[SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.

[cam grundy]

While we are on this subject, I drove 1000 klm to the Heyfield National, 
parked my car and after setting up camp  was told by one of these officials 
to shift it in no uncertain manor because I was 6ins over the yellow line 
marker. I think this was a bit over the fence.  Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.


> G'Day Ron and All
>
> With all due respect,
>> I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an
>> accident to the public.
> and
>> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until 
>> they
>> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be
>> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the 
>> NHMA
>
> WHO SAID?,  I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated 
> at the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if 
> there were no fences installed.
> We were told before the rally  if we had problems with insurance talk to 
> him,  he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there 
> was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind 
> "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them 
> as guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety 
> offices will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport 
> wheels was 2 inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on 
> the engine side of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it 
> would be totally 1 metre from fence (other list members were present), 
> this is just crap and the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo 
> safety officers are out of control.
>
> We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and 
> insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if 
> you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that 
> it was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making 
> up its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then 
> my thoughts are correct.
>
> As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the 
> Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should 
> have been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines.
>
> In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained 
> dogs, but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, 
> what bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is 
> next, safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if 
> we had a tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron.
>
> To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with 
> officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the 
> best for the people that run engines at rallies
>
> Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal
>
> While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a 
> good rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 
> km I arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, 
> I made sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, 
> no problem just drove longer ot get there.
> Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back 
> tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come 
> back tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my 
> bloody engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged 
> his shoulders.
> Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " 
> you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car 
> park.
> I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last 
> National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance 
> clubs dish out to us that bring engines
>
> Kerry Morris
> Lithgow Oz
>
>> Hi Curt
>>
>> I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences 
>> was
>> a LAW.  Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have 
>> done
>> in other areas such as occupation and health.  We, private citizens, even 
>> if
>> we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS.  In the case of our
>> Association we have not even made RULES.  As I have stated before that 
>> the
>> Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which 
>> I
>> have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or
>> otherwise.  These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am
>> sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an
>> accident to the public.  The last insurance policy I looked at included
>> reference to the guidelines.  I have not seen the latest policy.
>>
>> In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals 
>> (read
>> dogs).  Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding
>> unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go 
>> a
>> long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners
>> for this purpose.  It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans
>> that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death.  And 
>> the
>> other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings.
>> However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my 
>> dogs
>> can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags.
>>
>> While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented.  I agree
>> with you Reg.  I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing.  Bet 
>> they
>> don't.
>>
>> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until 
>> they
>> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be
>> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the 
>> NHMA.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>
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