks for the comments. More pics to come. Jeff Allen MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Jeff, >Nice pictures. What is the white automobile? Is it an electric? >Ron > >In a message dated 5/6/2005 10:20:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >transteck at mac.com writes: > >Hi all, > >I'm working on moving my mailbox. This is a test and I have added a few >pictures for your viewing pleasure. They are at: >http://homepage.mac.com/transteck/PhotoAlbum1.html > >Might have to copy and paste that. Nuff for tonight. Hope this works. > >Jeff Allen > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri May 6 21:41:54 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 00:41:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Snag/Info Needed Message-ID: <1c4.27e3770e.2fada112@aol.com> Hi List, Today was not productive for me. I opened up the crankcase on my second Fairbanks Morse ZD, removed the crankshaft and started to reinstall the replacement crankshaft. Then, I noticed a difference between the two crankshafts. The rod journal on the original measured about 0.995" diameter and the replacement crankshaft rod journal measured 1.125" diameter. This is a difference of about 1/8". All other measurements seem to be in the ball park. One of the previous owners made a replacement flywheel and then welded this new flywheel to the crankshaft. However, he didn't correctly align the flywheel to the crankshaft and the flywheel wobbles. This is the reason why I wanted to change out the flywheel crankshaft assembly. By the way, this welded flywheel has no mark on the rim for timing the magneto. I have been trying to establish a timing mark using the replacement flywheel timing mark as a reference in case I have to reuse this original assembly. The engine from which I obtained the replacement flywheel assembly has a stuck piston. I was considering removing this rod and piston assembly and, then, install this assembly into the restoration engine. I don't know if this will work as I haven't been able to make any measurements in this area. Does anyone know if these parts are interchangeable? Another thing that was surprising was the valve lifter mechanism in the restoration engine is quite a bit different than the other ZD engines that I have. This valve system has a valve lifter cam/follower assembly that swings on a ball like device between the cam and the end of the valves. At this time, I have not have any idea how to adjust the valves on this latter engine. All the data that I have been able to obtain on these engines regarding valve lash adjustment use shims inside a hollow valve cam follower. Can someone help me on how to adjust the valve tip clearance on this engine? >From the serial number, 730331, this engine was built in 1929. There is no dip stick on the restoration engine - the oil filler elbow is mounted on the front of the bottom crankcase. Nor is there a removal seal on the end of the crankshaft opposite the flywheel - it is part of the casting. The oil dipper on the connecting rod is mounted on the front of the connecting rod cap. The connecting rod oil dipper dips into the oil at the bottom of the crankcase. There is no dipper oil retainer box at the bottom of the crankcase. What kind of ZD do I have? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat May 7 01:37:06 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:37:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Check Message-ID: <004501c552df$f3dcddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Thanks very much for the replies, everything back to normal, had a small problem with Ozemail. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat May 7 02:39:34 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 04:39:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FM Z 3hp trouble In-Reply-To: References: <200505041532.j44FW5i8019168@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002a01c5686d$5542c3d0$94426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <001901c5511b$9c984980$4787b4ce@toms> <00f401c551d3$e4da7ac0$1ef5f504@x8h7l9> <003001c551da$ca0fca40$6387b4ce@toms> <002b01c55232$eaf822e0$b9bff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <427C8CD6.2060600@wightman.ca> Hey Tom, Don't knock a Z. :-) I have had more fun with that engine than any other in my collection. Mine is not a pretty engine but runs like a champ and I use it to buzz limbs up for firewood every year. Mine is a 3 hp ignitor model (1917) so I was unable to provide you with an answer. Fairbanks Morse engines are far from the bottom of the barrel. Duncan Tom Smith wrote: > Well, I got a Maytag 72, so I suppose I have two examples of the > bottom of the barrel. > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 6 06:43:44 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:43:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check References: <027501c5523e$1d32ddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <008001c55241$9f410ec0$a65bef18@pengy> Yes I got your post! Rick in Youngstown 9:43 am ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "LISTMAIL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Check > Has anyone got any mail since 11:31am > Cam and Edwina Grundy > Kariong > Gosford 2250 > Australia > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sat May 7 10:02:29 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:02:29 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: Check References: <004501c552df$f3dcddd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <427CF4A5.000001.02772@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Cam got you hear at 09.45 this morning Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: cam grundy Date: 05/07/05 09:49:06 To: LISTMAIL Subject: [SEL] Re: Check Thanks very much for the replies, everything back to normal, had a small problem with Ozemail. Cam Cam and Edwina Grundy Kariong Gosford 2250 Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 11:11:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:11:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me Message-ID: Howdy gang; Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ TIA RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 11:26:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:26:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Herc. pinstriper Message-ID: Thought you all might be interested in the description of this ebay auction. Very possibly could be the gentleman that passed away a few years back. He pinstriped at the Herc. factory, and a few of you have met him. He definetly had "The Touch." ...best pinstriping on a Gal that I've ever seen!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7513467211 Description: You are bidding on my pride and joy! 1 ? HP William Galloway Co. Fan cooled gas engine on original cart with original bent wire pull. I bought this 5 years ago from a gentleman that restored it and had taken it to many engine shows and won 1st prize. This engine is fully operational. The only flaw worth mentioning is that has some paint crazing around the lower housing has occurred. This engine was meticulously restored in the early 80's and hand pin striped by a man that was over 80 years old at the time. He had been pin striping since his youth staring out in an engine factory. I would venture to say that the quality and attention to detail is unequalled. I would not be selling this but my current financial situation warrants me to do so. Buyer will pay for shipping or pick up. This engine is truly a work of art and I have had this inside since I have owned it. As you can see from the pictures this is a one of a kind! I have seen lesser engines sell for over $3,500.00. Email or call with questions. 319-234-5678. NO RESERVE!! Hope ya enjoy RickinMt. PS: Usual disclaimer From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 11:41:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:41:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor References: <427B8293.8080908@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Nice Curt!! So where is http://www.martinsprocket.com/home.htm located? They never give their location. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor > Did a little work last night on the Baker Monitor. > The last 5 frames at the bottom of the page. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat May 7 12:23:49 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:23:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: Message-ID: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site he has a beautiful one. http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html Watch your fingers! John H. > Howdy gang; > > Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ > > TIA > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat May 7 13:05:56 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:05:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050507160456.0dc449f8@mail.alltel.net> At 03:23 PM 5/7/2005, you wrote: >Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? >It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site >he has a beautiful one. >http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > >Watch your fingers! > >John H. Hey John, Fingers are the least of Rick's problem--they don't hang down! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 13:35:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:35:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks John..and Rob and Kelley also!! The download was well worth the wait, and one must wonder what Kelley was telling the kids? Smell? Ya, it smelled just vonerful. It would look great next to the belt driven meat grinder I have...and the gophers are out. Let the huntin' begin!!! later gang RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? > It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site > he has a beautiful one. > http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > > Watch your fingers! > > John H. > > > > > Howdy gang; > > > > Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 13:41:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:41:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6.1.2.0.0.20050507160456.0dc449f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Damn gravity anyway!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > At 03:23 PM 5/7/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? > >It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site > >he has a beautiful one. > >http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > > > >Watch your fingers! > > > >John H. > > Hey John, Fingers are the least of Rick's problem--they don't hang down! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 14:02:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:02:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Reminds me of a story about my bud "TJ." Well TJ didn't like cranking the meat grinder so he installed a v-belt pulley and a motor and away he went. Yup, you guessed it..we call him "Stubby" now..took the first joint off on the social finger. "Go to TJ's house but don't eat the hamburger" is a common saying around here. Same guy shot himself in the foot, quick drawing against himself in a mirror. But his wife and kids luv him:-)) enuf fer now, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: "Corky Harris" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Thanks John..and Rob and Kelley also!! The download was well worth the > wait, and one must wonder what Kelley was telling the kids? > > Smell? Ya, it smelled just vonerful. It would look great next to the > belt driven meat grinder I have...and the gophers are out. Let the > huntin' begin!!! > > > later gang > RickinMt. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > Hi Rick, how badly does it smell??? > > It looks a bone cutter to me, take a look at Rob Skinner's site > > he has a beautiful one. > > http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/bonecutter.html > > > > Watch your fingers! > > > > John H. > > > > > > > > > Howdy gang; > > > > > > Is this in fact a "Green Bone Cutter" : > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/340151460rUSaZZ > > > > > > TIA > > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat May 7 14:26:26 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:26:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050507160456.0dc449f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Hey John, Fingers are the least of Rick's problem--they don't > hang down! > Dave But Dave, What DOES on an engineman who has recently discovered some old iron? Oops... I'm sorry... I thoughtlessly hit the "send" button before thinking that there might be "issues" that would make this an uncomfortable subject. Bob Dole got some pills to fix that. Rick, That's certainly a bone cutter. It looks like a Mann's to me, but she's different than ours. Is she all there? Is she the floor model? If yes to both, she NEEDS to be rescued from the elements. You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They love the hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the greasy bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to the disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings examining glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you convince the kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've come close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. Good luck! Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 7 15:47:17 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story of how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said family car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They love the > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the greasy > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to the > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings examining > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you convince the > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've come > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 7 17:12:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:12:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Will it grind up horns? I could then sell the powder to the ? or keep about a ton for myself, eh? Rob, after I get over the shock of the painted barbie, I/we will definetly try to rescue the bone grinder. I must admit that I was trespassing on this new found "Glory Hole." Anyone got a picture of a 2.5hp hopper cooled horizontal Famous? The hopper that the top slants down to the front? May have found some pieces. Whew, I need a cold shower! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery to me > Hi Rob, > > Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for > when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story of > how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under > the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said family > car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They > > love the > > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the > > greasy > > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to > > the > > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings > > examining > > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you > > convince the > > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've > > come > > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat May 7 20:33:28 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 23:33:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Rick - looking at the photo one of the most important parts is there I wouldn't hesitate in a moment on grabing it. The one Ron and Kelley have is one I picked up in NY. I have another one I found in MN and a Humphry one from MO plus another small one. I saw a different one at the Hudson, NY show that was made in Erie, PA (but it wasn't for sale). These don't actually grind the bone into powder and are called "Bone Cutters". You don't see very many around. I would just guess but at the right auction a good one would bring pretty good money I'll have to see what I have for literture on them. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Will it grind up horns? I could then sell the powder to the ? or keep > about a ton for myself, eh? > > Rob, after I get over the shock of the painted barbie, I/we will > definetly try to rescue the bone grinder. I must admit that I was > trespassing on this new found "Glory Hole." > > > Anyone got a picture of a 2.5hp hopper cooled horizontal Famous? The > hopper that the top slants down to the front? > May have found some pieces. > > Whew, I need a cold shower! > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery to me > > >> Hi Rob, >> >> Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for >> when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story of >> how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under >> the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said family >> car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. >> 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: >> >> > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They >> > love the >> > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle the >> > greasy >> > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional to >> > the >> > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings >> > examining >> > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you >> > convince the >> > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've >> > come >> > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat May 7 20:38:25 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:38:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Flywheel Magneto Timing Mark Question Message-ID: <19d.336a49ab.2faee3b1@aol.com> Hi List, Here I go again. I have two Fairbanks Morse ZD flywheel crankshaft assemblies which are pressed together. The problem I am having is that the flywheel magneto timing mark on the rim are NOT in same relative position on both assemblies. Using the reference tooth (beveled) on the crankshaft (camshaft mating gear) timing gear, one assembly has its timing mark is about 90 degrees clockwise (opposite the rod journal) facing the rear of the flywheel. On the other assembly, the same relative flywheel timing mark is about 195 degree. Which one is correct? One of these assemblies must have been pressed together incorrectly. I don't think that the flywheel could have rotated on the crankshaft. Is there any other procedure (other than using the flywheel timing mark) available to time the magneto? On the bright side, the good thing about finding these discrepancies, it tends to make the gray matter work in an overtime mode. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat May 7 21:04:52 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:04:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Flywheel Magneto Timing Mark Question Message-ID: Hi Francis, Can't you determine top dead center by pulling the plug and sticking a dowel pin in a little ways, wedging it securely, then turning the flywheel gently until the piston touches? Mark a place on the flywheel and then turn the other way until the piston touches again. Mark that place. Halfway between them is top dead center and half way between the going the other way is bottom dead center. You can run a tape around the flywheel, determine the circumference, and with your pocket calculator you can divide the circumference into 360 parts and find the degree distances from TDC that concern you. Once you get this worked out, you are ready to time the magneto to fire at your choice of marks. Once you get it running, I suggest you make new marks using a chisel or punch. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 5/7/2005 10:56:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, FRM8198 at aol.com writes: Is there any other procedure (other than using the flywheel timing mark) available to time the magneto? On the bright side, the good thing about finding these discrepancies, it tends to make the gray matter work in an overtime mode. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From transteck at earthlink.net Sat May 7 21:34:28 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:34:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mothers Day Message-ID: <427D96D4.5040000@earthlink.net> Hi all, Might have come and gone for some on the list, and maybe you don't celebrate it. We do. Chicken on the barbecue and a time to try to pay back. Give your mom a hug, a dinner, or a call. Damn thankful I'll have a house full tomorrow and both of our mothers are still with us. For all you moms: HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!! Jeff From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat May 7 23:53:29 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:53:29 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stainless Steel ? Message-ID: <000501c5539a$a898eab0$629581cb@ogborneuah38i3> We have a project ......the manufacture of a number of 150mm[ 6''] discs. These discs will be to a finished thickness of 2mm. We want a low creep stainless steel . The rotational speed of these discs will be in the vicinity of at least 20,000 rpm, hopefully more.They will be operating at saturated steam temps. Locally we can only obtain 316 and a marine grade. Does any one know the creep characteristics of these two grades . The marine grade is no doubt a Ferritic grade. It may be a case of using what we can get ........there are over 60 grades i am told . As you may gather we are building a steam turbine. I would really appreciate any help from anyone who has some knowledge . Thanks Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 8 00:43:36 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 03:43:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Flywheel Magneto Timing Mark Question Message-ID: <1da.3bb85927.2faf1d28@aol.com> In a message dated 05/07/2005 9:25:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: > Once you get it running, I suggest you make new marks using a > chisel or punch. Thanks Ron Francis From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 07:28:26 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:28:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet to communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a real Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. Cork has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any help dealing with a widow would be appreciated. As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but only at your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) Take Care and thanks again! Rick, with Cork on the side ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Rick - looking at the photo one of the most important parts is there > I wouldn't hesitate in a moment on grabing it. The one Ron and Kelley have > is one I picked up in NY. I have another one I found in MN and a Humphry > one from MO plus another small one. I saw a different one at the Hudson, > NY > show that was made in Erie, PA (but it wasn't for sale). These don't > actually > grind the bone into powder and are called "Bone Cutters". You don't see > very > many around. I would just guess but at the right auction a good one would > bring pretty good money I'll have to see what I have for literture on > them. > > Charlie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > Will it grind up horns? I could then sell the powder to the ? or keep > > about a ton for myself, eh? > > > > Rob, after I get over the shock of the painted barbie, I/we will > > definetly try to rescue the bone grinder. I must admit that I was > > trespassing on this new found "Glory Hole." > > > > > > Anyone got a picture of a 2.5hp hopper cooled horizontal Famous? The > > hopper that the top slants down to the front? > > May have found some pieces. > > > > Whew, I need a cold shower! > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > > >> Hi Rob, > >> > >> Gee, I would have guessed that the "Grand Prize" would be reserved for > >> when the parents come up to you at the NEXT show and relate the story > >> of > >> how little Johnny left his big pile of ground up bone goop tucked under > >> the back seat of the family car. Only to be discovered when said > >> family > >> car took on certain aspects reminiscent of scenes from the Exorcist. > >> 8-)) > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Sat, 7 May 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> > >> > You can have LOADS of fun letting kids grind up bones at shows. They > >> > love the > >> > hands-on aspect and you get Bonus Points if you get them to handle > >> > the > >> > greasy > >> > bone chips. The number of points you earn is directly proportional > >> > to > >> > the > >> > disgusted faces of their parents when they see their little darlings > >> > examining > >> > glop just like the CSI team on tv. You get the Grand Prize if you > >> > convince the > >> > kid that he should bring home a handful of ground up bone goop. I've > >> > come > >> > close, but the prize has thus far proved elusive. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 08:15:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:15:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O/T One the wife on Mother's Day should enjoy Message-ID: Howdy all; Here's one the wife should enjoy on Mother's Day: Crank up the volume http://www.usna54.net/donsong.htm enjoy RickinMt. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat May 7 16:04:31 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:04:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Reminds me of a story about my bud "TJ." Well TJ didn't like cranking the > meat grinder so he installed a v-belt pulley and a motor and away he went. > Yup, you guessed it..we call him "Stubby" now..took the first joint off on > the social finger. "Go to TJ's house but don't eat the hamburger" is a > common saying around here. > Same guy shot himself in the foot, quick drawing against himself in a > mirror. But his wife and kids luv him:-)) > enuf fer now, > RickinMt. Hi Rick, so the rumours we hear about Yanks are actually true? I thought it was all invented. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 8 09:31:36 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:31:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505081631.j48GVf3U097215@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- >Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we >have yet to communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer, >" this guy created a real Goldmine. There are a few gas >engines there mainly in pieces. >We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a >widow. Cork has tried to call her, no answer, left >message, no returned call. Any help dealing with a widow >would be appreciated. >As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic >reading, but only at your convience which is rare this >time of year :-)) >Take Care and thanks again! Rick, with Cork on the side Hi Rick, Ken Christison has some pdf's of bone cutter manuals. Go to his web page at http://www.syrupmakers.com then click on something like "Ken's Hobbies" then click on something like "manuals and catalogs." He has some good stuff. Rob From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun May 8 09:40:40 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:40:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <004701c553ec$acf9da90$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet to > communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a real > Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. > We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. Cork > has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any help > dealing with a widow would be appreciated. > As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but only at > your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) > Take Care and thanks again! > Rick, with Cork on the side Hi Rich, I hope you have better luck than me! A chap a from few miles away showed me a F & J 3 HP that was the same as the one I was showing at a show. (A rare engine in England) There were a few other O/C engines in the yard with sheets over. He told me he had a large shed full of old engines but it wasn't convenient at the time to show me. Within a year he had died & I have rung his widow twice a year for the last 15 years & she always says "Oh yes Mr Croft me must sort that out shortly" Needless to say nothing ever happens! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 8 11:04:20 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:04:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <96e87d7f9ffc76f82a73720e05d1ea30@chartertn.net> >> Same guy shot himself in the foot, quick drawing against himself in a >> mirror. But his wife and kids luv him:-)) I'm thinking it wouldn't've been a whole lot better if he'd shot the mirror. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 11:55:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:55:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <000f01c5533a$4fa7c210$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001c01c55359$21e026a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: No Dave..what you hear is all true...from licking cold swing set pipes in the winter, to falling trees on our new trucks. Course I've never done any of these. We jus steer away from admitting it later, Rick > > Hi Rick, so the rumours we hear about Yanks are actually true? > I thought it was all invented. 8^) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 12:20:36 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:20:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <200505081631.j48GVf3U097215@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Well thanks for the link Rob and thank you Ken for putting it up. "The Laying Hen is the Paying Hen" caught my eye but won't go there on Mothers Day. At least Mann wasn't responsible for Mad Hen disease, but I've been chased by some pretty pi$$ed off ones, missing their heads. Always wondered how they knew where I was ????? later gang RickinMt...and Happy Mothers Day to all you Mothers > > Hi Rick, > Ken Christison has some pdf's of bone cutter manuals. Go to his web page > at > http://www.syrupmakers.com then click on > something > like "Ken's Hobbies" then click on something like "manuals and catalogs." > He > has some good stuff. > > Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 15:22:55 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:22:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bone cutter Message-ID: Here ya go gang: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512640459 RickinMt. From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 8 16:09:22 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 17:09:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bone cutter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427E9C22.3090407@earthlink.net> He has two of em up for sale. Click his other items to see both. Jeff Richard Strobel wrote: >Here ya go gang: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512640459 > >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 8 17:22:11 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050509002211.23493.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave,,, Rick,,,, I urge both of you to proceed with caution,,,, So far I have talked with three different guys that knew a collector about 135 miles north of where I live. He had one-of-a-kind engines and cars made in short numbers in small towns. Over 100 very rare cars and over 200 rare engines. He always was ready to offer advice to other collectors, but he wouldn't EVER sell anything. When he died several guys approched his widow too soon and she called a crusher in and stood there until everything was distroyed!!!! I don't know,,, Maybe she was the one that was the really tight horder all the time. This all happened about 30 years ago, but the folks that knew the man will never forget what was lost. They said that when the guy was asked if he would sell an engine he just would say,"Maybe someday." I really feel that if the wife had died first all those cars and engines would still be someones treasures. Alan Bowen --- Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet to > > communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a real > > Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. > > We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. Cork > > has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any help > > dealing with a widow would be appreciated. > > As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but only at > > your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) > > Take Care and thanks again! > > Rick, with Cork on the side > > Hi Rich, I hope you have better luck than me! > A chap a from few miles away showed me a F & J > 3 HP that was the same as the one I was showing at a show. > (A rare engine in England) > There were a few other O/C engines in the yard with sheets over. > He told me he had a large shed full of old engines but it wasn't > convenient at the time to show me. > Within a year he had died & I have rung his widow twice a year for the last > 15 years & she always says "Oh yes Mr Croft me must sort that out shortly" > Needless to say nothing ever happens! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 8 18:12:38 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:12:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me References: <20050509002211.23493.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe it was in his will to sell everything and give the money to his chippie :-)) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > Dave,,, Rick,,,, > I urge both of you to proceed with caution,,,, > > So far I have talked with three different guys that knew a collector about > 135 miles north of > where I live. He had one-of-a-kind engines and cars made in short numbers > in small towns. Over > 100 very rare cars and over 200 rare engines. He always was ready to > offer advice to other > collectors, but he wouldn't EVER sell anything. When he died several guys > approched his widow too > soon and she called a crusher in and stood there until everything was > distroyed!!!! > > I don't know,,, Maybe she was the one that was the really tight horder all > the time. This all > happened about 30 years ago, but the folks that knew the man will never > forget what was lost. They > said that when the guy was asked if he would sell an engine he just would > say,"Maybe someday." I > really feel that if the wife had died first all those cars and engines > would still be someones > treasures. > > Alan Bowen > > > > > --- Dave Croft wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Strobel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery to me > > > > > > > Thank you Charlie! This site is quite a "Glory Hole" and we have yet > > > to > > > communicate with the owner. Mainly a "Steamer," this guy created a > > > real > > > Goldmine. There are a few gas engines there mainly in pieces. > > > We now know the owner and his son have passed on leaving a widow. > > > Cork > > > has tried to call her, no answer, left message, no returned call. Any > > > help > > > dealing with a widow would be appreciated. > > > As far as the literature goes, it would be fantastic reading, but > > > only at > > > your convience which is rare this time of year :-)) > > > Take Care and thanks again! > > > Rick, with Cork on the side > > > > Hi Rich, I hope you have better luck than me! > > A chap a from few miles away showed me a F & J > > 3 HP that was the same as the one I was showing at a show. > > (A rare engine in England) > > There were a few other O/C engines in the yard with sheets over. > > He told me he had a large shed full of old engines but it wasn't > > convenient at the time to show me. > > Within a year he had died & I have rung his widow twice a year for the > > last > > 15 years & she always says "Oh yes Mr Croft me must sort that out > > shortly" > > Needless to say nothing ever happens! > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Sun May 8 18:51:23 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:51:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mothers Day In-Reply-To: <427D96D4.5040000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks jeff! All I got from my son was to baby sit my 14 year old grandson all week end. I lost my Mother a year ago on May 14th (just a week after Mother's Day last year. Happy Early Father's day to you. Peg Pfeiffer >From: Jeff Allen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Oldengine list , The SEL email >discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Mothers Day >Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:34:28 -0600 > >Hi all, > >Might have come and gone for some on the list, and maybe you don't >celebrate it. We do. Chicken on the barbecue and a time to try to pay back. >Give your mom a hug, a dinner, or a call. Damn thankful I'll have a house >full tomorrow and both of our mothers are still with us. > >For all you moms: > >HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!! > >Jeff > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun May 8 20:02:25 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:02:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me!!!! Message-ID: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks to those of you who are reading this O.T. message. My twin sister gave my younger sister an almost new HP3820 Deskjet Color Printer. She said she could not get it to work on her computer so I told her to bring it to me. I did not have a driver on my pc for it but downloaded one from the HP website and then checked out the printer on my pc and it worked great. I told her to come and get it and she did and she called me tonight and said it would not work on her computer so I loaded up and drove out to her house. The first thing I did was to uninstall the printer driver she had downloaded and re-install the printer driver from the HP website and it installed fine but when you went to print a test page it did nothing. Further troubleshooting revealed that the computer was not recognizing the LPT1 port which was where the printer was assigned to go. I went to "My Computer" right click on properties, went to device manager and discovered that there is no listing in the list for "ports", nothing, no Com Port or LPT1. The USB hub is listed and active but there is no "Ports" listed. Can someone tell me if there is anything I can do to get the computer to list the "ports" in the device manager listing? If I can get the computer to recognize the "ports" I can probably get it to print. Thanks in advance for the help. Paul From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon May 9 03:27:00 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 05:27:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stainless Steel ? In-Reply-To: <000501c5539a$a898eab0$629581cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000501c5539a$a898eab0$629581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <427F3AF4.5040808@wightman.ca> Hi Peter, Try this site. http://www.matweb.com I didn't have time to check but you may find what you are looking for there. Duncan peter ogborne wrote: > We have a project ......the manufacture of a number of 150mm[ 6''] > discs. These discs will be to a finished thickness of 2mm. We want a > low creep stainless steel . The rotational speed of these discs will > be in the vicinity of at least 20,000 rpm, hopefully more.They will be > operating at saturated steam temps. > Locally we can only obtain 316 and a marine grade. Does any one know > the creep characteristics of these two grades . The marine grade is no > doubt a Ferritic grade. It may be a case of using what we can get > ........there are over 60 grades i am told . > As you may gather we are building a steam turbine. I would really > appreciate any help from anyone who has some knowledge . > Thanks > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon May 9 04:28:11 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:28:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal has landed Message-ID: Hi All, got my Regal home today.A nice little day trip to pick it up but a heavy sod to load.By the look of it this engine did very little work as the gears,bearings and rings are like new.It is a shame the head was lost when sent in for repairs 60 years ago but then it is a wonder it never ended up as scrap iron in the next 40 years before my friend got it.It has a 6'' bore so i would presume it to be about 6hp.Does anyone know what the original colour was as my friend cant remember what it was when he got it.He cleaned it down and primed it when he first got.This has protected it fairly well as he lives about 500 yards from the sea and the salt isn't very kind toold iron there wether it be in a shed or outside. Dave in oz _________________________________________________________________ Update your mobile with a hot polyphonic ringtone: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=template&contentType=PolyphonicRingTone From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 9 04:32:51 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:32:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Bone cutter Message-ID: <206.9f424f.2fb0a463@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2005 7:37:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << He has two of em up for sale >> Jeff, >From the looks of the background in the pictures it looks like a good place to walk around and look some more! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Mon May 9 04:36:46 2005 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:36:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re. Mystery to me Message-ID: Rick, Yep it sure looks like a big one, as Charlie said it has that one piece i'm missing. The "patented automatic feed pressure put-er-on-er thingie" that is on the screw above the plate assembly. I'd sure love to get a hold of one of those, maybe even have a copy cast if you pick it up. Here are a few pics of mine. http://community.webshots.com/album/34023214virxLr/2 Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 9 04:55:54 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:55:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Woodworking-Lumber Yard PLayset In-Reply-To: <000d01c551d1$dd07ae50$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Very neat Paul. Nicely done. I like the mustache's on the little guys in the truck. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: "Paul Maples" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Subject: [SEL] O.T. Woodworking-Lumber Yard PLayset >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:23:06 -0500 > >Hello Gang, > >My 10 year old grandson ask me if I would build him a Lumber Yard Playset >so I built him one. I am just posting this so those who want to can look at >the pictures, maybe help pass the time away. I made the little truck to go >with it, my wife did the painting. The little men in the truck were turned >out on my miniature lathe. It is not iron work but is enjoyable none the >less. > >http://client.webshots.com/photo/339195734/339196157yxIDkM > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 9 06:06:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:06:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Green bone and vege cutter Message-ID: Here's another picture if anyones interested: http://community.webshots.com/photo/309986403/341179684FjeQPx RickinMt. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon May 9 09:54:28 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:54:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <003a01c554b7$c5a7e430$230110ac@PAUL> Is the List down? From rotigel at alltel.net Sun May 8 17:03:02 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:03:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mystery to me In-Reply-To: References: <200505072126.j47LQTtX043662@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001101c5537e$b2f93b70$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050508200151.0dc253f8@mail.alltel.net> > Any help dealing with a widow would be appreciated. >Rick, with Cork on the side Hi Rick, It depends a lot on the gal's age. What EXACTLY do you have in mind? Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 9 11:24:26 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:24:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? In-Reply-To: <001401c551b7$e1553550$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the answer. I plan on going to the auction, but we'll see what the other bidders want to run the price up to. My pockets probably won't be deep enough but you never know........ Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================== >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:17:38 +0200 > >Luke, this engine with serial # A1193E is an early >1907 8 hp tank cooled gasoline engine with a G398 >mixer used 1905-14, so it has to be hit-'n-miss. > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > >International 8 h.p. 'A1193E' Horiz. >http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124b.jpg >http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124c.jpg >http://www.albrechtauction.com/auctions/060405/0124a.jpg > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon May 9 11:37:09 2005 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:37:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] TEST Message-ID: <200505091837.j49IbITt093459@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ From FGreatwestern at aol.com Mon May 9 19:14:11 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:14:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Postings from list people Message-ID: <103.612137b3.2fb172f3@aol.com> Haven't seen any postings from list people. Is it just me? Thanks. Fred in MI From FGreatwestern at aol.com Mon May 9 20:01:41 2005 From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:01:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Anyone see this? From marshallman at iprimus.com.au Tue May 10 05:47:36 2005 From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:47:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <005101c5555e$71674fd0$0200a8c0@userrhktdzvtaa> test - no mail for 2 days? Jim 8^) (Old age ain't no place for sissies .....!) From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Tue May 10 06:28:27 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:28:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <001101c55564$274a52c0$8e401fd3@professi0cqjbx> This is only a test as I think I have lost the sel again. Ron Glassby Western Australia From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 10 09:37:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:37:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: Howdy all with Elden on the side. Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: A is connected to the 4 brushes B is connected to one of the field coil winding C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. Pix at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX Tanks much!! RickinMt. From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net Tue May 10 12:06:31 2005 From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> References: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Message-ID: <42810637.3070209@Ntelos.Net> Yp From nick at holden1.net Tue May 10 12:31:36 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:31:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Test References: <001101c55564$274a52c0$8e401fd3@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: <42810C18.000001.02796@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Ron its all just started working again nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Ron Glassby Date: 05/10/05 20:10:01 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Test This is only a test as I think I have lost the sel again. Ron Glassby Western Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005 From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 10 13:30:45 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:30:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sad news Message-ID: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Nick Bettevy passed away Monday night, lung cancer. Nick made the trip to Portland with us 3 times, he was an excellent machinist and mechanic, and a great fellow to be with. He will be missed by those that new him. J.B. Castagnos From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Tue May 10 13:46:40 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:46:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Message-ID: This is the first one since Sunday! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of FGreatwestern at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:02 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Test Anyone see this? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 10 14:18:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:18:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me!!!! In-Reply-To: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> References: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050510141843b37477@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/05, Paul Maples wrote: > Thanks to those of you who are reading this O.T. message. > > My twin sister gave my younger sister an almost new HP3820 Deskjet Color Printer. She said she could not get it to work on her computer so I told her to bring it to me. I did not have a driver on my pc for it but downloaded one from the HP website and then checked out the printer on my pc and it worked great. > > I told her to come and get it and she did and she called me tonight and said it would not work on her computer so I loaded up and drove out to her house. The first thing I did was to uninstall the printer driver she had downloaded and re-install the printer driver from the HP website and it installed fine but when you went to print a test page it did nothing. Further troubleshooting revealed that the computer was not recognizing the LPT1 port which was where the printer was assigned to go. > > I went to "My Computer" right click on properties, went to device manager and discovered that there is no listing in the list for "ports", nothing, no Com Port or LPT1. The USB hub is listed and active but there is no "Ports" listed. > > Can someone tell me if there is anything I can do to get the computer to list the "ports" in the device manager listing? If I can get the computer to recognize the "ports" I can probably get it to print. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Paul Paul: What OS are you using? Try looking under START, SETTINGS, PRINTERS then look at the installed printer in detail. You select the port when the printer is installed. A USB printer is not normally a problem. You can also go into START, SETTINGS, CONTROL PANEL and then look under ADD / REMOVE HARDWARE. You can troubleshoot from there. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 10 14:25:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:25:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605051014255509c11@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > Pix at: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > Tanks much!! > > RickinMt. Looks a bit odd! The four brushes should be equally spaced around the commutator, or you have four missing from the bottom positions. One set of brushes would be positive and the opposite set would be negative, BUT it isn't as simple as that, as you have to have opposite brushes with opposite polarities, UNLESS you have a complex wave-wound rotor, which I doubt. It's an 8-pole machine, so I think there is more to it than meets they eye. The output from the brushes is fed into the field coils via the regulating resistor or hand control. So, you have to sort out first what other brushes should be present. I feel that there are parts missing here, so be careful what you are doing with it until it is established how it SHOULD be connected. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 10 15:16:26 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:16:26 +1000 Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Sad news References: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <02ff01c555ae$2d4d7a90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> He was another really good friend to me. He and his family were the nicest folk you could ever meet. There is a sad place in my heart today. I will never forget the good times we spent together on my trips. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:30 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Sad news > Nick Bettevy passed away Monday night, lung cancer. Nick made the trip to > Portland with us 3 times, he was an excellent machinist and mechanic, and > a great fellow to be with. He will be missed by those that new him. > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 10 18:32:31 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:32:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> References: <1dd.3cf9f60b.2fb17e15@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050510183154.01a88280@mail.pennswoods.net> Nope the power is off here and it did not come through At 08:01 PM 5/9/2005, you wrote: >Anyone see this? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 10 15:39:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:39:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f60251605051014255509c11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Peter, I will look for any evidence of a missing 4 brush set on the bottom...plus these brushes don't have any braided wire hooked into them..huh Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > > > Pix at: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > > > Tanks much!! > > > > RickinMt. > > Looks a bit odd! > > The four brushes should be equally spaced around the commutator, or > you have four missing from the bottom positions. > > One set of brushes would be positive and the opposite set would be > negative, BUT it isn't as simple as that, as you have to have opposite > brushes with opposite polarities, UNLESS you have a complex wave-wound > rotor, which I doubt. It's an 8-pole machine, so I think there is more > to it than meets they eye. > > The output from the brushes is fed into the field coils via the > regulating resistor or hand control. So, you have to sort out first > what other brushes should be present. > > I feel that there are parts missing here, so be careful what you are > doing with it until it is established how it SHOULD be connected. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Tue May 10 17:22:36 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:22:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re. Mystery to me References: Message-ID: <003c01c555bf$8990a640$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Ken, I sent one to a machine shop once and they said it was to complicated to make and would be too expensive. Now my friend in MO, who is a machinist, did make one. I have seen 3 or 4 bone cutters with this piece missing.Tomorrow I will take some photos of mine and if you want to take a look at them and see what you think.I will probably be coming to CT to go to Cool Springs with Don Huschke of Newington Charlie Bryant . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Erman" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: [SEL] Re. Mystery to me Rick, Yep it sure looks like a big one, as Charlie said it has that one piece i'm missing. The "patented automatic feed pressure put-er-on-er thingie" that is on the screw above the plate assembly. I'd sure love to get a hold of one of those, maybe even have a copy cast if you pick it up. Here are a few pics of mine. http://community.webshots.com/album/34023214virxLr/2 Ken Erman Windsor, CT. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/05 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 10 16:21:06 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:21:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <001101c55564$274a52c0$8e401fd3@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: <000701c555b6$f6393400$d09481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Received here Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Glassby" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [SEL] Test > This is only a test as I think I have lost the sel again. > Ron Glassby > Western Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 10 16:33:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:33:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re Stainless Steel Message-ID: <004f01c555b8$a166f5f0$d09481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Duncan for that site ......it will help us with our Tesla Disc Turbine project. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue May 10 18:08:06 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:08:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: <015e01c555c5$e426e640$ef8ff504@x8h7l9> Rick, 1. Try posting on Sparks and Arcs, http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 . Some one might recognize the unit. 2. Look and see if one side of the stator coils is grounded. 3. What kind of engine is it connected to if any? Does the engine run?? 4. I also think that something is missing like a control resister. We could come up with some kind of high power resister with a tap on it to adjust the field current. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Cc: "Elden DuRand" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > Pix at: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > Tanks much!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 10 19:14:59 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:14:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sad news In-Reply-To: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <41dodb$nhndqv@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <42816AA3.8050208@earthlink.net> My condolences to all that knew him. The name is familiar to me though we never met. Jeff Allen jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Nick Bettevy passed away Monday night, lung cancer. Nick made the trip to Portland with us 3 times, he was an excellent machinist and mechanic, and a great fellow to be with. He will be missed by those that new him. >J.B. Castagnos > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue May 10 20:15:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Help - Not Me!!!! In-Reply-To: <6f602516050510141843b37477@mail.gmail.com> References: <02fc01c55443$898a9570$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050510141843b37477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62989.167.142.22.32.1115781346.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Is the port enabled in the BIOS? If not, there is nothing Windows can do as the hardware "wont be there" unless the BIOS makes it there. Make sure it's not disabled or set to something funky. Also make sure the chipset driver for that computer is proper in windows - some computers need the chipset driver for all hardware supported by the chipset to work under windoze. Bill > On 5/9/05, Paul Maples wrote: >> Thanks to those of you who are reading this O.T. message. >> >> My twin sister gave my younger sister an almost new HP3820 Deskjet Color >> Printer. She said she could not get it to work on her computer so I told >> her to bring it to me. I did not have a driver on my pc for it but >> downloaded one from the HP website and then checked out the printer on >> my pc and it worked great. >> >> I told her to come and get it and she did and she called me tonight and >> said it would not work on her computer so I loaded up and drove out to >> her house. The first thing I did was to uninstall the printer driver she >> had downloaded and re-install the printer driver from the HP website and >> it installed fine but when you went to print a test page it did nothing. >> Further troubleshooting revealed that the computer was not recognizing >> the LPT1 port which was where the printer was assigned to go. >> >> I went to "My Computer" right click on properties, went to device >> manager and discovered that there is no listing in the list for "ports", >> nothing, no Com Port or LPT1. The USB hub is listed and active but there >> is no "Ports" listed. >> >> Can someone tell me if there is anything I can do to get the computer to >> list the "ports" in the device manager listing? If I can get the >> computer to recognize the "ports" I can probably get it to print. >> >> Thanks in advance for the help. >> >> Paul > > Paul: > > What OS are you using? > > Try looking under START, SETTINGS, PRINTERS then look at the > installed printer in detail. You select the port when the printer is > installed. A USB printer is not normally a problem. > > You can also go into START, SETTINGS, CONTROL PANEL and then look > under ADD / REMOVE HARDWARE. You can troubleshoot from there. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 10 19:54:10 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:54:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20050510.231903.1320.8.jlb94@juno.com> Well - - - No e-mails all day - - - Then tonight 36 of them. 80 % of them are TESTS !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 10 20:05:46 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:05:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20050510.231903.1320.14.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, All this talk about generators - - - - Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 10 19:46:53 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:46:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Is this engine hit/miss or throttler? Message-ID: <20050510.231903.1320.6.jlb94@juno.com> Use the Force Luke - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 10 20:58:41 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:58:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <41b3n3$v8326b@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - > Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? > > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start charging. J.B. Castagnos From b2 at chooka.net Tue May 10 21:38:34 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:38:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <41b3n3$v8326b@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <007501c555e3$4af8e590$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Bought a John Deere B once with alternator on it, guy before me never could get it to charge. I added a doorbell button up on the dash so I could start the alternator after I started the tractor. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > >> >> Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - >> Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? >> >> > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try > them on tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never > start charging. > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 10 23:48:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:48:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f60251605051014255509c11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050510234876fd0fab@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Thank you Peter, I will look for any evidence of a missing 4 brush set on > the bottom...plus these brushes don't have any braided wire hooked into > them..huh > > Rick They could take the current out through the brush holders, and the tensioning fingers may well carry the current, but that would be a little unusual. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 05:48:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <20050510.231903.1320.14.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: this might help Pip: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/bucketheadsgrotto/onewire.html Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Hi List, > > All this talk about generators - - - - > > Does anyone out ther know how to make a Self Exciting - One Wire - > Alternator - using a GM Alternator ? > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 06:18:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:18:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <015e01c555c5$e426e640$ef8ff504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed; Yes, I've posted on S&A also, and everyone says this is a weird duck. We got this engine from a guy who's had it for many years. It was used to charge the batteries on an ore cart rig at a local silver mine. He says he'll take us up to the mine one of these days. She's a very sweet runner, made by the Universal Motor Co. in Oshkosh, circa 1923ish. I'm wondering if this generator didn't also double as a starter. Evidence on the hand crank handle suggests that it was very seldom started with the crank. I'll get out the DVM and do some ohmin'. Here's the album with the genset: http://community.webshots.com/album/291395326wWDmvi Thanks for the reply, pard!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > > 1. Try posting on Sparks and Arcs, > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 . Some one might > recognize the unit. > > 2. Look and see if one side of the stator coils is grounded. > > 3. What kind of engine is it connected to if any? Does the engine run?? > > 4. I also think that something is missing like a control resister. We > could > come up with some kind of high power resister with a tap on it to adjust > the > field current. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Cc: "Elden DuRand" > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > > > Pix at: > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > > > Tanks much!! > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 11 06:41:44 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <89.26bafa07.2fb36598@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2005 9:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on > tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start > charging. > J.B. Here is an excellent web site that expands on your explanation. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 11 06:44:14 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:44:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20b.bf0006.2fb3662e@aol.com> In a message dated 05/10/2005 9:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on > tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start > charging. > J.B. I failed to indentify the web site. Here it is: www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed May 11 07:42:51 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:42:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, You would expect an eight pole DC machine to have eight brushes spaced evenly around the commutator. They would in turn alternate +,- around so all the + brushes would connect together and all the - brushes would connect together. A valid test would be to separate all connections and energize the field winding with a 12 volt battery. With the machine up to speed you should measure a voltage between any two adjacent brushes. Mark the field wire and brushes that are positive. You would also want to get a current reading through the field winding. If the field is intended to be self-excited, The current at 250 volts should be under 1 amp which would correspond to under 48 milliamps with a 12 excitation. The field current test can be done with the machine no spun up. Be careful when you disconnect the 12 volts from the field as there will be a high voltage back- kick. It is possible your machine only had four brushes originally 2+ and 2- Self excitation connection would be positive field wire to positive brush, negative field wire through rheostat (maybe as large as 250-500 ohms, 250 watts) to negative brush. When you get it up to 250 volts try connecting the positive brushes together and the negative brushes together provided their voltages are equal. check that current between two brushes is zero with no load. I would strongly recommend checking with a megger to 500 volts to make sure all insulation of windings is good before attempting a rated output voltage run. Good luck, Jim Dragoset,NOLA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:38 AM To: sel Cc: Elden DuRand Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Howdy all with Elden on the side. Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: A is connected to the 4 brushes B is connected to one of the field coil winding C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. Pix at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX Tanks much!! RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 11 07:11:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks JB Hmmm - - So it may NOT be in my best interest to go to all the trouble of modifying one ( if I knew how ) and trying to drive it with a farm engine for a display. I was under the assumption that they work like a generator. Everyone I see at car cruises with a "one wire alternator" seems to know NOTHING about them. I guess someone else always does the work. How about using and old generator ? Or - A NEW generator ( if there is such a thing ). Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 11 07:33:57 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:33:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup Message-ID: <20050511.104233.880.4.jlb94@juno.com> http://www.angelfire.com/mo/bucketheadsgrotto/onewire.html Thanks Rick - I had that site before but lost it. I was thinking of running an alternator with a stationary engine for a light display. Maybe an old generator might work. I presently have a Briggs belted up to a GM fan motor and it generates 12 V but I'm asking too much of it. It'll probably burn up one day. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 11 07:59:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:59:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. Rick: It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as easily. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 08:01:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:01:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: Thanks Jim..that was very helpful. I understand what you're talking about. As 250VDC is a very undesirable voltage, can I not hookup..say a 24vdc carbon pile regulator and get the output down to a decent regulated 24vdc. Just possibly the control panel for this gal is still up at the silver mine, which would be the ultimate. Another oddity about the generator is that the brushes do NOT have any braided wire attached to them. Personally I don't like this and hopefully can replace them. It would look and perform better with 8 brushes and holders..will look into fabriating 4 more. I also think I know who's got a megger. Thanks much for the reply RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > You would expect an eight pole DC machine to have eight brushes spaced > evenly around > the commutator. They would in turn alternate +,- around so all the + > brushes > would > connect together and all the - brushes would connect together. > A valid test would be to separate all connections and energize the field > winding with a 12 volt battery. > With the machine up to speed you should measure a voltage between any two > adjacent brushes. > Mark the field wire and brushes that are positive. > You would also want to get a current reading through the field winding. > If the field is intended to be self-excited, The current at 250 volts > should > be under 1 amp > which would correspond to under 48 milliamps with a 12 excitation. > The field current test can be done with the machine no spun up. > Be careful when you disconnect the 12 volts from the field as there will > be > a high voltage back- kick. > It is possible your machine only had four brushes originally 2+ and 2- > Self excitation connection would be positive field wire to positive brush, > negative field wire through rheostat (maybe as large as 250-500 ohms, 250 > watts) to negative brush. > When you get it up to 250 volts try connecting the positive brushes > together > and the negative brushes together provided their voltages are equal. check > that current between two brushes is zero with no load. > I would strongly recommend checking with a megger to 500 volts to make > sure > all insulation of windings is good before attempting a rated output > voltage > run. > Good luck, > Jim Dragoset,NOLA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:38 AM > To: sel > Cc: Elden DuRand > Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > If you can't read the legend on the pix. it's as follows: > > A is connected to the 4 brushes > > B is connected to one of the field coil winding > > C looks like it's connected to the other winding in the field coil. > > Pix at: > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/291395326/342708600ebaRxX > > Tanks much!! > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed May 11 08:08:51 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:08:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <010301c5563b$588ef430$95c87043@D6R3D961> I have seen the one wire alternators forsale in JC Whitney Im not sure its worth the effort to try and build one when they are not the expensive to just buy. I see them used in some marine engines also. Count your time or count your money! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Thanks JB > > Hmmm - - So it may NOT be in my best interest to go to all the trouble > of modifying one ( if I knew how ) and trying to drive it with a farm > engine for a display. > I was under the assumption that they work like a generator. > > Everyone I see at car cruises with a "one wire alternator" seems to know > NOTHING about them. > I guess someone else always does the work. > > How about using and old generator ? > Or - A NEW generator ( if there is such a thing ). > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 08:23:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <20050511.104233.880.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Yea, I would think an old generator would make a better display. Heck at one time I thot of an old engine running a generator that charged a battery that furnished power to an inverter which drove my old Easy electric washing machine. There's a working display at a dam in Wash. state where one peddles a bicycle type gizmo which drives an alternator. Various wattage light bulbs can be switched to increase the load. It's a real eye opener when a hunk jumps on and thinks he can power them all up. Very nice display!!! Also wasn't there an article way back in TMEN where a guy made his kids peddle a bicycle that charged a battery, furnished power to an inverter..hooked to a boob tube? They had to charge the battery before they could watch TV. Whew..that's been a day or two ago. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/bucketheadsgrotto/onewire.html > > Thanks Rick - > I had that site before but lost it. > > I was thinking of running an alternator with a stationary engine for a > light display. > > Maybe an old generator might work. > > I presently have a Briggs belted up to a GM fan motor and it generates 12 > V > but I'm asking too much of it. It'll probably burn up one day. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 11 08:24:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:24:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050511.104233.880.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051108243766e8b3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Thanks JB > > Hmmm - - So it may NOT be in my best interest to go to all the trouble > of modifying one ( if I knew how ) and trying to drive it with a farm > engine for a display. > I was under the assumption that they work like a generator. > > Everyone I see at car cruises with a "one wire alternator" seems to know > NOTHING about them. > I guess someone else always does the work. > > How about using and old generator ? > Or - A NEW generator ( if there is such a thing ). > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. You can get dynamos on ebay or at swap meets, and they are relatively easy to run, and don't need the high rpm that an alternator does. An old 110V DC motor will work as a generator also, and you don't need a lot of wiring or electrickery to make it work, just a decent sized variable wirewound resistor for the field control. Meters etc can always be added later to make up a switchboard. There have been motor and dynamos at Portland and Tulare on all the recent occasions we have been there... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Wed May 11 08:58:04 2005 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bone Cutter Feed Mechanism Message-ID: >> I sent one to a machine shop once and they said it was to complicated to make and would be too expensive. Now my friend in MO, who is a machinist, did make one. I have seen 3 or 4 bone cutters with this piece missing.Tomorrow I will take some photos of mine and if you want to take a look at them and see what you think.I will probably be coming to CT to go to Cool Springs with Don Huschke of Newington<< Thanks Charlie, I'd love to see some pictures and maybe get some measurements. I am fortunate enough to work for a company that creates CAD/CAM software (Mastercam), we have a 3 and a 5 axis machine in the basement. I am bidding on the #9 unit on E-bay as i already have a #7. Unfortunately the #9 unit is missing this piece. Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at mastercam.com. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by McAfee VirusScan for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 09:08:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:08:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > Rick: > > It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > > We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > easily. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 09:07:56 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:07:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You betcha Peter..That's why I would like to use the 24vdc regulator and get the output down to a somewhat safe voltage. 250VDC is a very undesirable and unworkable voltage for me anyway. But you might watch the western horizon for some bizarre "northern light" display. "yup, there goes Rick..letting the smoke out" another one bites the dust, another one bites the dust, and another...how does that song go? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all with Elden on the side. > > > > Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > > > > Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > > Rick: > > It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > > We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > easily. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 11 10:50:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:50:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Rick, You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that part. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? > > > >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Listerdiesel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > >>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: >> >> >>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. >>> >>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) >>> >>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. >>> >>> >>Rick: >> >>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully >>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical >>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! >> >>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to >>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as >>easily. >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed May 11 11:38:16 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:38:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, The twelve volt external excitation may just give you the voltage you're looking for. Keep in mind that a given DC generator voltage output is proportional to both field current and RPM's. Jim -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup Thanks Jim..that was very helpful. I understand what you're talking about. As 250VDC is a very undesirable voltage, can I not hookup..say a 24vdc carbon pile regulator and get the output down to a decent regulated 24vdc. Just possibly the control panel for this gal is still up at the silver mine, which would be the ultimate. Another oddity about the generator is that the brushes do NOT have any braided wire attached to them. Personally I don't like this and hopefully can replace them. It would look and perform better with 8 brushes and holders..will look into fabriating 4 more. I also think I know who's got a megger. Thanks much for the reply RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 12:04:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:04:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: Ok..got it Jim ..thanks Rick PS: why does your name sound so familiar? Did I buy something from you or ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dragoset" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > The twelve volt external excitation may just give you the voltage you're > looking for. > Keep in mind that a given DC generator voltage output is proportional to > both > field current and RPM's. > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > Thanks Jim..that was very helpful. I understand what you're talking > about. > > As 250VDC is a very undesirable voltage, can I not hookup..say a 24vdc > carbon pile regulator and get the output down to a decent regulated 24vdc. > Just possibly the control panel for this gal is still up at the silver > mine, which would be the ultimate. > > Another oddity about the generator is that the brushes do NOT have any > braided wire attached to them. Personally I don't like this and hopefully > can replace them. > > It would look and perform better with 8 brushes and holders..will look > into fabriating 4 more. > > I also think I know who's got a megger. > > Thanks much for the reply > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Dragoset" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:42 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 11 12:08:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:08:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I should have stated that differently, Curt. Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable voltage? Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency sensitive? later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP > inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the > generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the > three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other > the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input > power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a > small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that > is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that > part. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Listerdiesel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. > >>> > >>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > >>> > >>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > >>> > >>> > >>Rick: > >> > >>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > >>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > >>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > >> > >>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > >>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > >>easily. > >> > >>Peter > >>-- > >>Peter A Forbes > >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Wed May 11 12:14:27 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:14:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: Message-ID: <003301c5565d$a8aec360$c3b1123f@oemcomputer> Hi, One wire alternators seem to work fine for me. I have a 12 volt one on my M Farmall and my model A Ford. On the Farmall it drives off the old generator pullley. I put a small pulley on the alternator. All I have to do is rev up about half way and it kicks in. You can take a regular alternator and put a jumper between the two plug in terminals and that works too. Glenn From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Wed May 11 13:13:59 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, The pulsation amplitude of well designed DC generator should be very slight compared to the DC output. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup I should have stated that differently, Curt. Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable voltage? Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency sensitive? later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > Rick, > You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP > inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the > generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the > three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other > the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input > power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a > small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that > is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that > part. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Listerdiesel" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. > >>> > >>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) > >>> > >>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. > >>> > >>> > >>Rick: > >> > >>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully > >>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical > >>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! > >> > >>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to > >>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as > >>easily. > >> > >>Peter > >>-- > >>Peter A Forbes > >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 11 13:14:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:14:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051113143c855d7d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > I should have stated that differently, Curt. > > Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces > pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable > voltage? > > Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency > sensitive? > > later, > Rick Nooooooooo..... It may be pulsating DC whatever that is, but it is NOT pole-reversing AC which is what you need to run into a transformer. What you get from a DC genny is not AC in any sense of the word, so don't be confused by descriptions. DC has a + and a - which are fixed according to the output leads. AC reverses polarity at 50Hz in Europe and 60Hz in the USA. Going back to your question re setting the exitation down to get a lower voltage: The field coils are rated to provide a decent magnetic field for the rated speed and output power of the generator. While you could drop the excitation and reduce the voltage, there are other factors involved. The magnetic gap between the armature and the field coil poles is calculated to give magnetic transference at a certain flux density of the field. If that density is reduced then the gap should in theory be reduced as well. In fact there is a law of diminishing returns here, and the generator will not work properly or even may not control at all once the field input is reduced beyond a certain point. The armature windings are rated for the current of 250V 16A, if you reduce to 110V you can still only pull 16A through those coils, you can't run the field current up to get double the current as the windings won't stand it. Ditto with the brushes. This relates to modern stuff as well: We took a 120kW 110V DC dynamo to India for the Ghandi movie, but it was an 1800rpm machine. The other end of the genny had a 50kW alternator, which the movie lighting people wanted to run at 50Hz because of the HMI lights strobing with the camera shutter, so at 50Hz or 1500rpm we had about 80kW instead of 120kW. The dynamo makers (Mawdesleys) said to close up the field pole gaps and all would be OK, but we hadn't the time or the facilities to do a major soundproof genny strip down. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 11 13:23:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:23:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <428245D0.4060006@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <428269C2.6080308@imc-group.com> Ahh! The short answer is no. You'll just make a nice electric heater out of your step down transformer. As you know power transformers are designed to work on full reversing 60 cycle energy. Your generator is not simply the lower half of 60 cycle power flipped up to give you what would look like 60 cycle single phase rectified power. As you rotate the rotor on your generator 1 full turn you go by dozens of sets of commutator bars. Each one of these produces a short time but true sinusoidal wave form. But there are so many of them when you look at it with a scope all you see is a ripply wave form that is the summation of all these little sinusoidal peaks. That almost pure DC will just nicely heat your transformer windings imparting not a bit of current flow in the secondary. If you really want to use this generator then you could hook like wattage devises in series to split the voltage. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >I should have stated that differently, Curt. > > Could one take the output of this 250VDC generator which produces >pulsating D.C. and hook it into a step-down transformer to a more suitable >voltage? > > Or would I just let the smoke out as I believe they're frequency >sensitive? > >later, >Rick > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:50 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup > > > > >>Rick, >>You can invert it to usable AC. See if you can pick up an old used 5HP >>inverter. That size will be in the ballpark for the kva/kw of the >>generator you have. You'll have to by pass the 6 diodes that convert the >>three phase power input to DC. Just bring your DC power into the other >>the side of the rectifier. Since you will have no reference 60Hz input >>power for the unit to base its max freq off of you may have to build a >>small 60 hz power supply just to keep the electronics straight. But that >>is pretty simple stuff. Find a ham buddy and let him help you with that >>part. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >> >>Richard Strobel wrote: >> >> >> >>>Say..been meaning to ask..Can one transform Pulsating DC? >>> >>> >>> >>>Rick >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Listerdiesel" >>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:59 AM >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On 5/10/05, Richard Strobel wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Howdy all with Elden on the side. >>>>> >>>>> Need some help getting this ole girl excited :-) >>>>> >>>>> Generator rated at 250 VDC @ 16 amps. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Rick: >>>> >>>>It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully >>>>careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical >>>>bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! >>>> >>>>We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to >>>>take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as >>>>easily. >>>> >>>>Peter >>>>-- >>>>Peter A Forbes >>>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Wed May 11 13:36:21 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:36:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> ".................. Rick: It may be worth mentioning that 250V DC can be Lethal, be awfully careful what you are doing and keep both hands away from electrical bits at a time, or one in your pocket at least! We've been running a big 600V DC charger here recently, and had to take a lot of precautions, but 200-250V DC will kill you just as easily. Peter............." As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our house elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary generators on a government experimental farm. I got my hand wrapped around a lamp socket one time, and could do NOTHING but dance at random. Just danced around the room until I accidentally (but happily!!!) unplugged the damned thing. I had socks on, and my feet were at least moist (it was HUMID there). My older brother, Paul, had made thatlamp, and I remember yet today when he bought the cord for it, there was only a little left on the spool----say, maybe 15 feet. He said..."Well, that is a longer cord than I need, but I will take all that is left, and I will be able to put the lamp anywhere in the room I want!!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 13:59:44 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511205945.9039.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Guys, On Ebay right now is an alternator remfg. and they state it will self start at 5-600 RPM don't know if they have done somethink to it or not. Take a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7974001886&category=33573 Ron FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 05/10/2005 9:13:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: > All it takes is a regulator that's self exciting. They have to spin up > pretty good to excite, won't start charging at idle. I've seen people try them on > tractors, small crank pulley and low rpm motors, they would never start > charging. > J.B. Here is an excellent web site that expands on your explanation. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed May 11 16:09:29 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:09:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD Update Message-ID: <203.1694f05.2fb3eaa9@aol.com> Hi List, Today, I was able to get my second Fairbanks Morse ZD started. As I stated before, the flywheel didn't have any timing marks for magento timing. With the help I received from list members, I finally determined how to find top dead center. With this information, timing the magneto was easy. By the way, this flywheel has now been marked for magneto timing. Without the help I received, proceeding on this project would have been more difficult. Thanks again, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 10 18:45:06 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:45:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL In-Reply-To: <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, When the List is down you will not receive anything from the List. Your post to the List asking if the List is down will also not go through until the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a "test" to the List to see if it's down your "test' will not appear until the List is back up.If you do not receive anything from the List for 24/36 hours you can assume that the list is down and that it will do no good to send something to the List to see if it's up! If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand what I'm saying please contact me off List and I'll try to go into more detail! Dave From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed May 11 18:17:31 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:17:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us><428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <006701c55690$5f23fac0$0301a8c0@Cam> Is it up or down Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL > > Hi All, > When the List is down you will not receive anything from the List. Your > post to the List asking if the List is down will also not go through until > the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a "test" to the List to see > if it's down your "test' will not appear until the List is back up.If you > do not receive anything from the List for 24/36 hours you can assume that > the list is down and that it will do no good to send something to the List > to see if it's up! If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to > understand what I'm saying please contact me off List and I'll try to go > into more detail! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 11 18:55:17 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:55:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, You are able to explain things to democrats in a manner they would understand? I didn't think that was possible. Jeff Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Hi All, > When the List is down you will not receive anything from the List. > Your post to the List asking if the List is down will also not go > through until the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a "test" > to the List to see if it's down your "test' will not appear until the > List is back up.If you do not receive anything from the List for 24/36 > hours you can assume that the list is down and that it will do no good > to send something to the List to see if it's up! If you are a > democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand what I'm saying > please contact me off List and I'll try to go into more detail! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 11 20:01:40 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:01:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley Message-ID: <20050512030125.WDMH10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Just to prove that there is still life in the engine world ;) Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott and fitted it to the engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/05050802.JPG It finishes off the engine nicely. I also did some investigation into my Massey-Harris is not governing properly and found that it has a butterfly that is not sealing properly. A job for another day. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh/05050803.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed May 11 21:20:10 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:20:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley Message-ID: Nice job Patrick, i agree a pulley gives an engine that finished look and shows the public how they were used to drive the various equipment they were designed to drive. Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:01:40 +1000 > >Just to prove that there is still life in the engine world ;) >Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott >and fitted it to the engine: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/05050802.JPG >It finishes off the engine nicely. >I also did some investigation into my Massey-Harris is not governing >properly and found that it has a butterfly that is not sealing properly. A >job for another day. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/mh/05050803.JPG > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 12 00:42:13 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:42:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement in Australia!!! Message-ID: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian farms . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy earner for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 to Fire Brigades for every tonne collected. York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon i have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying around''. Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some restorer would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what else is out there ? From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 12 00:54:57 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:54:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: TOMM Reply - Oz References: <001a01c556c7$4366ac10$5ba01fd3@morris> Message-ID: <002d01c556c7$e7040c50$5ba01fd3@morris> Sorry you have to come through the front door http://www.TOMM.com.au/ > Kerry From guitronics at comcast.net Thu May 12 02:10:16 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:10:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42831D78.2020800@comcast.net> Michael P. Koryciak wrote: I have to agree with Jeff...too much "Conditioning" has occurred in their lifetimes to break away from.Reminds me of "the Moonie's" Cult. Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Dave, > > You are able to explain things to democrats in a manner they would > understand? I didn't think that was possible. > > Jeff > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> When the List is down you will not receive anything from the >> List. Your post to the List asking if the List is down will also not >> go through until the List is back up. Additionally, if you send a >> "test" to the List to see if it's down your "test' will not appear >> until the List is back up.If you do not receive anything from the >> List for 24/36 hours you can assume that the list is down and that it >> will do no good to send something to the List to see if it's up! If >> you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand what I'm >> saying please contact me off List and I'll try to go into more detail! >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu May 12 02:25:36 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: TOMM Reply - Oz References: <001a01c556c7$4366ac10$5ba01fd3@morris> <002d01c556c7$e7040c50$5ba01fd3@morris> Message-ID: <001501c556d4$8f69d3a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: TOMM Reply - Oz > Sorry you have to come through the front door http://www.TOMM.com.au/ > > Kerry Never mind Kerry, at least you succeeded in getting me to sign into the TOMM forum list. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 12 03:57:15 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:57:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo show motel reservations Message-ID: <051220051057.29315.4283368B0002CC710000728321979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Need an updated list of folks needing motel reservations for Baraboo show as I heard yesterday that I should try to lock in the rooms soon or loose out on getting the group in the Four Winds Motel. Please respond and let me know. thanks, Curt Andree From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 12 04:08:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:08:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. Message-ID: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. Will load it together with the HSCS engine this afternoon for the International Engine Rally at Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 04:59:31 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:59:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Message-ID: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2005 9:27:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to understand >> Hi Dave, I am not a democrat, but have often said I was one of the dumbest white man you will ever meet. However, I did not post a "test" to the list. Maybe I am getting smarter and did not realize it. Thanks for the dissertation! Have a nice day! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 05:03:06 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:03:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley Message-ID: <1c6.287b7961.2fb49ffa@aol.com> In a message dated 5/11/2005 11:41:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott and fitted it to the engine >> Patrick, Nice looking engine. What type of wheels with the caps are they on the cart? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 05:12:52 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:12:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. Message-ID: In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:46:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << here a pair views of my latest finished toy >> Hi John, As usual your workmanship is beautiful and well thought out! What is the funnel shaped item on top of the M hopper? I have to get out one of my M's today to get ready for our show weekend after this. Stonewall Antique Power Association show, May 21/22, Concord, Va. Everyone welcome. No charges for exhibitors, not required to join club, one rope safety lanes. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 11 20:32:14 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:32:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com> <200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050511233043.0df00df8@mail.alltel.net> >As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our house >elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary generators on a >government experimental farm. I got my hand wrapped around a lamp socket >one time, and could do NOTHING but dance at random. Just danced around the >room until I accidentally (but happily!!!) unplugged the damned thing. I >had socks on, and my feet were at least moist (it was HUMID there). >Gene WOW Gene, That must have been a real TRIP! Did you live? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 11 20:28:29 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704711616@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <428103A0.5060803@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050510213525.0dd45658@mail.alltel.net> <4282B785.1090005@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050511231834.0dda7cf0@mail.alltel.net> At 09:55 PM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >You are able to explain things to democrats in a manner they would >understand? I didn't think that was possible. > >Jeff Hi Jeff, My wife, who now chairs the Department of Professional Studies at IUP, taught special education students (read that STUPID students) when I first met her. That was 30 years ago and I really thought those stupid-assed students could not learn a thing. Jennie, however, taught me how they could be taught basic skills, such as how NOT to piss on the floor. The same techniques work on most democrats! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 12 06:20:41 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:20:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. In-Reply-To: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050512132025.ILKR10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> You have done an excellent job (as usual) John. The M looks fantastic :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. Will load it together with the HSCS engine this afternoon for the International Engine Rally at Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu May 12 06:24:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:24:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. References: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: She looks mighty fine John. Very unique and fun to watch, I'll bet. Seems like just the other day we were looking at pictures of the cart and look at her now. "Always dazzled by your work" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. > Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. > Will load it together with the HSCS engine this > afternoon for the International Engine Rally at > Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start > tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. > Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu May 12 06:50:39 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:50:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42835F2F.3070506@imc-group.com> Tom, That funnel is exactly that..... a funnel. It is an IHC option that was apparently available everywhere except where the M's were built! We saw many M's in Oz with the funnel attached. I thought they were pretty neat and it was the first time I had ever seen one. The Oz M's also have a different tag on the top of the hopper. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Hi John, > >As usual your workmanship is beautiful and well thought out! What is the >funnel shaped item on top of the M hopper? I have to get out one of my M's today >to get ready for our show weekend after this. > >Stonewall Antique Power Association show, May 21/22, Concord, Va. Everyone >welcome. No charges for exhibitors, not required to join club, one rope safety >lanes. > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 12 06:57:16 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:57:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Pulley In-Reply-To: <1c6.287b7961.2fb49ffa@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050512135716.IYIZ10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Tom, I do not know exactly what the wheels are off. I think they are off an implement of some sort (scarifier or something). They are not engine wheels but they work :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- In a message dated 5/11/2005 11:41:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: << Last weekend I finally finished painting the pulley for my 5.5hp Buzacott and fitted it to the engine >> Patrick, Nice looking engine. What type of wheels with the caps are they on the cart? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu May 12 07:27:00 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:27:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL In-Reply-To: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> References: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> Message-ID: <428367B4.8010408@scrtc.com> Hey Dave let's lump em all in there. I think you need to add after your statement below "or are a Republican and can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie and deny you've ever made a test post". Hey, its only right as I was recently reading my copy of the Newt's "Contract with America". It says "Term Limits for Congress" wow, what a lie. Once there, they simply "changer their mind". Then the biggest lie of all "Balanced Budget". I think you can say (when talking about Congress mind you) "A Republican never saw a dollar they didn't want to spend" It used to be a label reserved for Dems. Fits those with the R quite well now. Then of course we can look at Newt and his rightful condemnation of some of Bills acts. Newt forgot to mention though that he had a gal on the side as well who had worked in his office (we found out about that later), or at the same time the (married) Republican congressman from Indiana who stood up for the sanctity of the family on the House floor who later had to admit he had a couple of illegitimate kids from an affair. Or, the gent from LA who was to take Newt's place but then had to back out after his lover admitted their affair and Illegitimate child. It goes on and on. Say "Stupid Democrats" if you want, say "Lying Democrats" if you want but in the same breath you should say "Stupid Republicans and Lying Republicans". The labels fit equally well. An Independent like me can make these comments....... Enough of my political soapbox as it shouldn't be on the list... No more from me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ><< If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to > understand >> > > From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu May 12 09:11:32 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:11:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup References: <6f602516050511075944c63401@mail.gmail.com><200505112036.j4BKaKv27153@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050511233043.0df00df8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c5570d$44f07d90$ea007643@D6R3D961> Is that where break dancing came from???? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca > >>As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our >>house >>elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 12 10:00:20 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:00:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL now OT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050511231834.0dda7cf0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200505121700.j4CH0LQn031669@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rotigel > My wife > taught special education students (read that STUPID > students) when I first met her. > I really thought those stupid-assed students could not > learn a thing. Jennie, however, taught me >how NOT to piss on the floor. Hi Dave, I wondered how you managed to bag as fine a gal as Jennie. You must have posed quite a challenge. I'm very glad that she was eventually successful in turning you around. Linoleum throughout the house is SO unpleasant on the feet on a cold winter morning. From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu May 12 12:07:12 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:07:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Generator hookup In-Reply-To: <00aa01c5570d$44f07d90$ea007643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <200505121907.j4CJ7E4v022056@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Damn right!!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger DiRuscio Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:12 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Generator hookup Is that where break dancing came from???? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca > >>As a 11-12 yr old, my family lived in a remote area in Peru, SA. Our >>house >>elec was 250 DC, diesel generated by large stationary _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 12 00:50:23 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:50:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz References: Message-ID: <001a01c556c7$4366ac10$5ba01fd3@morris> G'Day All For a good laugh check out TOMM "Old Machinery Forums" NHMA Insurance. A simply question from Paul Pavlinovich about Insurance company sees TOMM part of the cover up, many posts no answer to his question. If an individual cannot talk directly to the insuruer something is wrong http://www.tomm.com.au/forums Kerry From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 12 14:00:45 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:00:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia Message-ID: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt very despondent about the future of our hobby. Things have not changed . What all this is about is the unprecedented hunger for scrap steel by China . I can understand farmers who have a lot of old scrap that has been lying around for ever trying to make some cash from the sale of it . Unfortunately there is going to be included in that scrap the sort of things that we collect and restore and then display to the public . The development of China and it's manufacturing industries ,the affect on the rest of the world especially the large manufacturing countries ,i.e. the US and Europe will be devastating. My country ,Australia may be OK but only as a quarry ,a source for raw material but never again as a manufacturer .This side of things died years ago , but the US will suffer or probably is now suffering ,just look around you and see how many things are now made in China. The cheap labour costs and their demand as a consumer is frightening!This is of course progress...........not much we can do about it . I do feel sorry for those of us who are new to this hobby ,it will now be so much more difficult to ''Find'' the beautiful old engine in some farmers paddock or shed . The value of engines will rise ,nothing will be given away . When i think back to when a friend and i found a almost Compleat 1904 Ruston Proctor portable steam engine. It was given to us by a farmer who in past years had sold the engine to a scrap merchant twice , it had never been collected . That engine is now perfectly restored and is shown to the public regularly .That farmer saw the engine in it's restored state before he died ,he was so glad that he had given it to us and the scrap merchant had found it too difficult to collect . I can only implore those who have ''scrap '' to consider we restorers before you sell it to the Scrapie . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 15:16:01 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:16:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia Message-ID: <155.508ce2d5.2fb52fa1@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/2005 5:26:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jopeter at omninet.net.au writes: << ,just look around you and see how many things are now made in China >> Yes, cheap is the word from China. I recently bought a 3/4 pipe floor flange from the local Lowes, and after getting it home and threading a pipe into it, it looked like the "Leaning tower of Pisa". Back to Lowes and had to go thru 1/2 dozen before finding one that was threaded straght! So much for cheap China junk! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 12 15:18:06 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:18:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz Message-ID: In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: << http://www.tomm.com.au/forums >> Kerry, Will not allow me access to it. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Thu May 12 15:42:40 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:42:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. In-Reply-To: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, What a great looking restoration. It is a credit to you and I do hope you get some good weather for Nuenen. Don't foget to get some good rally photos for us all to view. Regards Lyndsay >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stat.eng.org" , "SEL" > >Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:08:31 +0200 > >Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. >Will load it together with the HSCS engine this >afternoon for the International Engine Rally at >Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start >tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. >Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg > >Regards, >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 12 16:14:13 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:14:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. References: <000701c556e2$f2ef16c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001301c55748$51f500c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Absolutely gorgeous!!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: [SEL] Finished new toy. > Hi All, here a pair views of my latest finished toy. > Will load it together with the HSCS engine this > afternoon for the International Engine Rally at > Nuenen this coming long weekend. We start > tomorrow and will be back Tuesday. > Hope for good and sunny weather :o)) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/compressunit2.jpg > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Thu May 12 16:31:43 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:31:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz Message-ID: <1f5.9a02226.2fb5415f@aol.com> Hi Tom, You can go to http://www.TOMM.com.au and then click the forum link. I've subscribed to TOMM for about 5 years, and I think it's a great magazine. Hope to see ya at Concord, on the 21st :o) Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 12 17:17:01 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:47:01 +0930 Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz References: Message-ID: <000d01c55751$2fb18de0$c7ce8890@chaos> http://www.tomm.com.au/forums/phpBB2/index.php ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz > In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: > > << http://www.tomm.com.au/forums >> > > > Kerry, > > Will not allow me access to it. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 12 21:29:58 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:29:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia In-Reply-To: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <42842D46.6060109@earthlink.net> Peter, You are damn lucky that some will still give away engines in OZ. I have never been offered anything for free here, and have been willing to pay a fair price for what many consider scrap. Many times I have paid more than I should have to rescue old iron. My choice. Get your mates to get off their collective asses and purchase just over scrap price if you want to save it. You will still be getting a bargain, and it will not be going to China. The scrap man is just trying to make a living. We can't save all of it! There are only so many of us that care about saving this. With limited space and budgets we will have to watch some of it go to scrap. My brother and I ran an auction business for a time. One estate auction had over 200 antique cars and it broke my heart to see some of them go. The scrap man was there and purchased about 30% of the cars to send to the crusher. The 1949 Studebaker convertible was one of them. It's gone. I didn't and still don't have the space to rescue what I would like to. That is the real world. If you have the space, time, and money to rescue all of this then get off your ass and do it. Jeff Allen peter ogborne wrote: > When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt very > despondent about the future of our hobby. Things have not changed . > What all this is about is the unprecedented hunger for scrap steel by > China . I can understand farmers who have a lot of old scrap that has > been lying around for ever trying to make some cash from the sale of > it . Unfortunately there is going to be included in that scrap the > sort of things that we collect and restore and then display to the > public . The development of China and it's manufacturing industries > ,the affect on the rest of the world especially the large > manufacturing countries ,i.e. the US and Europe will be devastating. > My country ,Australia may be OK but only as a quarry ,a source for raw > material but never again as a manufacturer .This side of things died > years ago , but the US will suffer or probably is now suffering ,just > look around you and see how many things are now made in China. The > cheap labour costs and their demand as a consumer is frightening!This > is of course progress...........not much we can do about it . > > I do feel sorry for those of us who are new to this hobby ,it will now > be so much more difficult to ''Find'' the beautiful old engine in some > farmers paddock or shed . The value of engines will rise ,nothing will > be given away . When i think back to when a friend and i found a > almost Compleat 1904 Ruston Proctor portable steam engine. It was > given to us by a farmer who in past years had sold the engine to a > scrap merchant twice , it had never been collected . That engine is > now perfectly restored and is shown to the public regularly .That > farmer saw the engine in it's restored state before he died ,he was > so glad that he had given it to us and the scrap merchant had found it > too difficult to collect . > I can only implore those who have ''scrap '' to consider we restorers > before you sell it to the Scrapie . > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 12 21:46:14 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:46:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photo database Message-ID: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> Hi all, I look at the wonderful pictures we all share.Any thoughts on making an online database of the pictures? One online source to look for pictures of engines and perhaps the variations from one country to the other. All comments welcome on this insane idea. Jeff Allen From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 12 22:22:26 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:22:26 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Finished new toy Message-ID: <002001c5577b$c3f2f280$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thank you all for the kind words on and off list re my new toy, it's much appreciated. In a few minutes we will leave from home and take the "interstate" to the south. As usual have the camera on board, so the pictures of the European engines can be seen the next week. Thanks again, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 12 22:59:20 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:59:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Photo database In-Reply-To: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200505130559.j4D5xMiU044810@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I look at the wonderful pictures we all share.Any thoughts > on making an > online database of the pictures? One online source to look > for pictures > of engines and perhaps the variations from one country to the > other. All > comments welcome on this insane idea. Hi Jeff, Have you seen Ken Christison's picture database? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu May 12 23:34:24 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:34:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia In-Reply-To: <002901c55735$aeb7c710$f09d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <200505130634.j4D6YQPn053084@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt > very despondent about the future of our hobby. Peter, While I've not been to Oz and my perspective is clouded by my limited American experience, I'm still very sceptical of your media's reporting. Do you REALLY have three billion pounds of collectible iron ready to go to the smelter? We have junk yards with who-knows-how-many-tons of old equipment, but most of it you'd not haul away if it was given to you for free. If in fact there are 3,000,000,000 pounds of old sideshaft engines ready to get melted down, please set aside a few dozen tons for me. I'll gladly pay double the scrap price and will toss in a case of California style ale. >,just look around you and see how many things are > now made in China. The cheap labour costs > and their demand as a consumer is frightening! Come join us on the Slick Willy List, where we love to toss around ideas like these. If you're the sensitive sort who gets mopey over the exchange of diverse ideas, it might not be for you. > The value of engines will rise ,nothing will be given away Should collectors get valuable engines for free? Is that not taking advantage of the ignorant seller? I'm sure there are theologians among us who can offer council on whether to offer a poor widow a fair price, or to offer a ridiculously low price in an attempt to decieve the seller. Good luck saving all the good stuff. Rob From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu May 12 09:12:52 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:12:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL References: <144.45203295.2fb49f23@aol.com> <428367B4.8010408@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003901c5570d$7327b2a0$f1830b43@satx.rr.com> typical democrat whining...zzzzz... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL > Hey Dave let's lump em all in there. I think you need to add after your > statement below "or are a Republican and can't tell the difference > between the truth and a lie and deny you've ever made a test post". > Hey, its only right as I was recently reading my copy of the Newt's > "Contract with America". It says "Term Limits for Congress" wow, what a > lie. Once there, they simply "changer their mind". Then the biggest > lie of all "Balanced Budget". I think you can say (when talking about > Congress mind you) "A Republican never saw a dollar they didn't want to > spend" It used to be a label reserved for Dems. Fits those with the R > quite well now. Then of course we can look at Newt and his rightful > condemnation of some of Bills acts. Newt forgot to mention though that > he had a gal on the side as well who had worked in his office (we found > out about that later), or at the same time the (married) Republican > congressman from Indiana who stood up for the sanctity of the family on > the House floor who later had to admit he had a couple of illegitimate > kids from an affair. Or, the gent from LA who was to take Newt's place > but then had to back out after his lover admitted their affair and > Illegitimate child. It goes on and on. Say "Stupid Democrats" if you > want, say "Lying Democrats" if you want but in the same breath you > should say "Stupid Republicans and Lying Republicans". The labels fit > equally well. An Independent like me can make these comments....... > Enough of my political soapbox as it shouldn't be on the list... No > more from me. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > ><< If you are a democrat, and therefore too stupid to > > understand >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 00:53:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:53:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement in Australia!!! In-Reply-To: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/05, peter ogborne wrote: > This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that > could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. > Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by > Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian farms > . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks > ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy earner > for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 to Fire > Brigades for every tonne collected. > York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon i > have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying around''. > Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do > BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the > story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some restorer > would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what else is out > there ? > I should let them take the fencing, Peter.... Aside from that, it's the same as has always been, let the Ozzies put their money up and buy the stuff instead of it going to the scrap man. Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 13 01:37:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:37:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement inAustralia!!! References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> There is a lot of misunderstanding on this point IF a lump of old iron or whatever is a part of a significant heritage site, THEN it MIGHT be considered as something that should stay here. All our privately owned treasures, junk, etc. is OUR private property and in 99.99% of cases, does not come into the range of the Govt. policy. Of course, the bastards will try and get taxes and anything else they can out of your pocket!! That is a worldwide legal ripoff practiced with consumate skills by the Beaurocrats. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > I should let them take the fencing, Peter.... > > Aside from that, it's the same as has always been, let the Ozzies put > their money up and buy the stuff instead of it going to the scrap man. > > Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' > machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly it cannot > 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an export licence as I > understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only countries that I am aware of > that have these restrictions on old iron. > > Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 02:44:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:44:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement inAustralia!!! In-Reply-To: <01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com> <01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f602516050513024455731c5e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > There is a lot of misunderstanding on this point > IF a lump of old iron or whatever is a part of a significant heritage site, > THEN it MIGHT be considered as something that should stay here. > > All our privately owned treasures, junk, etc. is OUR private property and in > 99.99% of cases, does not come into the range of the Govt. policy. > Have there been any documented cases in this matter, Reggie? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 13 03:31:09 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:31:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3><6f602516050513005314d9d80e@mail.gmail.com><01f901c55797$24e569e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f602516050513024455731c5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <020201c557a6$e2435ba0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I dont know of any but, there was a hell of a bleat session when a steam engine was taken to UK. Nobody in NZ was prepared to put up the money to restore it so it went to an English restorer who spent megsbucks doing it. That didnt stop the moaners in NZ though. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! > On 5/13/05, R & M Ingold wrote: >> There is a lot of misunderstanding on this point >> IF a lump of old iron or whatever is a part of a significant heritage >> site, >> THEN it MIGHT be considered as something that should stay here. >> >> All our privately owned treasures, junk, etc. is OUR private property and >> in >> 99.99% of cases, does not come into the range of the Govt. policy. >> > > Have there been any documented cases in this matter, Reggie? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 13 08:16:27 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:46:27 +0930 Subject: [SEL] tangye in NZ Message-ID: <000f01c557ce$bc4e6160$c7ce8890@chaos> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Other/auction-27127484.htm From christison at coastalnet.com Fri May 13 08:20:06 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:20:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Photo database Message-ID: <410-22005551315206484@coastalnet.com> Jeff, I think the database idea is a great one, but one which requires a lot of time and frustration. My engine picture links page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/links/ was a somewhat feeble attempt at a database, though not very well indexed or categorized. The beginning of the demise of my page was Photopoint. A lot of folks were using it and when it went under, people went to various other similar services, and just didn't have the time to follow up on all of them. I have gotten so busy with my syrupmaking and gristmilling pages that the picture links page has really been neglected. I personally visited each of the pages that are indexed and did the listings. The frustrating part is that many of the engines pictured on the web are not ID'd, thus either requiring the indexer to be a real expert at identification, or simply to ignore them which is tough. Don Siefker's page is indexed in a useful manner, though not cross-indexed as perhaps a true database should be. http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/ Just a few thoughts... Ken > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Allen > To: Oldengine list > Cc: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 5/13/2005 1:01:48 AM > Subject: [SEL] Photo database > > Hi all, > > I look at the wonderful pictures we all share.Any thoughts on making an > online database of the pictures? One online source to look for pictures > of engines and perhaps the variations from one country to the other. All > comments welcome on this insane idea. > > Jeff Allen From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 08:28:18 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:28:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: Howdy from rainy Mt.: Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the recovery of a big engine on the ground. Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or engines on trucks could be a real PITA. Comments please RickinMt. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri May 13 08:53:58 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:53:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: Message-ID: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> What is a roll-back trailer? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a roll-back > gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the recovery of a big > engine on the ground. > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or engines on > trucks could be a real PITA. > > > Comments please > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 09:21:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:21:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: They make'um Jim. I've been assured of that by a reputable engine nut back east. But google doesn't show anything yet. I guess it would operate like a rollback truck bed. Like used nowdays for recovering vehicles and seen at NASCAR. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > What is a roll-back trailer? > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:28 AM > Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > > > > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a roll-back > > gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the recovery of a > > big > > engine on the ground. > > > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or engines on > > trucks could be a real PITA. > > > > > > Comments please > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri May 13 09:49:19 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:49:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement inAustralia!!! Message-ID: > Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' > machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly > it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an > export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only > countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. > Peter A Forbes Peter, The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of the country. When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official paperwork on stating it could be exported. I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making supplemental income as part of their job. George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 13 10:15:22 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:15:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a > roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the > recovery of a big engine on the ground. > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or > engines on > trucks could be a real PITA. Hi Rick, Do you mean a "tilt-bed trailer?" A lot of guys have 'em and like 'em. Some are gravity powered, some have a buffer system, others are hydraulically powered. The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. It's hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No tilt. Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the deck and you can easily load multiple engines. You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the tilt bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri May 13 10:22:15 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:22:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <009801c557d3$fb2bb9f0$d74d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4284E247.7060608@scrtc.com> Jim, Roll back is somewhat of a generic term that applies to trucks, trailer, etc. in which the bed will "roll back" toward the rear of the unit and then tilt. The purpose for rolling back is to lessen the slope of the bed when loading. My dad used to have a straight tilt flat bed and a roll back at his business. I didn't mind sitting on a tractor being loaded on the roll back as it was a gentle slope. The straight tilt though looked like I was climbing a mountain. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > What is a roll-back trailer? > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri May 13 10:41:24 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050513174124.53899.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Here are a few links to ponder... http://www.lift-a-load.com/ http://www.americanrollback.com/ http://www.rollbacktrailers.com/ http://www.automaticrollback.com/ http://www.hhtrailer.com/ http://www.landoll.com (for those who want a real trailer to pull behind a real truck.... Steve --- Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a > > roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the > > recovery of a big engine on the ground. > > > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or > > engines on > > trucks could be a real PITA. > > Hi Rick, > Do you mean a "tilt-bed trailer?" A lot of guys have 'em and like 'em. > Some > are gravity powered, some have a buffer system, others are hydraulically > powered. > > The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. > It's > hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No > tilt. > Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the > deck and > you can easily load multiple engines. > > You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the > tilt > bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 10:50:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:50:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Yea Rob..I've seen dump trailers, tilt trailers, and maybe the one you're thinking of a "Sliding axle" trailer. Unlock some pins, set the trailer brakes, pull forward and the axle(s) slide forward leaving the back on the trailer on the ground. Not sure how one puts it back for trailering. But I've never seen a rollback trailer, but thot I'd ask, living where I do as we're lucky to have push button telephones:-)) And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. But the ultimate trailer that I'd like to build would have 4-6 vertical hydraulic cylinders..get to the show, pull some pins, hit the hydraulic button and the trailer bed raises off the frame. Drive off and let the cylinders down. Instant display and standards for the rope. Optional inflatable pontoons for Portland could be added. Could a guy haul an 8 ton engine with tandem dual axles? Thanks Rob..back to painting with the BOSS..buttering her up for tomorrow's swapmeet and go look at that 8 tonner. later, RickinMT> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck > > > Howdy from rainy Mt.: > > Could we discuss the advantages/disadvantages of using a > > roll-back gooseneck trailer for hauling our old engines please? > > > > What I could imagine is that one benefit would be the > > recovery of a big engine on the ground. > > > > Disadvantage...loading and unloading multiple engines or > > engines on > > trucks could be a real PITA. > > Hi Rick, > Do you mean a "tilt-bed trailer?" A lot of guys have 'em and like 'em. > Some > are gravity powered, some have a buffer system, others are hydraulically > powered. > > The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. It's > hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No > tilt. > Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the > deck and > you can easily load multiple engines. > > You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the > tilt > bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri May 13 11:30:00 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:30:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <1aa.37f6ae0b.2fb64c28@aol.com> In a message dated 05/13/2005 11:21:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: Could a guy haul an 8 ton engine with tandem dual axles? Rick, This site might help you. _Utility Trailer Axle Kits_ (http://www.utilitytrailerkit.com/) Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From curt at imc-group.com Fri May 13 12:11:52 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:11:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 Message-ID: <4284FBF8.9070602@imc-group.com> Exhaust valve and connecting rod work this week. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html At the bottom of the page under the 5/13/05 update. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From George_Best at adp.com Fri May 13 13:00:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:00:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 Message-ID: Great webpage on the Baker Monitor. I really enjoy seeing the setups you use on each of the steps of this restoration. I don't have a milling machine, and limited lathe experience so seeing how you use them in a restoration project is fascinating. Keep up the great work. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:12 PM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 > > Exhaust valve and connecting rod work this week. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMon > itorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > At the bottom of the page under the 5/13/05 update. > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Fri May 13 13:23:31 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:23:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <41dmfb$rajst3@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> IT's not a rollback but I just finished my engine getter a month ago, I think you can see a picture at http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3428/6792.jpg It has a 9000 lb winch on the mono rail, the trolley has a ratchet, stops on the rail every 24". The load can be lifted, latched, and trolleyed onto the trailer. The I-beam slides out 10' for loading or in with 2' overhang for traveling. We took it to Maryland with 12 engines and a 22' boat, the boat was unloaded for display. The highlite of the show for many was watching us load the boat on the trailer. J.B. Castagnos From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 13 13:35:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:35:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 References: <4284FBF8.9070602@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt..you make it look so easy RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 > Exhaust valve and connecting rod work this week. See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > At the bottom of the page under the 5/13/05 update. > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 13:51:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:51:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160505131351456a510a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/05, Best, George wrote: > Great webpage on the Baker Monitor. > > I really enjoy seeing the setups you use on each of the steps of this > restoration. > > I don't have a milling machine, and limited lathe experience so seeing > how you use them in a restoration project is fascinating. > > Keep up the great work. > > George One of the things I promised myself for retirement was a decent set of machine tools in the workshop. Not just to earn a few pennies when retired, but also to get all those jobs done that I struggled with over the years before we had proper setups. We're getting there slowly, only a few more weeks and we can move the turret mill into the workshop and we are almost there! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 13 13:54:39 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:54:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <41dmfb$rajst3@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <41dmfb$rajst3@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160505131354736e644d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/05, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > IT's not a rollback but I just finished my engine getter a month ago, I think you can see a picture at > > http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3428/6792.jpg > > It has a 9000 lb winch on the mono rail, the trolley has a ratchet, stops on the rail every 24". The load can be lifted, latched, and trolleyed onto the trailer. The I-beam slides out 10' for loading or in with 2' overhang for traveling. We took it to Maryland with 12 engines and a 22' boat, the boat was unloaded for display. The highlite of the show for many was watching us load the boat on the trailer. > J.B. Castagnos Very Nice.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri May 13 16:25:06 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:25:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4b5a25cc5cd4cc3ff54399c1df9d3ba8@chartertn.net> > And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. And a wench is a luxury. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri May 13 17:10:55 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050513170549.027586c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> > > >The type of trailer that I'd REALLY like I don't know the name for. It's >hydraulically operated and the bed does a curtsey onto the ground. No tilt. >Flat. Way cool. You only need to lift the engine the thickness of the >deck and >you can easily load multiple engines. This what you mean Rob? http://www.jacobsentrailers.com/selma.htm >You've already pointed out the obvious benefits and disadvantages of the tilt >bed. The only thing I'd add is that all trailers need a winch up front. > >Rob > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 13 17:06:25 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:06:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <200505131715.j4DHFOtp024221@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <4b5a25cc5cd4cc3ff54399c1df9d3ba8@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <02c001c5581a$1aea8be0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Or, in my case, a waste of time!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck >> And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. > > And a wench is a luxury. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 13 18:23:27 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:23:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! References: Message-ID: <015301c55823$880c3c10$a65bef18@pengy> I really don't see the problem. Can't you just buy the old machinery that you would want to preserve? Rick From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 13 18:35:49 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:35:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Photo database UPDATE In-Reply-To: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> References: <42843116.6020600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <428555F5.8080906@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for the many comments. Ken's site is one I have used, but as he said, it has been neglected. Still nice work. Don's site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/siefker/shows/oldshows/image-index-a.html is the best I've seen. Great work there, and well worth a bookmark. There are many who have made information available to all of us. The one thing I found lacking was a photo database. The two above are pretty good by the way. I do not have too much time or energy, but figured maybe I could work on this, much like Rob is working on the patent information. It would be an ongoing project, as time allows, but it has to start somewhere. Here are my thoughts. I would like to start with engines owned by members of the lists. I want the pictures send to me. I do not want to link to other pages as it will cause broken links down the road. One site, one source for all the data. I would build html pages for each engine so I could add text. That is where all of you come in. You would send me photos of your engines and describe them as best you can with type, year, model, etc. I will give credit to the photographer, and will add the owners name if they wish. I think that would be a good starting point. I would also like folks like Maytag Mark to add their expertise on the engines they know about. Variations between models and countries and all that good stuff. Hyperlinks between models could be added so for example one could see the difference between an IH LA and LB with a mouse click. This is a huge project, but I will take it on if all of you will help. I would also like someone to provide web space for this. I could buy a domain and find a home for this, but would prefer not to have to do that. I have a test page in the works as a sample. I'll try to share it for feedback in the next few days. In closing, you folks would be doing a lot of the work, and I would assemble it. As always, comments welcome. Jeff Allen From christison at coastalnet.com Fri May 13 18:47:06 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:47:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Photo database UPDATE Message-ID: <410-2200556141476468@coastalnet.com> Jeff, Here is a page with information indexed very well, in my opinion: http://www.owwm.com/ Putting a page together like this is not cheap since it requires a pretty good amount of bandwidth and storage space. This is supported by members of the OWWM list which is on Yahoo. It is a great list, but buying old tools can really get addictive, so I have not kept up with it for a couple of years. Take care. Ken From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 13 18:46:03 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:46:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <20050513.214928.652.5.jlb94@juno.com> Oooohh Yeahhhh !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 13 18:44:48 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:44:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor rebuild update 5/13/05 Message-ID: <20050513.214928.652.4.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Curt, I like this step-by-step method. Learn something every time. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 13 19:30:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:30:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <4b5a25cc5cd4cc3ff54399c1df9d3ba8@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200505140230.j4E2UUcP068804@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > > And I agree..at my age a winch is a necessity:-(. > And a wench is a luxury. And if you have the kind that is manually cranked, a winch wench can come in very handy. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri May 13 19:32:47 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:32:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050513170549.027586c8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505140232.j4E2Wnj1069320@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > This what you mean Rob? > http://www.jacobsentrailers.com/selma.htm Hi Larry, That's the style that I meant. From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri May 13 20:07:22 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:07:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <1c2.289733d1.2fb6c56a@aol.com> In a message dated 5/13/2005 10:04:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: And if you have the kind that is manually cranked, a winch wench can come in very handy. and if it comes loose in your hand, a winch wench wrench might help. From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri May 13 20:47:06 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Generator Hookup, the devil you say! Message-ID: <20050514034706.36882.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> There is an old electrician's saying about high voltage AC and high voltage DC. Getting shocked with alternating current is like shaking hands with the devil, but when you get shocked with direct current you shake hands with Saint Peter. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri May 13 22:05:33 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:05:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Generator Hookup, the devil you say! In-Reply-To: <20050514034706.36882.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505140505.j4E55Tv17556@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Man, I can only say that I am one lucky man!!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Allen Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:47 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] OT Generator Hookup, the devil you say! There is an old electrician's saying about high voltage AC and high voltage DC. Getting shocked with alternating current is like shaking hands with the devil, but when you get shocked with direct current you shake hands with Saint Peter. Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat May 14 10:37:17 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:37:17 Subject: [SEL] Re: A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia In-Reply-To: <200505131000.j4DA09mF020984@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050514103717.009a9a78@127.0.0.1> At 06:00 AM 13/05/2005 -0400, Hi all you Aussies, So you are going to start selling scrap iron. Welcome to the 3rd world. We (in South Africa) have lived with that problem for years. Who knows how many beautiful old engines have ended up in the smelting works here? We have had a thriving scrap iron business going here for many years. At least you guys have a "Heritage Law". In South Africa we have a "redistribution policy". What this means is that if you have something that a "previously disadvantaged" individual could sell for a few bucks then you are not going to have it for much longer. Given time I could dig up (out of my backups) pics of a Lister LD circa 1960 (granted not a valueable old engine) that was driving a water pump supplying a farmhouse. One morning the owner had no water and on investigation found that all the aluminium housings on his engine had been smashed with a hammer to be sold as scrap. ( In our currency scrap value realised was probably less than ZAR 30.00 - replacement value of the engine was approx. ZAR 15,000.00). This engine is now lying in my yard to be used for spare parts - given to me by the previous owner. I personally have lost from a locked store that only 2 employees have ever had access to in the last 5 years (I'm not going to get racist so I will not tell you the colour of their skin - also, in South Africa, we may no longer report the perpetrator of a crime's race or colour if he is black). the following: 1) Blue Diamond / Briggs & Stratton genset bought new in 1973 and used for 1 1/2 years - thereafter kept in store. (Scrap value less than ZAR 50.00 - replacement value approx ZAR 2500.00 2) CAT high pressure washer (aluminium casing) with 5 HP electric motor (Scrap value less than ZAR 100.00 - replacement approx. ZAR 5000.00) 3) 2 Vintage Bookpresses (approx 100 years old) (scrap value less than ZAR 50.00 each - replacement value - irreplaceable) (They were heavy "chunks of cast iron with big Brass handles) 4) 2 Antique "London type" lampposts (scrap less than ZAR 50.00 - irreplaceable) 5) An 18 HP English Electric motor (too heavy for 4 people to pick up) (Value ???) (Motors have copper wire in them) 6)Electric and hand tools too numerous to list. 7) Brand new Datsun 6 cylinder, cylinder head - aluminium. (value ???) 8) Brand new Volkswagen twin port cylinder head (the old type) aluminium. (value ???) 9) Solid brass free standing antique reading lamp - copy of "Nelson's Column" in London (value - I recently saw one advertised on the net for more than 2500.00 English pounds - scrap value less than ZAR 100.00 or about 12 English pounds) 10) Wisconsin Air cooled engine (approx 6 HP) in working condition (Value not known) 11) Hatz diesel engine in working condition (Value not known) 12) 5 HP Tecumseh engine close coupled to centrifugal water pump (Brand new - kept as spare) (Value not known). There is a lot more but I've probably bored you guys enough now! I live on a 5 acre plot (small holding) and built a cottage for my son to live in about 75 yards from my house - I included a lockup store (The store mentioned) to keep all my "stuff" in. This was only completed in 2001 which is when I packed the "stuff" into it. There were times when I sent one or both of the aforementioned employees to this store to fetch something without supervision. These were the only times that the store was ever unlocked without supervision. Of course they profess to know nothing about the missing items! We have a "scrapyard" in the vicinity who, in the past, have been found in possession of a complete aluminium irrigation system belonging to one of the local farmers (unfortunately no longer of any use to him as all the piping was chopped up into short lengths), various aluminium ladders (also chopped up), copper hot water geysers stolen from vacant houses and many more valueable items - yet they are still allowed to operate ! We also have people of dubious character who go from property to property collecting "scrap iron" - sometimes legit other times not. I had a case about 8 years ago where some one entered my property when I was away and told my employees that I had sent them to pick up the empty 44 gallon steel drums that I was using as scaffolding when building - they even had the cheek to get the said employees to help them load the drums. Fortunately I traced the drums to a local drum reconditioning plant and was able to lay a charge against these people. By the way, I can safely tell you that they were white people - we are not allowed to tell you their race if they are black!! That would be considered "racist". So Aussies, I sympathise with you because "I've been there - done that and even bought the "T" shirt". Better buy up all those old engines that are lying around while you still have the chance and also lock up those you have before they get "redistributed" :-) Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat May 14 04:43:36 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:43:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Heritage Park Opens! Message-ID: <021a01c5587a$2a18f420$a65bef18@pengy> Starting Saturday May 28 until Sept. 3 the Tod Engine Heritage park will be open on Saturdays from noon until 5 pm. The park is a long way from being finished however it may still be worth your while to stop by and view our progress as we reassemble and restore the historic Tod Engine. If you are coming from outside the area email or call ahead of time to make sure that someone will be at the park. During inclement weather we may be at the restoration shop in Struthers instead so its always good to call first. email rick at todengine.org phone 330-728-2799 Thanks and I hope to see you in Youngstown! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 14 09:06:42 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:06:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck References: <20050513174124.53899.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well thanks much gang for a very informative thread! Ya'll provided some nice up-to-date info on whats available to this ole drug store cowboy. Well today Corky is down at the Billings swapmeet, just called and said don't bother. 1 Waukeshau and two tired Maytags are the only engines there so far. Lots of old tired tractors tho. If anyone on the list wins the magnet charger on ebay, get with me. I have one just like it and there's some very nice iron accessories that go with it. I could get the local votech to cut them out on their pattern cutter..next school year. later gang RickinMt. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat May 14 12:24:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:24:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] TOMM Reply - Oz Message-ID: <36.72cadf2a.2fb7aa5e@aol.com> In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:53:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: << Hope to see ya at Concord, on the 21st :o) >> Hi Dwight, Thanks for information. Today was show workday, mow, lay our grounds, put up fences, stake flea market, grade pulling track, move rock crusher/haybaler into position, unpack storage trailer full of tables/chairs/kiddie train/ etc., and many various and sundry jobs. Will probably be there from Thursday on. Hope the weather holds and you are able to come. I will be helping with the engine parking this year, so should not be hard to find on my 4-wheeler. Have a nice weekend, Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Sat May 14 12:31:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:31:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <15d.50d6da7b.2fb7ac1c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/13/2005 4:47:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: << IT's not a rollback but I just finished my engine getter a month ago >> JB, Now that is an engine getter from the word go!! You must be in the casket vault business!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat May 14 12:57:07 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:57:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Photo database UPDATE Message-ID: <96.275fc819.2fb7b213@aol.com> In a message dated 5/13/2005 9:57:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << here are many who have made information available to all of us. The one thing I found lacking was a photo database. >> Jeff, Here is a reference site I use some to look at pictures of engines. http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/ Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jbcast at charter.net Sat May 14 15:48:57 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:48:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roll Back Gooseneck Message-ID: <41b17u$u7l91b@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Now that is an engine getter from the word go!! You must be in the casket > vault business!! > > Tom Schmutz Tom, I'm not in the vault business, but I do service work on the trucks for a local vault comapany. When the owner saw my trailer he was excited, figured how many he could put on it when he has to make long distance trips. J.B. Castagnos From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 15 02:04:46 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:04:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display Message-ID: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A lot of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun May 15 02:33:56 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:33:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display References: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <004901c55931$37640ae0$0301a8c0@Cam> Beautiful photo's Patrick, thanx. That's a nice profile of Ron... Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display >I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A >lot > of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. > We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 15 10:23:47 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:23:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! Message-ID: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=7514619330 Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 15 10:31:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:31:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Manual wanted for 3hp Galloway Message-ID: Howdy all..can anyone help me out here? This is not for the spedup and rerated 2&1/4 hp. All I'm trying to do is find out the p/n's for the rod and piston. http://community.webshots.com/album/101104583GxaPxx TIA RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 15 10:55:26 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 11:55:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Yea Rob..Cork and I were up at his place Friday, pickin up the Cushman. He's a real nice guy and is selling some of his collection. He's located in Simm's Montana...and man does he have the iron..whew!! Actually it's his daughter that's listing the items. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=7514619330 > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun May 15 11:31:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:31:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: 280 rockets whew. I know he has others..one might ask him/her if he' going to put them up on ebay. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! > Yea Rob..Cork and I were up at his place Friday, pickin up the Cushman. > He's a real nice guy and is selling some of his collection. He's located > in Simm's Montana...and man does he have the iron..whew!! Actually it's > his daughter that's listing the items. > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:23 AM > Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > > > &item=7514619330 > > > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > > La Habra, California > > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun May 15 15:12:39 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:12:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505152212.j4FMCeWS088261@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > 280 rockets whew. I know he has others..one might ask > him/her if he' going to put them up on ebay. I'm no magnet charger expert, but if this is a commercial quality, gauss spewing, mongo heavy charger, the price seems reasonable. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun May 15 15:41:11 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:41:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display References: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000f01c5599f$32824f00$f785dccb@oemcomputer> Well done mate. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display > I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A lot > of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. > We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 15 17:44:46 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:44:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <200505152212.j4FMCeWS088261@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505152212.j4FMCeWS088261@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4287ECFE.5080607@earthlink.net> It is not commercial quality, but not a bad charger. I bought mine from the same people, and they must have a bunch of em. I contacted Ted Brookover before I bought mine, and he is a go to guy on chargers. Nice little charger, and going a little too high in my opinion. I have seen pictures of the Bosch unit Ted has and it is commercial. In the wrong hands I think it could suck a car through your garage door or wipe several hard drives that are near. Jeff Rob Skinner wrote: >>280 rockets whew. I know he has others..one might ask >>him/her if he' going to put them up on ebay. >> >> > >I'm no magnet charger expert, but if this is a commercial quality, gauss >spewing, mongo heavy charger, the price seems reasonable. >=-=-=-=-=-= >Rob Skinner >La Habra, California >mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com >http://www.rustyiron.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 15 10:55:38 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 18:55:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> On 5/15/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > &item=7514619330 > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com Bit of a crossed-up url there, Robbie: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7514619330 Nice item though.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun May 15 20:18:19 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:18:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050515231551.0e1c1d78@mail.alltel.net> >On 5/15/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > > &item=7514619330 > > Eight hours to go. You snooze, you loose. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > >Bit of a crossed-up url there, Robbie: >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7514619330 >Nice item though.... >Peter Worked fine for me Peter. Perhaps you need a newer 'puter--the 1972 mainframe you continue to use just doesn't cut it anymore! Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 15 23:09:10 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:09:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Magnet Charger - eBay auction alert! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050515231551.0e1c1d78@mail.alltel.net> References: <200505151723.j4FHNqZN015104@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f602516050515105524fbea04@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050515231551.0e1c1d78@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051523092f212997@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Worked fine for me Peter. Perhaps you need a newer 'puter--the 1972 > mainframe you continue to use just doesn't cut it anymore! > Dave > Yes, it's the coal-fired processor, Dave, it just is too damm slow these days! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon May 16 02:27:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:27:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Jay Peters Message-ID: <004d01c559f9$6cc81d70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I just got my copy of the GEM and on the back page is an ad showing all Breich Peters Castings, patterns, plans, etc. Having built a number of the 1/2 size Olds, Domestic and the Nanzy, I can say that they are top models and I hope someone goes for the lot and keeps them available to the modelmaking public. I would be pleased if someone can inform me on the outcome of this auction, as I plan to make more of these models. Thanks. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon May 16 04:33:34 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:33:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movement in Australia!!! In-Reply-To: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> So go to Smorgon and buy it for double scrap price - let them bring it to town for you! They are particularly after steel - they're not interested in cast iron. Paul peter ogborne wrote: > This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that > could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. > Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by > Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian > farms . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks > ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy > earner for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 > to Fire Brigades for every tonne collected. > York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon > i have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying > around''. > Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do > BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the > story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some > restorer would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what > else is out there ? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 16 05:10:05 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. it is shown in the last 2 pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. the front wheels will turn under the main skid. marv in minn From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 16 07:37:16 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:37:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4288B01C.7040102@imc-group.com> Marvin, VERY nice! Curious....on the thermosyphon system what is the purpose of the vertical leg going straight up from the tee that is over the cylinder head? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. >it is shown in the last 2 pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= > >the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it >slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. >just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. >the front wheels will turn under the main skid. > >marv in minn > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon May 16 07:48:18 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:48:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart Message-ID: <19f.33e197c2.2fba0cb2@aol.com> In a message dated 5/16/2005 8:46:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marvhed at ecenet.com writes: << i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday >> Marv, The cart puts a nice finishing touch to a great engine. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 16 08:05:23 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:05:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Update 05/16/05 Message-ID: <4288B6B3.7000109@imc-group.com> Had a good weekend of shop work with Devin and the rebuild of his Baker Monitor. The last 9 images at the bottom of this link, or where is is titled 5/16/05 Update: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html Hope you enjoy. Curt From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 16 08:10:32 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:10:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4288B01C.7040102@imc-group.com> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> <4288B01C.7040102@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <30707.199.62.0.252.1116256232.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> it has a vent hole in the top. the water level in the tank would be just above the top horizontal pipe. marv > Marvin, > VERY nice! > Curious....on the thermosyphon system what is the purpose of the > vertical leg going straight up from the tee that is over the cylinder > head? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 16 08:51:55 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:51:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OTTO pinstriping ? In-Reply-To: <19f.33e197c2.2fba0cb2@aol.com> References: <19f.33e197c2.2fba0cb2@aol.com> Message-ID: <18633.199.62.0.252.1116258715.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> did the OTTO engines have pinstriping? if so, does anyone have any pics or details of pinstriping for them. thanks, marv in minn From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon May 16 09:55:37 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050516094540.024375a0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi....... This past Saturday a few WAPA members got together to help support a fund raiser for the Mennonite World Relief Fund. Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/upland/ I included a few pictures of a 1936 Steyr automobile (one of only three known in the world) that was designed by Ferdinand Porsche before he did the Volkswagen. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon May 16 10:57:53 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:57:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart In-Reply-To: <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Nice Job, Marv. It looks good under that engine! Steve >From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart >Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:10:05 -0500 (CDT) > >i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. >it is shown in the last 2 pics at: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= > >the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it >slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. >just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. >the front wheels will turn under the main skid. > >marv in minn > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon May 16 15:40:39 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:40:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display In-Reply-To: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: HI Patrick, Thanks for the great pics mate. Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display >Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:04:46 +1000 > >I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A >lot >of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. >We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. >Some pics at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 16 16:21:43 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] BESSEMER PISTON RING SET (#7516395411) Message-ID: Hi Folks, Need some BIG rings? Wanna impress the neighbors? 8-)) See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7516395411 ----------------------------------------------------------------- BESSEMER PISTON RING SET Item number: 7516395411 Starting bid: US $29.99 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Summary NEW OLD STOCK 3 RING SET This is a set of three pistons rings for a Bessemer engine. They may fit other engine brands. Each cast iron ring weighs 6 1/4 pounds. Closed diameter is 16". Open diameter is 16 1/2". Each ring is 1" wide and 1/2" thick. I purchased these rings when I purchased some Bessemer engines. The engines ranged in size from 85 to 165HP, so these rings may fit that size range. From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon May 16 17:58:32 2005 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:58:32 GMT Subject: [SEL] Jay Peters Message-ID: <20050516.175910.16051.34957@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Hi Reg, interesting that you should mention this ad in GEM. I received mine in the mail today also and I am in Maine. I heard that Jay's health isn't too good. I hope that someone will continue it also. I have an original Breish Associated model of the 2 1/4hp Hired Man. Take care, Joe Kelley ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today! From avanti_64 at juno.com Mon May 16 18:03:37 2005 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:03:37 GMT Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction Message-ID: <20050516.180429.16051.35043@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today! From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon May 16 18:10:16 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:10:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3><4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <4280.199.62.0.252.1116245405.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <005201c55a7d$301595e0$0301a8c0@Cam> Nice job Marvin ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [SEL] OTTO cart >i finished the Cart for Otto yesterday. > it is shown in the last 2 pics at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31692538&f= > > the handle ends on the axle are slotted so when i lift up the handle, it > slides down and locks the handle up and the front axle from turning. > just lift the handle up and it will swing down for steering. > the front wheels will turn under the main skid. > > marv in minn > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon May 16 18:40:25 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:40:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Update 05/16/05 References: <4288B6B3.7000109@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006b01c55a81$66040e30$0301a8c0@Cam> Coming along nicely Curt & Devin. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor Update 05/16/05 > Had a good weekend of shop work with Devin and the rebuild of his Baker > Monitor. The last 9 images at the bottom of this link, or where is is > titled 5/16/05 Update: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > Hope you enjoy. > Curt > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon May 16 20:27:30 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:27:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC Message-ID: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> Hi List, Here is a tool to find top dead center. It might be fine for an engine that has timing marks. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 _Click here: eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC Top Dead Center Locater - Simple to Use!_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4381307417&rd=1) From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon May 16 23:48:07 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:48:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050516094540.024375a0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801c55aac$62694cb0$0301a8c0@Cam> Nice pictures Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:55 AM Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures > Hi....... > > This past Saturday a few WAPA members got together to help support a fund > raiser for the Mennonite World Relief Fund. > Pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/upland/ > > I included a few pictures of a 1936 Steyr automobile (one of only three > known in the world) that was designed by Ferdinand Porsche before he did > the Volkswagen. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 17 06:52:19 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:52:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? R Fink PA At 08:27 PM 5/16/2005, you wrote: >Hi List, >Here is a tool to find top dead center. It might be fine for an engine that >has timing marks. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > >_Click here: eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal >TDC Top Dead Center Locater - Simple to Use!_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4381307417&rd=1) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 04:51:16 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:51:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementin Australia!!!...now collectors or restorers References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001401c55ad6$bf5afe80$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> I think that there is a big difference between a collector and a restorer. The latter derives more pleasure restoring rather than running around the country with a cheque book . I would fall into the latter category .....I can honestly say i have only ever paid for an engine once and that was too bloody much . Perhaps i have been lucky but i have always been given or swapped engines. Should i hang my head in shame ? I would rather spend the money on tools or equipment and enjoy the challenge of bringing an engine back to life.I am sure there are many who share the same sentiments. As for getting off my arse and going around and buying worthy pieces of machinery ......that is the sort of response i would expect from a cheque book collector. --- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementin Australia!!! > So go to Smorgon and buy it for double scrap price - let them bring it to > town for you! > > They are particularly after steel - they're not interested in cast iron. > > Paul > > peter ogborne wrote: >> This morning in the "West Australian News Paper '' there is a story that >> could spell the finish of the Historical Machinery movement in Australia. >> Smorgon Steel are doubling the price of scrap steel . It is estimated by >> Smorgon that there is 1.5 million tonnes of scrap steel on Australian >> farms . This is made up of quote, Smorgon Steel ''Old tractors,trucks >> ,harvesters,tanks,fencing ,windmills and engines, this will be a tidy >> earner for farmers ''Smorgon are big noting themselves by offering $15 to >> Fire Brigades for every tonne collected. >> York farmer Stephen Penny has given the scheme the thumbs up '' I reckon >> i have quite a few tonnes of old harvesting and seeding gear lying >> around''. >> Of course all this is going to Bloody China................what can we do >> BTW on the front page of the paper there is a picture with the >> story....shows a farmer standing on an old ,no doubt something some >> restorer would give a right arm for ...an old Bedford Truck ....what else >> is out there ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 05:07:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:07:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051705074d09e83a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference between > compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > R Fink > PA > Doesn't have to, it is just finding TDC....... It probably won't whistle on the exhaust stroke. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue May 17 05:17:15 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:17:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade Message-ID: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> Hi All Not being as efficient as Patrick, I've only just done the webpage for Rushden Cavalcade, the show we went to a couple of weeks ago (but hey, at least that's better than Arnie!), so enjoy. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/rushden.htm Engines are on the first page, some of the other stuff on the second. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 05:34:14 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! References: Message-ID: <003901c55adc$c0262f00$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementinAustralia!!! > >> Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >> machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >> it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >> export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >> countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. > >> Peter A Forbes > > Peter, > > The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of > the country. > > When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in > and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving > the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving > the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. > > Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving > the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only > known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. > Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the > rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official > paperwork on stating it could be exported. > > I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went > to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. > > Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making > supplemental income as part of their job. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue May 17 05:46:15 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:46:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade References: 14722163 Message-ID: <004101c55ade$69c847e0$0301a8c0@Cam> Very nice layout there Helen, great photo's. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade > Hi All > Not being as efficient as Patrick, I've only just done the webpage for > Rushden Cavalcade, the show we went to a couple of weeks ago (but hey, > at least that's better than Arnie!), so enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/rushden.htm > Engines are on the first page, some of the other stuff on the second. > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 05:48:11 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:48:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia References: <200505130634.j4D6YQPn053084@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <006301c55ade$bc619b00$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Rob ...I guess i can buy an argument on Slick Willy ...i will give him a go! As for getting you a couple of tonnes of sideshafts .....give me your postal address. Never been guilty of ripping of those poor souls you speak of . I have found that '' up front honesty" pays off. I was given a Smiths Motor Wheel by a poor old demented lady ......I checked with her son and daughter and landed up with a couple of old Listers ,all gifts.Having been told to get off my arse and go and buy all that desirable iron .............! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] A blow to the Old Machinery Movement in Australia > >> When i first posted to the list on the above subject i felt >> very despondent about the future of our hobby. > > Peter, > While I've not been to Oz and my perspective is clouded by my limited > American > experience, I'm still very sceptical of your media's reporting. Do you > REALLY > have three billion pounds of collectible iron ready to go to the smelter? > We > have junk yards with who-knows-how-many-tons of old equipment, but most of > it > you'd not haul away if it was given to you for free. > > If in fact there are 3,000,000,000 pounds of old sideshaft engines ready > to get > melted down, please set aside a few dozen tons for me. I'll gladly pay > double > the scrap price and will toss in a case of California style ale. > >>,just look around you and see how many things are >> now made in China. The cheap labour costs >> and their demand as a consumer is frightening! > > Come join us on the Slick Willy List, where we love to toss around ideas > like > these. If you're the sensitive sort who gets mopey over the exchange of > diverse > ideas, it might not be for you. > >> The value of engines will rise ,nothing will be given away > > Should collectors get valuable engines for free? Is that not taking > advantage > of the ignorant seller? I'm sure there are theologians among us who can > offer > council on whether to offer a poor widow a fair price, or to offer a > ridiculously low price in an attempt to decieve the seller. > > Good luck saving all the good stuff. > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue May 17 05:52:30 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:52:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: 14732970 Message-ID: <004601c55adf$4983abe0$0301a8c0@Cam> They will probably smash it all with an Excavator and hammer Peter, they can get more on a truck that way, heartbreaking to even think about it. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinerymovementinAustralia!!! > And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be > prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up > and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking > all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! > All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie > the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery > movementinAustralia!!! > > >> >>> Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>> machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>> it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>> export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>> countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >> >>> Peter A Forbes >> >> Peter, >> >> The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >> the country. >> >> When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >> and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >> the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >> the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >> >> Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >> the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >> known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >> Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >> rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >> paperwork on stating it could be exported. >> >> I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >> to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >> >> Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >> supplemental income as part of their job. >> >> George >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 06:15:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:15:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Jim French wrote: > Hi All > Not being as efficient as Patrick, I've only just done the webpage for > Rushden Cavalcade, the show we went to a couple of weeks ago (but hey, > at least that's better than Arnie!), so enjoy. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/rushden.htm > Engines are on the first page, some of the other stuff on the second. > > Dolly A lot better location this year, and the weather was as good as you say. We went down on the Saturday morning to have a look, but a lot of stalls were still setting up, so we probably missed a few items. The Real Ale tent was well attended as usual, but they didn't have anything to makr the new site at the old one, so anyone who didn't know where to go would have possibly missed it. I thought that a simple redirection sign at the old place would have been a big benefit for folks coming along the B645 from St Neots or Raunds. Having said that, the signs on the new bypass 'were' in place and most people found it OK It is close enough to us now that we almost thought about walking up to it, but we had to feed the nags anyway so drove over to the field and did that first! Amazing what a bit of dry weather can do... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue May 17 06:58:56 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:58:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4289F8A0.98295D8A@insulate.co.uk> There seemed to be so many new roads around there that I hadn't a clue where we were in relation to the old site! I think the only aspect which we weren't impressed with was that the car park was a long way down the road from the rally site. It was great to see that the stationary engines had been given a good location this time - close to the beer tent and with plenty of foot traffic, not like previous years when they were stuck far away at the bottom of a muddy field. Dolly Listerdiesel wrote: > The Real Ale tent was well attended as usual, but they didn't have > anything to makr the new site at the old one, so anyone who didn't > know where to go would have possibly missed it. I thought that a > simple redirection sign at the old place would have been a big benefit > for folks coming along the B645 from St Neots or Raunds. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 07:28:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:28:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <4289F8A0.98295D8A@insulate.co.uk> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <4289F8A0.98295D8A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605051707284c50df39@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Jim French wrote: > There seemed to be so many new roads around there that I hadn't a clue where > we were in relation to the old site! I think the only aspect which we > weren't impressed with was that the car park was a long way down the road > from the rally site. > It was great to see that the stationary engines had been given a good > location this time - close to the beer tent and with plenty of foot traffic, > not like previous years when they were stuck far away at the bottom of a > muddy field. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: The old site was on the B645, which crosses the new bypass at the second roundabout. The old site is east of the bypass. The new site is south of the town altogether and about a mile south of the end of the bypass. There was a route signposted about 2/3rds of the way along the bypass that took you up the Yielden road and then along Avenue Road from the other end which may have been a bit confusing if you didn't know where you were! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 07:35:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, The thing I like best about the truly local shows like this is that I can take a great many more engines to exhibit. With the distance shows I'm stuck with the one or two that fit on the trailer. For my "local" show I can make three trips and show off a half-dozen engines. WAY more fun that way! In your case, you wouldn't even need to use the trailer; just hand-drag the engines over to the rally field!! See ya, Arnie On Tue, 17 May 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > It is close enough to us now that we almost thought about walking up > to it, but we had to feed the nags anyway so drove over to the field > and did that first! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 07:36:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:36:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery movementin Australia!!!...now collectors or restorers In-Reply-To: <001401c55ad6$bf5afe80$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000801c556c6$2df82e40$b59f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4288850E.6040504@steamengine.com.au> <001401c55ad6$bf5afe80$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f602516050517073678d4a740@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, peter ogborne wrote: > I think that there is a big difference between a collector and a restorer. > The latter derives more pleasure restoring rather than running around the > country with a cheque book . I would fall into the latter category .....I > can honestly say i have only ever paid for an engine once and that was too > bloody much . Perhaps i have been lucky but i have always been given or > swapped engines. Should i hang my head in shame ? I would rather spend the > money on tools or equipment and enjoy the challenge of bringing an engine > back to life.I am sure there are many who share the same sentiments. > As for getting off my arse and going around and buying worthy pieces of > machinery ......that is the sort of response i would expect from a cheque > book collector. > I don't feel that you can pigeon-hole people quite as easily as that, Peter. Many folks have different circumstances that preclude buying, collecting or restoring engines, but have a love of the hobby. Most of us go through an 'acquisitive phase' for want of a better expression, but it soon cools off once you realise that having 20 tons of old iron out in the shed isn't the best way forward! Restorations are fine if you have the TIME, that rare commodity that few of us have in reality. As for buying, I think we have bought most of our engines at some time or other, but I certainly wouldn't call us 'cheque book collectors', we never had that much money in the first place and didn't have the inclination in the second! :-)) Space is the last thing that most folks don't have a lot of, except for those fortunate enough to have properties with grounds enough to have a decent shed or workshop. Patrick Livingstone makes do very well indeed with his place which is even smaller than our own, and Shannon gives him a hand too! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 07:50:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction In-Reply-To: <20050516.180429.16051.35043@webmail28.lax.untd.com> References: <20050516.180429.16051.35043@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved (furthur north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that aren't listed. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 08:13:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:13:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Peter, > > The thing I like best about the truly local shows like this is that > I can take a great many more engines to exhibit. With the distance shows > I'm stuck with the one or two that fit on the trailer. For my "local" > show I can make three trips and show off a half-dozen engines. WAY more > fun that way! In your case, you wouldn't even need to use the trailer; > just hand-drag the engines over to the rally field!! > > See ya, Arnie I can't quite see me and Rita dragging the Ruston & Hornsby up the hill from town! Agree with what you are saying though, and if the Cavalcade organisers get their act together it could grow quite nicely at the new site. Still, it's nice to be able to look forward to Portland this year.... :-))) Must ask Dave how many weeks, days, hours and seconds to go! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue May 17 08:24:47 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <428A0CBF.763B17C5@insulate.co.uk> Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Must ask Dave how many weeks, days, hours and seconds to go! http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 08:52:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:52:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <428A0CBF.763B17C5@insulate.co.uk> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> <428A0CBF.763B17C5@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f60251605051708525569abef@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Jim French wrote: > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > > > > > Must ask Dave how many weeks, days, hours and seconds to go! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html > > Dolly I should have guessed!! :-)) Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 09:02:08 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Rushden Cavalcade In-Reply-To: <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4289E0CB.13F9F318@insulate.co.uk> <6f60251605051706151fc7a5ee@mail.gmail.com> <6f602516050517081356ea14f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Tue, 17 May 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > I can't quite see me and Rita dragging the Ruston & Hornsby up the > hill from town! Easy peasy! Harness up the nags! Make 'em earn their food! Or use the trailer... 8-)) See ya, Arnie From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 15:48:58 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:48:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List Message-ID: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled Engine. Thanks Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue May 17 15:57:51 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Trivia for OZ listeners. In-Reply-To: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: WOW!! Sorta looks like Peter Lowe. Kaye's gonna de-nut him when she finds out how much he spent!! 8-)) On Wed, 18 May 2005, John Hammink wrote: > All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD > at the Nuenen engine swap????? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 17 18:57:53 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:57:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051705074d09e83a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6f60251605051705074d09e83a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517185726.01a7beb0@mail.pennswoods.net> At 05:07 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >On 5/17/05, Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference between > > compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > > R Fink > > PA > > OK > >Doesn't have to, it is just finding TDC....... It probably won't >whistle on the exhaust stroke. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ivancou at alltel.net Tue May 17 08:06:31 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> Message-ID: <000601c55af2$02ce7f00$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Ok , this is for use at Portland so its on topic. But I dont want to p*** everyone off listening to a gen howling away .. So I put together a belt driven generator so we can run the ac in the camper by day . Its chuggin along at 2400 rpm , with 115 under a 2400 watt load . Much better than one screaming at 3600 rpm . But how to quiet it down a little more ? I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can lower the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo tone mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . Suggestions ? Ivan From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue May 17 16:16:15 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:16:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: 14732970 <004601c55adf$4983abe0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <002501c55b36$86eb0d00$f19881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Cam .....congratulations, you seem to be the only one to see the ''Big Picture''. You are quite correct ,what condition would a nice big flywheel be in after a excavator had knocked it around ......Smorgons are not going to line all this scrap up for you and i to have a look at...into the truck and into the ship. I suppose i will get another lengthy ''Lecture '' on this subject, still that's what the list is about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > They will probably smash it all with an Excavator and hammer Peter, they > can get more on a truck that way, heartbreaking to even think about it. > Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical > machinerymovementinAustralia!!! > > >> And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be >> prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped >> up and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' >> checking all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! >> All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie >> the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Best, George" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery >> movementinAustralia!!! >> >> >>> >>>> Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>>> machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>>> it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>>> export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>>> countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >>> >>>> Peter A Forbes >>> >>> Peter, >>> >>> The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >>> the country. >>> >>> When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >>> and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >>> the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >>> the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >>> >>> Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >>> the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >>> known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >>> Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >>> rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >>> paperwork on stating it could be exported. >>> >>> I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >>> to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >>> >>> Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >>> supplemental income as part of their job. >>> >>> George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 17:28:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:28:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 1913 IHC Famous 6HP Message-ID: <009a01c55b40$7d6765d0$230110ac@PAUL> Folks if anyone is interested in a 1913 IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled engine I just posted on Harry's EnginAds site. Trying to rake up enough money to go to Portland this year. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 17:30:35 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050518003035.48808.qmail@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup Arnie, They moved to Fairview, Michigan. That is just about two hours east of me here on Michigan's M-72. Where I work we supply such things as Anderson Windows and Formica brand laminate and many more items all over most of Michigan. Every time I ship a piece of Formica to Fairview Lumber I start thinking about when I can find a day to head over there. I need to look up their phone number. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Joe, > > When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved (furthur > north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he > doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that > aren't listed. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in > > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 > > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer > > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including > > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 17 18:17:01 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:17:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got these from my club, and had to post them. Since I have to test drive the links, I figured I would share. They are scans and a little large if you care to look at them. The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running engines. Once the day is done would be another story. I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance company put the pressure on. The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other places, and with other clubs. As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: http://frapa.us/Ins.html http://frapa.us/Safety.html http://frapa.us/Code.html Jeff Allen From davidtief at abac.com Tue May 17 18:20:32 2005 From: davidtief at abac.com (David Tiefenbrunn) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:20:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator In-Reply-To: <000601c55af2$02ce7f00$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> Message-ID: <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> At 11:06 AM 5/17/2005 -0400, Ivan wrote: >But how to quiet it down a little more ? > I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can lower >the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo tone >mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . I was at an event where we had to run one of those noisy things. I found that folding table laid over on it's side made a wall between the genny and us that took a lot of the "bite" out of the noise. Higher & denser material (plywood / particle board) would be more effective. A heavy blanket or rug on the genny side would help even more. The barrier can be a couple feet away from the genny. It does have to be high enough to block the "line of site" between the genny and the ears that don't want to hear it. Dave David Tief. N1WWY Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 18:42:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:42:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Meeting Place in St Louis for Engine Xfer Message-ID: <00d101c55b4a$e109cab0$230110ac@PAUL> Looking for someone to tell me where on the South side of St. Louis would be a good spot to meet someone and unload a engine. He is coming from Covington, Ohio and I am coming from Central Arkansas and I am meeting him half way. If any of you folks live around the St. Louis area please let me know where would be a good place....rest stop.....truck stop..???? Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 18:45:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:45:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur Message-ID: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. Paul From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue May 17 18:49:02 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:49:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> Message-ID: <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> You really cant change the generator RPM,s with out messing up the cps (60cps) You can make a 10 to 15% difference with mufflers and barriers, but thats about it. Sell it and spent some extra money on a 4 pole 1800 RPM gen-set. or better yet one of the Honda EU series with built in inverters. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tiefenbrunn" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator > At 11:06 AM 5/17/2005 -0400, Ivan wrote: > >>But how to quiet it down a little more ? >> I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can >> lower >>the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo tone >>mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . > > I was at an event where we had to run one of those noisy things. I found > that folding table laid over on it's side made a wall between the genny > and > us that took a lot of the "bite" out of the noise. Higher & denser > material (plywood / particle board) would be more effective. A heavy > blanket or rug on the genny side would help even more. The barrier can be > a couple feet away from the genny. It does have to be high enough to > block > the "line of site" between the genny and the ears that don't want to hear > it. > > Dave > > > David Tief. N1WWY > Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief > Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at mac.com Tue May 17 18:49:52 2005 From: transteck at mac.com (Jeffrey Allen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:49:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT SPAM Message-ID: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> Hi all, My new domain has been up for two days. I have sent the URL to four people on the damn planet to date. I already got spam from it, and I don't even have a mailbox there yet. Forget the bs with e-mail and hiding it. Ain't gonna work. I do hope he enjoys his copy of the Diesel Story I sent him. Least I can do is take some space and bandwidth for this jerk. Sigh, Jeff Allen From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 18:59:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:59:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> References: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f60251605051718595b1db4e1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/05, Paul Maples wrote: > Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled Engine. > > Thanks > > Paul There are quite a few folks with that listing, Paul, we have one list, John Hammink has one and there are others. Ours is at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/technical/IHC.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 19:08:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:08:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051719082d8e0b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol > thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have > beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. > Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running > engines. Once the day is done would be another story. > Jeff Allen Hi Jeff: The beer tents are for everyone, but generally most folks use their noddle when operating engines etc., and only get sloshed after the show has closed for the night. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 19:21:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:21:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur In-Reply-To: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Paul Maples wrote: > Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. > > Paul It's all on Google, Paul: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Amerihost Inn Decatur 1201 South 13th Street Decatur IN 46733 Tel: 1 219 728-4600 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue May 17 19:35:20 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:35:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List References: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> <6f60251605051718595b1db4e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011901c55b52$4099bbf0$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Peter, Ken Christen had send me his site that has all of the numbers, I appreciate the response. I will bookmark your site. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List > On 5/17/05, Paul Maples wrote: >> Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I >> want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP >> Hopper Cooled Engine. >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul > > There are quite a few folks with that listing, Paul, we have one list, > John Hammink has one and there are others. > > Ours is at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/technical/IHC.htm > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue May 17 19:42:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:42:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT SPAM In-Reply-To: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> References: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051719423f31ef93@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Jeffrey Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > My new domain has been up for two days. I have sent the URL to four > people on the damn planet to date. I already got spam from it, and I > don't even have a mailbox there yet. Forget the bs with e-mail and > hiding it. Ain't gonna work. I do hope he enjoys his copy of the Diesel > Story I sent him. Least I can do is take some space and bandwidth for > this jerk. > > Sigh, > > Jeff Allen Most spammers use random domain and email name generation these days, Jeff, so you're going to get hit eventually. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue May 17 19:50:05 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:50:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Three good links to cleaning rust-Electrolysis and tea bath. Message-ID: <209.1373249.2fbc075d@aol.com> Hey Fellows; I thought these links would go along good with our old engine restorations, _http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm_ (http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm) _http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm_ (http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm) _http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm_ (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm) See'ya, Bill Miller From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 17 15:47:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:47:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Trivia for OZ listeners. Message-ID: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD at the Nuenen engine swap????? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg Take care, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 17 16:53:06 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:53:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Serial Number List References: <000a01c55b32$9edc0940$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000501c55b3b$9627b570$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Paul, that engine # is for 1913. You can find them all at my serial number list. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/IHCserialnumbers.htm Smels good :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web Folks who has the International Harvester Engines Serial Number List? I want to confirm the year of serial number JD4726E on a IHC Famous 6 HP Hopper Cooled Engine. Thanks Paul From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue May 17 20:44:53 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:44:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Trivia for OZ listeners. In-Reply-To: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200505180344.j4I3itvo009621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD > at the Nuenen engine swap????? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg Hi John, Who can tell? All those Aussies look alike! Rob P.S. BTW, that's a fabulous engine he picked up, whoever he is. From oldengines at bigpond.com Wed May 18 02:03:05 2005 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:03:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Trivia for OZ listeners. References: <000701c55b32$76f4e320$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002701c55b88$69017430$92038b90@ronliz1> Hi.John Its gone to a good aussie with plenty of engines Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "Stat.eng.org" ; "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Trivia for OZ listeners. > All OZ listeners take a look, who bought this engine for 11,680 AUD > at the Nuenen engine swap????? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/OZtrivia.jpg > > Take care, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengines at bigpond.com Wed May 18 02:07:30 2005 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron & Liz Sullivan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:07:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display References: <20050515090441.JPTD10044.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <004901c55931$37640ae0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <004d01c55b89$05d96e70$92038b90@ronliz1> Hi Cam I'm well fed Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cambelltown Display > Beautiful photo's Patrick, thanx. That's a nice profile of Ron... Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:04 PM > Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Display > > >>I took my 1hp R&V out to Cambelltown today for their May open weekend. A >>lot >> of nice steam equipment, internal combustion engines, old cars, etc. >> We all had a nice day though the weather looked threatening. >> Some pics at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Cammay051.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 18 03:56:58 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:56:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050518105646.JMSS3176.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I think your rules are getting more draconian than anyone here could come up with. I have never heard of the need for a code of conduct. Do you really have that much trouble with unruly engine people? What a load of .... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi all, I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance company put the pressure on. The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other places, and with other clubs. As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: http://frapa.us/Ins.html http://frapa.us/Safety.html http://frapa.us/Code.html Jeff Allen From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 17 20:30:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:30:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference >between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? >R Fink >PA It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 17 20:28:26 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur In-Reply-To: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232727.04129640@mail.alltel.net> At 09:45 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at >Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. >Paul My goodness, 555-1212 will get the number for you in about 5 seconds! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 18 04:23:31 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:23:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going Message-ID: <20050518112319.JSZD17609.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Good to see one famous name in the Aussie old iron hobby is still going strong: http://www.furphys.com.au/ Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ivancou at alltel.net Wed May 18 04:26:32 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:26:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net><200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Roger , But by using different size pulleys you can run the engine slower but still have the gen turning at 3600 rpm . I have a frequency meter , its running at 115 V 60.7 cyc under a 2000 watt load . The slower rpm s make for less engine noise , although less hp available . Ivan From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 04:37:20 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Three good links to cleaning rust-Electrolysis and tea bath. In-Reply-To: <209.1373249.2fbc075d@aol.com> References: <209.1373249.2fbc075d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1721.165.206.180.144.1116416240.squirrel@antique-engines.com> And I've had this one for several years now: http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Bill > Hey Fellows; > > I thought these links would go along good with our old engine > restorations, > > _http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm_ > (http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm) > > _http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm_ > (http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust2.htm) > > _http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm_ > (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm) > > See'ya, > > Bill Miller > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed May 18 04:46:01 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:46:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur (oh yeah OT) In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <428B2AF9.5080104@imc-group.com> But Peter, it is so much more fun to: 1) Post off topic requests without using the OT preface. 2) Type 100+ pieces of text asking the question that 10 letters of text in google.com or 16 letters of text at amerihostinn.com would answer. 3) Plus there is the added bonus of knowing that 300+ people will have to use their delete key. Curt ;-) P.S. My apologies in advance for your having to use the delete key for this superfluous post. Listerdiesel wrote: >On 5/18/05, Paul Maples wrote: > > >>Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. >> >>Paul >> It's all on Google, Paul: >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>Amerihost Inn Decatur >>1201 South 13th Street >>Decatur IN 46733 >>Tel: 1 219 728-4600 >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>Peter >> >> From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 18 05:09:58 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:09:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232727.04129640@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007201c55ba2$84e002b0$230110ac@PAUL> Greetings and Salutations Sir Dave, You must remember that old age has slowly but surely invaded this physical connection I have to Mother Earth, the body which contains the mind and brain neither of which is functioning at anywhere near normal capacity. I spent all of my thoughts trying to find my way home everyday and looking far a place to pee. Your kind response is appreciated and I will look for a storage place in the brain that is still working to store this information. Now my friend, go and have a Great Day!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur > At 09:45 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >>Can someone send me the telephone number of the Amerihost Hotel at >>Decatur, IN? I need to try and make reservations if it is not too late. >>Paul > > My goodness, 555-1212 will get the number for you in about 5 seconds! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 05:21:34 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - be careful when lining your truck beds........ In-Reply-To: <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net><200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <2027.165.206.180.144.1116418894.squirrel@antique-engines.com> http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18595&pagenumber=1 Bill From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 05:40:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:40:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605051805402e95cd6f@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: > >I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference > >between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > >R Fink > >PA > > It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > Dave C'mon Dave, your a day behind on that one! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 05:48:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Need Tel# of AmeriHost in Decatur (oh yeah OT) In-Reply-To: <428B2AF9.5080104@imc-group.com> References: <00dd01c55b4b$53526230$230110ac@PAUL> <6f60251605051719217770782a@mail.gmail.com> <428B2AF9.5080104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605051805487d9a846c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Curt wrote: > But Peter, it is so much more fun to: > 1) Post off topic requests without using the OT preface. > 2) Type 100+ pieces of text asking the question that 10 letters of text > in google.com or 16 letters of text at amerihostinn.com would answer. 3) > Plus there is the added bonus of knowing that 300+ people will have to > use their delete key. > Curt ;-) > P.S. My apologies in advance for your having to use the delete key for > this superfluous post. Actually I was up at 3.00am our time with a bad head cold and it was something to do while some medication (non-alcoholic!) took effect. I must admit to using Google a lot, and usually I tend to go there for information before anywhere else, so it's second nature to punch in the question and get the info. I am surprised more folks don't use it for basic stuff, it is very effective once you get used to phrasing search material so that you get useful data back. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed May 18 05:49:07 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:49:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinerymovementinAustralia!!! In-Reply-To: <003901c55adc$c0262f00$369781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Hi Peter, in my opinion i dont think too many engines will end up in the scrap heap as the two local srapies here drag any of that sort of stuff out of the heaps.All i have been able to find out is they are going to someone else ( wether they be dealers or collectors i dont know) Either way they are being saved.As for the farmers around most of them go to clearing sales so they would have seen the prices old engines bring which is better than scrap prices. I'm not overly worried and this is my opinion. David. >From: "peter ogborne" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical >machinerymovementinAustralia!!! >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 > >And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be prevented >from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up and loaded >into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking all this It >will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! >All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie the >farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery >movementinAustralia!!! > > >> >>>Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>>machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>>it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>>export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>>countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >> >>>Peter A Forbes >> >>Peter, >> >>The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >>the country. >> >>When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >>and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >>the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >>the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >> >>Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >>the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >>known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >>Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >>rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >>paperwork on stating it could be exported. >> >>I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >>to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >> >>Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >>supplemental income as part of their job. >> >>George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 06:02:18 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT SPAM In-Reply-To: <6f60251605051719423f31ef93@mail.gmail.com> References: <428A9F40.6080608@mac.com> <6f60251605051719423f31ef93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2194.165.206.180.144.1116421338.squirrel@antique-engines.com> They can also watch for creation of new registered domains. If you look at the headers of some spam, you'll see it's a fact, they simply mass-mail to randomly generated names at domains. Domains they can verify exist, the names they generate by the millions. Since it only takes like a 1 percent response for them to make big bucks, the payoff is high. Bill > On 5/18/05, Jeffrey Allen wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> My new domain has been up for two days. I have sent the URL to four >> people on the damn planet to date. I already got spam from it, and I >> don't even have a mailbox there yet. Forget the bs with e-mail and >> hiding it. Ain't gonna work. I do hope he enjoys his copy of the Diesel >> Story I sent him. Least I can do is take some space and bandwidth for >> this jerk. >> >> Sigh, >> >> Jeff Allen > > Most spammers use random domain and email name generation these days, > Jeff, so you're going to get hit eventually. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 06:14:49 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <2225.165.206.180.144.1116422089.squirrel@antique-engines.com> It can't if your exhaust valve doesn't open...... Bill > At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >>I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference >>between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? >>R Fink >>PA > > It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 18 06:35:19 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:35:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going References: <20050518112319.JSZD17609.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <000d01c55bae$70384460$8d85dccb@oemcomputer> That's a great site mate.Just had a look and found it of real interest. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:23 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going > Good to see one famous name in the Aussie old iron hobby is still going > strong: > http://www.furphys.com.au/ > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 06:49:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:49:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <2225.165.206.180.144.1116422089.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> <2225.165.206.180.144.1116422089.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160505180649778e65fb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > It can't if your exhaust valve doesn't open...... > > Bill > > > At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: > >>I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference > >>between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? > >>R Fink > >>PA > > > > It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > > Dave > > Haven't checked my clack valve lately..... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From plb at iinet.net.au Wed May 18 06:51:33 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:51:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going References: <20050518112319.JSZD17609.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <000d01c55bae$70384460$8d85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011201c55bb0$b3f3d3c0$0501010a@Portable> Just been having a look myself. Had no idea they are still were operating on such a scale. Another tank similar to the Furphy was the Fitz made in Wagga. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] A Historic Name still going > That's a great site mate.Just had a look and found it of real interest. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:23 > Subject: [SEL] A Historic Name still going > > >> Good to see one famous name in the Aussie old iron hobby is still going >> strong: >> http://www.furphys.com.au/ >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 18 06:58:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:58:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines Message-ID: G'day all; I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but other show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted one. later, RickinMt. From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 18 08:08:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:08:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <20050518.110832.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff Thanks for posting YOUR club's rules. I seriously don't believe anyone would actually try to enforce these rules as they are written. If so - I don't think I would care to attend. Either as an Exhibitor - or - a Spectator. They may be written this way to protect the club should something happen. As for the clothing issue. It's pretty hard to tell a person he can't attend because of the appearance of his clothes. They may be greasy from working on something or they may be "stained" from grease & dirt (as many of mine are). I can put on a pair of jeans that look greasy but are actually clean. I would have to ask why they even put that comment in there. There must be a reason other than to look nice. Alcohol - - - How ya gonna tell someone he can't bring in a few beers in his cooler ? If he gets drunk and outta hand - - - Then the CLUB is protected. I've never seen a club that wouldn't accept a member at ANY age. Just my 2 cents. From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed May 18 08:19:49 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:19:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net><200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com><008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> Yes this is possible, but The rule of thumb is 2 hp per kilowatt at 3600 RPM and 4 HP per kilowatt at 1800 rpm. The losses are large and yes there is some wiggle room Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "ivan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator > Roger , But by using different size pulleys you can run the engine slower > but still have the gen turning at 3600 rpm . I have a frequency meter , > its > running at 115 V 60.7 cyc under a 2000 watt load . The slower rpm s make > for > less engine noise , although less hp available . Ivan > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 08:50:27 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <20050518.110832.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050518.110832.608.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <3193.165.206.180.144.1116431427.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Our club has a family membership option - you can join as an individual, or pay just a little more and the whole family is in - regardless of age. Bill > Hi Jeff > > Thanks for posting YOUR club's rules. > > I seriously don't believe anyone would actually try to enforce these > rules as they are written. > If so - I don't think I would care to attend. Either as an Exhibitor - > or - a Spectator. > > They may be written this way to protect the club should something happen. > > As for the clothing issue. It's pretty hard to tell a person he can't > attend because of the appearance of his clothes. They may be greasy from > working on something or they may be "stained" from grease & dirt (as many > of mine are). I can put on a pair of jeans that look greasy but are > actually clean. > > I would have to ask why they even put that comment in there. There must > be a reason other than to look nice. > > Alcohol - - - How ya gonna tell someone he can't bring in a few beers in > his cooler ? If he gets drunk and outta hand - - - Then the CLUB is > protected. > > I've never seen a club that wouldn't accept a member at ANY age. > > Just my 2 cents. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed May 18 09:55:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Thanks for posting those rules for your club. Some wag (WC Fields, Groucho Marks, Mark Twain, ???) once said that they wouldn't want to join any club that would have them as a member. I certainly would have nothing whatsoever to do with a club that felt a need to promulgate rules such as these. I really hope that you include a copy of these rules in your advertising for club events so that folks can make an informed choice about whether to attend or not. I have a couple of comments on the rules. No alcohol. If this is a "pro forma" rule, then OK. Perhaps half the shows I attend have such a rule posted. If they actually enforce it, then I will not attend. I don't as a rule drink either water or soft drinks at a show. A cold beer OTOH is a nice refreshment. Grownups need to be held accountable for their actions. Stupidity around machinery can also happen to a Pepsi drinker. To penelize someone for their choice of beverage is simply stupid. I've been to a great many English engine rallys and have enjoyed the beer tent. As with drinking at shows in the US, moderation is the key while the engines are running. Recognizing that some folks are still mentally in the 1920's (especially in the Bible belt) and regard all alcohol as "The Demon Rum", I will generally be discreet and drink my beer from a covered coffee mug. It also keeps the wasps out. 8-)) Display Areas. I will never attend any show that prohibits spectators around the machinery. As Reg said, what's the point? If I choose to allow a young engine man to start one of my engines (as I've done a number of times with my Lorenz), that's my call. RPM Requirements. This is just plain stupid. Steam Engines. The mind boggles. I'm not into steam, but my guess is that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban every out of state steamer. It would make sense to require that the steamer and operator meet the requirements of their home state. And for sure, you better make THIS requirement known in ALL of your advertising. Someone who had trucked a huge Case to your show only to be told, "Sorry mate, you're not licensed in Colorado." would be SERIOUSLY pissed off. Dress Code. That is the most priceless bit. The mind boggles. I sincerly would love to meet the TWIT to whom this matters!! CLEARLY, your club needs to add one more rule specifying in DETAIL the standard of restoration and rarity that will be permitted for exhibits at club shows. It's obviously as important that one doesn't exhibit a tatty Maytag as that one exhibits in natty knickers. BTW, DO NOT expect to find my application to join your club. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol > thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have > beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. > Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running > engines. Once the day is done would be another story. > > I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the > time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. > Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll > try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his > age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the > rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance > company put the pressure on. > > The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception > of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to > tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I > do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now > I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other > places, and with other clubs. > > As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: > http://frapa.us/Ins.html > http://frapa.us/Safety.html > http://frapa.us/Code.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 18 10:12:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:12:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator In-Reply-To: <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> <000401c55b9c$71da87e0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <6f60251605051810122759b46c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/05, Roger DiRuscio wrote: > Yes this is possible, but The rule of thumb is 2 hp per kilowatt at 3600 RPM > and 4 HP per kilowatt at 1800 rpm. The losses are large > and yes there is some wiggle room > When we used to build silenced generators for the film & TV industries, we made up sound deadening panels from a steel tray, filled with rockwool, covered in polythene and then covered with perforated steel or ali sheet. It is also possible to get lead sheet bonded with foam that is almost as good and slightly lighter. The aim is to absorb the sound and stop it reflecting out from the source off nearby objects. One of the most difficult things we had to silence was the cooling fan on one of the 50kW gennies. This had a particularly noisy whine which we had a lot of trouble getting rid of as it was placed adjacent to a join in two of the panels. In the end we made an internal mini-cover that sat across the fan opening and took out the worst of the noise, allowing the main covers to do the rest. High frequencies tend to be noticed more than low, and I think we got down to 3dbA at 3metres or about 10 feet, mainly in the sub-50hz frequencies from the cabinet itself vibrating from the engine movement. The larger sets had labrynth air passages in the doors to allow cooling air in and out. A simple U shaped cover with sound-deadening material inside should work well, but you'd need to experiment with placing of the cover with respect to the engine cooling fan and the place of most noise emission. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed May 18 10:54:08 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3423.165.206.180.144.1116438848.squirrel@antique-engines.com> C'mon, Arnie - all they want is for the FATG to dress like Oliver W. Douglas when he runs his plow! Even Arnold was always clean and well dressed. Priceless is a nice word............... Bill > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks for posting those rules for your club. Some wag (WC Fields, > Groucho Marks, Mark Twain, ???) once said that they wouldn't want to join > any club that would have them as a member. > > I certainly would have nothing whatsoever to do with a club that felt a > need to promulgate rules such as these. I really hope that you include a > copy of these rules in your advertising for club events so that folks can > make an informed choice about whether to attend or not. > > I have a couple of comments on the rules. > > No alcohol. If this is a "pro forma" rule, then OK. Perhaps half the > shows I attend have such a rule posted. If they actually enforce it, then > I will not attend. I don't as a rule drink either water or soft drinks at > a show. A cold beer OTOH is a nice refreshment. Grownups need to be held > accountable for their actions. Stupidity around machinery can also happen > to a Pepsi drinker. To penelize someone for their choice of beverage is > simply stupid. I've been to a great many English engine rallys and have > enjoyed the beer tent. As with drinking at shows in the US, moderation is > the key while the engines are running. Recognizing that some folks are > still mentally in the 1920's (especially in the Bible belt) and regard all > alcohol as "The Demon Rum", I will generally be discreet and drink my > beer from a covered coffee mug. It also keeps the wasps out. 8-)) > > Display Areas. I will never attend any show that prohibits spectators > around the machinery. As Reg said, what's the point? If I choose to > allow a young engine man to start one of my engines (as I've done a number > of times with my Lorenz), that's my call. > > RPM Requirements. This is just plain stupid. > > Steam Engines. The mind boggles. I'm not into steam, but my guess is > that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler > inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban > every out of state steamer. It would make sense to require that the > steamer and operator meet the requirements of their home state. And for > sure, you better make THIS requirement known in ALL of your advertising. > Someone who had trucked a huge Case to your show only to be told, "Sorry > mate, you're not licensed in Colorado." would be SERIOUSLY pissed off. > > Dress Code. That is the most priceless bit. The mind boggles. I > sincerly would love to meet the TWIT to whom this matters!! CLEARLY, your > club needs to add one more rule specifying in DETAIL the standard of > restoration and rarity that will be permitted for exhibits at club shows. > It's obviously as important that one doesn't exhibit a tatty Maytag as > that one exhibits in natty knickers. > > BTW, DO NOT expect to find my application to join your club. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jeff Allen wrote: > >> The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol >> thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have >> beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show. >> Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running >> engines. Once the day is done would be another story. >> >> I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the >> time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before. >> Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll >> try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his >> age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the >> rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance >> company put the pressure on. >> >> The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception >> of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to >> tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I >> do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now >> I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other >> places, and with other clubs. >> >> As always, comments are welcome. Links are here: >> http://frapa.us/Ins.html >> http://frapa.us/Safety.html >> http://frapa.us/Code.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed May 18 15:15:38 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:15:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator -- RULES OF THUMB In-Reply-To: <004801c55bbd$0941c920$74007643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <200505182215.j4IMFeGu029914@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > The rule of thumb is 2 hp per kilowatt at 3600 RPM > and 4 HP per kilowatt at 1800 rpm. Keep your fingers out of the moving machinery or you'll be all thumbs and unable to push the buttons on your calculator to figure out math problems. Rob From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed May 18 15:17:21 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Trivia for OZ listeners. In-Reply-To: <200505180344.j4I3itvo009621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200505180344.j4I3itvo009621@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <2de07488cf0a71ba3a7e98dca415567c@chartertn.net> Rob, if you study them closely, you'll find that there are readily identifiable differences. Half of them are just like Crocodile Dundee. The other half are just like Steve Irwin. ;-) John On May 17, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Hi John, > Who can tell? All those Aussies look alike! > > Rob John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed May 18 18:17:22 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out eBay item 4381307417 (Ends May-17-05 11:36:58 PDT) - Universal TDC In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> References: <1fd.1bbc44c.2fbabea2@aol.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050517065040.01a746a0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050517232939.02220b10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050518181657.01a7c040@mail.pennswoods.net> Yes if it is not to big R Fink At 08:30 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >At 09:52 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote: >>I have always wondered how a unit like that can tell the difference >>between compression and exhaust stroke.??????????????? >>R Fink >>PA > >It's magic! Do you want to buy a bridge? > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed May 18 15:54:43 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:54:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: Message-ID: <000701c55bfc$98f3d510$089081cb@ogborneuah38i3> You may be correct David ,I just feel that the proposed scale of Smorgons operation may be the problem .Also the older farmers possibly have an appreciation for the heritage / value of the items but the younger ones who see $$$$ in these difficult times may want to make money to buy that new piece of machinery ....and who can blame them for that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > Hi Peter, in my opinion i dont think too many engines will end up in the > scrap heap as the two local srapies here drag any of that sort of stuff > out of the heaps.All i have been able to find out is they are going to > someone else ( wether they be dealers or collectors i dont know) Either > way they are being saved.As for the farmers around most of them go to > clearing sales so they would have seen the prices old engines bring which > is better than scrap prices. I'm not overly worried and this is my > opinion. David. > >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical >>machinerymovementinAustralia!!! >>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 >> >>And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be >>prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up >>and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking >>all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! >>All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie >>the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery >>movementinAustralia!!! >> >> >>> >>>>Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' >>>>machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly >>>>it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an >>>>export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only >>>>countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. >>> >>>>Peter A Forbes >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>>The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of >>>the country. >>> >>>When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in >>>and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving >>>the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving >>>the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. >>> >>>Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving >>>the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only >>>known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. >>>Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the >>>rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official >>>paperwork on stating it could be exported. >>> >>>I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went >>>to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. >>> >>>Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making >>>supplemental income as part of their job. >>> >>>George >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed May 18 16:34:51 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:34:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator -- RULES OF THUMB(OT) Message-ID: <1f6.a0c0ae9.2fbd2b1b@aol.com> Hi Rob, If you save the severed finger and thumb tips (don't give in to the offer to sell them to some Wendy's patron) you can use them as ear plugs, thus reducing the level of perceived noise from not only the generator, but also fellow campers who shout at you to shut the damned thing down. Just a handy tip....no need to thank me. Ron In a message dated 5/18/2005 5:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: Keep your fingers out of the moving machinery or you'll be all thumbs and unable to push the buttons on your calculator to figure out math problems. Rob From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 18 17:34:53 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:34:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <428BDF2D.6020002@earthlink.net> Hi all, I didn't know if rules like this were standard or not. Seems they are not. Gave a lot of thought today, and enjoyed the many comments from all of you. There is one in the "Code of Conduct" that really hit home for me. I think it may have been meant for me. It reads: " Each member will never allow personal feelings to deter them from their responsibilities as an officer, director, or member of the club." I think the club should look into invitations to show our stuff. I think these invitations should be in the newsletter, and each individual should be allowed to make their own choice on attending or not. I don't think the bored of directors should blow them all off. Those are my personal feelings on this. Do those personal feeling deter from my responsibilities as a member? Hell I'm not even sure what my responsibilities as a member are. I would think promoting the club by way of showing at others events would be in the best interest of all. Perhaps that might even be part of my responsibility as member. Oops!! There are those pesky personal feeling again. I think I just broke article 3, section 5 of the by-laws. What the hell. If the short one and I can't both be behind the rope to show who cares if I'm kicked out or not. Ain't lost much there have I ? Wish I could make Portland. Maybe Missoula and Bird City this year. Sigh! Not a happy camper tonight. Thanks for all your comments folks, Jeff Allen P.S. I wish Arnie would start spelling his last name right. Spell checker kicks it every time, and it has to be write on this. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed May 18 17:51:35 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:51:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Distasterous news for thehistoricalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! References: <000701c55bfc$98f3d510$089081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <00ba01c55c0c$e8767f10$210110ac@service> Hi guys, i have sold scrap to a big dealer in our capital city for a number of years now, they do country runs and pick up everything, i have asked if they will put any engines aside but said if your here and see something you want grab it otherwise too bad, i have seen a lot of old ploughs etc and a couple of vintage tractors get chopped up. Chester from West Aussie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for thehistoricalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > You may be correct David ,I just feel that the proposed scale of Smorgons > operation may be the problem .Also the older farmers possibly have an > appreciation for the heritage / value of the items but the younger ones who > see $$$$ in these difficult times may want to make money to buy that new > piece of machinery ....and who can blame them for that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Nicolson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the > historicalmachinerymovementinAustralia!!! > > > > Hi Peter, in my opinion i dont think too many engines will end up in the > > scrap heap as the two local srapies here drag any of that sort of stuff > > out of the heaps.All i have been able to find out is they are going to > > someone else ( wether they be dealers or collectors i dont know) Either > > way they are being saved.As for the farmers around most of them go to > > clearing sales so they would have seen the prices old engines bring which > > is better than scrap prices. I'm not overly worried and this is my > > opinion. David. > > > >>From: "peter ogborne" > >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical > >>machinerymovementinAustralia!!! > >>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:14 +0800 > >> > >>And how do you propose that rare and significant machinery can be > >>prevented from being sold as scrap . All this ''Scrap '' will be heaped up > >>and loaded into ships . I can just imagine the "Heritage Police'' checking > >>all this It will be manifested as scrap ....end of story! > >>All i am saying is that i hope the sellers put aside [ at the source,ie > >>the farm ] what are considered rare and significant items. > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" > >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:49 AM > >>Subject: RE: [SEL] Distasterous news for the historical machinery > >>movementinAustralia!!! > >> > >> > >>> > >>>>Your Government put up a law banning exports of 'rare and significant' > >>>>machinery, so the good stuff should be protected? Certainly > >>>>it cannot 'officially' be sold to overseas buyers without an > >>>>export licence as I understand it, and Oz and NZ are the only > >>>>countries that I am aware of that have these restrictions on old iron. > >>> > >>>>Peter A Forbes > >>> > >>>Peter, > >>> > >>>The Czech Republic also now requires paperwork to get an engine out of > >>>the country. > >>> > >>>When the Czech Republic first opened up, engine collectors flooded in > >>>and great quantities of Czech sideshafts and other engines were leaving > >>>the country. Someone finally realized that these engines were leaving > >>>the country and they now have to okay any engines leaving the country. > >>> > >>>Of course as expected, that still doesn't stop good engines from leaving > >>>the country. I got a "3hp Little" engine out of there and it's the only > >>>known water cooled Little to exist according to the Czech engine dealer. > >>>Just takes a little extra payment to get the proper paperwork. It's the > >>>rarest Czech engine I have and also the only one that I have official > >>>paperwork on stating it could be exported. > >>> > >>>I believe Harry had to pay something at the border as well when he went > >>>to pick up the engines and bring them back to his place. > >>> > >>>Oz may work differently as officials there may not be use to making > >>>supplemental income as part of their job. > >>> > >>>George > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SEL mailing list > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed May 18 19:41:59 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:41:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <20050518.225114.900.0.jlb94@juno.com> I'm not up on the law - but - I've got a comment on this one. As far as Pennsylvania Law goes - Any boiler with a pressure of over 15 lbs. MUST be inspected and certified in Pennsylvania or it cannot be operated in public. I've seen several people from Ohio & W.VA bring steam to a show and not be able to run it. I don't THINK there is a law requiring an operator's certification. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 18 20:29:06 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:29:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <20050518.225114.900.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050518.225114.900.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <428C0802.3010506@earthlink.net> Hells Bells Joe, I think all of the BS rules my club imposed would keep anyone from attending. Steam is way cool, and Bird City is a go to place for that. Well regualated and a great time for all. My letter to the board tonight will probably end my membership. I did talk at length with a couple steam tractor folks last year. It's getting harder for them to show those great machines. Jeff Joseph L Betz wrote: >I'm not up on the law - but - I've got a comment on this one. >As far as Pennsylvania Law goes - Any boiler with a pressure of over 15 >lbs. >MUST be inspected and certified in Pennsylvania or it cannot be operated >in public. >I've seen several people from Ohio & W.VA bring steam to a show and not >be able to run it. >I don't THINK there is a law requiring an operator's certification. > >that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler >inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively >ban >every out of state steamer. > > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >,-._,-. "What I can do, >\/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) >(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Wed May 18 21:20:11 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:20:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <428BDF2D.6020002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Jeff, I have been following this thread with interest. I am a very low key old engine fan. I have a couple cheaper engines, but nothing really "collectible". IH As (both sizes), a Sattley solid flywheel hit n miss. Also, I have several old(er) David Bradley walk-behind garden tractors and associated implements. I say all of this to point out that I am by NO means one of the powerhouses in the old engine movement. But NOWHERE have I been able to find a more likeable group of folks, and I surely do enjoy their company and engines. My involvement with the hobby is just as (or more so) social than as a collector. I am also becoming an elder statesman (curmudgeon?), and there is NO WAY I could deal with the "PC" rules that your club has adopted. IMHO, the younger, more PC attuned folks have attained management / power of the club, and are going to take it to where THEY want to take it, not where most of the members want to take it. My solution with such truck has been simply to accept it and go my own way; I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From guitronics at comcast.net Thu May 19 02:41:51 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:41:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator In-Reply-To: <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> References: <200505170050.j4H0ooov006124@pine.epix.net> <200505180119.j4I1JWRa048370@smtp2.abac.com> <008201c55b4b$c610c5f0$440d7643@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <428C5F5F.20906@comcast.net> Check out this site: www.utterpower.com . Roger DiRuscio wrote: > You really cant change the generator RPM,s with out messing up the cps > (60cps) You can make a 10 to 15% difference with mufflers and > barriers, but thats about it. > Sell it and spent some extra money on a 4 pole 1800 RPM gen-set. or > better yet one of the Honda EU series with built in inverters. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tiefenbrunn" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator > > >> At 11:06 AM 5/17/2005 -0400, Ivan wrote: >> >>> But how to quiet it down a little more ? >>> I would like to put a smaller pulley on the gen itself so that I can >>> lower >>> the speed a little more ,target is1800 rpm and I have one of the lo >>> tone >>> mufflers from briggs .So its a little quieter than a jet turbine . >> >> >> I was at an event where we had to run one of those noisy things. I >> found >> that folding table laid over on it's side made a wall between the >> genny and >> us that took a lot of the "bite" out of the noise. Higher & denser >> material (plywood / particle board) would be more effective. A heavy >> blanket or rug on the genny side would help even more. The barrier >> can be >> a couple feet away from the genny. It does have to be high enough to >> block >> the "line of site" between the genny and the ears that don't want to >> hear it. >> >> Dave >> >> >> David Tief. N1WWY >> Visit our web page at: http://users.abac.com/dandatief >> Fight Spam: http://www.hostedscripts.com/scripts/antispam.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 19 04:55:59 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 07:55:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <1d7.3cd95ce4.2fbdd8cf@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/2005 11:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << Steam Engines. The mind boggles. I'm not into steam, but my guess is that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban every out of state steamer. >> Joe, I am not a steam person either, but it is my understanding that some states reciprocate the licenses/inspections, and others do not. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 19 05:10:29 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <428BDF2D.6020002@earthlink.net> <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <1025.165.206.180.144.1116504629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Gene - >>I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. << No offense, but Thank goodness our founding fathers didn't believe that...... We thought similar at our own club, but after about 6 years of fighting what was happening, change has finally been put into motion. The goons are out, new blood in, things getting back to good again. It got messy, tempers flared, fights broke out, there was table pounding, etc. but it worked. Bill > Jeff, > > I have been following this thread with interest. > > I am a very low key old engine fan. I have a couple cheaper engines, but > nothing really "collectible". IH As (both sizes), a Sattley solid > flywheel > hit n miss. > > Also, I have several old(er) David Bradley walk-behind garden tractors and > associated implements. > > I say all of this to point out that I am by NO means one of the > powerhouses > in the old engine movement. But NOWHERE have I been able to find a more > likeable group of folks, and I surely do enjoy their company and engines. > My involvement with the hobby is just as (or more so) social than as a > collector. > > I am also becoming an elder statesman (curmudgeon?), and there is NO WAY I > could deal with the "PC" rules that your club has adopted. > > IMHO, the younger, more PC attuned folks have attained management / power > of > the club, and are going to take it to where THEY want to take it, not > where > most of the members want to take it. > > My solution with such truck has been simply to accept it and go my own > way; > I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. > > > Gene > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 19 07:22:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules Message-ID: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, With that nonsense in Medina, OH (Boiler Explosion), the owner of the land where we had Tri-State Hist. Steam Engine Assoc. show in Finleyville, PA, said - - - "We're not having any more shows on my land." With that - Rumors started flying about insurance cost getting way too high - and - Inspections getting way too strict. Problem was they were all rumors. Tri-State started looking for a different site and the only thing that looked promising was joining with Washington County Fair. However - They wouldn't INSURE steam. Well hell - We're a STEAM club. What good is a STEAM SHOW without STEAM.? We finally decided to dissolve and die with dignity. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From bill at antique-engines.com Thu May 19 08:07:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1886.165.206.180.144.1116515259.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Allied Insurance of Des Moines recently put an airplane in the air, photographing properties through Iowa with trampolines. They took those photos, figured out which properties with trampolines in the yard were owned by their policy holders, and promptly sent letters stating their homeowners insurance was going up by $300/year. It's a fact - was on the news and my wife's cousin showed us the letter last weekend. Bill > Hi Jeff, > > With that nonsense in Medina, OH (Boiler Explosion), the owner of the > land > where we had Tri-State Hist. Steam Engine Assoc. show in Finleyville, PA, > said - - - > "We're not having any more shows on my land." > > With that - Rumors started flying about insurance cost getting way too > high - > and - Inspections getting way too strict. > > Problem was they were all rumors. > > Tri-State started looking for a different site and the only thing that > looked promising was joining with Washington County Fair. > However - They wouldn't INSURE steam. > > Well hell - We're a STEAM club. What good is a STEAM SHOW without > STEAM.? > > We finally decided to dissolve and die with dignity. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 19 12:51:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:51:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally Message-ID: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All, Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with pleasure for you to see. We had a very good International show with participators from Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the real engine men doesn't care :o)) Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought a few engine there. The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 19 13:09:47 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, WOW, amazing show! Is it always in May? I'll be in Amsterdam at a conference in May 2008. It would be fantastic to add a major engine show to the trip!! BTW, did you get the S/N and particulars for that awesome Lorenz? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005file/Lorenz.jpg Also this one... http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005file/lorenz3-4hp.jpg I'm looking forward to looking at those engines much more slowly. The vast majority of them I've never heard of. Thanks for taking the time to share this show with us. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 19 May 2005, John Hammink wrote: > The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu May 19 13:26:39 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:26:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tapered Gib Key Message-ID: A few weeks ago you folks gave me a couple of sources to get a new gib key from. I lost the messages with that info so I need help again. The key I'm looking for is a little bigger than what fits your 1.5 hp Hercules. The keyway is 5/8" wide and the total length of the original key was about 11". The key engaged the hub for about 7". Where can I find a key long enough to secure my flywheel? From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 19 13:30:13 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:30:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> G'Day Jeff Just one stupid question by me, are you sure it is not all a joke as the Rule as posted seemed to me of poor quality and without a letter head for an official Club document. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu May 19 13:58:27 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:58:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000f01c55cb5$8499b8f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Arnie the 2008 show will be in the May 11-12 long weekend, it always is at Whitsun. You already have the S/N of that big one, the other is coming. John H. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu May 19 14:13:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:13:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tapered Gib Key Message-ID: <1e8.3b8f279b.2fbe5b85@aol.com> In a message dated 5/19/2005 4:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andyglines at hotmail.com writes: << The keyway is 5/8" wide and the total length of the original key was about 11". >> That must be some special gibb key as the longest McMaster Carr lists is 6 inches long for a 5/8 tapered Gibb key. Are you sure you are not talking about a 5/8 square key? If the Hercules engine has split flywheel then it uses a square key rather than a Gibb key. If you need 5/8 square key then lots of hardware places sell key stock in long pieces. If you need a tapered 11 inches then I believe you will have to have one specially machined. Machining dimensions for the tapered key are 1/8 inch per foot of key, or .0104 thousands per inch. Any good machine shop can make you one. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 19 15:54:01 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:54:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <018f01c55cc5$ac1076c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Well our lot is a joke so.................................... Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules > G'Day Jeff > > Just one stupid question by me, are you sure it is not all a joke as the > Rule as posted seemed to me of poor quality and without a letter head for > an official Club document. > > Kerry From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 16:03:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:03:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules In-Reply-To: <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> References: <20050519.103231.1344.4.jlb94@juno.com> <002c01c55cb1$8fb41e00$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <428D1B54.4030108@earthlink.net> Hi Kerry, It is not a joke. The poor quality is because I reduced the scans for quicker download. Jeff Kerry wrote: > G'Day Jeff > > Just one stupid question by me, are you sure it is not all a joke as > the Rule as posted seemed to me of poor quality and without a letter > head for an official Club document. > > Kerry > > Lithgow NSW Oz > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 19 16:06:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:06:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by the NHMA Message-ID: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National Historical Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are we ? I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out who the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of the policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other insurance policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the policy. I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy , not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 16:51:03 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:51:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules/ and now the BS In-Reply-To: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200505190420.j4J4K6v18952@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <428D2667.5030307@earthlink.net> Hi Gene and list, It is sad but true that the folks in power are not PC younger folks. They have all been members for some time, and they don't like any new or fresh ideas. Same old same old. Why change, or even attempt to change for the better. A good example is the show I tried to put together for July. I can do it with their blessing, but it won't be sanctioned by the club, and they won't run it in the newsletter. As a new member I haven't made enough contacts to put a show together. I need the newsletter to reach members interested in a show. I received a response from the VP today. I didn't get kicked out, probably because I own the clubs domain. Not real bright on their part. I did get a line of BS though, or I'm a complete idiot and have no idea what I read. > "Insurance: using your example, Jeff, if you want your grand-son > behind the ropes at Cider Days feel free to do so. I don't think it is > a good idea but you know him better than I. You can have him sit on > your running engine if you want. If he is with you he is NOT insured > by our insurance anyway. The short one (age 7) can't be insured by the club. He is too young as I read the minimum age is 14. Since he is not a member or insured wouldn't he be considered a spectator? Aren't spectators supposed to be covered by the insurance? Oh, and the part about "spectators are strictly forbidden in any running display area" doesn't apply to him because...? I'm sorry but I don't understand. Guess I are a idiot. Time for a break. Jeff PS, Define "collectable" Gene. I have enjoyed watching engines like yours run several times. That's what counts. Gene Waugh wrote: >Jeff, > >I have been following this thread with interest. > >I am a very low key old engine fan. I have a couple cheaper engines, but >nothing really "collectible". IH As (both sizes), a Sattley solid flywheel >hit n miss. > >Also, I have several old(er) David Bradley walk-behind garden tractors and >associated implements. > >I say all of this to point out that I am by NO means one of the powerhouses >in the old engine movement. But NOWHERE have I been able to find a more >likeable group of folks, and I surely do enjoy their company and engines. >My involvement with the hobby is just as (or more so) social than as a >collector. > >I am also becoming an elder statesman (curmudgeon?), and there is NO WAY I >could deal with the "PC" rules that your club has adopted. > >IMHO, the younger, more PC attuned folks have attained management / power of >the club, and are going to take it to where THEY want to take it, not where >most of the members want to take it. > >My solution with such truck has been simply to accept it and go my own way; >I have come to accept that there is no way I can stop or change it. > > >Gene >Gene Waugh >Elgin, Illinois USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 17:16:59 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:16:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by the NHMA In-Reply-To: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <428D2C7B.3090002@earthlink.net> Hi Peter, I agree that all members should have a copy of the insurance policy that covers them. I don't think it is common though, and would you be able to understand it if you had a copy? Most are not written to be understood. IMHO the Edge and TA offered in this country is probably one of the best. You can go online and get a lot of information. My club had a falling out many years ago and I won't mention them again. Jeff peter ogborne wrote: > We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National > Historical > Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of > insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we > have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but > are we ? > I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found > out who > the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy > of the > policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other > insurance > policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the > policy. > I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this > policy , > not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . > Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu May 19 17:21:09 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:21:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The chalange Message-ID: <428D2D75.1030607@earthlink.net> Hi all, Here is a snip if you care to respond do so to me and I will forward it. > If our rules are so draconian and nobody in there right mind would > want to be a member of our club, I am very interested in seeing a copy > of their safety rules..just to compare...maybe the safety committee is > way off base ...let me know. Jeff From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu May 19 17:17:17 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:17:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by theNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Peter All club Secretaries should be sent a copy of the new policy. This does not mean they will get a copy each year - only a copy of the renewal notice if the policy has not changed. If your club Secretary has not got a copy then they should request a copy from the NHMA Secretary. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by theNHMA > We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National Historical > Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of > insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we > have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are we ? > I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out who > the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of the > policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other insurance > policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the policy. > I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy , > not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . > Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu May 19 18:47:23 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:47:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The chalange Message-ID: <20050519.220329.284.11.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jeff, I would have to say - In all the years I was on the board of Tri-State Steam, I've never seen a set of rules. I suppose they MIGHT be in the "By-Laws". A book that I've never read. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:21:09 -0600 Jeff Allen writes: > Hi all, > > Here is a snip if you care to respond do so to me and I will forward > it. > > > > > If our rules are so draconian and nobody in there right mind would > > > want to be a member of our club, I am very interested in seeing a > copy > > of their safety rules..just to compare...maybe the safety > committee is > > way off base ...let me know. > > > Jeff > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ELIDAS at aol.com Thu May 19 19:42:00 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:42:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] reducing noise on portable generator Message-ID: <92.273b5713.2fbea878@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/2005 10:32:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, solarrog at pacbell.net writes: But how to quiet it down a little more ? There is a collector that shows around New England that has a Kohler with the exhaust running into a "muffler" submerged in a five gallon bucket of water. The only thing you can hear when running is the tappets. Mike Semanoff From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu May 19 19:39:57 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:39:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA > Peter > > All club Secretaries should be sent a copy of the new policy. This does > not > mean they will get a copy each year - only a copy of the renewal notice if > the policy has not changed. If your club Secretary has not got a copy > then > they should request a copy from the NHMA Secretary. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by > theNHMA > > >> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National > Historical >> Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of >> insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we >> have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are >> we > ? >> I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out > who >> the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of > the >> policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other > insurance >> policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the > policy. >> I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy > , >> not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . >> Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu May 19 20:19:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:19:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <002301c55cea$d43d3190$d79e81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Ron ...I shall ask but i doubt if it will be forthcoming. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA > Peter > > All club Secretaries should be sent a copy of the new policy. This does > not > mean they will get a copy each year - only a copy of the renewal notice if > the policy has not changed. If your club Secretary has not got a copy > then > they should request a copy from the NHMA Secretary. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.by > theNHMA > > >> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National > Historical >> Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of >> insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we >> have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are >> we > ? >> I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out > who >> the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of > the >> policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other > insurance >> policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the > policy. >> I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy > , >> not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . >> Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu May 19 23:15:31 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:15:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3><000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> Reg that is why I put up the post about Paul and TOMM, if you want to find anything out about YOUR insurance policy ONLY talk to your club, they ONLY talk to the National Body . so do as we say will remain Kerry > And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 19/05/2005 From alanwh at iinet.net.au Fri May 20 01:02:24 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:02:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor In-Reply-To: <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <200505200802.j4K82RO4081683@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi folks We have a generator in our engine shed about 10kva with a Volkswagen industrial engine we are looking for info on how to set the governor speed, the governor is a Fritz Heinzmann Can anyone point me to the right info please Alan For the Wagga Historic Engine Club A picture of the generator is here http://www.oldengine.org/members/wagga/governor.htm From evand at melbpc.org.au Fri May 20 01:40:00 2005 From: evand at melbpc.org.au (Evan Doherty) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:40:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor References: <200505200802.j4K82RO4081683@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <003201c55d17$837d8700$6b9c0ccb@x> Hi Alan Is the engine a type 122 or126a ? The VW instruction manual seems to show 2 types of governor, one with an eccentric and spiral spring on the side of the gov opposite the vertical long lever that goes to the carb, and a gov that has that side blanked off. Maybe the gov has been preset for generator use and looking at your photo, it looks like the linkage to the carb is brazed to the vertical rod ???, there should be a ball joint there. Regards Evan From alanwh at iinet.net.au Fri May 20 02:49:29 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:49:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor In-Reply-To: <003201c55d17$837d8700$6b9c0ccb@x> Message-ID: <200505200949.j4K9nVps009394@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Evan Thanks for info The engine is a 126 I don't see an "a" after that The linkage was spot welded, and brazed after it came adrift It has a linkage on the carby that take it to idle when you push on the bottom button and to run on the top button Alan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Evan Doherty Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:40 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] governor Hi Alan Is the engine a type 122 or126a ? The VW instruction manual seems to show 2 types of governor, one with an eccentric and spiral spring on the side of the gov opposite the vertical long lever that goes to the carb, and a gov that has that side blanked off. Maybe the gov has been preset for generator use and looking at your photo, it looks like the linkage to the carb is brazed to the vertical rod ???, there should be a ball joint there. Regards Evan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From evand at melbpc.org.au Fri May 20 03:26:18 2005 From: evand at melbpc.org.au (Evan Doherty) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:26:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] governor References: <200505200802.j4K82RO4081683@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000401c55d26$f0092a00$8e9c0ccb@x> Hi Alan, Had another look at the VW manual, your governor is the non adjustable type, the set speed and the speed variation should be on the ID plate ( on the fan shroud behind the air cleaner ). The carb to gov linkage is definitely non-standard !! Evan Doherty Beveridge, Victoria Australia From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 20 03:33:40 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:33:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bythe NHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <428D2C7B.3090002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003101c55d27$6838d570$729181cb@ogborneuah38i3> Jeff ...my insurance ,for cars ,caravan ,house and contents ,boat etc and the policy that i have is pretty straight forward and quite easy to understand the claims that can be made . I think it is a disgrace that you have dirty, overall clad , unclean and reeking of BO people in your club.----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bythe NHMA > Hi Peter, > > I agree that all members should have a copy of the insurance policy that > covers them. I don't think it is common though, and would you be able to > understand it if you had a copy? Most are not written to be understood. > IMHO the Edge and TA offered in this country is probably one of the best. > You can go online and get a lot of information. My club had a falling out > many years ago and I won't mention them again. > > Jeff > > > peter ogborne wrote: > >> We here in Australia as club members affiliated with the National >> Historical >> Machinery Association of Australia are allegedly covered by some sort of >> insurance policy. We go to shows carrying our little card saying that we >> have public liability insurance . We all feel so bloody secure ,but are >> we ? >> I know nothing of the detail of this policy ,i have only just found out >> who >> the underwriter is . I would think that i would be entitled to a copy of >> the >> policy ,i am not even sure if the club has one. With all my other >> insurance >> policies the underwriter has given me a comprehensive detail of the >> policy. >> I would suggest to all Australian members to demand a copy of this policy >> , >> not letting us see it is madness. We cannot continue in this way . >> Peter Ogborne ,Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri May 20 03:22:50 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:22:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3><000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> Message-ID: <006e01c55d27$96089620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Kerry mate, I am that fed up with the narrow, tunnel vision of the masses in the hobby that I am really past giving a shit about any of it. Every time I tried to make any point, it was twisted against me to the extent that I wonder why I ever bothered. I am now an old cynic who just looks and shakes his head. I go to an occasional show ,but the urge is not very strong any more. So, let them put up their atom proof fences, etc. Keep out all the folk who might show any interest. Dont let any kids get near enough to be interested. So be it! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA > Reg that is why I put up the post about Paul and TOMM, if you want to find > anything out about YOUR insurance policy ONLY talk to your club, they > ONLY talk to the National Body . > so do as we say will remain > > Kerry > > >> And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 19/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri May 20 07:20:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:20:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster Message-ID: Howdy all; Trying to locate the numbers for a Webster mount and igniter for the 4hp horizontal Famous. My Webster data in Doc Schusters book on page 80 is unreadable...possibly a A303K40-B or K46-B. Could someone please look in their book and see if they can make it out..or maybe someone has a Famous..Webster fired. TIA..Life is good in "The Big Sky" RickinMt. From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri May 20 07:57:56 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster Message-ID: <24.71619f7e.2fbf54f4@aol.com> Hi Rick, The bracket # is A303K46B for the 4hp IHC Famous. Take care, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 19 22:04:38 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:04:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in the dark.bytheNHMA In-Reply-To: <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160505192204658f2c1d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/20/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > And I STILL dont have a clue who the insurers are!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. My Beds & Bucks Club membership renewal card has the insurer's name and the policy number on the back of the card every year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri May 20 13:50:24 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 04:50:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Simplicity Engine Message-ID: <001901c55d7d$8ff88050$709581cb@ogborneuah38i3> Someone arrived at my house yesterday to show me a Simplicity engine that they had just picked up . It is Compleat with LT magneto and ignitor....looks to be maybe about 4 HP. I don't know much about these engines ,unfortunately the badge was gone . He doesn't,to know what to do with it ......................maybe ! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From b2 at chooka.net Fri May 20 20:05:42 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:05:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allen condensor and coil tester Message-ID: <002901c55db1$fa17b760$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> I picked up what may be a working Allen coil and condensor tester, model E1403. The light comes on, the meter deflects, but there are settings that must come from some documentation that came with the unit. Anybody have a manual for this unit that I could copy, or know of a source for such? B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Sat May 21 04:54:11 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:54:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed invasions Message-ID: <000801c55dfb$ce725120$3dc61fd3@professi0cqjbx> What hope do we have of protecting our sheds when this happens. The West Australian Newspaper Saturday 21st. Residents of Ayer Road in Queens Park told the West Australian they thought it was wrong a resident was charged by police with being armed in a way to cause fear and discharging a firearm to cause fear. The man was charged after he allegedly fired two shots over the heads of a group of people outside his home last Saturday. He told police the people were trying to break into his home by kicking down his front door. Unreal, this is exactly what I thought he was trying to do. (I will not quote the colour). This is the same charge a mate of mine copped when he did the same thing to a mob of locals breaking in to his shed a few years back. Cost him a Thousand bucks. Ron Glassby Western Australia From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 21 05:41:00 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 05:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. Thanks Ron Richard Strobel wrote: G'day all; I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but other show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted one. later, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat May 21 06:19:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:19:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] insurance...in Australia and being kept in thedark.bytheNHMA In-Reply-To: <006e01c55d27$96089620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <000c01c55cc7$8740b7e0$329d81cb@ogborneuah38i3><000f01c55cd1$485557c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><001401c55ce6$fe835320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001d01c55d03$5366d3a0$ddb5ecdc@morris> <006e01c55d27$96089620$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1116681592.428f3578cb549@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Reg, Quoting R & M Ingold : > I am now an old cynic who just looks and shakes his head. Yeah but we still loves ya mate!! > I go to an occasional show ,but the urge is not very strong > any more. Bambi & Nitro say not to worry. They'll have a supply of the little blue devils ready and waiting for your next visit to Portland. 8->> > Keep out all the folk who might show any interest. > Dont let any kids get near enough to be interested. > So be it! Illigetimi Non Carborundum!! See ya, Arnie From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 21 07:56:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:56:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron..click on the vBChat and I'll try to get his email address: Please remind me http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5 Good Luck Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Field engines > Rick, > How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. > Thanks > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract > to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but > other > show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the > scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. > The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. > > Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes > by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. > > > I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted > one. > > > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 21 07:57:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:57:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster References: <24.71619f7e.2fbf54f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks much guys! Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 21 08:12:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:12:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, here's his website and I believe he said he was going to Portland http://www.geocities.com/oilfield62/dogrunreids.html Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Field engines > Rick, > How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. > Thanks > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract > to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but > other > show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the > scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. > The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. > > Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes > by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. > > > I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted > one. > > > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri May 20 14:35:15 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:35:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bit of News on the Maytag Corporation Message-ID: <6f60251605052014351d9c1e4c@mail.gmail.com> Saw this on the BBC News website tonight: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4567059.stm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sat May 21 15:44:45 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:44:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Thanks John for a fantastic lot of pics. Sure are some great looking engines over in your part of the world. Your M type looks terrific. Just as a matter of interest, what HP is the Stover?. Regards Lyndsay >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stat.eng.org" , "SEL" > >Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally >Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:51:30 +0200 > >Hi All, > >Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures >wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with >pleasure for you to see. >We had a very good International show with participators from >Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia >and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the >real engine men doesn't care :o)) >Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, >it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought >a few engine there. >The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm > >Enjoy it, > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sat May 21 17:07:15 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:07:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [Small_Engine_Secrets] Maytag Washing Machine Engine Message-ID: <001501c55e62$392d4040$731117d1@net.telenet.net> from another list. Anyone want to help? Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "torsion34" To: Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [Small_Engine_Secrets] Maytag Washing Machine Engine > I have an old Maytag WME. Where can I get information about this engine? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Small_Engine_Secrets/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Small_Engine_Secrets-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun May 22 01:10:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:10:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally References: Message-ID: <000501c55ea5$c8bc0ff0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Lyndsay, that Pilter-Stover is 6 hp and I thought the little red one with the seperator 2 hp. Glad you appreciated the pics. Regards, John H. > Thanks John for a fantastic lot of pics. Sure are some great looking engines > over in your part of the world. Your M type looks terrific. > Just as a matter of interest, what HP is the Stover?. > > > Regards > Lyndsay From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 22 01:25:50 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:25:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050522082549.RWZH27377.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi John, You certainly get an interesting variety of engines at Nuenen. There are some very unusual engines to be seen. Thanks for the pics. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with pleasure for you to see. We had a very good International show with participators from Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the real engine men doesn't care :o)) Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought a few engine there. The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm Enjoy it, John Hammink From oldengin at udata.com Sun May 22 06:47:50 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:47:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? In-Reply-To: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Gday Where would I find info on getting a journeyman's card? I did a google and this led to many dead end streets, thanks for any and all help. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From don.h at wcoil.com Sun May 22 09:11:36 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:11:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> Heck Le roy you can get all kinds of cards at American Greetings store or Hall mark Ha ha You dont no of a lonly 16 hp hor shaft Kohler engine laying around??? I just redid the whole front end ( gear bosxes,blades ect ) on the front of my lawn rig ( Parker ) to ther toon of 500 bucks worth only to have the engine eat a rod today... I still have that old engine to trade for ?????? Gus in Ottawa From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 22 13:41:55 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:41:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Up and running Message-ID: <4290EE93.2000400@earthlink.net> Hi all, Took a handful of stoopid pills this morning and did some more work here. Actually I took some Advil cause I overdid it with the yard work yesterday. Sitting at the puter is about all I can handle today. OUch! I have the photo index site up and running. I like the look and layout so far and all comments are welcome. Now is the time. Reg sent me to Patrick Livingstone's site and I spend a few hours looking it over. Well worth the visit. He has generously allowed me to raid his site, and that is where I started. Much more to do there by the way. The format is pretty simple now. I prefer to put pictures up that are on others sites, so I can link to their sites for more information. Remember this is a photo database. I do have a copy of all photos here, and I will crop and modify if I feel the need. I give credit to the photographer. I will only list the name and location of the engine owner with their permission. You have to opt in for me to publish personal information. I will not for any reason put any e-mail address of owners or photographers on this site. Right now I don't even have one there for me. Haven't decided what mailbox to use yet. I am thinking I will move the most common engines to sub directories, and keep the rare ones on the index page. All thoughts are welcome. I am in no rush, and this will go on for years if I decide to keep at it. Feedback and participation are the keys to that. So far both have been great. I have the domain for at least one year, so I'll see how things go. Here it is: http://oldirongallery.com/ Jeff Allen From mtucker at uky.edu Sun May 22 17:49:56 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 20:49:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the difference in piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the blowby? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From plb at iinet.net.au Sun May 22 19:01:17 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:01:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <002601c55f3b$4eadcf50$0501010a@Portable> Mike , looks like you have a worn piston but I'm not sure if it would make all that much difference to the blowby. Lots of people here would know more about that than me but I would think if the rings are OK and a good fit in the ring grooves it should seal up with some oil around there. Your smallest bore measurement and largest piston measurement would be close to unworn sizes so it was originally around 8 thou clearance. Modern engines would be tighter but in that I would think 6 to 8 thou would be OK Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. > It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC > Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through > compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston > at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I > took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in > great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the > cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is > 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is > 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper > and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. > I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston > is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up by > the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second ring > the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So at > the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the diameter > of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal difference > of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the difference in > piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be > in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the > blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun May 22 19:13:53 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:13:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <009901c55f3d$126acc80$d7496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Mike, How about measuring the gap between the side of the ring and the groove. This ought to be pretty tight, .001 or maybe a tad more. Rings that are loose in the groove will not hold compression at all well. A good fit here is lot more important than the out of round that you have. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. > It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC > Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through > compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston > at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I > took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in > great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the > cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is > 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is > 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper > and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. > I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston > is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up by > the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second ring > the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So at > the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the diameter > of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal difference > of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the difference in > piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be > in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the > blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 22 19:59:08 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:59:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Michael, My "rule" that I use for my old iron is if the difference between the bore and piston is in the 1 to 1.5 thousandths per inch of bore range, its a great piston/bore fit for the old iron. I agree with a prior comment that the ring gap and fit is more critical than the fact that you may have an undersize in the piston between the grooves. If you want a more perfect fit on the piston, have it flame sprayed and turned down to 5 to 6 thousandths less than your bore. Do this and put in new rings and your hunk of iron should need a compression release to turn it over. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy > today. It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, > hit-n-miss IHC Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when > pulling it through compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of > compression past the piston at top dead center. So, with the help of > my machinist neighbors tools I took some measurements of the piston > and cylinder. The cylinder is in great condition with no hint of a > ring ridge. Up at the head end of the cylinder the horizontal > diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is 4.8060". At the > flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8010" and > the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper and the > cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. I > think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston > is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round > up by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and > second ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's > 4.794". So at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical > difference in the diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 > thousandths and a horizontal difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a > perfect world, what should the difference in piston diameter and > cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be in pretty good > shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun May 22 21:11:50 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:11:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <002601c55f3b$4eadcf50$0501010a@Portable> Message-ID: <001f01c55f4d$903dfff0$fd9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Mike ...I have been making some piston rings . What i have found that although the ring gap was acceptable the ring clearance in the piston groove was far excessive ,hence my blow by. New rings with minimum groove clearance plus a de glaze with a hone, result perfect compression. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Mike , looks like you have a worn piston but I'm not sure if it would make > all that much difference to the blowby. Lots of people here would know > more about that than me but I would think if the rings are OK and a good > fit in the ring grooves it should seal up with some oil around there. Your > smallest bore measurement and largest piston measurement would be close to > unworn sizes so it was originally around 8 thou clearance. Modern engines > would be tighter but in that I would think 6 to 8 thou would be OK > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Tucker" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > > >> Howdy all, >> >> I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy today. >> It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, hit-n-miss IHC >> Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when pulling it through >> compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of compression past the piston >> at top dead center. So, with the help of my machinist neighbors tools I >> took some measurements of the piston and cylinder. The cylinder is in >> great condition with no hint of a ring ridge. Up at the head end of the >> cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is >> 4.8060". At the flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is >> 4.8010" and the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper >> and the cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. >> I think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The piston >> is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely round up >> by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first and second >> ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, it's 4.794". So >> at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical difference in the >> diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 thousandths and a horizontal >> difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a perfect world, what should the >> difference in piston diameter and cylinder diameter be? Although the >> rings look to be in pretty good shape, do you think that they could be >> the reason for the blowby? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> Mike >> -- >> ____________________ >> Michael Tucker >> Midway, Kentucky, USA >> mtucker at uky.edu >> ____________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From driggars at earthlink.net Sun May 22 22:11:42 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:11:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine Message-ID: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it would be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? Clint From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 23 02:26:47 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 05:26:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> Message-ID: <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the manufacturer. Most built their own engines. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it > would > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > Clint > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 23 04:55:53 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:55:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> Message-ID: <024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were off railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder 2 stroke and would run either direction. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it > would > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > Clint > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 23 05:33:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:33:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the Fairmont also. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were off > railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder 2 > stroke and would run either direction. > > B? > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if > > it > > would > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > Clint > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed May 18 16:53:44 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:53:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules References: <428A978D.8000006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001e01c55c04$d5c63b10$7a86a5d8@mycomputer> My Gosh ! For crying out loud ! Next thing they will want you to remove all your fingers so you can't cut them off and put then in the soup , Does anyone know how many clubs or Insurance companys have had claims against them before all these rules were put in place ? I know there will be some but enough to make the hobby that dangrous ?or does all the rules come from some pencil happy lawers or club officals looking to feel Important ? Hobbies are supposed fun and relaxing , and keep the old iron alive too many rules will ruin it as it Just my thoughts right or wrong Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" Subject: [SEL] Insurance and safety rules > Hi all, > > Just got these from my club, and had to post them. Since I have to test > drive the links, I figured I would share. They are scans and a little > large if you care to look at them. > > The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol > thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. ___________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Mon May 23 06:34:12 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:34:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <001c01c55f9c$1b532d60$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Yeah, I guess hand cars would be the previous generation of locomotion, LOL. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the > Fairmont also. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were >> off >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder >> 2 >> stroke and would run either direction. >> >> B? >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if >> > it >> > would >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> > >> > Clint >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon May 23 06:38:02 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <000b01c55f9c$a4a6f830$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> The narrow guage railroad that operated between Farmington ,Kingfield and Rangely, Maine in the early 1900's had two type busses/trolley cars that they operated just for passengers (just guessing 25 to 35 passenger) They were locally manufactured and had automotive gasoline engines. They were scrapped out in the late 30's. Joe Kelley's son Joey has more information on these. One of the early type railroad work cars had a a model "T" engine which one of the ILL-MO club members had (now deceased). Charlie Bryant (from rainy,cold,wet,muddy Maine) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the > Fairmont also. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brueck" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were >> off >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder >> 2 >> stroke and would run either direction. >> >> B? >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if >> > it >> > would >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> > >> > Clint >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 07:14:30 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:14:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Rick well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I could find a name for manufacturer this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks or possibly small repairs, not very big The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is 300 miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he sent I cannot tell a thing about it Clint > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it > > would > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > Clint > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 07:16:22 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:16:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> <000b01c55f9c$a4a6f830$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <00ae01c55fa1$ffb5b900$bb408304@clinton> Charley I mis-spoke, it is not a trolly for carrying passengers, it is a small car kind of like the hand cars Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > The narrow guage railroad that operated between Farmington ,Kingfield > and Rangely, Maine in the early 1900's had two type busses/trolley cars that > they operated just for passengers (just guessing 25 to 35 passenger) They > were locally manufactured and had automotive gasoline engines. They were > scrapped > out in the late 30's. Joe Kelley's son Joey has more information on these. > One of the early type railroad work cars had a a model "T" engine which > one of the ILL-MO club members had (now deceased). > > Charlie Bryant > (from rainy,cold,wet,muddy Maine) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had the > > Fairmont also. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Brueck" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were > >> off > >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single cylinder > >> 2 > >> stroke and would run either direction. > >> > >> B? > >> Bill Brueck (brick) > >> Chatfield, MN, USA > >> > >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Clint D" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > >> > >> > >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > >> > > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > >> > > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if > >> > it > >> > would > >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > >> > > >> > Clint > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Mon May 23 07:38:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <4070.165.206.180.144.1116859082.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I've heard of similar literally called rail inspection cars! At least living near the Milwaukee lines in Perry and visiting the old roundhouse when it was operational, that's what I heard them called. Bill > Rick > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > could find > a name for manufacturer > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > or > possibly small repairs, not very big > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > 300 > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > sent I > cannot tell a thing about it > > Clint > > > >> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >> engines. >> >> Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the >> manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >> >> Rick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clint D" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> > >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> > >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering >> if it >> > would >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> > >> > Clint >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon May 23 07:40:36 2005 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:40:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed References: <20050518003035.48808.qmail@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> Does anyone have a phone # for Rick, Or a current email address??? Tks for any help Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rick Monk auction > Yup Arnie, > > They moved to Fairview, Michigan. > That is just about two hours east of me here on Michigan's M-72. > > Where I work we supply such things as Anderson Windows and Formica brand laminate and many more > items all over most of Michigan. Every time I ship a piece of Formica to Fairview Lumber I start > thinking about when I can find a day to head over there. I need to look up their phone number. > > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > > > When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved (furthur > > north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he > > doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that > > aren't listed. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad in > > > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > > > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # 4444 > > > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement mixer > > > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is including > > > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > > > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Mon May 23 03:45:13 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:45:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, >I agree with a prior comment that the ring gap and fit is more >critical than the fact that you may have an undersize in the piston >between the grooves. The rings fit very nicely in the ring groove and although I haven't measured it, the gap looks pretty good as well, especially since the rings have overlapping ends. I'm sure that new rings and oil will help but the thing that bothers me about the compression loss is that it's not a constant loss as the piston comes up on TDC. Instead, is looses some compression as it approaches TDC but just as it goes over TDC and the rod goes from pushing to pulling, what compression there is lost all at one time in sort of a loud pop. This makes me think that the piston is moving around a little too much. In fact with the head off, you could see the piston wiggle a little bit as it rolled over TDC. That's what worried me that the cylinder was out of round. Although it is out of round just a bit, from the measurements I think that most of the wiggle is due to the piston wear and not the cylinder. >If you want a more perfect fit on the piston, have it flame sprayed >and turned down to 5 to 6 thousandths less than your bore. Do this >and put in new rings and your hunk of iron should need a >compression release to turn it over. From y'alls comments on how much clearance there should be, flame spraying is where I think I'm heading with this critter. Since I intend to work this engine on a buzz saw rig rather that just running it, I think that I need better compression than it has with its built in compression release at TDC!. I'll definitely hone the cylinder as well as replace the rings and like you say, it should have compression to spare! Tommy, do you know of any places here in the Bluegrass that do flame spraying? What type of metal compound should be applied for ability to machine and good wearing properties? Thanks for the help folks, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 23 07:57:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:57:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: Does it resemble this: http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Rick > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > could find > a name for manufacturer > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > or > possibly small repairs, not very big > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > 300 > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > sent I > cannot tell a thing about it > > Clint > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clint D" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > if it > > > would > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 23 08:07:32 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:07:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California gold Message-ID: <20050523.080733.181.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. This past weekend an engine gathering was held in Vista California for California built engines. We had 27 different names represented with 40 engines on the grounds. Pictures may be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31766981&f= Captions to be added later. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon May 23 08:13:38 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><024b01c55f8e$5f79cde0$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local><000b01c55f9c$a4a6f830$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00ae01c55fa1$ffb5b900$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <001901c55fa9$ff14c470$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Clint, The Canadians built an engine similiar to the Fairmont called a Sylvestor. I would not doubt but someone could of put a hit and miss engine in one. I think its worth pursuing. Charley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Charley > > I mis-spoke, it is not a trolly for carrying passengers, it is a small car > kind of > like the hand cars > > Clint > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Bryant" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> The narrow guage railroad that operated between Farmington ,Kingfield >> and Rangely, Maine in the early 1900's had two type busses/trolley cars >> that >> they operated just for passengers (just guessing 25 to 35 passenger) They >> were locally manufactured and had automotive gasoline engines. They were >> scrapped >> out in the late 30's. Joe Kelley's son Joey has more information on >> these. >> One of the early type railroad work cars had a a model "T" engine which >> one of the ILL-MO club members had (now deceased). >> >> Charlie Bryant >> (from rainy,cold,wet,muddy Maine) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> > Believe they were called "Speeder Cars." And the one's I've seen had >> > the >> > Fairmont also. >> > >> > RickinMt. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bill Brueck" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> > >> > >> >> Fairmont engines show up regularly and I've always been told they were >> >> off >> >> railroad hand cars. The one I had several years ago was single >> >> cylinder >> >> 2 >> >> stroke and would run either direction. >> >> >> >> B? >> >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Clint D" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 AM >> >> Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >> >> >> >> >> >> > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's >> >> > >> >> > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 >> >> > >> >> > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering >> >> > if >> >> > it >> >> > would >> >> > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? >> >> > >> >> > Clint >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 23 08:20:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:20:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: This might help to see the fairmont engine: http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Rick > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > could find > a name for manufacturer > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > or > possibly small repairs, not very big > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > 300 > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > sent I > cannot tell a thing about it > > Clint > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clint D" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > if it > > > would > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 23 08:33:49 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:33:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <4070.165.206.180.144.1116859082.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> <4070.165.206.180.144.1116859082.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <35871.199.62.0.252.1116862429.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> for railroad Maintainance Of Way (MOW) vehicles, there's a discussion forum/list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RailroadMotorcarMaintenence/ marv in minn > I've heard of similar literally called rail inspection cars! > At least living near the Milwaukee lines in Perry and visiting the old > roundhouse when it was operational, that's what I heard them called. > > Bill > >> Rick >> >> well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I >> could find >> a name for manufacturer >> this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 08:37:50 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <004a01c55fad$61770c60$9b438304@clinton> Rick well ity would be about that size or smaller but open, no cab Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Does it resemble this: > > http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html > > Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > Rick > > > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > > could find > > a name for manufacturer > > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > > or > > possibly small repairs, not very big > > > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > > 300 > > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > > sent I > > cannot tell a thing about it > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > > engines. > > > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Clint D" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > > if it > > > > would > > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon May 23 08:46:19 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:46:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <30763.199.62.0.252.1116863179.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> that one is twin Onan powered but mine is Fairmont H&M powered. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31767592&f= marv > Does it resemble this: > > http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html > > Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. > > Rick > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 23 08:47:29 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:47:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed In-Reply-To: <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: In GEM it says in the ad to contact Rick Monk at (989)619-0824. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Alec Stevens" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:40:36 -0400 > >Does anyone have a phone # for Rick, Or a current email address??? >Tks for any help >Alec J. Stevens >Investment Specialist >80 Leighton Road, Suite C >Falmouth, ME 04105 >(800)842-6669 >(207)797-5169 >(207)797-2819 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Bowen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Rick Monk auction > > > > Yup Arnie, > > > > They moved to Fairview, Michigan. > > That is just about two hours east of me here on Michigan's M-72. > > > > Where I work we supply such things as Anderson Windows and Formica brand >laminate and many more > > items all over most of Michigan. Every time I ship a piece of Formica >to >Fairview Lumber I start > > thinking about when I can find a day to head over there. I need to look >up their phone number. > > > > Alan Bowen > > Williamsburg, Michigan > > > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > When Rick & Gwen retired and sold their business, they also moved >(furthur > > > north I think). I'm guessing that he's selling off the toys that he > > > doesn't play with much. There's a number of his "better engines" that > > > aren't listed. > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, avanti_64 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys, I just rec'd the June issue of GEM today and I read an ad >in > > > > which Rick Monk and his Dad? are having a big auction in Michigan. > > > > Anyone know the reason why? The Gray that is listed with serial # >4444 > > > > is the one I sold him on his trip up here to pick up that cement >mixer > > > > that was in the article in GEM a while back. I wonder if he is >including > > > > that piece in the auction as well? Are they just downsizing or what? > > > > There are a ton of NOVOs in the auction as well. Joe > > From driggars at earthlink.net Mon May 23 08:47:28 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:47:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <007e01c55fae$ba334e80$9b438304@clinton> Rick I guess that I need to make a run out and get me a visual, the pix I have are totally useless. when I do, I will take better pix and show it. Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > This might help to see the fairmont engine: > > http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > Rick > > > > well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I > > could find > > a name for manufacturer > > this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks > > or > > possibly small repairs, not very big > > > > The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is > > 300 > > miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he > > sent I > > cannot tell a thing about it > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not > > > engines. > > > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Clint D" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering > > > > if it > > > > would > > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon May 23 08:53:48 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:53:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: I have a picture of one here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that runs these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run down the rails on one of these. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "Clint D" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:14:30 -0500 > >Rick > >well, I guess that I am talking about motor cars then. I will see if I >could find >a name for manufacturer >this is the little car that the inspector, etc would run down the tracks or >possibly small repairs, not very big > >The present owner is a junker and really does not know anything and he is >300 >miles away. all he has said it is some kind of hit and miss, what pix he >sent I >cannot tell a thing about it > >Clint > > > > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clint D" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:11 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > > > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > > > > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > > > > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering >if it > > > would > > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > > > > > Clint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon May 23 08:54:26 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions Message-ID: <1f1.3c31a795.2fc356b2@aol.com> Hi Mike, My buddy Leo often finds engines that have very little compression. Most of the time he doesn't even pull the piston out of the cylinder. He will oil the cylinder up really good, then belt the new toy up to his tractor. He runs the engine for a couple of hours, just making sure to keep plenty of oil on the cylinder & piston. After the belted up engine has been run this way for a while, it has tons of compression. As far as I know, he has never had a piston built up, or a cylinder bored. It might be worth a try for you to try this method, it's much cheaper than the other option :-) Good luck, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From curt at imc-group.com Mon May 23 11:12:06 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:12:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally In-Reply-To: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42921CF6.30507@imc-group.com> John, Did you happen to take any other pictures of the tin covered Lorenz (first image on page 2)? That's a pretty neat engine with the belt driven draft blower and water pump (guess). Would enjoy seeing a few pictures from other angles. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >Hi All, > >Had tough finger work at the puter to get all these pictures >wrapped in colored little windows, but I like it and did it with >pleasure for you to see. >We had a very good International show with participators from >Germany, Belgium, UK, France, Swiss, Hungary, Italia, Australia >and of course the Dutchmen. Sunday morning some rain but the >real engine men doesn't care :o)) >Met one of the Portland visitors in the person of Neville Beaty, >it was great to see him again after two years, as usual he bought >a few engine there. >The 92 pictures can be seen in three pages at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/nuenen2005show.htm > >Enjoy it, > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 23 11:13:01 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:13:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> Message-ID: <000601c55fc3$0f960ac0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:11 AM Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it would > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > Clint All this talk of Rail Trucks takes me back 30+ years when my hobby was the restoration of old steam railways. We joined a railway in the early days of restoration when the main job was excavating the track through a jungle of vegetation. We had a hand pushed rail trolley but eventually we got the remains of an old motorcycle & bolted the frame to the trolley. We put a cog on the rear axle & drove the cart with the Villers engine on the bike. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/351634582AQuVqy This shows the societies committee being given an inspection tour around 1965. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Mon May 23 12:10:28 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:10:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] California gold In-Reply-To: <20050523.080733.181.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron Great pix! Doesn't seem to be excessive in rope-off/"no spectator" rules either. Jim -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Ron D Haskell Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:08 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] California gold Hi all. This past weekend an engine gathering was held in Vista California for California built engines. We had 27 different names represented with 40 engines on the grounds. Pictures may be seen at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31766981&f= Captions to be added later. Enjoy. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 23 12:02:31 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Oh sure, one like THAT would be fun to ride. My one and only ride on a "speeder" was one that Rick Rowlands built. Chevy six-cylinder for power, flat deck, no handrails, no seats (well Rick had an up-ended 5-gallon pail that HE sat on at the controls), brakes were dodgy, water pump didn't. He ASSURED me the rail spur we went on wasn't being used. At least he thought it wasn't. We HAD to be going 90 mph!! At least it FELT like 90! We survived... Helluva ride!! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 23 May 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > I have a picture of one here: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg > > A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that runs > these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run down > the rails on one of these. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 23 12:38:43 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:38:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] California gold Message-ID: <20050523.123843.181.6.rdhaskell@juno.com> You got it Jim. Not a rope or barrier on the premises. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:10:28 -0500 "Jim Dragoset" writes: > Ron > Great pix! Doesn't seem to be excessive in rope-off/"no spectator" > rules > either. > Jim > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon May 23 12:41:45 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:41:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <000601c55fc3$0f960ac0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000801c55fcf$7500c1a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint D" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:11 AM > Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > anyone know what would be the likely engine in a trolly car for RR's > > I have one located that is from the early 1900's, like before 1910 > > I have not yet been able to physically see it yet and just wondering if it would > > be worth my time to travel to look at purchasing it? > > Clint > > All this talk of Rail Trucks takes me back 30+ years when my hobby was > the restoration of old steam railways. > We joined a railway in the early days of restoration when the main job was > excavating the track through a jungle of vegetation. > We had a hand pushed rail trolley but eventually we got the remains of an old > motorcycle & bolted the frame to the trolley. We put a cog on the rear axle & > drove the cart with the Villers engine on the bike. > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/351634582AQuVqy > This shows the societies committee being given an inspection tour around 1965. > Dave Croft It shows how memories fade with the years! We didn't use the Bike frame, just the engine & gear box. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/351707262QpEkBQ Its a better picture. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 23 14:33:23 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:33:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts Message-ID: <000601c55fdf$267a1d50$2f9ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all, I am trying to obtain any information about an engine that was pictured in the TOMM magazine. It appeared in the December 19999 / January 2000 issue on page3 the picture was taken at the Lake Goldsmith Rally. The engine is a single flywheel open crank engine with ' The Angus ' cast into either side of the hopper. At the moment I am trying to restore an identicle engine , but it is missing the complete fuel system including the mixer. The govoner weights are there but I don't have anything for them to act on ie; hit and miss or throttle govorened. The engine I have appears to be of the dual ignition type as it has a hot tube and a flick mag worked off the side shaft.We have had the engine running , but any help would be very greatfully appreciated. Thank you , Craig from Scotalnd From plb at iinet.net.au Mon May 23 16:40:24 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:40:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c55ff0$ccce9e90$0501010a@Portable> Do the rings have enough tension or spring left in them?Maybe the engine has got to hot in the past. Seems to me that if compression is lost suddenly as the piston changes direction its rings losing thier seal. If the rings where doing thier job and the piston is good size up to the ring gaps the piston should not wobble? Just food for thought anyway. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > >>I agree with a prior comment that the ring gap and fit is more critical >>than the fact that you may have an undersize in the piston between the >>grooves. > > The rings fit very nicely in the ring groove and although I haven't > measured it, the gap looks pretty good as well, especially since the rings > have overlapping ends. I'm sure that new rings and oil will help but the > thing that bothers me about the compression loss is that it's not a > constant loss as the piston comes up on TDC. Instead, is looses some > compression as it approaches TDC but just as it goes over TDC and the rod > goes from pushing to pulling, what compression there is lost all at one > time in sort of a loud pop. This makes me think that the piston is moving > around a little too much. In fact with the head off, you could see the > piston wiggle a little bit as it rolled over TDC. That's what worried me > that the cylinder was out of round. Although it is out of round just a > bit, from the measurements I think that most of the wiggle is due to the > piston wear and not the cylinder. > >>If you want a more perfect fit on the piston, have it flame sprayed and >>turned down to 5 to 6 thousandths less than your bore. Do this and put in >>new rings and your hunk of iron should need a compression release to turn >>it over. > > From y'alls comments on how much clearance there should be, flame spraying > is where I think I'm heading with this critter. Since I intend to work > this engine on a buzz saw rig rather that just running it, I think that I > need better compression than it has with its built in compression release > at TDC!. I'll definitely hone the cylinder as well as replace the rings > and like you say, it should have compression to spare! Tommy, do you know > of any places here in the Bluegrass that do flame spraying? What type of > metal compound should be applied for ability to machine and good wearing > properties? > > Thanks for the help folks, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 23 17:04:37 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:04:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: Message-ID: <00e901c55ff4$2c9972c0$a65bef18@pengy> Was it really that bad Arnie?!? It was a Ford straight six and I had a bolted on seat, YOU had the 5 gallon bucket! :-) BTW it was a Fairmont A6F3 and its now in new england, having been sold on ebay years ago. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Hi Luke, > > Oh sure, one like THAT would be fun to ride. My one and only ride on a > "speeder" was one that Rick Rowlands built. Chevy six-cylinder for power, > flat deck, no handrails, no seats (well Rick had an up-ended 5-gallon pail > that HE sat on at the controls), brakes were dodgy, water pump didn't. He > ASSURED me the rail spur we went on wasn't being used. At least he > thought it wasn't. We HAD to be going 90 mph!! At least it FELT like 90! > We survived... Helluva ride!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 23 May 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> I have a picture of one here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg >> >> A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that >> runs >> these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run >> down >> the rails on one of these. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon May 23 17:41:55 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:41:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts In-Reply-To: <000601c55fdf$267a1d50$2f9ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, i know the location of this engine. It is in the hands of a fellow collector. I will give him a call and see if he is willing to help you out. I know he has never been able to find out much about these engines. ie where they were made.Up until now we thought his was the only surviving example. Dave in oz >From: "craig morrison" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:33:23 +0100 > >Hi all, > I am trying to obtain any information about an engine that was >pictured in the TOMM magazine. It appeared in the December 19999 / January >2000 issue on page3 the picture was taken at the Lake Goldsmith Rally. > The engine is a single flywheel open crank engine with ' The Angus >' cast into either side of the hopper. At the moment I am trying to restore >an identicle engine , but it is missing the complete fuel system including >the mixer. The govoner weights are there but I don't have anything for them >to act on ie; hit and miss or throttle govorened. > The engine I have appears to be of the dual ignition type as it >has a hot tube and a flick mag worked off the side shaft.We have had the >engine running , but any help would be very greatfully appreciated. > > Thank you , > Craig from Scotalnd >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 23 18:17:11 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:17:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] California gold References: <20050523.080733.181.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001f01c55ffe$5119bba0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> What great pics, thanks for sharing. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [SEL] California gold > > Hi all. > This past weekend an engine gathering was held in Vista California for > California built engines. We had 27 different names represented with 40 > engines on the grounds. Pictures may be seen at: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31766981&f= > > Captions to be added later. Enjoy. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Mon May 23 18:50:30 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:50:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00e901c55ff4$2c9972c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <200505240150.j4O1oT507508@pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Ya know, Rick, I remember Arnie's description of this venture from when it took place, and yes, I think that Arnie considered it to be that "BAD". Which of course in "guy talk" is "GOOD"!! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine Was it really that bad Arnie?!? It was a Ford straight six and I had a bolted on seat, YOU had the 5 gallon bucket! :-) BTW it was a Fairmont A6F3 and its now in new england, having been sold on ebay years ago. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Hi Luke, > > Oh sure, one like THAT would be fun to ride. My one and only ride on a > "speeder" was one that Rick Rowlands built. Chevy six-cylinder for power, > flat deck, no handrails, no seats (well Rick had an up-ended 5-gallon pail > that HE sat on at the controls), brakes were dodgy, water pump didn't. He > ASSURED me the rail spur we went on wasn't being used. At least he > thought it wasn't. We HAD to be going 90 mph!! At least it FELT like 90! > We survived... Helluva ride!! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 23 May 2005, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> I have a picture of one here: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/bigrap01/bigrap01-1.jpg >> >> A guy that lives just around the corner from me belongs to a club that >> runs >> these little speeders. Looks like it would be a fun afternoon to run >> down >> the rails on one of these. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 23 19:18:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:18:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Monk auction-help needed In-Reply-To: <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> References: <20050518003035.48808.qmail@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0d0e01c55fa5$65f05920$0301a8c0@ALEC> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050523221755.0221a008@mail.alltel.net> At 10:40 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote: >Does anyone have a phone # for Rick, >Alec J. Stevens I believe that he has none. Dave From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 23 19:22:15 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:22:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions Message-ID: <4403a9$119i8qn@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Do the rings have enough tension or spring left in them?Maybe the engine has > got to hot in the past. Seems to me that if compression is lost suddenly as > the piston changes direction its rings losing thier seal. If the rings where > doing thier job and the piston is good size up to the ring gaps the piston > should not wobble? Just food for thought anyway. > The width of the rings in these old engines makes them more susceptable to compression loss from the piston rocking. If the piston rocks it unseats the ring at the leading edge. J.B. Castagnos From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon May 23 19:37:59 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:37:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight Message-ID: <001e01c56009$99c93640$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Hi Listers: Would any of you good folks have the weight of a 7hp Alamo hopper cooled, similar to the blue line? Many thanks, Mike Royster From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon May 23 10:04:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:04:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <001b01c55fb9$7ff0c080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, did you know that even IHC made "Booster" engines for fun on the RR. They made them from 1913-16 and were 3 hp. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/IHC3hpbooster.jpg John H. > This might help to see the fairmont engine: > > http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm > > Rick > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon May 23 15:10:45 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:10:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Views from the 2005 Nuenen Rally References: <000701c55cac$2af3d3c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42921CF6.30507@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001701c55fe4$47f555d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, here some pics of the Lorenz engines I shot. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/lorenzimages.htm Regards, John H. > John, > Did you happen to take any other pictures of the tin covered Lorenz > (first image on page 2)? That's a pretty neat engine with the belt > driven draft blower and water pump (guess). Would enjoy seeing a few > pictures from other angles. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 23 03:44:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:44:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > Rick > Could Clint mean the rail inspection type cars? the small two / 3-man things that were used for track inspections? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue May 24 02:31:00 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 05:31:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> Yes there were several maunfacturers. Fairmont, Buda, Fairbanks Morse, etc. Check out www.narcoa.org Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: >> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >> engines. >> >> Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the >> manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >> >> Rick >> > > Could Clint mean the rail inspection type cars? the small two / 3-man > things that were used for track inspections? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Tue May 24 03:33:36 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:33:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston update In-Reply-To: <001f01c55f4d$903dfff0$fd9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udat a.com> <002601c55f3b$4eadcf50$0501010a@Portable> <001f01c55f4d$903dfff0$fd9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Howdy all, After all of the great info that I received from you folks, I thought that I would give you an update on what I found out yesterday. You folks nailed it on the head with the space between the ring and the ring groove. The gap with the first and second ring was 0.010 and the third ring was 0.060. That's a far cry from the expected 0.001 to 0.0015! Also after getting the rings off I put the first ring in the cylinder to check the end gap. The good news is that it made a nice tight fit in the bore and I couldn't get a 0.001 gauge between the ring and the cylinder at any point around the bore. But the end gap was 0.073. I'm pretty sure that's bigger than the ~0.018 that it should be for a 4.75" bore! So, guess that new rings are on my shopping list. After I got the piston all cleaned up I measured the size of the ring grooves. At the very top of the first and second grooves, the width was 0.380 and from the middle of the groove to the bottom it was 0.375. In other words they have a bit of a "V" shape. The first and second rings were only 0.369 wide (instead of 0.374) which accounts for the 0.010 space between the ring and groove. The plan will be to turn the grooves straight to a width of 0.405 and install a 0.030 spacer along with the new rings. Hopefully that will take care of the compression problems. If not I guess that I'll flame spray the piston to get it back up to specs. Although after the great stepped piston sizing info that several of you folks sent that showed the correct gap between the piston and cylinder at the first, second, third ring lands and the skirt, it's not off by very much. So I'm betting/hoping that the rings and ring groove work will take care of things. Thanks for all of the great info folks. This is the first time that I've really learned what the numbers on rings should be. Before I've been able to get by with whether or not the rings "looked" good. It's the details that get ya'! Thanks again, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue May 24 03:43:26 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:43:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Yes there were several maunfacturers. Fairmont, Buda, Fairbanks Morse, etc. > Check out www.narcoa.org > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > >> Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > >> Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > >> manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > >> Rick > > Could Clint mean the rail inspection type cars? the small two / 3-man > > things that were used for track inspections? > > Peter Thanks for that Tod, That has got to be the biggest collection of track cars ever. I liked the Mini minor conversion. When I was working on the K&WVR* restoration many years ago Land Rover loaned us a Landrover with lowerable guide rail wheels front & back to keep the tyres on top of the rail. They wished to know if it was a working proposition. We found it great except for one day when we went through a cobbled shunting yard with the rails set in the cobbles. The cobbles lifted the guide wheels out of the rails & as the track curved we went charging across the yard at full speed with the steering locked. Thank god the brakes still worked. * see http://www.kwvr.co.uk/ Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 24 07:25:14 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:25:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Looking for In-Reply-To: <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> I am looking for a[[Myerys]] [[Meyers]] that has been on the list about Ottawa ????? engines and equipment. for a friend not on the lists. Thanks R Fink PA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 24 04:52:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:52:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Looking for In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524075157.0221d340@mail.alltel.net> At 10:25 AM 5/24/2005, you wrote: >I am looking for a[[Myerys]] [[Meyers]] that has been on the list about >Ottawa ????? engines and equipment. for a friend not on the lists. >Thanks >R Fink >PA Hi Richard, I think you are looking for "George/Helen Myers" Dave From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 24 05:42:22 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:42:22 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston update Message-ID: <1da.3cb30452.2fc47b2e@aol.com> In a message dated 5/24/2005 7:11:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mtucker at uky.edu writes: << The plan will be to turn the grooves straight to a width of 0.405 and install a 0.030 spacer along with the new rings >> Mike, I think the smart thing to do is to get the rings machined to fiot the new groove size rather than undersize rings with a spacer. They will machine to any thickness/width/diameter that you need. Why pay for 6 rings when you can pay for 3? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 24 06:06:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:06:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> <001b01c55fb9$7ff0c080$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Now that's a pretty kewl looking engine John!! I've heard of some people that still use the old rail tracks for fun and pleasure. They're all getting torn up around here and reclaimed..some into jogging trails. We had a chance a couple years ago to get a speeder car and a couple rebuilt engines, but the time wasn't right...or the wallet. On another note, If any of the list members read this, Corky and I are looking for a paint code for antique purple for our steamer. The Company can't help us, but it was the first coat of paint on this engine. I'll cruise the engine pix's I have today and see if I can find something that sticks out. Any help would be appreciated. Life is good in Mt. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > Hi Rick, did you know that even IHC made "Booster" engines > for fun on the RR. > They made them from 1913-16 and were 3 hp. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/IHC3hpbooster.jpg > > John H. > > > > > This might help to see the fairmont engine: > > > > http://motorcar.winkworth.us/engines/engines_index.htm > > > > Rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue May 24 06:31:54 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:31:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Speaking of Fairmonts Message-ID: Here's one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63949&item=7517159085&rd=1 usual disclaimer RickinMt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 23 06:21:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:21:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > Rick We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible on crossings and in the wet! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 24 10:23:09 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:23:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine Message-ID: <4404pq$11aah1e@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> Detroit-Sandow 2 cycle fuel injected engines were produced for rail cars. J.B. Castagnos From jbcast at charter.net Tue May 24 10:27:03 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:27:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston update Message-ID: <43vtna$s74jgn@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> >> If not I guess that I'll flame spray the > piston to get it back up to specs. Michael, if you're thinking of flame spraying, I would have the cylinder honed true first, have the piston and rings sized to fit. J.B. Castagnos From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 23 19:33:54 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:33:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US Message-ID: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents in this photo? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rotigel at alltel.net Tue May 24 15:27:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:27:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524182609.0427c4f0@mail.alltel.net> At 10:33 PM 5/23/2005, you wrote: >OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents in >this photo? > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, "Gents?" The one on the left is a chick. Is a chick the same as a gent in KY? Dave From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue May 24 15:45:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:45:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their younger years. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents in > this photo? > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue May 24 19:34:04 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:34:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Looking for In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524075157.0221d340@mail.alltel.net> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com> <019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> <6.1.0.6.0.20050524072043.01abb0f0@mail.pennswoods.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050524075157.0221d340@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050524193344.01ac0300@mail.pennswoods.net> Thanks Dave R Fink At 04:52 AM 5/24/2005, you wrote: >At 10:25 AM 5/24/2005, you wrote: >>I am looking for a[[Myerys]] [[Meyers]] that has been on the list about >>Ottawa ????? engines and equipment. for a friend not on the lists. >>Thanks >>R Fink >>PA > >Hi Richard, I think you are looking for "George/Helen Myers" > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue May 24 16:55:12 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:55:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. Message-ID: <20050524.165513.660.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I need to remove the flywheel from the crank of my 6 hp Blackstone. It has two square keys that go all the way through. Any suggestions besides drilling them out? Here are some pictures: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843990 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843991 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843992 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843993 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue May 24 17:02:54 2005 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:02:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re:Help wanted from Australian Enthusiasts Message-ID: <20050525000254.53112.qmail@web32014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gday Craig I saw this engine at Goldsmith probably 3 years ago, just the once. The owner was from Horsham or somewhere abouts, or that was where the engine was found. It sounds like Dave Nicko has a good lead on it for you, so you should be right. Could I ask you to email me a photo of yours, just for interest? I was pretty impressed with "The Angus", and thought it would be an Oz built engine. I think the (then?) owner was deluged with offers to buy!! Cheers Graham in Oz From: "David Nicolson" Subject: RE: [SEL] help wanted from Australian enthusiasts Hi Craig, i know the location of this engine. It is in the hands of a fellow collector. I will give him a call and see if he is >Hi all, > I am trying to obtain any information about an engine that was >pictured in the TOMM magazine. It appeared in the December 19999 / January >2000 issue on page3 the picture was taken at the Lake Goldsmith Rally. > The engine is a single flywheel open crank engine with ' The Angus >' cast into either side of the hopper. At the moment Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From driggars at earthlink.net Tue May 24 17:43:21 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:43:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, not much to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars Look under RR Engine Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: > > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. > > > > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the > > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. > > > > Rick > > We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still > quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses > with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. > > Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible > on crossings and in the wet! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue May 24 17:48:11 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:48:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><6f602516050523034473d28005@mail.gmail.com><019801c56043$4c1a1420$a65bef18@pengy> <004c01c5604d$6b9a9bd0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <01b001c560c3$6d307a70$a65bef18@pengy> > When I was working on the K&WVR* restoration many years ago Land Rover > loaned us > a Landrover with lowerable guide rail wheels front & back to keep the > tyres on top of the rail. > They wished to know if it was a working proposition. > We found it great except for one day when we went through a cobbled > shunting yard with the rails set in the cobbles. > The cobbles lifted the guide wheels out of the rails & as the track curved > we went charging across the > yard at full speed with the steering locked. Thank god the brakes still > worked. Dave, I di the exact same thing in Youngstown when I used to hay a hyrail truck. I was patroling our line and got to a grade crossing on a slight curve. Well the track went to the right and I went straight toward the curb! Just a matter of backing up and dropping back in the flangeways. My truck did not have the steering wheel lock, and I never had a moment's trouble with an unlocked wheel. That truck actually tracked very well. Rick From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue May 24 18:10:47 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:10:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy><6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> Message-ID: <018101c560c6$96b91430$d6f1af40@D6R3D961> Is it a 2 cycle or 4 cycle? could it be a Fairmont?? It looks about the right size Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, > not much > to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? > > http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars > > Look under RR Engine > > Clint > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > >> On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: >> > Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not >> > engines. >> > >> > Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know >> > the >> > manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >> > >> > Rick >> >> We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still >> quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses >> with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. >> >> Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible >> on crossings and in the wet! >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From empson07 at chilitech.com Mon May 23 18:56:19 2005 From: empson07 at chilitech.com (Mark Empson) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:56:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com><42908D86.5030707@udata.com> Message-ID: <000001c560c8$f5609380$058c9d3f@pavilion> Mike , The difference in piston diameter from head to skirt might very well be by design in that the head of the piston is in contact with combustion and will inherently be hotter ( more expansion ) this heat is transferred to the cylinder via the rings which have a gap that allows them to expand and not tighten up in the bore . The piston to wall clearance is measured on the skirt which is meant to guide the piston in the cylinder . The seal between the piston and rings happens on the ring lands thus the need for a fairly tight fit there as someone else said .001 - .002 would be great but I wouldn't be alarmed if it were .005 . In my opinion glaze hone the cylinder and install new rings . Mark Empson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions > Howdy all, > > I was able to start evaluating the mechanical status of my new toy > today. It's a 1907 (serial number R1434E) 4 hp, screen cooled, > hit-n-miss IHC Famous. Although the rings were essentially dry, when > pulling it through compression it seemed to be loosing a lot of > compression past the piston at top dead center. So, with the help of > my machinist neighbors tools I took some measurements of the piston > and cylinder. The cylinder is in great condition with no hint of a > ring ridge. Up at the head end of the cylinder the horizontal > diameter is 4.8025" and the vertical diameter is 4.8060". At the > flywheel end of the cylinder the horizontal diameter is 4.8010" and > the vertical diameter is 4.8035". So, there is a tiny taper and the > cylinder at top dead center is only 3.5 thousandths out of round. I > think that I should be VERY happy with those measurements. The > piston is what I'm a little worried about. Although it is absolutely > round up by the rings and at the end of the skirt, between the first > and second ring the diameter is 4.780" and at the end of the skirt, > it's 4.794". So at the top of the piston, that gives me a vertical > difference in the diameter of the piston and cylinder of 26 > thousandths and a horizontal difference of 22.5 thousandths. In a > perfect world, what should the difference in piston diameter and > cylinder diameter be? Although the rings look to be in pretty good > shape, do you think that they could be the reason for the blowby? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue May 24 19:36:42 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050524182609.0427c4f0@mail.alltel.net> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050524182609.0427c4f0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4293E4BA.7050807@scrtc.com> Dave, No, there was a difference last time I looked, although I've paid much more attention to the chicks than gents. Looking at the photo again, you may be right. The person on the left may not be a gent. If anyone has an idea who they are, please let me know. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 10:33 PM 5/23/2005, you wrote: > >> OK everybody from outside the US, can any of you identify the gents >> in this photo? >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=30138400&p=71837456 >> >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > Hi Tommy, "Gents?" The one on the left is a chick. Is a chick the same > as a gent in KY? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 24 20:35:26 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:35:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] I'll take the Maytag Message-ID: <4293F27E.80402@earthlink.net> Hi all, Been trying to get the four year old B&S powered rototiller going for a couple days now. I'll take the damn carb clear off and soak it tomorrow. Short one got bored and wanted to start something that runs. Put some gas in the Maytag for him. Lit on the second kick. Wish it ran the other way. Wrong rotation or it would be on the tiller and I'd be doing the garden. Also took a listen to one of the Fairmont rail car engines. Sweet sound, much like a Maytag. I think I need one. Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Tue May 24 20:49:27 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:49:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> Message-ID: <4293F5C7.50906@earthlink.net> Hi Clint, Here are three shots that may help. I am leaning towards a Fairmont from your photos. From all of the posts it seems that there are some that play with real cool railroad toys. Me thinks it would also be a way cool stationary engine. If you need more photos let me know. Train museum is just down the road, and I'll take any excuse to go there. :-)) Jeff http://oldirongallery.com/T1 http://oldirongallery.com/T2 http://oldirongallery.com/T3 Clint D wrote: >OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, not much >to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? > >http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars > >Look under RR Engine > >Clint > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Listerdiesel" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:21 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Old trolly car engine > > > > >>On 5/23/05, Tod Engine wrote: >> >> >>>Trolley cars ran on electricity. They would have had motors, not engines. >>> >>>Are you talking about motor cars? If so, then we would need to know the >>>manufacturer. Most built their own engines. >>> >>>Rick >>> >>> >>We had trolley buses in the UK up intil the 1950's and 1960's, still >>quite a few preserved ones around. These were like regular road buses >>with electric pickup on long arms on the roof. >> >>Remember them from my school days, they used to arc something terrible >>on crossings and in the wet! >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From segray at mlode.com Tue May 24 21:44:16 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:44:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton><008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f6025160505230621706bd9d3@mail.gmail.com> <00f101c560c2$c1192660$10448304@clinton> Message-ID: <429402A0.90602@mlode.com> Hi Clint - Go to http://www.oldengineshed.com/tractor.html and have a look at some of the engine shots located there, especially the 2nd picture down. Your pictures look all the world like the same PH-4 I used on the tractor frame. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Clint D wrote: >OK Guys, here is 3 photos that I have at this time of the RR Car engine, not much >to go on, but maybe someone can tell something about it? > >http://community.webshots.com/user/driggars > >Look under RR Engine > >Clint > > > > From gibsongus at myway.com Tue May 24 21:53:04 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. Message-ID: <20050525045304.E65823985@mprdmxin.myway.com> Very interesting, heat that sucker up squit pentatrating oil and drive em out .-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Tue 05/24, < rdhaskell at juno.com > wrote: From: [mailto: rdhaskell at juno.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:55:12 -0700Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal.Hi all.I need to remove the flywheel from the crank of my 6 hp Blackstone. Ithas two square keys that go all the way through. Any suggestions besidesdrilling them out? Here are some pictures:http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843990&f=0http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843991&f=0http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843992&f=0http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843993&f=0Ron Haskellrdhaskell at juno.comRiverside, CaliforniaUSAhttp://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 25 07:48:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. References: <20050524.165513.660.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Can you weld to the key, Ron? Definetly a flywheel with "STYLE." RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. > Hi all. > I need to remove the flywheel from the crank of my 6 hp Blackstone. It > has two square keys that go all the way through. Any suggestions besides > drilling them out? Here are some pictures: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843990 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843991 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843992 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30275996&p=71843993 > &f=0 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed May 25 00:13:18 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:13:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/05, John Hammink wrote: > Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their > younger years. > > John Hammink LOL !! :-)) I've had my beard and have worn glasses for over 40 years, John, since before we got married in fact so it isn't me and Rita. I don't recognise the couple at all, perhaps Tommy could let us know when the pictures were taken and at which show/event? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed May 25 10:20:28 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:20:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4294B3DC.4040206@scrtc.com> Peter, Not sure on the date or event. I'm sure it was in England. The photo came to me as an attachment on an email with a photo of an engine that I think one of the individuals owned. I need some info on it and thought they could help provide it. But, I don't know who they are. Maybe someone will. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >On 5/24/05, John Hammink wrote: > > >>Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their >>younger years. >> >>John Hammink >> >> > >LOL !! :-)) > >I've had my beard and have worn glasses for over 40 years, John, since >before we got married in fact so it isn't me and Rita. > >I don't recognise the couple at all, perhaps Tommy could let us know >when the pictures were taken and at which show/event? > >Peter > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed May 25 10:26:08 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:26:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] long reach plug Message-ID: <44038i$112j04a@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> I'm looking for a long reach 1/2" pipe thread sparkplug. I think Maytag may have used something like this. This is for a vertical sideshaft marine engine manufactured by Domestic. Any help would be appreciated. J.B. Castagnos From oldengineman at hotmail.com Tue May 24 07:12:33 2005 From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight In-Reply-To: <001e01c56009$99c93640$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Hey Mike, You're welcome to come on up to West Virginia with some scales and weigh mine. I'n not sure, but it is fairly heavy -- maybe 1100 to 1200 lbs. Just a guess.. 'till later Pete Stauffer >From: "Mike Royster" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:37:59 -0400 > >Hi Listers: > > Would any of you good folks have the weight of a 7hp Alamo hopper >cooled, similar to the blue line? > >Many thanks, >Mike Royster >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed May 25 13:57:10 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:57:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <4403a9$119i8qn@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Is it possible to install nylon or teflon buttons in the skirt to stop the rocking without going to the expense of flamespraying and re tuning? Steve >From: >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:22:15 -0400 > > > > > > > Do the rings have enough tension or spring left in them?Maybe the engine >has > > got to hot in the past. Seems to me that if compression is lost suddenly >as > > the piston changes direction its rings losing thier seal. If the rings >where > > doing thier job and the piston is good size up to the ring gaps the >piston > > should not wobble? Just food for thought anyway. > > >The width of the rings in these old engines makes them more susceptable to >compression loss from the piston rocking. If the piston rocks it unseats >the ring at the leading edge. >J.B. Castagnos >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sleis at mwt.net Wed May 25 16:47:52 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:47:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Linsay Alamo ignitor help Message-ID: <003501c56184$469b7e20$6654becf@computer> Hi everyone Do any of you know where I can find a ignitor for a Linsay Alamo 1 1/2hp? I thought there was a guy at the swap meet in Baraboo but I cant remember. any help would be very appreciated here is my email address sleis at mwt.net Stacy From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 25 15:33:27 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:33:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List Message-ID: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a location for the serial number list? Thanks, Paul From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 25 16:13:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:13:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> References: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525191220.043236e8@mail.alltel.net> At 06:33 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a >location for the serial number list? > >Thanks, > >Paul Hi Paul, Glenn has the list in his book. You should buy it. It's only $10.00! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 25 16:21:53 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:21:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525192006.043ad480@mail.alltel.net> At 03:13 AM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >On 5/24/05, John Hammink wrote: > > Hi Tommy, looks like Peter and Rita Forbes to me in their > > younger years. > > > > John Hammink > >I've had my beard and have worn glasses for over 40 years, John, since >before we got married >Peter Hi Peter, I thought you were married to Rita. Were you married to John prior to that? Dave From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed May 25 17:03:32 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:03:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. Message-ID: <20050525.170332.1432.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick One looks like it might be possible, don't want to weld the key to the crank. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:51 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Can you weld to the key, Ron? > > Definetly a flywheel with "STYLE." > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed May 25 17:13:36 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:13:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Info on Appleton #22 Burr Mill Message-ID: <015301c56187$c4dcefa0$230110ac@PAUL> Does anyone have any information on Appleton Burr Mills? I am looking for information on a Appleton Mfg. Co #22 Mill. Thanks, Paul From Germoamer at aol.com Wed May 25 17:19:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:19:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List Message-ID: <12a.5e1459d3.2fc67002@aol.com> In a message dated 5/25/2005 6:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine >> Paul, What is the serial number? I have Glenn's book. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Wed May 25 18:14:51 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:14:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Kelly and Lewis engine Message-ID: <4295230B.50604@earthlink.net> Hi all, Not a list member, so reply direct if you can help. Reply to: linda.daryl1 at bigpond.com > I am a member of the Hamilton Pastoral Museum and have recently > purchased my first engine to restore. I have searched everywhere and > have not been able to find a manual to suit a Kelly & Lewis 4hp > vertical engine. The trouble is it has teh maggy missing and what > appears to be the maggy gear that goes through the block housing. I > dont know where to start. I would apprecite it if you could give me > some advice as i'm keen to get things happening with it or whether ive > brought a lemon. > > > Kind Regards, Daryl Albert > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed May 25 18:19:27 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:19:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster References: Message-ID: <002a01c56191$b5a26c40$ca85dccb@oemcomputer> Hi Rick.Sorry to be slow in replying to your request.I took the Webster and Bkt of my 4hp Famous today and here is what I found.The Bkt is a 303J4 and the mag is a JZ4.This seems to be the norm here.I have not seen the K bkt on any 4hp engine here.I.H.C list this set up in there parts book as well as the K set up.It is strange that the Webster lists that I have don't show the J4 set up. Hope this helps and gives you an alternative. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Cc: "Corky Harris" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster > Howdy all; > Trying to locate the numbers for a Webster mount and igniter for the 4hp > horizontal Famous. My Webster data in Doc Schusters book on page 80 is > unreadable...possibly a A303K40-B or K46-B. > > Could someone please look in their book and see if they can make it > out..or maybe someone has a Famous..Webster fired. > > TIA..Life is good in "The Big Sky" > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed May 25 19:16:51 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:16:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <12a.5e1459d3.2fc67002@aol.com> References: <12a.5e1459d3.2fc67002@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525221601.043dbce0@mail.alltel.net> ><< Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine >> >Paul, >What is the serial number? I have Glenn's book. >Tom Schmutz So does Paul--he just forgot that he had it! Dave From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed May 25 19:41:51 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:41:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List In-Reply-To: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> References: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050525213357.03d88f98@mail.herculesengines.com> Paul You might try looking here: http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm Try the first link. You'll also find copies of owners manuals, original literature, pictures, etc. Keith At 05:33 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a >location for the serial number list? > >Thanks, > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon May 23 08:44:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:44:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old trolly car engine In-Reply-To: References: <010401c55f55$e9437be0$ed468304@clinton> <008401c55f79$8b3958c0$a65bef18@pengy> <00a201c55fa1$bcf3e100$bb408304@clinton> Message-ID: <6f60251605052308447c77179b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Does it resemble this: > > http://www.cnjfestival.com/Highlight_pages/SpeederCar.html > > Doubt that it's H&M tho..but worth a look. > > Rick > Looks like an Onan CCK air-cooled twin in there? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 26 03:36:48 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:36:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight References: Message-ID: <000b01c561de$d286a2c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Good Mornin Pete: Thanks for chiming in. I told my hard headed brother it did not weight more than 1200, but he would not believe me. Looks like I am going to Portland in August. I will be riding with Bill Bird. You coming? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stauffer" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Alamo weight > Hey Mike, > > You're welcome to come on up to West Virginia with some scales and weigh > mine. I'n not sure, but it is fairly heavy -- maybe 1100 to 1200 lbs. Just > a guess.. > > 'till later > > Pete Stauffer > > >From: "Mike Royster" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: > >Subject: [SEL] Alamo weight > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 22:37:59 -0400 > > > >Hi Listers: > > > > Would any of you good folks have the weight of a 7hp Alamo hopper > >cooled, similar to the blue line? > > > >Many thanks, > >Mike Royster > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu May 26 04:48:37 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:48:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List References: <012101c56179$cb878300$230110ac@PAUL> <6.2.1.2.0.20050525213357.03d88f98@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <000b01c561e8$dccbae10$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Keith, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Economy Engine Serial Number List > Paul > You might try looking here: > http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm > Try the first link. You'll also find copies of owners manuals, original > literature, pictures, etc. > Keith > > > > At 05:33 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: >>Looking to date an Economy 5 HP E Engine, can someone direct me to a >>location for the serial number list? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Paul >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu May 26 05:50:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:50:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster References: <002a01c56191$b5a26c40$ca85dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time and trouble, Edd..'preciate it! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster > Hi Rick.Sorry to be slow in replying to your request.I took the Webster > and > Bkt of my 4hp Famous today and here is what I found.The Bkt is a 303J4 and > the mag is a JZ4.This seems to be the norm here.I have not seen the K bkt > on > any 4hp engine here.I.H.C list this set up in there parts book as well as > the K set up.It is strange that the Webster lists that I have don't show > the > J4 set up. Hope this helps and gives you an alternative. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Cc: "Corky Harris" > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:20 > Subject: [SEL] 4 hp HC Famous Webster > > > > Howdy all; > > Trying to locate the numbers for a Webster mount and igniter for the 4hp > > horizontal Famous. My Webster data in Doc Schusters book on page 80 is > > unreadable...possibly a A303K40-B or K46-B. > > > > Could someone please look in their book and see if they can make it > > out..or maybe someone has a Famous..Webster fired. > > > > TIA..Life is good in "The Big Sky" > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu May 26 06:28:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:28:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. References: <20050525.170332.1432.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Well Ron, for what it's worth,,here goes on how I got the Gals flywheels off. I drilled, tapped, slide hamered the whole routine..nothing, zipppo. The crank throw has a nice flat area for a puller to rest on, so I tried to pull the flywheel on just a little bit more. Both the flywheel and key moved just a perverbial hair, so I reversed the puller and installed so I could pull off the flywheel. Both the flywheel and key moved together and I was keeping a very close eye out for one to move and not the other. After several hours and quite a bit of sweat, I had one off. The other one did the same thing, both with no ill effects. And that ~3" key had a .020 taper. Oh I just remembered, I had a heat gun on the hub all the time and it seemed to help. Stayed away from Rosebud. We have no way of knowing if your keys are tapered, but common sense would suggest they are...definetly a different arrangement than what we're used to seeing. I always wanted to try dry ice on the cs and heat on the hub, but never have. If it were mine, I'd have the cs all polished up, apply our favorite panther pi$$ over and over and put it thru many heat cycles....again not using Rosebud. Can't think of anything else. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. > Hi Rick > One looks like it might be possible, don't want to weld the key to the > crank. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:51 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Can you weld to the key, Ron? > > > > Definetly a flywheel with "STYLE." > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:55 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Blackstone flywheel removal. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu May 26 15:24:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:24:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Info needed from outside the US In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050525192006.043ad480@mail.alltel.net> References: <42929292.7060101@scrtc.com> <000901c560b2$5827b690$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <6f60251605052500137dfd1276@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050525192006.043ad480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605052615244581e3a9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/26/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, I thought you were married to Rita. Were you married to John > prior to that? > Dave Hey, Dave, read the punctuation!! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 26 17:39:43 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Oil Field engines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050527003943.50794.qmail@web14122.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Rick. I'll give it a go. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Ron..click on the vBChat and I'll try to get his email address: Please remind me http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5 Good Luck Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil Field engines > Rick, > How do I get to Harrys chatroom. I'd like to git one of these engines. > Thanks > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > I chat almost every night with a guy in West Virginia who has the contract > to remove all the engines from oil field leases. Mainly has Reids but > other > show up now and then. He has so many (so he says) that some will go to the > scrapper where he claims it will bring ~325 bucks. > The Reid he's working on now has a very kewl reversing clutch. > > Anyone interested can jump in Harry's chatroom around 8-9 E.S.T. He goes > by "Old Engine Nut." We jus call him Nut. > > > I can't afford to have one shipped, but Paul M. said one time he wanted > one. > > > > later, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri May 27 06:57:32 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:57:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? In-Reply-To: <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050527065607.01aceb00@mail.pennswoods.net> Gus i have a couple 16 but don't remember if they are brigs or kohler if interested. central PA R Fink PA At 09:11 AM 5/22/2005, you wrote: >Heck Le roy you can get all kinds of cards at American Greetings store or >Hall mark >Ha ha You dont no of a lonly 16 hp hor shaft Kohler engine laying >around??? I just redid the whole front end ( gear bosxes,blades ect ) on >the front of my lawn rig ( Parker ) to ther toon of 500 bucks worth only >to have the engine eat a rod today... I still have that old engine to >trade for ?????? >Gus in Ottawa >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Fri May 27 08:55:03 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT hwlp finding about a journeyman's card? In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050527065607.01aceb00@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <001a01c55ee8$ee6f43a0$162ea8c0@shuttle> <6.1.0.6.0.20050527065607.01aceb00@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <2652.165.206.180.144.1117209303.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Too bad you can't use a verticle shaft - I've got a 18.5 hp Briggs twin with vert. shaft - I'm thinking of working this rider that I got into a butt-buggy, maybe power it with an antique.... Not sure what to do with it. Bill > > Gus i have a couple 16 but don't remember if they are brigs or kohler if > interested. central PA > R Fink > PA > > > > > At 09:11 AM 5/22/2005, you wrote: >>Heck Le roy you can get all kinds of cards at American Greetings store or >>Hall mark >>Ha ha You dont no of a lonly 16 hp hor shaft Kohler engine laying >>around??? I just redid the whole front end ( gear bosxes,blades ect ) on >>the front of my lawn rig ( Parker ) to ther toon of 500 bucks worth only >>to have the engine eat a rod today... I still have that old engine to >>trade for ?????? >>Gus in Ottawa >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri May 27 14:05:38 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:05:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year Message-ID: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Hi All If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 hours from start to finish. So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something to make the loading process a LOT easier. Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands :-)))))))) Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm Dolly & Jim -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri May 27 14:52:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:52:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000501c56306$737f18b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Great work guys, afterall I never had a doubt about Jim's lifting capacities . John H. > Hi All > > If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the > year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took > Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 > hours from start to finish. > So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something > to make the loading process a LOT easier. > Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. > >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up > and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands > :-)))))))) > Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm > > Dolly & Jim > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri May 27 15:26:08 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:26:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001f01c5630b$15aa7590$c1596e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Nice way of loading! What is the reaction of the public and the engine crowd to the engine. I don't expect there are many of these over there. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year > Hi All > > If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the > year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took > Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 > hours from start to finish. > So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something > to make the loading process a LOT easier. > Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. >>From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up > and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands > :-)))))))) > Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm > > Dolly & Jim > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 27 15:59:51 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:59:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site Message-ID: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Hi all, I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: http://www.todengine.org/ Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two computers and no luck here. Thanks, Jeff From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 27 16:44:49 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f701c56316$126ab2e0$a65bef18@pengy> I just tried it and it works perfect for me. I have IE 6.0. If anyone else has a problem I'll contact my webmaster, but I would imagine that the page should open for all browsers. Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > Hi all, > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > http://www.todengine.org/ > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > computers and no luck here. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Fri May 27 17:30:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:30:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> No problems here. Using Mozilla Firefox, IE 6, and Netscape. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > Hi all, > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > http://www.todengine.org/ > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > computers and no luck here. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri May 27 19:14:47 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:14:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site In-Reply-To: <001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> <001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <4297D417.2070703@earthlink.net> Sorry all. Had to reboot the whole damn network a couple times and all is well. Thanks! Jeff Steve W. wrote: >No problems here. Using Mozilla Firefox, IE 6, and Netscape. > >Steve Williams > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM >Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > > > > >>Hi all, >> >>I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: >>http://www.todengine.org/ >> >>Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on >> >> >two > > >>computers and no luck here. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Jeff >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri May 27 19:57:24 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:57:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net><001c01c5631c$7d42efa0$821117d1@net.telenet.net> <4297D417.2070703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <014e01c56330$f9660540$a65bef18@pengy> Jeff thats OK. You generated some extra traffic to our site and thats most appreciated! :-))) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > Sorry all. Had to reboot the whole damn network a couple times and all is > well. Thanks! > > Jeff > > Steve W. wrote: > >>No problems here. Using Mozilla Firefox, IE 6, and Netscape. >> >>Steve Williams >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jeff Allen" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM >>Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site >> >> >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: >>>http://www.todengine.org/ >>> >>>Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on >>> >>two >> >>>computers and no luck here. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Jeff >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat May 28 01:21:54 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:21:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site In-Reply-To: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050528012124e5f18b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/27/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > http://www.todengine.org/ > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > computers and no luck here. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Works OK on Opera, IE6 and Firefox. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat May 28 02:12:00 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:12:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford Parker Auction, Foster, Vic Australia Message-ID: <001901c56367$637af130$51ae57ca@n> G'day All Went to the Ford parker Auction at Foster today and was very cold, windy and wet, but still a lot of buyers there and a few bargains were to be had: Here is a list of what the better engines went for: All engine were old restorations and would go with a bit of oil and fuel. *Sundial B 2 h.p $440 *Cooper TB 2 h.p $400 *Ronny D model $500 *Sundial A 4 h.p $700 *Root & Vandervoort $1800 *Callie Perfection Marine $775 *Petter Handyman $3700 *Cooper W was passed in at $1200 but believed to have sold after for $2500 *Tangye BR LT ignition passed in at $3250 *Early Petrol McDonald $3100 *Wisconsia Pep $2500 *Cooper coffee pot $625 *Sandwich 1.5 h.p $2700 *Hercules 3 h.p $1150 *Blackstone vertical petrol $3100 *Sunshine extremely early model 7 h.p $2500 *National Gas 4 h.p? $4500 *Powell 3 h.p $3500 *Crossley LL $5000 *Crossley KK $5100 *Imperial Pitt 5 h.p $8000 *Hornsby Petrol with air compressor $7300 *Blackstone 6 h.p $5700 *Hercules 3 h.p $1700 *Gardner 4 F $10000 *Campbell Girder engine $8100 *Austral 11 h.p $7200 *Inter M LT with pump $1900 So there you go and the magnetos went mainly from $10 to $150 with a few others as webster, wizzard, elkhart etc going between $200 and $550 I myself Snagged the Early Sunshine and the Root & Vandervoort and a few magneto's so i had a good day as well. Cheers Mick Mick Christie Victoria, Australia Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat May 28 05:46:13 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:46:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> <001f01c5630b$15aa7590$c1596e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <42986815.B08A39F7@insulate.co.uk> Hi Jim We've only taken Tillie to a couple of shows; one is a little local show at the city pumping station where there are a small number of all sorts of things mechanical on display, so people don't realise that they're seeing something really special. The other show, Lamport, is the one we're doing this weekend, and we took Tillie there a couple of years ago. It's about 15 miles south of us at a beautiful stately home, with LOTS of displays. I think they're expecting over 100 stationary engines this year. Not only is this show the perfect setting, it also has the most enthusiastic organiser for the engines. There are lots of shows which have expressed an interest in having Tillie on display, but Pete makes a huge effort to ensure that she has pride of place on the showground AND means of loading and unloading. We are fairly certain she's the only half-breed in the UK - possibly in Europe. There are rumoured to be other oilfield engines in England, but I've never heard of them being rallied. One of the most interesting things about the first time we did Lamport was the way she drew the steam men over. Normally, the steam fraternity don't take any notice of the engines, but most of them made the exception for Tillie! Today when we took her and unloaded her, lots of folk ambled over and in the course of the conversation, asked if we'd taken her barker this year!!!! That had definately stayed in a lot of memories! Of course, we will be demonstrating! The public also ask lots of questions, because she's so big! The two-coloured paint job draws attention, but it's a great way of explaining the steam to gas converson. So all in all, she's a great crowd puller, from the totally unmechanical, who just want to know what she did and how we move her around, to the highly technical, who are fascinated to see something so different. Dolly Jim and Diane wrote: > Nice way of loading! What is the reaction of the public and the engine > crowd to the engine. I don't expect there are many of these over there. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sat May 28 08:09:14 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:09:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year In-Reply-To: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Nice job Jim and Dolly! That series of photos of Tillie's shed brought back some great memories of our visit. That's a great way to load and unload engines and I need to build something like that here at my place. I couldn't tell from the pictures, what kind of footings did you have to pour to support that frame and Tillie? Thanks for the nice pictures. Since Arnie is a little behind on his reports will we also get to see some Lamport photos? See you in Portland, Steve >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:05:38 +0100 > >Hi All > >If Arnie had completed his Yank's trip report for last year (or even the >year before, but we won't mention that!), you'd know that when we took >Tillie out, loading her up on the trailer was no joke. Best part of 8 >hours from start to finish. >So Jim decided if Tillie was going out again, he'd better do something >to make the loading process a LOT easier. >Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. > >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up >and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands >:-)))))))) >Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm > >Dolly & Jim > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat May 28 09:10:54 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:10:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] babbitt melting pot Message-ID: Neat little melting pot here with other bells and whistles: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7517659519 Take Care, RickinMt. From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat May 28 11:37:36 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:37:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site References: <4297A667.7060003@earthlink.net> <00f701c56316$126ab2e0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <001901c563b4$532c4340$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> I had no problem opening . Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > I just tried it and it works perfect for me. I have IE 6.0. If anyone else > has a problem I'll contact my webmaster, but I would imagine that the page > should open for all browsers. > > Thanks > > Rick Rowlands > Executive Director > Tod Engine Heritage Park > William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine > Youngstown, OH > http://www.todengine.org/ > Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT? Tod engine site > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been trying for two days to get to the site at: > > http://www.todengine.org/ > > > > Is it on my end? Can you get in. Rick says he can. Three browsers on two > > computers and no luck here. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/05 > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat May 28 14:23:55 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:23:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: Message-ID: <4298E16B.CEA967A1@insulate.co.uk> Hi Steve Steve Royster wrote: > Nice job Jim and Dolly! That series of photos of Tillie's shed brought back > some great memories of our visit. That's a great way to load and unload > engines and I need to build something like that here at my place. I couldn't > tell from the pictures, what kind of footings did you have to pour to > support that frame and Tillie? Footings weren't all that deep - each one only has to support 15CWTs, so Jim dug holes about 18" sq, down to about 2', then filled them with concrete and bolted the framework to it. The tricky bit was getting each of them level for the steel structure. > Thanks for the nice pictures. Since Arnie is > a little behind on his reports will we also get to see some Lamport photos? You certainly will. Tonight the lads took Jim's newest engine, the Ruston Hornsby 2HR (10HP, open crank diesel) over to the showground for its first outing. Andy's taken a couple of his engines, and Norma Jean is loaded into the trailer ready to go in the morning. Forecast is good, we're set up right near the beer tent, so it all looks to be going according to plan! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat May 28 19:57:29 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:57:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> <001f01c5630b$15aa7590$c1596e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <42986815.B08A39F7@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <006e01c563fa$27f775f0$a0426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Helen, Thanks for the reply. I got to thinking about half breed engines and I have to say they are not very common here either. I have never seen one made by anybody at any of the west coast shows, some oil field engines yes, but no half breeds. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year > Hi Jim > > We've only taken Tillie to a couple of shows; one is a little local show > at > the city pumping station where there are a small number of all sorts of > things > mechanical on display, so people don't realise that they're seeing > something > really special. > The other show, Lamport, is the one we're doing this weekend, and we took > Tillie there a couple of years ago. It's about 15 miles south of us at a > beautiful stately home, with LOTS of displays. I think they're expecting > over > 100 stationary engines this year. Not only is this show the perfect > setting, > it also has the most enthusiastic organiser for the engines. > There are lots of shows which have expressed an interest in having Tillie > on > display, but Pete makes a huge effort to ensure that she has pride of > place on > the showground AND means of loading and unloading. > We are fairly certain she's the only half-breed in the UK - possibly in > Europe. There are rumoured to be other oilfield engines in England, but > I've > never heard of them being rallied. > One of the most interesting things about the first time we did Lamport was > the > way she drew the steam men over. Normally, the steam fraternity don't > take > any notice of the engines, but most of them made the exception for Tillie! > Today when we took her and unloaded her, lots of folk ambled over and in > the > course of the conversation, asked if we'd taken her barker this year!!!! > That > had definately stayed in a lot of memories! Of course, we will be > demonstrating! > The public also ask lots of questions, because she's so big! The > two-coloured > paint job draws attention, but it's a great way of explaining the steam to > gas > converson. So all in all, she's a great crowd puller, from the totally > unmechanical, who just want to know what she did and how we move her > around, > to the highly technical, who are fascinated to see something so different. > > Dolly > > Jim and Diane wrote: > >> Nice way of loading! What is the reaction of the public and the engine >> crowd to the engine. I don't expect there are many of these over there. >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From welch at ii.net Sun May 29 00:24:17 2005 From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:24:17 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Big Blackstone in Western Australia Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050529151403.0227aec0@mail.iinet.net.au> Evening all, If anyone in Western Australia is interested in a Blackstone OP2 diesel, located in suburban Perth, please get in touch with me offline ; welch AT iinet.net.au Images at ; http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESBlackstoneOP21.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESBlackstoneOP22.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESBlackstoneOP23.JPG This engine is very heavy, and in a location that will make it difficult to retrieve, however the asking price is exceedingly modest, verging on $0.00 ! They also have a 24 inch Cincinnati Shaper available ; http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper1.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper2.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper3.JPG http://members.iinet.net.au/~welch/NDMESCincinnatiShaper4.JPG cheers ... Charles Welch From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 29 05:05:00 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:05:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford Parker Auction, Foster, Vic Australia In-Reply-To: <001901c56367$637af130$51ae57ca@n> Message-ID: <20050529120456.DAOV16004.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> I would not have minded one of the bigger engines but they were all a bit rich for my budget. The R&V is a good buy, but I always think a R&V is a good buy ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day All Went to the Ford parker Auction at Foster today and was very cold, windy and wet, but still a lot of buyers there and a few bargains were to be had: Here is a list of what the better engines went for: All engine were old restorations and would go with a bit of oil and fuel. I myself Snagged the Early Sunshine and the Root & Vandervoort and a few magneto's so i had a good day as well. Cheers Mick From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun May 29 07:46:37 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:46:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! Message-ID: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. The workshop would be for the better part of one day, and would start with making a sand mold from a pattern, either something brought in or supplied by us. Then we would charge and fire our cupola furnace and pour the molds that were previously made, and end the day with shaking out he molds and taking home the castings that the participants poured. Most people never have the opportunity to witness molten metal, and even fewer have worked with it. Through this I workshop would like to give people the opportunity to do something that they may not have the chance to do or see anywhere else, and also teach some of the principles of ironcasting in the process. Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. If there is sufficient interest we would probably start offering this next year. So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown to pour your own castings? Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun May 29 11:08:05 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:08:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f60251605052911081c956868@mail.gmail.com> On 5/29/05, Tod Engine wrote: > I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine >Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. Rick: That sounds like a great idea, especially for those wanting to dip a toe in the water on casting matters, but haven't the knowledge to make a go of it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 29 12:41:32 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:41:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <429A1AEC.8070008@scrtc.com> If I could work it in my schedule, I'd be in. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Tod Engine wrote: >I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. > >The workshop would be for the better part of one day, and would start with making a sand mold from a pattern, either something brought in or supplied by us. Then we would charge and fire our cupola furnace and pour the molds that were previously made, and end the day with shaking out he molds and taking home the castings that the participants poured. > >Most people never have the opportunity to witness molten metal, and even fewer have worked with it. Through this I workshop would like to give people the opportunity to do something that they may not have the chance to do or see anywhere else, and also teach some of the principles of ironcasting in the process. > >Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. > >If there is sufficient interest we would probably start offering this next year. > >So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown to pour your own castings? > >Thanks > >Rick Rowlands >Executive Director >Tod Engine Heritage Park >William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine >Youngstown, OH >http://www.todengine.org/ >Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun May 29 19:09:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:09:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> >So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of >interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown >to pour your own castings? >Thanks >Rick Rowlands For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar amount please count me OUT! Dave PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun May 29 20:09:16 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:09:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] First Time Participant At Engine Show Message-ID: Finally, I participated in my first engine show. One of the members of the EDGE & TA Branch 27 encouraged me to show a couple of my Maytags at Cayucos this week end. Now, I understand the frustration of displaying engines. The Model 72 twin ran like a dream. However, the Model 92 single ran very well for a while. Then, it stopped and I wasn't able to get it started again. When I arrived home, I tried the single again and it started. I was able to stop and start it several times without any problem (I didn't have to threaten it with an axe). Nevertheless, I have the bug to show the engines again. I am hoping to attend the engine meet in Santa Ynez on June 11. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From christison at coastalnet.com Sun May 29 19:54:30 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:54:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! Message-ID: <410-22005513025430859@coastalnet.com> Dave, I don't believe you read all of Rick's post. His suggested price was clear to me. Have a nice day. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Dave Rotigel > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 5/29/2005 10:38:22 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! > > > >So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of > >interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown > >to pour your own castings? > >Thanks > >Rick Rowlands > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price is > closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar amount > please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun May 29 20:10:36 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:10:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <429A842C.8020401@scrtc.com> No sucker here Dave (although I've been called something that rhymes with it). I've cut and pasted the wording as it appeared in Rick's email: Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would >> be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to >> Youngstown to pour your own castings? >> Thanks >> Rick Rowlands > > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your > price is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some > dollar amount please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 29 20:53:19 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:53:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: References: <20050521124100.40657.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> <42908D86.5030707@udata.com> <429146FC.4000105@scrtc.com> Message-ID: > The rings fit very nicely in the ring groove and although I haven't > measured it, the gap looks pretty good as well, especially since the > rings have overlapping ends. The biggest problem with worn ring grooves is that they wear so the sides of the grooves are no longer parallel. They tend to wear so that the outer parts of the grooves flare. The inner part of the groove may still fit tightly when the ring's pushed down into the groove, but perhaps as the piston comes up into the looser upper part of the bore the rings can expand just enough to let them get out into that flared section and tip or twist, allowing blowby. One possible fix is machining new, wider grooves and fitting wider rings. Tommy's suggested fix of flame spraying the piston and turning it down to size would of course allow machining proper ring grooves. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 29 20:47:03 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] babbitt melting pot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c18996ca34240340aa83c7631010e9a@chartertn.net> For melting bulk scrap lead to make ingots, I use a gas-fired turkey fryer with a cast iron pot (which came with the fryer.) It would work just as well for large babbitt jobs. A smaller pot would be preferable for babbitting smaller engines. Bullet casting ladles would work well for the dipping and pouring part with the smaller ones. John On May 28, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Neat little melting pot here with other bells and whistles: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7517659519 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun May 29 20:17:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:17:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <429A85BD.4010000@earthlink.net> I think his dollar figure was $200. Jeff Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would >> be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to >> Youngstown to pour your own castings? >> Thanks >> Rick Rowlands > > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your > price is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some > dollar amount please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun May 29 20:52:37 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:52:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: > Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 > and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would > like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. Hey, I'm glad to hear they're finally doing something with the Sloss Furnace! I remember from my childhood when it was a going concern, but it got shut down by EPA regulations in the late '60s or so. When I was in med school in Birmingham in the '70s it was just rusting away, with some talk of making it a museum. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From plb at iinet.net.au Sun May 29 23:06:51 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:06:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <013601c564dd$c68e9430$0501010a@Portable> "Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs." I know its still the weekend up there Dave but you can you do better than that? Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price > is closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar > amount please count me OUT! > Dave > PS, Hi Tommy, there is one born every minute! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Mon May 30 04:32:39 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 7:32:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! Message-ID: <43vtna$sm43d2@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > > For $5.00 I'd be interested. For $5,000.00 I probably would NOT be > interested. Since you provide no dollar figure I suspect that your price is > closer to the latter that the former. Until you provide some dollar amount > please count me OUT! > Dave My guess is he's expecting $200 for a weekend since that's what he said in his post. That wouldn't stop me, the 1000 mile trip probably would. J.B. Castagnos From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 30 06:15:14 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:15:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> Yes Sloss furnaces is now a city park! They opened up in 1988 or so. I visited in 1993 and was given the grand tour, including to the tops of both furnaces. There are six vertical blowing engines in their blowing engine house that are magnificent. Actually one of the CDs that I sell is full of the photos that I took there in 93. A couple hundred or so. As for Dave if he didn't see the price listed in my original post then he certainly didn't read the very fine print that stated that original Wrecking Crew members would not be charged for the ironcasting workshop. :-)) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! >> Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and >> we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to >> take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. > > Hey, I'm glad to hear they're finally doing something with the Sloss > Furnace! I remember from my childhood when it was a going concern, but it > got shut down by EPA regulations in the late '60s or so. When I was in med > school in Birmingham in the '70s it was just rusting away, with some talk > of making it a museum. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon May 30 07:35:28 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:35:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <69ffb35f02459bb63908254832d77e38@chartertn.net> > Yes Sloss furnaces is now a city park! They opened up in 1988 or so. > I visited in 1993 and was given the grand tour, including to the tops > of both furnaces. There are six vertical blowing engines in their > blowing engine house that are magnificent. Actually one of the CDs > that I sell is full of the photos that I took there in 93. A couple > hundred or so. Boy, I'm glad to hear they got it done! I've added that to my long list of things I want to see someday. (Maybe when/if I retire!) :-) It was awesome to see those big furnaces fired up at night! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 30 08:06:31 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <429A842C.8020401@scrtc.com> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050529220422.0427c830@mail.alltel.net> <429A842C.8020401@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110558.0463c9c8@mail.alltel.net> At 11:10 PM 5/29/2005, you wrote: >No sucker here Dave (although I've been called something that rhymes with >it). I've cut and pasted the wording as it appeared in Rick's email: > >Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we >would charge the same for a nearly identical class > >Tommy Turner That sounds like a fair price to me! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon May 30 08:09:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:09:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> >As for Dave if he didn't see the price listed in my original post then he >certainly didn't read the very fine print that stated that original >Wrecking Crew members would not be charged for the ironcasting workshop. :-)) > >Rick NO, I totally missed it Rick. My Bad! I would think, however, that since it is going for a good cause that everyone shoukd pay something! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 30 08:21:15 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:21:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tillie's first show of the year In-Reply-To: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> References: <42978BA2.BF9498A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <1117466475.429b2f6be5bd3@webmail.city-net.com> Bloody hell!! That's slickern' snot on a doorknob!! 8-)) I think it took me more than an hour to load two small engines on the trailer for the show at Chickentown this weekend. WELL DONE JIM!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim French : > Well, tonight he loaded up for the Lamport Hall show on Sunday/Monday. > >From bringing the trailer up into the garden to having Tillie loaded up > and ready to go - one hour exactly!!!! And no-one even got dirty hands > :-)))))))) > Enjoy the pictures of some SLICK loading! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/tillielift.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 30 11:12:50 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:12:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 7 HP Sattley Buzz Saw Rig Message-ID: <1117476770.429b57a28beb8@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, I just posted an ad on Harry's page for a friend that has this outfit for sale. I saw it running at Chickentown this weekend. Sweet runner and ready to go. Have a look... http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/30464 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 30 14:13:24 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:13:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <010801c5655e$36af0c60$39ecf504@x8h7l9> Rick, You could put me on your list of potentially interested. I don't need a casting at present but making them is something I always wanted to do. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "Steam-engine mailing list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! I am trying to gauge interest in a proposed program for the Tod Engine Foundation. I am considering offering an Ironcasting workshop at our site. The workshop would be for the better part of one day, and would start with making a sand mold from a pattern, either something brought in or supplied by us. Then we would charge and fire our cupola furnace and pour the molds that were previously made, and end the day with shaking out he molds and taking home the castings that the participants poured. Most people never have the opportunity to witness molten metal, and even fewer have worked with it. Through this I workshop would like to give people the opportunity to do something that they may not have the chance to do or see anywhere else, and also teach some of the principles of ironcasting in the process. Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. If there is sufficient interest we would probably start offering this next year. So my question to you is, does this sound like something that would be of interest? Would you give up a weekend and some cash to come to Youngstown to pour your own castings? Thanks Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon May 30 14:17:46 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:17:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <010901c5655e$3702f8c0$39ecf504@x8h7l9> There is an old forge in the next town. I haven't paid much attention to it except to notice the motor for the conveyer which moves the coal up to a hopper. It has to be smaller than what you are talking about here. If anybody was interested, I could take a few pictures. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! > > Sloss Furnaces in Birmingham offers this workshop for a fee of $200 > > and we would charge the same for a nearly identical class. I would > > like to take the Sloss class to see how they teach theirs. > > Hey, I'm glad to hear they're finally doing something with the Sloss > Furnace! I remember from my childhood when it was a going concern, but > it got shut down by EPA regulations in the late '60s or so. When I was > in med school in Birmingham in the '70s it was just rusting away, with > some talk of making it a museum. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon May 30 14:38:35 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:38:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Australian help wanted Message-ID: <000a01c56560$066deba0$049ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Dave & Graham, Thanks for the encouraging responce for help pictures of the engine that I own were published in The Stationary Magazine in the march 2003 copy on page 5. The engine is in storage and not easy to get at to photograph at the moment, and I can't lay my hands on the other photos I have. Thanks in the meantime, Craig in Scotland From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon May 30 14:53:34 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:53:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! In-Reply-To: <010901c5655e$3702f8c0$39ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <010901c5655e$3702f8c0$39ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <16c86abfdca243534c629cbde7fd988b@chartertn.net> Might be a cupola furnace. The Sloss Furnace was a huge operation, with big blast furnaces making iron from locally produced iron ore, coal and limestone. Birmingham used to be a big iron and steel producer, sometimes called "The Pittsburgh of the South." John On May 30, 2005, at 5:17 PM, ED wrote: > There is an old forge in the next town. I haven't paid much attention > to it > except to notice the motor for the conveyer which moves the coal up to > a > hopper. It has to be smaller than what you are talking about here. If > anybody was interested, I could take a few pictures. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Mon May 30 18:17:03 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:17:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy><003001c56519$9db94640$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050530110739.04655958@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <006a01c5657e$742b5a10$a65bef18@pengy> I've never turned away contributions! However if it weren't for the wrecking crew the Tod would have been recycled into seamless pipe so I'm still indebted to you all. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! > >>As for Dave if he didn't see the price listed in my original post then he >>certainly didn't read the very fine print that stated that original >>Wrecking Crew members would not be charged for the ironcasting workshop. >>:-)) >> >>Rick > > NO, I totally missed it Rick. My Bad! I would think, however, that since > it is going for a good cause that everyone shoukd pay something! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue May 31 04:36:36 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:36:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Notices Message-ID: <003201c565d5$1c1f9b40$a4e3f504@x8h7l9> I plan to do some traveling soon and am alert for Antique Engine / Tractor Shows along the way. In GEM, I notice a show June 3-5 in Indiana somewhere but they don't say where the show is and don't give a web site for more information. Has anybody heard of the Hendricks County Antique Tractor and Machinery Assn. This has happened several times to me. Folks work hard to put on these shows but need someone from out of state to proof the adds. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue May 31 05:39:14 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:39:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: <4298E16B.CEA967A1@insulate.co.uk> References: <4298E16B.CEA967A1@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <47451.199.62.0.252.1117543154.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31776538 i was given these 2 engines on Sunday. no marks or casting #'s. 10" flywheel with fan spokes and an oiler port for the piston. the one with the mixer has a bronze casting for the crankcase cover/outer support, vertical mag mount, flyball governor, copper gas tank, internal cam gear for exhaust pushrod. the crank turns 2.5 rev to 1 on the large gear. the small pully has an inner groove with a hook for a starting rope. the partial engine has a cast iron horizontal mag mount, etc. both base castings have the same 3 bolt mounting pattern for something. i'm wondering if this was used as a forge blower engine running the fan belt on the flywheel perimeter? thanks, marv From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 06:06:44 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 06:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Notices In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050531130644.42817.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, The Centerhall, PA show is this comming weekend. Pretty good one. Ron ED wrote: I plan to do some traveling soon and am alert for Antique Engine / Tractor Shows along the way. In GEM, I notice a show June 3-5 in Indiana somewhere but they don't say where the show is and don't give a web site for more information. Has anybody heard of the Hendricks County Antique Tractor and Machinery Assn. This has happened several times to me. Folks work hard to put on these shows but need someone from out of state to proof the adds. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue May 31 07:01:57 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Marv Looks like a Standard Cream Separator Engine. Here are a few pics on one... http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/RockRiver2001/Engine35.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/RockRiver2001/Engine37.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/RockRiver2001/Engine38.jpg (you might have to check the link for wrapping. there are other pictures on the net of Standard Cream Separator Engines...) Steve --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: pics at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4002561&a=31776538 i was given these 2 engines on Sunday. no marks or casting #'s. 10" flywheel with fan spokes and an oiler port for the piston. the one with the mixer has a bronze casting for the crankcase cover/outer support, vertical mag mount, flyball governor, copper gas tank, internal cam gear for exhaust pushrod. the crank turns 2.5 rev to 1 on the large gear. the small pully has an inner groove with a hook for a starting rope. the partial engine has a cast iron horizontal mag mount, etc. both base castings have the same 3 bolt mounting pattern for something. i'm wondering if this was used as a forge blower engine running the fan belt on the flywheel perimeter? thanks, marv From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue May 31 07:51:16 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:51:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator In-Reply-To: <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44151.199.62.0.252.1117551076.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Steve, that's what it is! now if i could only find a base and the seperator--- thanks, marv > Marv > > Looks like a Standard Cream Separator Engine. From Germoamer at aol.com Tue May 31 14:18:48 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:18:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions Message-ID: <9b.6099567d.2fce2eb8@aol.com> In a message dated 5/30/2005 8:59:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << Tommy's suggested fix of flame spraying the piston and turning it down to size would of course allow machining proper ring grooves. >> John, Do the shops flame spray the ring grooves too? It has been my experience and understanding that they spray the skirt only, and machine the ring grooves oversize as needed to clean them up and make oversize rings to fit. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue May 31 14:28:08 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:28:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator References: 6667 <20050531140157.28869.qmail@web80606.mail.yahoo.com> <44151.199.62.0.252.1117551076.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <002e01c56627$a6a695a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Weld them up. Easy fabrication. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] engine ID wanted- identified, Standard seperator > Steve, that's what it is! > > now if i could only find a base and the seperator--- > > thanks, marv From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue May 31 14:56:49 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:56:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cylinder/piston questions In-Reply-To: <9b.6099567d.2fce2eb8@aol.com> References: <9b.6099567d.2fce2eb8@aol.com> Message-ID: > Do the shops flame spray the ring grooves too? It has been my > experience and > understanding that they spray the skirt only, and machine the ring > grooves > oversize as needed to clean them up and make oversize rings to fit. Hmmm, I expect you're right. Sorry about that. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From todengine at zoominternet.net Tue May 31 19:43:51 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:43:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Make your own Iron Castings!! References: <009c01c5645d$37855bf0$a65bef18@pengy> <429C569E.7040203@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <015701c56653$bebeef30$a65bef18@pengy> If anyone wants to schedule one of the ironcasting workshops for a Saturday in July, August or September please email me. You do not need to bring a pattern with you, I have a few things here that can be molded up such as bookends and 5" high letters and numbers so you can spell your name in iron or make new house numbers. Or if you have an item that you would like to cast please bring it. The workshop would start around 9 am and last the better part of the day. Probably meet somewhere for breakfast then head off to the site. We would start out with an overview of greensand molding, make the molds and discuss the theory behind the operation of a cupola furnace. After lunch we would weigh out the charges, start the cupola and pour the castings. Before the end of the day the casting would be removed from the molds and cooled off to take home with you. You should bring safety glasses, gloves and boots with you and a long sleeve shirt to be worn when pouring castings. The cost would be $200 per person or per family. I would like to keep the class size down to no more then three or four people at a time since more than that we just start tripping over each other! We would be doing this at the Tod Engine Heritage Park so you'll be able to see the Tod Engine while you're there. All proceeds beyond cost of materials will go toward preserving the Tod Engine and expanding the foundry at the heritage park. Email me at rick at todengine.org if you wish to schedule a date. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From rexhinz at chorus.net Tue May 31 20:21:48 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:21:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy up and running Message-ID: <000701c56659$0e7c8050$7686a5d8@mycomputer> Hi all; Finally got the 2-1/2 HP Economy running ! Wow what satisfaction , no wounder all you collectors love the engines , I had to tug at my brain to get the mag trip figered out but after three days of brain cramps I found the trip rod was worn down enough that the engine would not start in the advanced start position , you all know what I'm saying Right? anyway see the engine pics at this link http://client.webshots.com/photo/358308388/358331331fEWAjk Thanks Rex